Garza Podcast - 163 - THE BROWNING: Rave Metal, EDM, D.A.R.E. & Internet VS Reality

Episode Date: February 10, 2025

Garza sits down in-person with Jonny McBee & Akeem "Hardcore Keem" Funera from American electronicore band THE BROWNING. https://thebrowning.netSPONSORS:https://distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF!Sweetwater - https://imp.i114863.net/rnrmVBhttps://positivegrid.comCHAPTERS:00:00 - Band Name Meaning?04:16 - “NintendoCore”06:11 - Getting Into Synths, Hardstyle EDM09:48 - Band DVDs10:50 - Making Money in Music15:59 - Artwork18:00 - New Album, Omni22:12 - Keem Joining25:45 - Moving to Dallas, Starting The Browning28:55 - Embracing The Synths30:17 - Meeting Wayne Static & Dino (Fear Factory)32:38 - How Keem’s Helps Write Songs36:50 - Songwriting Live VS Computer39:44 - Jonny’s Beef w/ Korn42:55 - Taco Bell Bands44:45 - Inhale Vocals Are Harmless?52:22 - How Keem Started Youtube56:32 - Bass Covers1:00:05 - Touring Full Time1:02:18 - Switching to Guitar, Podfarm1:06:04 - Guest List Problems1:07:10 - Fed Up Fingerboards, Business Ideas1:11:58 - Electronic & Metal Show1:12:53 - Internet VS Reality, Fans VS Haters1:15:34 - Being Straight Edge1:17:56 - D.A.R.E.1:23:18 - Staying Away From Drugs & Alcohol1:25:22 - Guardian Angels, Being Grateful1:29:35 - “Blue” Cover, The Real Band Name Meaning

What's you drinking on? Black coffee, dude. Great black. Hey. It's not my wife does it. I can't do that crap. Really? No.

Absolutely not. Yeah, so you guys, first off, the browning is here. Thank you. Johnny, Keem. What-ah, what-a-what-da-what-a. Thank you for your time. Of course, thank you for having it. So you both don't drink caffeine.

I do. Well, coffees. No. Coffee will, it'll get me running pretty quick, so I've got to chill on it. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. What's up with?

The browning and coffee, just coffee hate? What's like the, what's the issue here? Well, if you go based off what a lot of people think, the browning's name means, like, has a little bit to do with that. Yeah. You know? Really? Yeah. Okay.

So what's the meaning? Like poop in your pants type stuff. Oh. Okay. So it's like, you guys don't like poop in your pants. Yeah. So black coffee will maybe make that happen, potentially. Then a couple times.

Yeah. Sometimes, especially you get older, like, is this a, nope, that's not. Nope. Yep. Old age. And you know what? You're all going to get old. Everyone listening and watching, you're all going to get old.

So stop talking shit about older people. Oh, exactly. You'll be there. Yeah. You're going to get there. You'll be there. Dude, I'm 39. I can't believe it.

There's no way. I'm 39 years old. Uh-huh. Yeah. I mean, we both have kids about the same age and it's, that makes time pass real quick. Real quick. Yeah. That's the feat.

year like I've always I'm kind of afraid to have kids meaning like is that just going to does because time it's already moving a lot faster is like is it do kids even make your day go by even quicker than that it puts a time stamp on your crap you know yeah like like my daughter's five and when I think back I'm like like five years it's been five years since that happened you know it's it's crazy and same with it he has two kids and like it's yeah I got a five year old and a three year old so yeah Yeah, they keep you busy. Yeah. You got to have a schedule under your day.

Yeah. Just like that, it goes fast. Having kids, both, both you guys having kids, how do you balance family and touring and being in, like, a band and writing, like, the whole, like, workflow? How do you do that? Well, my wife is in one of the bands on the tour with me. And so we actually, yeah, we bring our daughter with us on the tour. Really? Oh, shoot.

So she's out full time. And, you know, once we blow up, his whole family will be coming too. Yeah. But if it wasn't for my wife, I would be doing, I would tour. I wouldn't be doing that like that. Yeah. She's putting in the work too. Yeah, holding it down, man.

Taking the kids to school, all that. That's dope. Yeah. Super dope, dude. But what do you do when guys get into a fight? We don't. Right. There ain't right.

Time for fighting. Yeah, nobody got time for that. Yeah, there's no time for fighting. Really? Uh-uh. No. Nothing. No.

We're chilling. man I'm like kind of re-rethinking I've always had a thing like once you start leaving once you start doing your thing you kind of have to uh

your your priority is still your sitting in other there always to be number one but you have to devote all your time to something else and I found like when you mix those things I can't like I've seen it all the time

if they bring the girlfriend on tour it's a fucking disaster yeah it's a disaster right yeah I don't know we just um You know, we know that we're out here, like my wife, she sings in my band called The Defect. And we're just out here to make money, you know, we're just doing it. We're out here growing the band, doing our thing.

So it's serious. We're not out like partying. I think that's probably a big reason people would have problems as if they're partying too much or whatnot. And so we don't, no one drinks. We don't party or anything like that. And so we're just out here chilling, especially with our daughter there. That's probably a big reason that everything is so chill too. And so, yeah, we're just relaxing and having a good time and out here working and, you know, yeah.

Because the Brownie has been around since 2005. Yeah. I didn't know that, man. Yeah. 20 years. Congratulations. Thank you. It's, yeah, I started it just with just solo project, just MySpace uploading weird music, you know?

Yeah. And it was mainly I was involved in like the Nintendo core scene on MySpace. Not that. Nintendo core. I mean, heard that in Big. Not that the browning was Nintendo core because I was writing about not Nintendo stuff, but it was the only realm that like the synth mixture with metal was a place online. So I was just involved with all the Nintendo core projects. Shout out to Mario Kill Pikachu.

He's a good dude. And his old project, Mario Kill Pikachu. Nice. Yeah. Can we find him somewhere? That was a long time ago. I don't think it's out there anymore. but do people have been posting demos on youtube

oh yeah demos that you like like I think that yeah that's right there yeah yeah we got it we have a cover he just came to the Denver show the other day so what's up yeah is that artwork legal uh maybe back then I don't know yeah yeah actually can you do that can you put

Mario on a cover I don't that doesn't seem legal Nintendo will be all over that Nintendo does not play back in the early days of the of the internet probably, but probably not anymore. Wow. Yeah.

But, so yeah, the, just synth electronic metal stuff, the, you know, MySpace era, Nintendo core, that's where the Browning started. And I never thought the Browning would be possible as a full band, just because, yeah, I thought I'd have to have, like, seven keyboard players on stage, you know? Yeah. And so I was always in other types of bands, just like standard metalcore, death core stuff and whatever. but I always did the browning on the back end just for fun online.

Yeah, I was going to ask you, Johnny, how did you come across keyboard or the whole, like, electronic side? And so, like, I was, when I was young, I loved DDR. I loved rhythm-based games, like dance games and stuff. And so that was kind of, like, first intro to techno music. And I got really deep into that and got into a version called Stepmania, which is a more extreme version. and because yeah step mania it's a way more extreme version where they you actually get like super hard fast

techno on it and so I got through that I got into like European electronic music and but at the same time you know I was listening to hate breed and Amonimarf and as late dying and so I kind of had this thought in my head because like I was really in the European

hard style dance music which is just fast just hard hitting really dark melodies and then you're in the metal which is dun, dun, and it's all the same crap,

same tempos. It kind of is. Yeah. And specifically hard style is very, um, is very dark melodies compared to stuff like that's on standard DDR because that's like really trancy,

melodic stuff. Yeah. Um, where heart style gets real dark and evil sounding. And so it's like the perfect thing to mix with. And people in the States don't really know heart style like people in Europe do. Yeah. Uh,

people, style. Yeah. And, um, Is this how you spell it? Straight up, art style. Like, you can look up headhunters. He's like the mainstay for European hard style.

Really big in, yeah, really big in like Netherlands and all that sort of stuff. Just hard hitting, dark, electronic music. Can we crank this by like 10 seconds, Jay? Sounds like the Browning, doesn't it? It does. Yeah. John, John, John. Exactly.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you got it. You got it. Same tempos. Like, it's, the melodies are dark, and that's really what triggered me, and, like, this can work. Especially, like, I loved Amonamarth, and I loved Hey, Bray. I love simple guitar riffs. And if you think about, like, Amon Amarth guitar riffs, it's the same almost as, like, a hard style, or if, you know, whan, b'n, you know.

But then you take a synth, b, b, b, b, b, b. It's the same stuff. It's the same stuff. Yeah. And so we don't have guitar leads. We have synth leads that replace, like, a, that, you know. give the melody where the guitar's just frigging, you know, doing it, just chugging, being heavy.

Did you just have, like, a keyboard around your house when you were in diapers? Like, how did you find it? Yeah. So, yeah, from all that, just getting into techno, actually, the biggest influence for me to actually pick up a keyboard was Dream Theater Live at the Boudicom DVD. Jordan Rudas, his keyboard solo on that, I was like. Total Ripper, huh? Oh, yeah, it's crazy.

I mean. George's a goat, dude, he is. He is. and just so unique. And then I also was at the time really loved, you know, like Mushroom Head was a big influence on me early on. They had the keyboards. Romstein, still my favorite band.

And so just, I was just really into that stuff. And yeah, this solo, like his solo on the live of the Boudicom, just crazy stuff. And that really got me into actually picking up a keyboard and playing. And so... He looks like he's so... It looks like when you play as a keyboard, he is... It looks like he's in the keyboard.

Yeah, he is. It's like he is that. He is wild. And so I love that stuff. He's... So cool. And I wish more bands did DVDs again. Band DVDs were a big part of me early being inspired.

Like the Ocean Between Us DVD really made me want to be like full-time musician. That was a... Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know what? I want to tour full-time. I want to bring my wife and kid on tour. Right.

That was a plan, dude. Yeah, for sure. But do people still, how do? Yeah, I guess do people still watch full band DVDs? No, you'd have to put that crap on YouTube and make zero dollars on that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I think everything is like quick content now. It's like, if it's not short, it's like nobody's going to sit there for like an hour anymore. Yeah, it's all like, like, Kiladelphia with Lamb of God, like all this stuff, all those DVDs, I love that stuff. I know. Yeah. Is the live DVD dead or can, can you still do it? It's basically, okay, this is not going to make a profit. I'm going to put up on YouTube and hopefully it funnels into.

I think you just have to, I think you have to upload the whole thing to YouTube and just sell a specialty signed edition or something. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be the only way to make money off it, I think. That sucks. Yeah. It's like how much, like playing music is kind of like, or anything, like, how much free stuff can you give out? Oh, I know.

Just to get people to the shows. The modern world is the best thing for the consumer, but one of the worst things for the artists. But like, and, you know, it's tough. but at the same time like live shows are doing better than ever like and there's there's always other side to it there's ways to make money just got to evolve the you know the people that don't evolve are you know the one struggle the most of people that are it's true and taking advantage in the modern world they're you know especially like online like with keem like his promotion he can do online and get people out to shows this is this tour has been our best tour we've ever done

ever yeah you and keem are kind of like like a powerhouse yeah it's dope the dynamic duo the dynamic duo yeah because it kind of sucks to be a musician because you play music or you choose a certain

instrument or lifestyle because you're not a business person right and you're not a marketer because this is how you play music right but now unfortunately the times have changed and it's the people that are going to break through are the ones that kind of evolve

right you know and it was a big thing thing. Like, COVID was a big changing point for me in my life for a lot of reasons. It was a big double-edged short because I was already planning on taking a year off of touring because we knew Adara was coming. But with it being extended and just all this sort of stuff, I started up a business outside of music.

And that was the first time I had ever actually put effort into something outside of music. And I had always thought that if I put as much effort into like a proper business as I did a band. I'd have success. And it really did do really well for me. And it changed my whole perspective on how to run the band and be able to make it like the band's always been self-sustaining, but that was about it was self-sustaining. And so now, just with my experience the past five years running a business outside of music, it totally, everything now is way better than I could ever imagine. So it's just, I think that band dudes, I've said this a bunch. And I'm trying to talk to a bunch of band dudes about this, but band guys have the perfect entrepreneurial mindset.

They just put it into something that doesn't make money, you know? Yeah. But if they had the, if they had put that same effort into something that did make money, I think that every touring musician has the, the perfect mindset for, like, business. Just, you know, you put it into, like, a product, not, you know, just songs on Spotify. Yeah, what did you, uh, what was like a big takeaway that, that you learned that you apply to your band? mainly like product development then so a big and then also just selling stuff properly on tour like if you think about it like on tour you each person in there is and i don't want any fans to be like

oh he views us as customers but you know it is what you have to do to sustain stuff because i do appreciate fans that love the stuff but like when someone comes to a show like and they're a superfan they might be the biggest fan in the world and willing to spend however much money they can to support you but like you can only sell someone like two t-shirts so they're like okay i have enough t-shirts you know like i don't need more t-shirts than that and so if you develop a lot of unique products like table items like we have 14 items on the table that aren't t-shirts and keem's selling all of it oh yeah yeah yeah we got i don't think keem's happy about it no hey i mean i got do we got do we got do we got flags we got keychades we have puzzles we got puzzles brother

Fingerboards. Yeah, we got finger boards. The mouse pads. Good, good idea. You got a RFID wallets. I need the mouse pad, actually. They're freaking this big. Oh, yeah.

They're ginormous. Yeah. Dude, I need a big mouse pad like that. Yeah. Okay, sick. Yeah, and so basically, like, the biggest thing that could help the band was, um, was, yeah, just that, like, creating actual products rather than just, like, here's a shirt, creating, like, here's a CD, creating, like, almost more, like, things that people would use more often than just, like, wearing a t-shirt. and then being able to increase the money per customer that wants to buy. Sure.

Because someone, like, even if it's an extra $5 per person, you know, if you have $1,000, if you have $1,000 per, like, or 1,000 orders per tour, you're making an extra $5,000, even if it's only an extra $5,000. What's the hot item? What's like the, like, the couple items are like, oh, wow, this is. Fingerboards are really good. Yeah, finger boards are crazy. Right loud, dude.

Is there like a, is there something going on in, like, the finger board? No, it's just everyone, everyone used to write tech decks, play with tech texts all the time. Yeah, the tech deck, dude. I'll show you, I have one in my bag. I'll show you one of them. And so, yeah, everyone loves it. It's nostalgic, and it's something that people don't see. Yeah, yeah.

Smart, dude, let's go, man. And then the puzzles, like, the, like our artwork is one of the biggest things with the band. Like, we don't, the Browning has never had, like, oh, those are the guys, they look like this. What we have is a very specific, like, artwork style. That was one of my questions. So I'm like all, each, you guys have five, six records, correct? I think this last one was six, yeah. Six, okay, yeah.

I noticed, there's like a, there's definitely like a common, it's just, okay, I was like, who does the artwork? It's a very, like, it's a very specific style. Right. It initially was Dan Mumford, who did, he did, like, homesick, a day to run member. He's done, like, Parkway Drive, all that. Oh, okay. He was initial, initial dude.

And he's just, he's just, you. He got real busy. Yeah. So he's who did the first two or three records. Then he started doing crap for like freaking Star Wars or something. And so he's just a little too busy to deal with the. He's like, peace. Yeah, for sure.

So now the, my Kinsuki creations, dude from Philippines, I basically said like, he's super talented. I said, here's this guy's style. Like, can you do it? And he's like, yeah, no problem. And so I've had a couple of different artists now that are just so talented. and somehow they're all from the Philippines. Yeah. There's crazy artists over there.

Did he do the artwork for Omni? No, that is Artmore Fate. Okay. And so our new guy, his name's Artmore Fate. He is doing, he did all the single arts. So that was another thing with the artwork being such a primary thing. Yeah. For this album, every single we released had different artwork for it.

And so with the artwork being such a big thing, we have, you know, we bring five different. five different wall flags, puzzles with the artwork, just utilize. You can do a lot with just a really sick artwork. Yeah. If the artwork is like a primary thing in your band, just plaster it all over the place, you know. Like some bands, the way they look is like the thing. But for us, it's the artwork and the sound. I think that we might be one of the only bands where image matters absolutely zero percent.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah, he did that artwork too, art more fate. And so he's sick. Yeah. When the record come out, it came out last year, right? Was it November, November 7th? Something like that, yeah. Yeah, yeah, something like that. It was it November. Hey, you're here to promote the record. You guys need to know the date.

Right. Wait, it was November, 7th, or 8. It was November 7th or 8. It was November 7th. Something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, new record is out now. Yeah, there's an obdi. Check it out. I like the title track. Yeah. It's a really cool, like, it's a cool, like, cool progression. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, just driving. especially with the title track Omni you know my new band The Defect with my wife The Browning always had two sides of the sound

Because like I said I love like really melodic ambient Like electronic music But then also I just like freaking aggressive Sporadic super heavy crap too And so but and so on a few of the records I would always have a lighter song something that was more like anthemic rock, like synth rock. And so a song like Omni,

we would typically have like one or two like that on each record, one that has a female singer that is just like more big and epic and just, you know, like you said, chord progressions. But then the other 10 songs would just be all overplace crazy freaking breakdowns and, you know, stuff like that. So we realized that the Browning had two subsets of fans, people that liked those softer, more anthemic rock. And then those people,

People only got like two songs per record. Yeah. So we started the defect to have a whole band that is just specifically that sound. Yeah. So then I could focus on the browning being as heavy as possible. And so Omni was a good transition to show people like, this is the defect and that's the sound for that. Like this is where you go for that sound now. Oh, wow.

And but besides that, like Omni, I think is our heaviest record for sure. Oh, yeah. Like overall. Also definitely also the best sounding. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And that was a big thing. That's a big thing with, I think,

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Positive Grid. We have the caps right here. They are the best portable amps out there. Anywhere from handheld amps to these cabs right here. whatever your tone needs are check out positive grid dot com to it sounds hard yeah it's like it's like where you guys going right it's hard to figure out to make it listenable for people that don't particularly like synthesizers you know sure and so um our old drummer cody uh he mixed geist our record geist and isolation i'm really difficult to work with i understand this when it comes to mixing and stuff

because there's so much crap going on. Yeah. And I write everything. And so I hear all these tiny layers that no one else is paying attention to. And so what Cody did for this tour, or for this record, is he set me up a template on my computer. So I could just sit there and just, you know, have a slamming template that I could just dial in my crap, like spend however much time I want to do it and everything. Oh, okay. And so that was a huge help.

And this is the best sounding record because I felt like I had infinite amount of time and manipulation. because I was doing it all with the template that, like, Cody made me. So, yeah, that's kind of, like, the thing about, if you have a lot of layers, uh, they could get kind of lost. And, like, and, like, you kind of have to, like, you want this higher or lower. You, you kind of have, like, a, you have a, like, a stoner brain. Yeah. I love, like, dude, mixing to you the same.

Like, I get so fucking pissed when there's, like, a noise. Uh-huh. But I want it a certain level. I want it if you're sober or you're chilling. Like, you, like, you don't hear it, but if you're really high, you're telling. Because you're like, oh, what is that? Oh, I overanalyze the crap bad. Oh, yeah.

I'm not about it. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. It's really bad how much I overanalyze. And that's why it's hard for me to work with a mixer. Because they might not even, I would say something. They don't even hear it.

And so, and then Keem coming into the band was a big part of this new record being as good as is as his two. Because he originally was a fan of the band. And so he basically was a curator for this being what a fan would likely want to hear. And so, yeah, so him joining the band helped this album quite a bit. So yeah, how did you guys meet? We met and, well, I met him in like 20. Yeah, show him the picture. We got a picture?

We got a picture. Hold on, hold on. Yeah, I pulled it up. Also, shout out to you appealing flesh. Oh, that'll be a little shirt. Love me some peeling flesh, boy. Oh, where that? Right there?

Dang. I met him, what, 20, 2013? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, every time the Browling came to, came to Orlando, I was always there.

That's a photo, dude. Yeah. Ask me like 100 pounds lighter. But, um, it was during COVID. He was doing a podcast of his own, and I was on his podcast. And then we just clicked after that,

started talking. Oh, wow. In 22, he was like, A, the browning started up. is okay now. I had a couple members, you know, leave to, you know, do full-time jobs. Do you want to play for the product? I said no.

I said no? At first? No, yeah. You're like, fuck off, dude. Yeah, I was like, no, I was like, I got a family. I just had a kid. And then, uh... First kid, right?

The first one? No, I already had the first one. So I had a COVID baby. So there's nothing else better to do. So I had another baby. You're just coming, dude, during the independent. Exactly. Exactly.

Exactly. And so he like asked me again. He threatened me this time. And I was like, well, I guess I got to now. So, yeah, I toured. We did the tour and 22. It was like a two-week run. And he was like, yeah, you want to become a member. And I started off with a slinging the strings, slinging the bass. Yeah. Yeah, started off on base. And we had our boy John on that tour too. Yeah, because over COVID, like, people just had to figure out their stuff. So, you know, got promotions at being electrician our old basis, you know, and just worked it out.

And, you know, glad to have, like, I feel like now, you know, I appreciate everyone that's ever been in the band and, you know, toured with the band and everything. But right now, I feel more than ever that not only people in the touring party, but label, booking agent, everybody, I feel like they actually really enjoy the browning for what it really is rather than just a. it being an opportunity. Yeah. And so, like, I really appreciate being surrounded by people

that actually appreciate what the browning, like, really is, because it's a weird thing. I understand, like, I can understand why

some people might not like the browning, you know? Sure. And I've overanalyzed that for a long time to figure out, like,

what to do in with Omni. Um, it really started on the last record end of existence, figuring out, how do I make this more palatable to people that, that the sound is off-putting to.

And, um, Omni, I figured that I think I have now the perfect balance of like, how far do I push the sense? When do I dialing them back? Like, when do I, how do I balance this in a way that, you know, metal people can actually back it? Yeah. And so, yeah. That takes a lifetime of figure, figure out.

Yeah, six albums, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it also takes looking at yourself and realizing you're not all that. Like, you know, you do however many tours with however many massive bands and still are at like a certain level. and then you just look at it and be like okay what's the deal like what can i do to help this situation and starting uh the um the defect was a big part of being able to have the browning stick to its core sound that fans really really enjoy you know congrats man six records 20 years later right yeah yeah he's pulling up the that's all i saw the demo yeah that right there oh boy that's me and my look at that boy

That picture was probably 2008, and that's my brother-in-law. You know the I'm a Snake video? No. I'm a snake. That video? No. You don't? That's weird.

It's insanely viral. He's the I'm a snake guy, and then that video right there. I've never seen this. There it is. What is that? Oh, my. It's, it's. Yeah.

Yeah, so that, we filmed that video. whenever in 2009 went to I'm a snake moved down to Dallas to start the Browning full time and he's my brother and all my sister's husband and they moved me down to Dallas so that I could start the Browning as a full band

Oh wow So you had to So are you from Kansas City? Okay Yeah Yeah and there's like I knew that whenever I was starting to Browning full time I had a tiny bit of torn

experience before realizing I could do the browning. Actually, I wrestled a bear once is who showed me like backtracks. And I had no idea how I could do it before that. And they showed me how they did their sense. And I was like, I can actually do the browning as a full band. And so I knew I was going to be like hyper serious about it. And Kansas City is a good spot, but I didn't really want to start it with friends. I wanted to because I wanted it to be like serious and immediately get out there and do it.

So my sister and him, you know, I was 19 when I'm. made it a full band they moved me down to Dallas so i could find like serious musicians and make it a full band and everything yeah why uh why dallas uh i didn't want to move to l a and yeah sure sure and uh so i was just like thinking about okay where's some good scenes with like really serious musicians and so yeah picked dallas and i found the original members for the band and i already had music written and was like here's the sound this is what the sound that i'm going to do i just need people that are willing to play it and everything and yeah just that the dudes were much older to me and really serious and everything and it was just it was a perfect start to the band

doing it like that what are some other bands that are from the area in dallas yeah um what was uh i don't even know honestly we i moved to dallas but we the first tours we the first shows we played were on tour like oh wow yeah that's cool yeah we didn't do any local shows or anything it was Basically, the drummer at the time, the original drummer, his name was Noah. He immediately just started contacting people to book tours and stuff. And so first tour was in a Honda accord where the U-Haul trailer attached to it and made it happen. And so, yeah, that's the original members and everything. And so got them all down there and we just started rolling with it and making it happen.

So at what point did, so you said that people were starting to get it now? Yeah, for sure. I just think, like, initially my, my thought with the Browning since its inception was to be like the most electronic metal band, right? Okay. So I was like, synths all the time, synths, like, I just want the synth as like. That explains those mixes. Yes, for sure. And I, again, I was, you know, 14 to 19 by time.

Sure. Yeah, yeah. A full band. Okay. So, I get it. I was like, yep, synthesizers, maximum. everything below it even live shows i would have to go tell the front of house guy like synths here everything else here oh you're being that guy i was yeah oh fuck well it's just like because if it

if the synths weren't loud then we just sound like a really bad metalcore band yeah but then we would sound like a really bad metalcore band with synthesizer so you know at least it was something unique but the and so i was just very adamant about it to the to the point that it probably was a detriment looking back on it and especially like you know we were on some big stuff back then So we had a lot of eyes on us. Yeah, it's a tour on like Fear Factory. Static X. And so finding the balance definitely was the thing that really, and also I think any band can really make it happen if they just freaking stick to their crap, you know?

Yeah, man. And just stick to what you're doing and just, you know, be confident about it. I think that any band can make it happen if they do that. That's awesome. Did you ever, do you ever meet Wayne Static at all? Yeah. I think the tour we did the thing. was his last one.

Was his last one? I think. It was either his last or second the last one. Fuck. Yeah. Do you guys talk at all? A little bit, yeah. Yeah.

Our drummer at the time was, he was doing some stuff. He did an interview with him for a magazine and stuff. And they had like a barbecue day and stuff and everything. Really? Yeah. Yeah. So he was hanging? Yeah.

Yeah, he was all good. And yeah, then their whole crew, everyone was super nice. and same with Fear Factory like Dino is super nice to the Browning whenever we toured together he even at one of our songs was his ringtone on his phone and he he told me he was like

that he viewed the Browning is like the modern version of what like Fear Factory was when it started like adding industrial elements and stuff and so what did you think you're like is this happening right now? Yeah definitely you know it's they are definitely very different

but like as far as Fear Factory goes, I just, even more so in the modern browning, I've taken more influence from Fear Factory even than I did back then. Yeah, cool. Just that, I just love how punishing their chugs and how fast and just like, he's still the goat, man. Oh, I know. I would love to do Crave with Fear Factory again.

I just, um, they're just so fast and heavy. And I just love that stuff. And so even in the modern browning, I've taken way more influence from Fear Factory than even back then. Yeah, man. We're, we're in a Sanboats. Sometimes, like, you listen to those older records. I'm, man, like, so many bands just fucking ripped this song.

Yeah, for sure. I'm like, oh, I didn't write this script. Do you know, I wrote it in fucking 96, dude? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, he's one of the best rhythm players of all time. Oh, yeah. Especially for something like the Browning, like, we're all rhythm beside the synth, you know?

Yeah. And so it's taking influence from that sort of stuff. Definitely is huge. And so, yeah. And I think that the modern browning is the heaviest it's ever been. And that's probably another reason people are a lot more into it. And so. Okay.

So you mentioned that a Kim joins and then, Kim, it seems like you approach it as like a fan. Yeah. Did you tell them anything? Hey, this is kind of what I think I want to hear. Yeah, like the different types of like breakdowns and just like, because, you know, my chat, like, I'm all about the breakdowns and I know what people like.

So like, I would tell them back, he'd be like, hey, how's this? I'd be like, ah. It can use a little work or, you know, I'll lead him in the right direction. And making songs that have the viral potential for sections, you know? Yeah. And the spots where if he was to make a clip for it, it would be viral, you know? Right.

Oh, wow. And so whenever you actually think about that when you're making the music, then you're at least at a minimum just making very impactful, exciting sections. True. You know? And so that's always in mind when, writing this stuff is how can we catch a reactor off guard and how can we surprise them in some way because i i do miss the days when metal and and especially like death core was a lot more

surprising abrupt and like would catch you off guard some stuff yeah um some like i you know modern death core is great but a lot of it is too straightforward and not like dynamic enough for me sure and so if you keep them in mind like okay let's create some some spots that will just you know, catch people way off guard. Like, they don't know what's coming. Like, especially with the Browning, like, we'll do a big buildup where they're thinking that's about to go into like some crazy breakdown

and just pop in a super hard, hard style part, you know? Yeah. Just getting the techno and they're like, what? Yeah. And then you bust it into a breakdown. They're like, what? And so. With the, the first song we dropped from the album was poison.

It was like the new era. A lot of people was like, oh, I'd never listen to the Browning. You know, or they'll say like, Oh, the name off put me, but this song is great. It's like Poison was like the song that like turned to eyes was like, all right. The browning is the browning is back or the browning is, we got it. We got to pay attention to the browning. Yeah, and it was definitely the first one that really showed how heavy the browning could be.

Yeah. And so, yeah. It's great. Was that with the tip that the guy got from King? Yeah. And it was definitely with in mind being like. let's make this song have like three sections that are like shareable you know and so because a lot of songs they'll it'll hit the middle section and that's the moment people like oh that's a shareable part

poison has like five sections that that people which this part's ridiculous oh this part's even more ridiculous and so like that song itself has like literally five shareable moments in it yeah and also like like his vocals because like i always said like he's a great vocalist but i feel like in all the past albums, he, like, held his self back because he never really used his vocal rage to his, like, full extent. So, like, releasing, like, poison as, like,

the first single, people was like, oh, I didn't know he could do pig squeals or I didn't know his vocals he'd get like that. So, like, this whole album, like, he... And a big part of... A big part of that was because I was trying to be that middle ground, like I said, we had fans that liked the more melodic

side and the fans that liked the more chaotic side. So I was trying to not do, like, off-putting crap to the people in the middle. Sure. And so again, my band The Defect totally opens me up on the browning to do whatever. I think it's seven of the 10 songs on the record has pig squills on it. Yeah. It's good. It's almost not doing. I'm sure people aren't complaining about. Oh, no. No. Like what you're going into it, like creating moments. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of what you want in a song.

You want, you want create moments. Yeah. And you have like, you literally have like a marketer, literally right. Oh, for sure. Definitely. I could head band to this. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Like, if I post a clip of this, will it go viral, you know? If I'm listening to it, like, let's say I'm listening to the three songs back to back, I would be able to choose a spot in each song that makes it, remember. I'll be like, all right, that's Poison. All right, that's Omni. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I would have remembered the song, not just, it all sounds like the same. And one thing with Poison, too, that it's something I've always done, but to a lesser degree when writing, like, I was, I did master class, like Hans Zimmer Masterclass. Oh, really? Yeah. And with like cinematic like building and songwriting, it's all about like building tension

and then releasing that tension. And Poison is such a perfect example of that. Because there's these moments where it's just so intense and you're like, oh, it's going crazy and then it just drops. And then there's just this build of tension up to this just massive release of tension. And that song does it like three times.

Just a huge build to a massive release attention and that's what i mean with a lot of modern deathcore is it's it's like it goes hard and then it's just this the whole way through yeah yeah where like to to really have like to me impactful music that is um that gets people excited you bring it down and then you build this slow slow tension and build tension and then just let this like big breath of release happen and even though the big breath of relief is a massive freaking breakdown with big swills it's still like you can feel the tension release where you're whatever it hits.

Yeah, that's what we did back in the day. We didn't even know what we were doing. Right. Building attention. I guess people like that abrupt change. Exactly. Thrash to a blast to the heaviest breakdown. Yeah.

Yeah, we didn't even know if we were doing that. Right. It's kind of like a natural. It's funny because it's kind of, the music's kind of going full circle. Yeah. I noticed like a lot of people trying to be like the heaviest thing possible. Right. But we did that back then without trying.

Like those notes are what I felt. Right. Like I didn't care about being the heaviest thing ever. Yeah. But now, like, I'm doing the same thing. Like, oh, yeah. Especially now with, like, modern gear. Yeah.

Oh, for sure. There's shit. I can do now. I'm like, oh, dude, this wasn't possible. Like, now I have all, like, these, these, these, uh, pedals and tools. I'm okay. But now it's like, I'm feeling the same thing. Right.

Well, I'm playing, like, this sounds part of the heaviest I've ever played. Right. But I don't care. Right. It's, I'm a fucking broke guy right now. I'm ready to kill people. Like, yeah. Just like I was when I was, you know, 80s.

18. Right. And I wonder how much of it back then was because a lot of it was probably like jamming versus now like a lot of music is sitting behind a computer. And so like it just like happened naturally then because it probably was just sitting around and write music with the dudes. It is hard to have it like because I've never written music jamming. I've always been behind a computer doing it. And so the the live environment is always in mind like when writing stuff. Yeah, you really have to have to have. think about that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. If it's just you, just kind of. Exactly. Do you ever send stuff to Kim? Oh, yeah.

How was this? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I, I'll, like, if I'm in the middle of the process, like, I'll live stream stuff over to them. Like, we'll work on stuff while live streaming it. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Well, this was going to be my lead-off question, but we went, we started talking. Yeah. So what's your beef with corn, dude? What's like? Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Go ahead.

Go ahead. That was a perfect example of fake news. Absolutely. Yeah. He cut me out of context trying to get me to hell some dirt. Yeah. Big time. It was the best thing ever because it's like, it proves that people, they'll look at like a clip, take it and run with them.

Oh, dude. It's the worst. It really is. If you went literally 20 seconds before that clip, it was me talking about how corn was the most influential band on me as a kid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a scary thing about clips, dude.

Right. Oh, man. Ooh. No. He dealt me some dirt with those ones. Yeah, I sure he did. I wrote a comment on this somewhere. Yeah, I remember your comment too.

Said, I would never tort the brownie. Yeah. Yeah, people was like, who's the browning? Yeah. Oh, I got race sharing on that. They're like, really? You have 8,000 followers.

You're really going to talk about corn? Yeah. I was like, corn doesn't know you blow, bro. Like, it's all good. Now I will say, okay. So what I was making the point on in that because corn is one of the most. Explain yourself. Yeah, okay.

Let me explain it. They are one of the most influential bands on me, straight up, one of the first heavy bands. But like to listen, because we were talking about discographies, and from a discography as a whole, there's some stuff with corn that, like, I just skip. It's weird stuff, which totally fine. They go off the wall, some weird sounds, just some noises and stuff. Like that, I'll just, I'll skip past because, like I said before, I like straightforward. stuff a lot of times. And so some of their stuff

a little too weird for me to just sit down and listen to, but then their good songs are like top tier best band in the world, you know? So that what, you know, you go to Taco Bell sometimes and you, it almost kills you. But then sometimes it's the best meal you've ever ate in your life. It's true.

Oh, that is? Oh, wow. Especially after a show? That's when I was my campaign. After show, what? You're midnight? Yeah. When you see a Taco Bill at midnight, you're like, it's my lucky. Yeah. That's what I'm. saying and so that was my comparison you know sometimes

not the best sometimes absolutely top tier best thing in the world yeah so yeah so you decided to leave that parted clip out right oh I for sure did he dealt me some dirt right yeah I for sure did hey got you to comment on it it worked yeah it worked yeah worked him up yeah yeah as long as you have a partner

it's so it's fun yeah yeah yeah yeah oh yeah we're just talking crap that's all it is I mean some people agreed with you so I was surprised how many people actually agreed with it. That accompanied by surprise, to be honest. I was, whenever he... A Zissmovedown is a prime example? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know that. Yeah, I love that, ma'am. I have, like, three school year photos in a row wearing the same Sysmoverdown hoodie. Yeah. Yeah. People love that band, yeah. What, you don't? Oh, yeah.

Okay. I don't love them. It's just, I was more of, like, the corn guy. Okay. But we were talking to high school, it's like, they're the one band that's like, if you put on a record, it's like, it's full of singles. They're like the only band that's like that

Everybody's like that, this could all That could be a single too That could be a right Yeah I love them so much I have a question for you guys Okay what's your Taco Bell band Yeah Taco Bell band

Yeah what's who's the worst and the best Yeah Who would you be your Taco Bell band Oh best and worst Wow I never thought about that ever I was gonna say suicide sounds But I joke around like We're the best worst worst band of all time

You think so We're on it Like literally Like no one can touch us Right When we're off It's literally like If we're 90%

It fucking sucks Yeah We're we're energy based band And when the energy is off To it is fuck I could Feel it It's so weird

We've done tours We just like Oh this is fucking terrible Yeah But so But as far our other band What Taco Bell band

That's a new category Everyone Comment Yeah Comment who's your Taco Bell band Slipmuts Pretty Taco Belli

Yeah I agree with you see I suppose that's a Taco Bell band Yeah I think those first four records are sick Hey look at you go Hey Getting it

Yeah hashtag yoga Yeah But yeah I think slip my His first four records Are sick But the rest

I just kind of don't bother with it Yeah Yeah Yeah I think when like There's there's some point We're like You kind of need to put out

New records Still just to remind people Hey we Yeah we can still We can still Play this way Yeah you can come See our old songs

Still come out to our tours You know Now I I'd slip not one of the bands from that era I never I never listened to but I was so into I pretty much immediately went recording system of it down and did hate breed into like annotations of an autopsy so like I kind of skipped a big portion of yeah yeah kind of mainstream metal stuff yeah and annotations autopsy like all that stuff is what got me into I was doing the browning already but I wasn't doing vocals on it it was instrumental and I'd have a friend do vocals every now and then but like I Annotations Autopsy, Waking the Cadaver, that sort of stuff was the first, like, heavy, heavy stuff I got into and got me into doing vocals. So, like, you know, that's how I learned pig squeals was the first vocals I could ever do. And, yeah, it's just, you know, all inhale stuff and still this day, 100% my vocals are all in you.

Are they really? 100%. Oh, shit. I heard, I heard that's bad for you. Is that, is that true? So that's a big thing. I was going to make a whole freaking, whatever video about this. It's, I think that the inhale thing is one of the biggest misconceptions in the rumor, right?

Well, it's like people just, there hasn't been like a case study on this as if there would be it. But like if there's a case study, it's likely me. Because I've been doing inhale vocals 100%, no other vocals for, you know, 20 years and touring like 300 days a year back in the day. And so people always say it's bad for your voice. it's bad for this and I'm like can you tell me one extreme vocalist that does exhales that hasn't destroyed their voice completely yep been there

yeah so like why can how can people say that inhale's destroy your voice when it's very blatant that exhales destroy your voice so what's the point what's the point of even talking about inhale's destroying your voice right wow yeah it could be one of those things that you hear it once or oh I think

maybe that's right yeah I mean you know what they say is like oh your vocal cords are meant to project sound not like you know like inhale sound but again like i think that it's i don't have throat problems at all from inhales ever not once they don't affect my voice at all and like no stamina issues on stage i don't even think about it just i don't even think like i'm doing inhales it just that's what happens and it started because that first thing i learned was pig squeals and i kind of rotated it into just learning how to make it go high make it go low just do the thing and i'll do it right in

front of people and they still don't believe in it's in heels i think i'm joking yeah yeah huh yeah i didn't really think about that man yeah you're like you've been doing an inhales longer i can't think of a band that's been doing it longer than you and i think that there probably is but i think that there's such a stigma people are scared to talk about it yeah but i'm i'm not scared of anyone talk crap on me so i don't care that is the main ingredient to be yeah doing anything public well and people talk about like how unique my vocal sound you know my vocal sound You know? And I'm like, well, it's because I'm doing it in a different way. So you think some singers are keeping it in a secret?

I do. I'm not going to put anyone on blast. You should. Help me out, dude. I'm not putting anyone on blast because there's some people that I can sound exactly like, you know? And I'm like, there's only one way that that's really going to happen, I think. And I think that there's a big stigma and people are scared to be, to have anyone talking crap on them. But I think that it is. Where they're from?

I'm just asking where I'm in date Planet Earth Yeah Planet Earth okay The US What a what what country No and so I really do like You know like on my Instagram

I have a video of me doing Acapella Deathcore vocals It's one of them Uh No it's not that one But like That's the one further down Yeah

Yeah the one far A little bit down from that Yeah Acapella death core vocals. Oh, okay. Like, that's inhale? All of it. And also it's like, it's louder than most of these people are exhaling even. Interesting. And, um, because there's a lot of vocalists that they do on exhales, but they're super quiet. Like, they're able to be quiet, which they do that to preserve the voice. Sure. Um, but people don't think that you can project with inhales and it's just, I think

it's just one of the biggest stigmas ever. And I'm here to just say, because I, I used to record bands a lot back in the day, like local bands. Yeah. And I remember I was sitting here, in this band. They're all like freaking 14 years old or something, but they, uh, they were, they had two vocalists. One dude that did exhales and then this other guy came up to record and they were like, oh, by the way, he does inhales. And they're all like laughing. I'm like, I do all inhales. And they just bust up laughing thinking that I'm just like, and so like, even the dude in their band, they're talking crap on him doing. And so it, we're all making stupid sounds. It doesn't matter how you do it, whether it's exhale, fry, inhale, whatever. Yeah, how do you start

doing that how do you uh yeah how do you like approach uh starting to do i do that inhale's yeah well with me it was pigs wheels because pigs wheels really the only way to get like the real like waking the cadaver type picks wheels is inhale like and to be able to get like the really like tweety kind of really high ones like and uh most people it it just tickles the crap out of their throat that's why they stop immediately because like and uh it just tickles their throat so bad that they stop where it's really, if you just think about opening up your throat a lot more, that's the big thing is when people try it, they don't open their throat enough. But yeah, I can understand the tickling, but it's just a weird thing.

And vocals are different for everyone, so just do whatever works for you. And there was a band that I joined in 2009, The From Out Here, and I did this whole audition for Open Audition they had online, and I joined and then whenever I got there I won this whole vocal audition contest got out there and we were practicing about to do a tour and I said you guys know I do

all inhales they're like what? You have to change that. What are you talking about? Like you guys like it? Like why would I change it now? Crap. And it just shows the stigma even more, you know? Wow. Well you can't you can't fuck with time. 20 years dude Yeah. The proofs in the pudding as they say.

You should do you should do the studies with Elizabeth Zara. I hit her up. Did you? I did. Yeah, she liked my message. She didn't say anything, but I was like, someone's got to show this. I got to, I'm trying to get it out there, let people know it's okay.

Like, don't just be yourself, dude. Keep trying. Right. The thing about her is, I think she's busy. And also, she kind of got, some things just choose you. Right. And she's not like an extreme metal person. Right.

But, I mean, she's the perfect. Yeah. It's analyze. She's the perfect person to analyze what's going on. Right. So I think she kind of got thrown into the whole, like, extreme metal scene. Yeah. You know, he's got some really good vocals on him.

Yeah? No, I'm not. He does. His old band, what is it? More than you can bear. More than you can bear. He has some freaking eyes on him. For real.

He used to have some highs on me. That's why I'm trying to get him more involved with as much backing vocals as possible, just to, and even in poison a lot of the new songs. He's on quite a bit of the record. Really? Yeah. Nice. Are you doing an inhale's tour or? No, I do exhale.

I try inhale's. It's like, and they're like tick with my throat. And then I'm like, I'll be coughing. Yeah. I'll be coughing on blood if I try inhale. But yeah, I do, I do exhale. Cool. Yeah.

Well, Keem, how did you start doing the thing with like just making all the videos? How did that start, man? All right, all right. So I used to, so after being in like a local band, I used to do this thing. Where you from? I'm sorry. Florida. Florida. Yeah, Florida. Okay. Florida. So where? Like, you know, like Daytona area. Okay. Close to Daytona. So before I did the YouTube thing, I used to do like this thing where I'll go around to like places and I went mosh. Well, before I did the, before the moshes I do now.

It's great photo. But, oh, that's a sexy chocolate. Man, come on, Val. I used to, like, mosh to people's, like, breakdowns. And then I started to, you know, I would do it, like, inside of, like, stores and stuff like that. I got kicked out. So I was like, oh, I got to find something else. Yeah. So then I started doing, like, the reaction channel and stuff like that.

And started posting clips, and it started taking off. And then, oh, yeah, this is why you never let me have an Insta 360 in my hand, boy. I go crazy. Yeah. I think I started this as well, like, two, three years ago. Yeah, I love it. You started doing reactions like six years ago. Yeah, yeah, reaction six years ago, but like the Insta 360, like...

The streetmosh. Yeah. Yeah. Sick. I like how, I really like how it doesn't matter what band it is. Like you even do the reactions to like small bands. Yeah. It's cool.

Yeah. It kind of gives them like a little push. Yeah. I feel like some of these smaller bands sound better than the bigger bands. That's just. some of these bands be putting in work and it's just such a saturated market it's hard to really get out here now yeah so it's like it's it's a numbers game now it really is like i do that's why i be telling these bands like if you guys are if you're just releasing music that can only get you so far you guys have to

be out here like promoting your music you guys got to you they they got to see who's behind the music you gotta start doing content something something to get the edge over something somebody else so always got to put yourself out there yeah yeah the times times are changing yeah yeah and reaction and stuff like that um i think that they give small bands an opportunity for like advertisement where if because you know a lot of reaction pages will charge to be able to do it and like you can either yeah you can either put money into oh absolutely or you can throw money into like a Facebook ad and get it seen by you know a couple hundred random people or you give it to a reactor that is going to mark you directly to people that

are like the music that you are you know and so it's it's a really easy way for bands to be able to invest a little bit into getting their song heard by like a direct market rather than throwing it randomly into Instagram or something you know yeah man yeah yeah we were talking that's why keem i really uh respect you for uh pushing the smaller bands. Yeah. Because we, me,

me and Jay had, have been talking, like, we're thinking about getting, like, local bands in here. Yeah, there you go. Because they,

they don't have, like, where else are they going to go? For sure. Yeah. And because press kind of sucks, which is why we're, doing this.

Man, yeah, we just have, like, some local bands in here, dude. Yeah, for sure. Dude, you know, push, because you,

you don't know. Like, like, like, we had peeling flesh back, back in here this month in that pod, that one did way,

I mean, I didn't, yeah, after four years of doing this thing full time, that, pillet flesh is hard. That EP popped. Yeah. No, no idea. Yeah, G-code. I saw you had Calatashi in here, too. Yeah.

Yeah. Peter's a great guy. Dude, yeah, he's super sick. You mean a lot of, man, some people are just one, one-in-one. Yeah. You know, it's like, man. Yeah. Peter's just a one-in-one guy.

He's a one-of-one guy. He's funny. Like, it took me a little bit to get accustomed to his vocals, but I love his vocals, because it's so different. I love it. Also, that's how you stick out. Yeah, it really is. That's how you got to stick out. So what, so Kim, what, uh, what happened?

So you're playing bass and now, and now you're riffing. Yeah, he forced me to go to guitar, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. I did. Because you, you play a bass your whole life. Yep, yep, bass, four-strained whole life. You're, okay, also it's rare, like, your actual bass player,

or not like a guitar, going to bass. A lot of bass player just filled guitar player. Right, right. But you're actually like a bass player. Base player, yeah. What were you jamming as like a kid? I think the first song I covered was, I think it was chop suey. Nice.

System over down. That's cool. And then like, I got a little cocky when I was younger. So I was like, let me try some Victor Wu and stuff. Oh, my God. Failed it. Of course. I was like, oh, I could do that.

That looks so easy. Failed it. It looks easy. You said that to yourself? Wow. I mean, when you're, when you're young, looking at him like he's just he just makes it look so easy but uh yeah not even close um failed miserably he is he is such a crazy base is he uh is he why you got the four string

what's that is he why you went you went you went to the straight straight straight straight to four strings oh so the reason i had the four string is because my parents could afford the five that'll do it as well yeah so uh i was i it was like ibalaz i start with like ibalaz it was a So I had that for like the longest. And, uh... Nice. Yeah, I just started covering anything I could. I think I, the first song was System of Down and then I started doing, uh, like, Devil Wars Prada, Ascal Alexandria.

Nice. I think I still, I think I still have some covers up on my YouTube channel. I think I do. A MIS cement up on there or something like that. Do I have a bicement up there? Yeah, type of, yep, yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, we got chemo on the base.

Oh, I forgot about this one. chemo on the back. Oh, my goodness. I forgot about this one. It was full production. I did a full production thing, too. Glasses and all. Boy.

Oh, it sounds good. That's a great bass tone. Oh, I think it was right at dark glass. Oh, yeah, I was right a dark glass. Dark glass. If you're just listening, he's playing a four-string fender. Yeah. The dude, think about Fender.

Aerodine, baby. No matter what genre music you are, like the Fender bass is, will always be the king. There you go. So you got your own little seven. I love it, dude. I love it, dude. I saw it out, baby. It's still weird that it's the thing.

Yeah. It's weird. That's the first, first, is that the first seven? It's the first ever Fender Hardtailed Semispring. So, uh, so, so the bridge is actually like a hardtail and that's the first ever made, uh, like, seven string version. Nice, man. I got, uh, congrats, dude. Thank you, man.

It's crazy. Yeah, Fender's cool, man. I live in the same town. Yeah. I live in Corona. Born, born raised, so they're literally down the street. Yeah. So I was go there all the time and bug them.

Yeah. Make me as Evan. Make me a seven. And they realized that this kid's not going anywhere. Yeah. It's like, let's do it. Years past, I've heard yes, no, maybe. Yeah.

No's no. And then in my hand. There you go. What? That's awesome, dude. Yeah. Anything's possible, dude. Anything is possible.

Dude, one thing I learned, especially in this fucking business, dude, persistence. Mm-hmm. Persistence, dude. Just like keep, if you love it, And it's you just keep asking, keep doing, keep working, keep putting your head down. Yeah. And then you'll hear a no and you'll be disappointing.

They keep putting your head down again. Eventually you put your head up and something is, something just works out. Definitely. Yeah. And with him switching over to guitar, it was mainly just, again, both of us have families. We knew we were going back to touring full time, like 100%, because for a few years was just doing, you know, some really key touring or just whenever we had important stuff we needed to tour on. Yeah. Now we knew going into this album cycle that we're going back 100% as much touring as we can possibly do.

We both have families. We both have bills to pay. One less person helps that quite a bit. And so three piece, both the Browning and the defect are three pieces. Same drummer for both bands too. Oh, wow. Yeah, he's just in a mask for the defect. And so we got two full bands with four total people.

Yeah. And so going into touring full time just so that we can make sure it's as beneficial, like, monetarily for everyone in the touring party. You know, cut one person out, put that base on a backtrack and just go for it. And also, like I said before, the browning, like I feel like image doesn't necessarily matter for the browning. I think sound is pretty much the reason people are there. And then also just thinking about it, like, why do people go to a Browning concert? they don't go to see how good the bass player can freaking hit that, you know, G string. It's like, and if you go to a rave or an EDM concert, they're not, people aren't in there, where's the base coming from?

Like, who's playing the base right now? Well, they're out there on drugs. Well, hey, but, and so, but, like, whenever people are out of Browning show, just for the energy, not necessarily, who's playing what, where's this coming from? And so basically, we get as few people on the stage, which as, with as much lighting and production. as we can and that gives the vibe and the energy that we that I think works for the browning I don't think every band can go three piece I think that like obviously if it's a shreddy band you should have two guitarists you should you know have stuff going on but for a band that plays breakdowns with synthesizers you know sure do we really need someone up there just hitting the open note for an hour and plus we we we take up a lot of space we do we take up a lot of space on stage some big boys yeah how did you uh how did you uh how did you try transition from my base to just fucking riffing. Prayers, honestly. Haydh, praying.

Playing work's men. Yeah, prayer. Who's women like that anymore? Besides who sounds like that? Yeah, I know they wouldn't know like that. Nah, he would be. It was like, oh, crazy. Yeah.

Luckily, the browning, the bass and the guitar is pretty much the same crap's happening. Nice. And so. Top straight, boy. Yeah, well, he's playing on a seven, but I'm telling you, like, Ain't nothing getting touched past the top three, like for sure. Fuck, yeah.

Literally, yeah. Let's go. Yeah, and Kiesel hooked it up. Kissel. Shout out the Kisel. That's a Kisel, right? It looks nice, man. Yeah, I appreciate it.

It's hot, dude. It's hot. It's hot. Shout to Kisle. Yeah, shout out the Kisle. So, how many tours have you done playing? The second. This is the second.

Second full tour. We did a couple of sporadic little runs. Oh, like little. Okay. Yeah, but this is the second full tour. On guitar. Yeah, all guitar. Yeah.

What's the rig? Was that? Was it with him? What was the rig? Oh, we run everything. All of our stuff 100% through logic. And so...

Oh, that's okay. I asked Kim Nehadeh. You're ripping. You want to play on the podcast. I was like, I cannot slow. I was like, listen, I just got a phone. Yeah, it's all up in the rack. All 100% through logic.

Vocals, guitars, literally everything. So neural DSP, the go zero tone. Oh, yeah. That sounds like that goes zero. Yeah. We run that on everything. straight up like it's barely processed outside of what's naturally there so gozur tone with neural dsb that crap is next level

shout out gozira oh yeah I don't know how they fucking made that that uh that that preset I don't know it's perfect it's really perfect and everyone uses it and they all sound different right I'm like because I was like I don't want to use it because I don't want to sound like that band uh-huh right I was like someone said no that's the one I get them out okay I'll get it downloaded it put it on the on the quad I was like Yep. Oh, it sounds like me.

This sounds nothing like the band. Yeah. And I was like, heard all the other bands started saying that they used that certain pre-sum. Oh, wow. I don't know how they did that. Yeah. It's a great tone that you can put yourself into. It's perfect.

And I love it. I was actually on pod farm all the way up to this record. Pod farm. Pod farm. Yeah. It was so hard for me to get away from my tone that I had. I was like. The pod farm.

Let's go. Not right there forever. And with just how digital the browning sounds, and I wanted to sound digital. And so even whenever you run everything through logic, whether it's vocals, guitars, whatever, you can, like, if you have a breakdown, this, you can literally automate on all volumes

to make it to where it's just super choppy. It sounds perfect. The first band I saw do that, we toured with a band called Casino Madrid forever ago. That's a band, yeah, Casino Madrid. And they were another, electronic influence band, but they, they ran everything through logic. And even vocals, they'd run through logic.

And they would have these vocal glitches, you know, that bands do. But they actually did it live where he'd screaming the mic and their logic would automate on off his channel. So he's doing like live vocal glitches and stuff. Yeah. Oh, wow. And so that's where like running everything through logic. I'm like, man, like, let's just do that. We can, you can automate effects. You do all like the vocal processing, do the guitars through it, just everything.

Yeah, nice. Yeah, super simple. So our whole setup is a 20 space rack. 20 space rack and that's it. 20 space rack and lighting. We're good to go. Boom, that's it. You don't got to deal with a stupid bass player.

Yeah, no, F them. For real. That's, that's no, no offense came back. Hey, chain reaction. That's where we're at tonight. Unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah.

Nobody's sick out of show, dude. Yeah. I want to stop by. You'll do it. Yeah. I might have room on the guest list for you, maybe. Please. I really appreciate that, dude.

There's, there's, I'm not, I'm not gonna put her on blast, but there's, I was talking to you like, a manager, hey, you want, you want to come on to the show? I'm like, yeah, sure, thank you. I go and I wasn't on the list. Oh, but then I realized whenever I text his manager to try to, I'm trying to get like, there, a lot of bands are managed by their wives. Yeah.

A lot of band members. So this, okay. So I'm trying to get this guy on, I'm like, oh, I'll hit her up every, like, once. a while and she keeps calling me Ricky. Rookie. Rookie? Ricky.

Oh, Ricky. And I don't want to correct them. Right. Oh. So it's been like a year. So one text I sent was like, hey, it's Chris Garza again. You kind of like kind of say it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. After that, hey, Ricky. Yeah. It's like, do I look like a Ricky?

I probably do, huh? I probably do. I was like, fuck, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With the company I started up, it got me just into manufacturing. like crazy and so i've kind of just got into starting up like multiple companies and started

of a finger finger board company called fed up finger boards and that's what got me starting to do a bunch of uh like different unique merch items for the band was uh started a fingerboard company and tested them out for the band realized how much that stuff act and so i've done victims boards done boards for filth yeah uh getting uh rotating the experience in manufacturing into making unique items for bands and everything. That's what I'm working on. Yeah. We need a suicide silence one, dude.

Let's do it. I'll tell you, I promise you will sell, I don't care how many you buy. You will sell every one of them. It's a thing, huh? Yeah. Wow, that's the top one. Okay. Uh-huh.

Sick. You will sell every single fingerboard you have. Hmm. Yeah. And it's because it's just unique. I love that, dude. Nick, he's a good kid. Yeah.

He's a good dude. I have a business idea. Yeah. But it's either going to make me rich or flop. Yeah. Because I've been playing golf since I was in diapers. Yeah. And I'm like, I got a polo shirt from signs to the swarm, like the white logo here. So I could wear it when I go golfing.

Yeah. It's only ban. I want a band shirt, but a golf shirt. I want a company. It only makes ban polo shirts. There you go. So people can wear it when they go out golfing. Or get some more.

Yeah, dress up band shirts. So it's super niche, but I'm not sure, you know, either blow up and every golfer that plays metal or be like you know we'll get it or no one will get it no buy that shit and then then i'm fucked probably make expand it to where it's like just like all sport wear for band band sport okay you know so you sell bowling jerseys right yeah bowling i just band i ban i ban sport stuff my dude i want i want a fucking polo corn shirt nothing i want a polo cannibal shirt yeah to call golfing and fucking is how about your band shirt but it's also it looks nice right i was like man this could be like a thing.

True. Yeah. But it'll either blow up or I'll... Everyone's like, oh, you got to dress up nice for whatever this occasion in. So if you have, like, like, ban, like, nice attire. Yeah. I can make it happen for you. Dude, let's fucking do it.

Yeah. I'm either going to... Yeah, so either it'll blow up or it'll flop and I'll have to quit doing this and quit doing the podcast. There you go. Going under, dude. I know, you never know. Do you say this dude?

You just don't know. I can never imagine, like, the, like, the fingerboard thing will be a thing. Right. That's fucking dope. I think the big thing just with anything is doing something that yet that people haven't seen on the table for like I said we're doing puzzles on this tour Like yeah and I mean they're moving and it's just unique. It's different and Puzzles cool. Oh yeah I know the one this is always a hot cake but a panties

Oh yeah girls underwear yeah I don't like re-print them but whenever we print them they're fucking gone. Yeah, I was like I don't I think I think the Cause I mean this is really geeky shit, but that like the cost of profit ratio is just not good right. Yeah, you know It's kind of one of one of those things kind of like hoodies are trying to be that way too. Oh my God. Or like you can't sell hoodies for too much but the cost of them are just like oh yeah we're our cost. Man that's something people don't realize too. Yeah. On the back end like my cost on a hoodie for this tour where it's been like $38 a hoodie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tidey too. Yeah. So they're sick. So people see that and it's even some it this is all. post-COVID. Like, I used to be able to get like a, you know, a front and back white t-shirt for, you know, nine bucks or something.

And now, or even cheaper sometimes, now it's, you know, you're spending $14 or $13 on a nice shirt. And so the price increase for merchandise is crazy. It sucks. But I will say, with that being said, people are supporting more than ever. Oh, yeah. The shows are popping off. This is the most merch we've ever done by far.

Congratulations. And this is the first time we've ever sold out shows before show. And so it's a big deal, man. It is. Congratulations, dude. So we're selling out. Yeah, I know. We would have good walkups always, but we've never sold out shows preemptively.

And this store, we've had like four or five sold out preemptively. And so it's a unique feeling the modern day of the browning of, you know, people turning up like this. Who else is on the tour? Filth. Filth. Yeah, the nicest southern boys you'll ever meet in a Death Corps band. I love them so much. and we got Dropout Kings and then my other band The Defect

Double Duty, nice. Oh yeah, I'm doing two sets of night. Do you guys just announce another one? Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like a B market thing, right? A B market and it's something I've wanted to do forever is take out, do a proper collaboration of electronic and metal.

And so Swarm is a DJ. He's like a heavy DJ. And so it's literally electronic rock, DJ, and then electronic metal. the whole package. And so it's an annual thing we're going to start doing electronic core. And like next, this is the first test to see, okay, what's it like if we have a, an hour-long DJ set between bands? Uh, the thing is he's a really high energy DJ.

He's really good and he plays heavy stuff. Cool. Um, but like next year for electronic core 2026, the plan would be like three bands, three DJs. And then probably inevitably evolved to like festival, like a proper combination of electronic music and metal. I'd be sad. Yeah.

And if there's any band of the world, it's gonna do it. It's gonna be us. Well, you've earned your spot. Yeah. You know? I think, yeah,

once you get to 20 year mark, everyone can just shut the fuck up. Right. I think that's what you really earned. Yeah. Like, I go fucking do whatever I want. Right, for sure. That's it, dude.

It's funny. Like, the older I get, the more, I've become more of like a shit talker. I'm like, fuck you, man, fuck his fan. But what are they going to tell me?

Right. Oh, for sure. You know, Any bad comment, I just laugh about it. I'm like, because for every, you know, one person that just absolutely despises whatever it is, whether it's for the band name or whether it's for the sound or whatever, there's clearly a room of 500 people packed in that just love it. So it's really hard to gauge what is reality.

Oh, yeah, like what's on the internet and what you see, like in human, like in person, in front of your face. Like, those two things are very different. So I think maybe even that might be the weird thing about being either a fan or a hater or anything like you'll if you see something in a common section, you don't know what reality is. Right. Right.

You got to go out and see the band. Oh, this band sucks. Well, it's sold out. So yeah. It's all good. I mean, yeah. Yeah, for sure. You don't really know.

What's kind of creepy, which we, we talked about earlier, like to only touch on it, but what this thing is taught, I mean, like the podcast, some people are really listening. And we're truly thinking. thankful for that. Right. But what will shock me sometimes is we'll talk about something or for the full podcast or a clip or like a social media clip and they'll, don't get something completely different.

Oh yeah, for sure. I'm just like, what did you hear? How did you perceive it that way? Yeah. We talked about this and this is what you're fucking saying. Yeah, for sure. So another one of one of those reasons is don't read comments. You don't know.

Oh, for sure. Like, damn, that's, we even listening? Yeah. I scan through stuff, but pretty much they just make me laugh. Like, if someone's, like, I love it. It's a fucking disaster sometimes, too. Yeah, my wife just, this is the first time she's ever been in a band or sang or anything. Oh, no.

And so I was like, you might be careful, like, looking through some comments and stuff, especially being a female. Like, I'm sure people can be ridiculous. But live, people are so supportive. She's been going and hanging out of merch after the set. And that's cool. It's been, it's been. Awesome. And so this tour has been the best tour that I think we've ever done. Just reception, money, just everything about it. It's a really good feeling. Especially I stopped my company that I was running for the past five years to go back to this full time. So, yeah. It was a big, a big, like, I hope to freaking crisis works, you know? How you, how you do, are you still straight edge? Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. Because you have like, you had the two Xs on your calves, right?

I got like 20 X's on me. Okay, cool. Yeah, not enough. How old are you? 34. 34. Still going strong, man. Oh, yeah.

How long have you been straight edge? I've never smoked or drank in my life. Wow. But I learned about straight edge around like 13 or so. Okay. And especially once it, like, it was initially just for a lack of better way of telling people like, I don't want to drink. You know, because it would be like, because initially it's like, you know, people like hey, come to the party.

It's like, no, come on, it'd be a good time. Like, they didn't drink. And I'm like, but once you say I'm straight-edge, you're like, oh, I don't even want you freaking coming around here, you know? So it's just an easy way to like. Pretty cool. Yeah. And, you know, it's, I'd get a lot of people actually come, especially early on in the

Browning. A lot of the lyrics were straight-edge influenced. And even now, you know, if you read into like poison, the lyric poison for that song, I actually did a little write-up with straight-edge worldwide for it and everything. And I like to, for the lyrics and stuff, I like to talk about stuff. Like, you don't necessarily know that there's, that that's what it's about, but it has underlying toes. And I try to make things like kind of sci-fi. And you think it's about some intergalactic dragon come and destroy the planet, but it's really about, you know, maybe something more real, you know?

Yeah, yeah. And so I like to do metaphorical crap like that. I don't like to be too straightforward. That's cool, man. Early on, it was a little more straightforward because a hate breed is one of my biggest influences ever. I got yeah I saw that yeah and so his stuff was just

straightforward just to the point say the thing and uh I didn't leave yeah exactly Kima are you uh what's your poison do you have one or no

like uh straight edge or are you just No I'm not straight at you drinking smoking what I like have like two drinks a year I don't I don't smoke A year Yeah

What does it take You to drink A night out of time With my wife I was gonna say I was gonna say bad influence Or usually, yeah, like usually it'll be like, I think what, last year? It was like I had a drink with friends.

And then out of that, I have a drink with my wife. Other than that, I don't know. Wow. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, I don't do too much. I think what really scared me about like the smoking thing is those dare commercials. Those their commercials used to mess me. Oh, yeah.

There's one where. Let's pull up this, this commercial. That's the exact. That's the exact one. She was, like, deflated. And I was like, so this is what smoking weed does. And that, like, scared me for life.

She won't answer you. Or she can't. Yeah. That's how I feel, and I'm straight-edge. Right. It's like, dang. You know, we used to have so much fun together. And now?

She's fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. Tell her those. I don't remember that at all. Those, those commercials were so impactful. They were so impactful. You know what?

I never hit, I never thought about this. I'm like, do people believe this? Is this just working? Because sometimes it's the other thing. So Dary would come to your school and like, yeah,

elementary and you wore like the shirts. Yeah. And it's like, but for some people, it makes you do the opposite. Yeah, yeah. You know, but for you, it scared me straight.

Boy, it surely, it scared me. They had a Dair Tiger right there. Hey, y'all shout out my dick of Derek Tiger. He's all. Oh, he helped me, yeah. I tried talking to local there people about going to schools to talk to kids, but they only let cops do it. Only cops, they wouldn't let me go talk to kids.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Only cops, huh? Yeah. I'm too scary looking or something. I don't know. True. Yeah.

Especially when you're straightish, like, you always, I would go to, like, the Salvation Army, try to find, like, a shirt. Because I was like, I want a dare shirt. It's cool. Yeah. You know. Then I fucking grew up. Wow. So, well, came on, it's good.

It's good to hear that it worked for somebody. Right. It's great. Like, it really did. It really did help me. So was she supposed to be stoned? Yeah. Or where she, she's drunk?

She, like, she smoked weed. Okay. And she, like, she deflated, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, oh, man, that's going to happen. Like, you know, little me. I'm like, ah, I can't do that. That's going to happen to me. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, shit. Or there was, like, another one where it's, like, this lady, like, I guess she was like smoked like so much cigarettes and then like the um the voice all that yeah that was you know always die from tobacco that would scared me too so i was like oh man i can't be i can't i can't i can't do cigarettes i can't do uh yeah i can't do anything when we were so addicted to cigarettes like man you you like can't stop you just put a hole in your fucking throat and you still can't stop right that's scary yeah one of one of the things for me uh is and this kind of goes to a lot of things in life and not just this stuff but like they're scientists that are designing that crap

to manipulate people to be addicted to it for absolutely forever to make money off of you yeah and so for me i look at as like there are people that are their whole career is to destroy you so they can make money and that bothers me and it's the same thing with big sugar like the big sugar companies and like even alcohol like there's they have teams of scientists that like manufacturing this crap to freaking kill you so they can make money yeah and that's one thing like i'm not i'm not going to let you do that to me yeah cigarette sugar that yeah you're right they're literally designing this yeah yeah it's engineer for you to it for sure you keep you keep you eat it yeah and and so to to let this team of scientists freaking kill you for their

pocket is that's hard no way dude but again they they know what they're doing so it's hard to i understand i'm not saying it people that are addicted to stuff are like you know whatever but like because you are you know it's hard to get away from it i i can understand i've seen it a million times and it's uh it's a tough thing but that to me that that's the biggest thing i don't be manipulated by people like that you know yeah man yeah we're uh i'm lucky i didn't smoke cigarettes until like now like 39 yeah yeah yeah once uh oh no but it's not it's not even an issue it's just like one every few days.

Yeah. Even now it's like going less. But man, I couldn't imagine doing this. I was a kid. I would be, yeah, addicted. Oh, for sure. For sure, man. The moment, sorry, drinking, I was fucking addicted.

Right. Well, that's a big thing. A lot of people, like, you know, people where I grew up, like kids were gotten to drugs when they're 11, 12, just like a lot of people all over the world. Kansas City, man. And I just, I do think that people that get into stuff later in life do have an upper hand. on that because you're you're mentally able to understand like this is just for fun or just chilling whereas a kid you get so sucked in and it just can destroy you yeah your brain's not even developed right in your 30s right i really couldn't like to have a really process things

with my brain until like you know early 30s right mid maybe right so they had a thought of doing anything like younger analysis right i i i give my uh you know eight year old me so much credit Like, I don't know why. There's, if you saw where I grew up or the friends that were around and stuff, there's no reason I shouldn't have ever tried anything. Yeah. How did you, I guess it's really good way it closes. How did you, how did you do that? Especially, I know people, I mean, people from all over the world listen to this thing.

Like, and people are from smaller towns. Yeah. You know, like a kind of city. Yeah. How do you, I know it's probably easier to get sucked into these, these things. How did you like not even That's what I'm saying Like I don't want to like

Sound spiritual or anything But there's there's something that like just Stop me from even caring or wanting to do it And so it's hard for me not to look at it And think that there was some sort of like thing over Overeaching me to make sure that like my life would end up okay And because like family friends everybody Like they were all doing something

Yeah, and so, and there was nothing that would have stopped me, but there's just something in, something stopped you. And I remember very specific situations being eight years old and like my brother saying yes and me saying no. And just being like, I don't know why I would have, you know. And so it's hard for me not to look at it and be like, thing, something like guided me through my life in a specific way. And I'm not a hyper-religious person, but it's hard not to look back on my life and be like, dang there is stuff that, like, led me into this. A lot of Browning music is about certain things like that. And so I think that whenever stuff happens that is unexplainable like that, it's hard

for me not to think that something intervened in some way. And so I appreciate it. And I don't take it for granted at all. Everything with my life, even with the Browning having the success it has. There's no reason really besides like perseverance or just, um, being extremely lucky and something helping along the way the whole time you know so yeah we're all we're all getting help dude yeah yeah yeah just something something yeah there's there's times where i i've been driving and like falling asleep and like but something it feels like something else

takes the wheel yeah yeah like one of those like kind of like those real life things oh i'm not i feel like i'm not driving right now yeah something kind of like you pop your head of me like well like kind I was like, man, it's kind of weird. I remember one time I was like coming home from San Diego. I was fucking so, so tired, you know. There's like an off ramp. You're going on to other freeway. I was already, I was in Corona.

So I already made that fucking hour, 40 drive. You know, you know that feeling like I'm home. I'm coasting. But there's like this freeway going to the other freeway, but it's kind of like a hill. If you're from where we're at, It's when the 15 hits in 91, it's a hill that goes down. Well, I fell asleep literally.

So I went off the hill. No one knows this. I went off the hill. And it felt like I felt like I wasn't driving. I felt like that I was holding the wheel so smoothly and so like I just didn't, I didn't feel like I had any control. I felt like something else like, that's why I do believe in angels, like something. And they pop in at the right time. They're not there for you all the time.

Right. But they'll pop in. I'm like, and then I went, I got to like the, I guess level ground. I was like, oh, shit. Like, there was nothing. Okay. Press the gas. Went.

I was like, I was like, what was. Yeah. Why is that? And you have to pay attention to those moments because like it's, there are so many moments throughout your life that you're like, this shouldn't have happened in the way that it did. And it's a good thing that, you know, it turned out. And, you know, I'm really appreciated for where. the browning is the people that are involved

like in the band on the team we have a new label called Fix that they they love the music and they're all about it and it just has been a grind to get to where it is and to actually to be around people that you know actually are all about it like this this full right here

I appreciate you Kim hey what thank you man oh that's awesome oh man what hey this is this guy's a hard shell soft That's cool, man That's cool, man

That's my boy though That's my boy That's cool man You guys travel You know all the country together Man's crazy Yeah, it's cool Yeah

Well did I Uh We're approaching hour 30 Did I Did I miss anything Is there anything about the band That you want out there? I mean for me

I think that 100% You'd have to come see The Browning Life Yeah And that's the biggest thing Always Even whenever The Browning

wasn't as good as now. The live show is a different level. Because there's things that I'm pretty mediocre out and, you know, kind of Jack of Altrey's master or none, but if there's one thing that I can freaking do, it's get a crowd popping.

It's rocking. And the music itself just slams live, way heavier. Even than this record, like, live, it's a different experience. And like, we get the whole crowd jumping, whole crowd circle pits. It's raven.

There's dancing. We got lasers. We got freaking, I mean, a Browning show, and especially in front of as big of a crowd, put me in front of 100,000 people. And I promise you, the crowd is popping more than anything, like, for real. That's cool, man. And so come see the Browning Live, and that's the biggest thing, for real,

is what I would say. Yeah, that's good. Hey, listen to Omni. Oh, yeah. Listen to the new record. Show up. Mm-hmm. I'm at Birch every day.

Come say what so. Come, come see high. Oh, yeah. And don't ask him to take a photo when he's taking a pic. Don't ask me to take a photo while I'm peeing. I will pee on you. I don't care. I'll catch a charge.

It's just weird. Maybe they want that, though. That's what he was looking for. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I said that. And then a whole bunch of people would be like, oh, I'm into that. They were like, oh, I'm ready. Yeah.

People are. Yeah. Well, that's when you know your band's popping up, dude. True. Pee on me, please. All right. Yeah, I take that back. I'm not peeing on you.

So yeah, where can people find you guys? The word main Instagram's main thing, you know, Browning official. Cool. Pushing that. And then, you know, we got the new blue music video that came out. We did a cover of blue. Nice. That's popping more than anything we've ever done. Yeah.

Put out. I've held that cover. I finished. I wrote that cover like six years ago. Yeah. Wow. Holy crap. I wanted to save it for the right moment, the right time.

And this new label fixed like they are all about. everything, electronic rock and metal. And so I knew this is the time to do it. And so, yeah, everything's good. Come see us live. We got the tour coming up in April. We're going to announce European tours coming up. Full time, we're freaking out there doing it.

Yeah. Well, Browning, I'm honored to be able to get your story out there. Thank you for your time. Thanks for having us, man. Yeah, man. I will see you guys at the show today. Yeah. And the name is not about poop.

I mentioned that right at the start. It's not about pooping. Okay. Yeah. But so it doesn't mean anything at all. Okay. Just had to end it there. Some people were like the first thing, the way we were talking about poop,

and I'm like, that's not what it is actually about. But yeah, we're good. Okay. Just had to put it out there, disclaimer. Well, too bad. I'm going to make me get a clip. Do it. I won't do you dirty right.

The browning is poop. Yeah. I won't do it. I promise guys. All right. I appreciate you guys. Yeah. Thank you.

All right. Thank you guys for having us. That's it. That's it. Later. Bye.