Garza Podcast - 173 - EXTERMINATION DISMEMBERMENT: Slam Rules, Chug Riffs, Belarus & Planet Fitness

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

Garza sits down in-person with Vladislav Martirosov & Arseniy Kovalchuk from Belarus slam band Extermination Dismemberment. https://linktr.ee/edismembermentSPONSORS: Garza Podcast Coffee https://garzapodcastcoffee.comCHAPTERS:00:00 - Band Name Origin04:03 - Learning English06:05 - Belarus07:13 - Choosing Longest Band Name11:03 - Butcher For Artwork14:51 - Location For Music Video19:23 - Mormons20:52 - American Culture21:24 - How Band Met26:30 - Problem w/ Finding Vocalists28:12 - 1st Belarusian Band Touring America29:10 - Bands from Belarus30:44 - Visa Rejected31:54 - Touring in RVs34:27 - Love What You Do36:20 - Red Beton Project40:40 - Kemper & AMT P1 Pedal43:44 - B.C. Rich Shredzilla45:56 - Riff: Slaughterer Chainsaw47:49 - Riff: Slide Pinch Harmonics51:49 - Rules of Making Slam 54:55 - Deathcore Needs Diversity58:52 - Mixing & Mastering Own Music59:57 - Corpsepit1:02:56 - Planet Fitness1:07:15 - Groaning While Working Out1:09:11 - Back Pain Routines1:13:50 - Checking Ego1:16:47 - Bringing Back Crazy Artwork1:19:50 - Achieving Success & Happiness

Well, thank you guys for being here, man. Are we already rolling? Good question. Jay? Are we chugging? Let's go. Are we chugging? How was that driving? I'm sorry.

Drive here was all right. It took us all night to get here, but we were glad to do that. We took turns driving. I took turns sleeping. I'm the merge guy, so I'm relieved from driving. So, yeah. Oh, it's full on. Yeah, yeah.

We did not hire anyone for this tour, like not driver not a merger guy we do everything ourselves so but hey it's the best job in the world yeah love doing it beautiful uh can we get a quick uh intro with with the names because i don't want to butcher uh your name yeah yeah my name yeah my name ars yes ars seni but this is hard name for english people yes yes yes and um i don't know i think about larz maybe but um every time when i say ars People ask what what what yeah, yeah but this is true this is my name Ars I love it Yeah, my name is Vlad like a full name Vladislav yeah, like Dracula

Vlad is it, is that Dracula's name Vlad yeah I don't know that oh well there you go I learned some new today oh wow okay well um okay who's idea was it for the band It's like, okay, let's just create like the longest banning possible. Is that? Yeah, Vlad de impaler. That's correct. So wait, wait, actually real quick, so this is... This is a real guy, real historic figure.

He impaled a lot of people. No. No. Well, if you, I'm sure you know Dracula, right? Yes. Well, he was created after this guy because he impaled a bunch of folks and I guess. Impaled? Yeah, on wooden sticks.

So that's how he hung out, I guess, and the Dracula is created after him, as far as I'm aware. So Vlad, the impaler. Was it actually... That's me. Okay, so was it the type of impaling where this episode is going to get to montize real quick? If... Were they... They would sit someone on like a...

Exactly. It's that one. Oh, that's such a brutal way to go. Yeah, there it is. Nice little picture I think we could show that Yeah I mean it's

Yeah that's cool Well it fits your band name too Extermination Dismemberment Yeah That's cool Well it may sound It may sound ridiculous

But there's actually There was actually a thought process behind it And Arseni can Tell about it Because he was the one Who came up with it Okay Yeah

I need I was need Too long heavy word and when I use my translator from English

and really my English quite bad but I understand what you say I understand what people say me and sometimes I have problem with answer but it's okay and this is

interesting fact because I play my music in USA time number four yes but and I have problem with English Perfect English in our vocalist And he will be Helping me with translate, okay, sometime Oh yeah, sure. I think your English is very well

I try, I try It's not terrible Because terrible is you would speak and I would have no idea What has happened, but But I was curious how How you guys Learned how to speak English Well, I was lucky

I have to say thanks to my parents because they just took me to English lessons since I was five. Since five, okay. Since five, so, I mean, it's not really my... I cannot take credit for it, I guess. I just was dragged to those classes,

English classes from... Dragged. I mean, I loved it. We had a cool teacher, so having a cool teacher always helps. Oh, it's massive. It's massive, absolutely. So, yeah, I'm...

I can say that for me it was hard because I started since childhood thanks to my parents. So shout out to them, I guess. Was there a reason why they took you to learn? English. I mean, our native language is not English, but we are obviously aware that English is the main language of our planet. So we just learn English, yeah. I tried learning German as well, but I don't know. I couldn't do it.

No? No. No. I don't know. When we started touring Europe, we realized that everyone speaks English there as well. So yeah, you don't really need German. Which one was harder? Learning German or a...

For me, German was a little harder, to be honest. I don't know. It didn't make much sense to me. So as what I remember in German, the world girl, Methen, is, is not her, is not she, it's it. Das Methen. So, figure it out, I guess. Interesting. Yeah.

Girl is matchin. Yeah. So they have this like, I don't remember, D. So if it was she, it would be D met him. But it's Das Methen. So it's like it. So I don't know. That's just one of the examples.

And I guess for some people, some languages are just easier to learn. So for me, English was kind of easy. And the country that your ban is from, sorry if I don't pronounce it right, but it's Belarus. Belarus, yeah. Okay, cool. Which if you don't know on the map, you're basically, the country is connected to Russia and the Ukraine, correct? That's correct. Okay.

And we are between Poland and Russia as well. So we are the very east of Europe. We are sometimes referred to as the heart of Europe. Oh, is that the heart of Europe? I mean, we are not in European Union, you know, but we are like right in the middle, so we are kind of, kind of the heart of Europe, yeah. Oh, cool. Yeah.

Also, our country has many lakes. Oh, sure, you're right. You're kind of in the middle. Okay. Our country has many lakes. That's why it's always called, often called blue-eyed. Oh, so there's a lot of lakes there? Yeah, yeah, we have a lot of lakes.

Okay. It's actually quite beautiful. Oh, wow. Yeah, I was looking at photos, man. It looks like a really nice... It is. It is nice. We have long winters, yes, as all countries in Eastern Europe do.

But when the weather is good, it's beautiful. Nice. Absolutely. Cool. So just to wrap up the band name, so did you have words in your mind that it means of your language and then you put them through an English translator? And really, I don't... Think about this words.

Just when I use my translator, I see two long, hard words. And I see extermination. And the next time I see dismemberment. Okay, let's go. Let's go. Okay, so you were purposely looking for two longer words, visually. Visually. You want two long words.

Yes, visually and hard for, um, uh, for hearing. For hearing, yes. It's, uh, and our logo type, hard for eye. Yeah, hard for reading. Yes, hard for reading. All hard. We love it. Oh, we're hard all around.

Okay. There's also another thing, if Arsena doesn't mind me speaking about it, he told that to me in Russian, I can maybe talk it a bit, depth in English. So please yeah. These two words, they represent slam the way we see it. So it's something it's something global and massive extermination and combined with something local and horrible dismemberment. So something that destroys the whole world combined with something that goes on in the basement, you know, because this is how we see slam. Sometimes we go epic, sometimes we go a lot, but sometimes we crawl into the basement and see the butcher, you know.

Yeah. So this is how those two words got combined. All his ideas, by the way. I'm just telling the story. Yeah, interesting. Because the band started in 2009, right? Yeah. Cool.

We were 16. 16. Yeah. Slamming. You guys are kind of, I think you might be the first band where I was like, I can't watch, I can't look at your artwork. Oh, really? I can't look at, there's also a video. I was like, okay, I'm just looking at it to the corner of my eye.

Oh, come on. I was like, oh, it looks fucking... Well, that was our goal for sure to shock some people. Of course it got... It got shadow banned on YouTube immediately. I would imagine so. Yeah, so we didn't get a lot of views. But hey, we make art not for the views.

We just make art for the sake of art for ourselves. Our official videos are not on our channel, yeah, but you can find them easily. Nice, yeah. They are on the channel of Unique Leader Records, the label we are currently on. Oh, cool. Go back, Jay? This is the one that we're talking about is lower, lower. Probably the latest one, yeah. Okay, so I'm not, don't play it, but.

Oh, fuck. Okay. Yeah, yes. So by the way, this, what you're hearing right now is the remake of, the very first album that came out back in 2010. Yeah, I was going to ask, do you guys have, would you say you had three records or four records? Well, we have three records and the fourth one is the remake of the first one. But it's completely remade, redone, re-recorded, so it's basically a new record.

Yeah, cool. Yeah, this song, dude, Slaughter or Chainsaw. My goodness, too. Yeah, you might get demonetized from that real quick. I think at this point we're just committed. Oh, yeah, let's go. So we're just, yeah, let's go for long. So, so you found, okay, so speaking since we're already on the subject,

so the butcher that's on the artwork is actually a real person, right? Yeah, that's correct. And were you just, were you guys just out grocery shopping and then, and then you found somebody, correct? You're absolutely right. You're just on the spot. Yes, I was actually going out shopping and I saw this guy. He's selling like a glass jar. like some tape and stuff yeah so yeah he is actually a guy who sells stuff in the

market market street market you know in my in my town what do he look like he looked exactly like the one we were looking for exactly like the guy we were looking for because we we had a vision we needed a guy like that and you know guys like that hard to find you know he's he is he is very cool looking you know and I did not know him obviously I approached him with respect I said hello sir do you mind I we we are looking for a person just like you who looks just like you for a video clip maybe this is something you would be interested in you know very respectfully of course you want to be a butcher would you like to be a butcher

yeah so I asked if I could take a picture of him a photo to send the other guys. How does that conversation happen? Wow. I mean, you know, the dude looks exactly like what we need, you know, and he acts exactly like what we need. For example, when we... It's scary looking, man. When we filmed him, everything, almost everything was done with one take, one or two takes.

Because he needs no direction at all. We just tell him, for example, we need, all right, we need you to turn around in this. scene, right? And the way he does it, he does it perfectly. He does not need to act. You know, he already acts like what we need perfectly. And he's not, and since you approach them,

you approach this random guy, he's not an actor. But he's not an actor, yeah. But it's one of those rare cases that actually not knowing how to do it would actually benefit. I agree. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, just act like what we like, just act like a butcher.

Yeah. Crush it up. And I mean, we don't ask much. We don't ask any acting at all. Just doing simple stuff like cutting meat, you know, looking ominous and stuff. And he does it perfectly, you know. Wow. Shout out.

Shout out to that guy. Sergei Vladimir Gumen. Hello from America. That's cool. What were you guys shopping for? We just like, okay, we need like some eggs right now. Yeah, just tomatoes. I remember tomatoes for some reason.

Yeah, I was looking for tomatoes. And I found the perfect butcher. So we actually looking at the time? Yeah, we were looking for a guy, for a guy. So we had one, I think, friend who was kind of on the fence whether he would like to do it. And then he said no. He said he had other stuff to do, but, you know,

well, this role, the guy needs to be big and the guy needs to be evil. Not everybody is down to play at that, you know. So it's understandable when someone says, now we don't like ask any questions it's a dark role that dark yeah yeah exactly uh so yeah no problem with that we just uh needed to find someone else and uh this guy to his credit no objections no nothing just yeah let's go let's go why not let's do it it was like it was uh like it was meant to be for sure for sure i mean i mean i mean i this kind of just just hit me just i was

diving into into your guys's band and uh i was like it was like it was were you so so that you found this guy and were you also looking for a location to do everything oh yeah and then you were you were knocking on people's doors exactly dude exactly to uh to find a house like yeah oh so we have a couple of areas in our city with yeah with uh that type of houses yeah and those are rich people houses obviously oh okay and so we were just yeah exactly driving uh his car just knocking on all doors. So we see that house. Yeah, that looks like something we might need. Knocking on the door, telling everything how it is, not like lying our way into their house, not, you know, hiding anything. We want to shoot a music video. We don't even need to go inside the

house. We just need to film the outside of your house. And because the inside was filmed in a different location, in a photo studio. But it looks very seamless. So we achieved a seamless effect, Luckily. What did it? Okay. If, respectfully, if you did that

to my house and you two knocked on my door, I would look at you, be like, these guys are psychos. They are going to kill me. Oh, nah. But maybe it's this, I mean, we're in California, so maybe it's just the culture difference. Is there like,

is people where where you're from it, they just like more, approachable or what's like the well I mean I mean we will once again we were just as respectful as possible you know well-behaved well-raised two guys you know just asking politely if someone would be interested in providing their house because when when like TV series and stuff gets filmed they often use just regular people's houses it's actually normal practice so it was not not that big of a stretch, you know, to ask people about that.

Okay. So not a problem. Well, since you're honest about it, I mean, it's always the best policy. Sure, sure, sure. Just hard and let it just come out. But given like the subject matter, what did you ask? Well,

the part that we need to film with their house involved nothing brutal at all. Oh, we just needed to film one car pulling up, our band stepping outside the car and us reading the bell that's it that was it so not much not much okay it sounds like hey we're going to film outside your house and then inside we're going to have like a butchering scene that was that was not necessary to tell you okay okay okay cool how many houses did it take how many houses oh a lot multiple multiple days for sure for sure and And by the way, this is the video we're talking about.

This is exactly it. And the house that said, I guess it's obvious that it was the last one because they said yes. But actually, even before knocking on their dough, we almost gave up. Almost gave up. We just said, okay, man, just one more house. Just one more house. And that one. That one.

Yeah, this is it. This was last house. Yeah, last house. Last house. Husay, yes, okay, guys. How many days? Like two days, three days? Maybe two weeks

Two weeks? Yeah What the We guys were committed Just a Yeah just scouting Yeah Yeah

We check all city All city With a house Look like this Yeah So you were looking Like you want it like You want it like a

Like Like normal looking But more upscale house Upscale modern Minimalistic looking house Yeah That was what we envisioned

Yeah And this is already in the photo studio so this is a different location all together. Yeah because in house all rooms small. Yeah and they're filled with stuff. For filming you need

big floor, big room for camera for light. Yeah. Yeah. Holy crap. Shows, yeah, just don't... It's kind of crazy that it was like it was the last one. Yeah, yeah I mean it's destiny. Like last one and then that's in And that's the one.

Yeah, and they said yes. I mean, it's crazy. That's awesome. It's actually crazy. Well, cool. Yeah, just keep persistence. You can't. Patience and persistence.

Yeah. They will get you anywhere. Yeah. Because approaching people's houses, especially now, it's just such a, it's definitely different. You know, like you don't have like Halloween anymore. You don't really have, um, I always feel bad for the Mormons. Because Mormons are the ones that will go up, go up to your house and knock and then,

and then they want to talk about God. Now, I always kind of feel bad, so I would kind of go outside and I talk in them for like five minutes. I'm like, I don't want to be like that. They probably got the door slammed in their face, like the past like 50 houses. And let me give them like a little bit. A little guidance. Of course.

What's up? You know, I'm not doing anything. I'm just listening to skinless right now. You know, I got, I got time to spare right now. Yeah. I feel bad. I'm like, and then I'll be out driving around. And I see him on like bikes and stuff.

I'm like, damn, that's a tough gig, man. I mean, they probably love their job as well. Probably, yeah. Yeah. Talking about God, you know. The one subject you don't bring up to people is, it's like, if you think about it, I say, hey, it's like you knock on a stranger's door and it's like, hey, you want to talk about how you're going to die?

Like, the whole concept, if you really, really break it down. Yeah, yeah. It's like, so I'm kind of, so over here, we just have that culture kind of ingrained, you know. So it's cool that you guys just knock and it worked. Well, I would say that American culture is actually more like, how do you say it, you guys talk to each other all the time. Strangers talking to each other in America is pretty normal. So I'm kind of surprised to hear that because in our country, in our culture, rather, strangers don't talk. you know, to each other.

Yeah. And we can live next to a neighbor for 30 years and not know them. That's pretty normal, pretty normal for us. So I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. You don't know what they're doing in their basement. You know, they can be doing all kinds of stuff.

Yeah, or they could be running slam riffs. You know. That's correct. That's what's going on in his apartment. Yeah. Yeah. How do you guys meet? How did we meet?

Mm-hmm. What you mean? How you've met him? Firstly, we create first album. I am and ex-vocalyst, our band. And next step was find new people in band. And we find our bassist who, how to say, who invited me?

Who invited us? Our bassist and me at the time we had another band going on, We were just starting. And initially, I was a drummer. And so... Well, you were a force of your drummer, right? Well, kind of 50-50, yeah, yeah. And so I was the drummer of that other band and our basses,

Victor Konashevich, shout out. He was invited to extermination dismemberment, and they were looking for a drummer as well. And he invited me to just help the guys out, you know, just do a couple of rehearsals together and, you know, until they find someone else, I guess. And the rest is history. 15 years later.

Yeah. So you met through a bass player, right? Yeah. Cool. Nice. Well, I know this guy. He like slam. Yeah.

Yeah. It's kind of funny. Sometimes, like, you just get picked. Do you like to do these things, you know? It's funny how fate works, honestly. If you didn't know that one guy for one day, like 10 years ago, none of this would happen, you know. It's crazy sometimes when you think about that.

Yeah. Yeah, that always kind of blows me away. So I say, how did this, like, you kind of needed, like, you kind of needed to go to a grocery store to buy tomatoes and then that's... And then I met the butcher. You just don't know. They call those omens. And sometimes people, people sometimes are looking for something.

And it's presented to them. But they don't read. it so so I mean we can I don't I'm trying not go too deep with it but okay so let's say you have in your mind the idea okay we we need a butcher like we need like an album cover we need a video cool well I personally believe that okay there's another thing that that's helping you so okay all of a sudden you need some tomatoes and eggs all of a sudden that's your fucking omen and then you and then you kind of just go and then now now you're at a grocery store and then boom

You know? Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. When I think back about it, why I became a drummer, just because we were drinking beer one day on the street and I was kind of hitting my legs on the floor like you would do on a double bass. And the friends told me, okay, you are the drummer now.

That's it, huh? That's how it happened. You know, I wasn't even thinking about becoming a drummer back then. And if that did not happen, I would not be, sitting here today 15 years later can you imagine that that's crazy that's crazy in USA with you yeah in the USA because we listen to your band when we create our band yeah for sure thank you appreciate that man well that that we are definitely honored to be here if you don't mind me saying that I know I'm honored to be talking to your band that's you know

yeah speaking of my my girlfriend's gonna hate this but a lot of great things that happened in my life have involved having a beer beers or having multiple beers that's how I got this thing having having beers with their friend and then they contacted Fender you just don't know

and things it's kind of like Yeah you never know The smallest thing can lead to bigger biggest things you know Never know man So cool you guys are You guys meet and the band's going And then

And you guys started looking for You guys started looking for a singer right? and you couldn't find a singer. Not exactly. So we had a singer. Initially, he was our vocalist. Both of them created the band. So the original vocalist, Valeri, Kajemaka.

Hello from America, we said. Oh, wow. And he, they created the band. And initially, I was the drummer, and Victor, the bassist, was the bassist. Yes. So our lineup was like that until 2014, I guess.

So two albums, we had an album in 2010 and 2013. And then he decided to leave the vocalist. He decided to leave just to pursue other things in life. You know, he went into art, into philosophy, that kind of stuff. So, and yeah, then we were looking for a vocalist. And we tried a bunch of guys and we faced a problem. We understood that when you're looking for a vocalist, you just you don't just need him to sing well although that's important as well but you also need him

to feel the band what the band is about to understand the band and to be the band's face it's not just singing it's also behaving the way the band feels you know thinking the band yeah the way the band thinks and and looks good well Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, we were looking for that kind of guy, and we tried a bunch of people. And I don't know, they just didn't feel like the right persons. And after trying for a while, we just decided fuck it, you know.

I took the mic. I actually, in all honesty, I never really wanted to be a drummer, to be completely fair. I always wanted to be a vocalist. So I just... I think that's every drummer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I keep saying, yeah. They always want to be in the front.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying to our current drummer as well. Someday you'll be vocalist. There you go. So, yeah, that's how it happened. And after that, we also find a drummer who was a better drummer than I was. So win-win for us. There was a big upgrade for our band.

It happened in 2015, I think. And in 2016, we were back to touring full-on. We started really touring Europe. Yeah. And I guess we never started. stopped ever since. Yeah, I was going to ask you guys that that was one of my questions where I was like, how do you play the kind of music that you guys play and also get out of your country?

Well, since you're asking about that, we are actually the first heavy metal band, heavy band, you could say, that toured United States of America, the first. And so far the only ones. Really? Yeah. Imagine that. We don't know about this. Yeah, we did not know about it previously, but now we, after it happened, we found out about that.

Wow, congratulations. Well, thank you, but at the same, we are honored and, you know, it's cool to be the first in something. But we don't want to remain the only ones for long because we really want more bands from Belarus to succeed for sure. Yeah, I was checking out some bands that I've heard you guys mentioned. There's a lot of great bands out there. I agree. Should we do some quick shoutouts for anyone listening to watching that want some new bands to do a checkout? Well, definitely shout out to the band called Irreversible Mechanism that you were listening to.

You're great. Previously, yeah. Cool band. Shout out. Oh, hello. Yes, of course. Venom symbiotte project from our country. Also a slam project, very heavy, very heavy.

Yes, very heavy. Post-Hemus blasphemer project. Relics of Humanity. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We know all these guys. They're awesome. Nice.

We hope that Relics of Humanity are already touring Europe intensely, but nobody has ever toured United States except us yet. How did you guys do that? I mean, we just kept working and it happened.

You know, there's no real secret. We got signed with unique leader records and they helped us getting visas, the P1 visas. And yeah, we got to work. We had an attempt to tour the States in 2017, but we applied for just tourist visas, you know, just tourist visas and got declined. But once again, we decided not to lie in the embassy about anything because, you know, when you lie, you can get banned. Oh, that would be terrible. That would be way worse. way worse terrible that happened yeah so they told us everything is fine guys you're just applying for

a wrong type of visa so we said okay thank you and we'll try again later five four years later we're here yeah so you got rejected the first time it was 2017 yeah in our honesty we weren't prepared for that yet because there was a month long tour that we haven't done before yeah but at that point and i mean we weren't prepared for that yet and i mean we we would do that of course we wouldn't die but that would be there would be i don't know i guess we weren't ready and it wasn't meant to happen sure it happened when it was meant to for sure because now we are ready now we're doing it uh you know it's not uh everybody everybody we spoke to from europe and from other countries uh everybody said that touring united states touring america is hell is very

hard you know everybody said that but for us it was you know pretty you know pretty easy so far knock on wood dang there's definitely a magic to not listening sometimes you don't yeah sometimes you just don't listen I'm like you know there's just something that kind of it kind of draws

you in yeah I guess I'll find that out for myself yeah you're right it's like I hear what you're saying but I'm still going to do it yeah I'll try and then I will decide if it's hell or not and the touring changed recently after COVID everybody started touring in RV I'm sure you're aware of that.

And RVs are a game changer, for sure, because I would imagine the bands that talked to us previously, they talked about touring in a van, probably. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, touring in a van would be hard in America. But in an RV, it's pretty smooth. It's smooth, not? Luckily, so far, been pretty smooth for us.

Yeah, I was very surprised to see you guys pull up because I was like, okay, there's plenty of parking here. for the van trailer and I saw the thing drive by them. Oh, they're not, they're in a RV. Yeah, yeah. This whole tour is on RVs. Wow, really? Yeah, yeah.

Man, I gotta go slam. Next record, Suis-Sons is going slam. What are you guys touring in usually? We are, there's this thing called bandwagons. Oh yeah, I bought it on a bed. It's basically a bigger RV. Yeah, it's it's cool. There's no, uh, there's no suspension at all.

So basically like you're kind of, flying when you're sleeping when you hit a bump it's like it feels like you're it feels like you're tipping over there's like a few times on the last run

with I think it was Chelsea Green we were just driving if you hit a little bump it feels like it's going to fall over wow so they they haven't really mastered the suspension yet but it's I mean if you just have a place

to lay down yeah it's just it that's a game changer for sure It is a game changer. Yeah. That saves. I mean, we, our previous tour, actually a tour before that, we had a double tour. So we did over a month in the United States.

Then we had three days off and then a huge tour in Europe in a row. Nice. And without an RV, I don't know. We would have done it. But it would be way harder for sure. Yeah, because you're so, you're so close to each other. Yeah. Like a little, little things start to bother you and then.

It builds up. For us, it's pretty easy. We are, we are chill guys. Yeah, he got, you guys seem very, very chill. But me, I don't like our drummer. He's just always there. I'm like, get away from me. Get away from me.

I can't get away from this guy. I'm kidding. Yeah, I love, I love my guys, you know. Cool. Yeah, but do, it's just, it's kind of funny how, it was your band to get out of the country, given, like, the style. Yeah, I can count the times that we've been told

that, yeah, you guys, you know, not with that kind of music, you know. Really? Wrong kind of music to know. Yeah, I mean, you're a cool, kind of a cool band, but, you know, you understand that not that kind of music, you know. Really? That's what we've been told all our life.

And here we are. How do you take that? You don't... You know with a smile, you know. I'll just keep doing my stuff. I don't care. You guys don't listen, huh? Yeah, we do not.

We just do. Is that a form of being stubborn? The trick is to love what you do. I think that what it all comes out, comes down to, because we usually, we often remind ourselves that we do not have to do it. We're not obliged to do it. And, you know, being in a band and orchestration, all this stuff. It's hard. It's a lot of headache, a lot of problems that need to be solved.

Sure. You know, and we still keep doing it, you know. It's hard, but we still keep doing it. But we don't have to. We don't owe it to anyone. We can just stop tomorrow and the world will go on. You know, we won't be fired from anywhere, nothing like that. But we're still doing it. Why? Because we love it. And that's what we do. I mean, saying that it's hard for us would be a lie because we're When you love what you do, it's not that hard. Yeah, there's something about it when you just love it, dude. Sure. This is something.

It keeps you, this keeps coming back. Yeah, and it's our life by now. We cannot imagine our lives without it. It would be incomplete for sure. Nice, nice. A question I have, what does Red Benton mean? this is my side project I have only one EP

in 2011 when I was 18 but you can't find on Apple music on Spotify only in Google maybe a EP called Sawmill maybe in future

I create more material But today I all my life, all my idea I use in extermination dismemberment. Of course, yeah. Yes. Red Betten, in English, this is concrete. Concrete. Okay.

Yes, red concrete because I take your face. The blood, blood, conch. Okay, I get it. I knew there's like some kind of meeting in there. I'm like, what does that mean? Okay, so it's like, okay, red concrete. Yeah, sometimes people ask me, what is it? What is it? This is my side project. This is my second name, you know. Wow. Okay, do you just like, I mean, are you just hanging out on Google Translate and it's protein in words? Okay, like blood. Okay, color of blood, red, red. It's just like, how are you like coming up with this? No, in really, when I was young, I love one song with,

with um um called this now a song was uh gray concrete gray concrete yes and i i love red concrete red baton and this is result okay clever man see there's it's like you just have good ideas you just take them so good ideas are just there he's fucking start grabbing him you know cool yeah this is interesting because this is uh russia language and the english language i love it Because my music, this is symbiot, electronic music, break beats, gabba, with death metal. Okay. Yeah. Clever.

Nice, dude. And you do, as far as musically, you do all the writing, right? All the riffs, because you're the only guitar player, right? Yes. I'm only guitar player and back vocalist. So you're just in your basement Just Of course

Chugging Of course Chugging Now how is that? Because you don't really You can't really bounce your ideas off Another guitar player So you're just

Kind of trusting your own riffs Sorry So ask him if He's just trusting his own riffs You know You same You can't be You know

Differes I'm not with a guitarist How about It sounds tough Yeah, yeah I listen many, many music and use inspire from my favorite band. Yes, I don't have friends, guitar players, but I have big bass in my mind. Understood.

Yeah. Same. It just kind of pops in there. Yes, I am... Get it out. Sometimes I use idea from a band what I listen, but transform and how I see. Sorry from English. I use idea from other band, but I see, I want like this, but what, how I want.

Yeah, yeah. Yes. I am not create this genre you know Slamin Burtle's Death Metal but I don't know how

create some kind new genre and I don't know it I don't need it yeah nice well you're also the first guitar player you hear

that brought in a Kemper yes but I use Kemper only only two years Were you using a Marshall J-C-M? No. We use, um, how it's to say one moment?

Pedal distortion of Russia company, AMT. AMT? AMT, yes. AMT? Petal? Pedal, yes, P-1. This was my favorite. Amt.

And then really we're endorser of AMT. It's called what again? I'm sorry. P1. P1. Oh, P1? Yeah, P1. Okay.

I got to see this thing. You got a C2. They put a letter and a... This is old pedal, but this is my favorite. This is awesome. It is. Yeah, yeah, P1. Is this it?

Yeah, this is my favorite. Maybe, maybe 10 or 11 years I used this pedal. Really? Yes, with... I never heard of it. With Tubbscrimer, with warmer pedal, you know. Warmer pedal, this is a pedal from Belarus company. Yeah, I love hard, hard, heavy sound for guitar.

Of course, yes. Yes, but on the record, we use plugins. Okay. I never seen. So wait, is it... You can try. This is my secret. This is my secret.

Oh, do you... Is it a distortion pedal or is it a... What's the... This is distortion pedal. Yes, P2, I don't like. Can we go back to the one? I like only P1. So, uh...

Wait, so, but... But you said you use a two-scrimmer, too, so you use both. Tube screamer first and and second this dude I've been getting into that lately like they they call it stacking I guess stacking two pedals like that yeah I've been really into that lately it's cool but with camper I can use more more effects and with MIDI cable from our laptop our effects we use automation life on our shows we We automate effects, so we don't have to push any buttons. Oh, nice.

Yeah. Yes. I don't touch camper on live show, but effects use. Effects pop out. Yeah. Got it. So we're doing a freaking lead. It just comes in.

Yeah, phaser. Yeah. That's sick, dude. Cool. What's the, can we hear it? Yeah, of course. Yes, a little, a little freaking chug. Yeah.

Chug it. Right now? Yeah, sure. Please. Yeah. Also, what? What is it up with the, like, slam? I noticed people with great tone have been using BC Rich.

So if you're only listening, we have a BC Rich semester. Yes, this is my favorite B.C. Rich new series. But in really, maybe 2018, 2018, Shredzilla, seven things. Oh, that's a Shredzilla? Shredzilla, yes. Oh, okay. Same with the Pilling Flesh guys. Yeah.

Okay. We can see Godzilla here. Oh, okay. What is that thing again? I'm sorry. Godzilla. Godzilla. Yeah, you know, I understand.

Oh, so that's Godzilla? Gajira, yes. Oh, that's a Godzilla? Okay, again, if you're just listening, the, uh, the fret marker is a Godzilla. Yeah. Yeah. I was wondering what, what is that? Okay, got it.

Nice. Yes, but in really, uh, I don't think. like fucking Abelam here. Oh yeah. Yeah. But I hope people don't see it. Oh, yes.

Well, I mean, if they're at a slam show, they're probably drunk anyway, so it's fine. Yeah. And I very, very like reverse, you know? Reverse headstock. This is slim. Mm-hmm. Nice.

So Shredzilla and the pickups are fishmen? Fishman Fluence, yes. Cool. And drop A Drop A Yeah That explains it Yeah

So if you're If you're only in drop A And you're stacking two pedals That definitely explains the Over the top gain Right Like a lot of gain A lot of gain

Of course Of course Sometimes I use Double gain Double gain See that's what we're talking Double gain Double coffees

Double gain Double everything Cool So can we, yeah, I think it might be a good time to hear it. Sure. Yeah, let's go. Heavy. That's tight.

What's the first riff to Slaughterer? Stlaughter. Slaughter. Chainsaw. Oh, Slaughter Chain So. My favorite riff from Slaughter Chain So. Yeah, yeah. Just gets you going without drums without anything.

I love it. I love it. That's sick. That's awesome. What's your favorite, since we're on topic of slam riffs? What's, uh, yeah, how do you write a riff like that? Are you just like sitting in a home? Of course.

Yeah, and you're just like, are you just like doing this? Or do you have a sound first and then you try to play? I just to play, just to play a lot of time. Okay. At my home. Yes. And sometimes I, how other. How all guitarists in the world, you know, I play in my guitar and there's some time, like, wow, this is cool, this is cool, I want it.

Oh, I've never done that before. A slide, see, I got, I got to learn it real quick. I got to learn that. It's a slide harmonic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A slight pinch harmonic, dude. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I love it, I love it. Right? Yes, right, right, right. Okay.

Oh dude, you could even do like a pool off. That does sound better. Yes. I'm saying like you could do like a, you could add a pool off in there. Like you could... You got you... I might do that. Add, add it. I never use this chord. Oh, that sounds heavy, dude.

That sounds heavy. No one. I don't use it. No? I don't know. Why? Because... I don't see this is hard in slamming. Okay, nice. But sometimes I love old school brutal technical reefs, you know?

Yeah. I love it. What's the hardest riff? What? What? Some of the... Hard? Yeah, like...

All reefs hard. That is true sometimes. It's true sometimes, actually. Yeah. People think, like, if it's just chugging, sometimes your right hand won't get tired. I'm just like, you know, how do I make this sound solid? Especially after three shots.

I'm trying to make it sound good. Most hard reefs after not hard riffs, you know? Dynamic in music create hard. It's true. Yeah. Dude, I'm really into that. It's a pretty

slide harmon. No? Yes. Yeah. No. No. Okay, got it. It's weird because my brain always wants to go to that chord.

That's kind of cool. It sounds silly, but, yeah, I'm so kind of, I'm so ingrained, like, throwing in that, uh, that, uh, I don't even know what chord that's called to be honest. Just a dissonance, low disson. Yeah, it's like a, I think back in a day we would call it a inverted chord. Inverted. But it's not because the inverted chord is... In really, in our country...

Thank you for playing. It's cool. Thank you. It sounds sick. Thank you for this interview. We love it. We're happy. Awesome. To be here. Yeah, sure. And really, in our country, when we was yesterday, it's... young when we was when we listened it hard music our friends and how say our surroundings don't don't love death core music we love it old school

death metal music okay and we are create our band we don't use scream elements maybe in our music and we don't use it. That score elements on guitar. This was our rule, you know. Oh, wow. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. Okay. But all our friends who we know,

listen to suicide silence, Carnifex band. Oh, cool. Yes, but this is Descore bands. Yeah. Yeah, the three main death core bands in our. country at least back then were definitely suicide silence garden effects and uh white chapel

oh dope actually black dolly murder also that big the big four the big four for sure interesting yeah so many bands have been influenced by you guys it's insane it's still going it's weird it's weird i just had a show where they were uh they were 16 they were still in high school that they're like doing like that whole sound again i'm like wow that's crazy so you guys had a rule to to not put in death core somewhat yeah somewhat to

to a little bit avoid it but that's not it's not because we liked it just because we wanted to sound different you know because so many bands especially back then everyone was metal core yeah somebody was death core

and we wanted to be death metal and say fuck you to everyone you know yeah yep I get I get it I get it we had we had a rule similar. It's back then. It was really cool to do two steps. Do you know what a two-step is?

Two-step, yeah, sure. Yeah, so it's like a riff, and then, like, people start two-step in, and, like, hardcore, and, like, the heavy bands around, so we're, like, no, two-steps. And it completely separated us from everybody. It was like, oh, yeah,

it's, like, one little... I might... I might contradict myself, but sometimes it's... It's so fucking rare, but it's sometimes having a rule works. Yeah. Because I'm all like no rules, no rules, but. But it separates you from everyone else.

Yeah, but yeah, but that one rule that we had, like, you know, no two-stepping. Yeah. Yeah, and just separate because everybody was two-stepping back then. Everybody. Well, that's what it comes down to, right? If everybody does one thing, let's do another thing, you know, and see what happens. Mm-hmm. That's how you stick out.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, people don't like to stick out anymore. It sucks. I agree. If you don't mind me saying, I'm a little bit disappointed in Death Corps nowadays because, not because it sounds bad. And the production is better than ever, for sure.

But so many bands sound the same. It's a little bit disappointing, you know. Everybody is doing the Whitechapel vocals today. Yeah, yeah. I mean, everyone, the tunnel throat thing, yeah? Oh, yeah, yeah. Everyone sounds the same. And back then, once again, think about that.

Suicide Silence, Whitechapel, the Black Daly murder, con effects, you can instantly hear the difference between all of them. You cannot, like, confuse these bands. Yes. And nowadays, you listen Spotify Death Corps, you think it's one band. It's just the same band, one after another. But it's all different bands. So, I mean, I'm not saying it's bad by any means.

And the production is great, of course. It's better than ever. And these vocalists, they are all very talented. It takes a lot of talent and a lot of skill to do what they do, for sure. I'm not taking away from them by any means. I would just personally as a fan of the music, because I love Deathcore. I'm not like an elitist, you know, for Death Corps on the Death Metal. No, I love Death Core.

I'm not like a shame. I love food. Yeah. And as a fan of the music, I just want to hear more diversity. That's it. I just want to hear different tastes of deathcore. Yeah, kind of... Can I have that, please, guys, deathcore? Thank you.

Yeah, it's tough, man. It's tough. I wonder what, I guess it might come down to influences. I don't know, yeah, no one's really bringing anything new to the table, besides the obvious ones, like the lorners and the slaughters. But then it kind of stops there. It kind of like everything is kind of molding. everything is kind of molding, you know?

It's like one sound. Yeah, one sound. I kind of wonder, I wonder what it's going to take. Maybe they all go to the same studio, I don't know. Sure. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of, I mean, Death Course had that problem for a long time. I'm not going to call anybody out, but, you know, back in the day

when we first came out, there was bands in our message boards. They were having tryouts saying we want to sound like suezance, but they never talked about it publicly. so I won't I won't blast them but uh it's kind of always been like an issue where like they just want they just hear the sound they don't they don't know what's behind the sound yeah you know it's like they just don't um you know and we're and we're older too that we're trying to uh it's very i guess it's very uh on 39 so it's very natural to be older and you don't you don't want to get sucked in to a trend. Exactly. So it's like, uh, because people want,

people want you to be like, uh, to stay with the times. Uh, naturally your insecurities want to be, uh, you don't want, you want to be relevant, you know, and up, but, uh, luckily me and my guys are like, I think this is actually the time right now to be more us than ever. And this is going to, this is going to separate us from. everybody to who you record with to who mixes your stuff to how how you write is but it's kind of like it's kind of one big circle like yeah we're doing stuff right now it's like at mid-2000s like what that it's coming back that that that like the mindset yeah you know how do we separate ourselves from everything that's happening as opposed to a lot of bands I think are kind of

following something works they all I see bands is kind of just replicating it We're doing that. We're like, okay, everyone's doing that. We're going to go this way. Yeah. Which for better or for worse? Definitely for better. Because for us, for example, it's also always was our priority

to sound like ourselves. We also mix and master everything ourselves. He does, actually. I know, yeah. You guys said it earlier. You guys mix and master it yourselves. Yes, yes, we do. And we may sound not as professional as other bands sometimes.

Like, objectively, our sound might be a little bit worse, you know, a little bit less clean, but it's our sound. You can recognize it. And it's the main thing. And with vocals as well, we always think that it's better to have your voice, recognizable voice, rather than to be able to do the sound everybody else does, you know, to be on par with everyone else. No, just your voice, use your voice and people will, some people will like it, some people will hate it. And that's the beauty of it. That's beautiful. That's a beauty. People don't like to be hated. You gotta be hated. You gotta be hated, yeah. You have to, it's like one of like the main ingredients that you could put into your sound. Absolutely. But people just don't want to. You want, you want your audience to be splited, to be split it 50-50, preferably.

We have a song called Corpse Pit. I was going to ask about that. What is that fucking song, dude? Well, you could say it's not a typical slam song, right? Yeah, that's cool. It's not typical, it's not slams. slam at all yeah and uh when we were creating this song our um goal was to create something that would split our audience we did not purpose yes yes yes yes it was done on purpose let's go and uh the effect the desired effect was achieved we think yeah because i it was so fun reading those facebook comments oh my goodness get out of there yeah yeah yeah and you know the guys that we're praising you yesterday right now they are leaving comments like, yeah, these guys always sucked, you know, in one day.

Fuck it. After two pure slamming albums, we can use other elements music in our sound. Yeah, we are just guys in a band playing music. We can do whatever the fuck we want. Yeah, we don't want to play slam 10 albums. You know, this is a stupid idea. because we can create more interesting music but we sometimes afraid destroy our conception.

Sure. Yes. But sometimes we use elements or orchestra or synch electronics. Electronics, yes. We love it. Yeah, we're definitely not afraid of doing anything. Maybe a couple days or years from now we will come up with something crazy.

and completely out there. And it will be fun to read comments once again. We're having fun with it. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, it seems like you guys are just having fun. Yeah. Because it's not that big of a deal. We're just guys in a band, in a death metal band.

We're having fun. Yeah. It's not like, you know, we're not politicians or anything. We don't owe anyone anything. We're just having fun. And you are all invited on this journey with us. Yeah, everyone's invited. Yeah.

Or if you don't like it, don't listen. Yeah, fast forward. And now sometimes people ask us, can you play Corpse Pit today? This is favorite song for people. Yeah, now it's one of our top songs, yeah, main hits actually. Yeah, you don't know, man. Maybe experiment a little bit more. It all comes down to having fun.

As long as you're having fun doing this stuff, it makes sense. People know, dude, people could fucking smell it. Dude, when you're having like a good time, people could smell it. Yeah. And if you're pretending to, they will smell it too. Oh, if you're, yeah. It all comes out at some point. Yeah.

It could take a year, five years, 10, year, 20. If you're, if you're pretending somewhere, people, they just find out. I mean, yeah, they feel it. They feel it for sure. Yeah, they got a fucking, feel that shit, man. So do, uh, do slam riffs come from, uh, Planet Fitness. Is that like a secret or something? No, Planet Fitness has 24-7 showers and toilets. That's the main thing on tours.

Yeah. That's why we always get a black card membership and we just park our RVs near a Planet Fitness every night and yeah, when we wake up, we have access to all the benefits. Oh yeah, yeah, for Guy, it is for a while right, huh? Yeah, yeah. And one membership gives you access to all the gyms across the country and every And every city has a pen fitness. So it's very, very convenient. Extremely convenient. Because when we did very first tour in the United States,

we did not know about that. So we had to take shower in venues or maybe in truck stops, you know, so you never really knew if you are able to take shower today, you know. And now you're pretty sure that you have access to a shower, to a restaurant, no problem at all. Because our shower in our RV, it's filled with boxes of With stuff we don't use our on board shower. No, we don't use it.

That's sick. Yeah. His stuff with merch, that's dope. Yeah, yeah, it's just a wardrobe. Oh my goodness, fuck yeah. Dude, in the bandwagon, people put their show clothes in the shower and it fucking pisses me off. My job is trying to shower because it probably reeks. Yeah, because I'm trying to like, come with like the first one up and they're all like sleeping up until who knows fucking how long.

like man where put your shoulder somewhere else you fucks my god and then and then they put their backpacks everywhere and then you want to beat them up and then you want to quit and you know it's a whole it's a whole cycle you know so i think i think a plan a plan of fitness is good oh yeah it is it definitely helps us keeps us going for sure it's just kidding so there's because i know they were doing uh a lot of people were doing like this because they always offer like a free day pass correct so i don't know a lot of bans we were doing that uh not sure about that uh what they offer is uh you if you buy one membership you can take one friend with you for free so it takes one membership for two people to enter whenever they want and we are four people in

total so just two memberships it's like it's like 50 or 60 bucks in total a month at one tour we we need for one tour so we uh buy a membership at the beginning and we cancel it when we'll It's very easy Very easy Fuck yeah dude Yeah Yeah back in and we were torn I don't think

Planet Fitness What wasn't a thing Actually when the planet fitness start When in a Because it feels like a recent thing Like but like But it's everywhere But now it's

I'm curious when it started Founded it 92 no 33 years ago No So maybe it was was maybe it wasn't everywhere you know maybe it was just in a couple of places marketing in 2023 planet fitness opened his first franchise location in florida so maybe company went public 2015 maybe that has something to do with it okay yeah so now we are traveling in an rv and we have

planted fitnesses in every city so touring is pretty easy right now do they still have uh oh yeah this This is my question about it. Do they have squat racks in there? Squat racks? Not really. They only have Smith machines everywhere if you know what it is. It's like when the barbell is fixed, you know? Yeah.

So it's not ideal. But I, for example, I for one, never squat on tour because I don't want to risk any back injuries because that would just destroy me. Smart, man. Yeah. So what? My back works enough carrying those merch boxes. oh yeah oh yeah um so they don't have this quart racketing don't they don't have uh do they have a bench

they don't have any free barbells uh for bench pressing yeah oh that that's what it is okay yeah fuck that and uh can you uh they don't allow you to groan right i can't be like yeah they have this lung alarm but we are not uh growners anyway so it's all right like oh slam you You're only a slam, dude? Fuck, that's what I would do. We should do that one day. And we should set off the lung alarm and film it. For sure.

Yeah, that would probably... Yeah. Oh, wait, there's an alarm? Yeah, exactly. Literally an alarm. It's called long alarm. I thought you guys were kidding. No, we were not.

They literally have an alarm. Okay. For that. So when somebody groans or throws weights or like, yeah, behaves like that. Yeah, what the heck is this? What the fuck? I didn't know that. Oh, my goodness.

It's funny. I guess they made it a thing out of a bit. I mean, it is funny. Yeah. It is like a rule. yeah you at the gym it's it's it's a loud place yeah yeah

I go to a UFC gym and uh I'm planning it's it's it's getting worse but uh yeah just people fucking they're just throwing weights around and you just keep

and I dude I'm blasting like extermination dismemberment in my headphones and I could hear the weights and people going uh I was like damn

if it's Like if I could hear it, you're loud, man. You're loud. Dude, something I've been doing, I think it's been almost a year now. Yeah, I stopped doing, because I have lower back problems. I started doing. As we all do. Yeah, squatting.

I notice that the squatting and deadlifts were actually making my, me personally, they were making my back worse. So I was like, I went to, what was it called? a hip thrust so it's like you put like so you put like a seatboat on and then it just targets like it basically I mean people say glutes

but it's an ass right so it just basically targets your like like your ass and all dude and then I started doing that and the lower back pain hasn't I haven't a problem that's cool I've had a problem and then I stopped

so I hated the hip thrust I hate lunges but So yeah, I stopped, I stopped deadlift things, stop, stop squats, and I did the hip thrust and lunges. The back pain, it's, I haven't had back pain. Yeah, that's so. I was like, because as a man, you're so ingrained. Okay, bench, pull up, shoulder press, deadlift, bench.

Oh, sure. Balls full of cum, this fucking, you want, it got fucking T levels up, like, and you're so ingrained with it, but it took my, really set my ego aside. Okay, you know what? the back problems are there. Let's do the hip thrust. And dude, it's... Yeah, just fix the problem. It's been a fucking game changer, man.

So anyone that's dealing, any one of our listeners that might be dealing with some back issues, the hip thrust really helped me. For me, surprisingly, I also had back pain problems basically all my life. And yeah, all doctors tell you

definitely now that lifts, but don't even lift weights at all, you know? And you're not listening. I was listening. I was listening. I was listening for them. That time you have to. Yeah, but only a year ago, maybe a little bit more than that, I decided, you know what,

I'm going to try deadlifting. See what happens. And surprisingly, this is what helped me with my back pain. Dead lifts. Dead lifts. Yeah. Surprisingly, the thing that hurts most of the people, I just took it very slow approach, you know, very safe approach, like raising the weights very, very slowly, like extremely slowly.

And that's when I started deadlifting, that's when I stopped having lower back pain. So go figure. Oh, wow. Okay, so no squats and deadlifting. Maybe I might go back to it. Oh, yeah, and also I added the back extension. Yeah. I'm not sure like that's huge.

I'm not sure how what the machine is called. It's not even a machine. It's like you hook your feet up to it. And then you hang. Yeah, okay, yeah, it's cool. What was that called? The back. I guess just called a hyper extension.

But yeah, okay, so I guess that's what it's called a back extension and hyper extension. And that helped too. Yeah, you add some weights, just take them in your hands and yeah. It just targets like the right muscles. And the thing about the gym that fucking sucks is that once you get an injury, it's kind of there forever. Like, I mean, back, I mean, this is like my first year in the gym, like late 20s, you know, you know you're into like the ego lifting and this I was working out with some like which she was like a really good friend like the people I was working out with were taking

steroids and I'm just like some little kid like trying to like keep up it made it back then I wasn't thinking but uh yeah put you know put up more weight on the bars I put up way too much weight and I squat I did squad and I'm like you kind of feel like a little a little twitch yeah yeah yeah And every hell is 11 years ago. And it's still like, if finally. Yeah, gotta be careful. Gotta be careful for sure. Yeah, finally, once you fuck it up, dude,

it's just kind of always there and like you kind of have to live with it. So I've been kind of building the muscles around it. Never try to keep up with anyone when it comes to this for sure. Especially what, what, what we're doing. Like you're already, we're already active. And the purpose to work out is just to get your body emotion, dude. Just fucking. Just, just a little.

Just to live longer, man. So that's good that you have the, you're not out there being a fucking egomaniac. No, no, no, no. Grunting. Yeah, slow and steady. Or you be, hang out, you see like a hot chick right there? You're like, oh, more.

Yeah. You know what, do like, this was, there was, I did this twice. Yeah. Twice where I started over, like on like the bench and squat. I took out all the weight and I was just bench in the bar and then next week I put two two point fives Did that next week five yeah next week ten I was like I just want to want to get my form right this is part of like early 30s and uh

I was fascinating what happened to my brain yeah because I because you used like the 45s did that that that primal fucking's going and I was so fascinated by by benching and putting two uh two other two point five so this little fucking like these little weights something happens to your fucking brain where you're freaking out you're like oh this is this is this isn't heavy people are looking at you and then like there's like you know a hot chick walks by you like you're like oh i was fasting i'm like oh this is what i'm doing it yeah i'm checking my ego right now just you're you're you are lifting for for health and then just to get to get your fucking body going it was it was a fascinating thing and

If you would have won, if you're listening and watching, you want to do a little experiment, you know, just put two fucking twos right there and it's fucks our benching. If you're not preparing for a competition, there's no reason to rush at all. Yeah. You have a lot of time. It's no reason, man. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what happened. We were on some gym ranting for a while.

Yeah. It's a gym podcast now. Yeah, it is now. Music, what? Yeah, no. Working out, dude. Is there a. Is there anything about your band that you want out there for people who like to know about your band or you guys?

Well, anything? I guess. Personal, not personal. Just we want everyone to know that we keep working on new music. We keep booking tours and we are, even though we are 15 years into this, just like you said before, we also feel like we're only getting started. We just getting started and it's going to get bigger and big. bigger and once again people ask us sometimes we're not like a super successful band like by objectively where i would say mid mid success you know but still people ask us like what's the

secret well how did you achieve it and the secret is just do it for 15 years and something will happen along the way you know just don't stop yeah there is it's a magic to not stop in dude i mean We don't feel like stopping at all. We don't feel like we need to stop for any reason, so why would we? And when you keep doing it, just stuff will happen, you know, stuff will happen and you will just do it one step at a time. It's a grind, dude. Yeah, yeah.

I can't look at the artwork. I just look at it at the fucking corner of my eye. You guys are bringing back the crazy artwork. Yeah, that was our goal. because it's all pretty comic bookish lately it's all been like that and yeah we want to go old school especially since we are remaking our

old school album you know and Slaughter Chainsaw by the way the song with the music video this is originally this was the very first song that was composed by extermination dismemberment oh was it really? Yeah oh crazy so this is where it all started like a song number one and say that this clip, this obloch,

It's the to what it was supposed to be in the way this artwork and this music video look right now, this is the way it was meant to be back then. But we could not afford it. We could not make it happen. That's why we just bought the zombies from the label that released the original version. But the album is called Butcher Basement. It's not called fucking zombies in the city. Yeah.

So now we have the butcher in the fucking basement and we shot a music video. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's kind of like a... A second chance. Yeah, it's cool. A second life to this album. Nice. And it's the heaviest sound we ever did, we think.

So it's cool. It's cool to relieve that music once again. Yeah, it's awesome. You guys have plans to start, you know, doing any new tunes? Sure, sure. We are always working on new stuff. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Hoping to release some new, even more heavy stuff.

Yeah. For sure. Hell yeah, always chugging. Yeah. Wow, first song, what a trip is that. Yeah. So 2009? Was it complete?

2009. And now it's 2025. That's what's up, man. See, don't, it's... There's a magic to not stop in, dude. I'll see this shit all the time. Man, I wanted to quit the band so many times. I don't want to quit this many times.

He just, like, one day you wake up. There's like, there's like a... There's something... You know when there's something in you. It's like I have a little bit more in the tank right now. For sure. I know I don't dig deep. and take that little bit of gas, that fucking pure gasoline,

I regret it for the rest of my life. Yeah. And some people give up too soon because they start bands for wrong reasons, you know. That too, yeah. They are chasing success or whatever. They want to be rock stars, and that's not what makes you're happy, you know. It's not. If you're happy just playing your music to like five people in the audience in some bar, you know,

just how cool is that? People came to listen to your music, you know, to you playing to your music. And if you are happy with that, then you are successful from day one, you know. It's true, man. Yeah, so you don't have to stop. Just don't stop. Yeah, man. It's funny when I had a, I'm the happiest I ever been in my career.

And it's when I had no money. It's when I spent all the money and went away. It's when I'm my most happy. So it's so weird that you can't buy it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Achieving success and achieving happiness are two separate. processes so when people do one thing they should not forget about yeah the other thing and vice versa you can be too concentrated on achieving happiness and forget about success yeah and find

yourself with no money at your 50s or whatever yeah happiness yeah yeah you want to do that you always always always always want to be grinding towards some always yeah for sure we need we need a goal we all need a goal to be happy without a goal uh I mean without a out a goal it's hard to remain happy yes families and stuff this is what makes you happy but you also need something to be something to you that you would be chasing you know working towards that that what keeps you going keeps you happy for sure yeah i mean that that that's how we're wired as humans man yeah you gotta have something like what's gonna what's what's gonna drive you i could not imagine life with the you know if i didn't have something to look forward to tomorrow you know a year from now

How can you listen like that even? You can't, man. Yeah. You can't do conversations like like this? Man, it's why it's why it's like music. It's like why we do it. I'm talking to a band that's from Eastern Europe. And this podcast started in my parents garage.

Yeah, there you go. It's fucking crazy, dude. Yeah, so the fact that we are the people that got connected by all this stuff is crazy because it's crazy, man. Otherwise we would have never met, never met. No chance. Never. Never.

You guys get to fly across the planet and play Slam. How cool is that? That's fucking badass, dude. I think that to me is happiness. I agree. And we actually are happy that we achieve this result with the obnoxiously heavy music with slam. Dude, for real, man. If we were playing something more like, you know, mainstream.

It's like, sure. Yeah. Sure. We wouldn't be we wouldn't feel so fulfilled by that you know it's like a challenge you go hard difficulty you pick hard difficulty and you play the game to first band in your country to play the States yeah un fucking believable I'm not sure about playing the States but touring the States touring the States it's unbelievable man and it's your it's that style of music it's cool I mean

it's crazy the style that people say that is the wrong style to do it, you know. You guys will never achieve anything with that kind of music, you know, that that's what we've been told. Oh, yeah. Or people told me suicide was not going to work. I mean, many times. It's just part of the deal.

It's part of the deal. I think people will say that. There might be some here. But after you achieve something, then it's like, oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Cool. Let's do a quick shot. You guys went tour with Aborted?

Yes, aborted, ingested, and peeling flesh. Nice. What a lineup, by the way. It's great. I mean, it's a great line up, it's irresponsible. It's cool. Too heavy.

Yeah. It's too heavy. It's too heavy, dude. It's too heavy. And look at that. Thank you for, also, this is also a big milestone for our podcast. This is the first time where we've done a podcast

with every band on a touring package. Hell yeah. We had ingested this week. We had spent boarded, like last year. Peel and Fletch has been out here twice. So thank you for helping us achieve on the goal in our podcast. The pleasure is ours, man.

Appreciate it, man. I'm honored, man. Where can people find you guys? Find us like online? Yeah, where do you want people to go? Instagram, official website, you know, your usual stuff, Facebook. People know where to find bands nowadays. Instagram, Facebook and official website.

Spotify, Spotify. Yeah. And on YouTube, please watch our videos, because because we put a lot of work into them, you know. All our videos are like mini movies. That's the way we approach it. So, yeah, we would appreciate if everyone watched it and, you know, left a comment and they're like. Yeah, well, you heard them do it.

Cool, yeah. And we'll put a link in like the description on it. I said, cool. Well, I appreciate your time. Thank you. And I'll see you guys tonight. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Yes, definitely. See you at the show tonight. I'll be there drinking beer. Let's go. All right, everyone. That's it.