Garza Podcast - 184 - PSYCHO-FRAME: Deathcore, B.C. Rich Guitars & Not Quitting Music

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

Garza sits down in-person with Mike Sugars & Aiden “Dave” Bessent from deathcore band PSYCHO-FRAME. https://bfan.link/SLITFOAGMSPONSORS:Sweetwater - https://imp.i114863.net/rnrmVBDistroKid - https://distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF!Patreon - Coming Soon!CHAPTERS:00:00 - Background // Atlanta HQ06:42 - Mastodon // John Mayer13:05 - Meshuggah Aura14:59 - Separating Art From Artist16:34 - New Album19:19 - Going All-In23:21 - Meeting Wife on Tour25:29 - Dapper Monkeys28:18 - Potato Cannons31:32 - First Concerts Attended // IN, GA36:03 - Gentlemen’s Clubs39:33 - Getting Grounded as a Kid42:30 - Starting Guitar44:30 - Not Quitting48:40 - Starting PSYCHO-FRAME54:39 - B.C. Rich Ironbird59:05 - Weedeater Band // Cough Syrup1:02:17 - Smoking MJ1:06:49 - Riff: No Revives1:08:39 - Riff: Dave & Garza Chug1:09:46 - Riff: Garza Learns Tapping1:12:08 - Playing Difficult Parts1:14:07 - Church of Scientology1:17:55 - How the Band Met1:28:57 - Riff: Garza Freestyle

Psycho Frame, thank you for your time. Thank you for being here on your day off. Yeah, dude. Thank you for having us. We were super excited. Same. Yeah. Yeah, thank you for a, I like putting the option into the other person, like, because I am heads up.

I am feeling a little bit sick. So I feel bad. Like, I don't want to hide and I'm sick and then I get them sick. So always, always have, if you're going to hang out with someone, I think you should give them the option. Hey, I'm sick. You still want to hang out? Yeah. Because I don't know if they're, you know, sometimes the thing like there might be a posse or something.

So I'm like, you know, so. Well, we're not scared. And honestly, like, if it's not going to be like you, it's going to be like just some drunk fucker at the show tomorrow. True. Like, it's just going to happen. It's going to happen eventually. Yeah, it's in your immune system. Yeah.

Right. And, you know, I'm just chewing on rocks trying to get that immune system up. Chewing on rocks? Not really. Oh, it's holy crap. Are we, are we chugging? Oh, it's sick. Just so people put a voice in the name of Mike and Dave. Hello, Mike.

Fuck, yeah, dude. Hello, I'm Dave. I apologize that I wasn't at the show. I didn't want to be that guy. Because I know after, you know, after a beer, like, I know, I'm hanging with everybody. And it's steams on everybody and coffee everybody. And this is, you know, I don't want to do that. It was, I mean, it was a long one, too.

It was nine bands. So, man, that shit kicked off at, like, 3 p.m. went straight to midnight. Like, it was long. Three, three, midnight? Yeah. It was, like, running behind and stuff, too. You know, he got all those changeovers, stuff like that, because it's two tours meeting up. It's at, upon a burning body headliner that they're dealing with, like, King A-10, Left to Suffer.

Other bands are escaping me. But yeah. It's a lot. Then there's our tour, so. I definitely don't want to walk around that area at midnight. No, no. They had a good hot dog spot, like just a little cart right out in front of the end. Those little carts, dude, they get me.

Dude. If I leave and there's, we need to get a hot dog cart on the, yeah. If there's, if there are certain, how do you say this, there is certain ethnicity, I get really excited. It was the real deal. Oh, cool. If they're, like, Mexican and they're selling hot dogs, dude, at that first show, I love that. It's so good. It looks just like that.

It looked just like that. That's it. It was a bacon-wrapped hot dog, loaded up, peppers onions. Yeah, dude, the stain of steel fucking the tray, the whole thing. And it was amazing. That might be that same lady. It might be, actually. Have you heard the rumor about when you eat hot dogs after a show?

Have you ever heard that rumor? No. It's if you eat a hot dog after a show, especially from a cart, it goes, for some, reason it goes to your muscles and there's some some kind of chemical compound and and uh muscle building hour i was kidding i i don't put me on i'm trying to get jacked i always say if i should it goes to your muscles this is this is a joke okay i thought you're dead ass no no i was yeah i was in you can honestly i'm a jackass you can kind of just tell me anything and i'm like yeah fuck yeah let's do it Well, Mike, where are you from?

There's actually not a, so Psychoframe, there's not a, I keep seeing your guy's name, and there's really not a lot of information about you guys out there. Yeah. There's that one or two interviews that I popped in. I'm like, this is it, okay. Yeah, now, we haven't done, like, much of anything. So. You guys start in 2023?

Yeah, okay. 23. We started, like, really kind of like putting shit together, like late 22. that was like you know first demos stuff like that and um we're kind of all over the place so like dave he's from savannah georgia and i'm from indianapolis but i live in st louis i've been there for like the last like almost four years now so yeah did you move there for your wife yeah okay got it because you've been married for what like four years yeah it'll be four in september congratulations man yeah four of four four of four

Or your marriage. Yeah, it's fucking sick. We just, we got a house like two years ago. Got a dog, her name's Halo 3. She's the fucking shit. Okay. Yeah. Which is dope.

You name your dog Halo 3? My favorite game. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. I named my cat Leo after the Ninja Turtle, so I'm not. Bad ass. It's sick.

Yeah, it's badass. But, yeah, I mean, so, like, we are from all over, but, like, Atlanta is HQ. you. Yes, but then I saw Atlanta. I'm okay. I know they're from they're from every other state. Yeah. So where's so how do you figure out that home base? So like everything the band does musically like all the mixing, mastering, engineering, it's all in-house at digital ghost audio. Oh yes, yes. So that's that's Hunter Young, Brandon Lopez and Hunter and Dave like they're the primary

songwriters for us. Cool. So it's you know it's all at hunter's house and Atlanta's like honestly the most central location for all of us because like our drummer Leo he's in Brooklyn. He's in Brooklyn right? Yeah yeah yeah and our other guitar players from Orlando so it's just kind of like yeah fly in you know let's

let's do this we're gonna start tracking or we're doing music videos you know because like we just did a bunch of music videos before this tour and stuff yeah sounds kind of like a nightmare to organize A little bit. A little bit. And then, of course, it's like, we're all just at Hunter's house. So we counted while we were there because we're all hanging out and everything.

And, like, we're doing the videos and we're, uh, we had a long era of Super Smash Bros. And just like, you know, just tearing up. But we counted it up and we had 11 people in the house like for like two weeks. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Just fucking raging or what? Yeah. You're like thinking about it.

Oh, wait, yeah. Yeah, pretty. What were they even doing over there? Yeah. No, we were just fucking shit up and having a good time. So, yeah, so we all go to Atlanta. We do our thing there. That's, you know, that's, we rehearse there and everything, too.

So, like, where we usually rehearse is, man, I forget the name of the spot, but the dudes from Mastodon own it. So that's like, that's like where their HQ is. Oh, nice. Yeah. Denver City rehearsal studios, I think it's called. Yeah. Cool spot. So, and, you know, this past summer, when we were there rehearsing one time, they were there.

And I should have put it all together because I saw, like, a big palette of Mastodon stuff. Like, it had their name on it and everything. It's a giveaway, I think. Yeah. And I saw also the coolest, like, 80s Ford F-Series, like, just murdered out all black sitting out front. and then their guitar player came out and I was like and he saw he saw me recognize him and he's like you okay and I was like I was like sorry I just thought I recognized you I don't know I don't know right and he yeah he was like this is my spot like I was like oh it's not our first time here

like maybe I've just seen you here before and there's like a pause and he goes I'm in mastodon and I was like I fucking knew it but yeah So that's, that's, uh, that's where it all goes down for us. Wait, did you not know? No, I do. Was it Bill? It was Bill. Yeah, he's more, it's more late.

And then it's cool. It turns out that's when, uh, they were, uh, they were doing the lame of God thing that they had, uh, put out, like, just after that or something. So, okay. Yeah, it was cool. Just like, looking at him. Yeah. I know you, but I don't know you.

Exactly. Like, so I, like, typically, like, have, like, a hard time, like, recognizing members of bands and stuff. Like I, I don't like just like see someone off the street and I'm like, that's you. You're the guy. How old are you?

32. Okay. So are you just like jamming records? You're not looking at like photos. You're not looking at like you don't follow anybody. Like I don't, yeah, I don't really like, like unless I know them, I don't typically like follow like people like like like. It's kind of healthy.

Actually, it's kind of a new way that that's how it should be. Yeah. Like, there's like a couple. Like, I follow John Mayer. I love John. Sure. Yeah. You know, I'm never going to meet John, you know.

You never know. I really hope. You never. I really feel like we'd get it off, but. I mean, apparently he fucks with, like, metal and shit. Of course. There he is, man. I'm telling you.

We would chill. Well, let's put it out in the ether. Hey, John Merritt. This psycho friend needs a show. I'm fucking with you, John. You to go. No, you'll probably see him. and not, who are you?

Oh, that'd be so good. No, I do love John Mayer, but yeah, I don't really, like, follow, like. That's kind of healthy, I think. It's kind of a healthy way to... It definitely... So you just, so you're just listening to the music, and that's it. Pretty much, and I'm not, like, a music video guy, either. Like, I don't really care.

Like, when a band puts out a new song, I'm not going to the music video. Like, if I know it's on a streaming service, I'm just like, I'm just going to listen to it. pretty probably inspiring for you guys to do videos right like a little a little i don't think any of us like really like videos okay then then what what were you watching in your teens then so i what were you in my teens for sure okay headbangers ball okay the whole you know the whole vibe um and like we were watching like i mean when i was growing up it was you know we had we had white chapel we had hate breed we had suicide silence we had you know i saw like uh winds of plague videos a mirror

videos course you know stuff like that under oath you know a lot of the stuff that was just kind of like unavoidable it's like very of the time it's right there yeah yeah so that that was what we we were like really into back then but i don't know as i got older i just kind of stopped caring about it and i was like i'm just here for the music it's kind of silly it i'm so like yeah that's that that's how it should be it's this it's just about the music yeah like and yeah i don't know like i see i do see cool music videos like all the time like i'm like that was really cool i don't watch it a second time i wonder if that's age you know i'd rather hang out with my kid or not then then follow like a music video it might be you know you know i'm 32 i'm not old but

been around you're dying tomorrow yeah thank fucking god so last night what was your last show uh he uh the last video that blew that I watched that blew me away was uh that fallen in universe video

it was uh the one where he uh it comes out as like a it was out of the mountain the volcano there was a I think there was a volcano there was like a demon Alex Terrible was in it uh I think he was the mountain demon yeah I was like wow

that's the last video I watched I like sat down on and I was like looking oh wow okay that's cool you know that shit costs so much to do yeah I was like that was my you know that was my second thought I wonder how much that shit costs that that does not look cheap no too much that that look like okay this is out of like the 90s or early 2000s like budget you know yeah this is the dark night rises this is a whole ass movie yeah shout out to ryan that that's a sick fucking video it's like that's crazy you know when you're just like Especially when you're older, in your 30s, and you get like, wow, wow.

Yeah. That's fucking sick. Yeah. Congrats, man. Yeah, it's fucking sick. Dave, how about you? Were you avoiding videos or what's the... Kind of neutral.

I was kind of excited to do some videos. Never done anything like that before. So, I mean, I'm not super into music videos personally. I'm more into, like, if I'm going to watch a video of a band, it's going to be, like, a live video or something. Okay. Like, some, like, 90s. acid bath live same asadon live

videos I'm watching the musuga like Glasgow videos and stuff oh yeah for sure Glasgow is it like a special show or something just some like full set like of them playing you know some big fest

or something like from like there's like a 2019 set and I actually could be getting the city wrong some German shit but you know All right. Oh, I think it's that one.

No, it's not Atlanta. It's, yeah. This one. The bloodstock, that's what it is. Okay, so it's not nothing. Like, you're, like, jamming, like, live shit. Yeah, like, I like watching shit like this because, like, I think this band puts on one of the best live shows. Do they've been bringing out lasers now?

Yeah. Holy crap. And, like, it's cool because, like, they're not moving. right but like there's damn call them out dude like they're older you know like i get it but like i'll be there tomorrow but like dude like they just have like this like stoic just like we're fucking mushuga yeah about them yeah and i'm like you are you're fucking musha gonna that's it that's the goal yeah just just just get to a point where i could just be like yes yeah yes yeah i'm fucking here dude and you're just letting it happen yeah you're just like

Here I am. I got it. That's a dream. Yeah. So, the bar, Domazas is just head banging. So cool. Just being killing our bodies. Their aura is insane. Yeah.

Oro farming. Yeah. It is an aura, huh? That's a great way to describe a band. They have a really good aura. They do. Oh, yeah. That's a good aura.

Nice. Yeah. Some bands are bad oras. And that's cool, too. Yeah. I like it when I hear that someone's a dick I don't know there's somewhere along the lines

people started complaining all she's an asshole she's he's an asshole I'm like who cares yeah who cares they're fucking they're music they're kind of supposed to be an artist

yeah they're cool awesome they're not who cares yeah and there's like there's that argument of like separating art and artist kind of thing and I do like yeah

I super do yeah I have no expectations for like what someone is or how I think they're supposed to be. Yeah. So I'm just like, yeah, it can't hurt my feelings or change the fact that I love this record by them.

I know. It's like, what is that? We're just having this, uh, we're just talking about this one subject how like, I think most people are separate the art from the artist. They just don't know it because they never really, they never really been purposely put into a position where they're like listening to the music, but this is who this person is or what they supposedly done. Yeah.

It's like fucking Morrissey, you know. Yeah. It's like, yeah, he's like a bastard, but like he's also the shit. Like he made so much good shit and you're just kind of like left with it. Or a Kanye, you know, obviously like crazy, kind of like lost the plot. But like, yeah, I don't know. It's fascinating. Yeah.

I wonder if he's trolling or not. I don't know. I think he is. And I think he's just fully bought into it a little bit. But I also think he's crazy at the same time. That's what you call commitment. Yeah. You know.

Committing to the bit, bro. Yeah. You guys are committed to being heavy. We are. Try. You guys put out, when a song come out, feed? Yeah. So that was like, what, like three months ago?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we got to plug it. Yeah, man. So we put that out like three months ago, two songs. You know, it's no revives, breathing napalm. Yeah. They're sick.

and we're getting ready to roll out our first record very soon. Very soon. Yeah, so we have a song dropping on Wednesday. Oh, this is coming up. Yeah. Yeah, we're moving fast. Yeah, it's okay, they put out, okay, they started out music to us in 23. Got two EPs, then they put out this feed.

I was kind of wondering and naturally when's the... Sure, yeah. Now, and these, the two songs on feed, those aren't even on the record. Oh, great. We're just like, here's two. songs that we really like, you know, that we were like, could be on the record, but we just wanted to start putting stuff out. And we got, so we have a new second singer's name's Colter. And we are just like, we just want to get something out with them ASAP kind of thing

and just be like, here it is. Please don't jump the wagon now, you know. And no, it's been super cool and like people really latched on and like it you know did well on youtube you know got a lot of the the react videos and stuff like that so but yeah we're we're rolling out uh LP very fast so we're we're trucking along and you know we're on this we're on this tour we've got mad other tours coming up this year oh great yeah so sweet water when the band is anything for a tour or We need something here for the podcast. Sweetwater is where we go. The other number one online retailer for pro audio and music instruments.

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or something and you're kind of struggling to accept how far in are we going to go you know where where are you guys at now we're all in now cool yeah congrats yeah no we're we're super excited and like yeah i was super hesitant because like the band was just meant to be like something we make for fun and like I was kind of like convinced I was going to be a civilian going forward I was kind of ready to get out of the van and then they pull you back in but yeah no we started the band put out that first EP people liked it and we were just like let's make another one okay and then by the time that we're like starting to put out that second one that's when like body's snatcher and spite like they they reached out and said here's a tour offer and then we got uh we did some of the shows of the dying fetus headliner last year so they hit us up around the same time and i mean when we first started we were like man it'd be sick if we played some shows with fetus because that's like that's that's that's that's a lot of the well that we're pulling from sure you know

um we love that band so we were like yeah we played dying fetus that's that's the end goal right and it was one of the first things that we ever did, which is so cool. Yeah, for me, that was like, I can just die now. Yeah. That's cool. And they were great to tour with.

Trey Williams is the goat. That's Dave's dad. That's my boy, bro. I miss that man, bro. He's dope. Yeah, I got pictures of my phone of those two, of him and Trey just hanging out. Dude, yeah,

I'm just fascinated. Did. Shotgun and white claws? Yeah, bro. You guys are just living in life. Yeah. He would just sit me down and like, remember he showed me a whole entire episode of I think you should leave. Like in the venue on the stage, I'm like trying to move shit.

He's like, hey, check this out. I was like, is this mad funny, bro? Yeah, dude, he is a fucking trip. He's so awesome. And yeah, so like we did stuff like that. And even with the spite and body snatcher, thing we only did like the first week of the tour and again we were just kind of like we don't we weren't trying to take this too seriously stuff like that went and played those shows you know

before we started this tour this band's only played 20 shows yeah uh and that was all in 20 24 and just those 20 shows we were like shit they like it they like it and it's not bombing it's not bombing you know that it was kind of that was the the test run kind of thing and and it went well and we were like shit we could really do this and now then we link up a sharp tone you know they start we start talking about like what they want to do with the band what we want to do as a band and we were like we could really fucking go for this thing and like make it cool and make it what we want to be so we're doing it trying how is that conversation with your uh with your lady um um scary

You know, it's like, going to be not home a lot. And I was like, yeah, yeah, for sure. But no, she's mad supportive. She's great. You know, she's an artist as well. And she's, you know, working with a lot of people. She does a lot of songwriting for people and stuff. Oh, nice.

Yeah. So, like, her, the biggest thing that she did last year, she did a co-write with that Bad Omen's Band. So cool stuff like that. That's crazy. Yeah. So she knows what this life is. So she gets it.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, she comes from this too. So because whenever I met her, I just told Leo this story the other day. But I met my wife when I was touring with my other band, Church Tongue. This was in like the while ago, right? 2017. Yeah. And, you know, we're just on tour by ourselves.

We're just DIY as hell. and we went to Springfield, Missouri, and her band was also on tour. And then, like Pacific, was doing some routing dates between whatever tour they were on at the time. Yeah. And the promoter was just like, I'm just going to merge all of you,

because you're all hitting me right now, and we can make a cool show out of it. Met her there and kept running into her for like a whole year. and then I married her. Well, I keep seeing her, so it's getting married. Yeah. Yeah, you keep showing up, not even asking for it. So, yeah, no.

So, yeah, I mean, like, it's scary to be like... How'd you ask her out? How did I ask her out? She responded to, like, some video I posted on my story, And it was like of my band playing to fucking nobody. And she responded and my response that kind of like sparked the conversation that just went forward. No text, just a picture of a snake with human teeth with braces on them. Okay.

And that landed me a wife. Congratulations, man. Wow. That's your game, bro. That's it. That's it. That's the pick. It's just like a famous picture or something?

I don't know. What did you find that picture? What are you looking at? Dude, my algorithm is finely tuned to some cursed shit. You've been working hard at it. I have. Yeah. I've got years in this thing.

My Instagram reels are A1. It's awesome. What's your guys' explorer page? So it ended up on our video wall last night. Right now we're real. on this monkey with a crew cut and he's always like suited up and like wearing

sunglasses and shit I know it's on here because it made it to the Instagram story for sure it should be pretty late in the in the order okay no word

I'm working to find this thing dude there he is dude what the hell is that he's fresh as hell oh wow you've never seen a monkey that fresh no it's this isn't i don't even know where this monkey resides it's either some it's somewhere in the

middle east because all the all the text is always something that's giving middle east oh yeah it's like a it's a other language sometimes you come across these like reels and they're just it in it completely they're all in like a different language like wow i can't even read the comments because everyone commenting it's it's yeah it's coming up there's a full-screen version coming up there no that's the chicken What are you guys putting on on that screen, dude? Yeah, there we go. Okay.

Look at this motherfucker, dude. He has a suit on. You ain't never seen a monkey that cold in your life. That shit is fired, bro. Why is that monkey wearing a suit? Dude. Cause he's badass. So there's like a whole dedicated page to this.

And this is, that's a dude. Like, that is the closest thing. That's a person. That's the close. closest thing to a dude a monkey has ever been it's a person do you believe that's where we came from that's what we evolved from kind of i could see it look at that man i see myself in him so i i can feel it i hope to one day evolve into this this is what i want to be when i grow up well we probably can just take some mushrooms yeah it's like oh i feel i feel one you know that's

like a real theory is that like monkeys ate mushrooms and that's what triggered That's the theory, right? Yeah. Forget what it's called. Some hippie shit, I don't know. Yeah. Is it most soil made out of mushrooms? I don't know.

I'm sorry, I apologize. Not mushrooms, but fungi. Most of the ground is like just a giant interconnected fungus system, I think. Another theory. Not even like weird conspiracy stuff. That's like, no, that's just a fact. It's a fact. We're going to have some people scooping up.

Dirt. Trying to find the source. I used to eat dirt when I was a kid. You do weird shit. Five years old, he's getting dirt. You eat it. Oh, yeah, dude, mud pie? Mud pie?

Yeah, bro. Make a little mud pie out of the... Get the hose going. Is that really a thing? Yeah, you just make a little mud pie. And you're like, all right, one day I'm going to try this. But for now, I'm just going to look at it. Damn, I was just making potato cannons.

That's badass. Yeah, dude. We used to... Me and my neighbors, we used to... get like, I don't know where these PVC pipes came from, but we would get in my friend's garage, take a PVC pipe, put a bunch of like, I don't know, WD40, something flammable in the back end. Okay. Throw a potato in there, launch it off, and we record it on my stepmom's digital camera.

And then my parents would find it, and then I'd be grounded. And I'm like, what for? Like, for being fucking sick? Sorry about your grounded for being cool. Yeah. Yeah, it's like videos of us, like, skating off my neighbor's roof and stuff. And I always got grounded for stuff. I'm like, okay, what do you want?

I'm just chilling. Did you have, did you have YouTube back then? Holy crap. Yeah, dude. Is that what happens? No, we didn't get this far into the science of it. Oh, my, damn. That will blow off your dick.

Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, we ran away when it happened. We should do this. We should do this today. Fuck it out. Yeah, we could probably find some PVC in L.A. So you get PVC pipe and you get, what's the fluid? We were doing like WD40. Anything that we just knew was flammable and just heavily spray that shit.

And we were just like, all right, the theory is, if I light this on fire, it's all going to combust and shoot the potato out. And it did work, but it's not like it really shot out like I can. I'd get like 20 feet out of that thing. You know. It's still, that's, that's a, that's across this fucking room, dude. Yeah. We were doing science.

We were starting something, but. That would hurt somebody for sure. Oh, that's scary, dude. That's so cool. We got to do this. This is so cool. That one looks efficient as hell. Look at that.

Damn. That's efficient. That should be me. Well, you could quit the ban and do this full time. This whole thing is a best of it. A full time. potato launcher be sick this whole this whole thing is just a vessel for you know how old were you when you're doing this i'm like 12 13 something like that i'm trying to get the foundation of us

this is like jackass era okay yeah so like jackass and jackass two are like real big at the time so we're skating and we're doing shit like this and i so like where i grew up i grew up out in the sticks um like probably like 30 miles south of indianapolis so we we we have we have you know the kind of venue to be doing shit like that oh okay yeah so we were fucking shit up but then then i got into high school and that's when i like started like finding music and going to shows so then i just went to shows instead what was your local venue there were a couple um some i know your familiar with Emerson Theater. Oh, Emerson, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I went to the Emerson a lot. Was that, like, your spot? It was one of them. So it was like Emerson. Emerson is like where you would go for like the big shows. So like one of my first big shows ever was like, it was a mirror winds a plague, all shall perish, the ghost inside was opening and terror was on it too.

the local opener though is a contortionist death core era because they're from Indianapolis oh yeah

so this is like yeah yeah way back when I always feel bad like like going there because I always feel bad because bands will talk shit on it

and I'm like man like even you don't like it just like the cool shows happen like yes the bad The bathroom is like unbelievably horrendous. Like one of the worst ones I've still seen to this day.

But like the cool shows did happen there. And like a lot of that shit like, I mean these are these are the formative years for me. That that slanted floor. Yeah. The whole thing. I saw. I was. Psycho friend.

There it is. I would. I would all day. I would play Emerson today. Just to It's still open, right? Yeah, it's still going. Some way, somehow.

I keep hearing rumors, it's going away, going away, but that was fucking... Oh, dude. That was 15 years ago, brother. Dude, even in just the last 10 years, it's almost happened like eight times. It's, like, owned by... The hands that it has gone through is, like, four different people. And just the last 10 years, new management, new owners, staff, the whole thing. So, like, I don't even know anyone that works there anymore.

And they'll hear rumors, too, like, all down they're going to renovate it. I don't know. I don't know what you can do. It's apparently renovated, but I've never noticed. Hmm. You know, I was going down, you know, leading up to the podcast because I was like, I saw suicide silence in this venue. And I was, like, trying to remember what the show was.

And we've been there a lot, dude. And it was with, I know Barry your dead was on. the tour and this was when Mike Terry was the singer. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, but one of the big takeaways was this is when you guys were just about to drop, no time to bleed. And I remember, and I remember after the first song, there were a bunch of girls grabbing Mitch

while he was up front. And after the first song, Mitch was like, can you all stop grabbing my fucking dick? Yeah, people only knew how something. them these females reacted shows back then they were to start grabbing dude yeah yeah it was strange speaking of barrier you're dead that flyer that says orifice

that was like one of my first shows I think it was like 14 oh holy shit that was kind of stacked bro that was in Savannah Georgia yeah look at this thing I got knocked the fuck out to barrier dead and I was like what was the venue I like Dave this place called

Ships of the Sea Museum it was a it was like a It's in downtown Savannah. It's like a weird, like, boat museum. It's a boat museum? But outside, they have, like, a really dope stage with a really good sound system and shit. It was cool.

I think they still do it every year. Sorry for my geography. How far is Savannah from Augusta? Augusta? I think it's, like, an hour and a half, two hours maybe. Okay. Did you ever go out there? Every now and then, not a lot.

Okay. I was either, I mean, go to, like, Jacksonville or Atlanta Oh, okay It wasn't like a lot Going on in Augusta I see Okay, that makes sense

For some reason we I don't remember ever going there But people always went to Augusta Hmm Bands always went there It was like a thing It was like Not talking shit on Augusta

No no I mean I don't think there's really shit there That was technically my first trip club Really? Yeah That's awesome In Augusta Yeah

Well that's rough brother Well, my first strip club, I wasn't even inside. Like, I just turned 21. And I was like a thing. Okay, let's cross-hirt just go to his first strip club. So I remember trying to walk in at the strip club, showed up my ID. And like, dude, look, he's like, no, dude. I probably looked like a child.

I was 21. Like, child. And I remember like, but then, you know, I had kind of looked in and saw some girls' titties, dude. some grown woman's titties. I was like, wow. But it was never like, I was never a strip club guy. Same. Oh, we were talking about, I think Jay said to me, how many times it's a lot going to

the strip club? Because I said, I haven't been a lot. I've been like under 10 times my entire life. Same. He said that, that's a lot, dude. For real? Yeah. Because I know, I know motherfuckers that go to strip clubs and they'd do a lot.

And they'd be like. It's like a part of their like. routine yeah they get they have a weekly visit you know something like that like they've been hundreds how do you have the money for that i don't know i don't know that that that that's on like some addiction shit or something yeah man i sure yeah i never uh got a prospect before i never pay for a lap dance none of that i can't i i never even wanted to go inside it's like okay this is where everyone's going oh okay i get scared when you're like a teenager you're like oh shit i wonder what it's like i mean i grew up like literally maybe three minutes washing

from the Savannah strip club. Of course you did. So it was like, you know, all my buddies would just like walk past it all the time and be like, should we try to go in there? And then we get scared of shit. Yeah. Keep our heads in. And you're actually going, you're like, this place fucking sucks, dude.

Yeah, dude. It's dark. Yeah. Physically and spiritually. It's dark. Of course, yeah. Dude, and I know you've played pops. So you know about the strip clubs over by there too.

Yeah. Damn. What the hell going? on i've been the pops a lot what grandma doing what the hell is this picture bro grandma's sit is that savannah that course it is bro that's your neighborhood is that that can't be that doesn't look like the savannah gentlemen's club oh that's probably temptations why is it called gentlemen's club i've always kind of i've always wondered i don't know man ain't no gentleman up in there why is it called that man i don't know that it has to be something you know how like you like pull up to a gas station

and it says video gaming inside. It's just slots or something like that. It's got to be some kind of loophole. Some, yeah. That's like, we don't have gambling in this state, this, that, or the other. And then everyone just, like, probably, like, adopted it. We called it a gentleman's club or whatever. So weird.

Oh, that's it. That's the outside. That's the front. Oh, we found it. So busted, man. And there's Dave in the corner crying. Oh, yeah. Let me in.

Let me in, please. Mom picked me up. I'm scared. Is that a 18 plus or a 21 plus? I think it's 18 plus. Wow. Even when I was growing up, I never had a desire. Nah, me neither. I never, I never, I was like, when am I going to lose my virginity for sure?

But I never was like, I want to go to strip club or even drinking. I had no, I don't want to drink until I was 21. I drank 421 for sure. Yeah. But even strip, uh, oh, yeah,

I was probably like 16. 16, something like that. I got caught, grounded forever, you know. How many times? You've been fucking grounded. Dude,

I got grounded so fucking much. Like, so I was like bad in school. Like, I didn't do my homework, you know? Yeah. Um,

I was, I was an underachiever. Um, because I was like, this shit is not real. I still feel that way. But, um,

yeah, if I didn't, like, have my grades, to passing, you know, I get grounded for that, I get grounded for light and shit on fire, I get grounded for fucking being sick, you know, shit like that. I've got cold, grounded. Yeah, I mean, like, I wasn't allowed to take days off in school.

I got, I remember I got an award in high school, uh, award, but I got an award in high school and it was like no days missed. Oh, you need you miss any days? I didn't take a single day off. Congratulations. I guess. Even when you're sick? Yeah.

You're fucking going. Yeah. My parents were like, you're going. And I could show up with one limb. And my dad would be like, you're going. I'm like, okay. So. Yeah, what was your, what was your upbringing like?

Well, was, were your parents cool? Were the understanding of like the music or? No. No. Nice. My parents, like, they were down to let me go to shows and stuff. And, but it was like not something they ever. facilitated so like I like just got in with like friends that were like we'll come pick you up

we'll drive out to your house outside of town come pick you up and we'll go to the gig kind of thing okay um so then they found out I was smoking weed with them and that stopped I had to get in with a different group of guys oh wow yeah you get new friends I made it happen that and that and when I got in with the second group of guys is when I like started doing my first bands and stuff like that okay So, yeah, I mean, most of high school is me just, like, kind of, like, trying to escape the house. Yeah. And just be like, I don't know, man, like, breakdowns is all I got. So, yeah.

So this is all I can do. Yeah, straight up. So I'm at the Emerson Theater, just being like, this is it. Do you meet anyone there that you're still talking to now at all? I've got a couple friends from back then that I, that, that, that, that. you know i still keep in contact with i see him when i see them kind of thing um but not a lot not a lot of them obviously like you know now i'm older a lot of those guys got kids yeah you know stuff like that yeah stuff like that so like ain't seeing them in forever and you know i moved away from indiana too

so that makes it tough too yeah dave uh when did you start uh when when did you start playing man i think it was like eight years old eight nice My dad, yeah. I wanted a drum kit. My dad was like, fuck, no, that's too much money. Here's a guitar off fucking Craigslist. So I was like, did he want to hear that? I mean, it was a guitar off Craigslist, yeah.

But, yeah, I was like kind of hesitant at first. I was like, fuck this, I want to play drums. But then, I mean, I don't know. My dad is a picker, so taught me a lot of shit. And eventually I was like, all right, this is dope. And then I ended up learning drums later anyway. okay but yeah i'm grateful for that for sure he's cracked at drums he's a good drummer it used to be you're good bro this just ripping blasting yeah mostly slamming and blasting all you really need did he

really say that it's like hey uh no here's here's uh here's uh here's something from craigslist i mean yeah it just couldn't really afford like a whole big-ass-dress tree drum kit you know like a shitty little guitar is a lot cheaper i yeah i heard people would uh they would rent a guitar i've been meeting people lately that oh yeah people do do that's like 45 bucks rented for like three months or something it's like wow that's fucking sick just to try it out try it i see if it's the one try it out yeah is it's just is sick that's got to be nice that's dope yeah my dad put me on to all like all the music shit man like I mean he loves death metal he loves really like sludge shit he also likes country and stuff so it's like oh

you got thrown in yeah just right out the jump just all right i'm gonna do that all right i'll no i'll do that pretty much well now now you're actually doing that right trying we're all trying i'm still trying yeah and that trying never ends dude i i i don't know where bands like you guys are coming up and i gotta be like oh shit i got to practice no I gotta fucking, I can't, I can't let these young bands take over, do what the fuck, dude? That the fuck. Gotta keep it going. You have to.

And you guys still are. You have not stopped. No. Yeah. I've been debating stopping, but can't leave music, man. I love music. I love the instrument. I love, uh.

Keeps pulling you back. Yeah, man. I was just thinking about this actually, like last week. Man, like the, the guitar literally has given me everything. it's uh it's taken away it's taken away everything but it has also given me i was i was uh i watched the adam d episode uh like a couple weeks back whenever you dropped that and uh whenever you were like yeah i was just like convinced i was going to do this oh yeah i was going to make it happen and he's like that's insane yeah yeah so i bomb this podcast so a little behind the scenes

stuff but it happens sometimes you're just not on it and I was one of the days I was not on it but Adam dude he is a legend he is a legend everyone so some someone man you meet people dude and like they accomplish this accomplish something but it with the complete opposite mind yeah as you and that's fucking fascinating it is it is because like it's so obvious like like kill switch and anything and everything it just kind of happened and like to me like dude this is my goat. Like the, like the,

there was like, there's an, there's an Adam D era of like things he touched. Oh, whether it's Kill Switch. Oh, yeah. The Parkway record.

Oh, yeah. That he did. Oh, my God. That's cinema. That record is amazing. But, like, he did an Under oath record too.

Yeah. I'm pretty sure. I think it was Define the Great Line. I think that's the one he touched. But, yeah, it is fascinating. Like,

like, hearing that and he's just like that that's just not really what I wanted I just kind of ended up here I'm like that's like wow good for you man congrats on the lottery you didn't have to buy you never know man yeah you don't you don't it's like fuck dude yeah I'm very convinced like whatever whatever works for you whatever works for that person if it works for you damn keep doing it yeah damn it dude but it also it's like if you just go for it and you're like no this is what I'm gonna do like again you're like the guitar gave me everything so gave me everything you just keep you just keep strumming that shit keep fucking ripping it dude that's it yeah gave gave me literally it gave me

everything it took away it they killed my best friend but also giving me my dream so it's like it's just fucked up like relationship yeah you know yeah it's taking everything it's giving me everything it's it uh if you have the ego it checks you if you're grateful it gives to you it's fucking it is it's still happening and I'm 39 it's still showing me who I am it's like wow

it's uh it's showed me I'm a bitch it's improved my character it's made me a man it's made me a pussy but everything is crazy it's all no I mean that's that's fucking sick

and that that is like the give and take of like the lifestyle right so it's like yeah it's tough The road's not for everybody. It's not. Yeah. Yeah.

And but like what you can get out of it is, I mean, you can't buy that shit. You can't. No, you fucking can't, dude. And I've tried to leave it and I can't. This is something that's like a fucking, I don't know, like a magnet or something. Yeah. Same man. It sucks you.

I've almost walked away at least three different times. Nice. And every single time, some shit just happens. I'm like, God damn it. I'm back. back that's cool that's what that's what happened with this band so yeah did uh did uh did church tongue leave like a bad tasting like your mouth that you have any like bad experiences that made you not want to pursue the lifestyle or uh no no it was um so we had just recorded something in 2019 and we had

already like kind of slowed down a little bit like we only did like one tour that year like our and then like the last show we played that year was in like November and it was like there's this band from Nashville called Moru and we played their release show and then COVID happened and during COVID Nico like Texas and he's like I just got to ask you to join Knock Luce like should I do it and we're like I'll I'll stab you if you don't like and and like you know they're from Louisville we're from Indianapolis like we're we've known each other the whole time you know um so we are already like we we know those guys those are good people like they will you know you'll be taken care of the whole thing so go do it and then life went on you know i joined a different

band and did a record with that and then psycho frame started and didn't want to do it seriously and here i am sitting next to the coldest motherfucker i've ever known in my life hey man you're the coldest motherfucker I ever made my life. Sick. I thought he said coldest. I was like, is he cold? Not, oh, I'm cold. He's just cool as fuck.

Got those fucking cold slams, dude. Just fucking makes you feel like ice cold. It's evil. Yeah. Evil slam. Was there like a moment that made you guys like, oh, this is like,

um, this is, I'm in, I'm in full time. I don't really know. Probably, probably just the dying fetus stuff. I was going to say that.

We did. It's like the level, like just, I don't know, the fact that they fucked with us as much as they did. Yeah. It was pretty cool to me because those were like heroes of mine growing up. Obviously and shit, it's a huge influence for the band. Like, still, like, the music that we, like, currently write is heavily inspired by dying fetus. So, like, the fact that they took us out and were super cool to us, like, that was really dope. also like just practicing at the Macedon space and hearing Bill like just walk up and

being like man you guys are great oh I'm sick like glad to have you here like Massadon's like definitely like another like hero band of mine growing up I feel like Brent Hines is like a guitar god um so that should yeah just shit like that just when you're when your idols growing up or like I fuck with you that's like all right so gotta do this It's the steam, dude, it's the cosine. The cosine. The cosine. Yeah.

The cosine is always... Look, that's the coldest motherfucker in the world. Yeah. So cool. I imagine being a band that guy. It's part a nightmare. But you get great art. Yeah, dude.

You get great art. Yeah, dude. Yeah, we fuck with Mastodon heavy. And, yeah, I'd say the same thing. Dying fetus. You know? That's cool. Because, like, you know, we were the opener.

uh when we played with them and like dying feet has been around for you know like a solid amount of time and we're like we know we're going to play in front of some older people and then there's the whole aspect of like oh here we go a death core opener you know like the eye roll thing and like people like you know you see the comments you see people you know hating you know this that and the other fuck them didn't translate we i remember we played uh the Black Sheep in Colorado Springs. Oh, yeah, yeah. That was day one for us.

And, man, just, it was so sick and, you know, show sold out. Great reaction, the whole thing. We had just finished our little run of shows with spite and body snatcher. So, and those went over, like, pretty well. But we were also kind of feeling like, this feels a little safe for us. You know, we're a death core band. We're supporting. Sure.

Bigger death core bands. So we were like, we could show up to this and people, you know, fucking hate us. And that just didn't happen. And I would say that tour went over better than spite and body snatcher. And that's when we were really like hunger setting in.

Oh, nice. Yeah. So that was. I'm hungry. Yeah, we were. We were just super excited. And again,

they were so good to us. And like, we had a great fucking time. and yeah I'll tell you what though that fucking drive from Colorado to the Des Moines good fucking God bro how long's that drive

I can't it's got to be over 10 I thought it was like 14 or something ended up with all the stops it was like 14 it was not chill yeah yeah so it says 10 and a half right now but it definitely

740 miles man and you know we're going through all of Nebraska which means there's nothing but wind you know and it smells like cow shit the whole time

you're in Nebraska it's like I just saw wind the whole time yeah and yeah it was brutal but yeah that was the moment and I was like

damn this shit this shit might be real we might really do this thing now we are so this is our first time ever being out west with the band too so like yeah yeah that was our first

LA show last night and congratulations It was great. That's awesome. It was awesome. Fuck, yeah, dude. Well, it was, this is a pleasant surprise.

I should have asked prior to today, but, Dave, you have a quad cortex here? I do. And can we get a, what kind of guitar do we have here, man? All right, this is a... It looks kind of... 1993, BC Rich Iron Bird. Okay. I forget what series it is.

I used to say it on the fucking plate of. here but I took it off. Of course you did. Yeah. Fuck yeah, man. Who needs it? But, yeah, old as shit. Beat to hell and back, but,

I mean, it holds up, and it just looks cool. It's all about drop tuning on a six string. It's hard. Let's get it, it's hard. It's hard to get it down, but when you do, it's dope. I mean, I personally just,

I don't really like the way a seven string feels in my hand. Sure. But I just put a fucking, what is this, like 74 to 15 works 24 to 15 you can still like get all whammed up on it it's not too big it's cool and the tuney is drop sheet correct yep nice what are the uh what are the woods on it you know no idea sick i got this off some dude in malaysia malaysia yeah how you find that facebook group

Facebook group for BC riches Is that like a rare model You can't find out on eBay or like reverb or something I mean you can but it's gonna be like 1500 this guy was selling it for like 600 So I was like Damn I'll ship that

Okay so you bought it and then you got shipped over Yeah okay But yeah I don't know His language wasn't too good so I have no idea What this shit is made out of This is a mystery to me And it's covered in wheel weights now. Why are those on there?

Can we... The neck dive is insane. Yeah, can you flip that? Yeah, it's like... So people on YouTube can know... What is the purpose of this? So, these guitars are notorious for their neck dive. Okay, yeah.

Just went down to the fucking harbor freight, got some wheel weights, slapping bitches on there, evens it out. Does that affect the tone at all you think? Shit, I don't know. It makes the guitar. It makes the guitar physically heavier, so maybe it makes the tone heavier, too? That makes sense in my brain, dude. Hey, I mean, I ain't judging, man.

That's fucking sick, dude. Thanks, brother. I like this thing. He has to. So it seems like he always wanted that particular model. Oh, yeah, definitely. Like, I'm a huge morbid angel fan. Growing up, that was one of the bands that my dad put me on when I was a kid.

Wow. And, like, Trey always played the red iron bird. There's that picture of Trey where he's, like, literally grabbing the strings and, like, pulling them off the neck so hard that it's pulling the bridge up with it. I don't know if you can find that, but it's so sick. He's legendary, man. Trey. He's the shit. We always say Trey's the way.

Oh, that's awesome. He is the way. That's also one of the coldest motherfuckers on Earth. Yeah. but yeah I don't know I guess around like 2017 2018 it kind of became

trendy to get these or whatever did it really everyone yeah like it used to just be like pawn shop guitar you know but I guess everyone just started realizing oh yeah that picture's sick as oh shit is that is that it look at the bridge coming up dude

why is he doing that because it's badass And the napalm death sleeveless, bro. Oh, wow. I heard when you're playing guitar, who said that, Sammy from Goathor, if you do acid, let the guitar, strings for like yarn. Yeah.

I wonder if you thought that it was yarn. He was pulling the yarn from that. Maybe so, man. Those dudes trip a lot, I'm sure. Of course. Yeah, I saw them in like 2018. Loudest band I've ever seen in my life. Sick.

Really? They were sick. For me, the loudest band I've ever seen. It was a weed eater. I've ever seen them? Weeater. Dude. They're so fucking loud.

It's crazy. They play like 150 cap rooms and it's like, it makes you go deaf. Say, man, I forgot my earplugs. Shit. Yeah, we've had the conversations. You know, who's like the loudest, I think I'm mad at war came up a few times weed eater, all right?

It's just three dudes. It doesn't make sense how fucking loud they are. I think you're drinking a beer so that's pretty important. I gotta jam this. Dude, they're just going in. It's weed music bro. We love weed music here. Oh yeah. Me and Dave especially. Something he does that I think is hilarious is he takes a bottle of robutussin cough syrup. Uh-oh. He duct tapes it to his cab and he puts a straw in it so throughout the set he's just like it's so fucking funny it's like what's the purpose of that and make you trip it's like you can get it at a walmart but

if you drink the whole bottle you get fucked up yeah that was like that was like a really popular thing uh especially like when i was in high school like everyone with robo trip this is also when like people were doing like spice k2 and shit you can buy that like the scale A shop. Do a spy? There it is, dude. What the heck?

That's awesome. Robotrip, it's fun, dude. Okay. Whatever. Hey, if it works, if it works for you. I've never done it. I couldn't tell you.

No, I never. Is this a cheese and cough syrup tasting? Trinking cough syrup with wheat hitter. Wow. Oh, my God. This is fucked. This is messed up.

Look, dude, he's a connoisseur. He's sniffing it, bro. Do you need cheese and crackers? Well, dude, cheese and crackers are great. I get it. Yeah, dude. If you're drinking wine or something, it's just, especially with, like, like, a date, it's so sick. Yeah, I go to the grocery store and try and find, like, just, like, new cheeses to try.

Underrated. All the fucking time. It's amazing. God, this. But I never try it with cost you, though. Maybe that's a new. I bet it probably pairs well. Oh, fuck.

Either pairs, but it tastes like shh. Yeah. One of the two. Yeah. No in between. Oh, no, no in between. Oh, God. Dude.

Dude, he's in. Look. Okay, everyone listen to Washington, we do not advocate what's going on right now. Oh, no. We don't advocate this. We only, uh, I only drink a lot. That's what's up. And smoke a little bit of weed.

A little bit. That is valid. I smoke a lot of weed and drink a little. Are you guys? weed smokers or what? He is. Pretty much just me and Leo. Yeah.

And Leo? Nice. Yeah. It's good to have one other person that likes to get high. Yeah. Because then you and that person can just fuck off and be like, all right, where the butt at? Yeah. Handle your shit together.

And then you get the text and it's like, I need ex-ells. But you're so faded. And you're both just getting in the trailer like, fuck. Hey, man. I'm thinking about my life right now, man. I'm trying to. Yeah. I'm just thinking.

It was high of shit the other night when I was. I got that text. I got that trailer organized, bro. You did. Locked in. You did. The weeds. I loved it.

Lock you win? Yeah, for some people, I guess it just kind of fucks you up and discombobulates it. But for some people, I think it locks you in really hard. I don't know. That substance, and that substance in particular really, like, it's from person to person I've seen. It'll freak people out. One of them makes this person focus. This person is tired.

This person has energy. I'm like, it's like, it's all over. the map dude it's crazy yeah so I take it you just chill home just get high and just start playing riffs oh yeah what are some riffs you play when you're high honestly man I play a lot of banjo oh really um if I'm just chilling I'm either playing like banjo or acoustic guitar like just bluegrass stuff um wow I'm not really playing metal riffs in my free time um I guess just because bluegrass is like my break from like

writing that kind of stuff but if I am playing metal wrists I'm just I mean I really just listen to sludge man like I like acid bath you know yeah like I hate God that kind of stuff are you going to any of those assabath shows at all dude I wish I think we're missing

most of them on because of this tour but hopefully they'll do like more shit later on there's a lot of fucking tours we're missing out on Like a lot of good ones, man. Class jaw, poison the well, dude. It's part of the territory. Yeah.

I think I'm pretty sure I missed my sugar. Oh, the carcass thing. With carcass, yeah, I think they were hitting St. Louis, like, right after I flew out, I missed it by, like, I don't know, maybe like a day or two. It happens, dude. This is. Yeah, it happens. It's part of territory. It is.

You know? It is. Like, you leave and some other cool shit happens. So, uh. Yeah. There it was. My pageant's cool. It is a cool spot.

I think I've been there once. It's what it always pops. Oh, that sounded. I don't realize that was hot. So you're in drop G, right? Yeah. Can we hear you think, actually? So that's open.

We got this death button on here too. A death button? Yeah. It says death right there. Yeah, really actually it says death button. And then click it and makes it sound like death. It's pretty cool. It's like an octave.

buzz yeah crazy distortion thing but yeah I don't know and it just sounds pretty cool I put a

I think that's the Seymour Duncan dime time pickup like the dime bag signature hot rail thing nice

but yeah that's so that's passive correct yeah nice I'm all about the passive pickups dude me too

okay I never was a fan of active I never really had to EMGs or anything what you got in there that's uh that's a fair knuckles aftermath sick so passive but modern goaded yeah you can't go wrong you can't use it passive really reacts to your hands

notice like if you play a certain way if I'm sucking it sounds like shit but when you're on it sounds really good you're like it's it sounds totally different by the way you're playing it's so it's active it's kind of like act just more just straight across but passive you could really do whatever you want you actually make it sound heavier if you want this but by the way you're digging in it's the way you fucking yeah it's on the wrist yeah got that right hand heavy as hell yeah for real do you know what i'm gonna put you know what i'm gonna put i'm gonna put it on my hand yo it might it might help we'll see yeah get some um

the fucking wrist weights or whatever yeah what are you what are some of your favorite riffs to play from uh psychophrane lately there's this really tricky thing in our song no revile Okay. That people just kind of stand there and stare at when you play it. Really? Okay. It's like this weird tapping thing that I have to do with my pick. But I'm going...

I don't know. Shit like that. The gates kind of fucking it up. Weird tapping shit all over. Then you're going from that straight back. And then I'm going to go out. Right back into the tapping. It's like I'm just praying to God

When it's time to play that There's a lot of people that don't Like under Like how technical the band is Doesn't come across to them So like we'll see like comments Like saying we're like a zero one band All the time

Oh you guys are not that You guys are not that band No no no no I see it and I hear you guys are not the ones Real band Yeah so You do a lot of techie shit man Like a lot of weird diminished scales

All over the place This is another riff from No Revives But it's like It's just all over the place type shit What kind of scale is that? It's like a diminished scale So just

Okay Yeah, all that shit That thing sounds so fucking good It does It was crazy Damn that thing is nice So I'm an ace I can't check with you

Oh shit unless I can go Unless you took on second Yeah Dude Damn, bro. That is, the, uh... That was cool. The, uh, contrast is sick.

Dude, yeah. What's that real quick? These two sound good together. Yeah, sometimes it just fucking, this mixes well. What's the, uh, I don't know how to, I don't know how to do like any kind of solo or tapping. What's that? What is that tapping part? It's really weird.

So, you're up here on 15 on the, I guess, second string, you would say. Okay. So I was to go. Okay. Yeah. So you're starting on 18. Okay. I'm tapping with my pick.

And I'm going, so I guess you would be three frets up from your first finger. Yeah. So you do. Which is... Is that like a diminished thing, too? Yeah. You're kind of just going down one string and up one fret. So...

Yeah. I guess it's a... It's a little different. Yeah, yeah, we're tuning and stuff, but, yeah, it's like... And you're just, you're just pretty much doing a blast beat. Yeah, literally. Yeah, it's just a blast beat on guitar. Yeah, pretty much that type of shit.

That might be the first time I ever typed in my life. But you did it. Oh, wow, okay, six. Oh, wow. It's fun. I do a lot of stuff like that. Damn, that neck pickup sounds crazy. Is that it?

That's pretty much it, right? Yeah. And is someone else chugging? Or what? No, they're both tapping. It's harmonized. The other guitars, like, up here. Oh.

Oh. You literally, you've got to hit the 24th fret. You have to. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty fucked up. That's awesome, man. So everyone in the band is shredding. Everyone's shredding.

There's no chill. There's really not. No, there's no 100 euros. No. Idiots. Everyone's praying for a one in a zero every now and then. Oh, yeah. When you get a breakdown, when it's just like, when you can just do that, you're like, all right, I can breathe.

But then usually right after that, you got to go right back into, and you're like, fuck. It's a lot. Just praying the whole set. Now, you guys have a lot going on, man. I notice that. Yeah, we keep it busy. Yeah. I mean, new record, it's just more of that.

So like the whole thing was just like how do we push it even further? Because like we already like started off like pretty fucking crazy even on EP 1. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like our first EP was already pretty fucking crazy. I mean, dude, that song's straight jacket after birth. That dude.

That's fucking. That's so hard to play. Bam, baca, baca, bama. Yeah. Yeah. Get into it. That shit is so fucking. and tough to deal with live.

And then we started, dude, yeah. That's the point. A song live is hard. Then we started incorporating all the fucking, like, like all that shit. And now we're starting to go like, Star Wars sounding ass shit. So I was trying to keep pushing it to be crazier and crazier.

It's worth of point. Was that apocalypse? Yeah. Yeah. That was a teaser for. Are you just playing teasers here? He is for sure. Okay, hey.

I'm just kind of jamming, bro. Appreciate that, man. Dave wrote a song on lyrics, and it was that song. So he wrote it Start to Finish every little bit. Can we say what that's about? You can say it. Okay. So, wait, what was that about?

So I was high as shit. Yeah. And Hunter was like, yo, we need lyrics for the song. Like, we're on, like, crunch time right now. I was like, I got you. I ended up coming up with a song about this dude who's like tripping on LSD. And then he like summons some demons.

Yeah. And then he infuses the demons like into this like nuke. And then he uses the demon nuke to fucking nuke. The church of Scientology. Yeah. Or some shit. Yeah. I was like, I got some.

And they were like, sick. There it is. It did. It came out. It's the stupidest shit ever. It came out cool. So you're gonna nuke this. Fuck that place, bro.

Yeah, that's on like the... That shit's stupid, man. That's like the song is like the start of like the second half of the record. And we called it Apocalypse through Lysergic Possession. Achieving Apocalypse through Lysergen. I don't think Achieving made it. I think we just did Apocalypse. All right, bet.

Okay. Where's that Scientology building at? That thing's fucking massive. Is that a real building? Isn't that out west here? That's not a bad. Somewhere around here. Is this a real building?

That thing's massive. Tom Cruise hangs out here all the time. Tom Cruise does hang out there. Are you? We about to nuke Tom Cruise, bro. You can't know. We can't. Tom has done too much.

We got to let him slide. Yeah, he gets a pass. He did the Tropic Thunder Park, bro. Oh, dude. One of the best roles of all time. Lex Grossman. That's a massive building, man. I didn't know that was a thing.

And is that a cross on top? Yeah, it's like, I don't know, man, they're on some other shit. They're stealing Jesus's swag, bro. Dude, I had a friend who... Talk about stealing swag, dude. Yeah. I had a friend who, like, he basically, like, was trying to trick the Church of Scientology into just, like, doing, like, some kind of...

Not like an interview, because there's, like, an interview process for joining the church. Yeah. And it's on, like, it's kind of like an NDA vibe. Like, you're not supposed to be. supposed to have like your phone in there with you or whatever and they're asking all kinds of stuff but he snuck something in and did and had a whole recording it was like a two-hour session and um it was fucked up it was weird they're on some weird shit i don't know yeah you're supposed to walk in there and record like like like confess what you done or something like some weird

shit and then that's what they'll hold against you oh so they blackmail you kind of that's weird as hell That's weird as hell But they're serious They're really about that shit Huh? Yeah they do They watch out for their own The whole thing

I didn't know that building When it's in L.A. Why is it bright blue? It's like they want you to see it It's probably why Probably why It's like a, if you're just listening It's like a baby

It's a baby, It's a baby blue Building This whole thing Sketches me out Look at this Religion in general.

It's a crazy subject. Hard to agree. Yeah, it's a crazy subject. They all sketch me out in some way or another. Yeah. And that's why we have music. Yeah. At least I could trust that.

Yeah. I can trust that music will always be there. And that's pretty much all I got. Yeah. Just music. That's all I care about. Just so we get you guys a story out there. I know there's not really much out there.

there about the band like how did you uh you know how'd you guys meet uh hunter and and meet you want to go first each other sure um so i met hunter when i was singing for a band called vatican also was from savannah georgia yeah and um our bass player was like my friend hunter uh wants to work on some songs with us so we went to his place this is when he lived in florida and it wasn't like that bad of a drive down to where he's lived. He lived off Daytona Beach. So went there, worked with him, and, like, kind of just like a whatever session, not like in the sense of like the songs weren't great, but just kind of like, yeah, we worked

together, you know, kind of thing. And then eventually Hunter and I actually like connected more like almost like a year later. And we played some shows with Body Box and Hunter was playing with them at the time too so like we got some hangout time we uh we played this brewery and uh we snuck into like the cooler and we just like taking beers and stuff yeah um you talking about that southbound yeah dude i love south i don't hear that yeah we got we got some drinks there for sure nice they just give you so much beer yeah they do it's kind of impossible to steal it from but like when we were doing that show, so John Whittle, who was the other original vocalist

of Psychoframe, he was the original singer of Vatican. So I filled his shoes when I joined that band, but when we played this show at Southbound, it was kind of like John's final performance with the band. Like he came up, did a whole song, and then we did the last song together with both singers. and me and John we didn't plan it like really it was just kind of like you're going to come up and we're both going to do it and like when we both when we both got off stage we were like we really did that like that was cool like it was very instinctual like we didn't have any cues for each other we just like we just knew I was like I'm going to back off he's going to sing this whole part or whatever yeah and then by the time he was like I'm done singing this part.

I was already there to do the next thing. And we just had like a natural cue down. And then Hunter had an idea. And they're like, what if we did a band with both singers? And, you know, we start toying around with that. That's kind of just like a whatever like conversation. Yeah. For how, like almost a year.

Just like, oh, we should do that sometime. Like no idea what like direction we wanted to take it musically or anything. Yeah. And then, like, we started hearing about some bands, like, from, like, Florida and stuff like that that were, like, starting up and, like, kind of doing, like, more of the old school sound of deathcore and everything. And we were just, like, well, we were there when that shit happened. And, like, most of these guys are, like, kids and stuff. Non-derogatory, but, like, we, you know, we lived that. So, what if we just did that and then start?

touring around we started getting some of the first demos for a remote godseeker and that was in like the fall of 2022 and then all of a sudden it started happening real fast and you know so we started putting out music i think the first song we ever dropped was march of 23 and um yeah and that just kind of like you know it really caught on on the internet and everything which was it was cool but we didn't like really intend much we were like yeah maybe we'll play some shows we didn't have a lineup yeah we like all we knew is that Dave was gonna like be a part of it yeah and then we were like oh we should just have Mackey from Vatican play because he also knows what this is about and like you know he's he's like done deathcore before and everything too um and then

Yeah. Then we just were like, I guess we're making a second D.P. Still didn't have a full lineup. We didn't have a drummer still. And then our drummer Leo got linked up with us. Johnny from Angel Maker actually sent him our way because Johnny was kind of just like there and found the band right when we started putting stuff out and was like super supportive really put on for us. and like so did like uh spive from chelcy grin like he he really liked the band like from the jump and leo was playing in this other band and he quit and johnny hit up leo and said hey man this band's really cool you could do that and leo messaged the band page and just said i drum yeah and we're like holy shit we're a band like we could play a show now So, yeah, then we started playing shows. You know, we did the spite body snatcher thing.

We did dying fetus. Played the Knock Loose release show for their most recent record, which was super fucking cool. The lineup for that day was awesome because it was us, Trash Talk, Super Heaven, Knocked Loose, just like very mixed. And, yeah, it was great. That's awesome.

One of the best shows ever played in our lives. Oh, yeah. Um, and yeah, I mean, like, our whole thing from the jump was we just wanted to make something that like we were wanting to hear. And like, I don't know, in the last 10 years, like, death gores like kind of branched off into like so many different things versus where it was in like the 2000s. In the 2000s, there were some branches. But it all still, it all still felt like, I don't know if Sam'sy is the word. but like you know what I mean um so like 2010's like things start like really branching off 2020s now we've got all kinds of different shit and we're just like I don't know we just want to bring it back to where it was and what we know from back then and you know it's just like death metal that is also influenced by hardcore metalcore breakdowns and everything and we're slamming too and that's it like it's kind like it's really simplified like what we're trying to do but we're also

just playing like insanely technical music at the same time yeah at this point i can't even really put a finger on what it is like this new record yeah it's in a way the new record almost feels more death metal yeah it's like just more slam or like brutal death metal than anything else I mean, it's still got like the death cord breakdowns and stuff. Yeah. But I feel like it's more leaning towards like slam or BDM type shit. Nice. Just like, I don't know, trying to keep making it more extreme.

Like as we go, I guess. Now that we're done with it and we're about to put it out, we're kind of like, I don't know what to do next. We'll figure out when it comes. What do you do now? Take a little mental break maybe. see play play a play show is going on tours live yeah have some uh some more life experiences yeah that's the hope i mean see where see where pulls you next that's the hope because like for us not

being around very long like by the time the record comes out we'll have a total of two full lengths worth of music out kind of thing but like haven't gone out and like done it in front of everybody that we possibly can. So I'm really hoping we can kind of just do that. Because, like, playing the show is, like, the more fun aspect. Like, creating the thing and, like, doing all of the extra stuff, like, making videos, doing album layout, all that stuff, or even getting to and from shows. Like, that's the work and the show, which is, like, the 1% of the actual time that you spend

on the thing. Yep. That's, it's all for that. And so, yeah, we just want to have fun, play shows on it,

hope people resonate with it. I mean, we really like it and we hope people do. Because we put our whole ass in that thing, you know. You got to put your whole ass into a record for sure.

Yeah. Yeah, that's what I do. The ass. Yeah. What else is there? There's dick, too. There's balls. Yeah.

Sometimes you've got to put all three into a record. Was there a... If it's necessary, you guys would tell me off the pod, is there like a tentative date? June. June? Okay, cool. Fast. Coming up. Yeah, so we put out

the first song in less than a week. And then next one comes out, like, right after the tour ends, I'm pretty sure, which is like mid-May. Okay, so... Sick. Yeah. So that and got standard album rollout, you know, three singles.

There's the record kind of thing. So. Yeah. Yeah. I hope this podcast helps you guys. Yeah, man. I mean, dude, we're just happy to do it. Like, I like the show a lot. I watch a lot of the shit that comes through here. And like, you know, we're, we are a death core band, which means like, you know, you and like at your.

whole catalog, everything you've touched, like, that's inspiration. Like, you know, that, that's where we start. So, like, it's super, super cool to do it. The moment of you two, like, just jamming for a second, I was like, damn, that shit's cool. That was dope. Thank you for that. I learned how to tap. I was like, oh, I'm not going to either embarrass myself or it's going to be really sick. There's no way you've never tapped. No, I'm not, I'm, have you heard you last on this before? Of course. It's chug. I don't, you've never been. around you're like going past through the fret dude damn i wonder how van halen did that

no dude i think that's why that's what we got mark oh fair mark mark mark mark's their riper i just chug and he he rips dude can i actually to a to close it off can i can i play that thing of course bro

please please do i've always wanted to do like a switcher route oh thank you man yeah dude i don't remember i haven't played a bc rich since I was probably in high school I just just drop G

Yeah I think sick dude There's a There's a band called Eternal Suffering They were a big influence on us And they tuned drop G So right when I

It felt like that was Eternal Suffering riff The fuck Damn It makes you want to do that It was crazy Oh shit I got it Wow

Hell yeah It's sick dude Damn Dave Thank you This is fucking badass Thanks man. Those fucking weights, dude. That's fucking crazy, man.

It's so funny. That's awesome, man. Hey, man, it works. Thank you for that. Dude, thanks for playing it. That's fucking dope, dude. I got to try to drop G now. Damn.

Try it, bro. Those are 74s? Yeah, cool. I think this is a 25.5 scale length. So if you, that's probably a longer scale length in it. 26.5? Oh, yeah, you could go a little lighter. This is, that's a 50s.

66. Outward. Dropped you. What's the E string? The E string? Yeah. Talking about the height? Oh no. The, uh. Yes. Oh, we, uh, so it'll be G

and then D, right? Oh, yeah. D. Yeah, what's, uh, what's the, what's the D string? I think it's a 52. At a boy. Yeah. I'm fucking horned up, dude. That's sick. That's like, it's pretty heavy. I might

tune my other guitar to G. See Dude, try it, bro It's fun Yeah, I might Sometimes just jumping into a different tuning Like, it just gives you all new ideas Yeah, yeah

I'm looking for some kind of new Inspiration I've been getting some pedals And experimenting with drop tuning The whole The whole nine I felt I haven't played G

Since 2002 So I was pretty sick Hell yeah Thank you Dude, Of course For For cycle frame

Is there anything that I missed that should be out there about the band anything that a hunter might want out there say, why, why, why do you say that? He'll tear me up if I don't. Perfect. Yeah, yeah, man, I mean, like, we're going to be touring a bunch. Great.

We've got another American tour this year. We've got a European tour that we've got coming up like October, November-ish, end of October, beginning of November. Yeah. It's announced, but the support is not announced. I don't know, and I don't know when they're doing that. So I don't know if I can say who all the support is or who the headliner is,

unless someone else's manager is like, you fucking idiot. But, yeah, I mean, we're going to tour. We're going to push our record. And I'm excited as fuck about all the bands that we're playing with. I think the lineups are cool a lot of them are like other up and coming bands some are

you know some are like bands have been around for like good fucking minute that I have a lot of respect for so super fucking excited about it and yeah man record comes out this summer and we're fucking pumped on it

I think it's the best things I think these are the best songs we've ever done so if people are rocking with what we did before i hope they rock with this um my man does not play zero one i don't know you got to put some respect on his name he shreds um yeah man that hat has a lot of respect when when i what that that one dude that that has to i i have i'm able to take that off since i got it at the fucking truck stop the other day you got at a truck stop yeah that shit is bad ass he was talking about upgrading yeah that was my trial run i'm going all the way hell yeah

well well good luck uh shopping for hats man dude thanks cool i'm gonna need it sick all right so uh new record on in june yeah and we'll try to drop this uh right before so uh so people could uh can find the record and shit so uh dave mike thank you for your time and thank you for let me be in your band for hour and change. Yeah, thanks for having us. This is so cool. Thank you for dealing with me being sick.

Oh, of course. Appreciate it. All right. All right, everyone. That's it. Later.