Garza Podcast - 234 - BLEED FROM WITHIN: Metalcore Riffs, Guitar Rundown & Trust

Episode Date: May 25, 2026

Garza sits down in-person with Ali Richardson & Craig "Goonzi" Gowans from Scottish metalcore band BLEED FROM WITHIN. https://instagram.com/bleedfromwithinGet your episodes early, guitar tone & more here: https://patreon.com/garzapodcast00:00 - ‘As the Palaces Burn’01:50 - “Goonzi” Nickname03:02 - Being Confused for Bandmates04:41 - 22-Year Career, Perseverance, Growth08:47 - Steven Joining, School Days10:45 - “For Your Malice” Riff13:38 - Learning Instruments, Jamming15:03 - Self-Producing Albums, Writing22:23 - Trusting Each Other’s Skills25:09 - Hating the Band Name27:26 - ‘Era,’ Finding the Sound30:07 - Riff Writing Process31:57 - “I Am Damnation” Riff33:52 - “Levitate” Riff36:22 - Writing Riffs High38:27 - Irn Bru, U.K. Snacks43:11 - Scottish Venues, Barrowlands47:52 - Success, Preparation, Opportunities52:45 - Hunger, Drive54:41 - Day Off with Chuck Billy56:50 - Goonzi’s LTD Guitars1:00:21 - Alternate Tunings1:01:31 - Bagpipes & Kilts1:12:55 - Irn Bru (cont.)1:13:52 - Garza Plays the 7 String1:16:30 - Bending Behind the Nut1:18:44 - Future of Metalcore1:22:14 - Music to Check Out1:30:35 - First U.S. Headlining Tour

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The production of it as well, it's so dark and eerie and it's just pure filth. It's filth. Didn't Devin produce that record? He mixed it, yeah. I don't know, maybe produced it as well. A whole thing, but apparently the band hate that production, but... I love it. It gave it so much character.

Yeah, yeah. There is nothing... There is Asapalus is Burn as a record that we're talking about real quick. But yeah, no one really taught... There's no other record that sounds like that. No, not at all. And they tried to remaster it as well. And it just,

it doesn't have the same feeling. It doesn't have the same feeling. There was something about that. It's too good. Yeah. It's too nice. I was like, don't make it nice.

It was the original, like, unfiltered rawness of that is what gave it its character at the time. That is a good example of you could actually overmix something. I think they call it a, like, you, you could cook it too much. Right? It's like, just leave it. like just there it is I mean that's that's a problem right that's what people have been quite outspoken about over

recent years is like overproduced metal albums or whatever everything gets too squeaky clean or whatever or starts to sound the same you know the scene becomes oversaturated or whatever I prefer it when something has you know a bit of rawness

or something to it that's not you know maybe not quite right by sort of everyone else's standards you know something that just jumps out of you and goes oh what's that but then it gives it something it makes it unique in its own way I think as if I was burns like the perfect embodiment of that

fucking look at them as well just fucking just fucking look at them Jay are we are we bringing the heat bleed from within is in Santa Ana California yes we are thank you for making a drive Ollie Gunzzi appreciate your time

back around it's nice fun where did you get this nickname Gunzzi right is that am I pronouncing it's a made up name it doesn't really matter how you pronounce it but my son name is Gowens. Yes.

So it's like the Scottish way of saying Gownsey, like Gownsey. If you say it fast enough. Oh, okay.

It's a shit thing. I didn't actually know that. You didn't know that? It's a terrible story for a bad nickname. There you go. But it's funny because we, that's,

like sometimes when I start like an email or something and I'm tempted to be like, everyone calls him Gounzi. I've called him Gunzi from the moment I've met him. If I ever say the word, Craig.

Craig? It's like, who's that? It just feels, weird to come out of my life. It's like when I call Kennedy, Scott, I'll only ever do that when his wife is present. For some reason when she's there, I'll end up being like,

Scott, ugh. It doesn't feel right, huh? But yeah, Gunzi, if I'm like introducing it with someone on an email, I'll be like, this is Goonzie, delete, this is Craig. Yeah. Because I'm just like, if somebody doesn't know us and reads that, they'll be, the fuck is that name. I'm glad that we are sitting next to each other

so we can prove we're not the same person because this is going to be a one of contention. Is that a thing? Wait, every day somebody tells me how good a drummer I'm. Oh, no, you get that to you. I'm sorry, man. He gets it all the time.

There's a really good story of O2 Academy, that one. And I think it was The Lamb of God show, actually. And this guy is, like, across the bar, and he's pointing at Goonzie, being like, yeah, yeah, Gunzi's like, me? And then he's like, yeah, you're awesome, man. Oh, no. He's stopped even fighting it now. Gunzi just goes, cheers. Go.

Cheers. Thanks. I've had it sometimes as well I get you know sick guitarist and I'm like thanks bro not so much though hardly compared to what he gets you know

dude we we dealt like that I mean our first half a bar career oh people would get me and Alex mixed up all the time oh two two Mexicans oh dude you're and sometimes people will say my name and say I'm a great drummer

just not like not it's insane it's just lazy isn't it really I mean this is two ginger folk in a band and they're like which one's which I'm like I've got about a foot on Gunzi. Gunzi always wears his hair down. He's at the back of the stage behind symbols.

Much nicer hair. You know, I've got these big ears flapping about it. It's just, I'm like, just, oh, use your eyes. You know what I mean? Use your freaking eyes, dude. Use your fucking eyes. Dude, the first year, I would get, like, offended or pissed. Then, like, I just, all right.

Thanks, man. I mean, now I'm just grateful that people know who we are. You totally. Exactly. To think that you guys are, your band is still here. I mean, you've been a band for over 20 years, 21 years? 22, I think, so official number. We formed in 2004, and I think the first gig was 2005.

Kennedy told me this last year. I actually thought we formed in 2005. But he was like, no, no, no. Band started 2004, first gig, 2005. So yeah, 22 years officially. Congratulations. Thanks. And to go from a point of your lives where there's like two years

where you guys didn't even do anything and you contemplated like not even being a ban anymore, correct? Yeah, it was just a bit of a shitty situation with record labels and management and we won't go into the details, you know? But it was a rough period of time and there was a lot of debt that was unaccounted for and we just had to take a step back basically to reassess

and kind of pay that off and we didn't really know the future seemed quite uncertain. When you're playing music and you're in serious debt, What's... Promotional use I think that's sitting in our studio Something. That's crazy.

It's somewhere. It's somewhere. But, yeah, when you play music and you're in the, I mean, we've been in debt many times. And it's just,

it's just like, I don't know, you just lose sight of what, of what you've been doing. It's tough, man. But it's great, it's great that you guys got through it. What really made you do

the second record then? Well, that was the... One more shot, let's try it. That was a fourth album? Yeah, we have two albums that aren't on Spotify at the moment because of original...

That's what it is. I got confused. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so they're not on Spotify. No. No. Why? Again, we can't really talk about it. Oh, man, you gotta get them on. Empire.

It's... Yeah, Humanity and Empire are the first two albums. That's the name of the record label there. I'm no even going to give them the fucking credit saying the name. But they have the rights to those at the moment, and it's still an ongoing case trying to get them back.

It's very much the plan to do something with them at some point. We get asked that all the time and we will. But they're not on Spotify, so for anyone that finds us on that, they think that our back catalog starts with Uprising, which was the first album we released on Century Media. It confused me. I thought there was like a record called Empire somewhere.

Because that's when we toured with you. Yes. That's, I don't even, we hadn't, Uprising wasn't out. No. So we would have been touring material from humanity and empire when we toured together. I know. No, I was confused.

But yeah, so after Uprising was when we kind of had to stop and take... Assess. Just assess where we were. And then I'd say the kind of... How'd you refocus? Not many people can. We had a bunch of songs written, and I think that's what really sort of got us through.

It was like we knew the songs were strong for us and the best stuff we'd ever written. We just didn't have the... Everything else was falling apart, really, that the songs were there. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. remember, because it was with Century Media,

it was kind of like they didn't get in touch with us to ask what was going on with the next option for the album, you know? They kind of respect to them, gave us the space because they knew we were going through this kind of tough time. And then after a number of years, I kind of reached out to our A&R, Melanie. Shout out, Melanie. She looked after this many years.

And just said, look, I think we're actually ready to come back with an album here. And she was like, you sure? It's been a while, you know? But we... I thought you're broke. up. You guys are still here? But not ultimately, I think

Kennedy talks about it on stage. We've got a really strong friendship that underpins the band and everything we do and, you know, we were still hanging out making music and absolutely nothing to lose. You know, that's the passion. The music is the ultimate thing. Like Gunzi said, it was everything else that was a bit shitty surrounding it, but we're just a group of guys that wanted to write back in metal and that's what we

done here. And that's when Stephen got involved with the band in between those two albums. Yeah, I think that brought something new to the band because he's got a beautiful singing voice and we'd never had that really. So that brought another kind of level level. So this is this is hot. That's actually a massive part of it. I think Stevens, we were at that point Martin had left.

It was the four of us. We were dealing with all that. We started looking for a new member. Steven's like first couple of demos and just like the first time we hung out with them. This story's quite funny. Like we met him once at the studio and then the second time was when we took him out in Hamilton.

So we went out in the sort of town that we're from and just got him absolutely shitfaced in a bar. And bear on mind he's six years younger than us. That was the real test. That was the real test. We took him out to see if we could hang. You know what I mean?

We all got hammered and then I had this flat in the centre of the town and we all went back there for drinks and we were just like, you're in the fucking band. This is it. And he's like, really? And we were like,

it's no going to be easy. It's not going to be easy. And he got, he's just, that was a proper lease of life, man. And just, his enthusiasm for it, I think, really just helped us. He brought that youthful energy as well, because he has, like, what, seven years younger than. Yeah. Yeah, because you guys, I mean, I mean, most of you not all went to school together, you guys grew up together. We grew up together, yeah.

I went to a separate school. Gunzi went to a separate school. Kennedy and Davey went to the same school. and then Stephen's obviously a bit younger. But we all met at this youth club called Universal Connections in Hamilton, and that was just like a place for, I think it was every Tuesday night. It was like a band night. It was like the sort of rock night where they set up instruments for you,

and you could just go and jam, and that's how we all met. And I think I had the first memory I have in meeting you is we sort of discovered we both love Lama God. And we used to jam as the Palisies Born, like start to finish, every single week. Yeah, used to try. Every week. Yeah.

Got to like track five or six and just gave up every week. We do for your malice and then, yeah, but scraper or something as we got into those parts of the album, that's where they all got a bit trickier. I was just like, but we gave it a good bash. Yeah. And, uh, and, uh, Gunzi, you, you mentioned that, uh, malice was a very important song for you.

Yeah. Right? That's just the one I always remember, like, jamming. I still, even we came in, you had the album on and I picked up my guitar. I can remember it was jamming it straight away, but, I guess, it starts with guitar, I guess. It's just quite an iconic riff to me. What's that riff?

Can we play? Yeah, dude. Go on. We're just going to open up with a fat riff, dude. That's it. I've not warmed up, but... Neither. That's my excuse every time.

I think it's... I think it's... It's... What are those chords? It's weird. Oh man. It goes into the triple. Solid of Mimbo.

Back out of it goes. I can't remember it. Got an electric kit there. I'm fucking try it. If you're young and you're playing it, that's going to really keep your chops up. They are a great band to keep or like to develop chops. I mean, we're guitar player, bass player and drummer. God, I mean those early albums, I mean, New American Gospel and Azapalus is Burn.

Chris's parts on them. So iconic, do you know what I mean? I think, like you said, it was a combination to listen to that kind of stuff and then just having, like, Goonzie kind of writing what he was writing. From a drumming perspective, anyway, that was really helping me to up my game. You know, I think it kind of took me a while to pick up the drums, and then the sort of development quite early on was just because of what was listening to and what was being told to play.

I was like, can you do this? And I was like, not quite, but I'll practice. When I was learning guitar, I'd quite quickly ditched all the things you're supposed to learn and just was learning tabs of bands that I loved. And that's when I really started loving guitar was when I started learning Lama God songs on guitar. When you stop practicing, you used to start playing. Exactly. Wow. I like that.

That's a great way to think about it. I'm just playing, dude. I'm not practicing. I'm just going to learn this song, dude. That's it. And I think being in a live environment, because that was such an incredible thing to experience. I think as a young musician, do you know what I mean? Just like going on a stage and playing a gig, playing multiple gigs, getting in a van going.

It's a city you've never been like all of those things together. That makes you want to get better, I think. You know, it makes you want to be able to play more. You want to write so you can continue to play. Of course. That feedback loop kind of thing. The feedback loop, yeah. You just want to keep.

And then then you get that like momentum. Yeah, exactly. How old are you when you first started playing drums? 12, I think 12 or 13 I think was around there because we all met when that was a roundabout

was that 14, 15 probably we met probably yeah I'm terrible with like years and So the U club was this like was this like an after school thing Was this? Yeah, it was like Tuesday evenings at like 6 or 7 o'clock

I think everyone would go there And there was I don't know Maybe 100 folk Everyone just hang out Some people didn't play instruments But they always had stuff set up interesting and I just started kind of messing around with drums I could play a few Pantera songs a few Lama God songs like bits and bobs you know and it was kind of when I would sit down

and play Lama God songs Guzzy's maybe hanging out next to the other guitar players and he's like I can play that and I was like oh shit so then we had that thing going you know and then Kennedy and our old guitar player wanted to start a band and they could hear that we could play guinsey actually moved was on bass at first yes I put bass in the band for the first couple albums but But he was still writing, he was still writing a bunch of riffs as well. We just dropped some new merch. We got a chug shirt, a pizza shirt, even a hot heat shirt, like the one currently on my body.

Head over to garsapodcast.myshopify.com. That's garsapodcast.myshopify.com. Or click the link below. Love you guys. Because you guys have been the main songwriters up until Stephen, correct? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Goonzie and Stephen are the main sort of songwriters. I think we get more involved with, I do a lot of the vocals and lyrics with Kennedy and then sort of drum parts and it's more sort of structural things and then ideas to what they are bringing in because it's all about the riff at the end of the day, let's be honest, you know?

It all starts with the riff and an idea and a mood from Gunzee or Stephen and then they throw it into the pot that is bleed from within and everyone, as I say, we are all quite involved, you know, that's the one good thing about us. We've always produced their own albums.

We've never worked with a producer. We have, like... Really? Yeah. Always self-produced. So we have like Nolly. Even as Zenith? Yeah.

Are you serious? Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. I don't know. I was, I was coming on my question. Like, who? They couldn't find anything. Like, who produced these last?

Yeah, we just have a very, very high sort of bar that we set for ourselves. And we're open to suggestions. I mean, whenever we do drums, we've worked with Nolly. Shout out, Adam Nolly Get Goods. Yeah, he'll chip in with, like, ideas or like, structural things and stuff. Yeah. And we all. say him we always go in with like I'll usually take in a bunch of different drumfills

or I'll be like you know this is the beat that we had demoed but I think about this and we throw it to him but we're always in the room you know Stephen and Goonzie always come down me when I'm tracking drums and there is that kind of collaborative effort there but we basically take in songs that are 90 95 percent done there was a couple of songs on zenith that we were still writing yeah we wrote the middle eight for one of the songs in the kitchen at middle farm studios while you were recording drums like you just had to track it the next day it was like the last day so that was like stress but

we're usually pretty organized before you hit the studio but we call those we call those a rush delivery sometimes hey it's we had one more day let's just write a song that's how it was some of the best songs come out that way I think that's the section I hope in hell is

the song and it was the middle eight and that was that's the people talking about right yeah yeah and I was tracking the drums for the start of the song knowing that I only had like a minute and a half of it. And they were in the kitchen, like Stephen and Gunzi were just sitting, punching things in.

And then when I was like, right, I've done up to the second chorus, what have you got? And then they hit play and I was just like, that is fucking amazing. And then there's, I'm sure there's video footage of me,

just trying to like learn the, it's like an ostinato, kind of, almost gently kind of rhythm or whatever. And there's just like footage of me trying to learn that in the control room and then going in and tracking it and fucking it up and coming back in

and like having to learn it on the spot. But yeah, sometimes pressure makes diamonds That's what they say Totally Never know That's how we wrote Disengage OCD

It's like a last day Literally like we're packing up today Fucking that's fucking The fucking rip gods Just drop something Like damn thanks man Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun I love it

It's like you I could have sat there for a year and never wrote that. Is that the one that starts with the snares? Yeah. It's just guitar. It's the last track for No Tondon of Bleed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I cannot write that. You were playing that on the tour. Yeah, I think it was like around the time that album came out at the V tour together. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Dude could have sat there for a year. And we never came out, dude. Just that, yeah, that, just that like kind of subconscious pressure.

Just count what it's sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes like something will just, oh shit, there's, there's a riff, there's a drum part, there's a song, and a melody will kind of fly in it. I mean, that always happens with us. I really try and crack the whip with everyone and be like, right, we need to write, we need to have this material kind of sitting there. I dare say we're off to a good start, but the next one, fingers crossed. But we always end up in a situation where it comes down at crunch time, do you know what I mean? And that's when there's a lot of pressure. And I think, There's so many songs and like vocal melodies and things that come in at the end of the process that really blow us away. Songs that we might have been considered on writing off as like a B-side or whatever. And then Kennedy comes in, he's like, I've just done this. And he sings over it. And we're just like, fuck. Yeah, that's happened sometimes in those songs that became singles.

Whereas before we heard the vocals, we were going to like cut them from the album. It's mad how much vocals can make a difference to us. Oh, yeah, never know. You never know until it's done and mixed. Yep. you know i've yeah i've learned the okay i mean i can't you can't judge anything to it's like done and yeah there there it is you know so do you guys ever talk about okay we're doing like a another record let's should we bring in somebody else should we get get some help

and i would love to work with producer man like genuinely just to see what would happen just i'm all for working with someone yeah but i mean so far along sorry we're just laughing here at the the first EP. He's bought up. Look at a fucking artwork, man. What fucking, what, what is that? Yeah, exactly. What, what is that?

That was our first EP. The fact, we had one before that, that was never really released. Four aces, man, fucking hell. I mean, you're so far along. I mean, what, so six? Six records. We're writing an album eight right now. Eight, okay.

Okay, so. I mean, you're so far along. It's like, kind of like a producer, would kind of help you sometimes kind of navigate your sound but since you already have it I wonder I'd love to do it and I think it's just a case

of finding the right fit and kind of being open to it and then there's a time element I mean we've always kind of recorded the last album we had two different drum sessions so we go in track half the album then we would go back in a few months later track the next half we're doing guitars

kind of in our studio in Glasgow and then we were doing vocals down in London and that was spread across four different sessions or something like that. I think it's difficult for us because we all have jobs you know everyone holds down a full-time job kind of outside of touring and writing and everything else so to sit and to work with a producer to be like right everyone has to take a week off or two weeks off and we have to go to this space and you know Kennedy's recently become a father and stuff and it's just all of this stuff just makes it tricker.

We've kind of done it in our own way now and as chaotic as it is works. For me it's like direction when you start writing an album it's like you don't know where to start like that's where we're at right now we're just trying to try and everyone. Yeah so I think a producer would help with that

like giving you direction for the start whereas I think we don't find direction until we've written like half the album and then you start right, okay right now I see how it's going to sound or what's missing. I wonder what yeah I'm really curious how that will work or if

when you're so far along an eighth record I'm so curious seven records of being so produced I'm like I wonder

I don't know we're all pretty hard on each other as well I think I mean part of yourself too it's like I suck yeah

it's brutal I mean I think there's a nice story with sort of me and you I've spoke about this before where I think like the trust as we've got older and just got to know each other's kind of writing styles better

and just how we work in that kind of space and I think it was Shrine I think Fracture me and Goonzie but it heads a lot more and then on Shrine we were kind of demoing stuff and Gunzzi'd be like here's this song or whatever and it'd be like version two or three

and I'm like that's great and Gunzzi's like are you just saying this to not argue with me or you just wanting the album done and I was like no this idea is okay but I trust your final vision I couldn't work out why he was being so nice to me because we always have at least one thing on every album

where we proper argue about it I think that this album was the drum fill at the start of Zenith the song Oh there was that God Complex as well I told Goonzie God Complex would never make the album Those were my exact words In a studio in Brighton

Never gonna make it And then Kennedy had to apologise Again I was like I've still haven't all learnt my lesson So now he delivers these ideas And there's stuff coming in Like now for the next album and everything I'm just like

I will see this out until it's end point I trust his vision to do it do you know what I mean I think we've known each other long enough to not upset each other and make comments on each other's songs you know what I mean? Yeah how it's just say how how far along is to arguing are you guys past a yelling point

are you still yelling each other? No one would never yell but we had a bit of back and forth about us all the other do one of the songs we've been writing but I mean again we vote on stuff There's five members, you know, so it's always going to go one way the other. It will get to a certain point and then just be like, what does everyone think?

Cast a vote. And if it's three to two, it goes that way. You know what I mean? We try and keep it very diplomatic as best we can, you know, if it gets to that. But, yeah. Sometimes you fight over something doesn't even fucking matter. Like a drum fill? It doesn't matter, dude.

It doesn't matter. Oh, it's so funny. But it's funny because I could tell you that and you can tell me that. But when you're in it. When you're in the zone, it's like, ah, no, this is what. You get so attached to the demos, what I do in it? Yeah, Goonzie gets really attached. Demoitis.

Demoitis. Demoitis. That's a great name for it. Yeah, people here, whatever you hear, like the people, the fans hear something so differently. I always tell, I always say that I don't know what my band sounds like. That's actually a really interesting concept. You guys have no idea what your band sounds like. because you have a filter

and you think a certain way. Well, everyone hears every song different, right? I guess that's the same rule applies to it. I've never thought about it like that, but it's the same with like, our band name fucking bleed from within. It's the worst fucking name ever. I absolutely hate it. I wanted to try and change it back in 2018.

You were going to change it? Which is a stupid idea. I knew it was stupid. You can't change the name. We'd spent years building that. That's a terrible idea. I know. Fucking terrible. But I was so convinced of how terrible bleed from within was. as a band name. I was like, we have to change it. And now I'm like, that's so stupid. Why would have done that? But we spoke about changing

it to just bleed. Just bleed, yeah. It'd just be harder to find online, I guess. I know. It was such a funny thing back then, and then whenever I've bought that up to folk now, you know, there's so many people who I tell it to. A lot of people like, yeah, it's a terrible name, but look what you've done, you know, and this is, that's your thing now. And then there's other people that like, dude, it's sick,

dude, it's gnarly? And I'm like, is it? Is it? The music makes the name I don't even think we sound like a band called bleed from within I think it just gets to a stage where it doesn't matter People just know the name And doesn't don't really think about what it means or how it sounds But yeah

It just gets to a point where yeah It's just no one even thinks about it Yeah It's more like I think the actual logo is more important And like the music Recognizable Yeah like it's something yet It's like a vibe to it

Suicide silence is a great name by it No it's not that's terrible too What? No, it's better than bleed from within. Oh, as far as Oh, no. I like the way it rolls off the top. Appreciate that.

It really suits the music, I think. Yeah, and it sits, everything about it is like a good package. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of metal. Yeah. The backdrop that we made for the Slipknot tour was just that, and it was massive. And I walked into some of those rooms just like after Katern or whatever,

and I saw it kind of hanging up. And that's the first moment. I was like, it's not that bad. It's fine. It's not bad. You're like, you know what? I think we should change a band name. I saw it.

I was like, now it has to go. You're at the hydro. You're like, you changed the band name. You're like, how many records were, were you in at that point?

In 2018. Yeah. Three and then, you know, was the full. Yeah, that was the year of either. Yeah.

Dude, three records then changed a ban. What, that's a fucking terrible idea, dude. Well, no, what that's,

from the manager, no less. Well, that's, So you're gearing up for Aera, right? Yeah, it was around about that period today. Okay. You guys did something.

Like that's kind of felt like from outsider. Like that's kind of when, okay, like you're finding, because that, the record before that to Aura is like a big jump. I was listening to Aria. I don't know. I'm like a switch here. Yeah, I think a big part of that would have been Stephen's involvement, getting him more involved with the right process.

his voice and stuff. And then also the mix, that was the first mix with Nolly. That's where we really tapped in sonically to a sound that I think we'd all maybe had in our heads. And we were just all, I think we'd found ourselves a bit more as like musicians and players and stuff. Ging Z's sort of writing style as well. So you guys are a while to find your sound doing like a deep type on you guys. So it took them like some records to find their thing where sometimes band will have like their, you know, first one. There it is.

That wasn't our path. No. No. I think the first couple albums we were just trying to sound like the black diamond which you can really hear if you listen to the first album. But I think after our uprising, yeah, we started getting all our influences in the right place.

I think even now we still use the same bands as an influence like that we listened to back then. You can still hear some of those sounds going through, but we've just sort of tried to refine it a bit more. Definitely, yeah. And then what was a, So what happened with Shrine? Because it was just like, boom.

It's just like another level. Well, the years are actually wrong with that. 2020 was when Fractors came out, 2022. Because it was every two years, basically. And then Zenith, we actually were going to release it in 2024. But then we got the Slapknot tour, so we pushed it back to align with that. That's a good reason. But Fracture was the, if we're talking about the kind of catalyst or whatever,

fractures where we really pulled it together, I think. and Shrine was kind of a development of that. And then I spoke about this in press for Zenith or Shrine, I can't remember. But I always felt like ERA, Fracture and Shrine were like a kind of trilogy. To me, I grouped them all together for whatever reason. And I'm not sure why. But in my head, that was like, those were our albums. Those were like the formative albums to what you know now is bleed from within, in my mind.

And then Zenith was us experimenting within that space. Okay. I think. Yeah, because those three have got Nollie mixing them. David on the artwork sort of got that uncommon too but yeah

was Zenith we decided to just mix everything yeah yeah because Shrine had some bangers dude

it did it's just it's just banged up dude like how like how did you guys write uh damn

I am damnation and levitate um damnation those two in particular that was like a sentence that Kennedy

had said I think we'd watch Greg Pucciato was doing a live stream during COVID and it was really sort of industrial kind of sound and Kennedy just said to me like man

I'd love us to have like an industrial sounding song and it was literally just him saying that sentence that started messing about with like the sort of industrial sounding drum samples and yeah that's where that came from just those sort of samples at the start of the song just went from there had no plan really before the riff? Yeah I'd say most

stuff for me the idea comes before the riff I'll like right I want to write an industrial song I'll try and write a riff that sounds like Okay. Yeah. I don't often pick up the guitar first. Interesting. It's probably quite unusual.

Because we're on to our siloises right now, and Josh Middleton, he's the opposite to me. He's all the riff. He'll write riffs and then write songs where I'm like the other way around. Interesting. So you have an idea first

and some kind of beat? A beat? Yeah, maybe a tempo or a just a set, like I've got a list on my phone of songs I want to write. Like, it could be like, I don't know. write a song that has blast beats at the start with a melodic chorus just something simple at that or just like band names like write a song that sounds like slip knot meets behemoth or something i don't know just random band names and stuff and that'll just look at the list and that'll like inspire me to start something it'll like spark something yeah exactly interesting yeah because those are banger rips dude Cheers.

IAM Damnation is such a fun song to play live as well. That always hits so hard. And I think it's a proper fan favorite for us. And I think Levittates the same. What's that first riff to IAM Nation? What's the first one? It's got the clean start,

but the actual riff, I'll put your octave pedal back on. I turned it off. Yeah, I have like a little octave going. It's like super simple, man. It's like there's not even any pamutes in it. I would have, like, said any good riff would need to have pamutes in it, but it has, like, no pamutes in it.

Super simple, man, but, yeah. Those bands are, man, you have to be Scottish to have those, those bands, dude. A drunken bend. That's the only, that's the only, that's the only, you have to drink these, like, for, like, 10 years. Exactly. To write those. Drink can and brew from birth. That's what you get.

And what, and what's the riff after? Um, there's not a lot of riffs going on that song, I'll be honest. It's like a clean section. Yeah, it's just like parts that move the song on really. Yeah. And then, yeah, there's a middle-eight riff, which is a sort of, it's very similar to that riff, but it's got mad effects and stuff going on. There's a 100% drop on that part.

We've got like midi switching, so it's constantly switching. But, yeah. It's nice how you, what's the word I'm looking for? like you're like manipulating the octaves because it's octave here and here and then you do octave again but it sounds yeah different as like a crazy like dimension to it yeah always try and do that like you're using the same notes really but if you play them a bit differently or on a different string or a different octave it makes it sound completely different totally what what's a main riff or levitate oh god this is a fiddly one yeah yeah we need yeah we need to get horned up right now dude

I'll play it slow because the bends are like quite unique. Okay. Because the first bend is like, and the second one's like starts up and goes down. Okay. The first one goes down up down. Full speed. That's a theme for the whole song too. Oh yeah.

It's like system of down, aerials kind of vibe. so I'm using the same stuff for fills during the whole song and the clean part at the start I don't even know what you're doing there it's just the octave on the and then this the open string and then you're moving the power cord about by keeping that same open string

it's like you're uh Like you're doing the band and you're adding like a... Yeah, it's really tricky to get those, like, I'm not playing them great right now because I've not warmed up. That's my excuse. Yeah, I'm not. I saw I grab my pick differently for those parts. Like I'd grab it with two fingers rather than one. Oh, you do the rest of the riff.

You do the two finger type. Yeah, yeah. I don't know why it just feels like you can get more. I try. That's what you do last one. Yeah. Oh, bina, nah, no, yeah. Okay, sick.

I try to like practice with the holding it with two two fingers. I saw James Heffield do it. I'm gonna try it. Is it so awkward? I can't like, oh, God, I can't do it.

You just switch to that whenever you do a faster part. Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah. It's a subconscious thing, I think. I didn't really notice.

I do it, but yeah. I had no idea that that bend went from like the other way down. That's me just realizing that he does it. I've been playing the song win for four years. Do you believe in within? I think I think I found out your band's secret. It's just drunk bends.

We're going to call them the steaming bend from now on. That's what that's called. All right, I'm going to go to the pub and I'm just getting inspired. It's our bending. Do you, do you write Rivas drinking or are you at home chilling? Well, killing time. Yeah. That was that one, but yeah.

That was Edibles, I think. Yeah. Killing time? I don't know, I kissed the guitar. Killing time is a. Yeah, that one. Enibals. I was writing on an acoustic guitar, but, which is mad because it sounds completely different, but yeah, it just worked.

The working title for that song was called Bong Song. Bong Song, yeah. For obvious reasons. Just fucking, just high as fuck, just connected to the, just fucking connected to God, dude. That's it. We had a song, we had a song on Empire called, what was the last track of that called? I was maybe going to bring it up just now. I want to say, I genuinely can't remember the...

Legion. Legion. Right. No, welcome to my... That was on the EP that's a bonus. I think it was called Legion then, and it was... The working title was called Weed Fessent, because the studio we were at, I was out the back of the house smoking a joint.

Yeah. And I was so high. I always had a very low tolerance for weed anyway, but I was high out of my mind. And I heard a pheasant, and it went... Blah, blah, blah, blah. I was... I was... I swear God, it made that.

It made that noise, and I recorded it into my phone as a voice note, and I pushed for it, I made it into a song, well, it made it into a beat, and then it was like, we have to do this, and we ended up here. It's a really shit song as well. But the working title for that was weed pheasant, because I was fucking high as balls,

and I don't even know if it was a pheasant, but something made that noise. A pheasant is a, uh, what's a, uh, it's a type of bird, right? Okay, a pheasant. I have no idea. of that's what it was man it could have been in it also I might have just made that noise up

I don't know okay so we tend not to write under the influence I think that has to be said of course yeah most of our riffs are nice and sober it's straight edge it's always after yeah oh it's always after work is done now we can pub it up now we can party and drink and drink these

and we can drink am brew yes everyone should drink iron brew there's not alcoholic though they'll just soda that's to be said what what oh yeah there's soda it's not it's not alcoholic I don't know we made that clear. Oh, are you serious? I thought it's not. No, no, it's a soft drink. It's Scotland's national drink.

We'll give you the pitch that we give everyone, right? So I've got the images up here. But there's only a handful of places in the world where Coca-Cola isn't the highest selling soft drink. And Scotland's one of them. This outsells Coca-Cola. Really? Yeah. You go to any supermarket in Scotland and they have like walls dedicated to iron brew.

You get it in cans. You get it in small bottles, large bottles, plastic bottles, glass bottles, two-liter bottles. Get it all. You get iron-brew energy. drinks, you get iron brew zero, no sugar, you get diet iron brew. People in the States know that we love it. We don't really get it here, but people have been bringing them to shows the order on Amazon. Yes, that's sick. Do you want to try it? Should we crack these cans just now? Yeah, I'm curious. Yeah, I wasn't going to drink it's

because it was alcohol. No, no, no. How do you pronounce it again? Iron brew. Iron brew. It's iron just without the O, you know? So, cheers to bleep from it then. And you've got to give us our honest reaction here. Okay, let's do it. Necta. Holy shit. So what do you think it tastes like? Talk the viewers through it.

Okay, I'm tasting some orange. Good start. And like orange cream soda. This is what everyone says. All the Americans say, dude, taste like orange cream soda. Are people who say it tastes like Anka Cola, something you get here? Anchor, okay. Inca.

Inca. Inca. It's like a Peruvian cola. Yeah, Peruvian. I think. Okay, this is Okay, it's pretty sick. There used to be a lot more sugar in it and then the sugar tax came in and they

There's only 15 grams of sugar now but it used to have like 35. A sugar tax? Yep, it's a thing in Europe, I think in the UK. Okay. You had to reduce all the sugar and beverages and stuff. Okay, so Iron Brew needs to sponsor Bleep from Within. We've been trying so hard. Iron Brew, if you see this,

saw it out your boys. You know what I mean? We're flying the flag for you here. So I did research on your band. I found like a 15-year-old interview with you, and you're talking about this. 15 years we've been trying to get that. 15 years? I remember.

We're talking 15 years, dude. There you go. Look at that speed show. Is it really that bad? No, it's not. It's incredible. It's the greatest taste and soft drink of all time. Hands down.

And we miss it dearly whenever we leave. And it's not yet. It's cool. It tastes good. I don't drink it. Well, I kind of do drink it a lot. you don't notice until you go to another country that doesn't sell it. It's when you go to Europe and you go a week or two without it

and you go, fuck, I could really go a can of brew, you know? But when I'm at home, I'll just get it every now and again. I tend to buy the zero one, which is zero sugar. Yeah, and you get the full fat one as a little treat. There's J.B. trying it. This is a, the video that's on here is that Welcome to Rockville. Got the Imbrew microphone. You are fucking pushing this thing, dude.

Let's fucking make it happen. So that's me getting J.B.E. from August Bruns Red. Shout out to those boys. We absolutely love them. and that's him doing there's going to waving in the background uh

oh yeah he said bubble gum bubble gum okay yeah it's a little hint of bubble gum jb would have loved that because he loves sweet treats that guy I've never seen

went on his bus in the first tour we did of the States 2023 august murns red bought us out shout out to those guys again absolutely love them and uh

we went on their bus and he has like a drawer that's just full of sweets Twizzlers fucking loves Twizzlers and I was trying to tell him that American sweets just suck compared to

UK ones. I was like, we've got much better things on offer. And he wasn't having that. So I bought over some Percy Pigs the last time we toured together. And he wasn't a fan. I get a doubt you've ever had Percy Pig. Do you know what the Percy Pig is? No. There you go. Right there. An iconic piece of British

confectionery. Okay. But he wasn't a fan. Oh, I'm on the cover. Okay, sick. Percy Pig. Okay, so this is... Okay, so this is... It looks... Dublin, Ireland.

Am I reading it's correct? No, I mean, these are sold in Marx and Spencer's, which is like a supermarket chain in the UK. Okay. But yeah, I feel like we've gone off topic somewhat, but there you go. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

From I ambrut at Percy Pink. I'll take a Percy Pig. I'll take a Percy Pig. I'll take a Percy Pig, dude. What's it like... Because my only... experience with Scotland and

Glasgow, it's garage. That's pretty much like I've seen that area grow. I remember going to the garage many times and out of nowhere there's a Taco Bell. When there's a Taco Bell across the street, I fucking freaked out. I'm like, there's no way

there's a Taco Bell across street from the garage, dude. There is no way. There is, man. Garage. iconic venue. It's got the big truck hanging out of the front. Was this your spot? Or what's like your home venue?

I mean, we've fucking done them all. The first place we really played was the Barfly in Glasgow, which is no longer there. We played there with you guys before we toured together. Did we? Yeah.

Yeah. Typhon bleed from within suicide silence, Glasgow. Yeah, I was thinking today, how long have I never? known these guys. I think that tour was 2012.

Is that right? 2011. Yeah, I was a mess, so I... Does it say that? I don't... I can't find a... Some kind of...

Maybe like a flyer maybe. No? That's old school, man. Glasgow has so many venues. Yeah. We're blessed in that. I mean, we've... Yeah, we've really gone through them,

but Barfly is one of the ones I remember first in the Vale. The Cat House. The Cat House. Which is like one of the UK's biggest rock clubs as well. Shout out to Cat House. Used to go there when we were younger quite a lot. Yep.

I remember hearing about the Cat House. Yeah, that's the one with the stairs. The load in is unforgiving. It's many stairs. Yes, it's brutal. I actually want to say the Cat House is the venue we played on that tour. I don't remember, maybe. Maybe after the building.

But yeah, Cat House and then after that, it's the garage pretty much. There's also one in the middle called St. Luke's, which is like a convert. church but we've we've played them all basically up to the Barrelands now we've done the hydro we've done the O2 Academy as well but we've now headlined everything up to the Barilands the next goal is the O2 Academy and then hopefully we're headling the hydro at some point that'd be the you guys did the hydro the dream again the Barerlands was the dream come true for us so that was the end of our the headline tour for the most recent album we finished with two sold-out nights at the Barerlands in Glasgow of

1900's capacity. Congratulations. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, that's nearly 4,000 folk over two nights. It was, that was the dream come true. Since we started this band, that is the venue

that we wanted to headline. It wasn't the hydro, it wasn't the SECC, which is the other convention center. This is the fucking one, dude. It's just, we want a jam here. It's steeped in history. That's ceiling the ceiling's like really iconic. Like my grand's in her 90s and she used to go dancing here when she was younger

because it's a ballroom. and my first ever show that I ever went to was POD in El Nino at his venue so it's just the coolest thing for me Yeah, I used to work as a stagehand in there as well Did you really? Yeah, Barlan's crew Fuck yeah, dude

They are notoriously fucking hard bastards When you have to be mental to work there Because the load in Explains a lot The load in is just like a set stairs Like at the side And they've got an ancient like Pooley system

them in the middle to send up like the sound desk you know like massive analog desks that they get in sometimes or big sort of lighting carts but it's a pulley that's how they have to get it up and then the rest of it they basically split the load in like a group of guys will have each sort of landing each kind of stairway so you go together in groups of four and you just launch the stuff from the back of the trailer just cut running it up the stairs and if you can't keep up with them they just tell you to fuck off that's it they used to call me hamish that was it just because my hair was ginger and there's a ginger actor, a ginger character in Braveheart

with, you know, his name's Hamish. So that's, they were like, what's your name? And I said, Ali, and they were like, fuck, you're Hamish. And then I got Gunzi doing some shift to me, and he became Hamish's brother. That was it. Hamish Campbell.

Oh, shit. Shout out to Mel Gibson. Shout out of Mel Gibson. But aye, Barolandsman, that is one of the greatest venues in the world. And it was an absolute dream come true to Headley. that and to sell out those back-to-back nights man that was what year was this that was 2025

october so October last year took 21 years yep took 21 years to do that yeah people forget how long it takes of fucking do something sometimes man I mean that's it we talk about this a lot it's I don't think there's a secret to well I disband anyway there's no secret to our success if you can paint it in any way like that we've just fucking put the head down and got the blinkers on and I think we're very little bit of it. lucky to have that loyal fan base that we've built up over all these years and that's the sort of tactic that we

went for that we never really knew we were going for it's just sort of happened that way yeah it's beautiful man a really slow sort of organic build but we're now reaching a point where I think because it's taken so long as well we're just we're so grateful to be where we are I don't I think there's

the only lucky part of it all in my eyes is the fact that we found each other you know and by that I mean that there's a friendship to carry us through it for when the times got tough like we discussed earlier. But, you know, there was a really great quote about luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. And I was like, we're now in a position

where we're very experienced at what we do because we've been doing it for so long. So when the right opportunities come along, we're in a really good position to take full advantage of them. You know, I work for the management company, so I run the band, 5B management, Goonzie, Davey and Kennedy work in motion graphics. Like motion graphics, lyric videos, live visuals.

Goodsey does like the live visuals for Bring Me Horizon and stuff like that. And it's, we're now in a position like we had a video wall in Roseville the other day. And we can run fully time-coded visuals when are set. Just if we turn up and it's there, he's like, no worries. And it works, you know. And then Stephen, with all that he brings to the production kind of mix inside of stuff for our content for recording, we're just in a good position in a really good spot

but it's taken 22 years to get to this just to start just to fucking start and we talk about that as well you know it's nice to be considered just a start dude to a lot of people

we're still a new band and I think it's nice to you tell people we've been going for 22 years and it's like Kevin Hartcliffe and they go damn you know you want to call us a young band and we're like 38 average age it's like yeah cool I'll take that

you want to call me young that's fine yeah I'm a member being an outsider. I think we, last the last time I saw you in person was, uh, was it with full force? It was,

it was one of those festivals. And I remember like around that time I was like, yeah, there's like a switch somewhere. Like you guys, you guys aren't even like the same band anymore. It's like something different. And I was that, you always do,

there's always like that curiosity. Man, I wonder what, what, what they did. They're like a real band now. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Again, you're doing like a little bit of researchers it's a very different trajectory than what I I see typically is you always like oh the first record you have your sound and then

you kind of go off and hopefully you don't break up yeah I think that's for a lot of bands that's just what they hope you know hope we don't break up dude dude dude dude that's my goal just don't fucking break up dude that's it just don't fucking just keep going put put your fucking head down

dude it's it that's it man I don't think I don't think people really appreciate you know we'll live embodiment of that always said that we were like the working man's metal band and stuff it was just like and you know there's loads of bands like us i'm not saying we're the only one obviously um a lot of the bands that we've came up with through the uk as well silos has been one of them lev you know all these guys have been at it for a fucking long time yeah and i don't think people truly appreciate when they like start a band and they're if you if you're not like gunning it

from your teens you know and these people that start a band in the late 20s or something and then start to get really frustrated or start a band in the 30s and like oh we're not getting this we're not that and they get really bitter straight away and i'm like totally it's gonna take you a long fucking time you know you have to really put the head down and just yeah write the songs find the crew play the shows and just keep going yeah i was having a conversation with someone that was uh they were managing bands and uh and she was telling me like oh yeah this this one band's 40 uh they're like they're getting frustrated and they're already getting like entitled but i'm like I was like holding back in my head.

I'm like, no one gets the fuck that you're 40. No one gets a fuck. If you're not, like, you're surrounded by bands that are fucking hungry as fuck. And no one cares about your age.

No one fucking cares. I couldn't find myself to tell her. Like, if I were you, I'll drop them because they're going to fall off at some point. Well, that's, it's an interesting point though,

isn't like, everyone's hungry. I think it is like in general, the scene is, I mean, there's obviously, there's an element of, there's people out there that are fake

and there's fucking snakes and there's people coming to fuck you over and everything else but ultimately there's good folk like I look at this package that we've been able to put together on this US run life cycles

shout out to that fucking band riffs for days riffs for fucking days ripped up but just the fucking nicest guys do you what I mean like genuine sweethearts they're in a system of a down cover band

called system of a brown okay absolutely incredible all Mexican boys you know what I mean like the San Antonio, Texas there they are there fucking shout out to them. Ador boy.

But those guys absolute sweethearts right and they're just hungry as fuck and you can see it in them when they play you can see it at the merch every day they're fucking grinding out this tour on a van with the makeshift bunks no complaints every day we're having to go to them literally was talking to their drummer

ex and I was like this was in Grand Rapids I'm like dude you know you can come back and use the showers and the dress rooms and stuff we haven't seen you in there and they're just like we're just staying out the way there's not a lot of space today and that's kind of like that's just in them

and we're pulling them into the venue everything guys come in and hang you know this is your space as well yeah great American ghosts um another fucking band that are just absolutely killing it and we absolutely love

and they've been gunning it for a long fucking time and then of course silas as well so it's all these guys are hungry as fuck it's also being around it because it makes

it gives you energy it's one reason why I do this I'm surrounding by hungry people and it puts like put like just like some conscious like drive you know just always being around people that love something or like want something so bad that it's going to keep

doing something either for money or no money at all and I just this is it does something to you I can't put words to it but it does something just being around it all the time that you got you gotta have some fucking hunger dude who what that's just yesterday this was yesterday? This is

I just have to make a comment here In fact there's my comment right there I actually say This is the most rock star shit I've ever done in my life Massive shout out to Chuck Billy From Testament and his wife Tiff We toured with Testament in 2013

Yeah something like that Dark Roots of the Earth Yes And we Tiff was just mum of Tiff That's just what we called her She looked after us And we've bumped into them

Over the years festivals, shows, done the odd off show and stuff, I also to support them as well at some point. We had a day off on tour and our light guy and our TM also works for Testament, told Tiff that we were coming through. We had a day off between

Roseville and L.A. And they opened their doors to us yesterday. We parked our tour bus at their house. They took us out on a boat on the lake. They gave us shots of their jet skis. They fucking Chuck had the barbecue on, smoked some ribs for like eight hours. Absolutely insane. Insane. Like,

that's the greatest day off-bleed from me than I've ever had. And that video that you just had up there is me on a jet ski doing some promo for the show tonight in L.A. It was just like we were coming out of like we were in the wake bit so we had to stay at like five miles an hour.

And then we get out on the water and his boat speeds up and Davy our basis is like hanging off the boat and he's like I don't know if you're going to be able to hear you you're going to have to shout. And I was just like, Ellie, let's fucking go. Just screaming on a jet ski. How fucking cool is that?

Yeah. That was my first time in a jet ski. ski yesterday. It's so much fun, man. So much fun. There we go. With the audio as well. Let's fucking have it. And a boy. There's Tiff there, Chuck's driving the boat.

Honestly, one of the greatest. Let's fucking have it. Just, oh. I watched that about 10 times this morning, just on repeat. I was like, what is this? Life, you know what I mean? It's your life, man. Shout out to them. You're in it.

This comment from Great American Ghost watching this from a mobile hellbox. They're in a Cruze America RV fucking grinding it out on this stuff.

Proper fucking crack me up man. So what guitars do we have here, man? I know got to talk about them a little bit. This is,

I'll forget the model name, it's the LTDM 1000 HD. This is the production model but I swapped all the hardware out for gold. I do this in all my guitars and that's just the exact same

but it's the seven they've got different pickups that's got the fisherman modern florence and that's got the Nolly bare knuckle signature polymath okay yeah that's what it looks like when you buy it off the shelf

but yeah had to change out the hardware man needs to be done in course and it's like kind of the same colour as my hair oh yeah that's sick that's not why I've got it though What are the difference

from the pickups? These are the active ones and these are passive I've never tried these before I've put them in this guitar just to sort of try them but I love them so I might try them in my sexies

but yeah these are great too man nothing bad to say about these it's got the split yeah pretty simple guitar but I love it but it's got the

I always put these on little pick holders in the back in case you get too hammered and you start dropping them It's right It's right there In case you have too many

Iron Brews Exactly It gets a sugar coma In case You had too many of these It'd be pretty hard To get pushed on these Oh course

I'm trying for you guys I know That's my main goal If you drank too many of these But no I heard if you have an iron brew Like you get bigger biceps And then you get like a really big Tricep pump

And then it's like It makes you right bit of roofs Yes Yeah It aids cognitive function That's what I heard. You heard. And that's science.

And you can't argue science. You cannot, dude. Science backed beverage. Oh, yeah. Did you use these guitars on the new record? Yeah, we used them on Zenith. I got them just before that, I think. Just before we started regarding that, yeah.

Yeah, shout out to ESP. My man Tony's coming to the show tomorrow. I've not seen them in a while, so that'll be good to hang. Is the seven the same? Yeah, exactly the same. Yeah, it's the M1-007 HD. Yeah, but we play this in a really odd tuning because that's the guitar we use for the bagpipe song.

So we had to change the tuning to match the bagpipes because our tuning didn't work with the bagpipes because that can only work in certain tuning. So this is in drop C with an A on the bottom because the bagpipes are an A. So yeah, it's a really weird tuning for a seven. Wait, what? Yeah.

I'll explain it. Yeah, can we? Yeah. See, now we got to hear it. I mean, now we got to hear the passive pickups. This is really going to confuse people when they see me holding a guitar. Yeah. Oh, no, it's fuck.

Do we did a photo shoot for no, no, no ton of bleed? And they made me hold the sticks. Oh, fuck. If that wouldn't have helped. Fuck me for years, dude. I still hate that fucking photo shoot, dude. You know, sometimes they have like a, oh, let's try some ideas. And those are the photos that they always use.

I get fucking pissed, dude. We should do a, we should do a section here. where I let my hair down and hold the guitar as well. We've always said that in music videos for like one shot we should just... We should just swap. Me and you should swap. Just for like a frame and a music video, just swap for instruments, you know, Ging Z on the kit for just a bit and just get people to go,

what was that? Yeah, so the tuning of this, if you take away that string, it's just drop tuning. That's drop C and then that's an A. So the, it would be like the ninth threat would be the octave there. It's like three, half steps lower so we use it just like that the inverted power cord on four there so that's that's a tuning for in place of your hail which is the song the bagpipes yeah really weird tuning but we've always used this for some reason just to get three steps three half steps lower

so is that so is that on a new record yes this is on two songs three songs i think we've got another song that's in E, but live we just use the transpose on the neuro instead of having like another extra guitar and another extra spare guitar so it makes more sense that way. Is it the same thing like you have like the weird drop tuning? Yeah it's it's just lower yeah pretty much to do a power chord it would be you need to stretch four for it yeah oh my god that's a freaking power cord. We mostly use it like that. What was that riff?

That's in place of your halo, the backpack one, yeah. That's a sick riff, dude. I think we tried to do everything in the same riff in that. You've had that riff for a long time though. That came out of, I saw earlier they were playing the kind of shrine writing sessions when we were up at the lodge. Really? And I remember that's been sitting around since like 2021.

Oh, yeah. And then I wrote a vocal pattern for the start of it. And I was just like, we have to do something with the rest of this song. And then this is when Goonzie finally got his moment with the bagpipes. Because Goonzie's been wanting to put bagpipes in a song for about 20 years. Yeah. They all thought it was like super cringe and stuff. I was like, man, we need to sort of show our Scottish roots here and just do it.

And one of these moments. One of these moments where I was just done fighting with Gunzi, you know? Oh, yeah. Finally got his way. And then we were like, me, that's fucking sick. It took seven records. Yep. But we got there.

Admittedly, it was the right time. So if we'd done it 10 years ago, no one would have heard it. You know, and now it was a great. Nobody cared probably. It became the song. Do you know what I mean? The lead single? Well, we released hands of sin as like a standalone and then we started the pre-order campaign with this song with the bagpipes in it.

And that was really, Goonzie's time to shine. How did you, what was first, like the rhythm breakdown to it? Or did you have like a bagpipe, like, melody in your head? Like, what had like, because the backpipes could win towards the end of the song, we had the whole start of the song. We just didn't have an end. But I think I was at like a new year parade and there was like a Scottish marching band playing and I realized the Scottish marching tempo

is the exact same tempo as that song. I was like, man, I can use that. Like the dida-d-d-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Like sort of snare pattern. It is a car like, tempo, huh? Yeah, like the snare thing came first. And I was like, oh my God. There is.

Just do bag pipes on top of that. It's perfect. How did you get like the bagpimes still? Like, did you, like... I think I downloaded this plugin that sounded pretty, pretty shitty to be honest. I remember this being downloaded and I remember I'm just, when you were

demo on it, we were on tour somewhere I'm sure, and you had, you were running the notes through it and it's just everybody in the fucking dressing room was just like, are you writing a fucking bagpipe breakdown? And he's like, the headphones go on and he just starts cooking away and everyone's like, what's going on here? You know? It's made too much sense, man. I think we were worried about people

comparing us to corn for a while. He's like, oh, corn have done that. before but like we're Scottish man we have the right to do it more than anyone ACDC done it before they yeah exactly it's like dude like you like you fucking live there sorry we're doing some of guns idea that's him writing this all okay so I think I did a little bit of digging on the bagpipes I think which is if this is true this is hard which makes a breakdown even harder I think in the 1500s they replaced the trumpet the bagpipes for for war and battle That's sick. That makes sense.

Yeah. The Battle of Pinky, I think, might have been the first one. Holy shit. Yeah, some history there. I'll offer you know this and we don't. Yeah, this is genuine surprise on my face. I have no idea what you're talking about here, but this is incredible. Pinky Battle.

An instrument of war. 1547. Oh, it was a major English victory. Sorry. I don't think you guys are going to let the outcome of this. No. We've seen braveheart Don't worry

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And they hadn't heard the song obviously so the fans are coming down here on a brand new song for the first time Oh yeah there was like 50 or 60 people there and instant reactions though well it was cool as fuck because they were all buzzing so obviously Director shouts action everyone starts jumping around and at the moment where the bag pipes come in they instinctively all raised their hands I think you've probably see it. Can we put the volume up for this? Just one second. That section right there, that was not scripted. Oh, really? It's a primal shit, dude. When they all raised their horn, it was goosebumps

in the room at that point. Oh, wow. They all just started laughing and cheering and just being like, what the fuck is this? You know? Wow. And you see it live now. I'm even getting goosebumps fucking talking about it. But when we've played live and we get to bring out the live pipers and stuff, it is

it does something to you. It's proper primal. Do you know what I mean? Like the There's something to it, dude. Yes. You feel the freedom. Running through your veins. Freedom. Right.

People still shout that as in the street here. And then you finally did it live with a Piper Alley? Yes. Yes. First time doing it live in the States. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize that she's probably the most followed bagpiper on Instagram.

It's crazy, man. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Like a million followers. Oh, shit. Like two million on TikTok. We reached out to her and didn't think she'd even read it,

but she was well up for it, man. It was very, very good. Yeah, I think we'll probably end up working with her again at some point. She was great. But, yeah, we've got a team of pipers that we use back in the UK. Boys from Glasgow as well, they play as part of the band, The Red Hot Chili Pipers. You ever heard of them?

Oh, yeah, yeah. They do covers, like pop songs and stuff. Yeah, pop rock covers and stuff like that. But they were telling us some funny stories about how, sometimes they've had people buy tickets thinking it's the Red Hot Jelly Peppers. Oh, of course. And then they turn up into a bunch of guys in Kelks doing covers of rock songs.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, dude. They're some of the best Piper's around, man. They've all, like, they've won awards and shit at the bagpipe awards, I don't know, you know, but these guys are the real deal. One of the guys is the guy in the music video

and another guy who recorded them in the studio. Is Andy in that four? Dude, if you guys do a song with Piper Alley, that would be sick, dude. That would be sick. Do it some kind of, like, collab? you're speaking my language like that's like that way but ali yeah yeah

dude that'll be sick dude because my first thought was like oh they should do this live but then I found the clip of uh of uh awi oh it's okay perfect it sounds sick because I was uh I first thought about

do you remember when uh issues came out from corn they did like a I think it was a day of or something like they they played the whole record live but that first track I believe it's called Dead

like it's like a backpipe intro and and and it did it a lot they had a whole like kind of I don't watch it in years but I was like man they like do please from a thing should do something like this but they have like a big like a few backpipe players dude

and it's just like this big fucking uh it's on it's on YouTube for sure but uh I'm sure we've we've probably got a clip of um bleed from a net download that's when we We marched out. We had two guys. It's on YouTube.

We had two pipers and snare drummers come out for that. That was like a... I don't know if this is anything like the moment you're talking about, I think. Towards the end. It'll be towards the end, I think. After that, after that, probably. The internet is crazy. Well, you just talk about a show.

There's a lot. Oh, shit. Yeah. This is what I'm talking about, dude. This is what I'm talking about. We've got two backpoint players and two snarrowers. Big fucking. Scotland flag as well. Look at that.

I think one of the snare players is world champion or was at one point? We may have lost a battle. A pinky, but we will win the war. Exactly. The war of riffs. Yeah, that was insane. That was last year download man. Fucking a dream to play on that stage.

Damn, that's sick, dude. You know, I was thinking about that. They should have a like some... Maybe you already did it. It's sick. One step ahead. Yeah, and they have kilts on, which is very important. Oh, that's important. Yeah.

We had a guy, so obviously when Allie came out and that was day one of this tour in Worcester, she was all kilted up and stuff. That was great. And then we had a guy, I can't remember his name now. I want to say Matt. It was Matt, yeah. Yeah. He came out to Toronto as well.

And he's friends with the guys that we know from Scotland. And he's an incredible piper. And he came out and done some live pipes in Toronto. And the first thing I say is like, hey, dude, do you have a black kelp? this is very important. Yeah. There's John Davis. We need to get John Davis

at some point, man. Oh, but that's the actual collab. If we get Johnny D on this one, that would be. Dude, that's a great idea too. I don't know.

If you've got any hookups, man, let's go, you know? Okay, so we got to get an iron brew sponsor. We've got to get

Piper Ali do a clap and we get John Davis to also do. I mean, we spoke with with Ali. She'd love to do something again. That one's great. You know,

we're in touch. never met Jonathan Davis let's let's reach out to him Johnny that would be sick I'm gonna do who would ask him to do

a backpipe feature that would be incredible no one he hasn't done it that would be sick okay come on corn come on

made a note of that send you an email you never do you never know unless you guys shoot your shot yeah dude sometimes you have these crazy ideas

that'll never happen. Then you send the email or you get their contact and it's like, oh, the conversation is starting. Did you ever have any moments like that with this? Oh, yeah. I mean, I mean,

it's like, we're just crazy. Let's have John on a track. And he sent the email. Did that work? Did you have a track? Yeah. On the black crown.

Oh, shit. Yeah, he did a track. He turned on his vocals. He turned in his vocals literally the day of the record was due. Fucking hell. That's amazing, man. We got let on for a long time.

And I was like, it's not going to happen. And then he literally, it's like, we need a record today. And then the email pops up with his fucking tracks. And it was a dumb, it was a crazy idea. That's cool as fuck. So we'll get you to see us with John and Dave. You start the email.

Yes. I think that's a sick idea. That's such a great album as well, man, Black Crown. That was the one after, no time to die. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. Crazy idea.

You never know which one's going to stick, dude. You never know where an idea's going to go, you know. Well, we had the idea here. We'll give you a share of the royalties, mate. 5%. It's just flat rate. Garz's rate is 5% for everything. Okay, if we get this, I want 5% of that too.

We'll send you a case a year, right? If we get a... Oh, yeah. Just, yeah, we'll make sure you've got a good supply. I mean, that should really be. Iron brew should be, you know, making sure your guests are hydrated, you know. Dumb question. Do they have alcoholic versions of these or no?

No, no. Okay, so it's just soft drink. do use it as a mixer but I would never do that because it's like a hangover cure yeah is it I would never mix it with stuff yeah I used to I used to drink it with vodka on it when I was very young and then when you wake up in the morning with a hangover you also want to drink once that's it's a really popular hangover drink you know because it's quite sugary and stuff it gives you that a little boost yeah but when you drink it the night before the last thing you want to do when you wake up is drink more of it so I very quickly stopped that I grew up you know I am brew margarita oh we all we all grow up like you know I'm done with

Ironbrun Mark? Well, now you guys have something to try when you can get home. But the iron brew hot sauce. We're actually making some of that. See, that's a suicide silence. We've been in the collab. You got like the Mexican people meet the Scottish people. Margarita meets Iron Brew.

Iron brew. Hey, I'm going to put that seven? Dude, can I, can I put that seven? Real quick, I've been like, I've been eyeing it, dude. Just been iron it up. Real quick. You're going to have to take this guitar back before people get us. really confused.

Dude, I'm just, I'm just curious. That's so weird. But it's heavy though. Yeah. That's interesting. It does make you play way different. Yeah. And then you do that weird barcord.

Yeah, it's like a vertic barcode. Right? Yeah. It means you can let the low note ring at the same time. that's dope dude i found writing in different tunings just makes you play stuff you'd never usually play fucking cool dude what's the what's the snare pattern of of the backpike breakdown what's the i've not got it's da ding do diga digg digin diga diga diga d'n down bum b'em like bend's winding up Diggit doga, d'a, d'dao, d'a, it's...

Degu-degu-d-d-d-d-a-d-d-d-a-d-d-d-a. Sounds so good in those speakers, one. Okay. Yeah, that's going to take me a while, we learned. Yeah, it's like the triplet kind of thing. I don't get that Scottish blood, dude. I'm sorry. You've not finished your eye on brew.

Yeah, that's all it is. No, once I finish this, I think I'm in the band. That's cool. Yeah, I didn't realize that, uh, that pattern, yeah, it's just, it's very it's very you guys only you guys could write that pattern yes it's very based on the Scottish marching thing yeah

it was a new year parade in Stonehaven the north of Scotland that's where it first came about you're like oh shit oh and you bend on the head stop behind the nut yeah I thought you were kidding I'm like are you telling me to bend on the first fret

oh yeah Yeah, our song, Levitate has the same thing in the breakdown. Can't remember it now. What is it? You play again? Yeah, we do that quite a lot. Bend behind the nut. Is there a reason for that?

Oh shit. Well, just because you can't go any lower. No, true. Made you can do a gradual kind of bend. I don't know. Because you'll hear the note changing if you're doing it in the first row. Learn something new every day. I mean, I should know this as the guitarist.

I just remember it. And levitate it. And it makes more sense with the reverse headstock. It makes a lot more. I don't know if I could do that. Maybe. Reverse headstock on the fender? Maybe.

It's going to take a hard, like. Yeah. It's cool. I was like, how's he doing that? That's fucking awesome. Yeah. where we need to bend behind the nut but we're on the Floyd rose because there's like a lot of whammy bar stuff so I'm having to like lean on the bridge to get the bend behind the nut because

I can't get behind it because there's a locking nut oh yeah so I'm like leaning on the Floyd rows to get the bend which is difficult but still I'm working on it it's in God complex beautiful right I got a couple more questions for you and then I know you guys got to head out what do you guys see heavy music going what do you see I guess more specifically like the metal coursing going interesting question

I mean who knows I don't really know I think I've spoken a bit about this before but I think it's in a really good place and I can I think we can attribute that to bands like bring me um Spar Box sleep talking

bad omens I mentioned them specifically just because they've reached a level of, like, fame and popularity that is insane. You know what I mean? These bands are got some really fucking heavy parts, and they're almost, like, mainstream. Like, so many people know about them, do you know what I mean? Obviously, not mainstream is the wrong word to use, but they've bought so many people into our world, I think, Sleep token specifically, do you know what I mean? Like, they're like the gateway drug into alternative culture.

Oh, sure. And they're bringing a load of people in. And I just think that's ultimately I started to think about this all the time when bring me done that co-lab with Ed Sheeran. Have you remember that? It was like, when was that two years ago? It was when they played Redden.

I can't remember. See, that's just an insane co-lab. Do you know what I mean? And I'm like, people gave them a lot of shit for that online and I'm like, I think that's cool as hell. That's bridging a gap there. That brings more people into our world

and they discover more heavy bands. And I think it's a really, really good. time to be in heavy music. I genuinely do. And I think a lot of the kind of walls have been knocked down in terms of what you can do. I know that we've reached a point where creatively we're trying new stuff. We're chucking bagpipes into our songs, you know? So maybe that's just an age thing.

You know, maybe as you get older, I don't want to say care less. But you know what I mean? You just maybe you pursue your own. I think you can still be like extremely heavy today as well. And like look at Lorna Shore, for example. That's so extreme. but like how popular they are insane. The venues they're playing these days

or... Yeah, that kind of, that that level of extreme in the size of rooms that they're doing is incredible. Do you know what I mean? So I think this is just it's a good type of being heavy music and I think if people are fucking moaning about it

that says more about them than it does the scene. Of course. Do you know what I mean? So respect to all those bands that are doing well, respect to everyone that's just fucking grafting and grinding it out. We're all in the same boat. We're all writing music with our mates and shooting for the same goal. Gotta respect the grind, dude. Gotta respect the grind, eh?

Yeah, I think it's a good time to be in heavy music, for sure. And I don't know what the future of it looks like, but I think if it continues to grow like it is, then, you know. Just fuck AI. Yeah. Fuck AI generated music, you know, that's all I'll say. I wonder where that's going. Who knows? Hopefully nowhere.

But, yeah. Hopefully nowhere. what it's done, you know. Well, you're always going to have live shows, though. Oh, that's exactly. I'd like to see AI drink 10 beers and fuck up a drum pill,

that's what I say. Well, I found something that AI can't do is that, and that's drink a fucking beer. Yeah. Can he drink the brew? Yeah, you can't. Only human could do that. Yep. All right, final question from me,

and it's a two-part of a sense there's two of you. what are this is always the closing question what are three records people should check out it could be any

genre era year it does not matter ollie so it can be any oh god fucking questions that's so difficult this is like

when somebody gives you the ox cable at a party and you forget every single music every bit of music you've ever fucking heard do I mean

true well I'm going to steal this one from Gunzi because I'm sure he would have said the same thing. This is probably a double answer, but I think as the palace is burn, is so iconic as we were talking about at the very start of this episode. It was a defining album for me. I think you could probably, as the palaces, all ashes of the wake,

but as the palaces, for me, just holds a very special place in my heart. And I think that's something that really defines a period of time and a style and a sound that, you know, will just never be replicated. You know, I don't think you'll ever hear anything like that ever again. Genuinely. So that's probably... Are we doing three each?

Shall I do three in Goody? Yes, please. Please. Right, okay. So that would be my one. Honestly, whenever somebody asks me about this, I can never shake... Carnival, you know this band?

Yes. Their album Soundawake from 2010. Is one of the... Greatest, it says 2009 there, I heard it in 2010. Sound awake is one of the greatest albums ever made. Okay. Nice. I will die on that hill.

Okay. Start to finish. I don't think I've listened to an album more than that one. Just incredible musicianship. People at the top of their game. Shout out Steve Judd, I believe is the drummer's name. Just so creative. An incredible group of guys as well.

We met them at Download last year. and apparently they know who we are and they're in the bleed from within as well which is very, very cool. So as a Palace of Burn to Sound Wake and... I got to turn that record then. Oh, did you don't...

You haven't listened to that? Nope, never. It's a journey. It is a journey. I like journeys. Incredible. And then what would my... What would my third album be?

What are you listening to right now? Like something new? Something new? Can I check my Spotify real quick? Of course. I was thinking we're doing the same. This is... is really going to help.

It's like, what am I listen to you right now? I forgot. Honestly, I listen to a lot of Bleachman and the silos just try to remember old songs that were putting in set. So that's... Whenever I get my wrapped thing at the end of the year, it's like, your favorite artist or the bands you play in.

And I'm like, that's not really true. It's true. I listen to the new Carnival album quite a lot, funnily enough. Dude, give us something hot, dude. That's what I'm trying to think. We need like a hot heat, dude. Honestly, the fucking, there's a few,

that new Lifecycles EP, I haven't stopped playing. Maybe I just have to give it to them. Do it. That's great. I think more people have to listen to them. The latest Life Cycles EP, there's a song on it called Hell Beneath. If I just, let me just get the name of it. No one escapes death.

Hell Beneath First track It features Josh from Silas on there Can we play the first song from that just really quickly So I can Listen to this first riff

And it is the It's all the embodiment of Pantera They channel that southern drawl into just like It's got a bit A different Kind of drumbeat

But the one it does It's pure Pantera Just listen to this fucking opening riff Oh it sounds sick It's heavy Oh nice So yeah, I'll give that slot to them.

That's genuinely in my gym playlist. I'm spinning it constantly at the moment and they're great guys. They're a relatively new band. If you haven't heard of, if you haven't heard life cycles in your life, you like riffs, just go and fucking spin that out. You will not be disappointed.

There's my three. Great. Gonsie. Over to you. Pressure's on, man. Get on Spotify. I was going to say palisies but I'll say something different just because you start.

Alive or just breathing by a kill-switching and gauge fan. Oh, beautiful. Like when I was first listening to heavy music, that's one of the first albums I heard. My last Serenade was on all the music video channels at the time, and I just fell in love that album, man. Like, I didn't know you were allowed to have heavy riffs

and melodic vocals in the same song. That was like so new to me when I heard that album. So yeah. Beautiful. They'll always be one of my favorite bands and still inspire me this day. But yeah. Nice.

If you've never listened that album, listen to that album. I'll always be a Jesse guy because of this album. Like everyone's, oh no, I'm a Howard guy, but... They both had different, different seasonings. Yeah, Howard's unreal as well, but... Yeah, Killswitch has a weird fan base. I didn't know until Adam was here. We made like a clip from talking about Howard and Jesse,

and people were saying how, like, Howard's better. I'm like, I didn't know there was a thing. People are arguing about it all the time, and they're both amazing in their own right. I'm like, why do you give a shit? You know what I mean? Just... Because I was like, oh, everyone wants to...

Everyone, everybody wants to original vocalist, but a kill splice is a very unique I didn't know if I saw oh shit people were fighting for Howard I didn't know but Jesse's sick dude that's the first one second one

I look for like a modern classic Alien by North Lane okay I think that's an album that deserves way more attention than it gets I just think it's so unique with a band they're doing and that album sort of epitomizes that but what does that cover? I don't know

man, it's weird. What the fuck is that? It's like a big balloon or something. You're getting a balloon from that? It looks like our stage inflatable to be. What? Like a kid's party balloon? I didn't see that at all. It looked like an oil spilt to me, but yeah. You fucking balloon?

Kind of haunted balloons, did you have at your fucking birthday parties? I love the synth sounds in this album are like almost the same tone as the guitars and the way that they work together or just the grooves in that album are just unreal. I'll always love that album

What's number three? I mean close off this fucking podcast Something I'm listening to right now that just came out The new Bill Murray album Oh okay I've not listened to it properly yet But I love with that band they're doing man It's like mixing country with metalcore

And so like emo and yeah I keep seeing a name and I haven't Honestly I haven't sat down and gave it a good listen The album before this new one American Motorsports is like perfection So I'm just getting into the new one right now We actually went and seen them with a date off in Salt Lake a few days ago and went and seen the show. How was it?

Unbelievable, man. Such a good band. Such a good band. Just amazing players, all of them. Yeah, I keep seeing clips of the drummer going around as well. The guy's got fucking chops. I'll give him that. He's fucking chopped up.

Okay, okay. Well, now you guys pushed me. All right. I keep seeing his fucking name. Look at that album, government. Okay. All right, that's definitely not a balloon. No.

That's a wild boar. That's a wild boar on the samurai. And the samurai sword. With no band name, that's what's all about, dude. No logo does fucking... Yeah, we've not done that for the last few albums. I don't think you need it anymore. Everyone listens to it on streaming services.

The names right there under it, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that's where I'm at. Dude, like, the band name's already there. Like, why do you got to put it on the cover too? Yeah, I think the digital thing has kind of changed that for us. We had it on Fracture. You can see Shrine and Zenith

We've just started to sack it off Because we're like Give more focus to the art, I guess But there is something kind of hard About just having That was the name of that album as well I think You know

Maybe put the logo back on there You never know You never know If you've got a cool logo You can get away with it Yeah If your band name's not bleeding You can get away with it

Yeah It's like how do we not put on our fucking What is that on there? Put it away Is there anything that I might have missed about you guys or the band that you want to be people don't know

we're on tour in the US right now this might be out before sorry after the end of the tour so I guess we can shout that out this is we're currently on our North American headline tour this is the first thing we've ever headlined over here and our first tour of the US like I mentioned this earlier was in 2023

August Burns Red bought us out it was us stillow We're Spada, August Burns Red. That was the first one? It was in 2023. That's how long... Oh, shit. I don't know that. That's how long it took us to get over here.

We had a bunch of... Damn, I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. So, this is only our third year of touring over here. 2003. Wow.

Fourth year. Our fourth tour and we're headlining over here. And the turnouts have been mind-blown. It's really blowing us away. And I think Kennedy says it every night on stage, but... to be so far from home and to be this far into our career and stuff

and see this kind of support and just feel like we're getting started is genuinely like a dream come true and very humbling and heartwarming and everything. So to everyone that came out to a show in North America then, thank you so much. And a show anywhere, but in particular,

but this tour was a bit of a leap of faith coming out here. And yeah, just really grateful. It's awesome, man. I didn't know it was, it was 223. I didn't know that, dude. Holy crap I told you guys

a whole career to get over here It did It did And I think that in itself We always knew it was going to happen We had faith But the right tour

Never presented itself Sure It was too much of a financial burden With everything else That we'd been dealing with And we knew That August Burns Red tour Was just the perfect

Perfect to be cool To kind of launch our You know Entrance into this market and stuff So Massive shouts to them They are what we like to call All Talk All Mosh

You know what I mean They are men of their word. So they said they were going to do it. It's rare. All talk, all mosh. All talk, no mosh. It's somebody that talks a big game, it doesn't do anything. Oh yeah, it has all the time. It happens all the fucking time. But those guys stay true of their word, and they allowed us a perfect tour to come over here and just let everyone know that we exist, you know? Beautiful. All right. Seenith out now. Came out last year. Check it out. Bleak from Within. Thank you for a time. Thank you so much, Chris. Appreciate it. All right, everyone.

That's it. Love you guys.