Garza Podcast - 231 - MGK: Nu Metal, Yungblud & Dealing with Hate

Episode Date: May 4, 2026

Garza sits down in-person with rapper, songwriter & actor Colson Baker. Known to the world as MGK & formerly Machine Gun Kelly. New song “FIX YOUR FACE” w/ Fred Durst out now! https://instagram.com/machinegunkellySupport the Podcast Here: https://patreon.com/garzapodcast00:00 - Machine Gun Kelly’s Preferred Name03:15 - FIX UR FACE Backlash & Gatekeeping12:34 - Warped Tour 201114:38 - Corey Taylor “Beef”16:40 - Fred Durst Being a Mentor19:57 - Being Outspoken28:12 - Writing FIX UR FACE28:41 - Linkin Park & Chester Bennington30:20 - The Howard Stern “Aerials” Cover34:39 - Moving to Cleveland36:19 - Favorite Limp Bizkit Songs & Ben Stiller37:46 - DMX43:56 - 99 Shows in 105 Days w/ Tech N9ne47:47 - Kendrick Lamar50:04 - The Schecter Razor Blade Guitar52:28 - Cleveland Hang Spots55:22 - The Dirt, Tommy Lee & Jeff Tremaine58:59 - Why Artists Are Not Honest & Outspoken1:06:25 - Dealing with Hate1:10:44 - mgk’s Sacred Tobacco1:18:12 - Mike Shinoda & Chino Moreno1:22:21 - Radiohead // Musical Inspiration1:25:17 - Good Charlotte1:27:35 - Simulation Theory1:30:21 - Community & Enemies1:36:36 - Yungblud1:40:04 - New Album1:41:48 - Wiz Khalifa Tour1:42:59 - Top 3 Songs to Check Out

be a tugging. What, what do your friends call you? Or what do you go by? Loaded, loaded question. Uh, a lot, I mean, since I was a kid, everyone called me Kells. Kells. Okay. But, uh, my real name's Kulson. Okay. Um, so I, I've started hearing that a lot more lately. Um, I never even really heard that name, uh, for so long, especially in my adult life until I was maybe like 26. I was doing a show called Rode's with Cameron Crowe. I was playing a guitar tech. And like because I was, you know, uh, acting in like a serious show is like they obviously weren't going to call me Machine Nellie or MGK or Kells or, you know, so they were just calling me Colson and I was like, oh, I like, I dig that. Oh, I dig my name. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But,

uh, you know, and then like, yeah, a lot of people call me Machine. Really? Yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. Okay. Yeah. Young thugs. started calling me a machine like in like 2017 2018 and we all kind of were like ah yeah it's fire all right so there's there's really no wrong answer there's no wrong answer okay there's no wrong answer my my brain went to kelves okay so that's where you know what you know why that's appropriate why because i actually met you when that was the only nickname people were calling me okay i don't know if you know this but i booked your band to perform at my festival Yes, but it was you personally.

Yeah, I was like, oh, I'm a big fan of these guys, like, bring these guys through. Because I remember as a kid watching, do you remember that like warped reality show, like, warped tour? Yes, yes. And it was like, it had y'all with Mitch, I had never say never. Yeah, yeah. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes, yes. And I just remember being like, fuck.

I was just, I loved that. I was I loved that um I don't know what you call it a documentary I guess or it was yeah like a doc I loved that shit so much and yeah I would occasionally still watch it with uh with Mitch's dad also because he it's like part of one of like the only docs of him like playing like shows yeah so uh it was phenomenal dude so I remember you know we were we we were such a liability on festivals early on because I was, you know, climbing shit. And, you know, we were, we were just, we were wild backstage and we were wild on stage. And like, I remember a lot of festivals were like, nah, we don't, they wouldn't give us,

what do you call, like, performers insurance or something. And you have to, you have to have that to perform a lot of the big festivals. Yes. So we were like, okay, well, fuck it. We'll just throw our own festival in Ohio. Yeah. And, uh, what was the town name again? I think y'all performed when it was at Nelson's Ledges.

Yes, which was, which was, it was a millin nowhere. In middle of nowhere. Yeah. It was like, where, where am I? Yeah, I'm trying to remember what year y'all did, but I just, I was like, you know, I just, it's, it, all this sparked from that reaction video you did to fix your face. Yes. So, uh, I, I did, I just gave an honest opinion on a song you just put out with Fred Durst, which is one of my, I mean, I've made it, I don't know how many times I've, I've, I've, I've, I've made it. I don't know how many times.

I've said it publicly that I love new metal I made it apparent since the band started to now and so I just gave up opinion about a new metal song cool well I got um it was my first taste of like oh people aren't fucking with me right now and I got a lot of hate for it and what because you said you like my song yes

so I was like huh all right it was oh Garza with the rare rare L I was like to me I was just reacting to what I thought was a new middle song. I like when I like when the gates are fucking is kicked down. Yeah. That meet me personally. So me I just kind of innocently, ignorantly maybe too. Okay, I'm just going to, okay, this is how I reacted, put out, made a clip of it. And then I didn't really kind of, I didn't expect the reaction. But you said the right word, man, it was innocent, which means it's pure, which means it's real. And like, authenticity can't be, can't be contrived. So your, your, your opinion is valid. and should be appreciated because honestly what you're doing is helping all genres by being

someone who's you know like I guess you would be a purest I guess in your world yeah like you are somewhat of a gatekeeper sure yeah right so to me I look at people when they have a surface level issue like I heard you use the word genre hopping but to me I'm like obviously I mean my credentials are all there as far as if you want to go back with how far I my rock roots stem back but I went back and and we can go them up we can go through those but just as a blanket statement it's like oh like all this strikes me as is that your playlists are boring you know like we like we I love all music you know that to me there's only two genres of music there's good music and bad music you can way to put it and and

and and and and and and and and and and also we like we like we're like we're gonna we believe in keeping. That is ironic. Right. So but but but check me though. Okay. I'm listening. I think what a lot of people are doing if this is, if if, if music is a class, I think they're taking the MGK test having done no studying and no research. Yes. So I think and then they're wondering why they're getting a bad grade, you know? And so I think what you did and why I chose the count come here on such a whim, you know, like the universe is so beautiful, man. I was in my backyard. I was smoking a cigarette. And I was like, oh, I've seen the homie Garza. Like, because by the way, it's so funny. We, uh, we also toured, I think the festival circuit when we were all opening for

like system of a down and food fighters in Europe. Yes. Because I remember specifically that tour, because we had this Mali rock that would never go away. The Mali, yeah. No matter how much we shaved this thing down. I remember the Mali. We would end up, we've ended up on your bus before. Yeah. You know, like this is back.

I forgot about the Mollie. Yeah. We couldn't give this shit away enough. It was a softball-sized Molley Rock that would never. Okay, so Mollie is a rock. It's like a big. It's a crystal. It's a crystal.

Okay. Yeah, but it look, like you see that. Yeah. That is pennies compared to what? This is getting blurred, Japer's shirt. Okay. Yeah. But I forgot about the Molly.

Yeah. So, you know, so anyway, I saw that. And I was with the boys, actually, my band, who we all, you know, like, the guys who would go on your bus and stuff like that. Shout out to Rook. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we were, like, they were bringing up like, oh, like, this is the homie, you know, like, we, you know, we, you know, we know all them. And I knew that I had had you guys on the festival way back in the day. I forgot about the Europe shit, obviously, probably because it was just a lot of drugs.

Yeah. I just remember watching System one day when we were in, I don't remember what country, dude. I just remember watching them. I don't remember what song they were doing. Maybe it was lost in Hollywood or something. I just remember having, like, the most euphoric experience, like, whoa. Like, feeling the music gods, like, just wash me in good, and good, like, the harmonies they were hitting and the good. They just, they sound so good.

dude. But anyway, I was like, you know what? I'm going to hit, bro. Like, I should just pull up there. You know, like I should, I should, and I opened a message. I opened on Instagram and I clicked the message button to hit you and you would hit me 10 minutes before. You had already messaged me. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And I was like, that's crazy. Are you serious? Yeah. Wait, so you were going to hit me up already before I hit you up. went already on my own accord to be like, yo, what the fuck? I ain't know that. I'm going to just pull up because like this community, and I don't mean just rock. I don't mean metal.

I don't mean new metal. I don't mean punk. I don't mean any. This community of music in general needs conversations like this. Yes. And I'm not, I mean, you know, I'll tell you this. The last thing I do when I go to sleep is wonder if anyone likes me. I could give a fuck less that.

if I if I was worried about people you know the thing is I saw also in the reaction you're like you know MGK successful we can't get away from that we can't stop that but another

I another ironical irony another what's the word what's another thing that's ironic is that I would be so much more successful if I just did one thing and stuck to that.

Yes. I see it all the time because even when it's award shows or other things, no one knows where to put me. And I just find solace in that. I don't know why. I think I just find pleasure in making people be like, what the fuck is this? You know, but I've never done anything that's inauthentic to something I like. So you just go by.

Are you going by inspiration, gut feeling, you know, I'm just going to do this. Well, dude, if I wanted to be successful, you know what I do? Look at the top three songs in my catalog and just do those same songs over and over again. Yeah. Dude, if I look at my Spotify right now,

let's see. Let's see what in the top 10, how many. First song, pop, second song, pop punk. Second song, country rock. Four song, new metal. Fifth song. music song rap. Fifth song rap. Six song pop pop punk. Seven song pop punk. Nine song, I don't know what you consider maybe the one I do with bring me with Ali. I don't know what that fuck that is.

Rock. I don't know. Rock. Let's go rock. You know what I'm saying. Like I just, I'm just, dude, I'm a fucking Rubik's cube. You just got to keep playing. It's, it's not meant to be solved early. You know, like, that's just my, I'm proud of what I do. I love that my fans like always got to show up because they're like, what is, what, what, what, what him are we getting today? I understand that from the outside, it can seem, uh, it can seem odd. But, but, you know, it was odd was in 2012 when I, when I was on Warped and I had a big rap song out, but I was on stage with a six inch mohawk. It's just a dichotomy that's like, what the fuck? Like, but that's everything I was.

I was a street kid, but I was also a skater. Yeah. I was a punk, but I was also a rapper. I was in a garage band, but the next year at recess, I was, I was battle rapping. Yeah, it's just like, that's just, it's like, it's like, it makes me feel like, okay, I think actually, when did, when did y'all play Indiana? I was looking at when, I think it was 2010. Maybe I play a war at 2010. 2010.

2010, too. I think I was doing Ernie Ball in 2010, the Ernie Ball stage, you know, the truck that folds out. Oh, yeah, yeah. I think I was doing that one, 2010, maybe it was 2011. But it's like, if we're going by the rules, all these gatekeepers are making, then it'd be like, I'm supposed to just essentially, because I'm up there rapping, but I have my guitarist and my drummer at the time. But if I'm going off of the gatekeeper's way, then what?

I'm supposed to just rap. And just because I'm rapping, I can't go watch any other other bands. I'm supposed to just leave and go to a rap show. Like, I'm like, shit, I want to go watch suicide silence. Shit, I want to go watch Newfound Glory. I want to go watch. That was the beauty of warp, too. back in the day I was like

when we were all the years that we were on it all the bands would pull up and watch us do our shit yeah and they were kind of like fuck bro's going for it you know he's he's look like look at this shit this that warped oh my goodness 2010

2011 oh yeah that's 2011 and this ernie ball stage the truck that folds out this is when we were just like yep and I would play this is when I would do what's my age again by blink and I would take my pants off and this was essentially being like everybody who was going from one stage to the

other stage, I was like, you got to stop and watch this though. Kel's, I'm sorry, I completely forgot about this. Wow. Like, this is when foot traffic was going to, like, they would be watching y'all on a stage and then they'd be going to watch fucking Pennywise or something

and I'd be like, but no, look at me though. I'm in my fucking underwear up here. Like, I don't, I'm I'm sending it, dude. Yeah. Stop and watch me. There's probably 15 people watching this right now. Like on that stage.

But I was just... What's my age again? What year? Okay, so obviously you're coming up. What year did things change for you? Like, what was that like transition year? Like, okay, now I'm like... Brother.

Shit is like insane right now. Brother. They still haven't changed. Look. Oh, the heel flip. Look, let's go. I forgot about it. I used to also...

I forgot that I used to do this. I used to also be like, if I land this heel flip, I'll play the next song. Okay. But, uh, I'm scared of skateboarding, dude. Well, bro, dude. I don't want to fuck on my wrist.

I feel that. I feel that. Yeah, that's a valuable wrist you got. Thanks, man. I appreciate that. I, uh, dude, shit still didn't change from you, bro. You see, I'm still just, I'm, I'm boyish, man. My eyes are wide.

I'm like, man, what else can I do? The world's a big ass playground, dude. Yeah. Yeah, you dude, um, I mean, you, you've been, not music aside, you've been everywhere. And I didn't know that about you. And I think what people struggle with, Kels, with you,

is people only see your opinions and they forget the lyrical content of you. So, I mean, me, I am in the outside. So all I have is like a Corey Taylor headline. All I have is like a headline here. So like people kind of have. Right, right. And that's only in my world.

And you have a whole other world. I call it a tsunami of hate, which is what I told you earlier. Like it's like a you just get but I think people only Latch on to the opinions and they forget about the music sometimes But you bring up the Corey Taylor issue and it's like what do you do if someone punches you in the face? I'm gonna punch him back. Okay. Yeah Okay and you guys both but that's what that's what happened. Yeah, right? So I got punched in the face and I punched back and that's crazy or that's exactly what you would do too? I would

Okay and kick. All right. Yeah, that's a That's what I did. And you know what else is that, which is, I mean, look, Sid from Slipknot was a good friend of mine for many, many years before any of that. And, you know, I was bummed that he and I's friendship got fractured through that. Oh, did it? Yeah, but now me and Sid are back cool. And Corey and I haven't had a chance to speak, but I've seen him in interviews kind of be like,

yeah, I mean, bro, we were both tripping. Yeah, you, you, you, you. both had kind of expressed like some like some remorse and i mean as i mean look i don't have any remorse where i was started i'm a i'm a i'm a fan of you i asked you to get on the record he was originally on tickets to my downfall yes as a fan of you i said oh i think it would be really cool to see you know you do this type of verse on this song as a as a fan what was the song it was called can't look back and it's on the deluxe version okay um but uh you know that's just like the same way that you were like, if you get Fred to say, shut the fuck up on a record, that's a different moment.

Okay, but I called him and was like, Fred, I need this. I need 2003 hot dog flavored water, Fred Durst on this song. You know, so like you appreciated that, correct? Like when you heard that, like that was a if you know, you know thing. Yes. When I had him say, bring it on, come on, dude, that's classic Fred. That's, that's maybe, and that's, and Fred's a mentor of mine. I've always been a believer.

Never, he's always been big bro to me. I have so much respect for him and he also has respect for me as an art. We toured together, 2014, me and him. We did co-headliners when no one was giving a fuck about either of us. It was fucking 800-capped rooms, 1,200 cap rooms. I remember that. Machine Gun, Kelly, and Limp Biscuit, 2,000 people, sometimes 600 people.

And now they're fucking $2 million a show fucking playing for 100,000 people. You know, Limp Biscuit is legendary, absolutely legendary, right? But the respect that he had, for me, he allowed me to kind of ANR the record a little bit to be like, it'd be cool if I could get this. So I just did the same thing with Corey. Oh, you know, could we do this?

And no, you know, I think, he was just like, oh, that's not what I want to do, you know, so like I'm apt out of the record. Okay, cool, I respect that. That's all good. I mean, I've done that as well to other people. And, you know, then to go on and see, after the album comes out and has a success,

to see somebody that I looked up to shitting on me. Like I said, it's a punch in the face. What are you going to do? You punch back. I'm throwing, I'm throwing my hands. Okay. So when everyone came at me like I was some, you know, Antichrist, I was like, guys, like,

were you not raised like how I was raised? What I'm showing you is it's the same thing Corey would have done. I mean, Corey was the new kid on the block at one point with the gnarly mask who was coming out, and I'm sure the classic rock, you know, heads at that time were like, this isn't rock and roll. Mm-hmm. But it is.

It was rock and roll for us. us. Yeah. You know, duality was fucking crazy. Psychosocial is crazy. Those son of that's, that's, you know, absolutely. So I mean, am I a fan of Slipknot? 100% that I appreciate what happened. And am I going to defend myself and show my generation and the generations, you know, after us that like you don't have to kiss the ring. If there's, if there's disrespect behind it, fuck you. Yeah. Hey, everybody. Real quick, don't disrespect the podcast. I don't want to start throwing in these hands. Show us some love, support the podcast, and check out the Patreon. You get ad-free

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going to say what I want and this doesn't matter. Man, because all y'all taught us that shit. That's what the fuck we learned. That's what the rockers, you know, above, that's what the rappers, the fuck, that's what that's, that's, dude, I didn't, I had no, I had no present parents growing up. I had, you, you've been, I mean, you were born in Houston, you moved to Egypt. Yeah, I moved there two weeks after I was born. Like, they incubated me and until my heart came back normal, until my skin, unjondisted,

whatever the fuck, I, I, I moved to Africa. Because your parents are Christian missionaries. Oh, my dad. I mean, what happened is that my dad, there was someone very wrong with his brain and something very gnarly happened as a kid with him, which like, it's not the place to talk. But anyway, it's like what you do?

What do you do when something so gnarly happens? A lot of people turn to religion. Like, this will forget. all my sins. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, they go like hardcore into like religion and God. Yes.

Yeah. I've seen that. You know what I'm saying? So like that was my pops. Like everything, he was very much like American psycho. You know, like, what's, what's, like Patrick Bateman? Is that his name? Patrick Bateman.

Patrick Bateman. Like everything was like, there was, it was black and white. There was no gray. And so especially with me being like, you know, when I was like, I want to be a Dragon Ball Z character. Fuck no. I want to be a Jedi. Fuck no. I want to be a this.

I want to be that. I want to be a musician. Fuck no. You know, buy the book, by the book. Like do all the things that like I, you know, on. He was just that. My whole point was I grew up around juggies, gang bangers. fucking

people like my dad like hardcore I brought aside everything skaters punks it was just a melting pot of shit and I gravitated towards what was

like speaking to me that could raise me which was shit a lot of it was musicians and like people and TV and so when you're like why are you you know so opinionated it's like

shit you're talking about Fred Dirst like Fred Ders like Fred Ders was the same person who flipped the nine inch nails beef and made hot dog and said on the chorus I want to fuck you like an animal and like just flipped it on its head and was like you know like I'm opinionated and I'm also opinionated because I'm like I got opinions I have opinions and I have

let's damn And I'm not PR trained. I've never been that. Like, you can see it from the absolute cringeness of my early 20s and shit and all the interviews in my, it's like, I don't have no PR training. I'm just a fucking kid from Cleveland, Ohio, who just, who wasn't, you know, who dreamed that he would make it. But odds were that I wasn't going to make it.

And I made it. And so I'm just talking to the world, like, I'm talking in my living room with all my homies. And like, yeah, that's probably a mistake sometimes. but it's also like fuck it that's who I am like I'm

I'm giving you the most shit dude I'm human I'm not like I remember I called this one dude who he played drums for a specific

artist and he absolutely shitted on me on Twitter crazy viral tweet and I was like I knew somebody I'm petty as fuck I'm petty too

I knew somebody you knew him so I was like give me a number I called his phone like 16 times answered on the answer on the 17th time and I was like yo why this me why would you say that and he was like dude honestly man I just thought you were like Walmart or something like I didn't like I didn't like I didn't think you were like actually human or would ever see this people forget you're human yeah bro I'm the people forget it I'm insanely human

like I'm I'm too human that's why I'm here yeah I'm here because of that I like I don't I don't want to stay in fucking uh mount olympus like i'm like i i see something and i was like oh i'm reacting and it's not out of emotion it's because like i believe so much in music dude and i believe so much and like we always are so oh man the 70s man oh man the 80s man we're like but i'm like fuck they were all kicking it none of us want to kick it we're all like oh he's doing this so fuck that but I'm like ironically damn I've said that word ironically so much can you go synonym do a synonym for a different word for irony but irony is I mean well but like you it is kind of like

okay irony paradox that's too much all right it's too much okay okay but it's like bro I've been in the scene for so long I see you had brandon from a treu the other day up here that's been the homie for years you know like I like you know I see you and I'm like oh bro, they played our festival. Oh shit, we used to run on their bus with a giant ass Molly Rock. Like, you know, I'm like, I just, you know what it was? I learned from the mistakes that happened

that other people made when I came out with tickets to my downfall where the scene could have gravitated towards each other and elevated. So then what was the mistake then? The mistake was everyone was like, man, fuck you for making pop punk, like, how dare he? And a lot of them were, people that I'm like, yo, you, I literally used to play music with you. Like, we used to rock. Like,

we used to be, like, you would be on side stage at Warp Tour. Now you're acting like this is like, like, revelation, like something new. I'm like, you've seen this. Yeah. Even, even, even categorically, brother, like, dog, my first album had a Venned Sevenfold on it. My second album had Lizzie Hale from Hailstorm on it. Like, phenomenal rock. Even people like me, I didn't know that. I always jamming lace up. Oh shit. A fucking Matt's on the first track. For sure, But so I'm yeah and I'm just like and do like vacation with those guys But I'm like that could be all of us like when tickets to my downfall came out And the scene is starting to have this revival bro, we should gang up like let's let's you know let's rock like

Kellen Quinn yo brink hop on this hop on this song like Ali hop on this song like let's let's let's create a movement you know Because in the 70s you look that couch was full of everybody. It was Elton John it was Jim It was Janice Joplin. It was all these people, man, different colors, races, genders. Like, they were all just, and they were making different types of music, you know. But, like, as you could see, like, you came outside. Like, the second you came outside, I was like, oh, man, I rock with his energy. You know, I just am like, but I get it, though, because we should gatekeep.

I get it, I get it, though. And then you say that. But I'm like, but you know what, bro. To me, though, I think it's fun. It's fun when people do it with me. I just think like when they miss so many facts. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, you get an F on the MGK test.

Not you. Sure. But like a lot of people, I'm like, if you, all you got to do is be like, I don't like this song. But when you don't like a song because of this, isn't this and this and I can like have a rebuttal for all of it. I'm like, you fail. You know, like you can't be like I was, you can't, you can't be like. It's just the whole he started. rock thing at this time is just so, it's just, it's, it's tired, bro. It's a tired narrative. Like,

wake up, dude, this shit's fun. Fix your face is fun. This shit is fun, bro. Like, fix your fucking face. Straight up. That's why I said that shit. And also, oh, well, I like the beat, but I don't like him. Well, you do like me because we jam that in my living room. That's all of us playing that shit. I was going to ask you, how do you guys write it? And I mean, court, I heard a rumor it was in your living room. Yeah. Sitting on my steps in the living room right next to the conversation pit and we had actively been trying to make something kind of um I think for me man like the mecca is is uh is is is Lincoln Park and lint biscuit when you talk about meshing rap and rock that's the like that's the goal you know

of people who like did it so well you know um and i i tried it for the past couple years and nothing was really you know i'm really i'm hard on myself so nothing was hitting in the way that i wanted it to so you're trying to do something yeah but but nothing really stuck no and i mean even when we were i was opening for lincoln park back in the day and we were about to do um the American run. I was opening for them in Europe. And we were about to do the American run. And then, you know, Chester passed three days, I think before the American run started. Are you serious? Yeah. I know that. Yeah. So that, uh, interesting things have happened during the journey that would have, I guess, like, like spoon fed people the narrative a little bit easier. Where because that was kind of like,

that tour for me was, um, them helping me graduate to the mainstream and as far as like, rapping and rocking at the same time because that's what they did. And Chester was also, dude, I remember we were backstage at a show in Europe and he was like on the US run, dude, you should come up and do

like a Metallica cover with us. And I was like, oh, that's like, I'm just not, some, like my vocals can't hit that. And he was, dude, he's a great example. He was like, man, fuck it, dude, it's music. Like, just come have fun. Damn. Just shoot for it, bro.

And like, I watch people be so critical of me. I'll never forget. Like, people won't let me live down when I went on Howard Stern. And I say, and I sang Ariel's. And it's like, bro, this is at 6 o'clock in the morning. I'm off two percocets and like however many bottles of red wine and however many joints of weed. Like, that's just how I was feeling in that moment.

I was just like, fuck everything. I had just talked for two hours. I felt I had just did a rant about something that was kind of, um, it was close to my heart and it was for the for these native people in south america and i just remember it kind of got blew over and i was a little bit sad because it kind of made me be like man like why can't we why why why can't we focus on like a like a issue that i just talked about that that that should that hurt our hearts as humans you know that's going and i just remember that's that starts sinking my energy because i'm also at that point you know i'm on downers dude so i'm just

i'm just i'm just i'm just i'm just sinking more and i just remember by the time it got to like okay well it's time to perform like right right now i was just like and then we had you know and then we were in the kitchen at like three in the morning before we went we were in my friend slim's kitchen and we were like oh they just they asked us to do a cover i forgot about that like what should we do and we were like i don't know we just like went to a playlist and just click the song we like i like i like i like just do that one and like we know rehearsed it's like that's like you're a fucking insane but i but i don't care because that's like that's the fun of music i'm I'm like, I don't need to be perfect for nobody.

Like, I'm just going to go and say how I'm going to go and be how I feel that at that moment. Because I have plenty of other moments where shit, I might be on and I might look like a fucking rock god. I have plenty of those moments where I'm like, I'm standing there. I'm like, oh, I just killed that. And then I have a bunch of moments where I'm like, that sucked. It's all good. Yeah. You know, you got, because I also.

You got swing. For sure, you got to swing. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. I'm swinging. And I don't give a fuck if 99 of them don't land. That's not my job is to be perfect. Like, my job is to be human. So when I go up there and I'm at the AMAs,

and I remember I hit a guitar band that, like, guitar peers was like, oh, this was all, and I was like, there was only two bands out of, like, the 16 performers that were not lip syncing and guitar syncing, and it was me and fool fighters. So all I care about is that I'm standing up there proud, like, oh, hell yeah. Like, that was exactly what I felt or was doing in that moment or fucking, you know, same with the VMAs, dude. two bands that played live

the year that I performed a song called Paper Cuts and it was Foo Fighters and it was me and the funny thing is my slot was halfway through that VMAs but a issue was happening with us backstage where they moved me to after Foo Fighters at the very end of the show

and I was so mad that like that moment had been taken by somebody on some bullshit it that I broke, I smashed my guitar at the very end. That's why. Because I was like, dude, fuck this. But all I know is every time I look back and when people are like, say this or that,

I'm like, shit, that's me. That's me right there in that moment. You could have only experienced that in that exact timestamp. That's a good way to put it. If I swing and miss 99% in the time, it doesn't matter. because if you hit once, it's kind of all you need. Dog, I've seen Dave Groh play ever long on like David Letterman one time. And it was like, he was like, this is the first time I'm going to try playing an acoustic.

And he just played it. And it's like, you know, his voice is cracking. It's cool, whatever. But like, I was just like, yeah, that's, that's just raw, authentic. That's what a human is. You know, that's who he was at that moment. You know, you're just, you're trying shit. And also, you get to.

you get to just you get to go on a journey that's why people still show it to my shows more than they ever have because they just keep being like it doesn't matter if i saw him last year like who is he this year so it's not boring you know what i mean did you uh what age were you when you moved to cleveland what is it 14 think 13 it's like eighth grade like right after eighth grade yeah freshman year okay cool and aware of Because from the timeline. Nah, no, nah. Nah, because I moved to, I was in Kuwait.

And I got kicked out of there. Of course you did. What did you do? But fresh, no, so it was. It was the last half of freshman year. Okay, cool. The last half of freshman year. And, you know, that was the city that, like, I had just spent my whole life moving all

over the place and I finally found somewhere that resonated with me. And you mentioned, like, this is where, like, I know I've been a, a around, but this is Cleveland's where I became a man. I, I, I, like, grew up and I found my, uh, what age were you? Cause from what I found in, in your timeline, uh, Kells was your, your father was very strict. There's like, it's only like Celtic music around and Dixie Chicks. And but then, but, but then you found, uh, corn and then biscuit. That was, that was, that was early though.

That was in, that was in Denver with my, with my skate crew and stuff. Yeah, like, but it was, it wasn't, uh, it wasn't, it wasn't corn yet, though. It was no effects. It was a war on erasim, I think, was the first album that I'd smoke weed to. Oh, shit. And I think the first guitar, like, I was, like, trying to get was a separation of church and state, I think, is that the first. Is that the first song? Yeah, separation of church and skate.

Yeah, yeah. And then it was anti-flag. And then it was, yeah, then it was, then it was like the classic new metal, dude. It was fucking corn. It was Limp Biscuit. You know, my, what's your favorite Limp Biscuit song? just like this cool interesting okay i like i'm broke

i'm broke is beautiful it's the verses on on broker insane and the guitar at the on the scene record though yeah yeah the guitar on um actually no it's uh was it towards the bridge because i think i'm broke is on three dollar bill no no it's it's uh on snobing another actually it might be i love uh is it called no sex but but but but but ultimately hot dog flavor water that that that no sex i think that might be hot dog flavor water front to back.

Like when hot dog comes on and even that Ben Stiller outro. Oh yeah. Bro. Too funny. I saw Ben Stiller at SNL one time. I was in Pete's room and Ben popped in. Oh, shit. And I was like, dude, why are you on a Lind Biscuit album?

And he was like, oh, I used to go to the studio, like Fred's studio is near my. I used to go there when I wanted to get high. and I guess he was just like I guess they just press record and he was in there fried and he gave like the quite possibly the funniest outro I've ever heard on that album and he was fried fried I never knew that until right now

I don't know I mean allegedly I don't know if I'm supposed to say Allegedly allegedly allegedly allegedly Allegedly Ben Stiller smokes weed That's fucking sick man Yeah yeah It's a great record so you were still in Denver at that point and then

And was the first rapper you ever heard was at DMX? DMX, yeah. Yeah. And probably still your favorite. I think so, dude. His emotion, his wrongness. I mean, same thing, dog. Just like wasn't scared to put his, his humanness on display.

So I was kind of looking for it. Where did it get this shit from? I was on the treadmill this morning and I put on rough riders and the, and the cells in my body just turned on. You got to listen to the intro of the intro of. the album is dark and hell is hot the it's the very first song it's the most one of the most that's probably my favorite intro of any album because thinking i'm wondering this is where he got his honesty from i only assume like x is like just insane yeah i was and i was in the studio with him you know you guys did two tracks yeah yeah i've demons on your on your record and then uh

yeah and then one on his yeah dude you got the stamp from dmx Dude, bless you. And and dearest. You really got your two. Yeah, that tour, bro. That tour was amazing, man. That tour was so sick. He would let me come up.

He was like, yeah, let's pick any song you want and just come up. Every day. And so every day I would try and do like a new, New Lid Biscuit Biscuit song with them. And I feel like. That's literally a dream, dude. And like West, like it was so interesting because we were doing these,

we were doing, you know, like just smaller venues. and I rocked with Wes's commitment to his, to his, uh, black makeup. Mm. Because every day for like hours after the show, dude, he would be in there with cotton swabs. Oh. Bro, just for, and I'm talking about every day

when we leave the venue, you go past his room, cotton swabs, like as high as this candle right here. Yeah, that's the only way to get it off. Oh, like, like, like, like, just going, like, and I'm like, damn, he's doing this. for, you know, we were, like, in San Antonio or something. It was, it was not many people. And I'm like, damn, like, he's putting on a real rock show for, like,

it doesn't matter the amount of people. Because they're playing festivals, right? It's 60, 80,000 people. And then we're playing these venues, and it's, you know, only so many people. And he's still just, it doesn't matter what stage is only. He's just like, I'm giving you West Borland, no matter what, which I thought was so sick. True artist.

Yeah, man. And I, you know, I know, I know a lot of. people gave me shit for like going on that rant about you know rockers wearing comfortable shoes but it's kind of like but I grew up seeing people like West like put on a show uncomfortably but giving those fans the experience of like holy shit I want to look like that dude you know that was that was you know what as being such a new metal avid freak like me I realized I wasn't new metal We're suicide with doing like a music video.

They're like, hey, you should put in contacts. Okay, I'll try. You know, it's new metal. I'll put in contacts like West Borland. Be cool. I tried to put in on in this contacts. I couldn't do it. I was a fucking bitch, dude.

I'm like, I can't. My eyes are just. They suck. They suck. They suck, bro. So I had a newfound respect for it. I can't even put on the fucking contacts, man. Yeah, West, top tier, Fred, top tier.

Sam, top tier. Bro, you know what you want to a funny story about Sam, rest in peace. but uh i um they were playing a show with the roxy and i showed up and i don't know if fred even invited me on stuff i might have just came up me and this dude bones like we i think dude you know what i think it was they were playing break stuff and the music just like took over because i didn't know bones i didn't know another another girl ended up on stash i don't none of us knew each other the music just caught we all mob the stage at the same exact time yeah And I took, dude, and I should have known better because I tour with them and Sam would spit in a garbage can gnarly amounts of spit through the entire show.

And I was always like, what is he like dipping or something? Like how does he have this much saliva? Yeah. To spit in this trash can. And I'm talking about through the whole show, bro, I must have been blacked out drunk or something because I was like, I was looking around stage and they were on the. breakdown part of break stuff so nothing was happening but i had ended up on stage and i was like oh shit like what do i was like i got the solution i grabbed the trash can and i flipped it upside down onto my head all on that spit and all the spit i was just and i knew and it wasn't a question of what i knew

exactly what it was because i had toured with them so i was like oh my god i just grabbed sam's like spit trash can and uh i probably still went and kicked it for the rest of the night after that of course but yeah if there's if there's a video you could probably see actually i know there's a video because i uh no no no no what are you with the tour 2014 it's that one it's it's that one right there fast forward dude shout out to youtube okay so go but go back oh there there oh there oh god oh there's a different oh you can see it dripping oh my god it's like it's like water Oh, it's still going. Holy shit, that's gross.

Well, you always have a piece of sand with you. Straight up. That's sick. Straight up. Talk about living like a childhood dream. Yeah. It seems like that's all you're doing. Kind of.

Yeah, even like me doing like research on you, I don't know shit about them. All I have is these surface level stuff. And unfortunately, I think that's what most people have of you. you. So that may me, that's why people have their opinions. Yeah. Of you. But I'm like, I'm cool with it. I'm proud of who I am. I like, I like it, man. You should be proud. Yeah. You did, uh, I'm really curious to hear about this artist. You did a, some kind of record tour with Tech Nine. Yeah. Okay, how long was that, was that, was that, was that, 96 shows in 105 days.

No hotel rooms. No hotel rooms. No hotel rooms. Just shower stops. Just truck stops. hours. It was my first bus tour ever. Whose idea was that? Definitely text. Yeah, he's a, he's a touring maniac with a, with a, with a, I mean, dude, oh, 90 performances of 99 days. Uh, I think we added it though. I think, I think, I'm correct. I think it was, I think it ended up being 96 and 105, but yeah, whatever it is, that's a fucking lot of. I would never do that. Yeah, 36 shows straight one time. How was your voice during that? It was cool, bro.

because I wasn't, I still don't, dude, I mean, you know the joke with, you know the joke about me, I'm sure, is that I'm just, I'm monotone, you know,

I don't, like, I like, my voice takes a beating. I definitely, you know, uh, belt a lot and do,

you know, I do my thing, but I don't, I hit falsettos and all these other things and, you know, I, dude, I,

I see a tour with 30 days lined up. I'm like, fuck. after that third week, I'm like, I want to go home. Yeah. I'm fucking beat too. And you have like, you have two months left. Okay, so this is on the Guinness Book of World Records.

Is this true? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I guess, I guess it's worth it. Yeah. So Tech Nine, um, in, in his genre, he's, he's kind of like, not kind of, but he is like a very, like, respected artist in his, uh, uh, in his, um, in, in that as far as that graph is concerned.

What did you learn from him? So much, dude. I mean, one, the biggest thing I learned from him was empathy. You know why, man? Because I was on straight bullshit. Okay. As an opener on that tour. I was Problem Child 101.

I was... You're a wild boy. You're a wild boy. fighting any single person I could, whether it was on his team, in the crowd, in my own bus. I was, we were doing, yeah, the food fight. I got banned from a venue in Phoenix for starting a World War III-esque food fight. This shit, no food was on a plate by the end of this shit. And I, dude, if I was him.

in my position right now, I would be like, get your punk ass off this tour, but he never did that with me. I could see he should have and wanted to. And everyone was probably telling him like, he gotta go, but he saw something in me, he saw like a softness in me that was, I've always covered that up with a hard shell.

And he saw through that and was like, nah, dude, This is a broken boy who, like the only way to counter this is with love. Like if he would have kicked me off, that just would have made the fire burn even crazy. And he, man, I love him so much, man, as another one of my mentors. And he also taught me performance chops. Like he's an insane performer, very technical. So I mix my like, Freeness with his technicality and I feel like Kendrick also at the time like me and Kendrick were both learning from tech at the same time

Really? Yeah, for sure and I can see that a lot in K dot a lot Wow, I didn't make that connection. Oh, for sure I remember dude crazy story Kendrick recorded song for a tech nine called fragile in my studio in Cleveland, Ohio. Yeah He was like, oh, you got a studio. And I was like, yeah. Come through. And then he laid that verse. And then on the radio, months later, I would hear the song all the time.

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Was this like your living room? Was this like a closet? No, no, no, no. It was the studio we always used in Cleveland. It was down the way. and one of these warehouses. Yeah. I'm pretty sure this is a...

I can't even share that story. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just curious, I always hear people talk so highly of tech nine. I was curious, you spend so much time with them that there was anything you learned. So that was one of my... I mean, clearly a lot, bro.

Like that, like a lot. One of my selfish questions. And also, I mean, that being your first tour, that many days No hotel I mean everything after is Easy A cake walk dude

Dude not eat the fuck that Yeah Even I did two months one time Fuck that No never Yeah but again you guys are playing different intensity Bro like the way that you guys are playing You're picking patterns all that's like dude

That's a lot You know your wrists are motherfucking You know The next head banging For sure the head banging bro Like it's it's It's Yeah

You guys are on a still still doing it too different that you're give you're giving a lot in other departments yeah you know so 96 shows of that would probably I don't know if I think that's a I think that's a retirement that's a retirement closer right there early 20s only okay what was up with the with the Schechter razor guitar what the what the fuck was up with that thing I just want to to design a different body on a guitar um and you know i had got this obsession with shaving with a straight razor and that's why on the album tickets to my downfall the title track i say i use a razor to take off the edge and it's not like on some fucking emo razor shit it was just like i literally the only time i would give myself to calm down and shave and like turn my brain off would be when i would

shave because you got a you know i got a big adam's apple man you got to really just like be careful calm keep it keep it cool and calm down and whatever and i would just realize like after that until you know i walked downstairs or something i was calm you know and so and so i was just and i always loved the look of of a straight of a straight razor and uh you know when i was a kid like you try and tuck them in your mouth, you know. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you tuck in your mouth, you could take them out and, you know, it was just like,

yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just for, like, fight purposes, you know, but like, that, like, the imagery of a straight razor was interesting to me. So I just was kind of like, oh, that also, like, I took it like this and I flipped a little bit and I was like, oh, if you added a neck on there, some strings, like, get a guitar. So I was, it was just, it was like, it was like, it was like, it was like, That's the guitar I want. What the builders say?

They were like, this is going to start some shit. Yeah. People were pissed again. And also, also when I say, I'm also not, I wasn't encouraging any of the, like the buck 50 violence or anything. I was just, it was just like, you know, if you ever watched above the rim, you know, you're a kid watching movies and stuff, you see the homie pull out of a blade out of his mouth and you're just like, whoa, that's fire.

Like, I got a, yeah, this. Yeah, when Tupac did that. Wow. That was everything. I was like, yeah. But that's the, that's, above the rim. Mm-hmm. That's the, that's the thing, though, man.

Like, you know, when you're a kid in the. What happened at, what happened at the F? At the F. Yes. If. Oh, at the if. Yeah, what, what happened? Because I know you.

At the if, like my corner store? Yes. One. How the fuck do you know about that? 130th? That's what we call it 130. It was on 130. The if, right.

Yes. How do you, because I, because I remember you, um, we were doing, we were doing like early interviews you were, I found you being hesitant to talk about, well, I can't talk about me raping at the if because don't will believe me. So it's like I was, and you, you were talking. I don't remember. Oh, that's crazy. My boy got shot at that Popeyes.

Are you serious? Yeah, bootleg, Billet Chris. And he was so, it's okay. He walks with the, he has the craziest. Lint. He used to be the one that sold us all our, this is back when like pre-internet. So he would like walk in and he was like CDs, DVDs. I've worked at this airbrush shop. And after he got shot, he had the craziest limp.

I haven't talked to him in like two years. I got a, he saw a lot of thing. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, he just got shot in the leg. And yeah, he just walks with the funny-ass limp now. But shout out to bootleg Chris. But I just, yeah. Oh, that's the if right there.

It's a, okay. This is what I assumed. It was this, now it's a suncoe, I think. All right? Yeah, no, we just called it if because it's a hundred thirty-if. Yeah. And we don't say our T.A. We all, that's this bad, bad, you know.

Yeah. It's 130th. Yeah. But we just say, so what, was you like freestyle in there? Were you getting into the fights there? No,

no, no, I don't, I don't really know exactly what you're referring to and shit. We used to, so we lived down that block and then past the square in an apartment building. So that would, this was the corner store we would walk to,

um, to get, uh, our shit. Not the other way. other way down the other street but um yeah and i and i worked at that supermarket down this road right here dave's right yeah dave's supermarket straight ahead never got tips huh that i'll get them sometimes you get a dollar dollar five dollars here and there

dude this is a fucking trip what is this app now you dude you just go down down the street yeah was it at the square right it was uh mhm shaker squares right over here Yeah, there's the, there's, I think that's days. It's just confusing me, but I'm pretty sure that that's, yeah, because I used to be the cart boy and I used to go grab all the carts from around here, you know. Yeah, this is a square that, that we found. And I assumed the, uh, the movie theater was, what wasn't there back then. Movie theater, I think was, yeah.

Oh, was? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think we had the, I don't think we had enough money to go. Yeah, yeah. Did you ever go there? I've taken my daughter there, yeah. I did a, I did, I did a premiere of, uh, uh, uh,

of my concert there. Oh, you serious? Yeah, yeah, I did like, I like hosted. Or maybe it was the Motley Crew movie, The Dirt. Maybe I did, maybe I did that. I did a premiere of something I was in there. What was that like? I mean, you, like, portraying a life

you were already living. Funny, man, I never thought about that. For like, for like a documentary. Like you were basically a character of something you were already doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, oh, It was some of the funnest times in my life, man.

That was like art imitating life for sure. You know, I was also, I had gnarly co-stars who were just sending it with me. And we were in New Orleans, dude. We had Jeff Tremaine who did jackass and being the director who was just also like, that dude's like punk to its core, you know. He's a legend, man. For sure, dude. And he was.

Normally it talks about him. He's a fucking legend. I'll talk about him. I'll talk about him all day. I love Jeff Tremaine. That motherfucker has he... I mean, that movie, like, really put me on a different trajectory, like, and he took a bit... Did it?

I think so, man. I mean, it... I think out of... I think I don't know how many movies I've been in 14, 50... I don't fucking know, but that, that movie is kind of like my... That's when people think of me in movies. Like, that's the one they go through. to. And he took a real chance putting me as a lead in a big budget film and also playing an icon,

you know, like while I was also a well-known musician. And I mean, dude, I did six, six auditions for that movie. I mean, I was, I was really fighting for that role. And I crashed my car on the way to the last audition. Yeah. You crashed your car. Yeah. Well, someone crashed into me. And I didn't have a license, but their car was damaged. But it was their fault. And I kind of just got out the car. I was like one block away from the thing. And they, they, they, uh, it moved it into a, uh, a curb thing and it popped my tire. So I was like, I fucking can't like, I'm not going to drive the rest of the way of the thing.

I like got out. I was like, dude, I don't even give a fuck. It's all good. I got to go. I just left my car there for a sec. Dipped down to where the address was that walked in. That's the last, did the last audition my last audition. and with Douglas Booth, who was playing Nikki Six,

and I got a call, I don't know if it was that night or the next night they were like, meet me at the Rainbow Room. Jeff, he called him. And I pulled up to the Rainbow Room, and they were all sitting there, and they were like, you got the role. And we were like, ah.

And then I'm pretty sure we went next door to the Roxy and watched Billy Idol. Oh, nice. Yeah, which was like a cool thing of events. Has Tommy given you any props at all? Totally. dude. I fucking love Tommy, man.

Like, yeah, he was, he was, I don't want to put words in him. Actually, I've heard him say it, though, but he was really proud of the way that I portrayed him. You know, I think there's a lot of depth to a story that shit, man, like, I wish that that whole movie could have, I wish we could have covered, like, the entirety of Tommy, you know, because I liked when Tommy broke off and even did his singing. I don't know if you, if you know, I remember being a fan of Memphis of Mayhem. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, also fire. I mean, this new metal. True, true.

Sure people will be pissed at. I like that too. But why, why, uh, oh yeah, this is the song. I think it was called Good Times. Man, I loved that song. Um, why, why do you think, you know, the community is so, uh, oh, man, you like that song. Why do you think it's like that? I don't know.

I honestly don't know. Um, I, I have an inkling way bands do it. Why is that? All right, here we go. I'm going to open up the heart here. Well, I think it's because I'm kind of one of the, Kel's, I'm kind of one of like the only guys in bands that has this and it kind of says my opinion, because I don't care.

Only because I have experience, we did a record a while ago and it flopped, and I lost all my fucking money, a long sort of short. And so I became very comfortable not caring because, okay, Then now we're back and it's fine. But coming back, I started this and I'm like, it's kind of weird that people and bands don't really have opinions, right? It's pretty rare because I think it's everyone's trying to kind of, they don't want to piss anyone off because you never know when they're going to tour somebody.

Right? Because they don't want to damage any tour potential or any show potential. But just fight it out. Yeah fight it out boys. I want to fight you know like I so that's what that's what I do like if it's a problem it's a problem and if it's not sometimes a lot of stuff can be sometimes dude being like honest is it you know like I remember there's someone and I was just like hey man I was just jealous yeah and like you would you can't help but understand that like on the other side you're like fuck like thanks for being honest I guess you know and then it's like but let's go

let's go be great together. I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, no, sure. So there's that. There is a part of the community, the mental community that's really strong, but there's also, unfortunately,

there is also a big part of the community as well that will literally stop fucking with you. If you have an opinion, for example, I don't know if I should their band name, maybe we could bleep it out. A bank corner of a, he became very outspoken,

and literally their Spotify listeners have cut in half. It's not like it's not like it gets more people would just stop fucking with you. And then it will be claimed that you don't have a spine, which actually it doesn't make any sense because you need a spine to put your career. Yeah. The very little you have in your career on the line. So there's a little bit of that going on too.

What about like the fact of just being able to enjoy things like and getting robbed of that. because we all want to stay metal or we all want to stay punk or we all like because i remember being a kid and i was like i love blink i love dofound glory i love green day and all my homies who were listening to like casualties and drop kick murfys or like the real mackenzie's and stuff are like man that's not punk man like that's lame and then we all grow up and we're all watching blink and we're like this is the soundtrack to our lives you know like our our youth growing up up and you and you i'm like but wait a minute i thought that you know and it's like dude you get you get robbed of like the fun you know i'm watching back street boys perform at the sphere night after

night and i'm like damn that's so sick that that that's heavy that's so sick dude good for them man like had to like because it was a bunch of people like us who were like man man man But secretly I was like, damn, like this shit's fire, you know? Like, I like, I like this music. And then I get to go and like, dude, I was in a Super Bowl half time commercial with these fools. We really? Yeah, a couple months ago. And it's like, dude, like, I'm a little punk-ass skater kid, you know, like at heart.

And now you're hanging out with a fucking backshed. But it's just like, dude, but it's like I'm robbing myself of the fun by trying to keep it too real for people that. I'm like, dog, don't you like, because what about when you have kids, you know, like, you're, you're, what about what about your kids like certain things? Yeah, that, that, like, look at your kids and gatekeep your kids and be like, man, no, man, like this. That was, that was my argument with a, fix your face because I'm meeting, I'm meeting parents that are showing me like, hey, we're jamming your band in the car.

And it's like their three-year-old daughter. rocking out in the back or a celebrity wears a a band t-shirt i think it's all i think it all goes in one pot that was my argument which i mean which could i am a child of a gateway band i mean if i if if i don't find corn i mean i'm a gateway child at heart so no matter how fucking what do you mean was corn a gateway band well excuse me a gatekeeper oh you said gateway band yes oh dude and bro speaking of corn like i opened up for them on family values tour with asking alexandria a decade

to go. Just bucket list. Bucket list shit. On family values. Fuck you, dude. Dude, just like, yeah, right there. You run family values. Fuck.

Bro, like that's what I was saying. When people come to the MGK test and stuff, I'm like, all right, but the lessons are all there. Like, this shit exists, but we can, you know, I have to watch the reactions be like, he just decided or just, and I'm like, but I've always been adjacent. I've always been parallel with you. And also, too, if you look at my history, all I want is for anyone in my, all my fans in my orbit to see the people I rock with. That's why I was like, yo, suicide silence, come play my festival.

Like, I'm a fan of y'all. I want you to come play my festival. Yo, whoever's outspoken on my behalf during the tickets to my downfall era where all the bands like, or majority were acting like, nah, we can't tell you. I was like a leper at that in 2020. But anyone who rocked with me, I was like, let's go. Come play, come play, dude. 15,000 people are showing up. Because just like you, I put everything on the line before.

I lost everything. And it looked like everything was going here. Took another chance. Went all the way up. And I was like, okay, for anyone who was rocking with me, dude, let's go. I've seen you put a stamp on fix your face and be like, dude, fuck that. I like this shit. And in the midst of like, okay, I can go whatever podcast.

I'm like, I'm going to the homies podcast, dude. Like, I want to go, I want to go chop it with him. I barely do interviews ever. You know, like, this shit's like, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're so correct, bro. It's like, all this shit's doing is, is fueling the pot. This is a big pot. I don't think it's all one thing. No.

I think it's just all, it's everything at once. Yeah. And if someone sucks, dude, fuck you. You suck. You know, as a human, if they suck, fuck them. We don't go, you know, like, amazing catalog or not. Like that's when I think you really step up and are like, fuck this dude. Me, I'm like, man, I'm chilling, dude.

I like, so I look and I'm like, you guys get hate if you want, but like, this doesn't affect me. Like, my fans are always going to come and like that's only people I care about. I don't, I already gave up on wanting to be liked. That shit's just. Yes, T. Straight up. Yeah. Yeah.

That, like, I'm cool being the heel in this wrestling match. A lot of people aren't cool with being a heel. It's hard. This shit isn't easy, bro. You gotta go. You got to, you got to, you got to know millions of people are praying on your downfall. That was kind of one of my, also one of my other selfish questions, Kells, was how do you deal with the, with, I mean, just to be real, I mean, I'm in a metal band. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a hate, but it's really not.

I get ignored it, and it's fine. You, you, what, I, I typed it. I was like, did I just type that? Oh, yeah, you get a tsunami of it. And, like, how do you? How do you actually deal with it? Do you read it? Do you stay away from it?

Do you keep, are you focused? I mean, how do you actually do it and process it? I just double down. Shakes your face, dude. Yeah. And I was wondering, like, what does he do? How does he? When most people would fan the, when most people would put the flame out, I just add gas to that shit.

I don't care. This shit, dude, this is all a semi. bro like I'm here I'm here for a good time I'm here to I'm also an entertainer dude I'm here to entertain you know like the first line of the song uh sometimes I need a long time before this one time I'm all over your ass like come drying dog I'm a friend of mine jid a great lyricist great artists he was like man you know what they said this to me a couple years ago he was like you always have a great first line and i was and i was like word and i thought about that when i said this because i was

like oh yeah this is going to make people press the space bar like hold up dude did he really just say that but that's the point is to is to get you feeling immediately and i also saw one guy who was like why would you say this like i don't even know what this means and i was like that tells me everything I need to know about you, my friend. That's the you're not even the demo of a person I want, you know, rocking with me. So like...

Do you think you're... I'm not even talking about, I'm talking about like the MGK world. Like, you have like this world of your fans. Do you think they encourage that? Do you think that they're just down for you? And like, so whatever happens in the outside

really doesn't matter? Yeah. Is that it? Is that it? Because it seems like you have a foundation of people that support you, obviously. If MGK is a planet, like compared to Earth, we see what's going on with Mars and the moon and all that. But like, do you really care? No, no, no. I was just, no, I was posing the question. Like, do you really care or are you focused on life on Earth?

Focus on. Life on Earth. Life on Earth. Yeah, that's what, that's what me and my fans are doing. We're just on planet MGK and that is We like we we see what's going on with the other planets. Oh, that's interesting and all that But like we don't give a fuck because our ecosystem is like here That's where it's this is where our water comes we're so we're self-sustained you know like

The people even the people that down to like people that work on my cars or anything like that's like these are is are all EST people like every this I'm good for the rest of my life with my fan base. I'm just... Wow. We just don't... That's, I mean, and that's why I want to share it with everybody. You know, that's why I'm like, yo, come over here. It's cool over here. And that's why I always have a handout to people, but most people just, you know, kind of slap it away, which is interesting. But again, all good because we have our own world over here. Your own foundation, own world. Tell me about this tobacco.

Yeah, we call it sacred. Okay. It's from a blessed, it's from a shamanic ground. So it's a land that's like preyed over. It's organic leaves. You're smoking a cigar. So like you have most likely when they make a cigar, you most likely have one that's a mixture of all the leaves. Yes.

On the stock. So this one is only the top leaf, the brightest leaf, the lightest leaf. So this one is kind of like, it's not as harsh. It doesn't hit. Like you probably have the darker leaves, like leaves from the bottom of the. stock on there. And yeah, I order it by, I order probably about 40 pounds of it every time. 40 fucking pounds. And then we just take the, it's about three or four feet, maybe about three feet, the leaf and then I just put it in a grinder. Oh, so you get a leaf. It's a full leaf.

Yeah. It's a full leaf. Yeah. It doesn't look like this. It just looks like this after I shred it. And then you shred it yourself. Yeah. Oh, my goodness, dude. I never, I never heard of that. It's sick. Yeah. So, so bless, bless tobacco. Yeah, it's lighter than all of those leaves that you're looking at. Wow. Dude, I didn't get a, I didn't think it to get the leaf then. Back when I was drinking and smoking, I just liked the spliffs. Love spliffs, dude.

Tobacco and weed. Splifts or go, I mean, and the funny thing is, you probably the same way. Did you learn about that when you went to Europe? Yes. That was exactly where I learned too, because I'd be like, who got weed? And they throw joints up and I'd smoke up. I'd like, oh, what the fuck? But then I'll get a crazy head rush

And I'd be like, damn, what are you all doing? It grows on you. Yeah, it does. First, like, you hate it, then, like, out of, then I started craving it. It was like, what the fuck? Yeah, now I like, I want tobacco and weed. That's kind of one thing I do miss the past two months, uh, smoking. I'll parse it smoking again at some point.

Yeah. I miss the, uh, the buzz. I miss, yeah, I miss, yeah, I miss, like the paranoid. I miss like the, like being introspective part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, we spoke about. Yeah, I know, I know. I know.

That's a hard one to kick. Fucking, yeah, I'll call it the love buzz after the Nirvana song. Love buzz. Yeah, off their first album. Are you doing shows sober now? Mm-hmm. When did that change? I don't know.

I don't, if year, two, two, three years, I don't know. My fans probably know when I got sober more than me. And, you know, I'm not perfect, too. I've fucked up in the past. But I'm trying, dude. I'm just, I'm trying. Trying. Trying.

Trying. Try it. You have two kids. You take one on tour, right? Yeah, yeah. When the little one gets old enough, she'll be a little rock star baby too, for sure. Damn, born family on the road. As I was doing before I came here, I just dropped her off and got on the road.

It's cool. We're reading books. and oh dude i think she might be a little screamo baby dude yeah okay yeah i'm not joking i was playing something in the kitchen yesterday i forgot what it was but i was playing it and you know you're like what i jia yeah yeah and dude she's just like and it was the first time i ever said i've always seen her do this but i've never seen her go and just shook her head of hair And I was like, oh my God. And then same with Fix Your Face.

I was playing Fix Your Face. And like more movement than I've seen with other songs I play. And I'm like, that's crazy. Like, let me find out that you're like a little, you know, a little new metal child or something. You know what I mean? Like, let me find out that like, dude, when the screams came on, it was, oh, I think it was from my homie Scarlord.

Oh, I shout the Scarlord. And dude, like, she was like, And I was like, no way. We were just talking earlier. See, now the, now the. Yeah, the next gen gets, you know, it's, it's, it's, yeah. It's, I mean, dude, I'm just all for the, I mean, on the gatekeeping talk, bro, I'm just, I'm here to be like, to keep the conversation.

Because even when the conversation is going, you know, you gave a, you gave a, an unpopular opinion in your community and it creates conversation which means that we as humans are like interacting which in an AI world is like it's important and necessary we got to keep the conversation totally bro totally I mean you think about the bands we love growing up or even like dude how corn and Lincoln Park and limb biscuit and all them there's are so they're goaded now you know for this generation They're goaded. But at the time, you know, when I was a kid, same thing, dude. Like I told you, you know, oh, I'm rocking with this Limp Bizkit record.

Oh, man, new metal, you know, but then people grow up and they grow out of their egos. And they're just like, oh, this is good music. But also we're tripping, though, because we're not focused on the fact that they were selling tens of millions of records. So it's like, yeah, well, obviously people like this shit. Which then circles back to me where I'm like, oh, yeah, like, these fucking are. arenas are full like obviously people like this shit this whole the internet will fucking make you think like you need you need the full perspective yeah you need yeah you need like a see okay and you need just enjoy bro come on chester was the fucking dude this full this full hit a 36 second scream i forgot

on what what was that record dude look it up look it up hey all's kelly clarkson with wayfair ever order furniture online and wonder what if like what if it doesn't hold up that sofa was four days old you should have ordered from wayfair With Wayfair, there's no what if. Just style you love and quality you can trust. Visit Wayfair.com. Gone to a ceiling, man. I'm giving up.

I've given up. Yeah, that... 17 seconds screen. Oh, 17 seconds. But even in concert, though, he hit a... Oh, yeah. This is live, though. I'm talking about on the record.

It was... And I'm just saying, like, this was a band who was on MTV, very popular. And like, dude, I mean, I've, I spent a long time around this guy. Like, this is a fucking rock star, dude. Also a great dad, you know, like, and also fucking kept his edge and was like, you know, not, he wouldn't take no shit. And he was opinionated. What was he like? And then what did you learn from him?

I learned a lot from Shinoda to, like, Shinoda, especially like, you know, I mean, Chester, dude, warm as fuck. super, like anti-gatekeeping with me, he was like, like I said, even when he was like, we should do this Metallica cover. And at the time,

I was kind of like, I don't even want no parts of that gatekeeping shit. Like, and he was, and the way that he was just like, dude, fucking go up there.

It's music. Who cares? Like, oh, come up and have fun. Mm-hmm. Let's just pick a song that we both like and, like, do it. And, uh, I don't know.

He was just like, he just made me feel welcome. Mm-hmm. when there were other bands that didn't. You know, and he was like the opposite. And he was also what that band did for me growing up, like in my headphones was like, it was deeper than music for me.

And then, you know, Shenoda, dude, he was always just a big fan of my rap. So he was, you know, he'd pull up into the studio on me and like listen to records. And I remember one time when we were on tour, we were in Berlin and I'd open for them And Shnoda booked a studio. And he was like, come through, like, let's make music.

And we went and we made a song for Shonota's album. And he was like, oh, like, let me call Chester see if he'll come and like he can get on the hook. And Chester didn't show up. And instead, Chino got on the hook. What the fuck? On deaf tones, yeah. And it's a- How to dream, man.

It's on, on Shonota's album. Fuck. And just getting to be on a record with Chino, like, also one of my favorite frontmen ever. You know, if you talk about... guitar riffs, dude, like, that I love. Oh, yeah, lift off, man. Vives, dude, I fucking love. I got to jam this.

I never, I didn't even know about this. This was us. This was in Berlin. And Shenoto was just a musical genius, dude, just made all this from scratch. I was souped up on Adderall. Of course you were. Because I was like, I'm going to deliver the best verse I possibly can for this. Like, I'm in with my goats, you know, like.

And I'm, I'm not, not. Just a massive, I'm also not only a massive Lincoln Park fan, but was a massive Shinoda fan as well. You know, he was great. I mean, like, there's a question. What did you? Yeah, it's Chino right there. So far. Just, just being Chino. So sick, dude. And you're just there on Adderall. I mean, dude, I was there just like, I can't believe I'm in this room, dude. I mean, uh, am I in this video? Can you fast forward? Or I mean, yeah, am I, but am I, do I, do I, I, I do am I in this like wrapping my verse because I don't even remember this

oh crazy okay cool yeah you're on there yeah vibes dude we run a song so you better be on there I'm honored well I didn't know if I didn't show up to the videos I don't know what the fuck I don't remember that we even had a video to this I just love this song dude I when this came out did I would play this back to me and it was one of my favorite verses at the time it was just

so a raw verse but um here's a question Did you like when the Lincoln Park and Jay Z EP dropped? Not my cup of tea, but it's badass. No shit. It's badass, though. Oh, I loved it. Jay bought it.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, man. My girlfriend bought it. To add on to your point, and this is to everyone out there watching, doesn't matter how you discover the music. The point is that you discover the music. You know, I know a lot of people who discovered Lincoln Pardtner. Park when I was a kid through a Dragon Ball Z compilation.

And I'm trying to remember what song it was. I think it was in the end. But we were all anime kids. Like we were anime kids. And this Dragon Ball Z compilation came out and it had that song on it. And it was like, yo. Like I still think to this day some of the homies who were like, yeah. Like I still think they, some people still think that like this like Lincoln Park did.

this for Dragon Balls. This is just a compilation of Goku and Vegeta and all them just going crazy on each other. But yeah, point is like people discover maybe animate through this. You know, people discover pop punk through MGK through tickets to my downfall. You know, there's a whole wave. I was just watching the reactions from a bunch of kids in a car and listening. And they were like, I don't even think they know to call it new metal they're like MGK like bringing 2000s rock back

you know but it's like it doesn't just the fact that they're like hearing it and seeing it because they're going to therefore like tunnel into what I was inspired by I also think when you bro think about radio head

everyone was like oh they're they you know they they copied Apex Twin to when they started getting into the, you know, okay computer and kid A and all that. And it's like, yeah, but who cares? Like they gave us kid A and okay computer and in rainbows.

Like they gave us great music. Like we all- Iconic music. Oh, iconic. But what if he would have just been like, I can't do this because I'm just, it's like, no, do like do it and give us something great from it. You know, like, yes, tickets to my downfall for sure

was inspired by, I mean, dude, it's a love letter to pop punk music. You know, it's a love letter to that. It's so much of a love letter that I'm like, literally, Travis Barker, like, do this with me, you know, guide me through this so I can, out of respect for this, I can do it the right way. Because of blessing. For sure, you know, like, Fred Durs, like, I'm doing it. Like, I wrote Fix Your Face Your Face, and I was like, Fred, this is only right if you hop on this. you know like I need your blessing like because also you'll tell me if this if I'm if if if if if if I'm

tripping and this isn't you know because for years already prior I told you I had been like I had been messing around with that sound and it wasn't right it wasn't yeah no and and that one you know like that one was I could just I could I could I could feel it and you know Fred was like whatever you need for me to do on this like I'm rocking and I asked what I wanted to hear as a fan from him and I feel like he gave us all. Can you like Fred just say it like shut the fuck up please? God, totally.

And he's the dude, he is a great example of opening his arms. He doesn't like he doesn't. Dude, look at how many people have came through Fred Durst's orbit. Dude, a lot. We got a lot of people, dude. Like not just puddle of mud and that whole era of music. They're like what we got, I mean, do you know that puddle of mud came through, friend? No.

Bro, a stripper gave Fred a demo and was like, my boyfriend makes music. Oh, shit. I know that. And he listened to the tape and was like, you know, like, tell that guy I want to meet him. And then we got puddle of mud out of that who like, I mean, blurry has like helped my heart in so many ways. You know, it's came on at the right times, you know, or how many times on MTV did I see she fucking hates me? you know like that's just that's that's one and i'm pretty sure stained also stained fred and then all but so many of the young cats that i talked to they're like oh man you know

fred i mean dude same with the homies from good charlotte you know joll and benjie i dude when i first came to l.a my first time ever coming to l.a was was them flying me out and i crashed on benjie's couch like joel reached out to me and was like hey like i see something in you like come out and jam with us Wow. Getting the stamp, dude. But not even, I mean, I don't even, I don't, it's just, it's, it's, it's just what I, I feel like they were doing what we all should be doing, bro. They're just like, shit, I see something.

I fuck with that. And then I also think that what you're doing is correct and being like, you know, shit, gatekeeping is also cool because it inspires, you know, like, sometimes I'm like, when someone asks me, like, what's the biggest advice you can give me as, sometimes I'll just be like, you suck. I don't even know anything about their music, anything. I'll just be like, you suck. So they can take that and be like, oh, my God.

And it'll fuel something in it. Go something. Yeah. And if it's meant, and if they're really about it, it's going to fuel them and pump them up. And if they're not, then we got rid of one that's just going to quit. That was already going to quit sometime down the line anyway that we didn't need. Damn. I've done that before.

I've just been like, and I've done it with a smile, you know, because they didn't even play anything. I don't know anything. I'm just like, you suck. Because the ones that are going to break through our day. It's not, it's not going to phase. No. And maybe it'll give them something. You know what I mean?

Like, dude, I was just going to, I was, I was just going to sit, sit on my couch today. But you, you, you said something. And I was like, interesting. Like that, that makes me want to have a conversation. And now we get to, now whoever watches gets to see different perspectives and two completely different walks of life, like, come together and like, I'm a curious guy. Agree or agree to disagree, you know? And that's like, I think that's what's fucking rad about this.

I'm really curious what people are going to, what the reaction is going to be when they, when they see the thumbnail and your fucking face on it. I'm so curious, dude. I'm just like, like, what the fuck? Yeah, furious and satiated at the same time. Garza and MGK? Is this a simulation?

Which I recently believe in. Yeah. Yeah. I heard one of the. I think he, uh, he means Ray. He's like, he's a young kid, like 28. He was on Theo Vaughn's podcast and like the way he was talking about AI. It's like he talks like me like as like a kid.

And he was talking about assimilation. And I went from 100% closed off to the door is open. I'm like, what if I'm in a. Yeah. I don't know. I'm, right now I am open minded. Well, you're giving off when you think light literally leaves your head. So when you think about something, light particles actually leave your head carrying what you were thinking about.

Oh shit. So it's not much different than pressing left or right on the toggle stick. You know, it's not much different than you're creating the next steps of the world that you're going to walk into. You know, it's not, it's not a coincidence that something randomly hit you to message me while I was having a conversation about you for an hour. It's so bizarre. Before I decided to be like, I'm going to hit this guy. Open up and press message. And I was like, oh, he just hit me 10 minutes ago.

So the hour that I was talking about you, something was just like, huh. Weird. That fucking blew my mind earlier. Mm-hmm. because I sent like an innocent message like not even like he's not he's not going to like replies I can't continue on with my day

I was like holy shit he says something back yeah bro I mean because he said something back dude holy shit also for for the record I was like am I going to say this publicly or not you are the easiest guest we have ever booked in the five and a half years we've been doing this

a simple couple messages done I'll show up that's it yeah there's no publicist There's no, there's nobody is me. It's me, myself, and my opinions. I've been trying to book this one definite band for I don't know how many years. And they canceled three times. And you were just, the most...

So I was like, man, if it all goes like this, my job will be so much easier. So... But I mean, dude, you're well researched and, like, bro, you leave an open platform, you know what I'm saying? You're not a dick. And, like, it's also like, you have your opinion.

It's not like, it's funny. This video, it's not like you, It's not like you're like, this is amazing. You're very like, okay, like, I like it. You know, but I don't know, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just that this is, this shit isn't about me or you. This is about like the future of community, I think. Because I think. That is true.

Festivals and all that, dude, you play them. Like, our trailers are all two feet from each other. What do most of us always do? Just stay in the trailer, stay to our cell, stay with our band. Dude, we should fucking step outside, take a chance. What's up, guys? Do you know how many times I walk down those aisles of festival trailers? And I'm like, oh, this person definitely doesn't like me.

This person doesn't like me. Wow. What is that like, dude? Dude, it's just like, I mean, I left that mentality. All I do now is like, I'm like, hey, what are you going to do shit on me for saying hi? And if you don't like me, you're damn sure going to be disarmed after I'm like, hello. You're going to be like, I don't know. I didn't even think about that.

When you're on these festivals, you see all these fucking bands. This guy part doesn't like me. This band part isn't like me. Bro. I didn't even think about that. I have made an ass of myself by convincing my own brain that I'm in a constant war with people.

And it broke at Rockham Ring in Germany when I was having a conversation with Ali Sykes. And I'm trying to think who else, Maybe it was mod. Maybe I'm trying to think of who else it was. But like I saw Ben's name on the door. And I was like, oh man, like that's the people that were talking shit about me. This was during the tickets era where like everyone was just going hard on me.

You know, so I felt like I had enemies everywhere. And I bust in the door and I'm like, bitch, fuck all the, but like, let's like, let's say it now. Like let's let's like I want all the smoke, dude. And dude. These fools are like, MGK what? Like I'm like, no, fuck all that nice shit now. Like I want whatever.

And I'm going crazy and I'm like grabbing their snacks. I'm like, these are my snacks now. Like I don't give a fuck. And dude, we leave what like and I'm just, I'm begging them to fight me. I'm like, I want to throw hands. Like I'm sick of this online shit, whatever. Bro, I go back to the room, and I'll never forget. Ollie looks up on Google.

Has this band ever talked shit about NJK? He's like, I think you trip the night. Like, they've never said fucking anything. And he was like, you made up in your mind. And then my, and then Rook was like, yeah, bro, you're tripping. Like, we toured with them like before. Like, that's not them. And I was like, oh, dude.

You know, I've just had so many of those funny outbursts. And then that's why, you know, I love this background on my. my phone it just says you have no enemies it's from this anime called vinlan saga and he just preaches like he's this warrior who could he he he was a he was a yams viking who could beat anybody in a battle but he was so adamant about like you have no enemies like he had he didn't want to fight and so i've since adapted that so much where i'm just like you know if swords are flying i'm a i'm throwing them too but if they're not I'm chilling. I have no enemies.

That's when the creativity will go against you. You'll, like, make up, like, scenarios in, like, your head sometimes. Well, I watched it. How stupid do you think? Even with, like, I mean, bro, like, Ollie's my dog. I know he in his head is like, this motherfucker is a goddamn firecracker, man. Like, I feel like it, I feel like there is people, not him at all, but like other people were just like, I don't know if we should invite Kels of this, man. He's going to fucking pop off on somebody, you know?

But like, that's what, that's what it did to me. Until I was able to drop all ego and all like cares of people's opinions about me and stuff, now I'm just like, I welcome it. I just grin about that shit because I'm just like, oh, dude, like, I've had the same friends for 20 years. Like, I've had these fans for 15 years. And if, I mean, and all and, and to now. So anytime they've came along on the journey, like, I'm just like, I'm good. when I see award shows snub me or miss me

I'm like I feel them like I saw Turnstile win I did Turnstile win the Grammys this past year yeah they did right Good for fucking them dude Like it's so funny like I didn't get like the album I put out It wasn't nominated and I was like yeah but I wouldn't know what to nominate This has anyway like I made an album called Lost Americana That was very

What is that? It was nebulous in the genre I was like I was It was pop on there it was rap on there was rock on there I listened to it yesterday I don't know what to pin it as You know and then I see she Turnstile went rock and I was like, fuck yeah, dude. Like, but that's also, that's also an example of like, there's, there's, there's, it's just room for all of it.

I'm just like, hell yeah. Like, you know, one of the homies is from Ohio and in Turnstile too. And like, they play out there, dude, they're phenomenal live. They're so fire and I just, you just, I don't know. I just don't have any, I have no ego with this shit anymore. It's like, it's, I saw, I, I hope. that through our conversation people can kind of just see like oh it's not that serious i hope so and that people can like you know start to i just because i dude i like seeing when like

bands collaborate on stage or come fuck around with each other or just hanging out like imagine being like do it for to me it's like it's all for the fans right that's what we do this for so like imagine being a fan of being yeah like that picture right there you know imagine being a fan and getting to see two you know two frontman of bands like shaking hands and you know laughing together and stuff for we were backstage and being like oh like i dude imagine being a fly on the wall during that tour when we were out there with system and then you were seeing like m gk and suicide silence all like just hanging by buses because our buses were always like parked right by each other yeah i'd be like crazy crossover going on right

there yeah it's crazy wonder what the fuck they're talking about yeah i wonder oh is the to close off the subject of a fix your face um again people only attach the surface level stuff on on top on top your name keels and uh they're like oh it's this song about young blood or something so i was confused because like i did a research yeah and you had a song with them i was like what is there is there anything to that or it says well the song is an entirety of a song like that's like a a song is three minutes of lines about different things but yeah you know the specific line I mean I'm an artist of principal and I'm a friend most of all of principle so when I've had the same

group of friends for so long and I bring in new new friends and I make new friends you know loyalty is really the only thing that matters it doesn't matter what we do work wise or any of that when I open my heart you know that means I'm vulnerable and I let you in. And so when someone's given an opportunity to defend their friend and they don't, that breaks my heart. Like it shatters me. And so I think be my friend the same way in public that you are in private.

And so I think, you know, but it's an angry line and an angry song. a line is a line and I don't really like to describe art yeah so I like to leave it mostly to the listener to figure out what picture they're seeing with what I painted but yeah I mean you know that that that's that shit hurt me so just kind of that is that but you know super super talented you know all that but what I care about outside of everything like when the music's over is like, what do you stand for and what do you stand on? And that principle of loyalty, like the way that it was done to me, I wouldn't have done that. And I've watched a lot of my other peers stand with me and next to me, you know,

and there was never moved with envy around me. So to me, that was just a moment of seeing something and being like, damn, that hurts. It's probably a hard for you to trust people. But I forgive, man. I forgive, like, I forgive. All right, Kellis, we're going to round third here. Got a couple more questions here. So is this going to be a record?

I saw, like, a photo from three days ago. So a record is going to be like just this one song? Speaking of Fix Your Face? Yes. Yeah, this will be on the album. Okay. Yeah. What is the sound of the album who,

Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? I think I'm inspired by what this did. Mm-hmm. So if that counts for anything, like, I think it'd be a little, it would be a little odd to just do this and completely depart. Yeah.

Yeah, but I can't say exactly what the record will be sonically. I'm not sure. Hey, let's just do this song, Crucify Garza, and then let's just bounce, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Speaking of loyalty, you, fuck. Okay, so there might be a little something in the future. It's cool.

I think so, yeah. I mean, but, bro, it's, it's, it's really, it's the amalgamation of what I always have been, which is like rapping over guitars. It's just like that, I mean, but, yeah, I mean, I, dude, I couldn't help with that bass line, but my friend Bayes just started playing the bass, and we were just like,

Ew. Oh, yeah. What the fuck is that? It makes you make a face. For sure. That's why we literally called it, Fix Your Face Your Face, because everyone when he started playing that bassline was like,

and we all had to be like, oh, I'm tripping. That's sick. Cool. And you know the guitar part on that, I mean, it's just drop D and it's like, third fret, first fret, third, third, third, it's just those, one, three and four.

Easy, yeah, all you need. You have a tour coming up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That starts in, I mean, it's coming up quick. Yeah, that one's with Wiz. It was like,

iconic to me and iconic in culture, you know? Yeah. That one. Bro, I'm honestly, man, I just move as a fan all the time. I just like, I just do things with people I'm a fan of. So I get, I get, it's, like, our jobs are cool. We get to, you get to ask, you get to holler at people that you're, you're a fan of and sit across them and do this the same thing with me.

I'm just like, shit, dude. I love Wiz, man. Like, it would be so sick to perform with them, dude. And so me and Wiz Khalif are hitting the road this summer. You're fucking crazy. And I just feel like it's a great bill, dude. Like seeing me and Wiz, like, we're both blog era boys, you know. We're both just stony, tatted motherfuckers.

Like, it's a, it's summertime. It just seems like a fun package, man. Beautiful, man. Well, if you're in the States, check it out all throughout May. I mean, this comes out in a couple days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People are going to see all, get access to all the dates here. All right, so this is how I close off every podcast.

Okay. No rules. What are, what are three albums for people to check out? Any era of mine or that I like? No rules. Oh, no rules. Okay. What's your three?

My three records drop. It changes every month, but I would say if I'm like... Yeah, same. So where are you at right now? Right now, I will say, Fottal Leder by Corn, Iowa from Slipknot. I was jamming that.

And I was also jamming LD 50 from Muddhane. So the past three days, I was writing a particular song. So I kind of put on like these, the songs I like the first three songs that I grew up with kind of get me in like a mood so those are like the three I was currently jamming okay I'll go songs I'll go three songs check out no no rules yeah so think track 10 on chaka starfish and hot dog flavor water I think is take a look around oh I'll go take a look around all right just confirm

it's track 10 I'm a CD boy so I still remember like yeah exactly track 10 oh good memory um See don't think twice it's all right Bob Dylan because we all you all need to chill everyone needs to chill dude it's I'm Dylan still to go all right um third one oh dude intro of us dark and hell is hot since we said that DMX mm-hmm I'm telling this record dude like I'm fascinated you by artists or or no no you want to know what one I used to uh you want to know what one really resonated with me when I was a kid like when I would run I went away and I needed someone to be there for me. It was, it was, I think it's track 16 on this. It's, it's, it's feel it. It's a Phil Collins flip.

Okay. It's, no, no, look, so look up DMX, uh, track, look up the track album with the track, uh, what do you call it track list? Yeah, let's check it out, okay. See if I'm writing in, track 16. What's track 16? I can feel it. Damn, all right, hey?

I can feel it. Sometimes the brain's working, dude. My mind's working out, I'm like, a big one for me today. Yeah. The brain's working. Cool. That's a solid three.

Yeah, bands that, like, artists that you don't listen to really or genres, but you put on a certain song or a record, and just your body literally just turns on. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Gone too soon, man. Truly.

Fuck. DMX, dude. It's a great closer. Anything, uh, anything that I, I might have missed that you want out there? No, dude. Fix your face. That's it. That's it.

Fix your face. and I appreciate you. I appreciate the conversation, dude. Honor, man. Thank you. Yeah. Appreciate your time, man. Thank you.

Appreciate you guys out there. Love you guys. Later. Later.