Garza Podcast - 152 - CRYPTA: Death Metal, Brazil, Tornadoes & Being Vegan On Tour

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

Garza sits down in-person with Fernanda Lira & Luana Dametto from Brazilian death metal band CRYPTA. https://linktr.ee/cryptaofficial SPONSORS:https://distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF! CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Surviving Tornado Disaster in Illinois 22:15 - Selfie-Related Deaths 23:59 - Starting Crypta After Leaving Nervosa 30:54 - How Luana Started Playing Drums 35:28 - How Long Since They Have Been Home 36:43 - Local Spots in Tapejara, Brazil 38:31 - Being Sober 39:53 - Being Competitive VS Driven 44:28 - Writing Process w/ International Members 48:38 - Announcing Crypta Immediately After Leaving Nervosa 50:24 - Liking Beyonce As A Metalhead 57:42 - Why Metal Has Always Thrived 59:29 - Coming Up With Cool Merch Ideas 1:02:48 - Trusting Each Other w/ Responsibilities 1:03:43 - Disagreements & Compromise 1:06:40 - When Artistic Ideas Don’t Meet Expectations 1:09:37 - Creating the Sound of Crypta 1:17:07 - Vegan Lifestyle on Tour 1:23:19 - Touring w/ Hatebreed, Taking Break to Write New Album

Well, Crypta, thank you for being here. Thank you for making time. We got Fernando and Luanda. Thank you for ripping. Our pleasure. Like, we always see some of our favorite bands here and friends coming to the podcast. We couldn't wait to be here. So it's really a pleasure.

Thank you so much. Oh, sick. Cool. You guys did that morbid angel tour, right? Yes. What happened with that tornado? Classic question. Yeah, that was probably the most intense thing we've ever had to go through on tour

and we've been doing this for quite a while. Yeah. But like, we're from Brazil. We don't get tornadoes there. Yeah. And I think the last thing we thought we would ever go through would be a tornado hitting the venue we're playing. Like that is something we would never expect, you know? And actually, to be honest, on that day,

when we were there, no one actually believed that was going to happen. Because, like, I remember we was getting, we were getting, uh, we got the tornado warning on our phones, like 10 minutes before the tornado actually hit the venue. And I remember I was like, it's not enough time. Yeah. 10 minutes? Yeah. It was crazy.

And like, I was, I've always been, since I watched that movie Twister, I've always been so scared of tornadoes. And then like, when we got that tornado warning, we were. like, okay, I remember asking the security guy at the venue. It was like, what are the odds this actually happens? It was like, now we get tornadoes every time. We're going to be alright. And then we went outside to grab their stuff.

Luana almost didn't make and choose to probably tell you about this. And then we were back inside and everyone was like, go to the basement. Go to the basement. And we thought it was like normal, regular procedure for this kind of situation. show we just went to the basement and in seconds last thing i remember was like me and luana hugging each other and like lights were out you know like the dust coming from the ceiling and i was like man i think this is really happening there was like this big noise uh happening and we started hearing like people screaming and and then we found out actually the roof collapsed uh on the fence uh 10

minutes before after we played 10 minutes after we got the tornado warning and it was just horrible at the time we we shared very little about this because we were really focused on you know like fundraising because we lost our RV for the tornado and but there are really some gruesome details that that although I think we coped really well with the whole situation there are memories that just stick with you, you know? Like, for instance, like, fans covered in blood getting to the basement and, like, you know, like, it was, the whole thing was a horrible thing. Like, us thinking that we could have died, a fan died. That's, that's the thing that. Someone did die there. Yeah. Like, the, the, you know, like, coping with the trauma and, like, the anxiety about, like,

getting on the stage after that was tough, but I think the worst part for me was actually getting reminded all the time that a person lost their life and our set. Like when you're out there and playing, that's the last thing you expect is going to happen, that someone is going to a show to have fun, and then he dies, they die, you know?

Like, it was, that was the thing. And I'm always when I'm on stage, I'm always like making sure I look at everyone's faces like I like that you know like look look at your fans in the eyes from the stage and then I remember everyone who was there and I was like which of them is the one who died you know like so I I kept that thing on my mind it was it was horrible it was it was horrible yeah because crypto already played so like you like imagine like like you saw them and they were alive at one moment and then the next no no one

knew exactly it was horrible also I think we coped better with the tornado than some of the people that were on tour because we stayed in the basement. We didn't have much to do when the tornado hit and the roof fell on everyone. So we stayed in the basement, but many of the guys who could help went upstairs to help people

and they really saw things that we didn't see and experienced things we didn't. Like they were trying to like walk through the parts that fell from the roof, the ceiling. And unfortunately, you know, found people who aren't there, the pieces of, of the roof and saw things that we didn't.

So I think many of the guys from the crew, many maybe didn't cope as well because they saw a lot of things that we didn't. Gladly we didn't, but yeah, I remember still about the details and what other people on the tour saw. Like I remember our tour manager at the time. He was the one who first saw that we had lost our RV. And he was doing merch also.

And then the moment he was there, I was like, he was like, yeah, we lost the RV and we didn't even know like what to think. Like, what do you mean? It was like, yeah, we lost our RV. And then like there was this thing like everyone helping trying to helping the fans upstairs. And then I remember our tour manager saying like, I think I think I saw a guy and I think he was dead. And he was the only guy, the only person who had bought a, we were first banned out of four. And this guy, Fred Livingston Jr., never forgetting his name, he was the only one who got to our merch booth before the show and actually bought a t-shirt.

He was like, yeah, I want to buy a t-shirt before the show because I want to support the girls and everything. And then our tour manager said that when he was found, he still had the crypto shirt there. So, you know, like this is the kind of details that you just don't forget. It actually, it's so weird. Like I see, you know, like you're playing clips of the interviews and everything. It is the first time I ever see this. It feels weird to me to be looking at it. It feels unreal that that thing there, that normal show there,

became like the disaster that you find pictures of later in like about, what, 10 minutes? That fucking regular show, it went down to like whatever thing we saw from the disaster. So it's like, you know, quite a change of scenarios really quick, let's just see. Yeah. And it's at least for me, but I think it applies to everyone who was there. It still feels surreal that we've been through something like that. I look at it at those clips and everything and I feel like some sort of distance because it feels like I can't believe we survived it. Because it was horrible.

I can't believe like this was exactly, you know, like we're seeing this. ceiling and and it feels surreal like it's still hard to believe we went through that and we survived to that and what helps me cope and understand it we actually went through this is sometimes talking to fans who were there and survived there's this fan Michelle and she's good friends with with me nowadays and and she was there and she survived the disaster but she broke her spine she broke 10 ribs she broke both arms both legs her lower back literally exploded and she's alive and and like seeing her you know like thriving going to her shows and

everything that's makes me remember like wow that that was real she was there too so we actually lived this so yeah there's there's all these crazy details like i remember it was like we were supposed to play a show after this show. And of course it was postponed because our instruments were all inside because the building was condemned. So we weren't able to. We actually had, you remember that, Lou? We actually had our show clothes on like for the next day.

So it was cold. It was noy the other day. And we still had like I still have like my Lycra clothes, you know. I remember a buddy from Scala Remains actually, he felt sorry because we were. like wearing like you know tank tops and whatever and like gave like a long sleeve and like a pair of his socks and like you know tried to help with whatever clothes he had in his backpack because we didn't have anything for the night so i remember i went to walmart the next day with basically stage clothes i wanted to buy shoes and like uh sweatpants and and hoodies for me for luana for for

the girls and then i went to walmart and everyone was talking about that And I was there and I was like, damn, they actually talking about what we've been through. They're talking about, yeah, there was this band playing right after the band playing. It was like, it was my band that played. It's surreal. And like, we were supposed to play a show right after that. And it got postponed. This happened on a Saturday, I think.

The show was supposed to be on a Sunday. It got postponed to Wednesday. And whoever had tickets, it was in Illinois, in the Chicago area. and whoever had tickets for that show could join this show, this postponed show. So the result is there were many fans who actually were there at the disaster on this new show that was postponed. And most of them were like had, you know, like casts or like they had bruises and they were there. So it was intense. And there was this guy.

There was this guy who was like, hey, I just want to let you know that you guys saved my life. And we were still feeling bad that, you know, like, people were there to watch us and had to go through this. And he was like, yeah, because like back then I would always say like, so yeah, we'll be hanging out by the merch table after the show. So see you there. You know, like go support us or whatever. And then the guy said, like the moment I said that, he went to the merch table. And that because I said that. And that if he wasn't by the merch table, then the.

the roof would have collapsed like on him. So it's insane. It's the first time I'm seeing like pictures of the tornado. It was a big one. I mean, look at that thing. It was a big one. We always.

That's a fucking tornado. We always thought it was a small one. Look at the size of that one. Oh, that explains a lot. That explains a lot. We were talking one of these days about this. We were like I wonder. Wow.

Yeah. We were like, I wonder what was the size of the tornado? Because we didn't see it, of course. So now that's a. A tornado right there. Oh my. That's straight from Twister. That's straight from Twister.

That was my reference and my reference happened. That's a scene from Twister. Wow. I'm actually shocked. We had never seen. Really? Yeah. Videos of that.

I mean, I would imagine it being like traumatic. Like you're not going to exactly do research on what happened. You know, I don't want to see pictures of a fucking tornado ever again. I think we were so focused on like, okay, we got. Finding a new RV probably. Yes. Clotes, New RV. Everything that stayed inside also, like the minor things that no one will think about.

Like, you know, checking if we got all our documents, checking if we didn't forget anything really important. We luckily got it because a friend of ours from revocation was like, you know, everyone, like Fernando mentioned, like we didn't think that it would be so bad. But he was just like, just in case, get your important. items from the RV. And that's why we got the passports and all our money and the electronics and the things we bought the day before we bought a bunch of new like phones and shit. And gladly because the guy was like, you know, just go there and take the important stuff. That's why we got the documents and all.

Otherwise we would be like twice as fucked because we wouldn't have any identification. Yeah. And the RV was pretty much smashed completely. Did the, what should tell the company? Did they understand or did they not care? No, they didn't care. Oh, no. There's a whole different story because they were like, our tour manager talked to the company,

and they were like, yeah, we'll give you a new RV so you can move on, but you'll have to pay for the old one. And it's going to be around 60K. And that's the information I went abat with on that day. It was like there was a tornado and everything. terrible news about the fan, but I was like, $60,000 is a lot in our currency. You can buy a house. You can buy a house. So I was like, what the fuck are we going to do?

Then we did the fundraiser. And gladly we got the 60K in 24 hours. Thank you to the amazing metal community who stood together with us. And, but then, like, we had the new RV. By the end of the tour, we were there to return the RV. and they were like, so now we had said it was 60K, but actually the whole account with a new RV and everything else, it's going to be $101,000.

And we were like, this is our RV. That's your RV? Yes. Oh. Yeah. Like, it's funny. I didn't see that picture. Yeah.

That's the RV. Because we know where everything is. I'm just seeing like a pink thing on top of the RV and I'm like, oh, that's my stuff. That's what's blanket. Oh, that's my, yeah. Because that's where Luana used to sleep. Like above the driver's seat. You were there, you'd be dead.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, like she said, I. That's so bizarre. I almost didn't make it because I was the last one to leave with my backpack from the RV. And like I said, everyone was relaxed about it. Everyone was just like, it's okay. Just go to the basement and it's going to be fine. So I was like, I got my stuff as fast as possible, but I was the last to leave.

And I remember when I got to the door, which was like, just to like maybe two meters away from the RV when I got to the door the wind was so strong that I was like okay if I stay here for like an extra five seconds I'm not going to be able to stand outside anymore I'm going to be taken by the wind and then the guy from the tour manager from morbid angel just like pulled me in and closed the door like with some effort because it was really hard to pull the door yeah and then the thing happened but like if I if I had stayed like If I had maybe like thought twice about an item like should I take this whatever I would be gone. Like it's horrible.

And then like we only had the 60k. I mean only it was a lot of money. We had the 60K to pay you know like for the RV but they said it was a $1,000. Tell them the fuck off. Yeah. And then they were like but we'll give you a discount. A 20K discount. So it's $81,000.

So out of a sudden, we had a $21,000 debt. So what happened is literally all the profit of the tour, all the money that we had used to pay for our flight tickets and visas, which was really expensive, that was supposed to come back to the band's finances. We needed to invest in that. So we literally took a full year to recover financially from that, because, yeah, we need all the money we had went for that extra 21K. It was horrible.

I'm sorry to hear that, you know. It's crazy how what you'll go through. And even when, like, there's setbacks, like, you'll just keep something that keeps you there and keeps you going. Yeah. I think for us, like, we're a Brazilian band. We all know how it's tough being Latin American, you know, like, it's, We struggle so much for a band, a Brazilian band to succeed and actually have the chance to be out there.

We're really privileged. We know that because it's tough. So to me, honestly, I keep going on because I have no other option. Like this is like this is what I love doing. I live for this band. We live for this band. We only us know the amount of effort we've put in this band. So honestly, there's.

no other option we'll keep going. Crypta is our baby, no twister is going to stop us from moving forward with the baby. Yeah, we will. As long as it makes sense for us and I'm pretty sure we still have a long time together on this journey, we'll keep on going because like, that's our dream. Nothing's going to take it from us. Yeah, this is your dream. You know, nothing, nothing can stop it, you know, and that's a pretty, this is a pretty extreme example. you know you don't like imagine like a oh i might you know die doing this you know some sometimes you're

like driving and uh you know sometimes like the driver's not exactly smooth and it's like 4 a m you're you're like hitting like the rumble strips you're like are we getting off the road right now holy shit you don't think about when you're just trying to rip and riff yeah exactly you kind of expect not expect but you see so many bands getting like car accidents or like with their very bands. Yeah. Ben's getting robbed. I mean, we've been, you know, like we had our stuff taken a couple of times.

A couple times. Yeah, with our previous Ben Nervosa, who was actually here in the podcast. Yeah. So we got robbed twice with Nervosa. So we, yeah. So you kind of expect this kind of things because you see happening with other bands. Like van accidents, flat tires, merch getting robbed, you know, like you kind of expect that. but a tornado, I have never seen any other band going through this.

So it was not an hour, well, let's maybe prepare for this kind of stuff. How do you prepare for such a natural disaster? You can't. You can't. Head over to distroKid.com slash VIP slash Garza and save 30% off your membership to get all your songs on all streaming platforms. And now to the heaviest podcast of all time. Yeah. You can't.

And they're, and they, and they were kind of acting like, this is like a normal thing, like, like a tornado warning. You know, they're acting like it was just normal. Not for us, Brazilians. We were like, the moment we saw this, I was paralyzed. We were like, what is that? Yeah. What do we do? We didn't know what to do.

The thing is also funny during the show, I'm the only one using my phone during the show because I have to release the tracks, like intro, outro, and stuff like that. And I was getting the warning on top of the intros and the outro's. And of course, I didn't read anything. I was just like, what the fuck am I getting? Like, what ads on top of my intros and outsors? What is my phone doing? I never get ads on top of, like, randomly I'm not even using the internet. And I was just like, just closing it and keep on going.

But later on. Yeah, and later on, I figured that was a tornado warning that I was constantly ignoring to read because I had to release the intros, which is so dumb. I mean, you should have probably paid attention if my phone was on flight mode and I was getting ads. Did you leave your phone on the stage or did you take it with you? So we had a little bit of time after the show to like take some stuff out of the stage and go to the RV. So we took good part from the stage.

Like I remember the next day when we had to go back there and the firefighters let us go in to like retrieve our stuff. Most of our stuff were like beside the stage. Of course, all covered in dust and you can. No. It was hard to see them, but they were there beside the stage. So we retrieved everything from like instrument wise, covered in mud. But the interesting thing is that Lou said we had time, but I calculated it. It was nine minutes.

It felt like an eternity, right? To me it was like 30 minutes because again, no one believed it was going to happen. So everyone was like, our tour manager said that he saw the moment, that the crowd, everyone had the tornado warning. He said everyone did like this, check their phones, put in the pocket and kept hanging out because they were like, yeah. Like, it happens. And no one really thought, but it was nine minutes until the moment we got the tornado warning and left the stage. So the tornado hitting, it was nine minutes, which is insane. It's good to know we're faster in changeovers.

Yeah. If anything, the only positive aspect of all of it is we're fast and changeovers apparently. Because in nine minutes, everything was off the stage, just saying. Yeah, I was trying to see if you're, like, addicted to your cell phone. When there's like a, I always wanted that. Anything ever happened to me, like, and I left my phone there, will I go back in there and get it? Right? Right.

But why, though, right? Yeah, yeah. Why? I mean, it's just a phone. Yeah. I mean, nowadays we're so attached to the goddamn phone that it's like part of us where even like, like, we're even having this discussion like would I go back take my phone the phone is so we're so attached to the phone that we even consider if we would go back to take the phone it should be obvious that we're not

taking the phone but yeah I think I would think that too like should I should take my phone yeah hey Jay how many uh look up how many people have died taking selfies oh yeah I've I've I've read about this it's crazy people are addicted to freaking taking selfies and they'll do like some crazy pose on like a side of a mountain or something. I'm curious. Sophie related deaths. Let's see. How many? How many?

Wow. So, okay, so number of deaths between 2008, 2021, an estimating 379 people died in a selfie related accident. I honestly thought it would be more than that, to be honest. Yeah, me too. I'm kind of surprised. I mean, it's awful, but yeah. But I think with the phone thing,

especially for us, like we're thousands and thousands and thousands of miles away from home. And that's literally our only connection to, and we also, we manage, like, crypto is self-managed so far. And me and Luana do most of the thing. I do most of the bureaucratic thing. So, like, my phone is my connection to everything related to the tour, production, label. It's a lot. And also family and everything. All my receipts are in there.

Yeah. My credit card, you know, like everything's in there. So it's. But of course, life first. But because of that, like I exit the stage. I already have my phone here because like if anything goes wrong, I get lost from anyone. I lose my passport. At least I have the phone so I can get shit together.

I don't know. But yeah, we survived. We're here. We thrived and we keep on going. Talk about survived and thrived. Yeah, that was. You guys lived it. You lived that.

It's sick. It was crazy. Well, cool. I was, I had a quick question when the, when the band started, did you already have it in your minds, like in both their minds when you're already in Nervosa that we want to start a new band? Yeah. We guys already writing songs or? Crypta was actually supposed to be a side project of me and Luana. We were in nervous.

I was in Nervosa for almost a decade. That's a long time. Yeah. Since pretty much the beginning. And Luana was there for the, for four years. And then we were trying to, you know, like things were, how can I, how can I put that? Like. You were in a band.

Yeah. Basically. I got it. I still can put it in towards what it's like. I'm going to spend a rest of my loud trying to explain to people what is that dynamic is like. It's a marriage. Like a marriage is already like hard, but it's a marriage with multiple people. And sure, sure they have mental issues to get figured also.

We all have mental issues. So it's like it's a marriage with a bunch of people that have a lot of people to get a lot of things sorted. It's very difficult. It's fucked up. So we were, the dynamic was, the relationship was a little bit strained. And I think whoever has. a band knows what I'm talking about it it's like that you know like people change friendships change it's like that and we were craving some different me and luano have always been really close close and we

we were kind of craving a different band environment and a different creative outlet in order to maybe getting back at being inspired again for nervosa you know because we were trying to write songs together it was not working anymore. So we were like, so maybe we have to try something new. So maybe we could get, you know, like excited again. And that's what the idea with crypto was supposed to be a side project that we would work on during, you know, like in between tours, in between Nervosa tours and stuff like that. And so we were pretty much like going really slow. We just wanted to have a name.

And then we came up with Crypta. And then we were like, so how? How do we want to sound? You know, like baby steps. But the embryo was there. So when it was time, and this was in May, June 2019, we were still in Nervosa. We left around a year later. And when we left Nervosa, because it was the pandemics already.

Did the pandemic really kind of solidified? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In a way that, I mean, I helped building Nervosa. you know like I I was there from you know like signing the first contracts and writing the first lyrics and everything the family so it was my baby still is my baby I still have the band tattooed here so it's sick it was it was my baby and I really although I felt like it was time for me to go so everyone could be back at being

happy again including Prika and the band and the project it was still I was still attached to it and and also I didn't want to harm the band in any way you know like So I was thinking for a while that I wanted to leave, but I could never find the right time without having the band being in hard situations, like maybe have to cancel a tour or postpone an album release just because we're leaving. I didn't want that. So when the pandemic came, although it was horrible times for everyone, at least I knew that for a while that the band would be inactive in a way.

the band would not be touring or anything so i was like maybe that's the time because then i can leave without causing any harm to the band in a way that you know they're going to have to cancel tours or anything so the pandemic kind of helped us in a way of deciding that we wanted to really move on and when when the decision came for us to leave nervosa it was a good thing that crypto was there even though it was just an embryo it was just something you know like just an idea mainly It was good because it, at least to me, it personally kept me going because, like, I was, I mean, I was very sad to have to leave the band, although I knew it was the best decision. But I was really sad. I was like, man, I really liked it, you know. It's almost history.

Exactly. It's history. It's time. It was 10 years of my life dedicated to something. So I was sad. And having crypto was a reason to get me out of that bad state, bad emotional state I was and actually. give me a reason to enjoy creating music again. So Crypta, that's why Crypta is very important. Yeah. I was just stoked to go back to playing more Blast Beats because I've always had death metal bands since I was like a teenager. And Nervoza was the only band that I had that was not death metal.

So I remember when we were talking about starting crypto, we were like, okay, what is it going to be death metal, please, let's go back to blast beating as hard as we can. So stoked about it. I mean, it was sad to leave Nervosa, as you said, because I came out of nowhere, then I got into Nervosa, and then I started touring and actually living of music, which was very important to me and, like, a huge change in my life, like going from nowhere to playing music professionally.

But it was nice to finally have a band again that it's like my main thing. The thing that I like the most, like a band that I'm actually like participating on everything. because I got into Nervaosa later. So Crypta was my chance to like, okay, now we can actually do it from scratch. Scratch, day one. Day one, yeah. Soul, the heart, a part of the bones of it.

It's cool. Yeah, and kind of build what we wanted as a band to not only genre-wise, but in every other way, you know, like it was actually pretty fun to have something from scratch and just deciding, okay, now we saw Crypta. as a blank page, you know, like, so, okay, now I have this blank page. I can do whatever I want here. So it was really, it was, it was blast beats. Page full blast beats to me. And to me it was a natural choice too because like my two favorite genres are definitely thrash and death metal.

I listen to everything metal, but thrash and death, they are my, my, my favorite thing. So I was playing thrash metal already in their Velsa. So whenever we were deciding, like one is a death metal drummer. Of course. And I liked death metal a lot, so it was like, yeah, it was a natural choice. Yeah. Natural. Yeah.

And Luana, you've been playing drums since you were at 12, huh? Apparently. Yeah, apparently. I've heard rumors. Okay. Well, I think, I believe I got it from you. So, and it took you up, but you've been wanting to play drums since you were 11, and it took you a year to convince your parents to actually get a drum set, correct?

Yeah, that is right. Yeah. I mean. How do you, okay, so the drums are like the loud. this thing. How do you how does one convince parents hey get me a drum set? Like like you say it was like a one year of convincing and you know I think I would have gotten it really easy uh if it wasn't for a TV show that my parents were watching on a very unfortunate day at home because I was like already okay so I'm not doing anything I live in a small town barely any friends in here nothing to do I want to do

something I want to have a hobby something that like pushes me for that I can focus my time on find friends from that, you know. I just wanted something, whatever it was, like painting, drawing, whatever. And then someone said that a friend of a friend online played drums, and I just like got stuck with that. I was like, okay, it's going to be drums. I don't know why, but it is going to be drums now. And then I asked my parents, and they were like,

okay, it sounds healthy that you have like a hobby or something. It sounds healthy. Sounds like, it sounds like. Sounds very prejudicent. But then we watched a TV show one day that was about, how teenagers when they're like 11, 12, which was my age at the time, yeah, usually get something, it was legit just about that. Teenagers getting stuck with ideas that like, oh, I want to be that when I grow up,

or I want to do this. I need that to like whatever. Yeah. And then it's just like a phase because in that age. The phase thing. Yeah, because when you're a teenager at that age, you usually get stuck with an idea, blah, blah. And then they gave like several examples of like teenagers that the parents bought like huge things or expensive gear and shit. And they were like, okay, I didn't like it. And then after a week they left it.

And there was this example of a little boy that got drums. And he just, you know, didn't do anything with it. And they were like, okay, it's just a face. It's pretty normal when you're this age to do this. And my parents are like, oh no. Oh, hell no for you with drums. And then, yeah, it took me. year of like please I'm not that little boy I'm not gonna let you down you can buy me the drums

I promise I'll practice and I'll take it seriously but yeah eventually I got it pretty obnoxious fucking instrument but I got it it is and now she's a honorable citizen in her town oh yeah I live in a small town so um I think I'm one of the few people traveling around and doing crazy stuff of course like touring and going to festival What do you live? It's a city called Tapejara. It's in the south of Brazil. Closer to Uruguay than the rest of the country, I would say.

But yeah, the mayor invited me to go there, get an honorable citizen. What? Are you serious? Yeah. That's fucking sick. It's very random, but very cool. I don't know. Isn't it the coolest thing?

How did they find your band? I don't know. There was this drum you thing that I got. nominated for last year. So I guess that kind of went around and people were like, okay, that's like a major thing, I guess. Everyone was like, okay.

Even though they didn't know what it was, I think like the news just got spread very well. One thing that helped, I remember, is that everyone was comparing like, it's like Oscars but for drums. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's tuck, that kind of, that's how it looks.

left the metal scene and got into everywhere because everyone could compare it to something. It was like, oh my God, if it's like the Oscars book for drums, then it's something big. Then she's an honorable citizen. Yeah. So the news were out there. Funny thing to live in a small town sometimes. Congratulations. Oh, there you have pictures of her town.

Damn, that's my street, boy. Is it a church in there? Is it a church? Yeah, it's the church? but it's like I live in the same street as the church so do you really yeah oh sick oh my street do you feel homesick already look at the pictures when was the last time you were home uh oh okay let me put it this way this year four years how you got this year's been the most active for crypto that's awesome we've seen that i think by the end of the year we might be hitting the 100

50 shows mark, something around that, but so far we've played over 100 already. Okay. And so we've been home, but like barely for a week and then we're off and then for a week and then it's like since the beginning of the year, we had actually in July, we had a month break just because we needed, you know, like mental health and everything. But besides that, we've been touring all the, oh my God, Luana. It's crazy. That's so cool.

Soon you're going to see my parents walking around my friends. That's a cool church. For a small city, it's a cool church. I'll say that. Not wanting to be the one to brag about my city, but it's a goddamn cool church for a small city. It looks super chill. Almost.

It looks super chill. It's very chill. You're like, hey, that's where I get drunk all the time. Do you have like a local bar? you always go to or like your favorite spot what's the there is one like irish themed pub that is a friend of like a friend's pub and it's the only place in the city that doesn't play like super popular music it plays more like rock and other things so that's my only place that i go also like like she said we're playing so much i barely stay home to have the chance to go anywhere but when i do go home i go to

the pub go there and play up billy strings yeah exactly the only thing in my mind city that is not chill is me and my drums and the noise that I make for the entire neighborhood. The whole tanker party hear you. Yeah, yeah. Like, literally. I play drums in an apartment inside of an apartment with no acoustic, like acoustic isolation. How do you say that? Like, you know.

How do you do that? Isolation. Yeah, with no isolation. And it was fine for some time, but also like we have a gas station right in front of the apartment building that I live. Yeah. And those guys from the gas station. And they've been following up with me, like, not knowing anything to now.

So they've been following. Like, they probably memorized the Crypt album before it was released because they've been listening for me practice every day. It's, yeah. They're like, listening, oh, this might be a good record. Yeah, oh, it's a sick beat. Oh my God. Yeah.

And is this the Publu? Uh, what's the? Yeah, oh, damn. Heart Pub? This guy knows. Dude works for the FBI. Oh, this? This place looks, I would definitely drink here.

The food looks crazy. That's good. Shout out to my friends from Harpub. Heart pub, the food look. Okay. The thing is, like, whenever she goes, and that is something I don't know, a lot of people know, like she'll probably go for the milkshakes because we're both sober. Yeah.

Yeah. Really? Yeah. How long? They both. I never drink. So. Like, never.

Never. Never. No And I've been I've been over for six years Congratulations Yeah That's fine

I mean it's just something Interesting because like we do hang out Me and Lou But we're always We're more about the milkshakes Milk shakes I mean You can't get more than that

fucking skunking That's dope That is cool Congratulations You know That actually That explains your You're a focus

you know it's always to see I do admit like when you're you know sober you're just fucking straight line I'm gonna be a fucking twister no I'm a tank you're just gonna fucking just go straight you out twister I think with us I think we're

very pretty much like naturally the same way Luana was with her drums like from the beginning she knew she wanted that I think even when I was drinking when I was when their vosa I was always like I knew what I wanted to do and I'm I'm going for it I don't know

We're just very I forgot the word in English Damn, but We know what we want Sober or non We know what we want Are you guys Competitive

No I wouldn't say that It depends If we're gonna play Moral Combat I mean It's pretty crazy But besides I think we're chill Yeah I think we're pretty much chill

Even when playing games Like whenever we she's been inviting me for like playing games and was like I can do it but I'd rather have the more chill stuff I don't know you know like like whatever that's not I not super competitive yeah I don't I don't like that I feel uncomfortable I'm very driven focus driven focus thank you for helping me with my I'm very driven I really know what I want but I don't like competition I think it it kind of drains the whole fun, you know, like, and also I think cooperation in a metal scene or anywhere, like it's way more fruitful than just thinking of competition because there's literally room for

everyone, you know, like in the metal scene and there's, there's just room for everyone. And I think if you're thinking of like competing all the time, I think it drains all the fun because this means you'll always be comparing yourself to, to other people or other bands. And that's just not cool. I think we like competing to ourselves, maybe. Oh, that is one point. We're very perfectionist. Very unsatisfied all the time with ourselves.

Of course. But that's a good thing. I mean, imagine being a musician and being like, oh, my God, do this show is so sick, like, unbelievable. Like, I play, like, oh, my God. That's not very nice, I think. It's nice to kind of nice to always be like, I can't do better if. I practice more. Yeah. It's the curse of being driven.

Like nothing. Like it's always about, it's always a better riff. There's always a better song, always a better show, always a better something. And that's just, it's hard to like enjoy it. But that's just the curse of being driven. Yeah. It's a good thing. It's a curse, but it's a good thing at the same time. If we were satisfied with what we were doing, we wouldn't get any better.

Like I remember when we started. Yeah, when we started crypto like in, in 2020, when we were writing the songs, I remember doing my absolute best to write the best drum parts that I could at the time. And that was really what I could do with all my skills.

And looking back, that's one of the easiest songs we have now. And I'm like, ah, okay. So it's a curse, but it's also good because I'm always like, okay, I got to do better for the next one. A little better, a little better. This can improve.

Yeah, I think I really like this kind of, of this way of thinking that we have because it also helps with like pressure and stuff like that because people people see that we're always playing out there and there's that you know like there's people always tell me about like how does it feel being on the spotlight here and there you know and like expectations dealing with expectations from the fans

and like from the label like you know like you're maybe thinking about a next album how do you deal with the pressure? And to honestly for us, I don't think we're, we feel pressured, except for like, we just want to do better than we did before. Like, we don't want to, we, okay, so if we're doing like a song that is, was on this BPM or like if I sang songs with this technique, so I just want to try and do different from what we did already on the next album. So we just basically just push ourselves into the, the one direction we go. is just, you know, like trying to do a little better from what we have done before.

So I think Luana is pretty much right when she says the only competition is with ourselves, but in a good way. And I think it's a good fuel. Like we're always thinking of ways to, you know, like, okay, like Shades of Star, we're very proud of this album. But it's going to be fun to write something new and explore new things and just do something different. But this is us with ourselves. Like if I think we we firstly think of what we want to do and if we are going to be happy with the music we want to do and then if people like it, if the label likes and then it's extra cool.

But the first thing we have in mind is we just want to do better than the less time. Yeah, people really love this record. It's cool. We're so happy about it to be honest. Yeah, so your first record took you about a year to write and then this one took you only a few months. correct? Kind of thing is, both of them were written during the pandemic. Because the first one, yeah, it took a little longer because we were trying to understand

what we wanted as a band. So we were like extra careful about details. We were actually stressing over details, you know? Also getting to know each other because like we knew each other, but we had a new guitarist that we never played with and never even saw her in real life. She was just like, yeah. So I mean, it's hard to write your first record with someone you never played with and didn't even meet in real life.

Wow. And, you know, so it took long for that reason. How did you guys write from the ashes then? Yeah, this, this whole album, like actually in crypto, we just write everyone from the comfort of their homes, because we live in different states. Wow. Like with Sonia,

the first album was mainly written by me, Luana and Sonia, which is the blonde guitarist there. She's now in a band called Cobur's Bell. And she was from the Netherlands. Luan is from South Brazil. Southeast Brazil and Brazil is huge, just like the U.S. Yeah, it's fucking massive. It's just too hard to be.

It explains it. Yeah, to be able to meet and just jam. You know, like we don't have. It's hard to afford this. It's time consuming too. And then if we have to be traveling back and forth, it's hard. It will be cool to be able to do that. But since we just can't.

So we pretty much learned how to write music using WhatsApp and Google Drive. That's basically it. You know, like we throw some ideas there. And then we have like weekly calls to, you know, like develop the song and point out some things we want to change. And that's basically it. And that's how we wrote Echoes of the Soul, mainly also because the pandemic was going on. And Shades of Sorrow actually was pretty much the same thing. But it was a little bit faster.

Indeed, it was a little bit faster. But it was the same way, you know, like distance. And yeah. But I think it was a little bit more comfortable riding Shades of Sorrow because like, we knew a little bit more what we wanted as a band and musically speaking like we wanted we knew already what we wanted so it was it was easier it flew it was all flowing more naturally

I think so of course we were also like less a little bit less attached to the many details than comparing to her first album because it would be, you know, like, Me, Mine and Luana's come back to the metal scene. So there was, although we don't care a lot about the whole pressure, but still, we just were hyper-focused on doing, like, a good job. And on Shades of Sorrow, we were like,

we let things flow a little bit more organically. And I think we're pretty proud of this album. Like, I like Echoes of the Soul a lot, but I can feel that with Shades of Sorrow, it was a step up, mainly because of the feedback we've been getting from the fans has been insane. I think that person that posted the picture of the CD didn't understand that the logo is upside down. And I thought that the picture was just posted upside down, but when you see the whole things together, and it's still upside down, which is pretty funny.

Oh, shit. It looks like the Batman logo. Yeah. Oh, well. That's sick, though. That's sick. Yeah, it's still upside. We just, it's a black metal band now.

Yeah, because you're banning wasting time. Like you announced your, the parsher and then you announced crypto like a month later. What? Sorry? You announced a band like a month later after after the split. It's smart. Yeah. The thing is like we didn't want that to be honest.

Like we wanted no. We wanted to take our time and really just like, yeah, let's do it calmly. You know, like there's the pandemic. but then people got desperate. People are like, Fernando now is going to be a pop Brazilian singer for Brazilian music. Luona is going to disappear. She's getting out of the metal since she's never playing drums again. And we were getting so many comments of like, okay, so you're done now, right?

You're never going to do anything anymore. And we're like, oh, my God, let's just fucking put this out. So people are like, oh, okay, they're actually still playing music, which is obvious, but I mean. They were desperate. I think like there's a nice thing to it, which is like that people care, that people were still interested in hearing if we were doing more stuff. But it got overwhelming. Like we would get a lot of measures like, please don't quit music.

Please this and this and that. So we were like, yeah, I think let's just announce so they know there's something going on, but let's still take it easy. That's why like people were like, you need to release something. And then we were like, we know we do. but we're taking it easy, you know? But yeah, it's, we, it was not planned. We did that just so the fans could, you know, like, chill and know that we're still active

and we were still planning on doing stuff. But there were all these theories going on. It's like, she going to play a bass in Beyonce right now? Oh, man, the Beyonce thing. It's just like, yeah. I mean, everyone listens to their stuff. and it's like everyone listens to stuff I mean we mainly listen to metal

but everyone listens to stuff out of metal I think that's pretty normal it's like healthy to listen to other stuff as well but somehow somehow Fernanda is the only one in the band that gets picked by listening to anything else than metal for some reason like we all do

you know like I like indie rock and Fernando likes like Beyonce Emmy Winehouse the other girls listen to like techno and you know i listen to country sometimes and like but but no fuck you listen to me that's that's yeah i kind of understand a little bit where it comes from it's just because i i think i am more open about it and i yeah i think that is one thing and i and i really don't care about it i think that's the the second thing like i really use my social media

as an extension of my life and my life is a whole universe you know like metal is the most important part of my life for sure you know like I'm a metal head but but but there's way more

that I want to share you know like I always say like if you want to know about music only about crypto only there's our page crypto it's always like there there's a lot of stuff there but like on my social media I'll talk about metal a lot. I'll talk about crypt a lot, but I'll also talk about, I don't know, yoga,

vegan, and Beyonce happens to be just one of those things. And like, you know, so I, I think people give more importance to that than myself. You know, like sometimes we'll be talking about this while I'm listening to, I don't know, Naipom death while they're talking about me listening to Beyonce. So it's just, I think it's just because I'm more open and that, I don't care and that I invite people through my posts to actually be free themselves to do whatever they want and post about whatever they want. So that's why I'm more picked on. But really, everyone listens to stuff outside of metal. And that doesn't make me any less metal.

Luana knows I'm a fucking metal hat, man. I know my medal. It's just funny. It's even like a topic because it's like, yeah. And so what? It's okay. Yeah. People call me a poser.

It's fun. I just learn. Yeah, I get called posers. It's, but like, I, the reason why I don't care is that since, like, my dad is a metal head. So I'm listening to metal literally since I was like six, seven years old. He would do, like, cassette tapes with, like, suicidal tendencies and, and Iron Maiden and Dorot Passion, whatever. So I was listening pretty much listening to Metal's, your whole life. My whole life.

And then, like, when I was a teenager, my life was going to concerts. You know, like, and after that, my life was literally working for metal. I had a TV show on metal. I had a radio show on metal where I would invite bands and interview bands and everything. Before that, I was doing concert reviews, concert photography. I was interviewing bands for magazines and websites. So, like, that's why, like, when people call me a poser, I'm like, this person probably doesn't know where I come from and what I'd,

done in metal you know like it's like in Brazil like I was doing stuff for metal like I was interviewing bands when I was like 18 20 years old you know like I was out there and and breathing metal that's it so that's why I don't care you can talk I like Beyonce but I know my metal I I know my history in metal and that's what matters I think yeah you know and also what I what you guys think about yourself is the most important. What was actually really funny is someone's going to say the poser, they're probably talking about themselves. You know, it's always, it's always like projecting.

I mean, one thing I remember, one thing I do a lot is, I remember, so I was watching a certain band, not naming any bands, any names. I was watching a certain band. And this certain person that I know was watching, with me and he was just like oh that guy is a poser and then I was like and then I was like interesting what's that sounds and then I was just like oh interesting comment and then I was just like did you see that he's wearing like that band's t-shirt that I

like so much and the guy was the one that called him a poser was like which band is that I was like exactly you don't even know you're mad you don't fucking know you know my my goodness people forget there's so many fucking bands and styles of heavy shit it's impossible to keep up with it yeah literally it's like impossible i'm daily trying to keep up with the bands uh ferrana knows that all i do in the van is nerd out on spotify and metalline archives to get to know as much as possible and still i'm finding underground death metal bands i never heard about there's always bands coming out even like the you'll find bands from the era that you like that you just didn't find.

Yeah, exactly. Sometimes I find old school bands that I never heard of. And I'm like, what the fuck? How did this? Like, how did I not see this before? Because I'm always, I feel like I do it for a hobby searching bands. I just find it interesting. And still finding stuff that you don't know like from the 90s.

Sometimes I'm like, oh, that's pretty. It's pretty cool. I will say that it's like an endless task to know all the bands. It's an endless hobby. But at the same time, like, some people are like, oh, you don't know, I don't know, fucking make a band name Habilon. Yeah, we made. Or like, okay. I mean, I listen to some pretty underground stuff, like, I don't know, fucking 100 listeners on Spotify.

But, you know, maybe Habilon has 10 listeners. I never heard of them yet. Maybe someday. And sometimes, like, there's the new bands and everything. And sometimes you end up revisiting albums. from your favorite bands, like old school bands that you didn't care before. And that is something that reminds me like, because like when I was a teenager and young adult,

it was only metal for me. So I kind of know where it comes from in a way. So I was like, yeah, I don't listen to that band because of this and this and that. We've all been there. We've all been there. So that's why I'm like, okay, eventually they'll understand and it's fine. And then also there are, there were albums that we were like, I remember we were like, you know, we don't like this album.

And then like a decade later It was like okay Maybe I'll revisit this album It's a fucking awesome album You know like so that's the cool thing about metal I think like it's it's never ending There's always new bands or old albums Or from old bands and new albums from old bands

So it's never ending It is never ending Yeah and that's a cool thing I think that's a cool thing Because that's why I think metal has been I won't say surviving but actually thriving because like we're definitely one of the most solid musical scenes out there in the world because you can find metal has like solid

metal scene literally everywhere you go and i think that's the reason why because we're always revisiting we're always you know like uh talking about our favorite bands and then supporting new bands and buying material which is something that other general are not very good at buying merch and stuff. We're still buying cassette tapes in metal. Exactly. Which I love. I think that's a cool thing. But it's like, of course, other music

styles also release cassette tapes sometimes but I don't think it's comparable to how much metalheads buy merch. Like, you know, we buy everything band related. Other other music genres, they have their stuff too, but like metalheads were buying like socks from our favorite bands

and like flip flops and like whatever kitchen wear, whatever bands release. What is some kitchen wear? Yeah, like mortician released a house pretty stoked about it. What's the name of it? It's like a... It's not it. Apron.

Apron. Apron? Yeah, yeah. It's like the kitchen. Yeah, see, that's it. They also release shower curtains. Which is, I mean, I would have it. That's pretty hard.

Yeah. And that's the thing. Like, I'm pretty much in touch with, like, other musical scenes there in Brazil. I'm very close to people who play, like, typical Brazilian music. And whenever I share a little bit of the metal universe, mainly about merch and, like, vinyl's and everything, they're big and active bands in Brazil from other genres. and they're like, how come you're still selling tapes and people buy it? I was like, oh, yeah, they bought it.

We sold out our tapes for Shades of Star. I think on like days, you know, like, and they were like, what? I was like, yeah, man, we saw a lot of CDs and finals and pretty much everything, you know? Like in crypto, we're proud to say that we love releasing all kinds of merch. I fucking love doing, like, March is like, what is the merch queen?

My favorite thing is making merch. just so many things you can make with your band logo and they look so fun to me like we're selling coffin sized shaped cushions now on this tour which is like it's pretty fucking random but it looks really cool to have coughing shaped cushions yeah and there's like the regular stuff but there's also like prank holographic crop tops yeah like fitness tops and socks and socks And everything, we just like, merch is cool. I think in my mind, it's like if I'm spending, because I spend a lot of merch from other bands,

if I'm spending this much money in people's merch, we got to also be releasing as many options for people to buy because there is a market. I am part of the market. So I also want to release for the people that are also doing like me, like fucking investing in merchandise. And it works. I mean.

And I really love that. this is something we were talking about one of these days because like we pretty much manage the band and I do lots of most of the bureaucratic things and like you know like dealing with contracts and the label and shows everything on this part and Luana does everything art design merch because she and I the cool thing is that Luana trusts me a lot when it comes to dealing with all this

you know like more bureaucratic stuff and I trust her 100% on merch because I know she knows like merch from every band and I know she will always come up with nice ideas and she always like yeah some bands are doing this

I think we should do too I'm like yeah fuck yeah if you're telling me so let's do it because she knows this business you know and I think it's pretty cool I think it's nice that we naturally divide our duties in the and things that feel more comfortable to us.

She loves that. I know nothing about design. I really not good about, you know, like, moratorium in everything, but I'm so nerdy about, you know, like I like my emails. I like my spreadsheets. I like my deals and contracts and dealing with label.

I like my meetings. I like this kind of stuff. So I think we kind of trust each other and that helps the band flow really naturally too. I think it's pretty cool. Yeah, you're, Your relationship is, there needs to be trusted. It has to be trust there.

Yes. It's huge. Yes. You know, there's a lot of letting go to. Yeah, like, let go things. Because sometimes you want, you want to, like, micromanage. You want to be, like, on top of them. Yes.

But just let people just kind of. There's, I mean, there's a lot of let it go with us because we trust each other 100%. We've been working together for so long. But still, you know, we're different people. So sometimes we have different opinions. And we always try to find like a middle ground. Like, okay, if you want this and I want this, we'll try to do a little bit of this and a little bit of that.

Or try to make like a, we agree on a mish mash of ideas. Yeah. So it doesn't fully make any of us happy or unhappy. It's just a middle ground. Yeah. But there's a lot of just letting it go. If that doesn't happen in a band, I think you're doomed to. I was literally about to ask you like, do you guys ever bite?

I mean We do Sometimes Not fight fight fight Yeah Bambi Come on Yeah

Not fight fight Yeah but we do Sometimes disagree on stuff That like harder stuff To find a middle ground For example Not everything Can have a middle ground

So when it's harder We do have to discuss more And sometimes we do fight But I think It's like we said Before Crypta is our baby and you have to know how to look to the overall thing

and have to understand that no matter what happens or how much we disagree or what's the outcome of a decision, it's we have to stay together and we have to work well together because it's for the well-being of the band. So sometimes, you know, like we'll decide for something that she wanted or that I wanted, but at the end of the day we know that we're,

We're both taking care of the band well. So everyone means well, even though sometimes we disagree. Yeah, we know it is for the best. We're not doing, we're not disagreeing just because we want to be provoking each other or that. We want to be, no, we know we're doing this for the best. And we both have the best of intentions for the band. And in the end of the day, we're just different people. Although we agree in so many things, but it's two different universes and it's fine.

You know, like as long as we agree for the best for the band, I think that's the thing. And also with time, I think we get more mature, you know, also to understand that, okay, we'll disagree. And it's like we both have very strong personalities, I would say. Like we're very, both of us, we strong, strong personalities. And we know this might clash here and there, because that's. That's what happens. And, but we, we're more mature now to understand that we will disagree, but we'll take our time, if needed, but we'll always come back to each other and try and work it out.

And, but what we do the most now is definitely looking for the middle ground. I'll give you an example on the album cover for Shades of Sorrow. I wanted to go for a picture as an album artwork, just like. the carcass two last albums they had like it's pictures of objects and everything so i wanted to go for a picture because i was like i think it's classy and it's so cool and then luana was like yeah but i want to go for you know like a painting like more of old school which i i like too but then we were like okay so i really want that you really want that what middle ground can we find we were like okay so we do a painting but very realistically

one, a realistic one. It didn't come out. It didn't come out exactly how we imagined, to be fair. Was it always is? The examples I had, I promise. They were like very intricate paintings. We do like the cover art. I'm aware satisfied.

But we had different examples, let's just say. You know, it was like Renaissance, in English? Fuck my English. Well, paintings that they're like very realistic. You know, like people actually look like, like realistic paintings and we were like okay let's do yeah you know let's do something like that yeah shit we found we found a lot of artists and all and and the guy who made ours did it too but i think

maybe the idea didn't go through very well it's all right it's okay we like it's tough yeah because sometimes you have you have an idea in your head and it can't it actually can't materialize into into reality it's hard i mean it's tough yeah sometimes you try to write the text it happens it happens it happens To be honest, I don't think it's sometimes. I think it's literally every time. I cannot think. And this was something we were talking to. I saw Ginger that we were even talking to this about this to Tati one of these days.

We met at a festival. And we were discussing this, like how we have these ideas in our minds. And they're so clear and easy to, you know, like to be reproduced. And they're never the same as they're. are on our mind. It's insane. Like, it doesn't matter how much with describing, again, Luana takes care of the art thing. So whatever decision

we have, she's the one who will be dealing with the artist. And then, man, she would do like tests like this. And when we would have the first scratches, and I'm not saying about this, I'm saying about like literally everything, video clips and everything. It's always like that. We have an idea and it's so

clear. And then when it comes back first, first, the first not scratch. the first, I mean, the first proof or whatever, it's always so different from what. I mean, like I said, we do like it. I especially love our first cover art, the Echoes of the So On.

I love it. It looks like, to me, it looks old school. Like it could be an album from the 90s or something. And it's like Wes Ben Scotter, which is doing for autopsy, so I'm extremely proud of it. But it's interesting to see that no matter as how much you describe it.

Like the artist has, you know, their creative mind working. Their whole other creative. Yeah, and we trust them for sure. So like, you know, it came different from what we imagined, but it's what he imagined and the guy is a legend. So we got to trust him as well. I'm pretty happy with whatever he did there. I think he did it better than I imagined. Different, but better.

It's just an ongoing, ongoing learning experience, you know. Yeah. You guys ever think about like a so when you're trying to find like a middle ground, it's like how do you serve the band logo, right? How do you serve the band? Right. Yeah, it's not serve yourself. Like what decision are we going to come up with now that serves that? Because that's a whole, it's a whole separate thing.

And you say you have you guys and like the band is like an actual other thing. But you're in it. So how do you? So by serving you, you're actually not serving the band, which is actually you're not going to get what you want. Yeah. It's like this crazy, like mental fucking game. I think this is really interesting. And it's something that we talk about to sometimes.

And I'll give you another example. When me and when I started the band, we were like, we're playing old school death metal. That's what we're playing. And then we even had it written there in our, in our, like, Instagram. Grampage and everything. But then when we started writing, it started going, it definitely has a lot of elements from old school death metal and definitely it's going to be more in our next album. But it just went somewhere else.

It just didn't happen as we expected. Because the band has its own life and that's the thing. It's his own thing. Because like again, like when it comes to our death metal and like our taste and everything, Like Luana has one taste. I have another taste. You know, like old school Florida death metal and all this kind of thing. And I remember when we started, she was listening to a lot of like Swedish death metal.

Yeah. So we were like, okay, so let's have a little bit of everything. And I think when you merge all the different tastes and intentions, then it's when crypto and any other band is born. Like the band is not, unless someone owns the band, themselves and it's just one person who leads everything, then I think it can happen something that's like the band, it's completely what a person wants.

But when it's like two or three or four people deciding over the artistic part, then all our tastes and intentions together are going to create this little monster, which is the band. And that is something that also helped us on writing Shades of Sorrow. And I think we'll help. even more writing our next album, which is like, uh, sometimes I, I wanted a song to sound more like I wanted the sound. Sure.

Because it's my taste and the same it happens with Luana and everyone who writes music. But then, uh, like for instance, I'll give another example. I, on the beginning of the band, I was really like from the ashes to me, it was an extremely melodic song. And I don't like like a lot of, usually don't like a lot of too many melodies in death metal. Interesting. Yeah. So that was a problematic song from me on the beginning.

Do you remember that when we were writing from the ashes? I was going insane. Yeah, I remember. But look what happened, right? Exactly. And then now when I saw where it went and then when we were writing our second album, I tried to add some melodies because I knew. our audience would like because I knew that's what they were expecting from Crypta.

And like when you listen to Trial of Traders, which is one of the songs from the new album that I wrote the melodies, it's super aggressive, but still there's a melodic session, which is something that I would never have written on the first album. But then I myself was like, I understand that, Crypta has melodies to a certain point, and I understand that fans expect to hear these melodies. So I'll go a little bit out of my way in my taste

to create something that both makes me feel comfortable, but also delivers what fans wanna hear, because they're the main fuel for a band. You know, like, so I think, I think we kind of do that sometimes too. Like, all are different tastes. Like if Luano would have a bit of, band that is based on fully on her taste it was definitely going to be way different from what

crypto is and same with me sure i'll try to be this member number two yeah if i could so i think that's important we understood what crypto is and of course we'll always do adjustments here and there and of course it's always going to be death metal but we we i think now we know how to balance between what we like and what our taste is and what crypto actually is in the end. Yeah. So it's like you're getting out of your own way. Are you doing that?

Yeah. We're all a little bit. It's the same with the middle ground thing. We're all a little bit out of our ways. But then it's the crypto way. Yeah. It's the crypto way. Yeah.

Just let crypto just choose the way. People have been asking me, you know, what are you guys doing now? I'm like, well, I'm like, I'm just going to get out of my own way. I'm getting out of my own way. Every time I got out of my own way, cool things have happened. Having a focus, you work your ass off. But there's just times where you need to kind of like step aside and let the thing come through you. You know, as opposed to try to make it come to you.

This is kind of the flows out. So people ask me, I'm just going to get out of my own way. And then once the art is done in the songs, then my eagle will come in and start talking shit everybody. but I think it's a healthy thing. I think it's a healthy exercise we've been trying to do. It's tough. It's tough. Of course it's tough.

We like our stuff, you know. We have our own personalities. But I think it's always healthy to step back a little bit, let things flow. And then if it goes wrong, you can always come back and try the way you thought. But then I think it's very important that at least I've been trying to be more and more flexible. And me and Lou, we've been talking about some stuff regarding, you know, like, what do you think future is going to look like? And then we were way more naturally than the other times able to find a middle ground pretty easily. Yeah, this time it was just seemed to be pretty easy, actually.

Yeah, it looks like it's going to be easy. Sketchy, though. Let's see. See. Too easy. It's too easy to be true. But I think, I mean, that's maturity, you know, like we've been, me and Luana have been not only, I'm not going to say working together because we're basically living. Yeah.

Like we have a whole living together now for eight years. It's a long time. And we both evolved so much and got way more mature so much with this time. Like Luana says, like I was a completely different person. when we met than what I am now. George, she was still drinking. She was still drinking. She was still eating cheese sometimes.

Yeah. Here and there. When did you go vegan? I went vegan in 2016. Nice. Beginning of 2016. Luana got in the band by the end of 2016. And when she got in the band, I would still slip and like a cheese here and there.

Because I also didn't know like that. I could actually put, you know, like vegan stuff. I didn't know how to ask for this, you know, like, and now riders and stuff like that. So, so there would be pizza and it would be cheese. I would be starving. But now, now I know my thing, but yeah. We could share some food. Now, we still can't.

We still share food. Yeah. Not just, not my food with you, but we share your food with me. Yeah, Lou is pretty nice about the vegan thing, like, because she, we can just. I don't mind. She doesn't mind. People be too dramatic about it. It's just fucking food.

Just eat it and shut up. What about the milkshakes? Vegan. I mean, yeah. Or I'll get mine and she'll get her version of, yeah, milkshake. We actually had a very good milkshake. Our friend Eric from GateCreper. We were in Phoenix.

He was like, you have to go to this ice cream spot to Luana. He sent this and he, He was so cool that he actually cared that I'm vegan and he knows that we're always together. So he made sure he sent like a recommendation of a place that has both crazy good regular plus vegan milkshakes. And then we went there and we had the best time. Oh, cool. Yeah. What was the place called?

The yard. The yard. That's going to be tough to find. In Phoenix. Phoenix. Phoenix. That was good milkshake. Yeah.

And we eat ice cream. and it's hot as fuck outside is so sick. It's so awesome. Well, you chose a good time to become vegan. I hear like story. Obviously, you're, you probably met Derek from a great, great guy. Great guy. He was talking about being vegan in like the 90s.

Like he would carry around a jar of peanut butter. Yeah. But I was like, damn, how do you fucking? And he's a big guy. He's tall as fuck. I'm like, how do you eat peanut butter? And that's it. And it's a thing.

Yeah, that's the movement. Oh, you got it. Oh, show. Yeah. I actually have a picture of Luana and her milkshake and it's insane. The size of my head. Oh, my goodness. If you're just listening, these milkshakes are like, they're like art pieces.

Yeah, they are. You feel bad for eating them. You do feel, you do feel. There's a Ghostbusters one. You do feel punished after eating all that. Your body is like, ah, that wasn't cool. That's the one Luana got with a donut. Oh, that was a donut?

Nope. Oh, this is. So this, okay, so if you eat this, this goes to your muscles, right? It just, it just, you get shredded, like triceps. That's why I'm like this, man. I know it's pretty. Well, shout out to the yard. Your milkshake are, I never seen anything like this in my fucking life. This is very impressive. I wish they had the vegan ones like this.

This is a shout out like, hey, the vegan ones we also want to have like gummy, warms and stuff like that on ours too, but it's fine. At least they have an option. But yeah, like I can only imagine like how it was being vegan back there in the day. Now like when I started, it was still not that easy. Sure. But now you have like vegan milkshakes and vegan sushi and like Impossible Burger and all these things. But like my ex-boyfriend, he's been vegan for like almost 30 years.

And he sat and he's in an active band. And he would say that when he started like, He would literally eat bread with olive oil as dinner. Not even, actually not even olive oil. He would eat with like kitchen oil. Like, I don't know, they used to deep fry stuff. He would eat bread with that because it was the only thing he had. Or like one potato.

Like I remember he told me that once he got to a festival and he was like, so what is the vegan option back in the day? And the guy gave him a potato, a stick. And he said, you can go to that fire. like a fire going on and that was his vegan dinner like and of course like it burned the potato he couldn't eat it and and that's how it was for vegans now I'm fortunate enough that we can have vegan options here and there which makes my life easy on tour because man touring is not easy yeah what are you doing it's like you're driving at it's 2 a.m you stop at a gas station and you're just fucking hungry what do you do I usually stock up on snacks I usually like have some whole food stop and

then I stock on everything so I have my muffins I have you know like my movie movie theater butter popcorn and like my protein shakes yeah I am not I am not but then also we I make it easier for everyone even for our tour manager that I know the spots who have vegan options and also like regular food so we can always go like to IHop or like Dennis or like Cracker Barrel they have vegan options so we can all be happy and like dunking done it's on our way here they have the avocado toast i have that for breakfast just because it's easier for everyone yeah and i can have it and so that's how i i'm i'm very good at planning my food because i'm all about eating i'm hungry all the time so i plan everything so i'm not bothering anyone or giving too much work to anyone

including our tour manager so i just bring it ready i'm like hey let's just go here because we have food for everyone, including me. Are pancakes vegan? No, right? No. Unfortunately not. And they would be eating a lot of pancakes on this tour, and I'm always drooling. Yeah, pancakes are sick.

Yeah. But still, I'm very happy here. I can have a lot of good vegan options. Well, cool. Anything that I miss? Anything that you guys got coming up? We're still doing this tour. Hate Breed Carcas Harmsway Crypta.

What a dream lineup. It's been a lot of fun. We've been playing a lot of theaters, man. We had never played this many theaters before. That's cool. So we're doing, we're finishing this tour, which is the second U.S. tour we've done this year. And the U.S. is a very important market for us and it grows stronger for us. It's really, really cool to see.

And now after this, we still have like a third of the two. tour to happen and after this we're going to back to Brazil we're going to rest for like a week or something then we'll be having yeah my god this guy does work for the FBI he's got we mentioned something it's right there on the screen it helps so much thank thank you so yeah we have all these dates going on next uh on november December then next year we'll slow down a little bit we'll do like four tours or five tops but like that's a lot which is a lot only four five tours comparing to this to this year that we were non-stop on the road next year we're definitely staying for at least seven months at home like non-negotiable and that's something that we haven't been doing this year we

didn't spend like any time at home so we'll be doing tours here and there next year just because it is important that it's still out there but while we're we're at home on these seven months, at least we are at home, we'll not only be resting, because that's very important, you know, like, and for our mental health and our bodies and everything, but also we'll be writing your new album. Sick. Next year.

So there's not going to be a new album next year. Don't count on that. People are like, Shades of Sorry is a year old, you know, like almost a year old. And then people are like, you need to release something new. We're like, man, take it easy. We need some more time. We usually... I mean, as cool as it is that people are so hyped and like,

you have to release a new album. Go listen to something else next year. Go to our shows. You know, go to our keep on asking for the new album. It's cool. But also, like, so many bands are releasing cool stuff. Just while we're writing ours, so many things to recommend, you know? Actually, Luana has a video on our Instagram page

where she recommends some bands and that's something we plan i'm doing this video next so yeah that's the one and uh fuck yeah so yeah it's it's it's nice while you you were waiting for us to write an album which is happening next year there's so many other bands and also we still be playing and that's cool but we really like we are a band that we really need to take our time to sit down and write. Luana is always more eager about writing, which is pretty cool. Drummers.

Yeah. Drummer's and then fucking like million bands. Yeah. But me, I really like to take my time and have a fresh mind which I can on tour because I'm playing plus taking care of everything bureaucratic. It's tough.

So I just don't have the fresh mind for that. When I'm at home, I can think and like, of course I have ideas. I have the whole concept. of the album on my mind when it comes to lyrics and everything. I just need time to sit down and write them. So that's why we're taking this break next year. And so, yeah, a new album, basically like on the second half of 2026,

because we'll probably record it around February next year, February 2026, then releasing in 26, 2026. We just want to make sure we take our time to focus. Like, we want to make this album a very special one. I have a very nice concept going on in my mind. We have so much we want to do. But for that, we need to slow down. Still do like four tours, which is crazy.

But compared to this one, it's, it's, we're going to have seven months at home. I actually, I love being on tour. It's a privilege. But now more towers the end of, of 2024. We're tired. We're a little bit tired. We need some time off to get our minds refreshed. I'm tired.

right now. I just had a bunch of chocolate this morning. It's bad idea. It's me every morning. Yeah. I mean on tour you end up resorting to stuff you don't usually eat a lot at home. Like I don't have this many milkshades as I've been having on this tour when I'm at home. Definitely not. But I think I kind of crave more sugar when I'm touring just for the sake of having energy to do it all. Yeah. I think it's like the combination of like the gas smells and being around a bunch of people and he's crave more. Yeah. And especially on this tour.

Yeah. More bread. More bread. More sugar. Oh, we've been having a lot of bread. But yeah, on this tour, like, it's been a crazy tour, like an amazing one. But like so much to do and such a rush, we're basically living for the tour right now. We usually, like, I usually am always outside, you know, like on nature. there's a producer

that, a promoter that works with us and he joked saying like I don't know what happens. Fernanda disappears and out of Norwich she's posting stories on a top of a mountain, something like that. I'm usually like that but on this tour there's no time. We're just like playing, playing, playing. It's

fun but still and traveling a lot of traveling but yeah. Well cool. Well good luck to your future and I wish you much success. Thank you. You know, and it was nice to thank you for making time to be here. I'm honored.

I was honored to be in your band for an hour and a half. I was in crypto. It's cool. Thank you. Thank you. We could be talking for forever, but. You guys going to miss the old, uh, SoCal traffic, which is happening very, very soon. You got to play a show today, yeah.

Yeah, we still have a show to play today. And tomorrow, well, actually, tomorrow is a day off. 12 hour drive. Anyway, um, thank you so much for having us here. Such a fun chat, such a fun podcast. and I really appreciate what you do. I always say that, you know, like podcasts and shows and media, I think they're a very important bridge between what the bands want to say

and we always want to talk so much about, you know, like what we're doing and the fans want to hear. So without two and what you do, it would be a way harder path. I'm pretty sure fans enjoy it a lot and I really appreciate it. It's a very important bridge, between us and our fans. That's sick, yeah. I'll never imagine I'll be doing this crazy.

It's cool. And you're nailing it. It's really, really cool podcast. Thank you. All right, everyone, check out Crypta. Hell yeah. That's it. Later.