Garza Podcast - 161 - SNOT: Nu Metal, Tragedy, Lynn Strait & Finding a New Singer

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

Garza sits down in-person with Mikey Doling & John "Tumor" Fahnestock. Guitar & bass player from Santa Barbara, CA nu-metal band SNOT. https://my.bio/snotSUPPORT & GET EPS EARLY:https://bit.ly/Join-Garza-PodcastCHAPTERS:00:00 - Whiskey Ideas02:22 - Shows With New Singer04:50 - Last Snot Shows in 201505:44 - Getting the Band Back Together06:57 - Writing the First Snot Demos08:16 - Finding Lynn Strait10:50 - How Mike Found John, Jamie & Sonny16:50 - Early Days, Signing to Geffen20:10 - Writing Get Some23:40 - Touring w/ Pantera, Soulfly26:33 - Mike & Sonny’s Dual Guitar Technique29:47 - How the Get Some Album Release Day was Special31:10 - Recording Get Some at Long View Farm Studios35:30 - Lynn Was a Ladies Man38:52 - Rich Kids on LSD41:23 - The Day Lynn Strait Died (& R.I.P. Casey Chaos)48:38 - Strait Up Recording Process58:12 - Writing “Angel’s Son” w/ Sevendust1:04:43 - New Shows & New Songs1:07:25 - Finding New Singer, “Andy”1:10:04 - Getting Blessing & Support From the Strait Family1:11:10 - Upcoming 2025 Shows, Rockville, Inkcarceration & More

Yeah, we're going live tonight. Like, I saw that. First show ever. I mean, first show with our new singer, right? We're like, let's just go live. Immediately, fuck it. That's kind of a... Whose idea was that?

Mine after two shots of Jameson. Oh, okay. You know what? You ever have those, like, first of all, thank you, Snott for being here. Mikey, I just met you, John. Uh-huh. So thank you for your time.

Today's actually a big day for your band. Yeah. So I'm honored to be a part of your day. Thank you, man. You know? It's good to be here. You ever had those like, this still happens to me where sometimes you, it's quick, it's quick. Either you take a shot or two or a beer and you get really good ideas.

But however, that span of time is like a few minutes. And you're like, oh, I should write this down. I remember it after I'm going to hang out of my friends. And you never fucking do. Absolutely. You never do. Right. Unless you get on the phone with somebody drunk dial them and tell them your idea.

And then they tell you the idea the next day. Sure. And then you realize how bad the idea was as they're telling you. Oh, wow. That was the case of us decide to go live with our new singer without talking to him first. Yeah. I thought it was a good idea that you didn't say his name. You didn't really put it out there too much.

You know, kind of let people so that this is happening today. So everyone's going to find out at the same time. Yep. It's awesome. Purposely did that because social media can be just brutal, right? Oh, yeah. We put his name out there. Everybody goes to his social media and they start scrutinizing him before they even hear him sing with us.

Yeah. So we didn't want to deal with that. We wanted to protect him. It's good. Smart. Yeah. Did you find out, did you get the idea after like a coffee or a shot or something? No, that wasn't overshot, maybe a coffee, but...

Yeah. We got him in the band, and immediately I knew we can't tell anybody who he is right now. It's smart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you got to let the music speak for itself. 100%. You know?

You know, it's just totally out of respect, obviously, for our new singer, and it's just, we thought it felt the right way to go about this whole thing. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And I've been looking forward to being in contact with your band, because... which we'll talk about later on, but we unfortunately have a parallel life and a career. We do. Whether there's singers, I'm like, you know,

and there's only, you get put in like this handful of bands, you know, so everything you do kind of needs to be, you know, a little bit thought out. I think it's awesome that you're not announcing the singer's name. Everyone's going to find out at the same time and it's in person. Yeah, it's in person and also live. Instagram. So, and we're, we're going to start the show live on Instagram from the very beginning of the show like you're in the room. And we're, we're actually, I don't know if I should say it now, but I will. We're going to show a 13-minute movie before the show. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a tribute to Lynn, our singer, who passed. And then the intro, then the show. So they're going to get to see that, too, the actual 13-minute movie. who put that together

we have a pretty awesome social media cat awesome yeah read clow how do you say his last name it's clow clow like that yeah yeah we stumbled on him by accident man when we put this thing together

we're like we don't have an Instagram we don't know what our Facebook password is for snob you know it's been so long yeah so we started searching and we found we found an Instagram profile that had literally like five thousand, you know, um, followers. So we're like, we should take control of this and see how we can

build this. So, um, you know, I relentlessly was messaging whoever was there, no answer, no answer. And, and maybe on about three weeks after just trying constantly, um, read appeared. He answered his message. Yeah. And he doesn't even look at the Instagram anymore. He created the thing. He put a few things up. Yeah. And, you know, and it's set there with like 20 posts for, for quite a while. And And it got that many followers from just that. And now we're at it for like a month now. And the thing is like quadrupled. Yeah, he grew it real quick.

And now it turns out he's really good at the social media game. That's great. We're old. We don't know much about it. We're learning through him. But our social media game has been on point the last month. And it's all due to read. So we're really excited about it.

It's awesome. So when was the last not show? It's been 10 years, right? Yeah, I believe it. What was it? Yeah, I was in 2015. We did a run of like six or seven different countries throughout Europe. And that was super, super fun.

Yeah. We crushed it out there. How did it feel then? Amazing. And we, again, we didn't know if people would even show up. Yeah, it was our first time really off U.S. soil. So we went over there. It was like the very first time anybody ever got to see us.

perform obviously outside of the United States yeah and it was it just was you know we sold out Paris we sold out London it was and we didn't know if we could sell a ticket yeah really and it turns out the shows are selling out so it was really awesome what uh Mike yeah what like uh what made you kind of okay I'm gonna get the band back together and like let's let's let's let's start playing shows I started seeing other bands from the 90s from our era on all these big festivals Yeah, like the, was it sick New World Festival? Oh yeah.

Like in Vegas. Oh, he got to have been perfect for that show. Yeah, we would have been. That kind of threw the spark in the beginning. We're like, wow. Yeah, look at all these bands that we used to play with. They're blowing up and then the Danny Wimmer stuff. We're like, wow, man, I think we could, maybe it's time.

And so we put it back together. and I got a rad booking agent who's sitting right there, who brought me over here. And he's moving the earth for us. And we're getting the festivals and the shows are selling out. And we're back, man. With the new singer, it's great. It's all about time.

For sure. Sometimes it's right. Sometimes it's not. Yeah, absolutely. And it wasn't the last time we tried this. I don't think the timing was right. This time, it's going well. We're excited.

Yeah, because you guys, Snott was actually there You know Tell me Tell me about Dr. Rhythm Oh, about the drum machine I used Yeah, I never heard of it So you used this drum machine

And you made demo That's what and that's what you essentially passed out To people as snot, correct? Well, no, what really happened I started snot myself I didn't even have the guys of the band yet And Is this it right here?

yes that's it yes the little black one the second one there you that one yeah yeah i had one of those and a little four track the task cam four track that's cool you know and uh i started writing songs on that in the garage um it was like a crash pad a bunch of rockers and there was trash everywhere i literally had to move trash bags to make a little space to record the first demo and um yeah and i started writing snot stuff and I put a cassette together and I had another friend of mine who was playing bass at the time

and I was handing these tape out with no vocals, no nothing and calling it snot you know and that was in 93? 93? Yeah, 93, yeah. And then I found Landman

shortly after that and I had another drummer and another bass player and can I tell you the story how I found Lane? Please. He was in another band called Lethal Dose in Santa Barbara, bass player. Amazing bass player, by the way.

Yeah. Shredder. And a really good punk rock band. So I knew him from that band. And one night I went out to see some bands, and there was a band called Glu playing. I didn't know who was the singer for the band. And I walked into this bar where these bands are playing. it's literally like a pizza bar with pitchers of beer, Budweiser, you know.

Of course. And they have a stage and they let bands get up there and play, why people eat pizza and drink pictures of beer. And I walk in, I hear this punk band playing. And just as I walk in, I see this dude. I didn't know it was land, but it was. Stage dive off the stage onto a table full of pizza and pictures of beer. Land on his back.

Everything goes on the floor. he's kicking his feet in the air and singing and I thought to myself that's my singer for snot right there I was like that's the guy who is that what the hell is going on here and then I after they were done I went over and talked to him and I realized I knew him

from lethal dose I'm like what you're you sing too because I knew him as a basis you know and I told him what I was doing with snot he said he'd come check it out and then boom that was the spark right there boom yeah I thought he had a

A tryout? Well, I guess we could call it a tryout, but that moment I asked him to come over and sing with snot, which there was two other guys, a bass player and a drummer who didn't make it very long in the band after Lynn joined. But I guess you call it a tryout because he came over and jammed with us, and he had some funky attitude. I actually didn't like him at first. Yeah, and you said that you didn't see it. I didn't see it first, yeah. And the other two guys were like, are you crazy?

That guy's amazing. And I was like, all right, let's trust the guys. Yeah, let's try it again. Yeah. And then we started playing as snot with those other two guys, Lynn and myself. And within two months, Lynn came to me and said, hey, dude, we got to get rid of these guys and get better players, you know? Yeah. And I was thinking to myself, those guys are the reason you're in the band.

You know, they saved his ass. But anyway, he was right. And then I found this dude. shortly after Yeah John Fonstock Tumor and it was on man

From there Did you meet Tumor Through Fiannon Yeah Shannon Larkin How did you How did you meet Fiann Well

Shannon Who Was in Godsmack Right Yes And well he was in a band Called Ugly Kid Joe In Santa Barbara

Where Snod is from And I was really good friends With the Ugly Kid Joe guys And Shannon was the new drummer for ugly kid Joe. But I hadn't met him yet, and I came to see my friend's new drummer. I walk in, and there's Shannon Larkin, shaved head, tattoos on his head.

You know, an ugly kid Joe, you know, I don't think one of them has a tattoo, right? Yeah. And I walk in, and this guy's tatted on his head, sleet. Excuse me. And he's just swinging for the hills, man. I don't know if you've seen Shannon play, but. Oh, yeah. It's insane.

Amazing drama. And I looked at him, I thought in my head, that's my drummer for Snat. Again, like, that's where I need that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. But, of course, he stayed in ugly kid Joe. And Shannon and I became close friends. And Shannon and John here had a band called, well, M.F. Pitbulls. Yeah.

Right. The Baltimore, Washington, D.C. scene. Shannon and I was we grew up together playing together since we're 16, 17 years old. So, you know, Shannon migrated out to California. He was in a really popular band back in the late 80s time where they were called Rathchowd. So he always, he did that. They were like a metal band, but he always, we all loved punk rock at the time. So Shannon, these little punk side bands that he was doing at always at the same time.

And I was always involved with that whole thing. Yeah, so when he migrated back to Cali, joined Ugly Cajou, that's when... I met Shannon, and then I came to Shannon telling him how I'm looking for the other half of snot, you know, and just talking about over beers, he's all, well, I actually have a bass player that you need to play with, and that was him. So I went over to Shannon's house and he had a VHS tape of the MF Pipples, him. Wow. He pops in this tape and it's Sunny Mayo, Jamie Miller, and Tumor.

Oh, shit. It's the other three members of snot. What, though? That's great. I know. And he's like, well, there's your bass player. And I didn't even really think about the drummer and the guitarist at that time. Mm-hmm.

So called John. Yeah. And then... Gave me a call and I shit you not. Like two weeks later, I'm in Santa Barbara with Mikey and Lynn. And I just... I was like, I just went for it, you know? Shannon's always been like, if I can move to Cali and find you something,

I'll hook you up because, you know, it sucks seeing like my best friend leave and everything. And I was like, oh, bro, if you could hook me up someday, I'd really appreciate it. And that's what happened. I mean, if you look at that picture right there, that's the MF Pit Bulls or Shannon in front, right? There's two on the side there, Sunny Mayo and Jamie Miller. There's three members of snot in that picture. Yeah. And then our other friend, Scott.

We actually had percussion at the time with something like Slipknot was doing way back then. Yeah. But that's our friend Scotty also. Yeah. Crops to Scotty. But yeah, that's how I found the three members of five guys through Shannon. Thank you, Shannon. That's a great friend right there.

And this is also for those of you listening. This is a drummer's dream. You know what? I'm going to put myself in the front of the photo. Shannon was living from every drummer's dream. dream. Absolutely. Is that the singer?

No, it's fucking drum. No, no, actually. Well, in that, he's saying it. Actually. Oh, he did. Yeah. Oh, fuck. And yeah, he's saying for MF Pitbulls and there's Jamie Miller up in the left-hand

corner. That's the drummer for Snod. Jamie's like 19 there or some shit. Yeah, and he's 19 years old there, man. It's so ingrained in my head. It's his arms is like. Yeah, right. It's been green.

But there's a reason for that because Shannon's such a freak. And he played on the MF Pitbull's early stuff, obviously in drawing. drums ended vocals but when we found Jamie and like Shannon's like totally irreplaceable guy but when we seen Jamie play in Baltimore one night we were like holy shit dude yeah who's our drummer we kind of found a clone of you like this is unfrikin believable yeah yeah yeah and I don't know if you know Jamie also now plays in bad religion for the last 10 years so he he's done well as a drummer that's sick you're just like surround yours is like a circle of like really talented people 100% that's cool yeah very fortunate you know some great musicians great artists and great people

you know it shows it's be cool sometimes man you don't you literally i never heard i don't they ever heard of somebody hey here's here's three members it was crazy i don't think i ever heard of that yeah right no no yeah and uh it's like one maybe or two right but they trickled out you know because we had john man yeah and then We were jamming with this other drummer, John, me, and Lynn. And then one day we were talking, and it was like, well, it's time to get another guitar player. So we went back to that same videotape. He knew him well.

There's Sonny. And then we called Sunny. And then he came out and we had another drummer. We had Sonny, John, myself, and Lynn. And then we realized we needed Jamie to play drums, which was totally right. And we called him. And then it all came together, man. at the same time that Gepin threw us a deal

Same time, yeah Pretty much just just fell in right into place like that Yeah, yeah, the trajectory of your ban is I guess from like the, from my perspective It just seems crazy like you get like handed Basically handed like three sick ass dudes And then and then you sign a Griffin Yeah, Geffen, yeah, Giffin, yeah

It's like kind of like thrown in like the fucking deep end But see we worked for it I mean, not long. We went down to L.A. from Santa Barbara. We met a few bands down there. We started playing at the Roxy. And within three months of us making that connection, we were selling the Roxy out ourselves.

And then we'd go down with the whiskey. We'd sell it out. It just got ridiculous. And labels started coming to the shows. Like, who's this band Snott selling out all these venues? And then it became a freaking bidding war immediately. Yeah, it was cool. I wonder we could find any shows from the Roxy

It's all over the YouTube You can definitely find them Sure Yeah, who was on those shows What do you mean? Oh, we were playing with system of a down Cold chamber That was crazy time

Oh yeah dude Incubis All these bands That would be the lineup of the night And we're all local bands You know Oh my goodness Yeah there you go

There you go That's sick Yeah that's some early snot right there At the Roxy Just crushing it dude yeah it sounds just like you guys wow that was a sound man

you know what's cool tonight tonight the guy who did that show the sound Eddie Ortele is doing our sound oh my goodness yeah yeah yeah we're bringing them all the real deal for sure yeah this we have the whole team together yeah how did you keep like the like the team so like intact I was just all we're main friends man You guys all just seeming guys all just stayed friends

Yeah Throughout the years Yeah Man I would love this Try to try to find a fucking A flyer From my one of the shows Like Shannon on drums there

Oh that was Shannon huh Yeah yeah Are we wearing masks or something Yeah Shannon actually played the very last two shows With snot Before Lynn passed Yeah

And this is us at the key club In Hollywood Oh that's the key club right there Mm-hmm I don't know why we're in a fucking mask That's weird. Probably took a... Sunny is too.

A few shots. Probably a Jameson. Yeah. Jameson makes me do stupid shit sometimes. So I take it that you're a whiskey guy. I like it. Yeah. I like it.

Yeah. Jameson, that's fucking hard for him, man. Not a lot. And I'm not drinking in the day, but if we're out with some buddies, we'll drink some beers and a couple shots in there, yeah. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Not like he used to be, mellowed out.

the uh okay so look at that so how's it okay shred party 95 throxy theater yeah who cold chamber snots system of it down who fucking headline that who

what's the lineup I don't even remember I mean I can't tell why looking at that flyer even I think cold chamber no are they at the top or dude imagine going somewhere

seeing cold chamber snot and system for 10 bucks right that's what that was 10 bucks yeah That would be sick. Yeah. Wouldn't you start, which now has become a very legendary record, when did you start writing, get some? Well, I had a few of the songs kind of written out early. And then when John came out, we wrote a lot of it.

Yeah. Right. I mean, it's funny how it went down, you know, because the guys call me and they're like, come out and join snot. And I'm like, all right, send me some music. And obviously back then, you can instantly trade music, you know, online. It was a tape in the mail. So I waited for this cassette tape in the mail. It never came, never came.

No, we're too busy getting high and shit. Yeah, Lynn never sent it. And I think it was like maybe three, four days before I was supposed to leave. And I'm like, hey, you know you never sent the tape yet. And they're like, just come out. You'll like it. Promise. And he's still here.

Yeah. 30 years later, but I think I got out there and I heard Joy Ride, Mybles. Yeah. And it might have been in. I think just those two songs. And I was like, oh, what did I get into? Yeah, yeah, my balls are chin. I came out here for that.

It was the demo version, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was really bad. I moved here for this, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But to answer your question, then we started writing, man. We wrote Stupid, God, Ticado. I mean, a lot of the songs we wrote.

And then when Sunny came out, I think we put get some in the box. Look that. tape right there look at that yeah that's crazy there you go it's handwritten bro that demo yeah that's my writing yeah yeah yeah is it yeah yeah nice writing john oh yeah well he wrote that 27 or 29 years ago yeah yeah yeah that's really nice writing man

I'm kind of I'm gonna blown away right now my writing is boggons oh just like trying to you trying to learn cursive oh my goodness yeah I've been used cursive and I haven't thought about that and Nope, two decades. I know, and they drilled you at school. In school, why do they enjoy it was cursive?

I don't know. Why? It's funny. You like never use it. Nope. Only maybe it's on your name, maybe. Nah, it's printed. Yeah.

It's like, what, like, fourth grade? Fourth grade or something? I guess. Yeah, right. Gosh. Okay, so, so you have the songs coming up and you guys were already signed at this point? No. When what?

You guys were already signed when you're writing the songs? No, we wrote more. Most of it pre-getting a deal, but we did write some after. When we signed with Keffin Records, we actually can move, because we rehearsed in a shack, like a real shack. If you saw this, you'd be like, what the hell you rehearsed in there? That record was made in there? Holy crap.

Oh, yeah. Then we got enough money to get a real rehearsal spot, and then we focused pretty hard. Yeah, we come through what we thought was the best songs at the time. And then Dave Fortman, the guitar player, Frugley Cajot. Who produced Slipknotes? Dave Foreman, yeah. Yeah, in Evanescence and that. He went on later years.

But, yeah, he had a studio in his home there in Santa Barbara, and he was like, I'll record you guys. And he did our first really good demo that actually got him paid attention to. Yeah, that actually got us our deal. Yeah. Man, the circles were so small, man. It's crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. Nice. It's everybody helping everybody. It was, like, always been that way. Yeah. It's playing all those sick-ass shows, dude. Yeah, yeah. So I think you guys mentioned,

you mentioned, Mikey, that one of your favorite moments of your life is touring with Pantera. Oh, well, yeah. Wouldn't be right. I was in Soulfly at the time. And I remember getting the call from Gloria, Max's wife. Hey, we're going out with Pantera. And one of my favorite bands of all time.

Dimebag is my favorite guitarist. hands down, who ever lived. And I just remember going cold. My heart dropped like, wow, touring Pantera, man,

holy shit. So, yeah, it was the greatest time of my touring career. I mean, imagine if you toured with Pantera. You've seen the videos,

right? Yeah. I don't know if I would hear it. It was like that. Yeah, yeah, well, I came home.

I needed a detox after that, for sure. Yeah. But, yeah, it was incredible. I remember the day we pulled into the first show.

pulled the bus in and there's all the Pantera buses. I was tripping, man. And then we go into the backstage area. First day of the tour. Yeah. We go into our dressing room

and it's a dressing room with like the curtain partitions. Yeah, the curtain separator, yeah. You know what I mean? It's like because it's an arena. Sure. And we walk into our our curtained off area.

Yeah. And I can hear a dime right through the curtain. Yeah. Going, doing the dime bonic stuff, you know. And he saw that we were there, and he, like, pulls the curtain open. He goes, oh, so fly's here.

Let's go. Let's get one in you. We haven't even. Oh, my gosh. Okay. And they got us totally drunk before the show. And we don't drink before the show. No.

But he insisted. And it was dime. So we played an arena. I don't know. It was like 15,000 people in 10,000, somebody in Denver. Yeah, totally smashed. And Max was not stoked about it because he wasn't there drinking with us. So we show up behind the stage, you know.

Oh, my goodness. It was incredible. And we did okay. But, yeah, that was pretty much a nightly with Pantera, though. Yeah, because I want to bring in, like, full circle later. When you were writing those songs for a get some, I mean, you mentioned it. You were in a shack. Like, did you feel like, what did you guys feel?

Like, oh, these, like, this is cool. Oh, no. maybe like this might be something or I felt like we were killing it I really did I was confident I'm like these are good fucking songs

yeah yeah I mean I'm a fan of music right so we wrote something that we would love to hear you know and I was pretty happy with it I mean the team too with Jamie and Sunny

and tumor myself it was pretty solid man yeah what was there's just there's this throughout the record but you only you only like sprinkle it.

This is a self as self as question. You have like you do like this octave thing and it's like is that like a chorus you put on it? No.

Like is it That's just straight up I was like I was like what is he like there there's like the whole record but it's only sprinkled in yeah

I was like what is that? You know what that comes from? We're friends with bands like no effects punk bands RKL RKL lag wagon those guys all use that cord

yeah and it's just just fell into our music. It's like a split harmony. One's going one way. Otherwise, guys going the other way. Maybe that's it. I mean, even Iron Maiden kind of does it at times too.

I grabbed it from the punk bands that we were friends with. Totally, yeah. I got to re-listen to it. It was like there was like playing tricks with my ears. Well, I'll tell you why. It's because Sonny would go down the scale. Yeah, and I would go up and you would hear the rub in there a little bit. Maybe that's what it is.

You know, and it made a cool effect. Yeah, it's something about it. It makes it sound like there's like a chorus on it. Yeah, it wasn't. It was very dry, actually. On the box, the chorus is an example of that. Yeah, but there's no effects on those at all, yeah. Nothing.

Nothing. Is your rhythm tone pretty straight like the whole time? Yeah, yeah. Not a lot of gain, not a lot of distortion. Sure. I like the mids real high. The box is a good example. Yeah, yeah, and a lot of attack, man.

It's all you get that crushing tone. man I got it. Yeah. That part. I'm doing that. Yeah. Nothing. Nothing.

What the? See, it's playing tricks in my ear. Yeah. I'm like, what is that chorus or like a, I've been really getting into flanger? Is that a flanger? No, there's nothing on it, man.

It's going to fucking bugging me now. Yeah. So now, so someone's going to higher or someone else is going lower. No, actually on that part, no. That one doesn't. I'm just doing the octave stuff and Sonny's playing a rhythm behind it. The actual chorus of that song, though, I believe, is where you guys.

Oh, yeah. In the chorus of that, we did do a split melody. So, yeah, you're right. But not in the verse. Yeah, coming up right there. There's one. Okay.

Hey, you know what? You're going to see it live tonight. You're coming to the show. Okay. Yeah, we'll answer it from the stage. After a couple of shots of whiskey. Take note. Where's that chorus?

I'll buy one for it. I'll get you a shot, man. Thank you. I really appreciate that. You know what? I might still have from you. I don't ever done that. Someone's doing an octave higher

than someone's doing it lower. Yeah, and you kind of start together and then you start going the opposite direction in the scale. And then they start it gets like, it's almost like a little symphony, you know. That's true.

Then what is John doing? He's holding it down. I'm falling. Yeah, I'm holding it down. I'm holding one of those directions down. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Yeah.

I have something to practice. I have a new tool in my... Cool. In my toolbox. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, so what, uh, so what was it like for, for you guys when the, uh, when the record came out because, uh, things, things always tend like to change once, like, the record's out, you know? I mean, I'll tell you about the day the record came out.

It's very interesting. Dobbs are Lynn's dog, but it was kind of all of our dog because we all lived together as the dog was with us. We, we all lived in the same house, by the way, which is. cool. And the day the album came out, Dobbs and his girlfriend, I guess you would call it,

dog girlfriend, had seven, how many, five puppies. Five boys. Yeah, five boys. The day that album came out, get something. He's on the cover. Yeah. And it was just Yeah, I'd never forget. They called us and they were like, I guess what happened today? And we're like, yeah, our album came out. And they're like, no,

literally you had puppies this morning. Yeah. I'm like, wow. What a gift that is. The actual album comes out. And then, you know, I got chills thinking about how it. And then, you know, the little puppies were... And then our dog who's on the cover. Yeah, yeah, it was just...

By the way, Dobbs was a member of Snott. Yes, that dog... I mean, he's on my arm, you know. Oh, wow. Yeah, he was... Actually, I mean, you can hear him barking in the album. Yeah. If you listen to the record, he's...

Burt, burp... We took him all the way to the studio on the East Coast. Yeah. And he went to the mix with us. Everywhere. He was everywhere. Yeah. Love that guy.

Wow. We're sure. So you guys did the record in the East Coast? Yeah, Longview. Wow. In Massachusetts. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

I don't think I ever heard of that spot. Oh, yeah. A lot of bands have done records. Cochamber, Seven Dust, Head PE, they all did records there. Yeah. And believe it or not, it went as far as back as to early Airsmith. Yeah. Stones.

Yeah. Oh, Bad brains. Is it a farm? The bad brains. The bad brains. Yeah, it's a fly there. I've heard of stories. The reason we picked that,

Because bad brains did eye against the living color. Yeah, they did their record there. They did their record there. And it's literally a barn with horses in it. Yep. And a studio. It's kind of in a middle nowhere, correct? Oh, yeah.

Totally. Oh, yeah. Like in the forest. Yeah. I mean, probably that town maybe have maybe a thousand people live there or something. It's really small. I think Lynn banged like five of them. Oh, my goodness.

That's another story. It's kind of close to Worcester Mass, but yeah. Yeah, that's it. There it is. There it is. There it is. There we go. Yeah.

We recorded in that, that record. There's a little horses. Look at that. See, that. There's the room. Go back there. Go back to the studio room. There.

That's where it went down right there. I'm going to get fucking teary-eyed. It's beautiful, man. Yeah, it was. We all lived there. We all had a room in the barn. Yeah. We had to cook.

They made us food every day. Yeah. The horses, see the stable there underneath. They would be in there walking around while we're sleeping. And the whole place would be shaken because the horses are like, it was. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was pretty creepy and cool. Yeah.

Yeah. You know what this actually, and I should know of being like a numeral guy. Like this is like a, I'm still West Coast. I'm always looking at the studios here. I forget to bring up this one. And I'm kind of embarrassed that Longview Farm is after a studio that gets part up in here a lot. We kind of put the spark back in that place too because, you know, obviously the album sounded great. And everybody was like, where'd you do it?

It's been a while. I think we were the first one since, I want to say, living color or even bad brands, to go back there. And then all the other bands kind of followed after. So that's why they went back there. Yeah. Try to capture that magic.

No, we've heard from the other bands, like your record sounds like good. Look, look. Yeah, look, there's the Rolling Stones there. Look at that. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, they came the town. Oh, that's cool.

Lots of history there. Look at that place. Amazing. That's dope. Did you? did you already had the songs completed before you went there or did you go there kind of? No, we were ready. We were ready.

Yeah. I'm ready. A lot of that we recorded live together with the drummer, right? In a room, Iiked it up. That's a lot of it's just actually jamming. Really? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, there's some interludes in there. I think 313, right?

It was now that's live, jamming. Do you remember? I don't remember. Exactly. I believe that They caught us jamming and that ended up. I remember, you know, originally we tried to set up on the stage because we heard that, oh, a bad brain set up on that stage. They did eye against eye there.

Let's give it a try. So gave that a shot for a bit. It wasn't working. It wasn't working. So we ended up down in the bottom room, whatever that room was. Yeah. And then, believe it or not, that drum room turned out to be amazing. Jamie tracked the entire album solo.

That's right. In his fucking head. Well, he was getting frustrated. with us because we tried to do it all together and we kept fucking up. Yeah, yeah. You know, and finally our drummer's like, all right, you guys fuck off.

And he just played without us. We watched him play the record with no music, no nothing. It's crazy, right? I mean, and literally, if he had to take a second take on anything, I'd be surprised because

he just knocked out. That's the room we did. Yeah, that's looking down. Oh, yeah. Wait, is that the stage? I can't tell. Or is that the room that we tracked in? No, that's the stage looking down from the loft. Oh, yeah.

And probably, Mark probably took that photo. That's beautiful, man. Yeah, it was great times. I think we were there for like a month. Yeah, a little over. That's when you could spend four or five weeks on a record, you know? Yeah. I mean, we got some good stories, man.

Yeah. I don't know if you remember or heard about crazy Lynn really was. Like crazy in a good way, you know, just a rebel without a cause. And he wanted to. meet some ladies in the neighborhood, you know, because he was bored out there. Sure. So he would steal our van, literally steal it,

the van that we used to go get groceries. Oh, yeah. And he would just drive around this small town, Brookfield, right, and just look for checks. That's dope. I'm serious, man? Old school. Oh, dude.

I'm not kidding you. He pulled up. No social media, man. No, no social media. Right? He saw this girl driving, and she was with her grandma. I'm not kidding you. follows her,

hits a red light, pulls up behind her, jumps out, knocks on her window. She's like, what the hell? Hey, I'm Lynn and I'm in town. Here's my number

that's red down. Give me a call. Not kidding. Yep. Before you know it, she's at the studio. She's at the studio? What the?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That was one of them. Yeah, he pulled one off the porch. He pulled another one off the porch. Another one after that one. He's driving around Brookfield,

and this is like small town shit and there's some chick just sitting on the porch hanging out he's puller pulls his car over yeah walks up to her pull on Fonzie yeah here's my number she ends up at the studio and he's closed and deals dude like yeah it was weird it's like damn man we're busy writing the record or recording the yard he's out there yeah bringing goodies home yeah quite a few yeah back then you got yeah he had to talk to him in person man there was no yeah but nobody talked to him like he could no he's the Fonz he really was like a real yeah

anybody that knows him knows those stories too he's also a very handsome guy yeah he was a stud if anyone like drove if someone was driving up behind you got out of the car yeah nowadays you'd be like he knocked out of door grandma was in the car and he still

knocked on the window she rolled the window down and grandma's sitting right there and he's hitting on her and she ended up showing up at the studio dropping grandma coming over man that's like that's like a level of like confidence oh yeah he had it if anybody had he had the swagger dude Lynn was the most confident human

I've ever known yeah yeah yeah yeah that's why those songs sound the way they do yeah totally it's all young there that's crazy a one in one there there's some people you meet unfortunately you don't know when it's happening but this is some people you meet There is this one and one and they can never be replaced. Dude, Lynn Strait was one of the most unique humans I've ever known, his energy. And it's just, I don't know, man, it's hard to explain.

But if you knew him, he walked in the room and everybody would gravitate towards them, you know. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I've always kind of wondered, like, what that, like, what that was. It's like, is that, are they born with that? Is that they developed that? Or is this, I don't know. It's like a gift, you know?

I think you're actually born with that, that magic aura around you. For sure. Yeah. He was so special. Yeah. It wasn't fake, that's for sure. Yeah, some people would have manifested that and he lived it.

Yeah, yeah. Totally. For reals. Did he ever talk to you guys about what he wanted to do with the band? Like, hey, like, he always, hey, when I was a kid, I always wanted to be, like, in a band where I wanted to always do this or... I don't think he talked about it like that, but he was super inspired by the band. these punk bands when he was young.

He was hanging out with RKL, Rich Kids on LSD. I don't know if you know this band, but it's one of the greatest punk bands in history. And they're from Santa Barbara. Okay. And he kind of ended up in their clique. There's them, there you go.

And he ended up being kind of like just a young fan. Then he ended up being kind of just a hangout guy at the shows. He looked up to Jason Sears. Yeah, the singer. Yeah, the singer in the middle, though, Jason Sears. that's Lynn's like basically hero yeah okay yeah rich kids on LSD yeah I had their seven inch like in the early 80s when I was in like high school

early 80s and and and then when I went out there and met Lynn and Lynn's like let's go with Jason Sears I'm like oh my God you know him he's like yeah I'm like oh my god you know him he's like yeah do yourself a favor get hip to that um it's a different kind of punk rock and oh they're legends too yeah totally legend this this cover is interesting. If you're listening, I can't even describe it.

That's one of the biggest influences on snot right there, that band. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's like a psychedelic around the cover then, and they have like just a normal photo of them hanging out. They really were like rich kids because, you know, they were like

from the Montecito, Santa Barbara area. They were, yeah. I don't know if they're rich though, but they lived in a richy rich area but that's why. Yeah. Rich kids on LSD was exactly. what they were. Hey, if you can see Riches to Rags, find that

record. That's my favorite album by them. And they got so many great, rock and world nightmare. I mean, all this record will blow your face off. I see like a theme. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's the cool. Okay. It kind of reminds my animal house or some shit

where they're all in front of this place. It looks like, yeah. No, but seriously, you should check that album out. Man, they're doing like their own thing. This is kind of, I never seen a cover like this. Yeah, for sure. They had their own artists.

Yeah. Yeah. Forgot his name. What's the name? We visited him in Spain once. You're right. We did. Yeah.

In Barcelona. Mm-hmm. So the record came out in 97, correct? Yeah. May 97. Mm-hmm. When did you find out about, how did you guys find out about Lent getting into his car back?

God, I don't even know if I want to talk about it. It's so hard, but, and you shirk an end up. with that. John and I were actually writing music the very moment, right? Yeah, I mean, I remember everything the time of day, the day it was. Yeah, we're writing music up at Klaus Ickstatz's house

from Ugly Kid Joe. You were. You were. I wasn't there. Oh, you weren't with me? No, I was at home. It was, for me, it was a Saturday morning like around 10.30 a.m.

I remember I woke up early that day, and I felt weird, and I kind of walked walk my took the dog a walk it was Dobbs as one of the sons that were born one of the puppies yeah i took him for a walk and i came home and took a little nap it was weird i felt weird and then the fucking phone rang it was like 10 30 a m and it was nick nick adler manager and basically he called me too basically he was like uh he's gone you know just like that i don't know where i'm just like what see i got the same phone call i was writing some songs working on new not actually up at my buddy's house

Klaus and I got the same phone call Nick called me and said the same thing you know and yeah Florida's man you know yeah it wasn't even like it wasn't even like he got in a car wrecked you're like oh he's he's gone like what that's this that's a phone call you're never gonna forget yeah you know yeah I've I'm

yeah I'm forgot about my my phone call you know it's like a but that it was very like prolonged like it was like all thing but it's horrible sorry you went through that man and I could feel you brother yeah it's heavy it's it never it never gets easier

nope it's weird no no I feel right now this moment we're talking about it yeah I'm struggling I'm going through it right now yeah I'm struggling it's hard yeah for you guys it's been 25 years yeah 25 years 25 man yeah I'm sorry I'm sorry about Lynn dude yeah I'm sorry about yeah fuck uh he yeah for us it's been like 12 years

so fast i can't believe 12 years past no it does not feel like 12 years and um unfortunately with with the help of this this thing you know i've you know i i i ran away from that for a good which is why i'm gonna be a full circle thing is uh i ran away from that probably for 12 years like it was around like the 11 year mark i was like run away from it just running away from like it like it never faced that pain yeah yeah it was it was it went till i hill it 12 year mark really started to talk about it.

Yeah. Like kind of face it head on. Everybody's like, yeah, you got to like, you know, have some closure. But I just don't think there ever will be closure with this because it's fucking hard. You can't, man. Yeah. Especially when there's music attached to it. And then you're going to, then you play the songs.

Yeah. I can't even put into words, you know. It's, yeah, there is no closure. Nope. No. I know. It really isn't. and I go through

periods where it hurts more than others and you kind of accept it and then you don't accept it anymore and I mean right now I mean we're playing a show tonight without Lynn and it's fucking hard man you know yeah too

it's really hard yeah it's hard you fucking it fucking suck and then unfortunately it once once like it you don't know you don't know what you got to is gone

100% You don't know Yeah I think with all of us So I mean I mean This dude right now You know

I guess Losing Lynn makes me realize Yeah Exactly what you said I do realize What I have now Because Yeah

You know I learned from that You know I cherish My brothers man You know I just took another hit You know

I lost My other lead singer From Amen Um Passed away On like December 20th 21st

Around that time just recently too and he also was fucking legend one of a kind guy too Casey chaos and I'm like oh here we go again I was just like it's like twice yeah that was just a couple months ago huh I don't know I've seen that it's hard it's really hard that sucks dude yeah yeah yeah especially being good older man people start passing them way when we get older it's just weird yeah and then and then I always ask question like why why why why are we here yeah why them it's like we're We were partying too. We were doing that. We were being idiots and

I don't know, I guess. Absolutely, man. And you just be thankful that we are here and, you know, take care of yourself. Is it kind of like what's, is it kind of weird that you didn't? Obviously, you're surprised, but you're not really surprised.

Right? There's like this weird, you are that person. So, yeah, this sucks, but I'm also. not surprised at the same time. What do you mean by like when Lynn passed? Was I surprised? Yeah. No, it wasn't.

It's... I actually knew So weird. I doubted he would make it. He was he was just... Yeah, we were like he was either going to be in jail or he's just something terrible. He was a wild dude, man. He was out of control

at the time. And when I got the call that he passed, it was horrible. It ripped me a part but I wasn't surprised it was like it's like a weird thing like you're not surprised

you're like you're fucking crushed well you know with Lynn every day it was something you know something every day Lynn was like what do you do now you know yeah they're a pain in your ass

such on the pain in your ass you want to fucking kill him yeah but the same time now it now like now like you missed that yeah So many times I dream like, I was this dream reoccurring all the time that he like faked his death. And he was on a pier and he's like, I'm back guys.

And we're like, where are you been? Like in my dream and he's older. But he's like, I always been here. I just had to like step out for a while. But I'm back. And you're like, you're back when I wake up. Fucker might be crying. You know, like, so surreal.

Surreal. Yeah. Yeah. Is it one of those dreams that just feel real? Yeah. You're right there, dude. Yeah. Yes, I've had those dreams too about Lynn

Talking to them as if it never happened You know, and they wake up like, holy shit I was just hanging out with Lynn Yeah, yeah Still have that dream Man Yeah, I wonder So you guys obviously had dreams about him

Yes, many actually Many? Yeah, I have Wow I've literally only had a couple Oh yeah Yeah, I think I don't know, maybe I try to close it off So I don't know what psychologically speaking i don't know what what what that was which uh again again going to do like

the big circle but um you know what i didn't know until yesterday so i had to re listen to the record either i either re listened to uh straight up because i i didn't know that because again the podcasting didn't exist in like 2000 so all you have is especially being a kid all you have like well they probably had like a they probably had the record written already and then they put put but no like you only had a few riffs absolutely he had the so you wrote that just for i'll tell you man like a lot of people i've read things where people thought that was the second's not record yeah not the case we had a few of the riffs yeah um and then john and i put that record together um and it was for lynn we really wrote those songs and it was hard to write those songs because we weren't

coming from a place where we did it on the first snot record, which was get pussy, rock out as hard as you can. Yeah. It's very important. That's it. We're a punk rock fucking psychos. Now we're riding in a place of being sad, losing our friend and trying to honor him. You know, so those songs are really hard to put together. So, yeah, they were definitely not even Snott.

songs at all it was just him and i venting along with all these other vocals and shannon played drums on that by the way yeah Shannon worked with us the whole way through this and um made it happen you know 100% yeah and it's like a lot of people are like you wrote these songs specifically for these singers and that wasn't the case we had the songs and we kind of said you know we put them together yeah we think yeah we think you would sound good on this so we would like reach out to Max and we think this is your song Max and it kind of kind of went out good like that yeah yeah given how crazy that record was it's really not a lot of accurate information even me going back and do some research I'm like I can't really find much you know so it's kind of it's why I have I had to

ask about it sure it was a hardware man yeah you know you know and and we believed in it so much in our hearts that you know at the time a lot of the labels and other other bands managers like oh this can't be done it's really too much red tape yeah yeah and you know wow we fucking believed in this and i remember making little flyers cutting out handing them out in sunset strip straight up's coming you didn't have any kind of social media or anything back then it was just totally grassroots and we just relentlessly kept working on it and believing that this is got to happen it just got to happen and and it did yeah there's a it's a great photo of the And when it was Shannon's back there,

and we're working on all three of us. You see our heads are together, and we're showing each other. Yeah, we're putting together music right there. That is so, that picture's cool. That's such a great focus. Yeah, it's a great photo. Because we're literally brainstorming.

We're in, you know, that moment when you're, you can see this. That's how we wrote, too. You know, we always wrote things together and we put it together on the spot and everybody had their little input. It was so cool. Yeah.

I can't imagine what that's like. Like you're writing, you're writing music based on this is for our friend. This might not even come out. What is riding? You know what, man? I'll tell you what. I mean, I don't know about how John feels about it. If I had to do it again, I wouldn't.

It was too hard, man. And it was, we meant to do a good thing for our brother, you know. But it was so hard to complete that thing. It tore me up. Yeah. I mean, when Sunny brought sad air to it and we laid that interview over the sad air, whew. Yeah, it's heavy.

Have you listened to that? Take a listen to Sad air. Oh, my God. Because, um... It's listening to it this morning. Yeah. Yeah, there's an interview of Lynn and he really airs out. Yeah, his, his demons.

Yeah, his demons and, uh... And he was talking about a hole that can never be filled. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And, uh, it's heavy, man. That records. true. I was like, yeah, dude, it's so true.

And then you'll use this thing. You'll use that. It could be alcohol. It could be food. You just keep feeling this fucking hole. Yeah. It won't. It can't. It can't be filled, especially for extreme personalities. It's like, it's like impossible. Lynn fits that exactly.

Yeah. But if you listen to it, take the listening to that Saturday. Dude, I've listened, I'm sorry, dudes. I'm just, I'm sure you're sick of hearing about it, but I just listened to this record so many times as like a child. And, like, it's it's something happens to your brain where it's like we know something about it it changes how it sounds

and I have one of those moments like today so I didn't know I did it deliberately digging oh wait this was written after oh shit and I played it again I was oh shit now I was like all the songs straight up are just deeper now oh yeah I was like put a you know scarlet eyes it sounded totally different yeah it sounded totally different yeah I was search knowing knowing knowing how you guys broke and knowing what what you guys went through

I was like oh it's a whole other right it's a whole other record actually we're gonna play that song tonight are you really that's dope yeah yeah yeah what do you do when people say which I mean this is this could be like a universal saying what do you do when someone tells you it's like impossible

fuck man you guys just kept going yeah I don't know I want to say we just fuck up and nothing's impossible we can make it happen yeah we just You know, we love Lynn so much and just this has to be done. We got to. Yeah.

We were some kind of tribute we had to do something to. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, knowing how to put together like a memorial some, like getting to, getting together all different singers and personalities and schedules is literally impossible. There was a lot of people told us we couldn't. Yeah.

And like I said, we just fuck off, man. We're going to make this album. And then, you know, a lot of them were just like, yeah. Yeah. They were just, you know, they were close friends with us. And they're like, well, if our manager says we ain't doing it, we're still going to do it. You know, it was kind of that attitude.

We loved Lynn, too, and yes, we want to do it. Yep. It's so sad when people get, like, in between something like that, you know? We had a lot of that. People trying to stop us from doing that record. We just did. I mean, originally, you know, it was funded by us and through our manager.

Yeah, we've actually through Lou Adler helped make this. happened and then when we finally got some interest from a mortal immortal happy walters yeah signed corn and then it was actually really reality at that point yeah yeah even like even the dates it's like uh i think 98 to 2000 it was it really that that long of a process oh yeah yeah yeah because you know all these other bands were touring so we had to find and we were touring too yeah we had to find a time where we could get them in the studio and they were ready to sing on one of our songs and I would go like, for instance, Corey, you know.

Yeah. Slip and I was playing at the Palladium. So went and picked him up at the Palladium, drove him to the studio before sound check. He sang and then drove him back to the Palladium for a show. So when a band would show up in L.A., I'd coordinate, hey, I'm going to come get you, man, and bring him to the studio in Santa Monica.

Wow. Yeah, and Mikey would do it when he was on tour with Soulfly, And then when I wasn't out with a men, I would do it. So, like, I... There's that photo right there. I brought Des into the studio and, you know, and then did some things when Mikey couldn't be there. And Mikey did the same.

Yeah. Yeah. Look at that picture. That's me and Corey actually... That's before... Where we were actually recording... They were trying to hide who they were. Right.

That was the time when Corey was hiding his face. Yeah. That was before anybody knew what he looked like, so I went and picked him up. And I thought it'd be cool if I'd try to hide my face, too. Yeah, sure. But, yeah. Yeah. Which one's quick.

It's so special because you got like singers for for something so special but also arguably in all their primes. Oh yeah. Crazy. Yeah, you're right. I don't think of it like that too. John came down to the studio. Yeah.

Yeah. In their in their primes. Yeah, John was so talented too. Yeah, John sat down and wrote down, wrote out the melody on the piano first. Yeah. Then went in and saying. He was so prepared. So prepared that guy.

It was so impressive. We were all there for that, too. Nathan, sang on that too. Sorry to cut you off, bro, but the guy who did your video, the one I love so much. Nathan Cox? Nathan Cox sings on the song with Jonathan. Yeah, because they're a really good friend. He's actually singing on that song.

So they sat down and put it together. Yeah. Yeah. Wow, dude. Yeah. Only people wouldn't do this for your band if they didn't have the outmost respect for you. And that shows why you guys are here now still able to play shows And they're selling out too

Yeah You guys lay down that fucking That first brick of foundation We did, we made some good friends back then, man It's fucking cool Yeah Right last question We're still friends, I'm sorry

Yeah, I'm sorry Last question about the record Again, another selfish one What is, how did Angel Son come up? That was Clint Lowry, man He came again seven dust was in town playing brought him into the studio

you might have to help me with some of this memory and Clint had a riff yeah the riff yeah that's right and then we all learned it it was in a weird tuning super open tuning yeah super weird right yeah super weird and we all sat down with acoustics Morgan Rose was there

sunny myself you yeah and we sat down and put that song together man in like an afternoon in one afternoon yeah just from just a riff you know I mean I shouldn't say just right.

I think Corey, Clint had it pretty well thought out. And then I jumped on a tour bus that night with Seven Dust. We parted our balls off. Okay. All the way to, I think it was Phoenix. Woke up the next day and then went to a studio in Phoenix and cut vocals with LJ. I believe that's how it works with Lijon.

Yeah. Okay. That's right. Yeah. You're right. The next day, yeah. He went to another studio and another state. Yeah, and I actually went with him.

I wasn't on tour or anything. I just went. Yeah, we tracked the music in 4th Street recording in Santa Monica. Right, exactly. But vocals were done elsewhere. And there's Clint right there holding a guitar. Yeah, that's the, yeah. Looks like Morgan's deep and thought about.

Yeah. And Morgan's behind him, yeah. Yeah, look at that. Who's coming to the show tonight? Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Are you afraid of? I'm scared.

I am. I'm scared. Yeah. I understand. I've been wounded by him a few times. I think tomorrow is Saturday, so I'm thinking like Saturday is probably going to be thrown away now. Yeah.

I don't think it's going to happen. Sleep in. Yeah, it's probably going to be a sleeping day. Oh, my goodness, dude. Wow. What do you guys think about when you heard it? Well, if you know, okay, there's two versions of that song. Seven Dust did their version.

Yes. I brought back the song to Fourth Street, our version, and I cut another guitar line, the do-da-ba-do-do-do, it's in there. You can hear it's like eight tracks of clean guitars in harmony. Yeah. And so I heard it then as I was cutting those tracks. Yeah.

And then who mixed it? I forget who mixed that. Did Rick Will mix that? Yeah. Rick Will mixed it. But after hearing L.J. lay vocals. A lot of chills, man. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a very special song, man. Yeah. Angel's son, man. Yeah, I listen to it almost every day. Wow. Amazing. Yeah, it's my, it's kind of my.

Really? Yeah. Okay, man. Yeah, just kind of like just get in the headspace and just... It helps you out. Yeah, just get, like, reminded. It helps me out, too, man, when I hear it, yeah. I think, I always looked at it, excuse you.

I always looked at, like the title's angel's son, like Lynn's mother. and she was an angel and that was her son. Oh, wow. Yeah. And that video is so iconic, man. Yeah. Oh, yeah, we did that with Nathan. It's iconic, dude.

Yeah, on the beach, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There it is.

Yeah. That's it. And that's, uh, Malibu. My dog playing the roll of dogs. Oh, there's us actually doing what we did in the studio. Mine is sunny. He didn't show up that day. But, uh, that's it.

That was the team recording that. It's fucking beautiful, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And fans that, like, that respect you guys are always like, why didn't this record come out? It, like, just recently came up on, like, Spotify. You know what?

I kind of want to remix it. That was my last question. It sounds like, it sounds terrible. Yeah. Gosh, I wish we could, really. Yeah. I mean. It just deserves such a sick-ass remix.

It really does. Right, because the mix is so, it's so home. It's like muffled. Oh, there's one's mom, yeah, Marianne. She's coming tonight, too. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Sean.

Oh, man, don't even start, because we'll start seeing all our friends pile in and we'll have to name them all. Oh, man. But yeah, if we can remix that record, I would do that. Damn. At least some of it. Yeah.

Yeah. And you'll be cool to do like a double, like, get some, and then with a remix of the straight up and package it all together. That's a great idea. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be so fucking cool. John's came up to the, that's,

that's a good idea we just had a meeting with yeah we did what was the company again we met with about that vinyl smart punk we were talking to smart punk

about doing a new vinyl and I would love to do both together remix straight up John's idea there and put it together with get some that'd be insane yep

yeah remixed remixed yeah People will love that. Oh, totally, because we're not the only ones that said, hey, I wish it sounded better. Yeah, I do sells attention. Yeah, we're always like, I think there's a high quality on, like,

YouTube. That's, like, how, like, fans, like, then we... The drumming that Shannon did on that is phenomenal, and a lot of things he did just kind of buried in the mix, but, man, he was... That would be a sick idea. He brought it, he brought it. But dude, it's so hard, we got to go get the...

Yeah. Do you guys even have the... There was done pro tools back then. It was all tape. So, you just could find the tape, or what's, like, the process of the... that. I don't know. We guess we gotta talk to Universal. Oh, good. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Oh my good. But hey, you guys have been, your band has been through worse and accomplished harder. So, you know, you guys know how to do as well, brother. You guys know how to hear and know and keep, keep asking, keep trying. No doubt about it. You know? Yeah, that's the way to do it, right? Yeah. Kick the gates open. That's it. Yeah. But man, we would love, as fans, we would love to hear

or see that. Yeah. Well, maybe we just Put it out there, right? Yeah? Yeah. Manifest. I've learned from this thing. Sometimes I'll say something. I'm like, I'm going to say it and let the universe take it.

Yeah. I believe in that. Big time. And before you drift off to sleep, every night, that's what you think about. And you envision that. And you take that into your dreams. Yeah, man. That's where I used to do a lot.

Nice. Yeah. Nice. Well, since up, we're running out of time. Do you guys, obviously you guys got the shows coming up. You guys, nice jamming. Can you even talk? Talk about that.

Say that again. Are you guys jamming? We've been jamming the last few days. I mean, the band, yeah, we're rehearsing for the shows. You know, we put together a really cool show, man. Nice. We're, we're, it's going live on an Instagram tonight. Yes.

Well, not that this podcast would be out by then, but 945 it goes live. And we're doing a 13-minute video, a movie. Yeah, a little, a doc that read our social guide put together. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he did it totally from his heart as a fan. perspective and he yeah and just i'll be there it's beautiful yeah guys uh has just inspired you guys like any like new wrist flying out or any what any like new riffs oh i got riffs man i've i've actually been we've we we we track stuff six seven years ago mikey and i that sounds with jamie yeah

jaw dropping like snot like because that's just how we work together and it sounds yeah so i have a couple snot songs there nobody's heard yeah so okay Give you a little peep here after. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. My life is sometimes, dude, my life is fucking sick. Sure, I'll believe. This is going to be.

You got to hear. That's awesome. Thank you. We have no vocals on it yet. Yes. But the music, you'll be like, holy shit. That's like, it's not, dude. It's not, it won't lead you guys.

No, man. It's just what we do, you know? Yeah, it's not a struggle. We just write that way and when we pair it together, you know. And it was kind of like an East Coast Meese West Coast thing back then And it's still still gels When John and I get in a room together

It's pretty fucking rad Like when we start writing Because we start developing and talking And all of a sudden we're talking the same language And all of a sudden we're like whoa It's easy Yeah Yeah

Like we'll need a little puzzle And usually Mikey's got the main idea And I'm this guy I always been known to write The Bridges for the songs And I'm like I got this riff That'll fit right in there Like a puzzle

And then we're like, holy shit. Yeah. Also, he'll stop me when I'm, because I'm writing some cool shit and then I'll kind of veer off to the not so cool shit. He's like, oh, yo, yo, yo. He'll herd me back into. Yeah, sometimes he'll help me. Bring you back. Okay, okay.

And then, yeah, and I trust them. Yeah. Like, when you're writing with somebody, the most important thing is you got to trust them to write. You got to trust them. Yeah, and you trust their opinion or what you're doing. If you're writing to somebody you don't trust, like, just call it a date, right? Oh, you're right alone then, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, you got, it's got to be trust there. Yeah. Have, how's it been feeling with the, with the singer? Incredible. Yeah. Well, I almost said his name, but I'm like, we've not said his name yet, ever. Yeah. But I guess after this.

I guess tonight at night. Tonight and nine. Everybody's in those name. When's this podcast dropping? Not this Monday, but the following Monday. So people will... Okay, I'm going to say it for the first time right now? Is that okay?

Is that okay? Yeah? Alex is going to have a hard tag over there. I mean, his name's Andy. I'll give you that much. He's Andy? There you go. See, there's a lot of people are like, oh, does that really help you?

His name is Andy. Yes. And I put something on Facebook, of all things. I need a singer who can sing snot. I've done it before. I've done it before. I was like, oh, Mikey, don't. Yeah, he hated it.

And then I had a couple shots No no no No I was all Just coffee only Okay And um I had a boy

Bam we found him Off that post Yeah really Yeah I didn't Instantly I was on the negative Yeah he was like died I'm like Oh you're going to Facebook for this

Yeah yeah I guess what I got a video of him singing It's not What he did As he put a camera up In that rehearsal spot Put wrapped a cable

around his arm and sang five songs sent me the tape and it blew my fucking head off and I sent it to him and he doesn't he hates everything. He's in a good way he's got a good

I'm like yeah that's cool usually he was like I hate that but at that it blew him away he was like holy shit balls exactly exactly what I said I think you found a guy you found our guy and it was like that yeah yeah and it turns out

who's in the 805 area where we're from. Oh, wow. Yeah. So another thing, yeah. Who is that guy? The correlation. Yeah. That's him.

Yeah, who is that guy? Yeah, Andy, it's Andy. That's smart. Not saying his last name, but it's Andy. Who is that guy? Yeah. I'm kind of like, I'm kind of nervous for him. Bro, he's going to bring it fucking hard tonight.

I can't wait to you see it. He's good. He's really good. And he's not afraid at all. No. You're going to like it. You can't. You can't be afraid.

And feeding off the crowd who's dying to see us just really helps us too. Yeah. He's going to bring it real hard. We're excited. That's awesome, man. And also to top it off, you guys touch on something that's very important that, you know, you have, there's mom in a video. And plus she's also going to be there tonight. And his sisters.

sisters the thing that when you when you make those steps to go forward like the blessing from the family is actually the first priority 100% like i talked to them this morning even as because the show day i called for saying hey you know you're coming up you're on the list and they're happy for us yeah i mean yeah it must be hard you know to you know still go out and see the band that your son was in and it's gone and still have the love and support of us carrying it, carrying it on memory, too, you know. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, we're still close with them. They're family, you know.

Yeah. It's family, dude. Yeah, and we'll be an SB on February 8th. Yeah, we're going up to where they live. Santa Barbara. Where we're from, San Barbara. Sold out. Yeah.

It's already sold out, too. February 8th, yeah. I saw that, yeah. So then is it, it's not tomorrow, but you guys have San Diego? Tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow's tomorrow. Yeah. And then February 8th, Santa Barbara.

Okay. And tonight, Anaheim. Are you going to make tomorrow, man? Oh, yeah. I don't know. I'm going to take it easy tonight. You guys are pros. Oh, yeah, I'd be fine.

You guys are pros. I'm not, I'm the, yeah. But anyone from the 90s, I'm always, I always tell people, these, these humans are different breeds. I cannot compare. I, even in my heyday, my early 20s, I cannot compete, dude. Straight up. We've mowed out quite a bit.

There won't be much whiskey flowing tonight or maybe none at all, actually. There'll be some beers, though Yeah, yeah Beers, okay Whiskey's morning the night we're not playing or anything We're just out with friends

watching football or Or whatever, you know Well, cool, anything Anything that we should close it off with And I know you guys got to Take off I mean, hey, cool thing is we're playing Rockville

The Rockville That's exciting We just announced incarceration Carceration We have, oh, we're playing in Colorado Springs Yep It's right there

What's the date on that? We're in April 26, Colorado Springs. We're actually doing a meet and greet signing at my store downtown on Tejone called Kill Your Culture. We'll be there in the afternoon. And the day before, we're in Denver at the HQ Club on the April 25th. And there's still tickets available right now. Nice. Hopefully they won't be in two weeks when this drops, but if there are, go get them.

Go get them. Yeah, we'll put a link in the, where people can get your. a cool ticket so thanks oh yeah we're doing the machine shop dude machine shop in michigan the night before incarceration yeah nice that's gonna be epic that place yeah and then uh later on in the summer we're off to do some stuff overseas yeah we're gonna play alcatraz in belgium about that and that that's like one of my homes away from home belgium alcatraz festival on august eighth that's gonna be cool and then we're doing motocultur festival in france on the 16th.

And right now they're filling the dates in between there because obviously we're not going to leave and fly away. So there's some stuff more to come in between those dates. Everybody pay attention. Yeah, well, I believe we're working on it right now. I think we're going to go after August 8th, we're going to go hit the UK for some dates. And that in Scotland, I think is the plan.

And then... What, Scotland? Yeah. I think so. Yeah, probably Glasgow. Nice. Yeah. They love us there, so it's going to do well.

That's awesome. So we have stuff to do. Good, good, good. Well, we're already out of time. But yeah, good luck. You know, it's really cool to see you guys here doing it going. Thanks for having us so much. This is a great podcast, my favorite one, man.

Wow. Thank you. I was honored to have you guys. You know, unfortunately, it says, you know, there's a small circle of people that have the similarity with. So I was honored to. Yeah, man, respect. And so close. to the venue. I mean, literally.

Yeah, we're playing down the street. It's miles away. I'll be there. Yeah. We'll be here hanging all day until, until, yeah. But the fact that you guys are still going and have laid down your foundation and then you guys still have the passion for it, regardless of these setbacks and seeing how you approach the new singer is such a respectful manner and actually smart manner. Thank you.

Thank you. That's awesome, man. Thank you, man. Thanks for having us, brother. Anytime. Well, guys, thank you. And hell yeah. That's it, everyone.

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