Garza Podcast - 167 - DECAPITATED | Vogg: Death Metal Riffs, Machinehead, Poland & Brother's Passing

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

Garza sits down in-person with Wacław “Vogg” Kiełtyka. Guitar player for the death metal band DECAPITATED. https://linktr.ee/DECAPITATEDBANDSPONSORS:https://distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF!Sweetwater - https://imp.i114863.net/rnrmVBCHAPTERS:00:00 - Power of Podcasts05:05 - Learning English from Touring & Bands08:38 - Growing Up w/ Metal10:30 - Music School in Krosno, Poland14:55 - Riff: Winds of Creation17:18 - Learning Riffs at a Young Age20:25 - Used Studio/Friend’s Equipment to Jam & Record24:39 - Vogg & "Vitek" (brother) Writing Music Together29:29 - Disney in Different Languages33:01 - Guitar Tuning (450 MHz)36:53 - Audition for Machinehead38:52 - Riff: Machine Head43:10 - Ten Year Contract47:13 - Nihility & Guitar Shapes49:59 - Riff: Spheres of Madness58:15 - First Music Video Was on MTV1:00:01 - Riff: Nihility (Anti-Human Manifesto)1:02:21 - Slowing Down Songs to Warm Up1:09:00 - “Business Meetings”1:12:34 - Vitek’s Passing1:18:07 - Good Memories1:22:03 - Tragedies Make You Stronger1:25:36 - Most Death Metal Riffs Written1:27:54 - Risk

Fog from Decapitated, it's honor just to hang out with you. It's honor for me. Thank you so much, Chris, for inviting me. Finally. I've been watching your podcast. It's killer. I love it. It's special.

It's original podcast for metal community. Appreciate that, man. Yeah, like last week I've been watching Chris Barnes from 6'5 Under Carnival Coast. Metal Legend. I love it. The legend, dude. I mean, the podcasts are cool because you can find out so many things. Like, you don't have idea.

Like, you never, you will never know. Maybe if someone is writing the book, autobiography or something like that, that's okay. It's true. So, thank you. Yeah, thanks for having me here. Anytime. I'm a pleasure. And, yeah, people forget that we're all human.

And humans take time to complete their thoughts. people need time to open up. It could take an hour sometimes. It takes two hours. People need time to just complete a thought. And then that thought will remind them of something. I call it a, well, I didn't call it. This is what this is what it's called chain linking.

Your brain will start talking, your brain will start to chain link memories. And it's kind of cool that I could see it happen and then like in front of me. You know, it's cool. That's for sure. That's for sure. And it's happening in your podcast.

and in podcasts in general. Yeah. I like to listen. I have some of my favorite podcasts, like in Poland, back in Poland. Oh, wow. With some famous journalist. And I've been listening actually a lot. And it's...

What are you listening to? Well, it's like a podcast with a famous people, famous. Most of them are actors. So it's most of... Polish actors? Polish actors, like the movie. theater also musicians so it's not just focusing on the I can music scene or it's it's movies it's politics it's actor everything basically it's cool because you can

have a view from the different people different types of you know people and thinking and everything so yeah you you can see that famous you can hear interview with a famous actor you can you can hear a nargo from behemot for example in that podcast so it's it's pretty cool and uh it's listen the podcast it gives me a lot like even like even like language i speak like yeah when you listen a smart guy that's what i do i do the same thing like I like to listen to people way smarter than me. And it's like, wow. It's kind of like, it's kind of like almost like a read book.

Yes. You know. Yeah. And it's like an audiobook kind of. Yeah, that's what you're right. That's what people aren't really thinking about. I mean, I personally still read, read books,

but with podcasting and with audiobooks, you do need to kind of keep up with the amount of information that's coming at you faster. So podcasting and books, audio books can kind of allow you to get all this information quickly because you kind of have to keep up, you know, because there's so much coming at us. And we're, you know, and we play music. So our scene is moving very fast. So it's kind of nice, you know, you could put it on a podcast of Indian band, younger bands and kind of get their like perspective and what they're going through. You know, just by, hey, I'll, you could be in Poland. and then you're going out for a walk or a gym

or you're even riffing and you're listening to it in the background and you're getting that. Absolutely. You know, it's cool. Yeah, yeah. It's a great thing. And it's, I think it's quite a new thing. It's still new.

Yeah. It's still new. It's obviously like music. It's a little oversaturated in my opinion, but there's still great ones out there and it's still new. People are still figuring it out how to do it. Yes, there is no plan for it. It's not like a plan for what we're gonna talk about.

No, no. Like, I was thinking like, should I prepare it in some way or should I- No, it's like improvisation. It's like going for the show, see the dude and oh, hey, what's up? Like, and I start to talk. That's a conversation. Yeah. You know, and, you know, I have, obviously I have like things in like the back of my head

that I'm ready for it. But yeah, just a casual. conversation and uh since you brought it up how did you so decapitated correct me if I'm wrong decapitated formed in

uh Krasno? Poland Amazing Okay Yeah cool Krosno Krosno Oh so yeah we were talking earlier

How do I how do I pronounce that? Yeah Krasnil Krasnoh Okay cool So you guys formed Form there and I was like

How did I learn English Because you do have very good English Oh Thank you for saying that, Chris, but you know it's not true. It's true, man. My English is, I know it's not the best, but it's enough good to go for tour, to ask for the backstage room and it's enough to survive, let's say. And I learned my English in a little in school, but the real lesson was,

obviously going out for tours, for, you know, seeing the bands, American bands, UK bands, and talk with those guys. On the beginning, like... So recently, this is still recent. Yeah. Yeah. So you went out on tour. You didn't even know English yet. Of course not.

Wow. I was, I was like so afraid to go on tour or... Oh, crap. I don't know that. Imagine kids from Krosno, which is the... Small town, south of Poland, close to the Slovakian and Ukrainian border. Yeah. We don't have English lessons at school.

We have a German. And back in the days, our parents have a Russian language. After that, we learned German. And like, we started English lessons when I was about, I don't know, 12, 13, 14. So I didn't speak English at all. I knew English from Metallica, Sepultura Records. Yes, of course. Penter, but, you know, this is not a...

Just the bad words. Yeah, sick. It was still really good lesson from the records, of course. But imagine kids from small town don't speak English and suddenly signing a record deal with EREC records. English record label, which really is like your favorite bands

Morbid Angel entombed, Nape on death a carcass One of your favorite records is Morbredean Covenant, correct? Oh for sure Nice. Yeah, the Covenant record

is probably the reason I'm talking with you right now, Chris. Wow. Yeah, and Trey as I thought Yeah, I always say that in an interview that like Trey

when I seen the video for Rapture and God of emptiness. Let's get that going, Jay. Yeah. Rapture. Is this it? Oh, yeah.

Rapture, especially the solo part. This is insane. Oh, yeah. I didn't really put that together. Your solo style. Oh, that's death metal, dude. When did Covenant come out? Actually, when did it?

19904? Yeah, because you're a kid. You're a child. Maybe earlier. earlier. 92, 93. How old were you? Well, I was 12.

93. Yeah, I was 12. I mean, I don't remember that album when it was released. 12, I maybe started listening. No, I started listening metal earlier. Because of my older cousin, who was a metal hat. He got all this cassette. cassette tapes yes tapes yeah back in Poland like in 80s it was like huge pirate market of the tapes

tape trade trending and and re-recording and you know copying the cover arts on Xero copies okay yeah yeah pirate metal yeah so yeah I have an older cousin who shows me all the metal music old school bands. Mm. It's a cousin. Yep. Nice. Okay.

Yeah. So. And you're obviously, so, so you and your brother Vitek, young younger brother are growing up together watching the same movies and. Oh yeah. And part of sharing like the same music and stuff, right? Yeah. Exactly.

It was like that. Nice. Nice. Yeah, we have this place when you go to, to borrow. some video movies and stuff like that. We have tapes. We have some music. So we're growing, being around in heavy metal music,

death metal music, Florida death metal, Bay Area Trash metal bands, all these Hollywood movies. And, yeah, and life was beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. How was Krosno? Was it chill?

Was it like relaxed? Was it weird? No. It's really cool place. I love this place. I moved from this place like 20 years ago. I live in different town right now, bigger town, Krakow. And Crossnow is such a great small, like 50,000 people.

Oh, 50,000 years. It's around the mountains, not huge mountains, but like smaller. mountains and the area called like the Carpathian Carpathian mountains start just around the city and it's just beautiful like forest lakes around and nice people very friendly community we have I have to admit like we have we've been all in the music school So music school were the place when we get our education, when we all, the first decapitated lineup, we met there. So I was in the classroom, I sitting at the one desk with Sauron, the first singer of Dicab.

Vitek, he was younger, three years younger than me. Even younger than the US crazy school. Yeah, I mean, he played piano. piano. Did he? He played piano. He was in piano. He was in piano. I think that's why he got all the skills. His drumming was really dynamic, really. He got this feel. Yeah. We've been playing in the jazz band as well, the school big band for a few years. Yeah, we've been, we've been taking a lot of musical education. Yeah, I mean, you're at this point, you're in, you're in high school, right this is this high school or is it's earlier earlier we start uh i was seven oh okay

yes got it okay so elementary we're talking oh wow yeah they they had some kind of uh jazz class in that that young some some kind of jazz style the education was all around the classical music you know the typical classic music yeah but after a few years that was a uh there was a teacher who who actually spent a few good years in new york and he was a jazz player and when he come back to crosno he make a big band in the school okay so all the teacher been open for different kinds of music like jazz they even let us play a metal songs on some graduation of the mid school or something like so we jump on the stage uh with some vader covers and stuff like that school was cool like teachers been really cool to us and

and respectful for how we wear, how we look like, what kind of music we play, what we represent. So very open-minded people have been living there in this town. And I have really good memories. All the time when I come back there, it's so sentimental for me. I'm sure I'll let the memories come back of you hanging out with your brother and being in those classes, man. First shows, first friends. Like a hometown. Yeah. The hometown.

Yeah. So you're that young. First of all, like me being from California and first finding out about you, Bogg, and finding out about your band. Decapitated, I remember, you know, people throwing around, like, the record, once a creation. I mean, oh, like, dude, they're like so young. They're, like, so young. They're so young. And for how, so what memories?

I have memories, like, I'm just wondering if I can still play that. Yeah, yeah, please. Yeah, please. This record was so, like, too technical. You could do, I don't know, I didn't play that record for a long time. Oh, shit, like the muscle memories, like somewhere there. I still. Yeah, how do you write that, man?

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And that's it. Back to a conversation with the fog from decapitated. How do you, okay, so, so when you're, when you guys are riding those ribs, like, how old were you? Because there's rumors, but no one ever. really gave like a set age only because I want to get the age right because you guys were were known to be so young I think I started to write first three is when I was 12 12 13 something that something like that around this age because first demo tape we record I was 15 okay and VTEC was 12 I know it's

That is wild. It's totally... How did he play those kind of drums when he's 12? Well... Okay, so how old were you and your brother jamming first? If he's 12... On the just like beginning, it was my father. Okay, my older brother

started to do some classical guitar lessons. so I look on him and I was so jealous like oh shit he got guitar he can play all this cool chords all the songs from radio and I was like and I was then like playing piano

and accordion and I was like I think guitar is much more cool than the instruments I play right now so I want to try guitar so I start to jam all this you know Metallica Sepultura songs just on the one string then there's adding second

and third string so I was about 12 I don't know 11 12 I'll run this age then my father he made a pickup for me he found out like some technical newspaper wherever

like how to make a pickup so he he just made that he put in my acoustic guitar and somehow it works, then we connect that with the... I mean, in general, we've been experimenting, because... ...experiments, because back in the day in Poland, we didn't have an opportunity to go to the, like, a guitar center store

and choose between amps and guitars. We didn't have much of the gear back in the desk. It's like one practice app, and that's your choice. Something like that. Like that, you just go for some place like a culture house or wherever and if they let you play there, of course you can't say you are the metal band. No, you will say you are, I don't know. Classical jazz. Classical jazz.

Blues. Look at me. I play classical jazz. And they will say like blues, mm, okay, okay. No problem. Sick. So we've been dealing with some crazy weird equipment on the beginning. the first first two or no first three albums of D-Cap I didn't even own the real amplifier

really really I record on the you know professional studio professional equipment but all their like pre-production thing let's call it and like composition yeah was I made on like some kind of keyboard combo plus distortion pedal that's it wow i i'm guessing you you've been i mean chris tell me like you like since beginning like you you start with suicide silence right did you use like a recording program to track the ideas or because i did what i did it was all just in like playing making the song and remember you were you were slowly memory. That's it. Oh, yeah, we were recorded on a tape cassette.

Okay. So we would put it a since if you can't, if you put a tape cassette in the middle of a room, I don't know, I don't know the word, it's too loud, so it sounds bad. So you would put it outside the door. Okay. Yeah, so you kind of get like the gist of it, you know. Yeah, I think we start to do something like that. But you're just memory.

It's like that's, it's in here. It's in here and it's in there. That's it. That's it. It's cool. If you don't have all this equipment at the recording program, you don't know even that things like that exist. Then you just make the song and it's ready.

So you remember, you play it 100 times and that's it. You have the song. It's crazy. Like I think about it right now. It's unbelievable. Yeah, I was going to ask you. Like, so for like, at the first record, are you just sitting in your room, like, writing a riffs or a full song, or are you hanging out with your brother? And you're kind of hashing it out.

I did it by myself. We're talking about the first album, Winds of Creation. So I did songs by myself. And then we didn't have our rehearsal room. But we just ask our friends if we can. come there and there to their room and use equipment and jam you had up your friends with the gear because you didn't have any i have just like my my guitar some combo at my room and that's it so we didn't have any i mean the drums show up like after on the new hit

album I think yeah that's crazy so we it was it was weird but yeah we we we have like maybe one week or like I don't remember about like eight nine days just practicing the winds of creation before we record this album that's it like we play together drums and guitar so I think it's a brother brother thing like it has to be a brother if if you If you jam with your family member, which you are so close since forever, you can even make a song just like talking about it. Yeah, yeah. You can just talk about that.

You can use your couch or wherever. And I can play guitar and Vitek has been listening it and okay, okay this part this part got it and he just like we have this organic hallucinosis record the fourth record great one i love it and a huge step huge step for us and so before this record we we didn't have any one rehearsal no we didn't jam at all i did it in my room and vetech was just on the coach and he was just listening. He just listened the riffs.

And then he will go out for his room somewhere in the town, just jammed by south, with his memory. And then we met in the studio. And we just did it. This is the most...

You guys were talking like supplementary. Like it was just like ingrained in your guys. Yeah, it was just like, was it was crazy like i don't know these days is everything works different way like we i mean i spending hours to just on a composition to became the perfect version of the riffs i have and recording on um new endo i use new endo program for tracking like i write the drums everything and i listen it million times i do pre-production and then we practice

with James Stewart, my drummer in the practice room and yeah like a proper way but back in the days our most important album that the first four records it happened just like I don't know it it must be the blood connection yeah yeah and a passion and a passion and I just I mean I spending hours for practicing and and making the songs but we didn't have um we didn't do any like professional pre-production things and practicing anything like that it was just it just happened and your blood yep you can only do that with someone that that you're literally like like you saw him be born you were so close literally with them for i think it was like music education

that's a huge passion passion and and also because we've been listen bands together all the time. You know, cannibal corpse all the time. Vader, D-Syte, Mordegel, Metallica, Slayer, all these bands. So I think if you, if all those bands for you are like part of your family, like this is like really, really part of your life, it goes into your blood. so

and you have your brother on the side and he's probably just a sponge too because he's younger than you three years yeah yeah and he was a piano player so like we make we make a band with

with Saron and the first singer he became with idea like okay dude let's do it a band I have a band name I was like okay let's do it I play guitar, you're going to sing, and okay, we need a drummer.

Okay, I have a brother so he can play drums. And I, oh, so from now you are the drummer. Like, it was like, okay, I don't know. If you have a younger brother or sister, like the influence is pretty big. Yeah, how long was he playing drums before he actually tracked drums for that first record? about four years four years you're talking four years to play

technical death metal technical Polish death metal I mean I have I have two daughters and they are 12 and nine right now and when I look on my my 12 years

daughter I think like dude wow so we looked like that back in the days and we start to jam technical death metal

Yeah, they're like the same age They're three years apart Mm-hmm Wow Yes Wow man That's crazy It's cool

And I started to be afraid Because they are so talented Yeah And They start to Pick in the guitars From last week Actually

Yeah No like just week before this tour They send NBVD or, hey, Dad, we tune it. They find out on the internet how to tune guitar, they tune it. Yeah, it's crazy. I was going to ask you what your daughters think of your music and the band and the style. Well, so they have different perception, I think. Because they are running, since they born, actually, they listen.

metal music, which goes all the time in our home. Not just metal music, obviously. We're totally open family for music and for everything. So they, like a case, they listen a lot of soundtracks from the cartoons. And it's really good music. I have to say, I'm big fan of like Vianna soundtrack, for example. Vianna? Byana?

Byana? I think it's different translating. Okay. Moana. It will be Moana in U.S. Morana. Moana? The cartoon?

Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah, Moana. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. Dude, this soundtrack is sick. I bet this soundtrack is heavy. Yeah.

Morana. Yeah, what are some songs that you're jamming? Ah, okay. So this is, because we have the Polish versions of that. Oh. Every country has a different... Is it different artists and different... Yes.

Oh, that's cool. I don't know if it's Disney or... I can't believe I hear. Is this it? Yeah. So we have a really heavy podcast. That's... Wow.

Every country have this... I didn't know that. Yep. So kids can understand. And parents do, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That explains why so many kids connect with Disney. They have different artists for the country.

Oh, yeah. Dude. And it's amazing because, yeah, you can hear it's in Spanish, in English, in Polish. Wow. In every... I know that. And every version has something special. It's different.

I think Spanish is my favorite. The Spanish is your favorite? Yeah, yeah. But Polish is cool because I can understand. And this is for kids. I mean, they need to understand the lyrics. Yeah. And the goal goes really into it.

And actually the lyrics, like, like the goal of the lyrics, it's cool. Like, it's inspiring. It's motivating kids. Like, it's really positive. Disney does have great story. I think Disney has the best storytelling. As far as their movies, their stories, their soundtracks and their lyrics.

You do the same thing. Like you read the lyrics, you're like, wow. And like, and you feel good. And yes. You feel really good. You feel positive. And I think we need this. Of course.

I think we need this. This crazy days? Well, you know. We, yeah. We need Disneyland and we need Polish death metal. Yes. Yeah, my God. Yeah, Bach.

Fuck yeah, dude. Dude. Thank you for being here, man This is fun I'm honored man That's cool So So you

It's my pleasure You were talking how Your daughters Know how to tune So you were talking earlier Did you learn this From From machine head

Like the tuning That you're doing now Or were you doing that prior Well You're asking about this 450 Yes Well yeah

I'm when I was a machine head, I find out the tuning a little higher, because like standard tuning, it's around 440 megahertz. Like all the music you listen in the radio, like you tune the piano, it's 440 megahertz. And yeah, some bands like to tune in a different way, just to, it's, it's a, I guess it's a, there's a few reasons of that why they do like we talked before when i was arrived like dieback being tuning like 430 or 435 something like around that machine had tuning 450 which is little higher so strings are more than like attention so and it's little higher so i believe like they're it just

be drop be but higher a little higher and high yeah so it's like four feet 450 it will be something between 440 B and what is next, the C. So something between, like you're on the mid between the tone. Got it. Okay. So it's right between... But they tune it because just like... That's kind of cool. That was a situation probably in the studio. They record something and then they have a short scale back in the day they didn't have baritones yeah so strings were like like you

want to tune low yeah you have a short scale it's like strings are not into the tuning you know like when you play hard so that's why but that's also like a scientist thing that they explain that some of the megahertz can go in the different way that you you will feel music in a different way depends of the of the hurts like it's the physical thing do you think okay so do you think rob got that from dying bag or do i think rob was on his own tip he's on he's on i don't know you you need to ask rob about that okay i think so so you think it's more feeling based like hey this this might make people feel different so maybe this is i should try this kind of frequency uh could be the reason too oh interesting i mean for dying back i'm pretty

sure I'm pretty sure that Dynebeck tune like that because of some special reasons. It's him. Yeah. I want to make people feel a certain way in this. Even like right now I imagine like listen Pantera riffs right now it's something like you play Pantera song and it's already like the tone it's of course it's the Dyberg head of course but it's or maybe it's something around this tuning also it's everything it's everything and it's dying becoming it's the god god of metal it's the it's such an inspiration for me yeah so you like like your early uh like like like i heard you talk about the first three metallic records a morbid angel covenant um and also i just praise

pain painkiller you're talking like oh they're they're all hits this is a record full of hits totally And then was kind of crazy about your one of the crazy things about your life bog is that you mentioned that one of your inspirations is also Machine Head burn my eyes. So it's kind of like a full. So talk about like a full circle moment, right? Oh man. Like like like for me a joining Machine Head in the moment they've been celebrating celebrating a 25th anniversary of Burr My Eyes.

Yeah. So I join me in the band. I was in this second, that was the two lineups on that tour. Oh yeah, they're doing some of my crazy. Yeah, they did Chris Contos and Logan Mader, Rob Flynn and Jarrett. So they do this original lineup for Burn My Eyes. And that was the second lineup. I then be looking for a guitar player.

And I sent my audition. I need to pause it. It's not on YouTube. You should. So yeah, so you did first a few songs. And you did eight songs. So were you rocking out in the audition? You ask about the audition?

Yeah. Yeah, they asked me to, first of all, they asked me to send one song just to set up if they can hear good, if they can see me. So I did it. And actually, after this one song, they have been already like, do you want to do it? Yeah. They want me after the first song. But they still asking about seven or eight more. So audition is, I didn't have much time to prepare

because I was almost out of the tour after like three days or four days to prepare eight songs, Machine Head, which I find out, like everybody thinks it's easy stuff. It's not easy. It's not easy stuff. It's so much guitar parts and so much guitar work like in the left hand even like like really technical stuff that looks hard or like then

you have this progression real quick oh that was cool oh yeah I remember when this first came out I watched it I was like damn like Vogue is locked in yeah this part it was this part yeah we are out of Tion right that's you imagine imagine me there and I'm thinking like what the hell is going on i'm sitting in there is some hotel in germany yeah dude just one week before the tour and i'm jamming with rob flin rob flin is staying on the front of me and i was like what the fuck i'm doing here bro like what's going on that's that's crazy insane yeah you uh you uh you jamming it when when you're a kid and then now now you're in a position yeah that that's the moment that's that's the sometimes we have like

moments like that in life is abstract yeah yeah i mean you live the crazy life dude that's nutty dude congrats you know i i feel like a forest gump sometimes you know what i mean like i'm like okay i'm just i'm just doing my thing i'm just play guitar making riffs i never ever dream about going on tour. Really? Never? No. It was all about listen music.

First of all, listen music. Yeah. To have love for music. Then, okay, because of music school, I start to play instruments. So, okay, guitar show up, and I feel passion to playing music. So everything I was dreaming. about was just listen and play guitar listen music and play guitar that's it I never think I never dream about be a rock star be a you know like touring musician because

it just think think think how many things as a you know like a band member you need to do like making the songs making like prepare your house a room, like think about equipment, tour bus, the book the shows, and like deal with the other musicians. With it is another level. It goes straight to the

psychology already. Dealing with people on tour in the band, be cool, be nice, like understand me, like dealing with all of that. It's crazy. Like how many things we need to take as a musician to survive, to finally get on the stage and play those few riffs for one hour.

Yeah. It's insane. It is, man. Okay, that's why we have the crew. That's why we have tour managers and all these people, they help us with this crazy trip. But as I said, Chris, I never, I never, ever wanted to be like a touring musician. My thing was like sit in my room in cross-nose.

know, south of Poland, listen, listen music and play guitar. That's it. And everything else what happened, it just happened. I remember day when I, when my friend who started to be like a little managing us, he said, oh, there's this manager. He wants to, he's interesting about your demo. He won't be your manager and maybe he will find a record. for you guys and I remember that one that moment I was she I shit in my pants I was 15 and I seen the contract on the front of my face of front of my eyes and it's like contract like for 10 years like management yeah I was like fuck and I was like okay my parents don't know about that and we'll not find out I just signed

that because I knew okay I don't know what actually I'm what I'm doing but I'm going to do it and I feel it's gonna be good I mean it wasn't that good because contract goes sucks we always learn that you always in the hard way yeah I'm not the first no no and probably not the last but yeah that's it there and I think because of and you're and you're still in school man I remember I was I was watching like a video of you guys I think you might have been recording

the first record or something and then you I think you yeah you had a quote where going to this is not verbatim but it's around this like going you for you going to school was a problem when it comes to touring and gigs

right and you will find your first shows and tours around the holiday right yes I mean, we always record the albums around the holidays because it was the free of the school. So that was only time we could go for one month out and record the album. So it was always holiday. First, four albums of Decapitated was always holiday, holiday, holiday, every two years holiday. And talking about like some teachers, some people in the school, like, how,

they took what we're doing because we started touring quite early. And we've been still in the school, especially Vitek. He was underage still and he started touring. Like first time we've been in the US, he was under 21. So sometimes he just play, show and go out from the venue because he couldn't be, the show was, yeah. But I remember some of the teachers, they have a problem. Like, I don't know, like a jealous maybe, a little, that we are touring over Europe.

You know, we go to UK, we go to France, to Belgium, everywhere. And this small motherfucker is going out, play his music, and come back to exam play piano. Like, on the front of, you know, the teachers that they're, like, 20 years older than him. And how to deal with that? from the teacher position. So they, they, I hear that he told me

that sometimes he could hear from them like, oh, how was the, your tour? Like, you could feel this, kind of jealousy. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. Talking down to it. Kind of, kind of, yeah. But we didn't, we never like to care too much about that.

Yeah, yeah, you're always going to have that. You're going to have people that are like, love it and love you guys for doing it and support you guys and you'll have like some other people

that are like kind of talk down to you and I'm just jealous and what have you. Hey Jay, can you pull up the second record? Next one. So what memories do you have when you see this record? I have really good memories. Good memories. Very good memories because oh yeah, we finally have a room to jam with VTEC.

Sick. We, Vitek, I have this first drum kit. I have this first RAN guitar. The Polish brand. Maybe you remember from like Vader guys.

Okay. Back in the days, the RAND. That was a custom-made guitar. Really cool. Like a shape, it looks like a B.C. Rich Ironbird. Okay. With the

headstock, like a Yeah. Uh-huh. I think I think I even have this guitar on the cover somewhere on the vinyl, like back on the vinyl picture. Do you still have it?

I still have it. Good. Yeah, it's this guitar like made all this like spheres of metal. Oh, that's the guitar in here. Yeah. I love it. Nice. I was like, oh, sweet.

I love it. The Iron beer shape like totally black. Yeah. Just fucking death metal, dude. Total death metal. Yeah. So I've been, you know how inspiring can be? Oh, that's my second run.

Yeah. Yeah. You know how much the shape even or the look of guitar can inspire you to make the riffs? 100%. It's crazy, especially when you are, I don't know, anti-18, 19 years old. And you will just, I will just go and sleep with this guitar. Yeah, you'll like identify with the shape. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, it like, it like becomes a part of you. Yeah. And then, and then. So, I always love this, like, you know, this crazy shape, like explorers, like iron birds. I have a warlock shape on the beginning, too. Yeah. You mentioned that you do have a couple of, which one is this one?

That's the one. That's the one. Wow. Imagine you are. That's fucking death metal, dude. Yep. That fits you definitely. So cool.

You mentioned that. Some of your dream guitars are someone like the, to maybe one day own like a 60s, 70s, Gipson, Les Paul, or Explorer, right? Yeah, I mean, right now, my favorite shape, it would be Explorer. Yeah. It just looks killer on the stage. It looks sick. It's really easy to, like, sit down with that and jam. It just.

The shape's awesome. Feels good with that. Yeah. So the reason why I pulled up this one is, I want to learn the riff for Spheres of Madness. Like that first riff, I was listening to it. I'm like, I can't hear the pattern. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What's that, what's that pattern? So main reef goes like that. That, I was like, I'm like, is that, is he tripling or is it double? I never really. It's tripled. because you have right from the record when you listen it it can be a little height it's some under the under the gain yeah yeah that's true that's why i i always seen the millions of versions of like people play that that's what i thought yeah yeah so it's like exactly yeah

okay yeah so so the first the first time is it is is it's double but but the second time is the triple. It's kind of a crazy pattern. So double and triple. And I remember when I create this song, I remember that day. Yeah. Like, I made this song in one day.

One day. It just, even like, not even one day. Like, maybe two hours. Like whole song. It is still out of you. I mean, I remember exactly. I was inspired by, do you know band Gourfest from Holland? Gorefest.

I've heard the name, Gorefest. Old school death metal band from Holland. Okay. Gourfest. And I seen this video of, I don't remember the song title, Erase or something. Like there is this double bass riff going all the time. And I was like, holy shit. I don't have to play like ultra, ultra speed, like, like morbid danger.

like it can be also like a meat tempo and a double bass like it was so groovy still death metal yeah okay yeah i don't know if this probably this song but there will be the part with the double bass yeah and i was like i was sick okay yeah vocals are six and the drummer is amazing too like yeah a little bit more on on a simple side this is more like a european death metal style band from probably late 80s, early 90s. Okay. And I see in the video and listen, it's like, oh shit, it's like mid-tempo song,

not too crazy fast, like, you know, like the east side, like morbid angel, like cannibal corpse. And it's like, oh shit, it's cool. And I just like, okay, I'm going from my room right now. And do like, and do like, you will never, you will never guess from because there's this part with Wami Bar going on the verse on the verse part you will never guess from where I was inspired by that I shouldn't say probably but fuck it

what was a Disney movie we were just talking about so it was it was I have a friend who listened Limbiscuit Fuck Everybody Fogg is inspired by Limp Bizkit Solidified Just

Fuck everybody Are you serious? I mean just Just the Wami Bar Like a Oh my God Oh That is why

Lempisket Will always be goaded So So we went I'm not I'm not inspired by Libisket But he uses this

Okay, the one part. This one me bought, like some of the songs, like it sounds like... So powerful, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's a cool trick. I mean, like, it's just simple thing, right?

Okay, so we went from Gorefest to Olympiscuit. Now, why... So what inspired the annex script? That's like the... That's the really insane group. That's like the crazy... This is probably my, my thing. There we go.

Yeah, is that part. Yeah, that's the whole... That's the real. That's a trick because here when you go up with this riff with harmony, it goes like... It's an empty string between. And it's always the... I see it always mistake with some tops on the internet.

Like it's... The people think it's... Yeah. But it's... It's the same on the... It's one note, but it's changed a lot. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, you're right. It does kind of add like another... Another something. A little trick will just change it, man. Yeah, yeah. Holy crap. That's the magic.

Small details can make a huge, huge difference. Man, thank you for that. That's fucking sick, dude. That's a sick riff. Arguably one of the most iconic riffs of all time, dude. Because, I mean, for years, we were jamming that one song, dude. Just that one's like, man, that's like that riff, dude. That song's Fears of Madness, I can hear, like, so many people all the time, everywhere,

like coming to me, like, saying there are fans, and it's always spheres of madness. I mean, that's something about to make this characteristic riff. You don't think about when you create something like that, you don't think about that you want to do something special or memorable. Yeah. It just happened and then people will tell you. It's this. Like I remember we sent it.

the we send this record to the label so they could listen and they first like the first answer was oh this this song spheres of madness and we're gonna promote that we make a video for that we make a video in states during our first u.s tour in 2002 we we we we filmed it in some studio in California. I don't remember exactly. It was in California, really? Yes.

Oh shit. And they put it on MTV. So I remember like some of the Polish newspapers like our boys in MTV. That was like article about that. It was. It was something back in the day when still MTV was still playing news videos. Yeah, it was. So this was done in California?

Yeah. Wow. I don't remember exactly. Oh, yeah. An incantation, you see? Incentation. What a trip. Why?

What a full, another full circle moment for you. We've been supporting incantation of our first tour after the Niquidity record. So right now, after 20, what, 23 years? 23 years.

Again, with incantation. Right now they're supporting us. Things change. And. And we play the whole album over the US and Canada. Some songs we never play life. So it's like first time ever. Yeah, yeah.

Holy crap. And there's one more song. It's the title track. It's that blast riff. It's like such a unique blast riff. And then the next riff you play, I was watching you play it. And what you're playing does not sound like what's coming out. So you have like the blast beat riff?

Yeah. And then the next one. And then, yeah, so this riff, I love this riff, it's like, it's like a teenager, dudes are against everything, you know? Fuck yeah, this is like, okay, we're going for war right now. Yes! It's like, no, we are not agree with you guys. And then this groovy riff, that was cool, like we made this record together with VTEC in the room, just, just, just, just, jamming i become with the riffs idea and he peeked the idea like immediately and he he created all these

nice drum parts which yeah that riff i was looking at you play i'm like that is sound so and this kick drum the last kicked up it's crazy to watch people during the show like we play this real the riff become and people are like so fucking movie. Yeah. And that is all the palm muted. Probably like some of suffocation inspiration here. Okay. Okay. I heard you, uh, if, if a guitar player wants to learn how to develop their, their speed and playing, I heard you talk about to do that, we want how to play slow. Exactly. And, uh, first off, I don't know what I'm talking about. I just did research because I heard you say it is, uh,

I saw you playing a E-Hermonic minor scale and you're playing it slow. And I was like, oh, wow. So if you're, is there something to that playing something slow? So if I would like to give some advice for player, if someone want to listen to me as someone, I can give the advice. I will, I always warm up slow. like I don't go fast I don't know I because I know

I can play fast I know that and I have to practice the songs in the in the tempo we're going to perform to keep in shape and stuff but but just for myself and especially being on tour

and warming up before the show I'm yeah as I say like I'm taking some scales or wherever, like minor hymonic or some other scale and I just go slow as much as possible just like

that's it that's my warm up and sometimes I'll do like triple like not faster than this just like easy that just to have a contact like physical contact with instrument with strings so

it's really and then I go there and just much as much I can. But this is enough for me. And I think going slow, it's important for later when you want to be precise in the fast tempo. Like that's something I come from the music school as well. I have a teacher, I have a teacher who always telling me like,

don't play only fast. I know you want to go fast as soon as possible, but even you know the song really well, even you know that, go back and practice is slow. Because if you're going to

play all the time only fast, fast, fast, then after the time you're going to maybe lose some of the like you go with the routine with something then the quality of what you're doing is it's going lower lower so you need to go and remember how it was on the beginning yeah it's all like this

it's a pretty long delay so you're just you're just cruising like a yeah I'm just like maybe it's it sounds boring maybe it's not like challenging and all but You just, it's all about to pay attention to press, press the string in the right place. So the muscle memory works after. Something like that. Okay. So you're just like doing stuff like this. You're just kind of feeling like the fretboard.

Yeah. Exactly. Like you know where you are. You know your place. Okay. I can be here. I can jam the same thing. Just important thing is to listen if every note is correct.

It's sounding, if every note sounding good. I think it's the best sound I ever had on the headphones playing on the cortex today. Yeah. Yeah, because I didn't like, like, I connect some headphones and it's like, too much highs, like harsh. It's sounding great right now. Yeah, sounds fine. Copy. Copy.

And coffee and riffs. It works. Cool. And then you do that for an hour, correct? Yeah, about the hour. As much as I need. I can feel like, okay, I'm already warm up. I can go to the stage.

And then try whiskey? We used to do that. You used to? Okay, okay. We used to do it. A couple shots of whiskey? We don't. Yes, also.

Back in the days, even like smoking like huge joint. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. You would play high? Oh, that's why Bogg is the goat. He knows how to do it high. I mean, it's some point, like after, I don't know which record. Organic or negation, we've been quite, we've been smoking quite a lot in the band.

And yeah, sometimes. like just before the show we just like smog all around okay let's go we're ready and it's like we play amazing it doesn't doesn't goes you know what does that feel like are you like you feel like in the zone

you feel like you feel the strings I'm like oh yeah so into the music but then I find out like it doesn't work that good anymore I mean I remember once like it changes when you get older like yeah

I I remember I go for the stage just after like few hits and the song was so long. Like I'm in the middle of the song and it's like, oh my God, it feels like half an hour already. But so right now we stop to do anything like that. Like we're going completely sober on the stage. Like even like maybe two, three years ago, we. always do like a shot of whiskey or two yeah we call it business meeting business meeting okay yeah okay it's a very important business meeting it's like okay we have a five minutes to the show business

meeting okay got it we take a shot and i mean it it's cool i i see the ramsstein guys still doing that like schnapps or something oh yeah they they have this tradition yeah it's cool like it's cool you can relax have a shot or you know yeah we we have like you know we still have like

three to four business meetings before yeah it's have a few meetings everything it works well for you yeah why not but it's crazy that talking about that

like these days you can see on a metal stage everything goes down with the drinking with I feel like musicians drop drinking like they are not doing that crazy a lot of pants are staying uh not that's crazy now yeah they're they're they're either going to say sober or riding sober i noticed that now

yeah yeah i noticed that like i grown in the different environment to be honest yeah when you start drinking start yeah when you start when you start 12 I was dripping, I'm drinking, I'm having business meetings, I'm 12. No, no, no, no. For sure, I start to play guitar earlier than I started drinking. Okay, okay. That's for sure. Nice.

But I think Vitek starts smoking cigarettes before me. Of course. It was like, I'm like, what are you doing, dude? No problem, man. I show you how to do it. He was such a great human being. But I'm so sorry about your brother, man. It's fucking sad.

It's really sad, man You guys were on your You're on your You're on your third record, right? After fourth record, yeah 2006 So you guys are touring in a van right And you had a

Did you have a driver? We have a driver Yeah That is Russian or Belarus Driver From this agency They made this tour

We've been in Russian and we've been driving van just before last show it's supposed to be last show on the tour last show and and it's crazy because the promoter said like you don't have to do that show because it's a long way there's not many people so if you will cancel that show it's okay and we've been of Of course, like this young ambition dues, like, no, we're going. We're going to sell a few t-shirts. We're going to play. And then it happened, you know, after like two hours drive or something.

What time was it? Summer, I don't remember exactly about like 12 or 1 p.m. Oh, so during a day. During the day. So you guys are all awake? Yeah. what if you know mine what what happened that was uh we've been rushing because that was a long way and uh i think driver was like over speed so he wanted to just like just like take faster the

other cars and uh that was a truck with the wood like with the like long pieces of trees at trunks yeah tree trunks so we smashed with this truck and the wood goes inside the van yeah and hit a few people hit Vteg in head and yeah

I'm sorry man yeah it was probably the worst is it worst memory I have That's a nightmare, man. It was a nightmare.

And he was 23, right? 23. Yeah. He was a kid. Kid. If you were 23, you feel already adult. But it's not like that. He was a kid.

Great personality. Great brother. Amazing musician. He just became a father. His daughter, his daughter right now, she's like 20 or 21 she started a medical university she she will be a doctor yeah he will be proud yeah he's he's one of the best definite drummers to ever do it man i mean he he creates something unique for sure like spheres of men like day 69 you guys created it was like if you were

if you will show the day 69 song this is his song he made it really yeah And he made it just on the drums. Then I become with the riffs after the drum parts when song was already recorded. Yeah. I love the, when you started doing like, yeah. This is like, this is like, I guess, I think it's really unique, like for death metal style. Yeah, yeah.

Connecting death metal with little jazzy playing with all the symbols. It kind of is, huh? It kind of is. And there is a drum solo in this song. It's a drum solo for like 30 seconds or... Is it towards the end? Oh, we... Oh, it's now, yeah.

There's jazz. Oh yeah, yeah. It's sick. I don't hear like this kind of parts in metal music in general. Like, okay, I remember because that was just drums and I become the riffs. And the drum parts was so sick. I was like, dude, I don't want to record any guitars for this. Just leave this place.

Just drums. Yeah, let's leave it. It's cool. It's always a special moment during the show. You can do the lights for the drums and shit like that. It's cool. Everyone's watching it, drinking, you know. I am talking about Vtec, like talking about the people they pass away.

So many of our friends. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Where is he? Mitch. yeah i mean i don't know like times is is curing um i can talk without a huge pain right now about v tech about it's always sentimental it's it hurts but uh i have so many good memories with him with the times we spent together and you have to know i need to say it keeps me going it really keeps me going

for what I'm doing. Sometimes they're like, why I'm doing that without him? Because it was all about us. The sound, the music, riffs. And I feel like kind of lonely,

like going just me. I have amazing band members right now. It's great. Great lineup. I have great drummer, James Stewart. I have Pavel, Paul Pasek on bass

and a new guy, Emmedy Bode from Finland. Rasta. It was amazing too. He did almost 15 years in the band and singing. He decided like, you know, choose his own path right now. He's doing lessons. Maybe he becomes with some new projects soon, we'll see, crossing fingers. So yeah, but it's still different. It's still new for me. With Vitek was, that was the, that was the sound, that was a D-Cup for real. So I miss this time. I miss this time. I miss.

him but I keep good memories and like I treat this as motivation for me to keep going even like almost every day I feel like where the fuck you are man like I need to go right now just me with fucking guitar alone but I don't know I'm keeping going with that anyway yeah man yeah Vech and a Conan you know man the Yeah, Coven is still in bad condition. I'm gonna visit him finally. It was not possible to visit him the Covan during the COVID times because it was too risky, so I didn't see him for a long time right now.

I'm gonna, probably after this tour, yeah, I need to visit him, say hi, listen music together. That's a lot of face, that's a lot to pace. you know it's a lot it's a lot too I face that yes it's not easy no no man and then something so tragic and

you're like how does that happen like a year and you were fine where the odds of that the odds they're like impossible I don't know I think I have really good support from my friends from my family. I think that's

all about, I'm surrounding by good people. Yeah. And good things. So I think this gives me the strength. And maybe music. Yeah. Like if you have something to do, if you have passion for something in your life, I think it's easier

to go through you can keep your mind for the different direction. Just make your, another goal, another challenge and just like go you know and and don't think too much about like the bad things yeah you know yeah unfortunately uh unfortunately when someone closer you passes unfortunately it does give you like this you're able after that you are able to handle a lot emotionally it gives you like a new bar to handle, right?

Like, so, so bad things that might happen to you. You have like this new capacity, right? So that's kind of one of like the positives, unfortunately. Yeah, you talk about like it can make you stronger. Yes. Yeah. Unfortunately, yeah. But my, my personal capacity has grown so much.

The things are like, are like, I don't want to say easy, but when bad shit happens, it's kind of easy. Because we have something to compare it to. It's like, oh, well, that's, this isn't even close to that. So this is like, you know. We'll get through this. Easy. I'm still, I think I, I've been into the tough things in life, but I still, I think I'm still, I think I'm still learning, like, how to deal with all those things.

I'm, of course, man. Honestly, I, family, it helps. Like, I see my daughters. Yeah. It's such a positive thing. to see them growing and they have a passion they go to theater school right now

they love it that's sick man so yeah we need to just keep it going and try to think positive no matter what maybe maybe I have this kind of mentality

like from Krosno from the land I come from like I remember always like my family members were always smiling we're always positive no matter what so I think I have I have something like that in my in my blood like just like trying to be optimistic and I'm thankful I'm grateful for that because not every human being can be like that much positive optimistic It's true.

You know. I think that's what, I think that's why people are fascinated with good people. It's like we, we have bad things to happen to us, but we're able to handle it and turn it into a positive. I think that's a very fascinating thing that humans have. You know, I think that's one of the things that makes someone like a good person. You know, like you don't let that. And how much you can influence the other people being positive? Like we have this, we have the band supporting people.

us a darkest hour oh yeah they're awesome those dudes the great players and the mike mike a guitar player oh yeah dude every day you see this guy he's totally positive optimistic and immediately you are in bad mood you see this guy you hear this guy talking of course okay no problem you feel good everything yeah yeah some people have that that's cool think like how much influence the other people with our energy oh sure that's crazy That's true. I try to do that. I'll see something kind of bummed out to say, what's up, dude? Yeah. What's up, man? What's up? Well, we're going to run into an hour and a half of fog. Anything that you want to, oh, one thing I want people to know about you. I think this might be a world record.

I think you've written the most definite risk of all of any other player. You might have, you might have wrote the most definal risks of anybody. Think about how many records and you're the only guitar player? Okay. Yeah, it's not easy task for sure. You might or no one you might have wrote I don't think no one's have written as many definal riffs as you. I don't know. I don't think about Chris, thank you for for mention things like that. It might be a record. Man, thank you so much but I never think about it. I think about it when I want to create the new set list for the shows and it's like, okay, we have just one hour or hour and a half and it's too many songs already.

Like we have a problem to choose the right set list right now. Sure. But I never think about it, but it's already a pretty big catalog. Yeah, of the riffs and of the songs. How many records deep are you guys? It's already, what, eight or nine? Nine, nine records. a lot of death metal riffs yeah it's a lot death metal riffs sick you know what like i sometimes like

it's it's changing every year like thinking about that about what you're doing what i'm doing in my life and uh talking about creating riffs for a beginning you're inspired by other bands you listen so it's or similar to some some other bands i think everybody have that on the beginning then you want to become more original, do something from yourself. It always will remind something, some other music, some other bands, but I think as much you're growing and you're getting older that I'm able to add something from myself, my own music language, my own style, mind which is cool and the important thing for me is to don't be afraid to to explore the new territories with your music like some bands keep going with the style yeah and it's good it's like

like slayer or like cannibal corpse i mean they change during the during the years but they keeping the same style they will not go with female vocal or really melodic nice chorus or anything like that yeah they need to keep going with the style but i'm i would like to be on the edge i like to yeah feel the little danger of yeah like like okay i want to do this riff it's more rock and roll or i uh invite the tati diana from from ginger that's sick and I was like I never think like oh shit it's maybe

too much or it can destroy the career of the band or what people will say about that oh shit oh let's like let's go let's see what happened you know it's like exploring the territory which is dark which is like

you've never been there before it's risky but I like this kind of risk you know I like this Risk is so important. It's kind of everything. If you want to take the risk, you're separated from a lot of people. A lot.

Just take the risks. You know, song writing, touring, this. It's one big rick. It's crazy. It's crazy life. Like, imagine you are in the plane, you are in the bus. You are constantly all the time in some vehicle, which is moving. Yeah.

In a moving case. It's a word life. It's done. It's a weird life. But we love it. I love it. Love it. I try to walk away from this life a lot of times.

It's just I can't walk away from this thing right here. I can't. I love it too much. You have a really good sound on that. Thank you. It's quad cortex. I went passive pickups a few months ago and I'm loving it. The bare knuckle pickups, I'm loving it.

Burnuckle? Because you've been on EMG? before for a while yeah yeah but then i've always been a passive guy i finally i made the movement i'm i'm loving it and a seven string fender come on oh my god come i'm freaking is that is that only i'm trying to get fender to to start making sevens i am trying i'm getting closer by the day just a little it's just baby steps but i think eventually uh hey chris maybe we can share like later on like

the sounds from cold text by the cloud yeah yeah just do it Yeah, I'm not too sure how the cloud works yet, but I'm slowly getting into the... Yeah. Should we close this thing off with the riff or what? I could just sit here and jam, it's sounding so cool. Damn, it sounds good. Let me see how drop would sound like. Yeah, so we're using...

We're using two tunings during the show. It's drop B and C Sharp standard. Okay. Which one is this? So this. Drop. B. Okay. So cool. Nice. A drop is sick.

I love drop, T-Rob. It drops. It drops. It's so much easier, too. Exactly. Vogue, is anything that we missed that you want out there? I just want to thank you, Chris, for invitation. I think you're doing great job. It's amazing. I'm honored, man.

I'm honored, thank you. It's really unique, a podcast from all the podcasts. I've seen all our own look ever, coffee, but it's different. Love Ola. I never do the podcast. I mean, this is probably the first podcast I ever did. Sick. So it's crazy for me.

We're honored, man. We're honored. And thank you for playing too. It's my pleasure. My pleasure. It was cool to know the history, you know. Yeah, I feel that we could talk for a whole day. Yeah, I'm kind of, yeah, it could go on.

But yeah, we need to get you out of here. But yeah, thank you. I just want to say, like, I thank you for invitation for sure. Anytime. And it's really cool experience, I have to say. And I want to, because this is today is the last day of the tour. I'll be there drinking.

I'm going to have a lot of business meetings today. We can have some. Let's do business meeting after the show for sure. Okay, cool. We fly tomorrow home. Wow, it's cool. So we can have a little bit. business meeting today. It's the end of the tour. It's a tour was fantastic. That's awesome.

Congratulations. Thank you very much. Yeah, that it, I didn't expect that it becomes that good, actually. Really nice people, smooth, great crew, good times. Another, another amazing US tour. We played last year with Septic Flash was great. Nice. and if some decapitated fans we will watch that i want to say big shout out for decapitated fans and all people they show up or our show like without

those fans where it means not too much to be honest like we can go back to the rooms and jam for ourselves yeah thank you for all the fans that's coming and supporting the band since that many years already. Yeah, years, records, eight records and throughout the changes still, it's awesome, man. So I'm gonna keep it going. Keep it going, you have to. He have a few new songs already written. Oh, cool, nice. So we're looking for maybe next year, really something new. Next year? Sick. Yeah. We're gonna see.

All right, Vogue, honored, Honour to hang out with you. Thank you so much, Chris. And thank you for everything that you've done for. It's definitely, man. It's sick. My pleasure. Really.

Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Anytime, man. All right, everyone. That's it. Later.