Garza Podcast - 36: Ricky Hoover & Taylor Barber Pt. 1 | OV SULFUR, LEFT TO SUFFER

Episode Date: July 11, 2022

Ricky Hoover is the singer of OV SULFUR, formerly of SUFFOKATE & Taylor Barber is the singer of LEFT TO SUFFER. We talk working with Will Ramos and LORNA SHORE, clean singing in deathcore and much more. SPONSORS: distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF! emgpickups.com Promo Code: Heavy 15% OFF!

What's going on man? Good to see ya Whoo! Corn is the shit, I feel like a lot of people are like, they think it's gringy or some shit, and I'd like to like corn and let-nice get and shit, and I'm like, geez, what are you, grow up? Ricky Hoover, yeah, of Salford, and we have Taylor Barber from Lebt to Suffer.

Yeah, sir. Appreciate guys being here, man. Hell yes. Thank you for having. Yeah, dude, I'm pumped. It was, like, we literally did everything we could to make it, like, it was nuts. That's so sick, dude. It's fucking cool, man.

It's a really cool, like, camaraderie kind of, like, feeling situation, dude. Yeah. I love that shit, dude. When I came to play the Memorial Show, I sat in my car for about 15 minutes before I came in. You serious? Yes. I had to get my composure because I was freaking the fuck out. This episode is brought to you by EMG Pickups.

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So there is an ongoing joke that like I scheduled you to be on the podcast every week until it was going to happen. Yep. Yep. It's everything is like for some reason every time I've like something has happened and we haven't been able to do it. Yeah. Or like our van broke down once or we had a scheduling miss.

or I couldn't get down. It was just crazy. It's always been something. It's funny. So nuts. It's great that the way it's happening now is you guys are playing Chim Reaction, which is like a legendary venue around here. And it's funny because you were going to play Chim Reaction the last time we were supposed to do it.

And you guys went through so much shit, dude. And I felt terrible. It was like we literally did everything we could to make it. Like it was nuts. Like every problem that we would solve with like our van issue, then we would be like, okay, well, we'll rent this or we would do this. Then we had another issue and another issue and another issue. And we're just like, we literally, we hit up a drummer.

We hit up a bunch of drummers because our drummer wasn't able to make it. He had family issues, the guy that was drumming with us at that time, which was totally understandable. You know, it was pretty serious stuff. So we hit up a bunch of drummers and like, Sean from Carnifax was going to do it for us because we had just done to run with them. I fucking love Sean. And he was like, yeah, I'll get it. We said him the songs and he's like, dude, I don't know if I can get these in a day and a half. There's just, there's just, like, I think he's a very talented drummer.

I think he could have done it, but, like, he didn't want it to be anything less than perfect. Yeah. So I was like, dude, I understand. I mean, you're going to learn this many songs, like, that are pretty intricate fill-wise and groove-wise. I totally understand, bro. I'm stoked you even wanted to do it and considered it. So at that point, bro, we literally, we were like, well, we could just play with backing tracks and no drummer, and we're like, we're not going to do that. We're not going to do that.

That's a scary. It's a scary thing to think about. To even attempt doing that. I like pondered it and I was like, do I really want, I don't know if I want to do that. That's a thing that's going to follow us. I mean, I'm sure the people who were into it would have been stoked because we were there playing. For sure. I feel like it would have been a rip off to them.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Drums just make the experience, man. Especially for metal. Metal, it just makes everything hit, dude. Drums are like that one of the most primal instruments. Yeah. Especially when you're talking like a metal band.

It's like, it's like, it's like. it's like damn dude yeah i feel like that's just what completes the live everything you know what i mean that's just what gets the punch to everything you know what i mean the guitar riffs are like sick but with like drums behind it just makes it drive so much harder you know you feel it yeah i think the drums like i don't know about you or you but when i listen to a band for the first time the first thing i listened to is drums oh same and then vocals yep i did the same thing i also write off the drums mainly you know what i mean like the groove because i'm very like i feel like i grew up on hip hop a lot when i was a kid yeah so it's all of the like rhythm

make patterns that I do in our like in our music or whatever like the drums or what just really sticks out to me especially the like writing and live purposes and stuff for me oh yeah dude when I was doing the guest track I remember because the click the the type the tempo changes yeah because we were trying to nail it we're like what oh like you texted me what it was and we're like oh shit okay there we go yeah it's crazy I'm so bad with I'm like the worst with timing and rhythm it's terrible because I'm I'm a singer but like I'm I'm to this I'm 37 years old and I'm still having troubles trying to do anything with a click. It's nuts.

And I'm trying to train myself now. Since we have everything, we all have in ears, like the whole setup now for Sulfur. We all have in ears. We have a whole brain system. We're cabless now. We just started. And they're like, well, you need everybody. We need click.

And I'm like, I just, I don't know if I can do it yet. I got to work up to it. It's super weird. Really? It's been like that since I was a kid. I just never been able to do it. So I listened to cues from the drums as far as like Phil. or from the guitar parts, it's strange.

It's hard to, like, retrain your brain, though, I feel like, you know what I mean? Especially, like, if you don't it for, like, so many years, just, like, kind of raw. You know what I mean? And then you, like, add, like, you have to, like, have a metronome into the mix. Maybe it's, like, kind of different, but I feel you. Dude, it's so weird. And I'm like, I want to do it because everybody's on the click. And I'm like, I want to be able to do it, too.

It'll help me if I can get it to that. Right. Like, with the last tour we did with As I Die dying, I did a guest spot with them every night. and they, dude, they set me up with a body pack and everything, which was really cool. Nice. But it had a click in the mix. Oh, shit. And I was able to do it.

So I'm like, all right, maybe if I work towards us, I can do it, you know what I mean? But the clip is really low, really low. Wow. Yeah. It's crazy. I learned that when I got older as well. Like, every person keeps time in their own way. Yeah.

Especially singers. I'm like, man, how, what are they thinking about? Dude, it's like if I, because we don't have a click right now or whatever, I'm just pretty much basing it off of the drum. and backtrack cues or whatever. So, like, I hear, like, certain, like, leads that come in or, like, an effect that will come in. And then I'm like, oh, okay, this is, like, where I'm at in the song. And then, like, now we're about to transition to any years probably right after this

little run that we're doing. We get home. Yeah. But, uh, it's very weird. Yeah, it's very weird. Like, I feel like I've had this conversation with a bunch of different vocalists, and they're always like, oh, yeah, I listen to this or, like, I listen to this. Or, like, you know what I mean?

It's, it's like, it's kind of varies throughout, like, different bands and stuff. It's kind of weird, huh? It's funny because, like, when I was younger, I wasn't really into a lot of rapper hip hop, right? And as I got older, I started to appreciate it way more. And now I, like, in my older age now, right, you know, I'm 37, like I said, I'm just so blown away by the things that these guys are able to do. Like, I've always liked it to a degree, but, like, I've never really felt the way I do about it now. Like, just the way that they're able to do stuff rhythmically and pattern-wise and their cadences and everything like that, it blows me away. I don't understand it.

Like, like, I love, like, like, fast rappers, too and, like, double time and, like, style and, like, like, like, Tech Nine or, like, yeah. He did a bunch of, like, choppers songs, West Coast Chopper, all that other stuff. And they blow me away, man. I don't understand how they do it. Or, like, whoa. Yeah. Shit, I bet you could do it. Fuck, you know.

But, uh, yeah, dude, like, I have so much respect for them now because, like, they have to be so on point with, with rhythm to do that shit. Yeah. It's nuts. I just, I don't know it. Like, it's. blows me away every time. Same with like your guys' stuff, man. You're so in the pocket with like your patterns. I'm like, how the fuck does he? I'm honestly kind of anal about patterns, dude. Like whenever we write, I'm always, I'm always just like, I want to like mix it up and do

something fun. You know what I mean? That like kind of just catches people off guard, I guess. It's like, it works. I'm proof of that. I'm like, holy shit. I appreciate that. First time I heard you guys, I was like, dude, his patterns are so fucking good. Yeah, that's fucking sick. I appreciate the fuck out of that for real. That's what stood out to me. And then obviously your fucking gnarly voice. I mean, you're, what, shut up, dude. I tell you all the time. I tell you all the time.

I'm not about to say, we do this all the time. We're always gassing each other. I'm like, dude, you're so sick. No, you're so sick. It's cool to see that now, because it wasn't really like that, like, back in a day where, like, everyone, like, supported, like, each other. Actually, gave each other compliments.

Bro, right? Right, I had that conversation with a lot of the newer generation. I remember everything was a competition. I remember everybody would be, like, cool to your face, and then talk shit about you. It happens all the time. It still goes on. Oh, I was just about to try to try to,

I was like, there's definitely still people that talk shit. I don't know about that. Unfortunately, I've experienced a little bit of it. Yeah, dude. But, you know, I'm a fucking grown-ass man now. I don't, whatever. Yeah. I support everybody in the music industry.

You're doing what you're doing, whether you like me or not. Facts. So, yeah, do you keep doing you. I don't hate on people who have success. I found that, like, a lot of times back in the day and maybe to the day, too, which you've probably seen this, when a band gets any sort of success or momentum, back in the day, especially people would hate on them and say, that's well because they do this, this, that.

I'm that type of person, even if I don't know your band. If I see you get success, I'm like, yes. It's great. The more bands rise, the more it helps other bands rise. You know what I mean? I don't know why people hate on bands for getting popular. It always made no sense to me, to be honest with you. It's just cool to see people happy doing what they want to do.

It's like a good feeling. I don't know. I'm a weirdo. Like I was driving the other day and I saw this girl walking down the street with her headphones on, just really feeling it and like just grooving. And for some reason, I just got this sense of enjoy. like fulfillment from it because I was like dude she's just happy doing her thing yeah that's so I don't know I don't know it's it sounds cheesy but it's so cool I think it's so

rad it's very yeah it is man yeah we don't yeah Taylor you actually said it like the more bands are successful I mean the whole genre as a whole gets bigger yep you know I think that's why we get along so well yeah like when we first started meeting it's just the positive vibes dude I just hate I hate people who are just like overtly negative for no reason they're just like, oh, well, this band is popping off. And it's like, let me pick them apart to like, you know what I mean? It's like, oh, my band's not as big as this band. I'm mad about it.

It's like, grow up, dude. Like, get over yourself. I've noticed that in the vocalist stuff too. It's so bad, dude. Most of the time nowadays, give or take, obviously there's exceptions, but like most of the vocalists nowadays are pumping each other up. And they're just like, dude, let's see what this guy does next or this, this is that.

I have experienced a couple guys being like, oh, that's all edited or all that guy doesn't or whatever. It's like, dude, who really cares even if it was. Yeah, bro. If it sounds cool, it sounds cool. It sounds cool. Who cares, man? If anything, progression is amazing in any form.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Especially if we move more into the digital age, bro. Like, everything's going to start becoming more edited and more, like, different sounding. It's like, you know, music went from, like, kind of, like, raw production to, like, now there's, like, synths and crazy shit going on in music. Like, you're going to have vocalists who are using effects on their vocals. Like, it's just a way of. Yeah, they have a pedal for it, dude.

Yeah, it's just the way of how music evolves, dude. Back in, like, the new metal days, when it was popping off to begin with, dude, they would do all kinds of crazy shit with all those vocal pedals. Yeah. It's fucking cool, man. Yeah, I think you watch, like, those old videos, like, Limp Biscuit, like, 99. Like, you see, like, Fred Dures had, like, a little, like, pedal board. He did.

I was like, oh, I was like, what is that? Yeah. It was always, like, those little vocal effects chains and stuff. Yeah. I thought it was always really cool, man. I just, I don't know. People who complain about stuff not being raw is weird. Exactly.

it's like the closer you can get it to the album sounding and obviously on the album there's going to be cool effects like otherwise music is boring why do you go to a producer seriously we all we all need help man yeah dude like I know so we're recording our new we're writing recording our new album right now

and the producer we're working with Morgoth right Morgoth he shout out shout out yeah yeah I fucking love him but he has all these cool and interesting ideas and some of them I'm fucking really about and it's something off the wall some stuff I'm like

I got to hear it couple times, you know what I mean? Yeah. But it's just a new take on things and I'm like, this is kind of cool. It's like I want to mix everything into music. I don't know about you guys, but you guys get hate for. Oh, yeah, bro, for sure.

What the shit is up with that, dude? As soon as I started incorporating like some cleans into our music, there was, I mean, it's not like resounding or anything, but it's like there's definitely like the niche of like super pure slam kids that really like this that are just like, what the hell are you doing right now? Why are you singing melody? on this sweet rhythm, dude, get over yourself, man. I'm sorry, I can't make you happy, bro.

Just kids who are just neckbeards who sit in basement. And they're just like on the fucking computer all the time. Like, I hate this because they're sick. That's like my favorite term nowadays. Every time I hear neck beard, I lose my shit. The herb energy, bro. And be not done. That's actually something that your bands both have in common,

which I love is you're bringing something new to the genre, which you're both incorporating clean singing. Thank you. Into the genre, which I think it's fucking sick. Yeah. Both the bands are doing it. How did that come about? Did it come out naturally?

Was there like a conversation about it? So with us, per se, there was no really like real line in the sand. It was just kind of, we're a very free-flowing band. Like, we just kind of like whatever ends up being written in the session just gets written. And if it's melodic and it sounds cool with singing on it, then, you know, I'll sing on it. You know what I mean? Because I have like a little pop side project and I sing by myself anyway. So it's whatever.

Fernbooth. I wasn't even going to name drop it. Name drop it. It's good. I love it. I love it. But yeah. You need to do more stuff.

Yeah. So like I like I enjoy singing because I did choir for so many years. You know what I mean? So like my my bass route with doing like vocals or anything in general was singing. So I taught myself how to scream after I already knew how to use my voice fully like with like just regular singing and stuff. So it just kind of comes a little bit more. natural whenever we're doing music and stuff together. Wow.

I love it. Ricky? I tell them all the time I wanted to do more singing. Don't worry. We got it. I worry, brother. We literally just wrote like some crazy radio stuff with Howard Benson and Neil from Three Days Grace. Yes.

Like Nuneu, like not on the EP that came out last Friday. We literally, so, yeah, no. The one that just came out today. Yeah. The EP that dropped today was like stuff that we like self, kind of self-produced. And then we sent off to Josh Travis, and he did all of the mixing and everything on it. Cool. And that's why we're in California right now is we just recorded three songs with Howard Benson and Neil Sanderson from Three Days Grace.

And then we also just did like an eight-song EP with Matt Thomas, who did the Darko and Spite stuff. And so we've just been out here recording, and then we do these little shows after we were done with all of that. So we're pretty much done with a whole entire next thing. Wow. So you just dropped something, and you already have a number. next drop ready. Yep, and we already have studio time booked for the end of the year for the following one. Amazing. We write every time. Do we all live right next to each other? So we meet up like once twice, sometimes three times a week and we write and we write and we practice and we hang out.

And it's like we're just, like, my band is literally like my best friends. So like we're just chilling and vibe and writing music all the time. Dude, that's sick. I can't, I can't want to hear hear it hear it hear it. Yeah, it's great. And that, that song wide open. I love that chorus, dude. Thank you. I was like, oh, kid, finally something new. I really appreciate that. It's funny, because I say this all the time, and I mean it, right? Like, when we did this project, it was because COVID, and I couldn't work because barbers.

I'm a barber. Barbers in Las Vegas and pretty much everywhere we're deemed non-essential, so we weren't able to work. And I'm an artistic, I guess, you would, you know, the term or whatever. I'm an artistic guy. So I like to create, whether it's hair, whether it's, you know, whatever, music. So I was going crazy I was hitting the gym twice a day I was just yeah I was going nuts

Because I had no creative outlet Right so I was just breaking my body down In the gym and Kind of not the right way You know what I mean I was doing too much damage to myself From just lifting gnarly So I posted a thing on Instagram

And And I wanted to do I wanted to do a tech death band originally Like arch spire status Oh my goodness And then I realized yo I cannot do this I cannot do this

I can even write patterns yeah exactly exactly this is accurate as hell yeah so a friend of mine in Las Vegas she saw my post and she's like

well I got this friend Chase who writes you know he plays a music and I think you guys would vibe really well you're pretty similar and stuff like that and I looked at Chase's page

and he was playing some really groovy stuff and I was like yeah he's pretty good you know he's pretty good I don't know and then I saw and I played more attention the guitar he had is this sparkly green and step carpenter nice beautiful guitar and i was like yo this is my

dude so i hit him up we started making music together and and and at first like we were trying to figure out the sound we wanted to play you know play and what we wanted to incorporate and i kind of told him i was like dude i i you know my old band was you know and no shame on my old band obviously because you know that that band and those guys helped me achieve things beyond my wildest dreams wildest dreams i never i gave up music before I joined that band for a year. I completely quit everything. And then I found them on a whim through MySpace. Damn.

I went and tried out for, I tried out at four in the morning. I drove eight hours, got there at four in the morning and tried out. Right then. Get there, try out. Yeah. And I bombed it. I bombed the audition. But, so, but that band was very much in its own lane.

It didn't stray too much until the second record that I did, which is me and Taylor writing that record. Yeah. It was just us too, right? and we went more melodic. Like a lot of people that have recently talked to me about the second record I did with them, they're like,

yo, that record was just like the next level of evolution for you guys. It was so like, you had so much melody to the songs and you had so much like, you know what I mean? And obviously all the songs were written about killing myself because I was super suicidal at that point. So a lot of people, like a lot of people related to it, which they're telling me now, and I'm seeing people who like,

this one girl hugged me at a show for, 10 minutes and cried in my arms because I saved her life apparently, which is the weirdest feeling, but amazing at the same time. That's heavy. Yeah, it's really heavy. And then, so I was telling Chase, I was like, I want to be heavy. I love heavy music. We need to be crushingly heavy because my voice is kind of designed for heavy because I made

it like that through learning how to do what I do, right? But I also want to incorporate some metal core. I want some good melody. I want some good driving, like, stuff, you know? And I also want to incorporate, you know, some, some fun, fun memorable choruses. I love pop structure. Pop structure is pop structure. It speaks to you for sure.

It's designed, you know, repeating the chorus at the end that many times makes it stick in your head. It's like they proved it. You know what I mean? It's like proven, right? So I was like, we got to do pop structure. And he's like, that's what I write. So we're all good. So we just started doing stuff and trial and error.

you know and stuff like that and uh i was like yo dude let's let's let's not have any limitations you want to do a singing part right here you want to do this part right here you want to have like you want to experiment and have some some this sounds or this sounds that's the way let's do it man i don't want any rules i mean my biggest thing though that i always i always maintain with the guys is like it needs to have heavy though it's got to be happy for sure we are in the genre of yeah that's our still need the slap dude you have to Dude, you have to be very heavy, specifically what I've noticed in this genre, and even other genres. Everything is progressively getting heavier.

Oh, for sure. Like, you can have heavy parts and soft songs now. And like, like, remember back in the day, like Breaking Benjamin? Mm-hmm. Right? Breaking Benjamin was the heaviest band ever when I heard them. I also remember thinking that when I found them, yeah. I was like, damn, this band rips.

And they were radio rock. Yeah. But they had like the heaviest parts. Yeah. Some of their riffs were just fucking balls, dude. Dude. Oh. Yeah.

And like, you know, I'm all for mixing new elements into this as long as you don't forget the core of it. Yeah. Right? You know, you still got to have a little bit of the core. Yeah. I love the fact that some songs are putting out tracks on their albums that are not heavy at all. They're giving it diversity. You know what I mean?

It's cool. You know. I'm very much in that vein. I like experimenting with it. I think that's why I like them so much as well as a lot of these other bands that are doing it. That's why I like up sulfur so much too.

Stop it, brother. Thank you, thank you. Stop being so positive. I hate it. Yeah, honestly, actually fuck up sulfur. Taylor's a dick. We need some negative here. We need some fucking bullshit.

Dude, your guys, man, I saw you guys live at Chaos and Carnage. Bro. Dead ass me too in Atlanta. Wow, dude. Right up. And then, you know, the new fucking song, fuck.

I remember I was talking to Mark when you guys put out your last album. Oh, yeah. I love that album. I thought that album was fantastic. Yeah. It was great. And then the new song is fucking even better.

It's fucking crazy. It's like. There's definitely God tier in my opinion, bro. I've been a fan of you all forever, dude. Appreciate that, man. That's crazy. It is wild. Yeah.

Yeah. Especially whatever you, like, we like set this up or whatever. I like told them because like we're all like fancy or whatever. And we were like, I was like, bro, we get to do this shit. It was just so cool. I'm only 24, so, like, all this shit's, like, real new to me, you know what I mean? So everything, I'm still kind of like a fan girl whenever it comes to some certain things.

Yeah. It's all just like that little, like... Feel old. Yeah, I still have, like, the light in my eyes, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know, the, like, cool shit. You're not jaded it's yet, like, like, Bricky and Meade. You're, like, you're fucking having a time, you know.

I also have a few more years. I got a few more years to catch up, yeah. It's funny. I was having a conversation with my guitar player last night on the drive, you know. And I'm one of those guys who's just overtly negative and I try so hard not to be, but it's just been me since I was a little kid. Yeah. So it's like I got these little glimpses of positivity.

I'm like really trying to focus on them. And like, but like I got, we were on this last tour and I had all these and we were on tour with these rad bands, right? And it hit me on one of them and I'm like, they said the band name of sulfur. Like I was backstage and what did you guys think of, Phil from Whitechapel? What did you guys think of sulfur? And like, I've been a fan of Whitechapel since the inception of Whitecham. I remember them from MySpace when they were different. And Phil's always been really cool and nice.

And he paid me like the biggest compliment. He said he started listening to Suffocate when I joined. I was like, holy shit. I used to warm up to semantic defilement every day. You know? But he's on stage and he's like, what did you guys think of of sulfur? And it just hit me. I was like, this is insane.

Like I came up with, I picked that name out of the air in my living room a little over a year ago. Really? Yes. That's cool. And, boom, these people who I've respected for years, years I've looked up to or saying our name. Yeah. It just, it's weird and it sounds cheesy, but it like took me, it took me by surprise,

even though. Gives you a little bit of butterflies, dude. Dude, yes, yes. So Eddie did it. Well, that's in Atlanta or whatever. He, like, shouted us out in Atlanta. I looked at, I looked at our guitar player because he was standing next to me and Loki started welling up, dude.

I was like, holy crap, dude. Wow. It's like so many people. Because like even Eddie, bro, I've looked up to him since he was also a parent, you know what I mean? Obviously. And so it's just like, I was just like sitting there for a minute. Like, what the fuck, dude? Like, this is so crazy.

Eddie is a lot of respect, dude. Yeah, he is. I mean, it's just a lot of like respect going on. Like band's like, you know, as soon as I sounds look at, we hear a band like of sulfur. Like we hear the name. So we check it out and we listen to you guys. Now I'm listening to, uh, left, like, left to supper now. It's just like, so we listen to you guys now.

And we like have a respect for you guys coming out now. And now we're respecting each other coming up. It's so sick. It's fucking cool, man. It's a really cool, like, camaraderie kind of, like, feeling situation, dude. Yeah. I love that shit, dude. That was one of the coolest things coming back into metal.

It was so welcoming. I was so un-y, I was not, like, I remember talking to him just being like, dude, this is, I talked to him all the time about, actually. Yeah. I'm insane. We've got this conversation so much. This is crazy to me, because I'm so not used to this. Everybody, everybody is so just like, yo, we're happy you're back in it.

For real, man. I didn't think anybody, you know, and some people don't believe me when I say this, but it's true. I don't think anybody, like, I didn't think anybody was going to care just because I was so used to it back in the day. You know, I thought maybe a couple of people were like, all right, cool. And I was like, yeah, we'll play some local shows. It'll be fun. And then I posted it online and it blew the fuck up. And I'm just like, I'm still, I'm still amazed and blown away that people care. Because like back in the day, like, we did fun stuff. We did cool stuff, right? But I was always looking to bands like you guys and these other bands that were at the higher echelon of what I was trying to do being like, yo, we got to do

that we got to do that we got to do this and now finally i'm able to take a seat back and be like yo dude we we we headlined in russia like we we played europe with heaven shall burn like wow it's crazy and and and it just trips me out you know what i mean and and back in the day though people hated on you if you got any kind of like we were saying earlier and coming into this welcoming environment of all these bands i look up to like you guys and and shadow of intent and lorna and and all these bands that was really into, you know, just being super cool and nice. It's weird. It's awesome, but it's weird, you know?

Yeah. I remember the first, like, you know, like, I don't know, like two months of us talking or whatever. I was just like, yo, dude, I've been a fan of years for so long, just talking to Ricky about how much I fucked with him so hard. Wow. It was kind of embarrassing. I, like, look back sometimes, like, scrolled back, like forever ago, and I was like, God, I was such a little fan boy in his DMs when we first started talking to you. It was so bad, but. Yeah, yeah.

Like, yeah, even when I started to show. respect. When I started talking to you, when I came to play the Memorial show, I sat in my car for about 15 minutes before I came in. You serious? Yes. I had to get my composure because I was freaking the fuck

out. Yeah, how was it for you doing the show for Mitch? Well, I wasn't like, I knew Mitch. We talked online a little bit. I respected, that guy like I shaped me. Like, I get a little emotional about it. because the reason I wanted to sound the way I wanted to sound was because of Mitch.

His lyrics spoke to me, right? Sorry. And, like, him and I became just, like, online talking every once in a while. And then, like, I got the hit up. I got the email about doing the show, and I, at first I was so nervous and scared that I wasn't going to do it. Whoa. Because I was, like, I was, like, scared of fucking it up because I feel like that would just be, like. It's a lot of pressure, bro, imagine.

It was just, I didn't want to be disrespectful to his memory, and I didn't want to, I didn't want to be disrespectful to something that, that, that heavily, like, you guys heavily influenced me, man. Like, it, it, it, it, you were the number one band for me for a long time. Whoa. A long time. You know what I mean? Like, I listened to you guys so much that I had to buy new CDs. Whoa. Like, it was crazy. I listened to you and my CD player so much in my car that the CD didn't really, You know when you just every day all day long, you listen to it. So when you guys asked me to do it, I was just like, fuck, I talked to my friend James,

who was at Barber College at the time, and I'm like, dude, I don't know. And he's like, are you fucking kidding me? You need to do this. You need to do this. I'm like, yeah, dude, but it's like, what if I bomb it? And I just like, just shit on his memory because of doing that. And he's like, you're not going to do that. He's like, I know you.

You're not going to do that. So when you guys asked me to do it, it took me a minute. minute and I wrote back and then the first practice I was just like okay breathe and then I did it and you know it was crazy and on stage it was a very weird weird um kind of like emotion I was happy to do it and I was also sad yeah you know what I mean because I would have rather been on stage with him and you guys doing it like that I was always really sad because we never got to tour together because you guys did stuff with suffocate before I was in the band that's true and I was always hoping I would tell my guys Taylor and everybody I was like dude I hope we get to do some stuff with him

because like I look up to that guy and those guys so much and then you and I talked and I was just like holy shit like I love what he writes this is fucking crazy like you know what I mean like dude I remember like fucking swarm and like uh uh a green monster I was a yeah I was all about that shit back in the day bro wow I put your shit on my space remember that oh yeah yeah yeah when you put you're like play We hit the actual home page that plays a song. Yep, yep. I had, I think I had, every time you guys would put a new song out, I had them on my page.

Oh, fucking crazy. Because remember you could do multiples? Yeah. And the funny thing is like, I had all these friends who were like elitist who listened to like whatever music and they're like, you like that band. And I was like, fuck yeah, I like this band, fuck you. And like, you know, because they were like into this, they were more into like the hardcore punk stuff or whatever. Yeah.

And I fucking like, in essence bled for my love for you guys. with them. You know what I mean? So doing that show just blew me the fuck away. I still get goosebumps about it. Like I was shaking when I got off a stage. I was shaking before and after actually. And I went off and I gave, I gave someone a hug. I forget who. And it was just like, it all hit me and I'm just like, I can't believe this. This is crazy. So it was really weird. It was happy and sad. I wish it would have been under better different terms. And I wish I got to talk to that dude more. Because we talked on Instagram and I was supposed to go to his birthday party. We're supposed to go riding together. All that stuff. Oh, my.

Yeah, dude, we talked about it. And my motorcycle wasn't working at the time because I was wrenching on it. We were supposed to go to rides. We talked about all the time. So it was very unfortunate. You know what I mean? I wish I got to be closer with him

because I probably would have fangirled, like, crazy over him, though, and told him way too much stuff. You know? I think I'm done hanging out where we're freaking. Yo, guys, I don't know about this guy, man. He's, like, professing his love for me. What the fuck? You know?

Yeah. But, yeah. It was a fun experience. I'm really honored that I got to do it. And like I was telling you earlier, I still have the shirt. I put it on a vest Has blood and tears and sweat on it

Because I think I cut myself during that set I forget exactly how my lip or something And then I have another shirt As well that's like I'm gonna probably like hang up and frame and shit Wow It was pretty cool Yeah it was very like a emotional Obviously for obvious reasons

But like back then Like you and Mitch had a similar look Now you now you're you But like you like walked in like our kitchen And my mom sees you That's right oh my God I was like, oh my goodness, it was too real. I remember that.

And she grabbed me and hugged me and I knew nothing else than just to hug her back. And I hugged her tight because I knew it. You know what I mean? And I think she hugged me for like 10 minutes or some amount of time. And you came in and you're like, okay, okay. And I'm like, I'm sorry. And you're like, no, no, no. But yeah, dude, Mitch influenced the way I looked, man.

He influenced the way I looked. I'll say it right here and now. Stretch my ears. I had the fog for a while. I had the shaved head for a while. A lot of it was because of Mitch. Crazy. It's crazy, dude.

So fucking crazy, man. He's definitely one of the most influential vocalists ever. So, I mean, that's, that dude has sent shockwaves through this entire community still to this day, bro. It's crazy. Yeah. His wake is very vast. Dude. Yeah, I think he brought vulnerability to the genre.

Yeah. You know, you could sound that way, but you could put, like, you could write lyrics. Yeah. For sure. It's not about which he had. like jokes about it like you know i'm not gonna write about surgery you know fucking blood and like all like this stuff he like you wrote feelings down like maybe now

it's pretty common but back then man it was that was him dude oh yeah yeah he was the first vocalist i ever like you know whenever you're younger and you like start trying to like get into metal and you like kind of like idolize one person or whatever he was like the first person that was like for me whenever i started listening to music and my brother showed me i don't even remember one like it was the

you only live once video or whatever and i was just like yo what the fuck dude this band is so good And then I just like got so sucked into it after that. It was crazy. Wow. Yeah. It's crazy like the music sounds like that then and to finally hear bands like left to suffer of sulfur like finally like someone's like bringing something new to the table like,

you know, like singing and melody because a band's like us. I mean we have our sound so we can't necessarily do that. I mean, y'all created, I feel like it might have you all created the like a lot like. like created like deathcore like kind of esk like the way the genre is kind of now in a way or like spearheaded it a little bit you know what I mean with just like those like I'm not like you know not like fully you know what I mean but like y'all definitely like influenced and like spearhead of the entire genre as a whole I feel like for sure the breakdowns first time I heard you guys breakdowns I was speechless I was like oh shit it's breathtaking for sure the first time you hear

dude still to this day you hear me like dude still holds up the cool thing about Mitch's lyrics and his patterns and stuff like that, right? Is in essence, when you break them down with cadences and everything like that, they're very simplistic, right? Yeah. But I wouldn't want them any other way and I don't think it would work any other way. It's because they're earworms. They like, you hear it and you're just immediately like, dude, I can say that. Earworms.

I can say it again. I can say it again over and over and over and over. Earworms. He said a fucking magical word. That is so true. Earworms, dude, they are. Everything he wrote like, dude, was just like you could hear it once and then you'll remember. at least one or two fucking lines from from the song I remember I still remember

lyrics to the swarm the swarm at rapes and tricks like that fucking spoke to me it was so true you know what I mean like yeah I still remember that dude yeah I listen to that I went on a trip down memory lane and found you guys's old CD I had oh wow yeah that's so sick you know and it's crazy how our genre this is it's our genre now like the death corps is having like this which I couldn't I don't know. We didn't know what's going to happen. Now there's like a second wave coming up.

And it's so fucking cool to see it happen. Dude. And now we're very suicide silence is so fucking lucky to be a part of it. Because now I mean, you were at like that that showed in Atlanta. Like it was sold out. Backed, bro. I was like this, that will not, that's not possible unless the bands that were playing with us. You have like signs of the swarm.

Lorna. Yeah. These bands are all coming up. Like this is a second wave. Angel maker, bro. Angel maker. The guy that are crushed and are bringing something new.

Like, damn, this is fucking crazy to see where the genre has gone and is going. Yeah, it's insane, dude. Like, I literally just did like a little interview with alternative press or whatever, like a couple months ago

that was like they were just asking me about like what it's like to be on like the new band wave of like the second resurgent, like the new resurgence of death core and stuff. And it was just like, I just thought it was so cool

that I was just like, oh wow, like there is like such a like, I feel you get wrapped up in it and you're just like release it music and like writing music becomes kind of normalized and then you realize that like oh wow there's like a lot more people listening to deathcore now out of nowhere and then it was like i feel like it came out of nowhere kind of at least to me i was just like i was like oh shit there's like a fuck ton of people listening to deathcore now this is wild the spotify numbers blow me away yeah

the fact that any band that's heavy is getting millions it's it's racking bro remember back in the day dude like like what was it uh it was like last f a i'm No, or hardcore MP3. I forget all these different, like, websites where you would have to find, you would have to use those to find heavy music. MP3.com. There you go. That was, that, that's my OG site.

Dude, and now it's like charting. Bands are charting and they're playing this non-the-music. On Billboard, bro. Dude, it's like, bring me the horizon, row. Like, a lot of people that are the core, elitist, whatever, don't like the progression of that band. Fuck that. That band is awesome. They're amazing.

That band is awesome. They came out with that one album that they got number one on Billboard. Which one? Simpaternal? No, no. That's the spirit? That's the spirit. It was number one.

They were number one. Dude, I went to that album release tour and it sold out two days in a row at the Tabernacle in Atlanta. And I was just like, wow, this band is massive, bro. And I love, I don't think that band has put anything bad out. I don't. I love it at all. I I the progression is amazing like yeah you know what I mean like it's so cool and even though they're they're doing a different sound like architects is kind of doing or architects yeah dude and and that still highlights our specific sound in genre right it's heavy it's heavy and it draws and them doing that people are going to search back into their catalog and hear yes you know here pray for plagues or what and the trickle effect yes and it's going to trickle down and they're going to see these other bands and be like oh shit this is awesome And I know, I know I'm probably, Taylor probably agrees with me on this, but like the fact that you're telling telling us that like we're bringing something new to the genre is like the biggest compliment ever.

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. It just blew me away when you just said that. Like, right? If you roll back the video, all of our faces are probably like... I look, I look, I looked at the table and I was like, holy shit. Fuck you guys. Right? It's crazy.

You guys suck, dude. I want you guys to fail so I can cry. No, it's okay, dude. I'm just gonna be this guy for the rest of the interview. for the rest of the interview now. I'm just gonna do this for the rest of the other. That's like that 2008-2009 mentality, bro. I'm pulling up my ATL swag.

It's crazy, dude. I turned my back on the genre for that reason specifically. Because it's the cool guy movement? Same, dude. Because of the cool guy movement, I was like, fuck this. I left music completely.

I didn't listen to any metal for a long time. I found other genres, which I'm actually happy I did because now that helps me. But like, I was like, fuck this. I was upset. I was angry.

I was suicidal. I was violent. I was, you know, And to see the genre so family oriented as far as bands, it's so cool. It's so cool. It's great. Yeah, the scene right now, I think, is just, like, so, like, I guess, like, together, kind of, you know what I mean? Yeah.

I mean, excluding there's obviously going to be some outliers of people just being an asshole or whatever. There is. Because it's just the way it is, you know what I mean? Whatever. Yeah. But I feel like mostly, I mean, at least in my opinion, like, everyone's just kind of, like, super stoked for everybody. You know what I mean? They're just like, dude, we're all fucking succeeding right now, and it's cool as shit.

And I think we kind of. We kind of owe, I think we owe the, this new second wave, if you will, or third wave, whatever, of Death Corps rising. We owe it to guys like Suicide Silence. And we owe it to these other bands that, because I felt like Death Corps dipped for a minute. And I think that the guys who kept doing it, right, who kept it alive, essentially. Definitely during that, like, gent wave where everybody was just doing architect rip-off bands for, like, five years. Yeah. Yeah, 100%.

Which I'm now discovering looking back Because at that time I wasn't listening to it at all, right? Dude, it was so bad. It was like when I was, like, it's too heavy And it's just like, I don't even there the whole time. And I think it's guys like you guys And a few others that kind of kept this alive. And I know back in the day, even when I was in Suffocate, bro,

you say death core to any metal guy and they're like, fuck. Yeah, it's got. Yeah. Ugh. Terrible. And now it's like, no, man, death core is a... No, man, death core is a... It's so weird. Very powerful.

I mean, dude. I'm not used to it yet. But it is strange. It's like the new metal revival. I got like, I mean, it's just like, you get made fun of her listening to corn and Limp Biscuit and stuff. And then like now it's like, oh yeah, the corn and Lidiscuit are cool for like some most like more people.

You know what I mean? And it's just weird as shit. It's because I was a lot. So I was born in 85. Yeah. So I was listening to that stuff. I was, my best friend love Limp Biscuit. I was more like corn.

I liked corn a lot more. And I liked like System of the Down was my shit. Nice. But, um, but we would listen to Limpiscuit, too. I just was not like a huge fan. You know what I mean? I liked West Borland, though. But, um...

Of course. I mean, yeah, obviously. Obviously. Um, but I, I liked a few of the... I liked the really hard limb biscuit stuff, I think is what it was. First record, second record. Yes. Yeah.

So, um, um, my buddy was into everything they did. But, uh, but, like, um, I think it's really cool that like, these newer, younger generations, and this happens with everything. Everything repeats, right? Yeah. I love these fucking bands again. And, like, I think Lipisket just toured, and it was nuts. Yeah.

That's so cool. Yeah. Like, that's so fucking cool. And, like, uh, pop a roach. Papa Roach is fucking huge again. Yeah. They're blowing up. They're fucking huge.

They popped on TikTok, too, which is crazy. Yeah. Dude, with that Jaris Johnson dude? Yeah, dude. That guy's so wild. Are you familiar with the Jarst Johnson? Oh, yeah, dude. Holy shit.

Yeah. That guy's awesome. Yeah. Really? Yeah, he does, like, remixes of, like, these old. older songs. Like, he did this remix of Scars or whatever by Papa Roach or whatever. And Last Resort, too.

And Last Resort, oh, yeah, that's what I meant to do. Yeah, last resort. Scars is a great song. Yeah. Love that song. But it was, he did, like, this Last Resort cover, and then, like, it, like, blew up. And he did, like, this weird little, like, I guess, like, re-redition of it or whatever. And then he went on tour with him, like, right after that.

And they recorded and shot a video together. Yeah. And, like, so good. And they put it out, like, as, like, a full-blown, like, Papa Roach feature, but it's just, like, a remix. And now they're on, now they're touring, they have a tour coming up with falling in reverse and a couple of their bands. And that tour is nuts, dude.

Yeah, that tour is fast. I think it's already sold out in most places. Yeah. I didn't even started yet. It's fucking crazy. It's playing the amphitheater here down, down the street. The amphitheater, Jesus, man. So wild.

But yeah, it's really cool. And I think this happens for every generation, like, when they see younger guys getting into the music they remember. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, like, I've never gotten to see system of a downplay, but they did just do some shows. Wow. I saw footage and they were fucking ridiculous. I'm like, that's so fucking cool.

They all still kill it? I saw, yeah, corn system in a stadium here like a few months ago. Oh, yeah, it was two nights. So, yeah. Of course it was. Of course it was. Dude,

it was a stadium. It was an arena. It was a stadium. And you guys got to tour with corn. Didn't you tour with corn? Oh, yeah, they're fucking crazy, man. Holy shit. I'm so fucking jealous, dude.

That's so crazy. Could you imagine Jonathan Davis being like, yo, what's up? I'd be like, uh, oh yeah. I would probably shit myself, dude, Like legit. I'd be like, I did.

Hello, sir. I did. I legit shit myself. Good day, dude. Hello, sir. You were influential in every part of my life. Dude, straight up.

Unfortunately, I learned a heart which when you guys are doing, I think, way better. You just got to be that guy because me, my,

I took me years to figure this out, but I spent so much time, okay, I don't want to be that guy. Yeah. But by not, by trying so hard not not to be that guy,

you become that guy. And your energy is off. You're like, oh, like, But man, I should have split to all their face I fucking love you. You guys started SS. You started that core.

Yeah, I mean, like, she just told him. Straight up. I fucking tried so hard now to a fucking fan boy and it ruined it. Yeah, dude. So then now if I see him, I'll do it. What's up, dude? It's cool. What I've noticed is, too, is like, like, when I was in Suffocate for the first

few tours, I didn't talk to anybody. I was that guy in the corner who was just by myself all the time. Yeah. And I remember Frank from this band The World We knew came up to me, like, the last last week or so of tour and was like talking to me and Stephanie's like honestly bro like I didn't say anything to you because I thought if I even talk to you you were going to rip my throat like just because you were always yeah and he was like you always looked like you were just fucking you didn't want to be anywhere around anybody yeah I was like I was just nervous as fuck

like to talk to anybody because I was like having wow moments and the anxiety and it's like for me doing that I should have just been like oh bro what's up and like that's me now and that's like guys now I don't think that's where I'm at like I have anxiety but like My anxiety turns into me just, like, doing, like, weird, like, word vomit. You know what I mean? I'll be like, like, I can't stop now. And now I'm sweating and I feel like I'm embarrassed. Do you know what I mean?

Like, that's just like, that's where my anxiety comes from. I wish that I had that anxiety where I could just, like, not want to talk about you. I don't have it anymore. I had too much bubbly anxiety. It's like, you were saying earlier. You look back over the messages. I look back over the things I've said. And I'm like, oh, my goodness.

Fuck. Oh, dude. Like, why did I say that to these people? They're gonna think I'm a fucking weirdo man what the fuck but it's like oh well whatever it is what it is dude yeah exactly Because I feel like you overthink it like what you're saying really isn't that bad you know what I mean like you just think that it's bad because you have so much fun of anxiety Yeah, that's the hell yeah true yeah sucks yeah like like like driving and like in like your car I'm like you like deep back of like those text you're like no Yeah, I'll get home You're so stupid I'll get home from tour and I'm like laying it back

And I'm like, why did I say that? Yeah, dude. Shit. I'm not going to message them now and be like, yo, I'm sorry I said that. Like, no. And you just look even more weird. You know what I mean? You're like, I'm trying to fix my mistakes.

I'm trying to fix it. Now I'm just even we're just even weirder. This sucks. Like this show coming up, these two show coming up, we're playing with, why am my brain farting now? It's a band I always. I declare war. I declare war. Yeah.

I never met anybody in I declare war. And I'm fanboying. I literally, when they confirmed for. direct support for us. I low-key was like what the fuck is going on right now, dude. Dude. So wild. Dude, I just remember Take a fucking car car.

Dude, I was always so about that Jamie, Jamie, Jamie's voice. Such a boss. I'm just like, I'm like, holy shit, dude, I I'm gonna get to play with these guys. And I'm gonna get to watch them. And I'm gonna get my mind just blown apart. Dude, the opener mouth for war is

fucking wild live, too. I check them out too. We toured with them with body snatcher and boundaries. And they are so good. I love Body Snatch. So good. Fucking love. The tour was so fun. Our B Snatchers.

Body Snatcher. But I love the guys in Body Snatcher. I love all the Body Snatchers. So they're all body snatchers. Yeah, let's just call it body snatchers. The multiple body snatchers. Yes. Yes.

Yeah. What's it been like for you guys being like newer bands coming up in this kind of era and a year? Because I don't know what that's like. How do you break out being like newer bands? I genuinely, I kind of like, attribute like kind of like a lot of our success to just like us grinding super hard like it's all about just like keeping your head down and like doing what you got to do and also our team is just dope you know what I mean like we have a sick manager who like helps us out with everything and it's

just like you just kind of like have to like be yourself and not like try to force what you're writing as well you know what I mean because a lot of people are like I've realized all the a lot of these bands are like trying to like force themselves into a square peg when they're a circle you know what I mean, where they're just like, they're like, I'm trying to sound like this band. You know what I mean? And like, that's never going to get you anywhere. You know, that's like you have to just kind of like, like I said, like we just freeform right. Like whatever happens happens. And I feel like that's what like, I'm pretty sure that's what he said too. There's no, there's no limitation. So once you set the limitation on yourself, you're not going to, there's like, there's no room to grow.

You know? If you're just like consecutively putting different things out and trying new different things, people are going to be more inclined to being like, oh, this is sick or whatever. So I feel like that's just really what it boils down to. You have to just kind of like be yourself and write whatever the fuck you want, you know. It's cool. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, I think the people you have around you, like he said, is huge. Like the team, you know, like, you know, we've had a couple member changes and stuff.

But, like, you know, I think the people that we've had has given us the best sound that we could have. You know what I mean? I remember we put the first song out. and we got so much hate for like any kind of singing catchy choruses, but I was like, did, I want that hate. Like, I want it because it's going to make us stand out. It's going to make us stand out. Granted, you know, I don't think we're reinventing the wheel.

I don't think we're doing anything groundbreaking or whatever, which I don't even have that in my sight. I'm just trying to have fun. Right. And what I've learned, and like I said, I loved my time and suffocate, even though it was very toxic at the end. But we had a very, like, stay in your lane formula.

He has to do this and has to do that. And even the second record, like I said, we experimented a little bit more, but it was still, you have to do this. You have the constraints. Yeah. And, and, and, you know,

I'm like, I'm kind of amazed that people are surprised I wanted to do a band that had something different. Why wouldn't you want to do a band that had other elements? Like, oh, it was good until the, the, the clean singing. I'm like, shut up, man. But I also think, like, like, that's my favorite part. Yeah, like, I honestly like our clean singing.

Better than any of my parts. I like the clean singing better than my parts. 100%. I'm always like, yo, Chase, and before it was our bass player and Chase's voice together. But I'm always like, yo, like, I like those are memorable more than my parts. Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm not writing, I'm not writing these fucking, you know, these like, wow, blow your mind parts. I like what I write, but I don't think it's, you know, changing.

anything and I'm fine with that right I just like writing what I like writing but I think the singing parts are in our stuff is way more memorable than my parts completely dude like the like the wide open bro like the new song the chorus of that is way more fucking catchy than anything I do on that and I love that because like you know it takes a lot of the pressure off of me it's like yo chase you sing your parts are sick but thank you whatever it's been well dude I mean all the new this is thing man i came back to this and i started listening to these bands like you guys and slaughter and and and um a uh a shadow of intent holy shit yeah ben's crazy bro i was so happy they were the nicest people ever on tour i was so stoked on that i was scared because i didn't know wise men

fucking beans. They're all so fucking cool. Andrew's amazing. So, but all you guys, you new guys, and I say new because to me you're new. Right. No,

I feel you. Right. Like, I love you all, but fuck you. I've had to work, I've had to work so hard, which is amazing because I enjoy it.

But I've had to work so hard to achieve a speck of the different sounds you guys can do and the different remarkable things with your voices. The first time I learned a tunnel throat was after watching one of your videos, by the way. On TikTok, when you would make all the sounds with the door opening or this. Remember those?

I hate those videos, yeah. Or you'd be at work. I forget it. He would just go, just go, whatever. And I'm like, what the fuck is that? So I started learning it and stuff. So like I said, I love the progression and I love all you guys for doing it, but also fuck you guys because I am just constantly, constantly trying to be like, yo, I got to be able

to hold my own with these dudes. And like, and it's amazing because I'm learning new stuff. And I'm like, fuck, man. If I, if I don't nail these things, bro, so. I mean, you're crushing though, dude. I don't, I mean, whatever. Thank you. I got, I got a, I got a really good coach, thankfully.

And I'm like, yo, how does he do this? And he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, I don't want to sound just like him, but I just want to be able to see my version of that. So I can like, I always tell people, don't try to sound like anybody else. Try to sound like your version of that. Every time. If you want, you know what I mean?

And like, I mean, you, you, you specifically. have so many different vocal sounds. Like when I heard that stuff, I'm like, dude, how does he, like you can do everything, man. Same with like Ben. Ben or Will. I have not met Will yet. I've met the other guys.

And I hear the greatest things about him. But every time, like, at the last show, he wasn't out, so I didn't get a chance to meet him. But, like, dude, like, I don't know the dude, right? But I am such a fan, and I respect the hell out of that dude because of, like, just all the cool shit he's. You're on the same song as him, bro. I know, which trip me the fuck.

This fucking guy He hits me up And he's like He's like Yo you want to be on one of our songs I was like fuck yes I do Are you kidding me Holy shit

I hope I do it well You know what I mean Pressure And then he's like All right cool And this this is that And then he's like Oh yo and uh

Will's gonna be on the song too Ramos I'm like ah fuck Are you kidding me man I just threw the three-headed dragon In other midst of the middle He didn't tell me until After I wrote and recorded my parts

Which honestly Thank you for doing this I knew beforehand, too. I was like, I had him, like, track his shit out. And then I was like, I was like, all right, cool. Because we, like, I section these two pieces off. I was like, I'm going to have, like, this cool thing where, like, it's like me and then, like, two other sick-ass vocalists on one track to kind of make something, like, real cool. That's a great idea.

Right. And I just love collaborating, bro. There's no point why you can't, you know what I mean? Especially because I'm friends with him. I'm friends with Will. You know what I like doing that shit, like, with, like, people that I've become, like, homies with in the scene and stuff, right? Yeah. And so I sent it to him and I was like, yo, do this little breakdown or whatever.

And I already had sent it to Will and I was like, you know, do this part too. So he sends me back his stuff first or whatever. And then I was like, all right, cool. And then like, it was like, what a week later? And I was like, yeah, yeah, by the way, Will's on it too. And he was like, bro, what the fuck? God damn it. Did you do that on purpose?

Oh, yeah. I didn't tell Will that Ricky was on it either. Oh, wow. That's cool. And then I sent it out whenever they both did their parts, I sent it to them. both of them and I was like oh yo by the way like da da da da such and such is on the song and then both of them were like yo this fucking epic you know what I'm really looking forward to eventually meeting that guy yeah he's the fucking shit yeah well is a fucking sweetheart dude you know and the thing about

it is too is what I find uh and like we were saying earlier dude because I I watched their video Austin's my favorite drummer literally a fucking machine so nice um he's but he's my favorite drummer currently right and um and and and like I see people just like kind of bashing with And I'm like, what the why? Fuck. The only reason people are bashing Will is because Lorna Shore is doing something that not a lot of Death Corps bands have ever done. They deserve every ounce of the success they're getting. They're huge.

They're huge now. And it's like crazy how big they got. And so like once, like I said before, like once a band starts passing a certain threshold, they go from like the precious underground where everybody loves them to like now they're popular and all of those underground people are pissed. Yeah. That they're not underground anymore. It's a weird moment. It's such a weird thing. I don't understand how anybody could hate.

Dude, his shit is so cool. It's cool as fuck. And it's fucked because he's so talented and also just like super fucking cool. Like he's not a fucking dick. Well, like, I remember I was talking to, I'm not going to say any names here, but I was talking to a guy from a really, really known band at the time. Right.

And it was when Demolisher first came out from Slaughter. Yeah. I ate that shit up. Right? I love that song. I was like, holy shit. And then Bobby Yaga came out. I'm like, dude, this is fucking amazing.

And the other guy was like, I don't know. know, me and so-and-so think it's all this and that. I'm like, shut the fuck up. No, it's not. Dude, are you kidding me? I hate that shit. Are you kidding? Like, just bashing on this guy's voice.

Yeah. At a sheer jealousy. I'm like, you're a fucking asshole, dude. Yeah. Like, you're just mad you didn't do it, dude. Yeah. And, like, I recently was able to talk with Alex, right? I'm a big fan of this.

Great guy, man. Oh, that's a six-up. I haven't got to fucking meet him yet, dude. I love that guy, dude. So Alex, I'm a huge fan of Alex's and I've been for years, right? For years since the first time I heard them. So this guy posts one of my things with this big, long description. Oh, I saw that.

You saw that? I did see that. I was like, what the fuck? So Alex wrote in this thing, and then we had this conversation on Instagram. I was huge, apparently, for him. Yeah. Oh, wow. He covered three of my songs back in the day on his old YouTube channel, which are still up, which I found.

Yep. Destroyed me, which is great, right? Because I'm like, fuck, yeah, dude. I love that shit. And he just credited me as, like, influential in every aspect of him. Whoa. Like,

I'm like, what? So, so, so, like you saw that shit. Yeah, that shit was crazy.

I was like, damn, all right, fuck yeah. I mean, I get it though. It's just so crazy. Thank you.

I told you that already. I know, but I just, I don't, I don't understand it. But, you know, but when he wrote that shit,

I'm just like, because it was not a little thing. It was like a full on long thing. And then we talked for a while and he was just sending me all these messages. And I'm like, bro, I'm like the biggest fan of yours.

Like I don't understand how you do what you do. And like I like your cadences, your patterns, everything is fucking great. And because I pay a lot of attention to that stuff because it's really hard for me to write that stuff. Like cadences are hard for me and patterns are like I was asking him for help. Um, you know, but like he wrote that thing. I'm just like, this is fucking crazy, dude. This is, this is insane. But he gets so much hate.

And I don't understand why because he's so nice. He's so cool to everybody. Like, The success, bro. He didn't need. to be nice to me. He didn't need to say shit. He didn't need to message me and say all these cool things. And like I sent him a picture or I sent him a video of our drummer Levi just crushing one of their songs on drums. He does great. And Alex is like stoked as hell on and he posted it. And like,

I know it's something that seems trivial, but like that's really cool. It is. Like I make it, I know you do too. I make it, I make it a point to anybody that supports us, sulfur, I make it a point to to talk to them, to repost them, to do anything like they DM me and I see the DMs. I'm very big on that. And I just don't know how you could hate on anybody who really takes time to do that stuff. You know what I mean? Like, I've seen Will do it too. Yep.

Like, I don't understand how these guys are hating on these people because of it. But, you know, it is what it is. And I actually look forward to the hate comments on the videos and songs. I do too. Especially the singing ones because they're always just like, man, why the fuck is this guy singing now, dude? He was tough until he started being a bitch She's like I still remember when they released their first song And it was all gutterels dude

I love that And I'm just like why would I want to do that for my whole career as a music Why do I just want to go The whole time? I don't want to do that That actually sounded really fucking good I was barely scared I'll fucking mix it dude don't sound sick

Dude Yeah What the fuck? I'm talking to my Oh my goodness Yeah Thank you for watching And listening to the heaviest podcast

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