Garza Podcast - 198 - REVOCATION | Dave Davidson: Death Metal, Jackson Guitars & New Album

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

Garza sits down in-person with Dave Davidson. Vocalist, guitar player & founder of death metal band REVOCATION. New album “New Gods, New Masters” out September 26th! https://linktr.ee/revocationofficialSPONSORS:Sweetwater - https://imp.i114863.net/rnrmVBDistroKid - https://distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF!00:00 - New Album02:52 - Aerosmith08:22 - Boston Latin School/Art School14:12 - Attending/Teaching at Berklee15:20 - Karate & Childhood Hobbies17:56 - Boston Accent20:01 - Playing Jazz Guitar24:35 - Wes Montgomery25:57 - Expensive Vintage Guitars35:17 - Jackson Warriors46:46 - Riff: Warm Up Riffs53:39 - Riff: Cronenberged & Gallop Picking1:00:02 - Favorite Revocation Riffs1:04:17 - Dave’s Morning Routine1:05:43 - Meditation1:08:29 - Jogging/Exercising1:11:06 - Intro to Jazz Chords1:21:27 - Dave Breaking His Wrist1:24:31 - Illinois Tornado Incident1:32:06 - Top 5 Movies1:34:30 - Jazz // Counter Culture1:36:30 - Miles Davis1:42:33 - Riff: Freestyle Jam1:45:08 - Best Guitar/Kicks Combo1:46:15 - Gorguts & Pallid Veil1:52:21 - Carlo’s in Boston

No, I don't care. Okay. I don't care. We're just going to start talking about something deep and then like when I'm not like... Oh, perfect, dude. I've had every scenario thrown in front of me so far, dude. Oh, my goodness. Next question.

Next question. Next question. David. Davidson, thank you for being here, man. Thank you, man. Are we starting? Yes. I hell yeah.

I think it's going. Let's just jump in. It's, uh, I asked you earlier. So do you prefer David or do you prefer Dave? Dave's good, yeah, but David's fine, you know? Okay. Some people call me David, but Dave's, Dave's more like, you know, one less syllable, more aerodynamic, you know? Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Dave. Dave? Yeah. Okay, then. Yeah. But sometimes people, you know, will call me like, you know, double D or, you know, D.D and stuff like that.

Oh, fuck. You know. Okay. Yeah. That's awesome, man. Okay. So, again, thank you for being here, man. Appreciate it.

You guys are dropping a new record. Yes. September 26th. Yep. New guys, new masters. And I did it on purpose just for you, dude, because I have a bad habit where we'll talk for an hour 45 and I won't even mention the record. So let's just do it now. Get the plug out front.

I always forget, dude, I'm the worst at that. And it's actually like my, it's my freaking job. So I just want to get it. Okay, boom, the front new record. And we'll do it at the end, too. Perfect, yeah. How's it feeling, man? It feels great, man.

I mean, it's just, this whole week's been cool. You know, I'm out in L.A. A twisted metal blades arm to bring me out and do some press so I can hang with the homies like yourself. Yeah, it just feels very exciting. I mean, you know how it goes. Whenever you're putting out a record, there's the buzz, the excitement. It's oftentimes music you've been sitting on for a long time,

and it's just kind of like vinyl plants or whatever. There's a schedule. So, I mean, this shit's like old to me already. But it's new to everybody. Yeah, for us, it's old record. Right. Hey, hey, talk, hey, let's talk about old record. Right, right.

Totally. It's true. It's like, man, this is, I'm tired of hearing these freaking songs, dude. And no one's even heard of, yeah. No one's even, even heard of it, yeah, man. I'm trying to, I was actually thinking today, like this morning, man, man, man, what's like the,

I think I'd figure out, like, the vinyl stuff, dude. Because they kind of, I remember our past two has been like, like, even pushes the date, further back, you're like, I'm playing the same fucking rip, dude, for like two years, man. I don't count even when you're listening to the mixes over and over again and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, but by the time someone else has heard it, like I've heard these songs like a thousand times.

Yeah. It's crazy. All right, Dave, so 10 years old. Yeah. Joe Perry, Les Paul. Yep. And that's what that's her first introduction to the instrument, correct? Yeah, I think I was like maybe like around 12 and I was watching like the aerosmith video for falling in love is hard in the knee.

It was back when like MTV was the thing And they actually used to play like music videos on there and shit And uh, you know I was just like It popped on Joe Perry like kicked into this like Sick ass There's a video right here right you know just And it's like a weird kind of

Almost like Oh Kind of nine inch nails inspired kind of video It's like a little bit weird Like there's some subversive things happening And like you know Kind of gothy in the smoke Yeah they're just like

ripping. What is it? Is this like some like bondage stuff? I know it's kind of you know it almost has like uh I mean this probably came out I forget when but it had to be like in the 90s at some point so okay so be honest to everyone listening watching do you so you watch this yeah I want I want to play guitar yeah and I'm also horny did you just because there's like some weird shit going on right yeah this this explains a lot yeah so all right and first first boner you have It might have came, you know, right around this time, you know, who knows.

And then you, and then you asked. And OG ringlight there. See that? That was maybe the first instance of a ringlight ever, maybe. Is that a ringlight? I think so, right? Is that a ring light? Vince would know.

Dude, Aerosmith would be the first. Right. You know. There's innovators. The innovators. No one talks about, I mean, there's so many guitar players. You've been, man, sometimes, like, someone says a name. I'm like, Joe Perry is, like, literally one of, like, he's just a king riff writer.

Oh, yeah. like yeah and Brad Whitford too unsung hero Brad Whitford the other rhythm guitar player yep just great great musicians um I met I met their bass player I don't know how much you want me to jump around here with my my love of Arrowsmith again I tell everyone this is the place to do all that okay you're literally at the place to do it so so Arrowsmith that was like what got me into playing guitar I saw the video Joe Perry's ripping the solo with the smoke and then I just went fully into just like aerosmith obsession for like quite a long time I still think Arrowsmith fucking rock like They just put out bangers, toys is a great record.

Yeah. Anyway, so many fucking awesome albums throughout their whole career, pump, fucking, get a grip. Anyway, creative riffs. So I'm like in the throes of my absolute like, Aerosmith like fandom. And I'm on Cape Cod, which is like, I don't know, it's maybe like an hour and a half outside of Boston.

It's like kind of like a beach kind of community. It's like it's own those separate island. It's almost like Martha's Vineyard or something. that. So my grandparents had like a little condo out there. So every single summer we'd go to the Cape, we'd spend our summers on the beach and shit like that. And there was the Cape Codd Mall. And you know, you'd fucking go and I don't know, you're just a kid. So you're like stoked to eat fucking, you know, go at like Orange Julius or something like that. And it's like a little outing. So yeah, I see fucking Tom Hamilton, the bass player of Aerosmith. And I like stalked him

like a lion stalking a gazelle throughout the whole entire mall. I must have been like 13 or something. You were? You know. Of course you were stalking. Yeah, and I was just so, like, I was like shaking. Like, I didn't know, like, what to say. And you knew he was him. It's like, that's the bass player of Aerosmith. Oh, yeah.

And nobody knows. Right, right, right. I mean, he's famous, but he's, you know, Stephen Tyler, I feel like, you know, or even Joe Perry. But Stephen Tyler is kind of the real face of the band or whatever, right? So anyway, like to me, though, is, you know, I feel like everyone should know who fucking Tom Hamilton is. God damn, you know, he's the damn bass player of Aerosmith. So anyway, go up to him, and I'm like, Tom. Tom

I maybe called him Mr. Hamilton or I might have just I think I meant I just said like you're Tom Hamilton and like you know he stopped what he was doing he was like yeah man

like he held his out to like shake my hand and he was just so fucking cool just nice we didn't have like a long interaction but it just made me feel oh wow great you know and I was like wow

and I was like I'm never washing his hand again kind of thing yeah and years later his son is like into like super extreme metal

and I would like see him at shows I actually ended up teaching him like a couple of guitar lessons and then like I would see like Tom Hamilton like at like a fucking Absoo show like just underground like black metal or whatever

because his kid was into it and like random yeah and then like at that point I was like of drinking age and like Tom's like yeah you want me to buy a drink man and like shit like that so it was like this weird full circle thing yeah I even told him I was like Tom I met you like in a mall when I was like 13

this is just such a trip for me and he's like oh cool it's super nice guy, but it was just crazy to like kind of come full circle with that. And then how old are you when you got, when he bought you a drink? I mean, that was probably, I would say maybe like in my early 20s or something like that. So almost like a decade later. Yeah, oh yeah, probably, yeah, at least. That is so random.

Yeah, I know. The metal scene, man, it's strange like that, you know, there's like. That's random. It's just, it's a small scene, but it's a big scene at the same time and you never know kind of like who you're going to run into or like different people that are like, Into it like like fucking Yeah I don't know. It's just crazy. It's weird huh? Yeah So you asked

You asked your mom hey I need a guitar to practice on Yeah yeah yeah and then and then you got it and then you went to You went to arts high school correct? Yeah, yeah so I started off At Boston Latin school which is actually like I think it's the oldest school in the country Really? Yeah it's like an exam school you know like take a test to get in can we find this Is this it? Yeah Yeah 16th Oh wow.

Man, I haven't fucking seen pictures of my old school in forever. Anyway, like my parents really wanted me to go there. Like, they teach you like Latin and shit there. 1635, real quick, where people were just listening. And I totally squandered like the opportunity. Like it's like a theater school for like Harvard and like, you know, all those like really kind of upper echelon like Ivy League schools. Yeah. And I just fucking at that point, I just wanted to play guitar and, you know, smoke weed with my friends and shit like that.

So I think like eighth grade, I got like straight Fs. And I was basically presented with having to repeat eighth grade or there was this arts high school like down the street that we're looking for it was a newer school. And, you know, I auditioned and I like was like, all right, lots riding on this because I'm either going to go on to the ninth grade or I'm going to have to repeat eighth grade. And Boston Arts Academy, they saw, you know, some raw talent there and they accepted me in. I ended up going on to ninth grade and not having to repeat a year. Wait, so is this one school or two schools? This was two schools. So Boston Latin school I essentially like flunked out of.

Yeah. And then Boston Arts Academy. That's what, okay. I was able, it was like an audition-based school. So I auditioned on guitar. They let me in. They allowed me to kind of, uh, they kind of like overlooked my grades. And they were like, we'll give you a chance here.

Did you, did you have to go to the meeting with the counselor and, and your mom? How was that? Because I had a very similar meeting. Yeah, there was some like, you know, suspensions and, you know, things of that nature. Like, yeah, my mom, like, wasn't stoked. But at the same time, like, I think they saw, like, how passionate I was about music. And when they saw that I was able to kind of go on to ninth grade, I think they were like, all right, like, maybe he'll do better at a school where he can play music, like, part of the day kind of thing. Yeah.

Because the Boston Arts Academy was like, as soon as I went there, it was like, I was in, I was learning about jazz, which I had never learned about before. I was in the big band. I was in the guitar ensemble. I had a great teacher who is still one of my closest friends to this day, Colin Sapp, who really taught me, kind of molded me into the guitar player. I am today in a lot of ways. So I owe Colin a debt of gratitude there. So you went to the art school. You went through out of like necessity. So was it a mistake? It was sort of partial necessity. I'm like, clearly this school, like, isn't for me. Yeah. And partially just like, oh, I can play, like, guitar at this, like, it's playing guitar as part of the curriculum at this school. That's what school should be.

Yeah. I mean, even if I was going, like, even if I would have gone on to the ninth grade in Boston Latin school, even if I hadn't, like, basically failed all of eighth grade, I still would have wanted to go. to this school because it's like, yeah, you can play guitar in school. This was fucking incredible. So you have like six periods and then after your six periods, you went over to the art school? Well, the art school, like, everything was all kind of in one. Okay.

So like, usually like our ensembles and stuff were like in the morning, if I remember correctly. And then like you're more, but it also kind of changed up. It was like a scheduling thing. So sometimes you'd have like ensemble like after class or like after school. A lot of the times it was just like during the day. at a certain point because there was like different credits

that you needed to kind of have in music there was a large woodwind department there was a strings department the guitar department was under Collins control but it was still kind of limited

because he was going to school at Berkeley at the same time so there was just certain days of the week where they were like yeah you have like a free period basically and it's just like they just kind of trusted me to like

they just gave me like a private like small rehearsal room And I could just practice guitar for like hour and a half, like literally every single day. Dude, that's sick. I wish I had that. Yeah. They, uh, they, they told me, my counselor told me and my mom that I wasn't going to graduate.

So I, uh, I had the whole day in high school and I, I, I did, uh, night school. Damn. And I had a seventh period. So I had the day that peered after and then had night school. Yeah. And I barely passed. Well, barely. My man, if I, if I had a riff, fucking fucking is a riff for an hour and a half, dude.

Holy crap. It was, I felt, uh, I felt, I felt, um, I felt, Yeah, that's good. That's awesome. And then from there you went to Berkeley, correct? Yep, yeah. Berkeley was sort of right down the street from there. It was like great.

And because it was an arts high school that was publicly funded, it was also kind of like a theater school for all of the arts colleges in Boston. So like there's Berkeley, there's a conservatory. They also had like a drama department at the high school. There was a dance department. So like mass art and Emerson. It was kind of a way of keeping local Boston. creative people like on a path to go to one of the local Boston colleges and kind of keep the

you know the creative scene local and not just have you know people from you know like importing other people like making sure that they um you know took care of the local artists and like kids that like were grinding it out and like the local scene and stuff so it was a nice um it was nice to feel that like you know there like there was colleges that were kind of you know investing in local communities and stuff like that. And by the time I started going to Berkeley, I had already taken like, I mean, every single summer I did the Berkeley summer program. And that was like through the school, through the high school.

And then they basically, through a stipend program, once I graduated high school, literally the next year through Berkeley, I was back teaching at that same high school. So I was like a student one year, graduated and then was teaching like in the music department like the very next year, like while I was going to. What the hell? I knew you were giving lessons, but I don't know what was there. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was also teaching privately here and there, but yeah, it was kind of weird to be, like, student and then faculty or whatever. But, yeah, it was great. I got to teach some great guitar players there, and sometimes they'd put me in, like, kind of sub, like a theory class or, like a different kind of ensemble class here and there. But it was mainly kind of working with the guitar students there.

So are you from Boston proper? Yep. Okay, so like Boston, Boston, not like a neighboring town. You're from, boom, boom. From Boston, yep, born and raised. Okay, born and raised. That's, that's sick. Usually, yeah, it's like a neighboring. Right, yeah, like someone's from, like Western Mass or something like that. Yeah, I was looking like, he's, he's not, he's not from Boston. I'm trying to find something. It was from Boston. Okay, cool. Sick, man. Okay, so, and real, side bar. So you're not really into, uh, you are a guitar player. Like, you're straight up like a guitar, but you, you don't have to be. any hobbies. Yeah. People ask me that.

The only thing you ever done was practice karate when you're a kid, correct? Yeah, I did karate. That's the only thing you've ever done. Yeah, yeah, that was pretty much it. I liked karate, but then it was just guitar, just kind of took over. I mean, you know, I like to cook or whatever. Like, you know, I have some. But yeah, I'm not like, I mean, nowadays, as I'm getting a little bit older, like, you know,

I'll do like a workout or a run. It's like kind of, that becomes sort of part of my routine, but it's not like, I don't know, origami or something like that where I'm doing some of it. I get all my creativity out, like, you know, with music. What you learned taking karate? Some fucking horny kicks or what we? I mean, you know, like, I guess it taught me, like, a certain, like, degree of, like, discipline and stuff. And, um, it's, I think just when you're a kid, you got so much, like, energy and stuff like that,

it's probably good to place it. Of course. Somewhere where it's like you can kind of get that energy out, but you're also learning like some self-defense stuff. I mean, all of that shit. Like I don't remember it all. So I just didn't like stay up with it.

But it was something that I remember I really enjoyed like going to like week after week. Oh, so you actually like enjoy this. Oh yeah, yeah. I like karate a lot. I mean, my parents had me do like all sports. Like I played fucking I was in the little league as a kid. I was on like the Watertown Riverrats like hockey team. You're in the hockey team?

Yeah. I just sucked at all of it. You know, I just, I was not, I just wanted to play guitar. You know, that was kind of my fucking thing. And I feel like once I found that, my parents were like, okay. That was it forever, man. That was pretty much it. Yeah.

It kind of explains it. Like, you, uh, you talk about your schedule. It's like, oh, that's, I mean, that, that could really help you, like, stay out of trouble. Yeah, yeah, you has, you had something to, like, this focus on like, boom, this is it. It makes sense. All day, it seems like. Yeah. I mean, like, my parents, grandparents, like, they,

tried to get me into other things like my my grandfather you know he was really into baseball like he would take me to fenway park yeah and you know it'd be in the stands and like like like six endings in i'd be like grandpa like i'm bored like can we can you're a family park and i'm fucking bored seriously you know like i mean nowadays like i can't even drink right yeah i'm seven i can't drink this sucks um but nowadays like i'll do something like that if it's like going with a group it's like kind of something to do yeah and uh i think i maybe i can appreciate it like a little bit or even just for the fact that like, I mean, just looking at Fenway Park now on the screen there. It's legendary.

It's legendary. Legendary baseball players. Yeah. I mean, the green monster right over there, dude. My Boston accent's coming up. Oh, yeah. I was going to ask you that. I'm like, he's from Boston, but I don't, I don't hear the accent.

It's interesting. A lot of the Boston accent I find comes from more suburban areas. Okay. Because when you think about it, like Boston being a city and it being lots of colleges there, It's kind of a transient city. People kind of come and go. Like lots of students. People come from out of town

and get, like, jobs. So it kind of, I'm sure, you know, 50 years ago, everyone had the Boston accent. But like growing up there, like my parents have a Boston accent, but I was around so many different, like, people growing up in the city

that it didn't really stick too much. But I can fucking turn it on and off if I need to. Okay. If you put a Dunkin' Donuts right here. Donuts, donuts will change, just change your business.

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There's two. There's people, there's guitar players that don't listen to jazz or classical. And the guitar players that do. Yeah. And you're one of them. You got really into jazz and classical. Yeah, I don't play classical at all, but I love listening to classical music and classical guitar, I think, is incredible. It's just, that's a whole other world. Talk about, you know, there's only so many hours in the day. Like, I mean, classical guitar players are just, like, grinding it out, like, eight hours a day a lot of times. But same thing with jazz. Like, there's just so much dedication to play that genre. And yeah, I love it. I think certainly being at Boston Arts Academy, learning to play that style in some, like, of my formative year. I wish I started earlier

because it's like it's a lot and it's such a language that I feel like people start playing it when they're like five it's they're able to soak it up more than like I mean I was probably 13 when I started

but so I kind of feel like I was like behind a little bit even though I started young but yeah yeah it's it's a wonderful style of music I like that it's very much like always it's it's

compositionally adventurous it's technique driven I love the history behind it. It's so fascinating. And it's just a genre of music where it's about the music for music sake. And I think it's one of the few genres out there, sort of like classical,

where oftentimes it's not kind of like perverted by sort of outside influences. And, you know, it's not like... Interesting. You're like a lot of people are just kind of in it for just like the love of the game. And like they just love the music. I've seen some of the best players

in the world play in front of like, 10 people. Yeah, that's, uh, isn't that like the butt of like jokes? Right. It's like, uh, yeah, jazz musician will play a thousand chords in front of five people, a rock guitar player will play five chords in front of a thousand people or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So they, they, they, you have to love it. Yeah. You just have to freaking love it, dude. So, so, so you walk into, to our school, you're, you're introduced to, uh, to jazz. But I was like, because I'm not like a, I'm not like a jazz guy at all. So what, what are like the, so, so you're getting into theory. What are like the, what are like the,

What's one of the first things they start to teach you? Do you remember like the first riff that they were like trying to teach you like a jazz riff? I can't remember. I think like one of the songs that we learned like way back in the day was like maybe like St. Thomas or something like that, which is like not my favorite jazz song, but it's kind of like an easy song to play in like a larger ensemble. Like I was I was in sort of two different ensembles there. One was like the big band, which is like not guitar driven at all. Like there was like a whole horn.

section and piano and the big band yeah it's a big band yeah um so it's really more kind of about um big boy it's really more about the guitar is kind of taking a kind of backseat role maybe maybe you get a solo here and there on a particular tune but it's it's it's it's more about kind of laying it down um but i was also in the guitar ensemble and the guitar ensemble it was four guitar players and we were again i'd never knew anything about jazz before but uh my teacher was like it was like sink or swim so He was... Didn't you have to learn on solos,

known for a knowing you guys had to play together a solo? Literally. So it was like West Montgomery

who was you know still like to me one of the greatest jazz guitar players who ever lived like he's just a timeless just a timeless

musician and played all with his thumb but he was like burning. So it was like hard, hard shit to play and there we go there's Wes right there and then we played

a Pat Martino solo for the the song, uh, uh, just friends off his record, El Hambre.

Oh, what's that amp? Uh, I guess going through like an old Fender, maybe, I can't,

what amp is that? I mean, that's, if you're just listening, uh, yeah, Wes is playing out of a, it's a combo part,

like, like, like a 112 or a, uh, maybe, yeah, my, 12,

um, it, it, maybe it looks a little, it could be 212, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's a 112. AJ,

can you crank it for like eight seconds? Yeah, What's he playing here? Oh, this is a jazz standard. Here's that rainy day. But yeah, all thumb. All thumb. Yeah.

Wow. And this is straight up jazz for people that don't know. This is jazz. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Wes is one of the most famous jazz guitar players of all time. I mean, there's videos of him really like cooking and stuff like that too. Like there he was kind of playing more sort of ballad style. Oh, Wes, he can cook.

Oh, yeah. Standle, Custom. What is that? I don't even, I probably don't even make those anymore. Standle, the custom. I never seen or heard of this amp in my life. Oh, he's even,

never really found the amp that sounded quite like that he's saying. Was it like just like an off brand or something? Could be. What was the year? Two channels, normal and reverb. 1965. 65, okay.

JBL speaker. Yeah, JBL was kind of like the king. Back then, yeah. back then they're putting I mean the Fender got the speakers from them yeah and then the 175 oh Gibson

yeah hollow body what was the year you think oh I mean that had to be you know sometime in the 19 1960s or earlier a 50s Gibson oh oh for his guitar

yeah probably 50s dude how much you think that I'll be worth today I mean especially if it's owned by Wes I mean it's probably just being a museum A priceless. Yeah. Like a real priceless.

Well, actually not too bad. Gibson, 1959, $3,900, $600. But all these are reissues, though. Oh, are they? Yeah. Well, I mean, maybe that one in the over-tribal. You're right. Yeah. So it's reissue.

Yeah. But the pre-owned, like, you can kind of tell by the tailpiece on that. That might be coming from a different era. I like tail pieces. Yeah. Now, what's the year on that? 60 years of age. That's actually a great price.

I mean, who knows if it's all original or not? 60 years of age. Who puts that? Let's put the fucking year, man. 60 years ago. 1964. 64, okay. I've always wanted to own a guitar from like the 60.

I've always wanted like a 60 strat. Oh, yeah. But those prices are fucking, I mean, It's outrageous. I got a good deal on it. So I have a 69 ES335, which is a semi-hollow Gibson, like from the, really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

From the Kalamazoo shop. So, like, Gibson transferred over. I think they started just building guitars exclusively, like, in Tennessee, I want to say. But the original shop was in, like, Kalamazoo, Michigan. So, like, you'll see the sticker, like, on the inside, you know, it'll be worn looking. And I was at Chicago Music Exchange. Yeah. And I was in the market for a jazz guitar.

And I'm like, I really want to. 335 and they they they they just it's not even like these are behind glass like these are just like you can just pick them up so I've got jamming them so I played a 67 and a 69 the 67 you know technically is obviously it's older but it's you know worth more you know but the 69 just played better for me

and um went with that and one of the guys who was ringing me out like you know he recognized me or whatever was a you know metal fan and he's like dude like what are you picking up I'm like I'm getting the 69 he's 335 he's like you want to see like the real crazy shit we got And I'm like, this is crazy. Like you can't fucking find this anywhere.

It's like, I'll take you to the vault. Oh, the vault? So he brought me like, like to the offices, like through this like staircase or whatever. Like they don't like allow, you know, customers back there. But like he was kind of showing me around put a, I think it was, it must have been like a 59 less Paul. Oh wow. Like like all original cherry burst like mint condition. Mint?

Yeah. I'm playing it. He's like, that's like you're holding like a house right now. I mean, it was half a million dollars easily. Oh, my God. Half a million. Yeah, yep. And dude, a lot of, a lot of times, when I think of Les Paul's, like newer ones, like, they're kind of like pretty heavy.

Yeah. This thing was like lighter than air. It was the lightest Les Paul I've ever felt. I wonder what the wood was. I mean, it must have been alder, but I think it was just like that wood from maybe back in the day, maybe it dried out that much more. Or maybe it was just like just a different, you know, cut of wood from a different type of tree. Maybe the older of the wood, the lighter it is. I don't know.

But it was super light, which kind of struck me. And then he had other shit that it was like, you know, you can take a picture with this one, but like you can play some stuff. But like you can't take photos with it because it's like just you touching it will like devalue. Devalue. It was like shit like fucking John Lennon owned and stuff like that like crazy shit. Yeah, yeah. You literally held a house before. Yeah.

Just I played a house. I always wonder my, who's, who's, who's? Who's buying these? Man. I mean, so, like, I think the... Do they just, like, collect them until they just wait until someone has walks in and and, hey, I want this certain year. Hey, we got it in it back.

Yeah, I think it's oftentimes going to, like, investment bankers and, like, you know, just, like, super wealthy dudes that are, like, buying it for a flex. You know, they're not really making music with it necessarily. Or maybe they're kind of jamming on it here and there. But it's more like, yeah, this is my collection of, you know, 1950s, less pauls. I keep them, you know, next to my... wine collection and you know blah blah blah and it's almost it's probably like the equivalent of like an investment for them as well like maybe they play it a little bit and maybe it's just like a place to park their fucking money and give them a little flex it's like if you're into crazy fucking like watches like rolexes and fucking apes and shit like that like you buy those if you're like a hedge fund guy that like always wanted to be a guitar player and like didn't quite get the chance to do that you buy fucking 59 Les Paul is and hang him in your home office and, you know,

man, I'm worried you. Dude, did people have paid that much money with you? I would play it? I mean, who knows? Maybe they play it. Maybe they got like a garage band and shit like that, but, uh, yeah, I mean, I would, I would love to hear, I would love to put those guitars, like, in the hands of, like. Someone who's going to use it.

Yeah, you know, like real players that are going to go out there and do it. But, you know, hey, at the end of the day, uh, as long as someone's taking care of the instrument and keeping the history of it alive how to play it played great oh yeah it's the fucking history i mean part of it's like i didn't want to drink the kool-aid i kind of wanted to like hate it because i'm like i did the same thing like it's so expensive but then i'm playing it i'm like damn this thing is the sickest last fall i've ever played like ever so yeah i was like uh i was like what what's like the big deal about like you know uh like benches like uh strats then one day I went to Normans,

Norman's rare guitars in Burbank. And they had like, you know, 80s around there, the 90s, 80s, 70s, but they're hanging up. Yeah. But I went there wanting to not like it. You know, what's the fucking big deal? Yeah.

Grab their fucking 80s strat. I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah. I want one. Yep. Damn, and I want one. I had them make me a custom, like, like a tobacco burst strat,

like the fender, like, You know, Mike? Oh, yeah, of course. Oh, yeah, yeah, a total homie of mine. Shout out, Mike. Yeah, shout out Mike. And, yeah, I was like, I need to get hooked up with a custom shop.

And, you know, he gave me, like, a really great deal on it. And that guitar, to me, it's like, it feels like those vintage guitars. It just master built. And I've played some vintage strats before, and I don't know, there's sometimes you just get a guitar. It's just got some fucking mojo. Sometimes it this lines up For some reason it works Yep

And this guitar It didn't have the 1960 strat price tag attached to it But like it It felt like that same level of That quality So sometimes you know Just having a good modern built guitar

That's like built with care Oh sure You know play just as good as some of the old shit Those match builders love it They are every little every little fucking detail man oh is that the uh is that the strat you have with the white pickard and uh and the black one no so that's kind of like a little bit of like a anomaly um that's a jackson strat oh okay yeah yeah so i have like another band um called gargoyle which is like my my uh my rock

band and i mean i love playing the warriors but i also try to think about what is the aesthetic of the different bands that I'm a part of and I'm like just isn't quite the vibe for like this kind of weird rock band that I have so yeah that was one of those things where I'm like I want to play Jackson's for this band Mike

but I kind of also wanted to have a strat look yeah so he kind of twists his arm a little bit and you know he made me a butterscotch Jackson Telly and a Jackson Strat so I don't know if they're they can keep doing that but there we go Scotch. Yeah, that thing is also so sick.

It's just funny to see a Jackson logo on a Strat headstock, I feel like. It's like this weird, like Twilight Zone alternate universe or something like that. But play is great. That was actually a guitar from, that was like a Frankenstrat that, this studio that I was at recording the first Gargle record had. That was actually what inspired that other strat because that one had a humbucker pickup. And I'm like, oh, this is kind of cool. like I like like I dig this so I had him do like the that strat head of a humbucker and yeah have you been to the spot in Corona yeah yeah it's been a minute though um yeah I actually might hit up mic

over the weekend and see if I can roll by we uh we should do win today yeah I know right yeah I live down the street oh fuck it's like right it's like right there boom yeah those those lines get kind of blurred with uh with vendors and jacks and uh and uh Gretches yeah it's like it's kind of like it's most of the same building so yeah but i wonder where would they make the uh ebhs oh that thing's sick oh you know what that's a different that's a different that's a different guy named davidson that's not mine oh i was just looking at it like oh i was like damn that's sick i kind of looks like i kind of got lost for a minute no apparently there's some guy named david david like so well-strung guitars is out i'm sorry dude i'm sorry dude i fucked up i fucked up it's funny though right uh

That's my, that's my, uh, 335. Okay. Yeah. It's just your, some of the twin, some of evil twin or something, no? Yeah. Yeah. That one's me. Yeah.

That one's me. Do we, do we, well, we got to talk about the Jackson, man. Yeah, man. Is the, uh, is that paint job, uh, desert yellow? Um, so, I think they're calling it like, like, Ferrari yellow. Oh, Ferrari yellow. Yeah. Yeah.

Has that, like, so for, for a while, like, my first few iterations of Jackson's, you can kind of see there, like, I went with, like, more of a natural wood girl. and we did that for quite a few years. And then I don't know, I just kind of one day I'm like, I just want to go fucking loud as hell. Like guitar shape is already pretty loud. So I wanted to kind of tame it with more of a classy wood grain look. Sure. And then, yeah, I was just like, you know what?

I'm just going to fully lean in to fucking old, like, it's not even just like 80s hair metal. Like there was that time like in the 90s when like, I mean, like, Trey from Morbid Angel. Like he always had those iron birds with like the crazy red color like the dude from nocturias would have like crazy colored Kind of almost like 80 shred guitars but like death metal dudes were playing him Yeah so I'm like I want to kind of go back to yeah like look at that like an electric blue Slime greens and stuff is that why you did is that why you did the red first? Trey uh so the the red warrior I was really into like one of my favorite guitar players at all time Dan Mon Gray and he plays in Voivod now

but at the time he was playing in like a super technical death metal band from Montreal called Martyr and he was playing like a red Red Warrior with like a slant pickup and it was just like just super fucking sick and I remember being like a kid like high school and like oh my God like I need to play a warrior

so I started I started playing Warriors because of Dan now he does like custom builders and stuff like that So it's like kind of warrior style shapes, but yeah. Did you do, you did like a wood grain, right? Yeah, yeah, I did a few wood grain. A dark, dark, dark. I did like kind of a charcoal stain, which was like pretty much like pitch black.

Yeah, hopefully we could find it. Yeah, I'm sure you can. If you probably look at W. If you probably look at W.R.7 like charcoal, I will come up. This was the pro series one, which came out cool. but the wood grain This is like a ash top The

The OG Like USA ones were like Solid piece of ash I'm not sure Actually you could see it right Maybe there if you go all the way over Yeah right there Not that one

Yeah that's the one right there I'm pretty sure That would be Yep Oh yeah This is horned up Yeah Yeah real horny

So yeah I've actually I forgot that I played your guitar because I'm lucky because Mark gets Jackson's I'll just play his shit Yeah yeah he like leaves him like Where we practice so I was like

So yeah he got One of your guitars It's either this one or the wood grain one I was just jamming it Yeah I was like dude sick dude I was glad you like it like it That was fucking badass dude I'd like it man I wish he got

The fucking yellow one Well you know he'll just have to hit up Tempesto yeah yeah I'll tell Mark hey this Just get the yellow one Right. Get a red one while you're at it, too. It's like, it's your guitar, but it's mine.

Right, right, right. It plays awesome, man. Thanks, man, I really appreciate that. Can we go over, like, the guitar, like the woods? I mean, this is your shit. Yeah, this is, it's Alder body on these. I think on the, on the pro series ones, they're using, like, I forget the name, it's like Niatawa or something like that.

It's like some new wood that. are using for like uh naitoa or something like that night the natoa i could be maybe that's it yeah there you go okay yeah okay nice yeah similar to mahogany um it's probably just like it's maybe it's easier to source because because that shop is in indonesia so i think it's probably just easier to source like wood from over there um but yeah it looks looks very similar to um kind of like an alder or like a mahogany kind of vibe nice So, but yeah, this is the USA one that I brought today. So this one's got the, all their body, maple neck.

I don't know, something about that maple with the yellow. I remember actually, like, way back in the day, we would record some of our first records at Ken Sussie's place. Oh, wow. Yeah, like way long ago. And Ken kind of would just probably similar to all of us as guitar players. we just have fucking guitars laying around cases and stuff and he was very much like yeah just you know play whatever like we were tracking drums and i'm like just kind of like oh open up this

case and you know play around a little bit while we're getting set up and yeah he had like a like a yellow ivanez that had um it was like kind of like an rg model or whatever like the super strap body shape and it had it had a maple fretboard and i just always it just stuck with me like the look of the maple with the yellow with like black hardware and stuff i'm like oh like this just looks really cool So kind of brought that out for this guitar here. I love the pearl inlays, but on this, I wanted to have black inlays going down, just with the wood grain. I thought it was a cool contrast. Got the Luminlays side dots there, seven string, 26.5 inch scale neck.

Just better for tuning stability. That's my favorite scale length. Yep. I like, I kind of like them all. Like, I love a Gibson scale length because it's just, you know, a little bit shorter for, like, jazz and shit. Are they under 25? Yeah, it's like 24 and three quarters. Oh, wow. Yep. So that's why like you play like a,

you could play like one of those Gibson guitars and have like real thick strings on it and it still feels kind of light because like the scale length is shorter. Yeah. And strats have 25 and a half. So I was used to playing that forever. And I just found that, you know, the 25 and a half inch scale with the seven string with dropping it further. Yeah. I wanted just a little bit more tension on the string. So we bumped it up to 26 and a half. and some of the chords are a little bit harder to get but the tuning you know everything's a trade-off right of course but yeah i i i love it i'm i'm used to it i went down a little bit on my gauge of strings to kind of compensate for the the tighter tension okay yeah um but other than that uh you know

lloyd rose i've got sedenture de marzio pickups in there these are my um occult classic pickups that i dialed in with those guys they sound great nice yeah What the back is yeah we got we got it we got to see the back in the neck dude we got the five piece it's a five piece yeah we pulled out all the stops for the the u.s model no freaking horned up dude you're sick got a horned up oh man it looks great what's the it's the it's the it's the neck uh is that maple yeah maple neck solid okay but it's it's just five five yeah and i forget the other uh it's been a And it's either like mahogany or walnut in terms of like the bracings in there. Yeah, check it out if you want. You'll play it. Kind of scared.

Come on, dude. Oh, do you think is sick. All horned up. This is freaking, wow. It's already has some marks on it. Yep. Yeah, it's a little dinged up. That's natural relicking right there, we call that.

Are you one of those guys that gets pissed when there's a scratch on it or no? So the very first one, you're like, dang. And then after that, I just, I don't care. Yeah, after the first one, you're kind of like, oh, okay. Guitarers are meant to be played. As long as it doesn't, like, fuck up the way it plays. I don't care. This is freaking bad.

I think it looks kind of cool, too. It just has that, like, that kind of worn look. All right, do my dumb ass. Let it rip, dude. You want chunk or you want sauce? That's a chunk it. Chunk it. That's all I know.

There you go. That's all you need. That's my jazz solo. That's all you need. Oops, I'm sauceed up. Dude, David, it sounds awesome. Next, man. Appreciate it.

It feels great, too. Yeah, they did a great job on the necks with these. They're just like, I don't know. Like, I feel like they cracked the code for me a while ago, and now I'm just like, I just won every single. guitar that I play. That's a seven to have that. Exactly. I got it. It just feels so smooth smooth. Now you gotta start over.

Yeah, it sounds awesome, man. Thanks, man. Pickups too? Yep, yep. I dialed them. So I had my previous iteration of signature de Marzio pickups. Those were called Imperiums. And I mean, they sound great, but they were kind of more dialed in for the shorter scaling, the 25 and a half. And I found when I just put them in this, lots of things can affect tone obviously and certainly scale length is one of them so um i kind of went back to larry and was like hey like you know i got this new guitar it's got a longer scale can we

you know maybe dial some something in new for the longer scale and he's like oh yeah totally and like demarsier are so great to me jackson are so great to me shout out to um all my endorsers like it really feels um like a family you know like they just they're just great companies to to work with and with DeMarzio he was just sending me pickups back and forth like kind of listen for it like I'm not super tech savvy

in terms of like oh take the 4K out I was just basically telling him what I was hearing like the top ends sizzles a little too much or you know it's kind of murky so they kind of have to you know make out what I'm what I'm saying through my random gibberish that I tell them

but they got them dialed in and I think I forget this might have been like the fourth or iteration of um of um of the pickups that i did but i try to keep track of it and like you know record audio samples and shit like that so i can kind of abe them and yeah all that good

shit how do you uh when you pick that thing up like what's like the first riff you play um a lot of times it'll just be uh go back to the chugs here i need i need some hot heat some hot heat A lot of times, like, you know, it might be like a riff that is like, from a new song or something like that. So, like, this one's kind of, I guess a good one because it's, it's fun to play, it's chunky, but it's also kind of like a good warm-up. So it has that, like, fourth to fifth.

Okay. So a little bit of like a tongue twister there, I guess, for the fingers. Yeah. Oh, so you're, oh, first I thought you were just doing bars, but no, you're throwing the power cord in there. Yeah, yeah. So, like, that's like, you know, some people call it, like, the inverted power cord. Yep. Yeah.

Oh. And it loops. And then, and then it would be the ending. So it's like, oh, yeah, it's a little something, but yeah. Deceptively tricky. Cool. I mean, you got it like pretty much first try. That's a great.

So you were just like, you'll pick up the Jackson, you'll just go straight to that. It's a nice little warm up. I mean, usually like, yeah, I'll kind of warm up with whatever sort of like in the set, right? But my warm up changes, like, you know, like right after that riff, that rift's a good one because immediately after that rip in the song is kind of like a spin-off riff. So that's like that same thing, but now instead of kind of chunky and grindy, it's more like thrashy. And it's actually flipped around. So it started there.

Now I'm starting the power cord. So I like to kind of repurpose riffs that way and, you know, to use sort of fancy language, like use like motivic development or whatever, right, where I'm taking. an idea and I'm kind of developing it like a little bit further. Okay. It's just a fancy word for like taking one idea and just sort of messing with it where like maybe you change the key or maybe like if it starts with, you know, that and goes there, you flip it around and start there to go there. Lots of just different ways of getting more mileage out of an idea, getting sort of more bang

for your buck. Even this riff later on in the song. comes back and I take that and just turn it into an actual power cord because this is the bottom part or the top part rather of that power cord so right okay so I take that and oh wow that's the same thing as this wow right for the most part little like a little slight change that's a sick fucking riff dude just flipped it around basically interesting yeah Yeah, it looks crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Very close.

Yeah. And then that just keeps looping. Bo da-da-bo-da-da-bo-da-bo-da-bo-da-bo-da. There you go. Oh, that's a little mind-fuck. Yeah. So I basically took one idea and kind of repurposed it sort of three different ways in the song. So like this original way.

A kind of thrashier I call them like cousin riffs where they're like kind of related You know Cousin riffs is funny Right Obviously it sounds different because it's thrashier And I'm moving through different You know

So it has that minor third thing And then Yeah you got it man That's a heavy ring You got it Thanks man thanks I'm fucking horned up right now Dude that dude that's some hot heat for sure

Thanks, thanks. And then if I really want to warm the old wrist up, since we're on this song. Is this off the new record? Yeah, this is off the new record. Yeah, Cronenberg. Actually, we got Johnny Davy from Jeffrey Cowboy. I saw that as dope, man. Yeah, he's on this song.

But anyway, so this riff, this one's kind of a fun one to warm up your wrist. I was like this. What are you doing? Just galloping. I mean, like, it's like basically like two 16 notes on an eighth note. So it's just triplets. It's not triplets. But it's not.

So this is something that I find with in metal. A lot of times people will say something as triplets or think that it's triplets, but it's actually two-sixteenth note or three-sixteenth notes and a 60th note rest or two-sixth notes and an eighth note. Okay. It's, you know, maybe I'm getting a little too technical here. No, that's fine. But there's different three-note patterns that you could have obviously. So Triplets, it's at this tempo, like cooking. It would not even be hard to hear, but, yeah, those would be more like kind of, to me, that's like the classic kind of Gallup riff.

Yeah, but your wrist was doing, like, what the fuck's he doing? Oh, just. You like have this like, yeah, I just kind of do it naturally. You're like, I'm doing, how fuck yeah, dude? You know, it's funny, like, people commented on that. That just feels natural to me, but I almost kind of like, it's akin to like maybe like a swivel technique that like a double bass like would do. I never seen it before, Dave. Oh, well, there you go.

It's cool. Yeah. It's, I guess it like it helps with the bounce and also like the momentum and also to kind of keep the, uh, the articulation like hitting real hard. Um, because I really wanted to at like that fast, I wanted to have that kind of like machine gun style. Yeah. And rhythmically, it's, it's, it's. It's a little tricky, but I'm basically just doing. So it's in 4-4, but it's grouped like 7 and 9.

Oh, you're fucked. So it's like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9. But 7 plus 9 adds up, you know, so it's just 8 and 8. How do you remember that? To me, it's just, I don't know. I wrote it so it feels natural. That's how your brain works.

That's how, yeah. 5-7? 7 and 9, but it equals, it's like 2 bars of 8, basically. But one, you're feeling like 7 and 1 you're feeling like 9. The drums are all in 4, 4, but they accent, like, where the change happens. So it kind of like is deceptively, it feels like 4, but it's grouped like 7 and 9. It makes sense because you're warming up the right hand. doing uh doing it whatever you call that and then you're also doing something that's not like

like it is 4-4 but it's not like so so you're kind of testing your left hand as well right that's super close yeah but but it's not because my my brain's like super dumb simple it's like it needs wants to just do this this this this and it's over but but you put some something crazy in there you're getting it pretty damn quick that's literally almost it right there You, you, it, there was one beat that you shaved up, but literally like it's, it's, it's, you're selling yourself short, Chris. I mean, you're literally almost having first try. So check, we'll go slow. Yeah, you just got to go back to the one, the first front one more time.

So it's like, one, two, three, four, six, seven, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. One, two, three, five, six, seven, eight, nine. That's it. Then add the gallon. Wow. And then it goes into the Cannibal Corpse part. That's a really hard Gallup riff. And I got something else to you.

I'll learn. There you go. It's a little tricky, but you got it, man. You got it. Because even when I try to play it with my, it sounded terrible. It's so, so the tricky thing is you have to double up on the second, on the two. So it's like, just that little. Yep, it's deceptive.

But for you, that's, that was natural. I do that. Yeah, it's just kind of like, you know, and we really want to freak him out, you know, because I put a minor third harmony on it as well. Okay, now we're just fucking. So it's like, so it really just sounds extra fucking demonic the whole time.

But rhythmically, it's the same. So, you know, it's fun to just add little harmonies here and there that just like, it doesn't add too much brain power to the thing, but makes it sound all fucking cracked and insane. Yeah. Yeah. What are some of your, like, favorite wrist from your band?

Um You know Like Revo riffs Revo riffs I mean You know There's some cool ones

Like on a new New record Like So we just put out like a single To me like the newer shit That I'm working on Is always kind of Some of the most

Fun just because it's fresh You know Like I mean All the other stuff I've played over the years So many times Like there's certain crowd pleads Just like the madness opus riff It's on one

So that's all the most So that's It's kind of a fun one. It has like, you know, kind of a little bit of like a dying fetus kind of groove to a sort of inspired. Like the outro to the outer ones is kind of a fun one. It's like, oh. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm just kind of like bending that note and the open string.

Oh, wow. Gives it like a real weird, like, yeah, ugly sound. Yep. And then we kick that one into the fast wrist. That's, you have to really warm up for that one. That one's like a pretty tricky pattern there. But that one always seems to kind of hit pretty hard live. But yeah, as far as like new riffs.

Yep, yep. Oh, here we go. Yeah, just sarcophagi, the soul. Yeah, that's like the newest single we have. have. That one's kind of a fun, melodic one, like a little bit of a tongue twister there. For people that are just listening, Dave, I've never seen someone do a Gallup rip the way you do it.

It's fucking tripping me out. Cool, cool. Because it looks like you're fucking up. Right. I was like, what the hell is he doing? Sometimes I am, you know? But no, it's just kind of bounces around and, like, I don't know, for me it feels, I I don't like think about what it looks like or like what so visually what I'm seeing should not be what I'm hearing okay

It just sound way more sloppy but right sounds on yeah, why it's I'm like like wow okay. Okay, it's crazy I mean sometimes like a lot of shit with that with like the gallop stuff I'll just like like you know like it asked me about like how I'll warm up like sometimes I'll literally like Just apply almost like like a technique like a gallop thing and I'll just kind of move around and just see what comes out So if I'm just like totally improvving right now, like, you know, I just kind of like literally, I'm not worried about like what I'm playing or anything like that. It's just to kind of get the right hand warmed up. Was that improv? Yeah, I don't, if I asked me to play it again, I would have no idea what I just played.

All right. Well, we go, it's on, it's on YouTube now. Yeah, someone transcribe it. It's on YouTube. Sick, man. Man, it looks, it looks freaky. And what's also kind of funny is you, so you don't drink coffee in the morning. you literally wake up first thing

you play the guitar for an hour pre-caffeinated, huh? It depends. It depends if I'm teaching that day or not. Like, because if I'm on like a strict like schedule, like I'll have coffee first. Like, especially if I know like, okay, like I'm going to have, you know, three hours in the morning, like right out the gate.

I want to be able to like have that mental focus the whole time. Sure. But yeah, like if I, like typically, like if it's a good day and I've got like kind of a free schedule, I'll wake up. I'll go for a run. Oh, so, oh, so you're running? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, cool, something.

Go for a run, like, there's, like, like, two, like, ponds, like, right behind my house. Oh, that's dope. I'll run around those. That's cool. And, yeah, then I'll come back. Maybe I'll make coffee at that point, or maybe I'll just, like, literally just start playing guitar and doing that and, like, save coffee for, like, later in the afternoon. Dang, save you a coffee? Yeah.

You're a cycle. I can't save my coffee. I got to wake up, and I'm, I need a hot heat. Yeah, I know, I get it, I get it. Now, do you fuck with, like, what's your coffee method? Do you go pot or do you like, I do a French press? French press. French press, dude.

My guy. I knew it. I knew it. The French press, dude. The French Prince Kings right here. Hell yeah, dude. French press, dude. I mean, it just sets up the day, man.

Yep. Just like, that first cup horned up. Just pressing it down. Yeah, I need, do, I, every day, if I need an hour and a half of just brain. Like, wake up, coffee, read for 30 minutes, the gym, meditate. Once that's done, that's an hour and a half. I'm trying to do more meditation, man. I'm really, it's hard to tame the mind.

But it's something that I really want to try to commit to. That shit's wild. It is. It's fascinating. And the more you do it, the worse you get at it. Really? It's funny. It's definitely a big ego check.

You can think you're mindful, but then you sit down for 10 minutes. You're like, wow, the mind's just like. Yep. And man, I've been doing this shit since I was, late 20s. So I've been doing it for over 12 years. And I do not feel better out at all. Yeah.

It's not like yoga. Yoga is opposite. You can suck out yoga and still get the full benefits. Yeah. Yoga is like sex. So you can suck out up and get the full benefit. But meditation is freaky. Like,

matter how long you do it, it's just like your brain just wants to bounce off, bounce inside your skull. It's weird. Go somewhere else. Yeah. Yeah. But it's not for, it's not for, uh, everybody for me it works but who knows but for someone else i feel like it probably is to everybody it's just people don't want to take the time to like really like sit down and like do it you know what i mean

because it's it's it's it requires like this weird like disassociative almost thing where it's like yeah it's just crazy to think like i'm literally trying to just only focus on my breath or do it's a trip yeah it is it's still like even today i'm like wow it's still the brain is and it's funny every day every single day that you're like you you lie to yourself every every day it's like oh you don't need to do it yeah it's every fucking day there's not one day i want to sit down and for 10 minutes there's not one day where it's like oh yeah this is easy yeah it's so fascinating like you're just just this line to to yourself and then when you do it you're like okay i needed that it's fucked up because the more um the more fucked up your brain is that the more it's

bouncing the more you actually need it so even if even if you have a bad session you had to sit down Because if it didn't do it, then your day would be even more like, even more chaotic. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, shit, well, you know, I'm hanging out with day to day. I need to be present. And I had to sit down. And then your brains is going out the walls. Yep.

I was funny. You know, I was thinking about like, should I, like, meditate for five minutes before I do this interview. I ended up not doing it. But I'm like, I'm like, Chris is going to see me sitting in the corner somewhere. He's going to think I'm a total weirdo. And now I've come to find out you've been meditating for, you know, the past 12 years. I would love to see that. It's like, what's you doing out there?

He's just sitting there doing nothing. Just thinking about Gallup riffs, but trying not to. Cool. So, all right, I didn't know that you were a jogger. Yeah, it's something that past few years, like, I kind of got into. It's recent. Yeah, you know, it's a little older and you're like, you know, I got to maintain a bit more. You can't just kind of coast on life.

Yeah, get the blood flow on. Get the blood flowing. I also feel like it's good because I'm gonna like do like I usually do like body weight exercises and just you know kind of do like a little like light lifting and stuff but nice.

Doing like doing the run first I feel like like warms my body up really good so like if I do you know pushups or like lift weights and shit like that it kind of keeps me a little bit more I'm not like fucking obviously like like fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger jacked by any means but it's just

I'll do aware if you're just listening me and Dave or Boejack We're both just we're just ripped just busting out But it's just, for me, it's more kind of maintenance type of shit. It makes, it makes me feel better. I feel like it gives me more energy, like, throughout the day, like, when I do work out, oddly enough, because, you know, it kind of compounds. And, you look good.

Thanks, man, you look good, too. You look like, you know, you're slim. Looks like you've been running. Yeah, that's cool. That's kind of what I'm trying to do. But then I get the friends that, like, they go full into the workout shit, and they're, like, fucking protein powders. And, like, they're trying to, like, bulk up and shit. And it's, that's, that's, that's like, a whole.

other hobby in and of itself just like sticking on a regiment with like trying to fucking gain muscle mass and all that kind of shit I wish you could have a I wish you could go book up your dick you know but it's it doesn't you can't you can't it's only for muscles so you can't you think like at this point like I wish you could right like just chub it up a bit you know or like if you eat a bunch like you think like your dick would gain like weight too but like it's the one muscle you have no control over right like that's That's just where you're at. God's cruel joke, man. Actually, semi-line, I mean, I'm sorry if you're listening.

I mean, when you're older, you do got to think about your dick. Like, when you are, when I'm eating good, dude, eating good water, water's, I'm so underrated. Yeah. Like, when you're eating right, the blood flow's going, like, your dick is bigger. Because, like, you got max blood blood flow. It's just like, it's just like, what's up. Right. It's all right.

Just warned up. Just ready to go. I don't know how we got here. I'm sorry, dude. That's all good. But you, I'm like, but you, I'm like, but,

hey, dude, let's just talk about jazz rips. I'm sorry. Sure, sure. Okay. You know what? So, again, I'm not like,

I'm not like a jazz player. What would, I think some people just need, like, a proper introduction to, let's say, like, a, I want to say, complicated style of music as,

as jazz. What's like a good, introduction as far as artists and what's a good introduction as far as like a maybe like a riff or two what's so you know with jazz um i mean there's like melodies and stuff like that but it's it's not yeah i guess there's some things that are kind of like riff based but it's not like a sort of riff based form of music you know it's more like um kind of chords and melody and like how those kind of go together and that can you know sometimes take a little bit of time to get together like, you know, like the equivalent of like a riff in jazz would be like, again, like kind of like a melody, you know, like, uh...

So with jazz, you don't call them riffs? Not really. Interesting, I never heard that before. It's not really a riff thing, yeah, like, like, like Solar, like Miles Davis, that's like... It's like, this is like so, like not the tone to do this on, but... What's that? That's like sort of the melody for a tune called Solar. So like, you know, you'd learn, you'd learn the melody.

And then, you know, you'd learn like the chord changes and stuff like that. And, you know, try to just like slowly work your way, you know, through a piece like that. But, you know, there's certain, like, blues, like jazz blues heads and stuff. Mm-hmm. And there you go, same. That's like a nice, nice warm, clean tone. I'm just trying to like make the chug Norris fucking... Sorry, but...

Yeah, C-7. C-minor 7. Oh, you actually know what's going on. Yeah, that's crazy. Then this would be going to the F-major 7 here. Okay. Then F-minor 7, then it goes to B-flat major 7. Interesting.

So having to like, you know, basically memorize the chord changes. But I mean, like, I can just like, rather than go into that whole thing, like, I can just, like, show you, like, some chords or something like that, that, like, might, you know, be, like, like, like a cool like starting place. So like one voicing that you could learn, you know, would like literally just be like if we were to take Solar for example, like if you were to play like C minor seven.

So this would be to play like, this would be like what's known as a C minor seven chord. And it's just a C minor triad with the seventh. So we're skipping the A string. Yeah, so it'd be like eight. If we're doing frets, skip the A string, 8-8-8. There you go. How are you like, what's the right hand doing? So I'll kind of hybrid pick it.

So I'll like pluck the low, sorry, I'll pick the low string and then I'll pluck the high strings. Yeah. But, yeah, so. So that's one way to do it, but, you know, trying to get it so that they're at the same time would be good. Yep.

Yep. But you don't have to either. I mean, you could. Yeah, you could, you know, pick everything kind of with a lighter touch, and for those listening, like, I'm on, like, a fucking super death metal channel right now, so I've got my volume kind of rolled all the way off, so I don't know if this sounds good or not coming through the headphones, but, you know, I'm trying to my...

Sounds good. I'm trying my best to kind of smooth it out a bit. Then, you know, with jazz, it's all about kind of coming with different voicing and ways of, coloring chords. So this is like a good sort of stock basic voicing. Okay. And then this would be what's known as a drop three chords. So you're taking the third note from the top and you're dropping it down an octave. So if I take this drop three and I play it like up here, for example, that's the same four notes, but just inverted.

Oh, I think I know where we were at. Oh, this is fucked. Good. There you go. Great. Yeah. There it is. So like this would be root position. That would be first inversion. Oh, this is part. Right. And then if we were here, right, that would be the next inversion of it. Or you can play it down low. Right, you know, that's basically just this. But move down. And then, and then finally, oh, this is fourth inversion. Sorry, third inversion, which would be the fourth chord. would look like that. What is from the seventh?

So that's the seventh of the chord, and that's the top part of the tribe. Oh, we are five. Right? Yep. Fuck. There you go, yeah. Oh, my.

So that would be like, so here's like, second inversion, third inversion, root position, and then that would be first inversion. How long did it,

take you to practice these chords and actually maybe oh my goodness and get like some oh wait kind of know what's going on uh you know it took it takes a while but like you know you just have to be kind of method that's just sort of one chord type of many right you could do the same thing with dominant seven chords major seven chords minor seven flat five that's taking all of that and flattening the five every time right so that's that's literally that same exact chord but we we just flat the fifth each time. Okay. Wow.

This is fucked. And then, you know, you could add intentions and stuff like that. So if I take the original root position chord, that's sort of the easiest one, right? This would be the root, the seventh, the minor third, and the fifth. If I take that fifth and I move it down here, now I have the 11th. So this is actually like, actually a really cool chord that if it was clean, would sound, sound great, but also if you threw some like distortion on it, like this could be... I'll do it down on a half step so I can add the low B.

You know, frog and sound. There it is. If I wanted to, I could throw in, you know, the flat five. You know, any kind of cool rhythm with that. You know, you have to probably fuck around what your gain says. because it's like the more gain you have with like more complex voicings, it can start to kind of smear together a little bit. So it's good to have like maybe a slightly lower gain setting. But, you know, they're fun chords to play around.

Like, you know, you could do this just because they're commonplace in jazz doesn't mean like jazz has a monopoly on what types of chords you can play. But, you know, they sound particularly great with a nice clean tone and some, you know, little reverex. or whatever, it just has like a nice pleasing, pleasing sound. So I'll mess around with, you know, different chords like that. Do you put chords like that in, in Robo? Yeah, yeah. Like, we have a song called Communion, so if I can remember how to play it.

So I'm using some jazz work there. So yeah, this basically minor triad, F7, flat 9, B-flat major 7, A minor triad. And there's other various places, how's that one going? I think that one's the intro to, it's been like so long since I've played this one, it's intro to Fathom's Catacombs. So that's, you know, basically like a F sharp suss, four chord. That would be like Dflat major 7 over F. And then. Dude, you're so in it.

It's fucking crazy. I was jamming this record. Oh, yeah, yeah. That song's on this one. That song's on this record. Okay. What's the first song? The first song is of unworldly origin.

Mm. Yep. What was the first trip to that? That one's... That's it. That's a dope rip, dude. Yeah. A lot of trip.

That one's like pretty much trend picking the whole time. That song is usually last in our set, and we were on tour with Mormid Angel, and I fucking tripped on stage and broke my wrist right before we had to play that song. I was going to ask you, what happened to... your arm during that tour. I just fucking like cables like this. I took a step backwards. I was like calling for like a mosh pit or whatever.

Like this is the last song of the night. Like let's circle pit. Let's fucking go. Yeah. This video of it online somewhere. I just fucking like the cable went like tink like super like tight. And like I don't know. Like I think it must have been like wrapped around the drum set in a weird way.

But it was basically like I set up like a fucking trip wire for myself on stage like unintentionally. Yeah. And, you know, normally cables are just loose. So even if you, like, trip over them, it's, like, not a big deal. You can just kind of recover. Yeah. But this was, like, taught.

And I, like, felt my, like, leg give out. And the first thing you do when you fall backwards, just instinctually is you throw your hand behind you. And that's what I did. And with the extra weight of the guitar, too, like, that didn't help. So I just broke my wrist, like, immediately. You broke your wrist. Yeah, like, right on stage. And, um.

Oh, that's so. Yeah. Such a bummer, dude. And like I got up and I've never broken a bone before. So and everything's loud and chaotic on stage. So it wasn't like I even like heard it break or anything. So I just was like hoping I had sprained it or something like that. And that song is literally again like.

Yeah. For like right out the gate. And I'm just like, ah. But made it through the whole song. Oh, sick. Like somehow. sometimes I wonder if like maybe it like snapped the bone like back

into place or whatever because like when I went in to get it x-rayed I mean they were like it's broken but the good thing is it's there's two types of breaks there's like a displaced break and a non-displaced break so when it's non-displaced like if you don't it doesn't really require intervention the bone in theory will just heal naturally when it's like displaced the bone's fucking off center or whatever and you have to like you know

sometimes that's when you have to get it sat or you have to get pins and shit like that. So luckily it wasn't any of that type of thing going on. But yeah, like I had to do the whole rest of the tour like in a fucking sling. That sucks. But it was fun just being a standalone vocalist for a little bit. But yeah, six weeks in a fucking cast. So I couldn't play guitar.

Oh, man. That tour for you must have been a lot of bad luck. Yeah, yeah. There was some real fucked up shit on that tour. What, uh, what, uh, was it Ohio when you guys got a hit with a tornado? Um, it was, uh, we were in Illinois. Yeah. Yeah, that was a brutal one. Yeah. Because first, I, I saw pictures of you with the cast. Did he get hurt during the, during the, during the tornado? No, that was a total separate thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man, you had, uh, you had some bad luck with that one.

Yeah. That was, that was a rough one. What, what happened for, uh, for you guys? Um, meaning, sorry, what was the question? During, uh, during, during that show when the twister hit? Um, you know, it was, it was just so. It was just fucking brutal, man. Like, I kind of don't even like talking. Like, someone, like, passed away. It was, like, it was really pretty fucked up, yeah. It was bad.

Like, the whole roof collapsed. It was, like, you know, worst case in the area. The fucking tornado, like, directly hit the venue we played. And I heard the warning was pretty late. Yeah, it was just one of those things where I think they get tornadoes in that area of the country a lot. And I think it was probably one of those things where they, you know, you get warnings and, you know, almost every time like nothing happens so it's like oh like it's just gonna pass over it's just oh it's the past since the morning right right and it was like direct like direct hit yeah it's bad that sucks dude

during a morbid ancient tour yeah a lot of people got hurt it was it was just fucked up but um you know it's it's it's honestly like a miracle like there weren't more you know casualties perhaps because it was like the fucking whole roof fell it their roof fucking fell it dude and people just trying just trying to go go to a show Yeah. That sucks, dude. I don't know what I would do. Yeah, we had a crypto in here, and they talked about it a little bit.

Yeah, yeah, they were there, and Moran Angel. Apollo Theater. Yeah. Brutle. Is that Benny still around? I don't know. I feel like if it is, they probably did major renovations. Yeah.

But I wouldn't be surprised if they just, yeah, I mean, you can see, dude. That was a venue at some point, dude. Those are fucking... It's terrible. Just a normal... Oh, the whole Marquis went down. That sucks. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Trying to play a show. Yeah, so I thought you hurt your wrist there. No, it was a totally, totally different, totally separate incident. Yeah, it's one of those things. It was like, I don't know, two weeks later on the tour. And then we still had like, we still had like two weeks left. Oh, my goodness, dude. How long did it take for your wrist do you heal up?

Six weeks. Just kind of, yeah, like classic standard. But that's pretty much the going rate for a broken wrist, I guess. How long was it when you started to actually start playing again? Like you were fucking... I mean, as soon as I got home, I started playing guitar. Like, they took me out of the cast. I don't know if it was because I've been playing guitar, like my whole life,

and I just have good blood flow or healthy tendons or whatever. So when you get out of a cast for the first time, no matter what, your muscle atrophies. It shrinks because it's not used to being stretched at all. So it's like you basically go from like here to like there. But the chick who was, the physical therapist that was giving me the exercises

was like shocked. She was like, you are not supposed to be able to do any of these mobility exercises yet she's like you're like pretty much like good to go but like she has like a checklist and like by the end of it she's like here's this hammer like swing this hammer around and I'm like okay

and she's like you're good to go like your physical therapy is like apparently just going to be playing guitar because like you shouldn't be able to do any of these exercises I mean I took care of myself I wasn't like you know getting fucked up and stuff and I was taking like collagen supplements and all that kind of stuff okay so if anyone's

listening and they've broken the bone you know, try not to fret too much. The human body is a miraculous thing and just try to be positive and do what the doctors tell you. But keep your shit elevated. That was the one thing that, like, I didn't realize. Well, that's why you wear a sling. So, like, when I first went in, I was in Ohio when I got the x-ray, and they were like, yeah, your shit's, like, your shit's broken. But they gave me a sling, but, or sorry, they gave me a cast, but no sling, and they didn't really tell me any other info.

Oh, my goodness. Three days later, my hands, like, fully... Yeah, I copied the... Yeah. James Hatfield there with that one. Fuck, yeah, dude. You got to do it. You got to do it.

It was a different risk, but, you know, I didn't feel like breaking the other one. Anyway, they didn't tell me what to do, so I'm just kind of keeping my arm by my side, and when you break a bone, like, all your blood runs to that area to try to start the the healing process, which means your fucking hand swells up. So my shit was, like, numb, and I'm like, this is... Something's like off here, so I went to another doctor, and I'm so glad I did because, oh, here's the fucking clip right here.

Oh, shit, is it? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, oh, no. You're like, well, I just broke my wrist. You're like, oh, the wrist is. Yeah, the solo. So what were you thinking?

Like, just like, I got to get through it. Oh, that's fucked. Not bad for broken wrist, though, you know? Dude, you play it better to me with the fucking broken wrist, though, you know? Dude, you play it better to me with the fucking broken wrist. You fuck you. That's sick, man. Yeah, so anyway, I was, well, the only thing I was thinking when it happened was like, I hope it's not broken.

And then, and then realizing that it was broken, I'm like, what can I do? But yeah, I went to a second doctor and they're like, yo, it's good you came in because you would have had permanent nerve damage in your hand. They were like, you need to get this swelling down, like, ASAP. My shit was like, like, meat fist. Oh, no. So, like, I mean, luckily, like, it didn't take long. It's just literally like whenever you're sitting anywhere Just like hold your hand up like that

Or like wear a sling when you're sleeping or whatever And it just the blood will naturally drain out But I was like freaked out for a minute I'm like oh fuck I'm not gonna be able to fucking play guitar anymore Yeah And of course when you're in like a sling Or someone sees you in a cast People start just giving you like unsolicited horror story

So they're like I broke my wrist too man Never was the same again Oh yeah fucking god damn it dude are you telling me this Perfect so like but yeah Luckily, everything was cool, and the physical therapist was like, dude, you're pretty much good to go.

Like, she gave me a few, like, good, like, stretches, um, which I'll kind of still do to this day just to, like, just stay, like, nimble and stuff, because they're just also good stretches to do. Um, and if you're sitting and playing guitar for, like, hours on end, like, it's good to be warmed up and nimble.

Yeah. Um, but other than that, like, uh, yeah, I never had, I never had a fucking single issue with it, luckily. Thank you. Amazing, man. That could have been so much more worse.

Yeah, I mean, even just like having to go through like, oh, the bone didn't heal right. Like, we got to break it again now. And now you've got to be in the cast for another six fucking weeks. Oh, God. Hey, Jay, do you have any questions, man? He said he said he had some heat for you. Oh, there's some heat? Yeah.

It's fucking hot heat, dude. It's a quick heater. I guess movies are kind of like an apparent influence on the band and stuff. got like a top five maybe sure I mean I love I love horror I love sci-fi

so those are usually kind of my favorites I mean I think hereditary is one of the best horror movies I've seen that's kind of more recent I mean I know it came out a while ago at this point

but of the kind of recent-ish horror movies hereditaries up there I'll go with the thing John Carpenter's The Thing is one of my favorites of all time I love the psychological component

to it and also just the practical effects and all the creatures and shit is so much fun yeah like look at that like yeah right in the background there Spider-Man yeah look at that thing

I'm sick so fucked up like that's one of the best scenes ever when they're like doing the defibrillator and the guy's chest caves in and like teeth just ripping guy's arms off. Oh my goodness. Spoiler alert, but whatever. He haven't seen the thing yet.

No. It's not my fault for spoiling it. You know, Kronenberg, like, we, when we have a song on the new record called Kronenberg, so I've got to give a shout out to the Fly, one of the best body horror movies of all time. I love the Alien series, so, like, aliens is super fun. It's, like, kind of more on the action side. I mean, the first alien movie was great, but aliens is, you know, just has more alien action.

Sure. And finally, I mean, if you want just to be totally traumatized, just watch

Martyrs. It's a French film. It's just so fucked up and, like, depraved,

gory. It's, it's just about as horrific as it gets. Sick. Yeah. Yeah.

So is, is this kind of recent? Martyrs, no, martyrs came out a while ago, 2008. Okay.

Yeah. It's just so incredibly disturbing. So it's just fucked. Yeah. Pure brutality. It's kind of like jazz.

It's just brutal. You know, thank you. A lot of people think jazz is just easy listening, but jazz is brutal, God damn it. I've heard you say that jazz and classical actually has brutal elements to it. Oh, yeah. I was like, oh, okay. I wonder what he means by that. Well, I like that both, if we're comparing, let's say jazz and metal, like they're both.

They're both genres that go against the status quo. They're both genres that demand a certain level of, you know, technical ability to play, a certain level of blood, sweat, and tears that need to go into it to, you know, master the craft. They're both genres that have, like, very devout fan bases, you know, with good reason. There's a famous story in Miles Davis's autobiography, which is just a great read where he's just a young kid, and he's going to play jazz shows, and they have these sessions. and, you know, some dude goes to a session, I think it was maybe in Harlem,

and, you know, he's a sax player, and the dude's, like, just kind of, like, faking it and, like, just sucks and gets up there and plays, and he's trying to impress some chicks. And, like, I think, like, the audience, like, and the other, like, players in the band, like, took him out to, like, the alleyway and beat the shit out of him.

And they were, like, don't ever fucking step on this stage again if you play that whack-ass bullshit. That's sick. Right? Also, jazz used to be fucking hard. Oh, dude, those guys partied harder than fucking like Mottley crew and shit. Like those dudes like we're going like in.

But like they the music was just like, you know, spoke for itself. I mean, you know, you listen to like those old records with like Charlie Parker and I mean, they were fucking totally just like fucked out of their heads. But they were just playing someone like the crazy shit. Just just incredible musicians.

They just had it in their hands. Like you know, you hear stories about like, you know, dime bag like being hammered and like going on stage and like playing. Like yeah. I was like those cats could just like like hammered. or drunk, but they would be... And play that.

Yeah, and improvising, you know, like crazy, having these musical conversations. And did, uh, did Mal Davis have two eras? He had a few different eras in his life. Yeah, yeah. He, um, a few of those players, um, had quite, uh, an interesting kind of trajectory, you know, like Coltrane was the same way where he was into, like, bop, but then he had, like, you know, like, like, Miles Davis, like, had, like, a bop phase.

and then it was like cool jazz. Then he was kind of experimenting with more like electronic types of music. And, you know, free jazz and like all that kind of stuff. So all these dudes had different eras. Like, yeah, like this would be kind of like a later kind of period. Wow. Or, you know, maybe. I need those glasses.

Yeah, right. Fuck Raybans. Yeah, that's like late 80s. Anyway, yeah, it's very, it's a style of music that's uncompromising. and it's very much like sort of like a middle finger to like the status quo and I've always appreciated that that the jazz has that it's it you know it's protest music right yeah I'm gonna play how I want and there's like yeah there's an undeniable level of dedication that that comes along with that so I can see a certain crossover appeal there with with metal and jazz and that like unwavering like dogma like this is like my musical vision and I'm not going to let like other outside things kind of taint that or whatever like this is my musical statement that I want to deliver I never thought about it that that way yeah it's both very uh similar mindsets yes yeah the mindset is like you know it's not necessarily like yeah let's let's do

this you know paint by numbers thing and like uh we're trying to find this like mass appeal certainly i mean jazz had a mass appeal for like a long time um you know it was kind of like the pop music and dance music of the time. But I think as, you know, people kind of started exploring different components of it. You know, it became less and less of like, okay, here's some like fun music to dance too. And like more like, okay, let's explore that. I mean, I think, you know, unfortunately, music has become something that's very much like more entertainment based, more than like something that's kind of good for your soul and like

something that's sort of like a transcendent, like spiritual thing. So, I mean, I would love if everyone could, you know, get the same feeling for, like, classical music that they do for, you know, something that's just like a clubbanger or whatever, but that's obviously not the world we live in. But, you know, I think music education is important, music appreciation is important, and things don't need to always be commodified and sanitized.

Things can be music for music's sake, and that's cool, too. Mm-hmm. That's the point, really. Of course. So Miles Davis has a book. So did he write it? Yeah, it's an autobiography. I'm sure there's several books on Miles Davis, but his autobiography is, you know, hear it from the man himself.

Exactly. I learned this year that I'm not going to read anything else other than autos because I... Yeah, that's the one I have right there. Okay, so this is it. Yep. With Quincy. Okay. Damn, I didn't know.

I got to read this. Oh, yeah. fucking legend. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's got a lot of,

a lot of hot takes in that book and just crazy, interesting stories and just kind of wild, wild stuff. He was an interesting cat, man.

To say the least. Yeah, so, I mean, he, obviously, he hits the 80s, 70s, obviously,

60s, correct? Yeah. Wow. I mean, like, I didn't know that, I mean,

probably early, really early. I didn't know he had a book, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course. I mean, he's born, what was it, in 1920s, right?

Mid-1920s he was born. Mm-hmm. 1926, he was born. Alton, Illinois. Died in Santa Monica. He was only 65? Yeah, I mean, you know, he did some years of hard living for sure. Fuck.

To, you know, to put it lightly. Santa Monica, dude, 91. Dude, that kind of blew my mind. I had no idea. You just like assume it's like a I don't know that that John Ramon had an autobiography. And so I just doing research models. Yeah, yeah, it's a book.

Holy shit. His body, you read it. Oh, straight from the fucking guy. Yep. Yeah, I bought a, I'm done buying books that are not the source because I'll be like read it and then someone tell me it's not true. I'm like, oh, I learned a, I learned a lot here. Yeah.

So you know, that's not, that's not what. I just look at his body of work. I mean, that's the thing that's most impressive to me. How many records does he have? I mean, that's what I mean. What the jazz dudes are just like, oh my. So prolific.

That is, you know, 63? Yeah. 63 records. Well, because, you know, they would release records under their own name, but then they would also be on other people's records. So, I mean, you know, it's not uncommon for players to be, to have played on, you know, 100 records, like throughout the course of their career. I mean, some, I mean, some dudes, like, actively.

That is next level. Like, you know, like, Herbie Hancock. Like, I mean, I don't even know how many records he's, been on a release but it's been so many over the years. My goodness, dude. I need to... Still going.

I'm like, yeah. I look at that, you know, just... That's just his, like, studio albums. Unbelievable, dude. Unbelievable. Wow. So, yeah, it's like... Makes you feel like, man, I got a fucking...

I'm like, yeah, I have seven records. I'm fucking cool, dude. I'm a piece of shit. I gotta get to work. Man, I got to... I quit this podcast, dude. This is a phone mic. It's amazing.

Yeah. Unreal. Well, thank you for the new book. Yeah, man. I'm going to get the physical. I actually have it in my fucking hand. I hope you like it. So I don't mean to put you on a spot, but I saw that you have a jazz improv shows.

I was curious if maybe we could do like a little like improv jam. Yeah, I mean, I wish I had like a clean. We know, no, we were jam earlier. Yeah. Okay. I'm five right? Open up your fucking pussy. You want me to just, you want a solo or you want to like to do a riff together?

Yeah. Thanks, Dave. Thank you, man. That's fucking badass, dude. Any more questions, Jay? All right. What's the best guitar and kicks combo? Ooh.

Okay, so I'm kind of mixing up my color palette right now. Normally I go just full matchy-matchy, but I'm kind of liking the blue Jordans with the yellow Ferrari red. Okay. Opposite end of the color wheel. I'm trying to think ahead here. Horned up.

Horned up. So yellow with the Nikes. With the blue. Boom. With the blue Nikes. Yep. The blue Jays. High OG.

Yeah, you're either going to go full high top Nike or you're going to go Adidas campuses. That works too. That works. I mean, you know, but the fucking cowboy boots look is a cool cool vibe too yeah and when someone can pull that off yep that's just big old belt buckle it's a fucking look dude that's right it's a fucking yeah that's uh seat like just like two rattlesnake heads at the tips that's some heat dude yeah you know what band that uh i gotta get back into and

i didn't jam them literally my my whole adult life up until today was uh you're you're really a big fan of uh gore gurgs oh yeah dude you're really a fan of them huh i play in a band with with with Oh, really? Yeah, I have a side product with him called Pallad Vale. Oh, shit. I know, man. That's awesome. We only put out, like, one tractor in, like, the pandemic, but we're, um, long story

short, we got a commission to, uh, play metal injection fest last year or maybe two years ago. No, it was last year. And, yeah, we, we put together, like, a whole set of, like, original material, like, with a couple covers. And, and then, like, we're like, all right, we actually need to probably record this stuff for real because, like, it's a great cover. It's a lot of, uh, oh, yeah, yeah, that's, uh, yeah, that's, uh, yeah, that's, uh, yeah.

Noah did that. He's a great. Noah Neath, I want to say, is his last name? Great artist. Lots of cool. Death metal and black metal album covers. But yeah, so the one song, so we got more coming out.

And if you want to buy it, you can't because it's sold out. Oh, nice, dude. Yeah, I got to give him another listen, dude. Thanks, man. Because I kept hearing you say they were fucking banding. Oh, Gorgots. Yeah, yeah, they're incredible. I've been Mahemus.

Yeah. I fucking love that band. Yeah, he's got all that, you know, really interesting, you know. Luke LeMay. Luke LeMay. He's a genius. I love Luke. My first tattoo was a Gorgat's tattoo.

Was it really? Yeah, yeah. Where we're at? My arm right here. Oh, I thought you were going to say that you could lower our back. Yeah, yeah, I got a, I got a Gorgat's a tramp stamp. That'll be sick. It's one time, I was in, I was in high school, and then there's two.

That's my back right there. Oh, shit. Dude, a definite tram stamp is next level, dude. I mean, it's pretty sick. I mean, she's a keeper. Is she or a he? We don't even... Oh, that's someone that...

Oh, Jesus Christ. Just get a Trump tramp stamp? That's sick, dude. Wow, that's... That's something. Oh, corn. Oh, yeah, that's my style, dude. That's your style right there?

That's it. That is it. That is it. So, Gorgas is a fucking extreme ban. Remember, the reason why I avoided him? is because in high school you had like the punkers you had the hardcore kids i was a part of like the new metal click yeah there's these two like i was a freshman there was there's two seniors that were like the death mental guys one had long dreadlocks and there was like other guy

remember uh during lunch time i had that the courage to go up to go up and like talk to him and uh i was like yeah you know i i listen gorgutts and you know i i'm wearing like a slipmont shirt and remember that fucking prick dude you said uh like gorgur got's uh you said uh or god's uh you said uh or god's uh They're pretty weak. Whoa. Yeah. Damn. And honestly, I don't know why.

I just realized today, I realized I afforded that band my whole life. Because of all because that guy. Yeah. Wow. He was just trying to be cool. Yeah, it was pretty cool. I'm like too. What the fuck?

I know I like, me metal, but I thought the band was like death metal and sick. Wow. See? You can't always trust the, you know, the. What up the death metal senior, you know, sometimes. Maybe maybe he was just throwing you off the scent, you know? He was like, oh, I can't, I can't. Can't let this kid fully

Know the Secrets of Death Metal I'm in high school I wasn't asshole too But that was Uncalled for Man so they're like a They're a full on death metal band My favorites of all time

Wow Yeah Look how sick they are Dude I haven't seen a band name Or heard of Up until like the past like few days Because I kept hearing I kept hearing your name

Say it Oh you like see that fucking name You know what dude I'm gonna put it on Yeah they're well they're just so So unique I mean like Luke is like classically trained.

So he'll he'll like compose like classical sonatas and shit like that. Really? Like yeah, like orchestral pieces. Oh shit. So like when he like writes on guitar like he writes some of the like craziest death metal riffs but it's like it almost sounds like not even the guitar like he does these crazy pick scrapes and shit like that are really like composed like as part of the roof itself.

Yeah. Yeah. Like if you pull up like the song inverted for like a second like just to kind of hear how fucking insane that shit is. Dude, let's do it. Oh, this is sick. That's fucked. Like, he's doing this, like, weird pick scrape thing,

but it's, like, part of the riff. Just super. Oh, that's messed up, dude. Yeah, this is gnarly. As, like, dissonant as it gets. And this is 90s? I think it was maybe, like, early 2000s, I want to say. Okay.

Oh, 2012. Oh, okay. Mid-2000s. Okay. Oh, wow. Are you sick, dude? Okay. I'm gonna do a little deep dive.

Do a deep dive. You know, fuck with that fucking kid said. He doesn't know shit. I'm class of 04. This was the year 2001. Right. So, wow. 24 years.

24 years, I avoided a ban. And if that guy's listening, shame on you for... Shame on you. For leading Chris astray here. What a idiot, dude. Yeah, come on. What an idiot, dude. Hey, so Dave, did I, do we miss anything?

Is there anything that you want out there about revocation, about you? We're going on tour soon. I might just might as well plug that. Mid-October, there we go. Boom, already queued up. It's going to be a sick tour, judiciary and ferry, bomb it forth. Stoke for that. Obviously, we've got the new record coming up, but I figured to plug it one more time.

September 26th. Got my other band, Gargoyle and Palad Vale. Check those out. If you get a chance and just, man, thank you so much for the interview. It was so much fun chatting and playing guitar with you. Like, I was really looking forward to this. Same. It was so much fun.

Yeah, and congrats on the Jackson. How many years have it been? Oh, like, with like working with them, like as far as like signature models go. Man, it's been like a little while. Like that charcoal black one was the first one that we did. I feel like it might even do. Is this where you have breakfast sometimes? Dude, Carlos.

Carlos, right? You're like the fucking nardwar of fucking death metal, dude, just pulling up all these deep cuts. Yeah, I heard you liked you. I heard you liked your riff and then go out and get coffee and then go out to Carlos and have a chicken palm, right? Oh, yeah. You know, what sucks, though, is I recently developed like a gluten intolerance, so I can't fucking eat any of that shit anymore. So this is like torture for me right now. No more chicken palm for you, dude.

I know, I might try. I might fuck with those like glutenese pills and see. Okay, so it's just the actual Carlos? Oh, yeah, dude. I can't tell you how many chicken broccoli ziti there, dude. Shout out Carlos. They better at least give my mom a gift certificate or something like this. How far is this from your pad?

Is this it? From my mom's house? Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh. Yeah, from my mom's place in Brighton, like, it's like, you know, 15 minute drive. Oh, it's not bad. Yeah. 15.

And this was, like, right kind of like in the epicenter. So like Brighton Music Hall is right there. And like O'Brien's is right around the corner. And there was this place called Great Scott that, like, now is a Taco Bell Cantino. but they used to do shows at. Yeah. Yeah, look at that.

Unchanged. They got the pasto. They got the shrimp. I know all these dishes by heart. You know, I can probably give you the name and the fucking price of each dish here. Even adjusted for inflation. That would be the risotto there. Got a nice antipasto.

This would be their seafood special here that they do. Oh, you tried everything. This would be their veal chop. Of course, that's the chicken parm there. Oh, you're a fat fuck. Oh, dude, come on. I'm fucking ready to go. That's why I got to run.

dude, because I eat shit like this. Yeah, dude. I mean, uh, scene. Mark chicken Marsala, you know, with the potatoes and the mushrooms, a nice side of steamed broccoli. This is like Italian. Keep going chicken broccoli. Ziti.

Yep. Here we go. Bersketta. Come on. Oh, that looks fucking. Oh, keep going down. I'm going to guess. I'm not closing my eyes.

Calamari. Boom! What the fuck? That's crazy. You got, you, you already know the menu by heart. That's fucked up, dude. Yeah, I was looking at old photos. Oh, that's the best one.

This one's, uh, uh, uh, fuck What's it called? It's called like rigatoni al-A-Rachel. It's literally everything. So you get chicken parm underneath that's like homemade meatballs, sausage, and like an eggplant parm too with the rigatoni and like a nice sauce. Fucking rigatone. Oh, Vince, where we going for lunch, dog?

Fuck. Somewhere? So good. There's, I mean, you're surrounded by Mexican food currently. I love Mexican food. So this, I mean. And it's all gluten-free, pretty much. Corn tortillas.

Ooh, me and jade is spina. fucking vegan spot a couple days ago. So you like, you like that since you have like a gluten thing. Yeah, yeah. I had vegan for breakfast, so I'm like a more more meat somewhere. We'll see. Yeah, I was looking at older photos of you. Man, he was kind of, dude, he was kind of chubby.

Congrats, man. Thanks, man. Yeah, you know, slimmed down a little bit, you know. Yeah, I remember coming home for a few tours, you know, like I'd go home, see my family. My mom'd be like, look a little thick. The mom told you? Yeah, you know, my mom tells you. You gotta be like, all right, you know, I gotta like hit the gym a little bit.

You got a problem. Come on, you know. Where can people find you? People can find me, you know, on the internet, David. David. Davidson's my Instagram there. I'm on, I got like a YouTube channel. I think it's like Dave Davidson Guitar. My website should have all my links.

That's Dave, I think it's Dave DavidsonGatarr.com. I'm bad with that shit, but there you go. Yep. I'm like, maybe a little moderately thick there, but like not too bad. Yeah, you're like, You made a switch. It's the beard. You know, sometimes the beard can be deceptive.

You know, it goes out this way a little bit. Oh, yeah. Add a couple. The camera adds, you know, a few pounds anyway. Oh, yeah. A few dozen pounds for sure. Sometimes. What about how the, so many chicken palms I have?

What about the band? Revocation. You know, you can find us where, you know, the usual suspects there. Yeah. Instagram. I think Revocationband. has most of our shit up there, like tour dates and social links. Gargoyle, I think it's Gargoyle band on Instagram.

Paladvale doesn't have a Instagram or any shit like that because we're just too fucking cult and brutal, dude. Too fucking cult, dude. That's going to be the next band, you know, someone in high school. Have you heard Palisville? No, that band's fucking weak, dude. Oh, yeah. But they really know.

But they don't want other people to know because it's that. You know what? That's a great close. If you're in high school or junior high, don't fucking tell someone not to listen to death metal. Don't gate keep, dude. We need more people coming to the show. We need more death metal fans and more jazz too. Fuck it. You know what? That's the main plug. People need to listen

to jazz, dude. Those chorus you're playing looked fucked. Gourguts and cold trade. If you just have those two. Cold train. You got it all. You got it all. That's it. That's it. Appreciate it. All right, I want that's it. Later. debate records of with the form of the pay

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