Garza Podcast - 17: Cristian Machado, Diego Verduzco | LIONS AT THE GATE, Ex-ILL NINO

Episode Date: June 7, 2021

Cristian Machado and Diego Verduzco are both musicians. Formerly of Ill Nino, have a new band out called Lions At The Gate. We talk about learning from mistakes, new music, and much more. SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB

Our two guests today are formerly of Onino and have a brand new band out called Lions at the Gate. By the time you're watching us, where we're listening, they just came out with a new song. So go jam it. It's out now. Knowing them personally, they've been through a lot behind the scenes just trying to get this band off the ground, which to me, it's always inspiring to see that. So hope we enjoy this conversation. Let's get into it. Everyone, please welcome Diego Borgisco and Christian Matrato.

Welcome to the baby podcast The babies I got my favorite babies in here Diego Chris Thank you for being here man Honored No man Thank you for having us

Thank you baby Thank you Thank you I was thinking about When was the Mayhem tour That was 2014 right Yeah 14

Wow That was fun man That was a good fun tour Before I guess before it stopped Being a tour Hopefully it'll come back Yeah we got like

The last like really sick year. The last year. The following one, I don't think did that well. Yeah. I don't remember who was on the last one. Yeah, I think it was Slayer and

King Diamond. King Diamond, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we had... You know, it was definitely like a dark mayhem. There wasn't any, like, big breakout acts or anything like that, the last one. But I think the year that we were on, it was fun. There was some really cool acts on there. Yeah. We had

corn and cannibal on the same day. You can't ask for much more than that. Yeah. God, I was sick. What a musical evolution, just those two bands on the same festival, you know? And both those bands, you're right, have done so much, you know. Yeah, Cannibal, I mean, this 90s DM. How ridiculous was it that we were there every day, watching them side stage every day?

It was nuts. Dude. So much fun. Shout out to you a George, man. The catering was so good. Yeah. I remember the catering being good. Because sometimes, you know, on festival tours, it could be awesome or, you know, it could, you could get some bad leftovers, maybe.

Yeah. Let's go back to George. Okay. I want to remind George that I am the only person on this earth to beat him at windmilling. Oh, no, this could cause some serious. And there is video to prove it. There is video, huh? There is video.

Who has a video? I do. Oh, baby. I saw it. I was there. That was in Oklahoma, right? It was. Yep.

Was it at your party? Was it the party that you guys threw? I think I advanced you were the party. I don't remember. I'm not sure. It was the avenge party? Yeah, it was nice. What did you guys do for your party?

I forgot what it was. Me too. I guess that means it was a good party. It was a really good. Yeah, I don't think you're supposed to remember that kind of stuff. It was a good party, man. I think we had a mariachi style party. I think I vaguely remember that

Wow what what is up with that like the order you get like you try to like oh wait what do we do It might have had something to do with tacos that it might have been like yeah you guys did a taco A Mexican party or something like that yeah I think so I think Alex had an idea do you like a A taco theme or something Tacos and tequila yeah yeah you got a I think I wouldn't make copies of of that video I'm going to have to start spreading it around YouTube.

Yeah. I want to buy some ads. Yeah. He's not going to like it. Sorry, George. Dude, I was just thinking like... You're going to buy ads, and then chiropractors are going to buy ads in front of your ads. They're going to be like, whoever's watching this is definitely messing up their neck.

I'll say that right now, he'll beat me no matter what. Like, he's got a little more practice on me right now. I've taken some time off. Yeah? And my hair's way longer now, so he'll probably beat me. But I can get back in shape, George. Yeah. Well, we got to stop, stop eating the cookies.

It's because they always put the cookies by the salads at catering. It's fucked up, man. Cookie salad. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's what you do. Don't get me around cookies. I can't say no. And then I do a pizza salad.

That's healthy, dude. What fuck? Snacks. Yeah, pizza salad. We had a, what was our snack crew? Pizza. It was no, it was like, we had a name for it. It was like midnight snacking.

Midnight Munchy Crew? Something like that. Yeah. Around midnight. Snack attack. Yeah. Like it became a really bad habit where like someone said let's order Domino's. But you got to do it. But it's like you're around like, I don't know how many hungry guys.

You got to do it like secretly. Yeah. You know. And Chris was, I mean, you're already passed out by then. I was probably hibernating somewhere. Yeah. Imagine the Domino's guy that had to deliver pizza to like you guys and cannibal corpses bus. Yeah.

He's probably like he's probably listening to the music saying to himself, I probably shouldn't knock on this door. I know. That what? Who's in there? Oh shit. Yeah, you got to secretly order pizza because you're around. I don't know how many dudes. So you could like a crew together.

Okay, we're going to buy this amount of pizza. Then you got to like stock the like Domino's pizza guy or a girl. And then you got to take it and like hide it. and eat it, eat it in your... Or put your name on it and leave it in the refrigerator. That don't work. And then still get it stolen from you. That's usually what happens.

All it takes is someone can eat high or drunk. Oh, it's name, ah, it's mine. Yeah. Yeah. My food's gotten eaten many times. Yeah. Doesn't matter. And I know who usually ate it.

Oh, dang. Well, if it has anything to do... If it has anything to do with chocolate, everybody knows it belongs to me. Oh, yeah. yeah it's like i'm like the chocolate tax man you got chocolate there was uh you gotta give me 50% of that bro 50 turns into 100 real quick yeah don't show me where you're hiding your chocolate that's the worst mistake you'll ever make yeah he has a sleepwalking thing sometimes and i remember a little long time ago in europe sometimes sometimes that's when i don't get chocolate yeah

that's the only time i sleepwalk what is it our guitar tech at the the time got a gift of like a chocolate basket from some friends and he was like all excited and he's like my chocolates my chocolates and this guy had a snack attack chocolate tacks woke up in the can't bring that chocolate on the bus without getting taxed woke up we all woke up and there's chocolate wrapper on the floor and then our guitar tech case he was like my chocolates and it was him they're all over his chest and his bunk it might have been it might have been in some special chocolate. You know how in Europe,

like, they have like these weird chocolates you'll never find in the U.S.? Yeah, great chocolate. It might have been something like that where he was really upset. He was going to bring it home or something like that.

Oh, yeah. I definitely, I definitely shouldn't have done that. I'm sorry, Casey. It's probably like the kinder, up you know's. Oh, those kinders are good, man. They're here now.

I know. Oh, they're here. They weren't always here. No. I have to constantly buy them. My girl loves them. Yeah, they're great. They're all like that perfect amount of crunch. I just want the toy Put the toy together. Sure you do. I got a race car last time

Oh my gosh Wait there is there's a toy? Yeah, remember you open up the kind of chocolate and the egg Inside the egg there's like some I don't know child's toy oh you guys talking about the eggs yeah, yeah, they did the eggs and they have like those they're kind of like twixt style Yeah, you want to hear a funny story man I got so excited one day about eating one of those eggs I almost ate the toy. I was like, this is plastic.

I had to take it out of my mouth. Like, why would they put plastic in this candy? You got too excited about your chocolate, man. In the dark, you're just eating some chocolate. You might eat the plastic, bro. Don't put no toys in my chocolate. Yeah, especially when you're probably having it

around 2 a.m., which is probably you don't really have like the patience or thinking pattern. It takes it properly eat. Well, I mean, not anymore. Once a doctor is like your blood sugar level is really high, you should start cutting down on everything that you eat that has sugar in it. I was like, okay, doctor. Did they say that? They've said that to me, yeah, yeah.

So I'm pretty much on like fruits and pretty much fruits is how I eat my sugar now. Whenever I want a sugar rush, California mandarin's, California grapes. You can't beat the fruit in the state, dude. it's next level yeah it's true huh amazing fruit in this state bananas apples oranges they're all very fresh and sweet i guess because they ripen on the vine and they kind of throw it in your face when you're driving around with the signs vine ripened really damn y'all got fresh fruit out here well what they call this city uh the citrus city so they used to have like a ton of orange grows around here. So yeah, this

used to be like the place you get oranges. Yeah, I believe it, dude, because the fruit out here is sweet. Very sweet. Yeah, I love it. People on the East Coast are jealous right now. Very lucky. We are very fortunate to have the

fresh fruit here. We were just me and Cece were watching a documentary about avocados. Dude, the avocado highway. I live right by the avocado highway. Really? Apparently that's what I-15 was called for a little while.

Yeah. Before the 15 freeway was there by Temecula, it was called like the avocado highway, or there's like another side route or something, but they have huge avocado girls. People, you know, have like acres of it and pay companies to come in and take the avocados during summer whenever they do the harvest. I don't know. Yeah.

But yeah, you get some good prices, man. I love living in California, dude. when'd you make that move? Eight years ago, like a year before my daughter was born. Okay. Pretty much moved out here to, you know, live in California and have a child

and let her grow up in California. Wow. But I wouldn't have made it out of here if I didn't know Diego was here, you know? The fact that Diego was out, he was like, oh, okay, well, a couple of guys from the band have been there, Diego's there.

Yeah. So it made it a little easier to jump over for sure. Yeah. A lot of the signs were pointing on me I got to move, right? Sure. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Did you go straight to the Timkla area?

No. Lived in Long Beach for a little while. Long Beach. Loved living in Long Beach. But it's just so expensive. It got so expensive. And it also, you know, once you get your bike stolen

out of your garage like three or four times, you're like, maybe we should move. Whoa. I mean, was it in a big? bad area in Long Beach? No, it was in an okay area, but we had just been there long enough where the, you know. You lived in Belmont Shore, which is like super chill, nice. Yeah, it's the good area, but they still go looking for things. They break into properties a lot and people get mugged a lot there. You know, they come in from out of town to do that, obviously.

Oh, is that it? I, that's what the people locally say that a lot of, you know, people come from other parts of L.A. to look for trouble there, I guess, because they know it's a, it's a chiller area. People aren't expecting that, or they might not get caught me. I have no idea.

Yeah. But I know that, you know, they'll take your bike. Don't leave your bike, even with chains on in front of your house or in the back. It'll be gone. That bad, huh?

Yeah. Dang. Yeah, I learned that from my parents. Don't leave anything out in their front, even if it has chains on. Yep, yeah. Oh, it'll be gone. It's gone.

Yep. disappear. I couldn't believe it one day. I couldn't believe it. The first bike that disappeared, I was like, wow. It was like right in the front porch, chained up to the front porch and everything. And it was during the day that they did it. It blew my mind. Oh, wow. Totally blew my mind, man. That's nice. Well, like, welcome in California. Well, it's great that you made a move down here. I'm sure. I'm sure you've been loving.

it's a great vibe out here totally totally man yeah i love it out here for sure i've turned into a weather summer weather lover you know like everyone else is here and yeah i keep all my jackets in garage and storage and stuff like that cool that's awesome that's awesome well it's cool that uh our main baby you know influenced that it's cool yeah yeah for sure you were living in long beach for a little while too. Yeah, a little while. Long Beach area. Yeah, about a year.

It was a chill. It's a chill area. You know, and you're kind of like right between Greater L.A. and Orange County. So you can get to Orange County in 20 minutes. You can get the L.A. proper in 20 minutes. It's not right at all.

Nah. I mean, I loved it there. It's nice. If I would have been wealthy enough to buy a fortress and build a castle with tall walls, nobody steals my bike, I would have stayed.

Yeah. But, you know, you start thinking, especially like once you have a kid, you start thinking differently. And, you know, the shootings there. So I just moved out a little further, you know. It ain't no different than what everybody does. Yeah. Most of the people that usually live in the inner cities, they eventually wind up a little further, you know. Yeah.

Yeah, you were probably more maybe like the maybe not so good area in Long Beach. I was like on the borderline of the downtown and Belmont Shore. I lived in Belmont Shore, but it was. Pretty much the end, yeah, it was the end of Belmont Shore, and it was right by ocean highway, which always attracts a lot of riffraff. Because it's right by the ocean, you know, so you'll get anybody who's up to no good being by the boardwalk, by the ocean, by the streets, right by the ocean. Wow. But I loved it there, you know. I loved living there.

it's just some of the circumstances of living in Long Beach were like, ooh, man, it's scary. What if one day, you know, I parked my car and I'm walking home and the dude steps to me with a gun, what am I going to do? And it could happen anywhere, but it was just happening a lot over there.

Yeah. It's weird. I was just there, like, last week, and I saw, I was on the beach. It was like a restaurant on the beach called Plunge. A beautiful spot. I'm like, man, this is beautiful. And but I you can't

I forget there is that side of Long Beach as well Sure sure you know And now it's even crazier now it's like Yeah you're sitting in this beautiful Patio and someone just walks up and takes a shit right in front of you You know yeah it could get that bad too The situation is getting crazy now you know It sucks but you know right now what can we do

Yeah you know A lot of stabbing for some reason You know the whole definitely the homeless thing in California is insanely out of control. I don't know how it's managed to get this way. I imagine it's between policies and

people looking away or whatever it is, but you know, if you walk around the layman, it's dangerous. It's not even safe anymore. Yeah. And Long Beach, little by little, was kind of heading in that direction. You know, because people

wander. People that are up to no good shit, they wander. And they'll walk and they'll take the bus and they'll go somewhere else and they'll just keep going until they find a place they can cause trouble without having any consequence of the trouble they're causing. Without having to deal with any consequence. That sucks. But Temecula's chill, though. Where I'm at now is super chill. I mean, I go to the park every day.

You know, there's like acres of park and trees everywhere. Yeah. As we get older, you know, you want more chillness. your life totally you know it was fun to be up in the mix and the back in the day but now you're just like want to be left alone yeah yeah you know yeah sit on my patio no one bothers me totally just enjoy silence you know like for me like I I don't I'm very quiet in the mornings I hit you know like a lot of people ask me you must turn the music up really loud around I hate that yeah like I'm I put on meditation music and

chill. I don't like noise. I don't like sounds. I'm just like sometimes I'll even put your plugs in You know, it's funny. I was I was like that until until my daughter started living with me And she's into like this turn it up turn it up Turn it up come on the way here. We were blasting some song from the home soundtrack dropped that and it was like boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom and she's like turn it off Oh no, my ears can't take it anymore And somehow I had to like grow fond of it all over again I was like wow Okay well there goes to quiet

All right I'll work around this somehow Yeah there's still moments when you want to blast Yeah music And I'm in the car like drop drop drop drop drop drop drop drop drop Yeah especially the lifestyle that That you guys have had for I mean Well over a decade you know Christian going on you know two decades, like just that loud, always around people lifestyle.

You know, it's nice to have that, like, opposite way of being when you're home, huh? Yeah, for sure. It allows you to appreciate, you know, quiet time, which is time with a few people, not a big crowd of people. Yeah. And, you know, a lot of musicians have issues balancing that, you know, knowing how to go from the big hangout party crowd and then coming home and having a home life but i always enjoyed it you know i always enjoyed a good even balance you know i never got too

caught up in anything so i guess i was lucky as far as that yeah yeah it is it is it is And it sucks a lot of people in the touring life, you know. It could definitely wear you down quickly if you're on the road, on the road, on the road, not taking breaks in between. Yeah. You know, I know that in the beginning I found myself being like weeping out for like five months. I'm exhausted, like shot to shot from being out on the road. Yeah. But the, I guess the adrenaline just keeps you going.

You know, the excitement of doing something fresh of being out on the road. playing music yeah just keeps you going you're like ah screw it i'll pay attention to it later totally yeah it's it's pretty i wonder how it's gonna be for for you guys but uh congratulations that the band is officially out uh thank you brother new tunes out video looks sick song is sick album is great it's uh think for like our age we're a little bit older so we can maybe like the next time we do go out and and do that lifestyle we have a more like mature way to go go about things and like I really throw down yeah it's more balanced yeah you know how to you know how to take care of yourself you know totally uh you know what you can't can't do anymore yeah uh health wise you know uh you just learn

your body you know you can't be raging every day because then the back starts hurting or something you know like one of the main things is like now especially getting sick on the road yeah like we're all gonna freak out like imagine getting COVID on the road yeah like we're like telling you're telling you you're telling you to a manager you got to cancel seven of them not just one yeah you know you got to dude someone it's only in the crew or is i'm sure it's happened to you guys where the whole bus is sick of having us you know where we're like calling you know doctors trying to find right Rock Dogs to get, you know, prescriptions to, for some antibiotics and stuff like that because everyone's just hurling and coughing.

Yeah. Now it's me like, oh, man, he needs a test. Give him the test. Dude, the tour bus is basically a tube full of germs, you know? Yeah. And you're interacting with a lot of people on the road. But that's just the nature of it. I think that maybe COVID will bring about more awareness about how many germs we were spreading

before, you know, but maybe not. Yeah, I don't know how do you see you guys reacting? Yeah or how you guys see yourself reacting to when you're out there now and like you know you're hanging out with people like Like like what are you guys gonna do I get I get different answers At first I was shook you know at first I was I guess the the fear mongering really got to me Yeah, and I was like I guess we're all gonna die I was like this shit is gonna kill us all that's what they're saying and everybody's dying, I guess we're all going to die.

But then you start realizing, you know, I guess we're not going to all die. It was really weird the way it went down, you know, because we live in modern times. And to have a pandemic of that sort, you know, it's something that nobody was expecting, even though they've been telling us it was going to happen eventually. Yeah. Apparently, that's what they've been telling us. Yeah. Everything is apparently nowadays, you know, because you just don't know where it's coming from.

We're just going to be much more aware now, aware of surrounding situations. Yeah. I mean, something as simple as like meet and greets, shaking hands. We did it all the time. And, you know, actually. And nobody really even thought twice about anything like that. But, you know, I remember he would always be the one that was like, guys, make sure you wash your hands and like coming after us because they're like, ah, don't worry about it. We're all good.

man, no, here's the hands, hand, and tell you, now it's like, you gotta prepare, bringing that stuff with you because now you know. And actually, I got vaccinated. He got vaccinated. I don't care.

I'm ready to get back to work. You know, but there's still that chance. And, you know, for everybody who has a family at home, you don't want to bring something home. Your parents, my parents, your parents, you know. The vaccine definitely gives you

a little bit of like vaccine muscle. Because beforehand, I was like, I don't know, that guy's coughing over there. He just sneezed three times. But now I'm like, out of here with that sneeze, bro. It's like a little like insurance policy, you know. I feel comfortable. Yeah. You know.

But like he's a, like there was a lot of fear mongering. And I think it's changed. Oh, it definitely got to me. At first I thought we were all going to die, bro. I was like, this is going to kill everyone. It's changed people. Now it's like, you know, before someone would. in front of you, you're like, oh, bless you.

Now someone sneezes from me, like, do you know that that will travel six feet in front of you, sir? Does he got it? Does he got it? Yeah, we were locked up for a month, and remember like, he's watching Netflix, I cocked once, I'm like, oh. That was the worst part about the whole

shutdown part. Yeah, I'd be like, oh my God, why it was my throat scratchy? Yeah. It's definitely, it was sketchy. a sketchy situation of being in the way i'm like i'm fine and even if i got it i would be fine because chances are that i'm healthy enough that i can fight it off yeah and then the numbers are showing that most people do get better yeah but it was just like i said the fear mongering like it was weird oh my god it did its work and you know i you know i you know i definitely

stay away from my media and like news for that purpose you know it's like that like fear and uh I noticed, like, washing it for, like, two days. I noticed, like, my outlook on life was negative. I noticed, like, I was a little bit more antsy throughout the weeks. I was like, why am I, I'm watching the news? Yeah. It's so weird. Now, I coughed my, I feel like this.

Oh, this is what it does. I completely stop washing it. And then now I kind of went back to, like, my normal stuff. Like, damn, that was kind of weird, like, diving into it for a few days. And, like, it goes into your body, man. Your mind and soul and your bones. It's just weird. Yeah.

It definitely changes the way you feel, for sure. A lot of people may not notice it, but I do notice that people that watch the news a lot are always suspecting something is wrong or very scared about things. They have very negative outlook on, you know, situations or life in general and very low trust of people and things like that.

And I mean, I think in a world like today we all have to, you know, have certain walls up. But, man, it's so much more fun to live life, having hope in humanity. Yeah. Rather than, you know, losing faith in humanity and feeling like everybody's just a disaster, which is where news will guide you. News will definitely guide you towards everyone is a disaster run for your life. I used to be a news junkie constantly watching news, reading news.

And then the same thing, you know, I, I stopped watching television during the whole shutdown and everything. I stopped watching the news because it was just, I noticed it was making me angry. Whether if it was just something that was plain bullshit that was being force-fed to you. So actually I started reading the news. Like, get this right-wing fork out of my plane! You know, reading the news actually forces you to do a little bit more thinking about things

and reading other things because, you know, one channel gives you this hunk of shit and another channel gives you this hunk of shit and you got to put them both together to see which shit makes sense. One of the funniest things I remember of the... There was nothing really funny about the pandemic, but how some people reacted, it was pretty funny.

By your house, there was like some big house that had Christmas lights up by Diego's house. And instead of like having a decorative Christmas light, you know situation they they put Ask China with their Christmas lights and it was just as China As China as China as China

During the pandemic During the closures you know But in California they were pretty Hardcore with the closures you know Yeah I mean everything shut down They shut down the schools they shut down the stores Everything

Yeah I'm pretty lucky to live in like a smaller town And there's same same There's like that oh yeah It's part of the like the same and there's like there's this one Italian spot that never shut down. Wow.

The whole time did so I was getting lunch there inside it at the full spread. Full spread going there for lunch and I'm like dang I'm inside where it's like it's nothing. It's like well is there a coincidence that it's Italian and like no it's not once

and there's one pizza spot also up the street from here that closed down once for like a couple weeks. They're like, if we're closed And we ain't surviving Ain't nobody shutting us down Yeah

I don't blame them I mean Yeah You can't really blame What businesses went through man It's It's insane I don't even know

How people got through it Yeah I have no idea I mean I don't know How parents got through it I had to have I'm half schooling Half days with my daughter

And I don't know How other parents do it That aren't able to work from home I don't know how they did it Yeah Yeah it's tough So many like good people People are struggling.

And that's kind of like the one thing about not watching the news. Like, you know there's great people out. There's truly good people out there. There's a lot of them. Most people, I think, are just trustworthy people. Yeah. Just trying to do their own thing. They're not the ones getting the news bites.

You know, the good people aren't the ones in the news. It's all the shitheads. You know, like the news isn't informative. It's all entertainment ratings. You know, it's how many people can we get to watch so we can sell ads? to which prescriptions and this and that and the other. The thing also the news are so, like, when you start watching MSNBC

and then Fox next to each other back and forth, if you don't understand the narratives right away, then you're just blind. You know, if you don't see how they're both just like tugging up people for politics, then you just don't get it. Or maybe you're into it, and that's your thing. You like hearing political things

and being tugged at. Yeah. But it definitely worked during the pandemic, whatever they were doing, because it got me in the beginning. I was like, whoa, we're dying. I was like, we dying. I started eating ice cream every day. I didn't even care.

I started smoking cigars, dude. I started smoking. I was like, I guess just smoked cigars because we're going to die anyway. Might as well enjoy it. Yep. Start to eat ice cream and wow. And then my doctor was like, you're going to kill yourself.

I was like, damn, you're right. I think that's what we're all doing. We all started drinking more wine and eating more ice cream. That's what I remember, drinking bottles and bottles and bottles of wine. Dude, we were eating, we were, you see, we were drinking bottles and wine. I love the cups, dude. It was great. Thank you.

They're classy. Thanks, man. So, I mean, yeah, we only got, I got into cigars, too. I'm like, I always enjoy this. What is it? I don't know. You know? I was like, we're dying, I guess I'm smoking cigars.

Yeah. Cigars are very chill. Turned me into a day drinker. Like I said, like, I've got to go to the grocery store. Now he's just enough to get some wine instead. Yeah. Fuck groceries. Get some wine.

It's tough because habits creep up. I'm just now getting out of that habit of drinking all the time at night because of the, like, the panties. Oh, man, like this is a habit. This is a habit. My neighbor also works for a, a winery too so he was like give me all this good stuff too and I'm like oh wow there was you know what there was some cool I hate saying the cool the cool things about the pandemic but there was a sense of like at least where I live community you know

because everybody was sitting at home so we all started barbecue together and in my neighborhood you know yeah I don't think you've been there for like where the community get together as you have like literally all our neighbors know each other and Awesome. It was like weekly potlucks in the courtyard. That was cool. You know, so the sense of community, we got closer, you know, knowing that we have to respect each other's space and all that stuff like that.

That is cool, because you got that courtyard. Yeah. Like we set up, you know, tables and stuff like that. And like I tell my girl, I'm like, we're never going to live in another place like this where we have such cool neighbors because this is the first time, only time, where I know all my neighbors and if anything's, you know, know, going to happen, they're going to help you out. You know, so that was one, like I said, I hate saying it,

but one cool thing about the pandemic, that I was like a sense of community, at least where I live, you know, but. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of good that happened. Yeah. You know, and you live, your spot's really chill. You have that courtyard. You just, you go out your front door and boom. Yeah.

It's sick. Let's set up a table. Super chill. Yeah. Yeah, you order your pizza. You step out. outside and courtyard and there's and there's the pizza delivery person and yeah you got to come back yes i know i keep inviting you yeah you guys you guys were the first really you guys were the first band and that

first tour where i found myself i'm kind of going out a little bit more i'm hanging out with you know the bands i mean when i say bands i meant like you know Diego and and you guys i'm like oh i'm usually i would not go out and i don't know what it was about you guys you guys were very fighting and it was it was super cool yeah super chill and then I kind of started this whole thing and you know and Diego knows how hard it is to get me outside oh bro but but the fact that you can it says something yeah yeah yeah Alex told me like hey Garza is really quiet but the fact that he talks to you means a lot yeah I was like I know I know he's a special dude yeah see and if I you know he asked me to hang out five times I'll go out there at least once yeah you know

I'm up to four, so the next time I hit you up, you hit the count. You go check, and then right there might get you ready to cross it. So it's time to come out. The funny thing about, you know, not going out is even most of the time I would just be like, no, I'm just hanging out on the bus, you know. I wouldn't normally go anywhere. But I'd still want to know what happened the next morning. Of course.

You know, like what did you fools do last night, you know? Who got in trouble? Yeah. Oh, totally. Totally. Man, I'm stoked. I'm ready for you guys go back out. Yeah, man, I can't wait. I'm excited to... It's been a while. I'm excited to play the songs on the album the most, you know?

Yeah. Because they're new and it's just a little bit different spin on things and just feels good to have a fresh start, I suppose. The amount of rehearsal we're going to have to put into this is going to be insane because this is like very dynamic. you know so everybody's got to be on point and you know I got to rethink my rig Arrude's got to rethink his rig you know where in the day is plug and play and I'll still be like that for the most part but you know all the dynamics in the music now you know it's gonna it's like a fun challenge yeah but it I mean I'm so pumped to play him you know it's gonna be exciting for you guys I mean you guys can start practicing

seeing playing the songs and getting getting ready it's a very exciting time for you guys it's cool it is it is i always feel that the beginning the the early days of you know getting whatever it is that you're doing going is the most memorable you know and the most fun the thing that feels the most exhilarating the creative and the creation process i suppose but you know it's it's fun to know that we're going to play you don't get many chances at playing your debut album the entire show you know you only get a shot at that once the shot the the fact that i'm getting a shot at that twice is pretty unique and i'm very grateful for that yeah yeah it's cool that you you get like another another start sure you know do you you having the first ones already rare enough

yeah have another one yeah how rare is that man it's cool it is it is I feel awesome some, it's exciting that we have a really cool debut album. And that the songs are good, you know, that's what's exciting about it. The songs are good. Yeah. And I can't wait to play them. I really can't. Hopefully the world will come back to some normality sometime soon and people can mosh again.

Yeah. Yeah, I think it's already there, you know? There's this worry about, are people going to buy tickets? But then we kind of figure it out out very quickly. Yeah. People don't know what fuck. No, man. People are buying tickets and people want to go to shows and people are buying meetings. Are the tickets selling good for festivals and stuff like that?

Oh, yeah. Big. Your tour is half sold out already. Congratulations. That's amazing. Awesome. It'll be probably all sold out by the time you guys go. Meeting greed.

So, I mean, so that whole worry is gone, you know. So I think by the time you guys go out, it's going to be, it's going to be special. Let's link up. Let's go. Let's go. Let's do a secret show. don't even start and then we'll talk about going out afterwards

but then we won't really go out just like hang out and put a documentary or something where should this secret show be out of secret place hello oh yeah good one quick a slide bar would be pretty cool slide bar yeah slap bar that's pretty sick yeah yeah it's a rowdy that place is tiny

yeah tiny a place but it's cool it's cool vibe It's all about that Did you go to the slide bar show? I didn't I thought you were there I don't remember why I was hammered by the town was over

So I thought I saw you Uh oh You guys played that to slide bar? Yeah it was sick Damn that's insane That you guys would even try that I know I think it was Valentine's Day

Or around there I mean of course But we had no idea That was gonna be our last show For a long time Was the slide bar Or was it chain Was both

Was that weekend We did San Diego Channed and secret and a sidebar. It's cool as a spot that their PA is sick as fuck. I think you guys that were fucking killed. It's called the doll hut. Cramming into that corner stage.

Doll hut. Don't tell me you never in the doll hut. No, and I haven't even heard of it. In Anaheim? What? Never heard of it ever. It's smaller than the studio, probably. Just go. The stage is as big as the couch. It just made me think, like,

how quick the club with a shitty PA would get shut down anywhere in L.A. where everybody's like an engineer, And everybody goes to the show like, let's see how good he mixes this nonsense over here. Let me see. Is the front of house guy on point for this one? Yeah. Man, they've been having shows here at the dive bars in the past few, two months. Oh, really?

We're having shows here. No one cares. Like, fuck it. I think I saw a little bit of moshing too. I heard a one spot because I know that, like, you know, local heads by me talk about how there's no clubs. or metal bands play around Temecula. The only spot they talk about is a spot that always comes up, the show plays or something that you guys used to...

Showcase. Showcase. That you guys used to play a lot, apparently. Still around? Yeah. Did you guys ever play there? We played there once, yeah. Sick.

A long time ago. Awesome. With Silent Civilian and 40 below summer, I think. Nice. It was one of those, like, 2008 or 2007 tours. Yeah. Yeah, but that place was pretty cool by some train tracks and it was a pretty decent size place. The kids got rowdy in there.

That's usually all that matters, you know, as long as the crowd is having fun. Yeah, of course. The band's having fun. Yeah, they're like, damn, O'Neill is in town. We got to go. Shout out to my high school friends, Bernie and Fernie. We were, man, Christian, I heard her voice in I was in 16, man. We loved you guys, man.

We love you guys. Big, definitely in a pool of inspiration for a suicide silence. Totally. That's way too much pressure put on me, man. It's crazy, huh? I mean, that's something that people don't really talk about. Like, you know, other forms of metal will, you know, influence, you know, like other extreme bands, you know. Us, like we were all in that scene, you know.

It was cool. Dude, likewise, the first time I saw you guys like that. it completely blew my mind at the whiskey opening up for Sepul Torah. Oh, you were there? Yeah, and it's just complete, my mind was just blown. And I know it must have been the early days. I'm not sure you guys were in a century media still. Yeah.

But I remember, you know, I don't know, feeling familiarly the same how maybe you felt when you first heard of Lino. But when I saw you guys live, I was like mind blown. It was the first time I had ever heard of your band. Yeah, that's awesome. And I had always been like a, you know, death metal kid during the early mid-90s, late 90s, early 2000s. I had always loved the death metal scene. So the fact that you guys really, the fact that you were able to make such brutal music be so catchy blew my mind when I saw you guys.

Wow. Crazy. You guys were so young. I mean, you and I are almost the same age, but I remember. Yeah, now, now, now we're old. Yeah. Well, I remember, I remember, like, how young, you guys were in the band, because I remember hearing, like, oh, there's this band from Riverside. They're called Suicide Silence. They're freaking crazy, man. They're so heavy. They're so heavy. And we would, like, YouTube, you guys, and you guys would be, like, all bunched up. Yeah. And I think I told you, you guys used to have a drummer that wore a mask. Yeah, for this one, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When I was really German, Josh, shout out.

And I just remember, like, how at the time I was just like, whoa. I'm in Orange County, so I'm like, we were hearing about suicide science. How old were you? Like 16? Yeah, around there. Listening to El Niño, yeah. That's funny, because you were out here. That's true.

You were out here. Yeah, that's awesome. I remember that. What a shit. I had to wait until you guys were signed to, like, hear about you, you know? It's dope. What a cool way to grow up, huh? Just hearing about other bands.

So dope. A few towns away. Cities away. I know. You know, because you're 20, 30 minutes from me. Yeah. You know, we probably were at the same shows together. Probably.

I didn't even realize it. Yeah, like we were probably at El Nino show at the showcase together. Yeah. You know, I remember getting dropped in my head at one show. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy, man. It's cool.

Christian, I know, I know you're not from, New Jersey but you pretty much have like your roots your musical roots from Jersey right and that's something that we that we have in common where like we have like hardcore

roots and then we kind of took that that honesty and then put it into what we were doing because we were just around it I mean there's all right so what what shows do you play well there's hardcore shows I guess what does hop on those yeah you know So we have like that very similar, I mean, took that and put it into, infused our foundation with the, with our respectful hardcore scenes.

Yeah, I mean, I, I was definitely big time influenced by New York hardcore. I mean, anybody that was into metal in the New York scene during that time was influenced by New York hardcore. And for sure, you know, I mean, when I was coming up as a musician, just barely getting signed. those were the artists that basically, you know, I looked up to, performance-wise, personality-wise, the things they want to say in the music, and also just the people they are, you know. I think the New York hardcore scene offered our band a lot of great things to grow from, for sure, even though we weren't really a hardcore band, you know, we can came from that scene, played with a lot of those bands,

and always, I guess that's why maybe some of those memories will be some of the best times, you know, coming up and the struggle, if you will, of trying to develop something that's fun and different and unique. So getting a little bit of that for sure. It's a counterculture, you know. There's the DIY aspect of it and making it on your own, you know. Back to like when you were up and coming

with suicide it's like i.e. was known for like bands extreme bands. I don't remember many of the names of those bands back in the day but I remember obviously you guys stood out but I remember for a while Riverside Corona were all like the extreme metal bands were coming out of. It's like a mini Florida yeah totally you guys were just angry out here yeah yeah out of this dirt why so angry you guys are just like it's because it's hot over here that's true It's too hot. It's 85. It's fucking hot. It's always hot. God.

Or it might just be like the freedom to really out here you could just kind of do your own thing and you know, you're maybe being different isn't as looked down on as other places, you know. So you feel a little bit more radical and doing more radical things perhaps, you know. Yeah. New York has similar kind of thing like that where you just feel a little bit more. free i guess with your experimenting or extravagancy yeah yeah it's crazy how it's like that with the with the two coasts like the two east coast and west coast they have that they both had their their strengths and their own like unique things yeah yeah absolutely it's interesting isn't that crazy how just location and where you live and what kind of the weather and situation you grew up can could

It could definitely influence how you say things and, you know, what approach you have to your music. It's really unique. It's a total mind bend if you think about it. Yeah. Do you find that even today, even like you just did like a new record, even today, back then to today, like you still hold what you learned in the hardcore scene and you still use those lessons now? I think so. I think so. but you know the older you get the more mistakes you make so you also the same as you would

you know keep a notebook for all the things that work that you feel were good decisions you know you build up your little notebook of mistakes and bad decisions too so yeah i definitely got a little black book of mistakes that i've carried around and you know um it's it feels great to be able to have a fresh start that is for sure not a lot of of people, you know, work at being in a band for so many years and then get a chance at having a new band all over again. Yeah. So it's fun. It could also be a little bit scary. But I think the fact that we tried to focus on the music and really nothing else but that, maybe not necessarily having a the able just kind of let us be like,

we're just going to focus on doing something really, really good. It doesn't matter what it is. Yeah, it's refreshing to do something that's honest. You know, I always like organic, honest music. And we applied pressure only on

ourselves. You know, there's no overlord of a person saying, you got to do this, this, and this. You know, we created our own timelines, our own deadlines and you know we got really lucky with our producer Kyle O'Dell who really understood us and really pushed us you know I got an opportunity to you know work on this album more than I have in the past and it was a welcome challenge you know but if we didn't have the perfect mix-up of situations this wouldn't exist and like he said

Yeah, it's scary, but in a good way, you know, because yeah, who gets a second chance? Who gets the first chance? Yeah, it's hard enough to get a first chance, let alone the second chance. That's a very special time. Yeah, yeah. It says, I think that says a lot. Yeah. You know, because you could not have gotten this chance at all.

You know, like this fan wouldn't even exist. But in fact, it does, it's crazy. Every single one of us in music thinks about quitting. and there's definitely been the times where I thought about, okay, maybe I'm done. You know, I did it all already, you know, seen the world. But then, you know, it's like you know you're not done. And so you're going to try one more time. And, you know, you're going to give it your all.

You know, you got knocked down, you're going to get back up. Yeah. You know, so I guess that type of personality traits, what separates us from the average person who's just trying to, you know, make it. And it's fun. It is fun. It should be fun. The most important thing is that it's fun.

The comeback is always fun, man. Oh, yeah, it's sick. You know? Even in sports, if you're... I think being an underdog is an awesome thing. Or being looked at as the underdog, I think is amazing because it gives you a chance to, you know, show that maybe you're not an underdog. I see us. Or to say, yeah, I'm an underdog.

So what? I don't care. You know, so... I see... I see us in our situation as underdogs. And it's a comfortable position to be in because I'm looking to surprise everybody. You know, you count us out, look what we just did.

You know? Yeah. And whether or not, you know, we reach a level that we're hopefully going to hit, I'm having, you know, a great time putting this together. I love working. I like working hard. You know, and I'm doing it with guys that, you know, understand it and are working just as hard.

It's not harder. You're going to work hard. Yeah. Yeah, we're all excited. And it's, you know, even in a band, it's tough to get everyone in the band excited. That is very true, too. You know, because sometimes a couple of guys are excited, but then there's maybe a couple of guys that usually don't get as excited for things and stuff like that.

So it's cool to have everybody in the band firing on really powerful cylinders, you know. It doesn't happen a lot, so it's, Hopefully something that people will enjoy. I mean, I still listen to the album and enjoy it, which is very rare for me to work on an album and listen to it a year later and still kind of enjoy it. Usually I get tired of my own music quickly. That's cool.

You guys been working on this music for a long time. Diego, I was hanging on with Diego, and he was just telling me, and we're working on this. It was a while ago. You guys were patient, and persistent. Very strategic, very quiet. Yeah, I wrote.

You know, I only told a few people about it. Obviously, you're one of the people that I would trust with it. And it was just like, inevitably people are going to come out with their own notions of what we're going to sound like. And that's one of the things that I'm most excited about is showing people what we sound like. You know, people will be surprised. People will be, you know, like, you guys wrote this.

Wow. You know, like he's saying, you know, I'll go back and listen to the music. And there's a few songs on the album where I listen to it. I literally got chills on my arms. I'm like, wow. I can't believe we created this. And that is so special for any artist to have their own art affect them that way. Yeah. You know, because most of the time we're all completely, you know, we're our own worst enemies. We're all the worst critics. Worst critics, too.

You know, and we think everything we do sucks, you know, but then when you get that one spot where you're like, oh, damn. Yeah. It's special, you know, even if it's just that one moment in time, it's special. It is. So I'm excited. I'm excited, too. You guys, you guys have been working very hard and you guys have definitely earned it, especially with everything you guys have been through. Man, earned.

Very cool. Thank you. It's like a. It feels like a. lot of years have come by for sure especially with the 2020 you know yeah and i'm sure that all bands feel like that right now like whoa time went by yeah because most most musicians are used to just working non-stop you know how it is once once you're in the groove of of touring and putting out albums and in the cycles yeah you pretty much live that you know until either the

band breaks up or something happens or you know people move forward but um but yeah i mean not being able to play a show for the last two years was terrible felt terrible and we haven't played right yeah once last you guys played 2017 17 yeah that's so unfortunate yeah man i was living vicaracy through you baby come up come my help me yeah tell me stories I'm okay baby let me tell you a story take me with you third guitar

but you know what I think as Christian was just saying very very true a lot of people are especially musicians are afraid to make mistakes and the fact that you have that book of lessons

I found that it's very rare for someone a lot of bands and a musician are afraid to like take like those leaves or even learn from from from from from those so the fact you guys had that you have the uh the uh experience now so you know you know what uh what to do and what's important you know what not to do sure you know sure without those failures you're never going to know what to do exactly yeah yeah no the mistakes are the things that make um your character

eventually you know not just the the rewards that you've earned from the decisions you made right but also the circumstances you suffered from making bad decisions. Yeah. And hopefully the older you get, you know, the less and less bad decisions you make. At least that's the way it should be. Yeah. If you're making worse and worse decisions, the older you get, you know, you're either really bad at making decisions or, you know,

there are a lot of people that suffer mental illness and can't even really function, you know. So there's, we're, I feel blessed, dude. You know, the fact that we're here just chatting with you today is a blessing. The fact that I was able to drive like 30 minutes and get here, you know, even though it was like an hour stuck in traffic, but you're really just 30 minutes away. Yeah. We woke up alive and breathing and we get to do what we love still. Yeah, absolutely. After losing so much, after what you guys went through.

I mean, I know how some experience with, you know, things being taken away. The fact we were still here. Yeah. What a blessing, man. Like, damn, we could still do this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a privilege, man. This is and should be treated as a privilege. To be able to pick up an instrument or to pick up a microphone and entertain people with your art, it's a privilege. That's why, you know, when we all know the dudes that take it for granted or are, you know, not great personalities. They take it for granted, you know. wake up every day and treat this as a privilege because it can be taken away from you at any time. Totally.

Yeah, the other day I was actually thinking, you know, there's one great saying is that is unfortunately very brutal, but in the music industry, you're really only as good as the last thing you did. Oh, yeah. 100%. And, you know,

knowing that could really put you in a better thinking place where everything you want to try to do is at least feels good in your heart, you know. The last thing you want to do is wind up being in a situation, which I know the feeling of being in a situation and feeling like you're just not moving forward, making good decisions and things like that. But, you know, it is a blessing, especially after 2020, dude. 2020's been rough on so many people. and I'm musicians especially.

I mean, you know, we got hit hard. Yeah, very. Pretty much they told us there's no work for you guys. Take it easy. Yeah. Yeah. Figure it out, guys. Yeah.

And I give props, you know, to most bands that got through it that were really, really dependent on just constant, consistent touring. Yeah. To be a part of their business. I got to give props to those bands that. got through it. Thankfully, yeah. If your band and got through it, you know, it's huge.

Yeah. Thankfully. You know, and, um, such weird timing for you guys too. Like you lost, like you lost two things and once, you know? Sure.

Like you're trying to like, recover and then you're getting back on your feet and then this, and this happens. But it is a very healthy thing. You know, I think you guys had the right mindset where like, it's, there's something magical about,

it being taken away from you at least once. Sure. And twice, I mean, that's kind of golden. You know, I think a lot of bands struggle that, that weren't us. They struggle that this is their first time ever in their career where they had it, they had it taken away.

And that's probably, it probably seems worse than it is, but like maybe in a band, like, in your position, you were ready for it already emotionally and men say, okay, we could probably, we could get through this year. It's fine. You guys are already ready because you've already been through it like the year prior. Yeah, yeah. It's huge.

You have to be an ultimate optimist to find the silver linings in all the situations. To understand certain things are blessings in disguise. You know, it's a bad, shitty situation. But then you find the silver lining where you're like, if that didn't happen, this wouldn't be happening right now. Yeah. You know, and I try to take that with me in all aspects of life where, You know, like that old saying, one door closes, another one opens. You know, you have to be mindful enough to see those doors opening

and those chances being made for you and take them. You know, like all these bands that made it through, they found ways to make it through. You know, you've got to think real quick on the spot and come up with solutions to problems, you know, whether it was bands starting live streaming, like you guys did your global ticket, you know, or whatever the case is, you know,

Some bands got heavy into self-producing, recording, you know, cutting costs wherever you can. You got to think fast. Create opportunities, you know, because the opportunities are getting few and far between and people are hoarding them. That's true. So are ideas. Yeah. Yeah. It's cutthroat.

You know that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, someone will be your friend or one day to next, you're out if you're not. You're not that ban anymore. Sorry, see you. Yeah. Yeah. Super strange.

But it's great. Like, you see who, like, your friends are. And even people in, like, the industry, you see, like, who really supports you. Absolutely. So there's always, like, a good and bad to you. All that, that really sucks. Super cutthroat. But then you see the feel like, oh, shit.

Like, they, these people suck around. Holy fuck. Absolutely. Yeah. These people make it worthwhile. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, you see the, you see true colors.

Like, you and I are always going to be friends, obviously. Like, you and I always are. We don't even have to be playing guitars ever again. We're going to still remain friends. Yeah. You know, and these situations teach you who's hanging out with you because of who you are and what you are doing or who's hanging out with you because of the person you are. Yeah.

You know, not just because you're the musician in a band. Because, like you said, you're only as good as what you, you know, last released. Very true. Yeah, you're only as good as the last thing you did, you know. Yeah. And in the music industry, it's easy to lose focus, too. You know? You get wrapped up into things. And then you're like four years on the road, 11 months a year.

And then like, you're like, who am I? You know, after like five years of that. You're like, hold on. What's my name again? Yeah, how do you recover from that? Or how do you get refocused? That's a good question. I don't know. For me, it took a ton of time.

I don't know that there's like a, I don't know. I imagine some people that are really strong psychologically have ways of, you know, persevering those kind of challenges. But for me it took a lot of like staying at home, not seeing a lot of people, realizing a lot about myself. Yeah. And just going through personal challenges, really. And life is still, you know, a question as to what, is the great thing to do in life, you know?

So I just try to not be so serious about it, you know? After having a kid, you realize, ah, life is just about having fun. Yeah. Because you see a kid just wanting to have fun all the time, and you just wind up realizing, oh, this is really what life is about. Yeah. Yeah, so you learn not to take life so seriously.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Have some fun. Have some fun with your music. And, oh, yeah, like, this can. be fun again. Right, right. Oh, I'm supposed to enjoy life. Oh.

Oh. Well, I mean, you know, like, when you're out there, all it takes is one person to literally bring the whole morale down. You know, it's one person off or dealing with their own growing pains. It'll bring the whole ship just a big detour. It's super tough. It happens similarly in sports teams as well. You know, it's just that it's kept a lot.

It's kept in private and sports. sports teams. You don't hear like athletes talking about, you know, who was the loose wheel in the, in the team and blah, blah, blah, blah, because I'm not trying to do that. Totally. But, yeah, I mean, for sure, everyone affects everyone. When you're out on the road, when you're in a group situation like we are, whether, you know, you're in a band or in a corporation. I mean, one, somebody's bad day could totally ruin your week. Yeah, if you're that kind of person. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they ruin a record. Totally. And if you ruin a record, you should. just ruined a cycle dog yeah he just fucking ruined three years dude gone oh man and if you ruin the cycle

there goes the promo i know i mean it's like these little it's it's it's amazing trying to get you know three to six uh humans on like the same page it's super tough it is it is so but so what we can do it's It's magic. Yeah, for sure. You know? When it's bad, it's like, this is the worst thing ever. I don't want to play music ever again, but when it's firing all cylinders and is working,

it's so, it's like, wow, it's magic. Yep. Yeah, yeah. That's, I mean, it goes a lot to say for chemistry, you know. Yeah. I mean, in the era of digital music, you would think that, you know, is band chemistry still important?

It totally is, you know? Just how people react to something you're playing in the, the room instantly could, you know, bring you towards a new idea or make you feel like that idea is inadequate, so maybe you give up on it or, you know, you immediately want to search for something else, or you lose faith in the things that you're coming up with. So it's very important, the psychology of, you know, people that are working together and trying to better each other, not necessarily point out flaws, but

you know, really try to help each other create something better, which is kind of like we tried to do in lines at the gate. We tried to find the things that we knew were good and focus on the things that made our

personal taste similar. And I'm just grateful to being a band dude I'll be honest with you there's not a lot of people I get a second chance to do it so I'm grateful yeah

and if people hate the album it's fine I think the album's pretty badass so I'm hopefully you do I'm cool with it because people won't love you there's not people that don't hate it right sure sure that too you need that you want that love and hate it's good for you

yeah sometimes maybe people hates me and sometimes he loves me. I always love you. How you do. They once asked this person that lived to like 110 years old, like how they lived so long.

And apparently their motto at life was keep as many petty grievances as you can because it makes you, it helps you grow older. You know, petty grievances being like, you know, that guy that screwed you over in like 1986.

It's going to be time to get them back eventually. Yeah Man the older you get You learn you just Whatever resentment you have You just got to just forgive And just move on

Let that shit go That would weigh you down man Yeah Which was That's why I was like I can't believe this person really keeps As many petty grievances Interesting

To be 110 years old Yeah If you Man you can't imagine reaching a hundred Imagine only angry people Got to live that old What that?

That'll be like What a mind of that would be? Only really angry people got to live that old. I don't even think I want to live that old. Do you really want to be 100? I'm down. I'm down. I'm down for 100.

I get so tired of people. 100. Okay, maybe I'm down for 90 to 100. Yeah, man. Let's just turn off the televisions then. I'll grow old with all of you guys, you know, with my family and our pets and stuff. because the outside and all the stuff that we're fed is just the stuff that makes us all unhappy.

Yeah. You know, turn out the televisions. Let's all be... That's true. That's a good way to think about it. Because community really is fine when it's people. Yeah. But community conditioned and role played on,

you know, that's when you get like sketchy things going on. But, yeah, I don't know. I don't have the answers. Don't even... Yeah. This is not financial advice, nothing like that over here. That's what I'm telling you.

Yeah. I'm an idiot. I'm probably saying just want stuff. But I'm still an idiot. You know? But hey, it's how we learn, man. You just try to use big words, that's all. You don't want life advice from me.

My mistake book is long. Yeah. How about this? I was tell you everything I did it wrong and then just don't do that. Just don't... You know, experience, though. Experience, I think, if you do give advice,

that's probably the best. you know, you offer some, hey, I did this, didn't work, take it as you will. You know? I did these so many things, so many mistakes. And also, you know, a good thing for me was listening to the other guy's wisdom in the band, like Diego's wisdom. Yeah.

You know, like sometimes you've got to listen to someone else's wisdom to be like, you're right. What was I thinking about it the wrong way the whole time, you know? So it's, it's something that definitely, the older you get, you could get trapped in your own ways and the way you think about things, but if you stay an open-minded person as you grow older, it could be a really cool experience, you know.

Because you learn a lot in your older years. When you're young, at least when I was young, you know, I was ignorant, jaded by things and, you know, not really living life enjoying it the way I should have. I was just focused on other stupid things that younger people usually are. but you know I'd like to think that I'm going old

and enjoying life more as I get along man at least trying to even when the challenges get tough there's always somebody else that definitely is having it way worse than you 100% and 2020 definitely made a lot of people realize that like yeah it's tough on me but

imagine what people having to live on the street are having to go through right now yeah no matter how hard you're life is you're living someone else's dream life. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good saying right there. Damn. You're right, DeGla has the wisdom. No wisdom. No wisdom.

Baby wisdom. Baby wisdom. That's that innocent wisdom, baby wisdom. Oh, man. It's unconditioned wisdom, baby wisdom. Beautiful. Beautiful. I think about all that all the time. Like, man, I got like water. I order pizza. I just all these things like, this is like, this is like, super blessed i have i have all these things you know pizza's like high on the totem pole of things that are important for sure

yeah oh yeah pizza's pretty up there especially domino's pizza it's pretty up there is it good again what is domino's good again the fuck you're talking about it's always been good it's been it's been i remember for a while it's pretty shot when i don't know back in the 90s oh yeah what they uh they changed the crust yeah do i I remember when they did that. That was like 2010. All right. What's your favorite pizza spot? Dominoes.

Dominoes, okay. Yeah. I don't know what it is. I'm more of a roundtable guy. Down the street, we could probably go a day. Oh, we should do a round table. Are we down? Let's go? Oh, I've gone around table. Yeah, they got one down the street. I mean, it's literally right off the freeway. I'm in, dude, I'm spoiled. I got round table down a street.

Have you been to Thomas Farms? No. Tom's Farms? It's a, I mean, you should take your fam there, but it's a nice outdoor area. Their pizza's phenomenal. It's really cool. Like on the way to Elsinor? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a little cool, cool, cool little spot. On 15? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. When my grandparents were alive, they lived in Menifee. Nice. And I have to go on the weekends to visit them.

And I remember passing Tom's Farms all the time. Dude, you guys. You go back in the day. When it was like an outpost and you'd go get like the dried fruit and nuts and stuff. Remember that? Yeah, so good. Now it's all big and modern. I haven't been there probably 15, 20 years.

Dude, he got this fudge shot, but you're so fudge. I just take it and slap myself in the face with and I eat it. It's so good, man. This is, man, you guys make your own fudge. Holy crap. The little things. Little stuff. I mean, man, we're already here, already lucky enough to live in California.

mindsful and enjoy these these little things like the little shit your favorite beer spot your favorite your favorite pizza your favorite I say pizza a lot huh it's fucked it's okay well we're I definitely agree we're lucky

to live in California but the people living in inner LA right now are really going through because the inner cities man it's tough they're tough in Cali for sure but California is a big state so just a lot of space you know a lot of places outside of the big cities.

So that's what I would recommend to anyone moving here. Just stay on the outskirts. Totally. During past year, I'm like, damn, you're in LA. The people in LA must have had it terrible during 2020. Oh, man. I mean, I imagine, or even in New York, people that lived in apartment buildings that really didn't even come out of their apartments, man, you know.

But you're absolutely right. at least I feel blessed to be living in California half out of the city kind of you know and the San Diego area is beautiful I don't know if you're into San Diego Oh we love San Diego we always go to Old Town Oh San Diego is so awesome dude beautiful It's like the last

Diamond in the Ruff of California Yeah hopefully it won't change it'll stay the way it is Great vibe there, super laid back and chill Old Town's great Carnado which Yeah totally It's awesome

Totally I love it there Yeah for as many people that I know They're moving out of California And I totally understand it You know Yeah yeah I just I would have a hard time leaving here You know

Everything's here You know Born and raised here I get it I have you know friends recently moved To you know Texas And usually that's where all California as they're going, it's Texas, Arizona, you know, now Idaho is turning into the hot spot to go to if you're a Californian.

You know, but I would just have such a hard time leaving this place because it's just, it's my home, everything I know is here. But it's just so, like, beautiful. It's like my girl asking me, it's like, why is California so expensive? We literally have everything here. You know, you want to go to the beach, then we can drive the mountains, you know, surfing, skiing the same day, you know. It's the weather, the weather, man. I lived in New York. It comes down to just the weather being great all the time.

You know? When you could have, like, an outdoor life every day, every year, every day of the year, you know, that's a pretty good advantage. You know, a lot of people where it gets cold or it gets rainy a lot, they're stuck inside a lot. And I'm pretty much an outdoor person, man. I love being outside, going to the beach, going to the park. It's a flip-flops state, man You see people 365 days out of your Flip-flops

Sure, yeah, that too Some people with socks on, which is really weird You wear socks? But I get it though, you know I mean, sometimes you wake up, you have socks on and you just put your flip-flops on It happens Yeah, if you're here

Sox and Flops They'll inspire some innovation, you know Right? Fliplop's out already here. have socks. Oh no. Sometimes the future is good, sometimes it's bad. You guys have been

in the music industry for a while. Where do you guys see it going now? I don't know. It always feels unpredictable. The one thing that at least I feel has remained constant is that heavy music has become more and more accepted

little by little. Maybe I shouldn't use the term heavy music but extreme heavy music has become more accepted little by little. As far as what the trends are, I don't know. Like how the trends go or what the next cool thing might be.

I have no idea. But I do know that the bands that become those next cool things are usually just trying to do something that they really like on their own. They're just trying to make themselves happy with music. But as far as the industry, it's a great question where it's moving, how streaming is affecting the music industry. What would that take the business of the industry?

How will the creative process be affected by that? And also the advent of technology, where technology is moving music is another great question. or another great philosophical thought of what is it going to do? Are we growing into a digital atmosphere where we're comfortable with that and there will never be an analog rebellion or something like that? You know, people just like analog zombies coming out of the houses and just like, no, destroy all digital things. We want tape machines back again.

Yeah. So I don't know. It's a great question. What do you think? I have no idea. Don't ask me. Yeah, yeah. I don't have answers.

You know what? For me, I guess, I guess I don't have answers, but I guess I think things through for more of like a business aspect sometimes where, you know, you have to innovate or die. you know and you know we always hear the same you know argument like streaming's killing the industry streaming's killing the industry i don't know a single musician that does not have spotify or album music on their phone i know you know let's just move away from that argument already let's figure out something else that we can do to continue to do what we love to do and i think that it's uh everything's cyclical and if you go to a show where the musicians are on point and everyone's in that synergistic moment,

that good show, you know, it's a memory for the rest of your life. You know, I saw before the pandemic, I saw High Lung. You know, it's like this Viking music, Viking folk music, and it was amazing. Like, it was emotional. And it's a great memory. So I think we need to go back and focus on what we're actually doing.

Stop complaining and come up with something together that we can do to continue doing these things that we love to do. You know, because it's only getting harder. You know, if, again, we keep touching on the pandemic thing, it's going to make things much harder. You know, we don't really know what it's like to go to Europe yet. You know, we have Brexit. Is it going to be easy to get in and out of the UK with our gear? You know, do we need carnays for everything? thing. Do we begin in the UK or end the UK? All these things we're going to figure out soon enough.

You know, so I think we all need to become a little more innovative to figure out what the hell it is we're going to do to continue on doing what we're doing. And we have to accept that it's going to take a lot of work. You know, a lot of musicians are aloof and like to have a good time. But at the end of the day, if it's serious, you take it as a job. It's a fun job. Yeah. But you have to. to be serious about your craft and treat it as a business as well as your art. Yeah, I learned that the hard way he can't be totally aloof. Oh, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, it is. But it is.

But then when you act ignorant, like, like I did, that's a big mistake. If the music sucks, it's not going anywhere. Yeah. You know, that's always going to be the most important. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You got to have, you got to wear multiple hats. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's a great way of explaining, of describing it. Yeah. You have to learn how to wear multiple hats, even if you don't want to. Yeah, 100%.

Take responsibility. Totally. Yeah. Most people that just usually wind up saying, oh, well, I'm just going to wear the creative hat and somebody else worry about that. They usually wind up and really screwed over situations, you know. Yeah. Unfortunately, that's a little bit too true. It is.

Be aware. Because if not, you'll learn the hard way. Yeah. You don't want to be like, because that's going to fall on your face. I'm like, oh, okay, wait, maybe I won't do it out again. Yeah. I got to actually pay attention and look at the numbers. And so much, it's this.

And when you get into, like, the little details of it, it's like, there's so much little stuff. Like, if you get a call from, like, like, a manager, like, oh, I mean, it's like, oh, there's so many little details that you need to make a, like, the decision right then there. Yeah. On the little things, you've got to pay attention to you. Like, wow. It's been a whole learning experience, you know? For sure. I mean, I, at the beginning of my career, I remember just wanting to be blind to it.

Just like wanting to despise, you know, what it was the non-creative element of music. Because in my mind, I was like, no, it's just about music. you know and then you do wind up realizing that if you're not business savvy you're only going to wind up getting screwed over in the end that's for sure the musicians that are amazing creative songwriters unique songwriters that have some type of business savvy to them they're usually really successful um you know but when you're young and playing music you just want to you just want to do exactly that you're just like

nah the music just this no no no I don't want to hear about none of this business nonsense it's kind of punk rock to think that way but then you realize that it's you know wasn't too keen yeah

yeah it wasn't optimal no no and then when you don't watch the money you start losing money you know oh I should buy that oh yeah sure buy it

yeah oh shit is so much dumb shit. And in the theater circuit, you know, anything could affect the money easily. And, uh, you know, you know, if your guarantees are half a million dollars and they tell you, well, you know, that guarantee is going to take a $25,000, $50,000 loss, you might be alright. But at the theater level or at the, uh, you know, large club level, um, that could ruin a tour, you know, like a couple things going wrong. Oh, yeah. A couple unexpected things popping up that you weren't expecting to.

That could really ruin a tour. Ruin people's paychecks that will ruin your home life too. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because then you're not happy out on tour. You make a mistake, then you tend to bring it home. Oh, sure. And on tour, those mistakes are really expensive mistakes. There's never a cheap one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, 1,000 and thousand, something, like whatever. Yeah. you show up to the airport with too many bags simple one right there yeah yeah and there's always you show up to the airport thinking that you're allowed one bag per person in for free but no no bags of person in for free yeah it's always so different sometimes you get someone really really cool and they'll just want to help you out they'll they'll wave like crazy stuff they'll like wave all the back fees between the other person is

everything's by the book and then you and then you're like all right you know you see like the $3,000 check you're like it just depends who you get and then then we want to fly it back you get paid again or sometimes some tours you'll pay the big check in the front and in the back it's free you get all like it's weird just

just never but you got but you got to plan for both yeah that's a great way to think about it plan for both yeah plan for the all the messed up things that going to happen. Yeah. You just hope they don't.

You need a certain part of your budget for incidentals. Yeah. You don't know if something's going to happen. You know, so you want a certain percentage to be put aside for an oh shit day, you know. Oh, my head broke. I need a new one. Need to get it fixed. Yeah.

Well, you knew one like today. Yeah. Yeah. I remember sometime we were in Europe and we got to the airport late because somebody didn't get out of their hotel room soon enough. So we got to the airport late The whole band everybody missed flights everything Money thrown in the garbage

Those flights non-refundable All that It was like a crew of like 11 people Just because one person didn't make it To the airport shuttle on time And we had to wait and wait and wait I remember that day I was like Man is it even fair being out here

Like dude They're gonna charge us for all this And it wasn't even I had nothing even to do with it. You know, it's rough. We part of your name names. No, no, no. Just somebody.

It was D.E. It definitely wasn't me, man. I'm on time all the time. If I'm not early, I'm late. The funny thing is, like, on tours, like Soundwave, have you guys, you guys did Soundwave, right? Very lucky. On tours, like, Soundwave, if you show

up late to that airport shuttle, the airport shuttle's leaving. Yeah. They're not waiting for you. You're not holding up the festival going to the next city. You could hold up your band, but the festival's leaving. Good luck. Find your way. Yeah.

And it's Australia like you've got to get up with those random times. Oh, totally shot, like 12 hours. Like, is it day or night right now? I got to give a fucking 3 a.m. to make the flight to play to let a show that day or something weird. And some people are cranky, some people were stoked. Great tour. Great. Fun tour.

Yeah, yeah. It's just the time change is... Yeah. I mean, we're 23 hours, about 22 hours behind. We show up there a day ahead, and you're expected to jump on a plane at 3 in the morning, and you're like, what the hell is going on? Yeah.

You know, but that's probably one of the funnest tours to do. Yeah, yeah. The exhilaration keeps you going on a tour like that, for sure. It does. All the bands are traveling together. Yeah. So you're like, you know, bumping elbows with all these legends or your best friends and all that stuff,

and you know and they're making it on time to the shuttle so what are you going to be a prima donna totally so shit I mean

Allison changed and I'm playing aiming at time like right I am going to show up 10 minutes early everywhere now right

you know it's fucking if they if they can do it I'm a fucking nobody dude I better be on time yeah

yeah for sure you know I agree I agree it's crazy to rubble elbows with them huh

yeah it's I mean it's You know, it's cool now because I'm, I'm looking at the call you guys, my friends, but it's just so weird, like, hanging out with you guys, you know, because I'm, I'm, it's crazy, Diego. I mean, we're, we're, we're friends. Yeah.

I listen to you guys in my spare time, and now you, now we're doing a podcast together. It's crazy. That's awesome. Vice versa. I'm, I'm blessed to be here, brother. Man. It's like, man, I'm talking, I'm talking to babies. Sick.

Man. Does the podcast know you call us baby? No. Okay. Okay. You want to explain? You know you. Okay, so, uh, what, was it the Mayhem tour? Yeah. I always, I think I always said, what, what's up, baby?

Yeah. Yeah, baby? Yeah, baby. My first tour ever hanging out, I guess I don't know what the hell to say. I guess I guess I always call these guys babies. Yeah, it's funny. It's funny. Our, uh, and now it's just stuck.

Our friend, and now he's the drummer for Machine Head, Matt Alston. He used to call his baby too. Baby, baby. Yeah. He's English, that English accent. Hello, baby. So only you and him call us babies.

Appreciate that. I want the baby potion. I want to go back to being a baby if I could, but I want to keep the knowledge. I want to keep the knowledge of what I know. The older you get, the more experience to get. And that's, it's there is a price to pay.

Yeah. I just fucking look at that pizza gain 25 pounds dude shut up I mean well sometimes it goes to your muscles sometimes yeah you're all muscle but you have to do a lot of it because you're up because we eat more of it then it turns on the fat burning hormones you're 140 pounds of muscle

I appreciate that I appreciate that pizza muscle yeah man dude we're probably not pizza later crush it oh this can be sick should we get a large yeah we're going to large is there any other sizes Lawrence Per, right?

Yeah, is there a small one? They didn't know a small pizza, dude. It's for beginners. It's for babies. But you know what? Since we're on the subject, every so often I had to like, I sit back and like, man, I like, I know those guys. It's cool that I could like just hang out with you guys. It's such an honor, man.

Likewise. It's cool. Yeah. Dude, thank you. I feel blessed being here. Yeah. You ever forget who? You're our first real interview with this.

thing I guess we're doing with the band. Really? Yeah, you're the first one. I feel even silly being like, we're in a band. You know, because it's, I was, we were in a band for so long. Yeah. We're in a band all over again. This is the first Lions at the Gate interview. Wow. Well, I feel, I feel honored.

I'm glad it's with you. It's a, it's a trip to do that. Wow. The first one. Yeah. As, as, as a Christian was saying earlier, it's, it's so true. like the beginnings of something tend to be the funnest yeah when you're just first starting from nada zero yeah that's like that there's you can only do once and it's it's it's the funest happiest time it's all it's all innocent it's just just going it's exhilarating it is you know and you're you're worried about making those mistakes it's true too you know yeah yeah yeah but but now you guys

have a back pocket full of like a thing to learn from, okay, we can read a book, okay, don't do that. We've got the black book. I'm gonna call it for now with a black book. So many. What decision was made last time on that? Why don't you look at see how that worked out?

Keyword, yeah, book. It's a book work of things that you learned and mistakes. It's a bookwork, dude. Sure, sure, for sure. I mean, being a musician and being in the touring industry is that, you know, piling up the good decisions and the bad decisions and trying to memorize them all.

Yeah. And hoping that they'll line up again when you make those same decisions again. Yeah. Or don't make those decisions, you know. Or getting rid of the unimportant decisions. It doesn't matter. Yeah.

You know. Like that's one of the things we, I think every band struggles with is the minutia. Oh, man, that picture. Oh, my God. I don't like that shade of blue. you know is that shade of blue gonna create more streams more revenue

no you know does it look cool yeah it looks cool just go with it yeah you learn times like that when we're so like we're looking at something so much

listening something you gotta step back for like a day and go back to what was it shipping about that sounds great that looks phenomenal change the guitar tone I don't like it yeah oh no go back to that guitar tone it's really good actually

yeah then you go back to it oh yeah Yeah, so you got you got to step back, but you learn with age and like okay wait Chill up a little bit go outside yeah yeah yeah, yeah or don't listen to it for a couple days and then see what you come up with yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah that's fucking sick yeah looks awesome So it's even now like being like conscious of it when just look inside something like it sucks yeah Yeah, it sucks we had that in one of our songs and myself and we're arguing myself and were having differences of opinion on a song it was a a bridge yeah and then like I said we aren't getting angry but I think we're starting to get a little annoyed with each other

of course and I was like you know what let's just go let's go let's go eat we're done we're done for today and we went and I think it was oh we had like a joint birthday party for uh Stephen and a Roo because they both have the birthdays around the same time sick and yeah we had uh probably pizza. Oh no, it was it was cassadillas. My neighbor got the cassadilla lady and had a few beers and then we came back and we figured out the bridge

like in minutes. I'm like, there we go. There we go. It was the cassadilla. It was the cassadillas. That riff was totally a cassadilla rift. It's a cassadia riff. Cazadea breakdown. Damn, it sounds heavy, dude. That's sick.

That's sick, man. Well, I don't want to keep too much of guys is time. Blessed to be here, brother. I'm blessed you guys are here. I'm honored to be a part of the first conversation slash interview to this new journey that you guys are about to embark on. Thank you.

It's cool. And I think. I'm excited. I'm excited, man. Yeah, I'm so glad you asked me to do it. And I was like, oh, let's get Christian involved too. Yeah. You know?

I was like, oh, shit, really? I would have been jealous if I only saw Diego on your show. I would have been like Diego. You don't love me. You don't love me. Of course I asked them. I asked them right away. You're like, hey, did it buy me.

And me and Chris do it. And you're like, yeah. Is when we went to the broken yoke. Oh, yeah. A lot of cool things happen there. Yeah. Is that a bar? What is a diner?

Diner. Oh, okay. We're having healthy eggs and coffee, black coffee. I'm talking. It's like, oh, really? I've seen that logo. the broken yoke it's like a sun but it's an egg that's broken and then the shine

of the sun is on the sea but it's a broken yoke I've seen that logo well that's where we went and we planned for you to be here it's a magical place dude it's sick if you're ever in the area you gotta go there it's sick as fuck remember the uh what was the waitress saying

oh you had on a corn shirt yeah she's like oh your shirt's so cool and I was like yeah you like that band just like oh yeah my boyfriend and I really like that band Like, you should listen to a band called Suicide Silence. They're awesome. She's like, oh, yeah? You're like, yeah, you should.

I was like, what are you doing? We're having a great practice and they have to bring it. Gosh. She didn't even recognize. Yeah. She's like, oh, okay, I'm going to go home and listen to it. I'm like, yeah, you should. Google it.

Google image search them, too. And you're like, no, no. Don't. They suck. But you know what? Sometimes, sometimes you gotta do it though you say hey check out this this band you're still your own promoter you are can't forget that no you know no no bands too to to big for that your band lives and

dies with you yeah it's true yeah matter how big your band is there's someone that doesn't know yeah about you you know and that's uh and that's aspiring too like the work's never done you know and Yeah. You know, it's never always going. And that will inspire new rifts, new songs, a new creative outlook. Yeah, the moment you think you made it, somebody passed you up. Totally. The moment you finish your album, somebody else is already writing the next album.

That's going to be better than the one you just put out, so you better get back to work. Yep. Yeah. You're right. One of the biggest mistakes I made in my career was being complacent. One of the biggest mistakes. Yeah, same. We're fine. We're done. It's just great.

Yeah, same. Same. Same. Same. Same. I feel the same. I think a lot of musicians probably go through that. You know, you have a good run, and then you're like, I guess we're fine. You know, kind of like you're saying, being complacent with some things. And then you learn with time that being complacent doesn't usually, unless if something is an amazing idea and worked itself out really quick and everybody's really excited. and everybody's really excited about it. Yeah.

Sometimes you've got to dig a little harder. It's okay to do so, or work with different people. It just changed the chemistry. Yeah. Yeah, you're right during those times. You've got to do some digging. Yeah.

Digging, dude. You get uncomfortable. Yeah. We get naturally comfortable by being uncomfortable. We're like, you know, when we're uncomfortable, like you find comfort in that strange yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm kind of scared oh is this good this is a good thing yeah should be nervous you should be nervous you're not nervous

since something's messed up yep you know even this I was nervous it's like right I write right right before a podcast I'm oh man oh dude they're doing they're coming oh my gosh we were late and why okay tell me this why did I already know that I already knew Diego was going to be late that's not true I'm always on time okay I'm always late, man. But, you know, having a kid, you got to... Sometimes you run a little late. For those who don't know, the 91 freeway is garbage.

Oh, my God, they were shooting people on the 91, dude. Did you hear about that? Today? Not today, but, like, the last couple of months, like, some dude with a BB gun on the 91 shooting people. Oh, great. Apparently, like, kids got shot and back seats and stuff. Yeah, people were getting weird out there.

That's why we need some stronger windshields. yeah to also hide your shame when you're eating pizza in your car I mean that's the most important reason I don't want no one to see me limelotent oh yeah

pizza fiends man all right well we'll where can people find the band where can people find you guys so the easiest thing is going to be the social is it's lines at the gate our website's lATG official dot com

and you can find find all of us on Instagram, Facebook, and we're really lucky that as soon as we started dropping the teasers, the fans remembered us, woke up, and this is crazy. Like they started their own fan pages already. They've heard 30 seconds of a song, and they've started fan pages. So yeah, just lions at the gate on all socials. LATG official.com and we'll see where it goes from there.

It's out there now. June 4th. June 4th. Yeah, it'll be up June 4th. Cool. By the time all you listen or if you're watching and listen right now, it's out right now. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's out Monday. It's out. Garza got a preview a while ago, so he already knows. Yeah, I heard the record. It's awesome. Thank you. It's sick. Coming from you, it's, I feel extremely lucky to hear that from you.

Wow. Because you're a badass musician, so, you know, in my book to hear that from the Garza. Like, your album's sick. Guitars, that's amazing. Wow. No, it's great. Guitars, I like that.

Proud of you guys. Thank you. Especially knowing, like, the back source. And that's my favorite thing when, like, when something happens, then you may cover and put out music, that's my favorite thing to see. The healing process. Love that. This is a big healing process.

Yeah. For sure, it's a big process. A big. We needed this album. Yes. You know. And even if nobody likes it, the fact that you like it, the fact that my family and friends like it, I'm happy already. Yeah.

The reaction from the fans have been amazing so far. Yeah. The most exciting thing is knowing that the rest of the song is really awesome. And nobody's really heard it. And they're excited about small pieces of it. It's just, I'm really just, I can't keep saying it over and over. I feel lucky to even get a chance to do this again. Yeah.

It's so cool, huh? It is. It is. It is. It is. It's a rare special time that you guys get to do it again. Yeah. What a privilege.

It's cool. Shout out to Vicente. Vicente. Great. We filmed our first video, industrial films. Video looks awesome. Thank you. Thank you.

The video is awesome. It sounds great. Production's big. Love it. Yeah. Big tunes, big riffs. Big production. Big babies.

Oh, big babies. Big and big sexy babies. Yeah. Cool. Well, what about personals? Personal, uh, personal IGs? Um, Christian Machado. I'm at the real Christian, I think the real Christian Machado on IG.

Cool. I just found you. I was always, you that Christian has an IG. I gotta follow him. I follow you on there. I follow you on there. I love all the stuff that you post, dude. Dang.

Damn, we're like friends. We are. We're in real life. We're like homies. Dude, it's sick. R underscore Diego Reducco's mine. It's easy. We're friends.

We're friends, huh? Are we? Okay. I watch your IG Live. Oh, damn, baby. I'd be catching your stories, dog. Are you catching your stories? Wow.

What a live. Sometimes, man, life's just, it's surreal. Yeah, man. Bless to be able to do this. And people that look up, too, are just like, follow me. Because, you know, I mean, I'm always going to be that, you ever feel like, I'm still like that loser high school kid, you know?

Yeah, I do. The underdog feeling still with you a little bit. Oh, me, yeah. I'm super like, I always go back to him. I'm still like a loser. Yeah. I still feel like a loser. We all were losers.

We're still losers. But it's cool, man. I relate with that underdog feeling for sure. Yeah. It's a comfortable feeling. It is now. Yeah, it's great. And it's cool to feel that and then get comfortable in it.

It's very cool. Yeah. Yeah. Well, cool. We'll, uh, songs out in two days. We'll hear it listen. It's out now. So excited for you guys. Cool. Thank you.

If you hate the song, just ignore this interview. We're at the end of the movie. And two, apart future. Well, thank you. Cheers, guys. Yeah. Yeah. Baby.

Cheers. Cheers. All right, everyone, thank you. Until next time. Later.