Garza Podcast - 37: Ricky Hoover & Taylor Barber Pt. 2 | OV SULFUR, LEFT TO SUFFER

Episode Date: July 18, 2022

Ricky Hoover is the singer of OV SULFUR, formerly of SUFFOKATE & Taylor Barber is the singer of LEFT TO SUFFER. In Part 2 we talk about deathcore going mainstream, the Suicide Silence writing process and much more! MERCH: kingsroadmerch.com/the-garza-podcast    

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I'm not even going to attempt that. But yeah, um. But yeah, dude, like, it's like, I was talking with Phil from Whitechap, because that's a band that's huge for me, too. And I was like, yo, man, like, I love the direction you guys are going. Yeah. And he's like, well, yeah, he's like, why would I want to continue to do the same thing forever? Over and over. Over and over.

And I'm like, yo, bro, 100% agree. And I promise you those people who are complaining would complain even if they got the same thing. Yeah, because it would be the same thing. They would be like, man, this is the same thing they just put out. You know what I mean? They just want to have a problem with it. I don't get it. I don't either, dude.

It's so hard to wrap my mind around that mindset to be real. Dude, it's like music is supposed to be expression, art, everything. So why are you going to try to pigeonhole anything in it? There should be no boundaries. That's their form of self-expression is just being a fucking idiot. I'm just, that's all I was just thinking about. I'm like, you know what, bro, you're entitled to your opinion and I fucking respect you for it. I remember the hate I saw from when you guys had like Eddie or whatever.

I'm like, why are you hating? Eddie's fucking amazing. Eddie's amazing. Yeah. I don't understand it. Not to mention he knew Mitch. I feel like Mitch would have wanted Eddie to take over because, you know what I mean? I feel like that would have been the next logical thing for him.

And Eddie kills it. Yeah. He does. He does a great job. So good life, dude. Dude. The highs that Eddie does still to this. I can't do that.

To this day, to this day baffle me because I remember when we were tour together when he's an awesome person, I was like, yo, can you teach me how to do those highs? Dude, I still don't know the first time I heard wage slave, dude, and I was just like, oh, my God, bro. And I remember seeing it when it was announced that you guys had him, and I was like, well, yeah, because I witnessed him practice with you guys. Remember, we did all that practice together? Yeah. And I was like, oh, bro, he's fucking, this guy's got it. Like, I didn't, not that he had the position, but I was like, he's going to be one of the best at the show.

He's the juice, dude. He's going to be one of the best. And, of course, he was. And, like, he's so talented and, and. I fucking love Eddie, dude. Yeah, great guy, man. Bro, he came up to me and, like, at that show or whatever, I'll stand it outside. I was talking to Scott from Carnifex or whatever, and I'm sitting.

Scarnifex. Oh, my goodness. Yo, we got to text him. Yo, Scarfx. I'm literally, God. I love Scott. We did a tour with him. Amazing.

I literally, yeah, I'm going on tour with him or whatever. Oh, sick. You're going to go on? Oh, badass, bro. It's a, not until Monday, but whatever. But, uh, yeah, dude, like, I was standing over there talking to Scott. and Eddie, like, walks out and I loki, and I see him, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I know.

I've been a fan of Eddie's for years, right? And he, like, kind of walks. He, like, makes eye contact with me, and he just starts walking to me. I'm like, oh, my God, what the fuck is going on right now? And he's like, yo, what's up? I'm like, yo, I'm Taylor. He goes, yeah, I already know who you are. And I was just like, what the fuck, dude?

It was just, like, the weirdest, like, I was just like, you know, what the fuck? And he was just so fucking nice, dude. I was like, this guy is just, like, mad, cool. Like, I still talk to him on Instagram or whatever, like pretty much like at least once a couple times a week already still he'll just like hit me up and we'll just like chat it up for a minute

he's just like the coolest dude fucking ever bro and I just I fucking respect that dude a lot dude for real. He can do so many things too like he can sing he can do like 80s hair metal singing. Have you ever been to do that? Oh yeah. I've been trying to do that I can't even fucking do it and he does it fucking around

like he's insane he's such a good vocalist and he's such a good showman And on stage, when you guys came to Vegas, I watched KS. Encarnas, I was side stage. I was just like, dude, look at how, look at it. They're just like, they're owning this shit so well. And Eddie was just so, he's captivating, man. Yeah.

On stage. The way he interacts, the way he does everything. That's something I think a lot of us aspire to be on stage. You know, we, we, we, we, we got the juice. There's like the vocalist juice, dude. Some people have it. Some people don't. You know, the crowd.

interaction, just the genuine, like... It's the charismatic, like, being able to, like, just, like, put on a show. You know what I mean? He has that, like, that little bone in his body that just gets fucking shit going. But then you get these fucking assholes online. It's like, shut up, dude. Go back to your grandma's basement, Kevin. Shut up. A fucking, honestly, a core memory for the rest of my life will be me, Eddie, Mark and B-O-B taking shots of crown fucking peach on y'all's fucking bandwagon or whatever. That's just it was so funny. I was just like, man.

This is the weirdest, like, interaction that I think I was just like, I'm sitting here with, like, the guy who wrote airplanes with Haley Williams that I've heard on the radio a million times. Yeah. And then also it was somebody that I've looked up to, Mark and Eddie, both, that I'm just sitting there. I've looked up to him for so long, and I'm just, like, sitting here on this, like, bandwagon. Like, out of nowhere.

It's, like, what the fuck is going on right now? Weirdest, like, core. I'll probably never forget that moment for whatever reason. It's just, like, I'm grand in my memory. That's a great moment. Yeah. I think the fact that all of us, Gars included, we all have these moments where we fan girl over people, right?

Or we're in awe. I think that's like a testament to like how we've kind of stayed grounded. Yeah, bro. You have to. You have to, dude. I, you know, and I think that that speaks volumes because like, I feel like any of us would just talk to anybody at any given time. You know what I mean?

Like, like, I'll go out and at the line or whatever. I just talk to people. It's fucking cool. I do the same thing. After the shows, bro, I'll go out and have I can hang out with people and shit. Sometimes it gets a little bit too much. but then like other times like you know what I mean like I just have like my social meters already just kind of like a lower kind of time social anxiety is a real thing yeah

I had to go to therapy for you especially like sometimes like because like it's especially like in Atlanta like I'll go to shows we've gotten to a point now we're like I'll go to like shows in Atlanta and like I'm not even playing and like people are like fucking trying to talk to me the whole time when I'm just trying to like hang out you know what I mean I haven't Atlanta is crazy dude yeah bro and like so and like it's just like even like after shows and stuff like it's like I love fucking interacting with people bro, like just going out. I'm like, fucking, like, they're just telling me how like, you know, oh, yeah,

dude, love to suffer sick, whatever. And then other times I'm like, yo, I'm just going to, like, hang out in the back for a little bit. Then I'll come back out. And it's like, sometimes I've done it in shifts where I'll, like, go out for like 30 minutes and then I'll get like kind of tired and go back and then come back out, come back out. Oh, wow. Yeah.

It's cool, though. I love talking to people. It's just fun. I fucking love talking to people. It's a trip that the stuff you do mean so much to people, right? Right. Dude, that's the biggest thing where you're just like, you have like, Holy fuck, you like actually listen to me.

Like I've, you know what I mean? Like it's just such a weird thing to even comprehend. Or you meet people who have tattoos of your stuff? Bro, that's weird. Isn't that insane? That shit is crazy, dude. I've met people who had my albums as a sleeve. I'm pretty sure I saw someone with the suicide silence full chest piece one time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like the entire deal of this man's chest or a back piece or some shit that I saw. And I was just like, wow, that's dedication, bro. That's crazy. It's nuts, man. That shit's nuts for sure. We had a person, as soon as that song, Bade in the Flame came out, they got a bathe in the flame tattoo. Oh, yeah.

I was like, what the fuck? We got a lot of people get this thing tattooed on them. They're fucking, from our, like, first EP or whatever, our second EP or whatever. A lot of people got that snake tattooed on them. It was crazy. It's just the trip, bro. It's like you have such a powerful position. You know what I mean?

You're an influencer, dude. You influence and you inspire people through music, which is such a cool position to be in. Yeah. It's very lucky. I mean, you have a cop. It's not luck to be where you're at because you, like, work your ass off. You know what I mean? Like, everybody knows that you can't just, like, fall into the position and just, you know what I mean?

You're fortunate. Fortune for sure, yeah. But, yeah, it's just very blessed to be where you're at, I guess. I don't really believe in God or anything, but. That boy. I don't believe in any of that shit, to be honest with you. I'm pretty outspoken about that. I mean, I am too.

Our most popular song is, fuck your God. And his only son. Oh my God. Dude, you're going to hear it. Dude, everyone live, bro, every time. You remember, we played six blocks away from each other, two tours. And I ran, I ran from the venue. And I caught the very ending of DNR.

I'm like, son of a bitch. And then I see you playing all this other stuff. And I'm like, yo, that show was crazy. Everybody sang everything. Dude, it's fucked, bro. So many people know our lyrics. It's so weird. I'm so excited to watch.

Dude, it's going to be so fun. Same, dude. Yeah, these shows are going to be so fun. You coming out? Yeah. Sick. I'll be there. Hell yes.

Good, good, good, dude. I'll be in the back being old. That's fine. You know, my parents are going to come, too, and I'm like, Wow. Yeah, so my mom has never seen me play live. What? So when my mom was pregnant with my little brother,

it was when that, that, that, that, that, what, shit was on TV, right? Remember that, those commercials? Yeah. For some reason, she equated that to me and my vocals, right? And she remembers the morning sickness from that. So every time she hears my voice, she says it makes her nauseous. Oh, my God.

And she's heliclostrophobic. And I'm like, Mom, you want to come. to chain reaction. You're kidding me? You're gonna be like, my dad came to chain once when I was back in Suffocate and like he stayed for us

and he's all cool, he shows up on his Harley like a badass, right? That's sick. And then he's like, he's like, yeah, that was an interesting show. He dug it,

but I think the people pitting is what got him. He's like, that's kind of interesting. Well, there's gonna be plenty of that. That's what I told him. I was like, you know this is going to be a violent show, right? Oh, bro.

Between, dude, all of the bands on this bill are just like mosh and dude. bands that's all it is mosh and ducing yeah my my yeah my yeah they're all in my bands yeah yeah they're all they're all they're up in my scene dude oh my god let's go that's gonna confuse people we gotta put that on a fucking t-shirt or sticker right am i dude my m's my co m's inducing yeah in my core for sure oh my goodness dude you guys are doing what i wish we had back in our day because it wasn't like

the bands weren't working together we weren't talking and weren't hanging out right you guys you guys are doing what I wish I had back then dude it was fuck dude

regardless of you're still you're still in it bro we're still hanging out now I know what I do it it's a fucking cool thing I'm realizing that too because I'm from your era right yeah

and and we're still here we're still doing this there's still opportunities there's still time to do it still thriving too still thriving bro you guys are still thriving you can put out a new record right

Yeah, fuck, I can't wait for that shit. It's done. Sick. You know, I'm going to need to get a little listen on that. Oh, sure. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, me too, dude. I need that.

Yeah, sure. Nope. No problem. It's done. We'll probably drop us single probably mid-August. Sick. We'll do the single once every month. I'm partially saying that.

But you can edit it out and post. Yeah, whatever. I'll make it louder. We are dropping a single Oh my goodness Yeah dropping the record Probably late January, mid-February Sick

Which we dropped our last record On Valentine's Day Mid-February 2012 I remember that I worked out to that In 2020 I'm sorry And it's crazy I was in the gym

When you guys dropped that And I listened to it And worked after that Oh the best dude It was sick That's boss It was sick I was talking guys earlier

And I mean it Like you know Some day she's waiting up you're just fucking tired oh I cannot wake up and you literally drag your fucking corpse to the gym I was like and like I needed and I put on first I put on you guys and I was like okay sick you go okay okay you guys fucking gave me like 45 minutes of like something because I was dead dude I was dead today I'm like my I woke up my eyes are fucking it's red I'm like I want to go back to bed I don't

I want to do anything. And I needed, I put you guys on text. I needed, I didn't know, like, this is a, this is a new feeling for me and experience today with, with, with, with this podcast. Like, I didn't really realize I need it. Like, I needed, like, I- Therapy, man, sometimes people- It's weird.

You guys gave me, like, this boost of energy. I was, I had something to, like, look, look forward to. Mm-hmm. And, keep, keep me on it, keep, uh, keep me focus, like, a friendship. I was like, damn, like, I needed this. Holy shit. Sometimes you just need to hang out with the boys, man. You know what I mean?

True, man. Yeah, fucking vibe out with the dog. Therapy comes in all forms, man. You know, dead ass. I'm about to get on stage and fucking release demons tonight, to be honest. Oh, yeah. I'll tell you that, dude, live, I swear to God, I don't even remember being on stage half the time, dude.

Wow. It's just I release, I straight up release demons on stage sometimes, dude. I don't remember El Paso, so. Yeah. I passed out on stage. Oh, man. Did you? You see that video?

Yeah, there's a video of him, like, fucking fall. I was on. I was on the riser. crazy you know the other bands were nice enough to let us use their risers because like some of the stage spaces

were a little yeah so it would just be the drums and it would be the riser so I'd just hang out on the riser the whole time I was I had heat exhaustion I was dehydrated at all this shit and I literally in the video

my family got really mad at me for this because they didn't tell them they just saw the video I literally just fall backwards I'm holding out a really like a long high and I fall backwards into the drum on the video

like you couldn't even choreography I was like an oak tree, dude. Oh, my goodness. I respect the fuck out of him, though, because he fucking ended up getting back up. Dude, so I don't remember any of this, right? So I guess I fell over three times, trying to get up and trying to get through it, even though I was unconscious, essentially.

I would gain consciousness and then become unconscious again or whatever. And ding, my bass player tried to pick me back up, but he, you know, I'm a bigger dude, so he was having a hard time. And everybody kept trying to pick me up and pick me up. And I guess I think it was three times. And even when I was laying down on the ground, laying down on the ground, I woke up and then was back out. So they had to, like, help me off stage.

Paramedics came. Ken Suzy, fucking, to the rescue, put an ice pack on the back of my neck. And it was crazy. And yeah, we only got to play a couple songs. But at the end of it, when they helped me back up, I got on the mic and I apologized to the crowd because I was like, I'm so sorry. Like, you got to hear two songs, one song, two songs, or whatever.

And everybody that clapped or whatever. but like bro like I don't remember anything other than I've seen the videos it's crazy I felt all bad too I was like ah shit Levi our drummer Levi I'm like did I wreck your drums room he's like fuck my drums are you okay damn yeah I just I feel like that's like my like like nightmarers like passing out on stage and like you just I mean fucking persevered persevered through it I have never done that before crazy and I kind of I kind of remember so like I don't remember most of it but I remember bits and pieces and from what I do remember thinking like as I'm trying to stumble to get up I remember thinking is this real or am I

dreaming am I actually here oh dude the lack of oxygen dude and I remember thinking yeah I didn't know where I was it was weird and that's all I remember that's all I remember and then like my wife oh man bless her um my manager calls my wife and tells her and freaks her the fuck out but she has my kids so she has to like remain calm. And then Tim's wife calls her as well and is like telling her everything and I finally get on the phone with her or whatever. She made the band and my manager and everybody swear

that they would not let me drive for a while because I do the night drives. She made them swear that they would make sure that I was hydrated every day and that I did this and this. I was like I had like nannies. Yeah, that's sick though. It was pretty funny. But yeah, so hopefully that never. happens again because yeah not really I hope not either because honestly I watched the

video I was like fuck bro that was dude my wife told me my parents my sister they were all mad at me because I didn't tell them they had to see the video that I read because I reposted it on I know that's when I saw it was when you reposed it and I was like holy I thought it was bad for this thing mad because I thought it was kind of funny like the way I fell back I was like it was the way that you fell is what made it kind of like but like they're not all mad I guess my sister like started crying when she saw it and all this shit because I have like a history of gnarly concussions. I had like 12 in a year once.

Oh, geez. Oh, yeah. Oh, bro. I played football. I feel you. I know. I'm like half. We got CTE, bro. I'm telling you. To the rest of my life, dude. Yeah. And and, and they were all serious concussions. Yeah.

Because I guess you have serious and not serious. I'm sure you're all serious. I'm sure you're too. And like, my family's all like, mad I posted it shit. Yeah. Like, I'm sorry. I thought it was funny. My bad.

I mean, I didn't get a concussion. So, like, why are you now? Have you ever felt like that on stage? it's so hot that you're just like, whoa, I got to take a minute. Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude, hot venues suck. Like, playing, playing in, like, fucking just like a, oh, my God, because we played in Arizona. We played in Arizona or whatever, like, there's, like, this little, like, basement venue or whatever.

I can't, it's the Nile or whatever. And underneath that, like, that, like, basement of the Nile, like, the walls get wet from how, like, gross and humid it gets down there. Yeah. There's been, like, at least 12 times I felt like it was. going to pass out. Like where I'm just like holding out of low and I'm just like oh shit like I'm lightheaded like holy crap like I'm fucking like struggling for a minute yep yep that's why when we were on tour with Ben from Shadow I'm just like how do you do that

dude? Oh dude his breath control is fucked I don't know what it is I don't know I tried to pick his brain about it and he's just like I just kill muscle every night up on stage dude yeah I'm like oh you fucking crazy so the show that I passed out he hopped off a stage in the backstage not like the little loading area or behind everything, dropped to the floor. Didn't pass out, but dropped to the floor and was like, like, it was crazy. That's how hot it was in that menu.

Yeah, that's crazy. And he came with me, he's like, that almost happened to me too, man. That's sketched. Wow, that's scary. Hot time. You hold these, you hold these, like, like, people listening. We, we, we, we, we, we put our damn bodies on the line. We believe for this shit.

We pass out for this shit just to hold it. Oh, yeah, dude. You come out to the shows, please. please buy some merch. And buy us water. Buy us water. Cold water. Oh, that's the worst, man.

When the venue doesn't have water for you. Dude. We played So What Fest or whatever. And like, it was a great time. We had a good time and everything. But they ran out of stage water. Oh, yeah. Dude, I hate that.

What the hell? And I was like, yo, what the fuck? Dude. Like, it was after we played. Thank God. So, like, the last whole day of the, the festival, there was no stage water at all. And I was like, that's crazy, dude.

Yeah, it's such. Water, water, water, water. At like an outdoor, like, it's like 98 degrees outside and humid. Man. No stage water. Jesus. There's a lot of shit that happened behind his scenes with that festival that all the bands weren't happy with and no one talked about it.

It was like, we did the same thing. We post the pictures and like, oh, a great festival. It was a good time, but like there was just, there was definitely minute things that were like, bro. Oh, they should. No one taught. Oh, my God. Like the management of the show. Yeah.

Yeah. Jesus. And no one knew what was going on. Yeah, you got water. I forgot. Yeah, you all played. That's right. Yeah, yeah.

Fuck, dude. That shit was... I saw the videos. It looked really cool. I mean, it was cool. It was fun. I had a good time. But yeah, that happens a lot of times when you got so many bands and a festival and

so many things like just out of, like all over the place. Like, I played festivals in like Germany where like it was just a shit show. Like, like everything's running way to. Bad festivals are scary, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. Like, I can't imagine that at a big, it was like, like,

That one we played in, you know, some of the ones I played in Germany, they weren't massive, but like, the massive ones and shit going south, like, what the, that must be shitty, dude. That must be real bad. Yeah, there's so many, like, small things you got to worry about. I always think about, like, whenever I approach, like, a big massive festival, I always think about, just, like, just, like, just, like, just, like, paying attention to, like, where are people going to shit and piss? Like, like, those little things that we don't think, we just show up. That's such a real thing, though. Like, you got to know, like, because what? Like, you're going to have, you're going to have four porta-potties from?

for an entire festival? Like, dude, you're fucked. You're fucked by day two. You know what? I don't understand what really gets me. You go to these venues, and the bathrooms and the venues are shit.

First of all, they're awful, right? And none of the stalls have locks on them at all. Oh, my God. Oh, my goodness. That is the worst, dude. Okay, come on, people. I hate that shit.

Maintain your bathrooms. Come on. At least put, like, one of those little, like, installable, dangly, fucking hook one. Or something where you don't just have to, like, kind of place it close.

and then hope to God nobody just like flows like flies the door I played this one venue right and I don't remember where it was at now because it's all like a blurr right

there was no walls there was like a mini wall actually it was like yeah it was like a mini wall yeah like between each toilet and there was no doors dude there were

so you're literally like there was there was one green room that we played that mouth for ward when we were on the body such as award took a picture of and it was literally like like two toilets right next to each other

that had no... So good. Yeah. It was like the buddy poop. You know what I mean? You go in and yeah, you're just like, dude,

with your shit going, all right, like cool. That's like in, so funny. In Italy, wipe each other. Yo,

scoop forward a little bit. Come on, we're fucking on Twitter together. Yeah, bro, we're brothers right now. In Italy, when I was in Italy, this one place we played out

in the country, I forget where now, but like, they had holes in the ground that you poop in and right next to the hole, there's little cutouts for your feet to go in. And there's nothing separating anybody. And you're just sitting there squatting, hoping you don't shit on your pants.

Oh, yeah. It's always the way. You're like, what the fuck is this? This is what they have? This is like straight up like 18th century shitting. It's so weird. Here's a hole in the ground and then we burn it at the end of the week. But that's like the thing over there, man.

Yeah, we're poop into a hole in the ground, man. And then what? Like, what the fuck in the thing? Where does he go? What do you do with this shit? Well, speaking and kidding, I'm really curious on your guys' take on this. Where do you see the music industry and the death court scene going in the next five years?

Unless you start that one. I will say, due to COVID in the lockdown and shutdown, everybody's just touring and touring and touring and touring right now, right? Yes. Which is good and bad, I think, because, I think it's as true today as it was when I did it back in the day. I mean, suffocate toward, I think I was home a matter of months in the four or five years I was with that band. So I do worry a little bit because I think the market might get oversaturated from people constantly going and going to the same cities.

Yeah. But at the same time, the need and the hunger and the thirst for live music and death core especially is huge. So I think it could go one of two ways. You know what I mean? I'm hopeful that it keeps going up, right? And I kind of, I'm leaning more towards that. But there is that fear in the back of my head that we might overdo it and it might need a break for a minute. You know what I mean?

I don't necessarily think that'll happen, but it's a worry. Yeah. I don't know. What do you think? I genuinely think that Death Corps is going to get some sort of mainstream moment at some point in the next. next five years where it's going to, because like we're, like, I feel like it's on the precipice right now, right? Like, it's like, there's like, obviously mainstream pop and everything's way

up here, right? But like, like, I don't think that death core is like super far off from that as of right now, just solely because, I mean, like we said, there are bands that are literally top 200 Billboard charting right now. Crazy, dude. Multiple bands. You know what I mean? That are just like, dude, Lorna Shore is like one of the heaviest bands I think I've ever heard. You know what I mean? And it's just ridiculous. And their billboard, like, literally charting, like, with pop musicians. You know what I mean? Crazy.

So if they can do that, I don't see why other bands can't follow suit and get the same kind of thing because there is that door that's already open. You know what I mean? There are those people that are listening to that band. So with that, I think that to build on what you were saying, I do think that a lot of bands are touring right now. But I also think that people are so hungry for shows after that two years. of having nothing to do is going to help fuel that and then push it to, like, maybe not,

I mean, maybe mainstream, you know what I mean? Like, my optimism is like, cool, yeah, maybe it'll get to the point where, like, fucking, there's, like, a Death Corps radio station on the fucking radio, you know what I mean? Wow. Whatever, you know what I mean? Like, I'm just saying, like, there's, like, that's a possibility just because of, like, you know, as these Death Corps bands get progressively bigger and, like, seeing more and more Billboard charting bands of, like, the heavier genre, like, that audience just keeps

growing. Yes. So those new people are going to start buying tickets to see those tours. So if you're touring more, there's going to be new people still spilling into these tours. So I don't think it's going to get so oversaturated. That's a good point. Just because the audience sizes are growing at such a rapid rate right now that you're

just going to keep continuously touring and new people are going to keep coming. And maybe some people might get stalled out on it. Be like, oh, I've seen that band three times in the past two years. But like 20 other people haven't seen it. It's going to fill that spot. That's a good point. Yeah. I actually, yeah, I'll probably recant because I didn't think about it that way.

And I think I'm noticing, too, a lot of these movies now and a lot of these shows are having a lot of band merchandise in them, stickers. Yeah. I think I saw you guys in a movie, actually. I forget what movie it was now, but there's a sticker. There's a poster. Yeah, yeah, there's a poster on the wall. And Netflix just put out that Metal Lord's movie. Oh, yeah.

So I agree with you, actually. I think about it. It might, yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't think about it from that perspective. I just like, I don't know. I like to think about things like, I mean, it's like, I feel like that's a logical way of thinking, you know what I mean? But also, like, I really believe in manifestation, you know what I mean?

Like, if you manifest what you fucking want, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like it's possible to make anything happen, you know what I mean? What do you think it's going to take to maybe take it to that next level? I think there's bands who are doing something different, you know what I mean, that are going to pander to bigger audiences, you know what I mean? because maybe some people don't really like the super all the time. You know what I mean? But then there's bands like, you know, of sulfur and us and like, you know, other bands as well that are just like they're incorporating all of these different genres into deathcore.

And it's heavy music. I don't like, there's a lot of bands that I don't even consider deathcore that are death core bands. You know what I mean? Yeah. That are just like splicing so many different things together that are making it more accessible to such a wider audience. You know what I mean? And so I feel like that's really what it is. It's just like incorporating hip hop and pop and you know what I mean.

Like things that are mainstream into the thing. So it's going to pander to them just as much as it is going to pander to the Death Corps kids where all of that, both of those people, like groups of people are going to come to the shows and stuff and buy merch or whatever the fuck, you know. Wow. The hip-hop thing is that's a really valid point because like I like, you know, like all these hip-hop artists now are kind of taking a lot of the imagery and the lyrical content. I just live in Atlanta, dude.

You know what I mean? Like, I'm surrounded by that shit, dude. That guy, uh, Ghostmain. Yeah. So sick. Ghost main is like black metal as fuck. And he takes hardcore bands on on tour with him if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I saw him with Vane one time.

There you go. Wow. It's crazy. I just heard Vane. Ed showed me Vane. So, holy shit. Holy shit. Right?

But, um, that's, yeah, I think hip hop ex actually, same question. but I think hip hop is pushing it actually now that I think about it. Hip hop is drawing more light onto death core and heavier music because they're incorporating it in it. There's like groups that are coming out or whatever. Like there's this group city morgue

that's getting huge right now. You got to show me them. That's literally like they have hardcore or death core riffs over like 808 beats that are like dude, they're selling out like 3,000 cab rooms right now. Whoa. You know what I mean?

And they've only been around for like three years. Oh shit. You know? And like that shit. Just like, that's what I'm saying. It's like, that's why I feel so strong, I guess, kind of strongly about us having, like, the opportunity to really, like, push through into a way wider market because there's people who are already doing that.

Wow. That just, like, people, because they're not, a lot of people aren't looking at it. They're looking at the bands, right? Like, because we're, like, in our bubble and people are like, yo, look at these death core bands and, like, look what they're doing. But, like, also, look with the people who are taking influence from death core are doing. You know what I mean? Like, Citi Morgan, Ghost Main, and all.

of these like different like trap metal or metal trap artists or whatever that are doing that yeah there's the same thing where you can take influence from that sound or whatever and like incorporated into deathcore and just like it pander to both audiences and i think that dude that crossover is so easy like that like those worlds will will at some point come together where like that does that's where that's where like those scene kids or whatever that's where they are right now yeah dude they're at the suicide the puya the uh the like the Suicide Boys, Apulia and Fat Nick and City Morgan, Ghost Maid, they're at those shows. Like, I've been, like, I used to work at the masquerade in Atlanta, and I used to, like, work these shows.

Yeah, and I, so, like, I would see all of these, like, kids who would come to these shows that are literally, like, metalhead kids that are just at these shows because, like, they've just attached to this, like, certain sound or whatever. But I feel like that sound is so, like, over-encompassing with metal that it's, like, it's going to be just, like, it's going to take one. or a couple bands to figure out the bridge, you know what I mean? And then it's just going to be like a, it's going to be heavy music. You know what I mean? I don't think,

like, I think sub-genres are getting so niche at this point where people are trying to put all of these bands into different boxes. They're like, oh, this is a death core band. Oh, this is a melodic death core. Some symphonic slam fucking whatever band.

You know what I mean? And it's like it's just, right, dude. Like, I feel like it's just getting to a point where music is just getting heavy. You know what I mean? whether it be heavier, you know, in whatever direction you want to fucking say it is.

But I just feel like it's like, real. Yeah, I think it's just all just getting to the point where it's just going to become like one big blanket. And it's just like all of these fans are going to be, it's going to be way bigger audiences for everybody. Into everything. I've been trying, because I got a lot of friends that are into that stuff. Yeah, dude. I've been trying to find an artist that I can really like latch onto in that style. I haven't had one yet.

That's why we, like, on our EP release today, our third track, it's called Fix. say that we have a trap metal guy who's like wraps the hook on our track or whatever. His name's Kamiata. And that's kind of just like we just, I don't know. I've been very, I guess, like, hooked into like that what I just like pretty much brain spilled out over the past like 10 minutes. It's a good name. Brain spill. Yeah.

Great. No brain. Oh, yeah. It's like no brain. Oh, my God. I'm such a door. Oh, it's in the California. Oh, duh, yeah.

No, it's very reminiscent of, like, when new metal became a thing, really, if you think about it, right? Remember? Born and Ice Cube and whatever the fun. When they started mixing everything, and, I mean, I think this is very reminiscent of that, actually. I do, do. I really do think it's, like, it's very similar. You know, like, or even back before that, I mean, like, Anthrax did a song with fucking, uh... Public Enemy?

Public Enemy. Yeah, Public Enemy. And then Aerosmith with Run DMC. You know what I mean? So I think that the history between hip hop and rock and metal or whatever you want to call it has been there. Especially with how influence hip hop is from metal right now. Dude, the imagery. Like, it's like so much.

It's crazy, dude. Like, it's like the crossover is just so blatantly in your face. You know what I mean? And I feel like so many people just, like, aren't looking at it. You know what I mean? Wow. It's so weird. I mean, like back in the day, Bones.

Bones has been doing this stuff. Bones, for sure. Yeah. right? Absolutely. I'm dating myself once again. But like, you know, but I think it's because more people are doing it now and more people are not afraid to experiment, which is getting the masses to be okay with all these different new things. I was having this conversation with Morgoth. And he was just all about blending everything. Yeah. Yeah, he is. And part of me, I won't lie. Part of me is like, I kind of, I was like, but I want to keep certain stuff niche to a degree because that's what that makes that that. But then he's like, yeah, but that's, that's, you're kind of. You're kind of. I was like, but that's, you're kind of. I was like, but that's, you're kind of. You're kind of. I was like, I was like, but that's, you're kind of. I was. You're. I was. I was. kind of just going to, it's never going to progress in anything else. And I'm like, that's a good point. Like, do you care about those 3,000 people that like that sound or that's 300,000 people that like the weird shit?

You know what I mean? This is true. This is true. You know, and I mean, like, music, like, art imitates art and imitates life and imitates everything. So it's like, it makes sense that different things are going to come into it. You know what I mean? So I'm hoping I can find a, find a good artist in that style of music because I like to find

somebody in everything. That's in a country, dude. Like, I won't lie. I love some country. I mean, I like a storyteller. Best storytelling music ever. A little Travis Trit. Dude, I'm all about

fucking anything Chris Stapleton touches or... That dude's voice is butter. Yo, I have been trying to find someone similar to Chris Stapleton for years. Really? Cannot do it. Nobody sounds like him. Dude, listen to...

I have a friend in Atlanta, his name's Teddy Swims. His name's Jay. I know all about Teddy Swims. But Teddy's my boy, dude. You know Teddy? Yeah. No shit. Jayton literally grew up like in Conyers, dude.

He is amazing. He's the best. I sent his, I sent a YouTube video of him years ago to my friend Callie in Minnesota. It's my dog, bro. And that's fucking, tell him he's got a fan in a heavy band.

Yeah, tell him right now, I watch it got a fan. Yo, if I show you my YouTube history from yesterday, I was watching his videos yesterday. Yeah.

They guys unbelievable. He's like the new, he's like the new revival of soul. Really? He is soulful, bro. Bro, like he is, who is, Teddy swims.

Teddy swims. He does a cover of a Bonnie Raid song. I do my, uh, my phone booth stuff. I literally go to his, studio and I track myself. Makes sense. He's fantastic. I hope

he gets more and more and more exposure. That guy's so good. He just played like the Tonight Show a couple weeks ago. He played the Tonight Show? Yeah. Good. Good. I don't know him personally but I want that dude to succeed. He's amazing. And this is country. No, that's like soul and R&B. He's literally

yeah, but I think you can do everything. He's kind of a pop artist but he's like it's very, very like gritty soul feeling. Like he has that like Honey sounding voice. You know what I mean? And then he can do like smooth. You know what I mean? That like little grit that he has like the rasp or whatever And that's all dude. He does like vibrato a lot too. He's so good. Yeah, dude Listening to him track is crazy. Dude, he literally sounds exactly like he does on the record really

There's a video of him singing with a piano in a hole and just like a regular room. I forget the song. It's on my YouTube history. Yeah. But he's just carrying and you're just like yo dude he doesn't like or he's walking. Or he's walking. in New York and he's walking by the Lion King live and Broadway and it's echoing in the halls of it. He's a beast. And you're just like, what the fuck, dude? Yeah, dude. I'm a sucker for a good singing voice. I always have been. They have pushed out of like the craziest thing too because like they used to have this little like home studio thing where they all used to live at.

And it was like 12 people or something like that. I can't remember. I might be wrong on that number. But it was a high amount of people and they were all like sleeping on couches and stuff or whatever. Just like recording music and like making the shit happen, bro. It's like crazy how he like got so big because he used to do covers online. Yep. He would do a lot of like covers and just their,

just has a great voice. That Bonnie Ray cover, bro. Yeah, bro. And he just like popped off on the internet. And now he's like, he just, I have pretty sure he's on a world tour right now. I just found,

so I was watching his videos yesterday and I found this guy from him who apparently has done stuff with another favorite artist in mine, an artist named Ritz. But this guy named Jellie Roll. He's also from Atlanta. I know Jellie Roll. Do we play it? That guy's amazing.

So my buddy Cody, who used to, who played for... You know that dude, too! Yeah, Cody Ash, dude, yeah. So, um, so Cody used to play in Silar. He played drums for Seiler. And he plays drums for, dude, I love Cody, but yeah.

His voice is ridiculous. His lyrics... Dude, yeah. Are unbelievable. Crazy. And that's like you were saying earlier, heavy music is huge now in every form of heavy.

It's so wild. Heavy lyrical content, heavy music, heavy sound, everything. Like, like, uh, there's this rapper I really like named NF. Oh, so good. Yeah, dude. Everything he writes is,

all about like therapy and personal growth and dark times and like it's gnarly stuff you know and uh music has definitely moved to not being afraid to be heavy in every essence and every way like i feel like that stuff does better i mean look at all the way more emotive for what would you call it like emo rap i guess that's what they call it like peep and all those that style or whatever juice world yeah juice world um and that xx oh xx and tasian i feel like all of that music is very very dark lyrically. Well, yeah. All of them will, I mean, dude, I was really kind of like

I was a fan. I was a fan of that genre for a minute. Especially during like the Juice world and like whenever Pete was kind of alive, I was like more into like X and juice. And both of them grew up listening to like three days grace and fucking all of these

like bands or whatever that obviously we all listened to whenever we were younger and stuff. And it was just like, I don't know. It was just like crazy how like influential, I guess, like, rock has just become in, like, the, the, like, greater scheme of, like, mainstream music. It's just fucking wild, dude. Yeah, they try to say rock is dead. I don't think rock's dead. Rock is not dead.

I'm sorry about it. Not at all. I feel like rock is a revival right now, for sure, like, full-blown revival. And, like, he's a controversial guy, right? I'll give it to him. But look at Ronnie Radke. I literally was just about to say that. Look at Ronnie Radkey, dude.

Like, I, you know, fulfill whatever you want to about him. I watched this video the other day where the guy was talking about him. Ronnie encompasses everything that's that's Rockstar He's never know what he's gonna say He's he's very very outspoken I don't give a fuck dude but honestly dude like You cannot deny the dude's talent and the fact that he's pushed rock Oh yeah with how much he has dude I mean he's literally had like the last two singles four singles

The last four singles have hit number one on Billboard Are you serious crazy first second third like he and he's like he's like in the top eight for like the top eight he has like full of the last three singles are in the top eight still one billboard right now. Yeah, yeah. And it's he beat him. He basically is just competing with himself now for a number one spot and rock billboard. It's fucked, dude. It's amazing. And like, I know people like him, hate him, whatever. That's what, that's how that goes. You can't, you can't deny that though. And not to mention he's an innovator, dude, like he was doing like the rapping in this style of heavier music before anybody else. I remember that. He had Culeo on a song. Yeah. Remember that? Yep. No.

He had Cooleo in a song? Yeah. Well, no, I think they covered. They covered it, but they also did the, the remake of it with. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy's been doing literally, like, like I said, I don't know him personally. He's definitely been innovating. I will die on that hill as well. Yes, agreed. Agreed.

But rock is huge right now. Rock is massive. And I think he's very, very much one of the reasons for that. I mean, we were just talking about it, that fucking falling into verse tours at the amphitheater. You know what I mean? Like, and it's selling out. You know what I mean? Like, that's one of those things.

Like, so. Like, that's just like, I don't, that's a, I feel like that's a testament to itself. that that amount of people are going to come and pay tickets to come see a rock show. That's not dead, bro. Sorry. I can't even lie, bro. Like, back in the suffocate days, right? Situations.

Dude. Situations are irrelevant now. It's funny. I showed everybody in suffocate that song. Dude, escape the fate was my shit. I showed everybody in suffocate that stuff. And they were all like, yeah, fuck that at first. Then we'd be on tour and I'd be playing it on the radio.

Dude, it's just a banger, dude. Everybody in the van was singing it. Dude, I'm saying it. I was like, I told you. I told you. That fucking album. His voice, man. That album, the situation with situations on the cover.

Yeah, the girl on the cover. Too good for cliche or what the fuck it's called. And then the first falling in reverse album, when he got out of prison, our God tier albums and I will die on that hill. That is like, there's two of the most influential, like, emo records ever, I feel like. He just has that voice, man. So good. And he can, he came out of nowhere fucking rapping. And I won't lie at first.

I was like, oh, what the time? I thought it was cring. to be honest. Thank you. And then you listen to you're like, all right, fuck that, this is great.

This is great. I don't give a fuck. This is great. You know what I mean? And he's busting breakdowns and the new ones that are just heavy as fuck too. And his new stuff that are charting on billboard,

there's breakdowns at the end of those songs that are heavy as fucked. Bro, voices in my head. Dude, it's nuts. And then zombofy before that, I know he got some, it's whatever people want to say about it.

Yeah, that's just because he was saying some fucking crazy shit about about cancel culture. But the thing about it is, is this genius. what he's doing is genius because you're always talking about him whether it's positive or negative he's always in the news and he's like fucking on ticot and twitch and twitch he's like one of the he's like top five twitch streamers in the world right now bro i was watching one of his one of his

reaction videos and it was part of one of his twitches yeah just like not like out of nowhere he got a thousand subs in a matter of a minute i know that's fucking wild so i mean and i my drummer too we both are just like yeah fuck it we like falling in reverse the music is great it's good it's great i don't care if you like it or don't I don't think it's lame if I like it or not. I think it's great. He's a really talented, really good artist. He writes a good talent.

He writes good songs, man. He just writes good songs, you know. People can love him or hate him, but something that you can't deny is the songs. Success, too. He puts out the art. He puts out the art. And it's dope. There it is.

You can't fucking hate that, man. His lyrics are really, dude, his lyrics, like, if you go back and you read his lyrics, you're like, holy crap, man. He's a crafter. He's a crafter, dude. It's amazing. And, like, like, with the last Suffocate record, like, I wrote it all about killing myself because I was in that mode and I wanted to do it and I attempted it a few times and whatever

and all the songs are about that and I went to therapy I'm all good now but but um yeah I'm all good now no quick no way I'm fine now real quick I'm fine now but um dude if you if you go back and you back to fun yeah back to fun right but um that got dark and real fuck sorry just like straight up way yeah so bad but that's I think why I like his lyrics so much because he's real is Fuck about this stuff. Same with your lyrics, man. You fucking really shit. Oh, I was about to say, bro, I was like, I was like, I'm laughing, but like I have 100% talked about fucking wanting to kill myself in our songs, too.

And I've, you know, been where you're at, you know what I mean? I'm not there anymore, bro. No, I feel you. I came out to that, yeah, dude. I feel like just being vulnerable, bro. Just tell them, like, talking about, don't, don't force lyrics and act like you're fucking depressed when you're not, you know what I mean? But, like...

I do worry about that. You know? I do worry that some people do that. Right, no, 100% people 100% do that. they try to pander, you know what I mean? They're like, oh, dude, a lot of people are, like, talking about how they have, you know, mental health issues or whatever the fuck, you know what I mean? And it's like, where the people who actually have mental health issues, you can tell

it, you know what I mean? Like, whenever they put it in the music, it feels genuine. You know, like, I feel like I can always kind of tell whenever things are forced. And you're like, ah, I don't know about that one. You know what I mean? But then other times whenever you, like, you can feel, you can feel fucking passionate in music, bro. That is a, that is a tangible thing you can feel.

Especially with some bands. And, like, those are the ones that, you know, you know, do good, you know what I mean? The ones that you can hook on to and you feel the emotive power of the music and the lyrics, you know? Do you ever a question for you since, you know, like me, I can't write about that shit anymore because it'll take me back there. Yeah. Like, I can't.

No, I cannot. I still cannot write about it, so I have to write about other stuff. Yeah. Do you ever have that motive where you're like, fuck, I can't write about this stuff anymore because it's going to take me to that place? Because I still, there's one song called Lost on the EP I put out that almost got me there. So, yeah. I guess for me, dude, like, I have, like, some pretty bad, like, night tear situations what I deal with all the time.

So I'm kind of just taken back there anyways. I see. So, like, writing about it, I feel, like, kind of helps me, like, because, like, I, I, I visit that spot, like, regularly. Without me trying to. You know what I mean? Like, I get, like, I'll fall asleep and, like, I'm just, like, I can't help. You know what I mean?

Like, I can't, like, it's just, like, I can't do anything about it. So whenever, like, I'm writing about it, I feel like, I'm getting. it out of my head. Like that's like, that's like where I feel like I'm like, I'm trying to like pour it out so I can like not have it when I go to sleep. You know what I mean? That's really where like a lot of like the therapy comes from for music for me is like when I'm writing because like most of our stuff will the last two EPs I locked myself in the in the studio like a little home studio and I did all of the vocals by myself like no one around. Like I had a I had that some 7B and I was recording myself for the last two.

I've always going to do that. I think that makes it so much more genuine. I was crying. I was fucking, dude, I was fucking, I was like, fucking triple taking things because I wanted it to, like, hit the right way, you know what I mean? And I was just like, I feel like whenever you, like, are kind of alone with your emotions with yourself sometimes, it's a little bit therapeutic. I'm glad for this new stuff where, like, went to an actual studio.

And, uh, but I mean, even with our last stuff, I made everyone leave the room when I tracked vocals because I just like to be alone with myself. You know what I mean? I want to be able to, like, be emotional. emotionally vulnerable when I'm like delivering lyrics and not feel like people are looking at me. You know what I mean? Because I feel like it's like it's undressing yourself a little bit. You know what I mean? You're kind of being like, yo, this is me, you know, for lack of better words, naked and afraid. You know what I mean? Like just like getting everything out there and you're just kind of like, you know, I feel like sometimes whenever I'm tracking in front of people, I feel just kind of like, you know what I mean? Like, oh, they're listening to me talk about things.

It makes you second guess yourself. Yeah, and I just want it to be, like I said, I'm a very free-flowing vibe human. Like, I believe in the vibe of a room. You know what I mean? You can walk in and feel that it's a bad vibe. You know what I mean? Or you walk in and feel like, oh, this is a good vibe. You know what I like to try to keep that vibe is like where I want it to be, you know?

That's just, I'm a weird guy, bro. No, no, that makes sense. We're all weird, dude, it's all good. That's what makes good music. Yeah, I'm a weird guy. Yeah, I was curious because, like, I've contemplated trying to ride into that shit again, and I just can't do it. Yeah, dude.

Which really sucks because, like, the people that have come up to me, like, those are the lyrics that mean a lot to them. And I'm like, fuck, I can't put myself in that place. Dude, try. I can't do it. Try doing it alone one time. You know what I mean? Try recording yourself.

I was hoping he was going to say because I don't want to say it. I want to say it. I'm just saying, I know that it's, like, kind of a sketchy thing to think about. Yeah, because I've got family and kids and a wife and shit now. But, like, if you ever get, like, a chance to go on, like, a fucking weekend vacation, take a little recording setup, bro, and just explore that for a minute. And like if it fucks you up a little bit, dude, don't don't do it. You know what I mean?

But sometimes it's therapeutic, bro. I mean, at least for me it was. You know what I mean? Sometimes you get your best shit from like fucking being a little fucked up. You know what I mean? The new stuff I'm writing right now and the new album, I don't want to give too much away. But I'm writing about a, it's all faith-based. It's all religion-based because that's my shit, right?

I'm learned it in that and I study that. But I wrote a song about my nephew who passed away at 16. Yeah. Right. he had cancer, it's like a one in a million cancer. He did bone marrow transplants and everything, and I wrote the song about it, and I kind of get vulnerable in that song.

So I think that's the stuff I can kind of touch on. When it comes more to me, like, being suicidal and shit, I don't know. But maybe I'll play around with it. I don't know. Yeah, the whole on-death EP was about, you know, my cousin dying in a fucking car accident or whatever, and that's kind of like my thing that turned my life,

I guess, a little bit, and that's like the moment that I just kind of, like it's hard for me to write about sometimes, you know, so I get where you're coming from. But being vulnerable makes the best music you are correct on that. Yeah. It is, dude. Vocals, drums, bass, wrists,

you've got a, when you're just vulnerable and you just fight, oh, this is who I am. And then you write that. People just connect to it. I mean, it's easy to connect to something, you know what I mean? So if someone being vulnerable,

you're not going to make fun of them, you know what I mean? So it's like if you're being a genuinely like, hey, man. Well, I mean, people are going to, regardless because people are just fucking brutal sometimes but you know I just feel like you know you can't deny passion you know what I mean can't you can't I want to ask you too like how do you get inspiration to write the riffs you write because they're fucking sick and I've always

wondered like do they just come to you or do you listen to other stuff yeah where do you go yeah I'm curious where do you eventually go when you're writing fan of the band for so long I'm curious that's always kind of fascinating to me about as far as like riffs and songs because we're not a singer or a vocalist. You can't really, you can't put words to it. Right. So I feel like without going to like,

I don't want to sound too like spiritual weird, but you kind of. No, no, let it flow. Let it flow. What I, what we,

like, like I go back to being like a kid, like writing like those EP songs and like, obviously that go into like the cleansing and, uh, and, and start our career. It's like,

just you take emotions and you turn those into sound somehow. Yeah. So basically like, The feel, dude. It is. Yeah. And once Mitch joined the band, like,

that was really like, okay, this is going to go somewhere. Yeah. Because he's special, man. He sang over those riffs. Yeah.

And I know where those came from. And then, like, so we had the, so we basically put our two souls into fucking one band. Yeah. Like, I was playing stuff back then that wasn't being played.

Like, it was just low, low, low tune riffs. And then, like, we can get older, you kind of pinpoint,

oh, I mean, drop A, that's just, it's who I am. am. It's just like it's the sound I have in my body. For sure. So when you hit a breakdown, which I always say like you play something that sounds heavy,

but doesn't feel heavy and it's missing that something. Yeah. But you could play something that doesn't sound too heavy, but it feels that way. So it comes off that way to like people that hear it. It's so weird. Like if you play something in a certain way, like what you're feeling, it's what I was. It's who I am. For sure.

It's the sound I have in my body. I put that onto basically like you play it. It goes through the strings, just goes through the pickup, and like basically our microphone is the speakers. Yeah. It's like whatever you're trying to say because I can't put it into words, I could put it into sounds. I respect the fuck out of that, dude.

And boom, that's just, yeah, that's badass. I got real loss of him talking to this now. I was like, fuck, this is so sick. Yeah, I'm kind of just, yeah. No, dude, that's just honestly, right? It like resonates. Well, because you're talking about tracking the EP and the cleansing and shit.

I was like, fuck, I. fucking love that shit. And just like, just getting to be like in your mind for a little second while you were talking about fucking doing that shit is so fucking cool to me. That's an album that shaped death core forever. Dude, forever. And metal. And metal in general.

Like not just even just death core. It was bigger than death core. It was metal as a whole. Metal and heavy music. Yeah, y'all change the face of that shit for sure. That changed the game, dude. Thank you. Game.

Yeah, dude. just even the video product like everything everything it was we respect you dude oh thanks man very much I respect you guys man thanks man and it's just cool to like and obviously like you get older and you could like kind of process and oh I mean

maybe like this is why things turn out that way maybe this is what people like connected to but we're it's and it's why I'm so afraid of what I am afraid of this second wave of death core and the heavy genre is I don't want it

I want this to get big so bad because of what happened to us. And like, a band that I won't name, but you probably know what I'm talking about. It's only a handful of like the ones that really are still doing it. They're older. But I had a friend give me this analogy and it's true. Like it's basically like a barrel full of crabs where crabs can get out of the barrel, but they can't because a crab will pull them back down. Oh, yeah.

Okay, okay. And like, and back. in a day this there's this ego thing and we're just guilty of it i mean just recently i approached my ego like bands wouldn't play over this band and the uh the managers got involved and when you get a certain amount of success like something happens to you and it took me fucking years to recover from and i just don't want to see it happen to like a lorna to be i'll say i'll say i'll say i'll say to a band name out loud lorna shore for sure i'm just so fucking worried like who's in who's in their ear yeah who's uh

Oh, you don't play with Suissezance because you're this band. That's all it takes to fucking ruined our culture and our genre. Yeah. And I just, I want to see the genre. I don't give a fuck who it is. Thrive, dude. I want to see it thrive. I want to see everybody come up.

Yeah. Under, and I don't care how it happens. I don't care what band does it. I don't give a fuck if it's us or if it's them or if it's someone else. You guys, I don't care. Like, that's bringing it all up. I don't want to see us make the same mistakes. For sure.

We made 15 years ago. And we're just for. and we're just now recovering from it and has nothing to do with us it has everything to do you guys the new bands are coming up and fucking killing the genre and making great songs and records now and like okay

we get a second chance let's not fuck this up again because I don't want it to be like because by the time we tour with this band it's already too late like that that magical time it's gone and I just hopefully it doesn't happen again you know division

I hope it doesn't either I feel you on that dude I feel like it won't because I'm like I said I'm just a positive person Yeah You also know those guys too So you know what kind of people are Great guys

They just yeah they just toured with them You know what I mean Like it's just like I love them I was just about to say that I don't know what happens behind the walls and shit But with with Lorna But like I definitely You know I would I would love for them

To have to break away and just have that like fucking You know what I mean They were playing Lola I think they're playing Lola I saw Lollapalooza. What the hell? Sick. Yeah.

That's great. Crazy. No, I mean, the fact that you even just said that is huge if you really break it down. Like the growth from that being like I could look at myself, I call myself out for maybe getting an ego at a time or, you know, for whatever doing this and this and that. That's pretty big, man. That self-reflection is really hard. And that's huge that you're able to do that. And I think that that's a testament to you guys being able to keep doing this.

staying humble Staying Don't let the ego Wrap you up and take you down You guys Fuck you up dude It'll fucking check your ass Quick as fuck

You guys have played some of the biggest shows If any band ever In this genre Right Yeah You played in front of how many fucking people Yeah what's the biggest show you played I don't know

One of those like European Festival is like the 30,000 plus Oh my God Bro He just says it's so nonchalant Yeah like 30 thousand plus. I just would get up there and probably pass out.

Oh my goodness. You don't see the end of it. I feel like the 30,000 people, you don't see the end of the people. You don't. You don't. It's a fucking just. My buddy, Zach, he plays in The Ghost Inside, right? You remember the Ghost Inside?

Zach's awesome. I love Zach, dude. I love all those dudes. They're also cool. But they just played this festival in Europe. I forget the name of it right now. But he posted a photo of it. And dude, there's so many people.

Like, I made this analogy, my wife thought it was funny. You know when you're cooking like ground beef in the pan? Okay, here we go. You're cooking ground beef in the pan, and you see little ridges, but it's all just nothing of specific, you know? The crowd looked like that. It was so many vast people that it looked like a... Didn't you all play a European festival recently?

I think that the best you're talking about is with full force. Full force. And we played that as one of the first. Yeah, because I was about to say, I saw pictures that y'all posted that I was like, holy shit. It's a lot of people. Yeah, fuck me, dude. That's insane. Health Feth is fucked up, dude.

They gave us, like, the same time slot as Metallica. Oh, my. That was fucked up. Dude. It was fucked up. I would have been like, I need to talk to somebody. We were so. And we did.

But that was our time slot, and we were all so worried. Who was in charge of that? What an asshole? You're like, yeah, suicide sounds going on. You're going on the same time Metallica does. Dude, fuck you. You're so fucking pissed, dude. What the fuck?

Some bad members were maybe complain about it more than others and I won't name his name. It was a singer. You understandably so, bro. I'm not trying to be best to be honest. I'm trying to compete with fucking

inner sandman. No, fucking no. That's like the number one song ever still on the fucking charts, dude. That is crazy. Did you imagine trying to compete with that? There's no way you can. There is no competition,

especially if you're in this genre. You just hear of Metallica kill. I'm only get on it. You're like, hi, everybody. Yeah, go ahead. I would get on the mic and be like, yo, guys, I know. Metallica's playing right now.

You guys can go and it won't hurt my feelings. Because I would fucking go to if I wasn't getting paid to be here. It was like the fucking dream that they took away. Oh, we played Metallica. Then we found out our slot. Talk about like your dream ripped away. Like instantly. Dude.

I just don't know if I could concentrate on stage. Yeah. I've never seen Metallica. Oh, my goodness. Me neither. I'm not the biggest fan of Metallica, right? But I want to see a lot.

But I want to see them live so bad. Dead ass. Because I heard it's amazing and it'll change you. Wow. So I would be like on stage being like I'd be like a Hey guys, can we like cut the set short so I can go check so I can watch Metallica?

Dude, but you know what, dude? The expectation was so low. It ended up being one of the best shows we had in a long, long times. We all like, you can't plan these fucking days. is when we're on stage, you just all connect. Oh, yes.

Sometimes. That was one of those days where, like, we're on it right now. Just in the pocket. We're in the pocket. We were so lucky that, like, we're lucky that it was, like, videotaped and streamed and it's getting a ton of fucking hits right now. Oh, yeah, I was watching it. And, like, we were so like...

Fuck, I must have missed that. I didn't watch that shit. I think I was on tour during it. You can't even plan that shit. And, like, I just can't believe, like, how great it was. And, like, us can you ready? And you hear, enter a Sam, and playing over across the fields. And then...

That's wild. Yo, that's a mad-ass memory, though. Yeah, honestly. The memory is so fucking cool. And then we're done and we're fucking driving back to our, our dressing room. Then it's the end of the festival. It's Sunday. So the festival's over.

Yeah. So, like, we're done at the same time. They start lighting these fucking fireworks, dude. It's this beautiful. Oh, I saw that. You're talking fireworks. I never seen that in my fucking life. They're just going crazy.

It won't stop. That's sick as fun. It was such a beautiful fucking moment and memory. Like, okay, I know. which I say this a lot to my band like I don't know shit to you like sometimes I'm like this is not gonna work and it fucking works right that moment like

none of us know shit to you we're like it's like what was the show cause couldn't do for us dude and it's done so much for us that's fucking rad it was a fucking blessing dude oh my god so cool I just can't imagine like oh that'd be so crazy God I couldn't either like trying to put myself in that moment

it's impossible just like fuck that's wild this last tour that we just did right like the first show had I think 1,500 and 78 or 80 people. Nice. It's a good show. I was nervous

and I had anxiety for two weeks before the show for that amount of people, bro. And I've paid, I've played in front of four or five times that before, right, back in Europe and Suffocate. Yeah.

We did a Heaven Shall Burn unearthed fucking tour. Nice. Massive, right? But I got fucking chills and I got so nervous before this first show and any,

and these other shows because I haven't played in front of that many people in forever. For sure. Yeah. And this guy's over here playing in front of that many people.

Yeah, that's fuck. Oh my God. Yeah. I couldn't even imagine it, but you deserve it. It was insane. A hundred percent they deserve it. Thank you. I could not imagine it.

I won't go on a store because that's a whole other podcast. Man, we've been through some shit the past few years. Like just, I mean, that's why we're kind of, even if we weren't, didn't want to be humble, we were forced to be humble. For sure. I mean, fucking. Sometimes that happens, though, and the result ends up being, I mean, look at you guys now, dude. You're doing, we're fucking great. We're playing shows.

never imagined coming back. There you go. It's crazy, dude. Muffugger's like, I'm fucking still here, pussy. Yo, real talk, one of the biggest reasons I was excited to do this podcast was to look at that fender over there.

So the whole time we're talking, I'm checking that fucking thing out. Look at that, dude. That thing is me, dude. Seven string. Made in Corona, California, which is where I'm born and raised. Yep, there you go.

Amazing. So my connection to that brand goes fucking super deep. What was that like when you started working with them? That must have been monumental. It's fucking Fender. It was insane. It's kind of one of those things where like Suza Sons says,

I mean, this guy love, love hate, but we're a band that takes massive risks. Right. And some stick. And oh my God,

that fucking cleansing. Wow, it's so great. Like, dude, like, doing that record was like, scary. Risk after risk,

nothing felt right. Like, it has been done before. Right. Like, we recorded live, stuff like that. Okay,

that hits. You do like a self-title that fucking bombs or, like, you do this. But like, with Fender, like, I did one of those like I burn my bridges I left the company I was with I don't care about free shit anymore I don't care about

Sanitary guitars I don't give up for any I don't care about having 20 guitars I want one and that's fucking it Yeah, and I took me years of talking to him I just I kind of let it up to faith my I'm gonna go for this I don't care how long it takes I want that guitar That's it's it took because they don't make sevens No it took it took me a while That's so fucking awesome they don't make seven They don't it's so bad it's kind of weird that I happen I mean to be like I

You fucking deserve the fuck out of that thing. I think it's so bad ass. I am lucky. I remember talking to the guys in my bed, actually. I'm like, yo, bro, I want to check out that seven string right over there. About how cool it is. I grew up in Fullerton, and the Fender Museum is in Fullerton. I know, yeah, that's right.

You're in Fullerton. So I played guitar in high school for four years. Wow. I'm shitty now. I'm terrible. I forgot it all. It's fucking crazy. I attribute that, I attributed to that to the 12 concussions I had in a year.

Oh, my goodness. Yes, oh, yes. But I can still fuck around on a little bit, but, like, Like, I have so much respect for guitar players in this genre specifically, too. Like, it's so hard to write this kind of music and not have it sound like anybody else. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. And I guess the same could be said about vocalists and lyrics and everything else.

Like, I've found other artists that we write very similar and we don't even know each other. But, like, guitar players, dude, like, even though I listen to drums first and then vocals, guitars make the song. They push and drive the song, right? So the melody. The fact that you guys are able to write. stuff that that is original and unique is fucking amazing it's it's so mind-blowing to me because I've never been able to do that right you know other than lyrics

or whatever and like I said a lot of lyricists write the same especially in this genre write the same types of things because it fits the music so well yes right and we don't do it on purpose or anything else the copy paste method yes exactly but like the guitar is monumental to death core it's huge to death core it is it's huge to metal in general and rock and everything else I mean like you know I can Paul McCartney recorded the first feedback on purpose So good of anybody else so wild the engineer wanted to take it out and he said no I'm gonna leave it I forget what song it was on now but like that's huge think of how that shaped music in general

Jimmy Hendricks feedback oh yeah right everybody else even today in our music now so i i have the biggest respect for guitar players used to want to be like stevie rave on when i was younger younger but like i i fucking as soon as we walked in that was the first thing I saw. I looked in there and I was like, yo, let me see that fender. It might have was the corn picture. Well, I didn't know the corn picture was there until you fucking told me. I looked at the corn shit and I was like, God, yeah.

Oh my goodness. I'm such a corn stand, bro. We all are honestly. My whole band literally loves corn, dude. Like all of my favorite band. I think it shows in your music too for sure that you like all of our leads. Same with you guys obviously. Okay, so I want to wrap up the podcast,

but I want to wrap it up with, okay, so you guys really lean into like the new metal. stuff. I went on your IG page and says new core. Yeah. Is that like, is that like a, is that like a recent thing or is that like something that you guys coined it or someone else coined it? I haven't seen anybody else to it. We just kind of did it because it felt right. You know what I mean? Because it was at first we were like a new death core band. And then it was just like death. We have death core aspects about us, but I just don't think we're a death core band. You know what I mean? Like I feel like we have a lot of death core like tendencies. Yeah. But as a incumbent. And come

I don't think that we're like a death. We are like a core band. You know what I mean? We're like metal core, hardcore, death core kind of like feeling at different times. Like every song changes a thousand times, I feel like. Interesting. But it's all very new metal driven. You know what I mean?

Like we have like the weird sense and the weird leads and like the fucking like hip hoppy fucking like vocal delivery and shit or whatever. Like kind of throughout our music as a theme. So we're kind of. So yeah. So we kind of just kind of coin the whole new core like feel like because that's just what we are. were like a core band with like new metal tendencies so we're just a new core band. Wow.

I mean, that's the vibes I got the first time I heard you. A lot of people like point out the corn influence or whatever because of the leads that they write. Yeah, I love it. It's very like, do you know what I mean? Like very. I was like, oh, fuck shit, dude. Yeah, dude.

I love that shit, dude. You get it, dude? I feel like those little leads like speak to your soul, bro. They do, man. They just like. They fucking cut. Yeah, dude. And honestly, like the stuff that we were, we were

recorded out here the 8th uh the lp that we just uh tracked or whatever we leaned very hard into that i hear it i hear it but most importantly you feel it yeah bro it's cool well that's all it's about bro music is emotion man it is if you don't feel it there's no point of you doing it damn talk about a closer yeah drop the mic you throw it bam done it's like four hundred oh my god dude holy shit well i want to call this podcast the heaviest podcast of all time so it's uh it's honor and you guys made it happen i got to credit you rickie to this is your idea yeah oh thank you thank you to have this is like the first like collab where it's you know it's three different bands on the same conversation very

cool man very cool and then that was all you motherfucker i was like damn i i i don't yeah man i just i like to do fun stuff with my friends so i was like yo taylor you wanted to because you were like i wanted to do tailors and i was like let's just do it together and just have a cool chill session. Taylor's a cool cat. Yeah. Garters is a cool cat. All about the vibes, dude.

I think I'm a cool cat. Let's do it. Love you guys, man. Dude, love you too, brother. I'm going to make the shit two parts. It's going to come out this Monday and next Monday. Yeah, because we went pretty long. It was a good one.

I said, yeah, fuck, how long are you? Over two hours. Holy shit. Sorry listeners, but it's just getting to hang. All right, first, Taylor, where can people find you? We're on all social media, left to suffer, pretty much on anything. There's no anything else. Just an ad left to suffer.

I'm also Taylor Suffers on all social media platforms. Instagram, TikTok, the whole nine. The whole nine yards. Cool. Same with Of Sulphir. We got Instagram. I have a personal one. I am Ricky Hoover.

I got a TikTok. I am Ricky Hoover. Spotify, YouTube, all of the streaming platforms. Apple music, all that stuff. If you aren't catching me and Ricky playing songs together for these three days, you guys missed out. Yes. The next three days, do tight, your reaction.

Me and Zach the kid are going. Sick. and we're gonna time to throw down baby I'm fucking I'm ready to feel it dude for some gutter rolls dude I'm ready to

I'm really glad I'm not going I'm glad I'm really early before you because shut the fuck up I'll just say that bro I'll say no no no I'm saying it oh man

stop being positive dude I'm fucking I love you guys I love you guys I love you guys up all time part one next week coming next week so everyone I appreciate it love it

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