Garza Podcast - 250 - MAULED: Deathcore, Emmure, Ninja Turtles & AI in Art

Episode Date: September 14, 2026

Garza sits down in-person with Indianapolis, IN deathcore band MAULED. New EP “When Your Eyes Are Shut” out now! https://instagram.com/mauleddcGet ad free episodes, Garza’s guitar tone & more here: https://patreon.com/garzapodcast00:00 - Nu Metal Influence06:03 - Working w/ Frankie Palmeri & Emmure10:15 - Jason Aldean12:34 - Getting into Heavy Music14:48 - The Infamous Emerson Theater17:30 - Ninja Turtles Parody22:20 - Hard Headbanging27:14 - Trapt & Flaw29:24 - Abe Meeting His GF & Band31:24 - Eli Leaving Football for Mauled35:57 - DJ Being a Dad42:50 - Animosity43:30 - Abe’s Deathcore Deep-Dives47:31 - Whitechapel & Deathcore Influence50:36 - Garza Shows Mauled Wrench & Wormed56:40 - What Kids Are Listening To Today?1:00:35 - AI in Music1:10:18 - Eli Meeting Garza as a 14-Year-Old1:11:30 - Mauled’s Top 5 Albums

A new metal guy. I like people who know what's up their moment they fucking walk in. Oh yeah. You know, I don't want anyone to be, like, confused. Who is this guy? We fucking love New Metal, so, I mean, it's fucking awesome. That's what we listen to. New Metal is just, it's good for your soul.

Yeah, it's a shit. I don't think, I really don't think we would have, like, suicide silence at bands like that if new metal didn't happen. Oh, no, I told people that. It's a huge chain reaction. That's weird. That's what you would call it. It's like a chain reaction. Imagine there is no new medal

literally the six of us, seven of us wouldn't even be in this room. Exactly, that's true. A mold will not exist. At all? I don't think so. We got, if it's just listening on a spot up our app, but we have all of Mald in here.

A, the singer, DJ, bass, Chance, Tyler, Eli. What up? Thank you guys for being here. Thanks for having us. Thank you for having this. Yeah, I'm making the worst drive. Yeah.

It's a day. deadly drive down scary one dude down the five it's just uh yeah especially when you're laying in a bunk can't see what the fuck's going to yeah yeah just imagining what's probably happening in the front of yeah it's like we'd make any draft for you though Chris oh I you know appreciate that I was I was jamming them all the all this morning was cool yeah it's as heavy as fuck dude it's fucking heavy man Good. And then, yeah, listening to some new metal. And I want to, I want Jay to get a picture on the screen.

And I just want to see if it invokes any feelings. Okay. Let's get it. See, see what happens. What is this place? Ooh. Who? This is the healer.

That is the healer. It's a good spot. It's a good spot. What's the healer? The healer is, it's like a, um, it's called they call it a music venue but it's really like

they have like these weird sections of like cool like abstract art like all over the place and then in the back at the venue if you were tripping in there'd be insane like the venue looks insane it's literally a maze of art yeah like all these pictures

like those are little sections like there's a section where it's just like broken computers there's a coffin they used to have a guitar hero machine it's totally like longer have that. Really? They had a guitar here,

a room. It's siked out, man. I know the reason why it's not dating. Yeah. But yeah, that's the actual venue. I was like, where the bands play, right? Right there.

That's the green room to the left. It's a dope spot, though. It's super awesome. The sound is great, but, like, the stage, you're literally just in, like, there's no side entrance, so you have to walk through the crowd

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see you there That was chance, that was your favorite venue, correct? Yes. Wow. Yes, it was. I love He was. Yeah, because from the outside, it doesn't look like a music venue. Mm-hmm.

It looks like a place you go to do drugs if I'm going to be. It's kind of, just from at the outside. Yeah. It really is when, well, I mean, fuck, they're probably doing it still while music's being played. Another good thing about that venue is that there's always a good turnout. Oh, yeah. Always sick or one. It had like a built-in crowd.

Have you ever, like, experience that with like, maybe chain? Of course, yeah. Of course, yeah. The dependings around here all have built-in communities and fan bases. Yeah, it's awesome. Hoosierdoms like that as well. Yeah. They got the dedicated fans.

That was the outside. We never... I've never seen that part of the venue. They closed it right before we started playing there. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, I thought maybe Moll played there. I don't know.

Well, they closed the outside. The outside. Oh. Where those buses were. The inside section is now the only thing there. They used to have like a whole expanded outside section where they're Okay. I hadn't even seen it until then.

Dude, do you serve alcohol there? Do people that go out there and drink? Yeah, they have a... It's just beer, though. It's like a separate room where they sell just beer. Oh, okay. It's like little craft. Nothing crazy.

I think the... They got PBRs. So many memories just looking at this, bro. Yeah. Like the Gates run, dude? We haven't played there in a long time, though. Was Gates to hell the last time I played there? Yeah.

Yeah. It's been a minute, dude. January. Damn. Yeah. Dude, this art is like... Dude, I'm trying. I know some people are listening to them to try.

I'm trying to find words to describe it. I cannot describe it. You're going to have to look at the pictures. I'm sorry. See what I'm saying? I'm at, I'm at a loss for words right now. I'm sorry. It's just straight up like abstract, like fever-drained.

Like who made that? There's so much in there too. Like you can just go in there and walk around for like an hour. There's a room where you have to crawl into. You crawl into it? Yeah, okay. So there's a, the sound board where they mix in front of the stage. To the left of it, there's like the secret room that's always blocked off by March.

you crawl into it and when you get in there it's just like super eerie it's like weirdly quiet and it's the room where people go and sign the names of their loved ones and that have passed away

and they give them a message and they write it down wherever you can in the room it feels different but it's like it's also like really pretty in there how big is actually also it's not

so you can't have to crawl into a door that's like this big it's meant to like for you to be on your knees and write something and it's like it's weird dude It's like this. I like that.

I was going to say, like, you guys should have the next, like, Mald listening party in there. Yeah. It'd be just us in there. That's all. Mald unplugged. Or if you want to hear a new mall, we have a,

the only CD is it in this room. You got to fucking, you got to fucking crawl to get it. I've got to do an Easter egg to find our new shit. That would be sick. So, when your eyes are shut, March came out March

2006. Yeah. Sick, man. Yeah, yeah. I was jamming a mouthful of glass. Yeah, it's red. That's one of my favorite ones.

That's one of my favorite. Who, uh, who DM Frankie? Me. You did, okay. Me. Nice. The story is really fucking funny.

I texted him. Um, I said, Hey, um, we just recorded a record. Would you like to be on a song? Yeah.

He said, Yes. let's take this to email and then oh yeah we went to email and i was like not a diss at all but like i was surprised by like how articulate he is with his words and um you were just texting me we're like yeah and then we settled on an amount to pay him because i mean nobody does features for free anymore unless they're like you're good buddy but and i'm sure he would have done it for free had we done the spite to her yeah but um like next year in europe because we're to him with the mirror next year Hopefully he does the spot

Yeah Yeah that would be cool if he did it live But um Yeah Are you allowed to see that? What You guys are going on tour? It's right here

Yeah yeah Oh it was announced on I was like oh did he just drop some Oh cool No high heat yet Oh okay You gotta drop some heat Yeah

It's if you scroll down It's right there It's right there Spite a mere distant mall Oh yeah It's our first time in Europe Yep Yeah

Yeah Do you think the full length Come up before then Um Fuck now There's no way probably Putnoe.

Putno. Taking our sweet time with that shit, man. But I was trying to, I was trying to explain to him over email that we want him to do the thing that he does on, I met telly,

you know that song? Like the talking. I'm probably the waspard. Oh yeah, yeah. That's why he does that. Yeah, I wanted him to do the speaking cadence into screaming.

You knew what you wanted. Absolutely. I think this band always knows what they want. That's very true. When we're writing our music, at least it's just I don't know we we have a very particular vision that's the that's the go that's the guy the step the Curry shoot yeah that's what was funny

about it yes I said I said there's this meme where it's curry the basketball player Stefan Curry shooting a basketball from the moon it's like it's like a Hail Mary like like Hail Mary hey would you do this feature and he just he replied weirdly fast I will say it was like 30 seconds yeah This is the picture we sent to Frankie. What am I looking at? It's him shooting a ball to earth. But that's us shooting our shot at Frankie, you know what I'm saying?

Okay. Okay. Got it. Somehow went in. Yeah, bro. You never know. Yeah. Nothing but net, bro.

When Frankie and Amir, he just know that voice. Yeah. And when you have such a, like, a distinct sound. I'm like, so it's when it came out, I knew it was Frankie before I found out. Exactly. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think that's why we liked them so much.

And plus, like, when we were writing this record, we were just jamming the fuck out of Gallows. Oh, yeah, you have to. That record is fucking amazing. You have to. I love Speaker of the Dead, man. Yeah, that's a very... It's all fucking good, dude.

I think that's one of the best things ever. Those first three are amazing. Yeah. Go ahead. I'm trying to lay down the history of your band mall because there's not many interviews of your band. Yeah Out there

Don't fucking point Why are you pointing at me? Because Don't make it weird Why are making it weird man So Okay so Abe you

You have a story Where you were listening To Jason Aldeen She's country Yeah And there's And you

You describe a riff Yeah It's like this rips heavy What rift was it It's gonna be on the fulling Um Yeah It actually is

So the song, she's country, it's like, I think it's O, 2, 1, and that's the riff. It's just da-oh. Oh. Dan-dan-dan-dan-d-d-d-d-d-do-a-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d. Yeah, it's good. Where is it? Where is the, we have Stanx. I think it's the first riff.

Is it the first rip? Yeah. Like when it kicks in. We're from the Midwest and Cornfield. So, like, this is what we all grew up on. We all. I ain't grew up on. We may have heard it at like a pool party or something

100% at the lake At the lake or something And then we were like, hold on now I'm winning for this Groove just to hit me dude It's not that head Hit my heart Right here

Mald Mald That's Malled That's the first like heavy heavy riff I've ever heard Is it clicking And it's a country song Yeah Yeah I heard your band describe

Indiana as cornfield breakdowns. Yeah, yeah. And it's very normal that aside from you, DJ, what, it's very common for people in your area to grow up on country.

Yeah. Right. Oh yeah, very common. Absolutely. Yeah. Very common. It's just like, it's hand in hand.

Water found an ocean. Like if you're from Indiana, you have to know country. We have a decently sized city, but then like everything outside of that is basically the country. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah, man. Cornfields. And you guys are from the west side, right? Yeah. We're from the south side. Oh, no, yeah, he's from the west side. Okay, yeah. But, yeah, we're from the south side.

We live in a suburb, though. We don't live in the country. See that star? Everything else around that is just corn. Yep. Everything else, actually. Don't get a twisted, though. Just want to say, I am in the burbs now.

Okay. Don't get a twisted. He said we live in the birds, but, bro, we're from Cheahood. She's ain't sweet, that. All right. I'm just kidding. And Abe, shout out to your friend Hyatt. Yes.

Wow. Holy shit. He, uh, which you guys got into like the perfect style because you first got in, you first heard skinless. Yeah. Oh, dude. Yes. Okay. Okay.

I'll tell the story. Dude. Hyatt. Yeah. He shows me, um, the song. The one that starts with the sample of Vince. It's a life sucks and then you die. Which one was that?

Oh yeah. Optimist? Optimist. I think it's Optimus. Yeah. He showed me that. And I was like, wow, this is trash. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And then, guess what he showed me next? Yeah. Your band. Show me your band. Wow. It's like this even worse. He showed me unanswered, and then he showed me, you only live once. And I was like, yeah, this sucks.

And then, like, what was it? I would say, like, six months later. It just clicked. Yeah. Well, I was working at my mom's peach shop. And we went to go take a delivery and I hit shuffle on this playlist and it played head up by deaf tones. Okay. And I was like, this is fucking awesome.

Yeah. And then I went back and I was like, oh, this is the greatest thing I've ever heard. Yeah. Because I don't know. It's just like, deathcore is definitely an acquired taste. Yeah. And death metal too, it's just like you really just have to listen to it and really understand it. But like, I'll be the first to admit like the first time I heard it, I was like, God, this sucks.

but doesn't everyone though I mean you're not like wired to like this shit you know what I remember the first time I listened to death the band and I like loved all the melodies and shit but I could not fucking stand the blast beats yeah whoa

and now and now eventually it eventually kicked in yeah right right at one point in time of my life I only listened to stuff with singing in it so it was really hard for me to get into like the straight death court and then I found disengage

yeah after that I worked yeah wow I gotta tell a story. That's actually the first song we played as a band together was disengaged. Yes, it was. That's the first thing we ever did to do. I'm trying to tell you, Chris.

This band wouldn't exist if we were the way of the God tour. We're playing it cool, bro. Okay, what wasn't in your parents basement where you guys used the jam? No, it was in my grandma's garage. Okay. We moved in the basement after because the cops got. Oh, okay, got it got. That was.

Basement's coming. Tragic. But I watched the Suey podcast. Oh, yeah. A lot. But the show at the Emerson Theater That you guys said was like the worst show of all time Shout out to the Emerson

Yeah Honestly can I lay you something straight Yeah Real quick Okay so it's very common for Touring bands No matter what genre or who you are To go into this venue

To the Emerson And talk shit on it Yeah Yeah Honestly I've Every time I've been in that venue I've always felt embarrassed because people around me like

I'm saying like my band the band were on the bands were on tour where they're talking shit on his venue I'm like dude like we're playing a show yeah and they're letting us to me I'm like they're letting us use their room and like this is like their community

and we're just shitting on it I always I know yeah there's the downsides yes but I get what you're saying I've always felt so embarrassed like why are we talking shit when the venue staff is like right in front of us I'm like

Well, I think they also acknowledge how, like, filthy. But I was at that show. The last one that you guys played there. It hasn't been open since. Yeah. No, dude. Like, barely at all. There's like three shows since you guys have played there.

We've never played here. And we're from Indy, man. It's completely down. The worst venue in America right across the street from the worst McDonald's in the world. That was the slogan. Oh, my God. Dude, they were sloganing. That's what Mark said, I believe. As the worst thing.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I remember that. I mean, Donald's not exactly being top tier. No. I do remember a dairy queen. Yeah. That's a rough side of town. I spent like a whole summer there.

Yeah, I was like to say, you was in deep if you got to the dairy queen. Yeah. It was, it is one of those walks where I am looking behind me. Every once in a while. Yeah. You have to, man. Every once in a while. I don't, correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't feel like I'm in a bad area, but I know I should probably be aware. I wouldn't walk around that night by myself. No way. Vincent from the acacia strain. said that he was walking to a gas station or like a corner store or something and get a snack or an inner drink and he turned into a place that he thought was a convenience store and it was a room where the lights were dimmed and it was a bunch of people just dancing in there like this like hazing just dancing like this and when he opened the door he said they all turned around and looked at

him at the same time eyes wide straight out of a horror movie I was like oh in my town what the fuck have you seen that chris wow i mean do what you do i mean you like what you like no i haven't i probably should have yeah you gotta watch it's fucked up you should probably we should talk movies here in a minute no please this whole website you a movie guy

depends what depends depends what era i've learned through this thing where there's so many eras of movies i'm not familiar with and uh i'll be shocked if i say you know oh i like forrest gumpin the person next to me that has not watched it forest um is like kind of where i i sit at it's so

weird because that movie gets such mixed reviews. I think it's incredible. People fucking hate that movie. I don't hate the movie. I hate Jenny. Okay. Let's see it. It's literally it. Dude, he is so awesome. Like, that guy is fucking awesome. I love Jenny.

I think it's super wholesome that she... I think it's one of the greatest stories ever told. It really sounds bad. That she liked it. It's a movie. It's my second favorite movie of all the time. What's number one? First, he was going back and forth

with this and the original Ninja Turtles. Okay. So that is, oh shit. You got a fucking tattoo in your fucking hand? A rap? Okay, so you got

you're the guy with the temper. Yes, but I'm more controlled within the band because there's like a goal that I want to reach and I feel like that my temper or me just letting some little whatever, whatever get me to that point

is going to fuck it up for me. So I'm fine. Now. Because- To defend my boys, I didn't get it like that. Yeah, because rap is the high, high temper. Yeah, my dad, so the reason why I got this tattoo is because I asked my dad, this is like our show growing up. I watched every single OG Ninja Turtle. I was like that.

I opposed to any Ninja Turtle will wear me. And he said, Raff, not even a second wasted. He's like, damn. I want to get a tattoo to me. That's what happened. Dude, that is such a, like, nostalgic look. When I was three, this movie scared the shit. I did it?

Yeah, as a kid, it was definitely very scary. It came on the TV in our apartment, and I genuinely was like... Dude, I have, like, weird things from my childhood that I hold on to, and I can, like, vividly remember thinking that it was so cool that they were just eating pizza. Like, the first scene when they get the pizza and they're just, like, digging in, it's just like, I was like, that's so... No, Master Splinter used to scare these shit. Right there, bro. Yes, that scene. Love that scene, bro.

DJ, you know what to bring up, bro. Ah, so I don't want to say So am I gonna get in trouble for saying my word on here Or is it like, because there's a... No. All right, so there's this thing called nigger turtles, bro. It is the thing funniest shit ever. Okay.

On YouTube, it's like the funniest dub you'll ever find. It's about this dude name. It's really 85, pin and flush even. They sample it. We can't find it. You should watch it. It's just a comedy of Ninja Turtles. It's so funny, bro.

Like, just type in Israel 85 Ninja Turtles. It'll pop up. We're gonna do it right now Oh He said, we want to watch you He said Uh 85

Yeah, just type in ninja It's all good Oh yeah, you're putting Jane in a weird spot Ah yeah, yeah, yeah That's not No, the actual word, the actual word Ninja

Yeah, they're like This is just the first episode Like, what is it? Is this it? Yep Bro, tell me you didn't fuck this bitch He didn't tell homes

man that bitch is wine go on bro I know you fuck it because you got that I fucked the face I bet shut up bro they're like 25 episodes

in this shit are you serious yes it's a whole series what it's so funny so great want to get fucked up

yeah you got some weed and purple uh what's the hell I never seen it's my life bro I'm not buying this

You guys just open up my fucking heart, dude Wow This is a name Is this dubbed or is this the movie? Yes, it's dubbed Okay Over the actual movie Because I can't remember

The actual full movie I need to rewatch it Because this is fun He got the original videos Taken down for copyright But people just keep reposting him So who Who made this?

His name is It's Real 85 He does something Like gaming videos And like reactions and stuff now Okay But he still does Voicovers here and there

But he doesn't do these anymore But God This was a golden time. Like, if you, you was watching this when they were, like, dropping. Yeah. Amazing. Oh, my God.

Comedic, funniest. So great. Like, yeah. No, we're, was this? They're not CGI, are they? No. This is real. Yeah.

This is real. That's awesome. And I was, I have become. That right there. Watching them bite into that piece of where I just remember, like, as a kid. Today, I have become painfully aware that I am twice your age. That's okay. That's fine.

Listen, this is how we see it DJ is the oldest, you're the second oldest, you're 21 22. 22, you just turned 22, yeah. But this is how we see it. Okay, give it to me. When we watch your live set, you headbang harder than we do.

Yeah, I don't know it, motherfucker. How old are you? 40. Exactly, dude, I'm gonna be 41 in three months. You headbang harder than anyone I've ever fucking seen. Thank you, Abe. Ever. Appreciate that.

And you look so fucking awesome. Like, there's this video. from you guys playing my favorite is when you guys did the root splitty roots bro the super hard body bang I'll hit that like three times a set you do it every breakdown I'm like dude what is this guy taking yeah

yeah that was right here with fucking hate dude I'm just I'm just thinking about hate nobody has to start with that oh you got Max to come out and do it on the breakdown like you're going crazy I forgot this happened

Yeah. This was our first show with Eddie in the States and it was a fucking disaster. For really? Yeah. Behind the curtain, dude, it was fucking chaos and it sucked. Yeah. We're like, oh, we're like 10 minutes, like late. God, dude, you had been so fucking hard.

Or it's where I got it from. Yeah. But, um, what I was. Just hate, it's just hate. Yes. There's this video. There's this video from you guys in 2007. I'm, it's just what Mitch says.

So I'm just going off the way he says on the video. But he's like, he's like, he says. said it was the first show back in the States since you guys took your guys took yourself to Europe I believe yes and it was in Anaheim no I think it was somewhere in the inland empire this video dude keeps going keep going I could go back in time to any concert ever it would be this show yeah um which one just keep going you guys plays that video's funny because you're like almost bald and I had never seen that and you're like literally like 12.

I've grown my hair out twice. We just watched this and he was like, oh, Garza's 12. Oh, yeah. But, um... I was born for me. Yeah, that one right there. No, the one below that.

The one below that. Right there. Yes. Oh, this is a fun one. You gotta get that. Right when you guys open with bludgeon to death, you like literally almost throw your head off your shoulders. Isn't it swarm of the able to?

Uh, no, it's the sample. Tom Hanks. Oh, no. Doody. The first breakdown of this set is fucking heinous. God. Bro, look at your head. It's so sick that you guys did the samples at Hellfest, too.

Oh, he was really crazy. I got to bring it back. How was that? It was fun. It looked crazy. Look at you, dude. You still do that today. I don't know why.

I always tell people that I don't, I actually don't rock out. Is your head okay? I don't. I don't, literally like, the music doesn't. something else to me I literally okay I'm not gonna get into it because this is your guys time but I literally open up the door to to the demons yeah and I I I I'd everything I hate about myself the world it just that's why I am yeah on the stage I don't even think I don't rock out me I don't rock out it's just personal it's like something that is inside me somewhere I just let it

I let it go through through my flesh yeah and it just does it you can tell awesome you can tell therapeutic release. Yeah, it's the reason why I'm grateful. Everything I fucking hate about about myself and it's still there. The thing about I hate, dude, it's infinite. Yeah, yeah. And then then you get older.

It's so weird too. You hate something else and God. You hold on to hate so much more than you do love. It's so weird. That's how we're programmed, dude. It sucks. It is how we're program. Like if someone tells you,

if you have 100 people, I love Mald. Yeah. I love Malt, but you have one person says Mald is going to stick out. Trash. Yeah. You're like the one. fucking person that said I'm trashed.

Now I have to change his mind Like in my head It's how it is it sucks It sucks It's how you're fucking programmed dude It's how do you deal with it The best advice I ever got was It doesn't exist

Yeah Shout out to Taylor Young He was one of it I mean we're talking We already had a career This was like a few years ago Like he said like It doesn't exist

By far that best advice I've ever gone I ignore everything Because you don't know it's crazy people could talk shit on me on the band online thousands of comments but then you go live

the show is sold out yeah so what I don't like what is like reality yeah I don't know in the Midwest I don't know

I love Chris Garza bro yeah yeah Indiana's fucking sick yeah that's why I feel bears talking shit on that venue dude

hey no don't feel a bear on the venue I have had some fucking horror stories in that venue yeah the bathrooms

are Like a, I've seen like piss coming out of the bathroom into the fucking, like, standing GA. Mountains of shit in the toilet. Underwear, underwear stuffed into the toilet and everything. There's no limit. The only time Eli had ever been there was to see trapped. You're trapped or hell yeah. I love trapped, man.

Fuck, yeah. That's thick. I actually left before Headstrong because I was ready to go. Shout out the Emerson, man. Oh, man. Looking back, I shouldn't have done that. Do you like the band Flores? yes so they were supposed to come to the emerson yeah they were supposed to come to the emerson and i probably

still wasn't going to go but he said some pretty controversial shit on stage and they can they had to cancel the rest of the tour i think and i was like oh yeah oh yeah i probably wasn't going to go but like i love that record that first record and that music video god dude it's a great song staple in my job speaking of trapped i don't know if i should say this out loud but i've been thinking i've had being Chris on because he's been saying some crazy shit the past 10 years. Yeah. And I'm just like, I want to know me my curiosity is just like who is this guy? Yeah.

And I am I am going back. One days, some days I'm like, I didn't end talking with the guys. I'm like, I'm scared. Yeah. I'm like, what is he going to going to fucking say? That's just going to. Because people lately have been getting pissed off. Oh yeah.

We had no no cure on. they're blowing up so they're getting that kind of new wave of hate which is actually a good thing before them we had Lacey Sturm she talks about God a lot and people weren't liking that So this would be good

She's so good What is this? Jesus Oh yeah but Yeah yeah Oh yeah Nice Jesus What the fuck is that

You need Jesus bro She's so talented I thought the episode was fucking, like, healing. Yeah. For me, I was. Oh, totally. My, um, my girlfriend is obsessed with Fly Leaf. Oh, hell yeah.

So she, I'm pretty sure she watched that entire episode. And she's, like, not really big on Death Corps. But, like, it was like our worlds colliding, basically. Like, you talking to Lacey Stern is just so cool. It was, it was awesome. Yeah. Was it the, uh, was it the same, how long have you been with this girlfriend? Um, wild.

A while. A while. Five. Okay. So what, what, was it the same? girlfriend you went to to slip my show with and met chance?

I didn't know that. Okay, cool. Dude, he did his research. There's a couple interviews. That was a crazy. That was a crazy show. Yeah. At the time,

I didn't know it was straight-edge and it's funny now because I asked him if he had a vape I could hit. Oh, yeah? Yeah. That was the first thing he said because my girlfriend,

Nikki, she was... Me and his girlfriend went to school together. Yeah. Okay. She went to one school. I went to the other. And they went to Chance you went to a Greenwood High?

Yeah. Okay, cool. So, that's so funny. Sorry. No, you're good. He's low-keyed Nordwar. Yeah. So, um, he,

he was like, well, she told me that there was like this alternative guy that went to her school. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Chance, I'm not funny, I'm not, now you,

it's just like, I'm laughing. You fucking loser. I'm laughing at the whole, like, this might be the worst place on earth. This is right by my house. He's like there's this alternative guy that... Seriously, in Indiana, there aren't many people that, like,

listen to crazy music like we do, but... There's this alternative guy that listens to Death Metal, and he's going to this Slip-Not show. I'd really like for you to meet him, because I think you guys would be really good friends. Oh, that's cool. And now we're best friends in a band. So it's like, again, back to that chain reaction.

That's just how life works, bro. It was you two, and then it was me and Tyler, and we kind of all... Because I went to... I went to school with Tyler. We met in sixth grade, right? Six grade, yeah. Six grade. And then he was in a band called Pithic, originally.

Yeah, nice. And then that band ended, that band was... Because we were, like, 13. And then he was like, man, I really want to play music. And I was like, dude, let's just jam. Let's jam. And we played Disengage, met these guys. I bought, the original bass player of Mald, I bought a, like a 90s,

blue crackle warlock, sick-ass fucking guitar. Oh, yeah. But that's how I met them. the guy was like, you know, we're looking to start a new thing. So me and him, speaking of Hyatt, we were in a, like, a Blink 182 cover van. Nice. With Hyatt and Hyatt played the drums. Got to do it.

There it is, man. I don't think yours has, I think it's black one. It's that one. Yeah. Have you ever held one of those? Yeah. 90 pounds? It's like a fucking cinder block.

Yeah, I had a B.C. rich when I was in high school. I remember playing pretty sick. It sounded pretty sick. I played a virgin when we first started. We started off straight death metal, man. We did not write breakdowns. Yeah. Like it was just straight death metal.

So when you guys started, was the only seven string out like that stock ass Ibanez? Yeah, that was the only Ibanez available. Yeah. We would go on eBay and get the RG 7620 or the 7420s. Yeah. I've been telling people for a while now, I'm going to get those guitars back because those those, those like late 90s, early 2000s. I love the shape. are fucking bad ass.

And the shape is just like... It's just... What I love. It's that corn blew up and then all those 7620s came out and they're all sick as fuck. Isn't that what John from Nine Depp plays? I think so.

He has like two strings on the fucking guitar. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's all. That's why you need. Yeah, exactly. Chugs, chugs, chugs. It might be the first three. But yeah.

Because he's in standard, so he's got to do the thingy. But yeah. It's all you need. Yeah. And now, Eli, you, uh, so you, so you obviously love the instrument. Yeah. You obviously love the bandwalled.

So you were actually a very talented football player, right? Yeah. And you, and you, and you quit to pursue the band, right? Yep. What was that, what was that choice like? What was that, uh, at the time, it was like a lot because all my peers on the team, like, seeing me as this weirdo, edgy kid, you know what I mean? but like now obviously it's it paid off and now they can laugh and you know what i mean but

yeah wouldn't you all varsity it was a lot yeah nice yeah i was going to start that year and yeah i didn't know that and then we ruined his life yeah i would much rather be doing this yeah you got to do it though his mom his mom had a very i've always said if you're going to do this shit you need to like put everything into it totally if you're not willing to drop every everything you have, you should just stop now. Because it takes everything if you want to be the next suicide science. You know what I mean?

I will say... We all quit what we were doing. I did. Even Tyler, dude. We all stopped doing school. I mean, we did online. We still got our diplomas, you know, but we both stopped just to do this shit, man. I will say that's a big mistake

a lot of people do make. Still get your diploma, man. Dropping out of high school. Yeah. It's like, just finish up and then... Luckily, Mollinger. started like literally we had our first show like a week after we got like two days after we graduated yeah it was sick yeah i i believe uh in finishing high school i i finished high school just just i it was straight fucking d's yeah but i passed high school and i graduated and i i will say

looking back years later with my straight d's i'm proud that i could say oh i i finished it it It sucks. Yeah. But I'm glad that I finished it. So I don't, I'm not like wondering like what would have happened. Yeah. Dude, I'm only 86 in geometry. Yeah.

I'm a idiot. I'm still a idiot. I can already acknowledge that like I should have taken school more seriously. I was a C-Everage guy, man. I would like, like he said, I would so much rather be doing this. I did high school. I went to college. I didn't even stay for a full semester and I dropped out.

Yeah. I fucking hated school. He went to college just a party, Brett. I was living like the sweet life, Zach and Cose. dead ass I was just on there doing shit yeah we're always doing shit yeah

the king of doing shit and and DJ you're the oldest correct yes sir nice he's uncle oh really daddy that's why I'm broke out bro well yeah because you're the only one with the father wow yeah ugly bro that's our that's our baby though

that's our baby that's our baby boy yeah everything I do is literally for him There's some stuff where it's like self-fulfillment for me, but like I'm putting my all in this for him. So I could be like, yeah, dude, don't have to work. He's got a bunch of uncles now. You know, make him work for some shit. But I just want to make him like very, very comfortable. It's awesome because he can talk now.

And like he loves us. Full conversations now. He came over very recently and was like, yo, what's up, Eli? And I'm like, hold on. Don't talk to me, bro. You were negative years old, like three minutes ago. Bro missed OG Fortnite twice Twice

Yeah How do you do that? No No I'm not exactly a Fortnite guy You gotta get you on it What's your system's in there? What's your gaming like? What are you game?

I stopped at N64 Which is actually the only council I have here Okay I seen it yeah And Golden I That's pretty much where I stopped and I still go back to Oh yeah

Best even ball time N64 is a go Yeah DG yeah Why are they regarded How do you balance this and the kids? It's probably tough. He has a wonderful mother.

I was, and I have a really, really great support system. So from the start, even before I was in the band and had my son, I had support from all angles, mom's side, dad's side. And then not only that, his mother and I are really, really good friends. And even his mother's girlfriend and I are good friends and stuff. So it's like we can all talk to each other. That's rare, dude. Yeah. Yeah, and mind you, it does live in Texas.

But he goes to school out there. And whenever there's like, you know, holidays and stuff, I'll just go out there fly, grab them, bring them back. And then bring them back over for school. And then I just tell my boss, like, hey, going to have my son. I just want more morning shifts. And every time we're in the area, they're always so good to us, man. Yeah. And it's great.

I don't know, dude. I don't know how I haven't went crazy by now because I'm, there's a lot of stuff that I'll be juggling. Yeah. You just got to do it. You got to do it. That's one thing that I've learned. Just got to push through and just do it, especially like. Doesn't stop either.

I'm sorry. Thinking about my little boy, I'll be like, oh, I'm going to give up. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Nope, can't do it. Can't do it. It's convenient because he lives in another state. So he'll go see her for like one or two months. And then, like, we'll be on tour then.

So, like, we'll come back and then he gets to see his son. So it's like, it works out perfectly. But. Nice. I don't mean to tell your origin story, but like he was like giving up on being in a band. And then he came to one of our shows and we had. It was a crown magnetar show, correct? Yes.

Okay. We were, um, we were, um, we still had our original bassist, Ian then. Um, we hadn't completely transferred over to deathcore yet, but, um, because we started out his death metal, like Eli said. And he, um, he made it a point to come and talk to all of us because he just really liked the band. And Ian ended up quitting the band. And we were like, we need to be bassist. And we tried out two people. As soon as he was in the room, we knew.

My dad was one of them. Yeah. We did try out of his father. As soon as you got done, I literally said, dude. He had this fucking awesome. So we posted that. It's an audition video. Yeah, we posted that we were looking for a bass player.

Adition video? Is it a video? He sent me a video of him playing the guitar. Oh. I'm like, hey man, you're playing bass. Remember Chuck, we sat him down and we called him and we were like, yo, we're about to start taking this really serious. So like, it's either you're all in or like if you just want to play like local shows here and there, tell us now. And then when he said that, dude, I want it.

When he said that, I knew, I was like, I found the guys because like, like he said, I gave up. I gave up on trying to find a band. I was going to be a bedroom guitarist and probably like record. board YouTube videos and probably only have like 25 subscribers. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's just so crazy. You stop looking for it and then it finds you.

It's just so weird. It happens for a reason, bro. I firmly believe in it. It's wonderful, but... Everything falls into place how it's supposed to do. And I tell them this all the time. They hate when I say it because I say so many times. But I'm so grateful for these dudes, bro.

That's what I was... I meant to touch on that when you were like, oh, so you're the one with the temper. I was like, actually, he doesn't take shit for granted. Like, he is so grateful. He says that all the things. time but we're super grateful for him like we'll be arguing he's like dude I'm just glad I'm here when he when he got in the band

we totally switched he got the band we just we have to remind him a lot of the time that like this is his band too bro without you he's like bro you yeah that's cool you know he was a fan first but I mean everything switched it sounds like it sounds like it's the truth but like it's true

yeah wow yeah yeah dude long fucking way this this is the five though it'll be this five but I mean he's been in the since we've done anything worth of fuck so yeah he's in the he's like the original member in my yeah i mean our first release was him on it yeah the one that's out and he has cool hair so that's the most important part right yeah he looks sick as fuck yeah he looks fucking awesome fits the part that's another thing dude like everything about him yeah he's

the fucking go i mean you his stage presence is fucking crazy oh yeah doing like the spins and shit i'm like yo oh oh i got a question for you um uh oh are you still Do you still know the original bassist of Sui? There was a few. Which one? The one that would go up on the mic and go. On that video that we just watched. The one on the cleansing.

Unfortunately, whenever I see him, it's because, again, I'm older. So he's in our circle. So whenever a close friend passes away, I'll be at a vigil or I'll be at a memorial and I always see him. And unfortunately, it's been happening a lot. That's when you see him. Yeah, it's only time I see him. That's unfortunate. It's hard.

Yeah, it's weird. Like the high school unions I learned are like, oh, it's when someone dies. That's when people kind of come out. It's sad that that's what it has to be. But it's past couple years, man. I've definitely felt that. It's the only thing, death, it's the only thing that stops people's lives. I'm not going to do anything.

I'm going to this place. And then that's when we all see each other. Oh, I'm a senior fucking five years, 10 years, 15 years. And it's always a very. on something completely fucking tragic. I was just curious because I don't know I've just I've always wondered um and Dan's obviously fucking off yeah we got Dan he's uh Dan's a lifer for sure yeah he played bass and animosity and that didn't um I didn't know that yeah what

animosity is fucking no uh yeah where are they from are they from here uh the Bay area okay so uh so basically where you just came from The area is nice, nice, nice, nice. Yeah, we got bass player for animosity and singer for- He says it right there. I didn't know that. Also perish. That's fucking awesome. Well, apparently, for my research, you do a lot of deathcore research, so I thought you fucking knew about this.

Dude, that's all he does. But like, that's true. So with your research, I'm just curious for my selfish. If someone on the outside is doing, because I'm so in it, you know, I don't fucking know. Yeah. Something outside and you're doing research. What are you looking for and what are you finding? Um, shit that sounds dope.

Okay. I mean, like, I'll, like, do deep dives on Spotify for, like, old deathcore and shit. And, like, sometimes you even have to do it on YouTube. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, because these bands literally aren't even on Spotify anymore. But, um, this video's fucking iconic. So are you looking for, like, Death Corps bands from that time where, like, had been across. Over.

Yeah. Okay. I don't know. There's a, there's a lot of bands, like so many fucking bands. And then just like, once you know the band, you just go, like, find, I like watching videos with them play live. Like recon. Yeah.

Recon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking recon, dude. You like recon. That's a great ball. That breaks down at the end of Armageddon.

Probably the heaviest fucking breakdown. I love. I love Mike. It's ridiculous. Mike is goaded, dude. Yeah, he is. That's a drummer, correct? He's a guitar player.

Guitar player. Oh, the acacia strain. Yeah, the acacia strain. Yeah, he's in that band, man. The case astrain, man, that is a heavy fucking band. Yeah. Are you trying to find, like, like, backstories? Are you just looking purely for music?

Yeah, just looking for music. Because, you know, like, at this point in my life, like, I don't want to do too much research because I just think it's weird for me to walk up and know someone's name and everything about them. Like, it's kind of inevitable with you. Kind of like what I just did the past 40, 45 minutes. Yeah, you're literally like the biggest, you're the biggest band in the genre.

So like, I know, like, you're my, like, you're our idol. So like, thank you. I appreciate that. It's just, they can disagree. It's hard to, it's hard to not know you. Thank you. Because like, you're literally the blueprint, but like, oh my God, he's right there. That's so funny.

I get it. It took me a long time to be cool in front of my favorite bands. You're talking years of failure. Yeah. Like seeing him is like, I fucking cover my dick. Yeah. I don't know I go fucking blank

I don't know what to say that Then they walk away I'm like You're so stupid Yeah dude And you'll think about it Did you feel that way When you were talking to

The singer of Machine Head When he was telling you When you were wanting him to play Like one of those OG songs And he was like Oh yeah Yeah

You walked over you're like Fuck Oh yeah Yeah And then I didn't I didn't I didn't drink until I was 21 And that's where we do with them

I think I was 20 223 so the only reason my I cheated the only reason why I talked to him because I was drunk dude that'll fucking do it though man yeah I wish her yeah yeah he's like wow I thought that dude was a fucking asshole but no he actually just like the old shit yeah it's nice now now I see people around him out now it's cool now I'm just like okay I gotta be a professional it's weird yeah yeah but um like I was saying like I don't know because like at this point my life I I mean, this is our first, like, pro tour with AllShoub Parrish.

Nice. It's our first, like, tour that I didn't book. Like, we did, like, four or five DIY tours that I booked, and then we did this first pro thing with AllShop Paris. And it's just, like, not saying that it, like, is guaranteed to happen, but, like, I consider the fact that, like, I will meet these people one day. And I just want it to be authentic. Like, I just don't want to know everything about you before. Yeah, especially with that run with Whitechapel, like, I know. I know more about you guys than I do Whitechapel, so I, like, purposefully didn't look at any of their faces.

Yeah. So I wouldn't be like, yeah. You know what I mean? It would just be like, hey, what's up? What's your name? Like, you know what I mean? Aside from Phil, bro. It's just like...

But Phil, yeah, dude. He's literally just like one of the greatest vocals of all the time. Seeing it live a couple nights in a row, I was like, man, this dude, this is fucked up. Phil is one of my favorites. Yeah. He's awesome. He's awesome. In my spare of time, I'm jamming White Chapel.

Yeah. That new record, man. It's fucking awesome. It took me a whole career, unfortunately, because back then it's all, like, all, like, competition. So I'm like, so I'm like, fuck, Whitechapel. And then you'd all they're like, oh, they're awesome. And then now I listen to all the past records now.

I'm like, I'm like, 15 years too late. Did, um, I said I wasn't going to say this, but fuck it. I do it all the time. I'm not going to ask a question and then a conversation happens. I'm like, I got to ask. It happens all the time. So the one member we really got to talk to because we did a three day. a three-day run. They were all just chilling in their bus, which is

all power of them. So we got to say what's up to all of them. Yeah, yeah, we did all, we got to say what's up to all of them. But, um, we got to talk to Alex for like an hour and a half. Oh, cool. Very cool. And we were like, it's a question we ask people when we meet them. We're like, who do you do? Like, who, like, like when you started as a band, who do you do? He was like,

oh man, we just heard that suicide silence EP and we became a band. Wow. I swear to God, this he said that, dude. Yeah, so like. Why Chappell Apple now has been very honest about it, but back then, while the competition, everybody was like... Of course, man. Some bands are still like that. They haven't said their own name yet.

It's different though now. Like, it's such a different time from like us and Reverend, fucking best friends. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, we got some shit cooking with Reverend. That's great. That's great. You'll see you next year.

So like, while the competition was there, it's like, I don't know. I feel like, I feel like it was a little bit more cutthroat back then. Like you really had to fend for yourself and you can, you can let anybody know that like, you liked each other because it was just different. Maybe you're right. It was a different time.

Yeah. A lot more ignorant. That's why this music happened. It made it special, honestly. It needed to be in with. I mean, it took bands like you guys, Reverend. I mean,

bigger bands that come out, like the Lorna's and the Slaughterers that made me truly appreciate like the time. Like that little era, so now I like respect all the bands. Yeah. It's so funny that it all came back around.

You know what I mean? Like what they started? It went away for a second, and now it's all coming back around. I'm so tripped out and I'm 40 fucking years old than you got through that way. Dude, it's okay. I love it, dude. I love it, dude. I'm so fucking.

How much more do you think you have to? I was just talking about this last month. I got a headbanging. I'm going to give it 12 years of head banging hard. I'm going to hit 52 and probably something's going to happen to me. I think your longevity is based off how you head bang because it's like it's less the neck and more in the back. So like it might be a little hard on your back, but like.

I do have techniques now. You body bang. Yeah. Now it's like I focus on my, uh, sounds silly, but I focus on my, uh, ankles. I might, no, no, the, uh, what? The heel. The heel, yeah. Yeah, he like locking in and using the legs.

Yeah. And you kind of bounce and the hair would kind of do the job. I can see the bounce. Yeah. Yeah. It was annoying for a good year, but then once I got the technique down, I re-learned how to head bang. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. The fucking stage crowding for this shit. Oh my goodness. Are you got? Real quick, just to cap off the research, because I kind of wanted to bring a new band to you guys. Yeah. You ever, any of you ever heard of a band called Wrench?

Like, like Wrench? No. Never. Okay. Hey, it's a deep cut. Okay, so if you're talking to research and going on YouTube, check out Wrench, Queen Annie's Revenge and play the record front to back and don't stop. Okay.

This is the band that me and Mitch would, listen to you and we're like this is it because they were they were basically like a low local band around here that answers your question do that's so so that's who you do we found them and then

just by chance we went to the mall around our area and there was a a piercing shop called phobia piercing body mods phobia body mods and a singer was working there

I kid you not I fucking walked in me and my friends dude we got on our fucking ease is hard to start doing this like we were like 15 years old we're young so we're like we see you see you listen to a record and you see him in real life you're like oh that's the guy right there and that he like uh jake the singer became like a friend but if you don't know wrench listen to this record is it on spotify is it i don't know so is this i don't know i can they death court what were they they're called deathcore now okay But is that what you were listening to to to write the first EP?

Oh, yeah. I mean, there were the one band. They're like, okay, we can all agree on this. You know, people are like new metal and death metal skinless and stuff like that. But the one band were like, they're actually doing it. And we could like go to a show and see it. Yeah. Like, like, close up.

Like Ranch was the one. And they have an EP before that. That's five songs. That's equally as sick. Yeah. So just press play and let it go for both those releases. So now, now to add to your research, I was really hoping to turn you guys on to it.

I can't believe none of us have heard this. What the fuck. Because it's like it shouldn't be an argument. But like there's so many people that argue over who started Death Corps. Oh yeah. And this is a name I've never fucking heard. Because it's a niche. It's a local guy to you.

Yeah. I've never heard that. Have you ever seen Skinless? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm sure you've played the book. We have. Yeah, yeah.

You mentioned like the song, because that's one of my question. What record did you hear first? You heard my favorite death on a record. all time yeah so so for that that that that record like that that record too or sometimes like okay i i i ended up talking about myself but uh dude people want to hear that too sometimes like we're just not called the garza pot i i forget but but sometimes like a part in a in a one band's whole anthography will make you sort of band there's there's a band called wormed every bit of band called wormed check out worm okay a record called

Planisperium, Geomastic Dome is the song. There's one part that's just like, let's just make this part a million times. The whole EP or the whole record. Actually, can we play it, Jay? It's fine YouTube. Geomatmastodom. Is this death core or?

No, this is straight death metal. This is like, I think they're from Spain. Like Spanish death cord. You're so fucking sick, dude. Oh shit. Oh, yeah. This is that shit, though, bro. Hey go what a jay go like mid midway you guys does cricket vocals

A little bit more okay, yeah crank the shit this this is the fucking shit Yeah, yeah, oh my god Dude. God. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. What year was this?

Jesus. Ooh. That is a fuck. There was one part in a whole band's record discography will make you be like... 2003. 2003. That was nice. You got the ball knowledge, Garza.

Of course you do. So you guys jam that one song. I would jam that song again and again. Good God. See? It still hits, right? Yeah. Of course it does.

That hit. That hit. When you brought on the brutality podcast, you were trying to like understand like why they mainly listen to like MySpace era death core and like the early stages. I'm trying to understand too because I'm so like jaded and in it.

It's the same thing. It's like same thing to you with that music as it is to us and just like this kind of death core. It's just still hits. It's still the best in my opinion. Me too. Why is Gates to hell?

there. What? I'd say they're like right on the line. Low key, but they would call their sales to death metal. That fucking headline said Myspace Death Corps. Oh. That's a little. I low key kind of feel like I ruined this podcast. I'm sorry.

I got really excited. Dude, no. This is what we do. We just sit around a living room and talk bullshit, man. That's what we do. So this fucking works. Perfect. Oh, fuck. That's us. And then you guys.

Where? Where? That little tiny picture on the left underneath of the, all the bands. Over here on the right, yeah. Everybody calls us the suicide sign. Hey. Whoa. Wow.

That's crazy. Like, look. Oh, I'm penny and doom. Yeah. Good. And then the recon hoodie, it's like, it's just like what we do, dude. It's just the old shit. Good friends.

I have a couple of curiosity questions. Go ahead. So given... I got a few too. Okay, of course. Given... I mean, some of you are just out of high school, what are people listening to these days?

Like, what are people jamming? Whatever the fuck's on TikTok. Unfortunately, yeah. Really? Whatever's on TikTok. What are people jamming or what are dope people jamming? Both. You know what I mean?

Okay, so where we're from, I would say... Like, honestly, quite a bit of suicide boys. Suicide boys, okay Yeah, you ever heard of them? You should have a one dude That would be a sick episode Oh my God They don't do many interviews

So you'd probably get a million I think they would do it I think they would do it That'd be awesome Especially Ruby Honestly bro We rip them more than you would think When it comes to samples

And like sometimes I'll hear a beat And it'll be like Dumb Dumb And I'll make it a tritone breakdown Because of these guys Yeah We're truly like

Fuck yeah I don't know I don't want to sit here and call I just don't want to suck my own dick It just sounds so stupid But we truly are like songwriters Like we're truly songwriters Oh yeah that's also one thing that I appreciate

About your band of Mald is you still All five of you to write get in a seam room together correct? Absolutely And fucking jamming out That's kind of rare I feel like that's the most authentic It's cool It's fucking rad

It's rare because every band doesn't have every member 20 minutes away from each other We just got lucky to do it But dude when we're all together It's just like Malt. That is when it's truthfully mulled, do it? Yeah.

Like, yeah. At its, it's very unspoken, but there really is a magic feeling when something just clicks. Yeah, it's clear. We have this song that we're going to put out probably later, probably next year. We haven't recorded it yet, but there's a song called Through These Eyes. It's, it's, it's... Dude, the newest one we just wrote. Yeah, it's...

It came together in like an hour and a half. And it's just like, that's always the best one. Like you said with unanswered, like it just... I think that this is the first record, because for some reason we've ripped off Carnifex our whole career. Yeah. But like, you're why we started. So this, our full length, we're actually ripping you.

Oh, yeah, do it better. So, like, it's, I think it's the best version of us. We know so many years I have left, so it's sick. It's not, it's not like we're ripping your actual... It's not like take your riff and then just put it in our song. It's just a lot of... Like, when I'm writing the record, I'm listening to the first EP, cleansing, more than I'm

there's a lot of like cleansing style dromey yeah for sure a lot more blasts it's actually hard to do yeah I just can't yeah I can't yeah we put him through hell we get done we get done like rehearsing the new album in my forearms are on fucking fire yeah what I was saying about the songwriting though like we like sometimes like sometimes you'll casually listen to music but like as a songwriter majority of the time you'll hear a song you're like okay

what can I do to make that like my own thing but like with suicide boys like we straight up just taking like structures like not taking anything they're doing because like how do you replicate that on the guitar but like yeah like the structure of the song like just just making a part

and just putting it in the place of the structure that they use basically yeah and it works that asleep's a great example yeah like yeah yeah this this yeah suicide boys is like my bread and butter So that's what people are

A lot of people jamming that in high school There's a lot of Swifties I would say Yeah Honestly dude heavy music is making a comeback It is It genuinely it is Like people are fucking jamming

Heavy music There's people that I wouldn't even guess Listen to heavy music Oh yeah that stuff I'll listen to do do do Yeah it is crazy What? Whoa

Did you have another curiosity question? Yes And then same Same era are people fucking with AI I absolutely not I actually serious no I actually don't ask a lot of AI questions

because it's so touched on for other podcasts I'm like fuck you guys you guys aren't original I'm gonna do my shit but since you guys are the perfect band to talk about it because you're I mean your 20 years younger to me

so what are people fucking with are they fucking with AI are they using it are they hiding it I like all the all the unks fuck with that are bands so like straight up I think everyone in this band It's disgusted by it honestly.

Wow. Because it's, it's taking away. There's so much creativity in life and like in your character. Like why would you do that? I ain't going on. I'll be using it for video games

for like builds and shit. I'd be like yeah, what's a different? You're not using it to create. Listen, there's, I'll be the first to admit like I fucking hate AI but there are good ways to use it.

But people are taking it and turning it into like a terrible thing. Yeah, with the internet and everything like humans were never supposed. supposed to be this fucking connected. Like, oh yeah, yeah.

Like, when my parents were young, like, the most they had was like a flip phone. Or like even just a landline. Like, even if you were, like, if you had the money to have a phone.

But like, you'd have a landline or you would talk in person. Like, those were the only two ways to connect with one another. Yeah. Now you have the internet

where it's just like completely all, just like everyone is connected. Like, humans just weren't supposed to be connected as bad. Yeah. And with AI,

it's completely switching the perception of reality. Like it completely makes you question what is real and what's not. Because you can't go on Instagram anymore. You can't go on Instagram anymore and see if you in question or really even like judge if something is real or not. Like you seriously have to fucking like you have to question whether or not something is real. But I don't know. I think we're all just disgusted by it because like it. We're artists.

It literally gives you worldwide trust issues. Like, how are you supposed to know what is real and what's not? Yeah. It's just like, it's so, it's so more, so much more damaging that people really, really think. Look at this, see, watch this. Yeah. I don't know you'll see. That's in San Diego.

It's just the end of mold? This is the ending of our set, yeah. This is a breakdown. It's going to be on the full length. Oh, it's not even, oh, okay. Got that new, new. Does this have the water bottle? Yeah, yeah.

Here comes. Here it comes. Watch out, Garza. You're gonna get hit. Woo. Duck, girl. Oh! That was a snite.

I got like a fucking million views on Instagram. He just looks down on it. I think you got a million views on the original post. Really? Yeah. Something like that. Wait, so did you throw that? And it hit the present on the recording?

Yes. Yeah. Just luckily, dude. They got them all, dude. See, that's how the internet is good. It's like, it can just, like, for bands it's good because there's just so. much more like promo and ways that you can get your music in front of people

but if you're a band you should be attacking the internet it's just yeah if you want a tour and be big but so as far as music people aren't fucking with it at all absolutely not like if you will get blasted on the internet if you put an album out in the in the covers

yeah oh my god I mean I won't listen to the record yeah no way because there's so many people can tell our generation can tell there's so many talented artists that like you have no fucking reason to do. AI metal pants. What about, uh?

It's real, bro. Like, it's seriously real. Dude, my next promo is gonna be AI. I'm gonna get fucking buff. Yeah. It's like, that's not AI. It's real, dude. Cars are got ripped.

Dude, that shit's real. That's, that's fucking real. What about, because it's a big problem I see, at least on my feed where it's like, it'll be AI post. It could be anything. Like cats blowing up a tank, right? I don't know.

Like, whatever. And that people are sharing it. And there's a, kind of views and comments so are people doing that you see like are people sharing it like like there's many ways of using AI thinking there's many ways of using AI and I think DJ is sharing I think sometimes yes I think sometimes um humor can be okay take the death yeah like it's funny to see a cat like choking out a UFC fighter it's funny to see a cat I just saw that this week or get or get it's like is that Connor McGregor being tripped by a

fucking cat. But I don't want to share it because then I'm like, I think, oh, nah, that's, that's valid. I'm like,

the bad way I, making, like, music or making album art, sucks. Yeah, the bad definitely outweighs the good. That's another thing.

Let's some shit up on Instagram, bro. That is fucking hilarious. That's another thing. It completely eliminates the jobs of people. Like, artists, yeah,

like, like, maybe five, five or less years, like, if you, if you go to the grocery store, like,

you already see the self-checkout thing. Like, it's all... There's two kinds of people. Yeah. Also one of my questions. Yeah. Do you use self-checkout or do you not? So, if it's like 10 or less items, yeah.

But if I have like a full card, I'll go through the lane. But it takes the jobs away from people. Like, everything is being automated. And like, it's... I don't know. We saw a fucking six-foot-tall robot patrolling a parking lot the other night. What? It was making these crazy-ass alien space noises.

It was fucking insane. just kind of walking up to being my brother's a fucking alien over here. I think it takes pictures of you if you try to vandalize or like vandalize it. Yeah. It's crazy. But another thing is the album art. Like there are so many artists. Talented fucking artists.

Talented fucking artists. Whether you're drawing like hand drawn, painting or doing something digitally, it completely eliminates their job. Did Sabaton use AI for their art? Oh, they might have. That is definitely looks like AI. Sabaton fucked up. but they actually...

Whoa. Deaside did the same thing. Deasides look bad. Deasides is bad. Sabatone is a massive... Yeah, check that out. Do you decide this? Oh, no.

Come on. Glenn, you fucking know better, dude. Glenn, it's a goat. You fucking know better, dude. Oh, you know what? I think it's more of a thing where people that don't understand it are just trying to get with the times.

It is and people just don't... It is a problem I notice with people my age, they think they have to use it because they want to... Then... fit in because they think younger people are using it. So it's like a weird... They really don't, though.

It's crazy. So older bands are throwing AI in their covers slowly because they think, oh, this is what the kids are doing. But they don't know what the kids are doing because they're fucking jaded-ass rock stars and don't hang out with people. And that's a fucking issue. Yeah, that one's bad too.

The same one as the D-Asside one, basically. And just, yeah, the next suey cover is AI. So I'm just trying to prep everybody. And I was just, fuck, no. Fuck, no. Fuck that dude I'd rather fucking pay it The next

Huh What y'all got going That's coming out in November It's done Awesome Is it for real Yeah it was Hunter Young

And Austin I was that How was that How was that How was that How was that It was so fun He's good

Can we hear some of it later Yeah of course Cool Yeah Oh yeah Yeah It's like Oh shit sucks

Dude Yeah Never dude But But um Okay One of my curiosity Questions for you

I just pulled it up I'll have you do it Pull up Divine by corn It was an accident It was an accident It was on purpose Don't you line to me

It was with one of our first drummers ever He played the beat first And I just matched it Yeah And he said you guys did it Okay I'm not gonna say that It's blasphemous Restart it

It was an accident The drumbeat came first And then I wrote the riff after it it fucking yeah right I'm kidding I'm kidding I'm also very

subconscious corn yeah everything that comes out it's just gonna hearing it translated into death core though yeah

it's one of the coolest tracks on the cleansing I know it's really like fried but the engine number nine cover will always be one of my favorites oh hell yeah yeah but um what is a part

where you guys have like just like straight up took influence from I mean corn's massive yeah as far as I grip sometimes

trying to think like parts I ripped off I guess like parts like that warm song is a good example yeah I just do a simple drumbeat guttural yeah crazy that's like a pretty good example where but you don't know what's where song it is because I like to hide like the inspiration yeah of course of course how do you how do you put your own into into the song where like you could tell someone where you got it from they're like what the fuck yeah yeah because because you put your own well that's how uh that's how that's what Mark said when he told um I think it was I forget which guitarist it was of Lamb of God that he told this but he was like yeah I straight up

ripped this and it's our biggest song oh yeah he was like he ripped up a Lammy God song for a Yolo yeah I mean I can hear it whenever he points it but I would have never yeah you know what I mean I really can't hear it I'm like I don't like yeah that's what's the thing I literally said this on stage last night That progression is straight up a Lama God riff. Yeah. Well, how do you not rip off Lama God? They were doing literally fucking everything.

That's the first time I saw you. Was Lama God Kill Switch. You still have the picture? I have it. I have it. I have the picture. I tracked you down and I was like, you know, can I get a picture? Find the picture, bro.

I got it. I got it somewhere. Find it, bro. Find it. He's got it. I think I was 14. Damn. I don't even think I was in Mald yet, bro.

You were at Maude yet? I don't think so, no. Wow. No, that was the first time Mald had ever been, like, grouped together. So, I... Oh, you serious? Before our first full band practice.

When I found you guys, it was off of the record that you were putting out then. So I was, like, jamming... What's the track? Remember, you must die. Oh, yeah, da-da-d-d-d-d-t. That's what I was jamming,

and then I went back, and I heard the cleansing when I got home, and I was like, oh, fuck. And then Mald started. Now he's got a poster in his room. That's crazy. I do have a cleansing poster. Well, it was...

When Chance is looking for the photo, I got one more question. I already half flew by, and I'm so sorry. I feel like I haven't covered what I wanted to cover. I'm so, so, so yeah, no, you're good. We started talking about everything. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, man. It feels most genuine.

I'm sorry. Having the best time of our lives right now. Okay, cool. We're having a blast, man. I had a great time, too. I just didn't go into the EPs as much as I should have. So I, I, uh, totally good. No, no, it's all good.

So since there's five of you, we, uh, we end every podcast is same. And, uh, and so. I think we should do, I want to put you all on the spot. What is one record that inspired you? Chance. No, what? Yeah, you guys go first. One.

Just one. Don't say the cleansing. And he can't say that. We could literally all say that, I promise you. Yeah, we could, but don't. Iowa, slip knot. Joy is your main man guy here. Hell yeah.

Is that it? Iowa slip knot, boom. um on the spot let's go probably master of puppets probably nice Metallica that's fucking Kirk Hammett's the reason I play guitar fuck yeah that's dope

oh my goodness look bro I'm 14 in that what are you wearing Scorpion's t-shirt okay wow that's dope yeah dude we got it we got an airdrop J so we can put it on the screen

yeah dude yeah um or does text Ape and text me and I'll fucking... I got air drop it. It's cool to think about, bro. Jerry's MacBook Pro. Boom, yeah.

Who's next? Abe, you're next. Yeah. Lyrically... Hmm. Majority of my songs are mostly about, like, hypothetically killing people.

Like how most Death Corps and Death metal bands are, but... Yeah. Like, when I get serious, wow. What is that, dude? Wow. wearing my skinny ass ripped jeans too

He just came to the crowd and was like holy fuck dude He was on stage Fuck yeah that's cool man Yeah yeah dude I'm glad I wasn't a dick to you I'm always waiting for For that story Yeah I'm a fucking dude

You're very sweet It's so crazy people hold onto that forever It's just like I was in a rush I had to go do something Yeah But um Lyrically Um Dysfunction or break the cycle

If you had to pick one Fuck Break the cycle Dude that's his Come on Dysfunction Dyspunction Oh

Okay nice Dysfunction It's like There's just so many songs Like The way that he's conflicted with his family

On the song Me Yeah And the song just go And Beautiful I mean none of us Are tired of touring At all

But like home I could see How that could relate To like a touring Artist Of course Yeah Um, it's just that fucking record, dude, I was obsessed with that in middle school and high school.

You guys probably're not going to be able to guess it. Maybe you would, but, uh, like I said, I was really a metal court kid growing up. So mine is definitely either empire or deceivers by the word alive. Oh, nice. And that, you got to pick one boy. I'm going with empire. I would have guessed doom job for a cowboy. Uh, yeah.

Yeah, but this is when I knew I wanted to play instruments. I wanted to be in a band. I wanted to. Boom. That's when I knew. Like, the word of all I started it. Hell, that's awesome, man. Yeah.

So. Fuck, yeah. That's going to be the one for me. That's sick. Chance? Life is spechy all the way. Oh, did you even think. Nice.

One of the heaviest fucking records. Oh, it is still. Life is peaches. You can hear it in the way Chance writes, too. Yeah. You really can. Bo. Chee that song Chi what the fuck dude I'm trying to learn that rip my whole life

Yeah boom cat do um I think so oh that's a good god yes good god And Adidas like hop in song but like holy shit That's a fucking hot heat right there dude yeah that shit gets you wet If a song can get you wet bro kill you the the closing track is also like so like I don't Corn got me through like some of the darkest times in my life so like I just like I just like put my like into these records yeah yeah like honestly helps yeah corn is another very big inspiration for the band I would say um course what could you go to um what's that fucking album follow the leader I can't remember the name of the song but it's just so underrated

pretty is the most underrated song pretty yes pretty is most oh my god did it did it my gift to you bro yeah my gift to you live at Woodstock or they they open it with the Slayer I'm wet now well when your eyes are shut came out March jam the EP and look out for some new shit right you

yeah yeah anything that you want out there real quick about Mald what do you want people to go we're touring we're touring next year with Spite and Amir in Europe so all our all the EU listeners we will be in Europe

with spite and a mirror and distant. Later this year, we'll be on tour with Gates to Hell and Guilt Trip. And then after the Euro tour, there's a crazy like revival Death Corps tour that we're on that. I think we'll make the internet fucking explode. Yeah, dude. No names yet, but I'm sure you could guess.

Yeah. It's going to be a good one. Really fucked. Yeah. That whole tour is going to be fucked. And that's probably what, like late or mid-27? Um, no, it'll be like... Early.

Early spring? Oh, nice. It's like five days after we get back from Europe. Yeah, we get a whole six days back from Europe. Nice. Yeah. Angelia, if you ever see this, I'm sorry. We're all getting fired.

Yeah, we're all getting fired. Oh, yeah, we still all have jobs, by the way. Yeah. Are you still making it work? Yeah. Nice. You listen to you at you, Malt pushing carts, right? Yes.

That's awesome, man. No, listening to the suicide silence, EP. That's awesome. That's awesome. Well, Mald, it was, for me, it was truly an honor to hang out with you guys. Likewise. Bad ass. You guys are a heavy-ass band. Thank you, man.

Appreciate it. And everyone check out the new EP. Thanks. Let's go. Later. See you guys. I love you. Oh, yeah, dude.

That was awesome. That's a good hand.