Garza Podcast - 228 - Playing with Slaughter to Prevail, Borrowing Riffs & Meditation

Episode Date: April 13, 2026

Garza shares thoughts on the passing of Bo Lueders, music theory origins & much more!Support here: https://patreon.com/garzapodcast 00:00 - Playing with Slaughter to Prevail11:52 - Lamb of God Show13:27 - Michelada Bar20:10 - Non-Alcoholic Beer PSA21:58 - J Update23:57 - Workload & Hiatus28:08 - Getting Through BS as a Band34:08 - Future Accomplishments42:28 - Leaving Southern California47:56 - Transcendental Meditation58:29 - R.I.P. Bo Lueders | Harm’s Way // Hardlore1:09:38 - Artemis II Moon Mission1:16:40 - Arch Enemy, Kiko Loureiro & Music Theory1:26:29 - Upcoming Shows

Cool. We're going. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Man, what has happened? Two weeks flew by again. Past the one month mark. I'm not drinking alcohol, feeling pretty good. I don't even know. I was thinking about it. Like, I don't even know. So I saw Slaughter to Beville at the Hollywood Palladium. It was magnificent. I am a fan of, I made it pretty obvious.

And Jack, the guitar player, which I love as a brother, cool guy. He asked me to do a song, Viking. And that morning, I woke up and tried to learn it. He sent me the guitar. Pro file and I never I was the one guitar player that never was on guitar pro when everyone was doing it. Okay, this is how we write songs and that's, uh, and that's how we do it. Even the cops are here and they're like they're pissed. No one likes no one likes guitar pro. And so throughout my whole career, I never ever mess with guitar pro ever. But it's my first time.

It's like, shit, here's guitar pro tabs. Like, oh, God, here we go. So I downloaded the free trial, the old seven-day trial. I'm like, oh, shit, okay. I can see how it could be useful. I guess it just depends, you know, varies, like most things, with guitar and instruments. It varies from player to player. It's not my thing.

But I did it the old classic way I listened to song, and I found a play-through. I was like slowing down the plate, which is really cool. I've done it quite a few times. I'll find like a, try to find like a 4K live video of a song I'm trying to learn. And you could adjust the playback speed. And I'll find like the right angle at the right moment, at the right riff. And like for example, I did this with Slipknot's Heretic Anthem. Because all the tabs are wrong.

All the covers are wrong. I'm like, what is he doing like there and there? So I would I dove into all their live video. I would look at 4K, high quality, and I'll find the right moments. And like, boom, I find, okay, I'll slow it down. And that's how I've been learning songs, I mean, quite a few years now. So I did the same thing with Viking.

Jack had I played through. And there's a few parts where I was like, oh, what's that? So then I went to the guitar pro and found out what they were playing. My people, that is actually the exact one I was watching. How is he, how is he playing it? Okay, so slaughter to be avail songs are way harder than suicide songs, which I don't know what I was expecting. I wasn't expecting anything because he told me it was easy. So I'm like, okay, this is he saying like, this is like suicide easy.

I'm going to play this song a couple times and I got it. Is this like roots, you know? Fucking a couple chords and the Amman? No, I had a very hard time learning all these riffs. That first riff, I had a really hard time. And the changes, it just goes to show like the different heartbeat. Some bands kind of follow how it can be so different. Same genre, but so different than yours.

So I had to really get into their Their kind of tempo and tempo changes That are just not what I would do So it was nice learning It was nice learning a modern song I think it really helped my playing Actually so If your guitar player

You shouldn't be talking shit on Slaughter songs Because I had a hard time Um The intro riff There's that one easy riff I had It was the chorus It was like you know like classic open chord chorus.

I'm like, okay, the chorus here, okay. Nice. And, um, but yeah, they're fucking, like, they don't give a shit. I was like, are we gonna play this once? They're like, nah, just go up there and do it. I was nervous, dude. I was nervous. Obviously, I've been on hiatus from a suicide song.

So I don't even, like, I was sitting down, like, what was the last show? What was the last time I played? And I don't remember. Um, hence, uh, which is a good idea why I'm not drinking anymore. Um, like, what was like? I might have been Chelsea Grin. Might have been that tour. I really don't remember.

Maybe, um, that's kind of fucked up. It might have been the Chelsea Grin run. Um, or no, I wasn't there. Or was it the Mayhem? It might have been the Mayhem Festival because that was, okay, it might have been the Mayhem Festival. That's weird. Weird. Holy moly.

So it's been a, it's been a minute. And, uh, I think Viking is like the fourth or fifth song in, fourth or fifth. It's kind of hard to say really fast. Fourth, fifth. Um, and I see the first couple songs. I go back there on pacing. There's like, there's like a little, like, like, platium is like a really, it's a really narrow hallway. There's a little entry to stage.

We call a stage right, but if you're facing the stage, it'll be your left. It's like a little opening and kind of like a little corner crevice. I was just there. I'm like, I don't know. Fucking tripping out. Oh, Jay, find a video. Sick. Um, I was nervous, dude.

I was really nervous. What's cool about being nervous? It's like, it's, you're just really excited. You know, you're about to do something really cool. It's like, okay, oh shit, I can't fuck it up. I'm probably going to fuck it up and I'm going to have to accept it. And went up there, played like shit. I never played the playt in before.

So new stage back with the other band with a song I was learning that day. It was a trip. And actually what gave me some confidence was hearing so many stories here. people yeah I've learned like a set in like a day and so and then just going and doing it the next day so that was you know that was pretty inspiring um they had me uh jack had a spare quad in his in his uh rack it's like a pretty tall rack and uh they had me cranking in the side fillis which which was really cool but also not cool because i'm like i'm i know i know i'm not playing good and then you got to figure out how to headbang and really real time. I don't know. It's a different, it's a different way to move. It's like the way they go

in, I'm like, this is not how I would like move my body naturally. So it's cool. Every band's so different. It's, uh, it just goes to show, you know, everyone has their own, their own heartbeat. Um, but we're all at the same at the same time. So yeah, I really, uh, no, I just, I just, I just really appreciate Alex, Jack and the rest of the band for having me on showing a, um, I felt honored and it was just a lot of respect on, on their part. Really like kind of like the two eras, two different areas of the same genre. Like they're obviously doing their thing and where I guess I don't know what you would say, the older band, the pioneers or,

whatever you want to say, try not to piss anybody off. But it was really cool. I felt honored, and I felt the next day I was like, I felt really like a lot of love. And that was nice. And people were fucking, people were stoked.

And I had a really fun time. Also, the not drinking thing. I was like, oh, like a lot of firsts. And okay, like, I don't even remember the last time I haven't had a few beers and went and rocked out. I don't remember. There was a short period of time where when you first came back with Eddie in 2014, I wasn't drinking for a straight year prior to a show. It's like green tea or coffee or something. But, so it's been a while.

Years, years. years so and uh i loved it i loved it um every week i'm feeling a better more emotional more in tune and uh this felt feeling love more feeling feelings more for better or or for worse so when you're nervous i guess i always used to having a beer and then oh yeah i'm not really that nervous it's kind of cool but so that that was awesome and um so again you know thank you a slaughter for having me um there's this really cool bar across the street i think it's called the well um kind of like not a hidden door but it's not like out there yeah it might be the well lounge but yeah that's it A really cool vibey spot.

Like you go in there, low lit. A lot of red lights. All kinds of people are in there. All kinds. Since there's obviously a metal show right across the street, there's a lot of, you know, our fans are in there. They're playing suicide silence, which I don't like. It just makes it awkward.

And, but I did meet some people there. I saw Franz from Attila. And I'm catching up with him. and had two mickalo zeros two of them and i'm telling you this is so weird like okay i'm here

i'm at the bar i'm connecting with people um i'm drinking and then you leave and you feel the same it's like wow it's kind of like stupid i know it's stupid to talk about it's like you okay i had two beers

I'm leaving and I'm sober I was like okay Like little fucking things like that are really cool And uh Yeah I went and I went in a show I hung out Um It's a good feeling man

To go to a bar and leave and like you feel Fine That's So it's still a recent A new feeling Um I saw Uh

I think I think I talked about it on the last solo Where I'm at Uh with the Lemon God at the YouTube Theater, which is connected to SoFi. Pretty sick. You know, I don't, I don't fucking like a ticket master. Like, it's,

it's always sketchy with the times. Um, I'm like, okay, like, it says 7 p.m. Is that 7 p.m. showtime? Or it says like 6.30 or 6. I'm like, is this showtime or doors? And it's never clear and it fucking pisses me off. Because this is a far drive.

I want to see Bog. That's kind of the main reason why I'm going. I want to see the Bog in a big stage to be a proud uncle. Just, you know, Uncle Max. Uncle Max, I think people have been saying I've been doing. And I got there and I think it's, I think it said 630. Ticket master said. And no, it was wrong.

it was uh it was showtime i was fucking pissed i got there anything fit for an autopsy was already playing i'm like oh well completely missed them i hate when that happens i hate i just fucking put doors and a time how much money does ticket master make the least you can do is put the right time on the fucking website dude um but it's it's all good uh

of course another bar story I go to the bar now I'm in no rush I already missed the band I wanted to see and so no bar had a non-acoholic beer but they said there's one that does

and it's around the corner and around the corner where and then went there's another bar like nope it's that one and it was like there's like a little bar like a little kind of stand but it was a Michalada bar

I was like, okay, I'm getting a little bit horned up. And this is really a sweet cashier bartender there. And they had a best day. I believe it's called Best Day, non-accoholic beer. And she was telling me how, yeah, I had the fight for this saying there's people that are going to go to show that aren't going to drink. And they're going to have these. So, yep, it's the best day brewing. And man, it was, here I am talking about non-accoholic beer again.

And obviously I'm getting horned up already, just talking about it. So this one bartender said, yeah, I mean, it was, I had a fight to get these beers in here. So she basically made, made the night. It's like, well, do you want to mix it? And this is a, I'm a mutual out of bar. I'm like, a non-anaholic. Mechalada? Yeah, that's what we're going to do. What's up, everybody?

Real quick, this episode is brought to you by patreon.com slash Garza podcast. Get ad free episodes early and the tartone you hear on the podcast. Thank you so much for the support. We're at the Lama God Show. We're going to have a Michelada. And it was, it was amazing. And it was feeling. You know what?

I wonder if there's some. signs to this. I'm sorry, Jay, I'm putting it on a spot. It's a lot of info. But does alcohol make you, uh, how do you say, does it? It makes you not hungry. It's just very empty. Like, is there some signs behind that just makes you, I don't know, it just fucking makes you not full. So yes, alcohol often makes you hungry. The phenomenon sometimes called drunkies. That's a word drunkies by stimulating brain cells that promote hunger, confusing appetite, regulating hormones.

And causing drops in blood sugar despite being high in calories. Alcohol triggers pathways that trick the brain into thinking the body is starving. We got it. Straight from the internet. So you know it's true. Dude, there's something to it, man, because I've been, uh, I'll have one and a two.

I'm like, oh, I'm like full. This is full. I'm full. I can't even, like, food is like it tastes different. And it won't like, I'll get half or three quarters of what I used to eat. And then just like,

I'm full. I can't even force myself to eat this. So this actually explains it. And I had this meet a lot of. I'm like, it's like a meal. I was like, drink one. I'm like, oh shit, I'm fucking. I'm buff.

And it's cool. They have like this, the YouTube theater has this really cool. It's like a place where you can stand outside. Excuse me. Sorry. And there's like this, if you've been there, you know there's like a big water kind of area. It was nighttime. It was really cool.

It was California. It was perfect. outside. Yeah, it's called, I think, for the Lake Park. Probably it. Yeah, that's probably it. Lake Park. And a really big, nice open water and a nice slice of weather is perfect. So I proceeded to stay out there for, I don't know, an hour. I missed the following two bands because it was kind of, it felt like a moment. I was like drinking. I was hanging out with this nice couple. Shout out to Sean and his lovely lady.

I want to be outside right now. It's a rare where you're at a show you get to be outside and it's water and it's beautiful and it's nice. You know, I'm just stand outside. It was fucking sick. It was awesome. What am I ranting about? But that was cool.

Then we've got to get to the questions. Okay, I'm going to wrap this up. And then I saw a few songs from Lema God and super inspiring. That's the best I ever heard him. Best they ever looked. The set list was like insane. And I've seen him a ton of times. And I was inspired because I was like, okay, they're older.

Mark's sober. Mark Morton. He's sober. Art Cruz, he's the recent sober. guy he's never played that good he was on it and i've known art for a very long time um i'm very proud of him and he's like you don't he's never played that way and uh never sounded that good at i don't know something it was like a weird something was was was was was clicking i love seeing bands do that where like they become them and it takes like a whole career to get there and

something i'm looking forward to doing um which might actually tie into a question later and um I was like looking okay Willie he's he's sober Randy he's sober like 80% of the band's sober and they're fucking doing a damn thing that's that that's what I want to do sounds good looks good the crowd was vibing I'm okay you could do

you know just a different way it was just cool to see like a different way of doing things and uh and then it was late so I left and um when homes slept but yeah that was um that was pretty sick it was a great drive great show

I just want to add something real quick before I get to the questions So Yeah obviously I'm talking about Non- Alcoholic beer a lot And I heard someone Bring up Yeah, but that's not for everybody

Which is true So I just want to say it works for me I don't want to give advice I just say what I do This work for me This doesn't work for me Um, you could kind of inspire you to a try or not try it. But for me, non-alcoholic beer is working.

For some people, it's a fucking trigger. Um, so it might not work for you. Um, for me, I have, I had non-accoholic beer. I'm very satisfied with the taste. I get horned up. Um, and it does not make me want to drink. alcohol. That's for me. For some people, you're going to take a sip of this. And if you feel triggered to drink an actual beer or do shots, yeah, dude, you're not in this category. So

keep that in mind. I'm talking about myself. This works for me. I know a lot of people that is this is working for. Um, especially like the game now. This is so many great beers out there. Um, I had a golden road yesterday. But, yeah, just kind of keep that in mind it works for me it works for a lot of people but just keep in mind like if you drink it and you're fucking like you're getting um okay like we kind of quote to have a shot right now not you're you're not in that category and that sucks to be you but uh yeah what's up uh what's the j update man shit horned up yeah are you hitting the gym dude yeah a little bit been trying to be consistent with it.

Yeah, dude. Bulkin, forever bulking. Forever bulking? Forever bulking. Ladies, probably happy. I think so. She's been feeling me up a little bit. Dude, that's the best, dude.

When you get the, like, positive, like, reinforcement. Oh, yeah. It keeps you motivated, you know. Yeah, it's been chill. Yeah, I had a little, we had that little weekend break, plus a little half week break. Yeah. Back at it.

Feels cool. Feels nice. Sick. Do you do anything cool? No, I just went on a couple hikes with the lady. I've been trying to do that more. What do you hike at? We hiked it.

We went to Laverne yesterday. Where's that? Kind of by San Dimas, I guess. Oh, yeah, yeah. Sister city. Yeah, anywhere, really. I went to Mount Baldy the other day. Mount Baldy?

Yeah. we're just hiking that's great is that by raging waters San Demas is that is that by there oh yeah

yeah yeah I'm just trying to get some greenery you have to man yeah yeah I'm looking for some new place to hike with the lady

oh yeah so so San Demas and Mount Baldi San Demas Laverne yeah you know by the foothills by mountains

there's always trails dude that's a new that's a new name for you dick. Mount Baldi. Mount Baldi. Hell, yeah.

Hey, baby, you want to, you want to hike Mount Baldi real quick? A quick, quick five minutes. Yeah. Well, sick, man. I think we're ready to hop into some questions. All right. All right. Let's go.

Number one. Oh, classic question. Classic fan. Dustin Chuggs. do you think the workload of the band podcast compounded with your regular podcast led to your hiatus from the band? Nice. Good question.

Not really because even though it was tough and it was a lot of work on me and Jay it was other stuff that compounded. So I think it might seem like might seem like that but there's other stuff that was going on I kind of needed to step back from without going too far into it

I mean I don't know I've been been jamming this same thing on the same rise since 2002 so 2026 did we take that yet 2025 right I don't know how many how many years is that fucking 20 23 years of the same same thing so uh it just little things compounded big things but uh obviously when i went on a hiatus i still did this

this is still coming out every week um it did allow me to focus more on this which we uh we fix a lot of stuff and got a good system going. But also, like, getting older and personal life was compounding. There is something about turning 40. You know, you start thinking about your life and stuff and like, okay, what am I doing? You need to clear ahead. So I guess you can say this life compounded. You know, we all have our own lives and shit fucking.

gets overwhelming. But it's just, both are fine. It's just, I think that combined with the personal life, combined with, uh,

just your average band stuff, you know, it's not anything new. Uh, you're in marriage with four people. So, I was kind of, I think of break from,

from the guys too. You know, it's been so long. You're just in like this, uh, confined space all the time. You're in like a metal tube constantly. or a small room

and just needed like a little okay let's just step back and also what really what really also helped me like okay I need to do this was this is something that I can't outwork that was like the matter what I do right now

it's not going to do so many man hours that could get through this it needs to take a step back so it worked you know clear-headed now came back a lot more grateful and I re fell in love with this

and we'll see what the future holds but yeah I think from the outside I might seem that way but it's just everything at once I think we all kind of go through that where like what's the cliche Jay like it's the straw that broke the camel's back

right? It's like the like a bunch of little things and like something happens Oh shit like I need to fucking It seems like this big thing But actually it was a lot of small things That's that small things that happened in your personal life

It kind of leads to just like this big breakdown So kind of like that But in a much better spot now Yeah what's uh Dustin thank you for your question man And um we'll see what's happening in the future Cool number number two

Oh, here we go. Ooh, it's a powerful. This is a powerful name. Stand without fear. Nice. Garza, my man, honest question. When you first started music and the scene, what helped you push through the bullshit

and getting accepted and getting your name out? Hmm. Um, was funny about, that is it's uh what works back then will not work now like uh like getting the name out and getting through bullshit was a little bit of ego being stubborn um which both don't work now like when you get older like that that kind of stops working um i always i always tell people this like I don't know what I'm doing, but I always, I've always known since I was a child to anything I do with the band in this, I know what I want and I know what I don't want. How you get there, we're going to figure it out. So I think it's important for people just know what you want and more importantly what you don't want for like, let's say suicide songs. Like there's like, okay, there's a sound. You know, I know I want to do this and I love it. There's no, it's a fine line between ego, following your heart, and just pure delusion.

It's extremely difficult to even find the words to explain. I don't think you can. I'm trying my best right now. Like, this is, it's a fine line. Like, delusion, what you're confident in, you following your heart and dreams, and just pure delusion. That's a fine line. It's a, and a lot of luck.

A lot of fucking luck. Now, just a big reason why we're still here is the foundation. The foundation, that first, that first, I always say this, that first suicide silence brick is, it's, uh, it's invincible. Um, so when things fell apart quite a few times, always had that foundation. Like, like the music was always, pure. People could say what they want about Eddie or whatever happens in the future or what was

happened in the past, you know, five years. But that first brick lay down for the suicide sounds career was it's, it's invincible. And that was pure heart. That was pure. Okay, this is what this is what it is. I love this music. And, uh, never wavered the music. So always, you know, know, I didn't do a lot of things right in my career. So when, so the few things I did right, you know, that I hold that to my, to my heart. And that, and that's one of the few things out of all the mistakes, out of all the failure, always had that first brick laid down. And that helps you get through bullshit. And valleys and tough times, you have your foundation, you know. I do have good friends that I could rely on or contact, hang out with,

family stable family that only gets you so far now I have you know a stable woman in my life and that's helped me the past almost seven years so that's it took me a while to realize that you can't do things by yourself it works when again like when you

when you're in your teens and you're just discovering you even have a weener like is just like oh should I have a wiener and then like you're trying to do stuff and then you can barely have a you barely have thoughts when you're in high school and then um so you do the best of what you have which you know for me was stubborn ego didn't listen to people like I had my this is the sound and that's it uh whatever it was said here what was popular this didn't matter but now it's like it's different now like I can do that now like ego analysis will actually make the band fall apart so I guess without knowing I think I'm kind of figuring out right now like you know like uh because bullshit

never goes away either um you're talking we're just talking about 2002 so uh three four five six twenty four years still dealing with bullshit I mean look look look at your own life you get older you get more wiser there's still life to deal with there's still another problem another thing you gotta figure out another emotion that you got to figure out

same thing with music you know is just I still go there bullshit and the past week I've been journaling I don't want to talk about a lot that's been helping so kind of evolving

with that man how do you get through how do you get their bullshit I could talk about this subject for a long time so I better cut it short um confidence too

I mean I just confidence and and uh following your fucking heart dude the gut following the gut so yeah stand without fear thank you for your question man yeah that that's a question

and probably pop up a lot and we'll re-answer again and again uh let's see ooh X rockerful X is there any other accomplishments

uh Well, can I talk accomplishments you still want to achieve? Yes. Is there time? That is the question. Yeah, let's see. What do I want to do? Not break up.

That's gotten very close many times. So, stoked that hasn't happened. So now the door is open of what I want to do. I've been very vocal about one of my dreams and about the Fender stuff. So what I learn also do you like, man, just staying in the game sometimes. Like, holy shit, just outlasting people. Well, like, that's success in its own. Any other accomplishments you still want to achieve?

On the top of my head right now, it's, you know, my priorities are different. I'm lucky that music might actually support me. So, you know, I want to buy a house, you know, with solely, solely with suicide and podcast money. That's straight up, I'll be honest. Like, that's what I want to do. So that, that's a big goal. It's pretty grandiose given where I am at.

I'm in Southern California. I was just having this conversation a couple weeks ago. with my lady hey what if if money wasn't an issue what do you want to live and uh she said orange county if you're not aware what what orange county is it's uh

it's uh people think i'm from LA I'm not like we're not it's it seems like it look at a map but LA is it's you might even it's a different place dude like I don't like going there but uh

it is kind of a hub of where things happen. A lot of shows are there. But I mean, yeah, I'm, I'm over an hour outside of L.A. Orange County is without traffic, which is never. That's 30 plus minutes away. It's very outside of L.A. It's like a whole different area. So we're in Orange County now, which is Santa Ana.

We might be in the most, yeah, Santa Ana is known as a cheapest spot in Orange County, which is why does podcast exist? Got very lucky with this spot. but we're talking about uh and it hit me and it was like oh i would live there like where do i want to be at and i was like i want to be in maybe irvine maybe irvine might be a spot and i don't know if you if you don't know what irvine is how do you say this the only way i could describe irvine is a very expensive place when i go there i'm like all people here have money all right It's a pretty expensive place.

So that's a pretty grandiose goal I have to someday live in Irvine, California, or at least around there, like pretty close. And it's graniteous because I want to do it with music. And I think it's possible now. And as the weeks go on, it's been a weird month. Like I had a few thoughts, but just this is one of them, like, I wouldn't have thought this two months ago. like the possibility it seems so far away but now

I have a more clear head and it seems actually attainable so that's a pretty big goal I have with me and my lady maybe future family we'll see

I got a little bit of money like a couple months ago it's like man And this was like, it popped in there. Like, like the 20-year-old kind of clipped in there. Like, hey, you should, you should buy a car. You should buy Cadillac. And I was like, well, it's still there.

That fucking dumb ass is still in there. Just to waste money. Throw money away. I don't know where my money went in my 20s. So, it feels like a second chance at life to, uh, I'll save money. That's my, that's my old car.

I will buy it. I will buy this car again. But when it's right. It's cool. I'm, you know, saving money. You know,

I'm thinking about, thinking about, I might fucking bore everybody. I'm thinking about mutual funds, the IRAs, retirement, all that stuff. So it's,

it's possible. Possible with a clear mind. There's some stuff I want to do. can't say too much with the guitar tone effects it's probably all I can really say um something's what happens sooner and later um but with the help of all you guys um it's cool to get I'll just have this conversation with Jay today like it's kind of crazy like I get some stuff now just from the pod like kind of like some some free stuff I'm like damn like just the you know all you allowing

um me to be a part of your life every week you know it's giving me some some leverage and pool which I didn't have with a band I still don't have with a band um so that's opened up some other possibilities of what I I could do with music um so without saying too much yeah so

the defender is obvious a place to live um place where uh yeah just afford with just just music this music this is music and um it's possible now not being an idiot with my money i don't know where my money went in my 20s dude i went to fucking i would go to i would go to buffalo wild wings and buy everybody yeager bombs what a fucking idiot dude um it comes up too like you know i'll buy everybody drinks you fucking shut up you're an idiot

that dumb party it comes up. It's always there. He's got to tell it to shut up. Yeah, and just again, yeah, just more more, uh,

more guitar stuff. Um, uh, just sharing, finding ways to share the tone. Like, we have like the quad cortex tone on, uh,

on our Patreon, but there's other stuff I kind of want to do. Uh, that gets people more access. Um, I can't say too much about it but yeah there's there's things there's things brewing um fuck am i going to have a kid i don't know i'm gonna have a freaking kid me i'm me uh people already say i'm uncle maxing so my

dad max too i don't know we'll see we'll see but yeah uh thank you for your question um we'll see what what the future holds just keep keep watching keep listening i'm not going to go anywhere. All right. Number, uh, this actually might be the same question. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, we, we can answer it. Brandon, one, two, three.

If you had to leave SoCal for good, where would you move? So I'm lucky, man. I'm lucky that, uh, uh, the band's been almost everywhere. I forgot how many times people in the South America. Australia, Asia, Japan, Europe, United Kingdom, Mexico, Canada, Hawaii, Russia, India, India once. And there's this, I think I think we talked about it here before, there's like this, when we get into L-EX and we're driving home. There's this It's the off ramp from

The 91 to the 15 that hits my exit and every time I hit it, I'm like I don't know I can't I can't explain the feeling. It's just like oh this is where I live This is Corona This is green. It's nice It's just just just the way like the off ramp is is like it's high. It's like a high off ramp. So you kind of see You get a good. You get a good. view of what's uh what's going on it is a yeah when you see pictures of it it's a crazy off-ramp there's a lot going on there it's a lot of people that's horned up trying to get to work

or go or go to the bar and meet i meet a date you know there's a lot of shit going on but i think whenever i think about it man i'm doing all i can to stay here it's pretty common you know People, especially in bands, will move out of California because it's cheaper. And they could, uh, which, you know, I have more power to them. That's sick. But, uh, there's something about the grind of California that I enjoy. It keeps you on, on your toes. I personally enjoy.

Um, keeps me focused. Um, but I just don't see my, I, I just can't even, I tried. I, I can't even imagine living outside the country or, or, or the state. Watch, I'm fucking out of state in five years from now. Who knows? But,

uh, I said right now, I'm doing all I can to stay here. It's, um, we're talking, uh, maybe,

you might get an apartment in Chino Hills, which is still Corona area. Um, that's off of 71 freeway. Chino Hills is pretty cool. um like you're pretty separated but still you know still place to go affordable but uh i can't since so cow is every time we fucking come back it's like damn this place is fucking and corona is sick dude i fucking love it here man i love it and uh i did live in riverside for a while with my high

school buddy i still talk to still a great friend of mine David he let me move in when right after Mitch passed away he let me I really needed a place to stay and uh he gave me a room for cheap dude it was like $5,000 bucks rent I'm in Southern California dude

and I got my own room clean house it was like I was there for a few years he really helped me out and uh and we still hang out and go to brewery um besides that man i just but also riverside is basically corona it's like connected it's a connecting town it's not like you're i mean my parents house was still so like a few exits away same with chino it's like the neighboring town but uh i can't leave soCal man just that drive

that fucking fifth that that that 91 to 15 after a long shitty flight after a 14 hour flight from who knows where. It still gets me. Like, wow. This is Southern California. This is Corona. Wow, it's fucking beautiful. But yeah, I'm lucky, man.

I'm lucky that Suza Sons gave me this perspective. And maybe there's like, oh, maybe I'm biased. Maybe there's like a, I don't know, maybe there's like a childhood attachment to it. They say that with food.

Like, you ever take someone to like your favorite restaurant? I'm like, this is the best. Because you have that attachment to it and then they're like, that's all right. They're like, fuck you. And then it might be like that, but it's a fucking cool town, man. It's growing a lot.

Yep. Appreciate your question, man. Let's do the, uh, we'll fucking hammer through, do this one. All right. Hello visitor. Still meditating regularly. I heard that you all did transatlantic. I always had trouble saying this word

Transcendental Meditation When making the self-title album Love that album by the way We did talk about that, huh? Yeah, they They call it TM Is that out there?

Did we talk about that shit? I don't know Yeah, right before, obviously that record was, is what it is And I appreciate you jamming it Yeah, they They call it TM

And I remember what uh what Beatles record did they write um where they were all they were all doing TM um highly okay so seeking spiritual guidance beyond material success this pivotal highly productive retreat led to the writing of many songs for the white album and abbey road despite the band members leaving at different times So yeah So the band went and saw a Go

So they went and saw the And Marhaari Ishi Yogi Yeah so So once I found out they did this It sparked my curiosity

Because I was already meditating at the time This simple stuff, like a guided 10 minute fucking 10 minute thing a 20 minute thing and I read

a book it might have been through through the same guy the Maraishi I can't say that word Marishi I think he has a book

on a on TM yeah there it is Science of Being So science of being An Art of Living Transcendental Meditation

Very hard read I don't know I have fun with it But then again I might be in a different spot In my life So if you check it out You might like it

So Right before it is self-titled The Beatles sparked my curiosity I found out about this guy And then I read the book Which even sparked More curiosity about TM And then

My big takeaway from that book Wasn't even Sometimes you read a book man And you get like one golden nugget sometimes. It's just one like random thing. And there is a section in there where it talks about karma. And it made me rethink about karma.

Also you got to also like the age. You got to think about age. I mean when was that? We're talking more late 20s. So age is a factor there. Still very, you know, trying to find yourself. Still very confused. looking for solutions, which is an interesting time, I think, in all our lives.

So I read this very hard book, and there's a, yeah, I remember there's a section about karma. And I know a few people don't believe in karma. I personally believe in karma. And it's a section there where, oh yeah, I think that too, where karma will, it, um, it hit, like, It explained it in this way. It hits the wall, comes back to you. Goes outside the wall. Hiss the tree, come back to you.

It goes outside. Hits the stars. Comes back to you. And then when you're not alive anymore, the karma is still reacting and then it actually will affect the people closest to you. And that fucking freaked me out. How I think people are so focused on it on themselves.

where they focus on their own karma, but their own karma will affect, it affects people closer to you, and that shit fucking freak me out. It goes beyond the walls. I mean, small things or big things. That shit fucking freaked me out. You're like, oh, okay, this isn't,

by fuck up. It doesn't affect me. It affects everybody. And it keeps going. It keeps bouncing off shit, bouncing off the tree, and then stars comes right back to you. which is uh i believe it's true um but yeah uh regularly which is the first part of your question

yes uh i think i need to to be honest to you guys uh i should deepen the practice more i've been doing like five minutes in the morning i'll sit there thinking about my breath i'm looking for a new practice because uh a podcast fucked me up i was doing like the calm app for a while which did it help. It's like a guided meditation. Super simple. You could choose two minutes, five minutes, 10 minutes, 15, 20. I think it's a little pricey. But, uh, and then someone said something on a podcast and that fucked me up. It was like, yeah, it's kind of like a weird thing where you're meditating, but you're meditating with, with your phone, but you're supposed to be meditating without a phone, right? As a whole purpose of meditating as being, you know, present and

kind of being, uh, opening your, that self-awareness, but it's funny that you do it on the phone, right? And it fucked me up. So I stopped doing it. And I, uh, I haven't really found a solid practice yet. Now this question kind of opens up the, um, the door where I probably should. But I still do it, you know, five minutes, sit there. I try to do it with, with, with Leo, Leo the cat out in the backyard. We'll fucking just chill out there for 10 minutes. Just think about nothing. It helps, dude. it helps especially lately it seems so I'll end it with

with this it seems so fucking pointless and you never get good at it it's one of those things you like you don't get good at it but you need to do it and the times where you think it's pointless is that's actually when you need to do it um I'm meditating at yeah 27

so we're talking like at least 12 years of experimenting with it i'm i'm terrible at it's just i compare it to yoga too like i do yoga but i'm not good at it but you get the full benefits of it though like you when you do it and you get all shit that you feel better like you get the full benefit same same with meditation if you're like if you're bouncing off the fucking walls in your in your brain your skull you know it's it's doing the work like you're doing a great job It's just funny how still it's like So hard to be present during it. It's this

Coming from someone that's done it over a decade. It's like it's funny. It's still like It's still tough, but uh I recommend it um Obviously it's not for everybody but if you're curious about new shit to try Oh, excuse me um Try it out. You might like it and I would start like just

simple this don't even do TM don't do TM don't even do a guy to just fucking sit down just try to just try to sit down that's the toughest part that's the toughest thing dude just sit down and that's what I've been doing until I find a more solid practice

but uh just time to sit down for five minutes do for a minute Who cares? A minute is better to no minutes, right? And, uh, 5, 10, I find a

noticeable, uh, difference. Again, when you get older, it's just, like, little clicks,

little, uh, ideas pop up because you have room. Your mind's not fucking bounce off the fucking walls. But, uh, but, yeah,

I really appreciate your question. I've been choosing questions more like this. because I believe it was the first solo we talked about not drinking I was pretty overwhelmed on the response did really well and I was like I purposely pick questions how more personal and less about music

and I was very surprised how they all did I was very surprised so it's kind of giving me more confidence to pick like this stuff I want to talk about just personal stuff and then we'll sprinkle in music. Normally I will play guitar, but I forgot my rig.

So next time. Well, next time I'm next solo. I'll be introducing a new piece of gear. So that's something to look forward to two weeks from now. I forgot my main rig, but when we come back,

we're going to have something fresh. And you probably already know what it is. So yeah, thank you for your question and good luck on your we got a line six spider are they still making those things

and a spider is still killing it dude but fuck it dude sounds good I have a spider in in my room is awesome gets out the idea um yeah it's fucking sick

well yeah thank you for all those questions shit we got a fucking hammer through these let's uh try and think I'm going to approach this man. So this happened right after, right before. Was it a podcast with the Treu, I think?

Or, yeah, we just found out about, about Bo. Like someone fucking Bo from a Harm's Way and Hardlaw. Remember someone texts me. And, you know, sometimes that you get news and like, it won't compute. You're like, what? Nah, what the fuck is this? And then I saw the years Um, it was, yeah, it was this exact post.

Someone, someone texts me. Bo, 1987 to 2006. I was like, what am I looking at? Like, what I don't know what I'm looking at. And then, uh, yeah, the reality sets in that, uh, he, um, yeah, he, uh, he, uh, passed away. Um, 87 so that'll that'll be 38

because I'm I'm 85 so I'm 40 so was he is he 38 years old man a young gentleman still I was it sounds like 38 and uh

it's fucking sad man 38 has passed away at 38 not so fucking sad man it goes to show man they really didn't say exactly what happened but I think we all I think it's kind of like common sense

like maybe what happened. You never know what someone's going through, man. You just don't. I think we're all... I think we're all really good at putting it on a face. And I wonder what happened to him. I wonder if he... Like a thought popped up in there

and he just fucking went down that rabbit hole. Like, what was he thinking, man? I wonder what like what causes what causes this because even in like bad days I'll be thinking I'm like you it's so easy to go down in like a rabbit hole

you can open up a door in your own fucking mind and explore something that's not even fucking real and oddly enough it happens more when you get more clarity which is fucking scary yeah they

They have a goal Go fund me for a boat But that I mean they reached their I mean it's it fucking blew up Yeah yeah they they don't need need our help It's fucking it's it blew up It was just unfortunately it's great But um Yeah remember we were

To help with Mitch's daughter And her future which was Always Mitch's goal Um We like made these like shirts Um really cool design and it blows up you know and like it's such a weird it's a weird it's a weird it's just a weird fucking feeling like um like you're happy that it's blowing up but but but the reason is

fucked um it's like i Mitch accomplished this goal but at what cost and uh yeah everyone bought those shirts dude i think even like hot topic took him like it's just everybody was just down to a support it's such a weird it's a weird thing this is this is doing well but like it

why though yeah I was uh I was in the car driving here and I was jamming um harm's way uh which I probably even talk about that's how even going to end the pod

um my favorite was that they had they had They're fucking heavy. I mean, heavy shit. And then my favorite was, uh, it's off rust, uh, infestation. There's a fucking riff in there. I was like, holy shit, dude.

It was like a fucking top string riff. And if you, if you hit the top string, dude, I'm just in. Like you fucking got me, dude. If you hit a fucking nice, simple top string, four, four. I mean, I'm just, I'm just locked in. and uh i don't i can't even i can't even imagine what colin's going through or his family or his lady there's really nothing you there's really nothing you can say um you could show support which is nice like i like i remember um man it's fucking sad it's so sad man um um

It didn't click till later where it was like, oh yeah, I remember the people that hit me up that first day. So it does something. It does. But there's nothing to, but also at the same time, there's nothing to say. But there's something to be said about hitting the person up, right? All you really say is like, I'm sorry. at the the first two phone calls I got was from

our previous A&R person from Central Media Steve Joe, he was the first person to call and then and then I mean what what do they say and then what do you say right and I was like I realized I couldn't talk so I hung up

and then the next phone call was Rob Flynn but I learned that I shouldn't answer it and then the text started coming in I was like oh shit this is so coming back around I think putting comments helps you have a number a phone call which they probably won't pick up or ever call you back but I think the actual act is something there is something to be said about that the text I think help like a short something

I think it's better than nothing because your brain goes like oh they're going through a lot I'm not getting him up this happens pretty much every time

I see someone I know pass away like okay what are you gonna your brain goes like okay they're going through a lot I don't want to remind them

but I think it's better just to just send some some love It's so sad, man And these podcasts With Harlore and Bo and Colin They're gonna live forever

And So obviously check out Harlore He's right there, man It's weird when people die Um Because in a weird way They're more alive than ever Like you see them more

Like you hear them more You know, I put on, you know, harm's way. Well, there he is. I never had a conversation with Bo. But this music is sick. And, well, he's right there. Everything he probably feels about the planet is through the riffs. And it's just fucking sad, man.

So shout out to Bo and a hard lord man. Rest in peace, brother. Another record I was jamming. was a post-human that's also in my it's how I'm gonna close it

but um it's so fucking sad man wow now with with death things just transcend unfortunately it is

it goes cross genre like when there's when there's a death dude like everyone hits you up and everyone kind of understands and then you're put into like a really weird category of a handful of people in bands

um Yeah, when we first came back with Eddie, like, getting hit up by almost random people, like big bands. You're like, oh, yeah, I forgot. Like, your, uh, your singer is dead or your guitar player is dead. I forgot. Your bass player is dead. Now you're in, you're in like this category. It's weird.

It's a weird thing to being. I remember when I was late 20s, I heard someone say, um, when you turn 30, people start dying. Oh, my goodness, dude. it's one of those unfortunate things that is so true well as always I try to make these things short and now we're our 10 in

all right um Jay anything that we we should cover uh went to the moon we did go to the moon but it's probably at the moon right now

and saying fuck you guys I'm at the fuck isn't that kind of weird dude like where um man there's so much going on in our phones and the planet that we forgot people were

going to the moon how many people went went to the moon four four people went to the moon i think one of them is from pomona jay Victor glover Victor glover he had a Ontario high school he had a crazy dream

motherfucker went to the around the moon. Wow. How many days did the trip take? Seven days. The Artemis II mission is roughly a 10-day, specifically seven days, 20 hours and 19 minutes based on,

okay. So seven, 10 days? Wow, you want the space for a week? Wow, dude. Okay, real quick. I'm not going to open up the door, but... Um... Do you believe in the first moon landing, J?

Do you think we actually went... Went to moon, landed, and then left? Uh, yeah. Because I looked into it a little bit. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I mean, it wasn't like... It was just to beat the Russians.

Of course. It was a space race, uh, military dominance, technological thing. Hmm. And, uh, and the Russians confirmed it. So that's why they didn't really argue with it. Oh. But that was it. There's no reason to go back.

Oh, there's no reason. Like, why? Like for science. Like, it wasn't about science. It was just about beating the Russians. Of course. So. It's, this whole planet is as a competition, dude.

Wow. Um, I go back and forth, dude. I don't know. But I do believe the trip, though. Because you don't have to land. And if it's only a way. week, week 10 days, you could, you could survive. I wonder what they saw, man.

They saw the planet. Like, they, they actually, man. At that point, who did you hang out with? Say, hey, dude, I fucking went to the moon. And you're fucking, and you're talking about Instagram. Fuck, what do you? How do you relate to people now, man? You fucking, you saw the planet, dude.

You went to space. 72 photo wow 2026 why does this 72 look look better I think they got the dark side

because you can see the the sun would be on the other side okay that's where we live we are literally on that fucking sphere that that's fear

love hate murder yeah beautiful fucking moments beauty that's a crazy

place, man. We fucking live there. We live there, dude. There's a clip where the astronauts talking about how everything we've ever known just exists on that little thing. Wow. Holy crap.

Well, shout out to Victor, representing Pomona, dude. 701 freeway. We were just talking about it earlier. Like, what a crazy, what a fucking crazy dream, dude. I'm going to space. You know, like, Dude, you're an idiot.

And he fucking did it. Wow. He's got to stay in school. Yeah, wow. Congrats, man. What an accomplishment. He had a statement? Oh, yeah, yeah.

That was his little speech. A statement's going viral? Oh, yeah. You said, let's close it with this. What do you say? Fuck everybody. You're all a bunch of bitches. Almost the moon.

Get that moon pussy, dude. I'm glad you brought that up, though. I think these observances are important. And as we are so far from Earth and looking at, you know, the beauty of creation, I think that, for me, one of the really important personal perspective that I have up here is I can really see Earth as one thing. And, you know, when I read the Bible and I look at all of the amazing things that were done for us who were created, it's, you know, you can really. you have this amazing place, this spaceship. You guys are talking to us because we're in a spaceship really far from Earth, but you're on a spaceship called Earth that was created to give us a place to live in the universe and the cosmos.

Maybe the distance we are from you makes you think what we're doing is special, but we're the same distance from you. And I'm trying to tell you, just trust me, you are special. In all of this emptiness, this is a whole bunch of nothing, this thing we call the universe. you have this oasis, this beautiful place that we get to exist together. I think as we go into Easter Sunday thinking about, you know, all the cultures all around the world, whether you celebrate it or not, whether you believe in God or not, this is an opportunity for us to remember where we are, who we are, and that we are the same thing and that we got to get through this together. Oh, wow. That's beautiful, man.

It is, I mean, his perspective is this, I mean, It's, it's unmatched. He fucking saw the planet for, for what it is. It's one thing, dude. We're all just fighting on, on TikTok. I wonder if he's, uh, I wonder what his relationship is with, with his phone. It's like, when you go, when you go, man, you see that? She's like, what, where do you go?

I mean, do you, I mean, do you even stop fucking? I mean, what do you do? Again, shout out, shout out to Victor, man. Just fucking doing a damn thing. What's up with this riff, dude? This fucking stolen a riff. Oh, yeah. Kiko Lodero.

Okay, so this is something with Arch Enemy and Kiko. So Kiko posted this. He said, just helping to promote Arch Enemy official's new song. You're welcome. Okay. Kiko. Okay. We're jamming this prior.

Cool song. Okay. Oh. Okay. So it might... Am I about to open myself up to a lot of hate? Should we do it, Jay? I'm down.

Okay. Do we need to hear it again? No. I think what got me was, what the tone is similar, which is a little bit of a mind fuck. The tuning. Sounds like it's the same key and everything.

Um. But it sounds like a metal thing. I don't know. When did the Kiko song come out? I wonder when that. One year ago. Okay. So this helps me.

So maybe people won't hate me too much. Okay. I believe that ideas sometimes, dude, they're just out there. And people just take them. That's my personal belief. Straight up, it's very similar. But, man, it just happens sometimes. Especially now, I mean, we're in 2026.

Damn, there, everything's been done. Every key, every solo, like, combination. And, like, it's, it's just going to happen more. Maybe, uh, we had a record called, remember, you must die. And Polyphea literally has the same name at the same time. It was like, it's just in like the air. Like, they did not rip us off.

We didn't rip them off. It's just, it's just an idea. I guess like, like, what are the odds that the same, both of our same new records have this, so close to the same name. So close. Okay. So, so, so their record is, remember that you will die. And ours is. remember you must die.

I mean, is this out there, man, like ideas are out there. Rifts are just, riffs are just borrowed anyways. Um, I mean,

it happens all the time where I write something. I'm like, oh shit, that's fucking corn. Oh, that's a little bit too similar to this. What helps me is, I just rip off myself.

I rip off pseudos. Like, okay, well, what are people, what are people going to say? Well, it sounds like Sousa songs. Oh, yeah, it's me, you fucking idiot.

But it's... Or a common one is Fear Factory. Like, everything has been done before. Like, oh, that's a... I'll do a pattern. Oh, that sounds too much like Dino. It's too much like Fear Factory. Maybe they just...

Arch Enemy just didn't know. I mean, it is a great song. I'm reading right now. But, oh, no, man. It is very similar. And also, uh, Michael Amat

I mean talking about a ripper a ripper and also Kiko they're kind of like both rippers and sometimes I don't know you might do a similar lead

and there's so much music out there that it's impossible to keep up but again isn't that kind of weird that it's in a similar time you know I think the thing that

gets everyone is like kind of a similar tone might even sound like the same key as Jay said but it's gonna happen I mean

I think riffs are borrowed in general um it's really hard to be original with the how many years

metal guitar has been around and certain kind of leads and um and I'm gonna go I think Gico is Classically trained And it's probably doing a very similar scale

I'm gonna assume that Michael Amont also knows the scales I don't know scales So I'm not in that realm But They're probably using like a same Similar scale Like a similar progression That they're just jamming

That neither of them wrote I mean who wrote Who wrote scales right Who wrote the fucking major scale actually who did write that? I think it just exists. It just exists. Who invented scales, right?

I mean, is that just... So this is Adam of my wheelhouse. I'm not a scale guy. So when I do something, no one can say, that's that scale, that's that theory. Okay, musical scales,

according to AI overview, musical scales were not written by one person, but evolved over thousands of years, rooted in physics and developed by developed by ancient civilizations. Civilizzias. I can't say that word. Civilizations. Key contributors include

what the fuck is that word. Pythagoras? Who who defined mathematical ratios for intervals and ancient Babylonian, Egyptian and Greek musicians

who established early Dytonic systems Oh So it's a lot This is a lot of shit Wow Okay so it's not one person It's developed over thousands of years

I don't know that I didn't even know how How long scales have even existed Holy crap But straight up dude It's too similar It's very similar but again

it's just a coincidence it's just a weird coincidence and this is a good time for Arch Enemy and Kiko did kind of which Kiko did it right it's kind of promote both ways and get that nice cross get that cross promo going

I'm all about you know crossover this is a happy accident you know and plus they both like it's helpful when it's an established artist they already prove themselves everyone knows that they're both sick so it's like you know

you can't really say much you know but uh wait isn't wait who plays guitar in Architeemy Michael and uh who else so it's Jeff Loomis but uh who my

my memories Joey Concepcion probably feeling in oh no he's in it Joey okay Well, it could have been Joey, could have been Kiko But I couldn't do that gig, dude I couldn't play an archer enemy, you fucking kidding me?

I barely play in Suisans I tried to play in Slaughter. I fucked that one up But man, it's so similar. Fuck. It happens, dude. And also, I learned, people only really don't care, dude. I mean, how many

Death Corps bands sound the same? Like, oh, this is so sick. It's, you know, it's music. Who cares? As long as both sides promote each other, I think it's sick. But man, it's similar. But cool, I learned some. Skills are thousands of years old.

And it's not made by one person. It's kind of one of those like common sense questions that you never really figure out until real time. So I learned some. Cool. All right. Unfortunately, I failed again. I'm like, I'm going to do an hour.

And now we're at hour 30. sorry jay okay i will be uh let's see well by the time this comes out it already happened but tonight i'm going to see orbiculture i want to give me a shout out

at the observatory uh so i'll be there drinking some uh non-accoholic ipeas if you saw me cool um i will be at the Guar

soulfly show uh Saturday April 18th That'll be at the Blasco Right in the fucking Right in L.A. dude I'm going L.A. We're just talking about how much I don't like going there.

But yeah, I'll be at the Blasco Seeing some Legends And so again Guar, Soulfly, Blasco Saturday, April 18th. I will see you there. If you see me,

at the bar, you know what to get me. That is kind of, that's been kind of weird. Like, hey, you want to drink? I'm like, no, no, I'm cool. You want, you want a shot? No, I'm cool, man. I'm cool. You want to get an non-alcoholic one.

I'll fucking, I'll rage. I'll fucking rage that way. To me, raging has been three beers. I'm raging, dude. Because that's all that could fit. Like, I try to, like, down it. I'm like, dude, I'm like, oh, this is feeling. It is feeling.

dude um so yeah i'll see you at the show and you're in california uh as always check out the uh we're gonna be pushing the merch and patreon way more i'm not gonna bore you with it right now uh youtube is is youtubeing in real time uh you can't even hum riffs anymore um i got the amount on ties for the corn riff So now they're whatever I don't know if it's AI Whatever system they have that runs the videos through It's It's happening in real time So I'm not going to rely on YouTube anymore

As far as money So you'll be We'll be pushing the merch and Patreon a lot more So yeah check out the merch I'm wearing one Domino's Garza podcast shirt Check out the Patreon Patreon. Patreon.com slash guardsap podcast

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