Garza Podcast - 239 - CRYPTOPSY: Death Metal, None So Vile & Workouts for Drummers

Episode Date: June 29, 2026

Garza sits down in-person with Canadian death metal band CRYPTOPSY. On tour in UK & Europe July-August 2026! https://instagram.com/cryptopsyofficialCheck out the merch here: https://garzapodcast.myshopify.com00:00 - Flo’s Workouts for Drummers05:50 - Marriage, Relationships & Getting Older06:56 - Christian Getting Into Audio14:09 - Religious Upbringing17:49 - Winning a Juno19:05 - The Unspoken King Backlash26:07 - Taking Ownership of the Band28:35 - Sound Throughout the Years32:02 - As Gomorrah Burns34:40 - Drum Influences40:08 - Drumming Style & Technique42:34 - Tough Love44:11 - Flo Screaming47:47 - The Carpenters49:19 - Matt Joining After Lord Worm53:50 - Self-Producing57:34 - Growing as a Person1:00:08 - Vox&Hops Podcast1:04:28 - Favorite Drummers1:06:45 - 3 Albums to Check Out

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Thanks for having us. Hello. Christian. Kristen. Matt. We're here. The Garza podcast. We're stoked to be here.

Thank you for driving from Texas only to do the podcast. podcast. Exactly. Only reason we're going back. I really. We're out. We're going back. I really appreciate that.

Cool. How was that drive? It was actually really smooth. We cut it up. We stopped in El Paso. And then yesterday we were in Phoenix. We had some cool days off at the pool. It was a good one.

A pool day? Yeah. You got to have a pool day. Sure. We went saw Mortal Kombat 2. I hear it's awesome. It was gory and fun and stupid. I hear it's a fun movie.

It's fun, but it's definitely stupid. Okay. I've heard it. I haven't heard bad yet, so it's good. I'm sure Flo hit hit the gym. Oh, yeah, yeah, just once, but yes, yes. Once the whole tour? No, no, no.

Once on these, these off, you know. Cool. Yeah. Have you always been really strong into fitness, correct? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I gotta do some stuff today as well, so it's just like, you know, show stuff and it helps, everything helps. Yeah. I mean, you were, I mean, you've been lifting since you were eight or nine years old, right?

You were going to your grandma's house, get a stick, a pill, a pill, a water. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Make shift barbell, yeah. There's no excuses. You got to work out.

But what, did you actually put water in the pails? Yeah, just like kind of like I got like a long stick and I nitched out like grooves. Wow. And then I'd get the pails and put them on the grooves. You put them in the grooves? Yeah, sure. Dude, you, you've been grooving your whole life. I've been improvising my whole life, yeah.

He brag told his friends there was more water than the bucket stuff. He was saying the buckets were full, but they weren't. I mean, it must be so, uh, so important for, for the drumming. Because it's, it's so physical and, uh, and, and the weights and probably soccer helped out too. Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, everything helps. But yeah, I do really specific things that, um, most people do just to, you know, build up or, you know, shape up or whatever.

But it, it really helps on, uh, certain techniques that I use when I'm playing for sure. Especially like the top, the top, I got that pretty much down to where I was. want it and if I don't do it I'll feel a difference and you know yeah stuff like that you got you got a sexy chest thank you actually what uh I guess that first first question what's like uh if you're like a drummer what's like what of like some exercises drummers should focus on um well definitely like pushups and yeah chest just to just to get it so you can maneuver a little bit better around the kit I find you can push with their chest. Lat pull downs are really good for support of the arms.

So that's going to be your wings right. So it's like, yeah. Okay. And even just stability, especially when I'm blasting and stuff like that. And I think like one of the most important ones is going to be the long head of the tricep. So that's got to be kind of like an extension or skull crushers. And I just find that helps with the power of like a grind beat. I can control it more and make it more powerful.

and I mean, you know, legs, I'm still trying different stuff out, but there's lots of, I skateboarded for a long time as a kid. And I found my left foot was just really, really, really solid. And that's the one that was doing the basically the lunge all the time, right? So I've been doing that kind of stuff recently too. Okay. A variety of different things, you know. Yeah, you always got to work out your legs, dude.

It sucks, but you got to do it. Today, today was my late day. I'm like, going to talk to cryptopsy. I got to do legs. Deep squats. It sucks. It sucks. Not every day.

No, there's not one day the past. I've been going to gym since 27. I'm 40 now, so not there's not one day. I was like, yeah, I fucking got it. I'm going there, have fun. I love doing legs. Yeah. If someone says they're like lay day, they're a fucking freaking, I don't trust them.

You shouldn't. No, you shouldn't. So it's the long tricep. So like the skull crush. So anything that does this. Yeah. Not like a pushdown. Push down.

I mean, if you do a push down with a little bit of space in between you, not fully checked. I need the push down. That's the problem. But give yourself a little bit of space and then now you're working the long head and the short head. That's why I'm not blasting right. Because I do the pushdown. Right. Well, I do those too.

But I mean, I know that the long head. So skull crushers is about that is better for your forearm stuff you do too. I do forearm stuff too as well. Just, you know, just four arms, but just different angles and stuff. because it, I mean, but my body's different than everybody else's, so it works for me, it might not work for somebody else. Sure, yeah. That's why I kind of gave up on teaching too much.

Because there was a time he was like advertising and selling workout lessons for drummers specifically for drummers, yeah, and I find that, um, very niche. Yeah, very niche, yeah. But then again, there's a lot of genres, though. Yeah, everyone's always looking for the, the magic solution. How'd that? Well, I mean, it's, it's, first of all, everybody's body is different, like I just said, but also you have to apply this, you know?

And a lot of times people just won't do it consistently. And if there's no consistence, then there's no results. Yeah. If you're not consistent, you're not, you're not, you're not consistent. You're not. It's like that in life with many things. Yeah. Oh, totally, dude.

Like imagine, you know, I mean, so all, so for listeners watching, uh, you guys are all married. So you got to, you got to, it's like every day, you got to be consistent with, with the relationship. Correct. I always told people, uh, I treat my girlfriend like it's the first date. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, holding hands, you know, it's being, it's being, it's being, it's being, it's being a good move. That's a good move. Oh, you're fucking hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, kind of like that, like, innocent, you know, same, uh, same approach to music, trying out to lose that, like, innocent mind. Yeah. It's tough because did Jay, you did dating this and like the, as soon as I hit my 40s, I only like the stuff that I like,

Oh, yeah. No, but more and more. But that, you're getting there. I'm getting there. Okay. Was that 40 for you? Yeah, I'm 42 going to be 43 this year. Nice.

Yeah. Congrats man, 40's fun. It is, yeah. I feel like I'm getting less dumb at 40, I think. I think. We just make better decisions. Yeah, less mistakes. Yeah.

We try. But that's the power of having a partner. It keeps you, like, grounded. It's true. There's a lot dumb stuff that was, I'm not able to do anymore to because I'm too old now. so yeah that's the that's the the silver lining of getting old oh totally so what christian are you uh so you started playing guitar and basically started your uh lifetime of tone searching because you heard the black album at 12 correct if i well yeah actually i did i did listen to the black album and

i was really crazy about that one yeah for sure wherever i may rome that was my best song still my best song on that record oh whatever might be wrong man so good beautiful song so good just like remember just listening to that song in that, let's say, shitty boom bucks I had when I was young and just like try to understand what's going on left and right and why is it so wide what's happening? Yeah. Have you seen him play it live? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. That's actually one. I remember they were doing the black album backwards. And when that song came on, I remember thinking like, oh, I didn't know this was like, it's probably sounded the best out of the whole record. In my personal opinion, I remember really they played it. I was like, it was this beautiful. It's great.

It just the vibe of that song was amazing. It was my favorite than that record. And after that I discovered like other more songs on that album that I thought was really good to. But that one is like the one that just made me, yes, I love that. I love that song. Yeah. And the sound was just phenomenal, especially for that time, you know. It's interesting. Even at 12, you had that production ear that like caught you more than so than just the heaviness. Exactly. You were already interested in like how did they record this. And I just was, I was going to the music store to like any music store I could and just like tried

out every pedals and wondering myself why. So how do you, how do you achieve that sound? And I doubt you can just get it into one of those, with one of those choirs and those weird, whatever pedals they had, like probably metal zone back then. You know, so it's not what James was using. It's very interesting that you're like, focused on the sound versus then the riffs.

Totally, yeah. Which makes sense why you. It chose you. I have a question for Chris, though. It's just, I'm just curious at how you, how you developed your frequency differences, like the frequencies that you hear i mean i have no idea that what's going on but you know the frequencies you can like

identify them how did you develop that was it like uh just after over the years i believe you know after he is you know like oh this is probably around 200 because you know what 200 does and this is around 1k it's quite i mean i do have a really good musical ear so like i know what that's what that's what i'm very good and when you know like what an a is well you know what 440 is you can basically just adjust. I know he was. It's just a science that you kind of have to memorize and then have a good ear for it. But it's a science.

It's not an improvisation. Yeah, yeah. But basically, you know, you know after a bit. You know, like, you know, like, you just have to look at this carpet. You know, it's purple already. We agree with him. Not James. No.

Not James. No. No, no. James. R. F. O'Brien? Colorblind. Yeah. Well, you know, James?

From Obismal Don. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Man, carbina sucks. So, okay. So Christian, so when you see a grab like this, do you get like horned up or what? No, it's interesting, you know. You can see some peaks in some spots, some peaks and you can see like, uh, this one doesn't have a lot of, uh, the yellow one. So now, sometimes I just feel like when I'm on tour, I like to have a break from this too.

Oh, of course. Not sitting in your chair. Yeah. Yeah. Now you're in this life. Now, now, now, now you're doing this. You know what? Real quick, now they're on a subject of audio. I've heard you talk about how people misuse the metal zone.

They use it as a distortion pedal, but actually is a preamp. And I didn't hear anyone talk about that until you've said it. I was like, and I still didn't really know what you were talking about. It is a preempt. You know, I just think it's a pream of distortion, you know. But yeah, the metal zone, good old classic. So how are you supposed to use it? This is like if you have to bypass the preempt, basically.

because if you put it in front of a pre-amp, you'll have two pre-empts, so two colors, sometimes might just create some extra fast. And that's what everyone does. That's what everyone, that's what I was doing as well. But if you've connected into the return of your amp, you bypass the, you're just using the power amp of that amp, and you can just tweak it as a pre-empt, you know.

And also there's a lot of thing in the middle, the mid button, people didn't know it was a parametric too, so they just thought like, oh, I don't want mid, so just cutting like the little mid thing in the third one to the left. I never noticed this. So write that it says 200 to 5K. Yeah, that's the parametric. Yes.

I never know that. Talk about sometimes you see something your whole fucking life and you see something for the first time years later. Wow, I never remember that. Dude, he lost me at metal zone. Yeah. I just like, ah, shit. Okay. I'm out for 15 minutes, dude.

Okay, so you're supposed to put it through the return? That's the best way to use it so you don't have the extra color of the app you're using. of the app you're using. But you can use it as a tone shaper, but it was designed for this. Okay. And that mid, you know, you can boost cut with the middle

at the smaller one and you just choose your frequency with the round, the little ring thingy. Wow, I never noticed that. So how, uh, I'm going to guess you were 18. How old were you when someone from Cryptopsy

called you at your old job, HMV to basically be in the band? Oh, was I? A 20... Was that the guitar contest story? It's a great story. What was it, though? I think it was somewhere...

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was... I was probably 24. 24 and something like that, yeah. So I was 23. Exactly like me. That's crazy. Yeah, I think I was 24.

So I guess 2004, something like that. Who called you? It was Alex, the old guitar player. It was that guitar contest that basically he was a judge. Awesome. And he made me lose because if I would have win, I had to go to Toronto to do the finals

and they needed me to join the tour with suffocation. So they called me like, hey. So basically he made him lose so that they could pluck him up and bring him on tour. Yeah. If not he would have had to go and win the finals somewhere else. So he selfishly made you lose. And then he found your number from HMV, which is that's a record store.

Yeah, and I believe he was working there too before that. Oh, you were stalking you. Yeah. That sounds like that's all right. Maybe. Yeah. It was working there. So I guess it was able to call to, you know, it was able to find the numbers of different HMV, you know.

Back in the day, we were very resourceful getting people's phone numbers. Oh, yeah. Now it's like a few texts to be able to, we're using that six degrees of separation much more liberally via text messaging. Whereas back in the day, we would have to call and like find that number. Oh, you have to find it. Yeah. Do you know this? And then you have to like the trust of sharing someone's

personal number. Oh, sure. With that, that, that you call that, that, you know, the phone phone? Yeah, the phone. Yeah. I can't be quick. I remember using rotary phones. I had a rotary phone in my parents house up until the very end. Yeah. Dude, that's how you, that's how you, that's how you were practice your blast beats like, I think, yeah, I think, yeah, I think I was the last generation to not have it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We, we had strictly buttons. Yeah. Yeah. What about those hamburger phones? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And Matt, you, so you grew up going to church and Sunday school with your parents, right? That's correct.

Well, cool. Supportive upbringing, but they really kind of like connected to speaking to someone's grandma. You were basically went to church because you're grandma, right? You kind of like connected. Very right. Okay. Connecting to those things. And then you get into high school, hang out with their buddy events.

My God. You're very good. And then you're like, okay, that's when you started questioning faith, and then you found Manson. Am I? You're right on track, right there. Corn and Manson all at that same time, which was definitely just like the shocking imagery. I didn't have cable. I just had like channel, antenna channel TV.

So no music videos. I discovered like Manson and Corn at my friend's houses where they had cable TV. And this shocking, blasphemous imagery really started pushing. just the social norms of what I had been told and educated my entire life. And I just started having me ask questions is really what happened. And I went to high school at a time when we still had religious classes all the way up until I graduated high school. I studied in Catholic religious classes.

Wow. Where we were these group of metalheads with Vince. Shout out to Vince, of course. And we still went to these classes and thrived in these classes and did well in the classes and were respectful to the teacher, Miss Finley, who was amazing. And but we still questioned and were open to debate and discussion about the possibilities of it not being maybe true. Okay. Fast forward. Now you're atheist. I don't practice anything at this exact moment. Okay. I remember there was a period of time where you're like, I live in the now.

and I live in the moment and I do believe in a, fast forward, yeah. Something intense controlling everything, but I don't know what that is at this point of my life. And when did you come to this conclusion? I think so many amazing things have happened in the world and in our lives. I was like Matt has kids. I was curious like, he's ages, but he has kids.

But like I didn't baptize the kids that we, they don't, they don't think my kids have ever been to a church. Okay. But it's not out of. spite, it's just how we live our lives at this exact moment, me and my wife. It seems like you're kind of like whatever the moment brings. We live in the moment pretty heavily. Oh, yeah.

And appreciate what is happening with the family, with the, you know, going through some hardships of losing family members. Oh, yeah. But us coming through strong afterwards is something that we, I know that other people in my family are still very religious, but at this exact moment, I just live in the moment and focus on what's happening. Yeah. Any kind of debt will kind of make you question or at least hopefully if you're a healthy human,

it makes you think about something. Yeah. Yeah. It was a quick, shocking departure of my father that was shocking and hard for the family to deal with. But we really, it brought us together really quite tightly, which was something that would make him very happy and proud. So I'm happy with that.

I'm sure he's proud of you. Oh, thank you. Yeah, that's cool, man. So, you know, Matt, oh, okay, he's in a deaf one band. Great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool. He was a huge fan of it, honestly. He loved it, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, your parents would go to the shows in Montreal, correct? Correct, yes. That's sick, dude. No one was prouder of the Juno win, which is the Canadian Grammy. Yeah. Then my father, I have this picture of him holding it, shaking because it's heavier than you think it is. You got a Juno?

Yeah, two. three years ago at this point. Oh, really? I don't know that. We got nominated this past year, too. Congratulations. Yeah. Thank you.

Thank you. Yeah. Best metal album, hard rock album. Yeah. Congratulations, man. Actually, this is a really cool, like... Stanley Cup. No.

Cribs-opsie got the Stanley Cup. That's what we got. Really? Yeah. I remember we shipped them to my mom's house because we were on tour when they came in. And my mom was like,

how do you want me to bring them to? I don't know, put them in the car and bring them to the show. I can't care you. I don't realize how happy they were, the poor little woman. How many did he get? Four, yeah. Sick. Yeah.

Okay, four. They give one for each member and if you want to get more, you got to. Awesome. Fork out some cash to the, to the Juneau award people. Dude, that's great. That's awesome, man. Well, kind of like a crazy full circle moment for your band, because I remember you mentioned, Matt, that, So your first record with the band is Unspoken King.

Correct. And quote, you said it was a disaster. It was a received as a disaster. It was a very creative experiment for the band. And I have been thinking about this, and I've spoken about it a lot over many years. And this is my take on it. You guys can correct me here, if there's anything.

It was the first record that John Lavasar had absolutely nothing to do with. He wasn't on once, was not. But he did write some songs and some composers, compositions for that record and then left. So the Unspoken King was the first record where every member that was in the band at that time was sort of fighting for their vision of what Cryptopsy could be in the future. So when I joined, I didn't really know who was the leader of the band. That's a word dynamic to walk into. Everyone sort of felt equal. I understand.

And once I realized. that who was in control, my life got a lot easier in dealing with people in the band. And we dropped this record. They definitely wanted to clean vocals. I came into the band as a metal core vocalist. I grew up in a band Three Mile Scream, where it was screaming verses,

clean choruses, kill switch, engage, worship. And they chose me because I could do that. Okay. So I did a bunch of clearesters. vocals, some harsh vocals. We dropped the record, and people are pissed. I heard you're getting

death threats. There were some, it was on the MySpace era, so there was a... A classic MySpace death threat. Exactly, right? We hope your bus crashes. Which I wrote back to, and it was funny response. The main issue is not the music. Yes, the music is different than a Cryptopsy record.

This is my main point. is our biggest mistake with that record was the fact that us as a band didn't just respectfully say, you guys don't like it, don't listen to it. We got really defensive. We told everyone to fuck off. Yeah. And that was a big problem.

Oh. Well, we did a whole photo shoot where we were giving the finger. Yeah, but we had the Johnny intro on. It wasn't that, I think, public, public, you know what I mean? I think it's such a small space in the metal world that everyone that hated it, knew it. There was this crazy video that they made of, um, Hitler. There was this

movie that had, the, the, the, the furor had come out. Oh, yeah. And they re-dubbed the whole thing as if it was flow as Hitler. It was, it's up there somewhere, if it still exists, I think. It has nothing to do with anything. It has nothing to do with anything, but it was like, we need, no, I can't remember what they said, but it was really making fun of...

That was going up for a long time. They were like, they were, like, overdubbing, like, this one clip of a movie. Exactly, exactly. With this one with with the morbid angel, right? Maybe they also did the same for that way. Yeah, probably. Yeah. I just see it as, as something that It became, it's really funny because things are trends, things become trends very, very easily.

Yeah. And especially with this, I mean, you know, this is new technology in the MySpace. Everybody can talk, everybody can talk to each other and stuff and say what they want from the comfort of their, you know, rooms, living rooms, basements, you know, tree houses. So if I think that-house, yes. So I, it seemed like it was kind of a trend to hate on that.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, because like people are like, yeah, you know, A lot of people over the years and, you know, it's been a while now, it was just come up to us and go, you know, by the God, I don't hate that album. It's pretty. Why you is? It's actually my favorite. I actually, you know, it became like, and so it's peer pressure and you're like, yeah, you know, listen to it like, I hate it too, you know, but it was, it was weird. We were just the right scapegoats for, for, for that time because lots of bands tried the clean vocals after and, you know, didn't get the backlash. It was a combination of multiple. Multiple members leaving, you know, and coming in, coming out.

And then it's hard to say exactly what. It was a departure for sure. Clean singing percentage would be maybe seven, ten. Not even. At the most, you know. But yeah, it was, we were trying to refine ourselves, actually, and tried something that didn't work for some and did for others. it is what it is it's music yeah once uh once it becomes a trend the internet just takes over right

right right right or wrong and uh i totally understand that feeling it happens yeah it happened i know that you guys yeah resonated with the same situation yeah but you handle it better no we we we said it fuck you we uh we had a member i guess now now we haven't only spoken about it but now it's since uh we could relate on it uh and now it's past is we had a a particular member I'm not I'm not gonna call him out I want to

like re-re-protect him so it was Facebook so he was going on Facebook just blasting people blasting people hey you're your baby's ugly or something like

so for me like you know you know you know your band members so to you was like a funny joke yes but the internet we were talking about that yesterday but the internet sees oh you're fucking don't appreciate your fans

but to me it was like oh he's just that's just someone being idiot but I was to me I woke a blast him And then they I got explained like the severity of it. Mm-hmm. So no, the people are, think you're serious.

The content. And we're gonna take that and rolling away. Oh, shit. Was pulling a Jay and Salon Bob? Yes. Yes, that was a big joke that we had back in the day too. The Jay and Silen Bob were like, yeah. He has like the big list where he shows up at everyone's house.

Yeah, kicks them in the balls or kicks them in the balls or something or beats them up. Yeah. Chris, Chris, uh, should talk about the unspoken king because he's definitely still not a fan. Well, I mean, oh, really? It is where it is where it is, but no, it's not a fan. No, it's not a fan. It's not my thing. I mean, I don't, there's some good parts, you know, but I feel it was written in such,

what's that word is not sporadic, but just fragmented. Yeah, fragmented, basically. And I believe, like, some ideas were just, okay, let's just put those together because maybe I was not really involved into the writing that much, you know, so that's... Now, it took a long time for Chris to take ownership of cryptopsy, and that's a big, big difference to what's happening now over the past decade to what was. happening to our first decades in the bands where for our first decade in cryptopsy it was always Flo's band and it was a big thing up until Chris finally took ownership.

This is that was my bad now. Not my band, but it's, but you always say, well, you do what you want is your band. No, it's our bad. We had many, many late night fights about this. So once that switch happened, it's just that I just thought that the unspoken King was not the record. I was a big cryptopsy fan before, and I wanted to hear that.

Yes. And I was like, fuck, that's not what I want to hear of a clitopsie record. It's crazy how you came into it as a fan first. Yeah, so I was like, I was a big fan of Whisper Supremacy. I was like a huge fan of Whisper. It was not so Val came in after, but for me it was whispered supremacy. So I wanted to have that chaotic craziness, and this is what I want to have.

And I was like, it's a bit too safe or not crazy enough. It was not safe at all because of the clean voice. but I mean music-wise, I want to have more traps, more crazy riff, weird time signatures, you know. So when John came back and he basically took complete control of the Cryptopsy self-title with flow. That's when you found your voice, right? That's when I became a bit more better of a death metal vocalist, yes, after having toured for three years at that point and experimented with deepening my voice and trying different ways of mess. only way to practice extreme vocals properly is on a stage, I find. Everyone says their car, the shower.

I have way more experimental fun on stage with the flapback of the reverb and stuff like that, and that's when I could discover new stuff. But John coming in and taking complete control didn't allow him to claim ownership. So once John left, he had no choice but to step up. You got a fucking step up, dude. Yeah, he did. It was cool that was able to pick up his brain, you know? Yes.

And I understood like, okay, this is why, how he thinks about those riffs and how to create those things. And also just when he was teaching me those old riffs, I was like, okay, this is, I understand you have to think reverse. Basically you have to, nothing is normal when you play the guitar. They're all weird, dude. So he doesn't, he would write a riff front words and then learn it backwards, and that's why it sounds weird because that's what he did. What? He would write a riff. Sometimes you could do this.

You could try to write a riff and you just like try to write it and just, oh, let's just see how it's going to sound if you do everything reverse. And then, okay, yeah, that's a lot of times. There's a lot of cryptops thing. Yeah. For sure, for sure. It was always a and the shrinking grows kind of thing, you know, where the roof being on the show or kind of like the dream theater is.

Mm-hmm. He was a huge, he was a huge street theater fan. Yeah. Damn. And to, to close off this, this particular record, I understand also. Also, there's always, I understand also how impossible it is to explain your inner personal band dynamics to the world. It's almost impossible. I've been trying for five years.

It's almost impossible. But all people have is the music and Cryptopsy is one of those bands on the list of metal bands where you're doing something first or like undoubtedly one in the first. So you're in this position where, okay, bands are copying this. copy my style, we kind of need to do something different. So bands that come second don't understand that. So I kind of understand maybe besides any kind of band drama, which I totally get well, like musically, why you have to do something sometimes, you know?

And so I mean, you know, it's not personally, not my favorite record, but I back why you guys did it because I understand. And sometimes you got to write music to write, okay, what's the next record going to sound like? I'm after this and then went after. So I think it was... It's true. It's happening right now, funny.

You gotta do it sometimes. It's happening right now because I find like we just released two records so close to each other. I feel like not the writer's block, but it has to be different. I cannot just write the same record again. Cryptopsie never rested on their laurels. They could have just done Nunso Vile Part 2. They didn't. They did something completely different.

That was very shocking to fans, but they could have been that band that just dropped none so vile one two three four like other extreme death metal bands yeah and have hypothetically just blown up even bigger than they they were back in the 90s what was so what was the record for you christian that i was okay now now i'm like i feel like i'm a part of the band well the tomes were were definitely uh started that the tone ones and two i think that's the apis like that was uh some something where i was like okay those riffs are starting to sound like like cryptopsie and I wrote them, that's good. But I do believe like, honestly, like as Gummore or Burns sounds more like a cryptopsy

record in my opinion. Yeah. So now like it's just the challenge to try to, as I said, create something as interesting but different. And, and. That's the challenge. Every time. That's the challenge.

And you have to make it sound like cryptopsy too, not too far off. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, um, that's the process. This is what I, see, I'm listening to something right now, and it's just four different songs, and I'm getting tons of ideas.

But I have to, because Chris and I do a lot of the writing together, and I just have to now try to convey these ideas as a drummer, not a guitar player. Oh, yeah. It's a beautiful thing to watch the two of them communicate together, because he'll just hum things that don't necessarily make musical sense, and he'll be like, dude, he's like, dude, Or he'll be like, dude, that makes no sense.

And you know, like, what about this? And you're like, that's exactly what I want. Yeah. Yeah. But it's funny. After like, you know, 20 plus years of this lineup being the most solid that Kripopsy has ever been and on the same page more so as well. Pandemic really?

Ever been. Um, it's becoming a little bit easier to write. Yeah. Yeah. It is. There was this early argument about Flo wanting to jam old school, him wanting to be in a studio and just write riffs and that was like a big early dynamic adjustments yeah and then i'm for them to work together i'm too old to argue so he won it's funny because right now

i feel like i want to go back to the jam everything is cyclical yeah everything comes back and comes around at least once it's totally twice but definitely during the pandemic we were we had done a nice solid touring cycle in 2019 where we did like a full europe a full U.S. We went to Asia for the first time. Sick. And then we were going to bunker down. And little did we know how much we were going to hunker down

to write what would become Asgamora Burns. And we were really fusioned at that exact moment. And it helped us going into the pandemic. Because we were literally in a cabin in the woods for a month, for a week, sorry, writing when the whole world shut down. Damn. Which was very ominous of a landscape to be writing. what became askemore birds.

What's happening? Weather wasn't great either. No, it was in the middle of winter. It was... It was brutal. It's like, oh, oh, oh, the world. I guess we'll write rifts. We'll write the end of the world riffs.

So that's what we did. And then it's just, it really just brought us tighter together and the communication became better. Oh, it's awesome, man. And then once the album came out, we toured it crazily and we just haven't stopped. And we had this mandate of dropping a record within two years, which is not something that's happened since the 90s for for Cryptopsy.

Yeah. It was hard work, but we got it done, and it seems to be paying off. Damn. The idea, I call it the Appandi. That isolation help people. Help me.

Because that, well, you can't, like, you could use making music and touring as a form of escapism. And when you're forced to kind of chill, communication starts coming up. And then you guys,

like, who are you? You got to start talking about stuff. And what is, what is it band was? It kind of sounds like, and might have in a weird way helped. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. I mean, I think we probably saw each other more because of that. But then I took off and it just clicked back. It was just, you know, like, you know, we saw also people coming to more shows because people had been secluded from that. And they were hungry to come back to that and stuff. And it's just motivating, you know. I'm not saying it's a good thing.

what would happen, I don't think it is, it's a terrible thing, but we made the best out of it. That we could. And then the band came out of it stronger. Yeah. That's great. That's awesome. Writing sessions on Zoom sucked. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Really bad. We tried that a few times.

Especially with my up in the mountains shit internet. Yeah. What's really interesting about UFlo is, or also, I mean, any, like, musician or artist, it's like, you have like your go-to, this is why I started playing drums, this is why I started singing. These are my influences. You don't have any influences.

And even when you were, like, recording non-so vile, you weren't even passionate about drums yet. You were just, you're just kind of more like a hobby. It was just good at it. Which is interesting, because the way it sounds, which then bands would end up copying you after, It's kind of a weird, I guess not weird, it's just different, like, oh, he didn't have, like, a set. This is my fucking drummer. This is my top five drummers. This is my band.

You just, you were just playing me. Because you're learning, like, just one record, right? At the beginning, at the very beginning, I was learning the necrosis original record from Mike Atkins. Set off the Mike Atkins. I mean, I had to, and I'd never done. covers before and I rarely did it did a few just to have fun with some some friends and stuff but i wasn't the cover person yeah you know what i mean but on the influences yeah i i have too many to mention too many that's that's the thing okay what i what i did instead of focusing on a couple

or even one drummer you know if you want to sound like neil pert and you all you listen to is neil pert you're going to be like neil pert number two you know you're not going to be uh you know your own self so So I just took all these different pieces, parts and pieces. Oh, this is a great drummer. You know, this is a great band. I look, vocals, too. I listen to vocals and guitar a lot. And I just try to use those for my own creativity to put into my call it.

I called it the Cryptopsy mounting pod or the Flomeney melting pot. And then I just sip what comes ever out of it. But I've hundreds of thousands of different influences. Absolutely. But it's true back in 96. if you could have been a pro skater versus what you, the path you took, you would have taken the pro skater route.

Yeah, and so I started falling and hurting myself more and more. And I'm like, I'll stick the drums. But that was like an equal passion for you. Um, yeah, it was. Yeah, yeah. It absolutely was. And, um, you know, uh, different, different things too when I was, when I was younger. Um, but, I only started getting passionate. would I could actually feel groove and feel the drums and be able to do the rudiments I wanted to and have that snare pop and sound the way I wanted to when I wanted to when it was fast

when it was slow and have little nuances of all those different influences that I loved come into my playing you know but I kind of like fell in love with the drums and now it's just kind of like a love-hate relationship yeah yeah So, but you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, that's, that's, that's that's what I've been trying to do for a long time is just to be as consistent as possible every day and it's not easy the older you get. Um, and then for some things it is. Like some things for me are much easier than they were 20 years ago, you know, um, and

then some aren't and it's, that's the learning process. It, it, it never gets old. There's always something you can learn, you know, so. Always, always. But I don't strive to be like, you know, you know, like I used to you like the clinician and then you know have my face everywhere and like you know he's doing a clinic with this or I don't you know it was on YouTube I don't do any videos anymore I mean I did one. That was the OG that was the DVD that he dropped there where before anyone was

doing instructional extreme metal drumming videos and he's the first and then that's one of the first for sure yeah yeah yeah before YouTube and all that shit is it that's it that's it the one yeah The amount of people that worship that and that are touring right now are probably very, very high. When has come out? 2005. Oh, wow. Yeah. It's like right before YouTube.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You had two good years. I was at the post office every day. Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah.

Fugge shitting it. Oh, yeah. From flow. Mm-hmm. Right from Mirabelle, Quebec. all across the globe. Yeah, yeah. It was cool.

But yeah, I mean, it's, I still love, I mean, I still love being. You should bring it back. This? Yeah. He still has some. Merge table. Put it. I mean, yeah, that's, that's, well, we have.

We have in the past. I don't know if I have any more, I think I have a couple more boxes. But, I mean, yeah, we, it's been around. Yeah. I think he's still order it from, from somewhere on our board. Bank camp, I think. Bank camp, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Dan, when you're, so I found out about Cryptopsy from Amp3.com. Oh, really? Yeah, remember that website? No, say it again. MP3.com. That sounds familiar. No.

I thought you were, out of all people, know, MP3.com. I found out. I found out of death funnel on there. Do you? Yeah. It sounds familiar, but I mean, I was like, just kind of old school. I still, like, did the CDs and stuff. But, um.

When, uh, what made you fire? Can just it just to close off like the drumming subjects I know you're probably sick of talking about it Well like that's what I'm here for brother Thanks man I mean I mean I'm cryptopsy influenced suicide silence a bands I've been on here and talked about your drum and hey Like we had the environment and Brad is like you know I did research on him and found out oh yeah I was just listening cryptopsy now I would blast beat You know how so coming from the source like So non so vile or those early records I what how How were you, what made you blast that way?

Oh, that's a great question. Yeah, why did, why did you do that? Because my guitar player was a terrorizer, that's why. No, Steve Thibo, I was the youngest guy in the band, right? And vice versa now. That's an ego check for sure. The new kid and stuff, and these guys were just like, they were always trying to push the boundaries,

just like Triptops has always been trying to. to push the boundaries, you know? Right now we're prying the portion of great songs. Oh yeah. You know, I mean, something that's cohesive. But back then, I mean, back then too, but they're like, okay, go a little bit faster, a little bit faster, and they're really annoying.

I was like, really annoyed. And I just, I spazzed out, you know, when I could, when I was a kid. You're spazzing out. Spazzing out. And they're like, ugh, that. And then you were like, God damn, and how I have to do this for my life.

And so for years, I was like spazzing out. You know, I was just like, it was nerves. was like completely never. No control. No control. Blascaume made flesh. It's like one foot doing the blast beats. Oh, wow.

And then technique and like, you know, the stress of having to spaz out all the time took over. And I tried to make my life easier and do the proper techniques. But at first it was just like a spas out, you know, both hands together. Kind of like a bomb blast, but super fast. Yeah. Oh, is this? Was this before gravity blasting was out? Oh, yeah.

So it's not a gravity. It's not a gravity. Yeah, you're not like trying to do a gravity, but you're like, you're, you're trying to play this is, we're trying to play this fast as fast as far as can right now. Right, right, right. We call it a hyperblast. Yeah, but that gives me an idea for the next record is bring back spasm. Bring back spasm. It's like, it's like you're like putting like all your cells and bones into it. You're like trying to bring back.

Yeah. That's that's, that's getting older. Yeah, man. That's what it was. It's a funny story because I was, because I love those guys. We, we, we hurt each other, man. Yeah. I mean, insult-wise, it was just glorious. Like, take a load of this, you know, and oh, yeah. Half of us come home crying after a jam.

He's not joking. We push each other. And then sometimes I forget that, too. And I can be very hard because I just came from that old school of tough, tough love, you know. But yeah, but love and respect is important and that should be first and foremost and then the music Yeah, love first and then and then music. Yeah, not everyone uh, I I did the same thing where I assume everyone's kind of like thick skin so I'll start I will start talking shit as like a joke because this is how my my brain goes I'm 40 so I'm part of the last

Like we're born of that kind of so I was like oh shit don't not everyone talks like this so I have like you know I have like a new filter Right. So I'm a little bit more tender. You know, okay, this person can handle my shit talking, so I'll talk shit all, like to them. Our bands, our drummer. Yeah. It was like, he has thick skin, so I always talk.

I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, oh, you're fucking drumming sucks. And, like, you know, but it's like, it comes from my, it comes from my heart. Yeah. And you're doing it just to show him love. Yeah. But it pushes you too. Yes. There's something about it, though.

It may, is this fucking, and he'll say, like, oh, you're fucking right hand sucks. I'm like, fuck you, you're supposed to trouble. And sit at home and practice. I fucking hate drummers. Absolutely. Yeah. It's cool. One of my favorite things about Nunso Vile that Flo did is that he did a bunch of backups.

And there's some iconic screams on Nunso Vile that you think are Lord Worm, but they're flow. Oh, yeah. Really? Yes. Like the original opening scream of Crown of Four. Because we got like two inch tape, we just got us. We transferred it to Pro Tools. Oh, shit.

And I just decided to take a look at the files. And I was like, oh, snap, that's on Flo's track. It's not on Lord's track. Unbelievable. The amount of we looking at them and realizing and having, like, done the full album and learned it and performed it. So it's the opening one.

The original opening scream. Can we make Flo feel really nervous? No way. What time is it? Not this screen. That's from the Exorcist. Oh, is it? That's from the Exorcist.

Oh, shit. I didn't know that. Exorcist three. I know that. But we can't say too loud. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I said. Yeah.

And I was all... That's you? And I was... I never knew that. Yeah. Would always tail off with a... Oh, that was like kind of a mic patent thing as well. It's amazing how, like, so many...

So many iconic parts are like, oh, fuck, that's flowed too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so Steve wasn't on this, but Steve Tebow used to be really good at low growls, like, super at low growls. There's a lot of one. So he did on blasphemy, a lot of blasphemy. Yeah. I would be good at screaming.

because of the pain that they would put me through with the lights. Oh, yeah. Full spasm plus, of course, you. Yeah, exactly. Just fucking poking out you. I never knew that. Holy shit. There's a bunch of them.

I used to have the little, little mic thing. The little Britney Spears mic. Yeah, some guy, yeah, some guy, I can't remember his name, but two shows, like, the last show, I think, he's like. Why aren't you doing vocals anymore? Oh, who was it? With Rob? I think it was Rob. Yeah.

Yeah, it was Rob. So he goes, why don't you bring back the mic? I said, imagine in ears plus the thing. Oh, yeah. Plus the breathing. I should just get a football helmet and just have, you know. A little beer. Okay, so you had like the headset mic like.

Yeah, exactly. Really? Yeah, when I joined, he was doing that. Yeah. Bring it back, dude. See? I said anything back. When's this podcast?

Dude, bring it back. Dude, I bet people will fucking love it. Wait too much stuff to take care of. Just the in-hears in the saga we had. How does your body even do that when you're fucking like, when you're like spashing, out blasting and you're fucking screaming? I'm just, I'm just screaming. Some literal parts and stuff like that.

But I mean, it's just like guitar players or bass players or... The multitasking of the brain there. Or Karen Carpenter. That's too old for me. I'm sorry. Phil Collins. Who's that? The Carpenters?

Why do birds? Come on, man. She was a great super. Oh, okay. Oh, but she played drums. From, uh, from 1983. Come on. Oh, she passed away.

Oh, yeah. She had serious problems. 32. Yeah. But I mean, you know, um, the Eagles and rest. And people playing guitar and singing, like different patterns are just amazed me. I was just screaming like a spazzy kid. Man, man, you have a fucking crazy brain.

Cryptosia makes a lot of sense now. Do you sometimes you just learn it? Oh, yeah, great. I kind of like connect dots. Oh, it all, it all makes sense. Can't believe I just said like the Carpenter's on this. That's good. I'm happy to do.

And I stopped, right? Because I was gonna see it and know what I was gonna be like, What's the record? What's that? What's like the record to check out? The Carpenters? Yeah. Oh, I'm the best of, I guess.

Best of? Yeah, I mean, I didn't, you know, dive into every song and so I thought that, but I just respect her vocals and she's playing drums. I mean, and this is her brother? Yeah, is it, yeah, the Carpenters, yeah, I think, or were they married. Geez. Google.

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Wait, 91 pounds. 91 pounds she she began the still man diet what what is that still man diet no you know that is google i never heard of a steel man diet i'm i'm learning some stuff on this one eating eating meat drinking eight glasses of water a day and avoiding fatty foods she reduced her weight to 120 pounds so so what that's anorexia but then by 75 she was 91 pounds i can't And then 70, wow. But what a voice. I mean, an amazing voice and their drumming was just like, I mean,

Erexio. So 60s, 70s, one takes, you know, live, sick performers. All right, something you need to check out. Sure. Yeah. You really don't have to. No, we got it, man. New music.

New music is endless, man. It's not new. It's new to hear. It's new to me. All right. What was, one of my selfish questions for you, Matt, was, uh, What was the hardest part for you joining Cryptopsy with such high pressure of replacing Lord Warren? Oh, I was totally not ready because unlike Chris, I wasn't a huge Cryptopsy fan.

I knew who the band was. I wasn't into death metal. Metalcore kid. I knew the band was a successful band from Montreal because I would see them walking in the halls of the famous band rehearsal space. Citi D'Amil in two mountains. So I would see them pass and it'd be like, oh, there they are, you know, the ones that made it. So when I finally got, I got the gig

on my 24th birthday. And then the band didn't do anything for seven or so months. And I kept calling them and being like, are we gonna jam? Because I used to jam like three times a week with my other band and here I joined this new band and they don't jam. And then basically it was like, we're going on tour.

So the pressure was amazing. because first off, selfishly, I thought I was going to be really good. Oh, yeah. No, no, I was terrified that I didn't know what I was doing. I knew the lore of Lord Worm was heavy and important. I knew that the fans were probably disappointed yet again, that he left again. Sure. So when I entered the studio to record The Unspoken King, I really just gave in my all.

I had candles. I was trying to be as brutal and as evil as I could be at that exact moment of my life and it sort of didn't work out for me. What's up the candles, dude? I don't use candles anymore. Yeah. And then we toured it and I think I was just mostly worried

about letting the band down and disappointing the band that really took a chance on me. But luckily the band always stood behind me and was there with me, and Flo was always in my corner, pushing that I was the right guy for the job. So as I found my voice for the self-titled, I really just, it came from just me being far more comfortable

with the technique, with the genre. And then when I really, really got comfortable and really found my voice was on Asgamora Burns is when I switched techniques completely, and it just came from tour, and messing around with my voice and happy accidents and finding something that was just much more relaxed and in control and really just allowing the air flow

to let my flesh vibrate and create the sounds that I needed to without having to force it so much and hold it and push it and try to be as brutal as I have to be to live up to everything Worm did and Mike DeSavo did before me in Mathé la Cue. So it was just time and I was lucky that they granted granted me the time to to get there it takes time yeah you know it took 10 years if not more to develop my death metal vocals into what they are right now wow well Lisa you we were willing to put up the time and you had a band that was willing to exactly very very lucky yeah yeah during

yeah during the time very very fortunate honestly that's cool yeah you got a you got to you got to you got to support the singer you know you do yeah say you know you know give you a fucking few records, man. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't fucking worry about it. No, he's new he edited him anyways, but I liked his voice from the past, his voice from the present. I mean, you know, he's a great vocalist, you know, and a great guy, so.

My vocal puppet, as I call it. I, a vocal puppet. Because that is how we work, like, I'll sit with Chris, I'll bring my lyrics, and Chris will plan out the whole vocal structure of a song. Oh, wow. He'll whisper track it, and then I'll just have to perform it. You do that, you do this, yes, good. Yeah, because I'll send them pre-prot of my vocal

recorded and we'll sit together and he'll be like this is absolutely horrible. Yeah. Back to that I tough love again. Oh yeah, yeah. But in a different way where he's like, that's garbage. This is garbage. This is okay. And then he restructures everything and I just have to learn it on the spot.

Okay. I'll say please at least. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were, we got to, it's long days, but we get through them very nicely together. Please, please try that. How do you, Chris, how do you stay, Matt, thank you for sharing that. Of course. I know it's tough.

How do you stay objective when you're working on your own band? I always want to ask someone this. What is, what is the difference from working with a different band, but now it's your band? It's not easy, but the best way, I think, is to ride something really fast and then forget about it. And then you listen to it again, and then you know if it's good or bad. Oh, okay. So you're like, oh, no, that's crap, no. Or if it does something to you, yeah, okay, maybe it's worth, like, working on it,

and make it better. And then, and that's my best way to make it, like, objective, you know? So it's like if I listen to it, like, for the first time, basically. So whatever you do, you just do it kind of quick. And if it works with you, if it resonates with you, that when, once you forgot about it, yes, it's good. And it's worth, like, taking the time to tweak it and make it better. So this is how I do it.

And also, I, I hate everything. So he is the number one hater. So, it's good to happen a base. One hater in your band, it's so important. It is. Yeah. It protects the band at a high level.

Don't do this. It sucks. He texts me in the middle of the night after we had already submitted Asgamora Burns, like months after we submitted it. And he just went, dude, I didn't think about Asgonorrhea Burns. They're going to say it. The haters are going to call it Asgonorrhea Burns. Yeah.

I can't believe I didn't think about it. But now, because of that, they will. Absolutely. Here we go. And we'll make a t-shirt. There you go. You know I like to make t-shirts. What about, like, mixing and reducing in particular?

Like, you... Your own band? Yeah. That's a tricky one. It's always a tricky one, especially that I try to, like, be out of the equation myself when I'm mixing my own record, because you don't want to have, like... Basically, I've just asked, Flo, do you like the drum tone? Yes?

Okay, we're good. So the mix is done. I wouldn't want to hear guitars more of them. Yeah, I agree. He does always ask to have other things be louder. Yeah, it's true. Do you want that to, yeah. But you know, like, the way he likes,

the way is there popping, you know, I kind of like it the same way, so that's good. So we just... You've also been mixing him for many, many years, so you know what he likes at this moment. Many, many projects. Yeah, you want of projects, we work on so many things. So you try not to overthink it, really.

You try to like... It's just funny, because, You know, when you're doing things, you're just doing things. You don't think about it. But after, it's just like when it's close to the finish line, this is where the questions are starting to pop. You're like, oh, oh, maybe this, maybe that, or maybe that was wrong. But when you just, once you're getting there, it's easy. It's just that last few of it, last tweak that it's always.

We're almost there. I mean, it's there. It's funny because I have a saying that I'm saying to everybody when I'm working on a record, on any record. The first three mixes I make, I make it for myself. The, let's say the next 10 is for the band, and the last 50 revision is for one dude. It's always like, yeah. Well, Chris, you come a long way.

You've been recording mixing band since 18, correct? Oh, since 1999, basically. Yeah, wow. It's a while, man. It was just 666 reverse. It's awesome. Is it? Started in your bedroom, made your way into the, your parents garage.

Bedroom garage and now the new studio. Yeah. It's fun. A fun journey. Yeah. The journey's still going. It's still going. And, uh, uh, flow, uh, there sounds like there was like a point where like, you, you drop the ego.

Was that in my, in my, in my right there? I don't think, I don't think anybody could fully drop an ego. I mean, I'm also, I have ego as well. took me a while to like, oh wait, this is what this is. Yeah. Let's start listening to people or at least be open-minded. There was a point where I started listening a lot more than talking. When was this?

Mid-40s. Wow. Yeah. I really started analyzing. And it was really weird because it was a good thing and a bad thing because I learned, I don't know. I'm, you know, I'm not, I don't like to, to talk too much, you know what I mean? I love people. I love our fans and I love our bandmates, my wife or family.

But I, I'm, I kind of like to be in my own head often. Yeah. So I, I guess, I mean, dropping an ego, like I said, I mean, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm never satisfied with what I do 100% and I never will be. and it's that constant kind of like trial and error and trying things and doing things so it's like the best that it can be for what for what we do because i you know i do look those side projects but i don't plan on you know um anyways um i just i'm just a little bit calmer if you wish so not as much of a spas it sounds like it took you a long time to the egos doesn't spazz out that much anymore and when I say that much I mean it not as often yeah yeah it's too it's always there it's like it's this right it's always wants to fucking say that yes yeah but but I mean you know I hear that you know you must hear this all the time but you don't like people don't have to say that it's it feels good to be praised and it feels good to do

something that's positively reactional so yeah no all good Congrats, man. Thank you. Better, like, than ever. Thanks for doing this and supporting us. I'm honored, man. Amazing questions and your research and stuff. Anytime.

Yeah, I mean, not to go too far into it because we don't have a lot of time. Yeah, we've been trying to make this happen for a few years now. So I'm honored. Thank you very much. I'm honored to hang out with a cryptopsy. No, the pleasure is ours. It's cool, man. And real quick, Box and Hopps.

Yeah. Podcast. Yeah. Um, on, on a date with, for your wife's birthday, 2018. Yeah. And the, and the idea sparked, correct? Because I needed something because Chris's studio is always running full speed. He's always busy, exciting projects.

Ollie had just joined cattle decapitation that year. And then Flo was driving me home from a band practice. And he goes, found that new singer for, for this new band I got with Ro. And then he told you the name. It's David Vincent, a morbid angel. And I was like, God damn it. I need to find something for me, something that I could do with when my boys are busy so that I'm not jealous of them because I knew that I would be. Oh, wow.

So I go on this date with my wife for her birthday and we talked it out. At the time, I was listening to a lot of podcasts. And it just seemed to make sense. I was that person on a tour bus that would sit next to someone that I didn't know and just ask questions and have deep conversations and make good connections with people. and I love craft beer. So I put the two of them together. It's like musicians and cars getting coffee, except it's musicians and bars drinking craft beers.

So I ran Vox and Hops for seven years. I dropped 500 episodes. And now the band is so busy that I put it on a hiatus about a year ago and I honestly haven't missed it for a day. But I always do say this and I'll say it to your face is that if I do come back, I want to come back like this, face to face in the studio and do it proper. Cool.

you're doing it the best. Oh, yeah. Appreciate that, man. It's cool. Well, since we're up, is there anything? So I have two more,

uh, self, his questions. Anything that I might have missed about the, because me doing, kind of popping into your, the world of cryptopsy, there's really not a lot of information

about the ban. I don't know that that was purposely done. So, so, I think it's sort of standoffish. And Flo's definitely standoffish about personal information. I'm like that with my family on the internet.

So, It could just be like a culmination of that. Sure. I like the right amount of exposure, but not over exposure. Okay. I learned that from cinematography class. Photography classes. The right amount of exposure, not over exposure.

See what I put it. Okay. I never... Hold on with the buckets, the photo inside there in the dark room. Oh, it's just joking. Oh, it's shit, okay. There's some, there's always something to be. said about, you know, privacy and mysticism and not, you know, puking out all your life

for people to see. There's none of us in the band are like that on socials where we just divulge everything about our day. It's just not our style of, we have all the media people that are like, we gotta get on TikTok. Oh, gosh. We're just old and we're trying. Yeah.

And then mysticism, I think, is important. I mean, it's something I miss from the 90s. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I remember that first Slip Not Show I went to and all I had was the booklet and then they came out and they just melted my mind. Oh, yeah. That's something that new generations have less of. Totally.

Yeah. Yeah, there's like this subconscious pressure of like just always being out there. You got to post on this, post on that. Yeah. There's a lot of stories too these days. Like bands have a lot of, you know, there's a lot of drama that happens. and I feel that feeds more, it becomes more important than the music itself, you know?

You know, there's some, a lot of, like, this singer did that, this happened, and then they just talk about that a lot. Like, Lamb goat is the best for this. They love it. They love it. Blabbermouth. But I feel like the music is important. Just stuff, like, we're not, like, in a soap opera.

It is just play music. You know, I was just thinking of that yesterday, like, oh, maybe if I created this drama, it would help sales. uh flows flows top five worst drummers that'll be a sick go dude god that'll be a sick lip dude myself number one

yes oh yeah of course it's cool man uh actually since we're on the that subject since uh what's like the I'm going I'm going off the cuff here what is like it could be one it could be a top three it could be like three to four five what are like the in your eyes

I mean throughout the span of your whole career could be in the 90s could be now recent or a whole span like what are the what are the drummers for people to check out or someone think your your personal best drummers in the death metal scene in the death metal scene there's so many oh my god um could be one two top five top top ten i mean i love them all i love john i don't i shouldn't even say yeah i shouldn't even say last names anymore but uh i love derrick you know i love george I love Gene. And, I mean, there's so many, you know, gay,

there's so many, it's hard to say. But if I had to say something that, that, the drummer that I listen to a lot, and it have been over the past 15 years, it would be Eric Moore. Eric Moore. Oh, yeah. He's like a gospel guy, but he played for suicidal tendencies and stuff.

I just find that he's, you know, and I'm just overall, just perfect like his sound is is amazing me you know like I heard more sick dude that's four arms yeah I mean yeah that's I'm not gonna go into the physiognomy because we have a sound check but I mean physiognomy are drummers but yeah um you know stuff like that and in death middle I mean who was who was the guy the young guy that Alex was it um we just toured with Ben from cognitive yes Alex Yes.

Norse, I think is a thing. Yes. You know, great. I mean, you stomach because my, my brain is okay, but it's not great. It's working, dude. No, you gave us like a fucking top thing seven. Thanks, man. Did I?

Yeah, it is. But it's not top. You see, this is what I'm saying. It's all mixed up. That's our job. We get it and then we'll, okay, this is, then we'll make it. Yeah, and that's why I don't talk too much because Flo said that Gene was better than George. Damn it, no.

That's our clip, I'm sorry. It's all good. That's cool, man. Okay. I know you guys got, we got a run. So this is always the closing question.

How should we do this? Because it's always two, like, one or two people. I guess as a, what are three albums for people to check out? And maybe we should do it. Maybe you guys all choose one, maybe. Sure. So what's,

what was the purpose of them checking it out? Like from Cryptop? No, it could be any genre, could be any year. So what's one record for people to check out? Yeah. I'm going to go back to that thing that shocked me. I still go back to it. I still listen to it.

Antichrist superstar. Oh, yeah. That's hot. That record's horned up, dude. I still love it. I think that record covered horned me up too. Yeah, I still love it. Both sides of it too.

So sick. It is an incredible record. And you forget, man. No. But the riffs, the aggression, the sound. It made me afraid as a child, and I think that's exciting. Oh, yeah. And it makes you question things.

It makes you think. Yeah, definitely that's mine. But also the music is simple and sick. Yeah, I guess I never really thought about it. It's a great record. I like it. It sounds great, and I mean, the ideas are great. It's funny because, like, I'm very scared of answering that question.

I don't know. There's so many great records out there. You got to pick one, dude. Pick one. It's easy to say Pantera, because it's easy to say that. I would say that, but I believe that's probably what influenced me the most. But what changed my life, I would have to... My God, I don't know.

There's like three at the same level, but let's say ministry, Psalm 69. Okay. It's a... Ministry, this is the first. I thought you were going to say any broccoli. Maybe. but it's so it was exactly same thing it was dark and it was scary very very scary what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what was it's it called again I'm sorry Psalm 69 oh yeah that's a word that's a suck eggs it was so scary in the industrial part I didn't know what it was like what uh it was very scary and like the samples from movies that was amazing not some movies like alter states that was amazing And it was just scary.

Overall scary. And I was like, yes, I want to be scared. Basically. Oh, yeah, scary. That record covers a back is kind of weird. And the back story. If you read this, if you read like Jorgensen's, what do you call it, biography, it's, it's insane.

How they recorded that record, it was really insane. Yeah, he has a book checking out. Oh, shit. I didn't know that. Hmm. Is that a chick? I think so. Chick-Torea?

Who is that? Oh, that I don't know. We gotta find out. Yeah, a great answer. Thanks. All right, flow. You had time to think. You did.

Don't fucking piss me off, dude. I wasn't listening to anything you guys were saying. I'm just thinking because if I mixed up everything and then I, okay, uh, faith no more, it would be, uh, king for a day, full for a lifetime. Nice. Yes. Absolutely. That's how my game changer.

My top five, that too. Game changer, made Lord Worm want to kill all of us in the van on a Canadian tour. We had to chase after him because he was going to a lake on top of a mountain, maybe to end it. Wow. No, I'm joking. Oh, sure. But I mean, we did so, like, we did like to say, let's go visit this lake. We walked so fast because he was mad and then we came back down and we talked it out and it's fine.

But I think I, I used up the tape because it was a cassette tape at the time that I had. came out in 95. So yeah, the timeline checks out. Oh, it does. Yeah. Amazing vocal performance. Amazing musicians, amazing people. Just, um, this, this is, this is when, when pop and rock started shifting to these screams

and, you know, far more aggressive. And this is when he started to experimentally all out with, like, other projects and blah, blah, blah. And, I mean, everybody knows Mike Patton, you know, he's a legend. So, yeah, I guess one of them, yeah. That's great. That's a great three records to check out. Do you remember what you and Lordworm fought about?

Back in the day? No, that particular moment. Oh, me just over playing that. I have a tendency to overkill stuff. Oh. A lot of people have a song per tour. A lot of people do. It depends on the level of the alcohol in my body.

Yeah. The more there is, the more there's overkill, right? So no, but we, I mean, the whole band liked it, but he really did not at first, you know? And we just, oh, look, this is a new tape. So Montreal, we're going across Canada, right? So Montreal to Lake Louise. It's a four or five day.

Four or five day trip of just that album, practically, though. Oh, well. Maybe not, but I mean, you know, it played at least 10 times. And at that point, he just, which I understand. Drummer's will, we'll get tested. Hey, man, the guitar player was involved too. It wasn't just me.

Okay, okay, okay, all right. All right, cool. Where can people find you guys? Cryptopsy official on Instagram. Same on Facebook. Cryptopsy.c.a will redirect you on Facebook. Bandcamp and that's about it. There's also Christianeltson.ca.

Yes. And then obviously. Recording purposes. Yes. If you want to get a great production done, you go see Chris. Christianvenvenson. Yes.

Yes. Exactly. Cool. And check out, The record's a year old. Just so, yes, almost, yeah. Okay, cool. Well, you got, you guys are writing the new one, right?

We are talking about it already. Oh, good, good. All right, still finding, still finding the sound. We are, it's a lifetime. We like to write on the road, so we have a bunch of days off on this one. So we bunker down into a hotel room and we torture ourselves by writing riffs. Oh, perfect. Matt, Chris, Flo, I'm on a modern man.

Thank you for your time. Very much. Thank you, very much. Thanks, guys. All right, everyone. That's it. Let me guys. If you want a $3,000 a month payday for life, what would you feel free to do? Maybe take a long weekend, every weekend, or try a bunch of new hobbies.

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