Garza Podcast - 159 - PEELINGFLESH: Slam Riffs, Axe Fx, Bad Trips & Quitting Your Job

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

Garza sits down in-person with Mychal Soto & Jason Parrish. Guitar players from Oklahoma City, OK slam band PEELINGFLESH. https://instagram.com/peelingfleshok SPONSORS: Sweetwater - https://imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Strings & Tunings 01:27 - Oklahoma Snow Storms 03:17 - Intro, Religion, Black Jesus 06:14 - Tuning to F 08:02 - Writing With Passion & Emotion 10:03 - Coming Up with Band Logo 11:41 - Writing “Shoot 2 Kill” 12:50 - Playing “Shoot 2 Kill” 14:38 - Writing Slam Riffs 16:58 - Writing a Song a Day/How to be Prolific 21:14 - Quitting Your Job, Making Music a Full-Time Career 27:04 - Not Giving Up, Obstacles 32:02 - Quitting Weed, Bad Trips, Anxiety & Depression 37:52 - Slam Tank Riffs 38:49 - Portal 42:38 - Bending Notes 45:05 - Pinch Harmonics, Ozzy 49:11 - Noise Gates 50:44 - Behind the Rig 54:54 - Neural DSP, Fortin Pedals 57:38 - Line 6 Spider Insane Mode 58:22 - Lone Wolf Audio Owner is Hated 1:01:46 - Riffs 1:03:11 - Bare Knuckle vs Fishman Pickups 1:04:31 - Turning Up the Amps 1:05:46 - Playing Kitchen Shows 1:09:19 - Favorite Mosh Style 1:09:53 - Meeting Your Heroes 1:17:06 - Losing/Finding Your Passion 1:18:28 - Using Rap Samples 1:19:52 - Ghostwriting 1:21:35 - Live Energy 1:23:49 - Lowriders, Cadillacs, Broke Mindset 1:28:48 - Making Money 1:29:59 - Phil Collins 1:30:15 - Slam Basics, Pinch Harmonics 1:33:04 - “Perc 3000” Jam 1:35:55 - “The Fuckening” Jam 1:37:23 - B.C. Rich Shoutout

Now, we just open up this one chugging. Oh, yeah, let's open it. So that's F. Yeah. Interesting. That's what we decided on. It wasn't an E. We decided on F.

Because I changed that. I went up. Yeah, I think of a... So this is right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one of our new songs. On midnight. But what do you actually tune to?

A. So, like... Okay, so that's what I would do. Then now it's an F. Surprisingly, the tracking's pretty accurate. Mm-hmm. It is. I'm using it first in the chain, so.

It has to be. It's just affecting the DIY. The tuning has to be on point, though, because it... If it's not, you will fucking feel it on stage. Yeah. So you gotta have a perfect tuner. Yeah. But we're got to drop bass now, too.

But I'm not too worried now because he switched to pro steels. Hmm. Y'all use pro steels? Me, Mark, and actually, D.K. used those for... No, they still use them. I used them for a long time, but I recently went to... SIT strings And I've been really liking the

What Wait a minute Are we recording? Because if so I'm putting this phone up Yeah Okay shit my bad No I go keep Stay on it man

No no no That's good My wife is just saying hi It's you know it's a big ass gap Difference of hours Between us and Oklahoma So it's like It's like a little bit later there

Also snowstorm just hit at home Snowing out there Like a motherfucker Our ice storm is about to hit Rip Ice storm Yep Ice

We get them shit and like the entire state will be covered in about six or seven inches of ice. So what's... Wet ice. What's the difference between a snowstorm and an ice storm? So the snowstorm has mad blizzard snow, but the ice storm, it'll rain and drizzle. And then within like a few hours, the temperature will drop so fast that it'll be raining above. And then by time it hits the ground and lands on something, it'll freeze instantly.

And so when it does, that means. that the power lines get about five or six feet of icicles. And they're so heavy that they... We lose power because all of the power lines will literally fall and break. My daughter was born during one of those ice storms in January. So it's like January. It's time for the ice storms to start hitting in Oklahoma. Dang, how did you get to the hospital?

Very slow. I had to drive. It was like an hour drive. It took me like five hours. And like my kid's mom was in the hospital. labor. This shit was funny. Oh my. Imagine. I was driving a fucking Dodge Ram on the fucking big ass rims.

And I'm just like, that's what I'm talking about. I feel the wheels just sliding out from underneath me. I'm sure it's funny now, but probably then, for having a heart attack. I thought it was funny. Nobody else thought was funny. No. God damn it. No. Starlo thought it was funny. My kid, when I told her about it, she laughed. Well, someone laughed, I guess

is funny, right? Yeah. Pilling Flesh. Soto, Jason, thank you for being here. Hell yeah, thank you. Oh, shit, no, no. I think that's a sign. I think that's a sign. That's how we said we were going to introduce ourselves, and that was late.

I left the tune around. Fuck. No, no, no. That was how it was meant to be. Right. That's some real healing flesh shit. That happens quite often, honestly. How you doing, Garzy?

I'm doing good. I'm alive and breathing. Today I prayed. Thank you for my food and water. My man. Fuck, yeah. Girlfriend's happy, bands alive.

Whether you're praying to a religion or whether you're praying to the universe, it's the same thing. No. I'm the universal man. He's the religious man. No? Spiritual man. Spiritual man.

Yeah. But I'm a universal man. I believe in that universal energy. Same. Remember, sometimes I could kind of tell, well, sometimes you could kind of tell where the conversation is going. If somebody will ask you, are you religious? For sure.

And then, And then you say no, they said the conversation. Okay, okay, this is kind of like you asked me a certain kind of question. I answered you. And you thought that I said that I don't believe in God, essentially, you know. It's funny how people automatically assume you believe in a white Christian Jesus if you say, I prayed. Right. Exactly.

You know what I mean? There's like a connotation there. It's like, nah, bro. That's why I. Look at that. Look at that beautiful-ass fucking universe right there, bro. That's what the white Jesus. White Jesus.

Hell no, I put in black Jesus I want to see black Jesus Dude Jesus is where the rips come from Dude hell yeah Fucking love that show That's sick oh shit What show? You know, black Jesus bro

That's a show Yeah that's a TV show You gotta watch it No it's not a show If you've never seen that bro Yeah the zoom in That fucking show is amazing It's on adult swim

If that makes sense I'm gonna lie I don't think I've ever seen this either Really? I used to watch this Because it would come on In the middle of the fucking night Dang, this is hardcore.

Oh, it's hilarious, bro. Let's watch this in the bus. Wow. I think you would honestly, bro, you're gonna fucking find this hilarious. Okay, so is this like a TV series or is this like a movie? Oh, it's a TV series on Adult Swim. But look, it's got all of our fucking favorite actors. That's what's his face?

It's a comedian. Yeah. God's fucking name. When has come out? He's crazy. Shit, like 2014 or something like that. 2015 maybe. Look,

Charlie Murphy. Oh, shit. Charlie Murphy. Rest and peace. Rest in peace. Oh, RIP, Mr. Whistpoon. Yeah,

this is a star-studded cast. God damn. All right, we're running out of minutes on the card. Let's roll. Yeah, yeah. We're rolling.

No, we're rolling and chugging. Right. Whose idea was it to, so I didn't know this all right now. You guys are, so you're tuning the F? We're pitching to F. Pitching it.

Why? You guys, it wasn't enough? no no well i mean well i mean all right so jason i have a weirdtism where like a weirdtism

like any any pale like that word any pale like that word song like jay like that word a lot any peeling flesh song you've heard there's a demo of it from the start that is in drop e or drop g or drop f

something so i write everything in lower tuning Facebook was in drop e like literally yeah i have the demo on my phone right now of it but it's like i can the melodies are easier for me for some reason when it's pitched down.

And also... Really? Yeah. So you remember last time we were here, we were talking about DJ Screw, we were talking about Chopin' Screwed music? Yeah. You know, the reason... I've been saying for years, rap, or slam his gangster rap, because

Chomps and Screwed music is taking it, slowing it down, pitching it down. And, you know, I said last time we were here, like, it really does change the whole emotion and the vibe of the song. Like, you can take a song, and you slow it down, and you pitch it down a few more notes. it changes the entire melody structure of the fucking song and it will change the emotion from either something from sad to like maybe something to the it's a little bit more depressing

you know what I mean and so these songs not tying ourselves to a tuning like I don't like we'll write in whatever tuning like by the time we're done with it we'll decide whether we can play it in A you know what I mean like some stuff just because of the notes like we can still play it in A even if it was wrote lower

because like I will say that recently I have been writing in A a lot more Yeah for sure Your riffs have like Step up though That's the reason why Like he's been writing some stuff

That's like very I've been writing a song a day For a minute A song a day? Yeah How long? Since the album Yeah

Since Gcode So Gcode dropped in September So if you haven't heard it Go go jamming Yeah please check that shit out Honestly I will say Gcode was my

Challenge for everybody Kind of Because I wanted to be Like I wanted to be riffy but not technical, like super technical. Just a little flash. A lot of this stuff was brought to the table in FL studio demo form.

Like when I wrote it, I was like, I told them, I was like, it's going to be, I was like, I'm excited to put it out because it's going to be a little different because it's not just random slam riffs. It was more like heart into it. So I was like kind of worried about when we put it out, how it was going to be perceived. Yeah, people don't really like whenever you put emotion into slam. We're not putting emotion into it in the way that people are thinking all sad and shit. Well, I mean, music is, I don't know, music is universal.

The G-Code had more pain in it and more suffering and more. I mean, you know, like, whenever you go through something in your life and then you listen to the record that you put out during that time, you can kind of reminisce and be a little nostalgic on the depression you went through? Yeah. It's the same thing. Whether it was depression or whether it was excitement or whether it was challenges, whether it was something. every single song may sound like a dumb slam song to everybody else but we're passionate about this dumb slam shit for sure and people get love into it yeah it's weird that people have a problem with it people forget that like it's like the wrist might sound them but that comes from like a they're just scared to show their

emotions they just have therapy they need to get through there we go after shit early i'm saying i'm i'm freaking sure you can fuck with that you guys ever been therapy that's my garage by the way is it yeah nice yeah that's that's that's a That's where I built all the shit for the bus. That's where I work on everybody's shit. That's where... Nice. And we just moved everything out and shot a music video in it.

We hung a light from the ceiling. DiCarlo almost died. He almost fell off the ladder. Who came up to the logo? Oh, shit. Joey knew the people to hit up. Because Joey is the mastermind when it comes to names and logos.

Right? So he's always hit us with the people. Like, yo, let's go to these people. Yo, let's choose this name. And it's like, every band I've been in with him, He chose the name for it. It's, but yeah.

What was the question? Who, I asked, who came up with the logo. Oh, yeah, with the logo. Yeah,

Root Dead logo. Shout out Root Dead. Shout out, like, another country, homie that charges like mad cheap that we just pay more anyways.

Nice. $40. Yeah. Sick. Yep. That's great. Congrats. Made a banger.

Sometimes, Sometimes the logo could be more important than the band name. Literally. Ours. Yeah. And what's funny is, I feel like we're the only band that's not holding ourselves to one logo. Maybe there's others out there, but I can't think any off the top of my head. Like, we have multiple logos.

Like, we have two logos that we will use. And people are like, which logo do I use? And I'm like, if you need to ask, use the branchy one. Yeah. I'm like, if it's a fest where you need people to, like, read it more legible, then use the original one. The one with, you know, they're both sick. You know, we might do a third one. I still do, like, both of them, too.

Oh, I forgot you. You do have more than one logo? Yeah. Do any other bands have more than one logo? Technically, we have a third if you count the SGG. Because people see that and they already know. They think it's a little bit of us, yeah. That's just a genre name, bro.

That's sick. Yeah. Shoot the Kill. Who came up with that riff? This man. A lot of those songs came with a table demo for him. Yeah. But then whenever we got in the room, we, like, finished them.

Like, some stuff was done completely. Like, all we had to do is retract it. And then some stuff, he was like, this needs an ending. Okay. Or, like, this needs, it's missing something or something. Let's go back through it. And, like, or I'll get something, and then I'll put it into the computer, and then I'll go through it.

I'll learn his riff, and then I'll not rewrite the song. Take the song and add the Soto Edge. I think Facebook was like that? Yeah, Facebook was like that. Because I listened to the demo, and I was like. It's ain't the same. The second half of the song is in there. I was like, oh, shit, I forgot about that.

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff from everything that we've done that we just, we'll change it. Nothing is done, literally. Nothing is done until the moment I send that email to the label with the finals. I mean, I've even pushed shit back just to finish something and be like, I'm not giving this to you until I finish this one thing. Like, it just has to be done. Please just let me do it. Probably drives your band insane. No, they don't care.

They're just like, whatever, bro. We're over here, chill with. We'll wait on you. How do you play that riff? It's one of those riffs. It's like, it's simple. Shoot to kill. The hammer on.

How do you? Seven from stuffed on site and play the spender. Okay. It's like a hammer. All right, let me just love it down. Yeah. Oh. Index on four.

Yeah. Oh. Sort of like that, yeah. and then four. You had it right, yep. Yep, that was it. Did you, dude,

yeah. Let's play the opening roof. Right. We'll go ahead and play up until the riff changes. That's a sick rip, dude. One, two, three, four. Oh, I come in with you right there,

but yeah, pretty much that. It's, again, simple, but effective. Super simple. Simple and effective. You know, my favorite riff is the most simplest, probably the most simplest riff we have, which is beginning of face fucked with a shovel. So I try to do, like, because slam is just, right.

So I try to make it just a little more challenging and do that jump around shit. So it's not just like one, two, three, one, you know what I mean? It's like, Facebook does. And it can be. It has its moments. Where it's just like, you're moving a little bit more. The idea is still there, basically. Let's talk about slam chords.

Okay. So is it, hmm. Okay, so there is. I have a couple of thoughts One Okay so are you So when you're doing like The hammer on stuff

And then and then you're chugging Are you going Emotion base And then you put in the mind later Hey maybe I should make this a little bit more Party party vibe It kind of starts like Because I'm like

I want to make something flashy But simple Because I know I'm gonna have to teach him So I'm like I don't want to like Fuck him up and like bring some crazy shit To the thing Because some stuff is He brings some shit to the table

able to do it's too hard like so he plays he plays hard the shit that's really hard and i can play it now yeah you know i honestly i like that because that means that i get to become a better guitar player because he's already a good guitar player and it's not to say it likes me better not to say like he sucks a guitar i do but it's like i think about it like i'm like i'm like we're gonna be on stage playing this so i don't want to like yeah so i'm like i want it to be a little bit Remember we've talked about that too. When we write music, we write songs, we write it while thinking about what it would look like playing it on stage, what my bass player is going to look like playing the bass parts, what the drummer's going to look like playing the drum parts, how good D is going to look at the middle of stage. Mine's always music videos.

You know what I mean? Like the vibe of like everyone playing the song that you're writing. Yeah. I think about it in like music video form. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird. It's kind of imaginative music video in our.

head while we're writing the song. Yeah. Interesting. And people don't like that, huh? I don't know. I guess they would rather us stand in a room with our bandmates and just write in a room.

Our dicks. Yeah. And I'm like, no, man, I paid money for a computer. I'm about to use it. I'm about to use it all the time. A song a day, too. Yeah, this will be putting shit out like crazy. Like, we, G-code is finished.

PF Radio 2 is demoed completely. And whenever we get home from the aborted run, we're going to get that shit recorded. But since we finished demoing out PF Radio 2, which we were playing demos during the headliner, right? We already had some demos that we were showing the homies during the headliner. Sure.

When we got home, this fool wrote a fucking album in an EP. And then me and him wrote another EP in a weekend together just to see if we could write it by Sunday starting on Friday. I sent him two songs. What's that show? What's that called? Buties ain't on shit. The buddies ain't on shit.

people have people have I hope people are stoked are going to be stoked as fuck to like hear that stuff because honestly that shit that we wrote in that weekend just that weekend alone was just like ignorant dumb caveman heavy as heavy and fast as fuck and like slow as fucking fast as fuck cool ass beats

badass slam sample the shit I was talking to you about the demos the new demos I want to show you are like I'm very stoked about because I've been very studying But I gotta slow him down Because now we gotta work on PF Radio 2 And he's already an album And an EP ahead of us

Well I need him to teach me the fucking song So that way I can get the shit tracked So that's some old shit Way of bringing up old shit Yeah I'm like bro we ain't even fucking tracked it yet I'm like slow down Jason

Jason how do you do that It sounds like you're very like prolific Are you just sitting down daily Can I get a definition, please? I'm gonna wake up, not smoke weed, and is fucking... Speaking of, you got that thing rolled up? It's because I give a fuck about the music and where we're going.

It's like, uh... That's hard to explain. All right, so me and them have been talking lately about songs. And, like, writing songs. Yeah, I want to, like, have music, if that makes sense. Like, something that... Not just random slam, like, shit to put together. I want to, like, make music.

Yeah. it to where like I've been writing shit where the the original riff comes back in it's like it was like made for d basically so he can have his like hooks like a fucking a vocal hook yeah yeah and like um what we'll call well we treat literally guitar riffs like vocal parts like like a guitar hook like bringing back the guitar hook you know what I mean like from from earlier in the song like that's just something that we haven't done a very like a whole bunch I don't even think at all really where it's usually like riff and then and then it changes and then the song changes and then the song changes and yeah something don't usually come back or one song is like completely one riff just slowing down

through the whole song like because that's what slam is like like this repeats and repeats and the drums which is cool but that shit it's just the same shit over and over just like it sounds good I love how much you guys love it oh bro I love how much you guys love it oh bro I love how much you guys guys love it. Our band is... It's a blessing and occurs for sure. It's almost like sometimes we're fans of our own band

viewing it from the outside and then like and then we're forced to go on the road and realize oh shit we're that band that we like that we listen to in the bus which is how it's supposed to be because it's your music.

It's supposed to be your take on music. It's almost like people who are scared to show that they like their own music they'll scare to wear their own merch and shit. I'm like, fuck that. You got some good shit. Wear that shit. Where that shit?

For sure. No rules. Especially brand new fresh tea at the box. Hell yeah. And we love showing people are doing most. Like we're stoked about our music. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, fuck. We actually made a career out of it. You're not supposed to do shit like this. We are brought to you by Sweetwater, the number one online retailer for pro audio and music instruments. Whenever the band or myself need anything for a tour, we always go to Sweetwater. The customer service is the best and fastest. If you need any music here and want to support the podcast, click the link in the description below so they know that you came from here. I just heard this morning that your

bass player, Austin, he quit his job. Yeah, we're all jobless. That's a big, that's a big moment. Yeah. Last time we were here, I think I was the only jobless one. And now, I'd be a doordash. No. D had to quit before the suicide silence tour. I remember that. that me and him were the only jobless ones, but now coming back, all five of us, this is our job. Congratulations, dude. Wow. It's because of y'all.

No, don't say that shit. No. It's be, hey, it takes somebody paying attention. Y'all did get that ball rolling. I will say that. Yeah. You guys want to know the real story? What's up?

Dan Kenny was probably drunk as fuck. He was probably trunk as fuck one night and found any guys. Hell yeah. So thank the keeler or something because he probably got hammering and founding guys. No. I'm going to think all of y'all because y'all. had to take us on the tour with y'all Daniel Kenny, hell yeah

there he is fuck that guy dude would have pain in my ass he's gonna be our manager one day man that guy can't he imagine imagine himself hey guys you didn't hit the road love you brother

for real I'm missing man I'm hoping you were gonna make a guest appearance today for real what a massive moment who knew oh hell yeah oh bro who knew that's where Rips come from

That's where Rips That man looked just like Jesus Yeah just Remember like Austin said it I was like this wow It's a real big moment Yeah I remember Yeah when I quit my job

At the hospital They were about to give me Like a really big promotion Because I went there From a dishwashing job So I went into a hospital Basically doing the same thing

cleaning like blood and instruments Right before surgery Yeah, damn. And I went in there busting my ass, and they pretty much offered me, hey, you could work over here and get paid a lot of money. Basically, I would have been set for life. I would have been, like, family, kids, house. And then we, that was right when we got the tour for, with Osher Parish,

20005. I know them. Yeah. So we kind of had to, like, I was at that moment, like, I was like, man, am I going to tour full time? Or am I going to take this promotion? Give me a second, D. I'll light that here in just a minute. Light up right now, dude.

Fire that up, Roy. Please. Fired it up, dude. It's Mr. Nasty time. Dude, you know what's crazy? I'm trying not to get too excited, but I try to do things in my life now. I try to do things in my life now like that,

where you could just go off the bridge and not have any doubt. Yeah. Because it's funny because when you get older, you do things, be like, ah, you have all of the, like, douse, and you don't want to take, like, you don't want to take that next step, but I try to, like, go back to, like, that early 20s,

like, man, how did I do that? Yeah. I just quit, and it was not even a big deal. Man, I quit later on in life. Well, I mean, I started the music part later on in life. I was busy raising my kid up until she was, like, nine years old. Now, you're like late 20s, right? I'm 36 this year.

Wow. Or 37 this year. But that, but that's when you were starting to that. I've been, well, I mean, I've been, pursuing music since I was 25. I've been playing guitar my whole life, but I actually decided, I was like, you know what, I'm going to do something with music and figure out how to make this a real thing, because it seems doable.

Seems doable. And now I'm, like, pushed off into the ocean, and I feel weightless, but I'm cool with it. I'm a little scared. I mean, I'm not going to lie. But I think there came a point where it was, like, I don't even have time to work a real job. Yeah. I can't. Like, I'm sorry, but, like, I got four days out of the week that, like, you know what?

I know you need me, but, like, I got merch orders. I need to ship. I got emails I need to reply to. I got music I need to work on. I got a tour I need to work on. I got this. I got the van. That's what was getting me, too, is I'd be at work and I'd be thinking about riffs.

Right. I'd be like, damn. I need to be at home. Yeah. Wow. Sometimes I do miss the days of driving home fast as fuck to write that riff on lunch. Yeah. Record.

export it and then haul ass back by the time I get halfway back it's already... Thanks, Dee. By the time I get halfway down the road, it's uploaded into Google Drive and I can bump that shit in my car and I'm like, fuck yeah. Like sometimes I miss that. Because like now it's so accessible that I

catch myself spending days where I don't even grab the guitar. Which kind of sucks whenever it comes to your job, you notice you kind of play it less. Unless you're like extremely extremely passionate about it. Also, I have to play mine like double because

autism sucks so I have to like I'm trying to make sure I'm on point for these dudes make sure I do my job what you say Jason he's trying to

he's trying to be on point with his riffs no uh you're oh you just say that word again wordtism word tism yes welcome tism tism

tism but no it's fucking rd day time it's like uh I don't know and this shit is fucking good is that lavender is that lavender

that lim and limin lavender rinkin on that bullshit pack I mean no disrespect Is weed Alright here take this away for me Because otherwise I'm gonna get way too fucking blitzed That's mine No bro we got conversations to have

Dee thank you for these flip Are you crazy as hell Nice All right sick So you're So yeah What do you do like when you're Because there's

I mean a lot of people listening watching you're right that's fun so there's a lot of our listeners kind of range from all ages but I know like people want to start their own bands and kind of struggle

with uh they're like trying okay I'm working but I want to write songs I'm trying to get my shit off the ground like how do you like how did you do that like okay I have a riff I'm going to literally rush home speed home and like how did you make that step

it's hard to explain. I was the only one who wanted it. I was the only one that I was around that wanted it. So, like, I think that in itself made me want to do it even more. It's because I felt like... It is very cliche, but not giving up is the first fucking step, for sure. Well... Totally.

It's a mindset that you're in that, like, giving up isn't even an option. Yeah, for sure. Like, it's never an option. It's always, I'm going to do whatever it takes to do what it is I need to do. Just take your time. Take your time. Seriously. Be patient.

And do literally whatever kind of crazy thing that you think is crazy to you. Doesn't matter. Just do it. Like if it's you creative at 100%, just do it. Like don't write for other people. That's funny because I kind of had to go through that. I think most of us did because I was in, we were all in different bands. And then we all weren't in bands, basically, for a minute.

So we kind of had to wait on Soto. I was busy. Yeah. I was busy with Aberent Construct, and I was busy with Strangled, and I was busy meeting the love of my life and getting married. And then as soon as I started flying back from getting married, I was flying back from Hawaii, I hit up D and was just like, yo, you hit me up about starting a band. And we started this one with like no mindset.

It was just, let's get in a room and laugh and pass around the guitar. and like whatever comes from that like we'll make that our set. I was already going to his house roofing. Yeah, we're like showing him some slam shit and whatever. That's what I was trying to do. Hell yeah. That was a good ass show. Did you have it already in your mind that I'm going to take a break and come back to it?

Or did it just kind of or I left, I'm not coming back? Or what was your? I stepped away because I had other things going on in my life. I'm not going to talk about on the podcast because of incriminating shit. But I put down the guitar whenever I was 13. I handed my mom, both of my guitars, just like, you should hold on to these. I don't know if I'll ever want them back, but maybe one day. And then I went and did a bunch of dumb shit with a bunch of people,

and we did a lot of dumb things. I was going to keep saying that. And then I went to a party one time, and there was a dude, playing guitar in the back room that lived there. And I was just like, let me see that. And I started playing riffs that I was playing as a kid. And it started clicking. Came back to you.

I don't know what happened. Like, I really don't know why that point. Like I was like, bro, I was wearing dickies and Nikes, South Pole shirts, bandanas, lowriders with, you know, more people that look like me, the same ethnicity. Like obviously we were doing things. You know what I mean? And we show up to a party thinking we were going to crash this party. and somebody was playing guitar in the back room,

and I went back there and seen it, and it randomly sparked me to want to pick it up. It never leaves you. It never leaves you. It didn't just come back. It came back with a vengeance. It got to the point where I was staying home. I was staying home playing guitar, playing Slipknot. I was getting Slipknot albums and learning every single song

all the way through to where I could just play the album and play every song until it repeated. And then I realized that everybody was kind of just like doing their own thing, and I was the only one at the house doing this. And then me playing guitar was bothersome to some people. They're like, yeah, we're trying to party and hang out. And you're wanting to play guitar. Like, what if we gave you some weed to like not?

And I'm like, you know, this is my house. You could just like leave. Get away from those people, man. I did. I legitimately hopped in my car, ditched my house, ditched everything in it. And I went to lot and started a new life. And that's where I met Kramer, our sound guy.

Shout out Kramer. Shout out Kramer. Random. Queue the tag. We got to put the tag right here. Cramertorium. Welcome to the Cramertorium. That's what we call it since he runs sound for us now.

Since he's running sound, we call it the Cramatorium. Cremontorium. Cramer without the racism, though. Oh, my God. There we go. Cancellable, well, what worth it? But worth it. Hey, Jason, so you don't smoke weed.

Nope. Why? Let's go. Did you stop it so much? Did you stop at some point? Tell them. I don't know. Last time we were here, I think I explained a little bit.

I can't remember, but I did a lot of acid and fuck my head up. Yeah, here we go. Violent images. Tell them about the loop. It's fucked up. A loop will definitely break you. What's a loop? I was stuck in a loop for a minute.

An image loop? For like years. Like when you do acid and something kind of loops in your mind. That's sick, bro. You know it's crazy? is like acid is that it's called acid loop no it's crazy i haven't ever i haven't had that loop

until you said that now it's happening but fans over no that's also why i don't fuck with like gore shit anymore and like his loop is a baseball bat coming at his face really fast over and over is it yeah and that that loop broke what happened was i was tripping i did two tabs and i was with like ten homies in an apartment

and somebody put on resident evil and like all the gore and shit fucked me up and I was like that's a terrible thing to watch fire your trip and also I would not recommend so also uh so you're also really into like horror movies and so this actually explains why you're not

into the gores you know that you're more into like the psychological well it's kind of always been like that because the gore shit is just there for gore it's like true they kind of think about it like the movies not even that good we're the generation that stepped into gore because I'm still like I'm still like

I want to watch watching movie but I'm like because of horror movies are just like you're you already know what you're there for. It's just for the kills which can be cool. Which don't get me wrong because I used to fuck with the graphic for sure but I think movie magic is really cool so

I mean I love paranormal shit and I love psychological shit and we into the alien shit now the alien horror movies like fourth kind and like a fire in the sky fourth kind maybe fourth kind is fucking nuts with Mia whatever her bitch how did you

Oh my gosh I don't know how to say your last How did you get out of the loop Jason Oh shit Oh shit God First of all I'm gonna say that right now

Big GOD The big G Mad blessed. Wow Fuck Mid mad blessed For sure Uh

And then just like Trying to stay as healthy as possible Being around these motherfuckers right here We don't We take shit seriously Probably saved my life more than they know. How old were you when you're going through the loop? 19, no.

Like 21 to like 25, 26. I'm like that. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And I'm still like I have a, what's it called? Tism. The, now. It starts with the D.

Dism. Delusions? Not displacement. It's like a disassociation. Dissociation. I'm still stuck in that To where it's like I feel like I'm

It's like I'm living my life Through a movie screen Like a camera Okay Like I'm like permanently zoned out Basically Is okay Is a mental process

That involves a disconnect Yeah From one's thoughts That's a memory sense of identity Wow We all have fun little names attached to us In the band But I'm still like

It's getting better for sure it's definitely not as bad like I haven't even thought about that shit until we were sitting here talking about it and I'm like damn I'm sick I actually like I told him the other day that was like two days ago I was like damn I have anxiety because I don't have anxiety anymore like that

and I was like it's crazy what the heck did you just say you ever shit just be going good and that shit makes you nervous wow yeah so like it disappears and you're like wait wait wait wait wait wait why my anxiety gone I've been living with that for 50 fucking years It's not gone, but it's definitely, that's so much more healthy, dude.

I equate mine to going through so much last year that, like, I'm so over it. There can't much more go wrong at this point. And I'm like, that actually made this run really easy for me. Like, I had no anxiety this whole time. It's, I think people, like, just humans in general, the fear, our fear comes from control. And as soon as you let that control go, it's so much better, bro. It's true. Just focus on your positives.

Fuck the negatives. The negatives are going to be there. Yeah. They're always there. No point to worry about it. It's going to happen. Whatever's going to happen. I'm being pretty optimistic about it being somebody who goes through suicidal depression.

Same. Big same. It's definitely not as bad. Welcome to Rip City, man. Right. That's what it takes to be in a fucking band. I was definitely on the edge for a long time after that. Is that why you're just riffing every day?

That's why, huh? That's why there's passion in the music. Yep. Yeah. That's why there's, that's why there's heart in the music. Comes out. The wavelengths in me come out through this. Yeah.

This is just our tool to speak our mind. Like, we don't want to talk on a big stage. We just want to play guitar and let that be the voice of what it is that we were feeling at the time when we wrote it. And it's like, and even if he wrote the song, all the elements that all of us put into it is just as important. And so it's like nobody feels less than the other one just because Jason wrote the basis. I definitely also make sure that there's parts for everybody in the song. I don't know how, but make everybody shine. Yeah.

Like don't write a song just to make yourself shine. Like write it so that way everyone shines with it. It is for all of us collectively. Slam is one instrument. Slam is one instrument. Yeah. I mean, it's a big ass. Chene.

It's a big ass tank. Big guys take flying down the highway crushing slam tank dude a slam tank hard That's the next song damn that's the bus man now we came up with some good song names slam tank slam tank We need to go to the flea market and get a slam tank sticker for the windshield hard Let's play some riffs put it back in a yeah You hear this dumb ass riff I made for the next shit yep do it learn it but I think the hardest one is wig split that's just hard to play that's a portal last riff you know portal portal portal that band from Australia they have the clockhead

no portal no just real droney fucking portmato yeah never this band bro you are on it what the heck is this you never heard a portal bro who what this is a nightmare this is nightmare okay if you're just listening uh what they're wearing is death point worth looking up It's a... Glamar funner. So he uses it. Can we give volume for like 10 seconds, Jay? Yes.

Play 13 frothy globes. I'm just playing. Play this one. Let this one play. No, I need to play curtain. Curtain? Curtin is the introduction to parole. You think so?

Yes. Okay, let's find the perfect section so we don't get flagged. Oh, bro. This video is... This video is... Dun. Where should we play it from? I would go to like three...

Go to two minutes. see what's there right there is this it all right it's just a wave of depression oh wave of the it's just dark this is this is nightmare music

there's nothing darker than like if you put this on headphones and just submerge yourself it is fucking this is like real evil of the world type music yes like there's nothing scarier than real life yeah you know what I mean and then you look up their lyrics I was my next question

they are all in Latin and that's an Edgar Allan Poe theme for the video. Yeah. It's like this giant worm coming out of the ground. Why are the lyrics in Latin? I don't know.

Sure. We don't know, bro. They are very mysterious. So they're from Australia. Yes. But the lyrics are in Latin. We were talking about how we would love to see them live, but we could probably only handle it once.

I was like, I got to figure out what he's saying, and I was like, oh, never mind. Yeah. So were you reading this and then translating it? was you personally no this is I looked at that

and I was like never mind let me just listen to it I'll listen to that yeah we should translate those lyrics I wonder what y'all should check out

portal though like on y'all's own oh that's an Italian uh Latin I'm pretty sure that's Latin right it looks like Latin yep

from the egg here to four to cope with obsoles damn to cave the Lord forgive me yeah he's channeling some fucked up shit. I don't even know what the fuck

he's saying right there. I love that. The artist in me absolutely loves that. You're right. It does sound like, it sounds like a nightmare. It looks and sounds like a nightmare. Just don't watch it at night. We're driving to the Grand Canyon. But anyway. That's a terrible idea.

The point of that is because they have riffs that go. Yeah. They have stuff like that. I do that shit. So I did... Wow, dude. That's a sick riff. That shit has a little John St. Blune 2. It's hard as Fuck, bro. So that came from a portal.

Might get you. Well, the idea. Just of like, because I was like, man. That's the idea that you got bends. It's hard to explain. Like, once you listen to them, those riffs really get stuck in your head,

and you're like, damn, what's nice. I love, like, I'm a rap play it. I do. And it's also just, it feels good. That.

It just feels good to do that. It's scary. I feel like if you ever bend, like a rib especially in like heavy music chugging like it just it's just you could kind of you keep more emotion comes out it breaks it up you just like it breaks up the fair ones just like kind of like it breaks up the the staleness remember spaceectomy holy shit has been a massive I see I'll do shit like that just to fuck with them yeah yeah all right let's do it uh right here the point is to like start the note bent if that makes

Like, so, oh, interesting. But also having, here's the, here's the cool part about Slam is having the messy part where you hear that note bend into the next note. So like, it's also the, you know what I mean? That's nasty. It's a language. Yeah. I want to see some suicide silence with some bids like that. Oh, yeah.

I do our first record, I was about to show you guys. Yeah, oh that's Fuck, I know that That's not even a rip That's a fucking emotion What song is that? In a photograph Yep

Damn, banger I'm gonna slow that shit down Yeah, that's like, it's, it's not a riff It's what you were feeling Right That's like, I can't put a word to it That's angry I was fucking feeling

We have a word It makes like it's hard Weeping become a thing It's like more alive Like we want to make the pinches weep like that. He knows how to make it weep. I'm trying to remember the ending

to Custer because we have those hard-ass pinches in it. You ever thought about that, Garza? The fucking... What? So I'll do pinches where it's like... Like on a... What is it?

Fucking... Where it's like... Instead of moving notes, you're moving notes here. Oh! I haven't done that in a minute. That's sick. Yeah. I feel like those are forgotten.

I haven't seen any... That is. That is make a move. Okay. He played his own riffro. The appealing flesh has the best reminding site. Thank you.

Those like pinches. We don't hit them all. Never do. We've been getting better though. We've been getting better for sure. What's really nice is when you and your other guitars hit that same pinch and it rings through the venue. I love that.

Oh, man. Exactly. Exactly. We'll be sitting in the bus. Everybody's watching the videos after. the show and like we'll see you when I'm like oh shit and I'll run across like Jason look and then watch and just

I'm like oh that's it that's the one you know let's do that again you know what that is what that's the appealing flesh mating call oh hell of yeah I haven't used that yet it is now we also have what is the fuckinging

oh the that bin though oh yeah yeah Do you guys just, like, sit there and just, like, practice that? I mean, when we're warming up, we grab the guitar. The first thing we do to, like, get our strings in tune is to start pinching on all of them. I mean, that right there, we'll let you know if it's...

That feeling of just that... Yeah. It's so good. Something about that first time you hear in no more tears. Yes. Damn, yes. I don't know. I've never played it before.

You know what I'm talking about? And then what else? Osborne. Mm-hmm. with uh but that was zach wild on guitar shout out Zach Wilde you know what I'm talking about you know the song No more tears

Oh yeah yeah yeah It has the best pinches in it We talked about It was Mark's idea We talked about perhaps Covering this song Here it is Here it is

She say she want to come up She say she won't A-Fug Feeling Flesh meeting call Is there you go God damn he's looking at me scary Don't look at me like that Why he looked like that

That is scary. Right? I need to practice now. Now, you need to turn the gain up, because. The way you guys do, like, the triple. What did he say? Awesome. I think the reason why we hit the pinches so well, too,

is because we are diming the shit out of, like, the Eagle Powerball on our Axe FX's. Yeah. Like, it really is pretty fucking high game. We're using three gates. Three gates? Yeah, because there's two that you can use, and there's one on the input.

So, like, we have three gates, and like two EQs that are like double scooping. Oh wow. Yeah, but like all of that is what helps get the fucking. Yeah, for the harmonics, you kind of need that high gain stuff. You have to have the high gain. But also an angle really has that good brightness so that way you can get it out of it.

You know what I mean? Right. With the flashlight. The flashlight. I guess technically speaking I have three gates. I have one, I've dissolved in front of that. And I had the gate in there. But with the Zool, you could do that, like...

To the effects loop. Yeah, you could do that weird. Like, what... Well, you have to use a splitter. It sends the clean D-I signal to the Zool, which is running through the effects loop, and it's a good, clean gate. It's the best gate I've ever had. I have, like, two just sitting on the shelf of the house.

It's honestly... I'll never sell them, even though I'll never go back to a pedal board. I'll still never sell them just in case I, like, set up something for someone. They're perfect. They are the sickest. I try to pretty much all, and I went back to that one. It's like having three gates. Like literally, it's like having three gates.

That's it. They have a one knob and they have a three knob. I like the one knob. I think that the Zool Plus with the three knobs kind of worked a little bit better because I could adjust it depending on how loud I was being in the venue. Oh, so if you had to adjust it, you could... You can actually go in and mess with the hold and release settings, like of the gate.

Which is fucking awesome. Especially like... We're always trying to run the highest gain possible. Of course. like being overtly fucking fucked up. That's me when I see Ernie. I'm fucking pissed, dude. It's like, God.

Another day? That's Dan Kinney when we sent him back to y'all's bus. We got that text. Please don't get him fucked up like that and send him back again. He pissed on the fridge. We got that. Oh, shit. What the hell he holds three phones?

What the fuck? So, yeah, I guess it's a good time to talk about the rig, dude. Yeah, let's talk about. Okay, so this is your actual... This is it. So this is us minus amps and cabs. Like, this is us running into the PA when we show up to the venue. But we have an output with no cab so we can run it into the power amp section of our EVH 5153s.

They go into our Vader cabs. These are definitely the hearts. Yeah, but this right here is where we're getting all the distortion from. People always ask, like, how are you using it? I'm like, it's a literal glorified pedal board. It has reverb, phaser, EQ, so I can get it a radio sound, pitch, has clean, has leads for me and him. It's everything that I need. Just set it off to the side.

I can buy one for $700 on reverb all day. These particular AX-EX-E. Yeah, the AX-A. And I would love to get the smaller one, but, I mean, this thing works perfectly. And we could fly with it. And we have flown with it. Like, we were scared to fly, but like... It's a game changer.

It's game changer. This is it. This is what we fly with for guitars. And bass will be just as small. We have another AX8 at home that we're about to set up for him. And then basically this pedal board right here through MIDI going into this one, splitting out and going into that one, I control both of us with this.

I can turn on his effects and leave effects off of mine, turn effects on mine and leave effects off of his for leads and shit. You know what I mean? Depending on who's doing it. Pause. Ooh, first pause. That was not the first one. I said one earlier.

A fresh pause. Can you walk people through the signal chain? Because you have one MIDI that controls both of them, correct? Yeah. Okay. I would probably start from the Axe Effects, though, because this really is just an extension of these buttons right here. Okay. But it is a...

Hold on. Let me turn this. Okay, yeah. Like, the first thing I have in there for whenever I want the pitch thing, I have a pitch pedal, which is off on everything. That's first. On all the scenes, except for the one that I need for the pitch. And it goes straight into it, 808 drive, which is like their TS808 and Ibanez Tube Screamer.

No gain, but with like the tone knob at about 75%, so I'm getting brightness with a little bit of low cut. So I can just add a fuck ton of low end from other areas, wherever I scoop it. And then that goes into a gate automatically, which goes into an amp, which is the energy ball, X-Effects energy ball. which is mad scooped. Like mad scooped. And then we just have like whenever we want to run out to the front of house, like from the XLR output, we just go, we have a Mesa, I.R. So that's what I'm trying to say.

A Mesa IR in there that kind of blends with the Vader cab sound on stage like we talked about earlier. Yeah. Like the stage sound is Vader, but the P.A has Mesa's sound. Got it. So both of them mixed together. Like, my favorite sound is V-30s and those eminent speakers that comes in the Vaters. So, like, both of those together, it gets the sound that I want. And I like to run them at four-ooms if I can.

I see. That's sick. That's all this is, has the reverbs and everything in it. Same thing for him. And then Austin's is going to, what's nice is I can turn our tuners on at the exact same millisecond. Which means it, like, for, like, little parts of the songs that... Waltz. Sorry.

For, like, some parts of the songs. If I want to, like, mute me and him because the song stops and has a little muty part, like, it really does help us do it a lot cleaner because we're running high gain so high that sometimes even our three gates won't catch it. Yeah, yeah. So, like, this really does help because we will squeak. We still squeak. Like, I don't know, it's rock and roll, baby.

Who cares? I mean, sometimes you're going to feed back. Let it feed back. Fuck it. I had to play in Houston with just a guitar, a cable, and an amp and cab. No gates, no pedals, no nothing. I just had to dime out my 50-150 with no gait. That's what I'm talking about.

That shit was fucked. I loved it. I was like, well, time to go back to the basics. What did you use on the new record? Oh, shit, NeuroDSP. Hmm. Okay. I was telling you earlier, I was like, you should use the grind pedal into the granifier or whatever.

How do you say it? The Omega amp. Oh, yeah. You should try that. Use the Mick Thompson preset, scoop the mids. Yep. And turn the gain all the way up. Turn the brightness up.

Turn the lowness up. and that is peeling stone. Yep. Nice. I mean, it's literally that. Just fucked. But I have to use one of the other plug-ins in front of it because I turn the pedals off on this.

I have to, because I want the grind pedal, and this don't have the grind pedal in it. Which is the Fort and Grind. You know what I'm talking about? Yes, I've seen it. You fuck with Fortin pedals? Only the Zool. You have to try the grind, the 33.

You got to try his distortions. His grind. pedal, I use that on everything. Is that sick, really? Yeah, I like it more than the 33. I feel like the 33 has more of the chirpy brightness that I don't like, but the grind pedal has, like, it adds that, you know how much sugar has the fucking, oh, how do I do it?

You know what I'm saying? Like that part, it adds more of that, but adds a distortion to it as well. Oh. So I get a little bit more breakup, a little bit more chainsawy, but like not HM-2y. You know how, like, sometimes some distortions, if you, If you crank them all the way, they get too fuzzy. Yeah, it's true. It just fucking turns everything into like a caterpillar-looking ass fucking wave for them.

Very nice. It's like being electrocuted-ass riff. Yep. But I love both those pedals. I get rid of my 33. I'm looking for a grind. Mr. Fortin, man, I'd love one in the mail. Mr. Fortune man.

I'm coming for you. Yeah, it's weird how I just, I just overlooked that pedal. I just overlooked the grind. I think because the 33, the 33 pedal had a lot of hype. And I saw how many people That's because everybody loves my sugar. Yeah, exactly. It overshadowed it.

It was probably like the most return pedal. For real. Yeah, yeah. Because nobody figured it out. They thought that they could just use it in like the most crazy high gain amps and it's like, nah, you use that with like am. No. No.

With the, uh, Omega. Did you use, so did you use the program like as far as like a plugin and then that's what's going into the session or do you put, or it is like that? Yeah, I just used the neurodisp cap. There's no point to, like, use anything, but this is Slam. Like, there's people who just use stock plugins on Reaper and for Slam, and it's amazing. It's exactly what it's supposed to be. So, honestly, there's a whole part of Slam that sounds like Reaper stock plugins.

I mean, honestly, and it's hard. There's nothing wrong with it. Look at that line six. Look that sexy motherfucker. Yes. That's where Sider on insane. That's where Slam really came from. Right.

Oh, for sure. Right. our sound guy got to use one of those live one time little combo amp on stage there were three guitars and everybody had half stacks he had his little combo on there I wonder if that shit

I wonder if any bands used that on on their record we've talked we've talked about literally it was me in Oman yeah I've played one of those live yeah

nice mic it up Mike it up when we recorded Oman though we did an old school Rensis. I literally have that in my room. Oh, you're right. And the,

what's called? Oh, I tried to use it. What's the Lone Star? Or Lone Wolf pedals. Fucking HM2 clone. He's my friend of mine and I can't even think of it right now.

That thing. That's what we used on his tone first time I met him. That shit. A harp attack? A harp attack? No, the second one down? Yeah.

That one. That's it. A fucking left-hand ruff. That artwork is pretty sick. Yeah, that's like the best HM2 pedal in the world. Oh, shit. There's no one better in this world that makes a better fucking HM2 pedal than that guy. I never seen this.

You know it's hard when the shit's in Gothic font. Yeah. And you know, you know, the pedals are sick when everybody in, like when a lot of pedal builders hate the guy. You know what I'm saying? Oh, that, that's a great way to put it. Yeah, he's pretty hated. I love it. Yeah, he's fucking awesome.

Why do people hate him? Oh, because he's a dick. It's awesome. Okay, first of all, he don't take nobody's shit. If someone's a dick to me or an asshole I personally go home enjoying that Like okay well at least they're honest Who cares?

There's a difference in somebody being an asshole Versus being an asshole to you Sure You know what I mean? Like there's people you just meet You're just like damn they fucking hate the world I'm not saying that's Joe my bad Yeah sure

A guy from the show I'm just saying Or from the pedals And there's the receipts Yeah They literally pulled up the fucking receipts Oh not the Dunwich situation Oh no

Oh God I remember when this went down, bro. It's awesome. Oh, yeah. Fuck it. He'd be calling everybody out. I mean, honestly, a lot of these people that were, like, boutique pedals just eventually got to the point to where they were just trying to profit off of everybody. And then the fucking product went downhill.

Joe's the only guy still making them out of his house ordering custom fucking parts for his shit. Really? Yeah. He's like, I'm going to make this many pedals pick from them. And after that, I ain't making them again. That's it. That's all you get. he's like maybe I'll bring it back and then sometimes he'll make some cool ass like that that one knob hm2

he just makes this like silver case and just throws a knob on it and like does some crazy circuitry to it that just makes everything that it runs into sound insane lone wolf okay i need to find this big bastard right there it's okay for those you that are not watching uh there's this pedal is called lone wolf audio big bastard and you could get it for a hundred and fourteen bucks yeah there's a lot of people that sell his shit like secondhand because they know that there's people in the world who like that's what gay creeper uses

oh okay yeah like gay creeper they get their custom pedals made from that fucking pedal is the one I want fucking one knob bro one knob fucking HM2 what I'm talking about chainsaw death squad I just have not heard an HM2

slam band yet give me a minute give us a week all right so I think I Joey knows some for sure Basically, that whole thing, into the Vader cabs is just literally, into the 51-53 effects return, into the Vader Cabs is literally all of the tone. That was a big weave.

We fucking came right back. Yeah, we came right back. I know we're running out of time. No, that was a big weave. How much time we got, Ken, folk? Oh, fuck. Damn. What time is that loaded in it?

Shit, turn on Friday. Huh? Three o'clock. Fucking Christ. Okay, yeah. What do you like another 30 or 20? How far are we from chain reaction? Right now, actually Sunday is the best day to drive, so you'll...

12 minutes. Bro, we're going to be here until 2.45. That's funny. You guys are you chill here. There's not much area around here we should probably dive into, so we're just going to chill right here until we go to the beginning. Let's play some fucking riff. All right, let's play that thing. Yeah.

You guys literally, like, we set everything up. Literally, I saw you both write a riff. Oh, yeah, earlier. You remember that? In front of me. It was sick. A little bit. Literally in front of me.

I was like, my... My job is sick. I have a fucking cool life, man. Oh, yeah, I remember now. Dun, done. Some shit like that. Stupid shit. We were in that zone.

I don't know. What happened? It's just like... It was just me and him for a second. Let this is him go real quick. Now take it away, Tism. Damn. Ice in there.

Right? Hard. What pickups are those? This is the Bear Knuckles. Oh, you put Bar Nuckles in it. Ah, look at Jesus. I'm a passive guy. Ain't none wrong with that?

No, Bear Knuckles kick ass. Those Knuckles kick ass, man. I love it. I love it. But I think about passive, if you're not playing good, it sounds like shit. Oh, bro, yeah. But you're playing really good. It sounds like really good.

That's where it's people. It kind of keeps you on your toes, though. That's what gave people the idea that the tone is in. the hands is because they were talking about passive guitar players. Not when you're playing slam. It's all pedals and fucking guitar pickup. It's all on the fishmen's. That's all on the fishmen's.

So both you guys are using fishments? Yeah, accidentally. They came with fishermen and we realized we fucking loved them. I was against them because none of my rigs could handle them. Why? Because my gates weren't strong enough. Oh, okay. Because they're just extremely fucking high output.

But I love them. I think that's the sound now. I don't think I'll ever go back. It's the distortion I wanted out of EMGs. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It also makes it a lot easier in the Axe effects whenever it's like hella distortion going straight in.

Like, I'm red lighting going in. That's wow. Who cares? Yeah, we clip. If it sounds good and it works, then that's just the tone. Turn it up. That's it.

We talked about it earlier. Bands. Stop going fucking direct. Put a cab back on stage. for the love of God, you'd probably sound a lot better if you had a cab on stage. Yep. But I'm not saying that you sucked. I'm not saying that. You sounded amazing.

I'm saying that. If you know I'm a cab on stage, you're a pussy. Oh, fuck. He said, Shark goes, way. This class is fucking boring. I'm out of here. You've got to have cabs on stage. Because what are you going to do when the PA goes out? We had that happen to us. The PA went out

and we had cabs fucking, it's still sounding decent. Yeah. You could just run with cabs. All you need is your kick hitting one speaker. We can make it work. Remember that vineyard we played, Lodi? You had one speaker and a whole bunch of goats and homies,

moshing it on fucking driveway. That's all you need, bro. As long as you have your cabs, you're good to go. That was our first time in Cali, wasn't I? Mm-hmm. It was a fucking vineyard. Vineyard. Oh, damn.

Wait, I do at least once. One, uh... What's crazy shit? What's the craziest situation y'all were put into play? Like, we played a vineyard. some goats. What'd y'all do? Pretty sick. We put it in a kitchen. I remember it all fucking goats. A kitchen. Yeah, kitchen's pretty sick.

Tell me about the kitchen. What are you talking about? Pretty shot, obviously. Hell yeah. That's what I'm talking about. There's a video of ion dissonance playing a kitchen somewhere that's fucking fire as fuck. Oh, damn. Yeah. Do it. Kitchen. There it is. Dude, we were chugging. The Bud Dwyer effect, bro. Oh, wow, you found it.

Wow. Was y'all there? Did y'all play that? y'all were popular around the same time aren't you y'all in ion dissonance from canada oh yeah yeah they were a great band home in the back of that home in the back love that shit oh god that's his house it's like my mom's gonna fucking kill me but this is awesome man i gotta jam ion dissonance again yes sir

they were sick dude yeah uh kramer put me on to ion dissonance they're awesome man you showed me the surge semit strings oh yeah where so uh we didn't even talk about it yet where'd you guys come from god damn bro i don't know where you from No, no, no, you know, I'm saying. You guys came from a show. I'm not trying to have a fight here.

No, I'm just playing. We came from San Fran. Cool. We just kicked it with your homie. Nice. He was in Elchow Parish. He was at the DNA lounge for the last two days. Nice.

Us and snuffed on site, like, swapped for the co-headlining position. Like, for the two days. Like, we co-headlined day one, and then they co-headlined day two. We just swapped with them. We got to play second last night. It was fucking awesome. Tired of headlining. How do y'all like headlining?

Y'all fuck with it? Y'all used to it now? Each tour changes. If it's a lot of bands, no. If it's like four bands, yeah. You like headlining, whatever it's four bands? It's like four bands. Anything past five is like we're just waiting all day.

Yeah, let's talk about it. Let's talk about fucking promoters who like to throw 20 fucking bands on your tour that's rolling through town. Turning it into a fest on a Tuesday, bro. I mean, I get it. Make your money, but... They're like, well, we don't know if we're going to make money off your band, so we're going to bring enough band, so they make enough money for I'm a promoter.

That's how they talk. Yeah. I'm going to get them. Well, especially now with Live Nation pretty much owning everything. Geez, my weird, dude. Shout out Live Nation. Sike. Now, we're about to go on a Live Nation tour we can't talk about next year.

Oh, yeah, my ball. Really nice. I was a plan. there goes our guarantee you motherfucker you could uh you could tell me off pod oh wait is it the one that that you told me what did I

the one I mentioned earlier oh yeah yeah yeah cool anti competitive all the one with beep yeah that's great congrats it's kind of been crazy I'll actually tell him you're a drummer because your whole band's here I was like it's been really cool being at home and I've seen like the

trajectory of the band It's like, man, I remember just... We're still a local band mentality. Yeah. We're still just local band. We're like, oh, there's a cool show running through. We want to play. Like, we just played Sound of Fury.

I'm going to play this 20-person show. Yeah. Never know. I mean, that's how the career of your band started. I mean, you've taken a show in Tulsa. Yeah. You don't know who's going to be there, and it starts this whole freaking thing.

Yeah. You know? And now I'm here sitting on... Garza. Garza. What's your favorite pits, bro? Huh? Do you like push-pits or you like crowd-killing?

I like everything. That's what the fuck I'm talking about. I like people, if you start playing... Quit that ring around, the rosy shit. If you play and people start moving, that is my thing. If they're pushing, if they're... Actually, no, my favorite thing is when the people in the back of the venue are ordering a beer and when you start playing...

You see their beer grow up in the air? They're like, look. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. To make someone that pay attention when they're, like, not going to watch. watch your band. Yeah. So that to me is kind of my favorite. I remember impressing, like, one of my favorite bands, like, first time opening for

them, like, you know, 89th Street in Oklahoma City. Yeah. And, like, I remember thinking, oh, they'll never come out of the green room to give a shit or come in from outside to, like, give a shit. But then, like, see them, like, oh, that was pretty dope. And then, like, walk inside and stay inside stage and, like, watch your band. It's a big moment. That'll make you want to be in a band.

Oh, sure. One time, Tom Barber, reason I mentioned that because we went on tour with Chelsea Grand, Tom Barber, he was with Lorna Shore and walked from outside, all the way inside, and watched my old band and watched us play. And I remember that moment, probably just him recognizing that I was a human being

was enough to make me feel seen to be like, I could do some music. You know what I mean? That's not like the whole reason why I pursued music, but that's one of those little things that we experienced. That has been one thing that's been really cool with meeting all of our heroes Yeah, actually being cool.

And them being cool. Like, y'all guys were fucking awesome. Yeah. I know you'll probably say something different about Dan Kenny, but I thought everybody was awesome. I mean, we really do get to, man, when we went to New England Metal and Hardcore Fest, remember we thought we weren't going to make it

because the starter went out in Philly, and we were, we didn't show up until like three or four o'clock. When we showed up, like, our heroes were waiting on the sidewalk. Like, they were like, yeah, we were waiting on y'all to pull up. And it's like, Yeah, that's just wild. I'm like, you're waiting on us? And then, like, it came time for suicidal tendencies,

and everybody's like, let's go stand on stage. I'm like, what do you mean? And, you know, and it's like, it's a crazy full-circle moment. Like, go from 89th Street in Oklahoma City to playing New England Metal and Hardcore Fest, sound and fury is what I'm in say. Thanks for waiting on us, and I hope to slow down. Please.

No, forget no cases. Yeah, we're not. Yeah, we were talking earlier, like, moments like that and then moments like when you quit your day job, such a massive moment. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. I mean, we all remember having that conversation with your boss and hoping he understands. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. For the ones who, like, you know, worked for somebody that, like, you really cared, like, that they knew that you cared about them, but it was time for you to pursue, you know, your passion. I was painting cars. It's true. Like, I was set up for life. Like I had a career that was eventually going to retire me. You know what I mean? But it's like, it's not what I wanted.

At the end of the day, it really was just the thing to help me pursue this. I'd just rather do this. This was a big moment right here. I watch this a lot. What? Sound infuri? Yeah, man, that's all of our friends and torture and all our friends in California, bro. Just everybody.

People start moving. You got sick. People don't understand what this meant. God damn it. What are you doing there? That's my extermination dismemberment walk that I do on my own. We played five shows with them. What the hell that mean?

Yeah. And I stole his style immediately. Look at that. That dance scares me. My buddy Colton messaged me and he goes, you look hard as fuck. I was like, thanks, bro. Thanks, man. He's like, your fucking stance is sick, bro.

You're going to let him lie to you like that? I ain't. He wouldn't lie to me. He wouldn't lie to me. He'd tell me if I look stupid. I love that. That, people, man, people really don't know. how big this moment was.

Like, we played, like, peeling flesh, a dumb little slam band from Oklahoma that was just a joke band, got to play sound and fury in front of that many people. Not only did they take it seriously, but they had fun. Zoom in on that shit, right?

That is a whole ass unit. Zoom up a little bit. That's a unit. That's my wife right there supporting the shit out of me. That's cool. Have you ever played a show Garza and cried afterwards?

Pretty close, yeah. Oh yeah, at the beginning. Yes, actually, yeah. When a moment happens. Yeah, this was a couple years ago. Yeah, that happened. That shit feels good. Yeah.

It's a good-ass feeling. On the suicide solace tour, when we played the Diamond Ballroom, we all, we were, bro. Oh, that was a great show for you guys. That was a great show for you guys. We went backstage and cried like a motherfucker. Really? Just happiness. Like, we weren't supposed to be here, bro.

Yeah. Like, there's no reason why we should have made it. And we get to experience stuff like this. Like, we're, we, we, we, We're not the first band from Oklahoma for sure. Chat Pyle played the same, the same fest that we were on. But like us, us both bands, us and Chat Pile, like, this is a giant moment for Oklahoma and Oklahoma hardcore. Like, this has not been done yet.

And that's what's weird is like, we are the ones that get to do it. Yeah. And it's like, it doesn't feel right. It feels wrong. Sometimes. It feels wrong. There's other people, you know, people we've lost that have died and shit that, like, you know, probably deserved him. than we did. It was like they couldn't have made it. And it feels weird that like this was chosen for us.

This isn't something that like I feel like we really chose. We just decided to be passionate about it. But it's like the world chose for us to turn this into our job. You know what I mean? Like there's you can't, you can't run from the popularity of your band type feeling. You know what I mean. There's, there comes a point where you just, you realize you can't run from it. You have to embrace it. True. And, and love the fans. Like, of course, not a weird way. Of course we're like, like, we're pushing it for sure, but it's like, the fans are really the ones pushing it. Zoom in on the networking and the connection. For real.

I mean, shirtless on stage. It was hot. Of course. Yeah, damn, it was hot. Yeah, I'll, like, think sometimes, man, why, like, why is it us? Why is it mean? Like, especially when people die, like, like, like around you, it's like, so why? How life is kind of pans out?

Yeah. It's like, how to life this pan out, you know? It is a little bit of guilt for sure. Sure. That's Survivor's guilt, bro. That's why you,

like, that's your, like, it's good because it keeps your responsibilities in your check. Like,

you don't take it and use it for evil. Use it for good. Mm, it's true. So, like, even though we're playing crazy ignorant shit

and people are getting hurt and shit, it's more like it's, we're definitely using it. People from the outside who don't understand it, we'll see it as a,

hmm. That bitch sound good. Yeah, I wonder what it was. Sounds good. Sounds good. It's not like a V8 out there. But yeah, this was, like I was saying, this was a big moment. This in New England Metal and Hardcore Fest was a big moment.

Like, they wouldn't let anybody inside, any more people inside while we were playing, because we had the building at capacity. There was a whole line outside the building and around the building in New England. And that made me cry. And I hadn't cried that whole tour about a show because I had too much going on. Me and Soto were down. The headliner? Yeah, we went through it.

Yeah, we went through it pretty rough this year. But now we're good. I don't know what happened, January 1st, bro. After, like, after that, everything has been very fucking smooth. Yeah, there comes a certain point where you've got to let it all go, and you're either passionate in pursuing this shit, or stay home and get a real job. Have you guys experienced, which I experienced a few times,

sometimes, like, your passion just leaves you. Yeah. I mean, sometimes you just get, Oh, for sure. You know what? Burns out isn't the right word. It's just, you're just kind of going through, like, the motions. Yeah.

You know, and then things in your personal life just don't pan out. It will affect your music. It does affect your music for sure. I think so. Yeah. It definitely affects everything. Yeah. It definitely affected mine.

It took me a long time to kind of learn how to not let the personal stuff affect. Or learn how to channel it. Mm-hmm. You know, it's hard. But it always comes back. This is how we channel it, though. It always comes back. If you can dig through your wires and your nest of bullshit and your brain,

if you can get through it and just find your way back to the guitar and to the computer with a mouse in your hand making some MIDI drums, if you can just get back there, like you can get yourself out of that thought process, be a little bit creative, make something fun, even if it's just two riffs, one minute worth of music, it's enough to get you out of that headspace. That's kind of how I wrote like someone,

much is because I don't have, there's nothing in my room besides, like, laptop, computer, bed, TV. That's it. Wow. So it's like. Ain't unrode. That just makes me, like, I'm bored. I'm like, fuck it, I'll just make music.

Yeah, if he ain't making slam, he'll make rap, like, make some beats and stuff. That's right. Oh, yeah, Jason, I was going to ask you, do you just, like, do you program beats and then put slam riffs on top of that? No, that's not where the samples come from. Let's talk about it. the samples, so like the rap samples we put into the songs, those are just guitar leads.

Definitely. You know what I mean? Like the vocal samples? Yeah. Yeah. Those are just like, okay, another instrument. Right. Nice.

When I was saying, like, Slam is just an instrument. Every single thing is there to, what is it, complement the next. Nice. Everything is to complement each other. Nothing's outshining each other. Like whenever there's a rap sample in there, it's because it came in at a specific part that, like,

it would sound good in. I'm not forcing it in there. You know what I mean? Sure. Like there's so much shit that I still hear to this day that just sounds forced. You know what I mean? Somebody's chasing it, chasing that sound. Yeah.

It's stupid. It happens. It still happens. It's crazy. You don't have to. Like, you can do your own thing. Even if your own thing sounds like somebody else's thing, just be, do your own about it. I do get it though because when you find your own thing and nobody's doing it, you're like,

damn, this is weird. Because it's like, it feels so out. of the box we talked about ghost writing some people I feel like are like it's not gonna work because I definitely thought I was like sitting on work but I was like this is what we want to do I was like fuck it how do you feel about ghost writing not down it it really depends on the band you know for us I don't see it working right you know well I mean like you ghost writing for someone else oh like making money off ghost writing type shit like writing writing music for someone else Type shit, sir.

How does it? Type shit, sir! Shout out, Corsebine Landry. I love you, bro. I think if you can do it, I think you should do it. I personally, I wouldn't do it because, I mean, I kind of used, I mean, time is this. But maybe if I wasn't doing this, yeah, sure. I'm a little, I'm a little personal about it.

Like, I feel like you shouldn't pour your heart into a song to give to someone else for them to reap the benefits from it. That's a tough one. that's where it gets tough yeah but somebody like jason who can write music every single day you know what i mean he's like what he was asking me the other day he's like what should i charge for ghost writing he's like if i ever decided to and i was like i wouldn't do it and he was like well i don't care you know what i mean and it's like we had the conversation we had the conversation because i have like i have like three or four projects of random shit to sit in my email yeah he has a lot of and i'm like i should sell these but i'm also like these are my kids

like these are my visions so it's like it's really hard to like do that these are our low riders these are our cars yeah these are what we're we're flashy about like the way that somebody shows off their car

like yeah you know what I mean it's like way low riding is a way of life like playing stupid slam music is just the way of life for us it's fun you guys you guys breed it do you guys think when you write songs and you have songs and they're out there

now the record's out, like the singles is out, the EP is out, et cetera. Do you think it's still yours or do you think it's not yours? It's never mine. It's never mine. It never belongs to me. Yeah. We do write music in a way where we pour ourselves out into it.

But whenever it comes to going out into the world and playing those songs, we're only there for the fans. Like we're only there. I think there's two kinds of bands in this world. there's bands who take energy from the crowd when they show up and there's bands who show up and give their energy when they show up. Y'all are an energy-giving band. That's the reason why suicide silence is...

I'm not trying to be all crazy, but this is the reason why y'all guys, in such a cliche, or in such a wild death chorus sound, got so popular, is because bands like y'all guys took it serious in a passionate way, and it got so big that now y'all guys have careers for the rest of your lives from it,

because y'all guys had a love for it that is unmatched to other people who are doing it because they're wanting to get the energy and the energy being like it could be you know it could be taking advantage of their fans or you know just being money hungry um the the goal the glory and the girls you know what I mean like they're taking in everywhere that they can yeah without respecting the boundary between them and their fans and you're there for the fans you're there to sell them shirts so that way they have a memory of you. Your band will crash and fall real fucking quick. Yeah.

I think that's why the bands who didn't make it aren't here. A lot of them is because they were just, they seen the gold and they wanted it. I also get it. It's a lot of pressure and it's a lot of responsibility. Oh yeah. Yeah. Like there really is. Like all of us at the level that we're at as celebrities, we really could fuck this up.

Like we could fuck this up. It's very easy to fuck up. Easy. It's easy. Yeah. It's surprisingly. how, uh, well,

also I don't think about it because just be yourself, do your thing. Be yourself and do your thing and if you're a good person, then you're going to live a good life. You know, whether you have hardship in it or not,

don't matter. Everybody's going to go through them. It's your energy. It's your energy. Look at them fucking lowers, bro. Yeah, I was waiting for you to look at them. Look at that 59 convertible on the bottom left.

Are you horned up or what? That blue one, that bitch's clean. That fucking blue 59. You know, a sane? It's a cliche saying, but the meaning of it just... That's a 60.

My bet. What is that thing? Which one? The fucking... That right there is a $50,000 car. That doesn't drive. Wow. Don't need to.

Crap. You into lowriders? Wow. Right there. That's what I want. I'm into one car and that's it. I like a Cadillac CTS 2012. That's right.

I'm not by that car. A CTSV? No, CTS. The one with the V8 in it? Yes. Yeah, black. So, sad story. Sad story.

When suicide I love that car When a suicide got a signing bonus from the label I remember you telling us about this Yeah Mitch went and got to Harley I got my money I bought that car but I bought it for the wrong reasons

I bought it to buy this is going to make me look cool When I generally just love This car so much I didn't take care of it because I associated negative memories This car doesn't own me because when I bought it it owned me. Yeah.

So, like, things like getting your oil change, oh, check and you're like, came on, I didn't check it. I let it kind of run to the ground, and I regret.

I was so, like, this car just not own me, I didn't take care of it, and as a fucking stupid that I wish, took care of it. Because I'm,

I'm just gonna re-bide that same car. I love, I love that car so much, man. My wife has a black Cadillac SRX. I love them. I love them,

I love them, bro. I got a GMC, Denali, which is like the Cadillac version for GMC. I love those cars. GM all day. Chevy, baby.

All day. Don't let the Chevy dough hit you with a good load split you. They last a long time, man. It's correct. They last a long time. My wife's just flying down the highway still. Flying down. Which car actually,

which car lasts the longest? Shit, motherfucking Pontiac with a 3,800 in it. My car. Yeah, it just goes. It's got the 3,800 in it, that's why. I don't have the best looking car, but the engine is one of the, It's literally, like, if you look up best engines of all time, it will be in, like, top five. Really?

Jason's has a supercharger, though. He has the Regal GS. Look up a 99 Regal GS, and you'll see greatness. That motherfucker's supercharged y'all. Is it right here? Yep. Oh, this is hard. Tough-ass cars.

Yeah. We had 13s on it. I've had this car for, like, three or four years, never been stranded. Really? I don't know. He had them 13s on it one time, trying to make a U-turn on a dirt road. Not stuck. I mean, like.

Mechanically. Yeah, sure. It really is fucking dope. That's car. Look at that. Yeah. We got to get you some rims after the aborted run, bro. I'm trying, bro.

We'd be doing that with band money. Like, when we pay ourselves at the end of the, you know, after the end of a run, like, all right, what are we doing to our cars? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He bought 13s for his. I just finished my trunk build. I'd put 215s in it. 2.15 subwoofers in it.

There's no more. The trunk is gone. There's no trunk. It's just a box. It's just... The doors pop out probably like that much whenever it hits. It just rattle. Yeah.

That's brutal. Now it makes me want to go home and put 415s in my fucking Denali. That is correct. And to a... It is. Supercharged. There it is right there. You guys got that from Slam.

Yeah. Fuck everybody, dude. That fuck me up. I don't know how we did it. I think it's because we chose to live in Oklahoma over the rents cheap. Yeah, that is true. But like, it's... Man, it really don't make sense.

I'll get me wrong I'm happy I'll be struggling still for sure Oh yeah we're broke I'm a beat while I'm struggling I'm broke too is fun Yeah Yeah who cares

Normal people Normal people would sell Like the shit I have To make sure they can eat me I'm like I'm gonna starve But I'm gonna beat down the block While I'm starving Be beating up

The death What the good thing about being broke It's not poor It's broke is temporary Poor is forever Poor is a mindset for sure That is if you're poor And in your mind

You need to somehow stop that mental process. If you're scared of spending money, you're never going to have a life worth living. It's there for a reason. You're going to spend money. You make it, you spend it. Improve your life. Improve your quality of life. It's really what you're spending it on.

Right. That's what's fucking you up. Take care of them door-dash. For me, my shit was a casino for a minute. Really? And it was fucking me up. So, but now I'm like. That green one is hard.

Hold on. Hold on. Yeah, I was looking at that too. Yeah. That is hard as fuck. After the third record, right? That's nice. Tomorrow.

Wait, no, not the next record, tomorrow. Fuck, it's coming. It's gonna buy that. Yeah, so it was kind of a joke, but also semi-serious. So I am, seriously, I'm broke, but it's suicide's been in such like an upswing. It took a long time to get back to the, you know, people thought we were fucking done for a while. But just to see it like rebuild and are guaranteed. triple,

quadruple. That's a good feeling. It's a great feeling, man. And next year is probably, you don't want to say it's your year. Don't ever let anybody make you feel bad for having the guarantee that the other promoters and people's staff

have set for you. Yeah. Like, I don't want people to think that we chose our number that we get paid. Like, we didn't. That's literally just what they've all decided for us. But, like, we're like, okay,

we'll allow you to do that. Yeah. Like, I don't want to be a dick and, like, think that I need have a certain set of money. I'm just like, just let us play. I know. We'll sell merch.

Let us play. You definitely don't choose your guarantee. You work your fucking ass off, and then you see a number. You're like, wow. Yeah. But if you're working for a high number, if you're working for the high number, that's how you don't get it. You have to allow it to happen to you.

You can't chase the money. You've got to let the money chase you. Totally. Who's Genesis? A band? Phil Collins. Oh. A baby.

Phil. Phil. Oh, well, he's a fucking legend. Let me put some respect on him real quick. Damn. Put some respect, dude. Do we need to play any rips?

Sorry. Huh? Do we need to play any riffs? Is this okay? We're doing our rips? You said you want to play some slam riffs, so I think we could probably close it out with some slam riffs. No, you're good.

I do want to talk about some slam stuff. Flip that turn around. Like, so. Okay. So some slam basics. Slam basics. You gotta learn how to do this. There sounds good everywhere on the front.

I will say that. I'll see guitar covers of us. And they'll miss that. They'll miss that. Which is okay because, like, it takes a minute to, like, hear the difference. But. Because people think we're playing in standard. Because it's a standard thing.

It's also nobody to teach you this shit because it's slam. The ones that we do, we do a lot of these. We do a lot of, we do a lot of, we do a lot of, we do a lot of, we do a lot of, we do a lot of, we do a lot of, we do a lot of, slam basics yeah like we want it to sound nasty like a lot of people are a little scared of this but like that's that's nasty and this this also sounds good too those the death core fucking notes you know what I'm saying yeah but like flip it as long as the drums are nasty you know what I mean and the vocals are nasty like that's gonna resonate and then obviously those and then then you got to be good all the way around the board

Let's talk about pinches. All right. Okay. I got like that much showing and you got to hit that thing. Barely hitting it with... I get this question all the time. How do I hit the pinch harmonics the way that I do? That's the reason why I'm doing this.

It's all in the way that that thumb slides off of it. Yeah, how do you do the perfect pitch harmonic? You guys got it down, man. You guys really got it down. I don't know about that. You can just practice this. This part doesn't really even matter. I think there's a way

the pointiness of your fingertip will make the vibrato sound good. You know what I mean? That sounds like the metallocalypse. Bleep that they would do over curse words. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But yeah.

Arnie's a fucking... Let's see. All right, so on Dean Lamb's podcast, they did the Shoot to Kill song. We should do another one. Which one from the album should we do? Let's run through one. Yeah, we need a good outro, man. The outro?

We need a good, like... Yeah, like good outro for the video, yeah. Which one? From G-code? Yeah, from G-code, since that's our latest release. Unless we wanted to play midnight. That's going to be coming out soon. Now we'll go back to A.

Which one? You want to do perk? Oh, yeah, we can do part. Yeah, we could do perk. Let's see. One, two, three, four. Sick. Meal.

Or playing it backwards. There's Park 3000. Sick. It sounds awesome, man. You know it would be sick. We did the fuckinging. One, two, three, four. Da-da-da-da-da-dun-dun-dun-tit-gat.

It's a little fast. And that's Jammin'Wangarza. Appreciate that. Yeah. Man, I was in the band. Man, holy crap. I was in there. Man.

Are you coming to the show tonight? Yeah, of course I am. What the fucking damn doing? What the hell? That's what's up, bro. I didn't know you were actually coming to the show. Of course, man. I thought you had, like, business working stuff.

No, dude. Business working stuff? No, we're going to chill here. Hold on one sec. Let me put these up. Let me say. B.C. Rich. If you're listening.

Thank you very much. Let's talk. Please. Are we talking? Please make a Shredzilla base. Please make a Shredzilla base so that way our bases can have one on top of, please get a hold of us. And hurry up, too. We can do a Shredzilla with you.

Hunter Green, Candy Green, all gold hardware. No kill switch. I don't need it. No neck pickup. No switch. One knob. One volume. All right.

one volume and a bridge pickup. Let's make that happen. You're going to make a fortune. Hear me out. You're going to make a fortune. But also give them a cut. I don't even need a cut. Give me guitars.

It's my idea. I'll give you the color schemes. Trust me. I will take the cut. I got some Dayton's to buy. I ain't by themselves. Okay, so Austin needs a new bass. Bases, plural.

Yes. Plural. BC rich basses that look like Shredzilla's straight up. That headstock is fucking perfect. Everything about this guitar is perfect. I love this thing. Our headliner, I bought this while we were on the road, and it was at the house waiting on me so we could play our last show at home.

So I got to play it like the last day of our headliner. That's dope. Yeah, I've seen... We went on a run when extermination disperment, and they had a red seven string, and we were like... Devirement had the red seven string, and they had the gray the other one

that one right there but the seventh string let me get that one Joey we got to show all our BC riches in the video we got three of them BC Rich like let's your shit out dude look at that

check this out also y'all sat in body I sanded that shit and clear coated it and gave it a nice little shine y'all should do that that's right bitches started selling that

she'll look nice don't it I got that one one we got that one Mars M-R-S M-R-R-S very nice but yes we really do

love these bc rich guitars I mean if it's not these it's Ibanez straight up oh it's great if we can like we'll rock Ibanez but like we really do

want to stick with B.C. Rich because this is just slam as fuck very slammy yeah they really do and they and they fucking last on the road like their

quality build you want to see you guys yeah you ran my mind that was weird that was fucking tism bro that was

That was a tism, dude. Plug that into your cable. I wanted to hear my guitar through your rig. It's right here. Right here. Right here. Because you said it was the Gojira plugin? Yep.

Yeah. See, it's your tone just a little bit more distorted. Damn, that's crazy. I heard the difference. Yeah. It's not even a long scale. Fender sweating right now. Wow.

that Fender's win, right? Fender's like, oh, God. Oh, God, shut it. Kill the stream. He's pouring up. Oh, my God, he's pouring. I can't stop pouring. What's the gauge on that?

64, and it's a 10 to 46 set. Just without the 10, and it has 64 on top. Mark hooked me up with the Dunlott people, and so we've been getting custom sets. Oh, great. And it's been awesome. Shout out Dunlop for hooking us up with strings. It's really been kick ass on the road.

That's dope. Shout out. Shout out Mark, though, because Mark is the one who hooked us up. I would say, shout out Aibonis too. Yeah. Love Aubnaz.

I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. I got a little thing on it. I don't like guitar that much. I ain't got no guitar tattoos. Now I gotta get a B.C. Rich tattoo, though. That's next. Well, Mike, what I want to get is

either this or this. One of the other. Either the R for Rich, you know what I mean? Or just like that, like that crest kind of like thing that they have. like an old ancient style crest

That's fucking cool It's your face Show us your face Show us your face Dopt How should we close this thing man Buddy stayed Like that

That's exactly how we end it Bossman Yeah that's it Cool That's it Soto Christopher Yeah thank you

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