Garza Podcast - 35: Three Dollar Bill Y'all

Episode Date: July 4, 2022

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If I didn't have Zach, then I cannot have the mental, emotional capacity to do this shit every week. So you are a godsend, dude. So thank you for being a part of the team, man. Of course, man. Stoke to be doing it. It's a lot of fun. It's so weird that I was talking to you. I might have been a year ago now, and we were in your garage.

Yeah, it's been at, I want to say at least six months for sure. It's so bizarre. It's been a good six months. Yeah. And I remember, like, I was talking about how I need to help with the podcast. You were talking about you want to start a podcast and you had questions. Yeah. And it's so funny how life will give you an answer right in front of you.

Right. And you won't even like, you were right in front of me. I couldn't have, hey, hey, you want to, like, you know, do this? Yeah. No, that's funny because that conversation literally started. I was, like, running on my treadmill in the garage. And you popped in. And I was like, oh, cool.

And then, yeah, we just brought up the podcast and, like, you know, a deep conversation three hours later and then, you know, ended up doing this. So it's crazy how that, like you said, how life just kind of gives you those opportunities. And that's why you just have to kind of go for it and not question it. Totally. I think a lot of times people, like, overthink those kind of things. Yeah. You just go for it.

And usually it works out. Totally. I do the same thing. Like, you'll have an answer. Like, right, I'll have an answer right in front of me and it will take, like, years to process. Yeah. Oh shit.

Like there's like, oh, it was like, it was right there. Yeah, exactly. It's like, it is like the cliche. Like it was right underneath her nose. Yeah. It's a cliche for a reason because it's, and it pisses me off to it. I'm like, man, it was like, the answer was right in front of me. Yeah, exactly.

But that's also why you can't overthink it, you know? Totally. Just go for it. That's a hard thing not to like overthink things, especially when I purposely consciously do it. I don't want to overthink. I'm trying to like just go in. True.

Your brain's just like, fuck you. Because then, yeah, you get the second guessing, you get the doubt. Yeah. The what ifs, right? That's the big thing of like, what if this goes wrong? What if that goes wrong? It's like, well, we'll deal with it when that happens, right? Totally.

You know. Well, Zach, love you, man. I'm glad you're a part of the team. You've seen some pretty cool things behind the scene. So I just want to bring everyone in. Bring everyone in what's going on because usually I'm just, I don't know. Like, there's going to be episode 35. Yeah.

And obviously, like, my name's on it. But I never really, like, you know, talked, really because my thing is, like, I want to ask questions and get, like, I like to give people the ability to complete their thoughts, which takes a while. You know, and I notice when we have headphones in, like, oh, they're not done thinking. And I know they're not done thinking. So I'm going to let them talk. So it's weird. So basically, you know, my name is Chris Garza. I am the host.

It's strange to even say the word host. I don't feel right saying it. But I guess if you put it on paper is what I am. Yeah. And I'm honored to be here. I'm honored to, so far it's only, it's been a year and a half doing this, and I'm pretty pumped. And on today is Friday, July 1st. And one of my favorite records of all times, so I'm wearing the shirt.

If you see it, I'm wearing a white Limp Biscuit shirt. Represent. July 1st, 1997, a band called Limp Biscuit, released a record called $3.3. it bill you all. Sir. And it was 25 years ago, man. That's unreal. It came out today.

Yeah, I can't even comprehend that because thinking 25 years back, I mean, I was a young kid. Yeah. But I remember, it's weird. That was like, I feel like Limp Biscuit coming out is probably one of my earliest memories as a kid. Yeah. Is hearing that record. I mean, and just thinking, wow, whatever they're, I don't. know what they're doing but whatever it is I want to do that I want to be a part of that in any

way possible totally it's like all right I got to buy I got buy tickeys I got to make sure they're two sizes too big for me yeah totally I have to get into some kind of like extreme sport whether be skating BMX like that's all there's uh there's all these little things that kind of go together yeah like in that uh in like the 90s new metal culture yeah that it's so interesting how like that brought all of us together to the point we're all here today just kind of saying yeah we all grew up the same way

we all love this culture so it's cool that to think 25 years later we're still here talking about it you said it like literally like you wouldn't be hearing my voice right now if it wasn't for bands like Limp Biscuit and Lent Biscuit for me

for sure it's like top five for sure and like there's a few bands that like you have where it's like you know exactly what you were doing where you were the first time you heard that band. Limp biscuit is definitely a memory for me. 100%. It was, should I just go into it?

Yeah, no, let's go for it. Okay, yeah. So we're going to go back to seventh grade. Nice. I want to say it was science class. And the teacher was Mrs. Mulgerie. she had big old titties dude the first teacher where you noticed that

yeah yeah they shouldn't have teachers like that when you're going through puberty right I'm just gonna see that out loud like why is the teacher that thick yeah it's like dude like my my goodness and I'm not sure why but a really cool concept but I highly that they'll allow it now but they had they let you play music

for the first like five 10 minutes of the class remember that really cool So people will bring in CDs, you know, a CD and fucking play it. And I remember his name too, Adam Gazzard. We went to elementary school together. He brings a CD, it's a red one. Yeah. puts it in and pollution comes on.

Oh, my God. And I was like, what the fuck is that? You couldn't even comprehend it, right? Couldn't. I was like, oh, my God. Yeah. And, I mean, it's just one of those moments, dude, like, damn, Limp Bizkit, okay. And then I ask him, you know, who is that?

And, you know, you go out and buy, and buy the CD. Totally. You know? Yeah. It's like, I know that it's just so weird. Like even, and then your brain and ears chain link things. So whenever, like, I hear Lipska, I, you could kind of, I go back to, like, being in that little class and, like, seeing him and seeing the teacher with big tits and, you know.

Yeah, which I call them DTs. Okay. Because I like to abbreviate things. Yeah. Distracting tities. There you go. Distracting. It's an issue.

And you're a kid, dude. I'm what? Like 11? Right. Little kid. And so over here I have DTs. Over here, I'm being blown away by Olympisk. And over here, I'm supposed to be reading a book.

And I can't read. So there's, so I had three issues going on once. Right. My God, that was a fucking magical time. And speaking, I'm not reading. Dude, I didn't read a book that was 25. Really? Yeah, like from front to back.

I'm talking like dedicated to finishing it. Boom, like, I'm going to read a book. Yeah. I'll forget this one, but I never read a book in my life. Wow. I only think I, I try to look back like, could I even read back then? Did I know what the words were saying to me? So, but I didn't read until I was 25.

So like when you would read a book, would you kind of just like skim through it type of thing? Okay, so you're talking about book reports. Yeah, exactly. Like when you had to read a book? So what I did is shout out to Arles Stein, which also, this is another birthday. In July, I have in my notes right here, Arles Stein, he's 78 years old. He writes still four books a year. Wow.

And so he's had 180 books right now in the Goosebump series. So I bought goosebumps. Soly for the fact of, I don't know, I talk it. This is what, this is great marketing. Yeah. Like the cover and like, oh, it looks sick. So I'll buy Goosebump's book. You gotta do a fucking book report.

Yeah. And I see the cover. I read the back. And I look, I read, I take the book. I open it. I read the middle. And that's it. And that's, and I would, I don't remember what the fuck I wrote down.

Yeah. Oh my goodness. You just paraphrased the page that you read. Exactly, dude. Dude, that's awesome. You know what I would do? I would read, I don't even remember what it's called, but you know, like, the section at the end of the book where they summarize the whole book.

Yeah. I would just read that. And that would be my book report because they don't, they didn't read the book. So as long as you have the basic details down. Interesting. And it was only like five pages or so. I believe it's, is it the epilogue? Yeah.

I think that's what it's called. But yeah, I just read the end of the book where they summarize the whole thing. Interesting. And it's like, okay, I know exactly what happened now. Wow. Like, I don't know the little details, but that's not what you would put in a book report anyways. Yeah. They want you to paraphrase it because they're, basically, they're testing your paraphrasing skills.

That's why they make you read books in the first place. It's not to like, oh, you need to know about this random story. Wow. You know, so it was a, I think that was the first time that I was forced to like try to like life hack something. Or I'm like, okay, I just need to get this passing grade. How can I get there without spending, you know, two days reading an entire book? My goodness. So I totally feel you on that.

Wow, it's true. Yeah. Yeah, you just paraphrase and hopefully you get a passing grade. It worked every time. I'm not going to lie. Yeah. The problem was. was uh this goes more into high school where you the whole class has to read the same book

and then you get the many heart attack when they call your name to come up and start talking about it yeah and it's like oh that's that's when okay obviously and they know you they know you didn't read it yeah i don't remember what i said how i could sit down just like pretend i read it yeah no exactly i don't fucking know what he's doing oh my goodness that's the worst when you get like i think getting caught in a lie at school teaches you a lot about life, right? Because it's like the first time you're like in front of an audience and the teacher's essentially roasting you. Yeah. To kind of like try to teach you a lesson in a way. I think you that's, you grow as a person after that. Oh, totally. Because you get so embarrassed and you go home that day and you're just like sad. The embarrassment,

dude. Like you walk home with your head down. Yeah. You know. So you actually read books when like, when like you were in school. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't always read the whole thing. I would sometimes skip things that seemed like it wouldn't come up because it's like just filler. But I'd read a good chunk of it. Holy shit.

Yeah. It's so strange, dude. I can't even like imagine that. Yeah, but you know what's funny? Like I was kind of into books. There were certain like goosebumps I was actually into. I also loved the, I'm a big horror movie fan in general, so I like anything with that's Like, I used to read, like, the scary stories to tell in the dark.

Yeah. I love, so I love anything that had, like, a theme like that. Totally. And I would read those. But, like, as an adult, I never got into reading books, like, in my free time. Yeah. I just, I guess I'm more of a visual person, so I always preferred movies. Well.

Like, I got way more out of watching something than reading. Totally. You know? Yeah, your eyes and brain will process more than what you see more than, yeah. Yeah. Totally. Well, the first book I read was Head's first book from corn. That one I heard was crazy.

It was sick as fuck. I don't know what made me. It might have been a new thing when you could go on your phone and then you could pull up, you could buy a book and read it on your phone. Right. Oh, like an audio book kind of thing? Yeah, like it's like a printed version. It's like on like you like read it.

Oh, and then you flip the page. Yes, yeah. Oh, I see. Yeah. I don't know what made me do that. I was in a long drive to Las Vegas. I was going to see Rob Zombie. Nice. And Marilyn Manson, sick-out show. That's a sick lineup.

And I don't know what made me read that book. And like, it's, which I've had, I've had conversations with Brian about that. It's like, your book was the first book I ever read. Wow. All the way through. From front of it. I don't know why. I still don't know why, which always trips me out about life.

like how you're drawn to certain things sometimes i don't know why i went to my phone bought that book and started reading and couldn't stop i think his his story it took like something so compelling just just to keep me my stupid brain engaged for that long period of time right well it's someone that you knew and you respected yeah because i know you're a big corn fan massive yeah yeah so it probably was just that it was that interesting that you had to give it a chance totally even though even no, books aren't your thing. Yeah. And it started like this whole, I mean, ever since then, I mean,

and the second one was Buildie's Book. Right. Which was sick. And then a couple years past, you know, then I stopped doing drugs like an idiot. And then I just do it into books, but I wouldn't have, now I read every day. It's just so strange.

It's so strange to be out of school. And it's nothing, now I'm compelled to read all the time. Even though you don't have to. right we don't have to it's so strange i think that's what makes it better though that you get to choose to read a book right yeah you're not forced to yeah that was always the thing in school that i think like i like for example like i knew a ton of kids that realistically were super intelligent but in a school setting it it just didn't uh cooperate with their brain the way their brain worked didn't yeah fit into like the education uh segment as far as like how they're at the academic

situation was but like if you talk to them just one on one you're like oh this kid's smart they're smarter than me but like whatever it is school doesn't work with how their brain works you know yeah and i know i just knew a ton of kids like that so it's interesting how uh you know just to just to see that like school used to be like the benchmark for if someone was intelligent or not and now we know that that's very much so not true because there's so many people out there that do amazing things outside of school like never even having a degree so it's it's crazy to see that totally yeah we all have our own path you know i graduated uh half my band an graduate you know right you know yeah totally it's like whatever your path is you choose fucking just do it man but it's it's

It's so weird how like, and this actually ties in to Limbiscuit, which is why we're going on this road. Yeah. It's like those moments like just basically lay out your life. Boom. Like if I didn't listen to Lambiscuit, I mean, I wouldn't be reading that book. Yeah. And I wouldn't be here right now reading books and I guess feel like a level-headed person. Yeah.

You know, I wouldn't be, the band would not be here. If I was not reading, it sounds like cheesy and like, oh, the guy reads books, but I'm idiot. But I have to. And if I, if I didn't have that, dude, the band would not exist. It would not, like, suicide sounds would not exist. And you have to, like, kind of, it's like, didn't you pinpoint things? You know, why? So, oh, shit, I mean, you know, was this this or is that?

Well, I do this because of that. And, like, it all comes from new metal. That's where it starts. Nends, dude. Yeah. Dude, that's so funny you bring that up because as you were saying that, I was just thinking like, dude, new metal literally built my whole foundation as a person. Like, honestly, there is, like, I think I never even fully realized until this moment. Like, I kind of thought about it in my head before, but dude, I would not be doing any of this. I wouldn't be in the music world. I wouldn't be doing anything like this. Photography,

if it weren't for like discovering like system of a down and deaf tones and corn and lincoln park and all those bands like it's crazy huh it just opened my brain to all basically to what's possible like in life in general totally you know just through music that's how powerful it is you just had a a real life realization in real time yeah that's cool so crazy it's weird huh yeah that's why that music was so fucking special it opened up your mind yeah and and and you take that with you your whole life man yeah you know and we've and we've and And we both, you know, done that, I guess, without knowing. Everything ties in to those bands.

Everything I do, everything you do it now that then you realize that, it's just ties in to, oh, like, the bands you hear when, when, when you were a kid. Yeah. You know, and the music, like, you listen to, you know, and we're obviously involved with the, with the metal scene behind the scenes, you know. Yeah. That's so, that's so bizarre. Yeah. No, and I think the only explanation that makes sense to me is that new metal broke all the rules. And I'm pretty like that's kind of my philosophy that I follow is knowing when to break the rules in order to advance as a person and discover like just a more true version of yourself.

Wow. It's to know when to break the rules. Wow. So true, man. You know, a lot of people are afraid to do that because our, you know, our society is built on like rules and it's important to have certain rules. But you also need to break some of them sometimes. Absolutely. New Metal did that.

It broke like the traditional song structures, mixing different genres, which wasn't really a thing until new metal. I mean, in some ways, but not in the way that like Korn did it or like even Sysm of a Down, like mixing like traditional Armenian music with metal. That's such a out. Like if someone just explained that to you, right? Like there's a band that does that. You wouldn't even know what to think. And then you hear it and you're like, oh, this is genius. It's perfect, you know.

That's so true. Yeah. Holy shit. Like, it doesn't work on paper necessarily. Yeah. But when you hear it, it doesn't matter what it sounds like on paper because it just works, you know. Would you consider yourself like a new metal kid? Absolutely.

Wow. Yeah, I grew up like wearing like Lincoln Park shirts and stuff. Like, I was about it for sure. Damn. Yeah. And that's why you're involved with the podcast. It all makes sense. I'm like, why do I like Zach?

Yeah, yeah. Why is he going to be a part of this? I don't know. So some conscious things, dude. Yeah. It starts off with, and I know a lot of people listening would probably relate to me on this. It all started off in middle school wearing a black hoodie, even though it was like 100 degrees out. Of course.

You got to wear a black hoodie no matter what, dude. If you didn't do that, they didn't know. They wouldn't know that you were a new metal kid. No matter how hot it was. You're going to wear that black shirt. Because they know you listen to corn. if you wear that black hoodie. Yeah.

You know, you know, that's so funny. That's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I'm a, I mean,

to my core, I mean, I am a 90s new metal kid. And that's just who I am. And, you know, even,

I'm 36 now. I'm still that, I'm still that guy. Yeah. You know, I'm just older and little, some gray hairs

are popping in in my beard now. I have my first gray beard, uh, hair is like, two months ago. Wow. And I was like,

oh, they're, There they are. What kind of feeling was that? Because I feel like it's probably different for everyone, that realization. It was, to be real, it felt like success. You're like, I'm here. Yeah, it felt like only because of what the band has been doing behind the scenes and myself,

I mean, working harder than ever. Like the past year, working harder than ever. I can't even compare, like, the early days of the band or me working or being in school. it was just like the mental and emotional shit that I personally have I've been putting in just to make this whole thing and the podcast and function

I was like oh shit like I'm see a little you know some bags under me in my eyes and some grayers are popping out it felt like it felt good oh shit like this is this was fucking earned man holy shit you worked your ass off to get to that point

I'm like oh my god yeah and then you'll time passes you get a little bit, you know, insecure about it. But, you know, there's, there is that too. Yeah. No, I feel you because I'm, I'm like on the cusp of turning 30. I'm 28 right now, but nice. You know, it's around the corn. It's going to have all, I'll blink and then tomorrow will be 30. Zach the kid. Yeah, exactly. But not quite yet. So, uh, your first nickname that I gave you was Stoney Zach. Yeah. And, uh, that's just what I have for now until it evolved. And I think it might be Zach the kid now.

I like that. That's almost like I like the 20s gangster kind of vibe to that. Yeah. Yeah, that's sick. Zach the kid. 28. Holy shit, dude. It's crazy, right?

What's that like? Oh, my goodness. There's like a lot of memes about this and people say this all the time. Like a lot of millennials kind of use this phrase. But like it's like being an adult and a kid at the same time. Really? Yeah, because like I definitely feel mature. like I feel like an adult

but I definitely don't feel like fully grown but I think it's more of an emotional thing I still have that kid inside of me for sure yeah and I think a lot of people from our generation even you're like only a couple years older than me but but like our generation like your generation to mine I think we both kind of had that same upbringing like the new metal thing and growing up playing Tony Hawk

like we grew up playing video games and stuff yeah so I think we're always going to have that like kind of that that childish uh aspect to our personality like as you know no matter how old i get i'm always going to like love like cheesy 80s horror movies and stuff i'm never gonna like at least my goal i never want to be like a like a jaded old man no matter how old i get that's my goal that's a great goal yeah that's at the end's an amazing goal yeah because i mean because then don't wouldn't you say that's kind of just giving up yeah you get to that point Yeah.

Yeah. So I guess for me, my goal is to like continue enjoying life. And no matter how old I get, I still want to have that young energy to myself going into my 30s, you know. Totally. You can probably do that by, you know, listening to new bands and not being like, oh, it's not as good as this. Yeah, not being an elitist. Yeah. I try to do that too.

I mean, I'll tell you to catch myself like, oh, shit, Garza, you're being a fucking. Right. So I'll listen to a new song or a band and have that. that open mind that that we had when we were you know teens you know it's just funny that you're just you're bringing it back what what uh you you had yeah absolutely carrying new bands it's full circle yeah it is it is full circle new bands that's uh matter what genre it is yeah i mean it's pretty much like that's how i discovered bands in the first place like being on my space and uh just literally looking at like the top artist charts and finding like you guys and a bunch of other

bands like Vala Maya and like countless other bands that like realistically open my eyes to like what's possible in music. Yeah. And it just made me want to be a part of it in any way. Like whether it's just going to shows, buying merch, like I just wanted to be a part of it. You know? So it's crazy that like, you know, here we are and still still going strong and the scene still going strong.

So it's cool to see you, man. I mean, as someone that watched it grow to the point where it is. now. Yeah. You know. And the scene's growing still. It's I would probably argue it's probably the biggest it's been maybe since it started. Yeah. You know. So it's wild to see. Yeah. Especially if you're talking like the death core scene. It's fucking it's it's it's getting up there man. Yeah. No, I mean, death core is finally getting to the point where there's like viral TikToks. You know, so bizarre. Like just just thinking like if you went in a time machine right and you went 15 years back in the past and you're at a show

and you told some kid out of death court show oh yeah in 20 years there's going to be girls making uh tic talks uh to lorna shore breakdowns they'd say you're crazy that's never going to happen there's no way because it wasn't even fathomable because this music was just created i mean correct me if i'm wrong just to express an emotion, right? Yeah. It was never like, oh, this is going to be a mainstream thing, you know? So to see it now to where it's at, you know, seeing like going to the Chaos Incarnage shows and stuff

and seeing like all the bands doing amazing on merch and like actually like making a decent income for themselves. It's so sick. Like that's amazing. It's pretty nuts, man. Yeah. Because I think none of those bands on that tour would have dream that that would happen.

No. Oh, no, dude, totally. It's so weird. Yeah, if you say something years ago, it's like, you can't even even be possible. Yeah. So, no, it's not going to happen. Like, if you had told me, well, it's going to be a podcast, you're going to be the host. I'm like, no, way, dude. That's fucking, I will never do that. Yeah.

Going right, yeah, then going from a quiet dude to completely get to transform my whole insecurities, basically just put, put him out there, you know, it's like, holy shit. I mean, things that you thought weren't possible, then you fast forward, you know, you're just doing it.

Yeah, exactly. It is fucking insane. I mean, yeah, with the, and the death course scene, where it's gone as far as mainstream, it's like, yeah, I mean, even I couldn't really batten that. And I'm pretty ambitious, you know? Yeah. It's very, I love seeing bands like Lauren Shore is,

oh, they're fucking killing it. It's great. I hope they get bigger. I hope they stay focused. You know, I've seen, yeah. So there's always that turning point with bands, you know. Unfortunately, it's damn near impossible to, I guess you could say, make it in the industry

while you're signing and torn and holy shit, people are streaming your songs, you got hype. And it's even more rare that those bands actually stay around. Yeah, you know. It's the longevity, right? Yeah. I mean, many reasons. Ego, bands get a taste of the hype, and they believe. it which the worst thing you that you can do um and not realizing that that's not a permanent

thing right yeah like it's gonna go down yeah and um exactly it just sucks like seeing it and i just hope like oh my man i hope they don't fucking i hope they really keep going i hope they don't have like you know it's a much of weird shit like i hope they don't have a manager that's in their ear i hope they don't have yeah this i hope they're focused i hope they fucking proud of sick next record and they get through the hype when they become like an established real band yeah you know it's it's impossible to make it and it's even more impossible to like to break through the hype and bands make careers out of the hype which is like which is like they kind of stay like where the hype was but they never break through to that that like longevity serious like

or you're like a fucking they hit a ceiling right yeah yeah and then uh that's how tours get ruined you know like oh shit like they won't play with this band or under this band or so it's fucking... When the politics get involved, right? God, it sucks, dude. Yeah. And me, you know, I mean, I just want to see the genre get as big as possible.

I just want to see every band succeed. That's what I want to see. And this is when the bands themselves stop that, is like, it's so hard. It's heartbreaking, dude. It's so heartbreaking. Yeah, I think once we can get to a point where ego isn't involved in,

and especially our scene, because I, you know, I grew up in and I saw, I've seen every phase of it. I've seen parts where everyone was friends. I've seen parts where a lot of people, people weren't friends. Yeah. So I think to the point, the point where it's at now, we have the potential to have this, like, golden era that I think we've always, like, dreamed of.

It's there. But everyone has to work together. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And even, like, working together with different genres, like, in one of the last episodes, we talked about that, Suicide Boys tour, and they're, you know, they're taking coat orange and knock loose on tour with them. Yeah.

You know, and I think that's, you know, that's. such a huge opportunity for everyone involved in that. You know, the last one, they had Turnstile. And I went to that, the gray day last year. Yeah. And I saw, like, after that tour, like, before that tour, Turnstile, they were doing great. Their new album was blowing up.

They're killing it. But I noticed after that tour specifically, they went from, like, a big hardcore band, like a well-known hardcore band, to, like, now they're just, like, a mainstream rock band. Like, they're a household. name. And I think it was just being introduced to a new audience and them being like open-minded, cool guys, being willing to like, you know, branch out of their comfort zone and, uh, and not, you know, not get involved in the politics, like what we were talking about earlier. Yeah. Which is sick to see. And I love to see that, man, because I'm, I grew up with like everything,

like 90s hip hop, metal, like whatever, like punk. Yeah. So it's cool to see. And I, I love to see. And I, I love to see. I, I'm, I grew up with, like, it's cool to see like artists of all these different genres being friends now and collaborating because I kind of, I guess for me, I was always expecting that to happen. I was kind of like waiting for that

because, you know, if you guys all collaborate and work together, literally the ceiling is endless. There's no ceiling that you can hit. Yeah, it's true. You know, because it's not, you know, you're removing clicks. And now it's just music fans in general.

Yeah, it's true. You know, so I think, in my opinion, I think that's the future where, like, genres don't even matter. And it's just, like, artists all collaborating to try to, like, you know, to be the most successful and also to create the most unique music possible. It's kind of like, just let the next generation kind of, like, lead the path, you know. Which, yeah, I mean, it's always, I mean, it's always what the younger people say it is true. I mean, if they think it's cool, I mean, that is cool. Yeah. Absolutely.

And as us being open-minded to that, you know. And as you said, we got to work together, man. We have to. You have to, man. Yeah, you're right. I mean, the future might be like a whole, like, genres might not even be a thing anymore. Yeah. Holy shit.

I'm already seeing it, man. I'm seeing, man, there's, like, even, like, a whole new wave of, like, rappers where they're, like, you know, they're, like making beats that sound kind of like, kind of like when you remember like the electro metalcore bands and they're they're using like that kind of like anime style beat structure and stuff so there's there's things that are going on right now that I think people won't even recognize as being like groundbreaking until like maybe five or 10 years from now you know so I'm stoked to see where all that stuff goes holy shit dude yeah or it comes out now and people talk shana and then it's all of a sudden sick and 10 10 years yeah well

those guys will be their biggest fans in like five years. Of course. It's usually how it goes. Yeah, it's very true. Yeah. Man, so, so nice. Yeah, hopefully, uh, hopefully you all just work together. Yeah.

But God damn, it's not like that. It's getting, I think it's getting there. Yeah, it might be, you know. I've seen, from my view of the scene, I've seen even a lot of people that I knew back in the day that maybe would have been a little close. close-minded, even those people are now, I just aren't to notice that they're more open-minded and, like, checking out other genres and stuff. That's sick.

Or even bands that they didn't like are they now are open to them. So I think we're definitely, we're at that turning point where we're kind of getting back to that kind of like the golden era like we were talking about earlier before the podcast started. You know, like it was so crazy in the early 2000s. in the late 90s, where New Metal was, like, legitimately accepted in mainstream society. Yeah. You know, you had, like, Fred Dirt dating Carmen Elektra, and, like, they had that release party at the Playboy Mansion where there's, like, P. Ditty there, Snoop Dog's there.

And then Jonathan Davis is just in the background hanging out with all of them. Insane. Like, I don't even think, like, we could comprehend that. No, he can't. But it happened. Like, we live through that. you know yeah they really blew like the whole door open a whole door open for like heavy music yeah you know or bands like us and we're just riding that wave i mean i mean i always like it's controversial

but you know suicide sounds is a new metal band absolutely it's just like i i i get it i obviously i know i know who we are i know what we sound like you know where's that the core band get it but but how it started and how like the formation of the genre. Yeah. That came, we got, we took that straight from them. Straight from Limbiscuit and Corns and that whole, it was born of like a lifestyle and like a mindset and being open-minded. Yeah.

And things that were actually subconsciously figuring out now. It's still, you know, like, oh, I do this because of that. Yeah, totally. And the thing is, is like, Death Corps wasn't a genre when you guys started. Yeah. No one even knew what that was. you guys were just making music that you wanted to make right like you just you had a vision and you just you didn't say oh we're going to make this thing called deathcore it just happened right it's nuts you know and and to hear you know i think some people yeah might be shocked that that happened because you guys were fans of death metal and you were fans of new metal yeah and you essentially kind of combined the best parts of both genres yeah and now it's like like, you know, it's like one of the biggest.

Now that was standard. Yeah, it's just like, exactly. Now there's a, I mean, now there's metal core, which is like, it's like a, even, it's taking death core and then you're mixing melodic, you know, pop parts to it. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that, that all formed from the death core scene originally. So sick.

Which is crazy. So it's, it's crazy to see how far we've come with like Warp Tour and all that stuff. Like, it's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a legit. legitimate part of society, even people who have never gotten into it, they know what it is at least. Yeah. They've heard it. You know what I mean? Which may be like when we're growing up, there's people that probably never heard metal or didn't even know what it was.

True. Versus now, even if you hate it, you at least know what it is. You've heard a couple seconds of it at one point. Wow. You know, to me, even that is an achievement. It is. you know that our culture that we grew up in is like it's worldwide everyone at least knows about it it's worldwide prestige worldwide why mr worldwide

shout out pit bull shout out man and uh i guess yeah this podcast turned into uh respect limb biscuit and i think we both figured out more of who we are as people yeah it's weird no that honestly i i learned some things for sure holy shit yeah It's crazy. Dude. Lamp biscuit, man. That first record, before we land on the plane here and stop,

but that record was produced by Ross Robinson, which produced the first two corn records, first two slip-mine records. He produced one of our records that obviously wasn't well received, but he's a legend. And besides my family, there's my two favorite humans on a planet are ross robinson a monkey from corn so he he's a very unique guy yeah and and you could hear what he puts into those those songs and and the record so yeah

that record's produced by ross is why it sounds like that way it's that style um mixed by andy wallace with uh if you don't know who annie wallace is um let's see he mixed or bar Bonas, never mind, he mixed, he mixed Iowa. Legendary. Yeah, he mixed systems toxicity. Wow. And I think, yeah, he randomly mixed that first Limbiscuit record. So he also mixed Sepatura's roots.

Wow. So it's that combination of like with a, that Ross production and Annie Wallace mixing, to me is like, it's a goldmine because you have like that, like, that, like the real. raw, abrasive sound, and then Annie Walls comes in and is fucking makes it sound sick. That's so funny, though, that he also mixed Nevermind by Nirvana because that's, I've always loved Nirvana because they were never, there weren't, they weren't like a metal band or an extreme band. Yeah. But they had that energy about them.

You got energy. Even their melodic, you know, beautiful sounding songs had this like rough, raw edge to it that I love, that guy was addicted to Nirvana when I first got into them. think that's why it's probably the way the mixing was done the way it hits your ears. Yeah, mixing. Dude, I'm still learning. I'm still learning now. Like, when you hear a mix, like, we're

doing with our new record coming out soon. Like, you hear mixes, like, oh, it's a completely different record when you get this mix and then that mix. Yeah, I was like, wow, this is like, it's so mind-blowing, like, how, and then now, you said, like, you said the magic word, like, you're trying to capture a certain energy.

Yeah. You're trying to capture, like, and it's funny when you capture energy sometimes it might not sound better like you have this mix it sounds better but there's something missing it's a feeling right it's a feeling it's so and that always

fucking blows me away to you like oh shit oh we like this stinks because there's there's energy to it something you can't explain right you can't you can't explain it you can't explain it you just you either feel it or you don't it's just one of those

and look these records like this this Limp biscuit record and these all these Ross records are like we still go back those records as like the blueprint. Yeah. The energy that you try to capture.

And so, uh, again, this podcast kind of turned into a respect for Lynn Biscuit and new metal and we figured out that we both love new metal. And I made, I learned a lot about you. Yeah, man. We're both new metal kids. That's why we're friends, man. Yeah. It's why you're involved with a podcast.

So, uh, so everyone listening and wanted everyone to meet Zach. Uh, Zach is, uh, he handles the cameras and he's, he does the edits. and it's why we look badass I'm stoked to be a part of it man it's been killer time for sure you're not going anywhere dude it's sick dude I can't wait for the future man

so keep killing it's gonna it's gonna do a test I want to play the first it's on on the far left play the first few seconds of when biscuits pollution it's already there top left yeah

Yeah, yeah, here we go. Just fucking play that riff. Let's rivet. Okay, when I fucking heard that fucking riff, dude, okay. What does you say there? Ra! He's just yelling, right?

I don't even think there's words. That's primal shit. That's my favorite shit, primal shit. I think that's the thing that New Metal had that other genres, even like Death Metal and Black Metal didn't have, is it's believable. Yes. You know what I mean?

Like, black metal's cool. It has its own aesthetic. but when I listen to Black Metal personally, I don't feel like, oh, these guys are like really meaning what they're saying. I feel like they're playing a character versus with stuff like Limbiscuit and Corn, when I listen to it, like you said, it's like primal.

It has this like, I'm like, oh shit, I have to sit down and listen to this. It's primal, dude. Yeah. And we personally, we take that primal vibe and we took that from New Metal. Like you take the energy of it, you know? And you put it into a death metal, which is what we did.

And that's why people loved, like, for example, the cleansing. Because it had that raw primal, you know, even the way the snare was tuned, it gets in your ear. Nothing makes sense. But if you strike a chord, man. Yeah. People will look back, oh, this is a fucking sick this record. But when we were making that record, oh, my goodness. Nothing made sense.

But that's why it was great, right? Right, because you guys probably weren't overthinking it. No, you don't. It's funny. Do we still do that today? Like, we try to get back to, like, those split-second decisions are a lot of times the best ones. Yes, no, do that. Don't do that.

Exactly. But we sit there and you overthank the shit and then things get kind of, it loses that, you know, thing. Yeah. And you said it earlier. And I didn't realize until you said it, like, that music does open our minds. and we take that for the rest of our lives. Yeah. I'm 36, and I realize my open-minded

or I take a risk in my life. It's because, you know, I was in that class 7th grade and with a big titty teacher, and hearing Lamp biscuit, and started everything. That combination. Yes. That was the combination that did it. Yeah.

Yeah. DTs and New Metal. I mean, that's it. DTs and NMs. New Metal, and that's it, dude. Dude. Well, holy shit. Awesome, man.

Well, shit. Yeah, we're going to wrap this up on a high note. I'm not sponsored by them. I'm not paid, but I need to say something. This whiskey, this Metallica black and whiskey, we had a shot as a celebration earlier today, is amazing. So shout out to Metallica. Not only are you one of the best and biggest metal bands on the planet,

but your whiskey is pretty sick. Incredible whiskey. I was very surprised. Very surprised, man. Holy shit. Yeah. Shout out, man. I don't know who. They did a collaborer, but they did everything right. Shout out to them for caring about their production, you know. And that's what you call execution.

Attention to detail, right? Yeah, I love it. It's badass. So shout out. Well, anyways, Zach. Anything else you want to add? I think we pretty much covered it all, man. What's your IG handle?

So, yeah. My videography, IG, if you guys want to check it out, is AstroMedia, which is at A-S-T-R-A-L media. So if you like videography, you like photography, check it out, for sure. Cool. And we'll be on tour of September with Lamb and God. So check out those dates. We got New York, Florida, Denver, Colorado.

And we're also playing some updates. We'll be in Kansas. New Mexico on the road at on that tour so check out those dates be on a lookout next week we have Ricky Hoover of of sulfur it's gonna be sick and uh yeah that's just gonna be sick so tune in next next Monday every Monday here on the old internet YouTube Spotify Apple every year podcast so yeah until uh next week see you then later later guys