Garza Podcast - 190 - ALPHA WOLF: Metalcore Riffs, Noise Pedal, Ice-T & Trusting Your Ideas

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

Garza sits down in-person with Sabian Lynch & Scottie Simpson. Guitar players for Australian metalcore band ALPHA WOLF. https://alphawolfcvlt.comSPONSORS:Sweetwater - https://imp.i114863.net/rnrmVBDistroKid - https://distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF!CHAPTERS:00:00 - Writing Easy Riffs05:56 - Scottie’s 10 Years w/ Alpha Wolf08:20 - Summer of Loud 202510:32 - Creating “The Noise” Pedal21:46 - Riff: The Noise Pedal Demo24:54 - Different Ways to Use “The Noise”26:48 - Writing Akudama30:18 - Alternate Guitar Tunings34:37 - Scottie’s First Bands37:20 - Sabian Loves Silverchair43:55 - MONA Museum46:51 - Leaving Tasmania49:12 - Soundwave Festival54:50 - Reading Comments56:47 - Ice-T1:00:24 - Band Name Origin1:02:17 - Trusting Your Ideas1:05:12 - 6 or 7 Strings1:07:59 - Riff: Suicide Silence’s Smoke1:09:46 - Riff: Noise1:13:02 - Riff: Akudama1:15:40 - Riff: Quick Improv1:16:42 - Riff: Bleed For You1:19:49 - Riff: Hotel Underground1:20:09 - Riff: Feign1:26:40 - Pedal Boards, Stage Gear & Live Rig1:33:38 - Tour, Sobriety & Learning1:42:20 - Closing Words // Korn

Alpha Wolf, so yeah, I saw you guys earlier today. Thank you for having me. Always love to have you. Every time, actually. Pretty sick. So you guys were, you guys really real quick and then we'll get to you guys. But you guys, Alpha Wolf was the first band that came in as a whole band on the podcast. So you kind of, so you guys really gave us a shot.

Hell yeah. So, I mean, we're so excited. Thank you for that. You'd be on the podcast. It might have been our first podcast. I feel like you gave us a show. I can't remember how it happened. I feel like you're too connected.

Yeah, yeah. But it's like, of course, we're all going to come. What do you mean? Thank you. I was like, yeah, because sometimes, especially with like music, it's always like, you're always trying something different, you know? Yeah. And for you guys, it was kind of like the helmet.

Hey, how about the whole band does it? Not without, sometimes like, sometimes when you're dumb, it works. Yeah. When you're like, when you're like, okay, no thought. Hey, I want to do this. Yeah. You know, I tell you write music. Yeah.

It's so dumb it works. Yeah. There's definitely not much thought or big brain energy. Just monkey man, you know. Rodin, uh, easier riffs is really hard. Honestly, yeah. It's extremely hard. Yeah.

If it's not feeling cool, like, I don't know. I struggle with it sometimes because I'm like, if I'm not vibing it, it's like, I just want to try it all because it's like, it's all about the vibe of it. It's not about how I'm not a technical, we're not a technical player. We've always talked about this. Not at all. It's all about getting the vibe and the groove right. but yeah it's so hard

if it sucks it fucking sucks and you're just like no I don't want to think about it so yeah I find it very hard but when it's good fucking good you're like yeah it's like where does that come from you know I don't know it's just a feeling right

it is right you know yeah you know if you know you know because you can't force it no when you try to force it that's when it's bad it doesn't yeah if you sit there for hours I mean in in our world at least you sit there for hours working on something

and you think you got it and you have one list in the next day, and you're like, no. This is trash. This is trash. And you just go so deep into it. It's like, they're the worst song. I'm moving back.

I'm moving back to a Tasmania. It's all, it's all hopeless. It's all done. It's all done. I mean, we start some riffs, and they end up a fraction of what they were. Yeah. Keep dulling it down,

dulling it down, dulling it down. And it's like, oh, now it's good. Yeah. Which, like, I want to be a riffy guy, but then I try and be a riffy guy, and I'm like, this isn't me. This isn't me.

It's not you. This is what we do. We have some things like that that's very rare. This is the easy shit's fun, man. On the stage, like, you don't have to concentrate that hard. It just comes to you and it's easy. I like that about it. Sounds fat live, too.

Yeah. It does sound fat live. This is fat. This just sounds fucking fat, dude. Scottia Sabian, again, pleasure. I'm honored to be a part of the band again. It's cool. Welcome back to the band.

I'm an awful. dude. He's a Tasmanian. Dude, thank you for texting me back because literally, dude, I saw the line, I was about to go home. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, this line's too long. I'm going to, like, not see him. I might as well as to just go back. Yeah, yeah. It's been

a crazy couple of weeks for us. What are we two weeks in now? Yeah, two and a half. Yeah. I think, because it's the first time this festival tour has happened, you know, they're still trying to work at kinks and everything. But we're vibing. We're having fun. amphitheaters for the first time today

it wasn't an amphitheater and it was so much fun but um the amphitheater is a weird playing the seats in a metal core band is not cool yeah in the most blatant way it's tough it's hard

it's tough to get a vibe the people that you see like connecting is cool like people are definitely enjoying it but as like a band that plays clubs 99% of the year to not play in a club is like weird

it's a different vibe such a different vibe such a different Like what you're playing is there's like a different reaction time further away. Yeah. Without trying to get like woo-woo, but I was like, yeah. You're like, you're playing the same but also different. You have to keep telling yourself it is thousands of people because it is.

But there's so much room for them that it feels empty. Yeah. It feels like you're playing in a no one sometimes. So you just have to really own in and be like, all right, no, no, no. Lots of people are going to check out my band. after this performance, it'll all be alright. Again, do you never know what people are feeling or thinking?

Especially when you're talking, like, when the crowd gets bigger, the crowd gets a lot bigger, people just want to go and stand there. Yeah. And the funny thing is, I was one of them. I'm that guy. Yeah, I don't know. I went out and watched the show like a couple times now.

I'd find a seat and I'm like, this is sick. I'm in. I just want to watch. So I totally get it from the fan point, but then on the stage, it's just the total opposite. Where's the chaos? Where's the pit at? Like, you know?

Because the funny thing is like the pit at these venues is some of them fit like a couple hundred people and there's thousands behind them that would probably love to be in the pit. Yeah. But they're not and it's like, yeah, it's just a total different vibe. But we're getting there, you know, we're figuring it out. I saw it was awesome. It was cool. Sick. Yeah.

Today was probably the best so far. Yeah. Today was probably the best show. So it's a good show. Was it? Yeah. Just that it wasn't seats, honestly. It was just open, you know, open park.

or whatever it was, that was cool. I felt like it was like a, it was like, I was like, like a rock show. I walked mode and that line's fucking long, dude. I'm gonna take save me. I'm turning right back around, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Luckily, it got pushed back to like an hour.

Yeah, yeah, it did today. So thank God to that, let's let more people in for us. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Scotty, have you celebrated yet being a band for 10 years? Yes. Or is it like right there?

for me it's right there actually it's probably like next month yeah it's 10 years for me yeah like August 2015 was my first tour without wolf I'm pretty August I'm pretty sure I was August yeah okay yeah it's pretty much coming up you're on the money how'd you know huh did your research it's just all right 10 years because I realized that important dates I don't know I don't know why we do this but important dates come up and you just you're so involved what you're doing that moment they didn't use brush them off I never celebrated any milestone with like the other members yeah yeah yeah so you're not even concentrated on what you're doing now is about future stuff man it's like that's that's the whole problem with it that 10 years is it's a big deal yeah then you know

like you said I didn't even think about it so thank you for bringing it up it can be weird with different errors of bands like so Scotty wasn't there at the start so we did a mini 10 year celebration a couple of years back from when the band originated to 10 years. Because it originated in 2013. Yeah. And it didn't really feel right to be doing it because it was only for John and I. And we played one of our first songs live at a festival that we put on in Melbourne. But our first songs were never popular.

So it felt weird and cheesy to perform that song because the real start of the band is like when Scottie joined the band. Yeah, I feel yeah. When we got Locky and, you know, we do want to celebrate those. and when we dropped our music that we feel is actually us. Not the couple of fumble years from our beginnings. Yeah. Not many bands just start and fucking pop off, you know. But yeah, happy 10 years.

10 years, Scottie. Let's go. It's a big. Ten more to come. It's a big deal. Yeah, it's cool. It's cool to say this is like our job now, whatever you want to call it.

It's our full-time thing. So pretty cool. Each time I've seen you guys, it's like at a different level. Yeah. I think we talked about this last time. Yeah, it's like, it was so weird. Small venues to medium clubs to big clubs and then you just saw us play.

Yeah, you came to chain reaction the first time. Yeah. Saw us the chain reaction. We just like fucking park. Yeah. It's like 6,000 people. Great Park Live. Is that the name of the place?

Yeah. Great Park Live. Brandi venue. Brand new. Yeah. Brand new. They wouldn't allow any fire tonight. All the headliner bands have crazy fire shows.

Yeah. And today's no fire. Are you serious? Because it's a brand new venue, yeah. That's a. The purpose of being in the outdoor. Right? Yeah.

Oh, that sucks. Yeah. So if you stayed for the headliners tonight, you wouldn't have got the crazy shows of being having, like, Parkway of the spinning drum kit and all the other headliner bands have some crazy cool production.

Yeah. But today it's just, you know, drums on Arisa, every band rocks out, which is still cool. It's still cool. But, yeah, the other nights have been pretty crazy.

Is it a, so I saw the line of, is it like a four-way headliner? Yeah. What's the, and they rotate every single day. Interesting. Play the same set length every night.

I think they're 50 minutes each. Just a different order every single night. We're the only band on the bill that stays in the exact same time slot every single day. Yeah, the opener changes every two weeks, two bands after us rotate, and the four bands after them rotate. Yeah. So if you want to see a particular band, good fucking luck. I don't know when they're playing.

Yeah. I look at our master tour every day. I'm like, who's playing when? I don't know how they remember, honestly. I'm just happy we have our time. 3.30, 340? See you there. So I saw the set times.

I found something. I think it was the actual festival IG. And I don't know whose idea was to do this, but they didn't put the set times. They put the set length. Yeah. I was like, I don't know what time. I assume they just want people to get there early to catch all the bands. But like, do you got to put the time?

As a fan in summer, I want to know when the band I want to see is playing. I wouldn't want to be there any other. I want people to be there for us, but I get it. It's hot. You don't want to be there all day. Dude, yeah, we played in Arizona the other day, like 115 degrees. Outside. No one should be outside in that weather.

Please stay home. Yeah, we were talking about it backstage. Streaming on Spotify, please. Yeah, just watch it from home, man. I think I probably got like a limine and like sunburnt. I'll for you guys. Yeah. I'll for you guys.

Tomorrow is, every Sunday is my date night. I'm going to roll up and it's be sunburn. number and so it's all good. Nice. Nice. All for you guys. What, I've been seeing this,

this pedal everywhere. Oh yeah. Okay, so, so you guys have your own noise pedal. Yep. Called the noise. It's called great,

great name. So the development took over a year, correct? About a year, yeah. The stuff, I'm really bad with

time frames. I really don't remember the time we started talking to Talon, who, talent, people have made it. But yeah,

the process took a while to get the first prototype and then from there it was pretty like quick. Things just started happening pretty quickly. But yeah,

from like, we've had the concept for the pedal for literally years. Yeah. We've talked about it for years. We've talked about how cool it would be to have our own pedal.

But there's like too much work, too much effort. Yeah. I can't remember where it stem from. I think we found this company and we were like, what if we just finally did it? Because we knew

exactly what we wanted it to be for years. Years? Yeah. So you guys already had an idea. Yeah, it's pretty much on the records that we've already done because we've always used the Whammy pedal, but it was never gross and dumb enough for us. It was too clean. Gross and dumb, yeah.

Yeah, so we tracked some of our records. I have a Whammy at Home, a V4, Chrome, 20th anniversary, I think it is, and it's broken. So that's the one we used for most of the songs, because it was broken and sounded worse than all the clean ones.

Oh, you guys got the Chrome one. Yeah, I just found one on eBay, I think. When we were buying Whammy as a WAMIs, I found one on eBay, and it happened to be the Chrome one. And over time, it, like, decalibrated. Yeah. And sounded gross, but any time we wrote demos and used it in the demo, that's kind of the sound we're going for.

And we didn't even realize it at that point. But it was too broken to take on tour, so it was kind of like our studio magic in a and we had to take our clean V-5s out and they just didn't sound as gross as we wanted them to because we also added effects after the fact of tracking and made it worse. Yeah. And that was just something we've always been chasing on our pedal boards live to replicate what we've done in the studio. Yeah, like we stopped using whammies. We started using pitchforks by electroharmonics.

I'm not sure if you've missed with those at all. Yeah, they were cool and they're honestly like a little too complicated for what we wanted. Like you could do so much with it. Which is cool if you're like, like, I'm a nerdy guitar pedal guy, but that was that was nearly too far for me. I was like, there's too much you can do in this pedal. Yes, too much. And then yeah, we were like, let's make our own finally. And it's funny, like from the first prototype, the talent nailed it.

Yeah, really. We didn't really change much. When we got the first one, I took it off him and put it on, it on my pedal board and he's like you can't do that it's not ready to tour and I'm like I'm not taking it off like what you mean it's exactly what we want actually it's actually ready yeah and I was like did you bring two they only brought one and I said to Sam I'm like I'm taking it

I'm putting it on my pedal board I don't give a fuck it goes back to what we were saying though the dumber it gets the better it was like the I think we scared talent we're like no it needs to be more fucked up yeah the description when we told them was like make it as fucked up as possible and he's like you want me to tell my programmer to make

it worse this is a great pedal company that you know make these awesome pedals really clean pedals and we're like make something terrible please it needs to be worse than anything you've ever heard and i think we're fully scaring them and i don't even know if they fully backed it from the get go because of our idea they're like what do you mean it it needs to sound bad but um oh they also wanted it when we first the first prototype has like a on-off for like uh bypassing and i was like it can't have that it has to always be on and he was like no no like there needs to have an off button and I was like no it doesn't just as soon as you touch it needs to go that was that was like a literally like a month long conversation of like guys I think we need to

have it on off and we're like that's not how we use the pedal do it has to be momentary like you press it it and it works yeah it needs to step off eventually they came through and they're like all right if that's how you use it's your pedal like that's how it has to be and I was like thank god it's kind of like one of those like touch walls yeah so once you go down and it uh yeah activate the pedal yeah okay so like You know, you don't have as much control, I guess, as a whammy. You know, you can't... The pedal has a rise function where you can set how fast you want it to rise,

but you can't, like... I guess you can't mess around as much. But even with whammy, who's going halfway? No one's going halfway. True. Who is going halfway? Maybe someone is. Some fucking pussy is going halfway. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I do miss the foot action. I did love that when we had whamies, but I just need zero to 100 real quick. Also, the real estate. that it takes up on a pedal board if you're touring is insane that things are fucking true dude that's that's that is the big one yeah that you guys kind of nailed without um and they needed crazy power or the v4 did they they all needed a lot of yeah what's the fancy word for power mh a or something i don't i don't know i broke so many of them from plug it wrong power in i think so this one's normal apparently we guys worried about um okay if you have your own pedal for your own sound

we were worried about other bands or other artists and guitar players having access to your sound so then it'll kind of... That was a big discussion. Really? Okay. Okay. And the funniest part is that we've used, so obviously we haven't put out any new music since we've had the pedal. Yeah. We've written so many songs with this pedal and so many bands have beat us to putting out songs with the pedal. Which is fine.

It's not a competition. But it was a big thought in my head of like, like, like is this the right idea, but I think not to say that the pedal is, it is our sound, but it's not something we created. It's something we use a lot that I think when you hear that sound, you think of us. Yes. And I think that's cool. Because I think there's other, I can't really think of any other pedals where I'm like,

you hear it and you're like, that's that bad. But I think with this, you hear it and you're like, that's an alpha of pedal. That is the alpha of pedal. That is an alpha ball. And I think that's cool in itself. In fact, like, it feels really cool to hear it on songs. we just need to get some music out ASAP with it on it

because we almost fell into a state of trying to not overuse WAMI on records because like our first record used WAMI heaps, second record had a fair bit of it and a lot of our iconic riffs have WAMI in them. So our third record, the one that dropped last year, we tried to dial it back as much as possible.

We didn't want to just be the WAMI band and the WAMI riff band and now we've gone and put our a pedal so it needs to be yeah yeah yeah it doesn't pigeonhole us like we know

I think the coolest part is hearing it on record and we're like fuck yeah that's our pedal yeah that's cool especially songs and bands that we look up to that part is fucking awesome

like we got to sit down with corn and we gifted them two of these pedals at a festival last year we got to sit down and talk to both of them and like show them how it worked

and gifted a pedal to each and said you know you're you're one of the inspiration for the pedal, we want to gift you a pedal each. Yeah. And that was crazy. That's sick. We went and saw Slipknot and they've put one in their guitar world.

So we met their guitar tech. And he was like, yeah, the pedal, like he showed us is sitting next to a cortex in their rack. And he was like, yeah, they're using it. In the jam session for scissors. Yeah. The techs backstage, pressing the noise. So the fact that like people we look up to that helped create the pedal have it in their rig now is like, is like.

Mind blowing, dude. So it's very, very cool. What was your first thought when you started when the pedal is out? Only because I'm a very, like, I'm a very competitive guy. So when I hear the band do something, I'm like, oh, what the fuck? So what was? I don't think it was ever a competitive thing. It was more so everyone we showed the pedal to or tried it out,

their instant reaction to loving it felt so wholesome to us. Like, not one person that we've seen or heard has talked shit on it. They're just like, oh, this is a crazy new sound because it's not another reverb. It's not another overdrive. It's its whole own thing that didn't exist. Yeah. And I think that's what made it so successful because everyone's always trying to find new crazy sounds for guitars. Yeah.

But it's a very 20-25 thing to be doing. Yeah. Weird noises. Once you've used an overdrive, there's only minute changes. when if you try 10,000 overdrives out. Yeah. They all sound like an overdrive. But this is its own unique thing.

It's the noise. Like, once you hear it on a song, you know exactly what it is. You're like, there's the noise. Yeah. And then you got, again, like minor tweaks. So once you first got the first one, you're like, oh, shit, this is, this is kind of. Yeah. Honestly, the first time I used it, I was like, you've nailed the initial idea of, like, how we wanted it to sound.

I was like, nailed it. It was just like, I think the second and third knob we might have changed, like, how it worked with each other and the positioning of, like, where the knobs were. And, like, but the initial sound, I was like, nailed. I thought it was so fun how we used one octave and two octave. That's not easily accessible on, see, the pitchfork has two buttons, but one button was, we didn't even find out ever. I'm sure you can do it, but we're too fucking stupid to figure out. It only ever had one button that we could find that was a usability button, and the other one was for. something else that we could never figure out.

Whammy, you have to turn a knob to go through the different octaves. But our pedal, you can quickly go one octave, two octave, one octave. The initial prototype had it as a switch. And I was like, no, no, it has to be like one and two. Simple. Who wants the weird shit in the middle? One octave and two octave. Easy.

Easy peasy. Yeah, that was like the whole idea is like make it easy, make it simple, make it sound fucked up. That's it. That's it. Sweet water. When the band is. anything for a tour or we need something here for the podcast, Sweetwater is where we go. The other number one online retailer for pro audio and music instruments. So if you need any

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We're going to hear it, yeah. Yeah. Plug it in. I'm thinking of letting, I think, Scotty, maybe you should play it out of my rig. Yeah? Yeah, just fucking, take my fucking cable and then we could switch. All right. Yeah, you can, you can noise him up.

Yeah, you can be my noise. Oh, God. Okay. And then I got you here. Yeah. I'll be ignore our cable mess. I'll be a noise tech. We forgot half of our cables to make this thing happen today.

You have one job. Sorry, we're Australian. That's my only excuse. That's a good tone, too, though. That is nice. Good tone, dude. Hit that noise. I love it.

That's disgusting. That is sick. Like, it sounds crazy on, like, obviously your clash of all. but I mix it up with um pinch harmonics just anything yeah and I always felt like

even the one octave stuff like there the one octave stuff like even with a whammy doing two octaves I always felt like it was too disgusting but when you do one octave like it just sounds fucking haunting

yeah like this is so boring without it but you put that on. What have you got your set to? Is it all noon? What's our set to? Boom,

boom, boom. Yeah. That's actually pretty much what we do live. Yeah. Really? Yeah, what is it? Nine o'clock,

12 o'clock and three o'clock? Can you tell the time? Oh, yeah. So my speed's low. Yep. Yeah. Chaos is a little lower than you guys. Okay.

I loved making up names for the knobs. They don't make any sense. Yeah. That was actually. funny part of like what does this one do actually and we'll like oh no no dude well my my panic is actually almost off your eyes is is uh at 12 o'clock okay favorite of panic yeah and even like like this obviously this is a very usable state for live but if you crank that rise knob all the way like that is like for like studio effects so you can plug this thing into like a synth like go

all the way on that thing like imagine like a synth or anything else into this doing this Oh, that's sick. Yeah. It's obviously live. You're probably not going to be doing that. Maybe you are. But it's cool to see how people are using it. Like, we have a very stock standard way of how we use it.

Yeah. I love seeing different ways. Like, we got tagged in a reel the other day. We came as Romans used it on one of their new songs. And he used it. I think he was doing one octave up. And he was just using it as background, like, quad layers for their breakdowns just to make it sound more fucked up.

I'm like, that's cool. Like, I wouldn't have thought to do that. that but it's just like somewhere something a little bit different rather than this like high stupid noises like we do it's funny our pedal boards we haven't got scotty's on screen but um the only pedals we use

are gross noise making pedals we have midi switching doing all the quad stuff offstage but um so we can mess around with ridiculous noises oh yeah yeah

The fun stuff. You guys were psychos. I'm going to try that. I'm going to turn a rise all the way up. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to try that. It's just trying to find different noises. You can, like, dude, like you said, we play breakdowns.

We're a medical band that makes stupid noises. We're trying to find new ways to make more stupid noises. Yeah, it sounds stupid anyone on the fretboard. I like this tone. Nice. It's so fun. It's just fun, man. It brings a little bit of fun back into it.

You don't want to get bored playing the same shit, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Did, uh, was there a song in particular that started it? Was it like, Akudama? It was like, we, we can't recreate this. Tell all the story of what? Of writing Akadama.

How do you remember writing it? Me and Mitch was a little bit lit. Weren't you, you guys were drunk on Jack Janel, was correct? How do you remember that? Yes. Yeah, so they were drunk and we were writing, so we were writing bleed for you at the time. Oh, that was a track of A Quiet Place to Die. Yeah.

We got really stuck and we were like. Like, it's not really vibing it. And we're like, let's just scratch it, start something brand new. And that's what, Kay, like, we wrote, like, three quarters of the song in, like, probably an hour, two hours. What is that, man? It just happens sometimes, you know, when you're in the right vibe. The good songs get written in under 30 minutes. But also, like, we, yeah, we were on a little under the influence of Jack Daniels.

And the final version of the song has the demo whammy because we could never make it sound like we did. And I don't know what we, I can't remember. We had every whammy we could possibly find in the studio and we could not recreate it. I think we detuned guitars, had old strings, had every possibility we could find in the studio. Nothing could beat whatever they tracked when they were drunk. I have no idea what we did. I can't remember. Wow.

So one of those sacred- Could be a broken lead or anything. Yeah, I don't know. And then it's funny because you hear, like, we hear covers of it on YouTube or whatever and it's like, it just sounds bad, man. But we finally made a box. This makes all of them sound better It does I was actually

I learned the intro to that And I really love the chorus To each other songs I learned it I was like There it is like Yeah yeah Well the main problem honestly with that

Is most people Most people don't have this clash chord here The 3-0 It's because you wrote it in the six-swing version Of the seven-string tuning So most people are going Most people are doing that. It just sounds bad. Oh, I got a six string, hold up.

It's not the ending, but alright. But yeah, most people are like fucking it up because they're not getting this clash chord. They're just going... You do it with that. Oh! I was doing that too. Yeah, so because you're not doing the zero,

it's missing a little bit of that nastiness. Oh. That comes down to that shooting. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was normal. Most seven strings have the high six is a standard guitar. Yeah.

And then you add the low string. So it's a different tuning. Scotty accidentally wrote it. So the low strings are like a drop D guitar, but obviously in drop G. Accidentally. And then he's got the extra high string. So it throws off the, is it the E? Yeah, yours is an F.

I play it as an E. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh. Which is what? G, D, G, G, C, E, A, D. Yeah But you go G-D-G-G-C F-A-D

Yeah So that being A semi-tone different Is where most people Fuck it up Yeah Including you Yes

Well I have to tune your way But some songs I have to tune up my way Because It gets confusing Trying to explain our tunings And everything To a guitar check is impossible

Like we play in Lower Tunings for some songs But Like Sub-Zero was the first song I did it for Again, I don't remember why. I think I was bored riding one day, and I was like, this doesn't sound heavy enough, and I couldn't be bothered changing tuning,

so I just tuned the top string down. Yeah, dude. And it just sounded heavy. And that's how sub-zero happened, and we've written five or six other songs in that tuning. How much lower? So it went from a G to an F, but only the top string. You know where I got that from was Seven Dust Waffle. What is that?

Seven Dust Waffle? Yeah. Because that song... Oh, man seven. Sorry, way of my head. I don't know. though they do that yeah it's just it's just top string down a half a step sick done done done done yeah don't don't done done don't done dund d d d d d d d d and it makes like octaves

yes all your normal all your normal chords are backwards that's weird but it makes the opens heavy which is cool yeah so now we start experimenting with that and we're like well let's what if we go lower So we tune the F down to a D sharp. Oh my God. So it's D sharp and then D. So you're chugging a dissonant note, D sharp and D together. But your O-1 is now an octave chord. Yeah.

This guitar wasn't built for that. That sounds terrible. So yeah, our lazy way of being heavier is just keep tuning the top string down. And it was worked out so far We don't have any songs in Uh Standard Um

There's, actually that's a lie You got the one where you tuned down to D sharp But then you pitch shifted down to C sharp Because you wanted lower again But lazy low Lazy lower Um

Every time you send me tabs to learn I'm like, What the hell did you do? There's no rules, man. At this point, at this point in music, man, there is zero rules. I had to fight for that song, though. You didn't want it. I didn't know.

And I was like, no, it's pretty good day. Let's, uh. Which one again? I'm sorry. This was a terrible day for rain. Yeah. Okay. Of half living things.

So the song is in, the song is technically in drop G with a low D sharp, but it's tuned down two semitones digitally. So it's. T sharp and the rest of whatever. Yeah, whatever fuck it is. Drop F. Again, just got bored one day and it just kept going lower. But you're right though, like with quad cortex is like what we're using now, like the the pitch correction on them.

It's crazy. It's so good. Especially with the new updates they put out with the other month with the transpose coming in from the plug-in version. So much better. So yeah, like you can play like in a standing guitar and tune it down minus four minus five. It's crazy. And it works. So like fuck a tuning, right in whatever you want.

Yeah. You know? It definitely changed my life the past like two months where you just like, all right, I want to play this song. and then don't want to tune up the guitar and then it's oh, switch switch the pitch

yeah I'm like too it's especially with us using ever tune like they're not the easiest to if you want to

actually change tuning properly to another tuning it's not the simplest like it's kind of like set and forget so yeah to have a chord

be able to just be like I want to go up two semitones down two semitones so sick big fan it changed it changed everything man

yeah playing playing songs I haven't played since I was a child yeah because all your guitars is probably in like

what suicide sounds tuning so you like that yeah whatever because that's for me i'm like man all my guitars i have like eight 10 guitars at home and they're all in alph worth tuning because they're all like what i would use them for that i just don't learn anything anymore because i'm lazy so yeah i'm totally with you there it's hard to go back in that vibe of like i should learn other people's songs do it's so fun but yeah there's nothing like it says okay you got like you like re like reconnect with like oh like you're like child oh shit dude when i was 16 i used to learn entire albums so i thought it was fun And now I'm like, I don't want to do that anymore.

I mean, we mentioned a cover band. Yeah, yeah, we did. You were the king of cover bands. I was. Different world. You were in a cover band? We're in a parkway drive cover band. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I forgot about that. It was like a one-off thing. We weren't in like a continuous. Actually, we were just making bands every week. I would make them. For different emo nights. Yeah. Oh, we need Fallout Boy.

Oh, we need bringing the rise in. Oh, we need whatever else you done. Yeah. Do you, Hiscari, do you still have your demo? of Hands of Hope. Wow, you're going for it. Do you still have it? I do, yeah.

Keep them, don't ever... Did we steal any? No, I think that were too bad. Yeah, right. That's funny. That was one of your first bands, correct? It was, yeah. Okay.

How old were you? I would have been, man, was I under 18? I would have been, yeah. I think maybe 16 or 17 I joined until I joined Alpha. I was in bands I was in one or two bands before that You've been in now for 10 years And you

I was in Hanson You're not 30 now I am 30 You're 30 now So what 20 Yeah I would have been like 16 in Hansa Hoad

And that was like my first Real band I guess Like first Like trying to actually do some shit Which we didn't really do much shit You know it's one of those bands Um But damn

I can't believe I remembered that That's cool But I do have some of those demos and like even my earlier bands I have that's cool I used to be like super particular about my iTunes library

I don't know if you ever if you ever felt like this but I used to I had like 100,000 songs downloaded so I had a massive like iPod classic that held like 120 gig or whatever it was like the big ones were yeah so I would like I was meticulous with like my artworks matching and the genres and the years

so I would have like all it was like before Spotify yeah so like I still have all of my demos from back when I was like 13 14 in my iTunes. Dude, good, good. Yeah, I never want to get rid of him. Because it's so bad, so bad.

But it's good to remember being like, I used to be way worse. Oh shit, you know. Yeah. But is there any like in like a riffs or like a couple songs, oh shit, that's kind of like a cool. There was one where I was like, that's kind of hype. I should do that again. Oh shit, that's like, that's like sick. Yeah, yeah.

There was one. There's not many, honestly. They're all pretty bad. Another time. Another time. Yeah, you'll find some gold in there. Yeah. I never want them to go online, but they're for my personal listening.

Do you put it online, dude? Fuck, no. It's so bad. Do you post it on the internet, man. Yeah, maybe we'll give inspiration for anyone else that sucks to be like, hey, we were all bad one day, you know. We were all there, man. At some point, we were all there. Yeah.

And it's crazy. It's wild. Saban, you are the only person. You are the only person I ever met in my life. That's their favorite band is silver chair. I mean, I get so many compliments in America when I wear a silver chair match. Really? They did blow up here.

It did, yeah. I definitely get way more compliments here than at home. But yeah, I think the band is incredible. I think every album they dropped is incredible. Daniel Johns is like an absolute genius and was from, you know, the age of 15. Yeah. So he's a massive inspiration to me. I wish I could see them again, but it's highly unlikely.

Are they, I have an ignorant question. Are they still a band? They broke up maybe 10 or so years ago. Okay. Well, Daniel John's basically left and too much anxiety of being around public and everything. Didn't want to be a rock star. Didn't want to be an inspiration, an icon. He just did not like that life whatsoever.

Yeah. Steped away completely, and I think they've been offered crazy amounts of money to reform. They would have, man. And he just says no. He's the artsy type of dude that's just going to keep doing whatever he feels is right. He went into electronic car. He went into some crazy stuff. Big fan over here.

Damn. Tell his last story. Yeah, just like, you know, I'd love for them to get back together for one show, but probably highly unlikely. It's unlikely, huh? No handsstone. Like, we're little, oh, I fucking went to bar with the drummer and none of that. Yeah, I think the drummer and the bassist. They're on like cooking shows and home renovation shows and stuff like that on local TV.

But Daniel Johns. Wow. It's pretty much his band. He wrote everything and directed everything. And until he says it's go time, it is not go time. So he's like a real artist. A hundred percent. Like from what I've read, from what I've listened to on podcasts and stuff,

the bassist and drummer recently did a book and audiobook. I think it was by album three, Daniel Jones, just took the reins and said, these are the songs, we're not going to change them whatsoever. You're going to play this. You're going to play this. It's going to be a masterpiece. And it is. Like, it's absolutely crazy.

But, you know, that's not going to work well when you're a group. Yeah. So I think it just kept. It works well for a little bit. Yeah. It just kept being like that. And eventually he just didn't like anything to do with the band, didn't like the fame, lifestyle.

and just said bye-bye. Brutal. Yeah, this is the record. It's done. Yeah. Play it. It's crazy. And that's,

that's, that's, that's, that's, that sounds. Guys, I wrote the record. Do not condone.

I know, yeah, but it's a, yeah, you gotta, like, collab. What's up for,

for people that aren't fans of that band, what's like the record? See, it's weird. I try and get people onto them all the time,

and it just doesn't work. I'm not into them. Yeah. So, I, Have you tried? Not really. I honestly couldn't name your song.

Yeah, it's like one of those things you had to grow up around. Yeah. I grew up with their grunge era and then they went to some crazy like, I've learned some of their songs and they're in crazier tunings of whatever used. Like I had nearly snapped strings trying to get into their tuning. They're full like open tunings and chords that use every string all up and down the fretboard. It's crazy. And he was writing that at like 16.

Sixteen. And I'm just like, I didn't know that tuning existed and I'm like 30 something. Just a freak. Yeah, it's absolutely crazy. But, you know, if you're like your Nirvana and everything like that, you're going to like the first two records. But if you like some crazy musical influence, you know, they're bought in the orchestra and everything for Neon Ballroom,

which is my favorite album. What's it called? I'm sorry? Neon Ballroom. Okay. Yeah. So I absolutely love that album. It's incredible start to finish.

It's like a full musical journey. It's still heavy parts. But then they strayed even further from heavy grunge on Diorama. And I think I was an angsty team. kid and I wanted that grunge and that anger back then. So that's when I stopped listening then, but now revisiting now a bit more mature. It's all crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. So people don't know. Like, uh, you saw that band when you were six years old, correct? Six years old. My mom surprised me when I got off the bus from school, prep, boat harbor primary. Shout out. And so we're going to see Silverchair. It was a four-hour drive.

Drove us there. Because they play the capital of Tasmania, correct? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, part of their freak show tour, 1997. And I didn't know how to act at a heavy metal concert or heavy metal. Yeah. So I was on my mom's shoulders all night, just flipping off the band, thinking that's what you need to do at these shows. It's six years old.

Having the best time in my life. And I think that night, Mom locked the keys in her car and we had to get towed or something. No way. I can't even remember. It was like super late. We had a four-hour drive home. Oh, wow. It was a whole ordeal.

But, yeah. That's what you get for like in silver chair. Yeah. I'll remember that my forever. You know, like, first concert, favorite band. Oh, my goodness. That's crazy. But it stuck with you for,

essentially your whole life, you know? Straight up. And I think I went to see them again maybe five years later and they canceled because Daniel was sick. Oh, wow. And I don't think I ever saw them again. So it was probably only that time. Damn.

Yeah. I mean, not many bands. Lance played Tasmania. No. No. It's getting a little bit better. The local scenes growing. We went down there recently and had a crazy time.

It was real fun. We took down malevolence. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah, it was awesome. Really awesome dudes. We took them all across Australia. It was fun to get back to Tasmania. But the market's really picking up there.

It's really cool to see. Wow. Not for the bigger stuff. It's definitely like the metal core kind of world. There's figuring out they can go there now, which is cool. I'd love to see them They used to have this festival called MS Fest and Breath of Life

Which was like a one day festival Of all sorts of music But they would have a heavy stage So I'd see like Parkway Drive Amity Affliction play that And that was really fun We never got to play because they hated us But

Oh dang it happens You know 20, 30,000 people Would rock up to these events Would have all our local Aussie hip-hop Headlining and stuff But there was always a metal stage So that was really fun

There is nothing like that It's been a minute. Have you heard of Mona, the museum down there? No. They put on stuff. Who did they have recently? A museum? I don't remember.

Did they have someone? Yeah. Who is that band that's speed-tilled with? Whispers. No, no, no. The banjo. Banjo band. They played Mona recently.

I forget the name of them. I have no idea. Mona is this museum in Hobart. funded by this dude who's the, I think he might be the richest guy in Tasmania. Okay. And he got it all from gambling. Shout out.

Wow. So he's a crazy art collector. And he opened an art museum and it's the most fucked up art you could imagine. As soon as you walk in, the first thing you see, I don't know if it's there anymore is an entire wall of cast mold vaginas. What? Yeah.

Like, you can look it up. Oh, you don't have your computer man, but... Fuck. If you type in Wall of Vagina's Mona, it is absolutely crazy. What else did they have? They had a poo machine. So it was four cylinders. It would start by eating food, go through one cylinder, go through another cylinder, another cylinder, and then shit out, poo at the end.

And it smelled like shit. This makes Tassie sound so fucked up. This museum is for fucked up art. And if someone thinks it's art, it's probably in this museum. So they put on festivals every now and then, but they'll just bring out some weird acts from around the world to play one show. They have a festival.

I don't know if you call it a festival. It's like a week of dark art in Hobart, Tasmania. They take over the entire city. Most venues, Mona just rents out and has crazy dark art related stuff happening in Hobart. I think I read somewhere, I wasn't there, but, they took over all the air raid sirens in Hobart between the hours of 6 p.m. and 8 p.m. every night for a week playing dark music. Yeah.

So the entire city was just engulfed in dark music for two hours every night for a week. It's weird, man. But Mona's like a big tourist attraction for anyone going to Tasmania. What were they playing? I don't even know. I read an article. I've never been to this Mona festival. I think it goes for like a week, but heaps of friends.

friends. Oh, they call it Dark Mofo. Yeah, Dark Mofo is a festival. But, um, wow. They have some really weird music. Yeah. All right. Well, that, that museum and, uh, Alpha Wolf. Wall of Viginas. And, and wall of vagina. Yeah. And that's, hey, that's art. It is. It's art, man. Trying to think what else they have in it. Did you ever go? I never went, no. We're gonna, we'd do that. I don't know. Maybe. You guys, I forgot, have you guys moved out of Tasmania yet? Yeah.

Okay, so you guys are in. We moved, well, I moved in 2015, I think, pretty much for music. For one. It wasn't working in Tasmania. I kept putting on shows and networking, but I also kept flying to Melbourne to go to more shows. And I had an opportunity come up to move over and transfer jobs. Yeah. So I did that.

And that way I started networking more And we got our first ever Melbourne show And that was like a big goal for us at the time Because none of our peers bands None of our friends bands Got out of Tasmania You know, you have to fly To get out

And it was a huge goal for us to play Melbourne Yeah Made that happen Then the next goal was to tour the East Coast Made that happen And you know We just kept ticking goals But yeah we ended up moving over

John and I did, found Scotty and kind of just congregated Melbourne nights to join the band, except for Mitch. Because he was the best drummer in Australia and we needed him. Stolen from Brisbane. Stolen from Brisbane. Was he? Was that like the word? Yeah, I saw him play once. I think I've told this story before, but he was filling in for this band.

I think it was iconoclast, like a death core, heavy deathcore band. And I'm just watching Mitch play drums He had super long hair And he's blasting His right hand He's reaching this high off the snare drum Just full blasting Windmilling at the same time

And I'm just losing my mind at how incredible It was Wing milling now is so funny Yeah just like And I'm just like Holy fucking shit And I had to have him Yeah

Got him Come me out Boom, yeah So I was done Yeah. Put it in your mind. But you start poaching. Yeah.

It was like, hey, dude, we're about to support Parkway Drive. We're about to play Invasion Fest. We've got some other cool gigs coming up. You want to come hang out for a bit? And he's like, yeah, it could. And after that, it's like, hey, you want to join for a bit? He's like, yeah, I could. Could.

Help us write some music. Good. Yeah. Worked out. That's awesome. Yeah. Whatever happened to, uh, whatever happened to Soundwave? ate the shit

I think it was too ambitious it was big yeah Australia doesn't have big festivals for a reason and I think that's why because in the like they I mean they were the biggest thing we've ever had in heavy music looking at the fly now he's like what

and I think they couldn't like there were so many people at the shows but they couldn't afford to do the show like you know the fees the bands needed to get to Australia because it was so far away yeah it's like 30,000 at those events more more probably yeah because yeah we're getting like 30,000 at the ones we do now they're not fest and the good things yeah I think it was just too ambitious they like they it went well but

it couldn't get big enough to support it you know bands needed X amount of money and they couldn't get paid that and I think the dude just went bankrupt did you play yes I think we played the last good year I think we played it and then I feel like I saw you guys play and it was just seeing his first show with you guys oh His first show was in Brisbane. Damn. There you go. I was in Melbourne.

So that was the first tour. So you went? I went. I remember seeing it. I was like, this is the new guy, right? At the next, that whole week, it was a fucking stress. I bet. Yeah.

It was crazy. Yeah. Well, I saw it. There you go. That's sick. That was fucking stressful. But they were like, man, going to those festivals was like a dream coming true. Like seeing those bands, like that shit shouldn't happen.

Yeah. Like all those bands in one place, like, well, it's never happened again. We had big day out. We had Samway. I mean, now we have, you know, luckily we still have festivals like good things and not fest that are, you know, still bringing

our bands, but like the size of those other ones was just insane. It was crazy. I remember what they, uh, sound with the thing. I remember like sitting there, sitting there, I was like, why is this happening? They would, on a day off,

the festival would take out bands and bunches and they'll take you to like a steakhouse, expensive dinner. Really? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

And then I remember like right behind us and behind me was August Burns Redd. And he kept like going over like this. What's up, dude? But it was like an expensive restaurant. I remember sitting there, I'm like, who's paying for this? Yeah. This is so unnecessary. I mean, I appreciate it.

Are we paying for this? Like he's paying for this? But this is so unnecessary. I mean, how many bands are on this festival. It was the same with the flights was. And I've always heard stories about the flights. The best. It was just bands.

It was on the planet. I remember seeing the fucking... We're out here thin of rest. I was on these first names. Dude, fucking earth we are. Rest and peace, Brockie from Gwar, remember seeing he would have just train before

and his face would just turn fucking dark red. It was fucking. It was, yeah, you were just being in a plane with a bunch of bands. It was sick. It was such a goal for, like, us as 16-year-olds to play Samway.

So it sucks we never got to. You guys, you guys were younger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, literally probably 14 to 17 when I went, and I would go every year, every year, man. I was such a goal to play it. You know, we've got to do literally all the other festivals, so it's fine, but we just never got to do that one. And that was like what made you want to do, like, be the band up there and be like, I want to be playing up there. Yeah.

Was that the Metallica, Lincoln Park, Blinkwinter two year? That was one of them. Yeah, I don't remember which year. I don't remember which year you guys played, though. I forgot. Well, yeah, 2015? 2014. The Fortune Tyler 15, I think.

Yeah, it was like 2012 to 2015, I feel like with like the prominent years of it. Yeah, it was like 2012. I was in high school. So, yeah, it's crazy. Man. But yeah, but Scottie, it happened. Yeah. You had, you went and you had your, it's like, oh, shit, I want to do that.

I want to do that. And boom, years later. You saw always play today at a park? That's that. Great park life. Yeah. I'm not a park, but it's a fucking, basically like a flat amphitheater. Yeah.

Yeah. what it is. Yeah. But yeah, because, but the modern, that is, like the knock fest

and the, and the good life? Good things. Good, good things, yeah. Yeah. We did it.

We did it. Yeah. That's crazy. So that's cool. It wasn't the exact one, but, you know, it's a replacement.

So take, take the wins when they come, you know. We got the, like, the modern. Yeah. It's awesome,

man. Crazy. Like, I didn't, I never had the ambitions of doing the Europe festival stuff. Besides, it's probably like rock amp pick,

rock am ring, Ring. Ring. Rockham Park. Like watching, like, dude, watching the Lincoln Park set from there. I don't know what year it was.

Yeah. Everyone knows the one. Yeah. Like, that shit was like, wasn't even a goal about. See, I'm gutted that we missed out on printed media.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because that died out. The poster mags died out. Dude, Postal Mags were so cool. You know,

that was my entire life. My entire room with... Yeah. I probably had you guys on my fucking wall, straight up. Wow. Probably, yeah. And now it's like, last era, yeah.

We're in a position where we would be in those magazines, be in the poster mags, but they don't exist anymore. They don't. What a time. Yeah, I'm such a collector for anything with their band name, Alpha Wolf on it, like, anything we get put in or anything physical, I'd just try and hoard it. But yeah, printed media doesn't exist anymore. What is it now?

Crappy reviews online. Crappy AI generated. TikTok, which is fine. Did you see my story the other day? It was like They played Hotel Underground Crowd Went nuts We didn't play Hotel Underground

They played for you And the crowd went nuts We didn't play Bleed for you Do you guys ever try out What Lucky did Or does? I'm not sure if you still does it You're a singer

Where he He puts out a record And doesn't read shit He just goes to the show Oh yeah I'm pretty bad of reading Every single comment ever Oh no!

But I've got him better at it Oh I've gotten better at it. at it. Scotty. Like, I reckon a quiet place to die. I probably found every single comment of every single thing.

I've read every single one. Oh, no. And you read like, that was lockdown. That was different. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Or lockdown. Yeah. You read like 50 good ones. And that one bad one, you're like, you fucking asshole. Like,

feel it. You don't understand. Don't get out hard I worked on that. But no, I try. I really try not to anymore because it does nothing. It doesn't change how we write the songs. It doesn't change what we're going to do.

So, like, why read it. it's kind of a cool concept. yeah it's like I'm just gonna show up yeah yeah yeah see the yeah but honestly like because it's such a thing man like you play you read all these comments about these new songs you put out and you think no one's gonna like him and you play it live

and it's completely different what you think it's gonna be like I remember like even like sucks to suck off the new album we had no idea how I was gonna go live all the comments online honestly most of them we saw were like again I was reading comments shouldn't read them pretty trash pretty trash so like no one really fucked with the song. They were like, what the fuck is this weird, like, rap thing he's doing? I'm like, he's not rapping. He's just doing a verse.

But then we play it live and it's like probably one of the most popular songs off the record. What that heck? There's no point in like... It's like the people that dig it are less inclined to comment because they're just vibing. They're just having a good time. They don't need to say it's good because they're just having a good time and they'll keep listening to it. The haters are like, I need to tell you that this sucks.

Ice tea's verse was shit. You get iced tea, man. You tell Ice tea that. You tell it to his face. Move back. Move back to Bernie. Glad you left, Bernie. Stay out.

It's cool. What you guys said, I'm sure you guys are sick of hearing it, but I'm going to ask it in a different way. You guys are similar to us where it's like you don't want. So you guys had, you guys made it a rule where we're not going to have any guest vocalist ever. So that's like a rule. But the, but the song presented itself. It did. Yeah.

And then we actually hear it before you have an idea. Oh, shit. Maybe we should try this. Well, we always were like, if we get a guest vocalist, like it has to be someone like untouchable or like something that you look at and you're like, they did what? Yeah, there's so many vocalists that appear all the time on different releases. And no diss to them.

Incredible vocalists. But yeah, we're like, what would our favorite band do? Who would our favorite band get? Yeah. And it's someone untouchable when we found ourselves with missed. to IST and the man. Hell Mary. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. What a time.

You got to throw that, hell Mary. You don't know. Straight up. You don't know, man. I will say, though, the only downfall which I've seen other bands have is like, when we play it live, we kind of just have to let his track play because it's like, you can't talk over the man. Yeah. You know, sometimes we do, sometimes we mute him and we do a whole different thing live. Yeah.

Which is cool, but it's like, Lockhe you can't pretend to be iced tea. Nah. So it has to be on tracks and it's like, is that weird? Is that like, but that's just how it happens. Like we got the guy, he's on the song. Like, I don't, I've never really thought of it from a fan perspective what they would prefer to hear. Like, it's tough. It's tough.

But like, that's probably minding the downfall of having a guy so prolific as he. Having a guest vocalist, you're always going to run into that live. If you give them a chorus or if it's too similar, they can do it. We just went so different than Lockheed can't be him. Speaking on the hater comments again, we got so much shit for. artwork. So much shit. Because it's like different. We love it. We think it's sick and we didn't want to follow the trend of whatever else

anyone else is doing. Yeah. The guy did it's a friend of mine, incredible artist. Who also did a quiet place to die. Yeah, he also did a quiet place to die over. It's very new metal-esque, very significant other-esque. And I never, I never realized that to her right now. Yeah. Yeah. That was the reference. Yeah. It is limbiscus. When I showed him a significant other, he instantly was like, oh, that must be such and such from New York because he's a grapher. Oh, wow. He respects all other graphers.

He instantly knew just by looking at it. He doesn't like metal. He listens to hip-hop notoriously, but he just recognized the art instantly. He was like, oh, yep. That's, wow. I'll pay homage to that. And, you know, we always want to push the boundaries of that sort of thing and never do anything anyone else is doing.

the boys trusted me to let my friend do it it's totally different and wild but hit or miss the fact that everyone was talking about it they either loved it they hated it it was a full conversation piece which I think art should be

so many bands play it safe and we'll just do something really simple and then it's forgettable I think ours is like you won't forget it you either love it or you absolutely despise it but it's lodged in your brain somewhere and anytime you see it you're gonna know that it's us yeah yeah you don't want to be

forgettable yeah it's true yeah you know actually funny that you bring it up i was looking at the logo today it's watching i was like oh that's an interesting logo yeah it's graph i haven't i haven't seen that it's funny we um we don't like our band name because the band started like 12 years ago John watched a movie called The Grey and Liam Neeson faces off against the Alpha Wolf at the end. He's like, let's call the band Alpha Wolf and I was like, hell yeah, brother. And then in the last couple of years, all this Andrew Tate bullshit's popped up and you have to be the Alpha, you know, you're going to be the best man you can be and it's cringy as hell. So cring. So like it's almost cringe to wear Alpha on your merch.

Yeah. So we kind of have to disguise it with our logo. So the graph is for anyone that doesn't do graffiti, can't read it. Anyone that does do graffiti thinks it's really simple. Interesting. But yeah, we fully got to disguise our band name a bit. We don't want to change band names because we're stuck with it. But 12 years ago in John's bedroom, we weren't thinking about merchandise and marketing possibilities when we picked a band name.

Yeah. We weren't thinking that bigger picture. No one is. Yeah. We're like, nah, sounds cool. Let's go. I mean, you've probably struggled with yours. Oh, sure.

You'd be flagged on Instagram if you search it. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you don't like, he can't predict, oh, there's going to be like a council culture that the word suicide is going to be banned. Yeah, yeah. But then you write the wave, and now it's actually coming back. So now I notice that we're not as shadow banned. Yeah.

So it's like, go, it's just waves, whatever. No one's thinking of band names. Like, I wish I could. I wish I did think that it was going to be this worldwide marketing. I wish we had a one word just like a... Oh, if I had a big brother from another band, but like, just be careful with your band name because if your band takes off,

you're going to be printing lots of t-shirts and you need to stand by that band name. Just take out the space between Uffawth. That's what we do. Pretty much do, yeah. So just like one. That's what our logo is. But yeah, the graph thing,

it's kind of the stees for this whole album cycle. I think it looks cool on the boys, trust, my vision on it all. Easy art, man. Yeah, I ride the riffs. You do the yacht. Got to trust it, man. Sometimes it hits, sometimes it misses.

You know. As long as you tried and you think it's sick. Yeah. Yeah. That's all you can do. Yeah. Especially when you're trying to be a leader. Like you're trying to do something that hasn't been done before.

There's this weird thing that happens is sometimes you do something and it hits. Yeah. You know what shit, you stick out, but sometimes you do it. You do the same thing. The same exact thought, same process. But then it doesn't hit. And it's like, oh, shit. Straight up.

That's like this pedal, man. That's shot. Back to the noise pedal was like, this was an idea that we were like, if it fails, I don't care because I wanted it. Yeah. And then it did really well and we're like, oh shit, okay. That's cool. What next, you know? And sometimes with things like that, I feel like if I don't hate something, I must like it.

So when we get artwork sometimes or music videos, anything created. I don't know how that makes me feel. Sometimes, yeah. Without artwork, like say I'll present you guys anyway. work yeah sometimes it's more of a i don't hate it i think that's more of what i say is yeah but i feel that too like it's hard to immediately fall in love with some sometimes a music video just blows my mind when we get our first draft back but sometimes it okay i get what you say sometimes it's i don't hate it so it must be good because i'm a hate it i'm a hater yeah i'll admit i'm a hater so yeah i get i get

like like our logo back to up today i don't hate it don't hate it don't hate it so it's like But I probably love it, though. I wouldn't love anything that says our wolf. Fair. So the fact I don't hate it means it's good to go. If you're a fucking banning him. Yeah. No, don't hate it so we can use it. Nice.

It's us with merch designs every time. Don't hate it. Let's print it. It's a good way to live. Yeah. But that might be the Australian in us. Not bad. Yeah, not bad. Not bad.

Don't hate it. Not good. Not bad, don't hate it. Not good. Not bad. Don't hate it. Put it on a t-shirt. Yeah.

Yeah, people from Australia are just, I noticed they're like a different person. We live a pretty chill life. It's very chill. You know, nothing's too bad to, you know, to be struggling, right? How you doing, not bad? Yeah. Yeah. I forget that doesn't make sense to most people.

Yeah. What? Not bad. You say how you're going and you say not bad. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's kind of like, what are you fucking talking about? That's good. It's like, yeah, I'm good. I'm not bad.

So I must be good. It's your whole theory, right there. Yeah. Yeah, maybe that's just fully the Australian Indy. Oh, that was a tangent. Holy shit. Sorry. Sorry, YouTube.

Like and subscribe. Yeah, appreciate it. Thank you. So you guys are, what I noticed about your band is, uh, there seems to be, I don't know, you can't make up your mind between semi-strain and six strings, so you guys just don't care. Do not care. We need three strings.

Three strings. And sometimes a high note. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why we bounce between the two. whatever looks better. I personally prefer a six string

because like Sabb said, I'm playing three strings, man. I'm playing rhythm. I'm playing rhythm. I'm playing fucking stupid high shit. I don't care how many strings are. If there's fucking five strings, cool.

I mean, I play baritone, so I need it long because we play stupid low. But yeah, we see all the comments. Again, we should stop fucking reading these comments. Oh, no. Stop. People have been like,

oh, like, why is one playing six, one plane's a seven? and then like next to all we've fucking got a new guitar and we swapped. Like blows people, blows their mind. I'm like, dude, like it's simple.

Like, we play the same tuning. Oh, the comments will say, I need a seven string to play your riffs. It's like, no, you don't. You don't. So now my,

my main two guitars are two seven strings, but I definitely prefer six strings. Yeah. But I'm just... I think I prefer sevens and I keep accidentally getting sixes because they look good. Well,

shout out of ESP, Megan. Yeah. Good seven. I won't play eight, so. Eight is too much. Oh,

it's weird. Yeah. My hand, like, I just, I don't know what to do. My fingers and my hand gets confused. I don't like it. I don't know if you feel that, but I can't. Yeah, it's a little bit too much. It's kind of like a snowboard.

Yeah, like, it's just so wide. You're just like, I'm just, again, trying to play the top, man. Like, I don't care about these bottom strings. Yeah. I think a lot of eight players do do the crazy bowl. Yeah, which we're not doing that. We're just chug, chug, chug. Chug, chug.

Keep it simple. I was really curious what you guys saw because for me I think even if obviously every guitar is different but I think even if you're only playing rhythm there's something about

I'm trying not to sound like a freaking dork but I think the extra the semi stream makes it sound a little better a little bit but I think it does depend on the brand the brand and the scale I mean you get a baritone 6th string it's going to sound good

for me my low tuning my F guitar is a six string and it's just shot out between all of my guitars was the best one for those songs and but you should be playing a baritone

is what you say I should be but I got little baby fingers yeah it hurts like trying to hit a oops trying to hit like a 1-5 just kind of hurts a bit on the barit turn

it's true it's what you need for the tuning but also the ever tunes help honestly shout out up. Shout out David Chu. They're saving grace.

One play without him. I won't do it. I love him. Yeah, probably fucking perfect tuning. I want to hear you ride a noise riff actually. Yeah?

You should ride a right now. Let's do it. Do it. All right, see. I actually want to show you guys some because this is actually a... I want to hear more of that tone.

That's the one's right there. So, I'm in the Alphabet of Tune in currently. It's good. Love it. So I'm going to go back to A real quick. Oh, look at how easy that is. And with a touch of a button.

So. Drop A for me real quick. It's like childhood. I hear it and I'm like, I'm 16 again. I love it. I don't know if I could go straight into it, but it's hard. You're bending the night? Yeah.

Yeah. That's sick. Yeah, that's actually a rip you have. Sick. Oh, sick. It's in a song called Smoke off No Time of Bleed. But the problem is, it can't have to do it live

because you've got a tap dance It's like four pedals. Yeah. And when I got your pedal, it's just one fucking button. Hey, that's what we want. That's it. So it's just,

I mean, it has to be in the rig now. It's one fucking button I have. I was like, oh, oh, shit, no way, they like somehow nailed that sound

into one fucking button, dude. Yeah, it's just so funny, even on low notes, anything like, um, what's the Horn to break down?

Getting all that riffs. Tell me if I'm playing this right and I'll write a one more riff. That's cool. It's so funny, the lead I play halfway through that song. It's that night. That's a lead. That's sick. But then there's like Garden of Eyes, which is a whole.

other ball game. Oh yeah. Give me the cable. You got the cable? Because Mitch, Mitch, our drummer, started writing a lot of riffs as well, and he wrote this at home,

and then I had to figure out how the fuck he was playing it. Made no sense to my brain. Your drummer, Mitch, is also a psycho. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. So he uses, like, a lot of, like, natural... Is it natural harmonics? Yeah, is that what that's called? It's a lot of that, but with this...

Can I hardly riches. So like Whatever it is So yeah The natural harmonic side of it is super cool Because it's like another type of clashy thing you can do Just find anything like that Yeah it's just another cool noise you can make

So he wrote a whole riff I think that wasn't even when we had this yet Neither So like But he found a way to manipulate the pitchfork Yeah If he worked out of the buttons And the interface on it

yeah. So yeah, natural harmonics and this thing is just another fun thing you can do with a man. So many cool things. Like two octaves is kind of nearly too much for that. That's piercing. But if you use the low note,

low string, the two octaves, it's always sick. That's sad. That's the rip. Hey, I was going to ask you real quick, Scotty, that the chorus to Akudama, do you like You go up and you like this high thing and there's two parts to it, right?

The lead. I try to play it and it's really hard. And there's a lead. That palm muting pattern is really hard. I try to play it. I'm like, I... You got to reverse it on the second half. I felt sad.

That's kind of like, I think I like to do a lot is weird. Yeah. I really like to do weird, palm-muty things. It just makes them more interesting to me. But yeah, the end of that is... It's just backwards, basically. It feels cool. I don't think of other ones who do like that.

Like, what's like... You do like that. You do this weird, like, high thing. I'm like, what's the fuck's he doing? I've never played that. No, I just played that. It's on tracks, I don't know. I saw you play it.

Really? Yeah. I saw you play it on a video. Oh, yeah, I played it for the video, but I've never played it again. No idea what it is. Call me out on YouTube. Fuck, whatever.

Dude, I just don't like playing leads live. It's not fun. Oh, yeah. So we just don't. Interesting. The important ones, maybe. But I feel like we've talked. We started throwing a couple in the live set.

We talked about that more like, this song needs two rhythms. Yeah. It's way more punchy. I don't want to be sitting there playing some fiddley fucking lead. I'm going to fuck up because I'm not a lead player. I'm a rhythm. So I just didn't do it. And it's been on track seven since I played this song.

I mean, we're running all the time throughout the song. Yeah, we'll play each other's pedals during the show as well. Just for fun. I mean, the chorus is funner to play. Yeah. And then reverse it. And then reverse it. Little things like that, you know.

Yeah. Even that was like, what the fuck? Yeah. You got to be born in Tasmania to know that fucking. I don't know. I don't know. It's just weird, fun little things. I'm trying to think.

What key is that in, Scotty? Oh, do we're playing keys, man. Come on. There you go. Dude, that's got that, that's got a group tour. We've been talking about it before. I like that. Just wrote it right now.

There you go. Boom. That's all that. Is that too, is that too Alpha Wolf? That's exactly how it should be. Got it. That's sick.

It's fucking perfect. So fun. I love that. What's the, which I think I might have to trade off to you guys. What's the chorus to, bleed for you that one

see that's in the weird tuning we're talking about it oh fuck so you got to tune your top string down two semi tones oh shit okay the chords in that are so sick but I don't know how you came up with them again it's just simple man I don't know so this is the tuning

but then yeah it's just obvious like did I tune it wrong I tuned it wrong I'm an idiot I can't see what? It's an F, sorry. I was like, why don't that sound? You go to a T.

So it's just octum. Another one. So 035. Yeah. 8.10. You said it should be in drop G with your top string down two semi-turns. So if you tune your low string to G.

It was in A, wasn't it? It's A, but it's in G because of this. Yeah, so tune your low string down to G. 8.10? 3, 6. to the 3-5. It was really playing with the dissonant and octave side of shit. Here you go.

All right. Yeah. That's it. And then... Yeah. So weird. Yeah, man. Okay, got it.

The cool thing with the tuning is like, like the second half of the chorus adds, like, some extra notes that you couldn't do in a normal tuning. Like a... I don't know how you do this in normal tuning, but it's like 8, 10, 6. Has this real dissonant, but cool feel to it? It's like a lot of prettiness, but there's this weird darkness about it. Is that where you're playing when I'm doing the higher stuff? That's cool.

Yeah, you never play that. Oh, that's cool. That's a cool chord. Whatever, I can hardly do it, honestly. That's my fingers. I'm having a chill time over here. but that's the whole thing about this tuning is just finding weird things about it

like what else we play in this hotel underground's probably the only cool riff we ever have that's just weird shit all over the place what else we have in this tuning can you remember the feign breakdown that's so cool is that D sharp

I can't remember it might be so bad with these tunings I wish I still remember that song because every time I watch that video on YouTube I'm like, oh, that's not look so fun. Is that the... Did that it?

Fuck, man. I haven't played this in a minute. I don't know how to play everyone's songs. It's a bitch right down. That's cool, that. I can hardly remember it. No, no, though. Again, this is, yeah, drop G with a D sharp on the top, so it's just octave city.

And then just dissonance when it's chugging. Just simple boring shit. I don't know. It's cool. I don't like playing complicated rips. Stupid's hard. Stupid is hard, like we said at the start. Stupid rips are hard to do, man. Yeah, it's all about getting the right vibe.

It is, man. And sometimes you find it quick, sometimes you don't. Sometimes it takes a career. Sometimes it takes this fucking pedal. That pedal is sick. What an invention. Do you have any... Do you guys feel any...

Because your record... been out for a year yeah yeah came out of April 24 right April 5th nice yeah so you feel any pressure now knowing that everyone kind of has one of your like staples it kind of gives us something to do in terms of creating something new yeah we always want to be like different in some sense of yeah small world of metal core so now that everyone has this pedal let's what's the next thing yeah let's go beyond and find the That weird crazy trombone xylophone thing. I don't know.

Trombone pedal, dude. Trombone pedal. I don't think it's like we wouldn't use it, but I don't think I'd use it as much. If we never put this out, I think we would use it more. I think that we did put it out. It was like, it's kind of like a staple, like a, I don't even know what the word is for it. But it's like we've put it out. We've done the thing.

It's like now it's, yeah, now it's like what's after that. That's doing the thing. Yeah. And we didn't want to not put it out. Yeah. Who deserved to have it? Because I think it's sick. It's a sick pedal, dude.

I mean, it's going to be in my rig. Sick. I love that. I mean, that's the whole point. It's like we sent so many out at the start to like a lot of friends. One, because we wanted them to try it and two, like, it was just cool to let people. Hearing feedback was so awesome. Yeah.

Yeah. Just knowing that we were right. Yeah. Yeah. We're like, thank God. It's a great pedal, man. Thank you. Yeah.

I'm hyped about it all. So, yeah. So all the feedback's good. All the. it went like honestly went too well like nothing fucked up like it should of yeah you know when something goes too well and you're like why like why like something should have gone wrong but it didn't just all went well you sent you sent it out to a mirror um um j j july jt got one good he wants 10 he wants midi versions because he's a computer wizard and loves everything going through his computer

the only thing people complained about was it doesn't have midi and it doesn't sorry our guy couldn't figure it out. We don't use MIDI. What do we need MIDI for? We didn't do it. But yeah, JT was like sick. I need like five of them now. Yeah, we showed him the prototype. We got it on the tour we were doing with Amuah and he was losing his mind. Yeah. Yeah. Which is sick. Because again, another inspiration for it for sure. Yeah. Glass cloud stuff. Tony Danza stuff. Yeah, man. Or even Amur stuff as well. But yeah, his earliest stuff is always being like, of course. Whammy orientated. So, yeah, it's just straight at Whammy to do. yeah like tony dan's i think tony is it tony tans tony tans a two i think is the record i'm

thinking of but i fucking love that record he uses it uses whammy stuff all over it's so dope so yeah now he now he has one but he wants five yeah do you put him in the put him in a fucking series yeah well we put out a limited edition version as well like a red uh i saw i saw that red one pretty sick yeah yeah that was for like the one year anniversary of the album which was just like a cool like limited like it's only i don't know i'm the 100 of them exist. They're all hand, not hand numbered, but they all are numbered as well, which is cool. We didn't want to go too crazy on the different colors and everything of it. It was special to do it for the album anniversary, but we do just want the one staple version, and it speaks

for itself that it doesn't need to be a hype collector piece. It's like, no, it does the one thing, and you want the one thing. See, I really wanted it to be a hype collector piece, and then you convince me otherwise. Because I'm like, you see a red whammy, and you're like, it's the fucking whammy, right? So I want people to see that and be like, it's the noise. Yeah, that color way is the pedal where like i guess you know the digit tech whammy has limited edition our marketing doesn't need to be heaps of different color ways it is what it is it does it perfect that's the marketing done yeah what if it's like a a bronze no like the the clon is it the clon that's bronze uh maybe the centaur thing is that bronze i don't know gold bronze

maybe i'm watching too much too much i want it to be gold gold gold would be pretty hot yeah diamond knobs we'll put some of our isn't it cool to put like some of your blood in the pedal

oh yeah have it see to with our blood in it oh that's weird we should do that so many different versions but then you guys come out with the version three

and we'll be like we have but there's something about the version one yeah yeah yeah yeah god it's how it's how it's how it is man you can never win

it's how it's I mean Scotty's still got the prototype on his board. I can't see it, but he's been too lazy to put the actual one on his board. Yeah. So that's what they first looked like.

That was the second version we got. We all got one of these basic unpainted versions. It's cool. The original prototype on it. The original prototype looks like shit. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

It was just, you know, label makeup, knobs. Yeah. I got that in my house. You guys, you guys are doing what I want to do. Like, I want to have like the quad going.

We also want like a small little pedal board. It's annoying. Of like a few pedals. It's a very annoying. The amount of cables we need to do it is so fucked up. But it's fun. And as soon as something goes wrong and you have five minutes to set up, you've got to go through every pedal, every cable, everything.

It's not just the quad. It could be a pedal that's got too much corrosion or something, but we do love having pedals at our feet. It's not going anywhere. That's what I want. We don't want our shows to be robotic. So all these pedals here make different noises, and you'll hear different stuff at every single show we perform.

We're playing to a click, so that's already robotic. We're trying to play tight. That's robotic. But everything we do with our pedals is different every single night. Scotty and I will play with each other's pedals and just be dickheads pretty much. And it's the one fun part we get to do. We get to play the same riffs every night, the same songs every night.

But this is going to be different. Yeah. Alpha was on. Does it do it? Like this pedal is just feedback. Oh, you got... You have a feedback portal. so they're hard to get now too

I want one I like them yeah stupid pedals I don't think I've seen a feedback pedal on a board yet so funny story I had a friend

give that to me from Bernie who had it given it to him from another Bernie dude and it's been on my pedal board ever since because nothing compares to it we have our noise gates really high on the quads

and this will instantly override noise gates really need to automate the noise gates on or off or anything it's just i want feedback if we're doing a big wall of death and we need to ring out for five minutes while lucky's like part the crowd part the crowd part the crowd feedback organic feedback ringing out the guitar yeah my gate doesn't turn my guitar off or anything um so it's a really special pedal because it's been handed down by johnny wilson who was a legendary guitarist in burney and to my mate ray fuck yeah ray oh fuck yeah ray um he gave me that problem

He's like, you might find a need for this, and I didn't know I wanted it, didn't know I needed it, and it's being the only constant on my pedal board since then. Really? Yeah. So shout out that pedal. Interesting. And apparently they're discontinued in boutique now, so they're really expensive.

We've used that on every record, too. Yeah. Every record. Just stacking that with a lead, stacking it with whatever. Yeah. We love stacking pedals and making new noises. Yeah. And we go to our local guitar.

car stores and try out pedals and we just turn everything up to 10 and hope it does something cool and if it doesn't next pedal. Up to 10. No, not cool. Up to 10. It's not bad. Put in the not bad pile.

That's how you figure it out. Yeah. Sometimes you're like I'm a big plug-in guy like I love getting every plugin I can and trying all the weird shit but there's something about having a physical pedal. Yeah, straight up. It's just different.

I know. It's just different, man. I'm in the same way to you. I think people go to, They go too overboard with like, okay, this is, I just, I want all brand new stuff. Yeah. Digital. I think there's always like, try both.

Yeah. Yeah. There's a nice hybrid somewhere. There is. That, you know, I don't know if we haven't found it yet, but having the pedals is nice. Like, when we play back home or when we get enough space or time, we'll play with cabs too. Just, yeah. It's nice to have that feeling on stage of.

Yeah. Again, the amount of cables we need to run fucking cabs. Oh, my God. When you have a digital rig now, like you make, we made our rig. so small and condensed and then we're like but what if we brought cabs back? And it's such a headache but it is a nice hybrid of like the analog world

I guess. Still having the cab but having the digital easy side you know yeah we use cab still you still use it? Yeah it's just a little fucking power amp there are you know all that brand smear down is a little be happy happy cab yeah yeah that's what we got it's great I love it's like but we need long ass

speaker cables oh yeah you guys got lion cables I mean yeah Lion cable was in and out of the center return of this. It's the whole thing. Yeah. But we do it. But we do it for us.

I'm doing the same thing, dude. Yeah. Because I'll test things. Okay, what sounds better? Like, I love chorus, but the chorus on this sounds better. So, okay, so, okay, so stupid, no brain logic, I'm going to keep the chorus there. Yeah. I like flanger.

Okay, so I try to flanger on that, it's not sick. I try my flancher pedal here. Well, that's better. Okay, now I'm going to have a flanger pedal. Yeah. You know. Exactly the way you shouldn't be doing it. It's just like, test it out, okay, what's fucking better?

Okay, then keep that. Erase that. Yeah. I mean, I get it with like touring and traveling now, like especially flying. Like you want it to be as condensed as possible. Sure. So like fly rigs being just cord cortex. Yeah, our pedal boards used to be a lot bigger than this,

but then we managed to fit both of our pedal boards in one little travel case with the cables and downsize. We get five puttles each that works. Yeah. If we have more than five, too bad. It doesn't work. Yeah, dude, shit's different now, man It felt so weird Like having the rig always in my hand

Yeah, yeah Being on the airplane It's like my rig's right up in my head right now It's crazy Different world, man Yeah, I was a fucking hater, man But I'm a full believer now Full believer

Full on, dude I wish I did it sooner Yeah You know It's just easier And like in most cases It's safer Like it should always work

Should always work Rather than an amp in a head for the cab. It has been more consistent. Yeah. It is more like, okay, this is,

all right. Same, same shit every night. Yeah. That's what you want. You want consistency. And because you fly in, there's like these,

like these front-in-heads, like, it's not like shit. It's like, man. We've never done that. No, we haven't.

We were always digital. We'd retired heads by the time we started traveling a fair bit. Yeah, you guys put on Kemper first, right? Yeah, campers first,

then swap to the quads. So we've always been digital. Wow. So we never, we never struggled with that. Thank God. I toured in a local band where when Alpha Wolf was first traveling, I had the 6505 and even then it was like,

some days it didn't sound right. Yeah. Yeah, some days it's always different. Yeah. Dude, we will fucking just fucking carry our full stacks upstairs, our fucking two-heads, like, fridges. Yeah. If we were like, for carrying, fucking upstairs, you're like, damn,

it was fucking crazy. Different time. I remember someone to tell me from one in like the other bands, like, is it worth a good? Garza. Oh my God. Fuck. You're going to get big enough that someone carries it for you.

Yeah, man. This was fucking 06. Shit. Man. That fucking sucked. I mean, even the Alastair was carrying cabs on a flight to stairs. We were like, is it worth it? Is it worth it?

Is it worth it? Is it worth it? Is it worth it? It's a fucking worth it. I'm debating of a... This is the second part where we done where we actually went to the show it first and ended a pot after. So this is the second time I've ever done that.

Oh shit. Oh, we do that first time, too? Yeah. Yeah, we did. Nice. I think we did. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I'm debating if I'm going back with the show.

When does, uh... You got time, man. Yeah, when does the show you usually end? Nine, ten o'clock? Yeah, I can't remember. Oh, it's early one. It's early. It's a night.

Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. There's some time, but yeah, it's very early compared to most shows. 930. Yeah. Especially how many bands are on it? Yeah.

Eight bands. Ooh. Yeah. Big one. It's a big boy. Yeah. Long day in the sun. Glad it's not me.

I'd be dying out there, man. Your summer's brutal. It really is. It's only getting hotter. Yeah. It's honestly, the weather today was nice compared to. Where were we, Phoenix? Phoenix was bad.

Phoenix was bad. It's always Phoenix and Texas. That are ones. Yeah, well, actually, we've done most of the bad ones. We did Florida and then Texas and then Phoenix. Outta boy. So we really just, like, said, fuck it, and go straight into the heat.

Yeah. And they were all very hot. I was going to say horrible. It wasn't horrible. It was just very hot. How's the, you guys, you guys get out catering and. Oh, it's insane. It's such a different.

Breakfast, lunch and dinner. Yeah. God, so sick. It's such a different tour for us. Like, nearly having a normal day. Like, we, I mean, we and you go to bed early. The other guys don't really. I'm in bed by like 10.30, 11, like up at 7.

Nice. Like, going to get breakfast, like a normal day. Yeah. round midday. Wow. Play it 3.30. finished and packed up completely by five. Yeah, trailers packed by five.

And dinner time. And dinner at six and then you like, chill out. Watch a band. Yeah. Mike Commodore, podcast. Yeah, it could get a podcast. Yeah. Why?

So this one is good way to do with close it off. What, uh, so was there like a discussion that you guys are going to do this one sober? Yeah, a little bit. Last year we all, I think, went a bit too hard. Yeah. And we just had to make a conscious decision to monitor that, stay on top of it. It creeps up. It does.

We didn't notice it, but then we did. I think it's like as our band grew and we realized we were allowed to add to our rider. Oh, yeah. And because it's on the rider, you're getting it every day. And it's like, oh, shit, what's going on here? So we just took a step back. We're like, let's see if we can do this without it, without drinking. And it's been awesome.

I haven't lost anything yet. It's very easy to get into the... Easy to pack down. Yeah, that is easy. I was also meaning like the doing it every day thing. You kind of get in, I mean, everyone gets in bad habits, you know? Yeah. This is one of those things where it's like...

I've been there. Make sure, you know, even for me personally, I'm like, I probably haven't not drank this long since I was 18 when you can drink back. home. Yeah. So it's more like a personal thing for me for that. How old are you, Scottie? I'm 30.

30, okay. It was different for all of us. Like, I don't drink at home. Yeah. But tour, I definitely went hard. Yeah. And too hard on a lot of days. Didn't realize it because I'm not drinking at home.

But tour became this thing where I like definitely got way too loose sometimes. Yeah. And, you know, embarrassing myself and just doing dumb shit and not playing well. and then there's a middle ground to be found some some of our biggest shows that we've ever done i can't remember properly because i was too drunk and it's like you know not realizing at the time that that was a problem um yeah we just decided to clean it up a bit this tour the last couple of tours and just get on top of it and it's we're not missing it's like i'm a little more bored yeah it's definitely boring days yeah but i just like being a

to go to bed at a nice time. Loading out and packing down is really easy. Performing is somewhat just as easy. Yeah. Probably not as loose around the edges, but, you know, I'm still having fun. But everything is not a bad thing to say about. No. No.

It's just like the culture, you know. Yeah. Music's the drinking culture. I mean, we're touring with so many of our icons. A bit more nerve wracking to go up and say hello. You know, you don't have that liquid courage, but we're getting there. Yeah. We're hanging out, vibing.

It's all a good test, you know. Just make sure, you know, you're doing it for the right reasons, I think. I think that's important. It's smart, man. Yeah. At 30? Yeah, it's gnarly, dude. Yeah, I mean, most people are kind of going pretty hard right now.

And again, this might not be a for everything. It might be like, you know, let's not do it as much thing. It's like, you know, it's just making sure you, you know, you got yourself in check to be like, make sure you're good. Yeah. That's all it is. It's awesome. Yeah.

Nice and responsible of us, right? 30 year old is not drinking. But honestly, I do feel better. I feel way better. I think it's a good decision. Yeah. And dude, you know, no alcohol beers? Not bad.

Yeah, we've been doing that a lot. Yeah. Because honestly, like, after the show, I think I do miss it the most. Just, you know, an after show, like, sit down, like, have a drink with the guys and be like, how's the show? Like, what was everyone's favorite thing? It's like, that part of it is hard. said literally but we got no alcohol beers and we're like sit down and we have a beer after the show and you know talk about the show like it's like normal so read all the comments oh no don't read the

comments no we don't read the comments but we talk about you we talk about all of you okay first cut back on drinking and then we're going to cut back on yes yeah that's the big we're becoming men i'm still trying turning 40 in like five months oh shit yeah so still still still still still still trying to be grow up to be a man. Hey man. I don't think it ever ends. No. I'm still learning shit.

I mean, that's life, right? You don't want to be, you don't want to be not learning anything at 40. No. Still shit to be learned up. Yeah. No. That sounds boring. If you learn to all, what are you doing?

No. One of the biggest mistakes I ever made in my career where I stopped learning and I thought I knew it all. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of the biggest mistakes I made. Respect. Let's keep learning. I think that that's our purpose.

You learn, you learn, you learn, you learn. learn you learn you do over pressure and then you die yeah i think that's uh one of the one of the purposes of being a man yeah i respect that i respect it yeah and then you die then you die yeah it's brutal yeah i like it let's let's i mean i no one like to know it all or someone that considers himself no at all yeah if i if i come across someone that kind of thinks you know it all you know i wouldn't hang around them yeah you're not even a person i would hang around Yes, right up. Or someone that's, like, negative, that you're going to reading something?

Like, why? You wouldn't, you would never hang around this person. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, what if I was sitting here just talking shit to you? I was, you're never going to talk to Garza ever again. I'm getting to fuck out of here. We're never talking to Garza again.

Garza got weird, dude. He got old and bitter and weird. Dude, guys are 740 and got weird. No, I'm just getting more dumb. Fuck, yeah. That's one thing you realize. You're getting older and he's get, Dumber.

I think I lose my memory a lot. Already? I just think it's crazy that you get older and you realize that like your parents never really knew what the fuck they were doing. Oh, yeah. I think kind of blows my mind. I'm like, man. There are people too.

Yeah. We're all just figuring out as we go. Still figuring it out. No one knows. No one knows. Get deep. No one knows. What happens after you died?

No one knows. No. Yeah. People might be 10, but it's nice to believe in some. I believe in faith and stuff That's cool But you really don't know No idea

Yeah that's Yeah there's Yeah there's There's quite a few questions I want to never be answered What happens After you die What do riffs come from

That's that's always my like What is the best breakdown in the world No one will live in there Maybe it's still to come I'll ask people What do you think riffs come from And I guess no one really knows Yeah

You just sit there And sometimes it comes out And you're like Does that exist Yeah sick cool it doesn't exist I'm like yes didn't rip that off yeah yeah yeah well uh did uh is there anything you guys want out there did I did I miss anything about about Alpha Wolf is there something that maybe should be brought up I like I like always pose I think you

ticked all the boxes right we do be rocking we do be vibing we'll be rocking around the country for the next minute we're trying to hit the hundred care on YouTube and it's not there yet. It's a trap to our YouTube. Yeah. We're trying. Where we at? We're at 35 and we do put some quality content up.

I would agree. Yeah, there's some good content. Maybe not constantly enough. Yeah, we're working on it. I've done a four camera angle multi-cam today. That'll pop up. Don't have to mix that? Already up.

Yeah. I need to mix that. So we're always working on stuff. Yeah. We're always touring around. We're doing our thing. Yeah. Buy a noise pedal.

They're fucking cool. They are very cool. Shout out, yeah. I don't know. I'll put a link to the noise pedal in the YouTube. Sick. Sweet. YouTube and audio.

Shout out, Talent Electric. Thank you so much for making the noise pedal a reality. Yeah. Shout out. Dude, when I got hit up by Tim, I was honored. I was like, they have their own pedal? Yeah. Oh, shit, okay.

That was dope. Two legendary dudes looking after that company. Yeah. And making out. dreams that we didn't know existed a reality. Dude, we gave our pedal to call. You guys gave you a fucking pedal to call. That's sick, dude.

And we got a photo. Of course, we got a photo. You guys post a photo? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can link it somewhere. Yeah, is it in your personal or on the band? It's on my personal. Okay, well, we'll find it.

Then once we're talking about it right now, we'll put it on screen. Well, what if you meet corn at six bucks? It gave them your own pedal? Yeah. Yeah, it's a sick. Not bad for a band from Tasmania. Right. Wild.

Being kids. Riffing. Seeing silver chair. Crazy well. It's been quite a journey. Yeah. And it's not stopping anytime soon. It's not stopping.

We got more shit to do. Yeah. Scottian and Savian, it's been really cool for me to be on the outside and seeing what your band has been doing. Appreciate it. So congratulations on all the success of your band. Thank you, man. It's awesome, man. Where can people find you guys?

Instagram. I don't know. My ad, Scotty Simpson, I think it is. And Sabian Lynch. Alpha Wolf Cult, but we spelled Cult with a V because it looks cooler on every social media platform. You can find we own Al Wolf Col. Yeah. I had to find the one handle to rule them all.

And Spotify. Spotify is fun. Yeah, I'll come to a show. Yeah. I'll come to a show. It's funer than Spotify. Yeah. I agree.

We travel a lot, so we'll see you there. All right, cool. You guys are going to Europe too, right? Yeah, Europe in October, we're straight from the path. I see. They last Europe tour. Nice. So that'll be dope and sad because I like that band.

Yeah. That'd be awesome. And we need to write some music. Yeah, I should do that. Yeah. There's something in the bank a little bit. Well, now you guys don't have an excuse. You guys cut back on drinking.

That's it. You guys don't have an excuse. Maybe we got more excuses. There is that. too, you're right. It's like, well, I'm lazy now. I don't know going out today. Yeah.

Whatever. It's been a year. It's already the time. I know. I do that. You're right, though. When that time comes back around, I'm like, fuck, we just put out of record. Oh, that was last year.

Oh, no. It's time already. It happens. Happens. It happens quick, too. Especially in the position that you guys are in. Cool. Yeah.

I'm stoked. I'm so what you guys have. I've come up next. Thank you, man. Oh, yeah. Thank you. All right, everyone. That's it.

Later. Hey, Ruth. Oh.