Garza Podcast - 30: Lil Brows

Episode Date: May 4, 2022

Lil Brows is a songwriter and rapper. We talk about his visit to the King and the Sting podcast to meet Theo Von and Brendan Schaub for the first time, moving to California to get sober and much more. SPONSORS: distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF! emgpickups.com Promo Code: Heavy 15% OFF!

Our guest today is Little Browse. He is a songwriter and a rapper. His new record, the Thick Boy album is out now with a lot of crazy features. I'm on a track. We got Bert Kreischer, Krista Lille, Jelly Roll, Chappelle Lacey. Me and Chappelle Lacey are actually on the same track, which is cool. And with many others. If you want to keep this going and support the podcast, you can by supporting our sponsors.

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order. I hope you enjoy this chat. Please welcome Little Browse. I'm born raised in Corona. So that's where the monster like warehouse is, like the HQ. Right. So she works like down the street from where I was, you know, I still live at. Oh damn. That's what's up. Cool. Well, today we got Little Browse, dude. Yes, sir. The record came out Thursday. Yep. Congrats. Thank you so much, bro. Thanks for being on it. Yeah, man. We, we did a track together. Yeah, we did. you crushed, you shredded. This man brought so much equipment to this little house, and we were running wires all the way through the bathroom, to the kitchen, and it was so sick.

I gotta say that was the first time I even seen or heard putting a guitar amp in a bathroom. Right. We did what we had to do. It's like, what we're gonna put it? Hey, fuck it. There are acoustics in here? Yep, the acoustics are good. Let's do it.

It was great. I mean, I got to tell you, man, I'm very honored that you invited me to play on a track. Shout out to Base God for tracking it and to be on a track with Chappelle Lacey, which I never even thought about. Yeah, man. And then it came up and this naturally. Yeah, man. And that dude, Base God

Reed, he's my producer, and he's also a huge fan of yours, like, huge, huge fan. O.G. fan. He was like, you know, had you guys on the MySpace Top 5. He was like OG fan, so I think it meant a lot to him. Because when I said, you might be coming through, he started

fanning out. And he works with a lot of artist so he's never really like do you know he's an engineer so he's just sitting there doing his thing yeah and producer very talented but when I said your name he's like oh shit for real really it was sick honor that meant a lot to him too man dude it's funny I posted uh I saw Brennan Schaubb and Chappelle Lacey at the Briehra improv and then I met Chappelle and I posted those pictures of that of that show and then this guy read yeah hits me up on a DM saying oh do I work I work for him I do I do I do I do some tracks and I thought he was kidding

I thought he was kidding that's so funny I think you're the first person to make him fan out I thought he was kidding I'm like he doesn't fucking do that right and then truly after that I got hit up by you yeah same my saying my producer read I'm like oh

it's that dude that I ignored his DM you're like he wasn't fucking lying he wasn't fucking lying dude and you know what she on me for assuming that it happens it happens it's Instagram I I don't fucking know what's going on there.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Do shout out to Reid, man. And he was, read is the real deal. Shout out again to Base God. And you guys were working on the track. Yeah. And something I admire about you, Browse, is that it's a bold move. I don't know where you got it from.

But you're like, let's talk. You want to FaceTime? That's a pretty upfront ask. Right. Right, right, right. But for some reason, it just works with some. some people with me it's like oh it's perfect cool face time i never i remember talking before i never fucking met you before at face time what's up dude was pretty bold you could have just been like uh no

i just see my number get blocked i'm like oh very cool sweet okay where it's something about the music to where you know when when i start a project and i've started doing these compilation albums which have been fun like the king and the sting one the thick boy one it's just this random thing where it's like big compilation of a ton of different artists and comedians and stuff. So I feel like if people, you know, when people say they're down, they want to be a part of it, it feels like once we start working on the music, we're like all on the same team, and we all want to see the same end goal of making a good record. So it's been really cool, man.

And I really appreciate you shredding on that. And I answered my FaceTime call. So thanks, man. No, thank you, man. I was honored to be a part of it. And you recorded three records in two years. Yeah. Three full length albums.

Yeah. We do like one record in like four years. So, I mean, how do you have the capacity, the creative, emotional, mental capacity, do three records in such a short amount of time? Yeah. And I mean, you guys make fucking great records, man. I still see myself as just like shitty little comedy rapper. So like if anyone likes my stuff, then it's cool. So I'm not saying they're like top quality things coming out.

But I think the enthusiasm of like being excited. gives me the emotional capacity to be able to just like run with it and just keep making stuff. And I also love music. I'm just a music nerd. So I'm always making tracks, whether it's, you know, that gets put out or just for other stuff or just my own stuff. So I'm always just like, like, addicted to make a music. I'm like addicted to working on tracks. You are addicted to music. Yes, 100%. You're also, the part also falls in line with you're obsessed. Obsessed. Super obsessed. Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's like, it's like a,

problem. It's all I think about since I was little. All I could think about is words rhyming. And, you know, the first time I ever started making music, it came out as rap. But I also love so many different genres that I just love to make the record good. Like, I want the song to sound great. So however, I have to do it to get to the end result is like how it will come together. And that's what was cool about this project is there's a lot of different genres on it from like hip hop to like old school, to metal to like punk pop. You know, me and Eric, Griffin have a track on there that sounds like a Nate dog record. Yeah.

They call him the Nate Dog a podcast. So I tried to like spin that in there. You did? So yeah, it's just like I just love music, man. I'm obsessed with music. So it's really not, I mean, the back end stuff I'm learning a lot. Like I'm sure I'd love to pick your brain on this. Just what all goes into like creating a song and putting together an album and then promo,

like all the shit. So that part I'm learning and it's been hard. But it's been difficult, I guess. but as far as creating, I love it. I just love it. I can't tell. Yeah. You can't put out that much music.

To me, it's very, it is top quality and sounds great. Oh, thank you, man. So to me, because I was, I mean, I'm jamming all three of your records all week. Oh, dude. Just in a gym, can you fucking pump, dude. That song Flames. With Chen, yeah. Yeah.

My favorite tracks of yours are the songs with Chin. It's probably the best ones Hannah Barron And Flames Those ones get me going Dude right It's so good Chin can actually sing

So he makes them good They're like actually good Wow Yeah shout out to Chin Man he's fun to work with In the studio and his range is insane Do you browse Walk me into this process

Because I want people watching And listening to really Know your story You So you're from Ohio Yeah And then you move from Ohio To L.A

it gets sober, correct? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, from the Midwest. Just a Midwest kid grew up in Ohio, small town, like very small town. Like, my graduating class had like 60 kids in there. Like, very small town, like Southern Ohio next to Kentucky. And, yeah, just grew up like that.

And I was always just into, like, discovering new music. And I had an older brother that put me onto a lot of shit. So from the gate, I was like eight. And he was like a teenager. And he was putting me on to Lent Biscuit, Marilyn Manson, rappers Eminem, Bone Thugs and Harmony. He was just very in tune with the music scene and he was like kind of a nerd with it as well. So he got Napster as soon as it came out and he's downloading all these different songs. And he's just like flooded me with all this new music. So I think

growing up even though it was like a small town and kind of confined and like in the Midwest, I was always like exploring like outside influences, you know. So that's what I was like growing up there. But it was cool. I had, you know, my friends there and had a lot of lot of fun. And then I did end up moving to L.A. to get sober. Because back home, I ended up, you know, getting into drugs and partying and just trying to escape. And then shit got kind of bad there. So I found out that I could go to a treatment center, went out to California to get sober. It just kind of restarted. And yeah, end up getting sober out here. Came to L.A. to get sober, which is kind of fucking backwards. But, you know, it worked.

That is backwards. People leave here to, man, all the, like, the the temptations here. Yeah. Are unreal. So you, were you, how did that thought process start for you? Like, okay, like, I need to leave. Well, I mean, I struggled a lot. Like, I was definitely, like, an addict.

Like, I was, you know, using opiates and just getting fucked up. And it all started with just partying, like, super hard, you know? I would just, like, party all the time, get drunk and smoke weed. And then it got into, like, harder stuff. So I think once things got really bad to where I ended up like homeless and like went to like you know I was in gel and I was in detoxes and just not doing well, you know, like really fucking my life up. So I think once I hit like a bottom, it was pretty easy to see that I needed to do something. Yeah. You know?

Like I just looked up one day and I was like, I have to change something. So yeah, once I hit the bottom, like it was easy to be like, I need to figure this out and go somewhere to. try to get my shit together wow yeah so you realize with with with your bottom my bottom yeah and uh and and uh your rock bottom is a very dark and beautiful place yes at the same time you you either choose to look to look at your own darkness and that okay this needs to be a change or you could go fall even more into that yeah and you chose to actually fucking leave yeah and go damn near clear across the country. Yeah. Yeah, and it wasn't my first attempt at getting my shit together, man. Like, you know, I tried over and over again to like to get sober and to change my life.

But I kept just like having these relapses and just regressing. And, you know, so finally I made a decision like I got to change. But I love what you said. It was it. It was the darkest but most beautiful place because it was like my starting point for everything. And it's a reason now why I do work so hard and I don't waste any time and like every single day I try to go above and beyond to just work and and live life because um it's like that pendulum swing all the way to the left and things got dark and now I have to overcompensate and just crush it because I've like got another chance at life basically you got you got another chance man yeah man and I don't and I don't try to make this like too dark or I don't know what type of you know what what type of fan base you have

that's like, you know, I don't want to make it too. I don't want to kill the vibe. But that is a part of my story. Yeah. It's just a vibe. Sick. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah.

So, I mean, yeah, man. I mean, on some real shit, it got very dark. I was fucking doing opiates. I was doing heroin. I was doing anything, man. And just like trying to escape. And I had some very low lows that just felt like just straight desperation. And I just like, I just like, I almost died like so many times, bro.

So that's why like now like, I'm just always grateful and like pretty happy. dude because I'm like oh my god I get to live like I get to like show up from my friends I get to play music like I get to do all these things so I don't take it for granted I just have fun with it now wow do I never I personally maybe people also watch and listen I never done heroin what is that like I mean yeah what does that do to you it's crazy now because now I'm coming up on seven years sober this summer which is cool but now the farther I get away from it you know I'm seven years without it so like it seems like a distant memory now like it doesn't even feel real to talk about sometimes I'm like damn I was actually doing that shit but yeah yeah man it just like I just loved to escape and numb out that was my thing yeah I wasn't really like an uppers type of dude like I like to chill and just and I'm already pretty chill but I just like to even get more chill so I was like yeah doing downers um and I think once you start playing around with that man it really really is playing with fire. So I was, you know, using things that were accessible to me in my town,

like, like, um, opiates and like oxies and stuff. And then once it got too expensive, I, I started like buying heroin and then, uh, yeah, it was just the ultimate for me, like it was the ultimate, like, it was the ultimate, like escape and like way to numb out. Um, and like I said, it doesn't even feel real sometimes because it's like been a minute, but it was. It was, that's what I was doing. Yeah, that was like a past life for you. feels like it for sure. You know. A hundred percent, man.

I say this all the time, too. It feels like the day I got sober, this is just for me, the day I got sober and decided to switch my life up, that feels like where I got a second chance and like where I started. Like, I feel like a completely new person, but with like a different perspective because I saw that like all those dark times and stuff. So like I just have this sense of gratitude now that I didn't have before. Wow. Yeah, man.

And with, and when you're in that process of, I mean, you're. I assume you were in treatment when these things were happening, you were getting sober. And do you find, like, your, your, your, your brains is rewiring? Yes. 100%. And would you even argue it's still, is still doing it? Yes. Yes.

Same, dude. It's crazy, huh? Yeah, it's fucking wild, man. And I don't know, when you started, like, your process of, like, the rewiring, you're just whatever, you know? But, like, you know, there's, like, different times that, like, are, like, checkpoints. Because I remember at, like, two years in, that's when, like, shit started to kind of balance out. And then like five years in, that's when like it was like a cognitive like switch. Like I started just being aware to like other things I wasn't aware of.

But physically for like the first year I didn't feel like right. Like it was it was like a long time. It took a minute. What was the feeling like? Uh, the feeling was like I got dependent on those opiates and then I just didn't feel like myself without them. Like I didn't feel relieved. I didn't feel comfortable in my own skin. So I couldn't even like stand around like people like if I was like in a circle with other dudes.

I'd just be fucking twitching and like uncomfortable and very insecure. And if I walked into place to other people, I'd just go straight to another room and hide out. Like I just felt uncomfortable in my own skin. So not until like a year in was I starting to be like, oh, okay. I can kind of like I can kind of be myself and and just like live normally. Yeah. So it's like you're using like the numb out escape to basically not be yourself. Yeah.

But so it took you a while to actually to be yourself. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so it took a while to learn how to do that shit again. It was like a relearning process. Yeah, it's a thing, man, to be comfortable in your own skin. Yes. It is. You seem pretty comfortable in your own skin.

I see the same thing in you, man. Thanks, dude. It takes a while, man, once you deal out to rewiring and like, oh, this is who I am. Yeah. You know? Did you feel like you were, you know, did you have some of those same things to where you weren't able to be yourself? then you switched it up and then you got really comfortable

with being yourself like how'd that work for you? Actually, yeah. I mean, as cheesy as it sounds, it's just like embracing, like leaning into the thing that you think people

are going to judge you for. To like to the way your voice is, to the way you talk, to when you're maybe hyper or maybe when you're quiet is embracing all that stuff. I'm like, wait,

like the more you do that, the more people actually like you. And it makes, it's like the coolest shit too. Like I love when people are just able to be themselves or like, they're into certain things and they like geek out about their own you know what i'm saying like

yeah when people are really into something and like not scared to like admit it i love that shit i love i love like the i love like the i like to i like to see the things that make people like happy and that they actually like you know what's like or yeah what they think is going to be cool um and yeah man i think for me that's when i started having some success in music too like you know I was trying, I've always made music my whole life. Like I've always, since I found a way to record myself, I've been recording myself. Like, since I was like 10 years old, I'd have a little microphone in front of a speaker and be rapping or singing or doing something over a speaker.

I'd be at my friend's house. They'd be like trying to do stuff. I'd be like writing songs. Like, I've just always loved to record and make music. So I've always tried to do that my whole life. But until I stopped really giving a fuck how it came out, it didn't work. Like I would just try to show people things. And they're like, oh, yeah, it's cool.

But I'm like trying to sound like this person or trying to like oh yeah yeah just I just didn't know like I just would like I don't know just I just couldn't find my voice So once I stopped really caring about outside influences and being like hey this is What I like to do this is the people I'm inspired by and this is the sound I have And just kind of owning that that's when it seemed like people started to be like hey this is kind of cool Interesting so it's funny like when you find your own sound that's when you get a reaction from people like like the most reaction yeah it's weird Yeah, right? That's cool, man. Yeah, and that's something that I admire about your brows, which you leaned in to what you are and who you are when I think in most cases people will do the opposite.

Like, let's say, so when you send this parody rap video to your favorite podcast, and then Shab just says, little brows. Right. Most people, and I've seen it, will actually lean a little. away from that you lean towards what you are right and that was that is fucking badass man thanks it's cool and then you took it and you ran with it yeah that's so a badass i just thought was funny as shit i'm like i'm not gonna overthink this no then you can't yeah no it was funny as hell and like it just happened at a cool time because i i love those dudes man i love brennan i love theo like i when i when i wasn't making music i was watching podcasts and i'm sure you can

relate to a lot of especially if you're in the studio all the time or just like around all the time. Like you don't want to listen to music all the time. So you want to listen to like podcast and comedy. Yes. I'm such a huge comedy fan too. And, uh, and I want to talk to you about that too, man, because I know you are as well. But I would just always be watching their shit. So when they were like, hey, like, come do this. I was like, this is way funner than like what I was doing just trying to, you know, do the normal L.A. like try to make music and try to figure out how to market it. Like I was just like, this is, this is way funer, man. It feels like more like myself too. Like, so it was fun.

It was a no-brainer. Yeah. And you found a, which is hard for people to do. You found an other lane. You found a new way to do things. And that's what I fucking love, dude. What's new way to do things? I think it's a point for people to see that artist, you know?

Yeah. Yeah, it's been the most exciting part about all this. To be honest, like, I just wanted to create some new shit and be innovative and make a new lane. That's all I wanted to do. So it's been fun. I don't know where it'll go, but it's fun right now. so we're just running it yeah so for for anyone that does not know so you in 2020 uh during the the pandemic uh king and an interesting which is one one of your favorite podcasts yeah you know my

my favorite podcaster brenn shab's on there you sent they were having a rap competition correct yeah and and you sent which oh this also ties into what i want to ask you later i'll do it now is you sent a rap video of yourself and they loved it. And what you did, which is what most people don't do, is they send, you sent raw talent.

You sent a phone, you send a video with no filter, no mic, it's just you, rapping it in front of a fucking, it says you and doing this. And then you had a video and you sent it.

So there's no, you can't, you can't add anything to that. You know, I mean, That was your talent coming out and it showed, you know? And that was, that's the most impressive thing because it only takes talent to be able to see that.

And, you know, actually today, actually it's probably happening right now is we're announcing the, we're parting ways with one of our drummers. And so the past few months, we've been, you know, getting trial out videos. And they send like these camera, fuck, everything's, miced up and sounds perfect and like he there's something about it i just didn't like i just didn't like him but if someone sent like a raw video like that and it sounds good right that is the guy that's the dude yeah and that and that's what essentially you you did and it caught on yeah dude that's cool yeah we did a little contest too for the album for the thick boy album because i wanted to like you know it's so

cool of them to bring me on the show and give me a give me a chance give me a platform i was like i want trying to do this for someone else. Like if there's anyone out there that, like, yeah, is talented and wants to be on this fucking album. Yeah. Hit us up. So we got a bunch of submissions.

And me and Reed, uh, we're going through them all. I think we were going through some while you were there that day too. Maybe just, just starting to get some in. But like, same thing.

The ones with the huge production and the sound editing and like just made it per. I appreciated the, the work that went into it, but I'm like, it just didn't sit right with me. It's weird. But then there was this kid named,

uh, he goes by, uh-oh and uh great name yeah it was just fucking uh-oh that's a sick-ass name dude he was he was he was like raw like putting in this he was you know he kept sending videos over and over again but not in like a overproduced way just in like a hungry way like hey i really want to be on this project and he had like this pain in his voice and like this cool like tone and like that's like the biggest thing for me i love like tone and like you know in like uh vocals so i was like dude we could work with this like this is sick so like we didn't pick any of the big production ones we just picked this one kid

and he ended up making a track with me and shin it's a bonus track on the album called on um w and he killed it and it was really cool and authentic and i loved it too so i definitely feel you on that wow that's that's sick and you didn't also so you sent the one video and then you sent two more correct yeah i think what happened is i sent that one video like what actually happened i've told this story before but it's like fucking so so ridiculous i was like just such an idiot i went to chickfilet on a sunday because i always go to chick flay on sunday because i never think about it monday through saturday and go there pull up to the window i'm like fuck it's sunday okay sweet so i just pulled over in the parking lot and i put on king and the sting i'm just watching it on my phone wow and they're like

i i guess it was a white rapper contest i didn't know about that shit like i wasn't trying to be like anything like that i just saw them like reviewing videos yeah and like since i was was already a fan of the show. I just, you know, tied in some things about the show about Theo and Brennan and Nick and because I like watch it all the time. So I like actually knew what was going on there. So I just pulled my phone out, sent a little quick vid and sent it and then forgot about it. And then Nick, who's one of the producers on King and the Sting, end up hit me up. And he's like, hey man, the guy's like really like your thing. Like maybe you'd be sick to have you like come on. Like it's kind of turning into this like little rap battle thing. And I was like, fuck yeah, let's do it.

So yeah, Nick hit me up. I ended up going on there and then it just kept making... Then it turned into like a rap battle thing where people would send in submissions. And then I would just like do my thing and it was like this fun, like competition. Dude, what was it like for you to walk in that studio? And then... Was that the first time you met Theo and Brandon? Yeah.

What was that like, dude? It was cool. I didn't really think about it too much. I just fucking went in there and so what's up and they were super chill. and it was a little surreal just because like podcasts like you know if anyone listening and I know you are and I am if you're a fan of like podcasts you feel like you know the people just because you watch it all the time and it's so like personal yeah you know like so for me watching it all the time then to go in the actual studio was a bit surreal because I was like oh I was just watching this now I'm fucking

in the shit like that part was a little crazy yeah but uh yeah as far as meeting them I just you know just went in there didn't think about it and they were super down to earth and cool it was fun that was rad dude yeah it was tight and then how did then how did that did the ideas for a full album start to come out yeah um so we started getting all these submissions in and i i think i just i think i made like one other song um that was like more inclusive to the podcast and then uh i just brainstorm with them and i was like dude we could do a whole like album off this because because i started figuring out how much talent was in that studio like i didn't really know like because

Chappelle was just starting to come on there. Yeah. You know, Chin's always sitting behind the tables doing his producing thing. So once this like music element was added and I was making soundtracks for them essentially like I'm like, oh wait, fucking Chappelle's super dope

and plays guitar and like Chin can sing. Like this is like so cool. So we started kind of all collabbing and I was like we could really do a full like album. And those guys are in such a unique position to where everyone loves them and you know Brendan's got all these connections in the comedy and hip hop

world and Theo's loved by like so many different types of people like musicians and like they're friends with like all these people. So it kind of was like this perfect storm of just this cool world that came together and crossed over with music. We were able to get

jelly roll on a track. Paul Wall was a fan of the show and I'm like dude I grew up listening to Paul Wall. If we can get him on a verse let's definitely do that. A couple other people on there. I think, yeah, Mike Studd was friends with Brendan,

ended up hopping on a track. And then just like other comedians and stuff too. So it was kind of this just like perfect storm of like comedy music and just like having fun with something. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of a trip how first started off

as like a joke. Yeah. And then it became very serious. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's cool. Some of the best ideas are jokes.

And then it just spawns to this like fucking thing. Yeah. Either like a song or a record or an idea. Like when you're just laughing about some silly. Yeah. Yeah. And then you, wait, this is actually something. Dude.

Yeah. There's something here. Isn't that so cool when you're just like with your friends and because sometimes you try to force things or I do anyway and like they don't work out and then the one I don't is like the one that will poke through. Yep. Isn't that how it goes? It's so weird, dude.

It's so sick. There's something about that. Yeah. Just like getting out of your own way type of thing, right? Dude, getting out of your own way took me a whole fucking career to like to learn that one little things. Get your own way. Damn.

To a whole career. Wow. Like, when did it click for you? I think like you're in half ago. Damn. So very, very recent, we're probably the best spot we've ever been in a whole career.

That's amazing. It's cool. Yeah, and you guys have been doing this forever, bro. It's been a while. Our first record is 15 years old. Wow. The band's been going for 20 years.

And, you know, when you try things, You make a lot of failures a lot. You basically fall on your face. And then hopefully if you're intelligent, you'll, oh, wait, it's not a failure. I mean, I'm just going to learn from that. And then we just kept making all these failures.

And a lot of them were very public. But make it on its failures. But then after our years of making all these failures and trying things out, experimenting. You had a, I call them this a toolbox of things. Oh, shit, we know what to do and what not to do. and then just kind of been applying things like little things like we did we did this record

with Ross Robinson and it tanked it fucking tanked we lost all we lost all our money literally I was living in in Venice Beach I had to move out because I had no money I couldn't afford rent I went back with my parents

but when I look back on that record recording it all these little things that Ross would say to me were us they started to click after and then I started to be able to apply it with our current mindset and current music. Like little things like like he said something like

we were working on like a riff or like a recording a track. And then two things were happening once. One, we were laughing. We're laughing, having a good time. And he said when you're or when you have a deep conversation as there something happens, okay, don't fuck with it.

What's he mean by that? Like, you know, like sometimes you might overthink something or you might kind of overprocess something that that you tracked or a song that you're working on apart. Right. But if it's, if you had that spark, let's keep it. Leave it. Don't stop touching it. I love that.

And we literally just kind of nailed that advice like this past six months writing this new record. That's awesome. Like, hey, we're jamming in the room. And then we're either laughing or having a great conversation after, like the song in their riff, don't touch the fucking riff dude don't fucking move it around just keep it there and that those tend to be the best ideas

wow I love that and it ties into what you were saying just getting out of your own way and it's so fucked up dude because it happens in real time too like you're literally you're in the room because we're old school band

we get in a garage and we're all in the same room jamming we're like low looking at each other but yeah just vibing and then you're playing and then your brain wants to come in and say

don't do that or like it won't like you want to move a certain way but your brain wants to come in and fuck it up when you just want to just let the rip kind of right itself right and like I don't want to get all spiritual but I don't know what that is

right it's like where is that coming from where what's what is moving my hands and my brain is trying to stop that. Damn. And for you, I could assume that's like, you know, where are those songs coming from?

Where the sounds come here from? Where are those lyrics coming from? And then I probably, I've been imagine for you, like, you want to get in your own way. Your brain wants to come in and be like, stop that.

Oh, yeah. Or do this instead. Yeah. I mean, just, but as, but just let it come out. Just let it fucking come out, you know? Yeah, bro.

You asked me earlier, like, and you know not you know not that it's like fucking crazy good music but what i do is i just don't overthink it i just like my best shit is always my first takes my reference takes my freestyles like i don't i don't fuck with them too much all i do is like fine tune them after and like keep the same emotion and like try to tune them up i might do some other takes but even on this recent project most of those takes were like reference takes like i usually go in and freestyle to a melody or a beat

and just let that come out and then like fill in the blanks after. Wow. And on this recent project there was this one song that like my reference take was the best take and I lost the reference take. I tried to recreate it and it just sounded so fucking bad

like over and over again. And like I was like traveling because we got all the stuff in now we're letting the engineer mix and master it right? Oh great. And but we were missing this one take so dude I went to like so many different places I was like traveling so I was in the Midwest trying to find studios and I was like I gotta record this verse I drove like three hours one day and like went to this engineer and because I couldn't find a studio where I was

and I kept recording the verse and it just sounded like shit man um so finally at the very end I recorded again and it sounded like the reference but it's just funny that like that drove me so crazy because the only good take was the first take and every time I tried to recreate it trash Dude, that's crazy, man. So how long were you sober when you started, things really started to click for you as far as songwriting? Like, you know, I mean, you wrote, again, like, you had three records in two years. Like, when it really started happening. Yeah. Yeah, I think probably like, so a year before the podcast stuff started popping off, that's when I started getting serious about it.

And I think I had probably, as far as sobriety goes, I probably had like three years. sober or so like four years sober at the time so i that whole first like part of sobriety for me or just part of like rewiring my shit was just about like learning how to do life first yeah i wasn't really like focused on music too much i always loved music but i had to like you know i also have a kid like i had like a lot of other shit to figure out first like i had to get a lot of things back figure out how to like make money how to like show up how to be consistent even how to like take care of myself like laundry, like random shit that I was ignoring, you know what I'm saying? Like, because I was just off to the races, man.

I wasn't like, I wasn't good at living like normal life, you know? I never really could pay attention in school. I just never felt like present. I always felt like I was in escape land, you know? So that first whole half was like figuring out how to just like function as a normal person and be productive. But then, yeah, around like three or four years in, I was like, I want to put my music out. I want to like get serious about this. So I spent like a solid year just dedicating every minute I have to like learning and

being around people that knew a lot more than I did. And I would just drive to the studio every free second I have. I spent, you know, money on like investing in like, you know, equipment and figuring out how to record myself, figuring out, you know, producers to work with. And I just really like shut up and listen to people that knew a lot more than me. And I still do that now. I love being in studios with people that, you know, are awesome musicians and I could just learn from. Yeah. Yeah. So for that for that whole year before the podcast stuff, I just was on this like mission to like put as much work in as I could.

And just like figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. You just got focused. I got focused. Yeah. And then, you know, that popped off. But I was just kind of ready for it because, you know, it's like a preparation opportunity thing. Like I was preparing for that and then I got an opportunity so I was able to like I already knew how much work was going into that. Wow. Yeah.

You know what's plucked up is that that wouldn't have happened unless you're on heroin. Yep. Get it? Like you had you you're rock bottom and that made you make a change. Yeah. That essentially is why you're here now. It's 100%. Yeah.

I'm grateful for all that shit. Like, you know, people that are sober will say that a lot. they'll be like, I'm grateful for the drugs at that point because I needed them at that moment. Like some people might, you know, might, you know, not be here today if it wasn't for those to be kind of like a crutch to get them to the next spot. So I wouldn't be the same at all. I wouldn't have the perspective I have now. I wouldn't have the love, you know, maybe from my family and friends that I have now. You know, just wouldn't have the perspective.

So like, not only just music, but a lot of things wouldn't have happened if I wouldn't have went down those like dark roads and been able to like, grow and then come to the other side, I guess. Yeah, it's worried how that works, huh? Yeah. It's crazy, man. God, you got to. And it still happens, too. Like, you know, you have, like, you have your moments in home and, like, you know,

oh, it's someone sad, go out, go out for a walk, and you start just going in, it's dark. Oh, yeah. You go dark. Oh, yeah. And then, okay, either I could choose to, you know, I, it's like a sick part of me that I enjoy it. It's like, oh, this is, some good shit is going to come out right now. Oh, fuck, yeah. This is going to be good, dude.

I'm in for the ride. You know, I don't take, like, zanks or anything. Like, if I feel something, I'm, I want to feel it. Right. If I'm an airplane, dude, I want to fucking feel a girl. Right, right, right. And this still happens, you know, with the clear head, happy. I mean, I'm a pretty fucking happy dude.

I have happy life. I got, I'm in a happy relationship with my girlfriend. She's just awesome. My band's sick. And, but still, like, these moments come up. things that happen to you when you're like a fucking like four years old or a kid or unprocessed feelings that you thought you're processed

and you could choose to like okay am I going to learn from this or or what's what's happening what is he trying to tell me? Yeah. And sure it could tie it most of the time it ties into

I'm ignoring something could be like you know maybe could be a better boyfriend I mean I could be a better band member and I could have been a better person I should listen more Or maybe I should stop being lazy. Like little things pop up and then you either kind of shut that up with, you know, either excessive alcohol or excessive food or drugs.

Yeah. Some people or a certain type of addictions. But if you just sit there in it for a while, that's when some magic happens, dude. And you can either take it and it bright ends your day. Yeah. You know? Yeah, man. 100%.

I relate to a lot of that dude And I still do that too Where I'll get these certain emotions And I'll dwell on them And like Also we're like We know we love music And the creative like aspect of things

So sometimes it helps that Like those emotions just like It does Feeling kind of different Or like romanticizing certain things Yeah But uh Yeah man

I used to really love to play into that shit Where I would get these feelings And I would just run with them And like just Yeah Just fucking grind on them all day long But now I think I've gotten a little better it kind of letting them, like you said, like come up and then pass and being able to identify

where they're coming from a little bit more. Like, you know, usually if something's bothering me, like it's something within me type of shit, you know? Yeah. I remember like something I did early on in sobriety was a, I stopped talking shit about people because I, you know, was very insecure. Like I thought, you know, I just had this selfish mindset that I thought everything was about me. So people were laughing. I'm like, they're laughing at me. Like that, I have that thing. So once I started flipping everything and I'm like, you know, I don't talk behind people's back when they like leave a room or something. I say good things about them. Like, you know, that type of shit.

Like once I did that, then I stopped giving a fuck. Like if anyone's anything about me, I'm like, first off, they don't care about like I'm not that important. Like they have their own shit going on. Second off, if they are, I can't help it. So whatever, like I have to live my life still. So I think just like flipping those certain things internally like change the outward projection of things. But yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting.

Do you find that that makes your music better? Yes. I feel like that just makes my music and my life better because I'm operating from a clear space to where I can actually go from what I'm feeling to like straight to the track. Yeah, totally. It kind of goes back to not getting in my own way

because if I'm clouded with all of those like, you know, judgments or feelings of like whatever, then it does get in the way of creating. Yeah, it does. Yeah. And you touched on Insecurities That's exactly what like what it is

Yeah You know and your insecurity is actually I found a Escape as well It means you're not doing something that you should probably should be doing you know Yeah Yeah bro So I should probably be working on my own music right now or something

Right Yeah probably doing something now Have you found that even Like you'll You'll have like a bad day or like a bad emotion Then you'll you'll You'll channel it into a song But it's not something you will

publicly, it's like, oh, this is my, this is, this is either too dark or like, it's not something I will put out, but you have to put it out because that will inspire something maybe on the next song or like a year or later, okay, kind of that motion, kind of help do this a trip, man. For sure, I have a whole folder of songs like that, like, yeah. Pretty much in between anything I'm working on, I go off to those and make those. Yeah. And I just have a whole folder and I'll use like melodies or certain things from them for like

later stuff. Oh, wow, it's cool. Yeah, so like, that's awesome. Dude, that's like my therapy for real is like being able to, um, channel that. So yeah, like basically if I'm working on a certain project, I'm also working on my own little thing on the side, just like getting my shit out. Like I have to. I have to. Um, it's funny because I was a big little Wayne fan growing up, uh, you know, like I loved, I loved his music, his rap shit.

So he would always, when he started doing the mixtapes, like, I don't know if you, you were into that when little Wayne was like putting out mixed tapes. Like he was just running. him. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, like, um, he,

so basically like early Lil Wayne, he was like running the rap game with like the mixtapes, right? Because he would put out his albums and then on the side he would put out these mixtapes over like everyone else's beats. Like he would take a popular beat and like just kill it and make it his own. And I heard him say one time that like, the stuff he was putting out was for, you know,

everyone else and to like do what he had to do. But the mixtapes were like his. Like that was. was his escape. Interesting. So I always think about that because it's like, you know, doing one thing and then also doing something where you can completely be yourself and really put out like what you want.

So I think maybe like bridging that gap is the goal. It is man. Yeah. And ties in what you were seeing earlier. Like your, your, uh, your, uh, your preparation will give you an opportunity later. Like you just, it's this, it's this, you're just working. You just, you're constantly practicing. Yeah.

Right. Right. You know, yeah. You know what? Actually, I want, I wanted to ask you. disc. I don't know. Like, I'm really curious. That's why I wanted to talk to you. Like, I don't, I'm not in like, I guess like, like, like, like, like, you're seen. And how does, like, how do you practice? And like, like, drummers could practice their drums and they do like the, like the rolls. I could sit there and practice like a song. But how do you practice? Yeah, this is a cool crossover because I want to talk to you too, because I'm not in your scene. And like, I would be a straight poser if I was like, hey, bro, I know all the shit. Because I'm a fan. Like, I am a fan. Like, I am. a fan, but I'm not in the world, you know? But it's like, it's so cool to me. Like, I'm just curious about it. So, so we could definitely talk about that. But for me, I, I'm always practicing with like,

songwriting and like just vocals. Like, I can't always practice, you know, I can't always be, like, creating with producers or, like, other artists, but I could always be figuring out, like, you know, how to make a great song and how to, like, convey a certain emotion. And I just, like, draw all these different inspirations from like, you know, so from like, from like punk music to like even like folk like guitar music to like rap. I just love like figuring out how to take all these emotions and like convey them in a song. So like I could be practicing that all the time. And usually it just comes down to like me recording myself. Like if I don't have shit to work on, like I'm going to like pull up some some music and like try to make a song to it. So it's all like songwriting and also

freestyling. Like I freestyle all the time and like just think about what words to put with other words and just practicing like sharpen and tools of like creating and basically songwriting. Yeah. So songwriting is your practice? Yeah, I'd say so because I have to be able to like, you know, just make something great. You know, I want to like make. And I never know when it's going to come. So I could be practicing for 10 times. And then on the seventh one that I did, maybe that was like the one that's like really dope. So. Yeah. Yeah. Or sometimes you'll be doing that and like you'll have your 10 ideas, but, but you all suck.

And then you'll do it again the next day. They all suck. And then you'll be fucking driving and the idea, pop up. Oh, that's the fucking idea. Yeah, bro, 100%. And like, for me, like, you know, I am really grateful to work with Reid who, like, you got to see him in action. He's not only like a hip hop producer. Like, he grew up, like, in the scene.

Like, he's fucking dope with guitar. He can play drums. Like, he could play all the instruments. He's great. So when it comes to practice, like, we can. sit there and create and like we might do that to where we were waste like fucking you know hours making like five things that just aren't that good yeah but like that's our practice because then on the sixth one it could be really dope yep so if we wouldn't have done those five and like practice then we wouldn't

ever have made the last one that's that's that's so dead on man it's crazy huh yeah what about you guys like you kind of do the same thing right just creating and like always yeah i find that uh you're just you're just practicing for hours because as a as a like a a a a guitar player you i i could sit there by my house alone just like do you like practice on a song so i like i like a click is this boring as fuck it just like that da da da da da da da da da da da da da da just like make it make a solid boring shit boring shit but then uh hours and hours and so by the time we're in a room you're just you're just ready right you know tuning up that that skill yeah it's crazy and what's your guy's creation process like does it just look like a jam session vibe until

that something's clicking or like how do you guys create? Either someone could bring in a riff. It's pretty much all like all of the above. Either someone could bring in a riff and then that could be like the meat of the song. The riff could be sick or it gets sucked

but it'll spawn something. You know like whatever it spawns like an idea comes up. Could be a riff. We could be freestalling. Yeah. We're all just making noise. Yeah.

And then someone will play something like oh, fucking play it again. Oh. And like everyone clicks too, Honda. Yeah. like that run on that yeah yeah yeah that's something that kind of moves because i mean it's it's i mean we have four people in a room so if something kind of moves all four of us like you kind of like listen to that you know and uh if we're all just vibing on some just and then lately getting out of

your own way and like either i will come up with the rift it's like kind of freestyle and let in the hands move yeah or like the bass player will do it or mark would do it yeah or ernie the drummer like they kind of just start moving then all of a sudden like a song is there yeah yeah yeah i was i A rip from nowhere. It's just, I don't, it fucking blows me away how little I know about songwriting. Because like, it's like, where do that fucking riff come from, dude? Oh, yeah. It's just, like, I'm like, I can't take credit for it.

Even like, no matter how fucking successful we might be it sometimes. Like, I can't take credit for that. It's like, being there, I'm like, where that? I love that. That's not me, dude. That's like my favorite shit ever. Dude, any song of mine that I've liked the most have all been accidents, all been mistakes. They're all fucking accidents.

every single one. There's always one note or one melody that we didn't mean to do. And it's just super inspiring. We're like, oh shit, that was fire. Like this one song,

you know, all the songs me and Reid have made together, the best ones in my opinion that I'm like, I actually listen to those and like love those ones. Yeah. They're all mistakes.

Like, you know, usually what will happen is he'll be viven and producing. Like he'll be literally creating in real time while I'm freestyling melodies. So he's adding production here and he's here in certain things. And I'll be like,

I'll go up in a melody and he'll add the instrumentation to match that. So I'm really lucky to work with him because we kind of like just vibe on that level, you know. And he's quick too. He's very quick. Yeah, he's very quick. That's like one of the things. And, you know, so I'll be freestyle in melodies and he'll just like, be like, now this needs this right here. And sometimes we'll start off making like some shit that might be like what you would consider a rap song that we'll just straight turn into like some fucking rock shit.

And then he'll be like, no, I want to put live drums on this right here. And I'm like, okay. and then I might do some like grittier type vocals over it add like another section but there's been so many times where I've been recording a melody and like my voice has fucked up and it like caught it weird and he's like that's sick hold on then he'll chop that up and like just kind of loop it to give the arrangement and I'll be like yeah and I'll start vibing on that and then you know he'll play a riff that was an accident and I'm like I love that one and we'll just run off that

dude it's so cool it's so cool man it's crazy how how how that shit works. It's funny. Like, we just got done with our record last Friday. Yeah. I'll probably shouldn't say that. It was fine. And, like, you could play something perfectly, but for some reason, it's just like, I don't know, it just doesn't sound right.

And then there'll be like a fuck-up, because I fuck up a lot all the time. But, yo, those are the takes that you keep. It makes you feel some. Yes. I don't know what it is. Dude, you can't recreate it, huh? It's just, well, leave it.

Leave it, yeah. Leave it, yeah. It makes you feel that. Yes, 100%. And then when you keep doing it, not once, but we keep doing it throughout the whole song and the whole record, oh, like, the record or the song has that's, that unexplainable thing. Like, what is that? That this makes you feel. I don't know what it is.

Dude. But so you keep doing it. You keep leaving those parts in and let the song be the fucking song. Yeah, bro. You know, like, I was kind of like, dude, I was really just super fucking impressed and like so happy when you were jamming to our stuff. Because, like, you just fucking, they hit play and you're just like, boom, but, blah. And, like, as soon as you started, I'm like, I want those, I want that. Like, those takes right there are already fucking, like, as great as it's going to get.

Like, wow. I could just really feel and, like, see the experience coming in and just, like, seeing you click with it. And that was really cool because I'm like, dude, this is real. Like, you can't fake this shit. Thanks, brows. Yeah, man. Honor, man. It's really fucking.

Like, whenever someone says something to me like that, it's always new. Yeah. It's kind of like when someone says something positive to you, like, oh, really? Wow. Thanks, man. Oh, for sure. It's still new to me. You're like, oh, yeah.

whole is, oh yeah, and then I realized this literally like last month when we were doing our our album, it's like, do you guys are like professionals. It's like, oh yeah, we're like supposed to be able to do this. We're only done it for fucking hours and years. You're supposed to do that, you fucking do-do. It's funny.

Dude, I feel like an idiot. Like I, when someone thinks I'm like actually good or something, I'm like, all right, like, thank you. Like, that's cool. And like, but I feel like a fucking idiot most of the times. It's just trying to like do something. Yeah. Yeah. I think each artist or musician and songwriter are different.

I think either you should be overly humble or you should or that the super confident thing works for you. I mean, whatever your thing is, that's your thing. If it's a cocky thing, fuck it. That's you. Whatever your thing is that makes your music the best, you got to deal. For us, it's, for me, it's that like I'm just an idiot. I'm humble. I took a whole career to get back to that point.

Yeah. Yeah. It's so. I feel like that when someone compliments me, I'm like, I still feel like, I don't know, bro. I'm just trying to do something. Still trying, dude. I really don't know. Like, if that was cool, that was cool, because I'm going to create either way.

So like, yeah. But one thing I did notice, because I just started performing live, which I've never done before. And, you know, shout out to Brendan again. He brought me on a little run with him. He did four sold out shows in Texas and was like, you're coming with me and you're closing the shows. Wow. And I'm just like, yep, let's go. And then, you know.

You know, after all the fucking shows, I go, hey, bro, I've never performed live before. That was my first time. And he's like, what? He was like, dude, you did great. And also fucking tell me next time because that's a liability, bro. I was like, bro, I wasn't going to say anything. I was just going to practice and try to crush it. But what I did notice is that, you know, when it comes down to like the humility or like being overconfident and stuff, like, with the music, it's one thing because it's so personal and I'm creating it and stuff.

But when I got on stage, like, I felt confident. Like I felt like no one could tell me shit. Like I was like, this is my stage right now. This is my mic. This is what I'm meant to do. And I'm going to make everyone in here love it. And if you don't, that's cool. But I'm going to try my best to get you to feel what I'm feeling.

So that was like, that was super cool, man. Like I had never performed live in front of people like that. And once I got off the stage, I was like, this is all I want to do. This is all I want to fucking do. Wow. I loved it. That was your first show. Yeah.

It was my first show ever. and it was essentially four sold-out shows. It was during COVID, so it wasn't like it was crazy packed in there or anything. Like, they had dividers and shit up. Yeah. But there was a lot of people in there. And for me, I had never done that. So I just practiced a lot by myself and figured out how to get my breath right.

And I was, like, alone by myself, like, being like, okay, if I stop right here when I breathe, then I can finish this part. And then I could transition to this part of the song. Yeah. And, you know, okay, I got to, like, figure out how to put the wedges so I can, like, hear myself because I have in ears. And I just like figured all this out before I went. Damn.

And thankfully they all went really well and people were filling them. But yeah. When I told them that after, they were like, what? You haven't performed before? I'm like, no, bro. I just started doing this shit. Like, I just wanted to do it. Dude.

And from what, from when I heard, he did a fucking great job. Yeah, it was pretty cool. I think most people were filling it. There was one show where people were like, what the fuck is this? We came to see a comedy show and this kid's jumping around on stage. Good. but three out of four were good So I was like I'll take it

Yeah, that's awesome You know what? You made the right move After I heard Dave Grohl say it I realized oh this is real shit It's like fake it until you make it You know sometimes you just kind of Just go

Yeah You know Why not? What am I gonna say no And then just wait Until I get things perfect Like yeah I'll do it in six months

Let me just like get shit perfect And nah bro You have to do it Just do it And like I learned more Just in You know Because then me and Chin did some shows together

Yeah. We went on a little run. Like, I learned more from that real life experience than I think I would just sitting there and practicing for a year. Yeah, I do it. Because I figure, you know, I got to talk to the sound guys. I got one of my boys, one of my really good friends named Riley, which would actually be a great guest to have on here, man. I think you guys would click. He was a tour manager for a long time, and now he's an artist, but he knows a bunch of people at the venues.

And, like, he helped me figure out how to communicate what I needed with, like, sound and, like, all this shit. So, wow. He was a big help. But yeah, man, I think just going for it and not overthinking it is the move most of the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're very similar in that way. Like, we're humble everywhere else, but for some reason, we hit the stage.

It's like. That's the only time, yeah. It's weird. It's weird. I feel like yourself there, right? Yeah, it's like, I'm the shit. Yeah, dude. It's weird.

Save. Like, I don't feel like that most of the time. But when I'm, you know, the small taste that I, you know, the small taste that I, have got of performing live. I was like, this is where I'm meant to be. Like, no one can tell me shit right now. Like, this is my shit. Yeah, it's crazy, huh?

Like, I remember I met this dude backstage because he was friends with Brendan. Like, this super famous dude, I think he was a, he created On It, like, the one, the On It supplement that Rogan's always, like, talking about and shit. His name's Aubrey Marcus. Aubrey Marcus, I think, yeah. And he, like, came in and said, what's up and shit? And I'm, like, just in the back green room. Like, hey, man, like, just kid back there chilling, you know?

Yeah. He's like, oh yeah, he's going to do some songs for us. And he's like, oh, he's going to do some songs? He's like, yeah, he does like rap and stuff. He's like, oh, okay, man, cool. And, like, I went out there and, like, that was like the fourth show. So I was just giving it all I had. And I, like, made everyone come up.

And I was, like, having people just jump. And, like, I got it pretty hype on that last one. And afterward, that dude came up to me. He's like, dude, I don't know who you are, but it seems like you're meant to do this. Like, you really seemed like you were in your zone there and you got me excited. So that was cool. That's dope, man. So, I don't know.

Love performing live, man. I hope I get to do it more. Well, yeah, well, you want to announce it here? Yeah. This will be the first announcement. We just booked our first show in L.A. It's going to be May 17th. Got the Trupador, which I'm fucking excited about.

I hope people will show up because it's a pretty big venue for me anyway. But yeah, it's going to be May 17th. It's going to be me, Chappelle, Chin. We're going to bring some special guests out. and doors open at 8 May 17th Tuesday at the Trubador concert That's gonna be a sixth show man

Yeah Dude I hope I know you'll probably be out of town But if you're here And you can slide through for a minute And just jam on like one track That would be epic That would be pretty epic

Yeah let me know Dude Congrats on that Thanks Congrats on your first LA show Congrats on getting a million streams Yeah On the king of sting album

That's weird hot people Like People are listening to it. It's always weird, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, like, you see, like, the numbers go up? Yeah. Like, whoa, people are listening to that. I know, it's trippy. It's always a trip.

Yeah, and so many people are like, a million streams, like, you probably don't get paid that much off that. I'm like, not really. Like, it's just a million for the whole album. But it's just cool that it was like a podcast album that, like, people are actually listening to. So, that shit's pretty tight. That's the first of its kind.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. First thing of anything is pretty cool. It is, dude. It's like you, because you always say, well, I fucking did that shit first, man. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. It's so weird. I don't know what the fuck is going on. That's so crazy, man. Yeah. Yeah, man. It was just cool because I fucking love podcasts. Like, I'm a podcast geek with that shit.

Right? And I love music, too. So why not merge the two together and see if people like it? Dude. Yeah. We're doing something different, but we're doing the same thing. Right. Trying to merge our music with podcasting somehow.

Yeah, man. It's crazy. Yeah, it's really cool. How long have you been doing yours? I know you said you just moved into this space like not too long ago. Yeah. We're going on a second year. Awesome.

My goal, thank you. My goal last year was to do 26 episodes in the year, which is basically every two weeks. And when I did it in the six months, I got burnt out. Yeah. I was doing the audio, like the videos, the guy in the camera, the whole thing. Damn. It was nuts. I was like, okay.

That's a lot of work. and then now we're back consistently every two weeks, you know. Wow. Congrats, brother. Yeah, thank you, man. That's awesome. Love it. It's another way for me to be myself.

Yeah. I'm kind of a, realize I am a fan boy, I am kind of a punisher. As far as what? I like asking, I like, have you ever heard the word punisher? I don't really know what context you mean, but. Okay, so like sometimes you'll, like, you'll meet like a fan or something or someone just ask you questions and questions. Right, right, right, right.

I mean, like, they won't stop bugging you. Right, right, right. But you know what? It's a part of me that's like that's like, that's like, I just want to go up to a guy and be like, start asking questions. Right. Boom, boom, boom, boom. And it's, and be that guy. Well, I mean, what better way to translate that into a podcast?

It's like, well, this gives it like an unspoken thing. I could just do that. Fuck yeah. It's like, damn, I can fucking be it. Dude? Yeah. I got to ask all the questions I want and it's totally cool. Yeah.

It makes sense. Yeah. It fucking makes sense. Yeah, I'm kind of the. same way, man. I love that. I love that stuff too. Like I track, because I've done a couple pod, I do it's like Chappelle's podcast a lot and stuff. You did his podcast too, right? Yeah, that was awesome, man. Yeah, yeah, fucking shout out to Chappelle. I love that dude so much. Love him, man. It's so cool that we all did it track together. Yeah. And what a great

dude too, right? Love him. He's such a good fucking dude, man. He is a unique special dude. And then there's something about him. I want to hang out with him more. There's something about him that just draws me to him. I don't know what it is. Yeah, he's such a great, authentic dude man and like just me being able to be friends and know him for a couple years now like he's always like that he's always consistent you know there's never he's just always shows the fuck up as a good person like even if he's going through some shit he navigates it and he shows up for you as a good friend and that's like such a good quality to have man it is man yeah so yeah he's gonna open up for us too with his with his band he started a band called mad peaceful which is very

fitting for him in his crew mad peaceful mad peaceful mad peaceful so dope And they're crushing it. You know, they're newer. They've been working really hard. They rehearse all the time. They practice all the time. They've got a few good tracks lined up. And they jam.

So he's going to open for us. And there's going to be me and chin on the headline. We're going to try to bring out some special guests for whoever wants to come. So I think it'll be a fun time. Well, if there's anyone that could get together special guests in a big way, browse, it will be you. We'll try. You just did it.

I'm going to try to get him out in person now. Wow. Dude, literally the record came out this past Thursday. You got, man, how many people are on that record? It's way too many features. It's a fucking, it's ridiculous. Makes no sense. Dude, it's a thick boy album, dude.

Holy shit. My girlfriend always gave me shit, but now to be like a kind of a part of it, it's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. Brow's, thank you for this hoodie. Yeah, man, of course. I got a thick boy hoodie, dude. Yeah, you're on the album, so you got to rep it now, bro. Yeah, I got a fucking thick boy hoodie, dude.

Thank you. Oh, of course. I got to fucking put this shit on. dude. Yeah, rock it. So they actually have it now? It's fucking dope, man. Yeah. It's cool.

Yeah, man. Look at the shit, dude. Big boy. And I love pizza, man. You know? Yep. I'm just naturally thick. Yeah, man.

Oh, I fucking love pizza, too. That looks great, bro. Pizza, burritos, the whole nine. Rough it. Yeah, man. So, hopefully we can get all the, you know, some of the features to come out. It's one thing getting them on a record. It's another thing getting them in person.

But we'll try to. If this one person do it, it's you. Yeah, man. Which, I'm pretty guilty of this too. Like, sometimes every once in more, you gotta kind of look back on what you've done. You know? Oh, shit, like that happened. Like, we did that.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. I made a lot of, but actually turned against me, like, not really enjoying, like, those crazy moments that happened. Like, they kind of just fucking flew by. Yeah. I need to learn it more. Yeah, to slow it down.

Then have moments like you look back. I'm like, damn. am i did that if i did that why why can i do this right you know yeah i definitely need practice at that i'm not that good at it and i think i've trying to get better but i need to learn it yeah because i it's hard for me to celebrate wins i just fucking move on to the next thing and like yeah yeah it's tough i did i did have a moment right when this album dropped because it was a lot of work like trying to fucking coordinate this whole shit do you i'm going imagine man so right when it hits the streaming platforms yeah i fucking celebrated by myself like an hour i felt so relieved

Dude, that's dope. Because I was having some anxiety about it because we tried to drop a single before the album came out. Yeah. And the shit got held up right away because it had some big names on it. So like the distribution platforms were like, is this really this person? Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, because like Mike studs on there. He's got like fucking shitload of stream followers now.

So like all this shit started getting held up and it wasn't coming out. So I was like, dude, if this gets held up and doesn't drop, then it's going to suck. like it was just tripping me out because we all, we lined it up to where it would drop on the same day as Brennan special and it would be like this whole like inclusive thing.

Absolutely. And, uh, which shout out to Brendan right now and the Gringo Poppy is specials out. It's fucking dope. I don't know if you've seen,

you've seen that set live and stuff, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know they were, you learn with comedians that they do those shows so like get, I get ready for like a special.

Yeah. So yeah, it's cool to hear like those little bits. Oh, wait. That's the fucking. Right. It's so cool, man. Yeah, I know.

And I like, you know, I go to like a lot of their shows. So I forget people haven't heard that content yet. So I'm like, dude, this is going to be great for everyone to get to hear this. Yeah, so dope. So we set it up to where it would all drop on the same day. And then we started seeing things getting flagged. So I was tripping. So I was just like, dude, if this doesn't drop, then I'm going to be fucking pissed.

Because we just put so much work into this shit. So the moment that it dropped and I woke up and I saw that it was up and everything was good, I did like celebrate. And I was like, yeah. Celebrated the win. I was like, dude, I'm proud of myself. I'm proud to read for like sticking through this and I'm so grateful to everyone that was a part of it. So I did I did feel good for a minute after that. Wow, it's great.

Yeah. Fucking sit back. Have a cup of coffee. Yeah. I'm raging right now, dude. Just by myself. I'm like, I'm so fucking raging right now, dude. Just caffeineed up.

I'm so fucking cool. I'm so fucking sick. I'm just by myself in a room. Like, you're good in there? I'm like, dude, no fucking idea, brother. Yeah, it's crazy how. you got those scares because you only know until you do it and then little things pop up yeah shit shit just can you flag like what i know it's scary i'm like dude fuck man like i don't

i don't want this shit to fuck up i want it to just be seamless like yeah it's tough yeah and like that's the stuff that does give me anxiety like because we were talking about the creation process you know yeah being able to flow with all that um when it comes to like the technical stuff like releasing music, putting it out there, performance, and like how the sound comes across and all that. That shit gives me anxiety because I'm like, dude, I want things to go smooth. And like, there's always fuckups along the way. Always. So, like, I'm still learning on how to navigate that.

You know, you have a fuck ton more experience than me. But, like, how do you sort of navigate stuff like that? You guys just through experience, like, oh, we know how to, we have our shit down now. Experience. Yeah. And then, which we recently just did this, like, I almost left the band like two years ago and then I had a good friend

talked me out of it and then my girlfriend's been helping me treat it like a... I've been like kind of like that get rich diet trying mentality and I really avoided the business aspect of it so I thought it was gonna affect the music. Turns out I was wrong it turns out really gotta pay attention

to the business side of it. All that boring numbers shit like merch numbers, label, talk, found his emails talking to our manager every week. like really going in on that has been holy shit like I'm surprised we're still a band how is how has this thing been been functioning and I learned I learned a hard way we probably lost a lot of years a lot of money not watching our money because it's not it's not about the money I don't know a better way to say that it's not about the money however you do need to watch your business yeah to make sure that and that's what makes the music the best yeah you know I think it's like the intention is not based on the money money, but you still, yeah, like you say, you need the money to make the business function and to, like, get in front of it, make it successful, but like, the intention doesn't tie it to the money.

Exactly. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And just really paying attention to those numbers and little details and just to grow something. Like, obviously, if you're an artist, I mean, or anything, like, you never stop growing, no matter what. So there's always going to be new problems.

You get little things that are like, I can't believe I'm in this position. Right. Like, and, uh, kind of. combination of experience, combination of your learning in real time. Like, for example, someone asked me, like, you know, like, what have you done in the band that you didn't think you would ever do? It's like, be a therapist. Like, during the last tour, like, there was some beef between two band members and one guy wanted to fly home. And we're in the middle of a fucking tour.

And it's like, you know, it's always worst-case scenario. Like, just woke up, you know, I wanted to fucking, you want, we want to have your morning, your time to. to start the day to make sure day is fucking solid but you know you got to sacrifice that to now solve this problem you fucking wake up and shit's going down yeah and you got to fucking adapt right and say well you got to adapt in real time like you don't you don't have that you got be flexible in real time and figure it out and uh okay got got my copy had a conversation with with this one member and it's like i never thought i would be here an idiot like me i'm having a deep conversation with someone i'm essentially being a therapist yeah man and like damn i never thought

I would be here. Yeah. And then you start, that makes you look back of your life. Like, oh, shit, like, I'm able to kind of do this

because of the years of practicing, like, cheesy shit, but years of reading books and years of sacrifice of getting, like, your mind straight to make, oh,

this is why I could kind of do this because of the years before of, like, you, like, being sober. You could kind of be ready for when, like,

you get, like, these curve balls that are constantly you're happy. You grip all here, crib all there. It's just like, what the fuck? But you got to figure it out. Yeah. You know, I'm sure like, I'm sure you could ask, you know, you're around some really cool people with Chappelle to Brandon. Like, you probably ask them. Like, it's constantly probably trying to figure out, trying to solve problems. Right. It's all it is. Yes. I love being around people like that. I try to surround myself with basically just problem solvers because those are usually the people that are successful and like just thick skin and like, dude, we're going to fucking make it happen. happen regardless. Like yeah this is the goal and there's going to be like 20 hiccups along the way, but like we're not going to stop until the end goal happens. Absolutely. So like those that's like

a huge quality I look for and like people I surround myself with. It doesn't really matter, you know, about the whatever like the success or what it's always about like the problem solving because like those people are successful. They're good people and they're just solution oriented. Like they're not going to think about like shit in that way. They're going to think about it and like what's the solution. Um, yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, man. I'm grateful. to be a lot around a lot of dudes like that and a lot of people I've met in sobriety too like I have like a lot of good friends they're just like these cool sober dudes that have had to get through a lot of shit and uh they just got this perspective that's like I just haven't found anywhere like like that so it's cool to have them in my corner too

it's dope yeah yeah as when you get older too like the people that are around you like wow this is a little a little bit different how how did this happen right it's crazy yeah that's the shit man just like all different perspectives. Yeah. Yeah. It's sick. And asking questions here and there and is listening. Love that.

Right. Dude, I think I suffered a lot when I was younger from just have this like I know mentality. Oh, dude, you're fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Just like hardcore, like, you know, just the way I grew up and shit. Like I had everything I wanted.

Like, you know, I wasn't like super rich or anything. I just like had a good family that gave me everything I wanted like super normal childhood. you know. So I had this like mentality that like, you know, I had this like importance or like this pride thing that like if someone would try to tell me something, I'm like, yeah, but I already know this. Like just that starts. Dude.

Yeah. That shit in the front of my brain just starts before I could even get to like. Yeah. This like humility spot. So I had to really work a lot like a lot of my self work was cracking away that shit to like I don't know. Like someone's telling me something even if I've already. experienced it before like I think I know like let me just wipe that shit away and like listen from a new perspective because they might teach me something that I actually don't know yeah um and that

shit takes a lot of work man it does it takes a lot of work and like continuously chipping away at it because it's like a muscle memory thing it's going to continue to pop up it does um unless you like do the work to counteract it i know you got the work never stops too dude because there's always to me problems yeah it's always problem never stops it's exhausting sometimes but like Like if you chip away at it, you get these like moments of freedom where you're like, oh, sacrificing that to like have this freedom is like, it's so great, man. It's so great. It's all it is.

I'm sure that's what is what you learn. Everything you want in your life is all through sacrifice. It's like how much are you willing to sacrifice? Yeah. Yeah. That's all it is. Yeah, man, right? Yeah, it's cool.

It's like lifting those like burdens and then having like relief after. And like you actually feel fulfilled if you like do some hard work, like some hard work, like some hard shit. Always do. You got some purpose. Yeah. Because if you take the easy way out and just like seek that comfortability, you're not going to feel good about yourself.

You're not going to like feel proud or even feel like relief and like relaxed. No. It's always like taking the harder route. But then being like, damn, I did that. Totally. Yeah. I've always wondered how people like more successful people like feel because when you're constantly doing something new, you're always kind of, at least for me, I'm always kind of like,

I'm comfortable because I'm always trying to do something new. I'm always doing something new. Whether it's like being out in public more than I am, we're talking someone new. It's always like this constant like, uneasy feeling. It's like, is this normal? Right. I'm always like, I'm always uncomfortable. You're always doing something.

Okay, well, I have the news before. I got to do that. And it's always something. I wonder if that's like a normal feeling. I know. I don't know because I feel the same way as you. I'm like always feeling like that. But I'm trying to constantly force myself to be uncomfortable.

It was awesome. I think a lot of those people I look up to are obsessed like we were talking about, you know? Obsession, dude. So like, yeah, like I don't know if, you know, maybe things always feel like new and fresh to them too. If they're like super successful and they could just like chill. Yeah. But like they're obsessed with like the growing and like the next thing. So yeah.

I don't know. But that's a good question. We'll have to ask someone one day. I know, dude. I think it's a combination of you're always uncomfortable. Yeah. But you're comfortable in your own skin. Yes.

Yeah. And like... Makes sense, right? Yeah. Yeah. You're like getting more comfortable in your own skin, too. Like, I'm more comfortable with my own skin than I was like three years ago. Yeah. But then like, you know, then I was like more comfortable like than a year before that.

It's just like this constant thing that's like never really truly satisfied. There's like this one quote that's like, you know, proud but not satisfied, I guess. Like yeah. It's like you were saying like being able to like celebrate some wins. You have to. But also not losing that hunger. Never lose the hunger, dude. Right.

So I'm always intrigued by that dichotomy. There's a fine line between like rest and like being cool with what you've done, but like also never satisfied. So like you have to meet in the middle because if you're just never satisfied, then you're just always like trying to fucking escape, never be present, never get to enjoy things. Nothing's ever enough. Like, oh, as soon as I get this, then I'll feel okay. I'll be like whole. But yeah, that balance is like something I'm still trying to try to work on. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, as long as you're hungry. Right. Because that shit goes away sometimes. So the fact that you have it, you know. Yeah. And don't lose it. Yeah, man.

I heard, I think it was David Guggins that talks about this. You know, David Guggins? Yeah, he's fucking maniac. Yeah, he's fucking insane. Yeah, bro. He gets me pumped up sometimes. Yeah, yeah. But he talks about the difference between motivation and drive, which helps me a lot.

Because he's like, you know, you could be motivated to do certain things. things, but sometimes the motivation is like fleeting, like it'll leave. Oh, it's true. Yeah. But if you're driven, like, the drive is more like long term to where it's like, he always says like, fuck motivation. Like, you don't want to just be motivated because that'll just leave. But if you're driven, then you have like this long term marathon that like you're not going to quit.

And you understand that the things are fleeting, but you still like have the drive. Wow. So I like that. Those two things to think about. That helps me think about it sometimes because I'm like, it's like a marathon. It's like just. sticking to it. Sometimes I'm not going to feel like it, but I still get up and do it. When you get up, we don't feel like doing it. You got to get up today. It was one of those days

for like, I was in bed. I do not want to fucking get. Some days you just like that. I don't want to get up. Yeah. It's so fucking crazy. It feels like there's something on you. Like it's like pushing you down. Oh yeah. It's so bizarre. I felt like that yesterday. I was kind of just weighed down a little tired, like didn't feel like as like fluid as I normally do. You know what I'm saying? So weird. It never goes away, dude. I know. But something makes you get up. I don't know.

Yeah. Yeah, bro. There's something fucking makes. And now we're like in the flow. I got to do this. Got to come chop it up with you. Yeah, bro. I was like,

I was like, fuck, I don't want to be late. Yeah. I want to be like on time. Then I'm fucking, I'm like thinking about a million different things. I'm like putting my music on and shit.

I turn left. I go the complete opposite way. I'm like, where the fuck is Santa Ana? Oh, it's this way. Yeah. And then like just LA traffic and ways is just

Relinquish. It goes from ETA 11 to like, boom, ETA 1120. And I'm like, oh, fuck yeah. One turn cost me that much time. Chris doesn't fucking hate me. Yeah. It's all right, dude.

We made it. Made it here. You're fucking here, man. I'm curious with your perspective. This is something that we're currently doing with. You're actually, with our lyrics, you can't really understand what we're saying. I'm very aware of that. But with you,

People could understand what you're saying. Like, do you, like, what do you think about, like, okay, if I have this song, it's about this, these lyrics, are you worried about things getting taken down from YouTube? We're being canceled. Like, we're saying what you want to feel, you know? Right, right, right. I usually don't think about it when I'm creating it. Thankfully, I don't know if it's just, like, I'm very, like, self-aware. Like, even when I'm freestyling, like, I'm able to, like, think, like, what's coming together.

Yeah. So, like, nothing I've really done so far has been, like, I haven't said it and be like, ooh, I don't know about that. Okay. Like, I'm usually pretty aware of it. And it's like, you know, it's usually just like pretty normal, normal shit. There's been a couple of times where we've, like, done, like, said certain things and we've, like, brainstormed and been like, I don't know if that's a good move to, like, say that or whatever.

Just like, whatever it is. I don't know. It just might come across weird. Yeah. So we've, like, taken it out. Yeah. And usually it's like me and, like, read or like someone I'm working with, like, brainstorming that. Yeah.

Um, for the most part, I don't really think about it. I haven't, you know, I'm also not like that big. So like, I haven't had to think about that shit yet. But I'm sure as I go, I might be like, ooh, might not be the best move to say that right now. You're already there, man. You're in it. Yeah. Yeah, man.

I don't know. But, um, yeah, the lyrics, I don't know. I just go with what I feel. And I, I think usually I'm like saying little tiny, like, intricate things. So I'm like, people might not pick up on that. But if they do later, then that'll be cool. Yeah. Like a little sub.

little things. So it's usually just like chalked full of like little uh, um, Easter eggs. I like to do that a lot with the lyrics. Of course. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've always wondered that with your, with your perspective. Yeah, man. You know, because, uh, because our, our band name is fucking kind of banned from like TikTok and stuff because the war suicide has been so like, oh, I don't even think about that. When the whole cancel culture thing came out of you, we got fucking hit hard. Wow. Like, uh, you get like shadow band from like, uh, Instagram, YouTube. TikTok is the bad one.

It's like we can't even have like a name on there. So we're trying to figure out a way to get our ban on there. Wow. I didn't even think about that. It's been fucked, dude. Wow. But like it does. It's so crazy though that like it's not even like that like.

It's, I don't know, man. He got to. You got to adapt. You got to get people don't want to piss off the mob. Like this whole thing that fucking what like, you know, my must just like bought Twitter for like. $44 billion. Right. And like my mind

automatically goes like Kind of selfish. What does that mean for me? Yeah. You know, like, oh shit, is this going to be like, is he going to be on the board? I guess that from where I read a little bit, it won't finalize until October, which who knows that's that even true. Right.

But okay, is this, is he going to be on the board? Is he going to have a say? Yeah. What does that mean for other social media platforms? Yeah. Like a YouTube or Instagram or a TikTok. So my man, if he What if he does change shit?

Like what does that do with other Platforms? It would be great for me Right. Like shit, I would like We post something on Instagram Like the algorithm will fucking smash it Because because the word suicide It's like, damn this fucking sucks

You my Elon Musk, please fucking Dude change something dude Right. Jesus dude Because I feel like he would I hope so If like it goes that way Yeah bro Because we gotta grow like

past that because like well that's not even doing shit like that's not the root of the problem like yeah these words and like this like it's not the i just feel like we're like in general it's just not getting to like the solution of the problem like even with the whole like you know with with all the lockdown shit and everything that went down like i was working in mental health like i work directly with people struggling like i work with addicts i work with um people with mental health issues people with bipolar people with you know suicidal ideation and like I'm directly with people like that you know I'm saying so like that's kind of what I do like my service work and like you know for like day job and like you know now I kind of

do like more remote stuff but um I'm always doing that like I'm always trying to give back like that so like I'm seeing it firsthand and like people have it so fucking backwards dude like you know we're talking about all these like lockdown things and like these numbers and like they have no idea that the overdose rate is way higher than any of the other shit like the suicide rates are like way higher than any of the other shit because people are like locked inside anxious all day like you know what I'm saying so wow I just when I hear things like that I'm like bro it that's so backwards it has nothing to do with like a band name or like this person saying this or like whatever it's like we got to figure out like the root of these problems and like solutions to like help people

because people just don't even think about like how crazy shit is when it comes to that you know totally yeah yeah in a weird way you know I do have faith in people it's like so do people even care about like the like the solution or it always have to look it has to look good on paper yeah you know it's like it's okay a lockdown looks good on paper or or or canceling this person that's good on paper 100% they probably don't feel like that they probably don't they probably do not feel like that yeah it's the same thing as like haters like online like you know they'll be like a mob of like hate on like one thing but like if all those people were in person with that person or like whatever like they probably wouldn't act like that or like feel like that even that's so weird they probably be like

excited and be like hey man just like whatever like so it's like the same thing like i don't know i just creates this like mob mentality of like it's a mob mentality pretty much like people want to come off a certain way like you said it looks good on paper yeah it's a very strange thing it is man it's very weird it's weird and um it's so it's like we're just a band right you know i i wish there's like i get there's like there's so many like accounts on there but there has to be some kind of like someone hey this is obviously not this or this is obviously not that like this a hundred percent it should be so simple that's what i'm saying we got to move past that is that's like such a low level of thinking to like act like that's the same category it should be past it because like what about fucking movies like

what about art like where we draw the line what about a quentin tarantino movie where like actual crazy shit happens but we're like that's movie category yeah like people don't think like that people are smart like you said you have faith and like people and like humans like people are smart enough to No, bro. That's not adding to anything else. There's like actual real shit going on that like no one wants to care enough to like research and figure out how to fix that. They just want to look good. Totally. And my main fear is like I don't want like your music or my music or movies or convenience like to dumb down their art. Because then we're all going to be, we'll all be more unhappy. Because we love the best comedy. We want the best darkest.

Yeah. And other people that are actually enjoying it would be. be unhappy too. Yeah. Because those people aren't the ones that are mad about anything. Like, yeah. The people that come to the shows and that come to see comedy or whatever, they want to hear like the height of what they're trying to say.

Like they want to hear like the extreme of what they're actually trying to say. Yep. And people like it. And people understand that it's a joke or a song or a movie. Yeah. God damn. I'm fucking pissed. I know.

God damn. I'm fucking pissed right now. I'm fucking fired up, too. He worked up, bro. I'm fucking three-fourths down with his monster. I'm fucking. Shout out to Monster. Thank you.

you. Hell yeah, this is really good, too. That's my favorite one. No, no. It's not, it's no coincidence.

I mean, just the purple one to me taste better, you know? Dude, yeah, we got the purple lights popping,

purple monster. You got the vibes right in here, Chris. Thank you, brother. No, no worries. Well,

well, Browns, I want to thank you for doing, doing the podcast, making the drive down. Of course. The new record is out now.

You did a phenomenal job, dude. Thank you, man. It sounds awesome. Oh, bro. That means a lot coming from you because I know you fucking aren't bullshitting me and you know music so that's cool

I'll take it. Love it dude. It sounds like it's fucking heavy. And thank you for hopping on the track and shredding on fucking the Chappelle song, man. I love that track. I was listening to that on the way down here. Just so fucking, like the bass with the guitar. It's so crazy.

It's a very unique sound. Yeah. It's funny. I was going to tell you here in person, but I was, I don't know why. I've been getting some thoughts of like, oh, I should send brows to some tracks I have. Just like riffs. Yeah. Maybe you could tweak them or do whatever you want.

I would love that. I would love that, bro. Yeah. You don't kind of text me back. It's like you'll take it. If it sounds cool, great or not, it's fine to you. You know, I like sending, I like sending texts and not expecting answers back. Me too.

Me too. I'm saying this because I want to say what's up. Hope we're doing good. I'm the same fucking way, bro. I love that. Me too. And I hate when people take it too serious. Like, I'm actually going to, uh, well, I'm,

won't put him on blast, but someone, I was like, because I have ideas all the time with melodies and like songs and like whatever. Yeah. So I'll text people, the melodies. Like, I might text in three reference tracks that sound like shit. It's just me like mumbling. Yeah.

But I'm like, I want to know if you hear a melody that inspires you and be like, hey, let's turn this into something. Yeah. And I was like texting my friend. And I texted him a melody of a very rough. It was just a rough, you know? Yeah. It was over a track.

I was humming melodies. And he messaged me back. He's like, hey, man, just like, this doesn't really sound that good. The quality doesn't sound that good. good. I don't know if, and I'm like, bro, this is just a idea. Like, don't even fucking text me back. If you like it, take it. If not, let's move on. Like, yeah, of course. I want to text you like 50 times until you're like, hey, I like this one. And I'm like, cool. That's what I was looking for. Yeah. So I'm the same way. That's hilarious. Yeah. And you understand you. People

are fucking busy, dude. Oh yeah. People were busy. 100%. 100%. Yeah, man. No, I don't expect it back either. I'm just like, dude, maybe you'll see this text in three months and we'll fucking make it happen like whatever. Yeah, it's dope. But if you text me riffs, trust me, you'll hear back from me. And I'll be like, I'm going to fucking work on these shit right now. We'll browse, where can people find you? People can find me on just little browse L-I-L-B-R-O-W-S, Spotify, Instagram, YouTube, and the Thick Boy album is out now on all streaming platforms. So literally on everything you listen to music on. Check it out. Got some cool people on there. We got me, Chappelle, Chin, Bert Kreisher, Mike Stud, jelly roll, Chris Garza.

Probably for getting a bunch of people because there's 30 people on it. But check it out. And I really appreciate you guys listening and I appreciate you having me on today, man. This is a lot of fun. And live at the Tribador, May 17th. May 17th. Yes, please come out. It'll be a fun show.

I don't know what the fuck's going to happen. Who's going to be there? But we're going to make sure the music sounds good and people have a good time. So if you want to come, May 17th at the Troobador. Doors at eight, first band at nine, and then I'm on at 10 with Chin and some special guests. Wow. Browse, thank you. Thank you.

Until fucking next time. Right, guys. Ladies, appreciate it. Later.