Garza Podcast - 242 - DEVOURMENT: Heaviest Band of All Time 2.0

Episode Date: July 20, 2026

Garza sits down in-person with Texas death metal band DEVOURMENT. Their new EP "Pious Impiety” out now! https://instagram.com/devourmentofficialWant more!? Support the podcast here: https://patreon.com/garzapodcast 00:00 - Pious Impiety EP06:00 - Serial Killers & Death Metal Connection09:46 - Behind the Lyrics11:06 - 30 Years of Devourment, Impact & Deep History13:39 - 89.3 KNON // Dave Chaos20:16 - Marvin Getting Into Guitar22:02 - Give Me Pinch Harmonics25:23 - Catalina Wine Mixer27:28 - Dave’s Bass Rig30:14 - Where Brad Was Really Born37:28 - Ruben Loves School41:20 - Advice for Vocalists46:00 - Best Death Metal Album Covers48:46 - Glen Benton & Deicide53:20 - Summer Slaughter59:12 - Marvin’s Solar Guitar1:04:46 - Amps, Tone & Settings1:12:27 - Ruben’s Microphone1:15:22 - Devourment’s 4 Albums to Check Out1:20:48 - Writing for Devourment

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I can't... Will Raymer, sorry. How come they only posted Rubin? You gotta scan through it. Oh, because he's the best-looking. You're gonna slide. It's a singer, dude. It's a singer, dude.

No one gets a fuck about us, dude. And that's the fucking harsh truth, Marvin. That's the hard truth. Yeah, re-laps is like, you know, picture of the vinyl and picture of the singer. Yeah, the singer is the face of the band, right?

And that, imagine what Bradfield's. Yeah, dude. Just fucking throw him in the back. Does I make him an end? the band i don't think there was a single picture there was that photo said he like replied and said i couldn't get one of everybody i was like all right you don't have a you can't zoom in on your camera who care it's fine dude i'm not vain enough that i need to be the face of everything like

if i if i was a drummer i'll be like put me in the front so it'll be like this way and the singer right up yeah everybody off to the side that would that'd be sick dude i've seen drummers that keep their like symbols like up so you can see for photography reasons oh yeah yeah yeah oh shit i think it was the bandagery their drummer used to like his his shit was like up here so you can see his face and like take pictures of him oh really he's like having to play all yeah man genies stuff when he was in dream theater too he's genius all right round two all right round two the varmint i am honored again once again to be hanging out with the whole band appreciate it Rubin

Brad Marvin Dave thank you for your time thank you man you guys all came here separately yes we did

travel arrangements yeah we're kind of strained but yeah we're good when did you guys get in yesterday yeah yeah nice gonna have a sick

LA gig that's the goal was that like a last minute thing kind of Rubin can probably explain that more yeah we Mortician was originally slated to play these two shows, and they were unable to do it for whatever health reasons, I believe.

Yeah. I happen to be dating their manager, so we were asked, hey, are we available? And so I got out to check, and here we are. Nice. Also, the timing, too. June 11th, you guys just dropped us. It was like a surprise EP, right?

Yeah, yeah, nothing was announced or anything. Whose idea was that? I think it was all of ours collectively. We just kind of, we wanted to record something and just kind of see how it went. You know, since we got Marvin now we're writing with him. And we wrote three songs and just turned out good. We went in the studio and recorded and we were just like, hey, anybody want to put this thing out maybe? And like we talked to Relapse and they were like super down and they had listened to it.

And the feedback was great. So we were just like, yeah, we'd love to work with you guys again. you know so we put this out and just drop it and see what happens I'm I'm taking a guess here pious and piety what he didn't let him guess what's the guess that was the guess that that was my guess how to say how to say pious and piety oh absolutely that is correct I've seen a bunch of people online saying pious impiety yeah I first said impede so pious and piety right okay yeah it's like pie and pie yeah the way it flows you know hair pious and piety He was going to say that.

Okay, let's get people some slams and confusion. Was that the goal? No, I just wanted to, I thought I was like saying, making something clever. Which is, pious means, like, godly and impiety means ungodliness. Oh, really? Like, godly ungodliness, yeah. Oh, shit, it's kind of like. Because he was, he's been going pretty hard with his lyrics lately, like, in the concept.

And he had, like, a idea, you know, the whole. you know, I guess Catholic Church kind of stuff, some, you know, things that we don't agree with, with organized religion and how we can kind of go against itself and that kind of thing. So I thought, yeah, the title explains kind of what it's about. Is the environment spiritual? As a whole, I would say probably not. I'd say no. But I would say I'm definitely spiritual.

I don't know about the other guys though. Yeah, very, very, I mean, religion and being spiritual is separate. I mean, sometimes they think it could be one, but... Right. Sure. No, D-Assad. No, I'm kidding. Then, it was a nice little, like, surprise, man.

It sounds awesome. Thanks, man. Yeah, there you go. So out now. Dio-Side day. But I know. Surprise slams. Yes.

Yeah, we... It wasn't even like an intended as a surprise thing. We just, like, we're just going about the motions and didn't realize until after everything came out. And, like, everyone was like, oh, yeah. Usually people go through a thing and like, hey, this is coming out. I didn't even think about it either. It just kind of came out and it was like, oh, I guess it is kind of a surprise. Because, yeah, we usually, there's usually a whole thing where, you know, pre-release and there's a shirt and package deal and all that stuff.

Those things on that and build up and all that. But we kind of did it backwards because we weren't on a label at the time we did this. And we just like said, hey, let's just. Make something, see if we dig it, and then shop it around, see what people think. And, you know, we talked to several people, and our old buddies at Relapse were the first ones, like, on board, like, they got it. And we're like, yeah, we, let's, you know, let's re-up our old relationship and do this for you guys. We'd be stuck to do it. And we're like, hell yeah.

That's great. Yeah. So we're doubling down on the fucking lyrics, right? Yeah. What's up? Okay, so you're, so you do a lot of reading on Ted Bundy, correct? Yes. Yes.

Are you just doing, like, research? Are you going to specific books? Documentaries. Documents. Documents? I mean, I've read up on Ted Bundy quite a bit. Ted Bundy, Domino, all that kind of stuff. And the way their mind thinks and, you know, the narcissism that's involved and everything else.

so unfortunately i mean that's why people are so fascinated with serial killers which maybe might even tie into death metal because even though it's so dark people these i mean these documentaries are massive chicks watch them yeah you know like what what do we why are we so drawn to like their their their their mind right yeah yeah i don't get it man i don't me either why it's like why do i watch him I don't know I watch I like to see the differences between their patterns and stuff like for instance like Ted Bundy he would swear up and down that you know he could get away with it you know he had no part of it he could get away with it where Jeffrey Dahmer is like I'm sick and I know I'm sick and I know I need fucking help so yeah oh what two different sides yeah I didn't

I don't realize that the Dahmer admitted that he was sick oh yeah like pretty much immediately wow what do you do man when you when you know you're you have this sickness and you can't wow you can't stop it now some of those guys like have like little cries for help or so they say sometimes that just never get heard what's his name um the california co-aid killer from i can't remember his name big tall dude edmund kemper oh yeah he turned himself in because like he was getting away with it so much he was like and he kind of felt the same way like he used a sickness and I was compelled to do it. I'm never going to stop.

So you guys are never going to catch me. So I'm just going to turn myself in before I keep doing it again. You know, so. Wow. And I think from a layman like me just, yeah, Edmund Kemper, co-ed killer, aka, I'm just fascinated, always fascinated, like how a person can, is already, has that in their mind that they're going to do these things,

that no one else, maybe in our worst, darkest moments, we thought of, you know, we all have invasive thoughts and think of bad things, but like, the distance between that and what they do and, you know, executing all that and planning it out and finding victims and the way they treat people or how they feel about people, like he was saying, the narcissism and the, you know, the psyche of that kind of person. How does that happen? It's such a sickness, yeah. Was it like a emotional block? Is it like a mental block? Yeah, you were saying like they like plan this that man you had time to like

stop and think about it but man you just you still did it like fuck dude yeah the amount of commitment to do that kind of thing is insane and much less to think you're gonna get away with it but you know forever some did I guess Zodiac and things like that

I always joke around with my lady it's kind of like a dark humor like you know sometimes like someone pisses you off on like the road or someone It's like, what if I just put my foot on the gas right now and just slam into their fucking car? Right. But you have like a little like invasive like, you know, okay, but something stops me. Okay, this isn't right. So I'm not going to do that.

But these people fucking go through with it. Yeah. It's crazy. And death metal is such a great outlet of a reality about the darkest, like reality. I think you guys really touch on the subject very, very well. Thank you, man. And I really appreciate that. Mm-hmm.

It means a lot to me. It's cool because, I mean, there's thought into it. And I heard you talk about how you actually put thought into, like, the, like, lyrics. You actually want to say something. Sure. Yeah, I don't want to, me personally, I don't want to say be on stage singing a bunch of stupid ass shit. So that's, you know, that's where my mind is. Yeah.

So, it's like, hey, man, I did research on. Absolutely. On this. Mm-hmm. And you also do research on medical supplies. medical stuff? Maybe, a little bit. Yeah, it's mostly a mental aspect.

Okay. You know, and it's all, every song is a story in itself. So, you know, I try to add little tweaks here and there to be like, the fuck, I wouldn't let this turn to this, you know. Yeah, and you said that the song title starts first, correct? Usually, yeah. Nice. Sometimes I have a title and I'll start writing the lyrics and I'll give them to Brad or

whatever and he'll read him. Why don't you think about changing it to this? And it's like, well, how about this? And then it turns into something else completely. So, yeah. Is it kind of a trip at how far you guys have come and like the genre as a go whole? Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. Me and him doing it since 97, whatever, 98, something like that, when it was still underground music, pre-internet, you know, yeah to see what bands are doing with it today and exploring slam or heavy music

brutal death metal room is cool what does it change that the main change that you guys have seen what have you seen marlin because you guys have been in it for so fucking long dude

I always tell people like there's a big difference between 99 and 2000 like it says it's different humans yes and it's great and it's kind of you know it's a

It's going to evolve, right? It can't just stay the same for 25 years or whatever. You know, other bands like you guys, Death Corps bands, took some of the things we did and explored it in a certain way and, you know, added hardcore elements to it. And then, you know, nowadays there's, you know, the obvious bands peeling flesh

and fans like Sing Singe-Bog and some other ones that do Brutal Death Metal mixed with Slam and some hardcore stuff in it. And it's kind of, grown into this whole genre that i guess kids are finding out about you know more about through those newer bands younger bands and it's cool because like we all you know either influence each other or listen to each other or fans of each other and know each other pretty well so it's like a still kind of a tight-knit scene of bands because it's still extreme music you know that's still

sort of niche within metal even you know none of us is you know metallic or megal death or the land of God, that kind of thing. But yeah, it's cool that people are interested enough this long that we did this thing way back when to take kind of that prototype and do something else with it. That's really cool. It's dope. Yeah, dude, that's, yeah. Because, like, what's the worst thing?

Like, as an artist, again, I've said this before us, that's the greatest compliment is that enough people like you that they start emulating you, the whole copying or, I'm not copying per se but like in you know doing what you do in serious form of flattery because they liked it enough to go

I want to do that to you you know that's and I want to do it this way so that's that's awesome I might draw my memory if I'm not sure

if we covered it on on round one but you heard of Rubin you heard a divirement on the radio correct K-N-O-N-N-N was it a it was it a

It was 89.3, correct? Wow. Yes. Wow. Was it still, was it Thrashing Allen? Or no? So the one I heard it on was the host. Close.

Close. He was the second guy. The second guy, Matt, I thought, that was the name, Dave Chaos. And it was Wednesday night. Wednesday night, Twisted Kicks Radio. Twisted Kicks Radio was what it was called. What was it on? Shout out to Dave Chaos, man.

Yes. That's him, dude. Fuck yeah, Dave Chaos. If you go on YouTube, there's an interview that we went on. The first interview we ever did was with him and me and I think Brain or Wayne or something. Yeah, I don't remember. What year was this? 97.

97. It had to be 97. This was before we even put out music, I think. I'd have to find it. So how did you know what they sounded like? I did it, I mean, he said, and it was funny, he introduced the first song, vomiting mass and from the demo and he introduced it as feastering the mituous mass. He did, right. But he had, he had, he had to

mention the phone number to get in contact with devourment to get a copy of that demo and I called it and Wayne had answered and me and him started talking and over a couple of weeks we realized we actually knew each other. We had met each other years ago when we were like, you know, in school. Yeah. So yeah. You guys went to school together? We didn't go to school together but we were school age whenever we met oh okay got it nice yeah I have middle school we had an usual friend look it out that sort of thing so what the one part I was kind of confused on you did you say did you put a number on the air is that he so yeah Dave Chaos had put it was it was Hound's number oh okay back then it was called

incest underground before it turned into corpse gristle right okay and that number I had called and Wayne and Hound and I think Brad actually we're all sharing an apartment together and I called the number and Wayne was the one that answered of all people what was your plan hey I'm gonna call these guys I'm gonna call this guy let him know my intentions of taking over vocal duties and no just kidding yeah I just wanted to get a copy of the demo search the norman 1997 I was I was hooked immediately if I found it he's on it I was hooked immediately when I heard it and this is it yeah that's the first demo so so you gave this to a Dave chaos.

Yes. Yeah. Because he was like the local, he would play local band stuff on the radio. Like old school like you used to hear back in the day, like a local band would go to a station. Hey, play like band's thing.

He would actually play it. How do you get it played? You just, I don't know. How did, yeah, what do you do? Because I think he was also, like, he would, he would pair up with promoters that would do local death model shows in Dallas, so I think he knew all the bands.

Yeah. It was I mean it was a local community radio show kind of like PBS or something so they would play It was like the Dallas like underground Yeah, I mean the radio show itself okay, you know there was that one there was the thrash and Allen one on Thursday and then the late night one on Saturday nights going into Sunday morning Those are the three ones that yeah those are the three that that would play you know death metal and everything you just hand him a demo and yeah we play it sure you know it was literally wrong out of like a dilapidated old house in downtown Dallas. It's kind of a trip if you think about it that they're playing death metal

on FM. Yeah. Right? And if it wasn't for that radio station, the environment wouldn't exist. That's where I heard dying fetus, pyrexia, all that stuff for the first time. They're playing it on that station? Yeah. Oh yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. In 95, 90

stuff like that. That's where I heard all of it. We drive to work and like, listen, that's the first time I ever heard and the week she'll be crushed by dying fetus and that it was over for me i was like that's it that's from doing this so if it wasn't for this one radio station that you guys wouldn't even be here no interesting i mean maybe at some point i would have heard him later but yeah i mean there's a lot of things you could say you know if it wasn't for this we would do this and there's so many different yeah but in this instance yes that was a first for me and that's what set me on i might not be in

the band if i hadn't been listening to it you know i mean exactly randomly exactly yeah where's all fate. It is. It is fate. Yeah, if it's not, yeah, I do believe, I personally believe in fate where like, okay, if it's not this moment, it probably wouldn't have something down the line, but it is helpful when there is like a fucking moment that you could kind of like. You can just point to it and go, this was the moment that this happened. What, uh, what happened to Dave? Because that's such like a crucial part in definite history. He's still on the website. So I don't think he's still doing. I think he's still on the radio as far as last I heard. Cana win, but I think he has like a different, like, it's not a death metal radio show anymore.

I think he does like a morning. He was always did more like punk type stuff. His station, his little thing was. Yeah, it was mostly that kind of stuff. But he would throw in the, the occasional death metal and whatever else. Yeah. And Thrashen Allen, he's still a thrashing on there. As far as I know, I haven't actually, I forget about the station all the time, you know.

I mean, I don't have that here on FM. Yeah. Like a station that I could put on. really no yeah there's no right we've only heard like K&A C in L.A. Because like I remember I lived in L.A way way back And everyone listened to KNACC but they'd play like Pantera and stuff like that there was no like

I didn't know the local death metal Dude death metal I'm kind of blown away like dude you're talking death metal As underground as it gets they They played Absu before it was Absou It was called this band Magus which was A thousand times better than Absu

No offense but We had some shit in Houston It was called like Sweet nightmares and they would do like Thursday nights or something underground stuff yeah like kind of the middle of night like maybe it's a Texas thing yeah

shit I think it's still around man we don't get played on FM radio what the fuck dude I'm jealous man y'all probably do in Dallas yeah oh yeah damn dude that's fucking sick fucking sick what is up so uh so Marvin

you're uh so you're you're full time yeah You met Brad outside up a Houston show, correct? Yeah, pretty sure. I think that's the first time we met. Yeah. Like, that was the first time we hung out.

Yeah. Yeah, because it was the karaoke upstairs, right? Yes, that right. Yeah, right. It's not like, okay, we're not like Facebook fans anymore. We're like actually in the first. Yeah. Nice.

Yeah, I think we'd seen each other around stuff. Yeah. Obviously, I knew who they were, you know. I knew them, yeah, because I knew you from Descrate the Fed. Yeah. From your, but I didn't know you personally. I just knew you up front. as a guitar player yeah yeah then we hung out yeah because uh it was on that ingested tour they played in

houston and then we all went to this uh this karaoke bar that was upstairs from the venue yeah yeah so everybody was kicking it yeah oh hell yeah so uh Marvin in in middle school you were like more like a hip-hop guy you're like you're like you're like you like jammy rap and then you uh and then you uh you got your first guitar at 14 15 yeah right and then you need you need to you need a It's yours until much later, right? I just, like, I didn't have lessons and stuff like that. Like, I kind of just got, like, a guitar. My parents were, like, you know?

And I've been asking for one for a while, but, yeah, whatever. I got a guitar, and I didn't have any lessons, so it took me a while. Like, I think I spent, like, the first two years or something, like, just, like, figuring out, like, tuning and, like, how to hold the pick, you know? Just, like, the dumb shit, you know? Of course. Yeah, I didn't I'm still doing that Yeah, I'm still learning dude It wasn't until I was like 18 or something

I started kind of like being able to jam with people and like playing bands and yeah Yeah, dude uh on the on the EP those your pitch harmonics are like all over I was like How does he how does how is he fucking doing that? Did you did a did uh did uh did you get that from a Nureke? Well Yeah, because you got a yeah, you You get a friend, right? Yeah. I had to do, like, pinches.

Yeah, I had a friend, so I think it was maybe, like, 11th grade or something like that. I had a buddy that was really into, like, Pantera. And, like, he had, like, the dime guitars, like, the MLs and shit. Fuck, yeah. So I would go over to his place, and he, like, he taught me, like, how to do triplets, like, gallops, you know? Like, fucking raining blood, you know, gallops and, like, how to do pinch harmonics and all that shit. It's a good friend. Yeah.

I don't think I got it from him. but yeah yeah he he definitely taught me how to do it yeah and then I just kind of started he helped he helps you get get your pull yeah the PGA man who is PGA who is it is it but truity where they have like some crazy harmonics oh putridity yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean old yeah yeah they got a lot it's like a staple part of like at least like the brutal death metal that I like usually has a lot of squeals and pinch harmonics like I was like all that what is he doing yeah no I don't know I got one dude there's people that hate pinch harmonics but I think they're sick you know so I

try to like throw them like everywhere I can honestly like but you're like creative about yeah yeah I don't just do it like everywhere and it's just like all right okay you like Zach well yeah I like pinch harmonics man bina harmonics yeah I think somebody somebody said I think Ruben shared the you share the EP and some guy was like oh someone's trying to be like Zach wow yeah yeah don't listen to hell whatever dude he knows one guy that does pinch harmonics dude so in the word i said this once here this but the second time i say it so in the worst advice i got in songwriting and as guitar player you do too many harmonics yeah there go

and now these days they're everywhere yeah oh yeah and i'm like why did i fucking listen like i want to do more fucking come on i fucking it's essential dude i saw some guy uh Like I was just scrolling through a timeline, you know, see some dude in like a tech death band or whatever like He was just complaining about some band like he shared some bands link, you know, and he's like oh, you got too many pinch harmonics And I was like that's weird that people don't like pinch harmonics because like I love that shit Yeah, Zach Wildlow wouldn't have a career. Yeah Dude, do you have if it if it feels right do it yeah It's about feel honestly totally yeah I learned it the hard way I'm like if it feels right

Just fucking keep it. Sometimes you're riffing and it feels like a little like kind of monotonous. It doesn't feel right and then you just throw a pinch in there and then it's like... It's spice. It feels right. You don't have the way you're like jamming and then you can fucking pinch it real quick. Yeah. It does.

Dude, don't listen to Rubin. It doesn't matter. Just fucking piss them off, dude. It's fine. Yeah. Anybody ever tell Dimebaggy you played too many pinch them on ice? Hell no. Fuck no, dude.

Exactly. Fuck no. right like yeah Zach Sabbaths Dave are you still uh living out here yeah nice I'm on Catalina Island he's an island boy yeah yeah you live there he's an island island island boy what what what did you move out there okay yeah but come on out visit yeah exactly there's Dave I'm down yeah dude come on out yeah yeah yeah yeah you got to take the like a little like a little boat right on you do yeah yeah yeah but

It's like an hour from Long Beach. It's not bad. Is it kind of weird? Because it's very touristy, right? It is. Yeah, yeah. So, like, weekends will fill up, holidays, fill up. Summer's more busy the winter, but the rest of the time, it's chill, man.

It's nice. What do you do at there? Work, snorkel. Snorkel? Hiking, biking. Snorkeling, dude? Oh, you're living a life, dude. It's like retirement, but I'm not that old yet.

Dude, after that dying theater show, you fucking change. Went off into the sunset, man. Great. Congrats, dude. Thanks, dude. Yeah, I always forget, oh yeah, I've been there once, I'm like, oh, dude, people actually live out here. Yeah, it's weird, right? Yeah.

I finally met someone that lives there. Then how do you leave? I mean, you can't just like leave. You kind of have to plan. You gotta take a boat, right? But there's like five or six boats a day to go back and forth the Long Beach, so it's not that far. That's not that. Aren't they packed with fucking tourists though?

Sometimes. Yeah. It's like, is there like a whole food's out there or some? Yeah. We got one grocery store. You got one grocery store, huh? The Catalina mixer. Yeah.

Wine mixer. The wine mixer. Yeah. Yeah, man. Catalina wine mixer, dude. Come on out. Classic. That's right.

I haven't been there in a couple years. Yeah. There's Dave's house. I mean, what do you, if you're a tourist, like, what are you supposed to do out there? They have, like, tours that go throughout the city and in the interior. They're looking for wild animals and stuff. You know, touristy shit. They walk around and buy their little trinkets and go to the restaurant.

Yeah, it's nice. It is pretty. It was beautiful, man. I learned from you, because I was checking out your bass rig. Dave has a compressor. Yeah, dude. Is that like a secret weapon

to like death metal bass tone, do you think? I think all bases need it, really, because that's supposed to be like the first thing in your chain, and that really just tightens everything up. So depending on how you're playing, how you're picking, whether you're slapping, fingering, or picking, it just makes everything like a nice, even volume.

And then when you boost it through your effects or your pre-amp or whatever, it's nice and like solid volume. It's not all over the place, right? I was like, oh, yeah, it's kind of like, it makes sense. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And you're like a pick guy, right? I am, yeah. I was doing finger for a while, and then we decided to, like, change up the sound a little bit, go a little bit more modern. So we added some grit to the tone and then started using a pick, which was fine for me because it used to play guitar.

So it fits nice now. Hell yeah. Yeah. Well, it was it, was it, MXR? MXR, yeah, I like that brand, yeah, yeah. I used their pre-amp, their compressor, and a little boost pedal too for like when it's just a bass, I can boost it so people can actually hear me. Nice.

Yeah. I heard they're harder to dial in than a Stan's amp. It takes a little while to dial it in to a good tone, but, you know, copying from, I think to do from Cryptopsy, maybe uses one. I was watching some other people and I was just like, I messed with it for a while. I messed with all different types of preamps, right? The Sands amp, the B7K, or, you know, what was that? What's that other one that everybody uses?

Yeah, I mess with all of them. I miss all these different amps, different things, until we got the sound that we like. So it works. So now I just do like a little travel rig, right? A little pedal block with just the compressor, the booster, the, yeah, that preamp there. And that's it. Just travel with that, man. Just go direct in.

No need for an amp. Just give me the monitors no no earpiece nothing just raw dog Toned up dude yeah because everyone uses like the sandsamp so it's kind of rare to see someone to try something different and put in the time to dial in the yeah it works the guy's tone yeah yeah the sand zamp I like more when I was doing like finger style trying to do like that scoop tone but now we're more like drivey you know went from like the cannibal corpse tone as far as bass goes to more I don't know more what would you say Brad like a little bit of a grindy or something yeah a little bit grindy but yeah still pick attack and everything yeah yeah did you use that on on the beat yes yeah yeah yeah gritty tone pick yeah so people can actually hear it exactly okay yeah yeah i mean it fits nice in with the rest of the band right and it like

kind of mimics what marvin does but then when he goes off and does his own guitar solo stuff you can hear that distorted bass behind it still it's nice yeah okay all right brad what is what is Norman, Oklahoma like What's the shit, man. Somebody did their homework. It's fine. What is that? My name is Peter Parker, but I'm also

Spider-Man. This July, we're faced with a threat. That can be anyone. The world may have forgotten Peter Parker. I'm just a neighbor, friendly neighbor. But he hasn't forgotten them. Sometimes Spider-Man has to do the hard thing.

That's my responsibility. Talk to Banner? I didn't know you could get that big Spider-Man Brand New Day In theaters July 31st What is that What is that place like?

Honestly, I don't remember a lot Because I mean everyone like Everyone relates to you Yeah And the environment Okay, Dallas, Texas Texas Yes

But you were born in Oklahoma I've been hiding this for 30 years And you dug it up man Sorry Yeah, born in Oklahoma So my dad was in the military You look everywhere Yeah, I've lived quite a few.

You lived here in the States. Yeah. For some point. I did. Went to San Pedro High School. Wow. And San Pedro Junior High. Norman, Oklahoma.

Yeah. I found someone born there. Yeah, exactly. The only thing there is the University of Oklahoma, OU football. So that's kind of a big deal. That's pretty much all it's known for. But big ups to my peeling flesh bros, all Oklahoma guys. Yeah.

I'm one of you. but yeah I got out of there like when I was four or five or something moved to Orange County California I think I was a little kid Do you remember Like you have any memories from? I remember I think we lived in like one of those

Remember those old school silver Airstream trailer Houses? I think that's what I grew up in in in Norman and then we moved and got a actual house in Orange County I can't remember even how long we lived in Orange County

but through elementary schools stuff but yeah i don't remember a ton about norm we we always go back because my grandmother stayed there in paul's valley oklahoma actually not norman which is like a smaller town south of um norman so but yeah it's like a little like a little old school town from the 1950s wow yeah that was kind of cool but i mean yeah we'd always go to norman because that was like the closest big city you know so it was cool i liked it but i prefer that was kind of cool but i prefer Texas. Of course. I actually prefer California more, but... What city did you move here?

I can't remember, like I said... San Anna, Tufton? I don't remember. All I remember is my dad calling it Orange County. I don't remember where in Orange County. And then... I wonder where. Because we lived here twice. I lived here when I was a little kid and went to like elementary school, Orange County. You moved away and then we came back in the military and we lived at

what in San Pedro there's like a Air Force base or something I can't remember what it's called because your dad

was in the Air Force yeah he was in the Air Force or there was a naval station in San Pedro too I can't remember what it was called but there was like military housing

that was in San Pedro and yeah Fort MacArthur that's it yeah we lived on this housing right off of Fort MacArthur was crazy

because it was like these military houses are just generic nice houses but they're not fancy, but they were like on the edge of a cliff overlooking the Pacific. It was like nuts.

It was like probably a million dollar real estate wise. It was near that, you've ever seen the movies, you probably, you guys know about the, that Korean bell. There's this huge Korean bell like near Long Beach or near San Pedro

or something that always gets shown in movies. But I lived right next to that. You know, we're about to see it right now. I can't remember what it's called, dude. We're about to see it. Yeah. Friendship bell?

I don't remember. What is this? It's, the one that's closest to San Pedro, whatever it is, but it was in a bunch of movies, like in, when they were set in L.A.

back in the day, because it's this really cool looking, like, ocean view. Is it right? That might be it, do you look at it on the map and see how close it is to San Pedro? Yeah, that's it.

It's right off the edge, yeah, because, like, I would live in San Pedro, and we would ride our bikes, like, just down to that thing. It's just literally a cliff into the Pacific Ocean. like it looked amazing it's like yeah yeah right by it's basically in a point

from in park yes yep koreen friendship bell it's like a mortal combat shit it does that's it's exactly what it looks like i wonder what the history is with that bell i don't know it was like i was there and this was like late 80s 89 early 90s something like that and it was already like a well-known thing back then oh it looks like 76 or something um yeah you can see tourists go there I can't remember. What's that one movie with Kaiser Soze? Who? Usual suspects.

Yes, usual suspects. Like, in the very beginning of usual suspects, all the bad guys meet, and it's at that Korean bell. You can see it in the... Oh, shit. And just by luck. Exactly.

Yeah, the whole scene is in front of that thing. Oh, shit. Yeah. I was like, oh, I remember that place. We used to ride her bike there. anyway there's kind of a trip down and then just by

another move that's what landed you in Dallas that was actually the end of it because like we lived in LA that was and then my dad had one last assignment for me or that we had to move to Georgia um

Warner Robbins Georgia yeah it was anyway another Air Force base that was his last assignment in the Air Force it's like a 20 minutes south of Macon, which is like the closest normal city you may have heard of before

Macon, Georgia. And so the last two years of my high school I finished there. And then after high school, I moved to Dallas for college. Because like that's when I moved away from House for college, yeah. So they, I went to U.N.T. Yeah, in Denton, Texas. That's why I moved to Dallas. But half the reason was because Pantara

was from here. So it's... Half the reason. That's pretty important. It was all fate, dude. I was literally the only guy in my high school, I wore this Pantera t-shirt like every day. I was the Pantera guy. So I was obsessed to Pantera. So I was like, oh, this college in Dallas looks pretty cool. Are you serious?

Yes, I'm dead serious. I mean, we had to pick. It was fake plus like, okay, in the military, when you move around a lot, you have to pick like a home state residence. Yeah. For like, so my dad always picked Texas. So that means you get like the in-state college tuition, like you're like you live there even though you don't live there. So I had to go somewhere in Texas. So I was like, I might as well go where Pantera lives in Dallas, Port Worth.

If it works, it's right. Exactly. If it works, it's right, man. And I think it was the right choice because I don't like Houston, no offense. I do like Austin. In San Antonio, though. My mom lives in San Antonio, so that's, I do, I live there for a while too. Oh, nice.

I've been all over the place, man. And Houston from Dallas, that's like four hours, right? You would make that four-hour drive up, right? Yeah, sometimes. If it's worth it. Four hours. Yeah. This is fucking wild.

Yeah. I'm trying to, because, especially me doing a lot of digging, and this is my second time doing digging on you guys. Like, oh, there's not really a lot of, like,

deep history out there about, about you guys. So I just want to get, like, the basics. What were you born? I was born in Dallas, Texas. Dallas proper. Dallas proper.

Baylor Medical Center in downtown Dallas. Beautiful. That's fate. Thanks, man. That is actually. You're born in there. Hell yeah. He's the most Dallas of all of us. Never left? Never, uh, this state,

stay in Dallas. Pretty much. Dallas, Fort Worth. I'm in Fort Worth now, but. Elementary, middle school, high school. Yeah, I mean, little suburbs around Dallas growing up, but yeah. What was Ruben like in high school?

Oh, it was a jackass. Yeah. Yeah, total smart ass. He didn't want to know me. I'm a different. person. That's sounding honest. That's a fact.

See, I'm trying to get the fucking death death metals slam lore, dude. Because no one really knows a lot about you guys. I'm trying to get the, you know,

where you guys born. Dallas proper. That's probably the first time it's even out there. Yeah, probably. I didn't even know that. I thought he was Fort Worth all day.

You didn't even know that? I've never known him to live in Dallas. So I didn't, I didn't meet him I never knew him in high school. I met him like you were already graduated, right? Well, graduated.

GED, maybe. GED? Nice. Hell yeah. Did you? Not about it. Hell yeah. I fucking hated school.

I don't want anything to do with school. What grade? I don't even think I completed ninth. Really? Freshman year. Freshman year. So fuck this show. We quit the whole thing.

Absolutely. I don't want nothing to do with it. It was done with it. I don't want. Smart, dude. I'm just going to read up on Ted Bundy. He's going to write lyrics all day. Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

Make a million bucks in a death metal band. But yeah. Wow. College? Hell no. I don't want anything to do with school, dude. I hate school. Still.

No higher learning for this guy. No school, nothing. Nope. I've been lucky. I got a good job and everything else. I don't know a lot of people that didn't either dropped out or didn't go to school and have a great job now. They have a full-on career now. It's because they fucking, my dad worked at a hospital.

He started as fucking mopping floors. And he got up to the fucking top, top of the top. Yeah. Just by working. Yeah, I was doing stagehand. I've been like stagehand type work, you know, after high school. And, um, worked my way up to a. actual city facility and now I work for the city at an art center in Irving, Texas, and I'm the

facility's manager now. Wow. Yeah, man. He's a boss, dude. You don't need to go to school. Paid you, pave your own way. You're that kids? No, she can't.

Just fucking paved it, dude. Yeah, man. I did it my way, dude. Just like Frankson. He did. Just all blue eyes. Just the very, group with the very little I know about. I'm like you, you're someone that has, you're your own beat.

You're your own beat, dude. Thanks, man. No one could tell you shit, huh? Absolutely not. Nobody. Nothing. Except maybe my boss. And my woman, but that's about it.

Woman, yeah. That's the one exception. Yep. Are you married? No, not yet. Not yet. Engaged. Engage.

Oh, congrats, man. Thank you. Hell yeah. Any date yet? Looking at 27 October. Oh. Oh shit. Okay. Nice. Dallas wedding? I don't know yet.

Still thinking about it. Still working on it. Nice. Okay, I have a, I have a selfish question. Because I don't think anyone has asked you this. How do you, because so many bands are doing it now. Like, how do you get your voice like that? How do you get your voice so low? How do you, how do you sing that way? I don't know, man. I've been asked that. many times I've been asked for pointers everything else I'm like dude I don't I don't know what to tell you and I really don't it's either you got it or you don't it's really all it amounts to honestly that's a fact that's a fact yeah

if you don't got it just stop yeah I pretty much I mean it was pretty much immediate for me that's a fact I mean and I didn't know like sure and I didn't know that it was what it was until You know, I met Brad, you know, I went and I would go to their practices, and I just picked up the mic one day just to see what maybe I sounded like. And apparently it'd fucking hit him and the other guys was like, whoa, what the hell was this? So I guess I actually did have it. Did you even like practice in your car before that? You did?

Yeah, I would practice to like Chris Barnes, you know, stuff like that back in the day. But you didn't know. I didn't know. Oh, it sounds really good. Yeah. All right. But it's such like a distinct way of doing it, and a very distinct style that's now popular now.

Sure. I mean, I would, for me, like my biggest influences are going to be, like, you know, the older Chris Barnes, like Butchered at Birth era. Yeah. Tum the Medellated Era. Joe from Broken Hope was a big influence. And Wayne, you know, old development. Pretty much my three biggest influences.

that's the other that's another road either you got it or you don't just stop yeah that that's a new one thank you yeah i mean that that's just the fact man and if you don't have it just stop if you're looking to get super low and you don't you can't do it then don't do it it's always it's always been there it's so and it's so like it's just wet too and you can't like how it's like it's like Yeah, it's like... It has to sound wet, and it has to sound commanding. You know what I'm saying? It has to sound like you're getting fucking punch in the face with the vocal.

I mean, to me, it's more of a, like, a percussive instrument. It's you. It just comes from your bones. Yeah. Yeah, my insides, my innards. Wow. And your frog neck, too. You showed him the frog neck last time, I think.

Oh, what the fuck is that? Yeah, that's probably part of it. His genetics. His mutation. How did you figure out that you could do that? I don't know. You just do things, huh? I just do things.

What the fuck is happening? It's like, his life, dude. He's like, there's no education there. He just makes it happen. He just made it work. Yeah. Like, he made a success of his life. No clue what he's doing.

Vocals, no clue what he's doing. Just makes it happen. Just like, I think that's one of the reasons his vocals are so still, to this day, unique, even within brutal death metal, beyond that, like, he's just one of one. But, like, that he never. as far as I know approached it from a like methodical technique oriented aspect

he just was trying to emulate a sound and did various things I'm assuming until he go all right that sounds closer this doesn't sound close versus like you know I know a lot of modern guys now you know have these vocal techniques that they're very attuned to

which is cool and you can do all these things but like those never sound kind of like what he's doing necessarily they sound different they're brutal and a different way. But we like this kind of more raw, old school. Yeah, and definitely like wet sounding.

It's got to sound wet. It's nasty, man. It is. That's been my new model the past month. It's got to be wet. Yeah. It's got to sound like an old wet cave in his throat. Wow. I'm sure a lot of singers are not going to be stoking that.

Hey, man. Quit. Quit. Just quit. All you guys just quit. Damn, either you got it or you don't, wow. Thank you for sharing that. You're welcome. And you guys are so, the environment's so over the top. Like, what gets you guys, like, horned up?

Like, what's like the, like, for example, like, death metal album covers? Like, what's like your favorite death metal? Like, who has the best album cover? Dude. Morbid? Sepulah, Arise. Yeah, that's a good one of my favorite. Isn't that Michael Wheelan or whatever?

He did the obituary cause of death cover. That's one of the best ever still. Yeah, Sepulah Arise, Obituary Cause of Death. I fucking love that art now. Yeah. Oh, wow, it is pretty sick. Suffo, maybe, Effigy or Pierce covers pretty sick. Yeah, just like...

I wonder Pierce is crazy. Yeah, it's so. very detailed. And that's kind of what we were trying to do, I mean, in our way with that, with what the new art we're doing. The last album in the EP is like this more like detailed, almost, you know, classical art type stuff, but, you know, dark, brutal context instead of, you know, like when we started, we just had, you know, the cheap, not cheap, but just like aesthetically, you know, lowbrow,

hand-drawn gory stuff like yeah Juski's old stuff which was sick and it was a particular aesthetic but now we just want to you know kind of get a little more up market

so arise you want to go with Pierce yeah Marvin what you got I know I know your your favorite cover is a Deptinaity one yeah I knew you were gonna say

yeah yeah the passage this one is sick is that I really like it good It's not as busy, but it's like, oh. Let's see. Yeah, that one passes it into the deformity.

Yeah. Yeah, that record's fucking. Yeah, that's cool. The darkness to it. Like, it looks awesome, yeah. Yeah, I like the contrast on the light. That is a great cover. Damn.

I always like the Butchard at Birth, too. Oh, yeah, that's a classic. I think the cover and the music and the lyrics and everything, it just all, like, had this dark, really dark vibe. Yeah, because that's... Cannibal corpse. Of course. Yeah.

What about you, Dave? I don't want to pick any favorites because then I don't know. It just hurt everybody else's feelings. Hey, it hurt. I like the hurt feelings. No, definitely all the old school cannibal corpse ones. He just told everyone to quit.

You're right. I can't say anything worse than that. Go for it. No, the old school cannibal corpse, man. Just growing up on that stuff in high school. Yeah. So wear the shirts and my parents and well my friend's parents would hate it

what are you wearing that for you can't really wear at the school yeah it could back then although I was kind of a dickhead and I liked I was in a huge deicide phase and not the best art but

that Legion cover with that yeah I would wear a shirt he had the tri-fiction and on the back it said end of God the way it must be I would get so much shit Yeah, that's like a shopping mall.

Computer-generated cover. Yeah. Yeah. What is that? What is that? It's the tri-fiction. But it's like, you know, fish-eye lens thing. Yeah, it's like a symbol.

It looks like it's supposed to be like an eclipse, like a total solar eclipse or something. Yeah. Yeah, it's like the top of that. Oh. Yeah. Which is, honestly, that's one of the coolest, like, satanic things that ever made. Like, what is it, two pentagrams and three upside-and-crosses? Oh, wow.

I've got that sign by the back when it was the Hoffman brothers I got them all to sign it oh really like back in the 90s yeah oh then somewhere in my storage you've got it hang it up yeah right that is pretty evil I don't realize here it's like such an evil like yeah I was like what is that shape it's being yeah you're right some people probably just thought oh there's some cool lines there that's what I thought I didn't even really look at it my oh shit you don't get the D-side lore dude yeah they like made that shit up yeah they like yeah yeah yeah Yeah, that's their whole creation. They drew that shit.

They drew it. They designed it, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I never knew that. Yeah. I think he's got like a medallion with that one too. Because the first cover was his other medallion.

He's wearing it there on the Legion. Yeah, right. The old revenge. Oh, okay. I've told you this before, but yeah, your Glenn Ben interview is the best Glenn Ben interview ever to exist, probably. Appreciate that. It was back when he wasn't talking it. anybody yeah yeah right you're one of the first got you actually got him to speak a lot

now he's like mr cool guy every yeah maybe he's oh no some people just need to i don't know maybe crack them open and maybe them were open to talk to other people yep yeah you just let him talk man you didn't like i like listening yeah he's got a lot to say right so he's one of those dudes. I wish it was a little bit later when I have more experience. That was like 42 or something. Yeah. I was like I don't know shit. It was like this doing well I still just I still kind of do the same thing just do research and yeah I was gonna say this time is very impressive dude. So not not knowing there is like some kind of magic of not knowing right. Yeah. Because then you can never

recreate it ever again. Yeah. And that's always like kind of shocking to me with like song writing or studio stuff like when you know then it's kind of like you can never it's kind of hard to get like the magic exactly right like that that the unexplainity of it yeah what did you move by the way hmm what did you move oh this we had the spot like two and a half years oh okay been that long really yeah you guys haven't been here in in a while well it didn't seem like that long i mean we've done almost 200 of these since yeah It was three years ago. It doesn't seem like that long.

Almost three years ago, dude? It's 2023, like February 23 or something. What the fuck, dude? Yeah. He wasn't even in the band yet, you know. He's been in the band almost two and a half for three years now. It looks like y'all were here on the tour. Yes.

That was for the Conifx. Or, sorry, the ingested tour. Yeah. I think it was right before the tour started. It was. We were like promoting. Yeah, because you were here. In Jesty Tour.

Yeah. Also, so this was right, this happened right before you would have eventually started really really talking. Then they played in Texas. Yeah. And then we hung out. And then not long after that, I guess you just asked me to join or some. Yeah, it was like fall of that year, 23, that we got him in, like November or something like that.

Yeah. That fucked me up, too. Three years? Yeah, dude. I know. I was looking at it and I was like, damn, bro. It's been a minute.

Damn. We did the Ingested tour. Then last year we did the Suffo Carnifex tour and then this year we're doing the Hate Breed Tour. So it's that kind of fitting, I think.

We come back now. Is there a California date for the Hate Breed Run or are you guys not doing it? They split up, so the Hate Breed Tour is Summer Slaughter, but they have two legs. They split it into two separate legs.

We're only playing the first leg because of our availability. is just not what all the other bands is, never has been, probably never will be. So that's four weeks, and then the second leg is another four weeks. But we can only do like two and a half weeks tops for tours, but fortunately they'd let us do that. So we're doing the first basically three weeks of this tour.

And then incantation comes in and does the last week in our place. Oh, that's why, oh, got it. Yeah, that's why both are listed out there. Yeah, but then they do more shows. Yeah, then they do the whole second leg also. So it's just kind of like they can. come in a week early for the whole thing, I guess. I'm curious how tonight is going to go

because you guys never really done like a proper, like, even if it's two weeks, like it's a headliner, do me like do like West Coast and later on to like East Coast? Next year looks like that might be a very likely option. I was saying. That we might do a split up two week top, you know, two week run and then maybe sometime later in the year, another two week round, maybe, you know, one West Coast, one East Coast or something like that.

Why not? So, yeah, it's being discussed. So then it will be our first headliner ever. Only, yeah, only it took fucking almost 30 years. You guys ever done it? We ever done a headliner? Only Europe. Did Europe.

I mean, tour. Like in America, a tour, a headline devourment tour. I mean, we did that one that it was like that week-long thing, but that was just, you know. No, yeah, you're right. Dude. I don't count that either. Yeah, this would be. yeah I don't know if I should want to think that's kind of crazy it is crazy 30 how long we've been around 30 years

you're going on 30 years not one headline tour in in the states right so maybe it is time maybe maybe have a cup of copy just fucking talk about it yeah I'm supposed to talk to talk I'm supposed to talk I actually have a phone call set up with my with our booking agent Monday to go over some plans for next year and that's on that table. I think people would love to hear that. Yeah, and a couple of bands we toured with over the past couple years who said you guys should do that also. And, you know, the feedback we've gotten for fans, obviously.

And shockingly, a lot of the clubs that we played off at a lot of these tours, they've been saying the same thing. You guys need to come back in with you headline. You know, I was like, if all these people think, you know, it would be worth it, then maybe it is worth it. Also, it is different now. Also, it is different now because we're also experiencing it. When we're first trying to tour, there's not really like a lot of bands to choose from.

Right. Now you have bands to choose from. A lot. Yes. Bands tell love to do it. Yeah. Yes. When like 15 years ago, it was like impossible for us to throw on a fucking tour.

Right. Like a handful of like you guys have options now. Yeah. There wasn't the massive scene back then that there was, is now for sure. Yeah. And we played with half these bands and we're friends with a lot of them. So yeah, it would be no-brainer for some of these to take somebody else out instead of being the one taken out. That's great, man.

Yeah, dude. Marmaine, did you stabbing dropped the record this year as well, right? Yeah. In January, yeah. Man, too, a record and an EP, congrats, dude. Thanks. It's dope. Busy guy.

Got one more. Really? Yeah. I got another project called Nuffam Grindr. Oh nice yeah and put some shit out on new standard E standard uh no no new standard is E standard oh okay oh it was like east end oh holy crap Marble is crazy yeah that would be crazy oh yeah try it yeah right yeah that is full we have well you have the fucking beat tune guitar you just yeah it's not right some riffs in e and see how

sometimes yeah or just not a writer riff in e and then all was transposed it to a oh yeah If I could get this to sound heavy. Yeah. Just move it down. Just move it down. Yeah, they say, you know, you have a heavy riff when you can play it in E standard. On a six string and it still sounds heavy. That's a good way to test it out, you know.

Totally. That's why I won't move past A. Because if I'm going to G or F or people are going crazy these days, I'm like, it's like easy to write a riff. Yeah. It's like, oh, this sounds heavy, but it's not mean. It becomes a crutch. Right. It's like everything sounds heavy.

And that's why we actually change our tuning, too, because we were doing eight-string guitars on the last album. And now we're back to, like, basically detune seven-string tuning. Because, like, sonically, at a certain point, the guitar just starts flubbing out to a degree. Even if you're used, like, in my opinion, even if you're using, you know, longer scale lengths, all this other stuff, it just, it changes the timbre of, like,

how the guitar sounds when you want to do chuggy stuff. and you're doing crunchy riffs and stuff like that you lose a lot of the crunch and get more bottom to me yeah so i wanted to maintain like what's the lowest we can tune and still have that really chuggy crunchy tone yeah so that's kind of why we like it's we went up a little bit from where we were at e standard but it was double east it was bass tuning oh yeah yeah yeah crazy right so it dave loved a lot huh it was e on an eighth string yes it was straight up e on an eight straight day's pissed I'm happy we're back to this

it sounds good right and just trying to get a bass to tune like an octave lower than it should be was like ridiculous just trying to set it up and not have it be sonically a mess

blah blah blah yeah just flubbed city and you recently got a solo guitar yeah I did I think sick dude yeah thanks Ola

yeah thank you I know I know how I know how this sounds but can you pull it out Can you whip it out? Excuse me while I whipped this out. Just fucking whip it out, dude.

I want to look at it. Put some chugs on it, dude. I'm immature, dude. I can't... Oh, dude. We can't help it. We want a toy. I want to play the toy. I find the older I'm getting, the more immature I'm getting.

That's good. That's gross. That's real gross. SIG, dude. Yeah, it's a signature guitar on this guy. Yeah, I can't remember his name. Sorry. Yeah, it's like a wolfmaster, this dude. From this, what's the French band?

Aluva. I don't know how to say the name. Aluviety or I think it's a Loviety. Okay. It's his signature. Yeah. Hey, y'all, it's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if?

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They're like more melodic, more shreddy, like. I feel like I'm using the guitar for like not what it's intended for. What's the body? It's an alder body. Alder? Yeah, it's my favorite. I assume this is a kill switch? Yeah, it's got a kill switch.

We've got the fishman. Fish and pick up. Yeah. Neck through, right? Mm-hmm. What's the, what's the neck? Like that roasted maple. Yeah, it looks like a roasted maple. Yeah, apparently that helps with like the like weather Stability yeah, it won't bend and stuff

What's skeleton? Uh, it might be standard. I think it's five and a half maybe or maybe a little longer like 27 or something It's either 25 and a half or 26 and a half. I think it's standard for seven string or that's not the seven sorry it's a standard. Yeah, what's this tuning a standard? Yeah, it might be off. I just flew with it. Yeah. Might have gone out. Yeah, it might be off by like... The bottom member is right there. Yeah, you're hard.

Got no power cord. Yeah, right. You're in. Nice. He plays awesome. Oh, yeah, it's really nice. Shout up to Ola. Yeah.

I got a seven string, too. It's like an X shape. And it comes with the Ebertune. That's like my first time playing with the Ebertune guitar. It's fucking beautiful, man. Wow. Wow. That would be like an Olympic white?

I think so. Some kind of cream? Yeah, they did say it was like an off-white. It's not white, right? Yeah, it's like. It's like eggy. Egg-shell white. Egg white, yeah.

Egg white, get our egg-white guitar. Yeah, I think it's on there. Yeah. So there's a signature. Artist series, click on the artist series. Yeah, because we've got to give them a quick shout out. Yeah. I want to make sure we're going to get it right.

Yeah. get this yeah i know they just named the guitar wolf master like it has it on the back of the neck oh i see okay yeah okay

oh they broke it oh oh total fail dude what if you could type what if you click the type v one just instead of artist type v it's on the second row

yeah try that nothing nothing wow yes you're right maybe you got the last one that was it Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. There it is.

Wolfmaster. There we guys. I was gonna say I wanna get another one, so. B1.6, Wolfmaster. Can you click under that? Maybe it says the guy's name. I can't remember. It'll say it, yeah, it has like a profile for him.

Hmm. Oh yeah, it's slow. More details, come on. Maybe they're... It'll be towards the bottom. Oh yeah, there is. Signature. Whoof.

Jonas Wolf from... Aluviti? Louvete. Well, Bray did a lot better than a lot better than I will. Maybe. Today I've been getting thrown weird words. I'm trying to keep up.

That's sick, dude. Eluvite. Why did you go with the six? Pious alibiati. Pius alibiati. Why did she go with the six? I don't know. So I think that like

part of the devourment sound on the older stuff is downtuning six. It's like the... It's part of sound. Yeah. yeah a little bit of more fluby than yeah it just gives you like the extra flub you know yeah which cut right just a little bit to give us that that hard sound dude yeah like you can tell the strings are kind of tight on this but it's still it's good for pinching and like doing the bands and stuff like it just gives it a little extra looseness and also because my my whole vibe I love the single pickup you know so this one had a single pickup so all right got it And you use the 7 for stabbing?

No, I use it for devourment too. Okay. Yeah, they're both in A standard right now. Then how do you tune back up for stabbing? Because stabbing is standard of beat. For stabbing, I haven't been doing shows with them, but usually I would have another guitar and beat. Okay.

Yeah. Nice. But yeah. Yeah. That seems fucking beautiful, dude. Yes. If I went to know, I would have a quad. I want to chug it, dude.

Here, do all this pitch harmonics? Tony, do, like, those, like, I was jamming it. I jammed it on Monday. And then I jammed it again today. I'm like, what are those fucking harmonics, dude? What the fuck is going on? There is, like, there's, like, some long ones. Like, higher string?

I'm like, what the fuck? I'm trying to think. Yeah, there's one you, like, hold out. Oh, it's like a whammy bar one, I think. Oh, okay. Yeah. I just see the whoo-man. That's like my, my shit.

Oh, yeah. But you're just all over. I think I've... I was trying to... I was trying to... I was trying to throw in some, like, different stuff, you know, here and there. Like, things... The band hasn't done too much, but...

Still keep it kind of, like, the same. Like, keep the sound, but just adding a little... A little more, you know. And you were talking real quick. You're talking about, like, a... It's a really important detail. Because people, especially right now with, like, tone and all the key, key, born stuff. Like, people want, people are so attached to, like, perfect stuff.

Yeah. Where a lot of people don't go purposely for the, for the non-perfect. So I really want to, so you're purposely going for a club. What are, like, some string gauges? String gauge. That, that you could, are used to, like, accomplish that? So, so I guess, like, the seventh string gauge, the standard would be maybe, like, 10 to 56 or 10 to, 59 depending on the the company you know so that's what I usually played B

standard on seven strings and then I just use that same set for like a standard so oh shit yeah so it's top strings of 59 yeah usually 59 or 56 it depends on the brand wow the brand of string that explains okay so it's a lot a lot lighter so you that's how you get those crazy harmonics mm-hmm yeah fucking like yeah you're able to yeah yeah because it's not just You're not just hitting the pinch note. You're also, you've got to, like, throw in the band, too. That explains it. Because lighter strings on a PV, this sounds right.

Yeah. It's, like, something about like a, like, you play like a 65-0-5 plus, right? Yeah. For this recording, we use the, which one is it? The iconic. Yeah, 5150 iconic. Evh. Yeah.

He has a 5150 iconic, the EVH. Nice. And we used that one because it has, like, it has like a built-in noise gate. It has like the burn function, you know, you can like... Burn function? Yeah, it's like this button that says burn. And you hit that shit. Like, it kind of...

You just boost it? Does it sizzle or one? Yeah, it just gives it a little sizzle. It cooks a little more. The name says it all. Holy shit, it's a burn button? I don't know. Yeah, it's got a little button on there that says burn.

Burn. Yeah. I want to make big amp and the button says wet. It's this reverb or... Yeah, it gets wet, dude. Yeah. Yeah, see? Right there.

Yeah. It's burned. You just hit that burn button. And it's on the gain channel? Yep. Yeah. Oh, wow. It's like a part of the gain.

It's kind of like. Because I think, yeah, because like channel one is an overdrive, which boosts the regular and then two is the heavy gain. Yeah. Burn. So just like more overdrive, but on the heavier channel. So basically anything on that that will make it more distorted, more heavier to use it. So it's like burn, we hit that one.

What is it overdrive? Oh, yeah, yeah. We hit that one. You like the residents, too. Or something presence and residence or something? Oh, yeah. Presidents and Resonance. I like those high.

Yeah, and you scooped the Mids. Yeah, zero mids to make it dark. No Mids. We like do all the shit that everybody says you're not supposed to do anymore. We're like old school Eddie Van Halen just fucking everything to 11 and, you know, yanked the shit off. So the gain is maxed out. We put an EQ. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. And a booster. We ran an EQ through the effects loop. We're fine to do that. It's sick. It's made it sound way thicker. Yeah.

Did Dinback do that? I think they, they, uh... He definitely had like parametric EQs. He had a lot of EQs in his signal chain for sure. But it was like opposite, I think. Like, I think it was like his, his EQ was like spiked up for, to boost the mids, I think. Wow. Or something like that.

I don't know. But... He had a rare ear. Yeah, I think it was one of those things where like on the head you scoop the mids and then with the EQ you boost them or something What the fuck is this Jay? I've never seen that my life That's that crank crank amp A crank amp with the EQ in it? What the hell is that? Oh yeah, I didn't see that like a 10 band EQ on me I never seen that in my life

What the hell? But I know he did yeah Yeah, I forget which what he boosted I don't know if it was signals on the head and scooped on the EQ or the other way around but I saw like a dude like took your EQ the one you use and like tweaked the settings to get the but down bag toned because like he scooped like the server because you can get that real sizzle burn type of shit would you ever uh yeah yeah the Mids are kind of spike yeah boosted so it's like the opposite yeah yeah holy shit well it's if it's the sound it's the sound yeah damn every everyone's so different dude yeah yeah yeah man I'm it's it's me all fucking it'll be the opposite of that right yeah it'll be a happy face that's that

yeah something like that yeah that's something like that that's see that that gets me wet that's kind of what we did in the studio for the CP dang how you guys on a picture

I took a picture I took a picture you can you know you got to document it I did I was like we're not we're not losing these settings dude it's too perfect

I can't see too much but I have been using a crankenstein lately the thing about crankenstein is they all sound like shit but you find one good one it's sick it's like it's like if it's a batch of them they'll suck but you find like the one it's like oh shit that's like that has some kind of sauce to them you want to show them that's the actual

settings you used on the album this is on the EP I mean can you share this yeah yeah yeah good that fucking they're not gonna get the sound I mean it's pretty scooped in the mids it's interesting yeah you Do you take out this one area, which I kind of do the same thing. Like, there's like one little mid you don't like you just fucking. Yeah. Nice.

I don't know if it's low mid or high mid, but yeah, it's like... It's sick. Yeah. That's the one that you don't really fuck with too much. And this was in the FX loop, right? Yeah, that was in the FX loop. And then what? We had the tiny little tube screamer?

Yeah, I had a tube screamer mini. Like the tube screamer. It's like this big. It's like one button. It's like little. Dude, they're getting smaller and smaller. Yeah. I don't know if the size of it really is relevant, but...

It's funny because it's like... It's like one knob, right? It's just one knob and one button. But yeah, and you crank that. Gain maxed, tube screamer maxed. Were you still using your Randall? No. It was, what was the cab?

It was, wasn't Daniels or was it mine? I brought, no, I brought my, the 51 iconic cab too. But he had another cab, which was a Mesa cab, I think. Daniel had a Mesa, yeah, so we used a Mesa cab. I think we miced both cabs. Nice. And it was cool, yeah. Can be the Mesa.

He put like every microphone he had on it. Yeah, he'd mic the hell out of the way. So when we were like EQing it or whatever, you know, like it was kind of, you want it less bright, you just kind of turn down the brighter microphone, you know, so sick. Yeah, and Dave, you went DDI, right? He probably screwed in the course. Yeah, just studio processing. And Ruben, do you happen to remember what you used? Yeah, I don't even get me started, dude.

Yeah. I try not to even think about it, man. Yeah. Well, first you used the dick mic, right? For a second, it didn't work, right? A what mic? Dick Mike? I'll show you the dick mic.

Dick Mike was what I used on my snare drum, and it was, like, perfect. But we tried it for vocals, too. Did not work that correct. It's a dick mic? It's a fucking mic, man. Oh, so you have a dick. Yeah, I got, I got it.

I mean. Oh, on the kit. Oh, on the kit? Oh, man. Wait, I thought I saw it. Yeah, but it has like the cover on it. I don't know what the cover on. I haven't ever seen a pink mic before.

Oh, here it is. There's so many sick mice is. But the funny thing is, this is like not an expensive mic. What's it? A telepuncan? It's close to that. It's close to that. Telefuncas are crazy.

Oh, no, it's called. Oh, fuck. What's it called? It's called a pop microphone. It's literally like for like 13-year-old girls to sing pop music tunes in a karaoke machine, I think, for it. And you use it? Yeah. And we used it for the snare and it sound out.

Well, if it works, dude. Exactly. Yeah. not far off. It vibrates too. Who didn't vibrate? Oh, look this. It's a MXL pop microphone.

That's it. Boom. Yeah, the whole thing is solid pink, so it looks like a big penis when it's on it. And that, and that's for the snare? Yeah, that was one. You try to get Rubin is singing out of that thing?

He did. For a minute. Didn't work. We abed it with a regular SM 57 or something. 58. 58. How do you feel about cupping mics?

I'm not for it anti-cup but you know it's just me yeah yeah you're just fucking straight up that this is my sound yeah

nice dude no no tips I like it no help whatsoever no it's different I'm helpful yeah just do it

is there anything about is there anything about your band you guys went out there that I might have missed or we found out where Ruben was born. Nothing, no? Like personal stuff or like? Anything banned stuff? No? I think we got some good history.

I think we got some good history. We didn't get Dave's... My birthplace? Your East Coast? It's not important. Okay. Island boy over there? No.

I think he got him. I think we cover a lot. You did. So what are, so there's no, I'd like to close every podcast, the same. Since it's four of you, there's no rules, there's no, any era, any genre, current, whatever. What are, what's one, each person, what is one record for people to check out? Who wants to go first? Wait.

One, one record for people to check out. Any metal record or any, any record? Could be metal, can pop, whatever. Hmm. well that's a tough one that you think like people might not be too aware of or just whatever whatever you want

what's one record people should check out because we'll have four in total because it's for you guys man that's a tough one you got a little name they have what names

I was gonna say for Ruben it's gonna be anything merciful fate probably or Share. Share, really? Wow, I did not even know I listened to Share. For some reason? For some reason, I wouldn't be surprised.

Oh, I don't listen to share. Okay. Absolutely not. That was fake news. Maybe Sunny and Cher, but not share. There you go. Not alone. Invading brilliance by tribal gays.

I've been listening to that lately. Oh, really? Okay. Oh, wow. Tribal gaze. I should have to. Focus. What's the record? record again I'm sorry in vain brilliant in being gabby I'm assuming this house

pronounced dig into the archives here okay nice hot dude I know this to cover I don't fucking lot it all right Ruben kick it off uh summer portrait it's the album by Ludovico I don't know how's that last name I an Audi I think I've seen him a lot I've seen you at that concert I ran into Rubin at this classical concert once. Are you serious? By accident? Yeah,

he's like 10 years ago. But yeah, he's an Italian composer. In now, dear. Wow. I'm not, I'm not, I haven't listened like to this album in detail yet, so I don't know if it's good or not, but I like a lot of his older stuff. But yeah, I just went to this concert one time and then Ruben happened to be there like the row in front of me.

I was like, hey, what's up to you? He's like, wow, how are you doing? What was this? I was like 10 years ago in Dallas. Yeah. Oh, prior to, uh, oh, you were a, that. guy's concert yeah it was good that's crazy yeah Dallas summer musicals whatever yeah yeah down some yeah are you like a classical guy I mean not big but I just

happened upon him a couple years ago like just scroll on YouTube and I was like this guy's pretty good so when you want to like chill out and something like peaceful that's he's good for that nice good for like nice drive coast you know anything like that nice not metal right piano yeah I can't change it up yeah he's piano yeah I'm gonna have to check this too Yeah, he's good. Great choice. Yeah, well. Marvin and Brad?

You got, man. I don't know. I can't think of one, man. I'll do one. Yeah, you can go ahead. I got a deep cut and maybe a deeper cut. So, and they're friends of ours, and they just came back, I think. This band called Scattered Remnants, album called Inherent Proversion, was it right?

The classic. Yeah, I think they're really. were just now like reissuing some of their old stuff but they were like a band that could have been big but kind of oh yeah he had scattered yeah so sick yeah I remember back in the day I was jamming you guys I was jamming the yeah yeah scatter was great huge influence on our first singer Wayne like he hit me to them he was a huge fan um and then I guess my other thing would be even more rarer. It's called disgorged

from New York. I don't even know if you can find them. Discorged. D-I-S-G. There you go. Yeah, that one right there. They had an EP or like a compilation. Yeah, that one withered.

Actually, both them, because I think one's a compilation. But, yeah, those first, yeah, and speak arrived that was far as I know I don't know if you remember the drummer Dave Cole Ross he used to be in suffocation he was in the level of creation among other bands but that was I think one of his first bands in back in Buffalo New York or something it could be wrong but there's some like crazy underground old school heavy stuff that influenced me and my our original guitar player brain Brian when we first started devourment like something we found that like most people

hadn't heard yet it was kind of grimy and sludgy and had some proto devourment elements to it that like most people haven't heard so anyway those are my too dude that's gonna get people stoked a deep cut like that man yeah that this is yeah yeah yeah marvin no no i got nothing i haven't been listening to shit man because i've been writing a lot oh it it does happen Usually when I'm writing, I'm not really listening to stuff. Metalachi? Yeah, metalachi. Yeah, you've been writing for three bands. It's tough.

Yeah. How do you separate your mind? It's just like... Talukai. Yeah. It's like every band has its own mood. You got to see it as its own, like, person, you know? So...

So if you're, like, random... You have to, like, sit down. I'm writing for this, or, like, or you just riffing? Oh, this could work for. this or this for that no usually it's like right now I'm gonna write for this okay and then so I try to just get in the mindset for that one and then I'll write for that one okay and then sometimes you'll hear an idea and it's like all right this is kind of more for this so I'll

like tab it out or I'll record it real quick and then I'll just put it to the side and then I'll keep like working on the one thing that I'm working nice do you just hear like teppinal chugs in your head yeah yeah I get it dude in your sleep sometimes you hear like lawnmowers or like motorcycles then you can kind of hear like you know like oh yeah you hear shit and my voice memo on my phone is full it's crazy yeah like sometimes I'm like dude when when he hit me up about doing devourment shit I was hanging out at the pool with some friends and like I was like yeah man I'll send you some ideas you know and I just went to grab my phone voice memo and I just started like humming like just hum riffs you know go back to it later when you're at home yeah

lot of shit like that on my phone. Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun down yeah he just like got it right away he knew like yeah what we're about what we trying to sound like and and what we wanted to bring new from his stuff right so it was like a perfect like fit I was like I guess it would be like if corn eventually asked you to join you would know how to write a new corn riff oh yeah so it's it'll be easier to record corn than would be from my own like you know what they're supposed to sound like yeah right Is it kind of a trip for you to be in the environment now?

Yeah, it's crazy. It's weird. I mean, I've been in the band now for like, what, like two or three years? Two and a half years, yeah. So, like, we're barely putting out something, like, together, you know? It's like the three songs. And it's weird that it's out now, you know. It's a trip, man.

Yeah, because it's been a while. This is the fastest we've turned something around, too, especially with you. Like, everything else we ever put took years and years. And you joined in like two and a half of years later. We have... The time is now, dude, before. Right. Yeah.

The response has been fucking crazy, man. Yeah. I've never seen anything like. We want to thank all the fans. Anything we've ever released, man. Yeah, that show was sick. Yeah. commented on it, taking a shit on it, everything.

It's like, yeah, the response is pretty cool. That... Because I know if everyone probably remembers that followed it at all. the last album had a bit of a mixed response, which we kind of knew was going to happen, versus this, which seems to be overwhelmingly positive, especially in relation to the last album.

So that's a good feeling. Congrats, man. Thanks. Pious and Piety, devirement EP out now. Boom. Congrats on people coming back in and the response to the environment or, oh, geez. You know, without the firemen, you know, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we want to be here. So, it's cool.

Thank you, man. I really appreciate it. Always great talking. Yeah, man, honor to hang out with you guys. Summer Slaughter, what are the dates? We, boom, boom. First date is July 2nd. July 2nd, starting to Reading PA.

It was 17th, right? And you guys close out July 17th in Chicago. Yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. And where do you want people to go?

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