Garza Podcast - 144 - UNDEATH: New York Death Metal

Episode Date: September 30, 2024

Garza sits down in-person with New York death metal band UNDEATH. Catch them on tour now! New album "More Insane" drops October 4th. https://linktr.ee/undeathny SPONSORS: https://distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF! UNDEATH is: Alexander Jones - Vocals Kyle Beam - Guitar Jared Welch - Guitar Matt Browning - Drums Tommy Wall - Bass CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Suffering 08:01 - Opeth, Dream Theater & At the Gates 16:56 - Love The Edge, Hate U2 22:00 - Chris Barnes VS Corpsegrinder 24:43 - Satanic Death Metal Stigmas 31:00 - Delta Blues & Robert Johnson 40:28 - Writing Process 49:12 - Coffee & Best Energy Drinks 53:21 - Garza's Favorite Food 59:55 - Fender Strat 1:05:07 - Modern Amps For Death Metal 1:10:10 - Best Beer in New York 1:14:57 - Cell Phone Addiction 1:20:12 - People Dying & Social Media 1:25:50 - Support Death Metal

Undead, thank you for being here. I know you guys, unfortunately, the tour was supposed to start. So is today technically the first day? Yeah, technically it's the first day of the U.S. portion of everything. We just got back from Asia and Australia. So we've already been on the road for like three and a half weeks, something like that. Somewhere on three. Yeah.

I'm up my house on the first. Yeah, I think. So yeah, we've been out for close to a month at this point. Okay. And then we were supposed to start in L.A. two nights ago but Matt our drummer was like really really sick and we had to

cancel two shows so we're gonna get things rolling tonight sucks I'm sorry Matt he's here chone yeah it sucks he would cough into the mic every two seconds he was sitting here fuck dude yeah it was it was like our first time out in Europe and I got mono

oh shit god that sucks and I was like it was kind of a dream because I played a show from front of house, it's kind of sick. Yeah, that is kind of sick. That's pretty cool. It was kind of, I'm like, do you, I should do this again. I've always wanted to sit down on stage. It'd be kind of cool.

Well, unfortunately, if I ever happened, it'll be for a bad reason. That's probably true. Because you probably broke a lick or something, and you don't want to do that. I mean, I've been sick on stage many times, and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. That shows, it sucks. Yeah, how do you have? Because it's like, that's like a part of your, like, instrument. Yeah.

That sucks. How do you push through that? Just major suffering. Suffering? Just suffering through it until it's over and then laying down. Well, you chose the wrong dream, man. We sign up just to suffer. Yeah. You know.

Cool. Can we do a quick intro so people could put voices to names? I'm Tommy. I'm the bassist for Undef. Sick. I'm Jared. I'm the guitarist for Undef. I'm Kyle.

I also play guitar. I'm Alex. I'm Alex. I'm the vocalist. I'm the singer. When you're not sick. Well, even when you are sick. Yeah.

Cool. I mean, I'm always sick. That's true, too. You know what? We're always sick. Kyle, can you pass over the bottle opener? Of course. For those of you listening are watching, it's 11 a.m. something.

So why not? Close it, man. So it was Dozecki's time. Yeah. Cheers to Undeth and to you guys having a very successful tour. Cheers. Cheers. And this also goes out to you, Matt. Hopefully you get better to see you, man.

Love you, Matt. Cheers. To Matt. To Matt. To Matt. We also got John Soundman off camera. We got Zach Merch guy off camera. Cheers, dudes. The whole fam's here.

Squatted up right now. How do you guys all fit in the fucking van? We have to work on that, actually. We get to the venue. But usually it's fine. Is that why you guys don't? I hear you guys talk. You guys don't choose your designated area.

It's always just kind of like a free-for-all. We like to ask each other. Like, it depends on who's about to drive or who's feeling what kind of way or anything, like how tired they are. But generally we have our preferences. Okay. Like Kyle likes to sit in the chill zone. Probably explain where the chill zone is. Yeah.

Just like a big mat on the floor. It's kind of like a kill zone too because there's no seatbelt. But, yeah, I don't know. We also all brush with one big toothbrush. And it helps us get along. All the same time. Yeah. And we sleep in one big bed and we all pull the covers up at the same time.

Well, so hopefully you guys don't share with Matt. We don't have a choice. It's part of the binding contract that you have to sign when he joined this band. Oh, poor guy, man. He's just to be fine. That's cool. Who takes the – I personally call it the most uncomfortable spot. It's the front bench to the far right.

So you can't lay down on the venue. You have to sit up. Anyone take that? Front bench is gone because we took that out to put a big camping mat down. And that's the aforementioned chill zone. So basically, I mean, Max Comfort style, the way that we arrange is driver, somebody in the passenger seat. Somebody will, if it's an overnight drive, we'll probably have two people lying down in the chill zone. It folds out.

Yeah, getting nice and intimate. and then we have one person lying on the, well, I guess there technically is still a front bench because there's three benches, but somebody lying down on that bench, somebody lined down on the middle bench, somebody lying down on the back bench. That's the van arrangement.

Okay, and that sounds smart. See, you guys are smart. Yeah. Yeah. Now, when we had the van, I would purposely, I thought this was the most uncomfortable spot, and it was the front bench as we kept the front bench,

and I would purposely sit on the corner. I just like I just want to suffer a little bit more I don't know it's got like this weird pleasure I took in it it's weird yeah I can't do shotgun in a van it just drives me crazy why because I just it's too much responsibility I like you're something like responsibility I think there's some psychology to it because I'm also in the same deal

but me and him drive and people who sit up front like Kyle and Jared don't tend to but they're great navigators and co-pilots I like to sleep in the front seat. Yeah. So, I mean, like, I can't sleep in the front seat. It's, like, control that I don't have. Like, I'm watching the road come, but I can't do anything about it. So it's like, I'd rather be driving or not look at it at all.

Also, just waking up in the passenger seat, I don't know. Like, when you're doing an overnight drive or at least like a late night drive and you're in the shotgun and you're, like, nodding off. And then you wake up and you just see, like, road barreling at you. Something about that psychologically just freaks me out. Really? Yeah, I don't like waking up, and the first thing I see is just, like, a highway at night.

A highway just like running towards you? Yeah, exactly. I never thought about it that way. Sometimes though it's kind of nice because you look over and you see Tommy or Matt and they're just chilling doing their thing. You know, everything's good. It's like a nice sense of reassurance, safety. Yeah.

That's the temperament of a good copilot. I don't have that. Jared is a legendary shotgun driver for that reason. He's got a good temperament for it. I don't. I'm too erratic. What that sounds like your strength? It's one of them, yeah.

Yeah. Man of many talents. Well, now you part you do it more. I do do it very often. I don't know how much more I could do it. Oh, shoot. When we do the gas station sleeps, Jared tends to be stuck with the front seat,

sleeping straight up and down, just like sitting up the whole night. Yeah, just not really sleeping. Yeah. He's gotten good at sleeping without sleeping. Yeah. Yeah, I was the worst. Like, I would take shotgun and just sleep.

it's like oh they they they got directions i mean we got GPS what more can you do just be a comforting presence like is it like is it like moral support like what or is it making sure that they don't fall asleep like what's the i think it's just moral support it's just nice to have someone next to you personally it's it's drive to drive because like we hate mountains like me and alex for sure and when they're awake helping us out with that that's awesome but if it's like kansas i don't really care who or what is next to me because it's a straight line forever. So that's fine.

A straight road is coming out you. Yeah. It helps to stay awake because that can be hypnotizing. Sometimes on an overnight that isn't hectic, like if I'm doing some driving, I kind of prefer when the person in shotgun is just sleeping because I'm not really feeling chatty. I just kind of want to drive. That's another good thing about me in the passenger seat. Alex is driving.

We don't really talk. Yep. It's true. We just vibe out. Listen to some O-Path. Yep. Chill. Oh, you guys are that band.

Not all of us. There's people that listen to O-Peth and there's people that don't listen to O-Path. That's kind of true, huh? I think so. I think a good band will have a healthy mix, to be honest. Yeah. People that do or don't. And then they'll bring probably equal opposing forces that I think make the music and the camaraderie different.

Yeah, you're definitely not the Opet guy. Oh, I am. Oh, you are. I'm one of them. Oh, I think he else. I don't know who else gets too into it. Can we swear on this? Of course.

I fucking love O'Peth. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah, big time. That was like one of the first bands with like screamed vocals that I ever got into. Really? Yeah, big time. Oh, wow.

Which record? Blackwater Park. For me, it was ghost reveries. I remember when that came out when I was a kid and I was just like, I knew of like dream theater and stuff. And I always heard them. talked in the same, like, realm. Sure. And then I checked out O-Peth when Ghost Reveries came out, and I was like, oh, wait,

Dream Theater is cool because it's like, you know, they're playing difficult stuff. Oh, you guys, okay, I see what this is going. Okay. Well, they can play well. Sure. A lot of it is kind of like, whatever. I don't want to listen to this. I want to, like, study it.

But then I listen to O-Path. It's like, oh, these are songs. I get it. Like, I can actually listen to this and not, like, go into my academic brain and be like, how are they doing this? What do I count? all that shit. Sure.

You know, so O-Peth, you could actually just vibe out on if you wanted to. But you could also do the other bath shit we're like,

oh, how do they play that? How do you count that? All that stuff. Does that explain what that OPEF fans didn't really in mind when he started singing because you're already

vibing out? I feel like some of them did. That was kind of like a thing that made the screamed aspect of O-Peth easier for me to kind of take in when I was a kid because I,

you know, when I was 12, 13, like I didn't understand why anybody would scream in a band. It just kind of seemed silly to me. Really? Yeah. Big time. I mean, I grew up listening to punk and stuff like that first before metal. That kind of came a little bit after.

So all the vocals in the early punk records that I liked were more shouted than anything. And they still had some semblance of melody to them. So it's just a record that was 100% growled vocals all the way through seemed like ridiculous to me. But when my buddy turned me on to OPETH, I mean, The fact that everything was kind of buffered by singing made it much more palatable, which is kind of funny because these days, when I listen to metal, I pretty much never want to hear singing. But back in the day, when I was first getting into it, that was super important.

How old were you? It's probably like 13. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. So it was OPE that opened up your mind. Hey, well, because it's not like it's not all crazy vocals, right? And so maybe it kind of gave you like a, maybe it's planted a seed maybe?

Yeah, definitely. You know? Yeah, we all need those like gateway gateway bands or gateway song. Totally. You know? And then it just fucking sends you off. Oh, yeah.

And then before you know, you're sick in a band. Yeah. That process is pretty gnarly, huh? Yeah. You hear OPEF and you're like, Swedish bands, huh? And then you go to at the gates. That's exactly what I thought. Then you go to at the gates and then you're fucked.

Yeah, I mean, at the gates was not far behind. I mean, Kyle and I kind of share that history with Slaughter of the Soul being like one of our foundational records. True. Yeah, it's funny because I could definitely hear it more on. So your record comes out in actually a few days. Yeah. So more insane. October 4th?

Yes, sir. Cool. Yeah, you guys are doing the waterfall. So I heard two songs. And the first song I heard, because I heard you guys. especially you, Kyle, I heard you talk about at the gates, and I was like, oh, I don't really hear it, which is great.

Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. No, it's not like a direct rip-off, like, thing. Their sound is so specific, like, the, like, you know, kicks in air, kicks and air thrashby. Kicks'nare, Kish, Air. With, like, a 6-8 guitar part over it, you know, like, I don't know. I feel like a lot of bands who say

that are really inspired by At the Gates, don't really even get that really. Like, like, you know, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-na-na-na-na-na. That kind of thing. with like, do cut, do God, do God, do God, do God.

I don't know. I think I don't know how to keep time. That's fine. If it's not 4 or 3 or 4, it's just like my brain is can't like... You're probably feeling it, you know. It's music. It's auditory first anyway.

You're getting into that nerd. Like, I mean, I know probably Matt too to some extent, but like I know me, Jared and Kyle get into that nerdy shit where we do talk about OPETH and Dream Theater. Like Dream Theater I don't think I would enjoy it as a listener. I think I'd enjoy it as a, you know, academic exercise.

to be like, what's going on here? How do I figure that out? I've academically studied OPEC. Kind of, honestly, I'd be like, why is this cool? How does this sound good? And what chord is this that makes it sound this way? And then, you know, decipher it. Well, I'm a little bit confused. Do you actually enjoy the dream theater? Not really. What was the Dream Theater song that was on rock band?

Does anyone remember? I don't remember that one. Interesting. So you listened to it just solely to study it. I mean, when I was a kid, I don't listen to it at all anymore, to be honest. Interesting. I never heard someone say. that before. Yeah, I mean, like, there's

styles of music that personally, I don't know about anyone else, but I feel like if you're like if you're really into like shredding at some point, you've done this, you've found music that you only like academically. You don't really listen to it to like enjoy how it makes you feel.

Interesting. Yeah. I mean, this is a band I actually enjoy how it makes me feel, but I have a friend who's the opposite of me who like doesn't like academic shit at all, but he loves necrophages. I'm like, that's weird me because if you're not a guitarist at all like why do you love necrophages so they got banging tracks they do but it's like so much of it to me was also like how they

could play what they're playing and how clean it is all that cool shit like how I can study it and listen to it but you know there's a lot to unpack you know academically I guess from it so what did she so what was your main takeaway from dream theater oh since you're studying it it's it I'm going to school right now to Oh, I mean, like, from a, yeah, a lot of notes. A lot of notes. From a bass playing wise. Are they really?

I think so. They're from a lot. I think Dream Theater does like the cool thing where, you know, you'll have a guitar part or like a keyboard or vocal part going at some some pace. And then you'll have the drums kind of do various different things underneath that riff. And so just changing the feel of a riff by changing the drum part underneath it. So that's a good lesson to learn from Dream Theater. Yeah. I mean, there's a bunch of that kind of stuff you could find in it. And, like, they have a lot to learn about.

It's just, like, would I listen to it and not think about it like that? I don't think I can, personally. Mm. Any other bands that any of you do that I with now? I'm as curious. Just dumb? What about you guys? I like to listen to music.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like, I get in my modes if we're writing, especially if I'm writing for Undeath, because. it's like I like to try and fit it into like Kyle's the one that started the music aspect of like the riffage of it and then Matt definitely helped glue it together so me being a later edition I don't know about Jared I if I was thinking about writing stuff for it I wanted to kind of match the style make it not sound like it's a separate person when you hear like back to back two different songs I want to kind of like you know what makes Kyle sound like Kyle like all right how do I work that into my stuff and make that sound like there's a thread through the entire album. Yeah, I mean, these guys are

really, like, well-versed in theory and stuff like that, and that's something that I really respect, but for me, yeah, like, I just don't have that same, like, lexicon, I guess, when it comes to thinking about music just because I'm not familiarized with it. So it's cool listening to them talk about it, but for me, I'm, like, a

vibes guy over everything else. I just, I know when a song makes me feel good, And I'd say about 100% of the time undead songs make me feel good. So that's it. I will say the academic listening is probably not a good thing to do because sometimes I stop enjoying music as music and it turns into like, oh, that's scary. Sometimes.

I mean, and then I just peel back and listen to something that has nothing to do with like metal or my job or whatever. You know, listen to like ambient stuff that has no rhyme or reason necessarily. Yeah. It's like a reset. Like a U-2 or something. Yeah, you two could be up there actually, but like it's usually Honestly like uh I only brought up you two because because when you brought up what you were saying

I think the one band I sat down for a while and I listened to you didn't enjoy it was actually you two Not even the hits Not the hits I'm like dude but the headphones the whole night I'm high Yeah listen okay okay that Brian Eno production it's a big band only because I would I don't know I was listening to a lot of interviews with with the edge yeah Fedge Seeing his

Pedal Borio So he's playing I'm like I really love What he's playing So it's him On You too

But I don't like you too And it's weird Because when it's just him Playing the Riff I'm like That's fucking sick And I'm trying to listen To the band

And I just can't I don't enjoy it at all Sure But I'll I'm still listening I still do it Actually I'll listen to records

Or like I think I guess you'd say their first song of mine is a beautiful day. Oh, yeah. And I just don't, I don't like it, but I keep listening to it because I just want to hear the edge play. And that's the only band that I'm...

Not enough slams. Oh, yeah. It's like, where's the slam, dude? Me and my buddy back in Rochester had this game for a while where we were adding swear words to YouTube songs, so it was like beautiful day. It was like, it's a fucking beautiful day. It would have been way better. That would have been great.

It's like some Guns and Roses shit. Sunday, motherfucking bloody Sunday. bitch. I remember there was like a podcast a while back. I mean I like you two just fine. I kind of feel like largely indifferently toward them besides the hits. I mean fucking

still haven't found what I'm looking for and streets of no name. Those are obviously like generational tracks but I just for me when somebody's like oh yeah my all time favorite band is you two I'm just like that's just so bizarre to me like what about you two

speaks to somebody that personally? I just I've never been able to really understand it. Their songs are so, like, universal. I had a roommate who is, you know, a daily YouTube discography listener. Owned, like, all the, like, documentaries and, like, mad live tapes and shit. It was wild. Yeah, YouTube fans are massive YouTube fans. I mean, they're in a...

They just had their last shows at the sphere, so... Yeah. I heard that was incredible. That looked crazy. I can't remember what record it is, but on one of the inside covers, Adam Clayton, the bass player, He's just like spread eagles, dicks out. Really? Yeah, it's wild.

That's a great in-lay concept. Yeah, Matt. Yeah, Matt, write this down, bro. Is he taking notes over there? It's cool. It's cool. All right, so you guys are from New York? Yeah, three out of five of us are.

Tommy's from Virginia, and so was Matt. Okay, cool. You grew up in Rochester. Yeah, more or less. I mean, I lived there for a long time. I grew up where I was born down, state, moved to Rochester when I was like 14, 15, and then lived there until like two years ago.

Okay. Yeah. So I did most of my growing up there for sure. High school? Yeah. Nice. Yeah. I think your most formal years are like high school.

Definitely. Yeah. There's just, there's something about that. Brain plasticity. Yeah. You're like still growing up, but like you're still around people. Yeah. But you're old enough to have a semi-thought.

Yeah. Right? you start finding your own way navigating life type shit yeah take out a massive college loan yeah

oh shit Kyle you uh so so you actually study theory for a couple years correct yeah I went to school for music so to Tommy we actually both went for bass I went for upright bass so

upright bass really why uh well I wanted to go to school to be a music educator and I played bass guitar and I also played French horn but I wasn't really that good of French horn

So I swapped over to Uprate Base To audition for school That is so random Yeah It was cool I miss playing in an orchestra That's a lot of fun But

And the orchestra That is fucking intense No dude it's not intense It's chill It's just like being in a bend Is it on the upright Like a lot of whole notes Just like

Oh yeah A lot of resting Although, and like, you know, the one time in like a 45 minute piece, there's like a section that you need to practice for like 50 hours because it's really hard. Oh my God, I got to fucking barely practice one riff for like an hour. Me too. Yeah, that's kind of why he's not. It's kind of why I don't do it anymore. It's kind of funny because like, because you're a band kind of, you have like these upbringings, but you guys like he, you kind of went the other way.

Like I don't like screaming, but now I'm singing a definite band. you took theory for upright bass and your guys' wrists are surprisingly simple. I listened to the first two back, I'm like, oh, the wrists are surprisingly simple. Yeah. But not at the same time. So that kind of makes sense. There's like something about it that you know. Yeah. So you kind of, you kind of did this, you went a whole other... I mean, I've always been a big death metal fan. Like I was, you know, he was saying like got into slaughter of the soul. But that was like round lime wire days So it's pretty easy to have

You know Cold by at the gates on your iPod And then also like punching stench track That you don't really like And also like some other shit I don't know Me Hooksotomy by Campbell Corps That was an early one

Has like a really long weird intro Uh huh Yeah I don't know It's kind of weird track It's fucking sick though It has a word intro Yeah it's really long First track I'm Butchered right?

Yeah yeah yeah It's like really long droning Like uh Yeah it's cool You know what butcher just on a record, I really gave a lot of, a long listen to, maybe I should revisit. It's a pretty sick one. It's kind of like the most, like, brutal Cannibal Corpse album.

You know? Yeah, I feel like Tomb is where they kind of started to solidify, like, the sound. And then, but But But Butchard is like this weird transitional album between, like, the thrashier elements of Eden Back to Life and the stuff they were going to start doing on the next record. So it's, like, really intense. Like, it kind of sounds just like a brutal death metal record. definitely twisted I mean the fucking lyrics alone oh yeah definitely crazy vocals on it too

yeah Chris was going crazy on that he was going crazy mode for show yeah no one really gives Chris Barnes's flowers for those those lyrics dude it's just a special era oh yeah yeah we were talking with Kyle from a virtual about the same subject

yeah it normally gives him like the credit man he's just something about those lyrics you know yeah they're a little deranged yeah They were getting off pudding. We were somewhere on a tour. I forget where it was,

but somebody was describing the difference between Barnes and Corpsegrinder to us in terms of vibe. And they said, like, Chris Barnes is more evil, but Coors Grinder is more hateful. And I thought that was, like, the best way to describe the difference between those eras of the band. Like, Barnes, especially on stage, just seems fucked up. It's like, eyes were rolled back and shit, and he's singing about, like, what he's singing about. And then... I wonder what he was channeling. fucking Satan, dude, probably.

Channel in the darkness in all of us. Yeah. Upstate New York. You know what? This, it hit my brain right now. Yeah, you could hate something, but it cannot be evil. Yeah. I never really thought about that, ever. Yeah.

Crazy. This was actually one of my questions that I wanted to ask you guys, because people kind of ask you like the same question, so I wanted another way to ask was, you know, like, back then, we were talking about this last record, how, you know, there's, like, Chris Barnes are channeling, like, evil, you know? So there's, there's, like, there's, like, there's, like, there's, like, the satanic stigma of death metal and death metal lyrics.

Is that still around now? I mean, yes, but it's, like, I'll take it as seriously as I would, someone talking about, like, massacring entire populations of human beings. It's like, do you, like, I don't, I don't, I, it takes a lot to convince me that someone is actually about it. and it's not that authenticity is important, but it's just like, yes, it's just another thing to add to the list

that you could talk about. Yeah. Huh. I feel like with the internet, like everyone's seeing so much like fucked up shit online that... Being a Satan is not that scary. Yeah.

That's a kind of point. Imagine that. Yeah. Was it ever really that scary? Probably not. But, you know. You know what? Yeah, that is true.

I remember like, you know, high school, like, oh, you're an atheist or you're a Satanist, and I didn't really care. And I was been being child. That, there is something to do that. Yeah, we're in the metal, though. I don't know.

Interesting. Yeah. To me, I don't know. I feel like the weird. The commitment to like the theater of the lyrics was always more of a black metal thing. And then when I thought about death metal, it was just kind of like everybody was in on the bit almost, you know?

And that was just in my own experience, but never really like took, when I was listening to Chris Barnes sing lyrics about, I mean, you can Google them. But, like, the shit that he was singing about, even when I was a kid, there was never a point where I was like, okay, this dude is actually a necropedophile, right? But back in the day, with, like, black metal and shit, it just seemed like a lot more convincing even though they were, like, Norwegian teenagers. Yeah, it's because they wear makeup. Yeah.

That's scary. And it's, like, more a part of their whole thing than it really ever was for death metal, I feel like. Yeah, I guess. But I also wasn't around in, like, the early 90s, when I was. it was happening so it could be completely wrong there yeah Glenn Benton seems like he was about it too yeah but at the same time it's this like no one's like oh he is the actual devil he's just Glenn Benton he's he's a badass but you know yeah he'll burn an upside down cross into his forehead every now and then it's just Glenn it's just yeah so yeah so you would say it's not like a stigma

anymore i not that i've experienced huh yeah i haven't run into a ban I mean, all the modern guys don't tend to talk about that stuff, like, at all. No. Like, in our circle. I'm sure there definitely are, you know, satanic death metal bands. Oh, sure. But everyone we would bump shoulders with, not really. No.

Huh. What are some, like, satanic death metal bands? First morbid angel record. Okay. Second morbid angel record. So you think they're like, about it. Yeah. I think that they were about a lot of things.

Sick. Being sick in general. Trey was like doing rituals with the Necronomicon and shit with those first two records, like down in the basement of their house. Really? Oh, yeah. He was, he took that shit so seriously. Oh, shit. There's a book called Choosing Death.

Okay. And it's all about like the very early days of death metal. And it touches a lot on like the Florida scene back then and stuff. And there's lots of interviews with Trey in there. And I mean, yeah, he was really like conjuring evil spirits on that shit. He like talks about wanting to summon him. Satan while he's writing the wrist for altars and how he wants to like kill everybody. Yeah.

I didn't know that. It was, it was definitely real for him back then, for sure. You got to get try on the podcast. Oh, I would, I mean, he's one of my,

one of my people I've wanted to, yeah, I'll be sick. Chris Barnes, too. There's like, there's so many things about death and all that, that are really,

they're not out there. Yeah. And it's been around for so long, like the 90s, I mean, hit the 80s. And there's not really, not really anything clear,

you know? Sure. It's just, underground. It's just starting to get documented that book choosing death and I forget what the other one that like Scott Burns did the one that's just like about his production stuff Yeah, more sound and like I mean I guess that's more of like the musical and like the actual sound of death metal That book is awesome yeah Scott Burns has it has a book yeah yeah

About all of the years at Morris Sound there's like every chapter is a different album Are you serious so sick when did that come out? Maybe last year or two years Oh that's recent within the last year. That's what I'm saying like it is starting to be people like documenting yeah like interesting how death metal was

back then so for people that don't know who Scott Burns is he used to do I mean he had 80s right he did like death

all like most of those Sempilturra he was the death metal engineer dejor he did all time I feel like

suffocation yeah he mixed it he mixed it he mixed it that is great to hear he has like something out

you know it's always cool to hear from like a producer sometimes they have like a whole other like perspective on it

you know like imagine like scott's like Chris barn stories yeah I'll be sick to hear I think he probably has him in the book if I recall yeah for sure

damn that'll be fucking tight yeah cool well that sounds like I need to do more a resource on his subject so so Morbanja was straight up like real real shit some blend of Satanism

and general occultism and Lovecraft missing therapy yeah yeah And then I mean there's hatred anger There's modern bands too Well modern they've been around for a while now But like you know the band Titan blood

You ever hear about them? No They're just like a sick kind of like black and death metal band From Spain Yeah But their whole thing is like you know They evoke stuff like that And their imagery at least is very kind of cryptic

And it's very involved in the occult But like whether or not they're actually living by those codes and ethics? Sure. They probably got iPhones. Yeah, they got iPhones. They've eaten the fluea fish before. If you have an iPhone, you're not black metal, dude.

Let's just say it here. You got to commune with the demons somehow. Who was the... You guys made me think of a guitar player. Who is the blues player that sold his soul to the devil? Was it Robert Johnson? I think it was. Yeah.

Or it wasn't muddy waters, right? I think it was Robert Johnson. I think it was Robert Johnson. Yeah. I wonder if there's... It's like some serious truth to that. Oh, yeah, I think so. Like sold to soul to the devil to play those chords.

I think that early, like, Delta Blues shit is like a million times more evil than any metal that's ever existed. It's, like, so fucked up and depraved. It's called Delta Blues? Some of it is. Huh. The stuff that came from the Mississippi Delta, it's Delta Blues. Oh, okay. It's like the 20s?

Yeah. Yeah. The 20s. Imagine writing music in the 20s. Imagine writing music in 1620. Oh my god Imagine writing music I can't

I still can't I have no idea the fuck I'm doing No idea I always say I don't know what I'm doing But I always knew what I wanted I always knew what I didn't want I'm still the same way But I always don't know what I'm doing

It's weird Yeah And the moment I know When I think I know what I'm doing Things don't pan out It's like this strange Oh yeah this is gonna This is gonna do this

And like never does It's so so strange So what the fuck do I know? You know? I don't know. What do we? Yeah. I'm just going to, Tommy, I'm just going to say this, but I should do like a round two.

I don't know why should. Oh, you're talking about another beer? Would that, would that be professional? Yeah. Who cares? I'll have one more. Let's drink beer. It's death metal.

It's not. It is dose. Drinking beer is so death metal. Yeah, it is. It is. Well, I'm scared to walk away because I don't want the conversation to a stop. we'll keep it going are you seriously? Thank you.

Thank you, Zach. We got round two coming. Shout out to Zach. So what's the like what's the story with your band? Like how did you guys like what year to start? Is there like a founder or co-founders?

What's the story? Me and Matt started jamming in summer 2018. We were both just like in other kinds of bands and we wanted to do a metal thing and I'm trying I think my roommate at the time showed me Thank you, Zach

Thanks Zach Last five of the Heineken as well Oh shit So I believe I had I met Matt already But my roommate at the time showed me like an Instagram clip of him playing

Just like double kick drum And I was like oh shit Yeah so I hit him up I should sound like morbid angel Yeah like Honestly, yeah So we just kind of jammed it out And we started writing

and then we met up with Mr. Alex maybe a couple months later of fall 2018. Yeah, I think my first practice with them was like right around Thanksgiving. I think it was on Thanksgiving 2018. May it very well been. That's a good open. Or a bad one.

I don't know what we can. Both they're giving things. Evoking the evil spirit of the pilgrims. That's happy, dude. In an upstate New York, it rings true. Oh, wow.

Yeah. So that's kind of how it started. And then we were like recorded our first. demo and put it on like months a month or two later. February 2019 I think. You guys place to no time. Yeah. So you're Matt or Jam and you'll find

them on IG. Yep. You guys get together a jam for two months. Alas comes in and a month later you have something recorded? Yeah, I think we just kind of hit writing right from the get-go. I think we actually even maybe have had at least three out of the four songs done by the time. I pretty sure.

I remember showing up to the first practice and the first demo was like pretty much done. I think you guys are just like putting finishing touches on certain stuff. We used to play a lot. Yeah. Our practice space was a lot closer than it is now.

Crazy. Yeah. And Alex, you mentioned that you have commitment issues with, with bands. So, so, so what? I did? Yeah.

What did I say that? You don't remember that? You said that. When? I don't know a while ago. A while ago? He doesn't even know. I don't know.

He doesn't even know. Thank you for that, though. These guys are sandbagging me right? So, no, no. It's a fucking set up. No, it's true. So, so what, which I think is also a problem and a fear that some people have when they want to pursue anything, not just music. So what, so what really, how did you face that fear?

Okay, okay, now that's not an issue anymore. Yeah, you know, I think any problems that I had back in the day, before in like the pre-undeath years with band stuff, it was all interpersonal. And I think a lot of that kind of had to do with the fact that, I mean, all of my longest-standing bands before in death were all with people that I had known forever.

And I mean, when you're, at least in my case, anytime I've been in a band with people who are like, my friends for years and years and years beforehand, it comes with a lot of baggage first. A lot, a lot of baggage. You know, and it's like you're still so, at least in my case, like I'm still so young, still doing a lot of growing and being in bands with people that I've already known for like 10 plus

years. It's kind of tough to start to get interested in new stuff and want to branch out a little bit because then your friends kind of see you as like you're a poser or whatever because you're not into like all the same shit that you were when you were really young. Interesting. And I think in the band I was in before on death, you know, I was in a couple, but I really just wanted to be in a straight up metal band and that was that was it for me and I just couldn't pass that that impasse I wanted to just be in like not like a death metal adjacent band or a band with death metal influences like I wanted to just be in a death metal band and I think uh once I started practicing with Kyle and Matt it was everything just kind of clicked pretty much instantaneously you know there was no real

fear that things weren't going to progress in the way that I wanted them to progress musically you know, we, the three of us just got along extremely well from the jump. And yeah, ever since then, it's just been like cruising. It's cruising? Yeah. Cruising being, being friends? Yeah, I mean, at least with undeth, I've never even once entertained the notion in the five plus years that we've been a band that I didn't want to be in this band.

Like, I love being in this band. Wow. So I think those commitment issues that apparently I have, those long in the rear view mirror, at this point. Wow. You guys been going so far forward that you forgot that you said that and had that issue. When did I say that? To be honest,

I don't know the exact date, but yeah, you mentioned it actually twice. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I actually thought I saw a third source too. You guys are fucking with me. No? No. I think I just saw it on Google News or something. Yeah. Well, now this is the third source, or force source now. I mean,

like, cool. I'll tell you this, in my own defense, I've never quit a band before. I've had bands break up because other people have quit, so maybe that says something about me. I'm trying to see if you're asking. It's fine. It's a normal human emotion. It's a normal thing.

I feel like I'm pretty normal. Yeah, I think we're all cool. We're not downstairs in the basement trying to talk to stay in the right fucking death in the right. Maybe we should be, though. I'll tell you one thing too. I mean, the last band I was in before on death was such like a, like, cerebral

experience. Like everybody was just thinking about things so intensely and so like, like, pretentiously all the time. And with Undeath, it was such a fucking relief to like just get in the space and be with people who just wanted to like make music and have fun making music and everything didn't need to be this like philosophical exercise. So that was a, that was a big like early driving force for me in terms of like getting excited about the band. that still carries on to this day. What's a example of like the pretentious stuff? Just so people know what to avoid actually.

I mean like like group lyric writing sessions. You know, like just stuff like that. Let's go do it right now. Can do an acrostic poem together. Yeah, like, and I almost suck, huh? I'm not trying to throw those guys under the bus. They're still my friends, but like they would say the same shit. Like it was ridiculous.

We got so heady about stuff. And I mean, case and point of why this band just works in a way that the other ones didn't. I remember showing up to either the first or second practice, and Kyle and I have been talking on, like, Facebook Messenger or whatever it was. And I was like, do you have lyrics for these songs? Because I was just used to running the lyrics. And he was like, yeah, I'm working on stuff. And I was like, all right. And I wrote all these lyrics just like on the fly in an evening for the first four songs on the demo.

And I brought them to practice. And Kyle was like, oh, no, like, I already have lyrics. like we're good and it was just this huge weight was lifted off my shoulders I don't have to do this anymore I don't have to I don't have to submit lyrics for approval I can just like show up and make music and and have it be like a fun creative social thing that's sick yeah cow what do you uh what do you hear is it like you guys have like the riff and then you guys start jamming it puts their collective input and then like lyrics come to you and what how does that there's a few ways like sometimes you you read a riff

and it sucks well yeah lots of times for sure most of the time no but like kind of I don't know I don't want to sound too nerdy but it just sort of speaks to you in a way I just feel like I know exactly what the rhythm should be and then like the lyrics just kind of come with the vibe of the riff some other times it's like you know maybe you jot down some song titles or some lyrics or something and you're like what would this sound like you know and write something to that but uh I don't know I just feel like the music like the music like you know lets you know what it should be about. It's true. You'll be surprised at them people can't do that or don't do that. Try to try to force a little thing in there. It sounds like you get out of your way, which is hard to do. Yeah. You know, that's tough.

Got to smoke weed. That too. Smoke weed. Oh, wait, I'm just a fucking speck on a rock, dude. Yeah. It's like, what those? I was like, look up. I'm like, dude, yeah.

I like that aspect of weed. We're just kind of keeps you grounded and a little bit humble. humble, you know, it's cool. I still struggle with that. Sometimes, like, the answer is there, like, a riff or, like, then ego kind of comes in and try to tell you where to go. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's weird.

It's such a strange fucking battle, dude. Yeah. Writing music is weird, but also really fun. It's fun and weird. Yeah, fun and weird. Yeah, how did you guys meet, Jared? Well, basically, I went to college at Rochester Institute of Technology, and Syracuse University is nearby.

Okay. So a mutual friend of Kyle's and I kind of put us together. We met at shows and stuff. And then, yeah, Kyle moved to Rochester while I was still at RIT, and we were just hanging out. And I was, like, finishing my degree when the band finished or started. Jerry was actually supposed to be an original member. Really?

Yeah, I was just, you know, I mean, college, it's an investment, you know. You got to respect it to some degree. So I just finished my degree, moved back home, and then move back to Rochester in 2020. Really? Yeah. Huh. So did you end up getting your... Yeah.

Okay. Oh, yeah. Cool. So once you're done, I won't play the NFL now. Well, it's just like, you know, opportunities come into your life, and you've got to make the most of them. Hmm. Yep. Wow.

So you guys were already talking, then you let him... All right, he needs to go to college. Yep. And that's pretty fucking sick. Yeah. Got that in your back pocket, dude. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of the thing, though, like you don't use it, you lose it. You know what I mean?

That's not true. There hasn't lost it. I mean, I've definitely lost a lot of knowledge that I got at college. Yeah. Because I just didn't keep practicing it. We drink a lot of beer. The beer in that vein might not help. Yeah.

But, you know, I have other knowledge besides my degree and I get to use a lot of. in this band so that's awesome true. Cool. Was there like a was there like a was there we were just talking about

my period already but was there any kind of like okay I got my degree now I'm going to just go on tour full time was there any kind of like well I mean I didn't really have too much expectations

as to like the extent of the touring we would do yeah you know I knew we were going to like go out and play shows and stuff but I wasn't thinking like my first legit tour would be like a six week full US tour at like, you know,

800,000 cap venues. I didn't really expect that at all. 800 to a thousand. Yeah. They fucking snuck you to tour routing, dude. I mean, I just wanted to play music with these guys. Yeah, because, you know, that was like 2020. Smackin' COVID, right before our first record had come out too.

So, I mean, we were, you know, still just playing the bars around town. The pipeline for, like, how we actually started touring was so crazy. because I mean yeah like lockdown happened and COVID happened we put out our record right around then in 2020 and up until that point I think we had played like 10 11 shows just like as Kyle and Matt and I as a three piece and then we brought Jared and then and then Tommy into the band in the midst of all that and then I think our first show back with like the full lineup that is right now was uh in 2021 and in Syracuse. at a skate park. Head over to distrokid.com slash VIP slash Garza and save 30% off your membership to get all your songs on all streaming platforms. And now to the heaviest podcast of all time.

So that was like kind of a crazy first show to like debut like the five piece undepath at. And then not long after that, we went on tour with Black Dalai Murder. And like Jared said, that was like a six and a half week tour. And so we kind of went from just playing like little dive part. cars and you know tiny tiny little club shows to playing the fucking Philmore in Minneapolis to

1500 people like it was a big step it was crazy how did you guys do that I thought it went really well there was growing pains I was just thinking about this recently about like mainly like chasing a bus yeah because if we're like it's our first huge tour I'd only did DIY stuff before then where it's like show up at like they say show up at three you show up at six and it's still fine. Whereas if you're showing up first to five or whatever it was, you got to be there at a certain point. So you can't be late.

And some of these drives are like 12 hours. So you're like, all right, well, we have to get there. And none of us know our abilities for like overnighting stuff. We know it now. We've gotten better at, you know, we practice the touring aspect as much as you do the playing aspect. And that was, the growing pains were there. You realize what you're capable of.

what you're not. Definitely. And then you try and work around it and you get better at it, just like being in a band. Yeah, it was a real trial by fire kind of experience,

but I'm very grateful that we got that opportunity to do that because it kind of taught us to run like really early on and that was cool. And now I feel like because we had that level

of touring accessible to us that early, we're like more unfazed by things now as a result. it makes sense you guys didn't waste any time yeah what the fuck my college is fucking in his room it's frying death metal dude is that shit sick that shit's sick so i heard you guys uh you guys uh collab more as far as like riding so as i take it like you like listen to when everyone else has like ideas totally totally cool yeah yeah i mean like when we started it was just you know one string

instrument and drum, so, you know, it's only like one person writing, but now it's definitely more fan collaborative effort for sure. What was the difference from the first two records to the one that's going to come out in a few days? Because it sounds like there is a difference. Sure. Oh, I mean, sonically, like, just the production itself, yeah, huge difference. I mean... Do you guys record in Nashville? Yep, yep. Okay, cool. Yeah, Mark Lewis's house. I'd say probably the main difference. is just the amount of time spent recording it. Yep.

Yeah, totally. Getting their performance is just perfect for, you know, as perfect as we wanted them to, without it sounding like overproduced. Yeah. I mean, we were there for a month, you know. Oh, nice. Yeah, and we've never done anything like that before. I think Lesions, the first record.

It's three days. Yeah, for you and that did. Excuse me? Our first album, Lesions of a different kind, I think. Yeah, it was just a weekend. It was a weekend. Oh, that's what you were surprised by. Really?

Is it a weekend? Yeah. Yeah, it was a long weekend. That sounds like a long weekend. And then I recorded all the vocals for that at my old department, and then we released it. What? What the fuck? And then, I mean, its time was, what, like two weeks?

12 days, I think. Yeah, it was 11 and a 12th day. It was no recording. It was just like, yeah, yeah, chills and shit. Yeah, and then on More Insane, the new one, I mean, we spent like a week on drums alone. 12 days. Yeah. Whoa.

Yeah. A weekend? Yeah. Damn, it sounds sick, though. Hell, yeah. I wasn't there. Oh, my God. It was wild.

I just did, like, the two guitar tracks, you know, and then straight to bass. You must have been dead. The more I think about it every time. That's why we had caffeine or coffee. Those are different times. Man, that, we recorded at the headroom in Philadelphia, both of those first records,

and they got a lot of sick coffee there. So, drinking a fuck love coffee. Damn, see, there's something about coffee, dude. Oh, coffee is, yeah. Change the world. Definitely, dude. When coffee started getting brewed, like, civilization started. Yeah, do you know what?

This is a fact that I keep thinking. I need to figure out, I need to look for more history on coffee. Like, when they find the coffee bean? When they grind it, when they fucking drink that shit? When they start roasting it? Yeah, when? Like, how do you fucking, like, when that happened? I want to, I'm going to take guess. I'm going to say,

1600. 1600. Boasting. Roasting? Roasting and brewing. As a modern coffee as we know it. I guess modern. I was to say like, I feel like the Middle East has been like...

That's what I mean. Yeah. Just walking through the bush, chewing on beans? Back man, like how that it were? Maybe. Oh yeah, you're right. Talked about Columbia and stuff like that. They'd probably just hanging out, chewed on a bean.

Oh, shit, this is like... Damn, this beans is fucking good. Maybe we should dry out. Maybe we should dry it out for a long time. I feel alive. I want to put the shit in the clay oven. Yeah, I got fucking ride our record in the weekend. Yeah.

I'm going to invent death metal. It makes sense. There's one time we were... It's unfortunately, it's illegal here, but it makes a lot of sense. Like, I think it was Columbia. We're walking up at this hill, and you could buy, like, the coca leaves. Oh, yeah. So, so you just...

It's a leaf and you fucking chew it. Just walk. I was like, damn, where should you do this here? It helps with like altitude? Altitude sickness. Yes, because you're right. No, dude, here you can buy Starburst-flavored ghost energy drink.

And it's good for you. Oh, yeah, that's not going to fucking kill you. At all, dude. That's actually a hack for driving when I get, it's bang these days, but it changes time to time. I would down like an entire one. I usually do overnight stuff. So if it's like 2 a.m. to like 6 a.m., I just down one.

And it doesn't give me energy. It's just the searing pain in my stomach. That keeps me awake the entire time. And then when that wears... That might be why we're awake. And then when it wears... Like, I'm just like, creasing over me like, okay, this hurts a lot. And then when it's over, if I have to keep driving, I drink another one, and it happens again.

Just got to irritate your ulcers. Isn't that weird that we do that with energy drinks? We're like, we drink it and we feel the heart pain. Oh, yeah. And we're like, it's working. It's working. It's good. You can identify where your organs are because something starts throbbing.

All right, that's the gall about it. Why do we do that? Okay, you know what? Okay, I'll have, I'm not the one. Why do we do that? We do that because booking agents route tours. Because it's fine. You can go from Lawrence, Kansas to Seattle and one night.

Monkey see monkey do, bro. What's the best energy drink? None of them. Coffee. Red Bull. Red Bull for sure. Sugar free. Red Bull. Yeah. It's true.

Yeah, but if you want real energy, full sugar Red Bull. Yeah. Sugar's awesome. Can't go wrong with a white monster. Sugar might actually be better than coffee, like caffeine, but it's just shorter. Hard-hitting news right here. Sugar might be better than caffeine. Sugar's so safe. Sugars go, dude. For sure. Yeah, but the crash, though, is... Oh, that's what I mean. That's why I don't know if it's

fairly better than caffeine. Is it worth the crash? That's another thing. If you get, like... So true. Seven candy bars and you just, like, every 20 minutes you eat one, It gets you up to 140 minutes or something. You're going to be dead by 1040 for sure. I mean, I'm on tour. Diabetes. Dude, I just want to say, we're like, we're nearing so close to, like, a classic

undeped conversation, which is just talking about yummy food. Sweet treats. That's why, that's what we're hearing, man. Whatever you guys want to talk about, this is your story. Delicious cookies and candy. Okay. So you've been doing this for a while. What is your favorite, not necessarily the best, but your favorite food?

to get anywhere in the world. Yeah, we're turning the tables right now, bro. You're getting an interview. Tour spot. It makes me feel very lucky because I'm born and raised here in Southern California, and I always look forward to coming back home and to get, like, burritos. Nice. My favorite food is, I think, a bean and cheese burrito.

Yeah, that's pretty sick. That's a good one. So the Mexican food around here is just, I mean. So you probably have a list of, like, restaurants, but is there one that stands out, you think, off top of your head if someone said, let me get a bean cheese burrito. You're like, oh, go to here. From here? I mean, like, anyone in the world, but I presume from here.

Again, I'm lucky, dude. So my first job, I was a dishwasher at a Mexican restaurant. Respect, me too. That was my first job, too. Italian restaurant, but yeah. You had to work in a food industry. Absolutely.

I think a diner. It should be, like, mandatory service, like the military. Like, you should have to do, like, two years, like washing dishes and stuff. Totally, dude. I think if you're in a band, you want to be a successful band or business. Half of your team needs to be at some point working in a restaurant. Broken by food service.

This is broken. It's a fucking snap and a half. But yeah, I was, again, I was lucky then. It's called anchos, which is in Riverside. And it's in that area is actually like a very well respected. Like, there's only one. It's probably like top two. And there's, it's a small chain.

It's actually out here too. But it's sorted there. It's brashing out slowly, but it's called Miguelis Jr. One of my favorite bean cheese burritos It's simple fucking I love I would say this like it's

I don't think women would ever understand how simple A man is If you put a fucking guy in a fucking island Give him his favorite food You're kind of set All I need is my bean cheese burrito My yellow pillow And

You're fucking peon in or what? No, it's just like years of sweat accumulation Like kind of Not really, but... Just fucking just... Years of pee, stress pee. Man, talk about your yellow pillows in the comments, bros. Yeah.

Back me up. Oh, is sweat? Is that... Yeah. Oh, you're right. You're right. You're right. You're right.

No, I'm changing. I remember the act that it's like... Yeah, it's like... The white pillows get like stains on them. Yeah. Yeah, sweat. It's just like, it's like... It's like...

It's kind of yellow here, but it's really yellow here. Yeah. It's like a cast iron pan. I've got a too big pillow. It sucks. sucks. It's too big? Yeah, my neck's like

every night, you know? I don't think there's a right way to do it, man. Once you're in the band, you're kind of fucked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, at home. At home. I just have a too big pillow at home, and I just don't do anything about it.

You can change your circumstances, but you just don't. Pillows ain't cheap. I guess that's true. That was like a $50 pillow, and I mean, I play death metal. I don't have good pillow money, but yeah, too big pillow for sure, it sucks. Is that way, is that a,

brand? No. It's just a pillow that's too big for Kyle's small body. Could. Maybe like rip it out some of the shit out of the middle, whatever, you know? Did it kind of happen for fucking gap tape.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I should just have a gap tape pillow. It'd probably be comfortable. Yeah. Gap tape wallet. Just fucking wake up. What's gap tape? Gap tape bong.

Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah, that would be wild. Are you guys smokers? Tokers. Tokers. All of them are. Nice.

What was the first song you put up for this record? Brandish the Blade. Yes. Do you, are you ripping high? Are you riding high? Are you, what's the... Like, you know, sometimes, sometimes not. Okay.

I just riff whenever. 24-7. But I don't know. I mean, that song actually was written probably around the time of Rise from the Grave, like the album, you know, maybe just after we got back. That was like two or three months after we were done. Like you introduced that. Yeah, I think I had like maybe the first riff kicking around for a bit.

But yeah, I don't know. It's been a while since we wrote that one. So it's funny how like to the public it's like new. Oh, yes, exactly, exactly. But you have a song. We were playing that one on tour in 2022. Yes, we were. We have been playing that at every show for two years.

I think for a certain smaller group of, like, undeth, like true undeth fans, they've known about that one for a while. So when we, like, introduce it to everyone else. Interesting. A lot of people, like, not a lot of people. People knew what was coming. Some people.

Okay. Why did you play life? Some people, like, four. Why? We play a lot because it's fucking sick. Yeah, I just kind of liked it. I mean, I also think maybe we thought we were going to record a little sooner. Or like, but, uh, I don't know.

It gets the crowd going. Yeah, it's a totally crowd song. Cool. When you've got new songs that you're excited about, I just, I don't like sitting on them. Like, just take it out on the road and test it. And that way also, when it's time to actually record the song, you know what works and what might need to be tweaked a little bit. Yeah, I mean, it helps everybody. It did kind of come and bite us in the ass a little bit where it was pretty feel-heavy, and that is very difficult to match if you're not recording all at the same time.

Yes. But that's technical jargon. No, it's true. like if you don't get you don't get the fuel of it then you know you could uh you could actually ruin the song yeah oh totally yeah one million tempo marking changes

I mean not really but drag push drag right it's like oh does this part speed up 2bpm I don't know never really done that shit before yeah that's why that's one of the things about the new record yeah went really hard on making sure making sure the feel's right

good yeah you guys are a very feeling base band i noticed it's cool it's i love my feelings yeah feelings rule yeah feelings rule even though i have i have we have a lot of them you said that i can't believe you don't remember you said that this this narrative is so new to me

dude it's fucking okay we'll try it down my problem through life with everything is that i have too much commitment issues oh wow or the opposite of commitment issues i love committing to things well that's great that means you're growing up that That means you're maturing into a nice young man. Did you guys, like, talk about this before? No, dude. You said it.

It's on. We must have just all read the same article or something. Yeah. Yeah, it's three articles. It's crazy. Kyle, you said some. It just ignited a thought. What did you say this time?

Yes. You'd be saying so. So you sold your strat. No, no, I have my strat. But you bought it back. Yeah. Oh, yes, I did. Yeah, I sold it to our friend Jen Bender, and yeah, I was really poor.

I sold a lot of guitars, cool and poor. Same, we've all... Yeah, dude, got to pay the bills. We've all been there. Yeah. So, but yeah, I did buy it back. I love that guitar. Just like a made in Mexico strat, but...

Oh, the best strats. The one that's made in Mexico are sick. They were fucking sick, man. Was, was, uh, did you buy it back for more or less or the same? I honestly can't remember. I might have, maybe like $50 more. Wow. I can't remember, yeah.

Yeah, it's got Floyd Rose on it now. Did you have that one wrapped out? No. It was always that like crypts? Or no, you changed out the pick card. Pickard to black, yep. Yeah, no, it's always how, I think Fender calls it Midnight Wine.

I love that color. It's like a deep metallic red finish. It's sick. Yeah, it's fucking badass. It made me think like, fuck, yeah, because I sold, my first guitar was a Fender's drag, and I sold it. Sad.

And it's one of the dumbest things. Because sometimes you sell things, you're like, fuck. older and it's... But again, like, you're fucking playing breakdowns and fucking blast beats that you got,

you need the cash. So brutal. Oh, yeah, that's... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I sold it, um, how, hopefully,

we're just talking about our first jobs. Uh, our manager's son worked at the restaurant and he needed a guitar, uh, the band was just starting. I was like,

I knew it was more cash. I sold him my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my,

my, my, my, my, I haven't thought about that until, until, until he said it,

I was like, you know what, dude? I'm going to fucking go on Facebook and find my man. You can find this guy. Because, yeah, the manager just retired like a year ago, but I still know his names here. I could probably stock him. I could probably find his name on Facebook and then look at his friends list and see if I could find a son. We got this. We can docks him right now if you want.

I still got yellow pages. You can just find him in the yellow pages and just go there. Show up. Just fucking show up. That's what we did back in the day. Yeah. Give you my guitar. Now, I wonder how many, like, how many, uh, how many, uh, how many, uh,

people you're gonna have to go through to get your guitar. I wonder if he sold it. I think he probably sold it. He sold it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's the fuck. It'd be pretty sick if you found it. That would be fucking dying.

God, I just hope that it's in like a good condition. Like, I've run into something like that, or I've had students do that where they have their uncle's long loss, whatever base. Yeah.

And the neck is just like a you. Dude. But just for like, they haven't touched it since they got it. And they haven't changed the strings for 20 years. It's fine. Not to scary.

I know. I know. The quality of your guitar. If your neck looks like a U, give it a quarter turn. It's part of semen on it and whatever, the strange semen on it is fucked. I mean, that's every guitar, though. Your guitar is probably fucked. It's probably blew it up.

Yeah, that shit's gone, bro. Go through all the stages of grief right now. It's 50-50, who knows? But it's funny, I haven't thought about it in a long time until I heard you tell a story. I'm like, oh, shit, you. Man, I should fucking stalk that guy. Jen. Thanks Jen for selling it back to me. Appreciate you. It's cool. Yeah.

I sold my first two guitars. My second one was I've been a six string, and that was a friend from my high school, and I was till I was talking, and then, like, eventually he's like, you didn't want to do it here. And gave it back to me. No way, gave it back? What a cool fucking guy, man. That's a homie. Yeah, I was like, yeah, that's fucking badass, dude.

Yeah. God dang. I sold off all my old on-death guitars lately. I sold off my two BC riches and my Jackson Warrier. The Jackson one broke my heart. See that one go? But that's okay. They come and go. Come and go. Maybe come back.

Maybe come back, you know. Yeah. Are they in Rochester? That's like Dimebag, right? Didn't Dimebag have a guitar that he lost or something and then it came back to him? Isn't that a thing? Are you thinking of Billy Corgan? Because that happened to Billy Corgan.

I feel like that happens a lot, though. Yeah. Just like someone sells it. If you have more than 10 guitars, it'll probably happen to you. Yeah. True. Yeah. Jared, you're still playing the Ekeptons?

Oh, no. I'm on the Donable tip right now. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I got a narwhal, sick narwhal, sick strings, rocking. What's the DE? It's rocking. It's a Cyclops, I believe.

Those are so sick. I fucking love that body. Nice. Yeah, Donable is awesome. I think we just did a commercial with them. It's like for their new DE line. DE, okay. And so it's like a pun on like E-Harmony.

Why are you laughing? Because Kyle does an amazing job. Okay. He's wasting his talents and undeath. He was an actor. That was because I was sucking at acting And I was frustrated See, that's real, it's wrong

Yeah, that's a method acting Cool Yeah, but the Donable DE Shouts out Sick Shouts out They're over in Germany right now At some guitar show

I believe they're about to unveil a new model tomorrow So I saw that I'm kind of, I'm really stoked for that actually Nice You guys still playing the 50D PV was it 3120s? Yes sir

Sick Got three of them with us right now. I'd love to get a fourth one. But yeah. Yeah. They're cool amps. Is that a, is that like a thing right now with the, like the definal scene? Like, is it, or it's just like, that's just your band in that, in that amp? Honestly, I wanted to get 6505s like five years ago.

And there weren't any available, but there was two of those. So I spent some COVID money on that. And, uh, I think they sound awesome. I kind of prefer how they sound it, 65.5. So, you know. So you come on accident? Kind of. Yeah.

They're the triple X circuit that's just repackaged. Yeah, it's literally just a triple X without the, like, gaudy-ass fucking stripper plate on the front. That plate sucked. Yeah, it kind of sucks, yeah. It's a vibe that is not on death. Yeah. Comes with, like, EL34s instead of 6L6s, which, you know, I don't know. People say tubes change the sound a lot.

Maybe they do for, like, clean guitar, but... Now when you drink it into the voice. Interesting, because... So you got an accident pretty much, but it just fits your band. Yeah, man. I really like it. I mean, I feel like, you know, you can get kind of the sound you want to get out of most amps. You know, it's going to be a little different, of course, but, but, uh, especially with, like,

same overdrive pedal in the front and shit like that. Because I used to play Laney Ironheart. Really did not like that amp, actually. But, uh, still, I feel like I could get similar sound out of both, but, yeah. Tone is in the hands. That's true. I mean, definitely hand tone is real. Yeah.

Do as fuck. It's, it's very serious. Especially when you're going the, uh, your passive route. It's just, man, if I'm sucking, it's sucking, it's sucking. Oh, yeah. It's not good. But if it's good, oh, I'm fucking killing it.

It's not like middle ground. That's just performing. True. Yeah, I think at the end of the day, also playing live, it's like, you can put whatever distortion box behind you. And it's like, if they know the song, they're going to enjoy it, if they don't know it, they're going to listen to it and maybe they'll like it. And in the record, like, recording it, that's where I think the 3120 was a big sound.

And what are they called the pedals that Jeremy made? Yeah, our boy Jeremy at Heretic Effects. Bone remover, that's the one. The bone remover, the overdrive. Sick pedal. That one in front of 3120 has that, like, loose but tight sound, if that makes sense. A bone remover? It's the name of the pedal.

Loose but tight. Basically, just a max and ST9 Pro Plus copy. Okay. But I believe it's got a little more volume on the volume knob. It's got like some clipping, clipping selection too. A little diode selector. Yeah.

Yeah, sick pedal. I really love that one. That's cool. Okay. Sick overdrive. It's fucking nasty. That's pretty much the record, though, if you think about it.

Like the tone, at least. Yeah, 312 and a boost. Do you guys use that on your first record? No. First record was J-CM-800. And I think I used a max in 808 in front of it. Yeah. You guys want to see?

Super old school. Yeah, it was a sick. That was a sick sounding 800, too. I don't remember, you know, there's like a lot of different series or whatever. I'm not really an 800 head, but that one was particularly sick. Yeah, sometimes you just get that special one. Yeah, it's like enough gain, you know. It's all too, 2003 or 2204.

Yeah. If you want to be nerdy about it. Yeah, that's what I mean, yeah. Yeah, when we were just in Japan, first show, we played in Tokyo at a little club called the Wall. And it was like literally straight out of the 80s. like non-l-D lights there was like 800 and 900 on stage it was ripping it was dope dude sick they were cooking us alive oh yeah the lights were fucking brutal that was nuts well man if you have rental gear and it sounds good yeah that's you got oh yeah yeah yeah

yeah yeah the sound was great i loved it yeah i don't think i don't think that double's doing that for you guys i think that's uh we need we get rental gear man fogg is sick oh yeah it is dude i mean all the clubs over there just had like sick back line as you know when we showed up i have like drums and cabs and heads and shit, you know. Yeah, it was wild. Yeah, and then we, like, go to Australia, and first show was, like, 40 stairs, carry the base cab up it.

Big shock. Yeah. Yeah, that's when your karma, this will catch up to you. Oh, yeah. You know, this will fucking, fuck you, dude. That's okay. I mean, we carry shit all the time. That was the first one of the tour, though.

So it was like, oh, yeah, we're on tour. Fuck. No, it's the second one. Yeah, it was the second one. one that's right. No, it was the first time we had to actually carry shit up the stairs. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because the other one, there was like a ramp in the one in Perth, which was great. Yeah.

But we had to carry up the stairs and I, this, it just annoyed, it pissed me off so much is that there was just like, the sides of the staircase were lined with like boxes of beer. So when you're carrying anything, you're bumping your knuckles into it the whole time. I got the word. Just tearing your hands open. Of course. Carrying like all these heavy ass equipment, all the rentals. Yeah. Of course. You guys got me going A beer I need to try is Valentine's

Never tried Valentine's Never heard of it Yeah, either Valentine's? Yeah What is that? You talked about it

Stop Am I saying it wrong? Don't do this bit No, it's not a pit Is it Valentine? Oh, Valentin Oh, Valentine's Okay

Valentine, Valentine Well, that's like a malt liquor, right? No, no, Valentin is a Oh, it's a beer It's a beer, yeah It was a, see, you got me on my toes now. I mean, unless breeding it is a bit, I don't know. No, Balding is a real beer.

It's a, it's a beer that Paps brewed back in the day, and it was kind of like their first attempt at making like a craft beer. And it was the, they were like a principal sponsor of the Yankees for decades. And like on radio broadcast, it would be like the New York Yankees brought to you by Ballanty or Ballantyne, however you pronounce it. See, you mean fucking know, dude Yeah, gosh That shit is good

It's good Yeah This isn't the malt liquor? No Okay Is this like a Like a New York state thing? No

Well, it used to be Everywhere But now I think One of the only Places you can get it Is that this bar In Manhattan Called the Old Town Bar

Uh Isn't that where your parents Used to have dates? Yeah Right It is Crazy It's where you still have

You have a place That you could go to Yeah It's like that That place is great Dude It's like The bar

That Time forgot It's just like, I remember they had like a no cell phone policy until like three years ago. Are you serious? That's a fucking sick policy. And like the owner there, I mean, like he's always there. He would just walk around and when he saw people on their phones, he would just tell him to turn him off or get out. Wow. It was like real commitment to the old guard kind of shit.

How many people can you fit in there? It's a decent size space. I mean, I probably couldn't give you a figure, but it's not time. It's a decent size bar. It's got like a nice long, huge bar that runs the length of the whole space. Interesting. Yeah, Ballantian is, that's the only place in the world I've ever seen it. I don't know how many other places are still selling it or like how easy it is to get.

But you can get it there and it's like three bucks. That's a great price. If this isn't what I think it is, this is the first time I'm hearing about it. So I got to check it out. Yeah, it's good. I mean, it just tastes like PAPS, but like better. You know, it's just, it's not like a mind-blown. beer, but it's like a nice little time capsule.

Time capsule, probably like worth having. Yeah, definitely. You're not going to get it anywhere else. Well, maybe like a couple places, but they also used to make Coke, like Coca-Cola, not cocaine. They used to like make Coke the old way, which is like with like the soda water and the syrup and they would stir it as they poured it. Oh, wow.

I don't think they're doing that anymore. I think that was too much commitment, but they used to for a long time. Holy crap. It's like a top three bar in the world for me. It's just it's the best the vibe is always so good So probably when you're playing like Irving Plaza You're probably you're probably gonna go there Exactly it's literally like three blocks from Irving Plaza

Is it really? Yeah Fuck I gotta go I'm an idiot I'm gonna hold foods across the street Oh fucking loser No you gotta go to the bar man You gotta drink beer dude Stop eating healthy

Stop eating salmon bro You do you don't need to eat there's beer over there So it's either They got hot dogs So it's either a Ballotines or Ballantines? I think my gut tells me it's Valentine.

But, uh... So I wasn't too far off. No. You had me all fucked up. I was like, what are you talking about? You made me seem like I was an idiot. Am I seen this fucking that, dude?

Holy shit. It's right by Irving Plaza? What the fuck? Yeah. Cool ass bar. I didn't, in the last moment's there. I was walking down.

The sidewalk and someone, you know how like they, uh, there's like, uh, houses that have like stoops. People hang out on the stoops. I was walking by someone. It's like,

cut your hair dude I'm in New York I'm gonna say shit back yeah yeah I'm not it's like he's fucking fucking beat me up dude I know what he looks like and why I know what it looks like

I'm gonna keep walking straight I'm good at a park and then barn he just drank like 10 bad and that part of time he did cut your hair that part of time you might be alright

in that part of town yeah is that is that block like all right yeah yeah you're fine yeah that's like kind of a very upscale part of New York

for sure okay yeah you know when you're not you know from new york and you're there like what do we even walk dude i mean in manhattan like at least around there you're good pretty much anywhere at all times when you hit 120 something maybe start to think yeah yeah you're not gonna be there for anything no yeah oh sick okay cool that's such a great rule not not having cell phones yeah yeah it's it's a recent rule i love that rule i wish more places uh yeah maybe we could i don't know, start doing something like that on the tour. Yeah, dude, no cell phone tour? I think that's...

We have, like, jokes. You mean for the show show? Yeah, and in the van, too. Oh, in the van. No phones. Are you fucking insane? We set challenges for ourselves that we talk about, but rarely ever do. And the recent one was goatee tour, where we were all going to...

We're actually supposed to be doing that right now. Well, we were a little dismayed by everything. We showed up to start this tour and everything was chaotic. but we were going to shave our beards into goatees for the remainder of this tour. Okay. Yeah, so I mean, I'm still down if you guys are. I don't know if I'm feeling the 2002 spirit. You guys are kind of committed.

No goatee tour and no cell phone. The next tour was going to be no eyebrows tour. Yeah. Dude, I have a pet peeve. When you're like hanging out with like a friend, I'll call him out. Like Ernie does this a lot, a drummer. you're having a beer or wings where up pizza and if someone whips out their phone i get fucking i do get livid wow i do i i hold it inside so i'll i'll express it kind

Kyle's sick so i'm like and i'll ask him what are you doing oh i just check in my Instagram real quick i'm like why yeah you got to hit him with a oh am i boring you yeah just like we're hanging it's like we're having an in-person conversation and then like was okay if you're having a conversation with somebody. This goes for anybody listen to watching. I'm pissed already.

I'm going to feel the emotions. Let it out, bro. If you're mid conversation and it stops for like a second and he's pulled out your phone, it's like, dude. Don't do that. I fucking, dude, I legit

like hate it. It's called an addiction. It's a straight, like, okay, first of all, like, we're having a conversation. It's going to pause a little bit maybe, but you don't go whip out your phone, go on Instagram where no one, there's nothing there. Need blue light, bro.

I'm fading. But my stories, bro. My stories. It's like you could go on your phone any time of the day. And as humans, we crave, like, human company and time and emotion and conversation. And, like, we're doing it. And plus, like, you know, like, you get older. You know, I'm 38.

And it's like, if you're going out with somebody, you're going out with somebody. Yeah. This is like this is your time to have a conversation and go out have a friend time or or dates And also money spent Yeah money spent on on on on on the food even if it's just pizza that's money Harder money spent like this did this should be quality time so we're doing the quality time You got out of your house holy shit you're out and about and then you whip out your phone like a fucking piece of shit Ernie's out of the band now

It's all in rat with right now A piece of shit. No, it's not... So the fact that that bar in Manhattan is having that rule, I think it's super sick. Well, they don't have it anymore. Yeah, they're still in the...

No! But they held out for... You're fighting a losing battle. I mean, they held out for a long-ass time. I mean, it really was, like, just a couple of years ago that they finally had to just succumb to the masses because there was just too many people.

Yeah. But... Fuck. He really was serious about that. I mean, he's there every day, and he was always telling people to just put their phones away. Or they could leave.

and what do you think people just leave yeah in Manhattan yeah it's like yeah it's like yeah it's like what like what uh like what choice am I gonna make am I gonna have fun or am I gonna rather be

you're gonna cause a scene be a dickhead on my phone it's so unfortunate man I mean there's there's always pros and cons to like this like the phone and there's always pros and cons do you think being

as like touring as much as you have in your entire life that you kind of value that kind of what I want an interaction when you get a chance to have it. Huge. For me, dude, I am very moment to moment. I'm not very good at texting people, but if I see them out at a show, literally, like, I unload myself. Like, I'm in a moment. I'm present.

So you make, like, this is very quality time with just being in person or hanging out. So I'm very... Yeah. Our time together is so short. Yeah, you know. Like, we met this dude Mooks from hostile records out in Singapore.

And I think ever since on death had started, he'd been a huge supporter of the band. Yeah, wow. Came out to the show. It was just really, like, awesome to see him. So he's from Kuala Lumpur

and he went to Singapore for that. Yeah. It's like six hours? Like a nine-hour trainer. Yeah. And I was just talking to him on Instagram after the show, and it was like, man,

it was so nice to see you. And he's like, yeah, dude, our time together is so, short. I'm glad we made the most of it and that we met each other in real life. Yeah, and then I whipped out my phone.

Yeah, anyway, I gotta go on X.com, the everything app. Oh, no. What does Grock have to say about this? Let me grok this real quick. Oh, no. Yes, true, man. There's a cliche I've been talking about pretty often. You know, in your

30s, people started dying. I had had literally three friends passed away to past two months. It's just like, man, he's You just don't know when like you're hanging out with this person. Yeah. And then that was your last interaction with them. Yeah. And for me to, it could be anything.

It could be as simple like coffee. We're out at a show getting drunk as fuck. It's having that quality of time because you don't know. We don't know if this is going to be my last interaction with them. So I do try to like have my last interaction with people. Sure. You know, I try. It would be a shame about I was on my phone at the day.

dinner table and then we'll fucking and then they're fucking dead. Yeah. It's hard to separate I think because like living in the van what we do it at least is just you know you have eight hours to kill and if you're not driving you're not you don't have to be present for

really anything. So you plug in but then when you get home like I get to her brain like crazy it's just like all right I'm sleeping for three hours I'd wake up you know at like the drop of a hat something fell down in my room I'm up and I'm up for rest of the day type of thing.

So you have to kind of change your tour brain. And that involves, you know, the phone, you know, like, you're on it all the time in the van, because you have nothing else to do. So, like, I make, I make a point to, like, all right, let me meet up with my friends here. Let me do my best to not look at my phone when I'm doing it. And let me make sure if something comes, like, nothing's going to come up to interrupt that, you know, date, whatever you want to call it, or like hangout session, whatever it is. You know, because that time is important, too.

Like we're on the road a lot and you start to miss people. Yeah. I also like just to what you're saying, I try to, one of the main reasons why I'm trying to like limit my social media time lately is just I don't like when my perceptions of people that I know are mostly based around what I see them post online. Yeah. Interesting. You know, especially when it's like people that I knew before I knew their social media presence and people that I, you know, like I meet so many people. being on the road and you know you meet them in person like I like being

around them and then you get to see like their online personality and it's like this totally fabricated like fake thing and it really colors your perception of them and it makes me like think all these things about them that probably aren't really true you know so I try to just like people that I like and that I meet on tour

I just don't really want to follow them on Instagram or anything like that unless they follow you back unless they follow you back as a courtesy but like yeah it's just like my thing with friendship and companionship in any of those things is like, like, I'll see you when I see you, bro.

And like, we'll hang out then. And, like, we'll get in touch and whatever. But, like, I don't, I don't want my perception of you to be colored by these things that, like, don't exist, you know? Yeah, because what is, uh, two things real, real quick. Like, what is, like,

what is following someone on social media really mean? Right? It's tough because I did, I did, I did like the, I think a lot of people do it at some point in their, in our lives, like early 30s, I, you know, I unfollowed everybody. It's like, one person. I think it was like the band or something.

Yeah. And some people, I'm not saying I'm cool or anything, but like, some people got offended. It was, for, for, for, for, for you to unfollow someone, it was like, oh, shit, you know, it's, I think it's for the people that are like, it shouldn't matter, though. Yeah, like, the people that you consider, like,

acquaintances, they'll be like, this is our only connection. Yeah. It's not like your best friend or, like, group of friends back home. Mm-hmm. It's not some stranger that you've never, that's, like, fan of yours that you, Mercy, gave him like a followback or something like that.

Sure. So it's like, if you unfollow some people that you barely talk to or have, like, met twice ever, they're like, going to P. Didn't announce? Did it? Try to do it. Stink out of here, dude. Jared was going

pee-pee. That's true. Solidarity with Jared. But, um, yeah. Like, so I, like, I've had people, I had my social media erase, like, hacked and then deleted. once.

And when I got it back to get, I got it back and I haven't used it the same since. But like, I had people come up and say, hey man, I'm sorry if I did anything to offend you. I was like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, dude, like, I know I'll see you tomorrow.

Yeah, exactly. Don't tell me the shit. It's just sucks. It's a thing. It just sucks, man. Social media is to sell things. Yes. Clarified advertisement platform.

Yeah, so if you're following us on social media, go by. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go check out to the new podcast. I feel like Post about it Garza podcast Off top of my head

I feel like Garza podcast And undeath and why Are probably the only accounts Worth following Honestly yeah That's where you get your Content Your news

Yeah like if you want You want the real Death Mental And the real fucking shit Dude You follow only these three things And then tell your friends Yeah I mean

Like all that All that shit is just Brain poison Dude it's Yeah it's I learned age man I got to compartmentalize You know

moments and things. Yep. You know, there is, there is time for, for the phones. I won't be a total debbie downer,

but also in the same time, fuck everybody. It's good to be skeptical. It's good, is there anything that, this is, your time, I know you guys

got at a fucking good advantage of sound check. I mean, anything on, on your mind that, uh, that,

that, that, that, that, that, that, that, keep supporting death metal.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right. Riffs. Play, RIFs, live riffs. Everybody out there just be good to each other.

Stay safe. Yeah, stop hang out with your friends and not be on the phone. Yeah. Too much with the phone. Listen to some fucking morbid angel, man. That shit's evil. Yeah. Listen to some music pre-20th century. Yes.

Pre-20th century. Is there a certain era, you think? A certain era of music they should listen to? Yeah. Uh, not really. Maybe like, maybe like, uh, 19th century to late 18th century.

Some Ravels, some Mozart. Yeah. What are the years? 1800 to, uh, wait, wait, when is your new record drop? What are you going? Yeah. So, so 1800 to 224. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You got about 224 years of music listening to do before you can enjoy the new record. Dude, you're fucked. I'm fucking pushing your record It's probably the most I ever pushed a record on the podcast Thank you Chris Listen to our record

Okay Make sure you listen to the record This era Yeah Everything else sucks Yeah From the future From right now

There's Mozart And then there's Undeth More Insane At October 4th Dude that's I mean They're both heavy When did Mozart come out

Yeah when did Mozart come out? Yeah when did Mozart drop 17 85 You read the book man You got a number Yeah, so 17, 1780s? Yeah.

Wow. Latter, later 18th century, yeah. He died young as hell, too. Did he? How old? 30, 33, 5? Something like that. Kyle?

You read the book. Yeah. I saw you do it. I want to say it's like, I saw you do it, you fuck. Yeah, I do want to, I think it was like 34. I think you might be right, Tom. Yeah.

In a palper's grave. Fuck, that's so young. That sucks. a musical genius. He was like a little sickly dude. You know? He loved to party. Yeah, that's kind of true.

Of course. Yeah. He's just a little guy. Yeah, he was always sick and shit. Killed him eventually. How tall was he? Like 7, 8, I think. No, he was like, I don't know, 5'4. He's pretty small.

Like, he looked a little weird. I mean, I'm just, you know. His mom's hard. It was like Yao Ming height. That would be absurd. I don't think anything. one was that tall back then. They would probably

kill him. Yeah, probably kill them. They'd probably kill them. Harvest and like eat their bones to be like, we'll get this tall next time. Dude, back in the day. Jerry, we're just having some closing thoughts. Anything you want to add or

anything that we might have missed? Well, it was a pleasure to be here today. Check out more insane on October 4th. There's going to be another video that comes out with it. I hope everyone enjoys it. Yeah, that's pretty much it for me. So check out Mozart and Moran Stain that drops October 4th. Yep.

Yep. Cool. And you guys also check them out on tour. Literally the tour just started today. Yeah. We're touring all over America until October 27th. So get a ticket, come out, support your boys. All the states.

All of them. All of them. Most. Maybe 40% of that. We're going to Hawaii. Oh, yeah. Well, Undead, thank you for a time. Thank you.

Thanks for having us. It's awesome, man. It's a pleasure. Thank you. All right, everyone, that's it. Later.