Garza Podcast - 197 - NEKROGOBLIKON | John Goblikon: Self-Doubt, Ninja Turtles & Dealing with Trolls

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

Garza sits down in-person with John Goblikon. Vocalist for melodic death metal band NEKROGOBLIKON & host of the RIGHT NOW podcast. Check out his comedy & tour dates! https://linktr.ee/johngoblikonSPONSORS:Sweetwater - https://imp.i114863.net/rnrmVBDistroKid - https://distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF!00:00 - John’s Diet01:37 - Becoming a Singer03:12 - Joining Nekrogoblikon in 201206:57 - Selling Life Insurance09:58 - Needing Korn’s Chiropractor11:26 - Skin Care Routine13:18 - Beef with Chili’s15:38 - Dating Life19:30 - Blast Beats21:42 - Suicide Silence vs Nekrogoblikon22:50 - Meeting Nekrogoblikon23:38 - Post Malone // Joe Rogan26:32 - Being Adopted30:10 - Ego and Praise32:48 - Goblins vs Trolls36:11 - Metalocalypse37:37 - Right Now Podcast39:30 - Goblin Lifespan44:20 - Music Writing Process 46:01 - Pre-Show Drinking Ritual52:18 - Comedy Writing Process55:30 - “Gary,” Fred Durst & Wes Borland59:58 - Drinking vs Not Drinking On Dates1:05:58 - Manifesting Success1:07:06 - The Sphere & Metal Going Mainstream1:11:26 - Favorite Musicians & Bands1:13:51 - Being Homies with the Ninja Turtles1:19:51 - Garza’s 23 Year Career & Self-Doubt1:21:55 - Giving Credit1:23:13 - Challenges of Being a Goblin1:25:16 - Seeing Trolls in Public1:28:23 - Willem Dafoe

John Gobicon, does a Goblin know how to cook? I only eat skin, so. Okay. Yeah. Very fine diet right now. Okay. Yeah. Are you on like a really strict diet currently?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My body is a temple. So, you know, I usually just put. I could tell. Yeah, chilies, beer. Yeah. More chilies. Yeah.

Some skin and a little hair. Mm. I like it as a job. dessert. Okay. You know, ever gonna treat myself? You have to. Yeah, of course, man. So, okay, so do do you need, like, like, like a six pack? Are you trying to get like like a six pack or like a eight pack, like a 20 pack? Like, what are you trying to do? Uh, I mean, right now it's kind of like one or two kegs. Okay. And then I got one on my hump as well. Yeah. It's kind of like a camel, but it's filled with like, you know, course light. Do you, dude, you should get a six pack on your

hump. That'd be sick. You know, I never really thought about that. Yeah. I, I, I never really thought about that. I bet I could do it. What's that? Can you work out your hump? Is that possible? I don't know because I've never worked out, you know, so I think that might be a start. But I will, you know, this year's my year. It is.

You know, 2026. Is that where we're in? We're pretty close to it, about four months away. Okay. It's weird. It's weird. Yeah. Well, happy new year.

Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. John Cobbakan. Thank you for being here, man. I'm so excited. We got John Goblican. We got Garzlakan.

I'm excited. I love the podcast, by the way. I appreciate that, man. Yeah. I'm a fan. I like when you got your metal guys on here and you're like, hey, how's you write? Diddley, diddley. And then they're like, oh, you mean this riff?

Doodily diddy. I love didily deets. Yeah. And so I'm trying to learn more about the music because right now I'm just a singer. Yeah. And you just became a singer like, what, like two years ago? Two, three years ago. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. Yeah, I just, you know, I, I knew I always had it in me. But it was like I was kind of just like scared to like really, you know, step into my own. And then the band was like, hey, how about you audition? And she had, but didn't you have 27 auditions? Yeah, it was a, it was a crazy process. You must have been terrible. Yeah, it was, it was years long.

they made me do the tough mutter event you know make sure I could really handle it and then for a while I was just like doing the band's laundry which I was like how does this have to do with me being a singer they're like trust me this is all part of it you know and then I was doing that and then they just dropped me blindfolded

and naked in the desert they were like find your way back you know I'm sorry man yeah it was it was rough but I did it and now look at me I'm on the Garsa podcast. So you join the band 2012, correct? Yeah, they approach me. They're like, we want to make a documentary about your life and put it to music.

Yeah. So they came to my job. They filled me at my job. They kind of saw me, you know, have a couple drinks at a bar. A couple. I had 12, 16 or 18 shots or something like that. That's like a warm-up. As you do.

It's a warm-up. Pre-game. Yeah, pre-game. Yeah. And then, you know, music was hitting. And speaking of hitting. Yeah. My boss got a little handsy with love of my life, Caden.

And so I just kind of had to, you know, protect her. Brad? Brad, right? Yeah, but Brad. Oh, wow. Yeah. I don't like saying his name, you know. Can you curse on here?

Of course. Okay, fuck Brad. And so he was putting his hands on her, so I kind of like jumped in. I might have like, you know, started to rip his face off or whatever. Allegedly. Allegedly. You know what I mean? It's not settled yet.

So I allegedly did that. And then it just was kind of like it took off. And they were like, hey, everyone likes this documentary. No one survives. What do you think about joining the band? And by the way, I was such a fan of the band already. Because the amount of people that would come around and be like, you know, there's a band that writes a lot of songs about Goblins.

And I was like, oh my God, you know what I mean? I mean, like, you know, just you being like, hey, hey, Garcy, you know, there's a lot of people, you know, writing songs about dudes with long hair and beards. You'd be like, wait a minute. Really? I got to see this band. Got to see him. Yeah. And so I saw him and I was in Navord and I was like, just kind of like a fan gob for a while.

You know, just fan it out. And then they asked me to join. And so it started where I just kind of like be on stage and I would just kind of like, you know, get to dance. and show my moves and stuff like that. And then slowly over time, I mean, granted, at this time, I was still sleeping on top of the van. And then at some point, I was in like a guitar case.

But now, look, I'm still, you know, in a compartment underneath the bus, but I'm like a part of it. You know what I mean? Well, at least you're inside of it now. That's right. I'm in. Yeah.

I'm in. Yeah. And I get to sing. And now there's Dickie, my best friend. Shout out Dickie Allen. Where is he? Shout out Dickie Allen. All of them.

He's in all of us. That's right. These cameras are going out into the world. Oh, I love that. I love that. Hi, Dickie. I did it. So Necro-Gobligon has been called

the greatest goblin metal band of all time. Are you proud of that? Yeah, I mean, we're kind of like the premier goblin metal band. I feel like in the genre, we've got to be at least in the same. the top three. You know? Top three?

Yeah. Out of, out of one? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think so. Okay.

And I think we've really like to find a new genre, you know? And I think, I think people are like responding to that. What do it be called like Goblin Death Medal? I think it's kind of close to that. I mean, goblins, death. Like, I mean, oh, what about this? Yeah. There's black metal.

Yeah. Green metal. Green metal. Green metal. Yeah, about that. I'm a green metal. That's a new thing. Yeah.

There's hair metal, green metal. So dude, so this, those this video comes out and it takes off. Yes. So was that, was that surprising for you? I mean, it was a little bit just because,

you know, it was just kind of like a documentary about my life. Just me working at the life insurance agency, pushing papers, crunching numbers. What's that? That's a crappy job. I mean.

Insurance salesman. I don't mind it because I'm, really good at my job. Yeah. And if you're going to do insurance, life insurance the way to go, because there's one thing that's certain. That's true. We all go not, you know, so it's very easy to sell people on it. You're like, oh, do you live? And they're like, yes. And you're like, I got something for you. Hmm, I don't have life insurance. I just realized. So should I go to you? No, absolutely, guards. I get you on a really good plan. You know what I mean? This way. I mean, obviously you have loved ones. And when you go, you don't want to leave them with nothing, right?

What does it cover? What does life insurance cover? What does life insurance cover? What do you mean? What is it cover? It covers you in your life. Okay. So when you're, bye, you know, when you're not, when you can't play riffs anymore, you know what I mean? When you're, when you're playing the solo in the sky, as they say, I don't know. I, hopefully you're, you're down here with me, you know. Yeah. Yeah, but if, yeah, but what if I do something dumb? Like, why does Paul have a cliff or something like, is, am I still covered? So is there like an idiot option that I, that I, yeah, I don't know if you know this, but humans are not smart. No. At all. So like, our plans cover a lot of dumbness. You know, there's a lot of stuff. And we're like, oh, you're in a band. Like, yeah, you're not the smartest guy. But, you know, like, and we'll immediately give you on a good plan. I appreciate that, man.

You're going to say, like, oh, this is who I want the money to go to if I go. Yeah. You know, but like who you leave your 28 guitars to, that's on you. Yeah. We're just like, we'll just give whoever you decide some money when you're gone to cover cost of stuff. So 20 guitars, probably $28, because you know how much money you're making in music. So, right? So I have-

Derek? Huh? Do you make money in music? I have $28. Oh, that's $20 more than me. I was just saying, yeah. Am I got a Costco hot dog every other week or something like that? I got to give it to my producer or my podcast, so.

Yeah. So he'll probably get, what, like 10%? So he'll get, what, like, $4? bucks. Yeah, I think that's, I think it's pretty good. I mean, I think I pay J five bucks. So what's your name by the way? Jerry. Jerry? Jerry. Yes, your name? Oh, that's Jerry. Jerry. That was the name of my old assistant. Oh. Before Johanis, there was someone, believe it or not, even worse than Johannes. His name is Jerry. Shout out. Jerry. Oh, my God. Wow. All right. Well, I won't put any, you know, preconceived notions your way.

I will just treat you as a no, Jerry. Which, by the way, I can tell it's a lot better than Johannes. The cameras are set up. He hasn't stood up one time to go distract the guest. Here he is. Look at this guy. Shout out, Johannes. Shout out.

No, there's no reason to shout out, Joe. You can't hear you under that beard. Well, it's great to know that my left to be covered. Because as you know, musicians, do you tend to be not the smartest? one of them. Yeah. Are you a little reckless scars on stage? A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. But it's kind of fun though, right? That's kind of the fun of it. You can't help it once the music is going, your body, you're not, I'm not even moving my body anymore. Something else is taking over my organism and it starts moving, but unfortunately that will cause an injury and being reckless.

I've been thinking about a new business. Okay. Starting like a chiropractor business for metal heads. Because I'm just like I see them whipping around their hair Yeah, corn was always like hunched over. You're like they either got scoliosis or something's happening here. I feel like you could make a lot of money getting metal pants and metal heads to a chiropractor. You know, something like that. Yeah, yeah. So all their necks are probably just all jacked up.

You know, especially when they're doing the, I see Alex in my bed and just the full, you do that one? Yeah. What's called the windmill? Yeah, windmill. Yeah. That can't be good. That's not good for your body, neck, or mind. That's actually how Jonathan Davis looks when he stands up.

That's him fully upright. That's how he looks up. I agree. He used to be six foot, but now he's 5'4. 5'4. Because he just kept, and eventually your knees just kind of weakened and crunched into your bones. Is that how you got you a hump? Because you just started head banging, dude.

Yeah, I mean, I've kind of always had the hump, but I do feel like it's growing. I'm a little self-conscious of it. I know. I just got to cut back on the fried foods and the human skin. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I heard because,

well, John, I've heard people give you a lot of compliments on your skin. And I, and I heard that is because you rub bacon. That's right. On grease. Yeah,

the grease is very important to skin. A lot of people don't know that. Yeah. There was like, oh, my skin's oily. You're like, that's a good thing. Yeah.

Like, I want it to be oily. In fact, what I used to do back in the day before I could afford, like the real nice. stuff yeah i would go to like uh you know i'micky d's or like a burking at the end of the night and i'd be like hey like yeah it'd be like oh you're here to like get the leftover fries you're

like no can you take the fries out i just want the oil oh yeah so i just ask for their little oil they just hook it up to a little hose i would just kind of douse myself in that okay so i'm i'm pretty sure it's good it's good for your face are you putting this like around your but hold too or what's like that oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i put it everywhere Oh, everywhere. I want it all over me. And then the trick is, you can't shower. Oh.

Because I'll wash it off. Yeah. You know what I mean? So that's what I do with my hair and my body. And that's how you get very nice skin. You're not concerned about the smell? No? Smell, I would, no, I don't think I smell.

Oh, you sure? I don't think so. I smell something. Jerry? I open the window, but. Yeah, some of these. But it's just for the air. are not no yeah yeah i mean for sure because it sounds like someone fucking died in here but yeah i was

walking by this other person right before they fainted yeah i was gonna ask you if i smell what's uh yeah yeah he he passed out before i got the answer so i assume i smell fine what's your fascination with apple bees oh uh chilies chilies no no no but i heard that you want because chilies no because chilies disced you so so now they want to goate applebee's well thank you garcy so much in his research but but you do have a fascination with the Chili's. Yeah, for years, here's the thing, man. And you know this. You know, doing a pod,

getting sponsors, all those things, you know. Which, by the way, today's episode is brought to you by fry grease. Get it where you can. Why is Chili's dissing you, man? Well, I gave them free promotion for years. I know. Okay, and a lot of my money. Yeah.

And then I read that they had an announcement for a new brand ambassador. And he was in the metal world. And it wasn't John Goblokane. Wow. Can you believe that? Who got it? It hurt. I forget who it was, but it really hurt me.

And so now I will not go there for breakfast. You know, I'm just, I'm just doing lunch, dinner, sometimes dessert, and then I'll do breakfast there the next day. But that's it. Okay? I'm done with them. So is your replacement Applebee's or no? I like Applebee's.

I've been really trying to find my next place. And while I'm doing that, and don't get me wrong, I'm done with Chili's, I'm freaking done. But while I'm finding the replacement, I'm just kind of like, you're just kind of like,

I'm thinking about it in my booth at Chili's, that's my regular booth. I'm really thinking, I'm like, oh, yeah, I could go across street and I will. You know, because I'm done. I ain't promoting Chili's anymore. And once I go there today for Happy Hour,

I ain't going back till tomorrow's happy hour. Sounds like a serious addiction. I don't think that's going to help your diet. Oh, what are you talking about? Chili's great. I mean, look at her. Is she a Chili's? Radical Rita.

Oh, man. Okay, I got to get me one of those. All right, last half of this, we all go to Chili's. Perfect. Well, I don't, but I've had, so the worst date, are you, are you single John? Yeah, but I, I, I'm on the apps. I was going to ask you, like, what's like the, what's like the, are you on tender or like, what's, well, I'm on all the apps, you know, you know, my face, you know, and then when my date sees me, she helps. See, but the problem with dating, Garza, you know, you.

It's like they say that nobody looks like their profile picture, you know? Yeah. And my problem is... You look exactly like the profile. But that's... Because you are honest goblin. Yeah, I'm very forthright with what you're getting. But I just find, like, dating is just a little tougher being a goblin.

Like, it just is. There's just, like, a stigma about us. I don't know what it is. Yeah. But I would like to find love. I would like to experience it. Hmm. Where, yeah, where's like the best place to find it, you think? Well, and it on the road, you know, because I...

No. I don't know if you've been to a metal concert before, but the ratio is a little off, you know? No, no, no. Sometimes I'm like squinting. I'm like, I think that's a gal. Nope, no, it's not. Okay. Uh, but no, I also kind of opened up where I'm no longer just into women or men or humans or anything. I'm just kind of like whatever goes now. Whatever, because you are g-sexual, correct?

Yeah, some people call omnosexual, but yeah, g-sexual, that's correct. That's where we're just like, you know, like, that's a handsome guitar. You know what I mean? Okay. So. It's just like everything that's on the planet has a potential. I don't want to limit myself. It's like, what if I, what if I was like, oh, no, I, I wanted date an Ottoman.

And then that was the one. That was my, that was my soul couch, you know, like, I could, I just want to be open to whatever life throws at me. See? Yeah. And you can't look at that and tell me that looks like a fun time. You can have fun on it. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's fun and also you have fun on it. Well, I can promise you this. You're never going to get rejected by an ornament. I haven't yet. So I can't argue that. Yeah. See? Can I be honest, John?

Of course. I want you to be open to honest this podcast. I think I know why you're single. I think I know why. And I think no one has told you this before, but I think, I know. You can, I think you're probably just assuming, I think you're taking your dates to Chili's and Applebee's. And those are by far the worst dates I ever had were at those places. But it's got like $6 aren't.

I don't know if you saw it. Sizzling fajitas as well. Yeah, but it's not a good date spot. I mean, yeah, like I take them in. Yeah. I sit them at my booth. And I kind of like talk at them for three hours. Yeah.

Tell them all about chilies and the old secret menu that they don't know about. And I run them through everything. And I tell about my life story and my band. And then I, you know, I order a bunch of stuff. And I'm like, well, you don't get your turn. This, these are mine, you know. And I just kind of eat everything in front of them. Yeah.

And you're saying that that's not attractive? I think, so there's, so there's the word attractive. What's the word opposite of attractive? That's probably what you're doing when you take a girl to, Chili's. Opposite of attractive. Yeah, what's the opposite of that of that word? Shot?

Sexual tension, I think. No, no, no. No, see, attraction is attached to sexual tension. And we take someone to Chili's on the fucking first date. Yeah. That's the opposite. Yeah, that's awesome, dude. That's what I do. No. Yeah, definitely. I'm like sitting in there.

Oh, okay, so what you're doing, so we found on Google, it says repulsion. Now that sounds like a metal band That is a metal band actually, right? Is it? Is it? It's kind of like, oh yeah, you got a tour back in the day.

It's an 80s legendary band, right? Oh yeah, see, I do it. Yeah, you're, yeah. When did they come out, Jay? 84, I think. Shout out repulsion. Who probably is somewhere right now in Flint, Michigan, just going, holy shit.

I did not know that they were flying about us. They are from Flint. I didn't know that. So they're, I'm not sure. if you know this, John, but this band is actually credited to have the first blast beat ever. And I knew that, and that's why I brought them up.

Did you see that, Jerry? I saw it. That's why I said it. I was like, oh, opposing is definitely a band and they got the first black, black beats. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Blast beats, what were they called?

Blast beats. Blast beats. So you know when your band has a really fast snare? Is I doing that? Yeah, do that a lot. Yeah. That is called a blast beat. Oh, really?

My band also does it. You just do, if you just hit the snare a lot. Yeah. Kind of like you're jacking off, but on a snare drum, it. Oh, do you think that's what's happening, like almost like a Pavlovian response to men? And that's why, like, men are like so into metal. Yeah. It's because they're used to that sound.

Is that a thing? Is that a thing? Yeah. It is now. It is now. Yeah. Why do you think blast beats started? Because back in the day, everything.

was like 4-4 and just you know bar right and then metal dudes came in they started making it a little faster a little faster than a little faster got a lot faster a lot faster yeah and they credit repulsion

napalm death is thrown in there so in late 80s and ever since then man our bands now both are just doing like it's just like nothing yeah I feel like both our bands when they're writing music they're like oh which notes do you want to use and they're like all of them yeah how about all of them yeah yeah just

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off your membership. That's distrokid.com slash VIP slash Garza to get 30% off. What do you think if we were to do a poll, John, if they were doing like an honest poll with the world, it's like, right, which band is worse? Suicide silence or Necrogopacan? Who do you think it's going to be like, oh, who is worse? As it might. As people or music?

Both. Or in smell. Oh, smell. Yeah, because I feel like we're pretty low on this. I've been in a van with these guys. And they. A smell that you're causing, though. I don't know if it's from me.

I think it's from you. It smells like bacon and dirt and grime and like, you know. I think it's because the bacon grease you're rubbing on your face. Oh, interesting. I didn't really thought about that. What do you think, Jerry? Jerry. What do you think?

What if we're tied? Two worst bands on planet Earth I feel like that Did that that's a pretty good It's good because now bad is good Everything's reversed I know it's all about Bad Press is good press

Being a bad band means your good band Yeah I mean look at these guys There's not A deodorant amongst them You know what I mean These guys are stinky They got weird hair

Weird Mous How long have Have you known your band? How long have I been in the band? How long have you known them? Oh, probably since 2012. You know, since they approached me to do that documentary, no one survives. 13 years.

Yeah, it's been a long time. We did a documentary about it. Oh, there it is. Eight years of no one survived. Which is like a big number everyone always celebrates. You got to do eight years. That's what they say. Oh, see eight years?

I thought it was ten. Well, we did a documentary at eight years. And I think we're trying to make that thing, which hasn't really caught on. All right. Yeah. Yeah, Post Malone talked about us. Yeah, he kind of manifested you becoming a official singer. A lot of people online seems to think that that's actually what happened.

And I believe it. You know, he was kind of like, he told Joe Rogan, he was like, oh, yeah, they have a goblin singer. And when I heard that, that was something in me. turned because I was just like you know happy just dancing on stage but I knew from singing in the shower that there was something to it and then I was like wait a minute what if post Malone he's actually prophet Malone and he is just saying so wow that I will then become I mean look at this guy he's barely awake that's a profit

that's a profit right there that's what a real profit is and so yeah look at this and he was like if you see a dogman got their goblin is a singer and I heard that I just kind of like why aren't I the singer like we're a goblin

metal band who just happens to have a goblin who just like is off to the side of the stage and so then I think like the universe just kind of happened and then Dickie came our way and then it was kind of like guys I gotta be a here to come I think I could

do this and I have yeah so 27 auditions later yeah 27 you know why why why is it so many I think they really wanted to make sure they had the right gob you know yeah

and I think I proved that I have and in a way I'm still kind of proving it because I still don't make any money and I'm still not part of the band It's as far as the way they talk about me And stuff like that I'm still not on the tour bus

But I feel like I'm getting there Almost there Almost there But no but now you're in You know what I think happened though I think that after their first audition John They're like this is fucking terrible And then they tried other goblins out

But they're even worse So they kept doing that. And after there was a 26th time, I think, you know what? John, John is the goblin. He's in. Yeah, my cousins were blowing me up.

They're like, I think I'm auditioning for your band, aren't you in the band? I'm like, geez, scary. Get out of here, dude. It's my job to win, you know? And I, that just motivated me. Honestly, all the stuff,

post-belowed, my cousins auditioning, me not getting, I was like, this is mine. Like, I manifested this. I need this to happen. Yeah. You know?

God above, as they say. Okay, so where, John, so where are you from? Oh. Are you from like another planet? I remember Reseda. Okay. Yeah, California. That could be.

Yeah, it's definitely, it's the Deep Valley. That's what they say. They go, is that? You going out to the other planet? You're like, yeah, Deep Valley, 818. There it is. Yeah, I've been born and raised, Reseda. Oh, so you were born here?

I think so. Garza, it gets a little chaotic. Because I was trying to do some history on you, John, and I was listening to your audiobook. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so. Yeah, God, God's got to live your best life. Yeah.

Be kind, be green. That's right. And I was like, and I heard, you kind of touched you, but you, you skip such an important part so quickly, I heard the word other planet, and then you kind of skipped over it. Yeah, because. Here you're a thing. Yeah. Like a lot of people who are adopted, I've adopted.

Oh. You kind of learn some things along the way. Oh. And so I thought, because of the way I looked, I'm like, I can't be from here. I don't know anybody that looks like me. I've seen a lot of people around California that look pretty close. But once I started entering outside of Recita, I definitely started to see more people. Oh, yeah.

And more goblins and then more green people. Yeah. And then I started to learn, I'm like, I think maybe I am from here. here, you know? And it's kind of like people who, like, are adopted when they eventually just start going, you know what, whoever my birth parents are, those aren't parents. These are my parents. These are the people that raised me.

Yeah. And so I believe, like, I am from recita because recita raised me. Yeah. I'm 8.1.8 till I die, you know, that's how I feel. Yeah. And so I just feel like after the book, I just started really embracing who I am. And we did another documentary called, see, look, Jerry, it says, look, look.

Oh, go up. Go up. I just saw it. Where he go? Oh, no, maybe it's down. Jerry. Jerry. That's, see, that's you now.

But I think, I think, uh, we did a documentary called dressed as goblins. Hmm. Where they followed me around with my, uh, adopted father and family. And I, and I think that. really kind of showed a lot of people like, you know, how I was raised by nice old white family, you know.

What are your... There he is. Here's dad. So what do your parents think about what you're doing now? Oh, well, they're probably not thinking anything because they're dead. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Sorry to hear that, John. No, they're, yep, they filmed it. Oh, wow. Like a bunch of psychopaths. Yep. It's a stuff film. Yeah. Okay.

There he goes. Bye. Yep. But I'm sure they're very proud of you. What's that? I'm sure they're very proud of you. Yeah. Yeah, I think, you know, I think they probably would be. I think they were definitely, you know,

encouraging me to like go like the traditional route. They were the one that's like, you gotta get a job, make some money. Insurance salesman. You know, go get a job at the insurance agency like everybody else. Yeah. I don't know if they be fully approving of the fact. that's like a metal band and you know we're touring and all these other bands but i'm doing what i love you know i i you love it you love it what's that you love it i do love it yeah i my favorite

part about being a musician is when i get likes on social media oh that's not what yeah and and and And when people are like, oh, you're the best job. Like, whatever that part is, that's the best part. That's why we do it. We do it for the likes, right, musicians? I just like when people are constantly just like making art of me and like talking about me. And just like everyone's just like kind of like when they literally bowed out. Oh my God.

When they are like when I walk in a room and they're just doing this. What is that called? That's why we do it. No, no, that's not. That's not what you do it? No, I don't read comments. Oh. How do you, I literally post something and I just, I'm just doing refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh.

I'm like, see the views, see the views, views, views, do, do, do clicks, click, comments, comments, yeah. Well, I think humans call that, uh, unhealthy. I think it's, we, uh, we humans call that ego. A very, that sounds like a very unhealthy ego. I don't think it about you. Jerry, okay. I don't think it about ego. I just like my name on everything.

And I like everyone to give me accolades and compliments. And that's how I find my self-worth. You know, it's kind of like that. I wouldn't call it ego. I would just say like that, yeah, look at someone who drew that at me. That's me. That means they love me. I'm not sure this is the best or worst picture I've ever seen in my fucking.

I'm not pooping. No, it's because you're a hump on your back, dude. Oh, interesting. Oh, I'm doing, I must have corn's chiropractor. Yeah. Those guys, those guys must pay the chiropractors a lot. They fucking need them. Yeah.

Yeah, but see, I think all this kind of stuff, like, that's, that's how I know I've loved, you know. And I think seeking this kind of stuff out is the way to go. Mm. You know, like, I'm all four, like, I think we need more filters on Instagram. You know what I mean? I think we need more of that kind of stuff. I think that's good, especially for the kids. Oh, for the kids?

Oh, my. Yeah, I mean? It's like, you know, like the way you look, change it. And that's what's great about the internet right now. Oh, I think that's going to really destroy a lot of kids' lives. Really? Yeah. Oh, interesting.

Yeah. Well, they might end up being, you know, front goblins of metal band. You never know. Well, as I found out from your book, John, and, you know, The world needs more goblins slash trolls. Oh, yeah. So what's, okay, so from your opinion, what is the difference between a goblin and a troll? Well, thank you for asking.

So, goblins, we are green, which I feel like have always represented kind of the every gob, you know, we're empathetic. We try and do our best. Now, don't get me wrong. Not always goes our way, but we are. trying to do good. Trolls, their whole existence is bad. What they want to do is they want to crap on everything. They want to get in your head. They want to make you feel less than. They want to do all that stuff. Yeah. And I mean, do you have people come out here bands and like kind of shit on other bands. Is that not not really? Okay, well I'm gonna do it.

Finn Troll and any other troll band. We're coming for you. You know, we've been coming for you for a while. We'll come for you. You know. So I don't like trolls. I don't. And by the way, yeah, there you go.

The troll movie. The troll movie. AKA the biggest propaganda machine out there. Okay. I mean, this is insane. This is not what they really look like. No. They don't have gems in their little belly buttons.

They don't sing Justin Timberlick. That's not what they do, Garza. That's true. They're lurking in the dark. They're underneath bridges, making you solve a. riddle and they're in your comments. You're probably on this show being like, oh, this goblins cringy. Oh, uh, people always, people always assume that Necrogelgod has a gimmick.

Yeah. I guess because I have like, you know, six humans behind me or whatever. Yeah. And they're all like behind you black and whatever. Like that's a little bit of a gimmick. But I've never been a fan of gimmicks. I don't like gimmick bands, you know, like there's been record companies that have approached. us and like Joe, why don't you like, you know, wear a mask like slip nod or have like everyone

do so. It's like that stuff is just cheap. Yeah. It just is silly. Slipnot's cheap. I was talking to Guar about it the other day. We're both like, what's all these gimmicky bands coming out? Yeah. And that's why I'm like, we got to tour together. We got to be purity and metal. Keep it serious. You know? And that's why I've tour with these guys. They just get it. You know, they get it. And I think it's because they're not originally from here. That's true. Well, they're also from another planet. Yeah. Which they may end up finding out, they may like do research and be like, oh, we're actually

from Van Nuys, you know, you never know. Oh, yeah. We're actually from Richmond. Oh. Virginia, right? Yeah. They could have been adopted as well. Who knows?

Yeah. I see, I love those guys for Clark. We had so much fun with them. You guys do a tour together? Yeah, we did tour with Guar. So fun. Nice. So, so fun.

We've done, we did a tour with cartoons. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Death Clock? Dead Clock, guys saw that. Yeah, a bunch of cartoons. That's cool.

Yeah, I was like, I never met them offstage. They would always be like, where are they? You know, I'd love to get their autograph. I love cartoons, you know. But I could never find them. Just, yeah. They were part of hiding. Yeah, that could have been hiding.

Hiding from you. Yeah. I would hide from you for you for sure. Yeah, there they are. Those guys are awesome. You know what? That's a show, John. I never really watched.

I don't know why. I need to watch it, dude. I feel like it's required. for every metal dude. Like the one metal show on TV. Yeah, see, why do you think that is, Garz? Let me ask you a question.

I don't know. I don't know. Why aren't there more movies and TV shows or even podcasts about metal? Why is it the forgotten genre? It's just a hard, it's a hard thing to hit. It's just a hard thing to do.

It's hard. Why do you think that, like what makes it hard to you? I don't know. Well, there's the money that that's not good there. It's what I listen to it. I'm hard. Right, so why do you think it's hard, Garza?

I don't know. I don't know. It has to be pure. If it's not pure, then it doesn't, I don't know. It just doesn't hit. I don't know. And also, like, the money things. Do you feel being in a metal band for so long that it is growing?

Or has it always still remained this kind of niche genre? It's definitely growing. I think it is. I mean, look at your band. I mean, growing. Well, yeah, it's because we, we have eight members, now we have 10 members, 11 member, 12 members. I mean, we're definitely growing. Okay.

Not the way I want to. I mean, in popularity, the band is growing. Yeah. And you, you, John, you have a, I mean, you have your book. Yeah. Which is also on audio version, as we were talking earlier. That's right. You have a podcast.

The right now podcast. Yes. for mixed reviews. Yeah. But it's... But it's... It's there. It's out there.

It is there. It's out there. It's on... Is it on... It's on... It's on NerecogobbleCon YouTube channel. That's right.

I thought it was on tube or something. No, so... Okay. So it's on YouTube? Here it is. Okay. It used to be on Spike TV, but now it's on... Oh, nice.

...chard channel. Yeah. And it's actually been going, which... I didn't know, John. It's been going for a while. First, it started off as, like, a TV series. Yeah. And then it's actually...

is evolved to like, oh, now it's like a fool on. You're sitting there for at least an hour. Oh, yeah. Chatting. Oh, yeah. Sometimes more if I like them. Yeah. Every week, boom.

Yeah, it's, see, I've always kind of seen myself as like a gob of all trades, you know, where I, I want to do a little music. I want to do a little comedy. Yeah. I want to do a little thing. What's a call where it's like, you like have followers, but like they kind of. kind of all do whatever you want to be doing. You're like living in like one like kind of like I think that's kind of buy out a bunch of buildings like way off the grid.

I think that you is that a cult? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to do that. I want to I want to have the band comedy that and you know eventually quit my life insurance day job.

You haven't quit yet? No, I still. I still work. Yeah. Oh. I got to go out right after this. Yeah. Oh, shit.

I think so I want lunch. I don't take a while for lunch. So this can be a long lunch, dude. Yeah, I help me all right. You know, he's barely there. You know, he's probably, you know, what are they called? You know, swing in links, you know. So I want to do a lot of things.

And I don't feel like I'm even close to where I want to be. No, no. It's going to take you your whole life. How long does a goblin even live for? Well, I found out through like some documents that I just turned 30K. 30,000 years old Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I don't think documents existed that long.

Oh, interesting. Yeah. Carbon dating, maybe. Yeah, but I... Carbon dating, okay. Yeah, I did the 23 and me. Okay. Yeah, and they just sent back the shrugging emoji, you know, so I don't know what that meant.

But, so I, I think I'll live for quite a bit. You know, probably outlive the band. I've seen the way they live, you know. Hard and fast, you know, same way in the bedroom. So I think I will continue to evolve and grow. And then eventually, you know, I'll be like AI, John, and there'll be holograms of me. And, you know, I think then I'll start the compound and stuff like that. How much longer do you think you have?

I think I got at least seven or eight days. I don't think that that's enough time to get another record out. Oh, we got it. Yeah, we're, that thing's coming out. So, yeah, we're working on the EP and that's coming out. We got new music coming out. We got two tours coming out. So we're going to be busy and the podcast and comedy.

It's like all of a sudden, it's like my calendar is really just like. Yeah, what do you have coming up? Well, we're doing the show me your goblin tour in the UK because we just did a little United States. which was super fun with a bunch of great bands like Allegiance some other awesome bands and then after we do that we're going to do like a tiny

you know like a what do they call it like a part of the show me or goblin tour in the US we're going to play select cities and that's going to lead us up to the Lamb of God cruise I mean Oh you're doing that cruise? Yeah we're doing the cruise man

bunch of metal head on a boat. No sunscreen. What could happen? Is that the headbangers boat? Yeah. Oh, wow. Head beggars boat, baby.

Because it's October 31st to November 4th. Yeah, which is perfect. But I... I mean to Mexico. Yeah. They were like calling me and they're like,

John, we want to get you because it's Halloween. It is Halloween. Wow. Why? Yeah. Why would you... Jerry?

I don't know. They're like, we got to get you because it's Halloween. Like, I don't dress up. I don't like Halloween at all. Like, why do you get me? Doesn't make sense.

Call flipnot. Those guys are wearing costumes, you know? Call those cheapos. Yeah. So I don't really know, but, you know, they wanted us Halloween weekend.

So we're there. And before that, I'm doing a bunch of comedy dates in L.A. I'll be, I'm doing Chicago. Zays in Chicago for the Chicago Comedy Fest. Next day I'm doing

Newer Comedy Fest. in New York and Brooklyn, New York. I'm playing a date in Seattle at the crocodile for all you metal heads in Seattle that want to come see me do some metal comedy. And then we're doing the head beggars

boat. And I mean, we're just like, we got new music coming out. We're gonna, it's just, I'm exhausted, Garza. Do you train coffee or something? What do you, what do you do to get energy? That's a, I'll, I was kind of doing the Celsius thing.

Okay. But only when it was the cans that I knew that had the vodka in it. Remember for a small period? Oh, yeah. We were talking about that. There was like a small batch of Celsius that got. Yeah, I ate a ball. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I got him shipped right to my house. I was like, that sounds awesome. And it was. Yeah. So I'll do that. Or, dude, that'll piss me off. I was drinking, drink, drinking a Celsius.

and then I start getting drunk. That would piss you off? Yeah. Oh, do you not drink? I drink a lot, but only at certain moments. Time, so if, like, right now, I would not drink. I would have a Celsius to focus and work. It seems to you found a way to not focus and work.

See, that's my thing. Yeah, I think. I think you got to try the other way, Garters, though. No, you can't. I think, I think you got to. Unfocused work? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Yeah, that's, that's. That's how I've been doing this new writing process with the band. You know? Yeah, I was curious since you're actually now an official singer and official member after so many years, John. How are you guys writing music now? Well, usually like the band is like writing everything. Yeah. You know, and then I'll send them like voice notes, you know, of kind of like what I'm thinking, you know.

Like go, gum, gum, gam, yeah, it would be a little bit like that. But it would also be like, hey, like, instead of playing like doodle doodle doodle det, play like do do do do do do do do do do do. And it'll be like, we don't know what that means. And then a lot of times they're like, we can't reach your writing like one of these lyrics. You know what I'm like? It's called calligraphy. Figure it out. And then other times I'll show up to the studio and it'll have like a, what's that word?

Foreclose. Foreclosed. It'll have a foreclosure. side of the studio and a bunch of chains and stuff and I can't get in and then you know I like said me the wrong date so I don't really we have a you know I'd be a little I want to talk bad about her you know it's been it's been a rough process for me yeah you know so I think what they're doing is they're writing a bunch of music because they're musicians and then they'll cattle prod me awake Oh yeah

And I'll just start singing and the recording it That's how we did You know show me your goblin I just kind of was like Those that's how That's the only way I could hit those notes sometimes Yeah Yeah

Don't just shock you Yeah Yeah That's where that first note came from Yeah And I heard your Your pre-show ritual Is uh

You have a full handle of jack That's right Is this something that you're still doing On your On your diet Yeah Uh the glass I feel like helps my throat a little bit gives me the sound the glass oh yeah I eat the whole bottle oh

that's why it needs to be a handle oh I need to be able to you know hold it above and take it down oh my goodness yeah yeah if you're just drinking the inside you're like missing the best parts it gets like stuck all in the glass and crevices it's delicious so I'll just take like a full bottle I'll take that down I'll gargle with the glass I'll let's Let that go down, settle in my tummy. Like, I'll feel a little something, you know. A little something. That's what I'll cruise through like, I don't know, like two or three 30 racks of beer.

Just kind of like take the edge off. Yeah. And, yeah, then like I'll eat a bunch of weed and, you know, sometimes I'll go out. I'll be like, who's got pills, you know? And they'll be like, here you go. And I'll just like dump them out in my hand. Yeah. I'll take those.

And then I will start my pre-show. ritual of like, you know, just having a couple drinks before the show. Oh, so that, that's all the pregame. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's like, it's like, what is it called? When you like, open your eyes, like, first thing in the morning. Waking up?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, I'll do that and then I'll start that stuff. Okay. And, uh, you know. That would kill me. No, no, no, no, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm fine. You have me? If I had a full panel with Jack, I think I would, I would literally kill me.

Really? Yeah. But see, I. I guess that's just, you know what I mean? You're not a, you're not a singer like me. Yeah. Like when you become like a metal singer, you can do whatever you want. More, right.

Yeah, you can do whatever you want. That explains it. Yeah. Everyone's always like, oh, we're worried about you. You know, like, oh, John, you're in a dark place. I'm like, it's metal. Yeah. Come on, guys.

Do you ever get, like, depressed or anything? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But that's why I do that. And then I'm like, oh, I, you know, I feel nothing. that's kind of my thing. Oh, I don't, yeah. I don't think that's the way that you're supposed to handle it.

I think you're not supposed to drink, and you're supposed to feel the feelings. As opposed to, because you don't want to drown out your feelings. Jerry. Jerry, oh, and then it'll feel sad.

No, thank you. Come on, psychotic. No, you're supposed to feel sadness, though, John. But we're not an emo band. We're a metal band. We're a metal band. Yeah, but even if you're a metal band,

you're supposed to feel sad. that then you could write about it in your lyrics. See, that's interesting. Yeah. No, thanks. Yeah. No. No.

Just, no, thank you. That's fine. No. We all have different processes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, good. They brought my check. Get it. Put it up in my, to go back. Thank you. Or just in my cup holder in my car. Thank you so much.

Yeah. That's. I, I've taken away, though. I'm not actually driving. The robots are so I can drink. Then,

What do you write about? Just like goblin stuff. You know, like what it's like to be a goblin. I want other people to show me that they're a goblin, show them how to become a goblin. Because the more goblins we have, Garza, the less. Trolls. That's right.

Yeah. That's right. Is there any relationship between trolls and goblins? Is that, is there any kind of, is it, are they like your cousins or something? What's like the? Well, they're my rivals. You know what I mean? We're like the original bloods and crips, you know?

Yeah. I was wondering, like, are they, like, connected in some, in some way? Uh, I don't. I hope not. I'll say that. I hope not. I will say that they are really having their moment right now. But that's why we need to have a moment.

They are. Trolls. They're just like, they're really popular now. Like, oh, no. You're outnumbered. Yeah. If you go on X now. You're like, is there even a goblin?

You know, it's just... That's where they live. That's the way of where they fucking live. Yeah, and in the comments and stuff like that. And I just find that once you tell a troll, like, hey. You're a troll. You're a troll. They get very upset.

And then if you, like, blow them a kiss or something, they just, they can't handle it. No. Yeah. That's what I do in traffic. Whatever else is, like, honking and flicking everybody off, I just, He's like, mhm-m-hm-h-and-they crash right into the side. Oh, yeah. That actually explains why you probably wrote your book.

It was a big motivation. Because you need your out-numbers, so you need more goblins to outnumber the trolls. I would say the band, writing the songs, writing my book, doing my comedy, it's all just trying to make a few more goblins in this world. I think if you go gobb, you'll go good. You know, and I think...

Wow, that's... That's a bumber sticker. That was right off my... Wow. Go go. That's pretty good. Okay. All right.

After talking about... So I think that that would help, and I feel like, if people were more goblins, it would just be a more fun place to kind of live and hang and party. Like, the bands that we tour with, they may come on tour with us as humans. People may come on my podcast as not. so funny comedians. But when they leave, they're goblins. They're goblins.

And I kind of feel like you're kind of turning as well, Garza. I don't think so. Really? Yeah. There's time. I'll get you. It's the, it's the whole drowning your feelings thing that's really stopping me. Oh, interesting.

Yeah. All right. Well, hey, you have your writing process. and that's that's fine you know what's your what's your writing process like then with with with with with your comedy oh yeah uh well how do you start that's a good question yeah i'm still trying to figure that out okay so yeah i'm still trying yeah i because i what's happening now is like i'm at these comedy clubs and i'm like talking into the mic but they're not the crowd is like There's a call when it's like you can kind of like hear a pin drop and quiet.

It's very quiet and not, uh, probably not laughing. Yeah, I think it's because it's like I'm just too heady, you know? I'm just like, like, I'm making them think or something, you know. So I've just haven't really figured out how they're like going to start laughing a bunch, you know? Yeah. But that's what I like about having comedians on my podcast is I kind of like steal their material, you know. Oh, perfect. Yeah.

So I'm going to try to start doing that a little more, you know. I'm not sure you're supposed to. steal it though I don't think yeah I think yeah and this show honestly this show they're laughing I've had it was sweet

where's it John this was at the Moot Tower Comedy Festival at a show called stand up on the spot where you're not allowed to write material which is perfect for me oh sign me up yeah and you just people give you a suggestion and you just have to go off the suggestion

so yeah that was just right off the old goblin dome there. Are you serious? I had a lot of fun, yeah. Are you serious? Yeah. Oh, wow, I didn't know that. Yeah, this is all just,

has to be made up, which is perfect for me, because it's like... So that's, so that's the concept where, like, did they tell you, hey, I can't, oh, wait, you can't write

before you go on stage. Yeah, oh, it's like, dang, yeah, that would freak me out. It was a little scary at first, I got to admit, but the guy who hosted Jeremiah Watkins,

shout out, Jeremiah Watkins! Shout out. He's so good at it. And he comes on for the last little part of it. So he's, he kind of, he helps you know. But I went out there by myself and people just shout stuff at you and you just kind of got to like just, you know. But that's how did I do on my podcast?

You know, I don't prepare anything other than a bunch of notes, you know. But that read off of. But I don't prepare anything. Other people prepare it for me. Oh, wow. You know, like Johannes, Dave, and, you know, don't prepare it. But other than that, I don't do any prep. It's like if you were to come on my podcast, which I hope you do.

I would love to. When you come on my podcast, you'll see. Like, you know what I mean? I just wake up. I get out from underneath the desk. I sit down. And we just go. We just, we're ready to go.

Do you also can handle a podcast before you do the podcasts? Yeah. I mean, I'll need a good bit before I feel ready to speak words. Yeah. That explains a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You got some crazy guest, too. But man, how was, how was Fred Jurist? Oh, well, he didn't make it. Yeah, that's what was so sad is we're expecting Fred Durst. But see, this is Gary. He's a tea bag artist. So we were all excited about having Fred.

Because I don't know if you guys, we toured with Limpisket. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's awesome. toured in the correct tour up and down the UK with Lipiscuit and whatever that creature is that plays guitar and we toured with them

and I was so excited to have it back on the pond, have on the pond talk about Fred and then his manager arrives and he goes, I'm so sorry, Fred Durst isn't here. I was heartbroken and then he goes, but I have his buddy, Gary.

He's a tea bag artist, which I didn't know what that was at the time, but then I learned. And we had a really good podcast without Fred. So I still would love Fred Durst to come on. If I asked Fred Durst to come on the podcast, I'm sure he'd say, yeah. You also, there's like a lot of similarities in its face. You know, I thought that too.

Kind of like, I was like, I think it's pretty sure that's Fred Durst. Yeah. But I could be wrong. I am wrong. See, that's the thing. I am human. Humans are wrong a lot. And he came in and right away, he was like, oh, man, I'm so mad.

I got to break stuff. And I was like, don't do that. Oh, you know. And he was all talking about this relationship we got out. He was like, oh, yeah, I just got all this nooky. And I was like, I don't know. It's kind of weird, you know? Then I had my cards.

He just kind of rearranged them. But anyways, stuff like that. You just got to have faith, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Eventually the real friendters will come. Well, what, what you're doing with, right now and John, I think you're on the path

where I think the real Ventures might show up. I think so. I mean, we've had West Borland on, you know. So. He's literally one of the best guitar players on the planet. Really? Yeah. West Borland plays guitar?

Yeah. Oh my God. I thought he was a makeup artist. Oh. I thought he was like in Sephora somewhere. You know, you want a consultation? You know? I understand the confusion.

Yeah. Yeah. This is a big misunderstanding. So he plays guitar. Yeah. Interesting. Pretty sick. Nice.

Speaking of guitar players, your guitar player, Alex, it's a shredder, dude. He shredder, him. That dude is awesome. And Diamond Joe, those are our two guitar players. And Ben, they shred. Those guys, oh. I mean, they talk about all the notes. I was watching playthrues with Alex, no, damn.

I can't do that. He's very good. And they're all muscular now And we're cut off shirts And dang There's a lot of handsome In Negragamicon Which doesn't make any sense

But Yeah those guys shredded And now they're doing a large portion Of the writing Beautiful We have an amazing keyboard player Aaron slash Raptor Who's got an amazing voice

He writes a lot of vocal parts He helps me He harmonizes with me now Beautiful He's writing music We got our drummer Eric, who, I mean, talk about Blaspey. That guy's incredible.

And then, of course, we got Dickie Allen on the other vocals. And then let's not forget our bass player, the Scottish guy, MacBook. Oh. That's his name? Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't say much. Scottish?

But I think right now, I'm not just saying this, the lineup we have right now is just, no disrespect to any other. four of root lightups. But you can see like the stuff we're writing now, I think it's our best stuff. And I know everyone always says that, but they're wrong. Yeah. I'm right.

This is the best stuff. Oh, there. See, I was like, hey, for this tour, why don't we have a giant head that's my head? You know? And they're like, yeah, it's to represent how your head is big. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now we're on the same page. So I'm loving this kind of stuff. I think the head on the stage represents your ego. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Yes, which is awesome, you know? I'm like, that's, it's so great. I love it. I'm loving it.

There's my dance moves. But in the human world, ego is bad. Yeah, but see, that's a thing. Yeah. You guys got to get over that. Yeah, you're right. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Get past that. You don't help get past that. How do you get past that? Cases of booze. Oh. Yeah. Just eat it all. And then you don't care.

about anything so that's what I'm doing my my girlfriend of a almost six years keeps telling me to cut back on that interesting yeah I think you know what I think she might be wrong I think she is wrong I think I should go more into the booze and I think she's going to appreciate this conversation and then I could then I could then I could break through my limited mindset of the ego I think so I mean six years Wow good for you I'm still looking for

you know one day or whatever however long my relationship will be but yeah the first day cannot be out of chilies or

applebees it can't what would you suggest Garza like a cheesecake factory what are we talking uh a good place to start

where we just don't go to those type of places that would be a great start what's your vibe on inviting them to your show That's fine. Because I kind of like The idea of being like

Hey, I'm going to be in town For less than 24 hours Why don't you come see my show Enjoy that And then I gotta get out of here How about this? Try just getting coffee somewhere Just go just find a coffee spot

Near the venue And just go there Have a nice innocent cup of coffee Try not to drink Before said date And I think you'll have a lot Better success that way But they'll be like nervous.

Yeah. You're supposed to be nervous before a date. Really? Yes. Because the alcohol will blind you from what. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. That's perfect. Yeah. That's what I want. I want that to. No, but.

I don't keep doing that cars. Okay. You just made me see it so clearly. Girls like for you to be vulnerable. So maybe you got to be like. you know Jerry Jerry I don't know who's talking about anymore

you're like the old Jerry oh he's nagging me about you gotta do this you got to do this you got to do oh there we go that's where I'll take her P.F. Cheggs it's a step up it's a step up

the worst thing I ever had was actually I don't remember if it wasn't Chili's or Applebee's but the first first the worst first day I ever had was taking a female there I don't know why it's just the vibe was wrong

PF Chang's or Chili's or Applebee's, I'm not sure which one it was. It was one of those chains. It's one of those like, it's kind of all like the same, you know? That's what I like, yeah. That's why I like living in Recita. All the houses look the same.

All the restaurants are the same. I want to go to a new city. And I'm like, where's the thing that I'm familiar with? That's what I like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I would, uh, that's what I'm worried about going to the UK.

It's because everything's like different, you know? Yeah. But I mean, it's different now there because I remember first going to England and that area. They didn't have, they didn't even have like Chipotle. I remember when London got a Chipotle, I remember when London got a Chipotle, it was like a big deal. Like we were all just travel across London just to go to this fucking Chipotle. So it's now seeing how the Mexican food has grown from London out throughout the whole country, even though Europe has been pretty fascinating.

So I think for you right now Might be the best time For you to tour out there I'm excited A couple more years We'll have a Taco Bell Really a step up They have a Taco Bell

In Astrodam In where? Astrodome I gotta make sure I go I gotta make sure I try that Amsterdam Taco Bell food It doesn't exactly taste Um

Okay you seem to be really high To enjoy it Oh yeah yeah I mean obviously I mean, obviously you're... Obviously, you had a few... You had a couple. Yeah.

And this tastes really good. When it's midnight, you had a few drinks. This is great. I can't wait. I'm excited about these next couple tours. I really am. UK, go back to some of my favorite cities in the U.S.,

go down in Florida. I don't know how to say any of those words. Myelden, Kandad. Oh shit. Oh, you're going to Dublin? Yeah. Oh, we love Ireland. Oh, we love Ireland.

We, man, talk about a good set of fans for metal. Yeah. Irish. Irish, the Scots. We had some of our best shows up there. Really? Yeah. Never been yet.

And in Germany. Germany, too. Yeah, they're always like, Zing Goblin, Zing, Ombled. You know, I'm like, hey. Yeah. I love that, you know. Yeah, of course you do. Yeah, oh yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And then in the U.S. we're going to play a bunch of my favorite cities. We're back in Chicago. Then we go to Florida. It's going to be so fun. That's awesome.

Cobalt. Is that what they? The Cobalt. Oh, interesting. Cobalt. Cobalt. So, wait, so in Germany, they pronounced a D, a T. Cobalt.

Cobalt. So you're a cobalt in German. Interesting. Cool, boy. I thought you said cold balls. Cold balls. Put some pants on. Would that?

Would that work too? They wouldn't care. What that looks too. Now, that would be sick going on Ireland, man? Yep. Party. Congratulations. Yeah.

Congratulations, man. Thank you. Thank you. I feel like, in a weird way, it's been 12 years. But now with everything happening now, it feels like we're just getting started. It's how it is, man. It's how it is. You're just like just getting started.

Yeah. That's how. And it's like, When I said 12 years ago, I kind of manifested this as well. Yeah. 12 years ago. I was like, do you guys know what a podcast is? They were like, no.

They're like, do you know who Garza is? They were like, no. I was like, I just feel like in 12 years, we're going on tour. I'm going to be going on a podcast, like Garza podcast and stuff like that. And they were like, I don't even know what you're talking about, John. I said, you just wait. You just wait. And look at us.

Huh? Wow. Manifesting. Couple of cops, Calvin. Crazy, right? Manifesting. Yeah.

I believe, I truly believe that if you think it, you can manifest. I truly think you say it out loud and you work towards it. I truly believe. Yeah. That's how things happen. That's right. It's like the old adage. If you think it, you stink it.

Isn't that what they say on the tour bus? Yeah. I think so. Who's this? Is the sphere next for the Goblin? Oh, I would love to perform with the Backstreet Boys. Dude, his sphere would be awesome. Speer would be crazy.

That would be freaking. I don't even know how this works. And it's real? It's not into my imagination? I just want to go see a show there, man. That would be the Bath Street Boys or? The Gob, dude. Of all the metal bands, who do you think makes it to the sphere first?

Oh, it's going to be, it's going to be Metallica. Yeah, it's going to be them. It has to be. It has to be. That would be cool. And hopefully that evolves into the, the old slip knots and the corns and,

but something like this, you're talking like every kind of music genre probably wants to go there. Yeah. All at the top of the top of those genres. Yeah. I mean, probably need to. What do you think about sleep token?

Are you sleep token? Uh, they're pretty cool. Are you? I could be. Yeah, I know. It could be. Actually, you don't, you don't really know. It could be Jerry.

You don't really know. I think, I think they're awesome. I don't listen to them in my spirit time, but, uh, I guess sleepy token. Oh, they're, oh, Jared. They're all right. You're okay with me, pal. You're okay. I just, proud of them.

It's like everyone's. Well, what do you think about them, though? I mean, look, again, it's another gimmick thing. It's like, just show your face. Yeah. Just show your face, dude. Yeah. What are you hiding?

Yeah. And just show your face. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just play the music. Yeah.

To the music. That's what I say. Yeah. You don't got to have all these bells and whistles, you know? No respect, dude. You don't got to have a song called bells and whistles. You don't need that kind of stuff. No.

Okay. So you don't like him. Yeah. And he's got abs. Like, what do we do it here? But I'll say this. they're playing arenas. And there's a lot of people

who aren't the biggest metal heads that are starting to listen to them. And I think they'll do kind of what new metal did for us. You know, it's like, it's like the gateway music. Now it'll be pretty sick. You know, either of that,

they're going to listen to Drake. This sounds kind of similar. Yeah. So I think it'll be interesting. What I do. See what happens. I think some of these riffs are beggars. And I think I'm all for things that push a little bit of the boundaries.

Yeah. There's a lot of metal heads that don't fuck with Necogamacca. And then they're like, I just want it to be this. And I only like this, the 28th subgenre of metal, you know? Yeah. I like skeez metal. They're just like saying, it's like, metal's becoming like mad lips. They just like, you put anything, and then you just put metal, and it just, they're like, that's a genre.

Like some of the other day was like, you've heard ghetto metal? It's like, no, we talk about it on my podcast. There's a band, ghetto metal. It's like, it's wild. But I'm not opposed to it. Because for a while, being in the metal world, 10 years ago, 12 years ago, it felt like we were so tidy. Yeah. And we'd play our little shows for a little belt and hands.

And we could not break into any kind of main street. Yeah. And now I feel like with our band and Europe and other bands, we're starting to get some fans that are really into it. And I think with all these clips of all these dudes, you know, playing blast beats in their basement on YouTube and stuff, all of a sudden people are like, maybe this genre of metal is actually the top.

Like the musicians of musicians play metal. what I've always said. Yeah. You know? Some of the best guitarists in all genres of metal. They're all genres of music. Yeah.

Or metal. Some of the best drummers of all time are in the genre of metal. Yeah. Some of the best bass players, no one's heard of. So let's skip that. And obviously,

some of the best vocalists. It's true. You know? What are some of your favorite, like, guitar players and bands? Oh, yeah. The guy that's like, or the one's like,

that sounds like us. Yeah, Garza. That sounds like Sue of the song. Garza is one of my favorites. No, I like Garza. Tosin. I had Tosin.

A bossy on my podcast. Oh, Ripper, dude. My goodness. That's so funny. And we've got, I mean, all the guys in Guar are amazing. We've just played with so many amazing musicians over. years.

I'm constantly just like, it honestly, it changed my answer. It was Joe from our band, Diamond Joe. The other day, he like wouldn't let me sleep

on the bus. So now it's Alex. Okay, yeah. And if Alex lets me sleep on the band, my answer is Alex. Okay. And then I think my favorite drummer is

ours, our drummer, Eric. Of course. favorite vocalist probably me and Dickie I think probably top top two like me

yeah him and then I don't know keyboard probably saying Raptor are keyboarders and then top five albums off the top of my head probably ours ours ours

and the one we're going to put it out now you guys have five records out currently I think we have a couple more than that but you EPs and all that stuff. Oh, yeah. The EPs, yeah. Yeah. So those are probably my favorite album.

I don't know. Favorite band? Gosh. Do you have a favorite band? God, I was like, either got to be POD or us. So I think it's probably us. Yeah.

I mean, just like the two just off the top of my head. But that's a tough, a tough one. Yeah. Dude, P. P.O.D, their first record is fucking sick, dude. I'll say this.

Of all the weird genres of metal, and you've really helped with this, I feel like. Do you feel like new metal gets a really bad rap because it had rap? It did it for a long time. It did for a really long time. Now it's definitely been more accepting and accepted amongst. Just metal heads and average people.

Why do you think it was getting a bad rap? I don't know. People are just haters. Humans are haters. They're trolls. You're getting influenced by trolls. You see what's happening. Humans are trolls.

You see what's happening. Yeah. I see it. Yeah. They're all around us. They're underneath. They're... Humans are trolls.

They're all over the place, man. You're right. Actually, humans are trolls. Yeah. Interesting. Yep. That's weird. They've gotten involved in record companies now.

They, I mean, they're everywhere. Is that the lizard people theory? Oh, lizard people are different. Oh, okay. I fuck with the lizard people. They are so fun. Yeah. Oh, man, they know how to party.

I went to some sewer party the other day with some lizard people. some turtle people so fun so fun turtle people oh yeah yeah yeah like the ninja turtles oh yeah I

I know them yeah oh wow yeah everyone's like oh Michaelangelo's the party you're like no dude Donatella will cook you up some stuff that'll have you wasn't for days man

Donnie is the man yeah Mikey's fine but he's just you know he'll party and then pass out like really quickly you know did you see that

first movie. Oh yeah, I love that movie. That's my favorite movie. Really? Original Turtles, yeah. They actually just celebrate, I think it was 35 years. It's coming out in the theaters. Yeah, it was on. Do you want to go? Yeah, literally like, yeah, let's go together. Let's go together. Let's go, yeah. Oh, man, I bet I get it's

backstage passes to meet him. I'll text them. I'll see what they're doing. Well, I will be honored. Yeah, they're really fun, man. They're really fun. I mean, Leonardo's a little bit of like a stick in the bud. You know, he could be a little like, no, you got to do it. It's like, all right. mom.

Yeah, yeah. Let us party, dude. Order another pizza. Let's hang. But it's super funny. And man, talk about beggars. That soundtrack? Oh, yeah.

Don't sleep on that soundtrack. It's a great soundtrack. It's fucking, there's something about those late 80s, 90, 91. Something about those soundtracks and songs and those movies. Yeah. That's a riff, dude. Yeah. That's a riff.

Like, who wrote that Prince? You know, that, that slays. Oh, yeah, John Dupres. Yeah, literally all of August. Yeah, I saw this was in theaters. And they just stopped showing it like last week. But I know there's like a few towns around here that are still showing it. I can if I text them, they'll put together a little private screen.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. We'll find all my green friends. We're all in a text thread together. Oh, yeah? Yeah, it's called the Green Party. I think we're. Yeah.

Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Kermits on. Kermit's, oh, that's my boy, Kirby. I heard Kermit's a fucking pervert. No, dude. Kermit is fine. It's, it's his girlfriend. Oh.

That's why I got my beat, my pork with. Oh, yeah, of course. Miss Picky. Yeah. She's just toxic, dude. You know, I'll, I'll say that. She's somebody I don't mind bashing on podcast. Yeah.

Because honestly, I just think they're just two people that should not beat together, you know? Understandable. Yeah. But I love Kermit. he's a good dude uh i can hook you up with the gridge if you ever want to have him on your podcast or shrek or anybody like that i could i could i could put in some calls also full on like

club oh yeah we got to sit together creatures of color you know yeah yeah yeah be kind go be kind be green yeah i think so i mean trekk is little fat well he's you know clearly on the spectrum but he's a very nice guy Very nice guy. I've never met Donkey, though, but really, I mean, here's the thing. I would eventually like to create like a supergroup. Yeah. You know, where it's all like a bunch of just green musicians.

I really would think that would be really excited to tour with. Yeah. Yeah. That would be a big tour. I think so. I mean, there's all kinds of things touring now, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

I think this should be, oh, Elfaba. There she is. Yep. I tell you this. Me and her, we were so cool when she did her first movie way back in the day. Yeah. She puts this thing out. All of a sudden, she just won't answer my text.

Ghosted you. Yeah. Wow. Yep. It's like her texts were green. And now they went to red, which I didn't even know that could happen. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Oh, who's that? Who's that? Oh, yeah. Who is that? What? Oh, she's wearing green? face. Okay, let's not show that. Let's blur it. Let's blur it. Um, blur it and then find out her email address for me. Okay. What, how did you, uh, how did you get into music? I mean,

some of the things were like, I didn't even, music found me. I'm gonna sound like a real artist, you know, but it honestly was, man. I was working a desk job. I got approached by the band. And they were like, we want to make a documentary about your life and score it. And I said, Okay. So you were listening to nothing. Well, I was a fan of Necromicon. I would go to their show. That's it?

I'm just kind of like a fan out, you know. Wow. I was a fan, you know, Goblin Island happened without me. I was just a fan of that music. Wow. And then they approached me. I said, I know you guys are. There's not a lot of people writing music about us, you know, so I was interested.

Of course. There it is. That thing still rips. And they asked me, I said, yeah, I'll be a part of this documentary. And then next thing I know, I'm just like, I'm in Germany. Yeah. I'm just playing PowerCore on stage. And it's been a wild ride.

I mean, how long have you been playing music? I don't know. It's 2002. Yeah. Oh, my God. I keep forgetting 12.22, yeah, over 23 years. Wow. It's weird.

For you, Garza. It's weird. What's the highlight? 23 years. the highlight besides today what's been the highlight no John no joke that this is this is my highlight I get to sit down with people I want to sit down with and just talk with them hang out it's kind of it's I always I always say this to people it's weird that it's me what do you mean it's where I don't I wouldn't imagine it would be me doing this I would never thought I would have a podcast and

talking to you John or my favorite artist jamming with them it's crazy guys let me tell you something yeah okay yeah yeah Something I notice about you. Okay. Okay. I'm seeing a little self-doubt in there, Garza. Let me tell you something. A little bit.

Let me tell you something, Garza. Yeah. I don't listen to a lot of other podcasts. Okay? Yeah. I listen to your podcast. Oh, wow. You're a great interviewer.

You're a great musician. Appreciate that, John. You bring other great metal musicians. You shed light on them. You ask some good questions about their guitars and their riffs and their dittal eddies and you do that. Okay. And it's a grind. I know it.

I don't do any of the work. I make Josh do it all, but I can tell that you do some of the work, and Jerry does most of the work as he should. Yes. And let me just say something, man. It's not easy. No, it's not. It's crazy.

And let me just tell you what's going to really help with that self-doubt. Yeah. Three cases of Jack Daniels. I know. I'm just saying, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, you don't have any of that self-down. You just listen to me. Just, just, just, just, just try it.

Just, just, just say it. Just, just say it. If I could sing one message, it's just that one. It's just, if I did, if I drink a handle a jack, this podcast would literally fall apart. And that could be fun. That could be fun. I mean, that's my podcast falls apart all the time. And people actually like it for some reason when it does that.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm on my phone. I keep seeing your shit pop up. So, so your producer is doing his job. I wouldn't, I wouldn't credit our producer for that. I would know.

No, I think. That guy said to get really big. No, a part of the part of handling your ego is you got to good credit to people that help you, John. You're right. Yeah. All right. I want to take a moment to think the one guy that honestly, I don't think our podcast would be able to exist without him. And as hard as it is for me to say, he's kind of also the reason I get up every morning and.

He's, I don't know, probably why all the fans actually tuned in. Me, John GobbleCon. And you go to John GobbleCon.com. To buy all my new merch, which has got me all over it, then see me as the front person of Necogamacod all over the place. So what was I talking about? We're talking about handling your ego, but I think that's a lost cause. Next.

Lost. No problem. Lost cause. What's the hardest part for you? What's the hardest part being in Goblin? That's probably one of my last questions. Thank you. I think it's misconception. Okay.

You know, like I was at Starbucks before. I've been a drunk, you think? I don't really think it's the drinking. No? Okay. No. I don't think it's a smell. I just think it's like, like, for example, I was at Starbucks.

I'm just waiting and lie. And in front of me, there was this woman and her little girl. Yeah. And the way the mom turned around and looked at me. Yeah. Was like she saw a ghost. Yeah. Just because I had her daughter in my mouth.

And it was like, what are you looking at me? It was like, I had her like this. And you would have thought she was like, you know, stepped in and saw the boogeyman. And it was just like, lady, I'm a goblin. Let's get past that. Yeah. I'm here. Okay.

I'm amongst you. No reason to be. scared. It's a different culture. Yeah. It's a different. I think people put those things on me. And I don't want those on me. Yeah. I just want to be

looked at as a musician who was the best to ever do it. Yeah. And you know, also had the number one comedy podcast in the world if you choose not to fact check it. Yeah.

who wrote books, who just tried to be a good, good goblin. You know what I mean? I think that's pretty reasonable. It is. I think it's pretty reasonable, you know. So, just, if you run into a goblin, just give a hug.

You know, instead of going, whoa, oh, you know, instead of calling animal control, which is like their go-to move, just give us a shot. Say, hey, goblin, how is you? your dick. I try and communicate with them. Yeah. Don't act like a troll. Wow. Don't

act like a troll. Yeah. You know what the crazy thing about trolls, John? Do you ever see them out in public? I mean, not in the daytime. They hate being around in the daytime. I'll tell you that. But I don't see a lot

out in public anymore. I feel like now they're mostly relegated to dark places and behind a keyboard. So it's where it's where you never see them. So they're hiding. Yeah. And I've tried.

I said, you know, I've asked them. I said, hey, I'd love to meet. I'd love to talk this out. Let's just see if we could have a little conversation. No.

They don't want it. No. They're afraid of the truth. I think is what it is. I think so? Yeah. I think they are afraid of feeling. Okay.

You know? Yeah. I think it's them. Yeah. That's afraid of feeling. feeling. Not me? I'm my feelings,

Nick. What's your, anything that we, anything, John, that we might have missed about you, about your,

about your history, about, about your band, that, that you want the world to know, especially since now we've established that there's a misconception

in the world about goblins. There's anything that we might have missed that you want out there. I just feel like, the best way to know us and to understand us is to come to our shows. I feel like everyone that comes and sees Necro Goblicod or comes to one of my comedy shows, they leave a goblin.

There's no way you can't. It's like our music just works through them. It brings out their ears and their greed. And they leave having the best time. Our shows are so fun. I'm having a good time. They're having a good time. everyone involved is having a great time.

I mean, you guys just got to come experience it. Yeah. And I think that's the best way to change preconceived notions. Yeah. It's to go experience the thing you're afraid of. Yeah. True. But I'm not going to do that with feelings or anything like that.

No, I'm not. No, no. No, no. You're going to start like, stop drinking. It's like, no, no, no. But yeah. So, yeah. Other than that, that.

That. that okay yeah so uh john where can people find you what do we what do we want people to go uh go to at the real john goblacod on instagram that's me and of course follow my band at necrogobblican and subscribe to our youtube channel necrogobble con's youtube channel uh that's where you'll find all of our stuff that's where you can find music comedy podcasts uh funny little skits i'm doing with other comedians and promos and our dates and merchandise and I mean

we're everywhere we're just gonna literally just we're gonna offer like food I feel like you know probably massage I'm definitely opening up a chiropractor place you should so I mean we're talking about Halloween earlier

I mean you should have some some costumes or a mask or something I just feel like dressing up just feels a little cheap but if you want to do it's totally fine sure I mean I may just like wear like cat ears or something like that

that would be kind of cute Yeah I guess like I mean like like a big outfit or something I make you know what I've never gone as a human before And everyone's always going as goblins every other It's like yeah How do you feel Willem Defoe

Like what if I'm just Willem Defoe this This Halloween see how he likes it Yeah portraying my people Willem de fuck You know it's like I want to know If he? Yeah, yeah.

On Spider-Man, he was so awesome. Oh, that's what you think. I think he had all terrible John portraying us. We don't laugh like that. We don't have an aversion for pumpkins. None of that stuff is real. Oh, shit, John forgot. He was the Green Goblin.

I forgot about that. How did I remember that? That's what I mean to be this Halloween. I'm going to be Willem Defoe, who looks more like a goblin out of the mask than he does. It's a mask. Holy shit, John. Oh, my goodness.

I mean, look at him. Why they even put makeup? I never once thought about that until you said it. Wow. Look at his teeth. I can't. I can't unsee it now. I can't unsee that.

I mean, look at that, like, look at this photo down here. Oh my God. Like, take the mask off. I understand why they cast him out. You know, I take it back. He did an amazing job. That's pretty good. When is, when that movie come out?

Really? I think, was that, was that the movie that maybe started your music career? I guess so. Same year. It could have been the same year. Holy shit, 2002. Wow, what a fucking year. That's Goblin Magic.

That's what I just did there. It's Goblin Magic. Yeah. John, I appreciate you making the drive to a hang out. I mean, thank you so much for having me, Garza. I really appreciate it. Anytime, man. Yeah, I mean, this was so fun.

And Jerry, you're all right, pal. You're all right. You're all right, you're right, you're right, you. I mean, nothing messed up. I couldn't believe it. We did a whole podcast. And you recorded? I don't think we recorded it.

I think we're not going to use it. Oh. Yeah, this was like a test because we have a guest later. So they want to do a test. Oh, interesting. Yeah. That's kind of what I do on my podcast. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Oh, so it makes sense. John, honor, man. Honor is all my. Hell yeah. Bye, goblins. All right, everyone. See ya.