Garza Podcast - 174 - BLEEDING THROUGH: Metalcore, Orange County & Chugging Beers

Episode Date: April 16, 2025

Garza sits down in-person with Orange County metalcore band Bleeding Through. New Album “NINE” Out Now! https://instagram.com/bleedingthroughSPONSORS: Garza Podcast Coffee https://garzapodcastcoffee.comCHAPTERS:00:00 - Influenced & Touring w/ AFI04:23 - Listening To Non-Metal08:03 - Playing w/ Long Fingernails10:38 - Black Metal Inspired15:29 - Brandan Played in Hardcore Band18:00 - Artwork18:25 - Authentic Expression20:03 - Album Has Easter Eggs22:11 - Ryan Wombacher Needing Clean Break23:08 - Having Kids, Hiatus & Feeling Lost27:28 - Not Playing Mexico City w/ Megadeth31:35 - Inland Empire vs Orange County34:11 - Derek Couldn’t Play Blast Beats42:42 - John Joining Band48:25 - Reflecting on Past & Current Self53:05 - Backing Tracks vs Actual Instruments57:23 - Not Being Approachable59:54 - Hosting Uranium (Fuse TV)1:07:05 - Downing Beers1:17:34 - Saying “No” & Building Own Things1:20:18 - Sonic Temple1:24:41 - Chris Barnes & Algorithm1:25:53 - Jamming Metallica on Walkman1:27:45 - Non-Metal Music1:29:07 - Whole Band Sings1:30:15 - Leaving A Stamp On MusicBLEEDING THROUGH isBrandan Shieppati - VocalsMarta Demmel - KeyboardBrandon Richter - GuitarJohn Arnold - GuitarDerek Youngsma - Drums

This is good vibes in here, though. And Jerry is rockin AFI. I almost got that as a tattoo. Are you? I almost got that circle. We did that first tour off that record, bleeding through it. No, no, no. She was not in the band then, but she saw us play.

That album came out. I waited in line to get it. And then I went and saw them open for AFI in Seattle. Really? Yeah. That was my first time seeing you guys. Oh, wow. HIMSA opened.

And then you came back and played Seattle again and then I met you. Yeah. But that was the tour we literally like. Yeah. And then I went on tour with them. They were like my favorite band and I was like. And her first tour was touring again with AFI. Oh, wow.

That's a, we did two tours. That's a full circle moment. The Singlesarro tour was actually like. They were my favorite band. The first. They were just. They were exploding. As we were on that tour, they were just, that's when it was happening for them.

go. The shows were so fucking gnarly, dude. What year was that? 2003. 2003? Yeah. So, that's when you first saw,

first of all, we had bleeding through in the house. Oh, we're filming. Oh, we're on. Yeah, I think so. Are we, Jay? Are we, uh, chugging?

All right, chugging. Chuggie. All right. Oh, look at your beautiful case. I joke that. Records out. Yeah, the records out, dude. Nine?

Nine. Just so we put it out there. Done. Okay, now we can talk about your life. You have this record? It's called nine. Sick. See you later.

It was sick. Yeah, I remember, was that the same, correct me if I'm wrong, is that the same record cycle that they had the video of everyone, motion or no? For AFI? Yeah. Yeah, they were. Because they actually, I was part of the asking people around the area where they filmed to be in the video.

Were you really? Yeah, they just like hit a bunch of, us like a couple of our friends up and we're like hey we're doing this video shoot like can you like spread the word and just get as many people there as possible I would we were on tour so we were not there those were the good old days those are good old days when people were friends and moshed and moashed friendly mosh are people not it's kind of a weird thing it's kind of a weird thing with this a fI song because it's like you know there's people Xing up and like yeah it's it's so funny because it's like really the song is not heavy at all but it works

It worked. But it was weird off that tour. There was people at the show and there's so many people in the crowd were Xed up. I'm like, dude, straight-ed-age is huge. But then they thought that Xing up was the symbol for AFI. No. Because of the video of... Really?

Yeah. I guess. They had to like make an announcement. Like this is not like our symbol that this means this. They had to announce it, really? Yeah. Because people, I remember we played a show and I think it was El Paso. And it was like, there's no way there's a thousand straight-edge kids here.

Oh. They're like, down in here, like, yeah. If they were, if there was Earth Crisis would be the biggest band of the planet. Oh, wow. That's the best Davey, too. That's my favorite. That's prime. I think that is prime AFI right there.

Yeah. That record is one of my top 10 favorite records. I love that. I love that album. Yeah, I really almost did get that, that symbol tattooed on me. I mean, I probably still would. They were such an influential band for me. Because they were, right.

It's like we were talking about. they were this in-betweener band they were like not punk rock not what I don't even know but and not just goth rock like they they were their own thing

it was a cool thing to see actually because like for us like you know we took a lot of influence from those tours because of the way they composed themselves they were very friendly to the bands they like made it everybody else's tour as well but they were also like you know the people at the

shows it's like you get hardcore kids you get metalheads you get goth kids like whatever the fuck and it was all these different types of people like them and that was really like an eye opening thing where at least for myself i was like that's bleeding through's path like let's not pigeonhole ourselves in one thing let's do different tours i think there's a space for bleeding through and everybody i mean because like we listen to all types of shit yes why can't other people listen to all types of shit yeah i mean but you'd be surprised how many people like you know people that probably just listen to fucking metal and that's like it yeah that's exhausting It's boring.

Yeah. It's boring. I don't think, how long can your ears handle that? I mean, I play my own my gym for 12 hours a day, man. I struggle, man. At a certain point, I don't even fucking hear it anymore. Yeah. Like when we would tour full time and you're playing for five weeks, right?

Yeah. On a tour, you don't listen to metal. Like in your off time, you listen to anything but metal because. You don't. I listen. When we're backstage, it's like, okay, Marta's usually in charge of the music. And it's like, okay, what's going to happen now? Hall of notes comes on.

You're just like a broad spectrum of genres. It's like a dance club. It is a dance club. It's kind of how I started listening to Sigurose. When I got into Siguris a lot, they were like my salvation away from what we were doing. For real. Nice. And then I just got really sad, though.

When I listened to him, I'm like, fuck, I'm sad. No. See, that's why I think. That's good. I love it. I like sad. I like sad too. I just sort of dwell in that space kind of more easily.

So I need to, I need pop to get the fuck moving. Because when I don't move, I get more sad. If I'm moving. So. If you've been to our shows, you know, you've hung out with that stage. Marta does not stop moving the whole fucking time. Yeah, you got to get ready. Yep.

For real. You got to get ready. And Brannis is jamming blood. black metal. A little bit. What else do you listen to? He listens to dance music. You do.

You listen to some rad shit. I like a lot of EDM and trance as well. John listens to Metallica. I mean, not just. And let's see. Metallica. Jesse Cook. Yes.

Tempest. How'd you know that? I don't know. Dude doesn't know. This guy. Holy shit. My player. I got to jam that record.

I put it on So yeah So you post Three records That was one of them How do you pronounce that band again? I'm sorry Oh, Cerebellion

Yes Yeah yeah Great band I heard today First time And I was like What Jesse Cook Tempice I put it on

So is he a acoustic guy Yeah it's like flamenco But he's like Canadian But he but he like Study with like the Gypsy Kings And like Spain and everything Really? Yeah

Yeah This is I don't even know No No how you guys are talking about. Yeah, exactly. He's like, he's Canada and, uh, Flamenco in Canada and, uh, he plays with gypsies.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. Flamenco's awesome. Dude, I have it, I have a skull and shaker that lives. Do I just not know about this genre? Is this my new favorite genre? It's like, Nuevo Flamenco. It's like, like, real flamenco would people would say that this is not legit. This is sick.

My dad has two of these guitars at home. Really? It's like all the nylon plastic strings, but they're like, so much money. Dude, I need to get a nine-one. Phil Pry has 30. Yeah. Seven-string fucking, seven-string Spanish guitar, dude.

Oh, those Spanish players, dude, that just play those like seven, eight, but, like, actually, like, you know, sick-ass riffs. The tech is the next level. It's so crazy. Like, the way that they plug. I can't believe we're watching Jesse. I mean, I've just been opened up

to a whole other world of things right now, to be honest. I identify a little bit. Oh, crap. This is pretty sick. This is great. Well, I can't back. I will probably get more into it. I can't back the longer fingernails.

I can't walk around my life. Yeah, yeah. With the women, I'm sure it's different. I can't do it. You can't play keyboard with nails. Oh, yeah, you can't. You got to feel your instrument. What if you did, though?

They did. They'll just break. You can't, if you can't, because, like, proper form is you're on top of the. This is the. Yo, I love how you just, you're on this and you just pulled up, dude. We're looking at fingernails. Oh, my God. I can't.

I can't do it. But I see how sick they play. I can't, I can't do it. Yeah, but you don't need to do that. You could just, like, use your fingernails instead of a pick. Just fucking speed picking with that. Yeah, dude. That'll be a new.

All the new suicide riffs are just like super fast. Ernie's like, fuck you guys. Dude, I've been fucking up for Henry lately. I hope so. The most simple. riffs. Oh, the simple rips, Dana. He's been He's got double stroke down. Yeah, it's been horning me up

That's awesome. A simple, stupid rip, he's like, 4-4? Wow. What's that? I can't wait. I'll bring him up once a podcast. It'll be the heaviest one. And now is the one. Would you do a quick cheers? Sure. Yes.

Culls. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Thank you. Thanks. Awesome. Congrats. 25 damn years. Let's do it. It's so long. I mean, you've been in the band for 22 now? That's a fucking, that's crazy. 21. I joined in 2004.

No, three. Sorry. Dude. Math. They're not a count. Mass tough sometimes. I can do it on my computer. Yeah, dude, that's a long time.

It's a while. You guys are like meant to be. You know, that's cool. And it's like, you know, I think we're, just I don't know what bands sit here and say hey I think we're worse now than we've ever but I truly do believe that we are at a position right now like um as far as like cohesiveness of our band that is just on a level that we've reached a certain level like that before like through declaration we are pretty like pretty like you know car like we were just like carved

an iron easy like we just fucking were a machine but I think we're at that level now with this lineup. It's been a long time. Yeah, me and Jay were talking because we both jammed a new record. We're like, oh yeah, this is probably like the best. He said it first, and I was already thinking of mine, this is probably the sickest they've been since Declaration.

To me, yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much. Declaration, it definitely reminds me a lot of that record. Just because the rawness of it and how it's a lot of like a lot of black metal influence, a lot of darker shit on there. About atmosphere.

Yeah. Is that, uh. Brandon brought the sickest of the blackest riffs. Very black. I'm happy to assist in that dark space. But Brandon's like a big black metal fan too. You know, so we kind of vibe and burrow down on that. You know, we're super fans of black metal.

So I just want to feel like I'm in a forest. Yeah. He is in a forest. Well, you did. I live in a forest. Dude, he took a picture of snow in the forest. I'm just like, winter picture is going to surface up. and like creeping me out like the old like the immortal fucking uh promos we got to pull that

okay so this is brandon's front yard okay and those are his neighbors yeah we're looking at yeah there we go sircophilus satanicus there he is but seriously how cool is black metal man like costumes and shit makes me happy man it does i'm finding a new respect it's a way of life it's a way of life oh dude like american black metal like is fucking sick right now, dude. I think. It fans like deaf heaven and shit like that. Oh, yeah.

Black braid, yeah, I saw Black braid. There's a lot of black braid coming out. It seems like holders, another really good United States. Holders? Holders? Yeah. What about that hurry career for the sky, that band?

Are they from the States? I haven't heard of them. They're pretty sick. They're like Black gay shit. Holder, okay. One of nine is another one I'm really into right now. One of nine. It's kind of like a lore of the rings base, but they're like fucking so good.

Like very good black metal. Nice. Was very surprised. We've always been probably like even like with past members that aren't into black metal, at least like the core writing of Bleeding Through. It's been most, you know, most influenced by that shit. But that that has, in my opinion, that's why I liked bleeding through because it was sort of this darker classical slash black metal.

that mends or whatever lends well to keyboard. From the beginning. Black metal fans don't like us though at all. It's because we're not pure, dude. Maybe we will now. It happens. It happens. It's also like the smallest genre of metal, isn't it?

I mean, God, man. Whatever. Who cares? Fuck him. But it's the sickest. Give us a chance. That's what I'm saying. Listen to this fucking new record, man.

I'm gonna tell everybody like to seriously listen to this record like what it's like a blessing and a curse you put out a record like this is all this murderous that means so much to so many people and it's like that's that's fucking awesome but I feel like a lot of people get stuck behind records I'm sure that's happened with suicide where it's like okay man you know we put out new shit and you're still just like really like just hammering this like people come oh I love this record you're like dude we have so many good so much good shit like people get stuck I get stuck on records too man yeah you know what I mean I think that like, and I think that is something that's awesome to be a band that has put something out that is like that. But it's also one of these things where like people are just, I still think people are just stuck on that record. It's the one record where people come up and go, you know, just love this murderous. I'm like, fuck. I love that record, but I'm so sick of hearing about it. Do you think it has something to do with just how we even ingest music now? Like people used to buy albums.

They had those CDs. Totally. Whereas now, like, you just. decide on a song based on, I don't know, recommendation. Yeah, when you got to pay for it? It's different. Whereas, like, this album or this CD was in my car and I listened to the whole damn thing because I didn't have a cis, I can't even, I didn't have a sick dick changer.

I can't even say it. Sick dick, wait, whatever. Six, dick changer. Six disc changer. Six disc changer. There you go. But I guess, yeah. So you look it out.

I like sick dick changer. Dick Changer, you just have to listen to that one album, you know? I just think we ingest music differently than older shit. Why do you look at me when you say older shit? Because I joined that, it's fucking old. Yeah, it's fucking old dude. But don't say that when you look at him, no. It's cool.

Older shit. It's fucking old. It's fucking old. We have a young person in the band now. We're young. We're young. He's averaging backwards. He brings down the average age in the band.

How do you, Brandon? 35. 35, okay. It's not like, you're not a child, but you're growing up. I'm an old soul, man. I felt old. You're still in baby making years. You were a young kid in the scene.

Yeah. Like me. You were so young. I was, yeah. 12 years old, I think. I was playing. Yeah. In the scene, playing drums and a hardcore band at 12.

Yeah. Opening for Bleeding Through in Orange County, yeah. Oh shit, dude. So bleeding through was like always one of my favorite bands. So when I joined in 2019, it was like dream come true, you know. How did you meet them? And she seemed on each other through friends and people. Yeah, we just kind of like stayed in touch kind of, you know, other friends, family friends, band friends and stuff.

And gym, I was really into bodybuilding for a lot of years. Then you played an Iron Sun show. Yeah. Oh, cool. That's true. Play the film show for sure. You know, just. That was sick.

Being in the scene, playing in other bands, you know, playing drums and other bands in the music world. And, you know, it just kind of worked out. Can I ask a question? I landed. Okay. So I think one of the coolest things about... It's your show. No, I just want to ask a question.

No, please. Chris, can I ask a question? I would love that. So one of the things I think is really cool. about this record is that we have, you know, two permanent replacement guitar players, you know, that get into the writing, you know, more than previous records where it was like,

just like a lot of being Mick and, you know, whatever. And I think it's really cool because it's like, he was a big fan of the man, which to me I was like, it was really cool to see how he interprets, what in his mind would be a bleeding through song. That's kind of cool. As like a fan, like, what if, like, whatever song,

whatever band you're a fan of, you're just like, and they're like, write as a song. And then they want to see how you. That's what it was like after I joined. And like John is on like opposite way that. John like didn't even really listen to us before. And so getting his interpretation. Oh, interesting.

It's like, and it brings this other energy in it. I think it's one of those things that brought a lot of the energy was having like two people that weren't. I haven't even seen. I haven't seen. I haven't heard. Battle torn. Doing these, you know, okay, let's write a bleeding through song because we know how to write a bleeding through song.

You know, progression is trying new things and doing all that kind of shit. I had to see this. Yeah. That's so fucking cool. You guys, wait, yeah, yeah. What is it? We haven't been sent our copies yet. Oh.

Are you serious? Oh, okay. So yeah. Well, here's your record. That looks good. I think the whole process of the record was like really special too. It's very authentic. Mm-hmm.

a very authentic expression of all of us, you know, from like thinking about the record and then kind of starting it and then touring a bunch and going to other countries and writing stuff, you know, and then like kind of being sad on certain, certain days or whatever. Very sad. We were talking about that this morning. Like there's, they, you know, for sure. She finished a lot of the record or like a few songs on the record while we were in Australia. and it was like this rainy dark day we're in the hotel room and I'm just like this whatever we write today is going to be fucking it was so great really dark and it was it was like if I can add to that like marta was like having a rough day and it was like hard for her just to even sing it all but the emotion was so like legit man so it's like I can't like not like anytime I listen to those songs I'm like I obviously think about what was going on at that time and just being there and

What do we call it, Grandma's House? Grandma's House. In Melbourne, Australia. It was like a motel. Trippy, trippy motel room. But start to finish, it was just like a really cool process. Yeah. It reminded me a lot of declaration.

I agree. That's where Grandma's house. Yeah, started out. We stayed in Grandma's house for a couple months. And it was similar where it was just rainy and you... Depressing. You just sort of sit there in your... You could hear the depression on that record.

I love depression on her record. Right? Makes the best records. It's real. It's real. It's real. Yeah, my favorite track is Last Breath. Oh, thank you. Wow. Yeah, it's cool.

Is it because I'm not on it? Yeah. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. That was Australia. No, no, no, no. The rain was at John's house. Oh, really?

The rain was from Australia. We recorded the rain on that song in Australia, like real rain. Oh, let's go. Dude, I'm gonna let the cat out of the bag on that. Like, I don't think anybody's picked up on this. but the keys from that or the piano is from the chorus of... Absolutely. Did I just ruin it?

No, it doesn't matter. From Lost in Isolation. No one's picked up on that. That's why they go together. It's the same chords of the chorus. And it was Marta's idea and she's like, I want to like, you know. See, like, I didn't even know that. I didn't know how it.

This record's even cooler now. Right? It's got little, it has a couple like Easter eggs in there. Yeah. And like, Whami. he just like chucked a microphone in front of Wami and put on all these this huge reverb effect

and I was like no just just sing this one just sing this note come on and he's like well I'll just redo it later I'm like no we're getting the the golden goose is laying these beautiful vocals

in he has no idea how talented he is so I was so happy to capture that totally that's cool and the cool thing about it is like Wambi and I both wanted to like kind of arrange it and kind of like make it just polish it up a little like you know a little more and Mara wasn't having it she's like no like that first take whatever that like it was multiple take like oh you know overdubs but like she's like it just has to be what it was in the moment there was so many I was so uncomfortable with it there were so many competing notes and I wanted them in there so badly totally oh that's cool like dissonance and then you made you made it work Yeah, because the keys are just like, it's just like a prelude. It's just like a slow march.

And the vocals are what, the build the emotion. I like that picture, it will be. Yeah, that's great. That's him. How's Ryan doing? He's doing good. I mean, it's probably better for him to not be playing with us anymore. For his, like, self, you know what I mean?

Nothing was ever like, it wasn't like a, there's no drawing. No, no, it was literally, he was just like, dude, this just doesn't. Playing music in general does not make me happy. He needed a clean break. Yeah. Like when we, like when we took that, when we took that break, he didn't. He kept playing with light the torch and tour it full time. So it's like he just went straight through like 20 years.

Mm-hmm. Fuck. Yeah. Straight through. Straight through, dude. Sometimes it works, sometimes you get burned out, you know? I mean, we were, I mean. I recommend everybody take a break.

I had babies. Hey guys, take a breather. A couple of years. Come back. That's a break from music, but not from life. Not from life. Did you have your first, 2018, correct?

Yes. Nice. Yes. And when was the, I guess, called hiatus? Yeah, it was during that time. Oh, wow. So it was like, okay, this is like, let's have life. We played a show.

We played a show in February of 2016. So, yeah, we, I played well pregnant with. We weren't planning to do that little. little like one off show but it was the ghost inside uh oh yeah like benefit oh when they got in the van or the bus accident and we're just like well we're broken up we're not broken up we're not broken up we're we're taking we're not doing anything but for this yeah let's fucking do it and it was like the most insane show and i'm like how do we not do this yeah it was really hard that almost like that almost like that almost was like for me being like okay let's just i yeah at the time it's like i think we're all kind of like

needing different things when we did talk about being done though whenever it seemed like it was your idea or you brought it up first I don't know whose idea it was

my heart broke I mean my heart broke having to kind of realize that it was probably going to be the best for everything I know that now but at the time

I was I felt like I was losing a piece of my identity. Yeah. Yeah. And didn't really understand, like, why I was so emotional about it. Because I guess, you give a lot of fuck. Oh, my God.

It was like, I couldn't, I think the idea of a tether being cut. It was just like, I couldn't call you my singer anymore. It was like these connect. that held, you know, you tethered, tethered to that was severed. And I was so sad. And then, I don't know, whatever. Then we did end up playing that show. And then it was sort of, yeah, like the realization that this, nothing is over.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I'm so glad because, because I love this album so much. It was definitely, that time was just really weird. It's just like everything was just so hard. Like, you know, members of the band, we get offers and it'd be like, somebody can't do it. And we'd have to get replacements. And it was just like, dude, like, if we need to kind of step back and establish ourselves away from this fucking band and kind of figure our life out outside of this band, then that's what we need to fucking do.

Like, I had an opportunity to open my gym. And I was like, I'm going to take this opportunity. Like, it broke my fucking heart. I hated it. hated it like you know part of my life i wasn't being known as like brandon from leading through it was like brandon from res above fitness which is cool but yeah yeah it's on my breaks so and you're not going to put you know what i yeah yeah and i don't even think it it's about the ego it's just about the identification and the association that like these are my people this is my band this

this is ours like that ownership it's not a even it's not just oh the platform or the claim it's like the the identification with that for me yeah yeah it's like that's it's it's who you are yes it's like this is like who I am absolutely and I found myself like I felt myself like feeling like lost at times of course and I had to like pull away I didn't listen to like heavy music for a couple years a couple years I would just listen in the gym and it would just be like old stuff I always like listen to but I'd stop like discovering it because it gave me anxiety.

Yeah. And then finally I'm like, fuck, who cares? Let's fucking do this. Now we got these fucking dudes playing guitar and we have this fucking rad band. You know what I mean?

It's awesome. Stoked. It takes a while to rebuild sometimes, you know? Mm-hmm. You guys, like, it seems like it took a one big circle. Yeah.

And when level kill all came out, I mean, we were kind of getting back into like a rhythm of things, but then COVID happened. And it was like, you know, we had show scheduled and shit. We were supposed to fly to Mexico City. And then I remember hitting up.

I'm like, here's the deal. This shit's going on. If Megadeth cancels this fucking show, then we're canceling. And I hit up Ellifson. I'm like, are you guys going and doing this show? And he's like, nope. And I'm like, then we're not going. Yeah.

Fuck that. It was supposed to be in like May. Yeah. Yeah, we're on. We're on it too. I think you guys were on it. Yeah. Did you guys go play it?

No. Pussies. Yep. You weren't there either. Shut up. Well, yeah, it's just crazy times. Yeah, dude. That sucks, dude.

But sick, now you've got a sick-ass record now. Thank you. That's cool. I'm, I mean, I will, I mean, I'm probably saying the same thing that everybody's thinking is like, I'm super proud of this record. I'm probably more proud of this record than anything that we've ever done. I just feel like, you know, a lot of effort has to go into this now, and I think the modern way of being in a band,

especially like the way that we operate you know a lot of people you got to make even more sacrifices and you know travel and it's it's fucking it's hard but it's like I just think that the last you know few years of traveling and being in with this group you know and it's like we've just seen things it's it's been awesome like this record is just like that it's that energy like I felt like this was just like this is purely like from all of us. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Whereas like other records, you know, probably people in the band didn't really identify it with it as much, you know? Yeah. I mean like the great fire, like, I just pretty much wrote that whole thing. And like nobody did, you know. It was very detached, you know, but it was like, I don't know.

This was so like, I don't remember a time we were so like locked in. Yeah, it's, it's. I think about declaration. That's what I think about. Yeah, it feels like, we have gone through these experiences. We've toured together now.

We've traveled. We've sacrificed and given time. And that bonds you. It does. And we're all on the same page in that we want to be doing this. And there were times when maybe everybody didn't. And all wanting to be here. it makes a difference.

I think it came through in the music, just like the dedication. Well, you've gone to do that too. You know what I mean? You guys have had like a lot of people in the band like for, you know, like you and Mark have been fucking jamming for fucking ever. Yeah, it's hard to get everyone on the same. Like it's on,

but it's also like, through the years and stuff, it's hard to even have a band that has more than two, at least long, long time original members or whatever, you know? Yeah, it takes a while to get everyone just invested. When everyone's invested, yeah, it's, it sounds like, it sounds like it's a normal, it should be like a normal thing, but it's not. No.

Like you, like you, all takes as one person and being out, out the door, like like a foot out and just throws things off. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So someone's foot out here and just. I got sick of calling people and asking them if they could fill it on guitar. I got so sick of that. I'm like, dude, this is dumb. Like, we're just going to show up every other show and have.

different members like that's not like a legit thing you know what I mean yeah yeah you got have someone I got to have someone in mm-hmm John's in I I I I told Brandon's in yeah I I told Brandon it's in the forest I pledge allegiance to this band yeah I am dedicated yeah yeah that's cool I'm on it well now now I'm now I'm in the band that's right let's do it sure let's go seven members what's the difference seven you need to Do the dedication pledge. Okay. Okay, cool.

I dedicate myself to be impleting and through it. Cool, you're in. I'm in. You're in. Thank you. Well, now, I'm in that band. I'm also, thanks to you, Brandon, I'm also, I guess I'm included in the Orange County scene. And I appreciate that.

Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. Remember that? Yeah. It was you and other Brandon. Which other brand? Oh, Salar? Yeah, yeah.

Saler. You're part of us now. I felt so honored, dude. I was like, I am in Orange County now. After all the years of hating it. Let's go. Yeah, we've talked about that. There was that weird, like, I-E-O-C thing.

It was stupid. It was. I never understood it, but I was a transplant. I'm like, what? You guys all go to the same shows. And we all thought, everyone thought that our band cared so much about it, and we didn't give a fucking shit about shit. You were just proud to be.

Yeah, exactly. Didn't you, wasn't Scott from the IE? Yes. So was Derek. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But I'm from Orange County. So fuck you. Well, you were very vocal about it.

Yeah. Proud. It's on your flesh. It is. It is. It's literally. It is. Let me just print this on my flesh.

Yeah. I got that tattoo in the I.E., which is kind of weird. You got your OC tattoo in the IE? I did. Does anyone know that? Probably not. That's hilarious. Sorry.

And the dude that did it is the one tattoo he did it on me, and he, He was just like this total fucking like, I mean, he was just like, yeah, he was, he was a total Vato, man, like, just like, why do you go there? Well, we were, he was friends of one of my friends and he's like, and I met him. He's like, oh, I'll tattoo you. And I hit him out, like, want to do OC on my stomach. He's like, yeah, that's like my bread and butter, man. That'd be sick.

Like old English, like and all that shit. Dude, he did it with like a fucking, like the smallest needles. It took so fucking long. It took like 10 hours. That's why you're proud of it. Like, I've earned this. I went through it. I went through it for sure.

What does Derek have on his stomach? Led Zeppelin. No. Does it say, Inland Empire? Does it say Empire? Maybe. I feel like inland Empire or Empire? Maybe.

Okay. Oh, really? I think so. How do I not know this? Well, I mean. He doesn't cruise shirtless. We'll check later at practice. We live together in Melbourne, Australia.

That's true. I think it's inland empire. Really? I think so. That's sick. Oh, good luck. That also... Oh, nope.

There's O.C. Look at that handsome dude. It also represents a style of your music, two different places in one band. It's cool. For sure. It's kind of a... Yeah, so Derek's your drummer's on here. I mean, he's an OG.

Yeah. And I really wanted to talk to him because remember, like, the last time you were on the pod, you're saying that he didn't know how to do a blast beat. He didn't. When he was in the band. So he learned drums from his... father right and he was like a 70s rocker and he was just because teaching Derek like Led Zeppelin deep purple stuff you know yeah that's where you grew up playing and

shit yeah cool I mean I'll say it again if people didn't watch the first one but it's like with Derek I remember when our first drummer left and Troy our first drummer was is like a drum prodigy like it's fucking stupid how good he is he plays in that band Taken just a incredible drummer blast beats like it was the first dude I'm just like it doesn't look like he's even like playing he's just you're like what the fuck so we had this dude and then all of a sudden god tells him to quit the band really yeah oh god damn it really yeah it's messed up scott calls me and he's like and the funny thing is is i'm on a winter tour with 18 visions and we broke down in Wyoming how to get towed

back to Salt Lake City we're stuck in Salt Lake City always and we've been stuck in Salt Lake City as well um but we were stuck in Salt Lake City and I get a call from Scott to know and he goes Hey man, Troy quit because God told him to. And I'm like, I just started laughing. Like, are you fucking kidding? And then I'm like, well, what's up your boy, Derek? He's like, well, Derek can try it. And I'm like, well, let's see if he can do it.

So Scott jammed with him. And then we got back, we jammed. And I'm like, I remember saying to Scott, I'm like, there's no way this dude can do this. Like, there's no way. And Scott's like, let him just like work on it. He just worked on it. Worked on it. And then like, after a couple of practice, I'm like, I actually prefer this now.

But he could not play Blast Beets and he just was like, but he figured it out quick. That's so cool. What was that? 2001-ish. Fuck. Not two. Might have been 2000. 2000.

That's so wild. And then he influenced a shitload of drummers. It's funny how that works. Just from like that album. Well, in our genre stuff, who the fuck was playing blast beats coming out of our genre of music back then? Yeah, it's true. It's very true, man. Right, yeah.

So what's he like, who is he? Now it's like, drummers are absolutely insane now, which is, remember how hard it was to find a drummer? I know. Now it's like, probably the easiest thing to do is find a fucking drummer. It's crazy. Yeah. Now, I'm the hard person to find. It was a singer.

Yeah, drums are everywhere now. My teenager is a drummer. Really? Yeah, he's a good drummer. But, yeah. And your youngest one's a drummer, apparently. Oh, yeah. And our three-year-old, he likes,

to play the drums too. He'll play along to bleeding through. Really? Yeah, yeah, just like a little bit. Let's go. Dude, he's cute. Do you know that Brandon is an insane fucking drummer? Also a drummer.

Really? Yeah, I played drums. Most of my career was playing drums, you know. Which bands were you in? So, you know. Give us three. I played a few. I was emotionless and wide.

I played with Falling in Reverse for a while. a Skylight Drive I was in that band for a while and I kind of did some industrial underground shit as well but I've been playing drums shows since I was like 9, 10 years old started playing my first shows

910 you're already playing shows that might be you might have the record of bands that've heard been playing shows both my parents are like an incredible musicians so they started me like really young so what were you jamming?

Drums and guitar. Cannibal corpse. Yeah. He's so, Jim. He's just like, what were you playing? What were you playing? Ten.

Ten like poppy punk and cradle of filth. Okay. Poison the well. That's cool. Like that, yeah. What about poison? Not poison. Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss.

No hair metal, but yeah, that's kind of like what I started on, you know? Damn, you are fucking black. Dude, for real. Poison the well. It's cool, though. Chris was, Chris was a tremendous drummer, man. Well, I was 9 or 10 in fucking 2000, in the 99, so. He was the shit. They were kind of just coming out then, you know?

Fucking 10. That's wild, dude. Has Chris been in Poisoned in the World the whole time? Whole time. Yeah. When I was in 18 Visions, we played a show with them in Miami, kind of before they were, like, kind of getting to where they got. And Chris set up his drum set backwards. Like, his back was to the crowd.

and oh yeah remember when drummers were kind of doing that thing yeah he was like doing or sideways yeah jesse from zayo used to do sideways i haven't i haven't thought about that since i was a kid i remember yeah i remember watching like the hell fest yeah i was like why is this why is he playing like that dude i've never seen that i've heard of saddways what is like what other than aesthetic what's what's the yeah maybe like a different view i mean he ripped for back then you know look at your dumb singer yeah wait what happened yeah They're like, I'm tired of looking at your back. You look at my back.

That was a thing, huh, for a while? I forgot what your was. He's playing sideways. Oh, yeah, he's playing sideways, yeah. Boom. Not backwards. Sideways came from like Striper, right? I think Striper, was it Was it Was it Was it?

Striper is dope. Striper is dope. Like, their guitar players are so good. Oh, we're going to, oh, dude, this is great. Stryper is pretty sweet. I think that is like a really cool video right there in Korea. What the fuck? Yeah, this is a badass fucking video.

Are they a Christian band? Am I? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Is he sideways? Bro. Oh, he's sideways. Yep.

Oh, it makes sense. Right. Ahead of his time. How did you pull that? I learned that from one Jimmy Schultz. Shit from many bands, one being cerebellion. Yeah. That's insane.

Jimmy used to do that. What's insane is you knew, you were just like, yeah, it's like a striper. Yeah. And it was them or wasp. The color. Is it a wasp like a yellow bag? Yeah, but they have the, don't they have the crotch blade? Probably.

Don't, right? Come on. What? I'm not a wasp fan. Jerry, I need you. Who's bigger, wasp or striper? It's like a cod piece. That's like a blade, like a saw.

I didn't know striper was like music. Right? This era of music just escaped to me. I was like listening to like punk and like hardcore. I was nice I got it Yeah there you go And he would wear that

Wow I'm I go old with you That's not realistic I learn a lot about my band Animal All the time How the fuck did you know that

Dude look at his See He's got a flaming Cod piece And then a saw Other times Okay near my wasp Dude Brayor

Look at that Look at the gauntlet With the fucking Blade on it Yes This is metal history Right here folks That's the real

Phil watches a lot of, um, that's crazy. Just anything on the history of, I wouldn't, I would not trust that, though. Various things. Would you, would you put a firework? No. Up your freaking. No, I think the dude got injured. What happened?

Well, dude, I was on stage and I just, uh, burnt my dick because I was shooting fucking sparklers out of this thing. I used to have a weiner, but then I had sparklers. Now it just looks like ground hamburger. Sorry. Brutal. That's fucking gross. It still works, though. Is that a cannibal corpse song?

You should. It should be. Ground beef. Oh, crushed the can. Penis. I love it. I skipped all the 80s hair metal. Yeah, that wasn't my jam.

I went straight to new metal. Well, I married somebody older than me, so he knows about every, he knows when this happened, you know. He's probably in this video. He might have. He was probably talking shit about them. I love it. It's probably in the video. That's sick.

What year? This is 80. I'm going to guess 84. 73? No, it's not. Is it 70? Oh, that's the dude. 89.

89, yeah. He was already playing in shit. And that's 99? That looks like 82, bro. Hey, John, how long have you been in a bed? What? Cerebellion? How long?

No, how long? Oh, this is. Yeah. Oh. We're talking about bleeding through today, John. Uh, uh, three years.

Three years. Three years. Three years. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like a food buy, huh? Yeah, dude,

for sure. I know. It's funny. I was thinking about, because like, when we started writing for this record, I was like two years in the band, and it was like,

we're, just, this is kind of going back, but like, like, like, like, it took me a minute,

like, writing to, like, understand, like, what, and I kind of, I don't even know if I got in the ballpark, but like, to understand what the BT sound is,

even though I was playing the shit live for two years, you know? You know. It's interesting. Yeah. John, I think, has a real ear for melody. Like, you bring a lot of darkness. That's dark.

Fucking hands down. Hell yeah, that's sick. And, but you bring, like, harmony and melody and a, a lot of melodic. Such a beautiful way. It's so tasty and emotional. That's cool. And I love it.

Thank you. I love playing with both of you guys. so much. Thank you. We love you. Because I feel like I Well, you do both. Yeah, I try to do both. But you do both, naturally. I try. I sure try. Yeah. And your band's been on a journey. It sounds like you finally got the sound.

Oh, yes. Finally, 25 years. We finally fucking did it. You know what it is. It's kind of weird because people like, well, why this record? Why is this record so much better? Or why do you think it's better? I think everybody at band's new record should be the best one. Personally. I agree. feel like bands should learn and progress and stay within their set themselves progression I think

gets oftentimes like misused as like oh well this band you know wrote this record and there's like death metal riffs on it but the next record literally sounds like you know fucking pop a roach you know that's not really progression that's kind of just like abandonment that's kind of an band A band, exactly. That's kind of like telling everybody that likes your band to fuck off. Yeah. Oh, you like my band

because we're like symphonic black metal hardcore? Well, fuck off. We're going to write a third eye blind type record. 311. Yeah, you know what I mean? So it's like I feel like every band should be new record. I feel like to the band should be considered the best one. Yeah.

It should be a constant progression, but staying within yourself. I just feel like this record just meant so much. And we nailed that. We nailed that, like that feeling I felt like. We stayed with totally stayed within our but still branched out enough to where it was like fun. Yes.

Yeah. Like when you add different elements of in the songs and to your band, like it should be wanting to play them because it's like fun. Like add things that are fun. Like add elements of other types of music that you listen to. Like see where you can kind of just, you know, take influence. And you should always want to take influence. Yeah.

There's a lot of, there's a lot of older bands that don't take influence. And like I honestly like 25, the reason why I wanted to know. name the record nine was because I'm just so proud of this group and the record that we're making and I feel like it just needed a fucking stamp on it you know what I mean like I listen to a lot of bands new songs that have been around for like 20 plus years and stuff and I'm oftentimes just like cool there's nothing like it sounds like just like another record by that band you know what I mean and it's I just I guess I kind of want to hear growth You know whether people think there's growth in this or not, but to me and us, I feel like we all feel that way.

For sure. Nothing pisses me off about lazy bands that just rest on the, oh, we were this band and they just like fucking sit in that moment. You know what I mean? And that was really like one of those things about like doing like this is love this and murderous, you know, like shows like celebrating the record, the anniversary. That's rad. But like I don't want this band to just be known. for those times. Yes.

You know what I mean? Where I feel like some bands are comfortable just kind of living in that sense. You know what I mean? You know, that's not the vision I have with this group of people and none of us have that vision. We want to, we still want to be

the best fucking band we can possibly be. We set out to create this album for sure. You know, we set out to create something really, really special in that like fucking makes a point, you know? and that's one of the things I loved about joining the band is like and I was I didn't know like you never know but like that the passion

for the craft you know and the artistry of it you know and like Brian would like after a long week of working whatever 70, 80 hours of the gym he'd come over on a Friday night like weekly and like let's work on and we sit there and for two hours and just like figure out like when we were doing the re-records just like figure out

like okay where where should the BPM be for the re-records because you know there was no click on the original. We were spent like two to three hours, like just like, okay, because we're going to do it to a click now. We got to figure out where the, you know what I mean? Yes.

Where all the changes should be in. It was a tempo catastrophe. Yeah, it was wild. Because we mapped it out and it was like, you know, all over the plane. And it's like, okay, well, we have to average it out. So it's like you spend two, three hours doing that for one song. That's a Friday night, you know? I was like, fuck yeah.

You know what I mean? I love this. No, yeah. Dedicated to the craft. I love this, man. We love you. I really do. That's awesome.

It's awesome. It's a little bit different from the hateful brandishapetti. Yeah. Actually, I want to ask you, Marta, like you. I remember hateful Brandon Shepetti as well. You know that arrow of him and you know the straight-edge version and you know the version of him now. How has he changed since you started a smoking drink? Since I sold out.

He's a chiller. I think I think growth for Brandon was has been a good thing and letting go of old things if it's you know

whether it was people or a lack of habits I don't know a lifestyle whatever I am so happy and proud of this Brandon for finding continuing to

find himself. Thank you. So I'll take drinking and smoking, Brandon, because I did that too. Okay, perfect. I know the way to connect. Yeah, right? Well, that should be. It should be something where like, you know, if I wasn't comfortable with myself still, I feel like I'm just like, cool, cool with myself. Good. You know what I mean? I feel like everybody should be that. He was pretty uptight for a long time as well. We've talked about this. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Just calling I'm out. This industry, I was very uptight. Dude, I was very uptight.

Yeah. I'll take deep breaths, Brandon. Yeah, take a deep breath. Mm-hmm. You didn't. You didn't used to. I didn't breathe. It was like a whole tour would go by and you just like, he was just on high vibrations.

Just fucking watch out. He's coiled for four weeks. Oh, yeah. You got to breathe, man. Yeah. And he does. Breathing through. Breathing through.

The industry bummed me out. Let's breathe. We talked about this. The industry ruined all the sacred things of this music for me. I got sick of having to be compared to every other fucking band and their numbers and what they do and this and that. I don't give a fuck. It also fucking ruined listening to any other band. Yeah.

Any other constituent of us or like any, even friends bands. Like our friends band will put out a record and I'm just like, it's good, but fuck that band now. They wrote a good record. them. You know what I mean? Like the fuck. Fuck all that shit. Yeah.

Yeah. When did you, uh, yeah, what age did you start doing that? It's like, you know, just fucking breathing or just, uh, kind of letting go and stuff and being comfortable in your own skin. What, uh, what age was that for you? Like. 30 something. Yeah.

Yeah. 32, 33. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly the same. Yeah. Yeah.

That's the, uh, that's the, uh, that's the, uh, that's the, uh, That's the return of Saturn around 30. Well, I just feel like, you know, a lot of people talk about their 20s. I mean, you interview. I'm sure, like, you're, like, asking ages of bands that you interview and they're like, holy fuck, you're 23? Sure. Oh, yeah.

What the fuck? Like, that still happens? It's weird. But it's like, dude, like, 20s, like, my 20s, like, people always talk about, oh, your 20s are supposed to be the best. I'm like, fuck my 20s, dude. No. I got to 3-0 and I'm like, this is the best thing ever.

Yeah. Fuck, yeah. I'm the happiest I've been in my life. Mm-hmm. took 38 and 39 you know you guys we're at same age like 32 33 stop being so uptight you know and really perspective I was coiled man yeah I felt it like I was I wasn't even I wasn't even like good with like myself like I hated the way that I was feeling and I hated the way that I was projecting it onto my band you projected you don't know but but you you project what you're thinking

and feeling to the people around you yeah absolutely I think everybody you kind of does that sometimes to, you know. But back then, yeah, it was fucking stupid. And I knew it. I was also keeping like mental issues to myself too, though. So that was a little rough. Yeah, you got, you got to tell him, man. Well, yeah, now.

Yeah. Only to be 20 years. Not when I'm putting out the truth, which was the most definitive metal record of the, whatever the fuck, it's like, what the fuck are you writing about this shit? I just took it way too serious That's just what it was

We just were like We were just like a A freight train though for years Where there was not time to reflect on Oh my happiness Or what you just kind of kept going Yeah It's your opportunity

In your moment Right like just go You just kept doing shit Yeah And you guys didn't really have a road paved You know Like you know bands You know it's common place now

of, you know, bands with, you know, siphonic stuff and keyboards and blast beats. It's very common now, like metalcore and black metal, but back then it wasn't... Yeah. Yeah, but do they still perform it live? True. No? Where's your fucking player?

Yeah, you gotta have someone play it. Play the shit, man. That's what I'm saying. Play the shit. Even if you have other tracks, like, play the shit. It's an instrument. And it does shit.

it and you can play it I listen to it like it's weird now listening to bands every band now has backing tracks of symphonic keyboards or whatever the fuck like almost every band now I saw two bands because it sounds good

it sounds good yeah yeah I saw two bands this month in particular and you know I'm constantly ingesting new music I'm seeing bands I don't I wouldn't normally go to a show but I was curious and there's one band I was like interesting okay

And there were some really cool, they were playing their hit. And I was like, a song I like, okay, a song I like this song's dope. And then there's some really cool verses, like really cool, like high, like clean stuff. And then the guitar player were to stop in the verses. And I just like, just like dancing. I'm like, I was like, I was trying not to hate what was happening. It was like, dude, it's been 20 seconds and you haven't played a goddamn thing. Was it playing though?

Yeah, of course, yeah. So it's the track. I would much rather see play it, but it's not sound as good. Or always play with the track of something. I was like, damn, stop, man. I feel like a live performance has to sound a little bit different

from the fucking record or just listen to the record. Yeah, I was like, shit. That was like, that was probably the first, this happened this month, that's probably the first time in a while. It's like, huh, you're not playing a whole verse. At least play something.

What a fuck, man. Yeah. That's really disappointing to me. You got, you got to play your parts. You know, it's not a, it's not a crunch. Well, you guys are the anti, though. Dude, you guys are, we're not, we're not an example. We play in Indonesia in May, and you guys didn't even have campers, right?

No. That was a straight through. That was a show them, that made you get campers, yeah, but that was true to me. You guys are the truth. Thank you. No fucking click. None. But to earn his credit, he, I call him the human clock.

He's really good. He is literally the most, I don't know the other drummer that is so in time. He's kind of a freak. He's also so nice. He is. Don't say that up, no. He is such a nice guy. Yeah.

So friendly. I love him. I love him. But that fucking show, man, we're playing Marshalls. And, yeah, you guys had the Kemper's. I was like, and Mark went home, like, we're going to get quad boys. It was Marshall Head. Yeah, it's all.

Yeah, with martial heads. Look how fucking big, that fucking stages. That was ridiculous. Where was that? Oh, shit. Oh, yeah. We were right there in the side. Watching you guys.

I forgot how big that show was. I went to the... Stage was so big. I saw you guys from, I went in the front of the house and it's like, sat back as like, my life's kind of cool. This is cool. I'm in a whole other part of the world watching a band I used to watch and I was a kid. It was fucking. It was like a crazy...

That was fun. Also being there with friends too. It's cool as fun. It was just cool. It was. Good time. That's like the best thing about, at least for me right now, is getting to still share these moments with like bands and friends.

Like we played like a lot, like last year, a couple years ago, we played a lot of shows on Earth. It's really cool. Like, it's cool to be able to share this fucking shit with these bands and people that you have history with. It's cool. Have you? I didn't see this.

You haven't? No. No. Actually, no. I haven't. I've seen. Maybe I have. Just trekking through the humidity.

Sweating. I don't watch. I don't watch videos of bleeding through. Why? I don't know. Okay. I was there. Yeah, I lived it.

I was there. I'm cool. I lived there. I was there. Do you, in your coil days or your uptight days, did you, did you like, obviously you run into these people later on, right? Did you ever, like, go up? Do you kind of like?

Make a mess. Yeah, I wasn't that much of an asshole. I just wasn't the guy that really hung out much. You know what I mean? Like, I just was isolated, you know, a lot. So it was just a thing. But no, I've had discussions like playing with unearth and playing with bands like, God forbid.

So it's like dudes in God forbid or like, you know, like, I like this version of Brandon. You know? It's like, we were always scared to talk to you before. Like that bums me out that people were ever scared to talk to me. That's all I can talk. That's why I just tried to present as incredibly friendly. Yeah.

To counter. This is making me look really bad. No. No, this is good. It's making you look human, which might make you look bad. It wasn't. Humanizing. It wasn't like you were like that all the time.

But there were times when you were. You were not like that all the time. No, not all the time. No. Sometimes you. were who you are. Yeah. But it was shit like there would be great shows and I couldn't even see it.

Yeah. I couldn't acknowledge how awesome like those times were because I was just so fucking stressed out about everything else. But that still happens. It still happens. But on such a smaller level. Yeah. And I can also, I also can recognize like if I'm feeling that way and to make sure the band doesn't feel how I feel. Yeah.

That's really important. You are good at letting us know where your head is. And we all have each other's backs, you know. Totally. Any anxiety runs amongst us all. That does not go away. No. But having like, knowing you're in a safe environment to cry.

John's crying? No, I usually call John when I'm crying. about bandshed. John's the go to, or me. That's cool. Or we're recording and. Yeah. But again.

Oh, my baby. Oh, my God. You're babies. Look at my child. Had some then, has some now. Oh, that's sick.

Oh, you did uranium, huh? So, yeah, the story of this is we showed up on, we showed up, this was an, This was an off day on OzFest 04. I never watched this either. 04.

And we showed up to Jersey, played Hellfest. And we show up and what was her name? Julia. Jesus Julia. Their producer comes up, meets us at the airport. Not her. And the producer goes, hey, you're hosting this uranium special at Hellfest today. And I'm like.

We were on Ozfest. Yeah. So we left Ozfest for a day. off to go to hell to go to hellfell and they're like you're gonna do hell fest for uranium and I'm just like what like no one told me literally no one got off an airplane someone literally literally said hey here's a mic like she's not going to be here you're going to do the hosting and then she's going to be like home and they're going to go back and like what this thing is oh what so I was doing this right interviewed a couple people then all of a sudden somebody in the band comes up and

goes hey Marta's keyboard's gone and Ryan's bass is gone and we're and I'm like well guess this experiment's over and I literally was like guys I got to take care of this I can't do the show so it cut short in the show which whatever they filled it with like

whatever the fuck but I was supposed to be like hosting and interviewing bands and shit and like but what happened is that they picked us up from the airport and the dude that was driving the bus helped put stuff in the back of the it was like a little closet Yeah, closet thing. In the very back of the limo bus. My keyboard, Ryan's bass, went in there, show up to the gig.

We're still doing the interview. Yeah, we realized that the fucking, the dude didn't shut the door all the way and it just fell off the back. Oh, no. Yes. Keyboard, gone. On the freeway somewhere. Gone. Somewhere in New Jersey.

Oh, it sucks. Mm-hmm. It's weird because they made it seem like she was there. Yeah, they did. at the cut ins and stuff, but no, like, I only interviewed, like, two people. And then I'm like, okay, bleeding through crisis mode again. Let's go. That's bad love.

That's talking about bad luck. I'm sorry. I mean, I could be honest. It'd be really cool. It would be really cool to be able to do the rest of it, but I was fine. I wasn't prepared. These stuck a mic in my face. And I was kind of like, I don't really want to talk to do this.

So did they tell you, hey, you're going to do something for fuse and uranium? Did they tell you that at least? just when we showed up at the airport and they picked us up. Wait, what? Are you serious? Literally, they're like, hey, can you come over here quick? I'm like, yeah. And they're like, well, she's not here today and you're going to host it.

And I'm like, uh, what? You didn't get a hit by like your manager. No one. Even our manager did not let us know. There was a weird or worst part of this story, actually. I forgot about it until just now. So I think I filled out like a, a, it was a document, like, for the cops.

It was like a, you know, like a missing item. It was a police report. Like, hey, if you find my keyboarders, I don't even remember what the fuck it was about. But it was a police report. I put my info on there, my address. Which is both of our address at the time. Yeah. And they showed the police report without.

blurring all the information. So the address was just like out there for like, yeah. Oh shit. Right? What was it shown on here? Yeah. And I don't remember how, I, whatever social thing it was, but there was like clearly like a freeze frame.

Yeah. And a screenshot, I guess it would be of my address. And it was like posted on something or our address, whatever. It was posted on this. But people like, yeah, what a weird thing. Yeah, it was weird. Oh, no. Just the whole thing, them picking us up in this, like, limo van.

I'm like, what are you doing to us right now? The coolest part, though, was that Andrew W.K. was playing the next day. Yeah. And he used the same exact keyboard as me. And so their stuff was already there. It was like just pure luck that that same kind of keyboard was there. Yeah.

It was fucking luck. What the heck? And then flew back to Seattle or whatever for the next Oz. I can't. Wherever we were. Bought a new corg and the keyboard player from Demud must have showed me how to program sounds. I'm like, this is perfect. Thank you so much.

He blessed the keys. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, because it was like a totally different keyboard than anyway. That's a mustace. It was. Shit luck. Yeah, it was. Because as a fan and outside, you're just, oh, wow, they've probably got hit up.

It's pretty cool. I mean, not everything is as cool. I mean, it's all cool. I think all the journey of, I mean, even looking back, that story's cool. In the moment, wasn't that rad. But, I mean, looking back, like, it's cool that we got to do that. It's dope. Whatever, we have a story to tell.

There was no road for your band. There was no, your band had only that stuff. Why is only you guys? I mean, there was like comparable bands. Like, you know, Darkest Hour on Earth, we're bringing it to Asily Dying, stuff like that. But none of them had that symphonic stuff. Now, they all do, but no one plays it live.

It's very, I mean, it is 100% true. But yeah. It's kind of weird. No one, who does have a keyboard player? Under oath. Under oath. Make them suffer. Any Euroband.

Sorry to chuck it all together. Yeah. Again, bleeding through, still doing it. We're doing it. First. It's staying true. We try. We try to.

That's cool. That's a thing. The effort is there. That's the thing with this band. That's always going to be there. That's never going to be cheap and it's never going to be lessen. It's never going to be like something where we take a night off. There's no, like when we're up there, like, it's go time, man.

We see it that way. Yeah. That's great, man. I got to be so bad right now. R2P2? You only had one beer and I have to be it. That's just getting old. I mean, you could go and we could keep it going.

I'm chilling. Or you could hold it like a man. You know what? Your wife wouldn't pull over for you to pee. Lindsay would not stop the car for me right now. No, we've... We could have a... No, dude, I'm good.

No, let's both hold our pee. Yeah, I'm doing it. We're good. Let's hold our pee for... Let's hold our pee and have... one more beer and down it. I'll just fill this bottle. Oh, dude. Let's go.

Stumb and dumber. Should we down here? Stumb and dumber. Let's kick him back on a grandfather's cop, sir. I think. Give me that beer. I think this, I think this, celebrate putting it through being pioneers and still being pioneers, we should down a beer and hold our pee.

I can do it. Just to prove that our era is better. I have to prove myself. I'm always down for proving. Yeah. You had me to prove yourself. I don't drink, but I'll, I'll, I'll drink, but I'll watch. watch you guys. Okay, thank you. You down that water.

Shut the water. Hey J, can we get a wait one, two, three, four, four beers? No, wait, oh, three, three beers. I have, I'm right here already. I was, I was already ready. To pee or to have a beer? I was ready to hold it. Both, both. Because I got a P2, but I have a, but you're professional. You're a professional. You're a professional this. You've done a few of these. A few, a few, a few times. Holding peas, holding farts. They start rocking back and forth. On the screen ready to Yeah, he's on it, dude. Oh, Jay, Jay's awesome, Harry.

Harry. Oh, there you go. Oh, hey, uh. No, is it, it's like zero zero. Yeah, these are actually zero. It's not like a weird. They're not like one point, whatever. Diba loves those, right?

Yeah, he does. There's a new one. Thanks, Jay. Loganitas made a hazy IPNA and it's good. Do you know that, did you know that Marda owns a bar? Really? Yeah.

Oh, we're at. Up in Dublin. Nice. Yes. Yep. It's pretty fun. Me and Dan Kenan gotta go there and drink a lot. Please.

And you got to come sign our drum set or our drum, like, lights we have. It's, you know what it's called? You'll appreciate this. I think only musicians get this. Because they tell anybody else and they're like, oh, cool. And they fuck up the name thereafter. It's called the back lounge. Nice.

See, but you get it. Cheers. To putting in through and having a keyboard player. Thank you. Thank you. That's sick. Are we really chugging it? I forgot.

Done. I'm just that good at chugging. Oh, Garza, come on. All right, we'll stop then. I'm struggling. All right, I'm horned up. Let's do some push-ups. How was I the older?

Do I have a drinking problem, everyone? No, you're a singer. You have big lungs. I was depressed with myself. I haven't done that in a while. You're picking through sick. That was yummy. Thank you. Is there a, I mean, thank you guys for your time.

And also, thank you for having us. Opening up. It's cool. Absolutely. Tell your story. Brandon, we, you know, we, we see each other pretty often out there. I see you out there, bro. I love it out there. I see you out there.

Is there something that? I don't even text you anymore. I just know you're going to show up. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I'm just around. You're around. I'm there.

Is there anything about bleeding through that you'd think. needs to be out there. Fuck. I think I'm an open book, so I think I've said. What do you think? I feel like I've said everything. We're pretty transparent. I don't know.

I definitely felt like Martha never really got like, Martin never really got like that the credit. No. No one really talks about bleeding them through and you, just holding down the keyboards, you know? Thank you. No one really talks about that. Well, they need to start because this record is all her.

This record. I hear, I hear, I hear to singing too. Thank you. That's awesome. That's fun. That's cool. We definitely, I mean, I don't know if I can speak for everybody, but I'll get in the ballpark.

We fucking love this shit and we love each other. And like we have a really, we love our fans a lot. You know what I mean? It's something that like there's a certain like romantic feeling with bleeding through, at least with me in this world that we live in. Yeah. I just think it's such a great thing. You know, our music might come across.

scary and negative or whatever but it's just a release of emotion and sometimes that emotion just comes through dark you know but I feel like we like we really consider like our fans and stuff like part of what we have going on like we've been a band that is I felt been like a tweener band you know what mean like we how we started this conversation was like yeah we tour with a f i we toured with all these bands and we get different people from different like walks of life to like our music you know what I mean and um honestly like all the people that really like grew with us and stuck by us and our hardcore fans and we we just love the whole process like it just is um we're just very appreciative you're nothing without your fans you're just some

person playing without fans. I don't really like when people say we write, they don't consider their fans when they write music. I don't really like that much. Because to me, like, I want our fans to be extremely proud of being a fan of bleeding through. You know what I mean? Like, it's, this music is written, yeah, for us. But really, this is like a vessel for other people that need this in their life.

You know what I mean? Like at least the message or can find some sort of like safe place with. than the music. That's been like, I feel like the goal with this record especially, I think that's why we all kind of see it as like this emotional thing because we put a lot of fucking emotion into it.

And we're also really funny. People don't think that. Yeah. Guys, you understand that? Really funny, man. I believe it. You know it. I believe it.

But yeah, I don't know. Anybody else? What do you want people to know about bringing through? see the BT fans as the new guy like they're just it's been amazing like they've been so inviting and they're so warm and genuine and it's like it's it's it's been just amazing just traveling and meeting all of them getting to hang out yeah i love the i still love the band and you know we love the fans and bleeding through always stood for something and that meant and means a lot to a lot of people and i think we're just going to continue that you know they keep a

going. It's a privilege. It's not a given. It's a privilege to do it as long as we have. And I think the longer we get to do it, the more grateful I am that we get to. We get to play. We get a right. I love these people. I love playing shows. Don't burst the bubble because I appreciate it. And I want to keep doing it. Have you guys ever thought about like the like a bleeding through? there's only like bands that you kind of have to, time kind of has to pass and you kind of have to live like your life. You ever think about that bleeding through it means, it means something else now?

Like it means so many more things than just like the band name. And like once you see it like the logo to name, it kind of represents being a leader. It represents growing. And it kind of encompasses other things other than a band name. about that when I see art band logo. It just represents, I don't even see, I don't even see Sudassons anymore.

I see, like, you see, like, the failure. You see, like, being a leader. You see, you know, sadness. You see happiness. You see, perseverance, strength, weakness. You see, it kind of, it's all, like, all, it's all, like, everything. For sure. And your band, I think, is also in that category where you guys,

your band's been through so much, and you were, you were in front of a genre, also pioneers of it, and still and still paving your wrong way is kind of you are in that same category where it's like it says it's not bleeding through. It's like if you look at it, it represents. It's a fucking tribe, dude. Yeah.

It's a culture. Yeah. Like that's what I feel like we've built that this culture. Like, you know what I mean? Like definitely transcends. Yeah, it transcends abandon. Yeah, it does. I think even just like

when you add a. up years to your name and it still has worth or value or growth or whatever. There's something about like it's like a badge of honor. We've been around X amount of years what done, you know, it's like, yeah, it's like accomplishments to me. It seems and I would say when I try to think about it, we have accomplished a lot. That is an accomplished band. We have experienced a lot. So I think of it like that. Yeah. Well said. Yeah. No. And still, I'm still accomplishing, you know. That's the goal. Yeah, me, me and Cece loved to watch your band. Thank you. Thank you. That's awesome. Yeah, they're like, he just, like, just have a lot of passion. Exactly.

We try to give a good show, you know. Yeah. They're like, they're like, They have passion. We do. Like they care, you know. She doesn't. That's right. You know, she sees a lot of, you know, heavy bands because I'll drag her to shows, you know. She's like, I like seeing bleeding through.

It's cool. Thanks, C.C. I love that. Yeah. I call it, I call it the, uh, the secret sauce. Like, what, it's like, you can't even put a word to it was like, what is, what is that song? What is that record? What is that live show?

Is it like, it's something there? It's just. I don't know. It's just us. Like that's the thing about like what we are is we're so ourselves. And through all the years of people trying to pull us in different directions or whatever the fuck, we stayed ourselves. And it's like to me, I can't really categorize what we are. We're just fucking bleeding through.

Our shows are different. They're not. It just everything feels different. You know what I mean? It just feels like our own thing. That's why it's, you know, we were talking today. It's like we say no to a lot of shit. like you know what I mean like we get we turn down some festivals here and there and

sometimes I'm like I don't want to just be another fucking band on this incredible fucking lineup you know what I mean yeah like if people in you know fucking Kentucky want to see us play like let's book a show in Louisville and we'll fucking headline you know what I mean we'll do it proper and it's like I think because of that mindset we embrace we embrace what we've built as a band. We embrace the fan base that we've built. And we want to do right by them all the time. You know, I think when bands come back, oh, first show back and

Hey, Eddie, listen to what I'm about to say right now, man. So when bands come back and do their first, like, their comeback show as a festival, what are you doing? I mean, they were dope. I love all show Paris. Sorry, Eddie. You're going to fucking hate me now. No, that's not.

No, but I'm saying it's slightly disappointing. Sure. Like, Throwdown coming back and playing shows. I don't want to see Throwdown play a festival. I want to see fucking throw down play a fucking club show. And have it be fucking heavy and mean something to everybody there in the crowd. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Feel that fucking vibe. Like, I don't like, I just don't. I just, I don't know. We came back and played the observatory. We played our own show. That was our first show. It's just like, I feel like, Build something like all a lot of our older bands like we all built our own thing like be in that and love that and lean on that

You know what I mean and it's like I feel like if you do that you're gonna be fucking stoked and happy all the way You're not doing shit you don't want to do like if we don't want to do shit like we will just not do it Maybe isn't like always the smartest for trajectory but what the fuck do we care about that Cool we sold this many whatever No one sells anything, but this many streams and we had this many people at fucking this show and that show and we sold out this venue. That's all fine and well and I'm very proud of that. But on Monday morning at 6 a.m., I'm going to my fucking gym and opening the doors. I'm training people.

Like that's like life. That's life life. You know what I mean? So it's like be it present at where your band is. I feel like the one problem that people have now is this grass is greener mentality where it's like no, even what we post on social media. It's not that dope. It's dope, but I make sure it's the dopest clip of the show. You know what I mean?

And it's like, just be good with what you are. I think that's just what bleeding through is. We're so solid just like what we are. You know what I mean? Yeah, I should do it. Just do one festival show. We're doing festivals. We're doing Sonic Temple.

Oh, really? Yeah. Perfect. Done. Let's go on the day with corn, bro. That's what I'm saying. That would sick. Can I borrow your jacket?

Yeah. Fuck this. It's, it's, it's, other room. Yeah, wait, let me see. Can we look at that for a second? Okay. There you go. Yes.

We're playing the first day. Thursday. First day, yeah. Oh, shit, yeah. Kill Switch, Ginger. Nice. It's perfect. That's a cool stage.

Fuck yeah. It's a great lineup. That's dope. Totally. That is. But do you know, it's like bands would kill to be on this lineup, right? And I feel sometimes bad being like, well, you know, it's fucking cool. But like this is dope

This fucking festival is gonna be rad I do like playing some but when it When bands like ours are like doing a lot of Only festivals which I find that a lot of like bigger bands like oh we just do these festivals I don't personally like going to festivals I don't necessarily like I don't necessarily like watching bands at festivals Like the first band I watched at a festival in like a while that crushed it to me was gojura You know what I mean? Yeah, but you just

Oh, they were mesmerizing you just some you a lot of times just see like a watered down version of like what a band's true vibe is and I just don't feel like our vibe translates at fucking 2.30 p.m. during the day when we're like this goths out band wearing fucking makeup and shit and you're like we're getting blinded by the sun and you know

what I mean it's like one of those things we're like this isn't what we do but selfishly festivals are are fun in that they're often a reunion of sorts yeah you get to see people that's the best part about it yes you get to

possibly see some some peoples for sure yeah but also a lot of those people won't have never seen your band and i and i and i understand that too and that's a part of it that like i i we take we take away like yeah there's new people seeing our band but like i definitely do want more people to listen to this band why wouldn't you want that why wouldn't we want our fan base to grow why wouldn't we want but like playing shows just for exposure as a band that's been around for 25 years We're good. Mm-hmm.

We're good. Yeah, you value your worth. We've done such crazy fucking tours. If we're not the biggest band right now, which we're not, it's not going to happen. You know what I'm saying? I can list the tours and I'm just like, are we failures? Because are we? Like, you know what I mean?

Like two Oz Fest, fucking warp tour, Slayer, Manson, him, Avenge Semphold. Like, what else do we need to fucking do? Yeah. Those days are just... Census fail. Yeah. Like, we were so... Yeah.

Yeah. Dude, it's like... AIFI tour. We did it. Like, we built, if we got from all that stuff, this cool little... This cool fucking following that we have with loyal fucking fan base that they fucking come to shows and our shows are fucking rad and they listen to our band. And they're really fucking great. Yeah.

But, like, you know, doing shit for exposure, like, I'm good. We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good. Your band's... your band is paid, especially at a festival, you're kind of paid to do a job, I realize.

Yeah. I think we're actually in a similar... Are you not entertained? No, you go, you bring energy. Yeah. You bring, your job is to bring energy. No matter what, you know, we're on the same boat. Yeah.

Like, okay, playing at fucking 3, fucking PM or something. We haven't been on the same boat yet, though. We could be on the same boat. I don't think we're going to survive that. No, I understand that. I feel... A new baseball player after that one. Dude.

That's hilarious. I love dude. Yeah. I love my band. They're fucking sick. We love your band too. We love your band. You guys are a fucking sick.

You guys are all fucking sick. I'm very, we're very glad that we've all become friends with you guys a little bit closer and stuff like that. Hell yeah. We could have been doing this 20 years ago. Yeah, it wouldn't be fun. Yeah, true. You would have hated me. No.

No, you wouldn't have. You might not. Yeah. Somebody else might have. You wouldn't have. Yeah, I like, I like, I like, I like chaos. Give me, give me the weird artist guy. Yeah.

Give me the weird artist person. That's what I like. People don't like Chris Barnes. I love him. I fucking love that guy now. I love that guy now. I won't even go into depth about that, but he's come up so much lately in conversation, and I don't know why. Really?

I think it was because he was on Garza podcast. No, just the past, honestly the past year, I've been seeing a pop up just randomly. Okay. Chris. He's just there? He's in the algorithm. He is. I'm convinced that the algorithm is us.

What is happening right now? Yeah. Cool. So, you know, if you're posting, especially if you're in a band, you're posting, you are the algorithm. Absolutely. You're what? You're the algorithm. Are we starting a revolution?

Yeah. Can we call it the algorithm? Oh, that's cool. The algorithm. That's a very beautiful, innocent way to say it. And I really appreciate that. That's sick. My God.

That's sick. The dad jokes forever. I can't not. What's up? We could close it off with... Another shotgun? No. I'll do one.

I'm going to piss my pants right now, for real. Michael Jackson bad. Hold on a second. Okay. Number two, right? Let's go. Yeah. So anyway, John posted this thing where he had, like, records that meant a lot to him when he was a kid.

Okay. And one of them was... Oh shit. Right? I don't even know what this is, but it sounds vaguely familiar. Yeah, and then you posted... Definitely bad. Jesse Cook.

Oh, yeah. Right? And then the boy watching number, and then you posted Michael Jackson Bad. Hell yeah. You said that was Whitney Houston on there? No, he only did three. And there was... What were you jamming like back then?

So that was, you were jamming that record. When is back then? Yeah, bad for sure. How old? So I was like... What's the age group we're talking about? This one is. I discovered Metallica when I was like a 10 or 11 and that changed everything and justice for all because I'm that old

Black album changed me yeah when the black album came out I was pissed because I was I came on board I'm old enough to have come on board when I was like 10 11 on injustice you know what I mean and and then the black album because like I went you know I was the only kid in school that well me and my twin brother and like one other dude like we're the only ones that listen to Metallica then all of a sudden everyone's like oh I like Metallica now because we were like the Satanist, you know. And then they're like, and then they're like, he still are. The black album comes out.

People are still seeing that. I'm still angry about that. No, I love the black album. I mean, who can't, like, after a while, you have to acknowledge that it's sad. God, why the fuck do we talk about Metallica every single time? I didn't say it.

I did. That was my fault. I, because when I was like nine, I was listening to that on a Walkman, just like. burning it out. Was it the yellow one? Yes.

And you clasped it and it like walked in. Sure. Come on. A year and a half in the life. Come on. I know. And then the disc men. Did you have the disc men after that?

Fuck. Yeah. You got to have that. Had to add that latch. Yeah. What's the most non-metal cassette that you have playing on a walkman? I have mine. Probably like the Phantom of the Opera or something.

Oh, nice. Yeah. Sick. I bought Will Smith Big Willie style. That shit was heavy. Bobby Brown, my prerogative. Definitely had that one. Had that tape.

Listen to it a lot. That shit's heavy. I danced to that as a little kid. Power, power pop, dude. Dude, Bobby Brown. Bobby Brown. Yes. Holy shit.

It was awesome. Look at that fucking dude. So he did a love to. Look at that fucking cover. Kim, that's a cover. We need to do individual shots. Please. That would be sick, dude.

So Bobby Brown did, uh, so we're, Actually, I was just talking shit on 80s earlier, but what I do like about the 80s. This shit, that shit was way better than metal shit. I need one. They have a keyboard player. They have a keyboard player. They have a keyboard player.

She looks like she's playing. Like, this just looks so fun. When I was like a little kid, like this just looked fun to me. Give you a good 10 seconds. It's pretty awesome. I was talking about this stuff about me. Why don't they just let me live?

Tell me why. That's up, dude. That song is heavy. Oh, you want to know something about bleeding through? We could all sing. I had no idea. John can sing. John can sing.

We all sing a lot now. Everybody sang on the album, except for Derek. And I bet you Derek can sing. I fuck. I bet you that motherfucker can sing. I just don't know if I could ever watch him sing. I know. Look at that, Kitar.

That's a, that's a, that. But the song, the Bobby Brown song from Ghostbusters? Yeah. I don't say Ghostbusters. So his, I found out about Bobby Brown through Ghostbusters. Oh, yeah. So sick, dude. I don't like him as a person, but come on that, damn.

I just have to. I got to do some of research. Well, Whitney, he's, you know, that whole. He was married to Whitney. Oh, yes. Oh, I don't know. They're just huge druggies. And, like, didn't care about their daughter.

Oh. She died, dude. Yeah, that's sad. 20s, dude. Really? Not that long ago. Yeah, like, I think after mom died, right? Yes.

Yeah. Hot mess. Yeah, it is just a tragic story. That sucks. Of talent. Yeah. All right, I got one more question. Good.

And then we could go piss. Yeah. How does your band feel seeing the bands come up? They're playing like a similar style that you guys been doing. That's cool. For like over two decades. I mean. You know, like.

What's interesting is a lot of those bands, and I don't know how, but like, almost like none. Some of them don't even know who the fuck we are. That's weird. That's weird to me, but also it's like, dude,

we've been around for so long. Some of these bands have been around for like four years, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's a whole other band. When I see, like, bands like, so for example, like make them suffer. You know, we took them on our Australian tour with us once. Really cool band, keyboards.

Very influenced by bleeding through. I like what they're doing. I think a lot of the bands that have like that, my only issue is they've got to commit to the instrument. It's not just a background noise. Yeah. And a lot of these bands, just use it as like this background noise.

And it's like, we've always kind of pushed it up in the forefront a little bit more. And I wish that bands that had that element to their band would make it more part of their band. Because to me, like bands like DEMUy Borgier or Cradle of Filth and stuff like that. Like you, it's a present.

instrument just as equal as like guitar, bass, whatever the fuck. I feel like a lot of bands that have the element that use a lot of that, bury it. Mm-hmm. I don't know. Yeah. You just got to earn your spot up front. Yeah, exactly. Gotta fucking play that shit.

I don't know. I'm definitely proud of it. I love the fact that like, you know, we've left a stamp on like this music, whatever this music is. It's just fucking... It's a cool. It's a cool. Thank you. It's a big stamp as well.

It's like these stamp. It's cool. It's just, yeah. I think keyboard or not, if a new band can bring it live, that's where I'm hooked. Because listening to songs in your car, whatever, on your headphones is like, that's good for like half of it. but if if I'm gonna fall more in love with a band I want to see their show I want to believe what you have written I want to believe what you're playing and nothing kind of like what you were saying like nothing disappoints me more than knowing and liking some of the music and then seeing like I'm pretty let down sleeping on stage I'm pretty let down a lot a lot. I can't do it. Yeah.

I think that's why, you know, I love metal. Metal is supposed to be intense. You're supposed to fucking be vibrating. And if people are ho-humming on stage, I can't do it. I might not even like, I will like you less if you aren't authentically bringing something. otherwise just don't play show. Just release music. Agreed.

I agree. Fucking play it. Play it. Play the fucking shit. It's just different. Even if there's some sour notes, show me. You wrote it.

Let me hear it. We fuck up all the time. I don't know if Brandon ever fucks up. He's pretty. You're pretty locked up. We're going to fuck up in like two hours. We're going to do. Okay.

But I'm gonna love it. We'll get all the fuck ups out now. I'll give all the fucks up. So you all right? You guys are jamming later, right? Yeah. Cool. You have you sure tomorrow?

We do. Sick. Fucking liquid metal, bro. Jose. Oh, dude, Jose. Sick. We just got a shotgun like two or three more beers. It might be insane.

Yeah. It might be insane. It's a small venue. It's 20 bucks. It's tacos is an open bar. So fucking a. I was just like, dude, bleeding through.

album release show. I just want to be like a house party. It's a party. I want to party with some of our hardcore fans and friends celebrate this fucking bullshit. That's a party. It is a party. It is. It should always be a party. Yeah. It'll be a party if you're there. You coming? I can't know. I'm my, we'll see.

Boom. Boo. Boo. Idiot. Filth. Philth. Swide. Rubbish. Rubish. What a poser. I've heard they were poser already. Yeah, I run a lot.

You never have. Thank you. You bet. To close it off, you know, I've been a fan of your band for a long time, so it's cool to, so I always told Brandon when I see him. He's a fucking asshole. You like, tries to get me all emotional and shit. I love it.

I've been, like, a fan of your band. It's cool. So, yeah, your band has done a lot for, for what's, if it was, if it wasn't a bleeding three, it would be so many more. bands there will be so many bands there wouldn't even exist you know and a lot a lot of bands should give you guys a more a credit but uh but that's why but that's why your band still here and you got to just just just remind people thank you thank you we'll take your credit yeah dude your credit's worth a lot it's up there dude might be there might be the up there

his credit score is exceptional yeah pioneer face it's cool thank you dude without bleeding through and uh All right, so new record nine Out now, cool, go out and jam it It's fucking black metal, right? It is. It's very dark From the forest.

Thank you for the darkness, man. Of course. Hell yeah, hell yeah. You're welcome. Thank you for letting me be in your band for our 40. Yes, you're good, man. You're filling in tomorrow.

You're fucking in. I'm in. Thank you, bro. Thanks so much. All right, everyone. That's it. Later. Thank you.