Garza Podcast - 223 - NEKROGOBLIKON: Goblin Riffs, Infant Annihilator, Guitar Rundown w/ Dickie Allen & Alex Alereza

Episode Date: March 9, 2026

Garza sits down in-person with Dickie Allen & Alex Alereza from melodic death metal band NEKROGOBLIKON. New EP “The Boiling Sea” out April 17th! https://instagram.com/nekrogoblikonofficialSPONSORS: Sweetwater - https://imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB00:00 - Riff: Learning Papa Roach05:26 - Dickie Allen’s Musical Journey07:35 - How Dickie Found His Voice10:46 - Metallica S&M13:36 - The Comedy Store, Adam Ray & Howie Mandel16:55 - Stone Cold E.T.18:33 - Secret Elephant19:15 - The Boiling Sea EP22:08 - Reel Big Fish24:20 - GG Allin // Stage Personas29:29 - Being a Dad35:00 - Riding Motorcycles & Risk38:38 - Hanabie. Tour41:50 - Owning/Operating a Music Venue49:06 - Golfing, Drinking & Bryson DeChambeau55:30 - Alex’s Ibanez RG2027XL & Steve Vai58:08 - Riff: Powercore1:02:24 - Riff: Pedal Technique1:04:30 - Riff: Garza Plays Alex’s Ibanez1:06:53 - New Infant Annihilator Album1:12:33 - Advice for Deathcore Vocalists1:15:35 - Travis Ryan Beef1:17:28 - Extreme Vocals 1:19:04 - Dickie & Alex’s Top Music to Check Out1:25:10 - Nekrogoblikon is Cool

Dan, Dickie brought out that. I'm gonna bring the hair down. Oh, please, man. Mine as well. Dick, you got, is this basically a show, so? Gotta look good. I always forget how fucking domy my head looks when I have it in a bun. Yeah.

Ladies like the bun, though. They do. They do like the bun. If I'm on date night, I put my hair up on the bun. Nice. Skinny jeans, skinny jeans, skinny and black jeans, black shirt, hair and a bun. Date night.

Don't open with the metal. No. I learned with age, unfortunately, like there's a time and a place. I had to learn that as well. All right. She knows. Here, here, show walking around baggy pants, band shirt. If I'm hanging out the lady date night, I want to impress her.

Yeah, yeah. I'm going. I don't look good. I'm going. I'm going. right hey j are we uh are we going sick dicky allen Alex thank you for being here man yeah dude thank you for having us thanks for having us appreciate your time yeah fucking eh stoked I've been looking forward to uh doing this for a while

like just ever see seeing you uh start I was like man I really want to get on there oh hell yeah yeah fucking it and I watched the the one you did with with John uh and the John's great I was like man that looks so fun like man I wish we'd be on there and we got the invite We're like, fuck yeah. I want to do that. Right. Straight up. It's like playing and singing.

Like, oh, I want to do that. Yeah, right. And then you just do it. It's so sick. It's not kind of crazy? Like, if you think about something and then you do it. Yeah. When you think about something, you're halfway there.

The only thing you have to do left is you just got to do it. Think about it. Say it out loud and then fucking do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Alex, you started playing bass at 12. Dude, where, this is like the most, how do you know all this?

I don't know. You're so good. Holy shit. Why did so, yeah, so you went, so 12 years old. Where's going to go straight in? Because I don't know. Dude, you're like the Sean Evans of metal interviewing right now. This is great.

Yeah. I'm going to learn new things. Holy shit. Yeah, he's learning right now. And you did that for two years, correct? Yeah, I continued playing bass throughout that whole time. But then when I was 14, I got a guitar as well. and like, and I was like, oh, I'm starting to like this more.

And then eventually, I was like, I'm mainly a bassist and I play a guitar too. And then I think by that time I was 18, I'm like, I'm a guitarist and I play bass too. You know, oh, okay. So 14, you found Papa Roach. Is that, was that the? Dude, yeah, Papa Roach was like the first, it was, it was, I think it was called Blood Brothers. Black Brothers. Yeah.

That, that, that's the reason I started playing that record. That's a riff I know That was the first riff I ever learned on guitar Wow Like did First riff I learned

On guitar that like wasn't A couldn't also be a bass riff You know like I'm gonna put on a spot already Do you still remember it? Yeah It's not gonna be in the right key Better

Better I don't know what the other turnaround is. How the hell did I remember that? Holy shit. Dude, if you're... That's awesome. It's like something... I don't remember the rest of the notes, even.

I just remember, like, I don't remember how it goes. It's kind of bronch. I remember there being a... that's the that's the Alex version with that that note and then and then and then it and then oh so I was I was love yeah I can yeah and then and then it drops right oh yeah then it does that we're going this key then it would be like whoa that's I can I don't know if I can go low enough dude shout out to Jerry for this writing just sick riff Yeah, bringing

Iron Maiden into New Metal was a sick idea Is that what that is? I feel like his Rifts were so Iron Maiden Influe Like I feel Iron Maideny

When I listen to them You know? I guess I can kind of see that But it's just Because it's not It doesn't have the gallops And the drums underneath it It's more like

It's New Metal Dada So people can rock But on top These little riffs It's like I feel like it's maiden Yeah

And no one else No one else did that I feel like I feel like They didn't get enough Respect for doing that on that album. You're right, especially, yeah,

with that era of bands. Probably they were the only one. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I don't think anyone else was riffing like that. It was all, yeah,

everyone was trying to be corn. Yeah. Everybody's trying to be cool. Well, Dickie, I got to tell you real quick. The past couple weeks, I said something about my personal favorite,

deathcore bands and deathcore singers and i got a god forbid the guitar player for suicide sounds has an opinion about deathcore um and uh so i i you know i gave my uh three favorite singers and then my social media my ticot youtube oh god and uh instagram started to flood me with your name that's that's sick man i mean i appreciate fucking yeah i've Love all the fans, man. That's so cool. Yeah, just being in that position where people just want to fucking constantly tag me

and be like, yo, no, he's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's so sick. That's sick. Yeah, man, you are a very respected singer. So how did that start for you? With Invin Annihilator, pretty much. I mean, I was doing vocals and stuff on the internet for a while

and was, like, kind of getting a name for myself. a bit like on Facebook and like Instagram and shit and then I was in a band called Abiotic for a while too fucking with John um shout out to John in my hot he's awesome sick um and then yeah just I joined IA and Aaron and Eddie found me on just from one of those videos and boom that was it like after joining IA was like holy shit like I didn't think I was ever going to be like that guy and then boom like out of nowhere you didn't think that that you were going to be that guy, but then you became that guy.

Yeah, yeah, I don't know where, man. It was cool, man. I really love it. I mean, it's a lot of fun. Being compared to, like, some of the greatest, like, the people that I looked up to is so interesting. And then just being able to hang out and talk with, like, Phil or somebody that I would, like, I practice covers to Whitechapel. And now I'm just like, oh, yeah, I can run into them and be like, what's up? How's it going?

Like, I haven't seen you in a while. Yeah. How did you develop that style? I always wanted to be a voice actor. Like, I didn't really care for playing music, really at all. Really? Yeah, so I wanted to be a voice actor and do, like, draw my own cartoons and then voice my cartoons. Are you serious? Yeah, I can't really draw anymore.

Vocals and that took over a bit. Oh, shit. And then I just started finding that I could do these, like, cool monster noises. And I was like, oh, I could maybe do monster noises for like horror films or like video games or something like that. And one day my buddy was just like, yeah, dude, just like try doing this song. Like, let's see what you can do. And I think it was like Chelsea Grin, Chey and Stokes, I think it was back in the day. And yeah, I just did it and they, it just came out really well.

Weirdly enough, like first time trying to do vocals, I was just like, boom, fucking right at. Do it. Yeah. All just because of voice acting and wanting to make noises. And I was just like, okay, so I can go. And then my buddy was like, you can do vocals. You know that, right? So you already like develop a strong vocal technique through the voice acting.

Yeah. Okay. So you already had like a, so you have your foundation. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Because just going straight in, that's something where you're at now is like. Yeah, it took a bit because I was doing, uh,

like inhales for a while doing those noises and realizing like oh I could do guttrels but there were always inhales and just so then I had to figure out how to make the like the X uh the exhale vocals work with like actually doing vocals like all the noises I would do with my voice not inhaled I was just like okay how do I fucking translate that into making vocal noises it was yeah it was weird I always like, I just experiment with my voice so much that, you know, oh yeah. You're still doing it. Oh, 100%. Especially working with Aaron and Eddie.

I mean, that guy, Aaron makes me try so many things. He's like, yo, you know how you can do this, but also that? And then what if we try to like mix them together, but then you added this to it? And I'm like, all right, I guess I can try. Try. Yeah. You don't know until you try. Yeah, seriously.

You don't know. So it's fun. Yeah, it's a lot of fun, especially working with Aaron. He always brings the best out in me. Yeah, it's cool. Sometimes when you're friends to push us, you know, just like give a little. Yeah. That's right.

I mean, that's how it's always been. If it wasn't for my friends, I probably wouldn't be here because I would either been skateboarding or still just trying to be a voice actor and not a vocalist. Do you imagine if you went into the voice acting? Yeah, I still want to try and do it. You know? It still can. Yeah.

Yeah, it's never too late, so it's just about finding the right thing to do at this point, you know. Hear that animators? Yeah, yeah. Write this guy some shit. They'll do that over it. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Did you grew up in Florida?

No, I grew up in Massachusetts. Okay, so I heard Florida somewhere. Yeah, yeah, I live there now. I moved there when I was like 12. And then I lived there since, so 20 years. Dan, 12 is a hard age. Why did you move? My family just wanted to move.

Okay. Just was sick of Massachusetts. You know, my dad and mom always, like, I think they had their honeymoon in Florida. And they were just like, I want to live here one day. And then finally, when we were 12, boom. Yeah, they were like, okay, we got the funds. We can do it. Let's go.

Dang. Yeah. And I love it. I mean, at first I was like, oh, I'm moving back to Mass, dude. No way. And then my dad told me, he's like, dude, when you're 18 and you can go to the beach every single day and party with your friends. You're not going to...

You're not going back. I'm like, all right. Dude, that's a crazy fucking move, man. Yeah, we drove that too. Really? Drove the whole thing. On the way down, too, my fucking... My Game Boy case flew out the window.

I'm sorry, man. Yeah, I know. I lost so much. Really? Yeah. And my dad's Metallica DVD with the orchestra. No, S&M? Oh, yeah, dude.

Oh, man. We would put that on all the... fucking time. How did it fly out? We had the car. I threw it. Literally packed to the brim for the windows and something

hit the window and rolled it down and just a bunch of shit flew out. And it happened to be my game boy and my dad's favorite Metallica DVD. Yeah, dude. That one. There it is.

I ended up finding it somewhere on tour and buying it for him again. That's sick. Because he would put that on non-stop. We would get like random calls from people like collect calls like hey do you want to buy this and my dad be like yeah one second and just put this on and put the phone next to the next of the speakers oh that's a that's a cool idea yeah he was

he was a dick or he would hand the phone to my little sister and she was like five oh wait so he would just leave it there and then not never go back yeah yeah just play it until they hung up oh that makes more sense yeah dude this is one one of the best DVDs like Live DVDs. Oh, man. It is sick. What's the name of the conductor? Oh, I don't know.

Famous, dude. He, I believe he played the synth and orchestra. Michael Cayman. Yes. Yeah. I believe Michael played a keyboard and orchestra for the black album, which is why they brought him back to do this. Oh, that's cool.

So it was like a callback. Yeah, that's... I didn't know that. Yeah. It's sick. Wild. The brain's working today. Sometimes it says,

Not there. No, yeah. Sometimes it's this. Oh, yeah, dude. My morning was rough, so. I went to the comedy store last night. Oh, I was wanting to go. Oh, it was sick.

We watched Adam Ray, Jim Jeffries. Well, you know, Adam Ray? Dude, it was so good. I didn't get it. I fell asleep. Yeah, yeah. You didn't want to go. You fell asleep?

I had a long day and I just went back to the hotel. Oh, man. I'm boring. Not at the show. Not at the show. Not at the show. Not at the show. Yeah.

Yeah. Dude, yeah, so we saw them, and it was so good. Who else was on that lineup? Adam Ray, Jim Jeffries, who else was it? My brain's lagging a bit. Was John on it? No, no. He's going to be there March 8th, I think it is.

Damn, that's sick. Yeah, he's playing soon. He's been doing a lot of gigs. Ron, what's his last name? The really quiet black dude. Yeah. Ron Funches. Yeah.

Just like the most subtle dude. He's hilarious. Yeah, he was so funny. Things like Adam Ray. But yeah, Adam Ray was sick. Jim Jeffries, too. Holy shit, man. It's funny or what?

He was so, so funny. And it's cool going to see those types of shows because it's like they're workshopping. They're, you know. That's the coolest. Yeah. Yeah, it was like 15 minutes a set for each one of them. And like, I was talking with Dermer about like maybe

You're like linking up with Adam Ray and stuff and chatting with him. But he's like, oh, he probably left and went to another gig. They like do like five or six in a night. That's like the one thing that separates the comedians from musicians. Like you try shit out in a real time in front of people. Yeah, right. It's like trying to like write like a song. Yeah, right.

We're just jamming. We're going to just do a jam for you guys. Yeah. It's like we're jamming. Okay. Are people head banging? No? Yeah.

It's okay. Well, I guess comedians do write their materials. So I guess that is the. But to find out if it works or not, because they're not, like, recording an album first. Yeah, we put out albums and we're like, all right, hopefully one hits. And now we can, like, look at streams.

So we're like, all right, no one's listening to that song. So we probably shouldn't put that in the set, you know? Like, I don't think comedians don't have that. They have to just show up and be like, bomb. Like, fuck, well, I'm not saying that again. I can never be a comedian. It's bomb. Oh, I know.

Because you still hear, like, the big guys, like the big comedians. still bombing their 50s. Yeah. It happened. I'm like, wow, you're still doing that. Even though you made it and you made millions of dollars, you're still going back. Oh, yeah, Howie Mendel, too.

He was there as well. Talking about an older dude. Dude, he's fucking hilarious. Like, he was fucking gross, too. Like, his, yeah, his jokes were so. It's fucking nasty. Yeah. Yeah.

I was just like, this is a guy from, fucking America's got talent or something shit. I'm like it. He seems so nice and then I'm seeing him up there and he's just fuck this, fuck that. And I'm like, this is great. Yeah. Then in comedy is where it's definitely a bucket list place. I want to go and chill. Yeah. I wouldn't, my

merch guy was just like, yo, dude, you want to go to this show? And I was like, I guess so. It's like, I'm pretty drunk already, but I think I can keep going. And you were so, Dickie, you were inspired a drink by Stone Cold Steve of Austin, correct? Oh, hell yeah. Oh, yeah, dude.

Well, he does are very... Hell yeah. That's the bottom line. What? Oh, shit. That's pretty good. The world finally gets to hear it. Voice acting.

Yeah, the world finally gets to hear my stone cold impression. Do you have you seen a stone cold E.T? No. You never see Stone Cold E.C. I haven't heard of it. Can we get fine so cold E.T ordering McDonald's. And then we'll talk about your guys, EP. White Castle, I'm sorry.

I said, Stone Cold E.T. Will I like a cup of cheese butter. Maybe a drink. And I'd like to get out here as serious as possible. And that's the bomb line. Okay. You want Stone Tote ET to pull up to the side. Just pull up to the first window.

Okay. Just pull up to the window. So cold E.T. Yeah. I love how we keep saying it too. It's so cold E.T. And that's the bottom line. Oh my God.

Dude, if I was a cashier, I'll be so fucking pissed. Oh, yeah. I'm like another one. Yeah, right. This guy. Another winner. Dude, when we were shooting the Secret Elephant video, I kind of felt like that with like, you know, John walking around the city. Yeah.

Yeah. Just looking at people's like, what the fuck is this? Like, God damn it. I had to move to L.A., right? Just the shit you see in L.A. That's the thing. It was a fucking goblin walking around. What was also funny is the people that you can tell have lived in L.A. long enough that they were not faced.

They're like, here's something else. Yeah. Yeah, people around here are so, like, desensitized. Oh, yeah. To just people doing shit. Yeah. Like, oh, there's another guy making content again. All right.

Cool. This one's a goblin. Ooh. So you guys are dropping EP in April, correct? So this, so you guys know, this comes out on Monday. Okay. Okay, cool. Wow.

So, yeah. Fast. Holy shit. Yeah. So, uh, so we got an EP dropping on April 17th. Yes. Oh, cool. I don't know, dates.

Nice. He's a top, dude. Yeah, dude. He could tell you anything. Like, on tour, like, you could be like, what was that one show? And he'd be right on the day. where we played most of the time

I have an oddly selective memory just for like the band world stuff and then memory and then like with just normal day to day shit I like you know won't remember what I did two minutes ago like it's like yeah when it comes to band tour stuff

it's just like one of those things where I'm just so used to like you know like I've worked in so many different areas of this industry also as well as like playing so it's just like this is something this is where I've dedicated my my brain space too

So that's like, that's the only thing I'm like, I'm good with memory. Other than that, I'm a, I'm a, like, mess. Oh, yeah, you have a, you have a very limited mental space. Yeah. You got to have, like, you got to have, like, dedicated subject. Yeah, I got to fill mine with lyrics, so I'm going to just keep that. That's, you know, like 50, 60 songs just wind up. People talking to you, you're just like, yo, I'm at my word limit, dude.

Yeah. So what's up with the EP? Yeah. dropping it April 17th it was it was an interesting process for this one

because usually we like do the you know you go on you you're not touring or anything you write a record you just take your time

you put it out then you go tour and support it this is a point in our careers where we were we were getting better and better offers like every year

where it was like we didn't want to just stop because we can't say no to some of this shit and so but we wanted to still put out new music so it was our first time kind of doing the like go on tour come back

right as much as you can then go back on tour and then you know so it was our first time doing it like that but it ended up working pretty well to the point where like i don't you know there's no reason we can't continue that uh that rhythm i think yeah like especially us all being so uh far apart you know like i thought it was going to be a little bit more difficult for sure but i'm kind of used to it with erin and eddie being in from the uk like having to work around being so far apart but I think it worked out so well like surprisingly like so smooth everything was so like easy going yeah and I think maybe because we were like a little bit under the gun with time and shit it made us not overthink things that usually don't need to be

overthought oh yeah and I feel like that was like guys this song really should we add this one like like we're putting it in like well let's come back to that let's move on and by the time we come back to it, we're like, no, we love that. Yeah, that's good. You know, like, yeah, the secret elephant wasn't even, like, that was going to be on the chopping block. Are you serious? Yeah, that one was, yeah. Because it was, yeah, the instrumental, like, like, we recorded guitars and drums in

2024 with Jason Sukoff. He's been our, like, he's been our collaborator and producer and mixer for almost, like, I think, nine years now. And so, like, we already, that was already, yeah, there he is. The man. How yeah, Jason? Yeah, fuck it. And, you know, so we had finished these, like, skeletons of songs, essentially.

You know, keyboards can change last minute if they have to, you know. But, yeah, that secret elephant was a song where, like, I was like, it didn't have its, like, hook yet. I'm like, the structure feels right. We just had, like, you know, it was before we decided to bring in brass. And I was just like, this area, it felt too serious. Like, like, this is necro. I feel like I want it to just. It's not making me smile yet.

Like, it's not giving me that, like, goofy grin yet. Like, it just feels too, not us yet. So I'm like, maybe we cut it. We got some other good songs. We got a lot of great songs here. And suddenly we started talking about, like, what about trumpets? Like, what about brass? And, like, yeah, like, that's what this needs?

That would be sick. Like, who's doing, like, who's putting a trumpet on a metal song these days? You know, like, no one. Skah metal, dude. Yeah, so we're like, so we're like, all right, let's let's, and, uh, Raptor and Eric got together and, and wrote, composed these, these awesome parts and

we already had a pre-existing relationship with Matt Appleton who's the saxophonist of Real Big Fish and Goldfinger. That's what that is. Okay. Yeah, we were on,

we were on Warp Tour in 2018 with Real Big Fish. Nice. And he was coming out and watching our sets every day. Like, in the crowd, I'd see this dude, this big Mohawk and sunglasses

watch like every show. I'm like, he's watching us again. We end up like getting to know him and, you know, We all love real big fish and like that and we bring back Mohawks too I think I think more people should have more mohawks the mohawk needs to be brought back Yeah, yeah I used to have one when I was a kid man really fucking loved it yeah so did so did Joey big yeah Yeah yeah yeah yeah because you were more of like a punk guy right yeah when I was a kid I liked more punk music than metal

So it was like Gigi Allen and like the vandals and stuff like I never Not to be disrespectful to a Gigi but I never actually met someone that Hey, I was jamming Gigi when I was a Cape on Mohawk. Yeah, dude, like, young as fuck, too. I think I found Gigi when I was like eight or nine. And I definitely shouldn't have listening to him at all. How do you find it? Just a buddy of mine.

Yeah. Who you were a hang around with? A bunch of losers in Massachusetts. Yeah. They're cool. No, they're still awesome. They're not losers, but I mean, we're all losers, whatever. True.

But, yeah, dude. I remember. It was like right when YouTube first started. And like, they pulled it up and they were like, dude, check this guy out. Like he fucking shits himself on state. I was just like, whoa, dude. Yeah. That's awesome.

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so they know you came from here. And now, back to the podcast. Okay, so if you're, if you're, if you're genuinely interested in G.G. Allen and you need to play one song or two, which one should people actually play? Cause people like, like me, everyone just hears about him and it goes on blind.

And then no one really knows what to play and then you hear it, you're like, okay. So what song or two should people actually be? Scumfuck tradition is a really good one. It's a, But it's also, that's like a, what's it, like a cover or like a remake of a, like a Hank Williams song called Family Tradition. So it's scum fuck tradition. But it's a really good song.

I think it's all in like a cuss guitar. And then what's the other one? Just a scumb bag or something like that? Just another one that has scum in it. Is that we got the band name? Yeah. Oh, okay. Oh, and it's all making sense.

We're getting in the full circle here. Yeah, G.G. Allen and the scumfucks. So I was like, well, I'm going to name a hardcore band Skumfuck. And me and my friends, we got a lot of like shit online about like, oh, but just Dickie joining another edgy band with an edgy name. So me and our bassist were like, no, let's just live it and just be scumfucks. And just like when you see us, you're just like, oh, it all makes sense now. Yeah. Like instead of just like, oh, that's just an edgy name. Like you just see us. Like when Scumfuck did tour, oh man, I was just hammered playing just absolutely being a ridiculous.

Yeah. Just hit myself with a mic like Alex terrible shit or you know, G.G Allen shit. You know, that's really where you got it from. And yeah, dude, just fucking living it. Dressing like an idiot. Just absolutely just not caring. Was, actually, not I'm thinking about it, was Gigi the one, one of, like, the pioneers of, like, smashing at the fucking mic? Oh, yeah, 100%. I mean, dude, he used to get bloodied up and just, yeah, just, like, cut his head open, rub blood everywhere, shit in his hand, rub that all over him. And I was just like, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. I never put those two together until right now. Yeah.

I wonder that's where like that. I don't know if that's where Alex got it from. I'm saying he just does it because he's a psycho. Yeah, he's a psycho. Yeah, he's a teddy bear, buddy. Like, when you see him live, holy shit. Yeah, when you're up there, man, you, you're still you, but your other version of you. Yeah.

Oh, definitely. Yeah, it's like something else is channeled. Yeah. I'm still, I always ask everyone, I don't know, like, what is that? I don't know, I don't know what that is where it came, where it comes from. Yeah, right. It's part of you, but you're channeling something else. Yeah, just let in the thing that, is like something monkey from corn said.

He was like, he's like, everything part of me that I hate about myself, that's who I am up there or something. Yeah. He had to some comment like that. And I was like, man, that's sick. No, it is true. Like I actually, Alex actually looked back to that his quote. I'm like, that's, okay, someone put it into words. Yeah.

What I think. Because sometimes you like, you like think about something, you feel something, but, but someone actually says it puts it into like a sentence. Oh, yeah, that's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was that of, uh, it was in Corn's DVD.

Yeah. Who then now? Yeah, who then now? He's like, I was like, oh, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, yeah. Yeah. Like, if I feel like I'm a little, if I'm a little silly and weird, I'm going to be sillier and weirder on stage. Yeah. Just make sure it doesn't spill over into your personal life.

Yeah. Because I know the fiancee does not like that. Yeah. Oh, I know. She loves a silly. It's just when, when serious tasks are being done. I don't think that that's, yeah. There's a time and a place, man.

Like, it's like, you have, like, you got to compartmentalize your life. this is when I do this, this is when I do this, this is when I'm an idiot, this when I'm smart. Yeah, yeah, my lady does not like the scum fuck me at all. I was going to say earlier, like you probably can't get a Mohawk because you got to ask the boss first. Nah, she wouldn't care. Nah, she wouldn't give a shit. No. If I wanted to give my son a Mohawk, then I would have to ask her, yeah, for sure.

But me, yeah, I could do it. Do you have one kids or two? Just one, okay. One, he's four. He'll be five in July, so. And fucking, yeah, time flies. But you had a kid, man. I know, right?

Right at the end of the scum fuck era. So right at perfect time. Oh, perfect time. Perfect time. Perfect transition into a, yeah. I did need to keep that going. Yeah. What's the, what was the hardest part in transition for, for you, Dickey, when you were actually,

it's not like a joke anymore. Like, hey, like, I'm a father. I'm going on tour. What was, like, the hardest part about that? Uh, just missing stuff that like, you know, like him walking or talking or saying words in a different way, like actually saying things. Mm-hmm. Like, yeah, I would have to see it over like FaceTime or something. So that sucked.

And it still sucks to this day, you know, like my kids growing so fast. Like they only are at this age for so long. So, yeah, just that part, missing some of that stuff and like, yeah, like certain, like, like, Hollywood. Halloween's not really a big holiday in general, but like my birthday is the day before, so it's always been a big holiday for me. But we're like usually on tour. So I'm like, all right, well, maybe next year we'll dress up and go walking, but yeah, that's it. But at the same time, like, I didn't know if I wanted to do the cruise because I was like, man, I really want to spend like Halloween with Dickie. Oh, the headbanger's boat cruise.

Yeah, yeah. And my dad was just like, when he gets older, what do you think he's going to say? Like, thanks for spending my fourth Halloween with me, or, dude, that was badass you went on and played a fucking cruise, like a headbanger's boat with Lamb of God and all this. So I was like, all right, yeah, you're right. Like, I know at certain point he's going to look back and be like, all right, it was all worth it and it's fucking badass. So that's what I think. And I'm going to put him on some songs while he's younger. Yeah.

We got him on the Right Now podcast song at the end. You're the theme song. Really? He goes, right now. Yeah. Right at the end. And I was talking with him. I was like, I can just, because he does vocals.

So I want to record a line and just have him on a record. And so when he gets to be like 17, he's just like, yeah, when I was six, I was on a Necrogobicon song. Yeah, man. He's like miles ahead of every other singer in his age range. Yeah. So like, it's a, it does suck. But the end goal is just to make him proud and, you know, have him part of it. that's, I think, the biggest thing is to have them, like, there.

We brought him up on stage, too, one day. They came out to Orlando, and he loved Show Me Your Goblins, so. Oh, that's great. Yeah, he was up there just fucking acting like he was doing the vocals. Oh, and I gave him the mic for Show Me Your Goblin. That's right. Yeah, and he did it off right on time. He's got better time than I do.

It's fucking wild. That's cool, man. I'm always curious, like, how other people handle that. Yeah. Having a kid and leaving. It's interesting, yeah, because I just think about all the other people that have to do travel jobs in general. They'd go through it, like athletes, you know. Yeah.

Like, imagine how much time Tom Brady had to spend away from his kid for playing 20 years of football and traveling everywhere. That's a lot. So if they can do it, I can do it. Yeah, especially when you have either a kid or a fiancé or a wife or a girlfriend. Like, you don't really get like the, like, you live too. different lives. Like you don't need to go home at rest. It's like you go home and you like now it's your you trend

you have to transition quick. Right. Oh yeah. Dude. There's no like. Completely different lane. Like it's like yeah. I just don't like you go home and now it starts now. Oh right. Yeah. Like literally go home next day I wake up and I had to take my kid to daycare or to school and I'm just like holy like just immediate transition from like I was getting fucking trashed the other day after a show and now I'm bringing my kid to school.

like Jesus Christ, what the fuck. Yeah, mad transition. But it's fine, it's all worth it, man. Being a dad's a cool thing in the world, so, you know, I'm very happy. That's what I hear, my guys. Yeah, it's like, I'm doing that. This is tough, but, man, it's awesome. Yeah, dude, it's one of the hardest things in the world that is one of the, I wouldn't trade it for anything, you know.

But I think that's everybody, you know, has a kid. Or they hate their kids and they're pieces of shit, parents, so. Yeah. It goes two ways. I mean Totally. Yeah, sometimes I'm like,

I know friends from like, you know, when I was younger, my 10, they had a kid. Man, they have a kid. I got to have a kid.

You know? Yeah. I'm like, are you guys are reproducing? Like, fuck, dude. Alex and any,

uh, not yet, but the plans for, yeah. Plans. In, yeah, in,

in, in the future, definitely. Yeah. Nice. One day. Yeah, one day. Yeah.

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm 50, 50. Yeah. I'm 40. 40. I'm a year and a half behind you.

The clock is ticking, man. Yeah, I had to make a decision. Dickie at 27. 27, nice. I did that specific. I, like, I timed it out. Like, I wanted to have my son at 27 because that's when my dad had me. Oh, really?

Oh, shit. Yeah, me and my dad are best friends, so I was just like, I want to set it up the same way, dude. Like, so when my kid's older and we can just hang out and ride motorcycles and shit together like I do with my dad. so. Damn. Yeah. What is, do you still ride?

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I was going to ask you, what does your wife think about that? She's not too stoked on it. Yeah. She don't care. I mean, I've been riding motorcycles before we met,

so it's like one of those things where I was like, this is just part of it. And, you know, she doesn't mind. As long as I don't go out and just be an idiot, she's fine with it.

You have a, you have a Harley, right? Yeah, I got two now. Two. Yeah. I got a, yeah. I mean,

my buddy had a Harley that was like really nice and really cheap so I was like you know what I'll buy that too might as well and then my buddy dropped it and your chick loves you yeah oh yeah no but it's it's a lot of fun man I love riding it's a it's a fucking blast yeah there he is pop a dickle oh the man wow yeah did we go out riding like almost every day are you serious yeah Damn. It's awesome. So it's like more like a family connection. Oh, for sure. Okay. Yeah. That makes a little bit more sense.

I mean, we would hang out every day regardless if we were on motorcycles or not. But yeah, it's definitely like a nice thing for us to do and, you know, go out on long rides and stuff. You know, wake up at like six in the morning and be like, I, we're going to West Palm today. Like a nice two hour ride or something. Wow. And yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's probably nice.

It's probably like a way to clear. clear ahead. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's so free. Like when you just don't want to think about anything you just get on a ride because all you have to, you have to think about the road and what you're doing and like everything going on around you. So like if I feel sick, I'll just get on the bike because then I don't think about me being sick. I think about, you know, making sure that I don't get hit or you know crash into something. So you know, yeah, it's very, very freeing. Do you

Do you find that a, when you ride a bike, like you don't, you notice that people, people, people don't see you. Oh, yeah. So, so you have to be aware, hey, this person doesn't see me, so I can't, like, I can't ride like an idiot. Yeah. They don't really know. They're not trying to be assholes. They don't see you. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, I do it even when I drive my car, man. Like, when I go through a red light when I'm driving my car, I'm still looking both ways. Or I mean, a red light. when I'm driving through a green light. And, yeah, I'm looking both ways. You never know, man. Yeah, just, you never know if somebody's not going to see that red light and hit you. So, yeah, I just thought, just be safe with everything you do.

Yeah, in a car or on a bike, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I've lost friends on bikes. I've lost friends in motorcycle, I mean, in cars. So, like. Both is true. You know, you're not going to stop driving a car. So I'm not going to, I know my little cousin,

passed away a few years ago on a motorcycle accident. Really? And I know for a fact if I stopped riding, he would call me a pussy. So I'm yeah, I'm not going to stop riding.

You know, for him, I'm going to keep riding. Yeah, it's just one of those facts of life, man. I mean, people die on bikes and cars. Yeah. Drugs. Healthy. I was having this conversation.

My lady is past weekend, man, like some people are just healthy. and they still get sick at some point. Like, man, like, man, like, what can you do? It happens, man. Life is just get thrown at you, so. Just got to keep riding with it.

Literally. Let's keep riding. Yeah, yeah. Dude, what's up with the tour, man? Yeah, we leave, like, tonight. Do you really? Yeah, yeah, like midnight tonight, our bandwagon takes off. So heading on, headed on this guy.

Yeah, I got the EP and a tour with a Hannaby. Yeah, doing some headline dates with, Enterprise Earth, who's also on the whole, who's on the whole Haniby tour as well. Yeah, dude, Enterprise. They fucking rule. They're the homies. We did a tour with them a couple years ago last year or two years ago.

Yeah, it was around Riot Fest. Yeah. Like a year and a half ago, I think. Is it Annabie or Hanibu? So I think it's Hanabia. Oh, what they. Is what my, is I think Eric told us? One of our other band that's mentioned to us.

He watched a, like a social media post they had specifically about pronouncing their name correctly. Okay. And I guess it was Hanabiy. I might still be saying that wrong, but that's, that's, that's, that's, that's my, the best information I had. Oh, yeah, Hanab is that? Yeah, Hanabia.

Yeah, yeah, you had it. Yeah, yeah, there we go. I got it. Hanabia. Oh, I compare you speaking English to you, so I'm just, I'm trying to keep up, dude. I'm trying to keep up. Hmm. Okay, so what's the first date?

You like that? You don't need a bottle. Oh, Bernard, dude. You just need his pack his ins. Oh, fuck, that's it. My first date is the... Oh, shit. It's Thursday.

Oh, damn. Yeah, we're like right about starting. Okay, so what date is Monday? What's the date Monday? Monday will be in six. So six would be Friday, seven Saturday, Sunday.

Monday would be Springfield, Missouri, I think. Cool. Ninth or 10th. So if you're listening, yeah, they're literally everywhere right now. Yeah. They are hitting it hard. It's going to be a sick door though

I'm really really excited for this one Dan two shows in LA Yeah the first one The first one sold out three months in advance Oh really fuck So that's dope That's dope And another one

Yeah this is my first time ever doing like two shows in a row In the same like city and venue I'm like that's beautiful I'm excited I'm like whoa that's cool That's fucking sick dude Congrats That's a it's a long one

Over a month Oh yeah six weeks Yeah I started losing it after three weeks I hear that. At that point, yeah, I'm just... Time to go home, man. That's where I'm just like... Time to go home.

Like, napping until set time, you know, just like... Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. And then it's so dialed in that you know, you've done it every night, so you just, you know, and it's locked in. And all right, cool, all right. You're just waiting to get home. But the show, it's always the show during the time of the set,

I feel like is always awesome. Like that, however much time you're, like, allotted. That's what we've been talking about. earlier, man. Yeah, it's just fire. And then you have the other 23 hours of working for that hour. It all sucks, dude. You're telling you.

Waking up on the wagon and just being like, oh, I don't want to do this. And then you get in front of the crowd and you're like, this fucking awesome. Oh, yeah, that's why I do this. This is sick. Oh, guys. Why? You just keep your mind it quick. Oh, yeah, this is the show.

Okay. This is why. Yeah. Everything all sucks. Worth it. Totally worth it. And Alex, what's your involvement with a, 1720. So I'm actually one of the co-owners. Okay. Yeah. So it's me, myself and our manager, Brett Powell,

and also Travis Richter, who's, he's the guitarist from first to last. And he's also, he and Brett were bandmates in a band called The Human Abstract. I don't know, did you guys ever play with the Human Abstract back in the day? I feel like that was like co-era. Yeah. So I'm basically I'm playing with, it's owned by me and two THA, former THA members because of Hell yeah. Active. I heard about that. That's awesome.

Yeah. So, yeah, that's, so we started that in 2017. Yeah, we opened, opened to 20s. Skip through those other photos. Yeah. The bathrooms are a treasure. I don't know what you guys are talking about. This is, who needs a dollar?

That's, would you, like, it's not a fucking rock venue if it doesn't look like that, right? Yeah. So I have, I have a few syllabus questions. Um, what's, because as phantom music, we just go in, oh, it's my favorite band. venue and then you fucking trashed a venue. And then you leave like, like he, like he didn't fucking just mess up the bathroom.

Yeah. So what's like, what's the hardest part about running a venue? I mean, it's the amount that you have to stay on top of. And, you know, it's,

and at this point, because, and you know, when I first got into it, I didn't know that Necro would continue like the way it has. I kind of like, I was like, I was kind of thinking like,

oh, I'm, you know, like, I'm going to have it on the side for fun. And then I'm going to do this. This is going to be like my main life. And then, Necro just kept getting bigger and I was like, well, I got to keep going on these tours. So it's kind of, I've slowly become more and more of a passive member with it. But, you know, in terms of like the most difficult thing to do with it is, like, the million things you have to stay on top of at all times.

Like especially if you own the venue and you're booking your own venue. Because a lot of times you own a venue, then you have a promoter booking it, you know. And we still work with a lot of promoters, but a lot of shows are in-house that we got to put on. Oh, wow. So it's, so it's, you know, like, we're, we're the metal promoter for our metal shows because we're all metal guys. So we're like, yeah, we got this. Then for those like EDM type parties, we're like, okay, a little bit, all right, we start

working with promoters. We still buy some of those shows as well, but like, those are ones where we more team up with other promoters. But like, as far as metal shows go, like, we're like, that's our, that's our bread. Like, that's what we know. That's our world. That's our homies. So, like, that's a little bit easier to do completely on your own.

But, yeah, like, booking by itself is a full-time. job. And then on top of that, you have, uh, you know, you have staying on top of all the operations. You have, you know, maintenance. You have, you know, like random. It rain, you know, it barely rains in LA. So then when it does, you're not prepared for it. So, oh, shit, our ceiling is leaking. And we didn't know that. And then suddenly it's a whole like, you know, it's a whole three week saga of trying to figure out how to get that fixed on top of everything out and all on top of all the other compiling things that are happening. I think it's, it's just very, it's just very. it takes a really strong managerial mind to like stay on top of all that thing at once and it takes a lot of teamwork it takes a lot of you know we have great employees a lot of them have been with us since day one um so it's yeah it takes it takes a village absolutely what's it what's it like um what's it like post show like what's it what's it what's that what's that clean up like what's uh oh like it's so funny because it's like i remember leaving so many shows like as a kid looking back at like the mess

I'd be like that sucks I'm glad I don't have to clean that up and then now yeah after shows one or two three you're like oh shit that's on us now huh seeing the other side you know so you see the you see the other side of that

so I'm curious like what would what would what do people what do fans of music people like go to shows what do you wish they they knew leaving a show oh yeah Yeah, it's like,

how long it takes to, like, clean a whole venue. We hire a cleanup crew, but it's like, it's like, it's like just because just from like people just kind of like, you know, you spill like a little beer, right? Like this. But then there's a thousand people doing just a little bit. Doing the same thing. And then suddenly you have an entirely sticky floor.

Like, you know, so it's, it's the little bit. Google Maps is doing it justice. Yeah. That looks so good compared to one. It actually looks like. The idea, and it was like intentional a little bit that it's like sketchy because the idea was like when we started this like the warehouse party scene in LA was like, you know, you're just going to, oh, we're partying here at any of to give you an address. And it's just some underground party where nothing's nothing's. And that's like how, you know, we when we were first starting, we were doing things DIY.

We didn't know what we were doing until we decided to like go for real. We had it. We rented a space called mystery box in downtown. but it was kind of a similar vibe where like I'm scared of this area but in here it's pretty cool I guess yeah just do Uber make sure your Ubering is the best move to this spot as I'm sure you know I always parked there yeah has anything ever happened there oh like cars getting broken into yeah it the first two weeks it was like everyone was getting broken into and it was like we were like so embarrassed like it was like we'd have a metal show and then like

there's like dudes that worked at metal blade that got their like car broken into and we're like oh shit so we started hiring security guards so like security cars to start things things that that you got to think about and fix yeah yeah yeah okay now we want to hire security not for the not for the inside yeah yeah just to watch yeah just for the house to keep everyone safe here yeah uh i mean that adds to it man yeah i would be if i was 16 i would love go into that spot saying like yeah this is so sick like i loved venues like i'm going to a real show yeah yeah do remember that i made it do you ever do you ever play the pound in san francisco Yes, right before it closed down

Right before it was Yeah, it kind of It kind of felt this industrial area But like the shows there were so like Energetic and crazy Like I don't know It kind of reminds me of that It's like I ever played there

Yeah, it closed down like A long time ago Long time ago, yeah Talking like 06 I was there Oh damn, yeah, yeah Yeah, I was like Dude

If so I'm a sucker For the post show hot dogs. If they're out there street meat. Yeah. Do they need to permit

for that? Can they do they show up and you can't say anything? What's? I mean, we need to be cool with it, but we always are. You know,

we're like, yeah, for sure. Like, yeah, sometimes we'll like hire them to do shows and stuff. Okay. So I was always curious my, do they have permission

to do this? Yeah, it's all, it's all cool. At least for us. I don't know when they're doing at other venues. I don't know what, yeah, what the agreement is there.

But I know for us, we're cool. Yeah. I just curious. I'll buy two hot talks I just drop some cash right now I mean there's some money being made dude yeah I'm a post show pizza guy

I love a good pizza after a show man oh it's great go find a nice slice somewhere afterwards or get a pizza before the set oh later food later always gonna have later you would never guess man dicka Allen likes to he likes post show pizza

And he also likes the golf. Oh yeah, I love golfing, man. Fucking, it's one of my favorite things to do. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How long? How did you get into golfing? My dad.

Yeah, he golfed a shitload when I was, before I was born, and then when I was a kid. Oh, nice. And then we lived on a golf course for a few years, not like a nice one, but like one up in Massachusetts. And, yeah, when they would, like, close, I would go and just hit onto the green. And my dad would just take me over. and he did maintenance on the course. Oh, that's sick. Yeah, so he had like free rain pretty much of the place.

Nice. And he would golf twice a day and shit. He would golf with his buddy in the morning when then he would go to work and his buddy that got off work would come out golfing. So, yeah, I just started playing because he did. And then I realized how cool it is to just go out there and get hammered and smoke a bunch of of weed and hit a ball around. I was like, this is sick.

Like when I was a kid, I was like, this is boring, dad. I don't want to, and he's, again, he's just like, wait until you get older, dude. This is going to be awesome. Oh, it's true. It's true. And sure enough, we golf a little bit less now because it's just expensive, man. So, like. It's pricing, plus you guys were always leaving.

Yeah, yeah. Well, we also just, we started just riding a lot more. My dad didn't get a bike until like three, four years ago, something like that. Like, he never really rode. So, oh, wow. I bought a new one, and he was just like, I want one now, too. Oh, of course. I didn't know that.

Yeah. So instead of spending 200 bucks apiece, you know, to go golf and for the day, we can go out, you know, and ride around with our friends, you know, have lunch and all this shit. Yeah. You know, have a good time for less than that. Yeah, totally. Yeah, Bob. What's your handicapped?

I don't know. You don't know. Oh, you're just up there this. I'm not having a good time. I'm not that good, yeah. I used to play, when we were playing a lot, like, I was playing at least two, three times a week. I started breaking 90, which I was stoked on. But now I shoot like 100 or 110 close to that.

Yeah. Nothing crazy. You're up there. Yeah, I just get the, I'm just stoked to get a cool shot here and there. And, you know, I'm still trying to work on my game, but, yeah. I hit the grain, holy shit. Yeah, dude. I mean, I play a lot of, it's just,

like triple putting and shit that just that adds it up dude adds that score up man after three three three putts oh yeah dude I'm usually a couple shots in before the first toll the first hole yeah a couple shots yeah yeah damn it's funny I recently started drinking before I started golfing oh it's so awesome oh so man I I I understand it yeah yeah you don't really start playing good until you got a couple like a nice buzz going it's really it wow yeah i've been golfing yeah yeah bowling too

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah bowling too yeah just gotta have a couple of drinks and it's like oh i'm at my peak and then you have like three more drinks and you're like I am no longer at my peak yeah how long have you been golfing for

oh a child like diapers yeah yeah what's your handicap right now I'm at 23 so like 95 okay yeah yeah all right that's that's good but it's still a fun game it's still fun

That's it. Like, if you can just go out and have fun and like... It's fun, dude. Not lose a whole rack of balls, you're good. Like, if you can just lose, like, maybe a sleeve, you're good. Yeah. That's it. Just like three balls.

And you're like, man, I played great today. Oh, yeah. I only lost, like, 10. That's great. Yeah. I have noticed, like, uh, my ego is dropping. Because I'm like, because I just want to go there and like, how far can I drive it? Oh, yeah, yeah.

I watched too many Bryson Deschambo videos. And I'm like, I'm going to fucking crush this thing. I'm going to crush this thing. I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to chill. I'm going to try to be focused with my drive. Or sometimes if you're like, I'm like a par five or something, you want to, I'm going to try to be a green and two. Yeah, yeah.

But now I'm like, okay, let's, I'm going to try to get either a birdie or a par. Yeah, yeah. I'm stoked on a par. Stoked on a par. If I could get a birdie, that would be awesome. But if I can, just a par, I'm good with that. Oh, man, I am. I'm definitely not birdie material.

Dude, Deschambo crushing a ball is one of the most satisfying. things. Is this? Bryson DeShambo? Great. Like, he used to be a long driver. Like, he would, like,

do the competitions for long drives. Oh, got it. And then he, became a professional golfer, uh, PGA. Oh, shit.

I think he just came back to PGA. He went to live for a bit. Yeah, that's swing is and fucking. Dude, he crushes it. It's so sad. How far did he drive? Uh,

he can drive almost like 400 yards, I think. Four hundred fucking yards, dude. Whoa. on a par five I've seen them hit a par five and land right before the green and roll right on what?

Yeah it's ridiculous Is that possible to hit a fucking hit the green in a par five? Yeah 400, 417 at the Ryder Cup too I got to see this yeah par five

yeah he's aiming at the green he's not aiming at the fairway Wow that's insane I gotta see a swing Wow Whoa Fucking smacks that ball

Dude how Dude where to go To the green Yeah Like I didn't see anything in the sky Even it was like out of The camera does you know where to look Wow

Holy fuck Yeah once it zoom out And the green's like right fucking there That is in Wow Yeah Yeah Greg, he's got a...

He's wasted too. I don't think so. No, I'm kidding. Be sick if they all were, though. That'd be awesome, man. Right. Damn, I wish we had more time. Now, I got a fucking power through right now.

Oh, shit. Alex, so what's up with the Ibanez, dude? Oh, yeah, I got a... So this is a 2027 XL, RG, 227 XL. Customized, so I got, you know, just one, DeMarzio pickup. bridge pickup, just volume. Ibanez low pro trim,

and this is tuned to G standard. So that's, so that would be four and a half steps, no, two and a half step, whole steps down from standard, I believe.

I might be saying that wrong. So you're about the power cords, dude. Yeah, power chords, yeah. Full power cords. Yeah. I dropped my picks somewhere. Nice.

I got to find it. This is, where she did. The only pick you got to you. This is a common thing for me. Oh, there it is. Oh, there it is. There's no way there's more picks on. This is a death angel pick that I got from Jason's studio. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. Shadow Jason. Another shout out to Jason. He deserves all the shadows.

So would that, would that be purple? Yeah, you know, I asked for purple because I first went for neon green and I was told Steve I has dibs on neon green for I minutes. Oh, I'm like, Fair enough. Yeah. Can I get, uh, neon pink?

They're like, Steve I also has dives on neon pink. Divi. And I was like, damn, he's got good taste. I can't, you know, like, he's just buying. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not going to argue with Steve I. And I'm like, all right. Yeah. Uh, so then I was like, how about purple?

He didn't have dibs on purple. Like, you, we can do neon purple. So that's how this came about. Neon purple. How did, well, what about Joe's guitar, though? Maybe that was before he decided that he had, that, He had all the dibs. Maybe he started seeing people with green.

He's like, I don't like this. Yeah. Because Joe's got a neon green one. That's really nice too. Yeah, he's got an RG7. That's neon green. Yeah. I want to buy one with these fucking bad boys.

Oh, there's Joe's profile. There is. Yeah, there's got to be photos that been playing with the green somewhere. There's one with the green. That's a great shot, too. Oh, that's nice, dude. Yeah. He's got the reverse headstock on that, too.

It's hot, dude. he's hot he's a hot guy and he wears really sick shirts too have diarrhea and a bow aner dire he ha and a bow aner I thought that said I have diarrhea and a boner it's saying that it's basically saying that

but even dispelling those things yeah okay take it took it a step even dumber yeah I was I was really taking the the song power core Oh, hell yeah. That's a classic. It's a necro classic. It's like a straight up this groove riff.

Oh, yeah, the intro riff. Yeah, yeah. Can we hear it? So, oh, I probably have to go up a look. So we're in G standard out of, as of like, we've been, we've been, we started in seven string standard B. Yeah. And then like, we just started going over. And then I was like, I'm going to stop it at G. I don't want to. What tuning is? So power cores in that song, power cores in just standard. If I go up two whole steps, two whole steps. Do we have a... Yeah. We got this.

It should be in the top... This guy, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, no, go back. Go back. It's, uh... Oh, this guy.

Yeah. Turn that guy on. And you just do whatever. You do whatever you want there, man. Oh, Nick, 100%. We're gonna go up. Yep. I'm no help.

So... I don't know how to work any of that. Your moral support, dude. Yeah, you got it, dude. You got it. Just like that. Yeah, yeah. That was sloppy.

That's a hard riff. Yeah, that song has a lot of hard riffs in it. It, like, having to learn that song was, like, leveled us all up. Like, me and Raptor, like, the soles and stuff like that, that was definitely something that was written before we could physically play it. And then we had to, like, oh, wow. Yeah, we had to, like, all right, we're going to do this. Yeah. So, yeah.

I love the album cover, too. Oh yeah, very simplistic. It's just so simple, but it's so good. Yeah. Play that one riff. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, that's it. That's how that goes, right?

Yeah. Okay, cool, cool. Sick. And there's like a melodic one towards, like, the end. Oh, the same song? Yeah, it seems. Oh, I have the octaver on. That sounds awesome.

Is that the part you were talking about, or is that a... I think it's right after that, too. right after that well there's actually two or three it's like that's a chorus melody there's a solo that I'm gonna totally blow that was slop but you know that's the I can't deal one of my favorite solo it's a good solo I I can't do that neither can I I what's that I can't do the lay part but I want to learn the oh yeah yeah okay hell yeah Yeah. Is that it?

Yeah. So it says... That's way harder than it sounds. It is. Yeah, it's very intricate. Oh, wow. There's a tab on my... Hell yeah.

That's fuck. I don't even know what you're doing. Oh, yeah. So these parts say that they're like... We do what we call pedal riffs a lot where it's like a note. Where it's like a note... We have a... Like, there's a root note that we're like riding on and it kind of like...

So it's like... That makes sense. Okay. Those kind of riffs. So like, so usually when we hear a note by itself in a necro song, like, you know,

like you hear like, there's always this like, we're always doing this back and forth thing and it's like, so it's always alternate picking. So like, if I'm starting with the, the note itself and it's on upbeats, it's on downbeats,

it's like, so like we'll have really fast riffs sometimes. Yeah, sometimes we push it way too hard with like, how much we're even getting out of that note. Like, you know, we have a song.

Yeah. We've got a song called Yin where it's like... It's silly. It's like... This is like 270 BPM or something. It's like... Like that speed. So I'm just like going up and down as fast...

And it's just because it's the style we've done, it's like I could make this easier, but... Okay, so yeah, if you're doing like a crazy like a... But you're staying on the same note. Yeah. So this note is the same. Yeah. So we do it with octaves a lot.

So it's like, yeah. another reason that it makes it easier to do standard. So that way I'm not going like, you know, more like not rolling the going like. Oh, okay. But then we'll move, but then depending on the chord progression, we'll move the. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay.

Yeah, those are the kind of riffs we do. That's like a very necro style. It is very you guys. Yeah, yeah. Like hitting the notes on upbeats, it's like the, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's like a very necro thing. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. I'm going to practice that. That sounds good. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Can I do one chug on that thing? Yeah, dude. I can do as many chugs on this as you.

I just want to do one quick chug and then. Do a quick chug. Sorry, if anyone listening to do a quick. There go, quick. Was that lies? Yeah, again. Hell yes. If you have an ibuponnes and standard, it's just corn.

It's corn. It's corn. Yeah. I'm trying to write Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah,

there you go. You're hot, yeah, with the pedal riffs, you're, you're already a necrosome. Hell yeah. Hell yeah,

man, it plays awesome. Thanks, man, yeah, this is definitely my favorite guitar I've owned in terms of like, yeah,

it was the color I wanted it, and then it was like, yeah, everything about it plays great. It's pretty easy to, like, you know, set the bridge on it.

Usually, it's like, if, bridge starts going out of whack, I'm like, oh, no, this is going to take me like three hours to get it back. And then this was like 20 minutes, you know, it was, yeah, it's been a great instrument. Hopefully I'm not jinxing myself. I know my guitar text, like tomorrow is going to be, like, your guitar just completely run out. It's broken. It's broken. It doesn't work anymore. It's either broken or it's your plane. Yeah, yeah. I think your playing is broken, Alex.

It's always my plane. It's a little bit, a little bit too sloppy. That's hot, dude. They were all sloppy. It's true. Flappy soul. Hey, that's, I, I believe that. They're sick, though. Well, Dickie, if I don't ask them, people will fucking hate me. Any, uh, any update with, uh, infant annihilator?

Sorry. I knew that was coming. I know, if I, if I don't ask people about Garza, you're a fucking idiot. I asked them on the car ride over. Yeah, I get, dude. That's like the one question I get asked more than anything else in the world. Um, but, but, but it means something coming from here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

uh no we got uh we got a new album we're working on right now it's like i think pretty much done being mixed and mastered and everything um it's erin and eddie's baby really like they wrote all lyrics and patterned everything and just like same with like the voice acting thing i just had to show up and have the voice for it and uh they're spending they're really working as hard as they can on it and i'm trying to make it as good as possible so that's a I'm assuming this year, uh, within a,

hopefully within a few months. Like, I think that's what is the plan. Um, yeah, I'm trying to think. Trying to say stuff without saying too much. You know?

Um, but yeah, yeah. It's really sick. I'll say that. Yeah. It's, it's super sick. It's really,

really fucking long. Um, it's worth, you know, it's six years now. We, since we put out an album. It's been six years, huh?

Yeah. Wow. Our cycles has been three years, but yeah, this one, like, they told me because of the pandemic and all that stuff, it slowed them down a lot. So they just kind of took a lot of time doing other things. Yeah. And then, yeah, they got back into it. So, you know, it's definitely, it's a work, man. It's something else. Like he can say, it's so much.

It's so wild. I'll show you a little bit out after we're done. They've been willing to go further than anyone I've heard with what they're doing right now. I won't give it away, but it's like the... It's hot. You just, and you just appreciate the time spent. You're like, wow. These guys went fucking, they went for it.

That's a whole, I'll say. It's a whole story. It's like a whole concept album. It's a completely original story from Aaron and Eddie. Good guy, bad guy type shit. We got a really cool setup where, we have a vocalist that is playing a certain character, which is really fun.

So instead of having a guest spot, we just have somebody that comes through as a character throughout the whole album, which is really fun. So, yeah. Don't want to give that away yet. Of course. But yeah, dude, it's so wild.

It's so hard to explain because it's just so much. Like I said, it's really long. So it's like there's so much going on. and then every song is like, God, like, I think like nine minutes long or something like that. Like, it's just ridiculous. I think the shortest song is like six minutes.

Oh, my goodness. Yeah, it's ridiculous, dude. So I'm really excited for it. Man, I'm still good by last six minutes. Yeah. Yeah, right. That's sick. But, yeah, I know it's sick.

Fucking indie merch, shout out to them. Great company. They're awesome. Christina at Indy merch. Um, but yeah, no, it's awesome, man. I'm, I'm really excited to put it out. I, out of all the people in the world, I want to put it out. I want people to hear it as much as possible.

Like, Aaron and Eddie are taking, I mean, you could, if you ask them, they would be like, Dickie doesn't shut up about, like, when is it going out? Like, when are we putting, what's going on? What's going on? And, uh, they're like, we're working on it, man. Like, I get it. So I look at, like, the Google Doc sheet with, like, the list of shit that we got to do and see the check marks start going off. And I'm like, okay, cool.

Like, all right, so they did this, did that. I don't have to keep asking them. Yeah. What's it up? What do you think about or what do you hear? Because I saw that you, you listen to infant annihilator high when it's done. Oh, yeah. When you're high in that state, what does it sound like?

Pretty fucking wild. What do you think about? Like, what the fuck? I mean, I love it too because, you know, I know the lyrics. So like when I'm listening to it, it's like I can follow along really well. And like it's like immerse myself into listening to it. I always say if you're going to listen to music and it's like epic or whatever, read through the lyrics and like enjoy that.

Because sometimes the, you know, lyrics get over like overlooked and are just like kind of like, all right, we're listening to this song. But once you start reading the lyrics and you're like, oh man, this song's 10 times better now because I understand what's going on why this part is so like dramatic right now because of how the lyrics played out and everything

so I like that a lot so I say definitely read through lyrics maybe not infinite I liter lyrics but but the new one's good it's not as gnarly as the old ones I'll say that for anybody that's going to be disappointed I'll just break it to you there

it's not lyricically it's not it's way more story driven than just being fucked up for no reason. And that's because Aaron and Eddie wrote it and not me. For a, I like writing fucked up stuff. Now, now I've got an insight into you. So it makes sense now. Yeah.

Yeah, right. The G.G. Allen thing kind of makes all, makes it all makes sense. It all makes sense now. What, for, because there's this whole other thing happening. I don't even know where, like, the new, where people are going as far as, like, music and vocalists coming in. And they're, people are getting younger and younger. Yeah. Doing this kind of style.

Like, what, I mean, it's awesome to watch. It is crazy. Like, what a, if you're, like, what will you tell someone that's trying to get into this kind of style of a singing? Um, like, how would someone start? like vocally in general or just like how you would feel like starting like vocally in general i mean just watch a bunch of youtube videos and you know go through like cardovox academy or something like that and because he's a great teacher uh i would go through that or when i started i just watched a bunch of people that i really enjoyed and just tried to emulate them and that was fun but just be yourself man

just have be just have fun just have fun that's it that's all I've been doing literally just having fun that's why the noises I make are so goddamn ridiculous because I'm just having fun and I think that's the best way to do it and don't compare yourself to others yeah you want to stop doing that

dude yeah that's huge don't be like well I can't sound like this guy so I must suck and it's just like no that's not it it's just we all have different vocal chords so it's not like picking up a guitar and you can tune it to the right tuning and play the song as long as you learn it. Like, if you're doing a cover of a song as a vocalist, like, you know, try and emulate them a little bit

and have fun trying to learn how they do what they do, but don't lose sight on the fact that you got your own voice, man. Make it your own. That's the biggest thing. I can't stand watching younger vocalists trying too hard to sound like somebody popular. You know, and I'm just like, dude, it's just, Like, it's done already.

Like, yeah, that popular person was just doing them. Yeah, yeah, it's done already. So just do something else, man. It's done already, so just do you. Yeah, and who knows what you can come up with? You're going to, you might be the next guy changing the whole sound. You never know. Yeah, exactly.

You know, that's all I did. And just, and then boom, fucking Death Corps became zombie vocals all over the place. And I was just like, what the fuck did I do? My bad. Yeah. I'm so sorry, Death Corps. I didn't mean to do this. Yeah, people throw you on that list, man.

People were like, I guess, I don't know, they didn't know who I was or something, but like, oh, Garza does not know who to get Alan is or Travis Ryan. And like, I just kept seeing your name, like, ah. Oh, man. And it turns out it's great because then I started talking to you guys and your team. All shit, the timing of the podcast really works out. Yeah.

Because then I could, yeah, people throw you on that list. It's crazy. Yeah, it's, it's. man and shout out to Travis man he's an incredible vocalist I always get compared to him a lot and like everybody's like

or some people will be like oh he stole it from him or some shit oh of course and I'm just like dude I like I was doing these weird noises before I heard cattle and then I heard cattle and I was just like oh I could add this to music too oh yeah that's that's cool I didn't realize people were doing that

so then I was just like okay well now I'm going to start seeing what random shit I can do in his like scheme of things and he is uh he's awesome man we had a good chat a while uh

whatever we play fucking san francisco, San Diego, something like that he came out oh San Diego San Diego San Diego cattle's based in San Diego yeah and we've chatted for hours man and he's just such a nice dude

all those guys are awesome yeah yeah we had a little thing at back when I first started doing all those videos and I sent him a thing. I was like, yo, like, check this out. And he wasn't too stoked. Yeah. Hell yeah. And yeah, we talked about it and we're all good now. But yeah, yeah, he wasn't too stoked. So I was like, I'm not, like, literally, I'm not copying. You know, I'm not trying to steal anything from you. But, you know, this is, this is what I do. Like, my bad. Yeah, I'm just, I'm just doing it. Yeah, I'm just,

that's what I'm, I'm just doing it. But he was really nice. And, uh, after, you know, a few years of not really talking talking with him he's sick that's great yeah cattle's having their their moment too so it's cool yeah dude always always comes back around yeah it's nice you know when you get into like a the scene like that and you might have disagreements with some people and then years down the road you can just you know squash it and be cool with everybody yeah that's nice yeah that's what that's what's uh it's all about man you know community it is well that is the uh extreme metal vocals for dummies yeah yeah right well because i mean Because you're one of the people to ask about that.

So I was just curious. Well, dude, and it's, I think so many kids don't realize how easy doing that, like, like the zombie vocals, what I called them. Like, it's just so easy. If you just do it high and you stick your tongue out in a weird way, it's going to make some weird crazy noise. Oh, damn, I'm going to start doing that. Yeah, you literally just. Tong placement.

Yeah. Oh, shit. And it's like that simple. You just stick your tongue up a little bit. I do it a little. We do it differently. If you see in that, like, one of those photos, he sticks his tongue kind of like off to the left.

Oh, yeah, that's dope. So the way he do, the way we do it is different, which is cool. Some primal shit. Yeah. But it's like the same, it's still like the same scheme of vocals, which is like sick, you know, that you can kind of come up with that same tone

with the, doing different shit. Yeah. You know. One of the goats. Yeah, dude. Yeah. He told me he said, keep going with. those lows though those are sick

fuck yeah he wasn't stoked on the highs oh yeah like you're in my territory yeah yeah yeah you gotta you gotta appreciate the uh honesty yeah oh man for sure yeah yeah i love it yeah i love it man well uh

fuck i need i need more time we gotta we gotta close it off what are uh i like i like closing this with uh guests what are like and now we have two sections kind of like a rapid fire um What are like three It could be bands,

artists, or records that people should check out? Old current. There's no... Ooh. Well, you go if you're ready. I'm trying to think.

I mean, one album that has to immediately, like, was just waiting to come out as a corn cell title. Just, that album's top five for me for all times.

So that's definitely there. Yes. That's, the rest is... Check it out? Yeah. Fuck. I'm trying to think.

Children and Bodom hate crew death roll Yeah children in Bodom's sick And you know me and Joe and Cameron are Merchant Contact Guy were just talking about this And I'm gonna put this album up there too Because I think it's a super underrated album It's Avenge Sevenfolds Waking to Fallen

I think is like I think they're a great band And they have awesome albums other than that But I feel like that one is like front to back so catchy but it's still so guitar driven it's really punk rock it's metal like the ballad

I won't see you tonight part one I feel like is one of the best metal ballads I think that was something that like me Joe I'm speaking for Joe and Cameron too we were we were talking about this like that that is that is a very underrated record

so that goes up there too yeah man I'm trying to think the records that I just spin on like all the time is like Kubla Khan's What's it? Absolute, I think is what the Records called. That's just one of my favorite

fucking albums ever, man. Yeah, dude, that one's so sick. And then, yeah, I don't know. I just listen to a bunch of random weird shit nowadays. Like, I don't listen to albums. I listen to, like, songs. Like, I just got on...

Fuck it. This one guy, I think it's slow jack is what it's called. And he's just got a one song called Easy Ride and it's just really just good jammed dude I used to have this song

from Baby No Money Say LaVee Dude that was our 2020 3 that was our song Yeah as a as a touring party Like our We were just bump in it Yeah every day

It started I listened to it once And then I was at the casino And I just had it like literally Repeat on nonstop Just walking through the casino I was like this is my casino song

It feels casino It is so Yeah Casinoe I love it And get a little Spin of it Dude

Oh this means you want to lose money Yeah Yeah right Oh yeah Oh man Oh dude Did we bring it back Yeah we're bringing back

But my new casino song Is the slow jack one Easy ride That one's really good Hell yeah That and then I've been listening to this other band Called the Happy Fits

Yeah It's a lot of pop. I don't really listen to like too much metal anymore. So like it's just, yeah, just good time music. That's what I like nowadays. It's just like listening to something and just feeling just like, fuck yeah. It's got to feel good. Yeah.

And then I put on Kubla Khan when I want to fight somebody. Yeah. It could fight music. Yeah, even though if you don't like, if we don't like, you want like listening to the metal a lot, you still have that one or two. Yeah, no matter what, I'm going to jam this right now. I'm fucking pissed. Dude, last 10, the Solis Himes, I think is how you pronounce it. That, that album is sick, too.

Yeah, it just makes you want to fight somebody. It's great, dude. Hell yeah. I think they're going to be in town soon. I think so, actually. Dude, yeah. And then, dude, one of the coolest things was getting Storm on the last infant album was such a cool thing to be able to do, having them do a guest spot.

Oh, hell yeah, right? Because he was, he wasn't in, he's been out for a while of last 10. And we hit him up and we were like, yeah, what do you think about doing a guest spot? And he was all for it. Oh, nice. Yeah. Hell yeah, man. It was nice having them, bringing them back.

Totally. Well, thank you. That's a fucking, that's a list. Yeah. I've really, really varied. Yours more is old school. Yeah, I'm, I'm, yeah. Mine's more poppy, new, new shit.

You know what? I might start doing that. Maybe just ask people's songs. Yeah, because I don't really listen to, like, full albums as much anymore. I think it might be just ask people, what is three songs people should check out. Yeah. I feel like I'm more of an album guy, though, still. Everyone's different.

Maybe it's just to the guest, I guess. Yeah. That's tough. It's like, is this an album person or a single person? It depends on what year they were born, I think. Yeah, slow jacks per. I think he's young. I think he's probably younger than me.

I'm born 87, so I'm a number. album I'm an album guy yeah but dude easy ride that's such a good song he makes some funny content too some of it's a little questionable I would say he's got a good grasp on politics oh yeah maybe I don't know depending on who you ask kind of thing but he's yeah from Australia moved to America and just yeah it's killing it now dude slow oh I thought I'll tell us slow like like you're not fast, but the way it's spelled, if it is listening, it's L, I mean, it's a S-L-O-E. Yeah. Slow. Slow jack, yeah.

Slow with no W. Okay. Play the third one in. I should play like a little som-some. Yeah, that's a little clip from it. I think, maybe. It's good. Nope. Oh, yeah.

Closer. There you go. Yeah, I'm getting into your world. Okay. It's cool. That's a type of music I like listening to, man. Hell yeah. Anything about

Necro that I might have missed that you want the world to know? We're pretty fucking cool. Amen, dude. Coolest dudes on tour. Amen. You should know that we're very fucking cool. Yeah.

We like Diahriha and Boanners. We're cool because we constantly make jokes about poop and pee. Yeah. That's why we're cool. Don't ever lose it And if you're out of show Stop spilling your beer Yeah, dude

Because poor Alex is on his hands and knees Personally, personally Just scrubbing it up Scrobing and crying Don't spill it, give it to me I will drink it If you're too drunk And you think you're going to spill your beer

Just hand it to me, I'll finish it Hell yeah Well tour is happening right now For a whole month So go check them out It's full US Yeah, I see almost It's a lot of days

Yeah, it's a lot of days Yeah, I'm stoked And EP April 17th Yep And there's three songs out right now, correct? Three songs out right now Okay And then, so there'll be three more songs out

And five live songs Nice With the current lineup Say something about Another music video There may or may not be Another music video Coming out on

On the day of the release Yeah May or may not Yeah, we're working on another As in there will be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to have those music video on release days or whatever. Or just another music video because it's fucking cool to do music videos.

Of course. The machine wants content. Yeah, hell, yeah. We have to give it to it. Well, thanks, dudes. Appreciate your time, man. Yeah, dude. Thank you, honor, man.

Thank you, much for having me. Dude, absolutely honor being on this podcast. It's fucking sick. And just hanging out with you, man. It's awesome. Honor, man. Appreciate it. All right, everyone.

That's it. Later, love you guys. Peace. Last, man.