Garza Podcast - 235 - BOUNDARIES: Metalcore Riffs, Guitar Rundown & Mix Controversy

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

Garza sits down in-person with Cory Emond & Cody DelVecchio. Guitar players from Connecticut metalcore band BOUNDARIES. New album “Yearning: The unbeautiful after” out July 17th! https://instagram.com/boundariesctGet your episodes early, guitar tone & more here: https://patreon.com/garzapodcast00:00 - Mix Controversy07:31 - Writing What You Want10:13 - Green Day Tattoo17:27 - Cory Designing His Guitar23:45 - Straight Edge Shenanigans26:25 - Cody’s Jackson Guitar30:36 - Pedals34:34 - Amps37:16 - Pitch Shift Riffs41:43 - Misery Signals46:52 - Wearing Glasses47:54 - Riff: Darkness Shared50:04 - Riff: Easily Erased50:54 - Alternate Tunings54:18 - Riff Writing Process55:49 - Siren Riffs1:02:28 - Riffs: Misery Signals1:04:07 - Riffs: A Day To Remember1:06:26 - Riffs: Garza Jams on Cody’s Jackson1:08:09 - Riff: I’d Rather Not Say1:12:52 - New Music & Lessons Learned1:16:56 - Bruins & Hockey1:18:03 - Taco Bell Obsession1:22:40 - 6 Albums to Check Out

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free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. AJ, are we horned up? Foundries in the house, very requested guests. I saw the band name in the comments, and now it's actually a reality. Cody, Corey, thank you for being here. Of course. What up.

Yeah, what up. And thank you for bringing the first guitar tone was Solano. Yeah. I was like, what is that? What is that tone? So, I mean, it's like a little different. We both have the Solano, like the. the bricktop Avenger capture.

I have my own custom overdrive I captured. It's a high wind dire wolf. It's like some boutique overdrive. Okay. During COVID, I just could not believe buying all the gear in the world. So I bought this overdrive.

And then I bought like 15 more after and they all were not as good. So I have 15? Maybe more. Like I don't know what I was doing. Were you in like an overdrive search for just to hit your soul? I was buying amps, everything. and like just I don't know

it's the best yeah Corey has like 10 amps and I don't use them I use this yeah I saw uh so you have to have some marshals stacked up okay yeah yep I got a JCP 800

I have a JCP I think the best amp in the world is the angle fireball I think he's crazy it's still a classic amp yeah dude yeah you had a fireball I don't ever even play

their one before but I keep hearing. Yeah, something about it. Like, I bought it and then after that I bought like a dual wreck and I was like, let me buy some boutique amps and like I was just using all of the COVID government money they gave me for not working and staying home. And I shouldn't have done that because I was so poor. But I don't know. That's like the first one I bought. Every other amp wasn't as good. So I just, I don't know. Just angle fireball. We used. use it on death as a little more, I think, right? Yeah, we do. 50-150, yeah.

The last record. Oh, that's a, that's a great combo. Yeah. Yeah. 50-152 angle fireball. Oh, dude. Yeah, blended. So sick.

Yeah, I was going to ask you for a new record, which is out July 20th. 17th. 17th, almost. You're so close. July 17th. I was going to ask you, man, what is that? Okay, first of all, can we just get into it? Okay, yearning the unbeautiful after out July 17.

Okay, what's up with the mix? I don't know, we love it. It's awesome. Okay, so, okay, so you guys love the mix. Yeah. Okay. So we put out Skies cast. Yeah.

And everyone was like, we hate this. And we're like, our label, management, booking agents, every friend and band, everyone we ask is like, this sounds sick. And we're like, cool. So like night before We were putting out the song And we were like This is going to go amazing tomorrow

Oh yeah yeah And then we woke up to like The world ending So I think I saw I think I saw someone say Oh this mix sounds like cheeks Yeah

I was like what does cheeks mean? Oh ass Yeah We basically made like a Reddit thread That was like We have two mixes We were picking between A and B What do you guys like more

They like B more So we you, this mix is replaced on this song. Okay, yes, I know you guys re-uploaded another mix. So what I was listening to Spotify, like, what am I listening to right now? It's just a re-upload, it's just the OG one. Now it's the new one.

Okay. But so this isn't talked about yet. And yesterday, I was like, should I even bring this up? But when they put out the next single, Death Will Follow me. Yeah. Samarian uploaded. the wrong mix. Oh no.

Yes. Yeah, we got smoked. So now it's not Double down, dude. That's a double down. It's not fixed yet. And we're like, we don't know what to do. Like, we can't say anything yet and be like, it will be fixed. So this might be

where people find out that they were listening to the wrong mix. Yeah, people are like, mix still sucks. Like, and we're just, oh, it's the wrong one. We're just sitting in the green room last night like what's going on or like we did everything

we could and it still got messed up see that that's see that's what's tough when you get outside perspective and outside opinion from like the people close to you because in the end like the people are going to react to it another way

you never really know you have no clue you don't yeah yeah they're like this is like the sickest thing ever and then it comes out and no one fucking cares I'm like, oh, I thought this was a sick record that all my friends told me. Yeah.

It's like, man, you wrote like this crazy record you guys gonna blow up. I'm like, really? And then like it flaps, you're like, okay. Yeah, thanks guys. Thanks, guys. Yeah, it's like, I don't know, we read all the comments and they were like,

song is great, mix is bad, and we're like, well, they still like the song so maybe we should listen. So we tried. So, yeah, they were like super nice about it. They weren't hateful about it. So we were like, all right, They're being nice.

Let's like show them the other mix and see what's up. Okay, so so you A-Bed it and people chose the one that you guys didn't go for it at first. Yeah. Yeah. If they were mean about it, we would have been like, nah, we're going with what we want. Yeah. But they're nice about it. Yeah.

Like great song. Yeah. The sounds like boundaries, but this, the mix is cheeks. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I love it. I like, I really love what we did.

Still love, still love the mix. Yeah. I kind of, I understood what, I understood what you guys were going for. I got, oh, this is, and like, it sounds great, but also this, you guys were also going for what, you guys were going for like a different mix. Yeah, it's like, the last records, like, I love Randy. I think our records sound amazing. I will continue to work with Randy probably for the rest of my music career, like, outside of this record. Just go back, do whatever writing, doesn't matter.

But people would always be like, this band is perfect to listen to in a basement. And this band is perfect to play our 300 cab venue. It's like, I love that. But like, can I please make a living? Like, can I please get, like, grow while still writing the music you guys want to hear? Sure. But I don't know. I think it'll all work out.

Yeah, it's fine. Yeah. Okay, so you, so for the second single, you, you, you, changed it. It's in the process of being changed out. I think it's already up. As we are here. As we're at, wow. I think they already changed it. Okay. So I think it's like still like all the services have to update or whatever. Oh yeah. Yeah. So that's what I've heard. So if you're a fan and you're listening and watching this, it's probably already changed. Probably. What's funny is this is. What a nightmare. This is my first time reading these comments. I turn off my phone now when we put out songs. Oh, good. Yeah. That's the way to do it. Yeah. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. That guy's really nice. all the time. Bogden? I respect that guy. I like that guy. I keep telling band members,

stop reading the comments, dude. You don't fucking know, dude. Stop it. No, we're good at not reading it anymore. Yeah. No. Because I think it could direct your songs in like a weird way or direct your future thinking and then the music

isn't pure. It's like a weird... Yeah, we just want to write what we want to write. I want to write music I want to listen to. and that's not going to happen if I read comments on what people want me to write because I'm going to write what I want to write I mean isn't that how Boundary has always been isn't that how Boundary started hey I want this

what I want to hear this is kind of why you start playing the guitar you're playing what you want to play and then Right I'm just writing bands or songs that sound like bands I grew up listening to like I still do that Like that doesn't change We're still ripping Prada Yeah

We're still ripping zombie EP. We're still ripping Ms. Sigs. We're still ripping the cleansing. Yeah. It doesn't end. Part of it's your fault, bro. It's all right. I'm honored.

Thank you for saying that and sharing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, one song, I just open up with a blast beat. I'm like, oh, moly. Bro. Yeah, that was me. Yeah, tell them the truth right now. That was me. That was like, dude, I want to write a song like, uh, what is it called?

unanswered bro yeah i want my own unanswered and that's what happened i want that's what came out of me oh hell yeah yeah thanks man all you because dude when we were on tour with you guys and you were coming out with just like dun dun dun dun dun dun i'm like dude i want one of those so bad that's so sick dude i want a second one yeah for real i'm just like how do i do it again i can't do it again i've been trying to rip off myself yeah and it's like man it's like that rip fucking piss me on and I can't like that simple rip won't come out anymore

it's like that stupid no brain this all heart like it's tough it's bro it's so hard to write simple now because like I feel like if I'm going like

like it doesn't sound cool to me anymore I need to put something crazy in it but like it's so hard to write a simple riff that's good it's easier to write like a shredy complicated riff

that's good because it sounds good because I'm doing doing a ton of stuff. Yeah. But, like, writing a simple riff that's just three chords is so much harder to me, I think. For it to sound good. Yeah, same.

I'm on the same boat. Yeah. So what you, uh, you started up playing guitar when you're four years old, correct? Yeah. Four. Yeah. My dad would play his, his acoustic guitar. Um, and I'd be like, I want to do that.

So he'd, like, put it on my lap. And I'd play it like this. Mm-hmm. And I'd just, like, do one of these. and I'd get so mad because my fingers weren't big enough to like make chords or anything like that. Yeah. And like he taught me like when I come around from Green Day and all that stuff. Like all like the stuff you learn like smoke on the water and everything.

The stuff you learn when you're just starting out. What was the first trip you learned? When you come around? Probably when I come around. Really? Probably. Do you still remember it? Yeah.

I got you. Green Day is my favorite band in the world, by the way. Yeah, you have Green Day tattoos. I do, yeah. Oh, my best. My goodness. If you're just listening, it's on this knuckles. It is.

Yeah. Your knuckles, dude. It says greet in day. It does. Oh, there you is, bro. That's my boy. I would put them. I would put corn twice.

Corn corn. I always struck around saying I'm going to put dirt bike on my knuckles because I think it's funny. No reason. Yeah, just dirt bike. Oh my God. I don't even ride dirt bikes.

It's one of those ideas. It's better just to keep it in my head. Yeah. Oh yeah. For sure. I probably should have done that too. This was my first idea for it tattoo. It wasn't my first tattoo,

but it was my first tattoo idea. And you actually did it. It's because I saw that Neil Westfall has blink 182 on his knuckles I don't think I ever told him this when we were on tour I don't think so I don't think I did but if he's listening yeah he has blink 182 on his knuckles

and I was like yo green day's the same amount of letters that's perfect perfect and we toured with a data member and I just totally forgot to tell him the entire tour so but I Neil but at least you uh but you told brander from count on parts say, hey, I have your lyrics tattooed on my chest. Yeah, I do.

I have tragedy. We'll find us. It's actually the album name. Is it? Yeah, my favorite counterparts record. Hmm. Do you on your freaking chest, dude? I should get life as peachy just like right.

It's right here. Yeah. Yeah. You really should. That'd be sick, dude. I also have another kind of parts tattoo. It's like the little striky guy, the little private room guy too. Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah, not one, but two. That's crazy you knew that actually. Yeah. That's like a not well-known fact. So I just, my secret is I just guess and then it. Yeah. That's my research secret.

Just guess and hopefully it hits. All right, so four years old and you're just jamming green day. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. And then my dad was always trying to get me into heavy music. Like he showed me Cannibal Corpse and like Slipknot. stuff like, you know, Iron Made It and Rush, where that's where, like, a lot of the Shreddy Prague stuff comes in. Yeah.

I just started going to hardcore shows when I was like 16. Still go to hardcore shows. And the band is based out of Connecticut, but you're from Mass. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. The first time I saw Boundaries was at Warp Tour 2017 in the mud, in the rain, in the local stage. Yeah.

and I ruined a brand new pair of skate highs moshing to them because it was in the mud. Wait, you were moshing to boundaries? Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, he was a fan. I was a fan before I joined, yeah. Wow, you were moshing to the band you eventually joined. Yeah.

Tour and travel the world with. Yeah, it's crazy. I know. That is pretty wild. Yeah, it's pretty nuts. Man, I wish I could mosh the suicide silence and then join. Right. I'll be sick.

I got you, bro. I'm your dedicated maasher. I got you. Thank you, man. What's up, everybody? Real quick, this episode is brought to you by patreon.com slash Garza podcast. Get ad free episodes early and the tar tone you hear on the podcast. Thank you so much for the support.

How did you start playing? So I played baseball for Madlong and I like broke my knee playing and I was like, you broke your knee? Yeah, I like hit it, got a ball to the knee cap and like shattered it. Like, I was like this for like a month, but I was like, I need to do something with my time. I was like a sophomore in high school or something. Sophomore year, dude. So like I was.

Terrible. I was pretty late into learning guitar. And I was like, I just traded a skateboard for a guitar. Good trade. Yeah. I was like, let me start learning. And I just went for it. And then wasn't like the one of the first guitars you wanted was a Jackson, a James

Antoine, too. Yeah, it was like some dinky Jackson. It, like, it just looked like this, like one to one. And you were 14, right? Yeah, yeah. And then it got stolen. It got stolen. Yes.

So, have you ever played The Chance in Piccy? So I was playing upstairs at the loft. And I left my guitar on stage during changeover by accident. My band was the second to last band of the night, just some local show. and I went outside. They're playing. It's on stage. I was like, I'll grab it after the set.

I go back upstairs. It's gone. And I ask everyone, no one knows where it is. So I'm like, I guess I just go home. I'm like, I'm 16. Like, I'm not going to press anybody. Like, I'm really fat with swoopy hair. No one's going to be intimidated by me.

Yeah. But yeah, I had my dad call them and ask. if they had the guitar and they're like oh we think we do we have the case for it in our gear room and he worked like kind of near Poughkeepsie so he drove over and went to go check and it was just the case there was no guitar in it

so it just got stolen oh they jacked it from the case yeah wow I thought they took the whole thing no I had the case still but yeah fast forward 15 years and I get to just play Jackson and endorsed by them

and they're just so good to us and can't full a circle yeah it really did one moment one stolen and the next you get a few of them yeah I love it

was it uh was it uh was it a jm or a js 22 j s 22 dinky dinky oh it's dinkies dude I've always wanted dinky

they just make you shrag yeah it was one of those white ones with like a maple fretboard It was sick And that this guitar you have here So this came to you in a dream Yeah, I like I had a dream that I was working at Home Depot

I've never worked at Home Depot We can make this dream of reality If you've got a bad a record Right, yeah, for real If people hate the mix that much I'm gonna be working at Home Depot Give it a couple months bro But I was working at Home Depot

And they had a guitar section And I was... Oh, that would be sick and they did I was just walking around I was like, dang, they haven't a silver Sparkle Explorer with like a crazy shaped pick guard and I was like I'm gonna buy with my Home Depot discount so I did in my dream and then I woke up and I didn't have the guitar and I was just like

on Google like looking for the guitar and I was like I can't find it anyway like it does it's not like an actual thing so I just hit up my Jackson rep Mike and I was like hey I'm just like looking for any explorer shape like Jackson Kelly guitar any color that has a binding because the binding was in my dream I'll take care of the rest and then he shipped it to me I hit up a bunch of people to paint it for me and they're like it'll be $800 or it'll take like two months and like the people that were going to paint it like I love and trust and they're great at what they do like they did these ones that we could get into but I just didn't have the time because I wanted it for the videos.

So I just went on YouTube and I learned how to do it myself. Oh, wow. And then I bought like a big pickguard square and like I cut and route this shape out. I took the pickups out. I put in bare knuckle Ragnar rocks in these. I upgraded the Floyd to the pro series. Like I swapped out like locking tuners, hip shot. This was like a $700 guitar that I put like $800 worth of stuff into.

So you made that pickguard. Yeah. Me and my dad just cut it out and he would take out his big router and he'd like set it up. He's like, go for it. And I'm like, cool. Bro, Corey's dad can make anything. Cori's dad, like, I think he could just build a car out of like a chair. Like... Yeah, no. Yeah. Anytime I'm like, hey, I have this idea. And he's like, don't buy it. We'll just make it. I'm like, sick. Like, I have a guitar boat that me and him built together. It was like a big organ case that shipped It was huge and we like turned it on its side Put the wheels on the bottom cut it shorter Just made it a guitar vault That's how you do it

Yeah we do everything as like We're like growing as a band But we still try to do everything like in-house as DIY as possible Like I'm like I program all our own light shows and stuff Like I try we try to do everything we can ourselves As you should So you found a video on YouTube that taught you how to paint guitars. Yeah.

But what you do for the final finish? Because you get you to paint it. And you got to put some kind of gloss over it or some kind of... Yeah, I glossed it. And then I bought McGuire's car wax. And I, like, waxed it like it was a car. And it just works. It works.

Yeah. Okay, so there is something to the gloss. Yeah. So it's a... So you paint it. Get a protective gloss and then car wax. Yeah, I did like a silver metallic paint And then I bought like sparkle paint

Like it's just sparkles and I sprayed so many sparkles on it And then I used two whole cans of gloss And then I just waxed it And I didn't do enough Like I wish I could do more but I didn't have the time Damn straight up cut I thought like that's how you got it No it was black with gold hardware when it showed up No pick guard

Oh really? Yeah Dang, dude. It came out so sick. Yeah, I love this thing. I love how it's like kind of satin. Yeah, it's that one right there. That's how it looked. Holy crap, dude.

Okay, see, now we got to paint our own guitars. That's it. Yeah, just go for it. Yeah, put in your own hardware, put on your own pickard. Yeah, YouTube does everything. It does. I'm always like, what did I used to do? Yeah, right?

Right. I was like, what I used to do before YouTube. Every question I have or anything I didn't want to learn, I was go to YouTube. Okay. How do I edit videos? Okay. Like, man, what, what did I do before? Yeah.

Dude, it's crazy. We're chronically on YouTube. We always talk about, like, can't eat dinner without YouTube. YouTube in bed? YouTube in bed. Yeah. When I go to bed in the bus, I'm like, I got to go to YouTube and bunk. Yeah, YouTube and bunk.

YouTube everywhere. It's the world. We're on YouTube right now. Yeah, this is going to be on Shout out YouTube, bro. I always tell people, it's a trip Do you have access to post for free On the biggest platform on the planet

Yeah, yeah It's literally the biggest platform on the planet And insane And people are gonna watch it With this one or a thousand or 100 or million or million who knows Yeah Like we all, we all, everyone has access to this Whether you're kidding, you're a basement

Or you're a big band, we all have We have like a level playing field now Yeah If I'm going on bed I'll go on YouTube and I watch uh you ever heard of Chelle Sunnan no I haven't he's uh he's a former UFC fighter but but he's he's parlayed that into like he's he's more into like just like the press so he he kind of not inventive but he was the first guy you have C to start like the shit talk and that which is awesome yeah and that and that would eventually like become like

Connor McGregor does it and then now it's like a normal thing but he was like the first guy in UFC is like they're talking shit to everybody like trash talks but now that He retired now he's doing this stuff. Yeah. You know, you have like your, like your YouTube going to bed kind of people. Yeah. So, so he'll show us on his mind. I was cool because he posts like, I don't know, like, part of time today.

That's crazy. So no matter like when I check it, there's something new. Yeah. Dude, that's crazy. I respect it. Well, he's, he's sober. So it makes sense. When you're sober, you just want to do more shit.

Yeah. I mean, I mean, you guys have been sober your whole lives, right? Yeah. Yeah, we're all straight edge. Whole band straight edge. Yeah. Yeah. So, and we like to be funny and people tell us we're crazy because we're this crazy while not being drunk or on drugs.

Yeah, we'll be like too silly or like at times destructive in places and they're like, how are you guys sober? Like you guys act nuts and we're like, we're just funny, bro. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm doing like a fake job. Like my job is to go play the guitar to people. and I just like to remain silly and act like I'm not working like a nine to five desk job.

Yeah. If I want to throw an orange at the wall as hard as I can, I'm going to throw an orange at the wall as hard as I can. Actually, in Europe, it was during their set. Yeah, during your set. Me, Cody, and Caleb from Invent Anime

went into like this dark hallway and we were throwing oranges at the wall as hard as we could for fun because we're weird. Yeah. And then we started hearing footsteps. So we were like, we ran away and we had more oranges. So we walked out to you guys playing and we're like, let's just throw them into the crowd.

And we just tossed a couple oranges into your pit. And then when we were loading out, there was just only orange peels in the crowd. At a boy. So, yeah, kind of selling ourselves out with that one, but it's pretty funny. Yeah, well, you got to occupy your time somehow. We like to get silly. Now it's Reels. We love watching Reels now.

That's our new thing. Instagram Reels? Man, can't get enough. You can't keep up with them. I'm always like, what's, what am I missing? And there's always something. Yeah. That's how they get you.

What's the one going on right now? What's popping now? The, like, rainbow background. Like, it'll just say something stupid. It's just like the rainbow background. Facebook post. I can't explain it, but like, you made one yesterday. I did. I did make one yesterday. It was on my story. It said touring is just reels and complaining. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, that, that's what's getting me now currently. I saw you post something on a story. That was it, huh? Yeah. Okay. New boundaries mix is awesome. Yeah. And then maybe put it on reels, change people's minds. Yeah.

Yeah, people watch reels, you know. Yeah. Well, since we're getting back to the subject of guitars, Cody, what, so we have a Jackson here. What, can we get a rundown? So this is the Lee Malia signature that Jackson put out like last year, I think. Last time we played L.A., our artist,

Mike Tempesta came out and was like, so you guys like offsets? And we were like, yeah. And he was like, well, I got an offset coming out. I'll let you know in a couple weeks. And then he emailed us and was like, you still want those? And we were like, yeah.

And they just showed up at both of our houses. Stock, like the black and everything. And I love like, obviously I love Green Day. And he plays that blue guitar. Yeah. I've always loved just like guitars that look old um

like old strats and jazz masters and you know stuff like that um and I was like yo I want this guitar to be C foam green um and it is I hit up my buddy

um Alex from Instagram Alex Hemand Alex Hemand sorry if I mispronounce your name but he's in Rhode island and he painted my guitar and corey's guitar and they handed it over to his buddy jfs resturations or jeff and he shielded like it's like gold foil shielding underneath here for for less noise he like replaced the pots so they're like i don't know about pots but like they're really good

um replaced like the jack and everything this is a seymournuckin jb that um i had to have put in after I did a guitar spin during sound check. Tuck from Fit for a King was trying to show me how to do like the double guitar spin. Um, and I did it. And this guitar like launched like up and over my head and went, oh no.

So you can see this right here is from that. And so is this. And, uh, our boy Alex actually played into it when he painted the guitar. so that it just looks natural. And so that's why I had to replace the pickup because when that happened, the bridge pickup, like, fully popped out

and tools, Fit for King's guitar tech. I already had this pickup. He put it in and finished it 15 minutes before our set that night, and I played the set with that guitar. With this guitar. Now you almost take dinner. Yeah, for real. For real.

And I got this Patrick sticker that my wife drew, this is on all my guitars yeah Sting's sick I'm gonna replace the tuners at some point because they're just the stock ones but yeah it's thing's sick

He has basically a clone of this guitar Yeah mine's in pink His is pink yeah Nice This guitar was also played on a lot of Our new songs too Almost half the record I think I don't know

Something like that This one? This one yeah And this one track And his too And yours right? Yeah yeah Yeah. Because you put like, what, fishmen's in it?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. They were the only pickup that didn't have noise at the studio. Yeah. Because we're in the middle of Burbank, and it's noisy there, apparently. Very noisy. Hmm. Yeah.

So the fishmen's had this low, just low noise. Yeah, everything else had like a crazy buzz, and we were like, what's happening? So we used fishmen. Yeah. Worked out. Did you use a Seymour Duncan's on the record? Yeah, this, I think I played Skies cast on this guitar. I did another song called May This Pain, Never Leave.

Did you do Only Endless on that? I also did Only Endless. That song's not out yet. There's a clean part that I use this P90. Bro, this thing is awesome. Dude, can we hit the clean tone and the P90? Yeah, let me try. A good clean tone gets me horned up.

Just just real quick Oh that's not a clean tone Oh Yeah It's really sick This is the stock P90 too Like dude when I make like a full custom Like this pickup is gonna be in the neck

For sure That sounds beautiful It's awesome I love it That sounded like a shimmer Yeah I have that shimmer reverb on there too That's my favorite reverb shimmer Yeah

It's on my stuff too It's all Yeah dude it's so sick It has like this, I don't know, like this dimension to it. Yeah, it makes it like really sad. Yeah. Like, well, I'm sad, so I'll let's make my, my shimmer sad. Yeah.

Sad, sad shimmer. Yeah. Can we, can we hear like an actual, like, chuggy? Yeah, let's hear it. That's the Saldano. That's like our main tone. See, yours. Yeah.

Same thing. Just a little different overdrive. I think I forgot to mention my overdrive is the August Burns Red overdrive. We actually played their Christmas show this past year. Is it the talent one? Yeah, yeah. And they gave us both one. And I was like, dude, this thing's crazy.

So I profiled it and that's just what I use. And we're on tour with them right now. So it works out. Oh, sick. Yeah, they gave us the gold one right there. Oh, I didn't even know they made other colors. Thing is awesome. That's sick.

It's really good. Okay, so it's a, it's overdrive. Yeah. Okay. I love Talon. I DM them. I was like, please, can we make a pedal together? Hell yeah, dude.

They didn't say no, but maybe one day. Yeah, shout out to you as Sean. Mm-hmm. I know, you know something's good is when, uh, you just naturally use it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I, uh, everyone's using the, uh, alpha, of pedal. Yeah, it's on my, it's like, no one told me to do it.

I'm like, I like this, so it's going literally on my fucking board. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. But I never heard the August Prince Red Overdrive. What's it like? It's like if you, to me, it's like if you took a, you know, like a max on 808, like the red 808 and like took away the thing it does to where it like takes away the low end a little bit. Oh yeah.

I hate that. And then there's like another knob on it that like. that bite knob it adds like a pick attack almost which is what I love and I always keep it on like the tight switch so like let me just like turn it off

this is literally my tone without it oh wow yeah it's doing a lot of work that's a big difference yeah our overdrives do so much work you don't turn off mine that's a big difference

yeah it's crazy yeah it's like Yeah, it's like we're almost using the Slizanos as like a low cane amp. Straight up. Yeah. I hear that's what you're, that's how you're supposed to use overdrive. Yeah. I don't do that.

Yeah, I think a bunch of people are doing it this way. So I guess we're not like special for that, but it's awesome. I just kind of did it because that's what sounded good to me, I think. Yeah. Yeah, because I was listening to your, uh, like the new songs and the record before that. I'm like, what did they? I can't put my finger on it. Like, what is, what are they using?

It was like, it was like a, it's pretty rare where like I'm like, I have no idea what their gear is at all. Yeah. I have no idea what they're using. We always record with real amps. Like, we use the, the new record is the Bogner Uber Ultra. It's like, I guess I think it's newer. It's just like the Bogner Uber Shawl, just like on crack.

It's crazy. Dude, it's so sick. The whole new record is that amp, just that amp. Yeah. I think, unless Jeff Dunn reamped it. But I'm pretty sure it's that amp. It sounds crazy. Yeah, the Uber Ultra right there.

Oh, yeah. Do Bogg is a great amp. I love it. The Bogner Uber Shal, just the normal one, has been on every full length we've done too. Yeah, really? Somewhere blended in, yeah.

It's always there. We've used it on every single amp or every record we've ever done. And with probably some type of overdrive. Yeah, and 5150. It's always been blended with some type of 5150. Okay. So it's never one head.

This is the main tone. It's like, okay, we're going to get two, blend them, try to find your own sound. Yeah. For past records, the new one, uh, yearning the Mbeautiful after is just the Bogner. Okay.

Yeah. We just loved how it sounded. Yeah. It was like the easiest time we've ever had getting tones. We plugged it in. We were like, all right. It's done.

Sick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you find it. Yeah. That's, that's what I do when I plug into a 50.

a 5152. It's like, oh, it's not mean... Yeah. I mean, that's what I want. Yeah. It's... Bro, those amps are so easy. Right. Just plug it in and play. I bought mine from a Craigslist, this random person in Hollywood, and it doesn't sound like any other... 5152. Like, so much you find, like, an amp, you're like, oh, shit. I got... I got lucky. Yeah.

So, yeah, it's in my garage. I'm never going to get rid of this amp. There's, like, there's something to it. 51.52, best amp of all time. I firmly believe in that. Yeah, I think so too. You don't even have to put a drive in front of it. It's just like, it's already like, dang. No, we were using one forever on the quads until we found the Solano.

Yeah. But like for so long, I was using a 51, 52 capture that Randy, our buddy Randy LeBuff made, and I was just using it because it was awesome. Yeah Shout out Shout out to Randy

Dude I love Randy He made Where is it He made this The pickle patch The swollen pickle patch Like our fuzz Which

Oh yeah I'll go back and forth What are some rich That use that Uh The new Let me go to drop B Yeah

If you want to do it too Oh Oh we're going to drop B even know what patch I use Yeah So we do this thing a lot Where we do We blend octave down

It's like 50-50 octave down Normal octave with the pickle It's like really Randy And like graphic nature All those people coined it But it's like the pickle fork For the pitch fork too But

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Something like that. Dude, Orthodox uses that a lot too. Like, Austin loves that, and it's awesome. I'm trying not to, like, overdue because I'm, like, everything's heavy. Yeah. Yeah. I'm fucking killing it, dude. We have a whole song on the new record.

That's just that. Yeah, the whole song is that. Yeah. I'm trying to sit. You know what, dude. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'm just overthinking it. This shit, it's a whole song.

Yeah. It was kind of an accident. It's a big. Bitter Ash, bitter love. That whole song is just that. Isn't, like, evidence also almost whole song, just that?

Yeah. And you guys don't like intros, I've noticed. Yeah, we just go into it. I want to ask them, you guys not like intros? It's just like, oh, songs. Honestly, the new record has a lot more intros because Drew Folk, you know, Grammy-nominated producer was like,

I'm just going to make an intro out of, like, the riff or, you know, something like that. So he would just like make an intro and we're like so ADHD like we're just riff salad

part part part part part part part so we don't even really experiment with intros. I've never been like yo what's what's gonna be the intro? Yeah we just write the breakdown we're like all right cool we got it. Yeah

that's my goat yeah that is my goat well yeah then I'm curious how the intro sound. I guess I guess it's your sound. Yeah.

Just, yeah, ADHD rift salad. It's unmedicated ADHD music. I've like, dude, I've always wanted to make a shirt that just says boundaries break down salad. Yeah. Rift salad. Because like, that's what it is, honestly. Just like we hear misery signals and counterparts and a mirror and a day to remember and, you know, suicide silence. And we're like, all right, let's just do all that.

Yeah, we need everything. Any band we like... Any band we like is making its way onto this record. Yeah, let's not play the same part for too long, because then I get bored and I have to play a cooler riff. Yeah.

Misery Signals is a name I've been seeing pop up the past year. I was going to ask you guys, what's the most underrated metalcore band ever? Dude, misery signals. Probably misery signals, honestly. They, bro, they like started

what we love. Yeah. Basically. Of Malice and the Magnum Heart is, I think, the best metalcore record of all time. Really? Yeah. Like, that record is, like, responsible for so much of what has become of our music. Yeah.

Same with, like, Poison the Well opposite of December for me. The Bled, past the flask. Like, that. On broken wings? Yep. Yeah, on broken wings. But, like. But, like.

But, uh, you guys would say. that the misery signal is just the most top one. Yeah. Yeah. For at least the like, you know, the shreddy, nerdy stuff, misery signals for sure. Yeah, I just keep seeing like the banding pop up. I'm like, damn, I've seen, I'm seeing shirts and. Yeah.

What are the, okay, so what was that one record called again? I'm sorry. Of malice and the Magnum Heart. When did this come out? 2004. Ooh, I was, I was four. You were four years old. You're the youngest guy in a band.

right? Yeah, I'm 26. 26, okay. Is core to see them have such an impact still? Yeah. Yeah. Like every record that we write, I'm just, I have to include something from this record

that, like, is similar. Dude, the last song on our new record, when I first wrote it, I was like, all right, this might be a little bit too misery signals. Like, this might be too much. But it made it onto the record, the title track. We'll see.

What's the main Like what's the hit on that record? What's like the song? Probably the year summer it ended in June Yeah that's like their biggest song Yeah it's like they got in like a really bad van accident And like two of the members died And it's just the song

I forget about that It's a song written about that Like oh my goodness Like I always loved this band And then I forget I watched their they put out a DVD On their like 10 year tour They got back and like

Jesse the original singer came back. They did a DVD around the tour. Yesterday it was everything. Yeah, and they just kind of like went through all of that and like what all the songs are about. And like it just, it hit me so hard watching it that I love the record already. And it just made me, I, I just got so attached to the record after I watched this DVD. The most inspiring band of all time.

I showed my mom this DVD. Yeah, I was like, even if you don't like metal core or something, like, You gotta watch this. You gotta see the story. Yeah, like, you'll feel something if you watch that, I promise. I mean, you also can't talk about this without mentioning Seven Angel, Seven Plagues, too, which is the band before Miz Sig's, which also was doing a similar thing that we pull inspiration from. A couple of memories from that band went into misery, right?

Yeah. Which ones? I forget. Him right there. Yeah. Their bassist, they're guitarist, and Jesse. was, I guess, technically, like, the last vocalist of Seven Angels, right? Yeah, because he did that last show, I think.

Yeah. Yeah. Jesse, their singer, the singer of misery signals. One of the singers of Misery Signals. Yeah, I don't want to speak for them, though. I could be wrong. Yeah, straight up. Hey, it's okay to be wrong.

That's why we have our fact-checking. Yeah. Ryan Morgan and Kyle are both in Ms. Sigs. Oh, Jared. Oh, Jared was in Martyr AD? Oh, shit. Small circles, dude. Big world small circles

Yeah Sharing Sharing band members Yeah Yeah for real Well now Now people have something To check out

I just keep seeing the shirts around I'm like damn what the hell People in high school are jamming this shit It's crazy Like I've asked us Like What inspires you to write The stuff you're writing

Because like A lot of people are doing Like you know Seven string Bow bow bow stuff like the you know yeah right like modern metal core i guess you call it and i say misery signals and they're like who's that i'm like all right your homework is to go listen to of malice yeah we try to put the people on yeah always do you got you always got a shed light to where

where he came from i always do that you know these check check check out these bands yeah that's it i mean yeah i mean i wouldn't be here without without these bands hey jake can you pull up their, uh, bring up their, uh, records, boundaries, I meant. Because I have, uh, I have some, uh, rip questions. Oh, here we go. Uh, put out death is a little more. Do you might, do I, don't need glasses? Oh, no. No, I'm kidding. Don't worry. I'm blind. Are you? Oh, dude, I cannot see anything. When did you get, get classes? Uh, freshman year, but I've, dude, I've been blind my whole life.

Really? I, since, since, since you were a kid. Dude, like I would go to the eye doctor and they'd be like, you're fine. And then I got a new eye doctor and they're like, bro, you're so blind. Did you do the test like trying to read the words? Like, oh, I can't see shit. Yeah. They'd be like, you're fine. And I'm like, no, I can't see.

How do you riff? You need glasses to rip, huh? I mean, honestly, not really. I have a strap that I use when I play live that I just, I put on my glasses. And it's like it goes here and here. and I put it around my head and it goes under my hair and that's how I'm able to like head bang and stuff

Oh that's how is he wearing glasses If I don't have that I straight up can't see my tuner He's blind blind I put on his glasses and I can't see you Like it's bad It's weird when you put on someone's glasses Like oh I like it makes you blind But it helps them see

It's so weird Yeah So darkness shared Can you play that first breakdown and two like it's like a thrash and in the chorus that's like a total headbanger dude yeah it's just headbanger let's hit it you counted in what is it keep going nice dude who came up with that that was me yeah did you write those those three kind of oh like the back-to-back songs yeah yeah so i wrote darkness shared um just at my house before the studio

And then we got to the studio. I think it was just me, Matt, and Randy there. You weren't there yet, right? No, I think I had a show. And then me and Matt were like, we were really like full of hell. Like, we don't sound anything. Let's just do something like them.

So Randy was like, yeah, let's just do it. And you just started programming drums. And I was just like, that's like the whole song. We're just like, let's just do something crazy. Oh, like pedals. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So we like, like, Randy is responsible for putting those two songs together.

Mm-hmm. Like the ramping tempo up into that, like. Mm-hmm. The sick ass for, yeah. Instant headbanger. Mm-hmm. What about easily erased? Oh, yeah, that was the last song that was, like, written for the record.

We did pre-pro for this record. like a couple months before we actually recorded it and then we went home and then we went back to Randy again did more pre-pro I think I went home for like work or something for a weekend and when I was at home

I just like had this idea really I was just listening to tip your bartender by glass straw and I'll just sell myself out and you guys could listen to both those songs and hear that's the same structure but I just wanted to write my own that was like heavier

and I just wrote that by myself I sent it to Randy I was like I'll be back at the studio tomorrow and we'll finish this and we just kind of rocked that song out Nice What's a I think it scars on a soul It's like a up chromatic siren riff Oh yeah that's in the alt tuning

Yeah Then that was going to be a follow up question You guys have two different different tunings Yeah It's like some kind of weird open sea So we have The regular drop tunings, which obviously is, like, this is drop B. Here, I'll switch while you're doing that.

You switch. I got C, which is what we keep our guitars in. Okay. I got drop D, which is for, like, we have, I think, two songs in the set right now, which we use drop D. Drop D metal core, we do. Fuck, everybody. I'm going to put my guitar in that.

Yeah, let them rock it Okay And this is the open tuning Oh And this is the turning hate tuning Oh And I got that idea From a guy named Blake Hardman

Who is the Eddie Van Halen of this generation Because He used that tuning on a couple of counterpart songs When he was in counterparts parts. And Scars and a Soul is in that tuning, but it's just in B. Oh.

Yeah. We have so many tunings. Yeah. Then how do you do that siren kind of, it's like a chromatic? So. It goes up and like a harmonics in there somewhere. In that?

Yeah. Yeah. What is that? What the heck is that? I mean, he wrote it, but it's, in this tuning. Instead of the dissonant chords being here, they're now here. Oh.

So I can just go... And that's just... What the fuck has happened? It's a bit ADHD. You guys are crazy. I like the tuning a lot because I discovered it in a melodic sense. But then I discovered, yo, I can just go... Yeah, because...

It sounds like so pretty. Yeah. It sounds beautiful. Open, but then you can just do a different chord and it changes. It sounds fucked. And like the lead in that song

sounds impossible because it goes, it sounds impossible because it is impossible on a standard tuned guitar. But on this is just, it's just a bar. Kind of.

I don't know guitar terms. I was never taught. I never took guitar lessons. I know nothing. There's a magic to knowing nothing. Yeah. Because then once you know something, you're like, I wish I knew nothing,

because now my brain's getting in a way of a riff. Dude, that's how our band works. Yeah. We don't know anything about guitar or music theory. So we're just like, that's cool. Yeah, sometimes we'll just put the click on one one, and it just beats just that one beat over and over again. We write whatever we want,

and then Randy or Drew has to figure out what the time signature is. Dude, that's how scars happened. Yeah. Same thing with like your own murder on the record before. It's like, just put it in one, just write whatever. And if it's probably not in four, and that's fine. I don't care. Yeah.

It sounds cool to me. Yeah. Yeah, we do a lot of stuff in three four. I love three. Four is awesome. That's easily a race is in three, four for almost the whole song. Really? Yeah.

And then someone told me, you know that three, four in my, huh? Yeah, right? In my head, in my head, it's four or four. Because this is so simple. Yeah. It has to be four of four. Right. And so one says, no, that's like three, four.

I don't even know how to count that. Yeah. I can't count three, four. I don't even know what the hell you just said. One, two, three, one, two, three. Yeah. Yeah, what is it? One, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, one, two, four.

Is that, is that, is that, is that you count it? Oh, you just just one, two, three, over and over and over and over and over again. One, two, three, one, two, yeah. That's, because that, that's unanswered. Yeah, yeah. And someone told me, well, I guess, all, all right. Cool. Yeah.

Yeah. What is, uh, you have any favorite, like, uh, siren riffs? I've been getting into, into some siren riffs. I was, I was, I was, I was playing one before you guys got here. You know, I'm, I'm just, I'm gonna play it. Yeah. Yeah. This, this has to be the sickest siren riff ever.

So when I was in high school, this is what we were jamming. Oh, yeah. It's hard going from the truck to do like a siren. Yeah. I said man, I need to like... That record's awesome. Yeah. I need to bring back some sign.

Because you guys really... We have so many. Because you guys really brought like a siren thing back. We love those. Yeah, I probably have to switch back to the other guitar to do stuff like that. Oh, now we've got to tune back. Right. So how many tunings are there?

Uh, guitar. wise six like the guitar that i'm holding two but in the quad c d b open c open b open c open b a now oh and c sharp standard c sharp standard now on the new record so we have nine tunings we play in nine nine nine nine

hold on i gotta count that nine nice too many c d b ultimate c alternate C alternate drop a C sharp standard Oh okay I thought it was more Seven seven seven seven seven I can't count It's still a lot

We write metalcore we're not It's still a lot We're not good at school I have one One You're lucky bro I have one tuning I'd say one of our favorites

That's choke by counterparts That's just counterparts Not even us What the heck is that? that's a good one I mean we have so many just like the the pale light one

oh you guys are really in tune you didn't even counting in you're just like look and start playing at the same time that was kind of freaky we got that chemistry kind of

yeah that's years of just jamming together how long have you guys been jamming together I joined the band in early 20 right before we started writing, burying brightness.

Yeah, but the thing is, is like, all of my, like, favorite, favorite bands were his favorite, favorite band,

so it just completely worked. It was like, counterparts, Ms. Sigs, we both know how to play all of their songs. So it just translated so well. A day to remember.

A day to remember is awesome. Easy. What did you bring from, Instigator? Oh, instigate, dude? Yeah. Not much, honestly.

Oh, no? Okay, so you basically stopped. We're still a band. We're just a hardcore band. You know, just playing VFWs, trying to have fun. Hell yeah. So something that's just, keep them separate. Yeah, I try to.

I mean, we also play in Drop B. So that's kind of the thing. But Instigate is more like a... Like a straightforward hardcore band. It's way easier to play. so I can just have fun in a VFW and play the riffs instead of, you know, having to think, you know. Your songs look complicated. Yeah.

It's... They look hard to play. It's my absolute skill cap on guitar. I should only play our songs. I'm not that good. It's just whatever we can play, I've grown to play them. Like, we write stuff harder than we can play, and then we're like, well, now we have to learn it. Yeah.

That's how I, like, got, like, okay at guitar. But we're, like, kicking ourselves right now because we're, like, in the process of learning our new record after we wrote it sitting down like this. And, like, me and Corey are before every show just, like, playing the riffs that we wrote, like, sitting down on our computers, trying to play them standing up and being like,

oh, this is really hard. Yeah, we could play the... That one? Yeah. Yeah. You gotta count it. How do you write something like that? You guys are like,

I wrote one side, and then I passed the guitar to him, and he wrote the other side. What the other side? And like I still, I blew it the first pass of that. I played it bad because I don't know how to play yet. There's something completely different,

but it makes, yeah, it makes sense. We're playing completely different things. That's the, that's the counterparts in us, because counterparts does a lot of, like, this guitar is playing this riff

and this guitar is playing this riff. So we just leaked the riff Yeah, we did just leak a riff What song is that? Unequal hole Unequal record Yeah Oh my goodness

Well thank you for leaking the riff Yeah And then it goes No that's before that part Yeah We're still learning And we're gonna leak a breakdown Yeah right

Yeah that's what That's what I did Like you write something Right above your Abel ability. It's like 2% above. Yeah, it's like, right,

there's like, I can't play this yet. Yeah. And then you get there, then you write another song for another record. It's like, oh, I can't play that, and then you keep. Yeah, I mean, it helps.

It's made me better. Oh, for sure. When I started in this band, like, the wrists were like, which is just minority unit. It's not even our band. Okay. But that's just what the wrists were like.

Okay. Okay. What are your favorite, uh, Like, you have, like, favorite middle core wrist when you're, like, home jamming? And, like, this is when I'm home, not really riding. I'm just playing this. Uh, your summer in June.

I mean, me and Cody play that song all the time. Yeah. Want to rip it? Oh, it's rip it. Yeah. Just do the other part. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a, it's really hard. Uh. That's a freaking downpicker, dude. Yeah. And this one, too. What the hell is that? That's the first, no, the second song on that record of Malice. In response to stars, I think it's called.

Yeah, it's, dude, only misery signals. Yeah, and a data remember. And a day to remember. I love a day to remember. Counterparts, yeah, anything in Drop C straight up. Drop C is a great tuning. Drop C is the best tuning. I love just jamming along to a data member.

songs like uh bro yeah amazing band you guys like you guys know these songs yeah

so this is how you grew up knowing and learning these songs yeah i mean i grew up like playing along to all of these songs um really loudly in my bedroom because i had like i had a 6505 of the marshal cab and i had this like

Marshall m g amp, but it had an ox cable that I could plug an ox into it. So I would just play these songs at max volume through that amp and play along to them with my 6505 for years. Just terrorized my family.

Of course. Yeah. And they didn't care. Like my mom is, well, she's not here anymore, but she was here when she comes back. I'm sure she'll tell you how annoying it was when she's trying to watch like

down to Abbey and I'm just like Yeah. Yeah. Like they were the first Like a day to remember start the shooting that song.

Yeah. That was the first like screaming music I ever heard. Wow. It was like 2008 or nine, I think. I remember that when that moment was happening

I was like, but there's, I'm older. But there's people that are in their teens right now hearing that And now this is now, now it's happening. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's crazy to find out that their influences are like also our influences too. Yeah. I asked August Burns Redd. I was like, hey, like, like, what did you guys like rip off of when you were like starting your band? And they were like, barrier dead on broken wings. And I was like, okay, cool. Same.

Yeah. Same still. Yeah. It's just a cycle now. Mm-hmm. Yeah. All right. Cody, can I please play that Jackson?

Yeah, check it out. I'm just curious what... Yeah. I'm curious what's going to fly out. Strings are a little dead, but, you know. I need to change my strings too, man. Drop C. I'm trying to do what you guys would do.

Yeah, you could be in the band already. Yeah, you got it. This chord? This is like 90% of our stuff. Yeah. That plays awesome. Careful, I might take that. Yeah, when this comes out, maybe...

It was dope. New song. Yeah, I love this guitar. Very sick. Yeah, I was seeing... I was watching both the guys play. I was like, like him when you guys would go up and do like those kind of single note things. I never mess around with that.

So I was kind of like, wow, I wonder what happened. I just do this. Yeah, we love that. Just like... It reminded me also of a martyr... AD too. Mm-hmm. Like,

Yeah. Yeah, we have a lot of like... We have so many of those. Like, we could play that one. Yeah, right on not say? Yeah. Yeah. I love playing that song.

And we still... That's like three records ago when we still play it every show. It's called that Ruthernaut Say. Yeah, for that record. You got to have your favorites. Yeah. In Toronto, every arrival is a state. and nothing says it better than this.

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Is there anything about... Because I mean guys, I'm not saying you guys are like a new band, but this is, yeah, you guys have four records. Mm-hmm. Um, started in, uh, 2013, 14. Yeah, like 14, yeah, around there. Nice. And it was from my bands that were like disbanded and basically, uh, like you, like you, you, you and Matt basically kind of.

Yeah, like, there was like a lineup that was kind of doing like covers and stuff in 2014. So like the name boundaries is just like attached. to like a cover band and that song Two-Faced that like I don't even know if it exists anywhere anymore and it's featuring Matt like Matt's a guest vocalist on it interesting and then the next year me and Matt joined uh Matt joined and recorded uh something I don't even like talking about it but something called defector EP it's like just a drop F down tempo type music uh they did that and I joined like right before it came out in like 2015. Okay.

So me and Matt have been in this band for 11 years now. Over a decade. It's crazy to think about. Yeah, that's crazy. You guys haven't even started yet. I know. Yeah, we're just, it's like, people are like, like new up and comer. And I was like, I've been on tour in just this band for 11 years.

It doesn't feel that new to me. I haven't seen boundaries since I was 16. Yeah. And Sourmouth is the first song I wrote for Boundaries. Really? Mm-hmm. Songs sucks. It sucks.

Yeah. But Boundaries was in drop F. And I wrote that song in Drop F. and I was like, man, this is not for me. Kevin Stevens. Yeah, I love Kevin. Lucian, awesome goats. But I transposed it up to Drop C.

And I was like, this sounds way sicker. Okay, so you started lower than they, like, this is not me or my thing. Yeah. And then I brought Drop. C to the band and then we took the defector songs in drop F and we just started playing those songs and drop C as well. And then we just dropped drop F entirely because we were like, no, but none of us like this. Why are we doing it? Wow. So that's how you found your, your tuning. Yeah. Because all my old bands played in drop C.

Like I was never into the low tuning like like like bong type music. Like it just wasn't for me. but everyone in Boundaries at the time was like just very good friends of mine and I was like yeah I'll join like I just want to play music I'll be in any band yeah it completely worked out so you say

you say transposed it up so what you just it's kind of hard to go from F to C I wrote it in QBase and then I highlighted every file guitar and bass and there was like a transposed option and I just digitally tuned it up And I was like, that, I think that sounds better. And then I re-recorded everything and drop C.

Interesting. Wow. Crazy stuff. It's cool. I mean, you found your own sound. Yeah. Yeah. Because usually bands go lower.

No. We technically have been now. Like, now we're in B. So like most of our stuff. Half step lower, drop B, a lot of it. Which is still great. I love B. We have one song in drop A on the new record.

Yeah, drop. Which was by accident. Yeah, we did that. to like, we wrote a chorus and Drew and Tim were like, I think this is too high to like sing like great every night. Like Tim could hit it because he's a great singer.

But we dropped it a step and the chorus just felt more natural. Yeah, it's called the Leper's Bell. That's the song that's in drop A. Dude, we're just leaking everything. Yeah. I mean, the track list is out there. You guys could have everything.

It would just be leaking our record anyway. Yeah, people have the track list before the song was leaving out. So is it in clear communication that, okay, what's the next song you're going to put out? Is it the right mix? Have you made sure yet? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I hope so. So our manager, Wayne, is going to be at the show after this.

And I feel so bad for him because I can't wait to just sit down and just complain at his face for an hour. And he's just going to be like, yeah, guys, I get it. Yeah. But he's good. He loves to complain right back to us. I love Wayne. He's like the best ever. He's like, do you know what it's like to manage you guys?

Yeah, straight up. Bro, he's got to love it. And if he doesn't, I'm sorry. That's our old guy for real. We just love to have fun with Wayne. He's awesome. Yeah. What did you learn from this whole experience?

Is there something you guys are going to take away from this? I just don't trust anybody anymore. I really don't. I, we like, we were like, we're signing to Samarian. people are going to be weird about it, being like, oh, they sold out or whatever. Which is, it happens to every band. Like, if you signed a big label,

like, we were prepared to take that. We were like, let's lead with just a crazy, heavy song. And show everyone that we're still a heavy band, and we're just writing the same music we always have. And the Star-Spangled banner of Kill People music. Yeah, that's what we've been calling it. Nathan said. Yeah.

And yeah, I mean, people like the song. Just the mix thing is weird. but yeah like this record is just so all over the place and people will find that out it goes as light as we've ever gone like clearly as light as we ever gone and clearly as heavy as we ever gone but yeah i don't people just like right now just i guess might not see the vision so i don't know just it's hard to just like put your full faith in anybody anymore just you just got to keep doing what you are doing no matter what i've had like my friends reach out to me and be like Like, just stay out of all this. Like, don't, like, involve yourself in the drama. And they're completely right. Like, you should just ignore everything going on. So I don't know.

I've learned to, like, keep to myself and not trust people. And whatever happens, happens. I'm just still going to write my breakdowns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm still going to play this, this chord. Yeah, we always say we have this chord in this chord, which is this and this.

what does your band sound like? So we sound like most of the time. Sometimes we sound like and sometimes we sound like Yeah. No, but like to add to it just like I loved working with Drew, I love working with Randy.

Like I think you should like no matter what people think you should just do whatever makes you happy as a musician and that's what this record is for us. like we've spoken next record like maybe we do both Randy and Drew like maybe we do something completely different just just we want to do whatever we think is awesome

because like if I didn't I would just go be an electrician and make way more money because it's way easier to do that. Yeah. But I'm just going to choose to make less money and do something very fun. Yeah man. Trust is a weird thing

It's still, even for me, it's still evolving. Yeah, you guys have definitely gone through it too. Yeah, still, you know, who can you even trust opinions? Yeah. You know? Yeah. That's really what it is, the, like, trusting of opinions and stuff. Yeah, it's like, oh, man, no one really knows what's best for you.

And because suddenly everybody's a professional mix engineer. Yeah. And our record wasn't mixed by a Grammy nominated producer or anything like that. Yeah. It's like when people watch UFC fights, all of a sudden people are like the best, like, they, like, Like they don't know how to fight. Yeah. Why don't you just punch them?

Yeah. It's like, dude, I'm fucking trying. I can imagine being a fight. I'm fucking trying. That's me with hockey, bro. Right now. The Bruins are playing right now in blowing it. Yeah, same thing.

I'm watching the Yankees play baseball. I mean, they're doing good right now. But whenever they lose, I'm like, bro, get me in there. Oh, bro. Oh, yeah. Six to one. It's bad. It's bad.

Dude, Boston Bruins. Nice, bro. Do you ever go to games? I've actually never been to a Bruins game. Really? No, I played hockey like my whole life, though. But that's crazy. You got to go to a game.

I got to go to a game, but I'm going to wait till they're good first and then I'll go to a game. It might never happen. Yeah, yeah, might not. You might be waiting your whole career. Yeah, right. Boston Bruins, man. Oh, man. That's bad.

Yeah, we're pretty close to the Hana Center, which is where the ducks play. Yeah, yeah. It's like right there. I've been, I'm on a hockey person, but I'm not a hockey person, but I, I've been to a game at stake. Yeah, it's an awesome sport. You got to go. You got to go in the arena and sit there and not drink.

Yeah, dude, eat a hot dog or two or three or six. It's my favorite. Have like a just a game, a game dog. Yeah, dude, man. I'm a dog to leader myself. Yeah, he is. A dog, a leader. Yeah.

Are you guys trying to cure your obsession with Taco Bell? Nope. The opposite. No, actually. No, actually, yeah, our manager just signed us up for like the feed the beat program. to try to get free Taco Bell because we eat so much of it. Because you guys spent like $5,000 already, right? Just like late on Taco Bell.

Is this true? Me and Matt have like the app and like it like tracks your points. And like me and Matt are like $5,000 deep into our app. Taste. Taste bill. It's awesome though. I mean, Matt is vegan and I'm vegetarian and it's just like the late night spot that'll have food for us. What do you get?

I get burritos with potato. instead of beef, and it's awesome every time. It's so good. Yeah. Taco is pretty sick, dude. Yeah. Yeah, I hope they hook it up. Taco Bo, please.

I'm starving. Oh. I'm trying to think what's the closest, what's the closest Taco Bell by where you're at? I mean, you're kind of in like the mecca. I could tell you right now, after the set, we're probably going to get Ikes. Oh, yeah.

shop, it's not near us. I never been there. We play the set. We put in a group order on Uber Eats before the set. We finish, we get offstage, we hit place. Anytime there's an Ikes. Our whole band is a set. That's how you do it.

Beast sandwiches. I keep seeing a name, but never actually been there. I'm starving now. They got a thousand sandwiches. A thousand sandwiches? You got a thousand. Never enough sandwiches. They straight up do have a thousand sandwiches.

See, they're all numbered and stuff? Yeah. Holy crap. They're awesome. Is there anything about, is there anything about, because it's really not a lot out there about your band, especially coming from someone that kind of did some digging. So is there anything about like your history,

about your band that you want out there? I don't know. We're pretty low-key. I mean, we don't do anything. I don't do much. Like, we play video games. Yeah, we have like a, If anything you should know about our band is we're not like some bands.

We're like the only time they ever see each other is on tour or like they don't speak. Like we get off tour. We get on our computers. We get in our Discord server and we all play video games together for like eight hours a day every day. Wow. It's like if we're not on tour, we are still hanging out. We digitally chill. We are in the computer.

Or we're playing with guns. We play with guns Yeah Yeah What like What like like the shooting range or something Yeah yeah We love guns

Guns are awesome That's my that's one of my goals Before the year is over I want to buy a gun It's like a nice It's like a handgun Yeah There's so many ranges

Where I'm at my too I just want to go there And it's like shoots Some rounds It's fun It's so fun It's fun I feel safe

It's all I do With it I play video games And I shoot my guns Yeah What It's bad coffee.

Oh, lots of coffee. Oh, yeah. That's the thing that's probably not out there. We're coffee guys.

Yeah. Except for Tim and Nathan. Me, yeah, me, Matt, Cody, like I had,

yesterday I had two iced americano, that's eight shots. I had a red bull. And then at 10.30 p.m. We found a coffee shop that was open and we walked

to it and I had another latte. So I had like 11 shots of espresso yesterday and a red bull. It's not enough. It's not enough. I know, dude, just put the caffeine.

Just put it up on my butt, dude, to this point. Yeah, yeah. Never enough caffeine. If it'll help go for it, like, I'm down. Yeah, I love it. Dude, I wake up and I'm like, why am I mad? Yeah, we're straight edge and our vice is caffeine and maybe gambling. Love gambling.

Yeah. I was trying to poke me. There's something, so it's gambling. Oh, yeah. I'm addicted to video games. I love to gamble. Yeah. And caffeine.

Reels. Instagram reels. I'm addicted. my screen time on my phone is crazy right now. Oh my, I can't even imagine you're fucking eight four page. I'm in my bunk like this on my phone, bro. If I was getting paid per minute on screen time, bro,

I wouldn't have to do this. I quit the band. No, I'm just kidding. All right, I got a, this is the closing question I asked every guest. What are, what's, and we have two answers, too,

because there's both of you. What are three albums for people to check out? Could be yours, could be old, Old, new, any genre, there's no rules. Hmm. You first, I gotta think. I'll spit one out real quick.

Real Talk by Man Overboard. Yo. Yeah. Pop Punk, bro. Real Talk, Man Overboard. That's an awesome one. We're huge pop punk heads also. Yeah.

I wish they would come back as a full band. If you're listening, do it. Just for me. Man. Shout out. Man Overboard, Real Talk. Amazing music. Came out in 2010.

Okay. Yeah, you got to hit one while I think, bro. All right, you did pop punk, so I'll go block out the sun and sleep, but to the wind. One of my all-time favorite bands. There are just another melodic metalcore band from, like, the 2010s era. They were on Pure Noise Records. They never got, like, gigantic, but they're one of my biggest influences in the genre. and I need them to come back.

I need them. If they come back, I will get seriously injured during their set. Yeah, amazing band. Turncoat, foundation. Hard. I love how you're both naming records.

I have no idea what it is. Yeah. This is perfect. Straight Edge Band to ever exist. We were lucky enough to play with, they just came back recently and we just played Furnace Fest with them. And they're just like one of the best bands

I've ever seen or listened to. Like, this is the best hardcore record for me. And when the smoke clears is there, too. I mean, it's so awesome. Yeah, foundation. Like, if you're going to say, like, people call us a hardcore band. Like, we're really not at all. Like, we have no hardcore parts.

But, like, if we take influence from hardcore, it's mostly from foundation. They do a lot of, like, the big barcords that we do as well. Yeah, what do you got? Prying eyes by Cruel Hand. They're another hardcore band from Maine. They're one of my all-time favorite bands as well. Another, like, come out of Mosh retirement bands for me.

Okay. They just got riffs on top of rifts, just, like, E-flat, hardcore. Yeah. Like, they got, like, a little bit of Metallica influence. Amazing band. That's my number two. What do you got? And for bands to just check out, I guess,

this band, Your Spirit Dyes, is putting out new music just constantly. They're like really good friends of ours. They're on tour right now. I don't know. I just think they're just doing like this faster metalcore sound right. Randy is recording the record. Our friend Hunter just joined the band. Like, they're amazing.

Yeah. I don't know if there's a record or not. I just know they're putting out whatever new stuff they're putting out. That's, I think people should be checking out your spirit dies right now. Yeah. It's trying to see we have a final. Yeah, this is the newest thing. Starlist is like the newest single.

Okay, so they're, they're dropping singles right now. Yeah, okay, okay, cool. Check it out. Like, follow them as they put out music. Your spirit dies. Okay, cool. Cody I think you have one one more

Hmm This is tough Because I could go pop punk Or I could go deathcore I'm gonna go pop punk One of my favorite records ever Is the starting line's first LP That record's so good

Say it like you mean it Amazing album I love this record so much That cover is sick It is so such like stuck in the early 2000s like time capsule

but I listen I probably have like 800 hours into this record I sweat this record Gemini 2002 in case you're curious I was two aren't we playing like the same warp tour as them I hope we probably the same day yeah I really hope so

the couch did the couch the couch is just like yeah that band's awesome This is a time capsule just from the photos alone. Interesting. Yeah. Are you guys on some warpt warped dates? We're just playing Long Beach.

Nice. Yeah. I'll see you guys there. Oh, sick. Yo. Hopefully we're on the same day. I want to shout out a band called Blood Tithe from Massachusetts. They're awesome.

Yeah. If we're going to shout out a band from our state. You got to do it at least once. Yeah. Blood Tithe is awesome. They're scary Mosh metal. and from Connecticut there's this post-hardcore band

called Montclair Yo Yeah Just They're so awesome That band is awesome They just sound like Really good Silverstein

They're like heavier Silverstein Nice Yeah Very cis They're great Well sick We got a We got eight

Bans to check out Yeah sorry No it's cool We like music No, this is a music podcast You should listen to Holder too I'm sorry I can go on

Yeah, just we should stop looking at flyers Or I'm gonna tell people to listen to every band Yeah Haywire Check out Holder and Stitch How Stitch is cool? I don't ever listen I'm gonna go listen to them I'll listen to them too Holder and Stitch 5 10 bands check out

Haywire 11 Okay You don't need to check out Haywire You already know who they are Okay Where do you want people to go where can people find you guys yeah Instagram

yeah find us on Instagram which I'm always on we tour all year nonstop it feels Boundary CT Yeah at Boundary CT on everything I don't think we'll ever stop touring for the whole year always I will never be at home

I will never see my dogs that's okay I will just keep playing breakdowns because I love it There'll be uh this will definitely be out before you guys go out in June okay for a year up so They'll be all over Europe in June.

Yeah, first time playing those fests. Nice. I can't wait. I'm going to be with our friends in the plot in you. And I... Are we playing with Dying Wish or no? I don't know. That's not happening anymore.

Malevolence. Also, dying Wish. Oh, yeah. Those are our friends. Toolbance check out. Okay. I've got to stop. No, it's all right.

No, we'll keep adding in a number to our timestamps. Yeah. Anywhere else? Spotify. Yeah. I don't know. Spotify. but you could find us.

Our personal Instagrams, I guess. Well, a new, new record out July 17th yearning, The Unbeautiful After. Who named that? Matt, Matt, Matt does all our, all naming, all lyrics. Cool. Yeah, Matt. Matt takes full control, all merch, anything visually with the band you see,

Matt is completely in control of, and he does a great job with it. Oh, sick. Like him and our merch guy, Mikey, they just, I don't know, they work together so well. Nice. Corey Cody Thank you for being here Thank you for having us

It was awesome It was pleasure It was pleasure Yeah long time coming Yeah all right one That's it Love you guys