Garza Podcast - 246 - DRAIN: Hardcore, Mosh Riffs, Guitar Rundown & Finding Your Sound

Episode Date: August 17, 2026

Garza sits down in-person with Sammy Ciaramitaro & Cody Chavez. From California hardcore punk band DRAIN. https://instagram.com/drain831Get Suicide Silence tickets here: https://suicidesilence.store/pages/tour00:00 - Riffs: Living Proof06:40 - Growing Up Around the Bay Area09:13 - 80s Rock, Kiss & Ace Frehley13:32 - Early Influences, Thrash & Hardcore16:48 - Municipal Waste18:59 - Picking Technique24:28 - Riffs: Feel the Pressure33:01 - Studio Guitar Tones & Gear37:14 - Guitar Tones: ...IS YOUR FRIEND42:34 - Riffs: ...IS YOUR FRIEND45:12 - Vio-Lence46:30 - Riffs: Who’s Having Fun50:20 - Favorite Mosh Riffs55:23 - Guitar Rundown: Cody’s Jackson MJ Dinky58:35 - First Guitars1:06:36 - Moving To Los Angeles1:09:10 - First Band1:12:13 - Riffs: Garza Jams the Jackson1:13:44 - Merauder Chord1:17:43 - Riffs: Garza Freestyle1:21:02 - George Lynch & Dokken1:26:37 - Dokken Riffs1:30:42 - US War History1:37:43 - Sammy Joins the Podcast!1:38:56 - Late Night Tour Drive Conversations1:41:58 - Giving Up a High-Paying Job for Music1:46:47 - Advice for Bands: Rock First, Sponsors Later1:50:11 - DRAIN Early Days1:53:14 - Finding the Drain Sound1:54:52 - Writing Feel the Pressure1:57:57 - Writing Who’s Having Fun & Lyrics2:02:28 - Exercise, Health & Sobriety2:12:53 - Being a Real Band2:16:00 - Drain’s 6 Albums to Check Out2:21:29 - Upcoming Grey Day Tour

I'm tired. You good? Dude, a little bit, man. Yeah, because, yeah, we were just fucking stuck the whole weekend, man. It was just, I mean, yeah, so much sun, bro, you know? You are definitely sunburnt. I definitely am for sure. And, yeah, we woke up, like, maybe like 9, 40 something.

We're like, holy shit, we got to go, man. You know, so. Today, right? Yeah, this morning. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Wow. I know. Dude, I don't, I don't even know what days are, are anymore. Oh, dude. It's like, I'm kind of the same way, too, to be honest. Every day is either, oh, no, it's like the weekend or it feels like one big Monday. You're just going. You're just ripping all week, dude.

Oh, man. You know? That's it. Yeah. Jay, are we alive? Hell yeah. Cody from Drain. Thank you for your time.

I'm stoked to hang out with you and riff with you, man. Same to you, man. Thank you so much. Thank you. So we just, we both came from a warp tour. Pretty sick. I think we're both sunburned. The lady told me, yeah, you're.

Kind of burnt. Oh, yeah, yeah. Kind of burnt, dude. Yeah. So I've been on a riff search, all right? And I'm looking for really good warm-up riffs that involve three fingers. You, I've been, four fingers. And I've been telling people constantly, like, I really love playing along to Master of Puppets.

Like that, like, that, like, bridge riff. It's like the riff. I like that riff. I like the C-K-Y riff. So really simple catchy riffs that involve four fingers. You have a riff in Living Proof. Yes. Where it involves four fingers in like a sphere.

It's a very simple chug riff, but you incorporate like the four fingers. What is that riff? Yeah, that's the, yeah, the title track, Living Proof. It's, um. That one. Yeah, that one, yeah, that's a great one man. It's funny, I haven't played that one in a while, so I was a little like,

I'm sorry, yeah. No, no, that's all good. But, yeah, we haven't played that one in fucking, like, probably like a year or something, you know, but yeah, that's a great track. Thank you. And you, you, I've heard you talk about how, so you've had that riff for a while, and you couldn't put it in, like, a song. It took you, like, over like a year, right?

Dude, yeah, it seemed like it, yeah, because we were, well, we were writing the album living proof it was like I just had that forever for like in the back pocket and we were like we all agreed we all loved it but just couldn't and we were just like what do we do with this you know and it was just kind of like and at a certain point it all just came together I think Sammy came up with the I think it was like the verse of done to get done you know what I mean and then after that all kind of just came together you know so yeah that's a I think something that we all struggle with like sometimes we'll like what's a push a wall oh yeah you just can't get past I can't get past I can't get this fucking riff, dude.

How do you... How do you do that? And then how did you know when to keep going? It's like there's like there's something here, you know? Yeah, I mean, just like in general, just like with riffs and stuff. Oh, that one specifically. I mean, yeah, it was like I said, I mean, you know, we just had that forever. And then we didn't know what to do.

And then it was like just one day. It was like, you know, we just came with that verse. Nice. You know, just figured. because it was like that it's that the my riff is so like nody and so like you know um kind of even technical in a way but it's like sammy's like why don't we just go like a little little just open chords zing for the verse that that that kind of expanded it for us in a way it was like oh it's like okay now now we're on to something because in my head i was like i have sometimes i have a tendency

to be a little too you know and stuff and i was like oh let's kind of dial it back and kind of make it like a little like make it breathe you know and then come back into something so I think that helped a lot with the process of that song you know so just uh came up with the second and it kind of came came out yeah basically yeah just it's gotta be just persistence keep going it's something here yeah that's a good way of putting it yeah just persistent and stuff yeah some need like some need just a little bit more love you know it's like oh how do you how did you come up with that particular riff I don't know man I mean to be honest it's like if people will ask me like

how I come up with my riffs and a lot of my best shit just come up with just like on the fly and like I wasn't really necessarily really thinking of anything when I came up with that. I don't know. I was just kind of like, I don't know. I was just like, I like, I like a lot of like hammer on pull off stuff. So it was like, you know, so then it was like. Oh, I added that.

You know what I mean? Oh, okay. Yeah, it's a little, it's kind of like a finger twister in a way. But like slow, it's just like. No, do I got it. Oh, yeah, you want to learn. Yeah. And you're an E flat, correct?

Yes, yeah. Yes, it's like, yeah. And you're dumping in that. Yeah. That makes it a riff. Okay. That's a great warm-up riff. Yeah.

Yeah, the little tail-in, the little... Yeah, that's a great warm-up riff. It's a tough one, but yeah. It's pretty... Thanks, man. It's very important that you're downpicking that one. Oh, thanks, man. Yeah.

It says he's a curve. It's a blessing and a curse, because I feel like I downpick a lot of things and then sometimes it hinders me from maybe going even faster, you know, because obviously can go faster, alternate picking, but,

you know, yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. So, Cody, are you, um, are you originally from Salinas or Hollister?

So, that's a good question, too, because people ask me that. So I was born in Hollister. How, okay, you're born there,

God. I was born in Hollister, and I grew up in Salinas. So it's like, I lived in Hollister, time I was born to about five. I went to kindergarten there, and then my mom moved to Salinas

with my, my dad and then I basically grew up there up until I went to college community college for like two months you know so up until like me too yeah yeah it's like not this is not going to work yeah yeah I was there for a couple months and I was like you know what man I want to tour I want to do some music so but yeah I um so it's funny I say both really you know okay but I mean I really grew up I went to all middle school high school and salinas and stuff I actually got a a funny one for you bro do you remember do you I remember playing East Salinas back in the day. You know what?

When I heard you say it, I'm like, why does that town sound familiar? And the only reason, so I was not there, but so I, my old band Gardens was like a kind of like a ceremony, kind of like, like, Danger's kind of like hardcore band, you know? And you play drums for them, correct? I played drums for that.

And I remember when I joined the band at the time, so my bandmates are a little older than me, and they're like, dude, like, we saw suicide sounds like, an East Salinas, like, I don't even know, it was like 2007 or something, and then, uh, They said that you guys' van got broken into or something. And I just remember I always retained that story even though I wasn't there, but I remember them telling me that. Was it at the garage?

I think, I think Jayd has found something. Salinas California garage, 2006. That's probably it, man, yeah. And you're, are you 31 or 32 now? I just turned 32, bro. Happy birthday. Thank you, man. About like a month ago or something.

so yeah nice dude yeah yeah man so that was what was that 20 years ago wow that's fucked up yeah that's been 22 so years ago so you're 12 yeah yeah so like i said it was like a little you know yeah a little before i started going to like local shows but yeah because you you you didn't go to your first hardcore show until like 14 right yeah it wasn't until like middle middle school i was like 12 i was still in like elementary you know so but yeah wow yeah so i'm like yeah you had you had You said I'm like, why does that sound? Yeah.

I feel like I've heard that. You know, someone like, like the talents is kind of like mush together sometimes. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. No, I do. Trust me. I totally get that, man. So, so you're a, you're a big fan of like the 80s glam, like, like the 80s rock.

And so is your dad, right? Oh, absolutely. Nice. Dude. Yeah. And even like without your dad's hope, you found, you found Kiss. And you're a big fan of Ace Freely. Oh, dude.

Yeah. I love Ace Free. I mean, I would say I put him in my top five for sure. Top five. Favorite guitars, man. Just for the sheer, just, like, early influence. Like, I wouldn't even say, like, he really influences, like, my overall playing. I think he just influenced me to just want to pick up the instrument.

And, like, and just, like, his aesthetic and just, like, his, I mean, bro, like, look, like, he's. Look at him. Like, he looks so sick, you know? And even, I still think that. And as a kid, I mean, I was, like, he was the one I was drawn to, you know, just. just for him just being the space man and just you know just rip in you know the less paul and i just yeah and i'll i'll never forget just like i think i saw the i was made for loving you video i think that was like the first made for loving you baby i you were made for love and that was like the

first time that that that was the first time i heard because i don't even know what he's doing on there but that he's doing that like kind of like trimolo like shigit-d-d-d-da-d-d-d-d-you-and-i-d-you know and i was like what is that sound yeah yeah whatever you know and i and i and now that i and now that i I think about it as an older person, I think that that is what made me attracted to like thrash metal too, like later on. Once I discovered that because I was like, I didn't know what that was that that trimelo, that jic-d-d-d-d-da-d-d-d-d-a-d-d-d-a-d-d-d-d-d... You know, and I was like... Yeah. We're playing it.

Oh, wow, that's kind of... And I just knew I was so, like, a digged into that sound. Like, what is that sound? It sounds like a chainsaw or something. And then, yeah, so... Did you ever, like, start jamming, like, Ace-era kiss rips as, as, like, a kid or? Uh, like, kind of. I'm trying to think like, well, let's see, let's see.

Trying to remember some kiss shit. Let's see. Yeah. Trying to think. Yeah. Cold Jen time again. Fuck. I'm trying to think what some other kiss that I still remember.

Remember I used to play Deuce? Oh, well, this is like, some solo like 80s ace freely but um soldiers yeah that's like all i know honestly and and that's his his solo stuff yeah that's rock rock soldiers by ace freely okay so you were even like deep into i'm gonna learn like least like like a solo song okay oh dude yeah because uh i remember for that song specifically because i didn't even know he he had a solo record like after that but i remember as a kid uh do you remember like comcast on demand no oh yeah yeah yeah you know where they had like like

the pre-recorded, like, music videos and stuff. Chain link, okay, okay, I got it. Yeah, and, yeah. And I remember my dad, you know, had Comcast, you know, in the home. And I remember when I come home from school, I would just, like, get curious and I'd look, and I'd be like, oh, and I'd see all these, like, I'd see these band names that I recognize. And I was like, oh, he's freely. And I remember they had the pre-recorded music video for that song, rock soldiers on there. And I was like, this is nuts.

Because he's got all, like, the soldiers, like, you know, marching and whatever, you know. Yeah, you see it right here. this is definitely one of my favorite videos of all time man like you're like oh that's what he look like yeah yeah i think that was my seeing this video as a kid was like oh wow like this is what he looks like without the makeup and it will and uh that was my first time seeing him like that remember some people were like heartbroken that oh man oh yeah where's the where's the where's the face paint yeah you know yeah it's funny because like my my dad he fucking he hates kiss like so much. Really? Yeah. Like, yeah. Like, and like he, um, because I guess this is my way of, like,

rebelling against him because he was like a Led Zeppelin guy. It's actually his favorite band Scorpions. Okay. And I, you know, I retain that from him and stuff. But like, when I started getting into Kiss, he was like, oh, man, we used to beat up kids with like kids back in 70. You know, I was like, damn, that what the hell? You know, but it's, um, but yeah, I love that band, though, you know. Do you remember any, uh, bris, you were jamming, like, just starting to, like, to play? Uh, like in the early day. I mean, dude, honestly, I'll be honest, a lot of Metallica. Okay. A lot of Metallica was like, and I, and I,

uh, what's, what's the word? Like I attribute that to like my downpicking skill, you know, because I just like got a lot of, I used to get the the paperback, um, tab books, you know, like the master puppets and ride the lightning and stuff, you know, you go into the music store and just get the paperback, you know, books. Sometimes they're like not as accurate, you know? Totally. But I mean, just like, you know. Yeah. Nice.

Never forget that one, you know. But yeah, that was like definitely a lot of Metallica at that age for sure. And yeah, you know. Yeah, I was like, you know, because Drain is a, it's an interesting band. I was like, okay, I see like the one metal thrash guy in there, which is you. Oh, yeah. It was okay. Then, like, combining with like Sammy's voice and like the hardcore element.

It just kind of created like a whole other sound. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so it seems like you really like incorporated like the like the thrash metal in there, correct? Yeah, man, I mean, because, you know, to kind of bring it further after, you know, when I started getting a kiss and stuff, then I started finding like all like the 80s thrash. And like, you know, that led me to like all like the, I guess the crossover stuff like, you know, thrash hardcore stuff, you know, the suicidal first record, you know, and then like, you know, like Uncle Slam and like fucking like.

um you know crum suckers ludicrice you know um attitude adjustment so like i really like love that stuff to this day oh obviously like dri and stuff so it's like that type of stuff that combines like literally is a crossover of like a metal and hardcore thing and i was like i've always wanted to like being a band that did that and then when i discovered drain because they were a band before i you know join and i was like oh it's like they're doing what i what i want to do so i became friends of them and then i just you know now we're now we got this band but yeah it's like i i I've always wanted to do something like that, you know, just kind of blend. I've always had that vision of blending the attitude and like the ethics of like hardcore or whatever.

And then with like metal licks and like stuff like that. I get in my own way, you know. Okay. So it was like a vision first. Definitely. I would say, yeah. So I knew that I wanted to play guitar in a band like that. Like I wanted to because that's like I said, you know, at that at a young age,

I was discovering, you know, like early like the Cromag's age of choral and stuff. So I was like discovering what real hardcore is. And then I obviously had all my metal stuff that I knew prior to that. And I was like, dude, imagine just like, blending it together. And like, obviously I would see bands that would like kind of do that already in a way it makes you got like leeway and stuff like that. And I mean, you know, obviously we were huge fans of municipal waste. And I truly believe that they're like a perfect crossover.

Really? Band of like, you know, that kind of blends all that stuff. That's a band I never jammed. Really? Oh, dude. Like, yeah, if you love just like that, just party, just stage dive. Like, oh, man, municipal waste is. You want to talk about a band?

that me and Sammy first, like, bonded over, you know, when I, because, well, I met, me and Sammy met when we were, you're like 20, right? Yeah, like, like, like, like, yeah, like 20, maybe like 19 going on 20. Because he was going to college at, um, UCSC, you know, and, uh, I, I think he came to see my old band that I was telling you about. Gardens? Gardens, yeah, and we were playing at the 418 project in Santa Cruz. Um, forgot, we were opening up for ACX, D.C., actually.

Oh, yeah, and, uh, he came, and I remember he had a municipal waste shirt, and I think I complimented him on. I was like, dude, like, it's a sick shirt. He's like, thanks, bro. You guys were awesome. And we followed each other on Facebook. And then we just kind of like kept in touch, you know? But that, but anyway, to bring it back to this,

Municipal Waste was the first band that we, we, you know, bonded over. And, yeah. What's a record for people to check out from now that are not familiar with that band? I would, dude. What do you start? I would, Sammy would agree.

I wish he was here for this, but waste them all. Waste them all. that's man Sammy's favorite record from them. And I think that is like their most like brutal. It's like fast days. It's got like cool like little mosh parts in there. And it's just like I would say that's my favorite. If not that like hazardous mutation.

I mean, dude, honestly all the records across the board, you know, I really love. But I would say, yeah, waste them all for sure. Yeah, shut out musical waste man. Shouts out Tony. All those guys, man. Waste them all. Yeah.

Obviously, Metallica homage. Oh. Yeah, for sure. That's awesome. We all do it. Oh, dude. Yeah. Every, yeah.

Everyone does. Yeah. It's like even when people I don't listen to him, I'm not like a thrash guy at all, but even me, I'm like, I'll, I'll jam those songs. It's so like, it's so undeniable, you know? Oh, man. Yeah, there's some things that are just, yeah, doesn't matter what you're into. It's just if it's undeniable, it's uneniable, you know. Yeah.

It's just recently, I heard him talk about James, like, talk about what he would jamming. He's, he's careful. his life and his influences and his playing pretty secret throughout his whole career like everyone he'll be like oh i listened to like john rameone i'm like i'm like finally you said something and then that's uh he so i don't i don't even listen to his band and um uncle is he says romeone so that's why i dove into the like johnny rameau so so heavy like the past like year because i know like get like get like Have you tried to play like, like, Johnny songs? Yeah, I mean, I'm just, I don't know if I know what I need to me off top, but like, what's the, what's the, that's the stuff.

The beat on the Brad, that's like the first one that came to my head. Nice. I think it's just that. Yeah. Nice. Oh, yeah, there you go. Oh yeah, there you go. Yeah.

I mean, that's, I mean, that's, yeah. He was playing so low, too. Yeah. It always trips me out when I see those videos. And like his wrist is like, it's just like contorts. Yeah. It's like, but he has like the squagger. I'm like, how is he?

I was look at him his wrist. I'm like, how are you, how are you playing that way? Yeah. I mean, like, hey man, it's just like, it's so sick. Yeah, I think about that stuff too. And it's like, you know, I look at like, dude's like Marty Friedman too where he's got like um an interesting um picking stance you know obviously legend ripper you know i always wonder i'm like damn like how did you

how did you learn how to do that you know and i'll look at like one of my favorite guitar is george lynch you know he has a similar similar thing to me where he has his three fingers out he's a little he seems to be a little more like out but it always trips me out how people learned how to like how they got their stance you know how do they how do they develop that because some people more tucked in some people are like way out here you know it's always it's fun interesting to see you know do i always say that there's there's two kind of two kinds of uh guitar players once with open hand and with and with the closed hand what there's like it seems like there's like there's like two of them it's like i try to them via closed hand i'm like i can't do it yeah i can't i try

i'm like oh i feel it was so awkward i i think i i feel like i i feel like i alternate between the two depending on what i'm doing like i feel like if i'm if i'm if i'm doing some like some like lead shit down here i might be a little tucked in i've kind of learned that because my fingers are so long and sometimes i'll like you know pop oh yeah put down the volume a little bit um which sucks totally but uh but yeah but i feel like if i'm up here you know three fingers always out you know what i mean but yeah interesting is james headfield is he is he is he close-handed no he's uh i'm trying to i'm trying to let's see i'm trying I'm trying to picture in my head right now.

I should know that, but... I should know that, yeah, for sure, you know? Oh, it looks like... It looks... It's been a minute since I've seen like a Battalica video like that. Let me see. Open. Yeah.

Open. He seems kind of in the middle. He doesn't seem like he's got a full... It seems like it's a little, like, tucked in. Yeah, he's got the halfway stance. That's cool. That's awesome. Interesting.

Yeah. Everyone's playing so different. Everyone's playing is so fucking different, dude. Yeah. It's why I love talking to, like, players and I just seeing like, oh, wow, you're like, no one that's ever been in here or that I've seen. Everyone has their own kind of way that they've learned and just makes her a sound. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah, that's definitely one of my favorite things about guitar and just guitarists.

Like, everyone I meet, I'm just like, yeah, how did you, how did you learn? Like, how did you acquire your stance? Like, I just think that's so interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, so you first got. into guitar first and then you sort of, uh, then you got into drums. Yeah.

Why, why did you start playing drums? Honestly, bro, because of my dad and like, because my dad played like, I don't want to say it was full drums, but he kind of did like a, like a school, like, like, the snare. You know, when he was like in, back in the 70s when he was like in elementary school. And he was like, oh, he was like, oh, he was like, oh, you know. And I remember I, I acquired, uh, what is it, the electric, the Roland. hit because my dad was like, I don't want you with the full one because I got

I gotta wake up for work. So, you know, I don't want you, you know, so I had that with the headphones and stuff, so that's how I learned. And that was like shortly after, because I started playing guitar when I was 12 and then maybe like a year later, like 13, 14, that's when I started fucking around with drums. And then started learning like motorhead songs. It's just kind of

getting a feel for like the punk beat, you know and stuff. So I would say like that's like the extent of like my skill. Like I'm a pretty good like punk, hardcore punk drummer. You know what I mean? But other than that like i'm not really like a good like metal drum like i don't like double bass like i you know but yeah yeah it was more so like like like like the punk side right yeah and that's exactly what gardens was i mean we were straight up like on some like american nightmare like dangers like kind of kind of weird

hardcore but like you know yeah like that ceremony even you know like that type of stuff and uh yeah we yeah it was nice so uh so uh field of pressure uh how did you uh like those like that like that like those like that like those riffs in those songs how did you come up with those riffs dude like funny like i was saying earlier it's like all all my best shit i think i just come up with it like just on the just on the fly you know and that that's my favorite story about that songs too so i remember we me and tim were at the practice spot our tim our drummer we're at the practice spot and uh we were waiting for sammy to get there and sammy was like oh dude i'm going to be a little late you know um getting there like okay cool so we're just warming up you know we're jamming you know we're just

of playing whatever and then I just all of a sudden just start playing that though so I just keep I keep playing that and then like Tim's kind of looking at me he's like okay and he's just simple beat and we're like we're like okay like that and I didn't both of us didn't think much of it really we're just we're just kind of jamming just warming up and then Sammy comes in like maybe like 20 minutes later or something he's kind of like oh shit what's that guys and we're just like I don't know we're just kind of jamming and he's like fuck that's kind of sick you know and we're like oh okay and then we kind of started actually think about more I'm like oh okay let's just turn that into and that's like it was like it was just off of just nothing it was just nothing we're just warming up jamming that's it so you so you had nothing prior coming into the space at all did you do you kind of have I remember I can't remember what what we would have been been working on prior to that or like um yeah i don't remember i mean it was so long ago you know but like i don't remember but i i don't even think we were writing california cursed even at that point i think

it was so early on at that point um but yeah i mean we just i think it was one of the things with like we would just go to practice so like we practiced at sCRs um in santa cruz santer cruz stancus reversal studios we did that for years and we would just go just to like just to practice the already pre-existing songs and we would practice like you know pretty frequently you know just go just not even to work on music like we would just go and just drill the songs yeah you know just because one we just love two and then two because we're like okay why not you know totally and so but yeah nothing just you got you and tim was just locking in and you're just like freestyling dude yeah and like you know i got i got a shout out i got a shout out i got a shout my boy tim man i mean it's like i he

i mean at this point me and him know we're so locked in rhythmically I know his next move He knows my next move Even if it's like You know, not even in the set I don't know We're just, You know what I'm saying?

Like do you feel that way? Like, you know, like I, I just know We've just been doing it for so long together That I've just, we just We're like, It's like, we're my mind Me and Tim's mind

Like connected and rhythmically I don't know if that makes sense. Like that explains it. You guys have a lot of history. It's just like the like the unexplainable chemistry. Yeah. And if like one of us falls off There's something.

It's like we easily pick back up I mean, you know, it's just repetition and just just knowing, knowing your, knowing your dude, you know, and just, yeah. Did you finish a song that day or did it? No, we definitely did it. I think it took like multiple days from what I remember. Because we just had like the riff. And I remember it was a, it was like an intro. We played Sound and Fury Fest for the first time at the, at the, when it was at the Belosco, I believe. And it was literally just, I think it was just an intro at that time. I can't remember. Again, like all this stuff kind of jumbles up, you know, like, but over the years. But yeah, it definitely took, we didn't write the whole thing right there. I know that for sure.

It definitely took like some, some time. Okay, so you would use it as an intro? From what I, yeah, we did, yeah. It was like this, it was like, it was like, trying to remember. It was like, it was like, and it was like, it was like, it was like, it was like something like that. Then we would go into the, like right after that, you know. So we had some, like, different ideas for it. But, you know, I love, obviously looking back, like, I love how it came out, you know what I mean?

And the only thing I wish I could change about not just that song, but the record, California curse is like, by tone. I don't know if you feel that way with, like, your album, but you look back and you're like, fuck, I wish I could have done something like a little differently. Totally. You know what I mean? But by no means is it is a bad. at all, I just kind of feel like, oh, I could have, I could have done something different. But I was also, when we wrote that, I was like, what, 23, 22, 22, 23, 24 when we recorded it. So it's like, you know, I understand for the time.

And I didn't really know what I was doing, you know, but. Of course. Yeah. I still don't. Hey. Honestly, yeah, I feel the same. I still don't know. That's crazy because our song, uh, unanswered.

I always forget that we use that as a intro for a long time. It's just, it's just a blast done, done, done into the first groove. And it wasn't a song for a long time I keep, I keep forgetting that. Yeah. And then when we wrote the song, it was like, it was quick. It was like, it was like the wrist wrote themselves.

It's creepy. Yeah. Like, let's make it a song. And then within hours, like, like the bridge came out and like the outro slam came out. I was like, oh, what the fuck? Yeah, isn't it funny how that works? I mean, just, I feel like sometimes when you don't think about it too hard,

it just kind of, like you said, it writes themselves. I know, really. I always like, I always try to go back. to that child brain. It's like just not thinking, just let it get out of your own way. Yeah. I'm fascinated by that.

Keep, I'm forwarding. I'm still doing it. Yeah. Just get out of my own way. That's great, man. Channel, channel the fucking riff gods, dude. Just slam gods.

Dude, yeah, that's how I feel, man. Yeah, I mean, just, yeah. Channel the riff gods and hope it all works out, you know? Do you remember the second riff that came when you guys actually, like, came together? Like, came together. Yeah. Let's try to make this, like, a full. For field of pressure.

Yeah. You know, I think, because the thing about Drainbrose is that like, we're all very like, interactive in terms of like writing. Because a lot of people ask, like, do you write everything? And I'm like, well, I wrote like, write the majority of it, but it's like Sammy will pitch in stuff. And like, sometimes Tim has riffs. You know, we all, and like sometimes I'll have drum beats in my head that, you know,

so we're all very like collectively, like, writing it. So I think the next riff that came about, I think it was the chorus. riff. I think Sammy came up with that. I think he hummed it out to me or something. Wow. So it's just like the... Dude. And then the only thing that I added in was the...

So... Like, I just added like... That's like my thing. Like, like, Sammy will kind of... Sammy will bring like a... Like a kind of stripped down simple thing. And I will too sometimes, but he'll bring in like the... And he'll be like, you'll like flare it up. You know, because I, you know, what he means by that is like...

you know, add in some some codysms, you know, some fucking, you know, like the little like thrashy stuff, you know, whatever. And then, so that's what I did for that. But I remember him, I believe, I wish he was here to fact check that, but he, I think he came up with that for sure. And then now, I remember that was the next thing we, we added to that. So he, do you, did he hum that rip to you? It was like, if I remember correctly, I just, like, like I said, bro, sometimes my memories,

maybe we'll see. You're trying to unlock your memory. I'm trying. I know. I know. Thanks, man. I mean a big key in there. Just like, no. I believe in a, in chain linking. Sometimes someone says something. You're like, oh, no. And then like, you start saying more. And it kind of like, oh, shit. And your brain starts to like, okay. And it kind of comes back slowly sometimes. Because the, the, the, the, whenever I think about stuff like that, like, I think about the moments. Like, I can picture me being in the practice spot. And I see Tim over here. And I see Sammy, like, right here. And I remember, like, the act of doing it. I just don't. I'm still. I'm. still trying to remember, like, was he the one that hummed it out to me? It could have even been to him. I don't remember, but. I haven't heard that process in a long time.

Yeah, he, like, hummed me his idea, and I played it and added a little fucking ism in there. Yeah. Yeah, that's old school. OS, old school. I'm sorry, doing, I'm, I'm sorry humming stuff. Dude, yeah. That's, that's the riff. What did you do for that solo?

It sounds, it sounds like, like you have a shit, let's see. Let's turn on this. It sounds like a flanger or chorus on. there. Yeah, so, well, okay, before I play it, so the, um, on the studio version, we used a G, was it the G7 or the G7 harmonizer, the boss harmonizer? Oh. So, and I got that idea because, um, you know, David Stain on, um, I'm sure he's using all the other songs, but on, um, on the, the, the, the, the Cells record, he uses that on a, on some tracks. I can't remember. But, uh, anyway, but I just knew it as like a mega death thing. So I was like,

oh, like, that'd be cool. And, and, and, uh, Taylor Young, shout out, Taylor. he recorded that record. He's like, oh, he's like, yeah, let's, he's like, I got one. Let's, let's, you know, rig it up, whatever. So that's what I used on that, like, the little, the, wow, wana, nah, nah, now. It's quick, tasty, like, ooh. Yeah, and I remember, yeah, and I remember I was like, oh, I'm going to, like, put this. I'm going to use this, like, in my, in my, my pedal board, whatever.

And I remember we played chain reaction, like, shortly after that. And I tried to use it. I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't know how to use the pedal. So it just sounded, like, not. Yeah. Like it did, like when we recorded. And I was like, eh, I don't need this anymore.

But I was just lazy. But anyway, but yeah, like the solo, it's basically just like, like, I just kind of do this like little trill. It's like, so. Yep. Nice. That's basically it. And it's like, it's like, yeah. It's like, it's one of those things where it's like, again, with like the tone of that album too.

Like I, when I wrote that little solo, I was like, what, like 22, 23? So it's like, sometimes when I, when I play that. that when I hear it, I'm like, oh, I could have done something a little different. You know what I mean? But also at the same time, it's, it's, it's cool because it's like, it's where we were at at the time. And it's where I was that skill-wise at the time. And I think that it's, it's perfect for that song in that record, you know? Totally. Yeah. As long as you're pushing yourself, it's like, oh, that, if you're doing the best, you're able to do it at that time, something happens. Yeah. It's like some kind of,

like, honestly, something happens. I mean, you look back, oh, I wish you did something better. but if you did your but there's like some magic to that you know what did you use gear wise on that on that record and then and then what do you because you mentioned you wish you did something different and then and then what what do you wish you've done right so you know it's funny someone asked me that exact question um what what did i use on that album and i was trying to remember so basically all i remember is that um so again taylor young recorded it so we used um a jcma hundred that he had there We paired it with, from what I remember, we paired it with a Marshall Governor pedal that he had. And funny enough, we used a metal zone pedal.

So let me tell you about like the direction. So like basically what I was going for. So, you know, Pantera is my favorite band, fall time. Of course. And I was going for like I really wanted like that Randall tone, you know, like that Randall solid state. It's hard at hand. Yeah.

You know, and he's like, fuck, he's like, I don't have a randle. And he was like, looking on Craigslist. Like, I can't really, fuck. Because we were like, oh, maybe we'll just kind of get one or whatever. And he's like, fuck. He's like, well, we can like try to, what's the word, like manipulate that tone or like, or re-recreate it in a way. So he was like, okay, like, and he, we used the metal zone. And, you know, so he threw that in there, threw in the Marshall Governor, J.C.

May 100. I can't remember what noise gate he had on there. Or he had some kind of equalizer pedal on there, too. again like this was so so long ago but that's really all I remember um and at the time I was really stoked on it but I I think it's what it is it's just like you know I just I got older and like I just kind of know more about tone now so I'm like oh like thinking about my younger self like oh I could have just but what I just did this but it's like you know but again I think it's for that album for that time yeah it's fine you know but are you happy with the tone on um is your friend

it sounds like you guys like very much so very much so it sounds like you locked in something very much so man and like and i've said this before to people i was like i feel like this album is very much like um it's older drain it's like mature drain you know we're all in our 30s you know now and um you know it's it's it's funny to look back on like california curse days you know we're young as fuck and now we're here and but yeah it's it's um in terms of the the tone yes i feel like it's it's exactly what I wanted and and shout out to John Markson, you know, he recorded that album and

got me right with the tones and stuff and that was, that was awesome. I finally finally kind of felt like, I was like, okay, this is like at least closer to what I, what I want, you know, tone wise and stuff, you know, and at least what I'm rocking with now as a 32 year old. And yeah, he killed it, man.

And yeah, I absolutely love that tone on his your friend. What do you use? So it was a oh my god what is what is the fucking out or not the what is the amp the uh it's like the mark four it's not the the mesa boogie but it's the um the diesel jesus christ okay yeah it's the diesel amp and it's uh that's a diesel okay so but it was it was a diesel mixed with a pv butcher too so we had a pv butcher damn we had a diesel so we just had a smorgasb board of stuff and he was like yeah let's i kind of i told him what i want i was like look i want like like i want it to sound like I want it to sound like a like a really like you know mid scoop like like 80s thrash

tone but I want it like in like through like a modern lens like I don't want to sound like want it to sound like wanted to sound like it's it's got that like the modern punch but it still sounds like a like a classic you know something you would hear on like a forbidden record or like testament or something you know he's like okay so yeah exactly so that there's a deep knob on the I don't I don't know if it's on this. Oh, yeah. There we go. Yeah.

So the deep knobbell was like, bro, what is this? And he was like, I think that's just more midscoop, you know? So I was like that, I mean, that's crank it. Perfect. Because the, I, yeah. You know, so we use that. We need that deep tone. Dude, yeah.

So, so, so we use that and it was perfect. And then P.B. Butcher. And the, the interesting part of that, though, for me was, because he was like, okay, if you want that 80s kind of feel to it. it let's get it was like the the fender it's like the little combo amp but it's like the fender um like the it's like the chorus like i fight so bad with names bro you know but it's like the fender like uh combo amp like it's it's it's like a chorus okay kind of thing and it's but there's a certain name for it but um it just produced this this chorus tone but we had that kind of in the mix a

little bit so but not like too overbearing you know what I mean but you can definitely hear it if paying attention enough. For like the main tracks? Yes, yes. So you're blending in three tones. Basically, yeah. And, uh, but it's like if you, if you pay attention enough, wait, yeah, power. Ultimate chorus two channel.

It might, might be that. My bad John, if you're going to watch it. 95 to 2001. Yeah. Solstate. Was it a solstate? No. Because this is a solstate.

I'll be honest. I could even tell you. But it was definitely, it was one of those. It was like a little combo amp. or is it this old? It was like it was about that. Yeah, it was like something like that.

But either way, but we use that and it, like I said, if you go back to the tone, you listen closely enough, you can hear that kind of the subtle tinge of like the chorus on it. And I feel like that's what like kind of,

it gives it around like kind of like, you know, like you can tell it's like, okay, like this is definitely like a kind of like an 80s feel to it, but it's not overbearing. Like I'm not, you know,

it's not like a overload of course. but just enough and it also gives it punch too because the course like uh you know makes it come out a little more um and uh i was just really impressed with how me and john just you know well i should say john you know his direction you know just kind of you know that makes a lot of sense i mean i haven't thought about this twice saw this years ago remember uh andy wallace are you are you familiar with andy i'm not too sure actually legendary uh producer mixer like he mixed uh Nevermind. His range is crazy.

He's done a COCD. He mixed Nevermind. Oh. And he mixed Iowa. So his like he. Oh, he's like he with the glasses, right? Yeah. I think of.

I might have seen him. Yeah. This guy. I remember he was talking about. Yeah. I ran. I ran. I ran.

Never mind. I ran Chris's. Uh, base through like this old school chorus flanger thing. It's so subtle. But something happened when you ran it through like a chorus. And like you listen back. You can't hear it.

But it. but it's subconscious. Yeah. Right? So I've heard like a heavy band do it where you kind of added like some chorus in there. Interesting. Yeah, yeah.

Just something I just thought would be cool. And like I said, John took in his direction, man. Executed it. Awesome. Very, very stoked on the tone on the new album. And I just, yeah, it's great. Are you happy with the riffs on there?

Absolutely, man. Yeah, I'm happy with the riffs. You know, I have some personal favorites, but I want to hear yours first. And play yours first And I'll Absolutely

I have a couple I mean, dude, shit I, I'm well Probably say You're on a spot Yeah Oh you know what?

Yeah, sorry, sorry Gotcha Yeah Nothing about love right Yeah Yeah Right Yeah

Yeah And then it goes Actually pretty much The whole song Brother Sorry Yeah, I would say that's definitely one of my favorites And that was the first riff that I brought to the table for this album.

Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So were you, how did you write that, that rift just in like your room chilling or that was um that was not in my room that was actually at our new not i should say our new but like our practice spot so you know i was saying that we practiced at srrs and santa cruz and that was like yeah you know um the little you know practice spots whatever and then we got a lockout spot at a certain point we've had that for maybe like a couple years or something and um so it was in that in our lockout spot and i remember i was just kind of fucking around with chords or whatever

and then that's when i was just you know just A little chromatic riff. Yeah, I don't know what was really going through my mind, but I was like, huh. Like, that's cool. And then I was like, I kind of thought of like, okay, that's open and then maybe just kind of like, you know, palm you to kind of like close it up. Yeah, make a little, little thrash. You give a little punch to it, you know. And then, yeah.

So fucking simple, dude. Thanks, man. I'm learning that about drain as we speak. It's like, and then you'll add like these takes. tasty little like little tails in the end. Thanks man. It's cool. Yeah,

I love, you know, and I feel like the little tail in stuff. Uh, you, you ever like that band Violence? Like, Vio dash lens.

I've heard you talk about them. I never, like, sat down and gave him a solid list before. Okay. Yeah, I said, I know,

I know you said you're not like super thrashy. I'm not. Dude, I would very much recommend, um, you and anybody to listen to, to violence,

bro, those first two records, Eternal Nightmare pressing the masses. Okay. Um, um, uh, Rob Flynn,

you know, Yes. He was in, you know, Phil Demmel. That was their original band before Machine Head. And I feel like they, that put in my head, because I, that was the first time I ever heard that type of stuff. Like this little, like, chun, chinton, chint, chint, you know, like the, my palm muted, like, little, little, like, little, like, little, like, little, like, little, like, little. I was like, holy show. So it's like that.

So it's like that. I mean, I definitely, like, influenced me. I hear it now. Okay. Yeah. Okay. You know, just like all the, all the, all the, all the little like, like, like, after riffs, you know, like, yeah, I just, I, I, I just, I love. I love just that sound of just like that palm meter, just like some like little like lick, you know,

so anyway, but yeah. Well, what, you already played one of the riffs I was going to write in a fragment? I'm like, what was that chromatic riff? Yeah, cool. Now, who's, who's having fun? Oh, man. Yeah, so. That's a super catchy song.

Thanks, man. Thank you. So like I said before, bro, you know, we're so collaborative, you know, with like, you know, our writing and stuff. and I remember Sammy came to the practice spot and he was like, yo, I got this baseline. Because like Sammy will sit at home

and he's got his own base, you know, he'll just kind of like write some little bass lines and stuff like skeleton stuff. You know, then he'll bring it. What do you guys think? Whatever. So I remember he brought that. And it was like slightly different at first.

It was kind of from what I remember, it was like, like, like, it was like, like, it was like, like some like like just really stripped down. And then. And we're like, okay, how do we bring it into like a, because this is like probably like the poppiest thing we've ever written. I know. I was like, I was like, I was like, am I listening to drain right now?

Yeah, yeah. No, and it was like, it was like, oh shit. Like this is like, we're going to write something like that. Okay. But then it was like, okay, how do we make it to where it's like not like it like, like it like make it like it like make it? Like it like it like, like it's more of like a drain style. So it's okay. And I was like maybe you throw in some broader cords in there.

Maybe definitely got to throw some licks in there to kind of make it. But we'll keep the, the central like idea of of it, you know? and basically I guess what I came up was just like I went to that chord just to kind of make it a little meaner that yeah yeah that's cool so so and I just added that oh fuck and then um and uh yeah so basically like I would say Sammy wrote pretty much

everything about that song like all the skeleton parts you know like the you know and I just kind of added flare to it you know just like Because before it was just like, like, that's just like, that's just like the base above it, you know? And I, that's, I added all my shit. And then, yeah. But to be honest, bro, yeah, that's probably.

Oh, yeah, of course. That's, I would say. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. Is that it?

Yeah, and then you just, you just, yeah, pinch the... Yeah, yeah, basically. Oh, man. You're fucking blow my mind right now, dude, because it sounds more, but it's actually really simple. It's hard to do. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay, I have something to jam on. Hell yeah, man, yeah. And yeah, man, that song, I love how it came out, man. And it's definitely one of my favorites. I mean, we'll probably get to talking about all the songs in the album because it's like, I enjoy all of them.

And I think all, I can speak from my guys too. I think we all enjoy all of them. This is like the first album of ours where it was like, dude, every song is just like, we just absolutely love. But this song, I mean, dude, I love never get tired of playing this one live. You know, it's just, it's great. It's a great song. Whatever their, what other favorite riffs do you have?

Because we, because we hit my personal top two. Oh, okay, take. Sick. Those are my top. Uh, shit, well, got this one. It's Locky. Yeah. Yeah.

And it goes to the, my bad. Sorry. We haven't played this one live yet. So I was like, then it's like, I forgot. Damn. I got to, I forgot the.

The second part is like... Jane Link can do it. Yeah, but mainly just, yeah. That's it. That's, uh, that someone's gonna get their fucking nose-busted riff. Oh, man, straight up, yeah, and it's like, uh, yeah, like I said, I would love, we were talking about, we'd love to play that one live, I just got a brush up on it. Um, but, um, but yeah, um, that one, she's kind, kind of, kind of like a funny story about that, too,

So it's like, I know I was telling you, I was like, a lot of my best shit I think is like when I just not not thinking about it. But this one, I was thinking about it. And I was, I remember I was sitting at my house in my living room. I was like, okay, like, what is something that I would like mosh to? Like what would I go crazy to? Yeah. You know, I never really thought about that before. And I was like sitting there and I was like really like, sounds dumb, but I was like just sitting there like my eyes goes just trying to imagine.

Oh, that's sick. Like something. Yeah. Like what would you? young Cody, what would I be in the mosh pit to you? What would I be headbanged? Like, whatever. And that just came to me.

Like, I just imagined, like, a vets hall, like, you know, like 200 cab vets hall. Like, everyone's stage diving, fucking going crazy, whatever. And I just imagined, I just pictured that. Bam, man, man, man, down, down, dan, little, land. You know, with that, that. Doon, ka. Doonka. And I was like, fuck.

And I just used that. And then I just built the riff around it. And that was it. Wow. Yeah. But I would say that's one of my favorites for sure. If you want more, you have any... Absolutely, dude, yeah.

I mean... Other riffs. Like I said, bro, it's pretty much like all of them. I mean, let's see. Oh, let's see. Oh, dude. You got... Yeah. That's sick, dude.

And we play that one live currently. We played it yesterday. And yeah, that's great. We got a cool, like, you know, for the live for the live shoot. We got the wall of death going for that one, you know. And that was probably the second riff that I brought to the table in the album writing process. And I just had that, just that dun, dun, dun, dun.

And I remember we were all like, it sounds like, I think it was Sammy that brought it up. He was like, this sounds like. This sounds like a, like a Mortal Kombat or like a tech. Kind of like a like a startup music, you know, like like on the pause screen or something. You know, it's like to choose your character. You know, it's like dun, you know, it's like you choose it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or like that or it sounds like it's about to like a race is about to happen. Like start your engine. And then when it opens up. Yeah, you know what I mean? So we definitely, we all really enjoy that album early on. And our, sorry, it's that song, Jesus Christ. We enjoy that song early on, or that riff, at least, and then we built into what it is.

And yeah, so. That's sick, man. Well, we got to talk about Jackson, dude. Of course, man. Yeah, let's do it. What's this? What's this guitar? So this is the MJ series, Dinky.

This one is really special to me because this is the first one that they hooked me up with at the time. Because I remember about four years ago, this is the first one that shout out the Mike Tempesto, Jackson. He sent this to me. And it's got a lot of sentimental value to it because it's the first one. And it plays great. I love this thing.

Like this always will be in rotation, you know, whenever we're touring. Like I, you know, because sometimes I'll swap out guitars. I'll leave this one home. I'll take this one. But this one always stays in the rotation. It's my goat. feels the best, the greatest. Love it.

Yeah. What are, like, what are the specs? Like, the woods, neck, tuners, pickups. Yeah, this is, you know, so we got some, we got some Seymores right here, man. You got the Floyd Rose right here. So people don't know, I mean, just listening. Is it actual Floyd Rose? It is, it is, yes, yes.

A real Floyd. And what do you, we call the model of the Seymour Duncan's? I do not actually. That's sick. Yeah, I know. A lot of people say that. because it's, I, um, are the, okay, but, uh, my, it might help people find, find them. So is this stock? Yeah, this, these are stock. Okay. Yeah. So these, these came with the guitar, you know,

um, um, um, I used to play, I used to play specifically EMGs a lot when I was a kid. That was, I would just have those a lot in my guitars, but, um, you know, um, I mean, I, I, I, I mean, I love the sound of these, bro. I mean, they, they sound good. And it's like, I never really had a, uh, a desire to, like, change them out or like, or anything. Um, you know, I've always wanted to give like the Bill Lawrence pickups, like a go, you know, like the, like the dime bag ones. Oh, okay. And, you know, maybe I'll throw those in a couple of my other guitars at home or something. But, yeah, I've never had an issue with these, man, you know.

But yeah, these are great. And yeah, bro, I mean, like I said, bro, this guitar is like such a, just has a lot of sentimental value to me. And I just, I love it. I usually call it the Great White. The Great White guitar. Yeah, people, yeah. You know, so. But yeah, I love this thing, man.

I assume maple neck? Yes, yes, it is. Nice, dude. It's very smooth. It's very, very fast. You can get to one place very fast, you know. It's great, yeah, I believe, I think this is 22 frats, or if I know, if I'm not mistaken. I don't think it's 24.

I think it's 22. 22, okay. Yeah, yeah, man. Like I said, bro, this thing's great. The only thing I would have is, like, if, for me, at least, you got to get the volume knob over here because of my fingers always like in turning it down and shit. It's like but that's just that's just a me thing. But yeah

man, this is a great guitars man. I love Jackson. I've always loved Jackson guitars. I'm very honored to play them and you know, be a part of the team and everything. And so yeah. We gotta tell Tempesta, hey, you gotta make Cody from Drain of custom. Oh, hey man, you know,

I would not be opposed to that. I would be very honored, man. How long have you been playing Jackson's? Oh shit. I mean like since so like I played them a little bit as a kid. So, like, oh, so I'll tell you this much. So, like, I remember my first guitar.

That's my question. Yes, yeah, yeah. Let's go in. Okay, so let's get into it. So my cousin Sarah, you know, she, at the time, I mean, she's still into this stuff, but at the time, and she was super, like, sick, like, punk rock chick. She had, like, spiked hair. She had, like, all these, like, bracelets and shit, you know, whatever.

And she had, like, Green Day posters in her room and stuff. I remember, like, we'd go over to her house for, like, you know, like, family get-togethers and stuff. And I was always interesting. I was like, oh, my, like, Sarah's so cool. Like, she's got, like, all this shit. Yeah. And I'd always want to go in her room and, like, kick it and stuff.

And then she was like, oh, yeah, like, she figured I was interested in, like, rock music and stuff. So she started, like, let me play her guitar a little bit. And then she ended up giving me her guitar. And it was like, well, she had two. She had that she had a BC rich, like the BC rich bitch. I think that's what it's called, the B-I-C-H. Oh, yeah. So it was that one.

It was, like, a red one. And then it was, like, some, like, shitty Ibanez. I don't even remember the model, but I remember she was like, oh yeah, you can just have these because this is like, I don't even play this. And I was like, oh, I was like so excited. So I remember I went home and just, you know, just put myself in my room for like a couple months, a couple summers, you know, as a kid, like in middle school. And I just didn't even go outside.

I just fucking played. But anyway, but yeah, that was my first guitar, first guitars. And shout out my cousin Sarah. And shortly after that, so I remember I played those. That's how I learned how to play off of those. And then we got to, I'm trying to think. Oh, so my actual. real guitar was the Dave Mustain

signature V, like the black, all black V, like the Dean Dave Mstain signature and I remember I'd been playing guitar for like maybe a couple years of this point, a few years, and I remember my dad was like he's like, he's like, oh, my dad shout my dad, he's very like, he'd be like, oh, he's like, hop in the car, we're going to go somewhere. I'm like, okay,

and he's like, where are we going? Oh, don't worry about it. I was like, okay. So we get in there and then all of a sudden I see the music store ahead And I'm like, oh shit. And he was, he was like, you know. My dad just kind of gave me a little smile. I was like, oh, he's like, I was like, really? And he's like, yeah, he's like, but I wanted it.

And originally I wanted the, because I remember on the wall, this wise music and Selena, shout out to wise music. They had a, they had the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the dime bag, like, his, his face, like, airbrushed on it. Is this it right here? The, um, yes, yes, yeah, that was wise music. Wise music. Uh, rest of piece, rest of piece Pete Wise.

Um, he, he was the owner and the founder of Wise music. Like, wise music is still going on. I mean, I just went in there the other day to get some strings. But that's the second location. The original location where we went was in downtown. But, uh, we're going to find it. Right. But they, they had, they had the Dean ML on the wall.

And it was, it was, uh, it had Dimebag's face airbrushed on it. Is this it? That is, yes, that's, that's the original. Yep. Wow. So me and my dad, so that, the entrance right there, me and my dad walked in there. And they had the DENML on there, dime bag's face on it.

And I was like, I was like, I was. want that one. My dad looked at the price. He's like, bro, this is like $700. I'm not, I can't do it. Yeah, he's like, he's like, pick something out that's like 200 or under. And I was like, okay. So I'm looking. And then, um, I saw the Dean, David Stain signature in all black. And I was like this is this. Yeah, yes, yes. That was the one. That was the one. Oh, really? I wanted that so bad. And then my dad was just, time back's faces on it. Well, first my dad was like, one, who was that guy? And then he, and he was like two, no. This is like six hundred, seven hundred bucks. And I was like.

Damn. And I remember it was in like a glass cabinet. Whoa. Like they had it just, you know, it was supposed to play, whatever. And the Dean, Damon St.

Signature is the one that I, uh, picked. And my dad was like, all right, cool. And it was like used, you know.

Oh, great. And, um, so I, man, I rocked that for a long time, man, a long time.

Up until my, so going back to my old band, gardens, our guitarist, shout out to West. he he was the guitarist of gardens yeah that that's exactly the one that i had yep and so i had that one and this is like you know i'm like 19 20 years old whatever 21 and i'm living with west in salinas in the b unit in the back of his house and we had a the garage was where we would practice for gardens

and i had my guitar in that garage and one day i was like gone and he was uh he was cleaning out the garage right and he had his car back there and i guess like he was like backing his car up for something So he had like all the shit out of the garage. And he was like on the on the cement like outside of the garage. No. And he backed it up. Oh no. And then and a little bit.

He didn't intend to go. But it's like, I guess the guitar was like sitting right there. And it just shattered the pieces. So when I got home, he was like, dude, I'm mock a line man. Really sorry. And I was like, God damn it. And then he was just like, he's like, I'll just fix it for you, bro. It's all good.

And I looked at him like, bro, you are not going to fix this. Like this is like, it's like, it's not like he just broke off a little piece. It was like it was all shattered like and everything. I was like, just no way. He backed in and ran over. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you know, but, uh, yeah, I mean, like, because I'm trying to think how long I had that because I, I had that guitar from the time I was maybe like 13 or 14 up until,

yeah, like 20, 21. And that was just my, my, my, my, my shredder for. Maybe it was this, maybe that was just like God saying it's time for the next step of your life, dude. I think so, man. And then that's right around where you met Sam. me or right yeah around there for sure and definitely and I remember I'm trying to think I had some other shit in between well not not in between that but what I mean is like kind of at the at

same time I remember I had a I had an it was like a ESP oh my God it was kind of like a less pulp shape kind of body but it was like a ESP that was kind of a piece of shit honestly but it was like I remember when I so when I first when I first bumped up to guitar for because I started off playing bass. Yes. And Draneo for a few months, you know. And when I first bumped up, that was what I used. It was, it was kind of similar to that.

Which one? It was, uh, I can't recognize it. It was like kind of black with like kind of like a white kind of border. Was it the kind of less poly shape? It was definitely that. But none of these, I mean, but the, the pickups were ass, dude. It was just like, I mean, I was fucking broken. That's all I had, you know, so.

But, um, I remember I did. I played that for, the first early guitar shit I was doing for Drain. And it wasn't until I remember I bought my first Jackson because, okay, to bring it back though when I was a kid, because I would play, like, I had friends that played a guitar too and they had Jackson, so I would go to the, go over to the house

and play. So, like, I already knew how they felt. And I knew, like, I was like, oh, like, this is like, state of the yard, like, this is dope, you know? But I didn't have my own, my first one until I, it was right before, right before I moved to L.A. So I'm thinking maybe like

2018 or something. I remember I drove to Hayward, I think, or somewhere in the Bay, East Bay or whatever. And I bought this, it was like a fixed bridge Jackson Soloist. And it was like a burgundy, like really deep, like dark color. And I bought it off of this old dude. And he's like, oh yeah. And he sold to me for like 150 or something like that. And I was like, yeah. And then that was my, first real Jackson that I owned with like my you know or money and then I remember I bought like

another soloist it was like all black it was super beautiful man that was like my first like um guitar with a with a Floyd nice I remember that once I got to LX I lived in Pico Union for like a year and I remember I bought it off of some dude there and that was my first one with a Floyd um anyway but yeah that's kind of the I guess the timeline of uh of all that you're already buying jacks oh yeah yeah Yeah, prior to that, you know, and then, you know, to me being, you know, and, uh, yeah, because I was just, you know, it was great. You, uh, you kind of been everywhere, huh? So, yeah, born and Hollister, moved to Selena and San Daniel, you moved in, you were living in L.A. quickly. It was 2019, right? Yeah, I, I, from what I remember, it was 2000, December 2019. And so it right before, you know, the whole, the whole shutdown. Yeah, wow, you, you, you, you moved there the worst time ever. Dude, straight up. And it's funny to look back because it was like,

funny enough all everyone in drain moved to something back well for the for them they moved back i just moved but like so like tim moved back to san barbara sam moved back to san pedro oh and like and like and like and then i was like i had always wanted to live in l.a since i was like a kid or like at least try it out and i was like oh this this might be the time and then so i got to experience like what like few months of normalcy you know whatever three four months and then this whole shit shut down is that uh i'm just throwing i'm gonna throw a throw a girl is uh is that why the record's called california cursed or no um i don't think it's specifically from that but it's it's more of just like because it's it's the timeline it's it is but i think it's it's not specifically for that i think it's more

of the idea of like it's like it's like we love california like we love where we're from so much like we'll never we'll never leave like it's like this like um the lyrics like i'm a slave to this curse it's getting worse like he was just like it was like it was like you're just like it was Okay. Like I, I, I, I, that's, that's how I always took it. Okay. You know, he's like, you know, we all, he loves California. We all love California so much that like, we'll never leave and we're, we're a slave to the curse, you know.

Okay. Yeah. So you guys were writing in SoCal. We did at one point, man. It was, um, because around that time, it was the, when we were writing, link proof, the album. Oh, okay. So, you know, I think I had moved first and then Sammy trailed shortly after.

But then Tim was the last one to move to something California. But anyway, once we all did, I remember we were jamming different places. I remember we jammed at like my spot one time. And then we would get like a practice spot somewhere like in like in the 805 and just like random spots. But it was shortly after that, I remember I think Sammy moved back home after a while. So then I would go practice. Like I would just travel back home to practice and stuff. So it was a little all over the place.

And eventually, you know, we all moved back. stuff. So, um, there was a short stint where we're practicing in Southern California. Got it. You're like, no, you got to go back home. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It always goes back home, dude. Exactly, man. Yeah. Like, your life's just a one big full, full circle.

Right. Do you have any recordings of the Barons? Of the, of the, sorry, the what? The Barons. The Barones. Yeah. Oh, the Barones. Oh, sorry. I was, I was like, idiot. No, no, you're good.

You're good. Uh, so I have a CD at my house somewhere. But, um, because that was your first band, right? That was my first band, yeah, ever. Okay. And so my, uh, this was a band from Salinas. So yeah, the, the Barones. And, um, I don't know if you can find the music.

We were looking at like, we're, we're trying to find some pictures and nothing. It was on, um, it was on, it was on Myspace. I know you can't find shit on MySpace anymore, you know, but I remember the music was on the MySpace. I have a CD somewhere, um, in, uh, at my house. But it's, uh, basically just like on some, like, power. pop like cheap trip. I heard you say the word power pop. What the hell is that? So, so, okay, so my friends at the time, um, uh, they, they had this, they had this band and like, they exposed me to a lot of all that stuff because I was not, you know, because I, I started off with like, you know, metal and punk and stuff like that. Like they were all into like the garage rock and like kind of like the 70s, the guitars up here, you know, like the revival of that, you know, like the black keys and, you know, all that shit. So they were all on that. And I, and I remember I knew them from high school. or middle school high school they were like the rockers and so i naturally became friends with them like

oh you should join our band but i didn't know shit about the music and they were all into that they're all into like the kind of garage rock like power pop and that was the first time i haven't heard that and i was like what is that oh it's like it's like cheap trick and i was like oh okay and then it made sense once you hear the music and it was very much like that you know it was like i remember we would cover like um jack the ripper you know like that 60 song that down um man i're like jack the ramp by done done and uh yeah we're just like just like little kids just doing that style you know just like just like just like you know just like shit just like you know what i mean like oh yeah just like just like you know just like du kukka do you kut you know um that that was fun i remember i

I played my first show at Carlitos and Salinas, which is still up. I don't think they do shows anymore, but, Carlito, shut up. They used to do shows, they used to do shows back in the day. And I remember that was where I played my first show with them. Yes, yeah, Carlitos.

Nice, you found it. And they used to do shows in the back. This is a bar, right? Yeah, it's like a bar restaurant, yeah. Mexican food. And they would have shows in the back. And, yeah, we played there. And it's funny, because I'm,

remember people asking at the time like, oh, like, are you nervous for your first show? And I remember, like, I definitely was not. I just got up there and I was like felt very confident. And I think that's when I knew. I was like, oh, yeah, like, I think that's when I knew. I was like, oh, yeah, like, I didn't. I was like, I didn't really do this. I can I, I guess not sound dumb, but that's how I knew. It was like, oh, yeah, this is for me. Like, this is like the route that I want to go. Like, I want to play music and live and stuff. So that, that's what set it off, you know? Nice. Yeah, yeah. Can I, can I play the Jackson? Oh, dude, absolutely, man. I always, sometimes, sometimes. I like forget my man I wish I asked I could play so whenever it pops in my mind absolutely I just gotta do it because then we'll trade off and you Hey, uh Sammy is about to ruin the podcast

I thought he was gonna come back Yeah, I thought him Fuck him I'm talking about him Hey on time see ya They didn't text me about it and see I had to text man else There you go

Yeah There we go Whoop's up whoops that there you go I'm trying to write some drain there you go yeah

I love how you guys I always utilize the bar chords oh yeah just like a oh man I love a good people people call it

yeah I guess it's called a barcord I like to call it a marauder cord a what chord you're familiar with the band Marauder. Yeah. Because they just use a lot of those chords. Okay.

So it's like, yeah, I don't know. It's just one of, oh, yeah, it's a Marauder. That's just like what I, you know, and a lot of my friends and stuff. Like they refer to that as like, that's the Marauder cord. You know, when you, yeah. When did they come out? Fuck Marauder. I think the Master Killer came out, what, like 95, 94.

But they probably, I think Marauders been a band since like, what, like late 80s. I forget about that. Yeah, yeah. Because I'm a big fan of the Marauder. demos, like the minus the minus years and stuff when they kind of sound a little, they're like an E standard, like, you know, it kind of sound a little thrashy. Yeah, like that, huge fan of that. But yeah, I mean, shout of Marauder, fucking incredible band. But yeah, it's funny, like being in my homies, we always like refer to those chords as like the Marauder chords.

Rodder chords. Yeah. I never heard that. Okay. What's a, what's a record for people to check out if they want to check out? Like, just, Marauder. I mean, dude, obviously, man. master killer I mean that that is master killer that that is the I mean that's like the fucking pinnacle just heavy ass fucking just riffs like just and they they do it really well where they mix like the metal shit with like the fucking the groovy like you know moshable like kind of hardcore and stuff like that I mean the some of the goats I mean shout out to you know to sob I mean you know these one of one of my influences with guitar because he was such a like a metal guy that you know was also a hardcore guy as well

and that's how, obviously, how I view myself, you know, and then it's like, so it's cool to see, you know, like, even like the dude, like, you know, from leeway, you know, what is it, Michael Gibbons and stuff like that. He was also playing both sides. He was a metal guy and he was a hardcore guy. So it's like, I take a lot of influence from, you know, those, those guys, you know, and everything. So were they like, uh, just ahead of their time? Uh, I would, I would say so, yeah, especially like, you know, especially Marauder, too. Because it's like, I mean, it's like, dude, you know, they're, you know, they're coming up with. that in 95 and it's like you know to my knowledge it's like they were bumping a lot of like death metal too but then obviously they're you know they're hardcore band so it's like they're influenced by you know all the stuff that came before them and it's stuff so it's like blending those two it's just like such a cool thing to see like at that time you know in like the early 90s just yeah it's like so sick man I love watching like there's a specific YouTube video from I think it's from like 92 and something and I think they're playing at CBGBs but it's with the old vocalist with minus and do it

and they're playing oh my god what is it uh what is the fucking song um oh my god it's not taken by force but it's um we might find it I think it's this might be this one oh I think it's the one I'm thinking of is different

but either way but yeah it's like I just I love like that era of like that like 92 CBGBs yeah 92 CBG yeah this this is a different one um oh my god what is fucking song I just like in the beginning of time where God created the yeah yeah yeah oh yeah dude yes yes yes yeah oh yeah oh yeah like I said man shout out sob dude I mean I wish I knew the guy you know he just he had so much swag and so much style and it just really relate to that as is being like a

wow a metal hardcore guy like I just you know it's very very inspirational Yeah, you just have sick-ass style. These look so cool up there. But yeah, man, yeah. Or order. I'm going to try to freestyle one more riff just because I'm fucking horned up. Yeah, dude. Sorry, man.

Dude, you get it, man. That was terrible. Sorry, man. Dude, you know. Thanks, man. Of course, but, dude, speaking to you playing guitar, bro, I wanted to bring this up. I remember when I was, you know, in the early days, being like on on YouTube and shit like when I was younger and like um seeing I remember when you

it was like you and Mark you guys did the I think it was for guitar world I think you did the you guys did the um I think it was the bludgeon to death like the yeah the play through and I thought it was so cool I'll never forget this I thought it was so cool that you guys were like referring to that that part like oh yeah we're about to do like the the thrash part you know and then you I think, um, forgot. I don't know. It was, it. Yeah, that one.

And I remember it left an impression on me because I was like, oh, like, these are just like dudes just like, just, just jamming. And I thought that was so cool because I never seen that before. Yeah. Um, you know, and just, I just like how you guys were. Yeah. I just, I love how you get. Explaining death core when no idea what the fuck you're going, dude.

But I just thought, I thought that was so cool because I was like, oh, damn. I feel like I could. Yeah. I don't know. That's sick. I think we were like, yeah, this is like the boccccccc. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just like stupid. Yeah, that's funny. But I just thought I wanted to bring that up. I was like, yeah, I'll never forget that. You know when you have a, so I wish I did that differently. And I wish I could, because at the time you don't know, a lot of people were to watch it. Yeah. You know, I wish I knew how to like talk and like explain stuff.

But it's there forever. It's there. But people saw it. I guess people dug it. Dude, I mean, like I said, I feel similarly, bro. I mean, whether it be like about tone on albums or just like the way I like, I talked on video. I feel that all the time. I wish I could have like said something cooler, did something different. You know what I mean?

It's like, but hey man, it's like you said, it's dead. It's on there. It's there. It's there. It's there forever. You know, someone's going to appreciate. Hey, I appreciated it as a time. So it's, you know. So appreciate that. Yeah, of course, man. You know, I mean, you're, your, your worst self-critic. Oh, dude. Of course, man. Yeah. Sometimes we're too hard on ourselves, but hey, you know, totally. And people think I'm high. I'm not high. I'm not high. I'm not how to talk. I still don't know how to talk. Whatever. It's like, I'm not high. I'm trying to explain deadcore the same do I

no one can explain dead core the fuck dude god fuck you guys that's awesome oh man but yeah um oh yeah also I think Sam said they're coming back

right now all right cool yeah yeah they turn about they're about they ruin it dude dude I was gonna ask you you have any someone that doesn't get brought up

a lot here is uh you brought up George Lynch yes and I know a docking I mean I found out about docking through corn because I remember

I was saying yeah one of my main influences is George Lynch and Docking Wow I mean this was like years ago I remember like

Karen Dawkin who's that George Lynch who's that wow I would have never guessed that bro maybe either yeah but then I heard a few

docking rights and oh I kind of hear like early corn you know like you put like if you hear a song you're like okay

I mean I don't hear it but then once they say the like guitar player and the band name and you kind of like connect dots oh shit I kind of

okay I kind of hear like a little bit I'm talking my first corn record like I kind of hear okay I feel a little bit of docking yeah that's really that's kind of blow in my mind because I just I did not expect for him to to say that or whatever um yeah you know dude oh man I hope I get to meet him one day man he's one of my never met him bro he's made my my second favorite good so you know obviously dime bag favorite guitars all time but I think that George I like I love George Lynch for different different reasons obviously Obviously he's a ripper and that that video dude that where he's incredible. Um, but he just kind of yeah.

He's just like ripping. So. Hey, Jay, let's, uh, crank this for like 20 seconds, dude. This is, he, he's, oh, he's crazy. Oh my God. I don't know what he's doing. Just a skill that I'll, I'll never achieve. Oh man.

Wow. Dude, yeah, he's, um, yeah, I love the guy just like, is the engineer just fucking bump in his head. Is, is, um, is that a sharp? Charbel? Yeah, I believe so. I believe so. It's a really cool orange if you're just listening

But see what I mean about is he see his fingers So that's why it's like like early on as a kid Like I because that's how you know I learned how to play and I saw him like a video of him doing that I was like oh he's kind of like me so like it It made me feel like oh okay like I could I could do that too or whatever you know Because like most guitars I was seeing

They're all tucked in you know with like technique and stuff But he's like He has no technique it looks like Yeah you know well You know but and and he fucking rips I'm like dude that's awesome you know Actually yeah now now that you mention and I'm looking like, it doesn't really look like a good technique because his fingers are really like...

Even more so than me, like he's really like out here. You know what I mean? But it's like, it's just cool to see because I don't... Like you definitely see that, but it's like, I guess at the time seeing somebody with the three finger method. And I was like, oh, that's cool. Like a guy that I really enjoy his playing, like he does the same as me. But like I was saying, though, I think that like the... I love George Lynch for a different reason than Diamondback.

Like, like, I, like, God, dime bag is the best to me. But George Lynch, like, I think, like, he has the best lead tone in the game. Really? In my opinion. Like, I think, and I, I tried to match it. Honestly, I try to match it always, even with, like, my, my rig, you know, my live rig. But I try to do it on albums, like, my best version, my own unique version of the George Lynch. But I think that he just had the best.

And it's like, you hear, you know, I don't know if you've, like, listen deeply. him like you know like the um like tooth and nail record like i don't know if you really dove into any kind of docking records but it's like he just has like that that classic like you hear you hear him kind of like wailing just like it just like it just sounds so 80s it just sounds like yeah like this is i don't know it just he just has that is that it's like a stamp of like an era he just has like a perfect like for that for that time and it's just it just sounds it's such like an addicting sound. What's one of his,

is there like a lead that we, we could find and pull up, you think? Well, I would say, okay, the song, tooth and nail,

off the tooth and nail record, he has one of the, one of the best solos. Like, that's probably, I would put that in the top ten, like greatest souls of all time. Oh, really?

Oh, okay. Yeah, like the solo. We're at. I would say, yeah, probably right there,

maybe. Yeah, right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Scrant this for 10 seconds. And mind you, he's tapping this whole part. He's tapping it? Yep. Wow. What are yours this? 84. 84. So he probably wrote this in like 83. I wasn't even born yet. And he's just tapping. Still going. Wow. Yeah. Did they, uh, are they playing shows?

Or they, or they, or, or they did? I'm like, I'm, I'm chain linking right now. I think I, uh, I'll be honest, I don't, I don't know. I would, I would love, absolutely love to see Dockin Live. I don't know. I don't really keep up with them enough to know of what they're, if they're still touring. I would imagine they are. Have you seen him play? With the Lynch mob at all?

No, no. But I would love to see that. Yeah. Oh, that's our ex. I forget because, yeah, he's actually currently not playing with him. But he, I would love to, yeah, I would love to see him play in any kind of, any capacity live. Um, he's just, he's awesome. He just seems like a cool dude too.

Um, yeah, I mean, dude, yeah. He still looks cool this day, bro. Like, he looked cool back then. He looks cool now. Big, big fan, man. He's just cool. He's just cool forever. Yeah.

Yeah, he's great. I mean, but, like, can I play a couple docking riffs for you? Is that cool? Can you? Yeah, let's see. Let's see. Let's see. A docking riffs, man.

I think Let's see I can't remember Oh damn it I don't remember actually It's like um Let's do it Fuck

Oh never mind I thought I knew the beginning of that Like because it goes right into the solo It's like Oh that's what it is Fuck Maybe I don't know it I have know it

It's like Yeah Yeah It's been a man. I know like like like parts of it but um but uh yeah. What other, uh, talking rip we jamming? I'm trying to think because that's the one that I always

mostly sound check with. And then um, there's like, um, I'll just keep the lead on because it sounds cool with, with, with these riffs, you know,

that's when heaven comes down, which is on the same album. Uh, bang, boom, boom, bam, bam.

And then, fuck, what's another? Dude, there's a, he has a crazy one. It's called a, it's under locking key. It's called Lightning Strikes again. Probably gonna butcher, let's see. But it's like, it's like a weird stretch. It's really hard. He's like stretching over here.

It's like, it's like, it's like, I can barely do it. But obviously he's the goat. And, but, yeah, it's like, But playing that The band You know,

live and fucking crazy But that's a that's a riff for sure Off of this album Underlocking key That's pretty much like all I know I should learn more What was your sound check your riff? Oh it was the Into the Fire

Which is on Tooth and Nail Okay Yeah Fuck. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't like that the, for the solo, like, I just, I remember, like, certain parts of it, but, but yeah. That's awesome, and yeah. Thank you for playing. And also, for, thank you for trying to remember in real time.

Dude, I know, yeah. I'm always doing that. I'm like, fuck, because I swear my memory's just getting worse and worse. I have to come on, you know. Try and tell. bands man coming here is play dude on the spot it's play dude yeah i mean that's nobody cares

everyone wants to hear riffs it's cool yeah absolutely man yeah yeah well i don't get your tickets now for the dog stars there's no surprise how fast civilization can disappear go out there is kill or be killed jacobloody there are people out there they need our help

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Get tickets now. Cody, anything that I miss, I think we're going to miss Sammy. Yeah, we might. It's like, he said that they're... He's on San Francisco's time. He said five minutes away. Oh. He said I'm down, so it's up to you.

I, you know. Let's stretch it. Yeah, if you guys are down... Please, yeah. I'm having a great time. Thanks, man. Is there something about drain? Yeah.

Already that, like, maybe I might have missed. Like, is there such? Hmm. Oh, you know what? Actually, yeah. You're into World War II history, right? More, more, dude, hell yeah. Yeah, more like, like the Russian Soviet, right?

Kind of kind of, all of it, man. That's a funny pull. That's like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I know I had something like, where is it? And then, bam, it just fucking hit me. That's a really awesome poll there. That's sick.

Yeah, I mean, I love everything about, um. How did you get into that, uh, history? Uh, well, shit. I mean, so when I was a kid, yeah, this is great. Uh, when I was a kid, um, so my, my grandpa, uh, he's 95 now. And he, so he served in the Korean War, right? Wow. So he went over there in like 51, you know, he was there from 51 to 52.

Okay. And he was, uh, um, he was, uh, he was, uh, um, he was. was an artillery man. So he wasn't like a straight up infantry guy, but he was, you know, so that that was, he was a little more behind the lines, like in a foxhole, like, you know, he'd line up the sites for the artillery, you know, hit a mountain, whatever. So, you know, as a kid, he would always tell me stories about being in Korea and stuff. Like, oh, you know, like, tell me all the, what was going on. And it's like, so it got me really interested. And, you know, him being an older fellow himself, like he would, he would watch stuff on TV, like he'd watch Mash, right?

Yeah. You know, like on TV land and stuff. And Mash is about the Korean War. And he was telling me, he's like, oh, yeah, it's like, this is what it looked like for us. And so I was really interested. And, you know, I love my grandpa so much, you know, that I was like so, like, I just, you know, just wanted to know everything about it. He's probably seen some insane shit. Oh, man.

Yeah, I mean, you know, like he, uh, it's funny. I mean, he told me one time that he, um, he, uh, he got thrown in the, in the stockade a couple times, which is like the military jail for a couple days. Because, I mean, he, he said that he, he was so cold in Korea that he was, he was like on, I don't want to say patrol. but he was like on a machine gun. And he was just kind of like nothing was happening. He was just there.

And he was so cold and he saw it in a banded house that still had the fire going. Wow. And he like, he was like, wanted to warm up. So he left his post, right? He left the machine gun unintended. And he went. He was like, warming up.

And I guess the sergeant came in. There's like, Sergeant Chavez. Like, what the fuck? He's like, so they threw him in the jail for a couple of days. And he was like, I don't know. Like, so he got himself in a trouble a couple times. But anyway, so after hearing those stories and stuff, it got me at a really early age it got me really interested in um just just all that stuff so i was really like i would

study up on like uh world war two korea like vietnam like world war one like i was such a like a nerd as a kid um you know learning about that stuff and and uh it just it's still interests me to this day man i mean even last night the hotel i was putting on there's a youtube channel called simple history that shows like these cartoons of like you know it'd be like stories it'd be like oh like you know five unknown soldiers that won the middle of yeah yeah yeah dude shout out simple history man um he uh yeah he just narrates these like cartoons and he like it's super sick um but um yeah man i just i love that stuff man i love that stuff huge star wars nerd too man um yeah you know i knew it war born star wars yeah dude i just yeah it's always always interested in me man

you know and but so you were actually drawn to a history most most most kids just to avoid any kind of schooling dude so it's funny so in school like i mean still to this day bro like i i absolutely hate math like i i'm not to this day like people will be like oh like i'm just like dude like i can't i can't add up whatever like it's sometimes so terrible but terrible i had math to this day um so really the only um the only things i really uh you know connected with in school was like a little bit of english and then also but mainly history because i would get really stoked like genuinely like when we get to those eras like the early 1900 like you know shit like that you know learning about like d-day learning about like um you know this man history is insane because it had happened

dude it happened and if you think about it in the grand scheme of the world i would just think about this the other day this was only 80 years ago so it's like it's like yes that is a long time but in the grand scheme of the world one person you know yeah yeah It's not that long ago. Yeah. It's like, it's like, you know, I don't know, it just trips me out. It's just like, this is more recent than not that this was going on. But, yeah, this stuff will always interest me, man.

I'm always learning more about it, you know. I don't know if you're a YouTube guy at home, but like I'll just, I'll sit at home and I'll just be like, I'll clean my house or if I'll cook some dinner. I'll just have some of this shit going on and I'll just be in your shop. I'll be, oh, fuck, I didn't know that, you know or something. and I just, I love, like, just learning about stuff that I'm interested in. Yeah, history is like, uh, it's, it's on, I have like, uh, I have like a year or two laid out in my, like, calendar things that I want to do and things I want to learn, you know, like, uh, God and like, the Bible are on there.

And like, this history history and war. I'm like, dude, I got to like this, dude, this dive into it one month, just, like, kind of obsess over it. So it's on, it's on my, like, to do list. It's one about crazy history and, Because it's not that long ago. Dude, yeah, it's, it's funny because it feels like it is, but it's like the grand scheme of thing, it's, yeah, man. But yeah, hit my line if you ever want to know some kind of thing.

I will tip my own hat. I do know a lot about a lot of the shit. So too much sometimes. Also, our base is Greg, too. He's very into war history and stuff like that and, you know, everything. Nice. So it was your grandpa that served, correct? Yeah, in the Korean War.

Yeah, from 50 to 52. 1952 yeah wow yeah he probably i mean did was he oh because like you always hear all the time like they're not like it's rare for someone to uh to share like uh war stories you know this i always hear like you know older people tend to really keep that to themselves absolutely did did he share any stories uh he definitely did i mean because like well thankfully he didn't see because he wasn't like a straight up infantryman so he wasn't like in like the the shit like he didn't see like a bunch of combat He was in some firefights, but he definitely got close enough, you know, but thankfully he wasn't in some, like, crazy stuff.

But his, like I said, his job was mainly, like, artillery, and he was just in a foxhole with a couple of guys. And his job was to line the sights up. So there was a guy that would load the, load the, whatever you would call it, just like the ammunition. And then my grandpa's job lined the side up to where they got the coordinates for the mountain. And then the guy would, or the other guy would, like, pull the trigger. he'd pull the you know and then so so yeah but he just would tell me he's like yeah i'd ask him like you know oh did you ever like the food over there he's like nah he's like i miss my mom's cooking you know because you know um and uh you know he'd just tell me like little like funny stuff and they you know because

before they went over they stopped in japan and uh you know got to have some r and r andr before they went to korea you know and um so uh you know he would tell me oh yeah we got to spend a couple days in Japan and walk around. Oh, yeah. Speaking of there. Sammy, you're in, dude. Yeah. You're in. We're just talking. Yeah, we're, we're getting to the point where it's, uh, it's, uh, we're talking about my, my love for like, like, World War II history and shit like that. Oh, we're going way, we're going way crazy now. Yeah, please. Yeah. Oh, look at this, dude. Yeah. Sick. Sammy, it was honored to a meet you earlier. Oh, dude, is on to meet you, man. You get the mic going.

Hey, oh. And you, uh, and you walked in at a great time we're talking about war history. Yeah. Oh, dude. I was like, yeah, I was like, I don't remember ever talking about that, really, but that's sick. Yeah. I know nothing, but I know whatever code, whatever code shared of us, shared for us on the war history side. He's put us on game.

Really? Real loopy on some late night drives. Oh. All of a sudden, what do they call the cadences? Uh, like the songs? Just like military cadences. Yeah. It's like the 1001st airborne one

I forgot what it is. Paladin, Paladin. We start getting real delirious, dude. The Marines, him and all that. He has to play that shit just to be funny and shit. Dude, it's funny. Like, as town passes, when you're with, like, the band, there's a certain time that crosses over,

like, on 10 p.m. Or, like, when you're just, midnight, you're just tired. You start talking, just, you're just, it's just, going. I learned to, like, that's, like, my, like, favorite part. There's things I will say I'll never say. I was telling our drummer. I'm like, Ernie, I'm, dude, I'm wet, dude.

It means nothing, you know, but just. Yo, me and this dude, oh, dude, in the early years, like, I mean, earlier it's into, like, not so long ago, me and code would do the late night shift. We're, like, more night out guys. And our drummer Tim and our first baseball player, Justin, they're more, like, morning guys. So me and code would play the show and then do the,

midnight to 6 a.m. shift. And then once the sun would come up, we'd wake up those guys and they'd take over driving. And dude, dude, sometimes they'd wake up, like, dude, you're like, what? What are you guys talking about aliens? And, like, we were pulled up outside, like a John Deere factory. We pulled over and we had to close our eyes for a second because we were talking about like moon landings and shit.

And they're like, dude, you guys can't be driving. Get off the road, too. Oh, my goodness. It's so fun, dude. The late night stuff. Dude, and like, kind of fall on a sleep while driving. Not sick. But kind of.

When nothing. that happens you laugh about it after and you're like dude this is insane yeah yeah i remember there was one time we were coming into Vegas there was like outskirts of Vegas wherever that that the xx y y z oh yeah yeah yeah the sun was barely coming up sammy you were driving i was we were just up all night you know i remember we were like damn i think it was you or me were like damn they got they got chickens here on the road like what the fuck and we get closer it's just a bush on the road like yeah we got we got to go to sleep man this is crazy like get off the road man yeah yeah yeah that exactly who named this road i see it every like

my whole career i seen this road who bro have you got have you pulled in there it's no oh dude you got to go it's it's it's you in there dude look look at that it's it's it's like an oasis my yeah i'm probably off but my knowledge was that they were trying to make this like a like a vagus like this artificial city in the desert and it just didn't take off so the landscape is there to have this beautiful, like, destination in the middle of nowhere, but it just didn't, like, take off, but it's, like, really beautiful. The swings,

yeah, like, on this lake, yeah. Dude, it's abandoned. It's crazy. Yeah. Wasn't there, like, a guy selling, like, Pepsi's right? Remember, he had, like, a little ice chest, like an old man who's like, hey, I was like, dude, what the fuck is going on? How long you been out of here, man? Yeah, it was just so sick, dude. Go past many times. I've never.

Dude, there's, this, there's your inspo to pull off and go scope it out, do some exploration next tour you guys are out there next next next two set silence tour pulling off there you go so yeah where so where's that again is it so that that's past bar still way past bar still right yeah i think it's on the way to vegas somewhere in that like hills have eyes territory of california in devada i don't know where yeah yeah well uh sammy i i want to get some quick hit history on you oh real quick when uh where were you born dude hell yeah man I'm born in San Pedro, California.

So down here, yeah. And I stay there until I was 18. And then I've been to Santa Cruz since. Did you go to Santa Cruz because of college? Yeah, I went there right. Like I turned 18 and then a week later I went to school there. I left and that's the best thing ever happened. Yeah, best things ever happened for me.

Dude, imagine if you didn't go there. Dude, we would not be here, right? Man, we had a lot of these. Last night, I went down memory lane, leaving war to where we're driving through. we're driving through. So Long Beach is like, there's a port of L.A. Port of Long Beach right there. My whole family in Pigeo works on the waterfront.

And like when I was in high school, it's a super desirable job to have super just like union, fucking on the waterfront. Like I was 17,000 on a wait list. I applied when I was in high school. And yeah. And right. We put our second record out Living Proof. And my number got pulled.

And if you miss the first. meeting you're disqualified and it was the first day of the Living Proof Tour and my dad was like crying literally saw like please please go and I'm like this is my plan B or my plan A which is doing music

I'm gonna go plan A and I fucking gave my number up yeah and so we're driving through last night through Long Beach trying to get to Pedro for a second and like going through the waterfront container ships and it looks what is it looks like Final Fantasy Yeah, dude.

If I'm talking on the street on my boy Mark here, I'm jumping off. Yeah, dude, it's just crazy. Yeah, so my whole family's down the waterfront and like my dad's like a boss on one of the yards. And it's just crazy. But that's, yes, if I never went there, I would probably be there and probably be quite unhappy, to be honest. Yeah. You know, like no, no dis, no shade on it. It's just that, man, I'll get crushed by container.

I'm not cut out for this, dude. I can barely walk straight in a straight line like that's. They shouldn't let me near heavy equipment. Yeah. How long was the waiting list again? 17,000. Dude, I thought, I heard you wrong. I thought, I heard you wrong.

I thought you were like, 1700. No, no, 17,000. I applied in 2012. Right when I was in high school. Yeah, like it was when I turned 18, I applied. And then at, yeah, in 20, whatever that was, 20, 24. Yeah. My number got pulled so 12 years later.

What the hell, dude? Yeah, life, life could have gone a very different route. You know what I mean? Who signs up for a 17,000? wait list. Dude, it's like, it's crazy. It's crazy.

It's super desirable spot, you know, for what is this dangerous work, man, real, like, yeah. So is a container work, is that, that's known to be pretty dangerous. Yeah, dude, super. I mean, just by the nature of it,

it's, you know, super, for that reason, they got like crazy union benefits. It's super like, yo, and they strike, they shut the whole port down and it, like, kind of fucks things up.

That's, I think the biggest port in the West Coast. And then coming in comes from there. So it's wild, man. Super wild gig. Wild. But I'm like, dude, I think I'm the softest person from my hometown to San Pedro. I'm like, dude, I'm not cut out for this, man.

I got so much respect, but I can't hang, dude. Just like the act of that is nuts. Yeah. Dude, I like FaceTime my dad. Sometimes he answers like somewhere. Like that's his view. He's on a crane. He's like, what up?

You good? I'm like, yeah. Okay. So when you told your dad like the answer, what was his response? Oh, dude. he was devastated. He was like, do you please I'll miss the first show? Or like, maybe you can, like, I can fly. Fly. I'll pay for your flight to like make the meeting in the morning and you can fly to the first show in Seattle. I'm like, nah, I'm going to miss sound checks. I'm not going to do that.

It's our first time playing these new songs and like, I'm going to full send it in and just go for it. You know, I'm like, I have no regrets. I think that's, I was talking to some, I met a lot of kids this weekend and kids are asking, you know, all sorts of questions. And that's like one of things I'm like, dude, just you have to send it. If you want it, you have to really. You have to really send it. And that means kind of jumping in and you don't jump into the unknown. You don't know. I don't know what's going to happen.

Now maybe maybe that record dropped like tanked and maybe the band tanks and fucking the tour tanks and whatever. And I'm like, wow, I wasted that great job opportunity. And you'll never know. You'll never know. You have to send if you want something. You know you got to go for it. You try to go for it, man.

Yeah. And fully jump in the deep end. There's really no. If you want it, you can't, you can't halfway it, you know? You can't. And it's scary. But that's why it's like the people who. you know who do it and really send it i've i've all respect for everyone who tries even if it doesn't

work out but they you tried you know and we just got really lucky that it has so far worked out really well for us you know crazy so you met a lot of people this this past weekend and so you were getting approached with some questions yeah do you do you remember one of them oh dude well hilarious because like dude how do you know how do you know i do you don't like what i sing in a band like what should i do like don't do this yeah no i mean do do that you but stuff like that we're just like yeah like um it's so funny too because i mean like younger kids will ask questions that like we've never thought of you know what can like do like how did you like find your your your your agent talk what like just go play the shows and that will come yeah just worry about that lady yeah

like do you like what's you like kids ask me like bro oh yeah i don't know dude don't know dude Don't ask me this, man. Just go rock. And like, things will fall into place as they're supposed to, you know? Like, um, rock first and then hopefully things fall in the place. Dude, so it's like you can have all the right. You can have the all the right back in. But dude, if you're not rocking, doesn't really matter.

You know what I mean? Like, and that's what you get a rock and band. And, um, the rest of it is just as it goes, you know, it'll fall in a place as it gets there. Totally. I've had a, deans point that, that you bring it up is like some people ask me questions. like they haven't even like recorded any music yet or play shows yet hey dude how do

i do get sponsors i'm like bro you're like so backwards i don't even know what i i i can't i can't dame you back yeah this is like you're so backwards it's like dude you got you get a rock for 10 years dude bro is it a social media thing is that why i can't like is that where like the the the trajectory of how it's supposed to go like the normal order of how it's supposed to go i think maybe gets it's skewed, especially for young kids. I'm like, dude, don't worry about that. Don't worry about selling out your first show. Don't worry about like whatever.

Just go play. Make your first band. It's going to suck. It should suck. You know what I mean? And then just go do it. And like, you get better and like, how do you know all these people? Like, well, we didn't know anybody.

Yeah. You just, you go on a tour and then you meet, you go on tour the band and they have a merch guy and you are selling shirts next to him for a month. And then you're like, yo, this guy rocks. And then now that's your merch guy. Now that's your T.m. Like, that's the part of your crew. You meet people as you go.

And, like, we didn't know anyone. Dude, so many memories, like, we first pull up to a city, I would just, like, DM someone. Like, hey, like, you live in Arizona. Can you book us a show? And, like, okay. Oh, yeah. And then we'd walk in. I mean, dude, Salt Lake especially.

I don't know why this one stands out because, like, I don't know. Everyone there's just, like, face tatted up, gold teeth. Like, really, like, certain look, you know, a certain vibe. I'm like, I don't know what I'm here. So I'm just going to go up to every. single person here like hey my name Sam I play in dream we're playing today like we're one of like the five bands

playing the show nice to meet you and then I don't know like it was just cool like oh I don't know you know you said people remember that and I remember that and it's like how did you meet those guys I just said what's up I don't know I just rolled up and said what's up and then like five years later we're all still playing in bands together you know whatever I don't know that makes

sense but I'm like a lot I'm caffeinated I'm mad caffeine in summer yeah I'm on fire dude that that's my life dude Just caffeine all the time I feel like all of a sudden I'm hearing myself back I'm like whoa I'm rapid firing

I got a little voice back and I'm ready to go crazy No no you your best case scenario So okay so I've heard Cody talk about it but didn't really give a clear answer So just to set the record straight now You will know when did Drain start I hear it tells him 14 but it's not really in an exact start date Yep 14 2014

I was at the first So there was like the first lineup of Drain was it's quite a big there you see that same was it oh who the fuck is that

dude so epic that's crazy that's the discos that was the demo cover yeah damn that's insane

dude I haven't actually seen them forever that's uh yeah man so like the band started we all

well the original lineup was we all went to UC Santa Cruz and so me and Tim are the only you know

people when I say OG I'm talking like about there was there was like a few different people for the first like month but all this kids in the dorms like and it's kind of funny people ask that now I'm like dude like you know

you know when you're in a place where you're maybe like kind of deprived of like people who pull from the same stuff so you just work with what you got you're like yo there's this kid who I've seen on camp that's crazy whoa what is this that's I don't explain that

I can explain that dude this man I've tried my best to the music from the internet, but I can't scrub the art. That's literally the, the business. So this is like a two-song, like, demo thing that we, like, recorded in my garage with, like, that's it forever, dude. Yeah, that's the first guy is playing guitar.

What was it? Yeah, Nate the hate. Yeah, yeah, that's a riff from that, that tape here. This is a pre-cody, yeah, cornered and Nate the hate, dude. See, that's just so funny. It's like, I don't know, people like, You know, no one should know this. So it's okay.

I'm like, yeah, Drain's like a new band. I'm like, I'm new to you and I'm glad to be. But we have been, whether anyone knew about it, we have been a band and playing for well over 12 years, man. Yeah, dude, and just chipping away at it, you know. Yeah, dude, so it's just like in the dorms, just like, like, oh, there's a dude that we see walk around with like a Power Trip shirt and one guy who loves Thin Lizzie and one guy who likes,

you know, just like kind of whatever. It's just like, fuck, yeah, let's just do a band. do you know what I mean? And so I the band started in 2015 I feel the band that people know came around 20 fucking 17 16

once Cody like came in the mix as a guitar player you know like Cody filled in once for us we met him through his band that Cody was originally a drummer that we did a tour with and that's where we were like yo you're like kind of a ripper guitar he's like oh can I see that real quick

like dude why don't you play in a band like and we hit him up to Dylan for a show and then this kind of, you know, how it goes, naturally evolves in. But yeah, man, so the band started in 2014. I don't have a more, I don't know exactly the date. But yeah, dude, and just played around wherever we could play in Santa Cruz, you know. So it took, it took like five years really a finer song.

I mean, from like an outsider, like California cursed coming in 2020. Really, it kind of was like a more, like this is like the drain sound. Exactly, dude. And that's, I think, once we really start, like I said, code coming in. Because to those songs, the song California Curse was off of promo we did in 2018. And so it was probably written in 2017. Really? Yeah, probably.

We probably played it for a year before we actually recorded it. So a little, something like that, you know. But, yeah, you work with what you got. And it's like, then we finally figure out our sound. And even as simple as like we tuned, we dropped to a half step. down you find where my voice sits naturally with that there it is boom yeah it's like oh it actually sounds a little better in this

tuning and everything cuts through a little better and at one point we're like a two guitar bam and then we just kind of like do like one kind of is perfect yeah dude a power a power four piece oh yeah yeah dude I'm a big believer in one guitar army to be honest yeah if you could pull it off dude do it yeah dude

shout out mind force tsunami yeah I feel like there's quite a few. I'm blanking right now. I mean, obviously, like, classics, you know, you got Pantera, Van Halen. Those are all four pieces. But, you know, in our, from our, like, yeah, Mind Force. There was another one I just was, I don't, yeah.

It's probably going to come to me like tonight when I'm laying in bed at three in the morning. Oh, yeah. I'm like, damn it, that was a band. I'm supposed to shout. But yeah, dude. So pretty sick. Pretty sick. We're talking earlier because I asked Cody about how did you guys come up with,

through the pressure and then he said okay so he put the first for everything he mentioned oh yeah I think Sammy honed me a riff homing like like like okay I think you hummed me

the chorus yeah that was you right yeah yeah okay yeah that's what I figured yeah yeah dude it's it's so funny we were kind of talking about this on the way down like as we're driving down here like okay I've never

up until more recently I've never really thought about like songwriting you know what I mean and like how to write it was kind of just always like play this riff and then like we got another cool riff we could put into it and I think that was one of the first like songs that we wrote like it has like a really clear like here's the verse and the chorus and like they really flowed in really nicely we didn't know why or how to do that it just kind of did but that

I'm like yo I think we would just do a big ring out and hum that pattern out but dude that was just like an intro the drain intro for like a while and so it's really funny and like Like it's been so cool to see like that you know sometimes like oh we played in the city whenever in 20s 17 and there was five people there. Um and now you play the same city like I found a video of us in Chicago and it was like you know a lot for a lot of times it's a different song that's the one song where it actually is the same song where it's like here's us playing that song in 2017 to five people and here's us playing that same song and it's cracking now. You know like it's really cool. Okay. I want to put you on a spot so okay so so he's he's playing a riff right right okay is this okay sick

keep keep playing that so how how do you hum it to him like hey do you like hear something you just like hum it out like what's like the i i wish i remember more of that i remember we just i don't know i rehearsed a spot and yeah yeah probably just like like because i don't know we would just sit and just get in the room and just play together you know we've never ever done the like pre-pro thing like you know i sent you this like i say you the song i wrote here's a I was like, you know, like, I have this idea, maybe that's like the most. We come in like, this idea, this is what I was thinking, but like, we write together. You know what I mean?

Like, and so it's just kind of there. And like, for better or worse, sometimes it means it goes slow. But like, we do it. That's just how we've done it, you know? And I like it. I like it. I like, we'll play it. And then just once we get to the end, like, I don't know.

We stop. What do we do? All right, like, where would I think it goes? Like, ha, ha, ha, ta-da-da-da-da-da-da. I don't know. And like, all the, all the flare, that's. all the code sauce i feel like well i come with a very stripped down bare bones thing and then was you just codify codify dude said that did a little pitch is you know like that's that's that's what

and then it's drain then it's a drain song you know what i mean like yeah especially like the last one we wrote was like everything started a little bit more stripped down you know like um like structure wise and then we we run it through the code filter and then it becomes a drain song you know very sick And also I asked him also about this song, how, what mean you guys write who's having a fun? How did that kind of come up? Because it's a totally, and then he mentioned you came up with the baseline, right? Yeah, dude. So like, so, okay, I mean, if I have to load that up.

Yeah, I mean, long story, we haven't, up until recently, we've just kind of have like a floating bass spot live. You know, we have, like, different friends play it. And I kind of been teaching myself bass just through watching code and learning. and learning stuff from this guy and just like kind of to hold the space at practice, you know? Like, and so before we even sat down and we're like writing a new record, I just kind of like trying to teach myself to play this thing. And I came out with this little like baseline.

And it was a little different than what is the final version. But I just like having fun with it and just twowing around. And like, we went to practice and I was like, I kind of was like fart around with this idea. Like I don't know if we could, I don't know if you could be a drain song, but like, you don't know, what do you guys think? And then we kind of started this building on it, building and layering and layering. And then it's like, oh, actually, this is different, but we can make it feel like us, you know?

Yeah. That's what's like been so cool. I mean, we did the good good things cover that is, you know, the song. The last record, and that was our first, I mean, shit, I never ever thought I would ever be doing clean singing, you know. But like, I just love that song. And when we did that, it was like, we'll probably never play this live. Let's just like let's just do it and it would be really fun to listen to and I don't think we'll ever play it live and we The first we tried it it went off, you know and so it's like damn it didn't we never wanted to be like a lull

You know it's like oh that's there's like there's songs and then there's like that thing where for three minutes everyone just kind of like sits there looks we know yeah and so we tried it and like yo kids are piling up they're singing along their crowd surfing it feels the energy still feels the same and so it was really cool but there was always this like well that was It was great, but it's someone else's song, you know? And like, we've made it, in a way, we've kind of made it our own. And I love that. But I always like, dude, we unlocked a new, like a new level. We opened a new door. Like, we can do that and it still feels like drain, you know? So I was like, maybe this would be a drain song, but I don't know.

And sure enough, we did it and you just, you feel it, you know? And now live, dude, it's kind of like a highlight in our set, you know? Yeah. Kids are like, it's such a good film when a new song becomes that, you know? He usually like, oh, like, that's a new one. I want to hear the old shit. And like, it's so cool. Like, you, like, stealing happiness from tomorrow and who's having fun or new songs on our set,

but they're like kind of the best pop from the whole set, you know, and they're new ones. It feels good, man. I love it. Did you have a different approach to your lyrics? Because it kind of sounds more personal. Am I wrong there? Yeah. No, you're not wrong at all, man.

Like, I'm always trying to, like, learn and change up, you know. I don't want to fix what's not broken. But I'm always, I'm always down to try new things. You know, and so, like, I always used to sit with my notepad and just, like, write lyrics and stuff. Once the songs were, I could never write before. I always have to write once there's music to it. Yeah. But this record, like, I didn't plan it out.

I just got, like, a puppy. And, like, I just got a puppy and, like, we don't have a yard. I live in an apartment. And so I would just go walk. And I would just take a million walks to not get this puppy to pee in our house. And I would just be walking all the time. And so I would just like put the demos on in my headphones and just listen to it and then just kind of like mouth it out. And before I realized I was like, like coming up with like lines and patterns and phrases, just whatever I'm thinking and feeling.

And I think because of that it just came out a little bit maybe feeling more personal. I don't know. And so I never to go record, I actually like I wrote the lyrics down at the studio because everything was just in my head. I had like worked out like whole like four or five complete songs full lyrics like okay this be the first verse this is the chorus but I never like sat put pen to paper um just walking around Santa Cruz yeah um never coming who's having fun like walking on our like a long street called Westcliff right on the beach which is this is where we filmed part of this video is driving down that street like that's on Westcova was just walking my dog and like sometimes I feel like you know

just coming up with this melody in my head and putting words to it and just looking at the ocean and just that's what came out and yeah really organic really crazy it's cool i've never done something like that and it was really nice i would like to do that again with whatever we do in the future you know man so there's something to be said about going out for like long walks something does happen to to your brain when you're when it's like walking thinking and walking yeah man um it i i it's kind of yeah i don't know maybe it's just being turning 30 and like kind of becoming an adult, like prioritizing health and also like, you know, like,

it sounds funny, like, you know, mental health. Like, it's not, it's not funny, but I don't know why. I've just never, I've never thought of that, you know, and I'm like, damn, I'm like, am I like, take a walk and like, damn, I feel better if I, like, walk and drink water like, throughout the day and, like, suddenly my mood's improving. My, my energy's improving. I feel better, you know?

Like, a little bit, sunlight, like, sun, yeah, too. Going to bed early, trying to. Yeah, do, like, a little stuff like that. And it's, it's really weird how, like, It works. Turns out it's real. That stuff actually helps, you know.

And you're, and your street is correct? Yeah, man. How long? Almost 10 years now. 10 years. Yeah,

almost 10 years. Thanks, man. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's been really wild. Like, I never was,

like, into drugs, really, but I just, I really liked to drink. And, I don't know, I was, when I was,

I was saying the first time I was, I was, I was saying the first time I hit you up outside of, like, our tour thing. I was like, . It was before we even toured.

It was like, damn that's like 5 a.m. I'm like bro, we should party sometime. Yeah, hit me up on Facebook and I was like, yeah, I'm down dude. I remember I just came through one Friday or something. That's so Friday. We like we killed a bottle of the unfiltered sake

like the oh you know what I mean? Like the milky one or whatever. And it was like we're just bump in music and it honestly was very fun. It was sick. We just yeah, we just love to and just drink. Bonded and then now we're here. Yeah. Dude, like it's really looking back I'm like, dude, like, that's so fried.

But like, that's, that's where I was, man. That's where I was at, you know? And, like, I don't know when it was, like, Drain was already, like, a couple years into being a band. And I still would like, I'll say this. I've always had, like, such a respect for, for shows and for music. And, like, even when I was, like, a fucking party fiend, I never drank at any show I attended.

I never drank at a show I played. I never, like, there was always this weird thing. where I just, like, in my heart, I was like, I, that's, I can't bring that into this, like, sacred place, you know? Like, and that's how I look. I'm like, listen, no judgment. I'm not put out. I never, like, I never, I never, never shot right.

I never, like, you know, hooked up with someone from a show and I had this weird, like, oh, I'm going to see someone. You know, it's like, I just, this is my sacred place, man, and I just never fucking want to tarnish that, you know? And, like, I'm thankful I have. And, uh, but, yeah, this is this moment where I was just, like, we were kind of playing and, like, We played LA one time, one of the first few times.

And, like, we went back to my family's house. Like, I was just parted. We hit the cha-cha. Oh, yeah. Chacha. We had the cha-cha. Chacha lounge. Yeah.

And I got, like, drunk. And, like, it's just bad. Like, bad. And I was like, dude, I can do this or I can, like, I can party or I can do music. You had to choose. I can't do both, though. You had to choose. Yeah.

And, and you know what? Like, I have all the respect to everyone who can. I just, I don't know if I have that in me, you know? And, like, there was never like, you have, like, one beer. It was like, yo, like, let's fucking, it's, it's, the guy you see on stage is that, but, like, in your living room. You know what I mean? I'm like, yo, let's, let's fucking jump off something.

Let's break something. Let's, like, scream and kick a window out. And it's like, dude, you can't do that, man. And, like, so I feel fortunate to, like, found a way to, like, channel that, you know? We still get a little rowdy. We still get a little rowdy on the, on the road. The hotel rooms have seen some nonsense, but it's, it's time and a place for it, you know? And I'm very thankful that it would have never been able to be a thing that works if I did both.

There's just no way. You know, I knew that. It's not an easy choice, but it does help and you have like a very clear cut. I cannot do this if I keep doing this. Dude, yeah, man. It's just, it's crazy. Like I knew. I just, I knew.

And I'm like, so my like my girlfriend, now wife, we both like, we just kind of like, hey, I think we're like done. And so we both, we got like sober together and just like have both. I'm sick. Yeah, so it's been, yeah, about 10 years. Congrats, man. Yeah, thanks, man. Wow. Even, but even for, like, I feel so lucky our whole camp. Like, even for, like, Cody's not edge, like, it's, we just don't, we don't. We're not a party band.

I mean, I feel similarly, too, where it's like, I, I treat the shows as, like, a sacred place, too. So it's like, I don't, like, maybe at the most of a fan wants to buy me a shot or something before the set or for friends there and they want to, like, take a shot. But, like, I'll never get drunk, and I've never been drunk playing a show because I just, just, just, don't it just does never interest to me you know and i just want to be there mentally sound to be able to do what we got to do and play totally and um you know what i mean but yeah yeah it's awesome it's sick i've had a i've had a i've had a voice in my head however you want you want to call it like to stop drinking like something was telling me you need you need to stop because you want to keep doing this you got a and uh i i've i've i've avoided it for a long time i guess uh well

yeah i stopped drinking or i wrote this record i was sober but kind of open out those two years I just avoided him. I know I got two beers or three beers or but it was enough to weigh me down. Yeah. And finally when I fucking made me to switch about four months ago, things that I started to slowly line up. Dude. Musically.

Very important. That's huge, man. Congrats. I thought that first, that first chunk is like, at least for me, the first like six months of year was like really difficult. You know, really in like, but it, but like I know, I knew it was working. It was the right call. It was just like, damn, like, I realize, I'm like, dude, I haven't been outside of a show.

Like, I'm like, dude, I haven't been sober on a Friday night in like seven years. What do I do on a Friday? Like, what do you do if you're not in a show with your friends? Like, what do you do? You know, like, finding little things. That was the hardest part to, like, get into, like, what is a new normal, you know? And like, new normal. It's a good way to put it.

Yeah. And, like, now, like, normal to me is probably like, yo, like, so many people are like, yo, you guys are boring as fuck. I'm like, I am, dude. I don't know what to say. It's like, dude, like, that's what it is, you know? But that's how we get to get up and go kick ass, you know? Like, I can't.

Hey, you know what? When you're born, you get a lot of shit done. Dude. Alone? When you're alone, you get a lot of shit done when you're, when you're fucking boring. Oh my God. Dude, I'm like, I remember like peak. I was like, I was setting an alarm at 3 p.m.

To go to work at four. And I used to work like four to midnight. Wow. Just like a bakery. Like I, like, a bakery. I worked at this like cookie bakery and like downtown Santa Cruz. Like it was insane. It was sick scoop and ice cream and like baking cookies.

It was dope. But like, yeah, it's just the whole, the whole thing, everything starts falling in. Your, your day to day starts changing. Your routine starts changing. You start being more productive, a little sharper up here. Yeah. Can't speak highly enough. Recommended a big time.

Totally. Yeah. You get a little, like, this little, like, clicks. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, it's been one of my secret weapons. Like, yeah, I mean, I'm boring, but when I'm alone, that's when, a lot of work gets done.

Yeah, dude. Or Friday night, I'm like, okay, I'll probably, knowing when to say no, because you can't say no 100% in time. You know, okay, if a friend will hit me up, okay, I'll have coffee, or maybe I'll go out, they're drinking, I'm just chilling,

having a non-acogal beer. But every once in a while, I'll say yes, but I've learned, unfortunately, like you had to make a choice. Like, okay, am I going to get work done, or am I going to go out, or am I going to drink?

It's just like, dude, I can't imagine now. Like, so 10 years, so I'm 31, So I, yeah, I, I, when I turned 17, I turned 21, I got a fake ID. So I stopped drinking at 21 though. And so, um, bro, I can't like, we talk about like, dude, I feel like today, I feel like I'm I felt like I was dying, just trying to get like sleep and like caffeine and water ratio balance.

You know what I mean? Like, throw like a hangover in. Dude, I would die. Yeah. Like it's on tour. I would die. Do you like, I get car sick pretty bad. So I feel like.

throwing that in like dude and then guess what when i'm getting sick and all my bandmates are there and my friends are like with us like yeah dude this is bad vibe all around dude i can't imagine imagine trying to party last night after playing a set being in the sun all day bro waking up this morning yeah would have we yeah we didn't have energy to wait in and in and out like i can't even imagine having energy to go out and like rage that's crazy you know like we can't hang all her sucked remember uh we uh suicide played the um may Mayan festival like two years ago and pain and truth was the next morning

and I came in here pretty hungover but you know caffeine we wake up caffeine gym all right you could kind of lock in for two hours the moment they fucking left the door I went to the bath and started puking oh I'm like you know what you have like one just moments like this is unprofessional this

is uncalled for and you know it's just few signs yeah they just needs to stop dude that's that's crazy because I've watched that episode I would have had no idea Yeah, you're, you're very smooth. And that, and that's dangerous. Yeah.

That's dangerous. It's not a good, it's not a good school to have. Yeah. That, that actually is true, man. No, I totally, I'm like, it's funny. I'm like, I do, they did. I was like, the last five minutes, I'm like, I hope we could wrap up soon because I'm going to puke. Dude.

So insane, man. Well, shit. So I'm professional, but that thing, I guess thankfully, it in my show. Great band, dude. Oh, yeah. Shout out Painter Truth. Shout a Panet, Michael. everyone, man. Well, dude, in this

episode, as Mike's talking about, like, saying, getting sober, you're probably like, damn, dude, yeah. No, I saw, I saw Mike yesterday, I'm like, dude, like, you're one of the guys said, like, you said something and it just stayed here. Yeah. Die and feed this was a big one.

Damn, this, it just stays right here. I'm like, fuck, and then it's kind of, like, keeps, like, like, re-plane. Yeah, dude. I can't ignore it. It's just like, it just keeps planes. I told him yesterday, I might, you know, thank you, because you're one of the guys that, like, told me, and I just,

kind of stuck with it, just kind of stayed there. I feel bad. He's talking about that. I'm like, yeah, dude, that's crazy. And then I'm hung over. They leave. I'm puking. Fuck. Dude. That's so sick, dude. Damn. I love that. That's like, oh.

Well, Sammy, is there anything about drain that people don't know that you want out there, that you want to... Damn. Hmm. That's a good question. I don't know. I mean... I feel, you know, it's funny, I feel there's, like, so much stuff out there that I'm like, it's better keep some secrets, dude, no, not actually. No, I mean, fuck it.

Yeah, man, I mean, I guess, that's it. I think, you know, the one thing I would probably say is just like, and I kind of touch on it live, you know, I'd probably talk a little bit more than I should when we play. Like, last time we had to cut four songs, so I should keep the banter to a minimum. But that 30 minutes set came up real quick, but yeah, dude, I guess, like, you know, we were talking about it early at coffee it's like dude i think that we might be on a bigger stage and a big band quote unquote

and you know people like oh it's like they're pro they're professionals and it's like we i don't know i add its core though it's like it really is there's not much that's different from our band to like the 16 year old kids in a band that we talk to where i'm like dude like yeah man we might we just we've just played enough we're pretty locked in together but like at its core like there's no there's no there's no clicks There's no in-ears There's no backing tracks

You know what I mean It's like we are Pretty much the same band That you guys are Like we've covered Sikavit all To open our set yesterday You know Shout to Sikv It All

Recipes Lou And we came with that idea The Morning of And we literally stepped off stage Right Two minutes before our set And did a string Run through

For like a minute Yeah Tim's hitting on like the The pipes that are out there And he's like okay Like okay we got it Cool Run it

You know like it doesn't get more like raw in my opinion, you know, than that. And it's like, I don't know, so I guess what with that being said, you know, it's like, when you see a big band up there and I think people maybe think that it's like this unattainable height that they can never get to, that it's like out of reach. I can't be a band like that. It's like, dude, we are the same band that you guys are and you can do that. And don't listen to the nonsense, especially there's so much shit online that's like,

oh, if you want to be on a big, your band wants shows, you need to do this. You need to pay for me to fucking promote your shit. Pay for me to this is how you market your band. It's like, dude, don't do any of that shit. Just go play music with your friends and play from your heart and keep it real and keep it raw. And that's all you need to do. And just be patient. Just give it time.

You know, like, is it 12 years being a band? And in the last couple of things that really turned on for us and started pumping up especially since like, you know, whatever. After shows came back in 2021. But it's like, it takes time, man. don't look at what we're doing and be bummed that your band of, you know, your kids are in high school, whatever. They're like, why don't we look like that? It's like, dude, yeah.

Don't listen. This shit didn't happen overnight and it won't. It shouldn't happen overnight. Takes time and you're on the right track and you're doing everything the right way. Just do it, you know, like, I don't know if that makes sense. Absolutely. You know, it could have been said better, you know. Thank you for that.

Good. So, I close off every podcast, the ESM. There's no rules. but what are three records for people to check out? It could be any genre, any era, year. Damn. That's a good question.

Let's see. And we go over, that's fine too. Shit, any genre, that makes it as really hard. Fuck. I mean, first one, I'll just say, like, Cowboys from Hell Pantera for me. I mean, that's like, that's such, I mean, that influenced me in so many ways.

And I just, I just think it's such a great from front to back record for, if you like, music and every song it has its own unique thing on it and yeah that yeah dude um i'm gonna sound so fake right now i don't know i'm i'm gonna probably have fucked and forget the tail end of it but you were bumping away over here just thin lazy black rose yeah i think what is is it a journey and uh what is the rest of the the name of it it's like black rose something maybe it's not black yeah rock legend that's it black rose rock legend we're jamming on the way down

here and i i i love this record i've fucking love this record. Dude, the opening track, do what you want, dude. It's like, so posy and so rocking. And I, like, sometimes I just put that on just to feel good. That's cool.

Yeah. It's hard, yeah. It's like, it's three all around. Yeah. Is your friend? She. Yeah. Hey, man.

That's a cool third record to check out. Yeah. That is a good. I will say, I mean, yeah. It's on the, way down here, I'm trying, would have been, dude, just because it's on the top, you know, like, shit, right now, I, lately, my, my newest jam, I've been doing on a newer band, Crush Your Soul, Ice Water. I've been jamming that record on a loop, yeah. I love, I mean, I already shout out my enforcement, but I love, I love, I love, I love this voice, so hearing on a different, through a different band, that's one of my favorite newer releases, um, sick. That was jamming all week on the way down here. Um, yeah. Should we got thin, lazy, crush your soul and shit. I know, I kind of, because I feel like, Antaro, it's good, it's good. Sometimes, like, for me, like, I, I listen to a lot of individual songs sometimes and not, like, whole album, at least like these days.

I don't know, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, so I do, but, like, it's just, it's hard, you know, with all the genres. Fucking killing time, Brightside. Just cause, too. Yeah. This shit that's getting me stoked out of. I was seeing all this stuff we were jamming on the way down here.

We were listening to Killin Time for a little bit. Like, we're at, we're at four. Yeah, dude. Yeah, right. Cody, I think we're 02 by you. Yeah, yeah. You know, fuck, I'll just, I'll kind of pull this from like my youth. Goblin, Tyler the Creator.

Oh, I mean, that's like, I just, I'm like, I'm, like, I'm, I'm going to be honest, bro. Like, I just, you know, we're just talking about it. I mean, we talk about it a lot, but like I just, I'm still an O.F, so on future soldier, you know what I mean? Like, I'm the real OF. Yeah, real. Yeah, you know, the first. The old school OF. Drain, Drain's O.

out now in the link tree but uh i mean that's just that's left a lasting impression on on on me and and us and just like as a as a kid and i just you know sometimes we'll bump it out of nostalgia because i just made us go crazy and i don't know it just it's it's yeah we've we mean even before we met we were like seeing we went to you know as we reminisce we oh we were both at the same like Tyler creator show and santa cruz like each other like probably like what like months before we met each or no maybe like like a year but yeah either way yeah but i think about that yeah like uh the spot the catalyst

in santa cruz like i think it's now we know it sounds funny saying this like at the time we're both like 18 and like it's i think it was just goblin out right that was before uh well there's those bastard was goblin oh that was the most recent one right yeah it's like seeing that it's like in our heads at that point like yo this is like god this is the biggest this is the biggest fucking person we've ever seen oh man and in this venue you know and so it's like to then be a band that's like we sold that room out you know it's like i kind of it's it's funny i'm like oh shit dude like i wonder if kids like there's an 18 oh kid that the c's that and us i don't know yeah it's crazy but we yeah this dude it was insane it was insane oh wow well i'm in here

somewhere dude yeah yeah fuck rolling papers i'm a rebel bitch i'm ashen blunts yeah i died in that dude you were in that we were somewhere in there man Wow. And that's how that's so cool. That's how the dream started. Oh, dude. Yeah. Yeah.

Damn, that's a good pool, that's a great pool, dude. I just, I just thought it for my last one. Project Funk the World by Craig Mack. Oh, wow.

Yeah, that's a really good album front of back. New York, 90s hip hop, flavor in year, all that. Can I get down? You know, yeah, he's great RIP too,

but yeah. Never heard Craig Mac. Oh yeah, it's great. I'm sure you've heard flavoring you here. The track made. It's just like classic 90s. Like he was the first artist on bad boy records before Biggie was on there, you know. Just it's a good album, man.

Wow. Damn, hell yeah. I know. We're bumping on the way at home. Let's go. Yeah. Well, is your friend a year old came out last year for check out that record? And where do you want people to go from here?

Shee. Any shows to a push, anything to a production? there you know everyone if you can't come out to the gray day tour man it's gonna be awesome gradiator yeah yeah dude what shit we talk about the Tyler creator fight that's like we see we see seeing that show it's like yo hip hop the show looks just like a a punk show you mean it's like it's kind of punk rock we just through a to a different filter you know and so this is the same deal man like that's gonna be these are the biggest shows we've ever played so longest two we've ever been on either um it's gonna be shout out shake well yeah shout out i mean everyone

I'm a huge shoreline mafia fan, so I'm excited. It's going to be great. It's awesome. And congrats to you guys. You're playing San Bernardino at the Glen Helen. That's actually in my dream finding to play one day, and we haven't done it yet. So you guys are doing it. Good.

Congrats, man. Thank you, man. Thank you. If you're around, come through. Yeah, let's go. I will be honored. We've got you, man. Yeah, I'm, I saw like, made in there.

I'm like, and so it's crazy to be like, dude, I can't move playing that in the spot. It's insane. Yeah. I was like in a high school scene made in there. Yeah, and then I don't know if I can't divulge too much, but we're doing a, we're working on the last headliner we did, which is in support of the Is Your Friend, we didn't get to play SoCal.

We did Coachella and we couldn't do a SoCal headliner show. So we're working on a really special one in a couple months that we're putting out soon. So I'm great. If you can't hit grade A, oh, stay tuned. We got a really dope. If you're in SoCal, it's the biggest, biggest draighton headliner show we've ever done. Beautiful, man. It's going to be really special.

Sounds good. Cody, Sammy, thank you for being here, man. It's cool. Pleasure. Thank you, man. Thank you, man. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, buddy.

All right, everyone, that's it. Later. Love you guys.