Garza Podcast - 195 - BRUTALITY PODCAST: Deathcore, Myspace & Reflection

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

Garza sits down in-person with Yan Blanchette & Dom Dez. Hosts for Brutality Podcast. https://youtube.com/@brutalitypodSPONSORS:Sweetwater - https://imp.i114863.net/rnrmVBDistroKid - https://distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF!00:00 - “Yan”06:13 - How Yan & Dom Met10:03 - Starting the Brutality Podcast12:43 - Deathcore Nostalgia // Myspace Era21:19 - Meditation22:30 - Myspace Deathcore Revival25:24 - Band/Industry Strategy33:53 - Who Invented Deathcore?48:45 - Suicide Silence Return?50:24 - Podcasting, Intention & Passion57:01 - Finn McKenty & Punk Rock MBA1:04:20 - Deathcore Backlash, Haters1:16:08 - Theo Von “Fan” Confrontation1:28:21 - Hosting vs Guesting1:32:00 - Reflecting1:40:18 - Top 5 Deathcore Bands1:51:17 - Worst Deathcore Trends1:56:55 - Not Moving on Stage

Okay, so how do you, how exactly, so I was struggling, how exactly do you say your name? Okay, the thing is I struggle to and that's why he's laughing. Yeah, no, yeah, it's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. Do you mean my YouTube channel name or my actual name? Both, I mean, probably both. Okay, so my name in French is Yan, but it's not a, like, a sound that people in English just say. So people call me either like Iyin or like yon.

Yon. Ian, is that? Ian? Ian? Yeah, like I. Why? Why Ian? That's just what people call me. Or yawn? I was saying yawn. And then I heard you say, then I was saying it wrong. Oh, shit, I've been saying it wrong.

Yon. Well, pretty much everybody's saying it wrong. And I'm okay with it, right? Because it's not, it's a weird, I think, sound that we say in Canada in French, but like people don't really. So it's yon, but it's not really kind of a sound. So people call me like yawn. and for the most part, I would say, right? Okay.

But even myself, like, I swear my channel name, I cannot say it. I don't think I can say it. So, okay. I just, I wrote it. It works. Cannot say it. So that's, that's how it is. Okay.

So would you prefer Yan? Yeah. That was perfect. Yeah. Okay. There we go. Jan. Dom.

Yes. What's up? Thank you guys for being here. Thank you, man. Stoke to be here. From the brutality podcast. Sick, dude. Congrats on 100.

episodes i know that that's a milestone thank you pretty sick yeah we don't really realize that's the thing to it right like when you told me a hundred a episode i'm like no like i don't i don't think he's like dude it's been 100 it's been 100 yes yeah in the triple digits dude it's a trip it's it's really a trip and again it's gonna sound cliche but it's like we show up and we just get to hang out it's just fun it doesn't really feel like work right so for us to be at a hundred I was just like, really? Like, for us, it just feels like showing up. It's just doing it.

Yeah. A lot of good times. Oh, really? Well, it's crazy. Right now, we're working right now. Yes, sir. I'm at work right now. This is crazy.

It's amazing. It's locked in. I'm like, this is our lives. It really is. And you've built, I mean, you've built it, right? That's the crazy thing. No one can do it. Your own boss, your everything.

It's kind of a trip. Has it pros and cons. For sure. People, uh, people want to do stuff, I realize because they want their own hours. But once they get into it, you realize there are no hours. Yeah. Yeah. Double-edged sword. It's kind of, for sure. It's like, no, like, your own hours is maybe you get the pick when you wake up, but not really. It's like how much work you want to get done because it's all on you. It's actually, uh, your own hours turns to

more hours. People who, who say they don't want to work in nine to five and they want to be their own boss, they end up working 80 hours a week. Yeah. I feel like 24-7. Yeah. I've been, I've been, I literally sitting here or in the other room on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day and seeing other people in like this world. Oh, I'm in Capoon or out of the office and they're at the beach and on Christmas Day I'm here. I'm like, okay, cool. Cool. That's my life. That was all right.

Cool. I mean, I'll do that soon, but not yet. Not yet. Not yet. No, 24-7. One day it was a day before Thanksgiving. I was driving here, it was late, it was like, it was probably 10 p.m. And there was someone taking drugs at front of the gate here.

So I couldn't get in. I was just, I was waiting. I was like circling a block way. I'm going to wait until those guys done, doing drugs in front of the gate. But you know, whatever. It's one day. It's a way to start today. I mean, yeah, you know.

But I like to say that like when you work for yourself, you're like, I'm the worst boss I've ever had. That's kind of, oh, wow. Yeah, seriously, no one is going to make me work more than me. I think you can attest. It's the same for you, too. But that's a crazy thing. When you tell people that you do your own, you know, I have a podcast or do your own thing, people in their mind what they think is, oh, you have so much, it's so cool, you know, you work when you want.

They think you work like 20 hours and you're just like, chill. And I'm like, oh, no, you have no idea. Like, I'm sleeping and I'm working, like things. So, you know what I mean? Totally. Yeah. Yeah, and you're working when you're sleeping. Because you can't shut your brain off.

It's just, like, constantly going. I'm like, I'm like, you shut up. Your brain's like, shut your brain up, dude, but it keeps going. But something worse than that is when it stops. Yeah. You know, it just stops and there's something wrong. Yeah. For sure.

You know, but yeah, I just want to say real quick that I respect what you guys have been doing. You know, you guys have been waving the, like the flag, really for a death core. And I had this, you know, just scrolling YouTube and I keep seeing your stuff. Hell yeah, man. That's kind of surreal. That's cool, man. It's a trip to hear you say that. I'll be honest, but thank you.

You never know who's watching, me. I just started getting our stuff on my own feed, so. Oh, wow. Doing something right now. Yeah. It's working. It's working. No, thank you for real.

It's been a trip. We had no idea, right? When we started this, I didn't even know, like, how to be right? two people you know what like it's it's like I don't want it's kind of random right at first we had nothing it's like no episode so we're starting something and we were on twitter checking and it's just it took off and people just went with it that's sick it's the best surprise of of all I would have expected so many people to be like who are you even you know what that kind of answered and never really we've been we've been blessed we've been blessed with yeah well if people giving us time

a day you know good well you guys went into it with uh with the obvious obsession and passion and knowing uh knowing what what we guys are talking about so that's that's that's really cool and you guys uh so you guys met on the internet right so so so so first you you hit up dom first correct yeah okay and that's a whole thing and then and then he didn't answer you back exactly he goes in me okay um that's not too sure under the bus that's what he did uh i saw ADHD baby yeah Oh, he's saying that. He was just mean. But yeah, so how it would happen is he did like an interview with Angel Maker, right? Mike, right?

Yeah, exactly. And I really enjoyed it. I was just like, and I knew he wasn't a band, you know, he was touring. So I knew who he was. I didn't know he was doing interviews. So I'm like, dude, that's so sick. So kind of a has me. Like I sent like this super long message.

I'm saying, oh, that's super cool. Saw it. Nothing. Left him on red. So that's why I started my whole channel just. So that the answers, I mean, I'm kidding. But, yeah, so we met online, but living an hour away from each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And both you guys are based at Canada, right? Yes, okay. What's the exact area? Like Montreal suburbs. Okay. Yeah, he's maybe like an hour, hour 15 out of Montreal. I'm just outside of Montreal. Yeah.

Okay. Cool. Yeah. And then you start your own channel, and then Dom hits you up to help you with their Discord, right? Yeah. Okay, exactly. I see his channel popping up, right? I start seeing his videos. And, and I'm like, this guy looks familiar. I don't know. Who the hell is this guy? He's the guy I ghosted. Well, I go to DM him and I'm like, oh, I never replied to this guy.

So I thought he started talking, but yeah. So he felt bad basically as I would start. He's like, I'm going to help him at least with his Discord, you know, I was mean. No, but that was really kind, right? Because I'll be honest with you. I wanted to start a Discord. I'm terrible with these things. I'm honestly, like, horrible. these things. I'm like, I don't know. I just announced, like in one of my videos, I'm going to start a channel, like a Discord. I thought it was simple. And then he wrote to me and I'm like, it's not simple. It's really not. So he set up the whole thing. But you know the wild thing that happened? I talked to this guy. And do you remember how long it was the first call? I mean, look, I think I could talk before like seven, eight hours, right? Yeah. That's sick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy. We had to at one point be like, all right, we got to chill. We got to go sleep or something. Yeah, cool.

And then we did it again the next day. To be fair, we kind of still do that. That's the wild part. But you know what happened in my mind? I didn't even know what I wanted to do. But just talking with him, correct me if I'm wrong. But I think I told him something like, I don't know what I want to do with you, but I don't want it to be just you helping me with the, we need to do something together.

We need to, I don't know what it is. We'll figure it out. I want to work with you. I think. Yeah. Yeah. So it started like this. really and then I mean we're here so it's it's kind of it you guys are here true I don't I still

don't realize I'm I'm being fully honest I my mind is constantly like oh yeah you're here so it's it's really yeah you guys put yourselves here now I always I always say that I mean there's always like you know a hint of luck here and there but I always told you know band or something yeah you like you put you put yourself here you know it's it in a way work yeah exactly it doesn't feel like like like work but I would be lying if I said that like we don't actually work on it. It's important for us to, you know, we talk about constantly like, oh, maybe we could do this better.

And then he has to deal with the fact that I never stopped talking. So like our meeting is like 80% me saying random stuff about my life. And then he's trying to be productive wouldn't that. Would that be accurate? Yeah, yeah, sure. I got a, I'm the guy with the lists. We slowly, slowly go through the points between, uh, between all the stories. Oh, good.

All right, so you guys, you guys develop the podcast, right? And then you didn't even show up for the first episode, right? I didn't believe in it. No, I'm kidding. Okay. I thought it was kind of horrible. No, I don't even remember, honestly. So, I mean, we were, we were kind of just streaming on Twitch randomly.

We were just like, okay, we'll show up and we'll do a tier list. Or we watched the Mitch Lucker Memorial. a whole performance and we did a tier list of best performance and Stom horse performance that sort of stuff right and then at some point we were like

oh like you know it could be cool to do some guests as he mentioned you know he had seen me do it before and that's something you know we knew some people with you know we could maybe give this give this a try and I just think you know we were like okay let's let's dedicate you know let's do one a week

like from the bat we're like okay if we go in let's go all in and um but we got the last minute guest and it was like I don't know I think he had work and it was just like I just couldn't and I I was like furious like I was like I cannot believe that we're starting this and you know I won't be but at the same time you know what I really trusted him since the start I know it's going to sound cheesy but like I really I'm like you know what it is what it is just and yeah I know it's going to be cool but yeah I guess I won't either but I mean early early on right

we now it's easy like we do this every Wednesday yeah it's easy to tell other commitments or other jobs or other things like hey i i am not available on every wednesday night right but back then it wasn't already established and it was the last minute thing so it's just you know something came up but yeah so i didn't show up for my my own podcast that's cool cannot set up my own discord i didn't know anything but that's fine dom helped me with my uh discord yeah he uh he he he because i was struggling to set up art discord for for the podcast i didn't even know was working. Yeah.

I was like, okay, I turn it on, but I don't know if it's working. And then thankfully, Dom hit me up and gave me some help. Now it's up and he's going. That's cool. That's really, oh, he is. I don't want to embarrass you or anything. But, like, that's really how he loves to help people with that stuff. You know what I mean?

So it's, and that's how it started. But, like, he told me it will happen. And he was happy to help you, honestly. We're just like, I appreciate that, John. You know? Of course, man. Yeah, we all win. in yeah yeah because dumb's more you're more you're more you're more on like the streaming world right yeah yeah um

yeah i kind of work in the streaming world and then i just obsessed with all things tech and like you know just making things work you know so all that sort of stuff uh okay so what okay so obviously why you're here you guys uh started this uh death core channel right and you seems they both have this uh what's the obsession with 2006 You tell me, Chris. I don't know. I don't fucking know. It's a big thing.

Do you want to start? You're really good at this. Well, look, I mean, for us, like, you know, if I go back to 2006, I'm 16, right? And that's, that's, you know, Death Corps is starting up. But that's also kind of my introduction to heavy music. Yeah. Right? So listening to maybe Lincoln Park and maybe some, like, emo, screamo music and all this sort of stuff.

But then all of a sudden there's this world that opens with. like, hey, there's like suicide science, early, like the EP stuff and job for a cowboy and Whitechapel and all these things. And for us, I guess, you know, we're both more so yen than me, but we're both nostalgic people, right? And that's where kind of like all of all of the obsession kind of began, like from the beginning that it's like, we found that thing that we were like, wait, this is sick and we're going to like hyper-focused on this thing ever since. Right. And then, and now it's, you know, it's, uh, 20, years later 20 years of looking this shit up please don't say that I mean but but that's what it is right

like 20 years of keeping up with the with the genre of like witnessing it and the highs and the lows and just always trying to find new bands I have an obsession with like finding new bands the underground bands and all that stuff and that goes all the way back to the my space top eights and all these things so it's like one of those things that you know now we're we're at a point where we can kind of share that stuff with people because it's like not available online. Like my space is in a thing anymore. You can't go back into the blogs. If you don't know what you're looking for,

you can't really find it. Even when you do know, it's still hard to find. So for us, it's kind of, I don't know, we just kind of obsessed over that thing that really got us excited when we got into heavy music, you know? And for, for me, because I could talk about this for like 15 hours, easily, but let's do it. Yeah, okay, so we're sleeping here.

But yeah, no. So for me, it's everything he said. And I'm super nostalgic, right? Like, I love those, like, were the best years, MySpace and everything. But there's also musically, I love when it, I'm still listening to the suicide science EP, but like almost every day. Like, not kidding. Like, I'm not kidding. Like, just like swarm and everything.

It's still part of, like, everybody knows it. I love those kinds of production, really raw. Because it's so real. It's like people just being themselves. There's no, don't get me wrong. I mean, you did amazing things later on, but the fact that there's no label involved, there's nothing, it's just it's the Ben, it's their vision, it's themselves just, you know, experimenting. We keep talking about that, the experimental part of it is incredible, right? So not only does it bring you back, but then you hear it's so raw, pure and real that that's what I love. And if we talk about metal, I mean, It's the perfect kind of music to reflect that.

So I think that's why I still listen to all those. It's hard to find that sort of stuff. We've got a bit of a revival in that sense with like, you know, MySpace sounding Deathcore. Yeah. Now recently. Yes. But those are still few and far between in the grand scheme of Deathcore. But for the longest time, too, no band sounded like that anymore.

Right? So you got to go back to 2006. That's the only way. That's the only way. Yeah. man that of course sucks right now i'm just gonna go back to 2006 2005 it was like that for a minute man many years over a decade

arguably you know there's a little there's a big low yeah we often talk about the low yeah yeah the dark days dark days constantly talk about that you know it was a difficult which at the same time makes sense nothing like you know nothing last forever and then after a while kind of it becomes kind of one thing because people are all doing it. So then somebody's trying to change things and it's just moving on. People move on and stuff.

But I would have, this is something we always say, like, it is mind-blowing to me the state of death core in 2025. Oh, my God. You would have told me 10 years ago during the low days that the cycle would come back and people would be stoked on death core as much as they are in 2025, and I would have laughed at you. Yeah. Right.

So it is, it is kind of like, it's kind of surrounding. real to because because there is a bit of that reality too like for us it's cool we get to do the show and and talk about all these things but if deathcore never really came back no one would be watching no one you know it wouldn't it wouldn't be in the same i know wouldn't have the same impact yeah it's true yeah it is uh yeah the time definitely allows for for for that space to exist this too it's just timing yeah you know heavy music being as big as it is every sub genre is happening it's you know light It's crazy. Yeah, and new people getting into it, you know,

being interested in all these things. So that's, that's, that's, that, when we started this, I mean, the revival stuff was, was barely even starting, maybe had a few bands. For us, we, we thought we'd be surrounded by, the only people would be watching would be 30 plus year olds. And now, of a sudden, it's like a 50-50 split. After people watching are 17 years old.

And that's, that's mind-blowing to me. Yeah. Because they're like, I'm talking about bands from when I was 16. Why do you care? But they're genuinely interested. And in the sound. and in old bands, the new bands, all the stuff. So, oh, it's cool.

The best part is that they get it, man. They were not, like, the young, I'm talking specifically, like, revival. They're so young. Like, some of them are, like, 17, 18, and they get it, you know? Like, they weren't even there during those times, and they understand everything about it. And I'm hearing that same. They weren't even born.

Exactly. Which makes us feel bold all the time. Of course. You know, but still, it's amazing to see. And it's great. You know, I couldn't name, you know, Benz for hours. But like, it's to see young people like that just being excited and latch on to what we grew up, you know, we grew up on. And it must be a trip for you, Chris, honestly, to see that.

It's still, it's still crazy to trying to wrap my head around around what's going on. It's probably, it's going to last more years, too. Yeah. So I'm trying to definitely, like, being a smart human and trying to position myself and the band in that wave. Yeah. So I've actually purposely kind of held back on some new music and stuff, letting like those Lorna's and Slaughterers have their time and then the Whitechapels and I'm going to come in. And I'm going to fuck them up.

It's really cool. It's a trip, dude. Seeing kids listening to the music, new bands coming up, getting big, local bands are my, I mean, I'm lucky like that. The local scenes is. Here, here is kind of crazy, right? It's crazy. So many cool bands and, yeah. I.E. and Cali in Cali in general. It's kind of crazy.

It's literally in my, it's in my county. It's in the IE. You know, and we're, so as honest, it's an IE band. So having, like, the reverent, you got big-ass truck. Yeah. In which divides us. Emulet. I know I'm missing a few. But, I mean, it's, it's Riverside. Yeah.

It's Corona, Riverside, California. It's like, that's kind of weird. I don't even know. I don't know. I really haven't processed it actually. that I'm thinking about it in like real time. Sweet water. When the band needs anything for a tour or winning something here for the podcast,

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It's weird getting older. Like you're constantly working and working. I recently kind of, uh, I put it in my day just to sit and do nothing. This is like literally this week. Like sit a literally like, I sold it from a David from a king. Sure. He has like his, he talks about just sitting down there and fucking an hour and not doing anything. I'm like, I've just started doing that this week.

And the more of my mind's been gone. It's made, wow, I haven't thought about that ever, ever. Do you just kind of, do you like close your eyes and be or just like sit down and chill? No, it's here. Luckily, 7 p.m. this is when the sun kind of goes down. It's like, let this look. Just look at the sky. And let the mind dictate where the moment's going to go.

Interesting. I wish I'd done this a long time ago. But the life's been, the life's been going and going and going to fucking punch in the face every day. I'm like, you know what? just sitting back. Yeah. And I really should sit back and kind of think about where the genre is and where it's, how crazy it is, where it's at.

Yeah. I should definitely process those, those thoughts and feelings, you know. Yeah. It's funny how, you know, you talk about like IE bands, you know, there's so many of them doing like that specific sound. But I find it particular that it's like, okay, that used to be the scene here to, you know, whatever, 20 years ago. Oh, sure.

Yeah, it's 20 years ago. And it's weird that that same. that same bubble is like reforming in the same location. Yeah. You know, it could have been anywhere else. But there's because it already existed before it happens here to again. It's kind of weird. It's also a mindset too.

Remember the first time I met Reverend, I went to a show and El Snorn just talking to him. Oh, like you get it. Like you get it. They're like, what we're talking about. Yeah, people are talking shit on us. Those haters and, you know, fuck him. I was like, that's exactly how I was thinking back then. people are talking shit on you and like you don't care you keep fucking jamming I'm like oh they

I was like kind of look looking at one guy I was like kind of reminds me of me weird I'm like a 3-9-year-old man it's like looking at this kid that's still in a high school yeah yeah I was like wow you got a child you don't know about holy oh I mean are we learning it right now I mean maybe just the moment you know but yeah death corn is blood it's crazy you're it's wild while you're mentioning uh reverend I do you have there's stage presence too, right? Because there's something I want to talk about, if I may, is the stage prison, when you guys started, you were crazy on stage, right? I mean, for the longest time.

And that's so important. Not that you're not doing it. I just mean, like, it was insane. And what I'm seeing in, like, reverence and bands like that, it seemed to be kind of back, you know, because for a while, it's more of a performance and stuff, but the craziness maybe wasn't there anymore for a lot of bands. So to see that again and look at those crowds to you, right? It's a trip.

It must be a trip for YouTube because you get to relive that in a way. I have been like trying to relive it like just like Washington like, wow, being like an outsider and seeing like a band kind of do that. It's pretty cool. Yeah. And you probably also see the, you know, influence through it because obviously people have been very open about like, oh, it was suicide silence. They're my influence. So it must be cool to see that. Oh, sure.

I'm also trying not to be a dad. Oh, you know, you know, try, don't do this, don't do that. You're going to get fucked. I remember I was talking to their manager. I was like, I found myself like my brain was like trying not to be a dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, you know, what are you doing with them? What are your plans?

What's the next move? Yeah, yeah. I'm watching you. Don't, don't fuck them over. Better take care of these dudes. Yeah, shout out to Cody. Cool guy. Hell yeah.

I'm trying to just separate myself. Let them do their own thing. Fine. That's what's different now. There's no one way anymore. There's multiple ways on top of a mountain now. It's crazy. There's no one.

There's something close. And the industry is trying to keep the one way, but there's so many. The industry is trying to keep it that way. For sure. As best as they can. It's kind of crazy. It's weird, dude. That's just, I mean, that's how it is.

And then, but, uh, there's going to be people like me and it's going to start talking. I mean, there's just not, there's not one way anymore. You can't fucking, you can't get a band and all you guys could do like one, one record. It's like, what do they want to do a single? Mm-hmm. Like, you can't do like the copy and paste does not work. And then what's, what's different now, it's, uh, each band is their own individual road. Yeah.

I noticed that one, a way will make a, this will make a, this will make this band rich. But you do the same thing for this band or fucking ruin their career. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've had a couple contracts like that were. Oh, I heard it work for them, but for us, it's fucking us. It's not working. It's no one's fault.

Yeah. It's just, I think a band should be really, every band should really kind of have someone use their brain. Yeah, yeah. Sounds silly, but. No, it's true. It's unique to every scenario. Everyone's got different, you know, yeah, yeah.

It's crazy. Different roads. Each crowd is different, too. Like, that's something that I've noticed. Like, bands are going to cultivate it. different kinds of audience. Also, something that works maybe for a specific band. It's completely wrong with a different audience as well.

Of course. You have these cult following. We keep, we kind of, you know, shut up about Psychofram. We really love PsychoFrain. Like, they really've got their, right, their solid cold following. So it's cool to see that. You need to be aware of like, because you're kind, it's gonna sound cheesy again,

but like you're building with them in a way, with your audience. So like, I think listening is something to, you know, just, viking and seeing what works. So it's kind of a business too, right? So it's, I don't like to say that, but having a ban, you're so many aspects, so it's important to. It is. It's a business.

I mean, you know it, for sure. Oh yeah, I lost a lot of money. I believe you. I mean, you're talking to tens and thousands of dollars. A single, like, decision that's wrong will cost you thousands. And in the industry where it's already, the money is scarce.

Yeah. It's cool, though, I think, to see, I think that's what I love about the revival scene specifically. There's all these really small bands that don't have labels that don't have anything. They're not like making it. And you see it in the numbers, right? Like, you see the streams. You see the amount of people they're selling out 500 tickets on a Tuesday night, you know, with no backing. And you're like, okay, there's something here, right?

It's not because it's backed by anyone or any specific thing. So that gives me hope for that sort of stuff. you know because I think metal is always super far behind in terms of industry stuff you know like like you said it's like the the cliche okay you got to do a record you got to do this you got to do that these types of tours or whatever it's been it's been dead for years yeah it's shocking that a metal bands just don't don't don't like move on from that I don't know the metal industry has always been kind of like late to moving slow yeah I mean you look at other industries and it's just not an album world anymore it's a singles world like like pop artists are just putting

out singles and you put out a record and none of the songs sound the same trying to hit different markets with different singles and stuff. I know it's like a different, there's like a different approach inherently for sure, but I just feel like a lot of these new kids, you know, they're using the TikTok. They're doing the different things and it's actually working. I was like, all right, cool, more power to you, right? Like, yeah. The old TikTok. Yeah, I mean, look, we don't, we don't enjoy that stuff, you know? But whatever, whatever works, right? I mean, besides it stealing everything off my phone probably, I mean, it's fucking sick, dude. And listening to you constantly.

But I mean, it's awesome. It must be a trip for you as well, you know, because you drive during the Myspace era. You know, it was the beginning of just being, I wouldn't call it like independent per se, but having a power maybe, quote unquote, being able to have your own. Leverage, social media. Leverage, exactly. And the labels didn't have the choice to just go. with it because like the numbers were there people were on the MySpace profiles and people were showing up at shows all these weird you know venues and location but it was working so

from you maybe to see all that era all the way from now TikTok it must be a trip as well because you live both yeah yeah it's just so many different eras so many different eras we we've got the MySpace tag for a long time it took it's a long time to break it like literally one one record It's all about MySpace. But when we blew up on it, it became like a, now everyone wants to go on it. And then literally, it took one record cycle. Yeah. MySpace is dead.

And then people were on Facebook. So I've learned back in a day, really, like, you can't be overly attached to one. Our biggest platform died within a year and a half. Yeah. So I've seen it like, boom. And then boom. And then I didn't really get it ever attached to Facebook. It's like, well, the same thing is going to happen to Facebook, too.

And then Instagram and TikTok and YouTube, it's all kind of the same thing. I kind of treated it like, well, it's cool, but I keep, you got to have some foresight. Yeah. Be prepared. Because when, you know, when you, and I think to be fair, it did happen to a lot of bands, right? That were, you know, super huge on MySpace and then kind of died. They didn't really pick up with Facebook and what was coming in. It just kind of faded.

It's quick. It's quick, man. For sure. It's fascinating how you guys really obsessed with this one, this one fucking era. Yeah. It's, it might, it might be an obsession. Yeah. It might be even a problem.

We really are. I'm sure we'd be diagnosed with some sort of something, you know. Oh, 100%. 100%. I'm not even, I wouldn't be surprised. Like, someone would tell me, yeah, you have a problem. I would be like, I do. I really have.

And again, for sure, the nostalgia plays a big role, you know. in it it's like it brings you back but that era is just again the production thing all the bands that were coming up something special was was happening special time man it's something like you can't even put like a word to it I don't know yeah I don't know it's just yeah when when there's no there's no like nothing there's no road no platform of nothing it's so it's always like a magical yeah never happened again So the way we often explain the difference specifically with even like the revival stuff that's happening right now versus back in the day, right? Like the main difference we feel is that back then there were, their death core bands weren't trying.

They weren't influenced by other death core bands. There was no other death core ban to be influenced by, right? So it was this special kind of era where every. everyone was doing their own thing. They had outside other influences, whether it be the hardcore or the death metal bands or more slam or whatever. So everyone kind of had their own brand of special thing based on whatever influences they particularly had.

And now we see a lot of deathcore bands that are just, they're influenced by other death core bands. And even in the revival, if they're, you know, influenced by Myspace Death Corps bands, then it's still not coming from the same place. Oh, yeah. So I think it's like once something happens, like, like you know what you know. Like you can't, you can't like take that away.

So you can't, so bands will forever be influenced by the death core bands that came before them. So we'll never have that again for Death Corps specifically. It'll happen with another new genre. Sure. But for Death Corps, I think it's just the, yeah. So I think that that's a lot of, that's a lot of what, you know, we can look back on and be like, oh, all these bands were so different. And we didn't, we didn't, there wasn't necessarily these five bands that ever. everyone we're trying to copy necessarily either.

So you have this wide variety of, if we compare it to now at least, really. A lot of bands are, you know, let's be real. A lot of bands are trying to sound like Lorna Shore, right? It's like that sort of thing, right? It's an issue. I think it's time to drop the big tamale. I got some hot, hot heat, dude.

Okay. And you guys, let's go. You guys are the perfect humans to ask. Okay. Let's do it. Who invented Death Corps? Oh, she. No, that's... Okay. It's... I told you it was a hot, hot heat. No, I'm loving it.

I'm loving it. So who in, it's a big question because every single time you see in the comments, there's always someone who's like, well, in 1977, I get it. There's probably some people. I get it. It came from, you know, blues from that. I'm talking like a very, like just, don't get too geeky, not to impress anybody. You have about they like impress me people.

like oh but what about shit the fuck up exactly where who invented deathcore okay zero zero bullshit do you want me to okay so playing time man so for me like real that core that to me sounds like this core it would be this price icon to that really sounded like the the the mashup of and they're still amazing at it today but like the the true hardcore that metal and the blend of it even down to having two you know two vocalists one doing the hardcore one's doing like the the good trolls and it was really early we're talking like what two thousand two yeah so so to me they started it but what happened is this this big question of who invented that core the thing is it became something else kind of quickly in 2000 when you guys dropped like the epi and like jump

four cowboy with doom it was kind of it was something else it was this sort of brutal you know that metal with breakdown so so this question is difficult to answer and because I would say the spice icon but it moved on to be something else and when when the cleansing and those album dropped that was the sound of like this is that core yeah yeah you know that's that's that's that's that's a big question so maybe it's not one band I don't know yeah because I obviously I can't see her and say suicide side I can't see we can't say it we can't say that we can say it so I always want to ask well other people and also you know prove you know I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't No, but so there's always, to me personally, I think there's kind of like, who cares about who invented it. Of course. No, no, but in the sense. Some people do. No, sure.

But I mean, we can argue about that all day and we can always go further back. Always. Always. Because whatever band invented it was influenced by something else and whatever, right? Like, nothing comes from, you know, everything comes from something. But to me, the more interesting conversations is always just who popularized it. Like, who actually made it be? be cool and made other people want to want to play that stuff.

Now suicide silence, like bar none for sure. Wow. Right? Like, I don't think, I don't think that can be argued. Back in a day was definitely argued. Oh, sure, sure. But you look at it now, right? Sure, sure.

Now we have hindsight of what actually happened. Like you said, like the cleansing, the second the cleansing came out, that, you ask me what death core was. The cleansing, like, for sure. Someone want to know what is that core show the cleansing that's the energy you capture to not to get too much because we're nerds we love talking about that but like the energy in that room the way you guys recording that like I don't you don't see that it's incredible no it won't it won't happen again like it was a what's the expression in my English is terrible like what's it like lightning in a bottle is that sure yeah that you got it so that's yes I said an English expression I managed to do that it's incredible. No, but really, it really was. So it became the sound of that core. And not to start, you've watched my stuff. You know, Chris, you're not much hype.

I still talk about mischief of this day. Of course. Okay. So to the point where people are like, we get it. But truly, those vocals, the aggression, like you cannot, the present, it was, to me, it wasn't just an album. It was what you captured back then, you know. It would, and I'm just going to say it, and I know he agrees, we wouldn't be where we are. without those moments and what you guys did you said like I cannot stand here and say like oh we but you

really did though like that's really what I truly appreciate that guys it's very rare that that that we get the stamp people always trying to take our stamp and you've talked about that over the years yeah people always try to take take our stamp and um I've always I've always uh I've always loved death core from my bones I mean it's it's it's I talked about it on your on your pod you know it's it's a sound in my body It's like that's it's it's who I am. It's me it's me and Mitch. I mean straight up and but for some reason like back in that day like people were trying to make it their stamp and I never got it and to this day. I mean there there's a couple I just accepted the number to talk about it and and also other people are my genuine friends. I like them. I like them as people. So it's like water under the bridge. I love them. I love their bands and I'll never talk shit on them. But at the same time, I'm also going to spend the rest of my. life taking that stamp yeah and when i die when they die that stamp is mine and that's it so that's why i let like that's why i'm taking time with our record and let the white chapel do do their thing and if ss does not break up that new white chapel's going to sound like a fucking demo straight up i'm

like i'm i never been so pissed off in a long long long time because uh as much as uh as much as uh you know i appreciate you know like the like the genre coming back it's like the like the like okay like what's the stamp? Yeah. I hear I always hear despise icon and I think they deserve the stamp as well.

It's like a half stamp. Mm-hmm. Sure. I'm down to share this stamp. You'll allow sharing it, yeah. Yeah. I'll down the shirt. It's official.

But man, I'll fucking be, I'll be, dude, we'll be out in the middle of nowhere, getting drunk and high as fuck. And then like, this guy will be like, you know, hey, dude, like our band is like super,

like, we came from you guys. And like, I'd be like, in my head up and it's like, fuck you. Say it. Yeah. Fuck you.

I've been hanging out with Alex from like Chelsea Grin and we're getting, I'm the highest fuck and it's drinking and like, dude like, we're jamming the cleanse. You know, we're jamming the EP. I'm like, that does nothing for me. Nothing. Yeah, but, but here's the thing. Like say it. Say it publicly. But here's the thing.

We all know. They all know. Yeah. But the problem is a lot of people don't know, which which is great for the, for the genre. which I mean it's just why honestly why I still have a job so I can't hate on it it's amazing that there's like there's revival and uh but the thing is like they're not looking at us because we're not the stamp because bands I try to take the stamp like a whitechap will try to take the stamp back in a day which again I love them so no one really knows what the stamp is so there's this whole new generation of humans coming in from high you know 17 I'm like yeah I'm like holy shit people are listening to that But they don't really know where it started. So I'm down to come into this conversation, like being ignorant. I'm not going to say it's me.

But, you know, what is the stamp? What is the, I'll be honest. Again, the stamp is different than who invented it, right? Those are, they're kind of, it kind of goes back to what I was saying, right? Like, who really took it and ran with it? Sure. Who really spearheaded a genre? Who really influenced everybody else to start trying to be a copycat of that specific band?

Yeah. Who's the Lorna Shole? of back then. Yeah. Oh, sure, yeah. But suicide silence bar none. And it's not even, and I'm really sorry, it's not even close. Like, if you argue with that, maybe you weren't there or you don't know what you're,

because anybody who was there know that it was you guys. And it, again, it wasn't even close. Like, it was really, you know. You see it in what you guys were able to achieve the fucking, the, the, the, the TV slots you guys were able to do. Right. Like, there's like these things that only suicide science did. You, bro.

You legit took. that core like i'm i fully remember looking at the views on youtube and being like that many views for like such a heavy what basically people are seeing now with lorna you guys did that how many years ago with that core right and i remember i think one of your big songs like you only live once just like kind of just broke the internet almost when it got out and um i know and i really mean that in a respectful way when i talk about mitch i really talk about all you guys i don't want to make it seem like I'm only you know what I mean like it's it's all in respect but if we talk about what you guys did just look just go online and write any there's no bad performances from you guys

like I'm just going to say that like I think if if you on YouTube thank God I mean okay yeah I mean yeah okay I'm not saying it's impossible I'm just saying from what I've seen and believe me I did a lot of research and I've watched tons of stuff and it's just oh oh yeah and I'm going to say that even if let's say it wouldn't be perfect the energy you had because that's the part that people don't understand i think which shows and stuff like that everybody talks about being perfect and it's not about that sure it's what you bring on stage it's what you make people feel like it's being connected with the crowd and you guys did that better to this day and i'm still going to say it and i'm constantly saying that no one has come close to this as well in terms of stage press i've never

seen someone top that. I know I'm talking specifically with shows, but it goes with a lot of other things, but I think a lot of people would even agree with me on that easily. Like, so, and there's a lot of respect for you guys also. We keep talking about the revival, but seriously, every conversation we have, like, there's, it's, there's a lot of respect there also. So we're talking about the stamp. I think you guys have it, but I think the thing is online, the loud people are. Oh, yeah. Rare. literally the good ones to listen. I always kind of wonder like why it's always been that way though.

Like since day one, no matter what we did, how big it got, they never wanted to, that's the fucking ban. It's since day one. And now it's even worse because then you have internet and just.

Yeah. There's something, I think there's something particular with the blowup of suicide silence and how quick it was and how people were also not really ready for death court at that time. right there is something to be being ahead of the curve like and I always bring this up in our

stuff but you look at reviews of the cleansing from back in the day and it's almost all like one out of 10 oh yeah two out of 10 this fucking bullshit what the hell is this thing right but but then but then in 2025 you're like that's the classic record right there that's the go-to record right so I just think there's like there's a there's a disconnect there especially initially when people are like Yeah, man. Makes me free. It made me free. But it's just different times, right?

Different times. Different times. No, but the... Different times. You know, there is a big stigma around just death core in general, right? So that also does, like, contribute to it. You guys were, let's be real, the big outlets that were reviewing albums, they weren't reviewing whatever underground deathcore band.

They were probably only reviewing. suicide science because it was one of the only bands to actually breach breach into the more mainstream if anything so yeah they fucking hated it but just being there just being reviewed is more than most bands in the genre were able to say so there's something to that yeah but don't you feel also like I know it must have been frustrating so many times to be in that position but at the other and the other side you know I was watching you guys interviews I was I was you know because again I'm obsessed I'm a nerd, but like, it was kind of you versus the world in a way because people were hating and stuff like that.

So I feel like it created and you proved everybody wrong though. Almost everybody. Yeah. You know, but some people just won't see it and it's okay. But you did though. You really did because people might not remember that. And especially with the revival, people are younger. So that core is quote unquote cool now.

It wasn't back then. When you said that court, the label. kind of were almost like running away from it like that core was this huge almost controversial all the all the big metal labels got one death core band each they like gave it a shot yeah right you guys included right you guys were part of that bunch it's like or it's funny no one wanted to miss the wave i think uh minochore taught labels like oh you can't miss the wave yeah if we we like like them or not you got you guys just fucking sign them yeah so so chris to me and i'm gonna speak well on the bf maybe a lot of a lot of people but you did prove that everybody right wrong. Like it's, you really did. So the stamp, whether you see it or not, is there. But, but the way you talk about it, though, it's, it's, it's more about your peers, right?

Oh. I feel, no, but I, I feel like that's, that's where I see it coming from. Yeah. Because you're giving examples of people that never gave you the stamp and it's, it's people in the scene, right? So that's like a different, that's also a different thing. It's still, good point. You're right. It was, it was coming from everywhere. Yeah. And the one support we should have got it from was probably our peers. Like it wasn't like a corn aspect where they're all torn together and they're blowing up.

It was like, they didn't want to twirth us. I don't have a shitty manager or something. It was like, no one wanted to like, like we're obviously trying to blow this shit up and they wouldn't toward us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They wanted the co-headline. They wanted a headline.

All this bullshit. I'm like, it's not even, it's not even close, dude. It's not even close. So there's like a, so we're getting a hate literally in every corner. It was like every corner. That's why I still kind of hold it close,

my heart it was like man it was uh it was us versus the world even us against uh our peers yeah it was like it truly like you you've spoken about being competitive also back in the day right and that's kind of shifted over the years but it was kind of there was that to aspect to it too it was like yeah back then i was they probably saw the same thing about you right oh sure yeah sure we deserve the stamp look this guy oh yeah of course and that's and that's the issue yeah no matter what and um i was competitive back then but in a negative way but I'm competitive now yeah and the abundance mindset I'll talk shit but in the end of the day like from the core of me talking shit it's always like I want the best for everybody I truly do yeah but that's not going to stop me from fucking you up but I think you need that

though that drive right of course yeah I'm so driven right now is crazy I think you need that and to be fair everybody's going to be excited to hear what you're going to drop next you know you you said like we're taking time and you're super mind about it and you don't want to because I think it's fair to say you guys could have rushed it maybe or just oh we're going to put some you sure would have been easy to do that you didn't right so it's important what I'm hearing and I'm sure he's hearing is it matters to you it's important it's very it's very important yeah so if we don't break up you know it's I'm really curious we're we're gonna be at in the scene in like five years from now I'm really curious and just a real opportunity oh yeah yeah okay here we're we're gonna pitch you something Chris okay oh Oh, because we've talked about this a bunch. Y'all got to do some stuff with the old logo. Oh, please. You guys have to do some throwback design, man.

I swear with the revival and everything, that shit would blow to fuck off, man. I know you guys just did the merch drop, but... I'm buying everything. Please. Come on, man. Please. For the fans. It might be in the works.

Okay, there we go. It might be in the works. If we don't break up, we're going to... Yeah, we're going to do some old shit. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah, the band's in the worst part right now. But if we don't break up, we'll, we'll bring back some EP designs and shit.

It'd be fucking cool. Yeah, because it's the 20 years, right? Yeah, it's been 20 years, 20 years of Death Corps. Congrats, by the way. Yeah, congrats. It's huge. Yeah, I mean, again, we wouldn't be here. You know, wasn't, I mean, this is a whole other wave.

You guys are a part of that wave. You know, seeing people talk about the genre, I was like, holy shit. What the hell is going on? Yeah, but it's a trip. And while we're in the congratulations, on record, I would like to say, congrats for this Chris like for you hit the the hundred thousand and everything like you've built something second not to switch topic too much but we're saying congratulations i need to say it congrats to you you know it's it's appreciate that man it's a big thing for for real you know and to have

i mean you it's one thing to start a podcast and stuff like that but specifically you going doing it and sure you went through everything we're talking about my space you you guys just went through I'm just going to say you pretty much went through hell and back. And you're here, you know, and you're still here stemming and you did that. I think, I don't think many people could pull that up. So sorry, I don't want to get to it. I just wanted to say that, man, on record. I don't think so either.

And now, I think, yeah, I think the podcast thing is definitely lost. It's, even before I started, I think it's already lost its purity. Yeah. I've heard of other podcasts. They're trying to start some names. I've heard her going to start some podcasts. and they're already hidden up sponsors. I was like, oh, this is, it's over.

It's over. It's gone. Like the pureness of it is now already, people are thinking, how am I going to get into this, get the sponsor ready? And like, yeah. I mean, look, we were talking about it the other day.

I won't blast anyone on, but, you know, no, but there's just, there's some people that there's, there's no reason why their podcast would not be sustainable, right? And somehow, you know, somehow that, I don't know. For us, we look at it.

We do it. Sure, we do it on. We don't pay rent and we don't pay employees and stuff, but there's like zero cost to what we do, right? And you look at some celebrities that, you know, from the get go are going for, they need all this money for this thing to work. And then, and then it fails. Yeah. And you're like, how? How does this happen?

My goodness, dude. I don't know, man. I heard someone, not to get into it. And we could also take this out if you guys, you guys don't like it. but I heard a podcast set was, took 100 grand to make. And I'm like, huh? What did you make?

I mean, 100 grand? What did you make? I wouldn't be able to find things to buy for 100 grand for a set, you know? Okay. I think there's something to be said. I know you're going to agree probably with me on that. But a lot of people, I think, spent, you see a lot in streaming and those aspects.

They spend so much in how. it's going to look and stuff like that that that what really matters the heart of it and what really is going to take off you don't need all that expensive stuff at first it's it's it's your conversation yeah it's your genuine interest the only person i think is killing it literally the only one this might make it sound i'm talking shit now but the only one that that's killing it right now is a billy gorgon in my personal opinion i see you you you can see the time you you can see the as far as music yeah yeah yeah you see the time i could see the research i see there's some love. I'm curious how long he's going to do it.

Sure. I don't know. I think he might be, because you have like your honeymoon phase. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is fun, dude. Every Monday, every Wednesday, but when you don't want to do it, that's when it's really going to show us. I'm curious where he's going to go, but yeah, you can just see like a love man. And he's the only one. Also, I'm sorry. Yep. Toby Morris. I don't know who that is. Yeah, I don't think I know.

A singer of H-2O. He's the only guy in a, in literally. Oh, I've seen that. Okay. Yeah. Where he's been consistent. He's episode 300, something already. And consistent every fucking week.

And he refuses to go on video. It's sick. I don't think he likes me very much. It's fine. But yeah, I saw a post email. I was like, it's only one. It's only one. It's me.

So why? So I felt pretty targeted. Yeah, I felt pretty targeted. But I mean, dude, but I got, I gotta give him credit. Every week, three, 300 in it's huge it's badass that's fucking bad so he's the only guy that's been like straight up like just consistent boom week we got their week after week after week so you got to i got to i got to respect that it's cool yeah that's that's you know that's all that matters right but it's

no but it's really oh yeah i said i didn't know but like i did uh listen to a lot of of his stuff because i think he's awesome he did some blink ready to stuff because like i keep saying blink is like my events as i'm young i love blink way too And he did, I think, with every member in Japan, he's really, really good. So I said I didn't know him. And funny enough, I actually. Your brain is chain linking currently. It's chain linking.

Yeah, it's like. Oh, yeah, yeah, I know him. It's like, what's your name? And then you see him and it starts like, you start to connect. Oh, shit. And then this boom, it hits you. It's my whole life. I'm like, I'm going to constantly be like, oh, no, I don't know.

Then I get home and I'm like, oh, come on. Like, like, really, like you know. It happens. all the time it's fine but but to your point I think that's um it whether musically artistically podcast whatever it's going to come down to the reason why you do it um because when it goes well it's going to be fine great but it's when it doesn't go well that the only thing that is going to make you you know I wouldn't say survive but just go through it is it is going to be the passion and the real love and you cannot fake that and the thing is

people are not stupid. You won't fool people. You could try to pretend for as long as you want. Might work for a bit. You're going to have a downfall. It needs to be real. It really needs to be real. People need to stop thinking that people

won't see it or won't see through it. Dude, especially in podcasts, because it's such a long-form thing. Like, keeping it up an act, you know, for whatever, two, three hours. It's kind of like unsustainable. Like, it's going to show through the cracks. Yeah, you gotta be you, man. Yeah.

Just let it fly. Yeah, we should have some, uh, some downfalls. And like, we kind of like maybe like have a podcast to talk about our downfall and then it'll get, it'll get traction. Yeah. There we go. Marketing. It would work. Hey, the classic the rise and fall of.

I do a lot of those. Yeah. The rise of fall of beyond. That could be something I'm not. I'll make it. I really just do it. Yeah. I would be glad if it was you.

Like, if that happens, please be the one to do my rise and fall. I will be honored. Thank you so much. And you guys have been really inspired also by Finn too, huh? I really, and I know now it's kind of controversial to say, I really don't, you know, I don't get. Like, I'm just going to talk to Finn too. Yeah, and I talk to, and I know some what happened and whatever, but to me he's only been kind. and cool you know and he helped me a lot people might not know that he did help me he knows like

i had questions and very early on my channel took me four videos i think started commenting didn't have to do that that's cool and he was sorry if i get too deep with that i don't know if you're you're on the platform you're sure that's true that's what you're doing okay perfect it's just talking like he's not a podcast i'm just gonna no but it's it's i'm just going to say it and he didn't have to do that And he was really cool the whole time, giving me tricks. For a while, I was wondering if I could start maybe another channel or to do some other stuff, other music that I like. And he's like, no, you should.

He helped me a lot. And also his format, like, if you look at my videos, it's, I would say it's kind of a similar, just like telling a story and stuff like. So he did. He was being in fact. I think specifically for me, though, in terms of inspiration. I'm not talking for the boat of us at the moment. It's like it's really, it wasn't inspiration to me.

There's two people. I don't know if you heard of the cozy representative. He's another person. No. A little more niche. She was doing more of the, I would say, like, the knee and pop, you know, attack attack, like more of, you know, Melkor stuff. So, do.

Yeah, but like the Fallout Boys and Panic at the disco. And he's still doing it. He switched direction a little bit, but he's awesome. He's doing like pop artists now and stuff and he's killing it. And these two, my channel is honestly kind of. a mix of those two so that's I love giving credits I love saying you know saying who inspired me I'm really hoping about that so I was Finn and it was him so it's a great guy it really is to me he's always been so when I saw the whatever I was just like you know what I'm I'm talking to guys

he's only make it sound like he did like a really bad thing he didn't did that it really bad let's be clear sorry he just like you know he stopped making videos and and you know what happened when you do something like that and did an interview and people kind of reacted but that's why i'm talking about right sorry just want to go on record didn't kill anyone didn't do anything too bad um it's someone a hard life man it really is and so people are quick to to just they can love you for 10 years and then you do something or you say something and then you're you know you're you're you're gone so um sorry if i made it seem like he did something really bad i didn't want to say that Did he didn't kill somebody?

No, you really didn't. He did nothing bad. It's just like, you know, the way expressed himself. Maybe there was a lot of confusion. Like he quit with a bang. He quit with a bang. Yeah, exactly. And there was confusion and stuff like that.

But I was just disappointed to see how quick people. It just went out, you know. So I'm still saying that he was a big, you know, inspiration. That's cool. So I'm going to go. And can I hate me if you want, you know, So I'm completely fine with that. If people hate me for that, I don't, I couldn't care of this.

Good. Yeah, the matter, uh, matter what you say, you say the perfect thing someone's going to hate, hate you for it. That's one thing I, I've learned like,

dude, I'll explain something and someone to say something else. Like, oh, you said this and I didn't say that. Mm-hmm. You got to just, so the only, your only option is to say what's on your mind.

That's your only option. Because at least if someone has something to say about it, at least you could be like, oh, well, that was what I felt. And that's what I thought. So I said it. Exactly.

And, of those things again like it's like it's like that in life it's like that with everything but with the online thing though it's like it's really a snowball effect right you say something and the third person is gonna like look at me right now i made it seem like it was horrible i didn't invent them to uh so it's it goes quick and um out of context exactly i think people are quick to do it because it works like i cannot really blame them it does work like if you do like he he quit and we had him on the on the podcast uh pretty early and all of a sudden started getting a bunch of comments on on some old reels in that episode you know it's just like brought them back to life on our channel all right to this day on my channel right like some people are going to write or ask me question or sometimes even saying that i rip off in or whatever and and i'm always all super open i'm like i've been open is an inspiration to me and stuff and then i see the comments and people are like that guy i'm like okay you know you don't have to agree with me i'm i'm learning i'm saying I'm good at it. I'm learning to let go

with these things, you know. It is what it is. If you want to hate me for it. Let go, man. Just to just really, you know. You're not going to change their minds. No. And that's okay. As long as what you believe in and you know, right, and you're hard that it's fine. Just

go with it. You know, these people would have found another way to hate you anyway. Of course. Who really cares? You know, that's how I see it. Yeah, people will find something. Yeah, I still talked to Finn. Great guy. You've been nothing supported to me and my band. I mean, so we'll talk every once in well.

So same thing. I mean, I think I told you, you know, a few weeks I had, I think a question or whatever. Always been nice to me, so I don't see why, you know, I'm just not like that. I won't look like at a headline and just be like, oh, I hate this person. That's just not what I always assume that I don't know that person. I don't know anything. So why would I hate is a strong thing, like not to get, I'm going to go spiritual. already.

You keep saying that. Just fucking go spiritual. Oh, I'm gonna go spiritual. No, but like, it's a strong thing to be, to like to hate someone you don't even know. And half of the people,

I'm just going to say it, half of them don't, you don't even know. You don't know anything. You know, you're talking about something you might have seen on Reddit, really,

and that's your whole idea of someone. So, you know what I mean? Like, so personally, I prefer just let, I'm going to judge by my own feeling of someone, is what I'm trying to judge.

trying to do always you know because it's it must be hard right you wake up the next day and all of a sudden people just hate you and you're like what you know you know what i mean like i'm i have a lot of empathy for that i'm like oh god like i mean and you were a fan for 10 years and then he said something you didn't like and he's a horrible person you know what i mean like it's it's crazy how people switch instantly in in situations so that's you know that's you know that that's that's how i see it at least i think their problem is uh people just aren't horned up you know you got you got get a horned up man you get horned up get happy yeah and again it's online it's dude and it's so easy right you create this fake profile with a picture of a cat and you know you left 50 comments just to

rage bait and be and be mean you know it's so easy now you know but how many of these people would actually say that to you in in real life right i'm still waiting I've been waiting, man. But I'm actually curious to ask you that, if I may, Chris, you know, we were talking about back then and the death court was, that was controversial and stuff like that, right? Did that happen in real life or never? Like someone just being like, oh, you're doing that core? You know what I mean? Like, or never?

No, just be, uh, the only, the only thing it was just bad shows. Like, uh, you played with like, you know, a black one old band or a thrash band. They will make it like obvious that they didn't like you. You get like the press mean bros. You guys suck, but that's probably the only... It wasn't really that bad. People were just look at you pissed from afar, and they had their hands crossed and sit.

I mean, there's a couple shows where they said that you suck and then throwing shit at you, but... Hey, look, you're the one on the stage, man. It's not bad. You know, they're watching you. I mean, you know, I just, you know, I don't know, I'm too idealist. and a dreamer, but I'm always like, okay, you know what I mean?

It's important for you to express that you hate something. I'd rather just be stoked about what I like personally. Like the image of someone standing in a crowd and like booing are really, like, I don't, I never understood that concept. Like you cannot, like, just wait for the set if you don't really like it. You know what I mean? Like, it's a weird, just like, I need, I need them to know. Oh, yeah.

That what they're doing, according to me, is pretty. I don't I just I don't know I never really got that but you know and there's a lot of that so I don't The world's a weird place it is I mean look at I mean look at what you guys do I mean you guys but isn't this your second time every meeting in person Yep oh yeah I'm when I said that people were weird I'm including us in the weirdness of it it makes no sense it's our second time and we're on a trip Like it's the second time we meet and we live an hour away like no excuses like at all And now we're like we met once to To do a hot wings challenge I hated it so much

That was the only time we had met and and no Flew to LA. It was just a podcast thing We're asking each other We're kind of doing a re you know hot ones but to each other Oh yeah yeah just to be that that was the only the only activity we'd done together in person And just to be clear I didn't hate meeting him I hated like the haircut should bring him back It would be probably better like I'm kind of in between right now i'm growing my hair it looks weird but like that that maybe it maybe i should it was

everybody keeps i don't know why i keep trying to grow my hair everybody's just like dude it suits you better short and i just somehow i changed my mind every five seconds but yeah it was it was clean like maybe i should do that second time you guys have i talked and like hey we should probably like you're only hour away we should go see a show or something like you know okay you want to the weirdest part too like when we do our episodes we talk all like we talk for so long and stuff like that right We've spent so much. Like, it would have been sometimes, I would have, I would have time to actually take my car, go to his place, do the podcasts, and come back home. And it would probably be the time of our conversation after the time.

So it makes, like, no sense. I'm realizing right now that we should, it makes no sense. We should see each other. Hour away? And hey, it's not that far. I've been going to show. I'll just say that. Oh, boy, that's called out.

No, he looks further than the night. do to go to go to Montreal for the show and stuff but no yeah no but I should go to more more I'm I'm you drive really I do I do I I do I I drive he drives he has a car the whole thing oh yeah you know I mean excuses I really don't I should have said right now I don't have a car what up what what a what town are you from to small city it's called Drummondville so it's like an hour 15 from Montreal or something it's really no traffic yeah yeah with no with no traffic But again, even go to a show, it's like an hour. I still have no.

Bound you. No, excuse. And when there's this house. Oh, it just docks me on. That would be. Oh, it's cool. It's a cool little town. It's a little town.

That's where I'm from, right? Nice. It looks cooler than everything is. Oh, that house? That house is dope. Have you seen that house before? It's my house. Not I'm kidding.

It's not. It's really not. But, yeah, no, I recognize all these, these places. It's very small. I was right there, like, really? A couple of days before. Like, the bridge you saw was crossing it. Oh, wow.

Yeah, so... That's sick. A couple of days ago. Yeah. So, it's... No, it's just a small, cool... You know, it kind of place that people are just nice. Everybody's saying hello to everybody.

It's kind of... Yeah. It's pretty cool. But I should definitely go to more shows. And you want to know, even worse, is most of the time, he's like, I have tickets for you. Oh, wow. I don't even, like, no excuses whatsoever. It's just like I should just drive.

And we're both homebodies. We both enjoy. We're both a little bit introverts. We're both, we work nonstop. So kind of gets the best of us. We got to, you know, take the time and force ourselves to do something. That's kind of been our thing we've been realizing. Is there, uh, is there a, like, social anxiety involved?

Is there something keeping you from leaving the house? What's the, I'm going to speak for my, for myself because he's not I think I'm the anxious person here um yeah I have a lot of social anxiety for weird things you know what I mean and it's the weirdest things like today I'm just super stoked I'm not nervous I'm just having a blast but I'm going to go to the grocery store and I'm kind of nervous it's this weird okay it makes absolutely no sense and it's not even because I went true it's just a thing except and the weird part except for shows shows are great No social anxiety whatsoever if I go to a show.

Is it laziness? I wouldn't even, I don't think it is because I don't mind doing stuff. I think when I was younger, I was just tired of, I didn't really like going out in clubs and whatnot and bars. So I got tired of it pretty quick, had bad experiences. And I don't know if there's kind of a link with that. I think there is. But I think it's just when I'm home, it's where I know. I'm just like I'm I'm good with my side I live alone I love it I'm doing my videos it's like I'm really

always there's always something more to work on and then time passes you by I think that's a lot of the thing too I think that's really yeah that's that's really what happened but but there's definitely you know so social anxiety and and you're in the worst part nobody could ever tell because I cannot shut up and I talk with everybody like I'm I'm telling you like oh the grocery the grocery stores like I know everybody was working there and I talk to them all the time like there's nobody could ever tell that I have social anxiety, but it's just, you know, I mean, I think that's what anxiety, you don't know what people are going to, but yeah, it's, I think there's a part of that. But again, I would love to say that that's my excuse, but again, shows are not, I really just don't have an excuse to, though. It sounds right. I'm trying to find, I'm trying to do so digging right now. I'm trying to throw myself under the bus willingly. And I wish I knew why I'm doing that at the moment. I just can help myself somehow. But, uh, but. Yeah, no, but I think it's really what he said.

Like to be, I'm making jokes, but for real what it really is is with, not to bring that about me, but with my channel, every, I have this obsession that every free, like every minute that I have, the free time that I have, I'm working on my script, my research, my stuff. So to be real, that's really what's happening. Every time. And he knows, you know, like I. Yeah, there's a pressure to post more. There's always something more. You kind of create fake deadlines for yourself and you think you can't go past it. In reality, you're making your own rules.

But, you know, like, ah, you're going to. That's completely. You got to go outside, though, man. I really do. Well, okay, so I'm going to sound like, like, I'm 75 years old, but I'm doing this thing. It's called, no, it's not that way. I don't think, I don't think maybe, but it's, I'm playing this golf, right? Do you know what it is?

Disgolving? It's like, you have a, how can I? Frisbee. Oh, sorry, Frisbee. This golf, okay. Like golf, but with a frisbee. There's like nets that are super far and you throw the frisbee, you have to get into it. Okay.

And the usual age to play that is 75. But I, like, me and our friends were playing. So it's been healing because, like, it's completely in nature. It's like in the woods. It's like so that last week I was in a freaking mountain. Like just, there was like a circuit. So I do go outside in that way. But your friends are forcing you outside.

That's what's happening. Okay. So you're trying me under the. bus now that's it needs to happen apparently I need to confront myself I'm okay with that it's okay it's my but no but I make it I make it a point though because last I'll be honest last summer I didn't even go outside just yeah just yeah yeah really bad you're in Canada it's part of beautiful out there yeah but I just was making videos and stuff like I couldn't stop I think I think he knows that too but

like I couldn't stop and I regretted it's not healthy really regret And I'm like the reason why in the first place I came back in my hometown was to be with my people and then I'm like you're here and you're not here So yeah I made it a point now to go if my friends are like we're going there I'm like not giving myself No matter how I feel whatever or content or press pause and I go so at least there's that To to my defense at least I'm trying to do that And it works same thing for family. I'm big on that like that's that's that's all that's kind of my rule now because i don't want to i don't want to have this specific regret you know that's a big regret to have to be like oh my god i miss out on all these things or i could have been

because that's what matters right like your people people i'm just not important enough oh another one okay so i'm i'm done i know no but for real it's it's no you're really important you're really important i gave you like 50 billion compliments here like and you're join me on a little bus like that no but it's what i do it's why i'm here it's it's really yeah it's just i think the show thing and everything is just like it's the content thing and it's the idea of driving and going there um because driving to my defense driving in montreal is not fun um so i think it's a it's kind of sure all of that um that's happening but to your point i need to go out more yes that's oh yeah still it's really important every time i don't go out i i i really

Last summer I missed every great show. And I was like, look back. I'm like, what the fuck's I are doing? Shit. This last, last week, the Ovan was here down the street. Didn't go. And I guess, there it is. Yeah.

Regret. I should have fucking went. Idiot. I mean, you can go too far down that road, too, though. FOMO, it can be like a real thing too. Yeah. Because sometimes it's live too, right? You know, like a good example of that, I think, wasn't it the appealing?

flesh show in Montreal that I mean I was just I was sick so it's like in those because I was going at this one for once I'm like I'm going and then I'm sick so I'm sick wow so I miss and it was a cool show right like it was a I mean it was bored aborted yeah it's a sick show I was a I was I was frustrated because honestly I was going to that but you were actually you were actually sick I was yeah it wasn't a I would say it because I keep touring myself under the bus so I would I would say it No, I was, I was really, it was. Dude, have you guys seen this video about the Ovan? I haven't seen this, dude.

This is crazy. It was funny. When was this? What is this? Is this recent? No, this was, now it's been like six months. Okay. But some guy approached him with the balloons and then he, obviously he's, he's had alcohol.

And the Yovine grabs him in the most gentle way, close to his throat and give him a good, solid push. but he's really kind of coming back at him so yeah to do the balloons a lot of alcohol and this is yeah because I think he was yeah because he came in his space though you know what I mean and he didn't he came in his space twice

I mean top someone on the shoulder when he turns around honestly dude Theo has way more patience than me I think they're already been like an altercation but he really did the right thing though because you cannot let someone you don't know in yours you never know when I get older man sometimes I really

realize sometimes you got to hit people you got to you got like physically do something I've noticed the older I get but if someone happens to have a camera you're like oh you shouldn't done that guy but this is a rare occasion where people I had feels back he was obviously this guy was drunk but sometimes you got like what the that's the only way some people learn man the more the older I get the more I believe in a good of punch in the face yeah that's the thing though like I feel like now people maybe are too about not having any consequences, right? You know, oh, it's going to be fine, but until it's not, right?

Until you find someone who's, oh yeah, won't be fine. So you never know. But in that specific scenario, though, like, did absolutely the right thing. First of all, it's weird. You don't know the person. I don't understand people being comfortable enough to touch someone they don't know. I fully don't understand that, you know. When there's no connection, no talk, nothing, and just, I never understand.

I never got it. I don't understand. Yeah, he got the three strike rule. I lived my lap, by the three strike rule, you know, and he got the three strikes. There we go. You see, like, he obviously does not want to talk to you. He came back drunk and your alcohol in your system.

Yes. So you're more extra. And you have balloons. That's weird. Yeah. The whole thing is just like what is happening. Yeah. And the thing else, the thing is also he's really popular, right?

Because I watch like a lot of his. Oh, of course. I mean, Dio has now become one of the biggest podcasters on the planet. Yeah. He's a tough biver. And he's good too. He has a lot earlier before the pod, right? We were talking about being real, real moments and so he has a lot of those on his podcast.

So it's, I think the counter side of that is just people don't, it's going to sound weird, it dehumanize you in a way because they see you as this, they feel like they know you because they watch your. So it can be dangerous real quick as in their mind they're just like they feel like they know you. So they feel comfortable enough to do something like that. So it must be weird for these people because he's really popular, right? Like he must be weird because you know. There's no way that guy doesn't go out without getting recognized for sure. So yeah, he's a fucking celebrity.

Totally. And you don't know. There's been stories of people just being violent or just that you don't, you cannot take that chance of having someone in your, in your space. you know you know you know he could have just turned and something happened right sure so that's it's kind of it's weird but it does happen so yeah turn around he sees him trunk eye balloons and his wife is i mean i mean you see these people being like well he was rude i'm like well not really he was like he just reacted because i'm talking about teo to just to be clear not the other guy was the bill that guy was rude but uh people are also quick to be like you don't like your fans no i'm just trying to

maybe be secure at the moment it's it's a it's a weird balance because people will like you to be relatable and you're like you're all like you look human but then you when you react in a relatable way and human way right no no no no you're you're you're not no i thought you liked what i do because i'm me i'm a human i'm relatable yeah uh so you that's that's this weird thing people want you to be relatable when they want you to, but also at their convenience. Want you to be not relatable at others. Because someone approached me like that, I would be a lot. That's gangster shit.

I mean, I would definitely probably would have choked them. Okay, so people, you've been warned. If you see Chris, don't do that. It might end up differently, you know. Hopefully, okay, but this is how I'm going to market the podcast. Let's go. Okay, so hopefully someone has a camera on and then they post it and then becomes like, it becomes viral.

There we go. And then I could drop an episode that same day. So that's... Capitalized on it. So that would be good. If you do that, go all in, though. Maybe I could go all in. Yeah, do something.

I got to go all in. Oh, Garza was a dick. And then it goes viral. Exactly. That's what I'm hoping for. Yeah. And we're laughing about it, but it would work. That's the funny part.

I mean, that's the Twitch streamer meta right now. Is it? I mean, just live streamers, like, just being assholes in public, IRL streaming. Oh. Yeah. They'll just go around. and they're pranking people or starting fights

and in different countries where they're not from. Oh, no. Get the shit rocked out of and get arrested, yeah. It's a big thing. And you saw it, right? A lot of them got arrested. Like, it's starting to be like, now people are aware and they get arrested.

And some of them even had, I could be wrong, but like even time in jail. You know what I mean? Like there's serious consequences because they're not pranks. It's really dangerous and it's really awkward. And it's just for views, right? So that's insane. The views at all at any cost.

It's insane. It's crazy. It's really insane. Because they do stuff that can seriously, right, like hurt you. And I was just like, what are you? And you can tell it's not, like, it's not set up. It's really people, because sometimes people are like, oh, it was a, no, it's not. Like, it's really a random person.

Yeah. And then they do these weird things. So. And again, it works. That's a problem. The internet rewards it. I know. I'm always like, man, like you, like some people want to hate someone, but man, you made them famous.

You made them, like, why are you going to follow this fucking person? Yeah, well, they genuinely have fans, too. That's the crazy part. Right? They do. People actually tuning. Oh, yeah. It's not even just the fact of viral.

People like that, yeah. Asking for more. You should do that instead. I'm like, what? Like you're, it's insane. The internet is just becoming an internet. Yeah. there's always there's always there's always gonna be other side being famous now like he

it's a different time there's no like like like i think there's more cons now there's no and even even like the frustrating thing even if we go to um you know Hollywood actors and stuff like that or or even like to a level of like you know justin biber these kind of people right like i cannot even imagine art's like because no one what they're gonna do and i saw it is they're going to spend so much time trying to trigger the person. They're trying to trigger the fucking human. They're trying to, they're fucking poking in bear.

Then when the bear reacts like a bear, they're like, oh, he, he's having a mental breakdown. And then that's their headline and they filled out and they fucking clipped that part. It's like, God, I couldn't. Yeah. I couldn't have fucking do that. And then you see the full video super. I saw one like that, like super polite, really kind.

He's just like, listen, I'm, I'm going to take pictures, but please I'm with my, my people after. can I super kind right and then after I mean he's human like after freaking like two hours of dealing with that of course he's like get you know get and then they clip this he's being rude with it sorry he's being rude with people and then everybody jumps in because that's that's all they see so it's it's special it's really it's really special weird times I wish you want to do that in me I want I need I need my own mental breakdown clip I think I think that's what I think that's the next Maybe you shave your head. Oh.

I have nightmares like that. I wake up, I'm like, oh, I wake up, I'm always, it's all my hair. And you want to someone like cut it off or something. Oh, yeah. Oh, you're going to manic panic and you just shave your head off a lot on camera. Maybe if I quit the ban. Oh, no, please. No, that, that wrote.

Boom, this fucking shave it. I'm dumb boys and to shave off the fucking. But honestly, how would you react? Like a prank. Can they cut a bit of your hair or something? I mean, that's, I mean, definitely a fight for sure. Definitely like a brutal fight. Like you're gonna, that's gonna be blood for sure.

Like someone touching your hair and it's trying to cut it all in the way. Because I saw those videos and they just, they take like a clip, like whatever, like a prank and. Oh, they have their hand. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it's just, you know, like you can you, that is too far. Right. Like cut.

I don't know. Like cuttings people. And some people do that for real. by the way like with a clipper i saw i saw some videos like with sure it could be set up but like i saw videos with like a clipper and they just go and one you know clipper at zero and just like oh yeah yeah so they have to shave basically and the guy had like clung hair those kinds of franks i'm like don't i mean you too it would be i would be i mean look i'm always tying it up anyway so okay at that point i mean still i think you would yeah so i won't do that i would never do that no but it's

Third time we meet. Third time we meet and then I caught your hair. It's so so bizarre you guys only met twice. That is pretty bizarre, man. It really is. It really is. I was even thinking about that on the plane, right? Like, I'm on the plate and I'm next to him and I'm like,

we've been working together for like years and it's our second time and we're going to on a trip. It's the weirdest. You don't have any people like that that, you know, maybe people. that have become online friends that you talk with all the time, but you only see them like once every other year. With like touring and stuff and bands, it must be, I have that sort of relationship with a lot of people, you know? Yeah, you only talk to them or you only see them when, when they roll up in town. Yeah, that's pretty much it. Yeah. It's like you kind of have your time to connect and then you don't talk until you see them again. Yeah. That's kind of how it is. But you kind of,

you know, you keep up and maybe talk. So you try to. Yeah. I'm trying to get better at that, like building on the relationships. It's just tough, dude. Well, you can't have a million people like that, right? I know. I'm trying to hang out with people at home. Yeah. You know, it's tough.

Sometimes I feel like, you know, it always feels like that. It's, you put time in something and then it takes a hit somewhere else. Like it, like, oh, now that aspect of my life. You know what I mean? When you focus on something, it works really well. And then you turn back and you're like, oh, but this. Yeah. You know what I mean?

And it does that, at least for me, with like friendships and people and stuff like that. Like after a while, you're like, oh, no, like I should have. It's been a while and you've been caught up. It's not intentional. But we live in a world where like if you put energy too, like too much energy maybe in something, then you look back and you're like, you know. But then you would have put energy somewhere else. And then that would be your regret. Like I should have.

It always feels like that, right? So with relationship it hurts in that way for me sometimes. It's like You know and I understand sometimes people take it personal to and it wasn't yeah It's just it happens you know and you're like you know and then I get it. I'm like yeah Send me so many messages and I just never got to it you know what I mean I feel bad about these things but it's never in classic Dom this read it and I go that's it exactly I'm still traumatized by that not me Have you guys ever been like a guest before is it's like your first time first time it really is how does it feel to be on

other side easier how do you feel oh yeah I didn't have to do any research for this thing I'm chilling man I can just kind of soak it in I don't got you know and you know I do Jay's job too you know at the same time while I'm interviewing people so it's a lot less stressful to not have to deal with any of that they just chill and just let me having a great great time Because to be fair, like he says, he's doing a lot of reasons. Like to me, I'm kind of doing what I do usually, which is showing up and hanging out. That's kind of what I'm right. That's kind of what I'm doing.

He's because that's our dynamic, really. That works for us. He's doing a lot of preparation. He has an idea of where he wants to go when we, you know, when we do this. But me, it's just like, cool. I just show up and I'm like, hey, and I talk with people. And I go with the conversation. So that mix of preparedness, because we need that, just want to make it really clear.

Like the only reason why I get to do that is because he does all of those things. Because it wouldn't be as structured. It would be, first of all, it would be a mess. It would last like 10 hours. Like, I wouldn't do it. It would be horrible. But what he does allows me to just enjoy and be there. Oh, wow.

Yeah, but then also to be fair, like I can't, I'm terrible at being off the cuff. you know and just really yeah yeah I'm not that great with that stuff so for me it's not even you know I'll have a like a big list of things of info that I dug up and research I've done and try to do all this stuff and a lot of the times I won't necessarily

it's not even about getting through the whole thing but just knowing it's there just knowing I have something to fall back on if I don't like in the moment don't have anything to to pull to or to say so you know I do that out of necessity more than to allow him to do his own thing but he's good off the cuff.

So there's the, you know. Oh, great. That's, it's really a, like, we completely. Two people, like me would suck. Two people like him would suck. Oh, but there's up. The difference here is two people like me. Bonus headache as you're watching is, would be the difference.

But the thing is also, first of all, you're getting better at, he's getting way better at just going with the flow also that I found. But as he said, it's really us together and it works like that. because we really, or minds, you know, sometimes it goes in the same direction, but most of the time he's going in places that I'm like, if you watch any of our podcasts, you're going to see me really often being like, yeah, good question or just I'm going to hit, because I'm like, I would have, I don't think about these things and he does.

So, and I think it does the same sometimes with my questions. So that's, it's working for us very well this way. We prepared. It's important for us to make sure. I think our biggest, not concerned, but what really matters to us is everybody's comfortable, making sure that they feel like it can really be themselves and stuff. And I know you do that very well. I can detest. I mean, I'm here.

And that's really what matters to us to have like a real conversation. So to have that mix of preparedness and then just going with the flowers, it works for us. very well. And we have a blast too. That's the funny thing. It's like we're working, but it's just, it's super cool, you know?

It's rad. And obviously we talk about MySpace a lot. Yeah. Is there anything about brutality podcasts or what you guys do that you want people to know? That's a good question.

Hmm. Or maybe we might have covered it. I don't know, man. I think, you know, for us, just trying to read the wave, trying to enjoy. This whole trip we're doing right now, you know, kind of stems from all of that. You know, we wouldn't be here right now if we weren't doing the podcast.

We wouldn't be in L.A. if it wasn't for the podcast. You know, people we met and just, you know, the support we've gotten, it was kind of like, hey, let's take a trip. We have this money in the bank and flights are kind of cheap and I was able to score the tickets to a cool-ass show. We're like, fuck it. Let's do it, right? Yeah. So that's kind of like, that kind of stuff kind of makes it super worth it for us. And like in the, you know, we just want to do more like that, you know, just do more stuff outside. You know, we were talking earlier, you started to have, you've had multiple switches of how the format works, different types of stuff you do. Like, okay, we'll have people playing instruments, you know, on the couch. That was like a new thing. Yeah.

So for us, it's always, you know, we're doing what we're doing now. We hit 100. A hundred was a lot of reflecting. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of, like, looking back and being like, okay, what's the, what can we do next? What can we do more? So just, yeah, I'm excited to just try and explore some new things. Right now it's cool.

We're in a groove. We got to a point where we're, you know, not like content. We're always looking for more, but feeling more comfortable, at least, than we did when we started. And then just trying to expand on it. Very well said. share everything you just like completely if I may have something like it's really important for us to give credit we have these people and like very often it's going to be always the same people getting in in interviews right the face of the band or whatever but but which which is just i get why

it's okay course but for us it's so cool to have sometimes people that maybe you don't know a lot about about them but they're they're super important they're part of the ban and they're working working hard as well and they have a whole life and other bands maybe before this band like a good example the one we just did right like we just had I'm gonna mispronance his name moke right mok from Fermanlunshore they're based on that cool such a cool guy and we he wasn't doing interviews and stuff like that so for us it was kind it was an honor to be like oh my god he's gonna do it you know he's gonna be on hard but we're gonna get to see how he he's like and he was funny he was funny he's gonna do it he's gonna be on hard but we're gonna get to see how he's like and he was funny he was funny It was crazy. Like so we laughed the entire time. It was so fun. But for us to give credit and to just show people, you know, it takes, it's a team. Yes, you see the face of a band and it's great.

But there's a lot of work behind the scenes and even producers, right? Like, you know, sometimes people don't know. And I talked about Psychoframe earlier. But someone like Hunter, like they're, I don't think they're, they wouldn't be where they're at without someone. when like Hunter. They're great. Don't get me wrong. But like these people for us really important to give credit and show people like who they are as a person and then to give that that space is is would you say it's yeah yeah for sure. So that that that in tandem with like the new bands and stuff. You know also like that's been the most gratifying thing for us

as of late you know being able to talk to people that it's like there's like a weird not a weird but there's like a dynamic thing like they're stoked to do the show oh yeah you know yeah yeah yeah because maybe they're starting out or they like what we do and stuff and and to be able to give people a platform and stuff it it's really cool to i don't know just kind of talk to anybody i'm i won't like because i'm constantly like emotional in those moments like i receive messages from like we're really close i would say with the revival is that a weird thing to okay so we're close with with these bands we talk with them like you mentioned revere and all those vans and to receive like a message just being like hey he or a story like you were my bench shirt in your

videos and stuff like it's it's just like they're so appreciative and we're building this this cool thing and believe me we're right behind them like anything we can you're asking us what we want people to know i think it's this we're right behind and and we're going to do everything we can to to support in the best way possible without any back like you know what i mean like just We're here. You know what I mean? Because sometimes it's like we help, but there's none of that. It's like we're here.

And I think that's, you know, it's really important for us. And, you know, so would you say, does that make sense? Yeah, I think. Yeah, yeah. The last thing, if I may, I mean, look, I always kind of say it like this. Like, we're just, we're just two dudes, you know, like hanging out. Just doing. Just doing, you know.

And we get to have all these conversations with these people that we kind of. I have no right having a conversation with. Like if it wasn't for the podcast, there would be no reason for us to be having a two-hour conversation with people like you. Yeah. With a lot of the guests that we do have on the show. So that's been the coolest thing. For me, and I'll make this short, but for me, I used to play music and I stopped playing

music. And then I was kind of out of the scene for a minute. And that was like a lot. It was like 10 years of feeling like you're a lot. part of something and to build something and to be a part of a scene and the podcast has been the first thing since stopping music that's made me feel like oh like i get to reconnect with with with with people from from within the scene and kind of get some sort of respect whatever that looks like you know from from peers from other people um and that's been really cool for me personally that's been like a

really a gratifying thing and satisfying thing for me to to kind of tap back into because you know you you said it you know like we're we're like obsessed with this shit right so not having not having like an outlet we are not having an outlet to kind of express that or to to interact with um i'm not going to say it was it was tough but it but it feels real good hell yeah to be back you know and to do this that's great man it's awesome also if i can add this too. We keep just piling on, but specifically when I was in the plane, I was thinking

about this, you know, it started not to make this about me, but it started with my channel, right? And then we met. And it was important for me because he came to help and sure he, you know, we became a team, but he also believed in what I do. And that's cool.

And it was important for me to give everything that I have to show like, you trust in me, you know? And And he gave, you know, everything he ever since the beginning, you know, so much time. People don't know that, but like, he does everything. Like, like, no, but literally on the podcast, everything. The thumbnails you see every, every single aspect.

He makes sure that my only thing I can do is focus on my channel, being myself, and he's taking care of every single thing. So for me, it was so freaking important to be like, you believed in me, watch me watch us maybe but like we're we're going to get there so being here right now going in LA and being just like we're going to

you know I mean I'm we're here we were you know 15 listening to society silence and then growing up with you and we're here so for me it was a beautiful moment of just like I don't mean like showing you that you trusted in me and I'm sure it's it's something we did together

but it was important for me to be like You're working hard. We're going somewhere. Yeah. Hell yeah. So that's, that's something I might, I had to have. It was really, really important to me. Hell yeah.

Yeah. What do you think, Jay, should I, uh, you got any hot boys? I have, I want a hot boy. You got one? Uh, I got a couple, I think. Okay. Uh, you want to go first or what? No, you go.

No, you go. I just go first. Uh, I guess, uh, for the people, if you guys have a lot of, you guys have a couple. like a top five maybe MySpace or Deathcore list. I felt like, oh. That's literally what I was thinking. Yeah, yeah. Perfect. Perfect. Top five and then maybe a little bit about, you know, about your choice. Oh my God, it's the most difficult thing I'm going to have to answer in my life. We're talking MySpace specific. No, I guess we could open it up to Death Corps. DeJonna. I think it's even more difficult. Please start.

Please start. Okay, okay, okay. Maybe, you know, in terms of, for whatever reasons, you know, your personal favorites or. Or maybe meaningful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This question makes you want to rub your knees for sure. I'm like, I'm getting, I'm like, oh my God. Yeah, this is a knee rubbing question. Because trust me, right after insuring, no matter what I say, trust me, with my channel and what I do, people are going to be like, you didn't even, like, a hundred percent.

That's the goal. Yeah. It's okay. It's okay. So good. Okay, so I'll say, I'll say despised icon for sure. Despise icon for sure. I mean, for us, like we're from Montreal. We, we're, people from where we're at are pretty proud of like the middle and death scene specifically from out of Montreal, right? And I think, you know, it's fair to say that despised icon's always been like at the forefront of that of that whole thing.

Fuck yeah. So despised icon for sure for me. And I'm into a lot of the kind of technical, kind of the stuff that came, it was within the MySpace era still, but not necessarily like the super early, early wave of Deathcore. I love Ben's like The Red Shore. He does.

Yeah, like a Ben like the Red Shore for me is like one of, I don't know, a perfect brand of my ADHD loves a good, A good Death Core riff, but with some technicality behind it, right? Burning the Masses, I think, is another one of those bands that are kind of similar for me in a similar vein. And I'm going to shout out, Shadow of the Colossus. They're like, they're a California band too. And it's kind of, yeah, if you add band, you'll find it because it's kind of a video game thing too. It was a good video of the game too

Yeah Yeah Goaded game But even more goaded band The second The second picture there The self-titled record For me is like a record

A record of all the time I took it out For sure Um One more man I gotta give it to Psycho Frame That's been my current obsession I would have been surprised

For a few years Yeah I mean recent But dude Everything they've been doing has been absolutely insane. New record just came out. It's absolutely phenomenal.

It's one of those things where... Did you hear it? It was great. Oh, my. 40 minutes of music with about 30 seconds of filler. You know? It's like balls of the wall

from start to finish. I don't understand why more bands like this don't exist. Fuck the intros. Fuck the interludes. The outroes. The soft song. You know, I don't know.

Just all that stuff for me is like, look, we, again, And to bring it back to like how it used to be like just in your face, balls to the wall, start to finish. Like, I don't know. That sort of stuff for me is, is fucking awesome. So I don't know. I could name off 20 more bands, but I'll stick it with that. You said five already?

No, it's five. Okay. All right. I swear it's not because we're here, but it would be weird if I didn't say suicide. No, but I have to say suicide silence because, again, Chris and like I think you know that. but like i don't think there's a single video i made that i don't mention Mitch or suicide silence or whatever so it's my biggest freaking i still listen to the suicide say oh and where we're here one of my favorite episode of yours is when you did the ogy thing with josh i still watch that

because first of all josh it josh his name right the jromer it's such a good like talker i was like please invite him again you know um i'm getting i'm getting lost track after 20 seconds of speaking. That's great. But while we're here, I had to tell you, it was so cool to, like, hear you talk about this whole, you know, back in the days of it was and playing, you know. When you said, like, people thought we were playing festivals, we were playing kitchen, I started, like, laughing. It was such, like, a good one. And the one you did solo, I have, like, solo about Mitch, the one you did one of the best things I've ever watched. So it's people are like, why is he talking about that?

Because suicide sounds to me, it's like it's more than it's like, you know, it's everything. Like I don't even think, you know, if you look at me one second, it's easy to, I'm really influenced by suicide and by Mitch. So I'm going to say that as the first one. The bend doesn't exist anymore. Can we mention Benz that doesn't exist? Of course. I don't think there's many rules here. Okay, perfect.

I keep thinking like, no, you can't. So I love Suffolkate. Do you remember? Of course. You know, with Ricky? Okay, so Suffocate, I still listen to that. I'm big on... Yeah, I mean...

Shout out Jared, man. Yeah, I'm... Yeah, yeah, and even... And both era, by the way, I love Oakland, their first, like the first album. And I love everything they did with Ricky. I'm big on, like, hardcore in... I see. In that core, I love, like, that thing.

um so so yes i'm going to mention um suffocate for that that they're still on my in my playlist um again i'm wearing the shirt right now but it would be weird if i don't talk about without a face um i don't know i know if you heard okay so they're not i wouldn't say like a revival ben per se it's a big different they're more in the orphan more of the i don't know what you would call it like just it's dead core so it's it's it's it's really good and i keep listening to that it's really heavy it's crazy um what we like in cycle frame like the hype is just like psycho it's it's there's a lot of that in it they're doing it really well and and you know i'm as for like new that core i'm gonna i'm gonna put it there so yeah so now i name it three there yeah okay still two oh my god i don't

It's really... Oh, come on. You cannot not say Chelsea Grin. No, no, I'm going to have... There was in my... I need to say Chelsea again. Okay, so I have this obsession. Do you remember their EP?

First EP of Chelsea Gunt, the self-title. To this day, like, I have two posters of that in the same room. I'm, you know, I'm obsessed with that thing. Even my friends are just like, dude, like, that's, you know, there's a lot of good I'm like, sure, but it's, you know, it's, I'm still listening to it. I think there's also a part of that that is because it's one of the first things that made me fall in love with that core. It's kind of in that it was, it was a bit later because sure, it was 2008, but it really reinforced my, you know, the love I had for that core. Okay, last one. I mean, you said Psychofframe and everybody knows, so I'm going to go with some, I think it'll be more.

boring to say like the the same things less oh my god no you say psychoframe who cares yeah it would be weird if i don't say it's fun all right two points okay yeah two points to psycho frame would be weird if if i don't they're just you know um we did a watch party with them uh and i i told them but it's just like they're doing their own thing i know everybody says that oh they're doing their but truly it's like they have a weird formula that works for them and it's hard to compare even right how can you even they're they're one of those deathcore bands that aren't influenced by other death core bands but you know they're influenced by by other genres and making deathcore out of it and and it shows in the music okay so special mention

though um the the last dpea of reverent like i'll be i'll be really honest i know it's just five i'm not just especially we went all out on the modern stuff we didn't even i mean like We named one MySpace Death Corps band. Oh, that's true. I'm not putting this on you. I'm saying, generally speaking. That's really true. But I'm just going to say the bonus ban.

Bonus ban. Okay, yeah, because thank you so much for doing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay. Bonus. It's because their revival is really important for, and there's so many amazing bands.

So like, Reverend Art Great, in which divides us. We're like all about it. They're really cool. Um, would you, like, I'm gonna let you also answer, but like, no, you're, you're all good, man. You got this. I mean, all. Yeah. And, and, I mean, in which, and they're, I mean, they're young, too. Like, they're, they're, they're killing it. It's, it's, it's freaking insane. Um, I'm blinking because just I'm, I'm, I'm in the moment right now, but they're so. So it's just a reverent EP? People should try to try to try to try to get out or what? The last one they put, I think it's called this to me. Um, the last EP is absolutely insane. Yeah. it's like it's it's really good on on the slam side i mean like

there's like you know um slam which is really cool i'm just gonna i'm just gonna say it slam wish lids the mice are super cool they're not fully oh nine nine dead is awesome you know there's all those bands i mean the entire revival tracheotomy trickietami i cannot pronounce it though there's there's a million a million dope bands there's so many amazing bands you know So destroy all humans. All those bands from the revival are just insane. And I know it's just because I'm here and I'm blinking, but there's a million I could.

I did an entire video about the revival, but it's just now I'm a bit. We got a good top five, top 10. Got a top 20. A bonus. I had one more. Okay. One more, a little hot boy.

A little hot boy. Let's go. What was the worst? MySpace Death Corps era trend, kind of. Maybe fashion. I want to say, windbreakers. The windbreakers? Windbreakers, oh yeah.

Windbreakers and the keys. I mean, it's funny to look back on now, but dude, moshing back then with the windbreakers and the keys. I'm praying to God that shit doesn't come back, but. Yeah, a lot of people wore their keys in like the little side. Yeah. That is true, huh?

Slow-ass breakdowns. All you hear is. And the keys dangling. Oh, what's the, what's the fucking clip called? The clip, Jay. Yeah, yeah, a carbineer. I mean, I did it before. I had a little carbineer.

I put it right there. It's true. Yeah, the carabiner with the keys. Backpacks in the pit. Oh, that's just dorky. That was a thing. Yeah. Dude, you did that.

You're a loser for sure. I didn't even know. We always knew they were losers. I swear to God, and I didn't know what something. backpack and a mushroom really okay the key the keys i'm win breaker and the carabiner for sure had had they go yeah had to go dude me what about the uh the hair i mean look we both we both went through it so we can't hate too much that i can't the hair i cannot even i went through all the but

all the most cheesy stuff you could ever picture i went through it like just like everything like there's not you can name all the worst things i did it probably it's like let's It's like, let me just try it all out and see what sticks. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I didn't go that far. Like, maybe. With the Mayam patch is absolutely diabolical. Yeah. There's no way this kid wasn't getting massive hate.

Yeah, but best believe, like, I'm sure he still had like a fall of people. A lot of people still thought he was. This person listens to your podcast. You're sick. Well, probably, yeah. All the belt buckles, is that something? By the way, I'm just realizing right now that I think this is the dude who is, inspired like your scene sucks for the um yeah sure it's like look at the buckle it's kind of

bull corpse look at the the hoodie and the hair and could also be a costume i'm just saying oh yeah okay a holman costume let me have this let me have this i found the influence um what about i'm curious you chris what's the worst thing worse thing come out of deathcore back then the worst thing that come out of death core like a trend like a trend what was the worst death what was the worst core trend. Like, maybe it's like a, I was trying to think about like the, the different sounds, you know,

the different, but I loved all of it. Yeah, I don't, yeah, I mean, like, the worst thing to come out of the death core scene was death core.

Duke at all, man. Yeah, no one got it. We did it and literally to this day, no one got it. Mm-hmm. Why death core sucks.

We're the only band that went fucking crazy, that record a live record, and everyone else did their own thing with it. But not the wrong thing. There's no one got it. Yeah. I think the worst part about the death core scene was Death Corps.

It's a good answer. Also, it's also like the, I'm not bagging on it, but it was also I didn't understand like the, like the, like we're looking at the haircuts and the style. I understand, I understand like the style. Yeah. I mean, Mitch had a style, but we're all this long-haired fucking dudes. We're in baggy clothes and new metal shirts. No one, no one copied that. Everyone copied Mitch.

So when the whole kind of style happened, it was like, what the fuck is going on? But I keep saying that. Yeah, Mitch really became and still is like, I'm speaking for myself, but like the face of that core truly, you know what I mean? Like when people thought about that core,

it was, oh, sure. You know, it was him. To me, it still is. Yeah, he played the good in between of the scene hair and kind of without fully going. Yeah, he never really went full on scene hair. Yeah.

You kind of had the swoopy hair, but not really. I wouldn't let it. I was like, do you get a fucking haircut, bro? It worked really well because it, you know, it was still metal. You know what I mean? Like it wasn't fully, you're sure people were, you know, but it worked really well. And I think it was cool also to have Mitch and all of you like super death metal badass. It worked really, really well.

But you're right, Chris. No one did it. No one else did it. It was weird. Like no one got it. No. Because don't grow up their hair, they'll throw a bunch of pussies. It's like, what the hell are you guys doing?

The short hair trying to headbang, dude. And earlier, you know, I was talking about life performance. Same thing. No one was doing exactly what you did back then. Going as crazy. When did you see, like the whole band? You guys were drawing yourself. Oh, no.

And no one, I kind of guess looking back in hindsight, expecting more bands to kind of pick up on the essence of it. Yeah. But would it be fair to say that kind of came from just other other styles of music? Oh, it was corn. Right? It was a corn slip knot? It's how bands going crazy. Because you've had that in other genres.

Everyone mentions Dillinger and Converge and these bands that were notoriously going crazy on stage. Oh, yeah. But it's like in a different way, right? Yeah, I've always drawn to people that just rock the fuck out, dude. Yeah. They rock out. I can at least understand the music. but isn't it to me it's it's always been a weird concept to play crazy music without going crazy

yeah it's kind of a trend right now man yeah that's kind of like the thing like how can you do the least but you still play crazy music i've just i've just like accepted it this is what's going on you know fuck it but it's i can't i can't hang on it because it's to me it's kind of this you know if you feel it's at odds yeah it's kind of yeah yeah because like you're playing it's insane the music music you're playing. So if you don't go crazy and then you expect people to go crazy at your shows, it's a bit special. I don't, yeah, I don't understand it. Even like, it's been going on since back in the day, I'll watch some bands I always loved, like, you know, like, uh, Godsmack or something. I'll watch Godsmack. Like, I'm like, if I was in Godsmack, dude, I'll be going insane with

those, those songs. I'd be like, I've never got it. Like, you just get in a, let the guitar player to seem like, no hate on him. Yeah. He was like, like, what can I do to not do anything? I was like, dude, fuck, balls and got smacked, dude. They'll be way sicker. No, but I get it. Especially the simply the music for me, too. I'm like, come on, man. At least, at least give me something.

Something. A little something. Something. At least Daniel fucking rocks out, dude, at least. Because, you know, that's always kind of the, you know, bands that are super fucking, you know, it's crazy technical and it's, like, impressive and stuff. and then you watch them live.

It's like, it's impressive, but it's not like a good show. Yeah. Right? There's like a line there. I mean, some bands pull it off,

but it's a rare, it's a rare thing. Yeah. For me, keep it simple, stupid often, just kind of does it, you know.

Yeah. Because like, for a live show. Because let's, let's say that also. Like, for a vocalist, you're literally screaming.

You have to make, you're screaming and you have to move a little bit. Like, like, you're screaming. Like, like, it doesn't, to me, it doesn't work.

Like, extending and just like not I know sometimes some people make it work it's fine but personal preference I just want you to do it even if it's not perfect it won't be perfect no problem I don't think I think it's I would like to talk about that actually like it's not important to be perfect life every single no like at least to me it's really not like as long as it's the energy is there I'm not saying like at least maybe be in tune that would that would maybe be great but I'm going to tune either bug it. Even, yeah, even, even this.

But I think it's an energy thing and it's a connection thing more than, you know, it's going to be not even one person of people paying attention, like, he missed that little note. Who cares? Like, it's a show, man. We're here. If I want something, I'm going to listen to the record. If I want it to be perfectly, I'm going to listen to the record.

If I'm here, I want something real. I want you guys to give everything, you know, you know, yeah, I'm on stage. Yeah, it's a different time. it is we'll see oh yeah it will see we'll see where 100% is where it's gonna go it's this one band I was watching I talk about it here pretty often I was like man they're just standing there and I was crowds sold out and no one gets a fuck yeah so what so what what the fuck am I doing no one cares they're like they they love these songs and it's like interesting okay it's just yeah it's just interesting it's different

I don't know if it's a perspective thing maybe to them like standing like it's kind of imposing I don't know if it's kind of a just a I don't know I'm like no one goes a fuck yeah well it speaks to what you're you're saying though it's there's like um because people will maybe think uh hate on bands that that don't move and it's not even a hate thing for me it's just I'm just less entertained like that's just not that's just not what gets me going seeing a band not go crazy on stage right so it's not not saying a band is bad or whatever everyone can do their own thing but for me if you're asking me like What do you prefer?

Like, what's going to make me really enjoy a show? Someone going crazy on stage as simple as that. I know. That's so weird. It was the, uh, the plot in you. I was watching them. Oh, yeah. Okay. Showing the name.

It's just, let's just throw the name out there. Yeah, I was just watching him like, no one goes a fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then maybe, you know what? I'm wondering now, maybe if I don't rock out, would people even care? They're there to watch the songs, to watch the show. Will people even care? Well, you were talking earlier about the stamp.

I feel like that's a stamp that you guys definitely have. The one thing can take away from you ever the stage presence and anything. No, I think that's what people, you know, I get, I think, I think, I think to your point, like, I don't think that's what everyone, but I don't think everyone is looking for that in music in general. But some people might gravitate towards suicide science specifically for that. Yeah. For that reason. Because that's like the place they can. get that fix right so like stopping to do that like yeah yeah maybe some other people wouldn't give a

shit but like there's there's people out there that just that's what they want right that's why we listen to this shit yeah yeah yeah so maybe i shot myself in the foot it's kind of like a lifetime yeah lifetime commitment yeah fuck dude you're gonna be like 75 and you're gonna still have to do this i look at technology is advancing maybe you can get like some you know robotic thing that makes that head bangs for you robot Chris yeah maybe i'm just jealous i should just join the plot and you They only have one guitar player I mean, and you can chill You can just

Everything on tracks You don't even got to play man Dude It made me to kind of I mean yeah I was like I was kind of open to my eyes Oh shit I mean No one goes to fuck

Don't fucking care Maybe I should just yeah put up People dude Maybe I should just put up some People not moving on stage And the entire show Is on tracks You're like where where are we headed

Sold out Sold out as fuck, dude People are having a great time People are singing the words Me, you know what? Next show, I'm just gonna stand there Try it

And see what happens, you know It's funny, like, I tried that No way, I should take it back I tried that and like It did? That a few times Like,

Eddie would like look at me And like, What are you doing? For sure. I was like, people like look at me So people won't look at me I'm rocking out,

people won't look at me I stop rocking out People are looking at me Like something's wrong They're just like Are you okay? Like his E? I'm just doing what 99% of the bands do out there.

Which is true. But you can't. But I can't. You put that on yourself. Set yourself up. Life is not fair. Life isn't fair. I'm fucking pissed, dude.

That's, you know. That's what, that's what is. I'm jealous and pissed. That's just, I think we found the core. You should start something else. And then you just stand there. You chill. Can't drink a little bit.

You know what I mean? Like, you just, you stand there. You chill. That's your new. That's your new thing. Yeah. You know. Just fucking mashugate it, you know.

Yeah, exactly, yeah. But isn't it... All in the lights, man. Yeah, isn't it one of the reasons? Because I fully remember, like, one of the first times you blew up was with the destruction of a statue, right? Still one of my favorite songs, by the way, while we're here. The video, you went crazy in that one, right? Like, and isn't it, would it be fair?

Do you think it's also, like, I think it's a stage presence and how you went crazy, right? Yeah, I guess, uh, shot, yeah, you shot yourself in the foot. Yeah. And now ever since that, people are expecting you to go crazy. Stupid idea. Yeah, if you don't move anymore, you've fallen off, man. Yeah. Fuck.

This guy's getting old. He can't do that shit anymore. Yeah. Washed. So. Well, that's, yeah, this is a good way to close it out, man. Hell yeah. I mean.

Appreciate you, man. Thank you so much for having us on you. Oh, really, really means the world. Yeah. Seriously. And can I just, like, he's doing an amazing job with all the behind this. I don't know if I can do a shout out. Yeah.

Like, dude, seriously. Like the whole time the image. I was just like, I don't know. It's amazing. Thank you, man. While we're here. Big fan of you guys too. And you guys putting in the work, you know.

Thank you. That man. Thank you so much. Amazing conversa. It was super fun, dude, honestly. Yeah, yeah. Me and Jay get the work in the time. So you guys, you guys put in your time.

You know, thank you for what you guys have been doing for the death core genre. Thank you for your obsession and your time and obvious. obvious love for what for what you guys do you guys put yourselves there it's awesome thank you so much honest means the world man thank you you guys are a part of this wave of love dude that's that's we need more people like that man we do that's that's what i always say we can't we can't be the only ones man no where so we're we're we're going people find you guys brutality podcast kind of everywhere just uh look at brutality podcast you'll find it first it was harder to find now uh now Instagram, YouTube.

Instagram, YouTube. Yeah, our episodes are all on YouTube and Spotify and Apple Podcasts. You know, we have a cool community on Discord, too. I'm just going to say that. I cannot believe I didn't shut up or awesome community as we're here. But, yeah, we have quite like over 1,500 people. It's really cool. Oh, wow.

So, yeah, we have a lot of channels, you know, servers, talk about that core. And it's really random, too. I mean, some people are sharing, like, their cats or whatever. It's just like a cool community. Gotta. Gotta share the cats and dogs, man. I mean, we're here for it, for what it's worth. So, yeah, that would be pretty much, oh, yeah, maybe, you know.

Shout out the merch, man. Shout out, you know. In the merch store, they've been awesome to us. Just, you know, just if we can. I don't know if I can. Shout out the goats. If I can do a shout out, but, okay, perfect. I never know.

This is my fucking fifth time. What do you think you are? This is the time to talk about and say it. I got to get the bag. I never know. I'm like, is this allowed? You're literally here. Perfect.

No, big shout out because, like, they're awesome and nothing but great to us. Like, just super positive. And then they helped up with, like, all the merch being set up, everything. They just supported the podcast. And you guys came here with no merch, huh? Did come here with no merch. Wow. We don't, we don't have the merch, man.

Send me an address and I got you, man. Okay. Yeah, okay. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I was about to say we fell off. But, yeah, we're going to. Cool. We got you.

We will. Thank you. so much, man. Honor guys. Appreciate it. Honors. It means the world. All right, everyone, that's it.

Later. Later, later.