Garza Podcast - 205 - GUILT TRIP: Riffs, UK Hardcore Scene & World’s Biggest Circle Pit

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

Garza sits down in-person with Tom Aimson & Jak Maden. From Manchester, UK crossover hardcorel band GUILT TRIP. New single “Burn” out now! https://linktr.ee/guilttriphc00:00 - Growing Up in Manchester02:33 - Moho Live Burning Down06:06 - Manchester Academy/University07:59 - Riff: Burn13:13 - Severance15:25 - Machine Head & Metal in England19:08 - Meeting on Fortnite22:25 - Growth of UK Hardcore Scene26:10 - Jak’s Early Influences & Learning Guitar31:17 - Moshing34:39 - Tom Learning Drums & Guitar38:50 - Jak & Tom’s School Experience41:49 - Deleting First Album // Almost Quitting48:37 - Riff: Thin Ice58:33 - Tom’s Snare Tone1:05:26 - Why Tom Quit Weed1:11:00 - Adidas Impact on Culture1:20:22 - Sublime Shirts1:22:18 - Riff: Burn1:29:27 - Jackson Guitars1:34:11 - Roadrunner Records1:35:24 - Claiming the World’s Biggest Circle Pit

I've been blessed with great eyes. Me too. Thankfully, man. Oh, yeah. Our other guitarist can't see at all. Well. He can't? No.

Not without his glasses, yeah. Oh, poor guy. It's why he wears glasses. Yeah. That explains it, right? That's it. Poor guy, man. Do you go a trip in the house on a day off?

Yeah. Yeah, last day. Tom. Yeah. Jack. Yeah. Guitar player and drummer, Ripper. That's right.

Thank you, man. Thanks for having us. I'm awesome. How's having us, bro. Oh, any time. Not, not only, uh, day off, but last day. Yeah. When, when do you guys take off?

Tonight, yeah. 9 p.m. 9.m. 9.m. Yeah, we're going. Going back to Manchester. L.A.X. Yeah.

Yeah. And Tom, you're from, uh, you're from Manchester proper and you're from Oldham, correct? Oldham, which is north Manchester. Yeah. I'm from McEllsfield, south of Manchester. So. Okay.

Yeah. It's like Jack's north. I think northeast and I'm just like a bit further south so okay yeah how is it uh how is it growing up outside of Manchester um it's great um it's it's shaped everything for us I think just with the music that comes out of there yeah growing up was pretty good um especially our era where everybody was playing outside as kids yeah yeah I grew up on a small estate until I was a kid, and then we moved to like an area where there's a lot more houses

and everyone that went to my school lived in that area. So I got a lot of friends around there, and we just played out every day and messing around digging things and digging up soil and collecting bugs. Collecting bugs and trees. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Used to collect bugs.

Yeah. All your ban all makes sense, collecting bugs. Yeah. So this is a, this is pre-riff. Yeah, this is all pre-riff. This is when we're like five years old. Right, lucky really. Like, I had a direct train line into Manchester for when, you know, you start going to gigs and meeting other people into music and stuff.

And I think it's the same for Jack. It was just like a tram, tram stop away. So once you're like the age to go to shows and stuff, it was dead easy. So, so you're starting going to shows at like a 14, correct? Yeah, 13, 14, I think. Nice. And you're going to the, uh, guerrilla, Norris. Oh, right, on a, on a Withmore and Oham. Yeah, yeah.

Right. We've got Star and Garter and, uh, there was one called a Moho Live, NQ Live, which burnt down. Why didn't it burn down? Saw that. Yeah, dude. Something happened? Yeah, there was a hairdresser around the corner.

A hairdresser? Yeah, hairdresser is right. So it's all connected to one. I didn't know this story actually, why it burned down. They're burning hair or something. So basically what happened was a guy just flicked a cigarette. It was a really hot summer's day. Um,

The cigarette somehow ended up going into the hairdressers. No. Somehow connected up to something, that a bit of hair on the floor or something. And then the whole building went up. And this was like, so it was Afflex Palace, which is like a huge alternative, like marketplace. So, man, T-shirts and stuff. Is it? Is it?

Is it? Afflex is on the left. Afflex is that, yeah, this one, yeah. So the whole building went up. And I think it, basically, that built in the middle, the whole thing went on fire. And the venue is in the basement. so that was just like the worst of it got the worst of the um oh that's a fire dude yeah there was a show on that day i think i can't it was a band called alpha omega or alfran omega hardcore band and

there was loads more like local ukr hardcore bands on that show as well and we were all walking around ready to go to the show and we walked past the venue that was just up in fucking flames couldn't believe it yeah it was insane sucks dude it was wild such a good place as well don't think I ever went to a shore there. Did they ever find the person that dropped a cigarette, do you think? I don't think so, no. I mean, it all went back to that one hairdressers. Because that would be arson.

Well, technically, yeah. Even if it is an accident, can't you get charged for that? I don't know. Maybe. Because if an accident, you're dropping a cigarette, but the whole fucking building lights up on fire. Dude, it was bad damage, yeah. you know dude every time i i uh i put out my uh cigar outside i always trip out on like the little ashes yeah yeah every single day i'm like i'm gonna make sure the shit's out because i just see

hear hear you stories of like someone dropping a cigarette or a little ash and like all it takes is a little i guess now hair yeah yeah and my hair is everywhere so it's just fucking i've been more aware of it here as well because of the the weather you know the heat and stuff in america and just like one little bit of ash can just you know we can cause a massive you know Oh man. Massive issues. So everywhere I've been on this torch, you've been like, right, put it out in the bin.

Make sure you do that. That sucks, dude. So you were there and you saw it, trying to see a fucking breakdown, dude. Yeah, yeah, it was wild. Yeah, there was loads of shows on at that venue. I mean, I went to, can't think of exactly how many I went to,

but the first time I saw my Lev when they were only a tiny band was in that venue. My level had opened up for like an all-day festival. you had all UK bands on and I think they only had three tracks at the time just the little EP thing the two track single

that's right three track yeah yeah so seeing some some good shows there unfortunately that's gone but most venues in Manchester are kind of all shut down now or have been you know turned into flats and tower blocks and stuff so

you know what I noticed from bands I'm hoping you guys will build on it because I didn't think about this until this morning and what I kept hearing about these venues and no one, all the bands I talked to that are from there, never talk about the college. Is that like a thing? What, what do you mean?

Manchester College, yeah, music college. Yeah. I went to Manchester Music bass. Because they have shows there, right? We do at the university. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, right, yeah. Academy, right, yeah. And they have like three. That's the Academy, yeah. Academy. Yeah. People that I talk to from there never talk about. place. Oh, we love it. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. I thought there was like some beef up with that

venue because no one ever, oh yeah, I was into this venue. I went to the Spanish and no one ever talks about the university. It's just, it's not a grassroots thing. It's not really like, okay. But yeah, sorry, college in the UK is university. University, yeah. Yeah, our university and our college is like 16 to 18. Is that like, okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. So what would you call that one 16 to 18? Is that high school? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So high school for us is your middle school, I think, I believe.

11 to 16. Yeah. Yeah. Junior high is seven to eight grade and high school is nine to 12 grade. Right. And anything at the 12 is college. It's mad confusing. Right, yeah.

I mean, that's just, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we like the academies. I think there's four, isn't there? Close one, two, and three. One's disconnected. That's the one on its own. Oh yeah.

Yeah, yeah, there's three's on the top floor. Two is the bigger one in that building, then clubs downstairs. But seeing some insane shows at club. Like, that's one of the first venues I went to when I was younger. Okay. Or the never say di Tours were there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, nice. Yeah.

Just so I, because I'm, I'm the worst of this. I'll, like, talk to someone for, like, an hour or two. And then I'll just, I'll forget to talk about, like, the songs or, like, their records. So, uh, so you guys dropped this song called Byrne. Yeah. in in September right yeah yeah it was the day after we landed in America yeah it was the day before our first American show yeah it just worked out that way nice we've been opening up to it on the tour it's been sick nice yeah it's craziest week of our lives I think it was

it was unbelievable yeah like we landed I've one day to chill single released you know biggest single we've ever put out oh nice and just to know the busiest time for it. And then, yeah, straight into full Americans all first time. So, yeah, it was a bit crazy, but it's worked out amazing. Singles doing really well, so. Okay, so you guys got home and then, and then you recorded it? No, we put it, we put it out just as we got here.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, got it. Yeah, yeah. Nice, man, congrats. What do, I was going to ask you, uh, Jack, what's that fucking, what is that top string riff? It's a very simple, like, is it the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. The chorus one or the intro riff? Intro rip.

The intro riff. That one. This one. Yeah. It's quite funny. I didn't actually write that riff. When we did our Australian tour with Kublai Khan, I left to go to Japan at the end with my girlfriend. Of course.

And I came back to the UK who was carrying on writing. and our singer wrote it by singing it he did? Yeah he was like Yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah it was me and Jay in Brisbane

We were just walking down the road And we just had this idea for this like Just the chorus basically It was just that you know He had the the riff idea And then we started doing the sort of vocal vocal flow and it was done like that And then we got back to the hotel

And just yeah put it down and they had me interface with me so oh wow yeah yeah it's just like that yeah i don't know where it came from he just we just had this bounce in our heads we were just going down the road like yeah and he uh you came up with it there so yeah it was great yeah what's that riff uh i'll show you it's really simple um we've had a lot of people tag us in videos of it and play the wrong harmonics always wrong so the harmonic is the third fret Just after the third threat. Oh.

That's the hard one to hit. Yeah. You've got to, the best way I find is just after the threat. You get a bit more ring just after the fret. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally like a millimeter change. Yeah, that kind of blew me away.

Yeah. Yeah. And it just sounds better. I always struggle with those ones. Yeah. We've got a few. Go trip. Thank you.

Yeah. and so it's so and then it's yeah you have like a little tag in there's cool oh of course yeah yeah

oh okay so the same yeah thing twice so it's the third time you're in the arm on it you do the double um yeah

yeah see it sounds see these are the most fascinating your wrist because it sounds simple but when you add those little things that kind of miss your brain go like your brain goes like what?

Yeah. But you have to kind of sit there for like five. But once you get like five minutes yeah, I want to do it now because I don't want to bore people. But it adds that little bit.

It adds little something. Yeah. But dude, thank you for that harmonic tip, dude. Yeah. I'm going to use that. I always fuck up those harmonic. Stain,

the band Stan has a lot of those harmonics. I always fuck them up. I mean, they've got a riff that is just a harmonic. The, um, is it more trouble? Oh yeah, yeah.

He's like, probably around there. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's it. It's a fucking sick-ass trip, dude. Yeah, just a harmonic riff.

We love harmonics. Down to machine at that, I think. Of course. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what. So your last breaker came out, severance, 2023. Yeah. What, uh, 296 harmonics?

Yes. Okay. Cool, man. Yep. I actually sat and counted. That includes the pinch. Did you, okay, but I thought it was a joke. Did you really sit down and count?

Yeah. How many's in the title track in Severance? It's somewhat ridiculous. Probably. That takes up most of the album. Yeah. It's stupid. Yeah.

I think we went ham on them. People love it. Amed up, dudes. Go hammed up. Yeah. People really enjoy it. Manchester likes ham, so this is, you know. Straight up.

That's it. Yeah, it's been great. Definitely keeping the harmonics. Do it. Hey, Jack, real quick, I got a, earlier on in my career, someone told me, you guys used too much harmonics. No. And I took that with quotations, advice, and I look back, I'm like, you shouldn't listen to that. Yeah.

Because now bands, the past five years, harmonics everywhere. I'm like, why did I listen? and why didn't I not follow my gut? I want to put harmonics, but I'll purposely not put them in the riff because someone says, oh, you guys like, it's too many harmonics,

but I'm like, that's what I want to play. And you guys fucking, the way you should have done, you fucking lead into it. Yeah, so good. So, yeah, so, um, yeah,

they've been there. Since the beginning, we've had them, uh, since the first EP, 10 years ago. And even earlier than that before we was guilty, we were doing him.

Um, and then we just doubled down on it. Double down. Yeah. Triple down. Yeah, triple down on it. I mean, 200 is. Yeah.

As long as are the right ones as well. Sometimes it can be, you know, a little less tasteful. But don't force them, but if they belong in there, dude. Yeah. Yeah. And those like those machine head style harmonics are really hard to hit as well. Yeah. I still struggle.

Definitely. I had to practice with that. But I think machine head have the best pinch harmonics. Mm-hmm. Ever, especially on the blackening. Yeah. Something about the way they recorded and the way it's mixed is just like seconds and on. Yeah, it's insane. It's the best. What's that record? What's up with the machine head in England?

Is there like a thing? Honestly, I think they're probably bigger in England than. Yeah, what is it about where you guys live? I don't know, but just do metal heads. If they like a band, they're obsessed, like the diads. I'll always remember when I first saw machine head in 2011 on the Locust Store they did a 10,000 cap in Manchester to GMX Unbelievable what is it Dude it was insane and the whole crowd was outside

Before doors queuing up literally must have been like 8 to 9,000 people I don't know if the show was fully sold out But just chatting the machine fucking head thing Wow over and over for like an hour I just wonder what is it about that like the area of the world. I don't know. That was also an incredible show.

In Manchester particularly, they've always had insane shows. Manchester's great for metal. I think what's really funny is there's not many bands from Manchester metal bands, but it can be the biggest show on a metal tour. Quickest to sell out.

Not loose, do the biggest shows there. Manchester and London, but malevolence, they're going on. tour right now and Manchester has sold out. Oh great. Um, it's mad, but there's no bands. We've got ingested guilt trip. That's it. I think that's it. Yeah, because you're, shout out the other one from all them. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tortured demon. Tortured demon. So where's a great name, where I live, it's such a small little area like a village. And, um, this band randomly followed us. And we checked them out and the six. And the

and they've been doing it for quite a while and they're really young. Yeah. The vocalist is like 19. Yeah. They've already played festivals and shit. Doing really well. It's just straight up metal. So yeah, we're really happy that like there's another band in our area that are doing it.

Yeah, we saw the vocalist, didn't we? We were driving down the road after a writing session and we were like, sure, that's that lad from Tortured Demon. Let's pull up and say what's up, not to scare him or anything, pulled up in the car. I was like, you had a torture demon guy who's like, fucking hell, yo, it's a guilt trip. Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, it's hilarious. Had a good conversation with him. But yeah, they're killing it.

Doing really well. But other than that, man, it's just. Yeah, because I think I've heard you, Tom, talk about, there was like a golden era in 2012 with Manchester. And it's kind of like, and ever since then, it's like what the fuck happened? In hardcore, particularly, yeah. I mean, when we started going to shows, Manchester was kind of the spot. Leeds always held the crown for UK hardcore.

But Manchester, like, if you went to a show at Stangarter at that time, you know, it changed your fucking life. Yeah. And then flash forward to 2014, two years later, and the Hamsway came, I remember. Switching Tongs did a show a month after, and there was literally, must have been 15 people in that venue for each show. And they released, I mean, Hamsway released, Ruhmysm. which was only their biggest albums at the time. Great line-up as well. You know, local bands on as well and just no one came.

So it just flipped like that. Why? I don't know. No idea. But it didn't start coming back up until about 2018, 19, when hardcore in general across the world sort of had that big resurgence, yeah. It was really rough when we started out. And you guys, yeah, so you guys have been a band for probably exactly 10.

years right yeah yeah okay so that's so yeah it is around that time that started started playing music around the same time about the word started playing music at the worst time yeah right yeah it was really difficult but it definitely gave us thick skin and oh yeah rode out the really hard times and I feel like it's made us a better band we can work a crowd better you know we we played to three people a lot oh yeah we when we see a full room we're not what we're doing with it now. Just appreciate it, yeah.

We were playing shows in 2013. Because you and the singer and she were having planned together for like 12 years. Yeah, so it's been, yeah, right, okay. And then we met Tom. We met you at a show in Preston, which is not too far from Manchester. 2014, won't it? Was it nasty? Nasty show, yeah.

Nasty from Belgium was over. Oh, cool. sentenced. Yeah. There was like a slam. Ingested played that as well. Did they? Ingestive run that tour.

Oh no, sorry, it was a crania. Crania. Jack's old band. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Did your other band? Yeah, my first band opened, Hell Confirement. We did one show.

Yeah. That was it. That was the career. One show. I was like, well, what was that? I would have been 14 or 15 or something. Yeah. You know.

Did you record anything? Yeah. It was dog shit. All. programmed drums though I wasn't on the recording I just like joined the band for one show because they needed a drummer oh okay but they were from Blackpool which is like an hour and a half away and obviously I'm 15 years all I can't drive or anything so it's just like yeah short-winded career with that band but yeah there you go there's one of the shows we didn't play yeah oh yeah we just didn't do it I think that show got cancelled actually it did yeah it did yeah was that uh um would have been on that as well look yeah control that sam's old band our other guitarist was in crowd control. We didn't know him at this point. We met Sam on Fartnight, which is quite funny. On what night? Fartnight. The game.

Fartnight. Fartnight? Fartnight. Fartnight. Oh, we got to say. Oh, okay. Sorry. Sorry. Okay. Disclammer. Okay, go on. My accent is really thick for, I come from Oldham, which it's got its own accent. So if you don't understand me, I will not take offense. No, no, you got, no, you got, you got, you got really good. Anybody listening? I'm the idiot. I apologize. Yeah, we met him on Fortnite.

We was playing with some mutual friends and Sam joined the lobby. And then we just got talking and we realized he was into the same music. We needed a bassist at the time. Because our old bassist was going away for like, inevitably on like moving away. Oh, wow. So Sam joined on bassist. and then eventually he was on guitar. Yeah, pretty crazy.

And what year was this with Sam? 2018, yeah. Okay, yeah. Yeah, it's been a long time now, yeah. Seven years ago. Seven years. That's the one. I wouldn't advise playing it, but that is the one.

Yeah. The artwork's pretty cool. Yeah. Just like that, dude. I actually bought one of the like five tapes that they printed, they made. um on ebay like six months ago i could not believe my eyes when i saw it on ebay so i just had to get um how much it's like two pounds okay i don't think like oh i fucking like like a hundred no no one has a clue about that okay you know what i love the name actually i think it's pretty

good yeah it's good the artwork was sick for the time as well but hell hell confinement another another cool name yeah shout out those guys i've not spoken to any of them in about 10 years, I don't think so. Yeah, good guys. Are they still around the scene? I don't think so. In fact, I've seen the vocalists at one of our shows. Yeah.

You know him, don't you? Jay knows him. Yeah, right, yeah. Jay knows him. He popped up at one of our shows like a year and a half because I was like, fucking hell. Good to see you. You know what I mean?

That's cool. Yeah. Yeah, how do you guys feel about the hardcore scene? You guys kind of got my brain, like, jogged up. It's like you, there's like a movement, right? and then I don't know where there's 15 people did the same people from the golden era come back around in different bands

or was it a whole new wave in different bands yeah it's hard to say over that time yeah I think it's hard to say if they went away maybe they've got busy for a couple years it's like I put it this way when I was at that rotting out show in 2013 half the people there

at that age went on to start new bands in completely different styles. Oh, okay. At some point after. But then there was a lot of them that just never came again. I remember seeing people at that show and shows after that, that you just never saw them after that. But the new sort of wave when younger people were getting into it, I'd say started, like I said before on, 2019, maybe 2020.

And then obviously these days, it's just like... Who the fuck? Insane. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, yeah. Back then you could probably know everyone in the room because there was only 20 people. But now, I guess, there's too many people. Not too many, sorry, too many to remember.

It's amazing what's happened. We've been to shows recently, haven't we, where we've gone. We don't know a single person. It's good. It's a great thing. It's growing. Really good thing. It's massive now, man.

And I feel like I knew it was going to happen because really people were just so bored of like what was there and I knew hardcore was going to have like a big revival because it's just so exciting. Yeah. And you know you've got turnstile sort of paving the way and like blending them styles. It was always going to happen man. The kids now that are getting into it, they're really young and. I wish I was into it that young. There's kids that come out of shows that are like 12 years old. Yeah.

And they're hard mashers, especially in Belgium. Oh, dude. There's that one kid in Belgium, man. He's, wow, he gets up those guest vocals. He comes to shows on his own with his mates. And, yeah, he's hard as fuck. Like, I don't know how at that age, but you see him in the pit. Yeah.

They're like fine out. Do spin kicks and butterfly kicks. They were running. They were running. They were running the show. Yeah, there was like six of them, just these kids. and they just owned it. Yeah.

Yeah. Taking over the stage and shit. So they're fine it. Um, through a younger age than you guys. Cause what, uh, Jack at 10, you, you moved out with your, with your mom and your sister, right? Yeah. And then, and then your sister showed you, uh, the cooks, right? Yeah.

Yeah. And, yeah. And then it was a couple years later when you found like the casualties and then that's, that's when you found the guitar, correct? Yeah. Yeah. So, we moved into like a. a rental house while my mum was looking for a permanent house to buy.

And it was around the time that indie music was really blowing up. And I feel like it's the first time I got into guitar music. I could hear my sister playing it and then suddenly I wanted a guitar and like everything my mom expected me to get it and then put it back down. Because I did a lot of that picking up new hobbies. and I was begging and then she was right

I got it and for the first year because I couldn't do it instantly I didn't want to put the work in and then I can't remember what switched it for me but I think I got managed to play a song finally

and I was like right this is sick so then I started really practicing got a tutor and then my tutor was away on holiday, I think. And I had to go with his friend

whilst he was away and he was a metal head. So he was playing Metallica and shit. And then he showed me, um, it was probably nothing else matters, like an ease into it. Yeah. And I'd never heard anything like it.

And then I went on YouTube, Metallica. And then discovered snuff by slip knot. And then that, it just went like that. Yeah. Random. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. it was like in the suggested and i was like slip not no i used to see their t-shirts at school some kids had have them on and i'd think like what a freak yeah and now they're like a massive influence but yeah yeah it was i guess it was just set out it's quite lucky so my guitar tutor went away so yeah so yeah so you had a tutor yeah and it's by it's by weird coincidence yeah they had to go out of town and the new one came in

Yeah. Here, here, we would call them a sub. A sub. A substitute. Yeah. So it's weird. It's lucky. Yeah, it's lucky.

Yeah, really lucky. I hope. That's cool. Maybe I would have made my own way if that didn't happen. Mm-hmm. But I'm glad that it happened that way and I got into it early. Started learning Metallica riffs. Did you ever try to play some casualty songs at all?

No. No. No. Um, I tried, I started playing a lot of Paramar at one point. I think that was before. Paramore? I think that was before Metallica. Okay.

My sister was really into Paramar. Okay. Um, and Casabian. Who? Things like that. Casabian. Okay. They are British, aren't there?

Oh, the British, yeah. Yeah. British indie band. Okay. Sick. They were like the biggest thing in the world in the UK at a certain time. Guitar heavy. Yeah.

Okay. Nice. Yeah. Tight. When you hear something like that, you're like, the guitar is what stands out. And then you're like, I want a guitar. Yeah. That's how it happened for me.

Yeah, you got me. I heard you talk about the Carol T's and I was like, oh, you know what? I'm just going to put them on right now. Yeah. I was like, damn, I fucking forgot, dude, how fucking sickless ribs are. It's wild. I'm going to start running a few of them. I thought, I thought, well, I wonder if Jack's running those songs.

it would it would explain the chops yeah you're all fucking chopped up dude i think um our our early stuff was really influenced by mostly metallica weren't it the the earlier guilt trip i was on such a metallic a train for a while if you listen to the interlude you'll definitely tell yeah yeah we loved it and then we used to open up with rome as well didn't we we used to open up to To wherever I may our own Metallica, like our own rendition. With like a really fast two-step part and then a breakdown. And a lot of people thought it were our song. Dude, yeah.

A lot of people on this tour think Davidian is our song. Oh, yeah. Because we close the set with like part of the, part of Davidian. Do you really? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Every day.

Nice. We do the first verse up until let freedom ringing and then we just drop the breakdown. Yeah. Yeah. It's like cuts it all into one. Oh, you know, a nice little. segment is sick yeah it's good uh it's good uh homage it's great and um rob slim was at our first u s show he was he was there stood watching us oh yeah and i said to him we're we're playing

davidian at the end of the set he didn't believe us yeah and then we start dividian and i look out to the crowd and he was at the edge of the pit rob flin is in the pit whilst we're playing davidian nor one of around him noticed. No, no, no. But imagine you're just stood next to him, watching Gilt Trip cover Davidian and you look and Rob Flynn's next to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was sick.

That was the fun of moshing to your own breakdown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's another bucket list thing I want to do. Yeah. I'm sorry, if I hear someone's play a Micey, I'm going to put it. I've done that twice. I've moshed for Gilt Trip twice. One time in 2016, when we're told we,

madball my guitar all the strings broke okay didn't have a spare i was like i'm getting in the pit instead and then yara on air the festival in neverlands this year oh the stage just got invaded it was like a nor barrier tenant they came over the the stage diving decks at the front over the monitors my quad got just trompled on so it turned off Oh wow So whilst it was turning on I just Just got in there

It's funny It's fun and got in there It's either that Or stand looking at the screen Watching it load up The whole band were missing During that part of the set Like I remember just shouting

Where the fuck is Sam Like I could see JJ Was on my riser Sort of protecting himself From crowd Jack was God knows where And Sam was I was like

Where is Sam I need him I can't hear anything It was just fucking wild Man At least like 150 people On the stage they're about to call it off weren't they? Yeah, they almost cut the show.

I think there is a video of it on there. Yeah, it should be around there. It's the one... That's the show. Bottom right to this area of the page. Oh, your fucking quads gone. That one there, that's it. That's my Raybam's footage of it.

Yeah, my quad was just destroyed. See, that's always the worry of my... If I, that to have your main tone in front of you, it's still kind of a new feeling. I love it's right there, but what does someone have jumped on the stage? It's not like protected in the back. Yeah.

But they'd jump on it. Like, there's no tone. It's gone. How many times does it happen this year to you? Me. Even like a show like this, I can blame myself. Even though we didn't invite this, we just played in, I can't remember which city it was. Massive Room, Barrier.

Yeah. You think, yeah, quad at the front. It's going to be fine. Yeah. Some kid stands on the barrier. jumps, clears the gap. All right, right into the pillow quad, grabs the stage and just pulls all my cables out.

Oh, cool. Oh, it's like, even with a barrier, it's getting ripped apart. I can't escape it. And it's always me, never Sam. It's literally always, yeah. Most of happened at least five times this year. We keep on going, how is this happening again? Even with the barrier, it's insane.

Yeah. Has it happened twice this thought? It has. I can't remember what the other one was. They just can't fucking believe it every single time. I'm like, people don't want us to play anymore. Yeah. Someone's trying to sabotage set.

Yeah. Oh, it's wild. So it's too violent. Yeah. It's too violent. How did you, Tom, how did you start playing drums, man? Oh, dude. I started it, I remember tapping away at like four years old.

Four years. And then sort of forgetting about the whole idea of it up until eight years old. I think my mom always wanted me to play an instrument. he's massive into music. Yeah. And I think I must have just said, I want to start playing drums. So we got lessons through some guy in my hometown.

And then he started teaching me like funk stuff. There's a band called Tower of Power. So he was in like a funk band doing covers. So he taught me loads of funk and soul. And then he was also a metal head sort of like on the side. He wasn't like a main, that wasn't his main genre. But I remember saying to him was like,

I want to try and learn some slip knot. I got into metal like quite young. And he, I remember his face lighting up and he was like, oh, right, okay, this is going to change things. So what a foundation to have though? Yeah, 100%. What was someone that stuff that, uh, that he was teaching you? Like first like, you know, you're talking like your first, so your first take, are you taking lesson with like zero?

Pretty much. Yeah. I don't even fucking do a beat right now. Yeah. I think I learned quite quick. And then I remember the first song I learned was, um, it was either sweet. child and my the paradise city i remember being massively into guns of roses and i think that was like in the first 10 lessons i remember i was like i want to learn this can you teach you me instead of doing

all this basic stuff um taught me that and it moved quite fast so and then i was with him for three years and i sort of stopped and started teaching myself so i think i must have been 11 12 when i started just jamming and learning everything myself yeah okay um playing a lot of metal core death core you know try to teach myself the fast stuff so oh yeah yeah that was pretty much it and then from there i just just went on it's went on yeah yeah did you did you keep any of the uh funk and soul stuff quite a lot yeah um that sort of came back into my style when i started listening to bands like you know all the metalcore bands like august burns red and texas in july those drummers adam gray and matt griner um because they're quite gospel focus

as well. So I took a lot of the rudiments and stuff from those guys. So that all came back into when you hear that in metal, do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Alex Ruding is the same. He's got all these chops and stuff. Yeah, I think once you, you find those drummers and you like best of both worlds, put them together. So it makes sense. Yeah. I've always tried to keep all that in by playing. Okay. Yeah. And then you kind of like, so, so from what I, what I found out is that you kind of learn guitar out of nowhere and then you like surprised like the yeah i remember i it's like is i where these riffs

come from yeah i um i started teaching myself when i was in my old band called screw loose when we be younger like a hardcore band and i just i knew how to write riffs in my head i just needed to get them out somehow so i bought a it's a viper ltd viper off a friend at the time um for like 150 pounds didn't know how to restring it or anything i just had these shitty strings on and just started learning barcores basically. Yeah. Um, and yeah, I've just been playing for like six, seven years. The only thing is I can't play stood up with a strap on.

I have to like literally sit down and, and, you know what I mean? Um, I just sit down on rock. Yeah. But yeah, I just try my best to teach myself. Um, just to write and then it's just gotten to where it has. So, so, so, so you had a briffs in your head. Yeah, 100%. Like, I was always always wanted to write tunes.

Because I started using logic in high school. You know, I did music class there, and they started teaching us how to write songs and put stuff together. And I went to music college and did the same thing with production. Did you? Yeah. So, yeah, I just needed to get it out some way. I always thought I'd have to just midi it in on some form of, you know, like keyboard guitar thing. And I was like, I'm not doing this shit.

I've got to try and learn somehow. Where'd you go to school? Went to a Catholic college. Hello Hallows and after that I went to Sheena Simon Manchester College for music performance and production on a B-set level so okay it was a good place it was like a lot of I mean same with Jack he went to you know a music college within the center of Manchester you get to be around a load of other everyone just comes in from different areas you know different musicians with different styles and all the tutors were legitimate musicians in different fields you know

We had like DJs that were doing sets on Friday nights to come back into college and do the full week. And then the headmaster of that college was in a band called A Certain Racial, which is quite a legendary Manchester band. So we had all these guys that have been doing it, you know, in the field. So it was quite a lot. Okay. So it was like a sought after school for like music. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, I mean, Manchester College was a bit shit in general.

Like it's just the normal, the basic Manchester College with all sorts of different. subjects but the music side of it was sick yeah it was i i was going to go to that one and then i changed my mind and went to the there's two so me and tom was were like a couple of streets away from each other yeah um i was at manchester music bass which was just a music one and he was at the manchester college but the music section okay um same course though same exact course yeah yeah um honestly it was it was a good laugh um they used to let us leave if we had a gig as well so if we had like oh yeah if we had a show in like four hours away they we wouldn't have to go in that day um if it was like a week day yeah um so i used to just make fake posters um put guilt trip on

flyers and be like yeah we can't come in today no way we started guilt trip at that college You made fake flyers, so you went out to go in school. Oh, that's sick. You still passed, though. I think we knew everything we needed to know already. But you're at that age where you think your tutors don't know anything. And if I met them now, I could probably have a really good conversation with them. Oh, yeah.

Because they had experiences that we've now had. Yeah. But yeah, you think you know it all back then. Of course. Yeah, just made flyers and not go in. How old are both you guys? I'm 30. I'm 27.

Okay, it makes sense. Yeah, we're like, we're like teens in early 20s. Yeah, I know everything. You can't fucking teach me. Oh, dude, yeah. Yeah, definitely that mentality at that time. It sucks.

And no one could tell you different. Yeah, straight up. Yeah. Especially in college. How hard they try. It doesn't matter. You still think that you know better. It's just part of learning, I think.

Yeah, it's just lessons, right? Yeah, yeah. Hmm. Okay, so what happened with the, so you guys rushed your first record, right? Yeah, and then. Sort of, yeah. And then, and then you just scrubbed it.

Yeah. What a fucking move. Yeah. So I joined and you had a record ready, didn't you? We did. Like a full, it was mixing master, everything was done. Yeah.

And then I joined and I think you decided to just start again, I suppose. Yeah. I don't think this is out. anywhere but we we were touring with judiciary in Europe

and we didn't announce it but that was our last tour we was breaking up and it was 2018 we had the record ready we was going to drop it and then play one last show which was an indoor festival

coming up near our hometown and then that was going to be the final show Oh wow, I don't know that So I don't think it's anywhere online So then we play the tour And we all have a discussion And we're like, you know what? This is sick.

What are we doing? We spoke to our label and we said, Can you give us another year And we'll get a new record. Let's scrap the other one. And then Tom joined And we wrote River of Lies And we had a year

About a year to write, card it yeah I'd say a little bit less than that maybe eight months something like that we pulled it off we basically cracked on as soon as we did the not loose tour which was my first run you know that was like me filling in for the old drummer and then joined straight after and we just cracked straight on with the record yeah I think we did don't know how many tracks on the first time the first run to the studio and then we scrapped one of them and went back and did another two.

A few months later. But yeah, it was a really quick turnaround. Yeah. Big mess. Yeah. It's done amazingly for us though, man. Yeah.

What was, so you guys, so you guys were, we're going to break up. Yeah. Yeah, completely. Did you guys already, like,

talk about it? Hey, let's do one more tour. I think it's kind of shot. Our first worker kind of sucks. Yeah. Yeah. It was like a genuine conversation. I left the band first.

Do you leave, leap? I left, I played every show, but I said to everyone, I'm after this tour, I'm out. Oh, wow. I wanted to just drive lorries. You call trucks. I wanted to be a truck driver. You want to be a truck driver?

Yeah, and I was, I, I, I, what a gig. I'd had enough. There was a lot of, like, ups and downs in the band, and it seemed like it was just going down constantly, and I didn't want to let it burn. I was like, let's, let's just put the record out and call it a day and at least end on a middle ground rather than a low

and this is this will be river of lies correct yeah yeah it was what was before river of lies so the record that we did have that was coming out um only one of these tracks was on it which was forked tongue apparition was on it as well apparition was actually yeah like a completely the different version though but we've totally scrapped it we was going to drop it do one last gig and call it a day and then because the tour was so good and we realized people do care still we're like right let's let's at least give them a good record and then we'll break up if we want to let's not put a shitty one out let's spend some time do a good record and see how it goes and then we put this one out and it it just

like give us a new lease of life um i still don't like it we listen back every now and again and we're we're surprised by some parts we're like oh we did well with that one and then the rest we're like just turning it off it's too slow yeah way too slow i don't know what the fuck we were thinking with that i mean but but the main purpose of the record for your band is uh just injected new new uh new life and uh and will and hope though straight up yeah i mean that's this But I mean, how can you know? It's tough to listen to your record like that, but not appreciate like, you know, thin ice.

Yeah, it turned out to be like your biggest. It took a few years to really hit it. Like, I remember only two, three years ago, like if you're talking Spotify streams, I think it got up to like 300K. And then all of a sudden, it just fucking spiked. I don't know whether there's playlist. That's recent.

Yeah, dude. The album wasn't really that successful for the first two. three years. And all of a sudden I just went like that. I don't know whether it was playlists or what on Spotify and it just kept on rolling.

So we're really grateful for that one. It's similar to Kubla Khan with their album. Like it's only just become massive, you know, like Ampile. Things like that. And it wasn't an instant hit for them.

It's just slowly, slowly hit. Thank God for Finns. nice man. I changed our lives, that one song. Yeah. And then we've just bounced off that. Isn't it kind of trip that you're,

what, what you're doing and basically like you're following your dream and your career is based out of like an hour of luck and working. Dude. Right. Exactly. It's weird, it's weird,

it's a weird. Thin ice took us. Yeah, it was like, 20 minutes. Yeah. It must have been. It talked,

we did the, the backbone of it. 20 minutes and then messed around with it. It's fine. How fast we used to write songs back then. Even a couple of years ago on Brain City, you know, we just, just pump them out.

Nowadays, you know, sometimes it takes months. It's insane, yeah. It's wild that it goes, you know, the further you get into writing and,

you know, how strict you get with it. And then some these days can still only take 20 minutes sometimes. And you're like, oh, shit, I can't do this every time. You know, you've got a bang the way it takes.

20 minutes and you're easy yeah like this is this is a banger totally yeah we did a good run we're writing new album now um did a really good run in april where we did like four tracks in four weeks and we were like right oh great let's keep it going we could write two albums um oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i i i could do this and then you're started doing festivals and then we're like yeah slow down a bit now yeah yeah how did uh yeah yeah how did the nice come up was it like did someone bringing a riff or did uh was it like like like a mental idea was tomahai what like what like what happened um you had the beat i had the beat yeah i was sat at home i didn't even have a desk

i was on the edge of my bed i had the ltd yeah i'd written the dook dook doga doga doga and then did the did little little little or something like that it was probably not the exact riff but i had the idea of that intro um just sat on the edge of a bed with a tiny desk like that I was like, hopefully this is going to be sick. I brought it to Jack, and Jack obviously refined the riff and then went from the intro to everything else. Yeah. Yeah, it was sort of based off Marauder.

Yeah. Like, I remember listening to Master Killer of shit at a time, and there's a ton of those sort of straight riffy beats on there. I think there's a couple of tracks which actually start very similar, but just had that in mind. And, yeah, it turned out to be what it did. So you were, did you, Tom, did you sit down first and then the rip idea kind of more, or did you have, were you like making, I don't mean to put you in a spot, but like making English breakfast and then, oh, wait, I have an idea. I think I had to go out at edge my bed. No, I just, sometimes when I start tracks with drums, I just, I don't know, it just, I just put the drums in, midied them in and then tried to do a little riff after that. But I remember pushing.

Because we were trying to write River Lies. I remember pushing to do some stuff on my own just to start with drum beats, you know, just to get ideas across. It was nothing special. I was like, this is, you know, it might be pretty shit, to be honest. It's just, do-to-took-tuck-tac-tac-took.

It's like, it could be pretty crap, but, and then we turned it into what we did. So, yeah. It's, yeah, honestly, it was just me at home, sat on the edge of my bed, trying to do something, really, trying to get anything down for the ideas. Did you feel inspired?

Were you tired? Were you lazy? I can't remember, dude. I just remember listening to my road or a lot. I was like, I want something like that. I was like, yeah, let's get something like this down. We want some riffs. Wow.

Yeah. And then you showed the idea to a Jack? Yeah, I think it would have been. My flat. Yeah. I think. Yeah. You had your office, didn't you, in your flat.

And I'd come up every, I don't know how many times a week. I don't even know if it was once a week. I think it was once a week at that point. Must be once a week, yeah. It was a, what year was that? 2018. I can't even remember any of it, to be honest. I remember, like, certain sections of that writing process,

and that's it. It was just all done quite quickly, so. Do you remember what the rip was first? Oh, God, I don't know. I think it was basically the same thing. It must have been similar. Yeah, everything after that was. That's not my type of riff.

No. It probably was just that, to be honest. And then the didling, dind, dund, dint, dint, d might have been both. of us. Yeah, it was probably the riff it is, actually. It might have probably been changed, yeah. I can't remember. I think we already had the to-y idea.

Yeah. The Lund-dun-dun-dun-dun-bidoo. Those three, I could appreciate, like, when this, because if you have a sick riff, that's a sick rip, when you have two back-to-back, you're like sick, but when you put three back-to-back sick rift, it's just magic. Yeah.

And people can talk to you all they want, but you try it. You guys did it. You fucking three riffs back, back to back to back. Beautiful. And Jack, you know, I'm going to ask you to play the intro riff into. Yeah. I like the intro riff into the first groove, the brum, bum, bum, bum, bump, bump,

into that into the verse riff. Yeah. Yeah. All right, let's do it. It's really easy. You said that about the last one. This tune's like, what, five, six riffs. That's it.

Yeah, literally. It's just. You walk on thing. Nice Yeah, dude Dude, that's a sick riff Yes To that point

Yeah, and then it just kept going Yeah, I'm horned up right now dude What's the harmonic that That you're hitting? It's the G string Fifth fret one Oh you can Yeah

Yeah Sounds so good with two of them Yeah. Yeah. That's what I can do. Yeah. How do you play it? So, I struggle with like the string skipping to your harmonics.

How do you guys play it so cleanly? So, um... Because you go. Yeah. I can't do that. Which thing do you use? I use my index on all harmonics, but the reason I can hit them, like, and do do a lot of string skipping.

It's even like when I'm chugging, I'm muting these three higher strings constantly. My guitar tutor. Always, no matter what I'm playing. I'm playing that, I'm still muting these three with this pinky. And I'm muting the lowest string with my middle finger. And I learned that because my guitar tutor was, so good at that and he forced me to learn to mute no matter where I am on the fret fret board I'm muting so if I'm in like and I learned by sort of strumming all the

strings but playing one knot and learning where you can move your fingers around so if that's still one not like oh wow It's just sort of like learning, but now it's such muscle memory. So I do the same with the harmonics. So it's like, I think when I hit that open, I go straight to that position. It's hard to explain because it's just muscle memory. Yeah, right? It's like, yeah.

Yeah, I must do it subconsciously now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to try that. Shout out to my guitar tutor for forcing it down. Yeah. he didn't play any metal the guy that i was with for a long time but he is um he used to play a lot of um just six solos guns and roses stuff like that yeah and i guess from playing solos with

style you want to be hitting a lot of strings for that scrape and it was um parisium walkways by um god what's his name it's an amazing he's a solo artist guitar player and what he does is on all the bends he's fret it's like picking all the strings into the bends and you can really hear it and he taught me that and i think that might have been why we started to learn to mute because it's like that muted yeah you know the the scrapes yeah sick i'm glad i did it it's great because now uh yeah you you reach you reach a level to where it's subconscious but which is hard It's hard to get to.

Yeah. Well, I need to get there. Yeah, and it helps for recording as well. So you don't have to tape all the strings all the time. And recording is a massive part of getting better at guitar, though. I mean, it was so humble in my first studio session where you're just getting shredded by the guy recording. So if anyone wants to get cleaner at playing guitar, go and record with someone and change it all for you. Nice.

Get bullied. Oh, yeah, it helps, dude. Yeah, you don't want to hear my tracks. There's a fucking noise all around there. So you know what? Let's just make it a part of the sound. I can't fix this. Yeah.

Let's go now. I'm going to try that guy. Harmonics and muting the strings. Yeah. Well, thank you for that. Yeah, no problem, man. Yeah, hell yeah. Hey, Tom, how did you?

Because my, so my original idea was to try to get you guys a jam. Yeah. But literally like this month, we just got new neighbors. So usually this, this is always empty on Sundays. But you guys had that show in LA. But Mondays is also empty. Right. But we had an evening.

Fuck, my. And I was kind of seeing how the schedule is going. I'm like, do they show up on on Mondays? And anything, so last week was like waiting. I'm like, because man, I love, I love the snare tone. Right. It knocks a building down. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm looking a fucking roof off. Yeah. It's, um, I'm using a couple of different ones at the moment. Maypex Black Panthers. I've got the Mattelian snare on on this run. What is it? I'm sorry?

It's called the Metallion Maypex Black Panther. So I think it's a 14-5-5 and then at home I was using the atomizer which is like an aluminium shell. This one was a brass one. I just crank them man.

Just crank them? Just crank the fuck out of them until you can't go any further. That's the, I think it's a trick for most drummers in our field in it. Like, I know Benny's the same from Sooner Army. We just.

You and Benny. Yeah. Like those snares. I'm like, I want to jam these guys. Yeah, dude, you just got to crank it,

man. That's it. Do you ever get scared? Like it's just going to, like the top skin is just going to pop? That's, that's only ever happened twice, right? And it,

it didn't even happen with me. It happened with Nolly in the studio when we were doing the, the last, um, recording session. And I was, we were trying to get to this high point. And I think,

I don't know whether the, the skins we got were a little bit, you know, dodgy or something. but that's the only time that's happened when we've tried recording in the studio. But, yeah, as long as you tune it right, like you do the right star pattern and stuff, you're going to be fine. But, yeah, I always listen to a lot of, you know, death core slam, that sort of stuff, you know.

Yeah. It's always had a massive influence on me. That's cool. Yeah, traditional metals never really had high-pitched snares, I suppose. No, I love those snares. Well, in fact, forget everything. just said about slam and death gop, Chris Adler was always my biggest influence. Just seeing the warbird there, that was the first snare I got, the 12 inch, five by five.

So that's where my influence from high pitch snares comes from. From Chris Adler? Yeah, 100%. He's like my main influence in terms of drumming, like from when I started. He's always had a high, high pitch snare. Oh, yeah. And it's tight, tight drums, tight. I think when I heard first black label, like that was, yeah.

Yeah, that's when you know. No, you want that tone. Yeah, dude, you can't beat him or his drum sound. And I've always wanted to be on vinyl as well. Luckily got the endorsement with them, you know, it's... Trio Pah. Yeah, and I'm Apex as well. So it's got the full Lama God original sound.

It's fucking mint. Yeah, it's sick. But the snare I'm using on this from the battalion is so loud. Like the Atomizer was loud on the Euro festival run. We've just done what this thing's been. Yeah. So it's this brass, right? Yeah.

And you just brash, yeah. And you just crank it. Just crank it. Yeah. I use, um, I've been using an Evans G2 head because you know, you get way more of a ring out of it. It's only, I think it's a two-ply snare head. So it usually meant for Tom's, realistically, G2s, like Tom head. So you just get shits on more ring out of it.

There's no dead, you know. Really? No dead. No dead. Yeah. Yeah. Huh. I mean, they are snare heads, but like a lot of people try and use the HD dries or something, it dampens it where there's like dampening in the head these days.

But yeah, you want that ring, man. You want to fill the space in the venue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to get, dude. Yeah. Is it like a, when you're tuning a snare, is it, is there like a, is there like a feel where, hey, this is, or is it sound and a feel when you're tuning?

Um, I try and, I try and choose. to a specific note that matches our sound. Like sometimes I'll tune to C-sharp. If I can't get that and I want to go higher, I'll just hum some form of note that matches our sound, you know? And if I'm happy there, I'll leave it there. But if I want to crank it more, I'll just try and go, you know, to a little bit higher,

maybe where one of the harmonics sits in the tracks. And it's got to match the sound of the band. because there's nothing worse than a random snare tone, you know, pitch in, in like a band's music. So it's really irritating. So it has to fit with the tuning.

100%. Yeah. I feel that's really important with our music especially. It just adds that bit of class, I think, that no one really thinks about. Yeah. Sounds like something you can't really learn.

He's got perfect pitch. I've not. Well, Sort of. We was in the studio doing severance, and he was tuning his snare up, and then he was like, yeah, it's ready. And then Robin Adams,

who was engineering, was like, this is in C-sharp, this snare. And he was like, oh, that's just the know-what-to-put-it-to-all. And then we were like, right, maybe you've got perfect pitch. The thing is, I don't know if anyone really knows up perfect pitch, even means, you know what does that mean? We were like, what does that mean?

He was like, I don't know, but you've done something. I was like, right, fair. So then we got the tune, he brought like a tuner with him that you can put on the snare, and it was like C-sharp all the way around or whatever. I know what I need to hear. I have no idea what notes even are. See, like I said before, I've never learned music in the theory sense,

especially even when I was playing guitar. I just jam the fucking thing, man. I don't know anything about notes or the scales or anything, but somehow I think I know that C-sharp is. It's got a perfect snare talk. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Drum pitch, I can do. Drum pitch.

Perfect drum pitch. Perfect drum pitch. Yeah. But yeah. Just try and get it to a nice note that sits within our music and leave it there, really. But you've got to have it pinging. Pinging all day. Like, there's no way you can't in metal these days.

If people hear it, if people hear it pink, people get horned up real quick. Yeah. You know. It helps the pit. Oh, totally. Straight up. dude and like you see the instagram comments and stuff oh the snare like you know like as long as you've got it cranked up i had a comment either day saying can you walk me through the the tuning process

it just like crank it man there's no real way to yeah just have the right snare and crank it the right hair crank interesting yeah okay when you stop uh we're talking earlier tom when did you stop uh smoking weed um a few years ago now three or four years ago i think just got to a point i was in spain um obviously where it was legal and you know i just just had that moment i think you know just smoked too much of it i was like right i'm gonna get back home and i think i'm done yeah i used to always you know if i'm in a place where it was legal i'd buy by it we're in canada one time touring and you know you get quite a bit and then you sort of finish the finish the run or holiday roll a big 12 incher and then you smoke it and like right i'm i'm finished after this

this is this i'm done you know what i mean you can't keep on doing this um yeah three years ago it's been yeah very good decision in terms of you know writing music and everything to do with the band you know like i said to you before it i can't imagine playing drums live while smoking now, you know, it's a complete alien feeling. So. Wow. Something that you're so used to doing before, now it seems. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't really imagine how it feels anymore. Yeah. And I guess, uh, so did you, did you struggle because, uh, you thought you had to be hired to a write music? I'd never, strictly.

Um, I always felt like it helped, you know, get my head down. and do stuff but I don't think it probably ever did you know I know yeah when you look back it probably I probably wrote worse shit yeah then I thought you know um but I always thought to concentrate and get my head down at desk you know it was needed but I don't think it really was yeah it's an interesting thing to think about like wonder what I'd write now if I was still smoking but I don't think it yeah I don't think it was very good no no that's cool man it helps you guys split the focus yeah straight up yeah Yeah, we've been as focused as we can be in the last few years, you know.

We want anything to change that, so. Do you drummers or smoking is the worst? Yeah, it's insane. I can't imagine doing that these days at all. Yeah. No, it'd be the same every set a few years ago, and I can't imagine how I'd play or how I'd think going into the set now. It's insane.

Did you ever listen to past, like, videos at all? Yeah, yeah. I'm playing, I'm playing. I'm not playing that. The tunes were so different back then. It's like, I've tried writing such intense drum parts over the last couple of years and trying to hit harder and stuff. Like, can't really notice anything bad about that, you know.

Yeah. One thing I used to do, though, is used to fucking drop sticks like mad. That was the main thing. I don't know whether a grip was, you know, not as good. Oh, he definitely knows, yeah, trust me. Just too, probably too relaxed. Way too relaxed. Not thinking about it focusing at all, you know.

And then things got a bit more serious. But, yeah. used to drop six, and I was like, oh, it's fine. It's like four times in the set you like this.

Got to try and fix this, you know what I mean? Hit too many, too many sub-drops as well. Oh, yeah, dude, I used to go wild

on the sub-dict. I got an SPDSX, the rolling pad. I got it. And I was like, right, this is the sickest thing in the world. Let's go.

Every single breakdown and before the breakdown. Every riff change. Dude, it was sick. I loved it, but it's so shit. And these are like small venues

as well. you know at the time we were probably doing 50 caps and it's just like so stupid you couldn't even hear the guitars because the fucking subjop was every two seconds did you ever get did you get the look look from a jack and sam i was in my own world man like i didn't i wasn't paying any attention and then they said after they like we did like a run with the first time i had the sped and he said after like you've got to cut this down man i was like what what do you mean it's fucking sick it's like we've got subjops man this is what we've always wanted and they were like dude we can't hear anything like you can't hear the guitars i was like oh shit right okay um but yeah

i've toned it down a bit but the sub drops i have now are fucking ridiculously loud i lent my sped to isaac last night from from uh kublai because they're um their pedal that eric uses broke or something so i lent it to him last night and in the palladium in the dressing room you've got the TVs showing the live performance oh yeah he hit my main one in the middle, which is the big boy. Yeah. The fucking screen shook. Like, it went blurry.

Yeah, it went blurry saying the cameras. And Nick was saying that is a, something was moving. It's maybe, I don't know whether he uses a quad or something. This is quad. Yeah, the quad was just shaking across the stage. So, yeah, cut back a lot. But the ones that do have are ridiculous. Oh, cool.

Yeah. Got one of them big boys. Nice. Yeah. I'm sure everyone's much happier now. Yeah, I think so. Oh, yeah. We've got a good, good balance now.

Yeah. So when we do it and it really counts. Yeah, we've got a front of house engineer as well, Harvey. He's learned how to balance them out in the set. Well, there was that one video of us playing brutal assault in Czech Republic. Yeah, he's got the video, Harvey. I don't have it, but it's one of them where the audio just... It's ridiculous.

He was filming it from front of house. Yeah. He's just got... Like the whole thing just... You can't hear the band. It's just, yeah. It's insane. Hell yeah.

Dude, how did you guys got your own Adidas? Yeah. That is so sick. You shout out to a Joe Ling and a Ben. Yeah. And that's good. Love them guys. With those the guys that helped you?

Yeah. Because they were a fan of the band. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. It's such a weird crossover with them. Like on a different note.

So it kind of feels like it was meant to be really. I don't, we met them in 2019, didn't we, when we played in Germany. You met them. Oh, yeah, yeah. They came to our show years. We'd forgot all about that. Yeah. We didn't meet them properly.

They were just fans that came to our show. And then we met up again. You met a minute. That's fucking sick, doing Lamb of God, right? Yeah, I went on tour with malevolence and Lamb of God. I was doing merch for Mulev. Oh, wow. And some guy comes up to me and he's like, are you in Guildtrip?

And I was like, yeah. And he was like, what the fuck are you doing here? Like thinking I'd be like some rich guy because my band has a couple of followers. And I was like, dude, this is just part of it. Like, I'll do any work. And it turned out to be Ben. It was Ben Asquith. He gave me his card.

It was an Adidas card. And I got home and I told the guys and was like, you know what? let's just email email his contact and see if we can get something going. We didn't have a clue about the Kahn collab. That was very secretive at the time. Hit him up. He came out to one of our shows on the next run. And they invited us to the HQ, didn't he?

So we went down to, um, he added that S HQ. Yeah, correct. Yeah. And then, um, yeah, met them all. And it turned out that Ben was wearing a Macclesfield town shirt, which is the town. the town I'm from. And it turns out that he was born in the same hospital as me two weeks apart.

So he's from where I'm from. Oh shit. It's just such a mad crossover how it's all worked out with these guys and like our best friends now. Yeah, it's sort of like a weird meant to be thing. Yeah, it's insane. That's bizarre. Two weeks apart.

Yeah, dude. Yeah. Couldn't fucking believe it. He just said, oh, I'm from Mac. I was like, oh, how old are you? It's like, yeah, same age as you. I was like, what's your birthday? fuck were we in the hospital the same time

probably yeah it's fucking insane but yeah they've been mad supported for the last few years you know they did back everything we do obviously gave us that custom and I think a new one might be on the horizon potentially those shoes are fucking

dope and this was also so the corn club was like secretive so this came out prior to the corn one right It was, like a ride around. The first corn release was just before this. Just before this. Because on the, yeah, so they'd released the first corn collab

just before we went on that Mulev tour, I believe, because we were wearing it then. And then on that tour, they sat down, we're like, by the way, we've done some designs for a shoe for you. What was that like when you guys were, so you guys were having dinner with them and then they just showed you like a random PDF? So I was, what was that like?

I was in backstage at Munich. venue backstage and i was like with you i was like oh come on man we've got to do something and they're all sort of like looking each other's like actually i've got some designs and i've just fucking flipped in my mind i was like you've got to be kidding me oh fuck um so he he made something up you know just for a bit of fun because he's just he loves designing i think he's obsessed with it like oh i'm proper obsessed with his work um and he showed us i think he had a pdf of like an idea at the time or it might have been a bit after the tour. And then they were like, yeah, we're going to try and push for it to get you some customs.

And it was insane, dude. Like, you're wildest imagination when you're a kid. It's not even in there, dude. No. Yeah. They've been incredible to us. So good, that shooting. They brought them out to us on the tour.

This was in Nuremberg. Landmarked tour a few months after, yeah. Surprised us with them. Congratulations, man. What a dream. Yeah, so sick. It's insane. Chris, when do you think this effort?

episode of there. This Monday. So literally, right. One week. Yeah, we can't say everything, but people,

I think people are going to get the opportunity to buy a guilt trip shoe. Yeah. Soon. Yeah. I mean, I'm probably, I don't know if we're allowed to say it, but I don't know either,

but we've sort of said it. I think that's it. It might happen. Manifest it. It's up there somewhere. It might happen. Who knows? um joan band

oh they're yeah yeah oh they're definitely listening yeah now we now we now we got a um but dude the quality of those superstars like did they went all out you know it's the best leather you know we got the the fucking old english superstar that was the biggest things like it's never happened before the superstar logo and the old old english um wow yeah man they just went all out like and not being biased it's the best

shoe I've ever seen in in hand off that one it's insane dude do what the fuck your band has in adidas fucking shoot unbelievable those guys Joe and ben have really brought the life back into adidas because they they just get it yeah it's like it's like it's in heavy music it's just like it's been such like a duh like combo and i it took like those like those are the guys in that team have like just brought it back. Yeah. You know. I can't believe it took so long, to be honest, but it happened at the right time.

Right time. Sure. Corn had this revival going on. I think it was brewing on it, like something was brewing with new metal and all that sort of stuff. You got sick new world and it just became huge again, didn't it? Yeah. And I think the perfect timing for that collab to start was then.

And it's unbelievable. It brought a lot back into the culture, I think. Yeah. Shit, son. Yeah. And I feel like I've always. I've always said that metal

culture and you know like the clothing around it and the style has kind of trickled down into the mainstream a hell of a lot recently and like the Adidas campus I mean that you're wearing I didn't see them

up until the corn release dropped and now everyone's wearing campus and baggy trousers and I firmly believe that the corn the first corn release brought a whole mainstream style

in, you know, like without really trying, it went into the mainstream and like everyone wears campus now and baggy jeans and stuff. Whether they're into metal or not, it's sort of just trickled down that way. Unbelievable, man.

Yeah, it's crazy. Metal ed's man. Well, people think Metallica is a brand, so there you go. Yeah, straight up. Oh, yeah. It's massive. Everything, everything's using,

like metal fonts, you know, like slam fonts, slam logos. Lensiaga and, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't have any feelings towards it. It is, it is, it is. Yeah, it's kind of cultural. I'm not mad at my stoke, just like, what's, yeah. Yeah, it's, I think it's always been that way, aren't it? From the 90s, look at grunge and what that's done to fashion and it, well, grunge, you know what I mean?

But it's, honestly, I didn't see a single person wearing Addie that's Camp or something until those got released, and then they were just massive on me. every shop in the UK, that's the biggest seller. Really? I think that's been... Superstars coming back now. Yeah, superstars coming back. But that was...

The Campus 2000s must have been the biggest seller for Adidas in the last five years. Gotta be. Sambers and them, but yeah, they did so well. My first big check, dude, I'm going to literally buy every color, dude. And it's fucking stock them up. Yeah. Yeah, because they might disappear again. Dude, straight up.

And then... I don't know. There's certain ones that really... in the last year that you just can't find like certain general releases that just sold out and you can't get them anywhere. There's like a black and orange pair that I've been after for ages. Just, just gone. Just gone off the face of the earth.

Yeah. Yeah, the fucking like the classic black superstars. It's those ones, yeah. Oh, wow. They're gone. Yeah, dude. They're out. Oh, I think they're in Nordstrom.

They might have them over here. Definitely not in my size. We could go down the street. See what I mean? Yeah, it is. It's a trip like walking around. Oh, sit at Walmart and seeing a corn shirt. Yeah.

Like they, talk about crossover. You guys like did it. Like, wow, you're in Walmart. That we said this year the week. There was creed shirts and yeah,

we're like, if you can get a shirt in Walmart, like that's the. That's it. I mean, it's over. Yeah. It's done,

in it. Like, you're in the guns and roses, Navanas and, you know, rolling stones and shit. Yeah. Yeah.

It's unbelievable. Misfitz, yeah. Always see a Misfit's shirt knocking around. Dude, this tour has been wild, right? We never see Sublime shirts in the UK.

Oh, yeah. Every fucking show. Yeah. Gas station. Walmart. There's been the one person's sublime shirt every single day. And we're like,

this is weird. It's following us around, man. Like, what's the deal with sublime? They're just huge? Or is it just like a popular T-shirt? Yeah.

I mean, it is a, California thing and a California that kind of spreads all over. But I guess it is like only like a state's thing. Right. But the slow blind is massive. Everywhere we've gone, we keep on saying there's another fucking sublime shirt. It's like a cashier's just wearing a sublime shit.

You know, someone at the gas station is wearing one. It's mental. It's like that. I mean, you'll find them at like hot topic or all here we have a shop called Spencers as well. Right. There is that band. Massive. Wild, yeah.

Just that weird. What is that sun? that fucking weird is this a weird looking i see it everywhere what the oh it's a mushy it's that a mushroom yeah it is actually never noticed i never knew that no i never noticed it's a fucking mushroom face 40 ounce to freedom i never knew that i thought i was a fucking son yeah i did okay so i learned how to do harmonics and i learned that the sublime logo did they come after all the shit chains or not so i want to know what i what era was the band i'll always say

if there's a there's a sun logo oh oh it's a close one very close one it could be before yeah change might rip them off why origin long beach i i was like is if ben is or long beach it's long beach 88 and yeah they hit they hit they hit the 80s yeah i mean obviously i think they had the 37 they had the dirt sun in 92 so yeah who knows yeah but the alison chain ones he's way cooler oh of course it is yeah we like alice in chains oh hell yeah huge fans fans. Yeah, that's cool. What was that Jack, what was that

clean riff you were playing earlier? It was the burn clean riff, I believe. I think I was already going to ask you a player then you were just playing it already. I was like, it's a plug-in. I always play that to see how the clean channel's sounding. It's the only bit in the set that I go on to the clean

these days. You want me to show you? I think you dropped hell in there as well. Oh, yeah. I did. I'll replace the rain, yeah. fact yeah i think i was so the higher register one the burn one that's beautiful man it's lovely this is just using presets for this clean tone um i didn't capture the tone that we recorded with we forgot to do the clean one so i tried to replicate it it's got that sort of like church sound you know

like the churchy reverb yeah you want to hit you want to hit you want to hit you hit the lower notes quite hard so you get that little bit of string rattle. Yeah, yeah. Sounds really nice if you just go up one. Very Pantera-esque that, that tone with that pick-up. I think the one I was playing earlier was... Yeah, yeah. That's a new song that we're writing.

It's like the intro to it. Oh, great. Yes, we've been... We've got a few more clean sections on the new stuff. We're trying to use them in the right ways, though. They don't always have to be the intro or the verse. We're trying to, like, implement little ways of getting a clean bit in. You know, we love Machine Head, Lamargard, Pantera.

They all do it, even Metallica. Going way back to Metallica. What song is it? Sanitarium. Yeah. I mean, I'm in the wrong tuning, but it'd be like... Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Stuff like that. We like them tones with the chorus on it. Yeah. I've always tried to implement them stuff. Yeah, you guys always put them in like a tasteful way. Like, uh, with, and like a little bit of singing here and there. Yeah.

That's cool. Got little tiny bits of singing, yeah. Yeah. It always kind of made me stop what I was doing. We heard something coming in and it's different. Oh, it's different. We're trying to drop them in in. really niche parts now, you know, trying to open the field a bit more and just, you know,

see where we can fit them in that you wouldn't expect, do you know what I mean? Yeah. What are you guys doing now? Are you guys jamming? Are you guys taking, uh, just enjoying the ride? Yeah, we're writing. Um, we're near, near done with the record. Yeah. Oh, cool. 78% there recording in December. When we get home, we've got three weeks until a, another tour we're doing a three sorry 10 day run in europe headline run so we've got yeah we've got like a few weeks to get these final bits done um than a week after that week or so so well um that's that's coming out heads down yeah December that's yeah it's tight

yeah it's tight but we're good under pressure though every time we've been under pressure we've written our best stuff so i think it's a good thing for us yeah we love a deadline oh straight up um Yeah. So we're in there getting the drums and guitars down mostly. Nolly will be there again and Robin Adams as well. Yeah. So we've got two engineers, which is really good for us because Tom will record drums and then I can start guitar.

While I'm recording guitar, Nolly's editing the drums. I'm recording the guitars with Robin. And it's just a constant like something's happening. two things are happening at once constantly. Oh yeah. And we can really pump it out that way. But it's busy now. We go straight to Australia after that.

And then it's like... It's come around really quickly, this album cycle, man. It's over. Yeah, yeah, it's done. Severance is done. We've got to get a new album out, man. Delete it. Like the first one.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Buy a vinyl now because we're deleting it. That's it. Yeah. But yeah, we're about 60, 70% ready on this next one. You know, it's that age-old thing of listening back and not being happy with certain things. And we've got a few tracks to actually write.

But the stuff we've already written, we've been listening on this time. We're picking little things out and we're like, oh, shit. You know, but we're really happy with the majority of it. But when we get back, it's just. just going to be like polishing the ones we've got writing a couple more and then just going into the studio and being like right that's we're happy with that because that's our problem sometimes will take a few months to listen to something which is also a good thing because you you find out the problems with the track and all the flaws and stuff but sometimes you sit on it too long and you

start forgetting what the original beauty of it was at the start of writing it do you know what I mean you don't want to cook it too much exactly yeah you just got to be done with it I'm sure it's the same for everyone. It's got to be done with it and put it out and just see what people think, I suppose. We were like that with Severance. Even at the end of that cycle, we were like, we don't like some parts of this, but we've just got to do it, put it out. And if the people like it, they like it, that's it.

Yeah, it's hard to remember when you put it out, you've listened to it 200 times, but everybody else, it's the first listening, and they're getting that feeling that you had, maybe not as good of a feeling as your own music but to them they're not hearing them tiny things that you wish you changed they're not going into it no thinking what can i change they're going into it excited yeah um you just got to try and relax and um it's like cooking and if you add too much shit into it it's not even yeah it's not even what you were trying to make yeah yeah less yeah yeah yeah look at kubla can't meat and potatoes and the like the biggest hardcore adjacent band ever

them and not loose. Yeah. Very different bands. But Kubla can strip down to the barn and massive. Straight up. I was going to ask if I could play that thing, dude. Of course you can. Of course.

Is this, uh, this is the 2023. Actually, do it, can you do a quick rundown? Yeah. So it is the 2023 Virtua, the USA one. Roasted Maple neck and it's an alder body. It's quite heavy. Nolly set this up, so it plays great. Oh, nice. I've got a custom set of strings on which is like... They look fat from here. You'll be surprised when you pick it up, they're very thin. It's 10 to 46s.

Are you serious? No. I swap the 46 out for a 49. So it's 10 to 49, I guess. I like them really thin. And I like that little bit of wobble on the, on the tuning when it slips back in after a really heavy note. Especially on the breakdowns. You're like, jaun, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Go for it, man. Please, man. It plays really nice. It might not be what you used to because of the string gauge. No, I like not knowing what I'm doing. Sometimes it's cool. Sometimes it sounds like shit.

Yours don't look too thick from here, though. The strings, they don't look too fat on what you have. So it might be okay. It's silly. I was like, shit. I was like, oh, my, almost got me, dude. This is a 49? Yeah.

Yeah. That guitar makes dropsy's sharp sound. So much fucking heavy. Yeah. Drops each star. Salus, you're dick. That's it.

That's it. It's sick, dude. It's great. It's a great guitar. Sam, our other guitarist, has the same one. It feels a lot different, though. They all feel a little different. Thanks, Jack.

No problem. Yeah, I love this thing. I played a lot of shows on this one now. Good to write with his well, on it. Great to write with it. Always stays in tune. Yeah. Yeah, I love Whammies now.

Everybody gets to jamming in WAMMI, I got to do the... Yeah. Yeah, we got... You get fucking horned up. I got my first one 10 years ago. Nice. Literally because we wanted a dive bomb on the record. Oh, yeah.

So I bought a Manson. It's a really small guitar company that Muse used Matt Bellamy. Oh, yeah. And it had a Floyd Rose. So I went and bought that. I got my car got burnt so my insurance

paid out for my car and I bought a guitar with it Oh course you did I still had some money left and then I put a down payment on a different car but I was like you know what I need a new guitar

I bought a mess of boogey cab bought a new guitar got a 65-05 head because the stuff I had before that was shit like a really cheap laney stack that's like you know like the really basic beginner stuff you're like six at that point yeah i played our first show on a line six spider mic miced up

you have to 60 watts 60 watt it was with desolated yeah yeah sick or it sounded fucking slammy dude dude it sounded sick dude that with a high-pitched air dude you're you're yeah you're making it man straight up you're making it so if you've you've Someone else needs to do this. They need to try it. Dude, hell yeah. Yeah. They're insane.

They're still got that one. Yeah, I still do Instagram stories jamming. You have to. Jamming our riffs on this and it's not in view and people message me. How do you get that torn? What's the tone? I'm like, so Lion's a six spider, mate. Oh, yeah.

Spider 4. What's a fucking secret, dude? Yeah. Line 6 Spider 4, insane setting. Scoop the mids. Easy. That's it. Yeah.

That's it. Is there anything? Um, is there anything about you guys or Gilchrip that, uh, that you want the people to know? Yeah. Ooh. Good question. I'm hoping that, that we covered all the foundation. So, so people, so people know your band and your story.

Yeah. Um, just signed to Roadrunner records. Yeah. Big thing for us. Um, you know, every single band who has influenced this band has put a record out on Roadrunner. and it's the craziest feeling in the world to be a part of it. You know, even to bands like Nickelback and, you know, and you look at, like, you look at your favorite record,

you go down, released by Roadrunner, you know, everyone from Chimer to fucking machine-head to Devil Drive, hatebreed. The Hate Breed did some records, didn't they? Love it. Yeah. And we love the Road Runny United record as well. We're massive fans of that, you know.

It slipped not off of you. everyone man um so we're really honored to be a part of that you know new singles out now burn yeah come out to a show yeah come out to a show yeah come to a show and see it see it in person yeah um love circle pits let's keep that going yeah let's not let that die again because it died for a while the circle pit i know yeah let's not let that we're trying to do the the devil driver keep it you know come out to a show keep it going yeah yeah every single track. If there's a fast part,

just get it going. We don't even need to ask these days. We don't know ask, we're just like, right, we expect you to fucking run in a circle, yeah. Straight up. But yeah,

just looking forward to write this, write this new album, get it out, you know. I've got a good note to end on. If you scroll down, we're claiming the world's biggest circle pit

and if anyone can sort of... Yeah, if Guinness World Book of Records want to get in touch. Down a tiny bit more. little bit more there, bottom left now yeah, we are claiming this to be

what we believe may be the biggest functioning circle bit, there's actually you know, it's actually a circle bit we're running a circle. We're not definitely trying to have done the biggest but it didn't complete the circle so yeah, yeah, it's true. This is like like a Proper.

Self-proclaimed. We're claiming it. Yeah. We're leaving that there. So if anyone is out there that works at Guinness, please give us an award. It is functioning. It's functioning.

Oh, yeah. It's, no one fell, didn't stop once, I don't think. It was a good one, man. Definitely. Come to a show,

running a circle. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking wild. That's the main thing. Yeah, man. People need to keep going to live shows. because live music's on top right now.

Yeah. From every genre. Keep supporting bands. Keep supporting. Mm-hmm. So you guys got the Europe dates and Australia in January. Yeah, Australia with Justice for the Damned. And then, yeah, the European ones are headline.

And we've got Big Boy coming over from here, from Cali, whispers from Thailand, and then Cal sign are a French band. I think they're from Paris. Oh. So that should be sick. Nice little hardcore run. Nice. Little international package there. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, everyone, check out the song, Burn. Got a sick riff that we could all try to learn because I'm going to. I learned, uh, let's see, I learned how to do harmonics. I learned how to do guitar muting and I learned that the sublime logo is a mushroom space.

Yeah. It's everywhere in America right now for some reason. It's like the new Nirvana shirt. It is. It is, it is a very like, here thing. like a United States. Yeah. So, well, Jack, Tom, thank you for you. Appreciate you, bro. Thanks for having those, Chris.

Yeah, thank you, man. Yeah, straight up. Thank you, Matt. All right, everyone, that's it. Later, later.