Garza Podcast - 38: MUSE Goes Deathcore?

Episode Date: July 25, 2022

GaЯza & Zack The Kid react to Muse using a deathcore slam in their new song “Kill or Be Killed” Having a Gojira influence, what it all means!? and much more. SPONSORS: emgpickups.com Promo Code: Heavy 15% OFF! distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF!

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This episode is going to be called MuseGo Sethcore and we're going to approach that later. Oh yeah. Can't wait to jump into that. But real quick, something exciting happened with the podcast. And it's when you were on your trip, but I was just randomly, just randomly, you know, I don't know what made me. I was going to go on the Spotify charts. I'm going to see who's charting on the podcast music charts. I'm going and I come up in top 40, and there we are. insane i was like what the what the fuck dude that's so wild i cannot believe it yeah no i was like in

the middle of my shoot and i saw you posted that and i almost wanted to stop the shoot and just be like dude what the hell that's insane insane it's definitely something that i was not expecting at all it was it was literally i felt disbelief and i did start to cry a little bit dude that's amazing it was that's insane i did not expect that at all yeah man especially this early on, you know, we're just getting started with this. So it's so cool that, you know, the perception is already that good. Yeah. It's amazing.

So, I mean, shout out to the watchers. You guys are amazing. Yeah, thank you for watching, listening. We're on top 40 now. It's fucking nuts. And if you look into, which I'm not hating on it, if you look at anyone in the 30s or the 20, top 10, especially top 10, like 95% of all those podcasts, they're all science. to it agency right they're all signed to either like it could be not fest or it could be uh i heart radio or us spotify exclusive podcast these are all they're all signed yeah exactly we're not

that's we're independent that's is us yeah that's see that that makes it even even crazier it's nuts yeah and it was it was a decision made very early on where like you know i probably could make some phone calls and probably signed somewhere maybe get like a little you know boost here and there but i'm like Yeah. I want to keep this legit and real as possible, whole way. Because then we can be as authentically ourselves as we want, right? Yep. You know, there's no one in our ear telling us.

No, you should go in this direction. Nothing. It's just whatever we want to do. Yeah. You know, shout out to obviously the goat Joe Rogan, and I was overheard him talking to Biller. And he spoke on this on many occasions, but like, you know, don't sign away anything. Yeah. And since day one, I really truly kept what he said,

like to heart. Like, all right. I mean, no matter how much it sucks. And trust me, it's sucked. I want to quit this many times. It gets rough. I mean, you listen to a podcast or watch one, oh, wow, it's cool. But when you actually start doing it, you're like, what the fuck?

This is a lot. It's a whole thing, for sure. I'm still on the top ramen diet. Shout out to you a top ramen. That shit tastes good, dude. I'm loving it, dude. Have you done the fried egg inside yet? Yep.

I do the, what's the one that starts with the M? Marijan. Yes. Yeah. So you could get the 12 bag pack for like three bucks and 90 cents, which is like the cheapest that you can find as far as food. My dude, that's my breakfast lunch for a whole week. Yeah.

I do that. Get the fucking cheapest eggs. Put one egg in there. Yeah. You know, boil the water. Soft boil it. Boom. There it is.

It's so bomb. It tastes great. Yeah. And I see why people do it. it tastes good it's cheap yeah and you can make it gourmet with like just a couple of ingredients yeah yeah yeah you know uh there some mushrooms in there some chives yeah that's when the podcast starts making a little a little bit more money they also i started buying some mushrooms and some onions so i'd throwing that in the yeah in the ramen you know if you feel i feel a little bit more tired

it's fine little little your romans are just going to become gourmet and then that's going to be a different segment of the podcast is like Chris Garza makes gourmet ramen at home. Oh yeah, that's it. It tastes great. So if you're, if you happen to be in a pinch with with money or you want to save money or you're trying to buy something, you know, I mean, it's, it's a massive difference when you go to the grocery store and oh shit, I'll, I'll buy ramen. And I saw that, I went up to pay and I was like, oh, this is a game changer. I fucking spent, fucking less than 10 bucks. I'm at the grocery store right now. This is a massive help. Yeah, no, that is amazing because I'm not going to lie. Lately, I haven't even been

buying groceries because they're so expensive now that I feel like just getting food takeout is like the same thing. Pretty close. Getting it like already prepared. Yeah. You know, like you'll spend roughly the same because I don't know about you, but every time I go to the grocery store and get all the things I need, I'm spending like 150, 200 bucks.

Easy. Easy, dude. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. And, you know, correct me if, if I'm wrong, but, you know, I think ramen's probably the cheapest option and also I think the cheapest pizza bang for a buck is called Tony's pizza

oh Tony's yeah yeah it's like I think comes out to like 350 for a pizza and you cut that in a half that's two meals yeah so boom you have like you live life on the edge you know okay you have like you know dinner for this day and dinner for that day yeah you know that comes out to 350 let's say that's 175

for dinner right there boom yeah so hopefully Hopefully those tips help you. Over here in California, we have Vons. That tends to be like a little bit on the deal route. Little things, you look up deals or you sign up for that particular market. You get the card or you sign up your phone number. You get like the rewards.

That shit adds up and you save money. Yeah. Just choose a spot and I found the cheapest place around my area. And I went with my girlfriend a few times to the grocery store. I'm like, okay, where is the cheapest food? Yeah. And she's like, are you going to eat that? I'm like, yeah.

Why not? She's like, but yeah, but you're going to feel like shit. I'm like, so? So what? You're like, it's going back in the podcast. It's cool. Yeah, I mean, do you want me to buy more expensive food or you want me to not have a podcast? I mean, that's just that that's where we're at.

One or the other. Oh my God. You know what? Dude, that's awesome. It is undeniable. And again, correct me if I'm wrong, that. Guinea ramen, cheap pizza, beans, rice, you name it. It's just, it's undeniably cheaper than eating healthy.

Oh, for sure. Healthier. I mean, it's just when I saw that, I'm seeing these final prices when I'm at checkout, it's just like, dude, I don't know, like, another way to eat healthier. I mean, it's so much cheaper. No, it really is. honestly my move lately i think i told you last time we were getting dinner um i'll go to like i'll go to like a Thai food place where like the the plates are like 10 bucks but they give you like huge portions so you're essentially getting like two or three meals for 10 bucks great which is it's literally

cheaper than the grocery store wow and it's obviously delicious food like Thai food is incredible of course you know so that's been my loophole lately is like supporting the mom and pop you know like Asian restaurants. Yep. That will, like, serve you, like, a big serving and hook you up. Oh, shit. Yeah, so that's been my move. And it's honestly, I think I'm going to continue doing that until, like, grocery prices go down.

Yeah. Or until we hit top 10 in the podcast and I could give Zach the kid a raise. There we go. See, Zach, he's young and vibrant. He's a buying new shoes. She's going on on on dates. Come on. Come on.

I'm done my life. I'm fucking. I have a girlfriend. I'm older. I'm not shot yet. Yeah. You know, you're not, you're not me yet, dude. It's so good.

You went out on a trip, right? Yeah, I went to Ohio. How was that? Cincinnati, shout out, Censee. Cool. It was cool, man. It was like, it was fun. It's like, it's, it's, I love going to, like, smaller towns like that.

And, you know, given they have their downtown area, like, metropolis area, too. Yeah. But I love that, like, when I was there, everyone knew everyone. and everyone was so nice, like, you go to, like, the liquor store, they know you. You go to, like, the local, like, Chinese restaurant. They know you, and they hook you up. Yeah. We got, like, free root beers because, you know, the drummer for the band, shout out Young Mosh, shout out Max, you know, knew the owners.

Wow. You know what I mean? So it was so cool to get that, like, it's kind of like hometown treatment. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, those cities are still out there. Yeah. Totally.

And it's cool. I love traveling because I'm the kind of person where, like, if I do the same thing over and over, the repetition kind of gets to me. So I love traveling because I just love seeing new things, just a fresh view. Yeah. I think really inspires me. Totally. You know, so like anytime I leave California, I always come back feeling really refreshed. That's great. You know, because then I'll come back to it feeling like, oh, okay.

I do love California, but I needed a reminder. You know, I needed to experience something different for a couple days and then come back to it. You have to, and you got to get your human. We're all human. You got to get reminded. You know, shit. You live in California. You got that reset.

Now you're inspired and now you're going to, now your works for me better. Yeah. You know? Exactly. It's cool to get that step away, especially in a place like Ohio when, yeah, a little bit more slower-paced. Yeah. Probably helps you clear your head a little bit, have fun. 100%.

So, yeah, no, it was, it was cool, man. I really liked it. We filmed at this venue called the Machby. Machby, okay. Yeah, and it's pretty much, it's like at the edge of downtown Cincinnati. And it was so cool because it's like the guys who were running it were telling us that back in like the 1800s, it was actually like a speakeasy brewery. Oh, okay.

People would like knock on the door when alcohol wasn't allowed and they sneak up to the top and drink beers up there. Wow. And they showed us the room. and then we actually got to film in this they have literally like a skate park that looks like Tony Hawk game like the old school PS1 Tony Hawk games

Yeah Like a like a cool skate park with like a half pipe And then like a like a ramp that goes to the top of the ceiling Yeah it was insane That's fucking cool Yeah so we filmed in there We got B-roll of like actual skaters skating in there Yeah

Busting tricks and stuff So that it's little things like that Where it's like you literally don't have that in California There's no place where that exists. Really? You know, where there's a venue and a little hidden skate park on the third floor. Wow. Yeah.

So that's what I love about cities like that is the history and just the exclusivity of like, well, if you know the guy that runs this place, he'll show you this cool secret skate park that no one knows about. Wow, a secret skate park. Yeah, because a lot of people that live there didn't even know what to exist. The band didn't even know it existed until, like, we literally got there to scout the location. Really? Yeah, and the owner is like, oh, you guys are going to check out this. Wow. So we changed the storyline to include the skate park, like, on the spot.

That's crazy. And they're from that area, and they didn't even know. That's the craziest thing. Wow. Is, yeah, they learned some things on that trip, too. And they were, like, born and raised there, pretty much. That's a trip. Yeah, it's wild.

Yeah, you taught me about. the speak-easy bars and places. I'm like, speak-easy, what does that fucking mean? Oh, yeah. Yeah, little hidden spots. Yeah, it's kind of like a, it's a funny concept. But I like it just because, I don't know. It's like, if I'm going to go out to a bar, I like a theme.

It just makes it, like, more of an adventure. Yep. You know, like, I love, there's even spots where, like, there's one in Pasadena it's just called the speakeasy. Yeah. And you have to email them, like, in the morning, right? Yeah. And if you're lucky, they'll email you back the password.

And then you go to like the back door behind the venue or the bar and you knock. And then, you know, a guy comes to the window, like the little window in the door. He's like, what's the password? And you tell them and then he lets you in. Holy shit. What time do they close? Places like that. It's usually like a regular bar like 2 a.m.

Really? That they close late. Wow. Is there like speakeasies at like they close at like fucking 5 or 6 a.m.? or they never close at all? Um, so yeah, so there's, there's stuff like that, but that, I guess they consider that like an afters bar. Okay. You know, so it's, it's not, it's not legal, right?

Whoa. But, um, but yeah, it's like, you know, like, if you come out of the club, a lot of times, though, like, people have, like, a little flyer or whatever. Yeah. It would just be, like, a warehouse. It'll basically be, like, 1720. Okay. You know, but, like, an underground version of that. Interesting.

And I've, I've been to shows like that, too. where it's not a real venue. A lot of times there's not even a stage. They just set up a PA. It's just some random warehouse in downtown LA in the industrial area. Oh. And those will go all night.

Yeah. You know, and the cool thing about those that kind of ties into the theme of this podcast is there's a lot of like mixed genres at those kind of shows. Nice. Yeah. So I've seen like Slay Squad

and a couple other, you know, mixed genre artists at shows like that. where it'll be a trap metal artist and then literally like a death core band and then uh like a just a pop singer whoa like you'll you'll catch like six seven different genres in the same show that's fucking sick yeah which i don't think would really fly at a traditional venue like i don't think a promoter at a traditional venue would book that yeah you know but but in these particular places it just happens to work yeah just because there's not like a huge risk you know they don't have like a big over head where if the show doesn't go well

it's not a huge deal yeah but honestly a lot of those shows are packed really yeah a lot of those you show up and it's like shoulder to shoulder wow you know because it's it's kind of I think it's like the new wave of music where like it is you know like when

when I see like Gen Z kids like on whether it be TikTok Instagram whatever talking about music I don't think they even think about genres yeah you know Like I feel like they just look at music as music and it's more of like vibes. Like, oh, I want music for this kind of emotion or this kind of energy.

And they're not looking at it. Well, it's death core. It's rap or it's trap or whatever. It's pop punk, you know. It's more of just like a music for certain purposes, you know. Wow. I mean, in a crazy way, isn't that how music is originally what's supposed to be like intended to? Oh yeah, I mean, do you want a certain vibe?

They just play that band. Yeah, exactly. Wow, it's going to talk about full circle, man. It is weird, right? Because, like, when all these bands that created genres started, you know, like, all the early Death Corps bands, it's not like, despised Icon was like, oh, yeah, we're making Death Corps right now. Yeah.

They were like, we're just going to make some crazy, heavy music. Yeah. It's going to blow people's minds, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that term didn't exist. Yeah, or, like, you know, like three years. Six Mafia. Yeah.

They didn't guess that they were going to create SoundCloud rap, inadvertently, without realizing it. Insane. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's so weird how that works. It's nuts, huh? Yeah.

Well, Zach the Kid, of course, you have a perfect segue. So, have you heard that new Muse song? Yeah, I have. Shout out to Muse, man. Shout out to Muse. That song, I just stumbled across it. I'm getting older, so my days are kind of fucked up. But yesterday, that song, Kill or Be Killed.

Yeah, I love that title, by the way. It was, yeah. What does that set? That title kind of comes from somewhere, huh? I mean, I'm not going to say it's connected or not connected, but there is a spite song with literally the same title. Oh, my goodness. So, you know, maybe spite, Spite Muse Tour coming soon. We'll see.

That'd be sick. How hard would that be? Well, I mean, my first thought was like, okay, which kind of ties into my tentative title for this episode, like Muse Ghost Death Corps. Yeah. Because they have literally a slam. Yeah. I don't know where. I was like, is that it?

It's, I don't know. It's crazy. And like the intro is like a, it's like you heard Gorger a few times and like you've all you got inspired for a song and you wrote that that intro. Like, you know, like there's this. Yeah. Like, that's like, that's like Gojira's first album, too. It's not even like the recent stuff.

You know what I mean? Like, that's straight up like, okay, I did get, so I found the song because, you know, I did get sucked into the clickbait. Some website said, music goes heavy. I'm like, all, what the fuck you're doing? You know, my, my inner 13-year-old gaykeeper,

hater came out for like a, for a fucking half a second, dude. And now I was like, okay, Okay, whatever. Then I played it on YouTube. I listened to it. I mean, cool, this is a great song. It's a fucking phenomenal song.

Yeah. And then this bridge comes on and this fucking slam comes on. And I started a head banging. Yeah. And it's, it's this part right here. That's a very advanced slam. Like, that's a straight up death core slam. Yeah.

Like, again, I asked you earlier, I don't know if this is me talking for my ego, but that's like, that's a fucking suicide silence. That's totally an SS riff. 100% I was like, um, I loved it. Yeah, I love it.

I was in my garage by myself, I started head banging. I was like, ooh, fuck yeah, dude. That's so beefy, dude. It was a fucking sick ass trip, dude.

Yeah. Shout out to Mews. And, shout out to Mews for sure. Yeah, their singer, songwriter, guitar player,

I mean, Matt, I mean, you're talking like a musical songwriting beyond genius. Yeah. I mean, his,

I mean, the work for Mudes, I mean, speaks for a, itself. Changed rock forever. I mean, forever.

I mean, and there's something about a three piece band dude. Yeah. This is a three piece in there. I don't know.

I can only imagine like if you're playing you pretty much dominated like the pop thing. Yeah. You're at the top. And where else do you

do you go? How else do you experiment? You know? Yeah. I mean, what better thing you do? There are one of fucking SS slam.

No, it's perfect. It's so. It's fucking. perfect, dude. I love it's that trademark slam too. Yeah. Like that chromatic scale thing. It's just like, dude, it's so funny. You know, because they could have done like, you know, like, and shout out like nickel back and like bands like that where like they'll throw like a heavy breakdown kind of thing in there. Yeah. That's different than this. This is like a straight up like death metal slam riff. It is.

Which is so, it's just so like out of place but cool at the same time. And I think it really just goes to show How far we've come in music where, like, again, like I said earlier, I don't think genres exist. Yeah. I think that's done. You know, if you listen to what Brighman the Horizon is doing now, we're like literally every single is a completely different genre. Yeah. You know.

And the fans love it. I think we're finally at a point where, like, people are ready for that. You know, like, they're ready for, like, just something new from everyone. True. And it's funny. I mean, I think, like, I think. like heavier bands has been stealing from hip hop pop name it for a long time

so why so why can't a band like Muse borrow from the heavier side kind of flip it right why not you know yeah and it makes sense I'm sure I'm sure they've seen like like you know like slip knot or a band or bring me at like a festival that maybe they're on the same lineup on yeah and they see the crowd response

they're like oh dude we why don't why don't we do this there's nothing stopping us totally you know why not you're you're fucking amuse man who cares do it that's the beauty is when you're at that level which i'm sure this is how bring me feels about it too it's like we're at the point where we it'd be a crime to not experiment yeah you know yeah because you have the ability you have the fan base where your fans are at least going to give it a chance no matter what absolutely you know and uh and we're very similar which is why i think it's good that we're talking about it is like you know I'm on a gatekeeper I don't really like you know

obviously now you're having like the death mental logo thing go it's just everywhere yeah uh celebrities are wearing like death mental t-shirts you have muse doing uh suicide sound step death court breakdowns now I mean it's just like I think it's fucking all badass I think it's cool I think uh if I'm gonna be honest like I'm proud like that this is where the genre is going. Like, dude, I mean, for a amount that massive deal apart like that, it's pretty fucking sick.

That's incredible. It's just a testament to how powerful this music is. You know, that you guys helped create. So weird. I mean, it's like we're talking about in the last solo episode. I mean, it's literally worldwide

to the point where everyone has heard death core. Like, there's not one person alive that hasn't at least heard a riff from a heavy band's song, you know. Yeah. Even if they were, it was a car passing by down the street, you know. It's pretty crazy, huh? It's literally like universal worldwide.

Everyone knows what that is. It's crazy, man. And you're right. I mean, everyone at some point has probably heard of fucking slam riff. Yeah. They've heard a gutterole, you know. They've heard a Taylor Barber gutter roll. Dude, so good, man.

Yeah. I learned so much from our last two episodes with Ricky and Taylor. Like they, uh, Ricky mentioned a band, not a band, but a hip-hop artist called NF. Oh, yeah. And I was like, and our manager Jerry texts me and saying, oh, dude, that podcast is sick. I started listening to NF. You should check him out. So I just got, I just missed it because there's so much information that you miss.

Yeah. So he reminded me, oh, shit, so I checked out NF. What massive following? We're talking, I think, 9 million and 12 million followers or monthly listeners on Spotify, a massive artist. And he's a white hip-hop artist, rapper. And dark rap, really personal connective lyrics. I'm not sure the word connect is even a word, but I mean, it's like, that she was hitting me. I was like, oh, this is the kind of shit I like from like rap.

This is like sick. More vulnerable, vulnerable kind of music. Very, very vulnerable. And then, uh, uh, uh, very vulnerable. Mike and then Ricky and Taylor mentioned City Morg

Yeah Very very heavy I love city morgue Yeah I think what Zillikami's doing Especially He's one of the members Of City Morg

Yeah He has literally a grunge album out Really Where he's doing like It literally sounds like Modern Nirvana With like You know

With like electronic production beats Really? Yeah But he has this natural Raspby voice Yeah So it It doesn't feel forced.

You know what I mean? It doesn't feel like, oh, I'm just going to make this grunge thing. It feels so like, if this came out in the 90s, I would have believed it. Really? So, man, it's so cool.

Like, just, that's what I love about the rap world is I love hearing rappers perceptions of genres that already exist. But when they put their spin on it, it feels like something completely fresh, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. So I'm excited to, see like what those guys do in the future because I mean so far they're killing it you know it's great and it's it's heavy and it's it's heavy as fuck it's this isn't in the yeah it's because it's not you know blast beats and slams I mean it's it's just it's heavy yeah no it's like I love what Taylor said in the last podcast about like you know he said he worked at the masquerade yeah and like you know when he worked those like trap metal shows he would see basically a modern version of what a scene kid is.

You know what I mean? Wow. Like a kid that would listen to like SS or like Korn Effects or one of those bands. But like now they go to trap metal shows instead because that's just that's the what where the music is going. So gnarly dude. Yeah. Holy shit.

And I've seen that too. Like I went to that show with suicide boys and turnstile. Same thing. Every kid there, whether they're listening to rap or rock, it's like I know. know that they're the same kind of kid that would have grown up listening to like deathcore and metalcore but because they grew up you know where it's like more it's like aggressive hip hop instead of aggressive rock you know that's just what they happen to be into but it's the same it's the same kid from you know same same same kid as the kid they grew up in the early 2000s with corn and stuff

like that whoa you know but it's a new version of that i would say that's a trip huh it's crazy to see It seems people just like aggressive. No matter of way it is, it has to be aggressive. Yeah. Because it's that primal thing that we were talking about last time too. Yeah. Everyone has that.

And if you, you know, if you've had like a hard week or a hard day, there's just something very satisfying about hearing like a hard drop. Yes. Whether it's like drums or like a scream over a beat or like whatever it might be, there's something about that really impactful riff or sound

or whatever it might be that it just, like our monkey brains just love it. Yeah, I totally agree. And that's what I think I mean, I call that heavy. If it hits you in a certain way, that's just... Yeah, I mean, even pop artists can have heavy parts.

Absolutely. You know? 100%. Yeah, like, I've heard Halsey songs where I'm like, there's no guitar in this, but this is heavy. Yeah. Like the way she's delivering her vocals

like it's basically metal. So good, man. You know. Wow. Well, I think we covered a lot. Yeah. Yeah, man. I kind of want to publicly say that, well, I think this might be, you know, a hot take or like us going out on a limb.

But, you know, I definitely support Mews and Matt. This is, I think what they're doing is fucking sick. Yeah. I'm not a gatekeeper at all. I think they should, whatever they want to do, you know, do it. Yeah, for sure. But I think if you're Matt, you know, maybe. name a couple bands here and there

you know just throw just throw something some light you know I'm not the kind of guy that I don't care about song titles or you know every record you know that was me when I was 15 I'm not the guy anymore dude I'm 36 I forget album titles and songs

I wear shirts now just to support right now I'm wearing a left-and-suffer shirt shout out I'm down to support the scene and the culture and blow the shit up and whoever does it great so but when you're in that kind of I mean when we were in that massive of a band you know what I'm saying?

Yeah can you yeah exactly it's not even gatekeeping it's just like recognizing that that's such a huge opportunity you know like if you named any band you know as as the lead vocalist of Muse you could change their whole career just see what that sounds

yeah just you know you just go on Twitter and just type suicide silence No context and just enter That's all you have to do If you're listening watching Can you just Does he have a Twitter?

Instagram? He does right? He probably Yeah he has an Instagram for sure Hit this pool up Say fucking tag guards or tag the band And say dude what's up It could be no context It could just be like a black screen

Yeah And just tagging suicide silence You guys would overnight Just like triple your fan base That'd be great Maybe by then I won't have to buy ramen all the time. And I'll be fucking sick, dude.

Or you get at mushrooms now. Oh, my, I'm going to buy mushroom and onions. Well, that's a great goal. Yep. Well, shout out, Matt. What you're doing is sick. Come on a podcast, motherfucker. Come on the pod, man.

We're ready. Holy shit. Well, I'm glad you had a cool trip. Yeah, man. And it really ties in to what we're saying earlier. Again, thank you for listening and watching. I did not expect this podcast a chart so, early.

I mean, I don't want to be cheesy, but we would not be here. We weren't listening, watching those, that past two episodes with Taylor and Rick, you really,

I noticed numbers start shifting. Yeah. People are listening and watching because of you and, and Zach, you know, every week keeping the ship going.

Yeah, man. Keep, keeping me focused and helping me learn. And I, I can't, I really can't believe it. you know it's fucking nuts it's nuts and it's it goes to show

if again you look at the other podcasts they're not even even I don't think they're even of rock it's it's all based on hip hop not hating but it's like it's very they're all a top 10 shit and the top 20 even 30 that we're on right now yeah it's all very mainstream

right and the fact that like well I'm right behind like Alex Baldwin I don't even know we had a podcast I saw that you were above Questlove which is insane yeah that's like And you're talking like... And he's the Tonight Show's drummer. That's like, dude, that's, that's, I heart radio.

That's fucking massive. Yes, yes, massive backing. We don't have that. Exactly. But we have you guys. So that's actually more massive. You really put that into like a full perspective. And that's like, this is gonna happen even like a few years ago.

Yeah. I mean, so when bands like music are playing slam breakdowns, it's a fucking big deal, man. That means people are listening and people care. It's so fucking crazy. Yeah. Heavy music is, it was definitely, uh, at a time, it was a joke to if you're outside of this art culture it is kind of looked down upon but just to see it keep getting light and keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger is fucking nuts dude it yeah it's it's so

cool to like growing up where like that was considered just like you know like the average public just looked at that as like crazy people music or whatever yeah and now it's like fully accepted and people don't even question it now they don't yeah it's amazing to watch as someone that grew up with it. It's incredible. It's fucking nuts, dude. Fucking heavy music is in, dude. All right, everyone. Well, thank you for listening and watching again.

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Fucking nuts. It only took us four years to get back there. But hey, we're back. We're eating ramen. We don't give a fuck. We're getting sick. And that's okay. It's okay.

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