Garza Podcast - 39: ALPHA WOLF

Episode Date: August 1, 2022

Alpha Wolf is an Australian metalcore band originally from Burnie, Tasmania. We talk how drinking Jack Daniel's helped write the metalcore anthem "Akudama" Bring Me the Horizon going heavy and much more! SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB ALPHA WOLF IS: Lochie Keogh, Sabian Lynch, John Arnold, Scottie Simpson and Mitch Fogarty

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Shout out. Metallica, great whiskey. Cheers for having us. Any time. You guys are fucking heavy, dude. Cheers. There it is. Oh, that was whiskey. Sick.

Yeah. So I saw you. Yeah. So I saw you guys at Chamber Action about two days ago. Holy shit. It was awesome dudes. Thank you. That was nuts.

Crazy venue that one. Crazy, crazy venue. I used to watch videos at that place when I was like 16. Really? I would love to. play this place. Yeah, that's like the iconic, you know. It is. And the first time you rock up and you're like, oh wow, it's just a shop front. The sign out front is so funny. It's just like, this is a laundromat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The weird like cursive font on it. It's just like,

unassuming. I would assume, because you know the sign, the chain reaction sign that's like behind the stage. Yeah. I would assume they would use the same one out front. Yeah. Don't. Like it's completely unassuming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty funny. And then you go in that building is so much fucking history do that. The walls are sick. Like the t-shirts. Yeah, I love those t-shirts for

other than posters. Yeah, yeah. I don't think I ever picked up on that from the videos. Like, I just... Yeah, neither. Because the videos are just from the same angle

of the stage or whatever. You can barely make the shirts out. Then you go in there and it's like, fuck. Like, just bands you've forgotten about. Like, just plastered all over the joint. It's sick. And you guys play there,

this was your second time being there, correct? Yep, yep, yep. Cool. We're trying to come back as much as possible now. The fans are crazy here. So it's like,

Like, you know, we'll keep feeding that. Even the first time we played was the very last show of tour, was it? Yeah. So that was, yeah. It felt very like, whoa. We finally made it. To change reaction. Wow.

Yeah. And then we played it like five shows in on this tour. Still six. Still six. Still six. Still six. So you guys are five shows. I mean, I was looking at your touring schedule.

I was like, oh, these guys were serious. Yeah. You guys were in the States for another month and a half. Yeah. And then you're going out somewhere else. Like, dude, I mean, after a month of, of doing, especially this kind of music, is extremely difficult.

And I saw your tour on schedule, I just felt for all you guys. Especially you. Yeah. I think the one that we're on right now is like, I think it's been scheduled around the vocalists or whatever, because it's like three days on one day off. That's pretty nice. And then as soon as we like finish this tour,

it's up shit creek, like it just gets harder and harder. But yeah, like, we make it work. Like, it's a support tour, so it's not that hard to get through. It's all right. It's the longest time we've ever spent away from home. We're not going home in between Europe and America air shows. So we fly from USA to Europe, to the Europe tour, and then go home. Yeah.

So we're away for like three months. It's like 12 and a half weeks or something. Wow. Yeah. How are you guys feeling? Fucking weird, man. It's so sick, though. I feel like we know we have to pace ourselves a little bit.

It's like, we will have like preemptively like being like, it's going to be a long time. So it's like, it feels alright so far. It's also what, not even two weeks in? Yeah. Yeah, still feel like to start. We're a week in. And it's like, all right, you know.

Talk to us in eight weeks. We'll be like, give me the fuck home. Yeah, literally. Yeah, wow. But even our first couple days here, we were just like, it doesn't feel like it didn't hit any of us. And I don't think it has yet. Not at all.

No, no. I think in five weeks when we're just like, fucking seven more weeks, what do you mean? But like, but we haven't been to Europe in three years, so I think going to Europe is going to be nuts. That would be easy, I reckon. Yeah. Yeah, how fucked? Three years.

I haven't heard the new album, man. Yeah. New album. I haven't seen. I hope that's old. That one. Yeah, you got to go out there at least like once a year. Yeah.

Germans will forget about your ass, man. Yeah. And they'll be put, and they'll be honest with you, which is great. Yes. Where have you been? Yeah. You guys suck. You're so much better.

You were so much better last time. Got a little bit. Can we do a quick intro of you guys? Yeah, sure. Hey, yo, what's up? I'm Lockie. I do the singing vocals. Vocals, bro.

I'm Sabian. I'm guitarist. I'm Scotty. I'm the guitarist. I'm John. I play bass and backing vocals. Drum. Yeah, Mitch.

Mitch doesn't have a name. Mitch Drum. Mitch on drums. Yeah. And you guys started in 2013, correct? Who's the founder? Is it you or a post? Yeah, John and I, we had a deathcore band before this band.

John was the guitarist and I played drums. Fun fact, we covered unanswered a lot. Yeah, a lot. Yeah, we did. Wow. Holy shit, that's fucking nuts. Obviously a staple back then. But that band kind of fell apart.

We're real sad about it. We wanted to really push music for ourselves. Yes. The other members, kind of like, you know, got married, moved away and we can't do it anymore. So we're like, oh, we'll keep this band going, don't care, we couldn't find members. We couldn't find more deathcore members in our small hometown. So we started a new band, like a hardcore band, got some dudes in.

And stayed in our little hometown for about, what was it, four or five years playing local shows. I ended up moving away to Melbourne and tried to just bring us over there. I was like, you know, I want us to keep doing this. Let's go. Let's hit it hard. That'd fly over all the time because we started in Tasmania. It's a lot. It's a small island.

Yeah, it's a small island. The bottom of Australia that nothing happens. No one goes there. So for us to play interstate, you'd have to fly all the time. But yeah, I pushed us over there. We kept going harder and harder. And eventually, you know, a couple member changes ended up where we are now, like, going super hard across the world and doing some crazy shit.

You guys are doing crazy shit. Yeah. So you guys are both from Tasmania. So did you move first? Yeah, I moved first. Okay, and then at what point did you, John, move over? It was probably like a year and a half later,ish, maybe. Yeah, like, we've probably done two tours and heaps of random Melbourne shows

before you were finally like, all right. Yeah. Because, yeah, we all had stability in Tasmania, and Melbourne is only an hour flight away, but it's so much bigger for music. Tasmania didn't really have anything. we want to see our favorite bands when living in Tasmania, you'd have to fly to Melbourne. You had to fly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Wow. Any cool tour that was coming through, you would fly to Melbourne for it. So, yeah, us picking up Alpha Wolf and trying to kickstart that would just be fly, fly, fly, fly. And, yeah, eventually we moved to Melbourne, called us over as a Melbourne band, found Scotty. He jumped in and, like, took over the reins of writing, and we took this whole sort of new metal core approach and just found out footing a lot by bringing everyone in and yeah now we're

killing it now we're doing some real cool stuff you guys doing amazing shit and it's funny like a question you always get like you know how do you find band members how do you find like many of people and you guys have no excuse you guys were in tasmania first and then you you had to move you had to and for a different location then that's when they really seem to like lock in yeah yeah i've I've seen this dude at a festival. He was drumming for a Descore band. He had long-ass hair, windmilling and blasting, and his right hand was like this high off the snare.

Blasting like a motherfucker. And I was like, I need him. I hit him up and he said, no. The worst rung sheet I've ever seen in my life. This guy made a really bad run sheet. Bad man. You should have seen the run sheet. Was that iconoclast?

Yeah, iconoclast. Yeah. The Run Chute Tour was a great bunch. Yeah, no, no, explain that. Explain that. I was just like, who is this dude? And what are his blast, man? I need him.

I need him in my band. It doesn't blast. Yeah. I need him to just play breakdowns in my band, man. So when the band first started as well, from like 2013 to maybe 16, I was the vocalist. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And then done the whole change around and shit like that. Yeah. I was their biggest fan when John was the vocalist. Yeah, lucky was like... I was mad sweater. The only one at the shows was Lockheed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gun hard. Really? No shit. Yeah. I think that one time, they had announced like a small Tasmanian run with like a couple other bands

and I like sheepishly hit Xavier and I'm like, I just knew him as the dude in the band. We weren't friends. I was just like, oh, are they like, like, easy accommodations to like stay out near these shows so I can like follow along with it. And Sab's just like, oh, you just fucking come with us.

And I was like, what? And it was funny because we were being, fans of Locky's band as well he's sung in a band yeah yeah his members just like kind of didn't have the passion to go as hard as what we wanted to do and we're like lucky you need to be in our band we got the passion he's like oh yeah the first time we asked Locky he said no I was like yeah I was like yeah I mean at the time I was still fucking with my band pretty heavy without like I know it was like rose tinted glasses like we had a basis that would not play with a pick whatsoever like

I couldn't see through that I was like he rips though and then I think like fucking two or three weeks after I turned down the first offer for being in Alpha Wolf flag my band just went to shit anyway we're just like oh yeah

I'm not fun hey and I was just like no but then I still hung around it's just you know supporting I did merch for them we got everyone in the end

you come through you come through and here we are yeah like the nagging you know we love each other yeah and then

I mean, I mean, I've seen it. I've heard it because I got hit up. Now it's been two weeks by you. And we're going to be in town. You know, here's like the band. And I've never even heard the band name. Yeah, yeah. Until like, like, you sent that message.

I was like, okay, who is this? And I go on, you know, Spotify. I was like, this happened a couple of times where like I know in like five seconds. Yeah. which is heavy, down-tuned, like, you just feel the groove. I'm like, oh, you just, it always hits me in like a certain way. Like, I need to talk to these guys.

I need, I need, I need to meet you. I need to fucking go, I need to go to the show. I love that. You know, it's dope. Man, I just, I just shot my shit. I was like, you know what? He's just done it with Taylor left to suffer and it's sick. Yeah.

I want to do it. I want to be there. We're there next week. I need to do it. Didn't even ask these guys. I just, straight and I was like, hey guys, look, look, who did. just hit me back.

Like, hell yeah. That's crazy, huh? Now we're here. Yeah. Because, like, we've been watching your podcast

and it was just like, really? It's a chance. Holy shit, dude. That's nuts. Yeah, we're getting to that stage where we can try to,

like, hit people up and it's 50-50 now. Really? Whereas, like, two years ago, no one just giving us a look. Even on like... That's how it is.

Even on, like, Instagram Explore page, like, your podcast's like popping up your rooms and stuff. Are you serious? Yeah. You're in the algorithm, dude.

Exactly. That's the kid. I'm like, dude, we need clips, dude, and I don't know shit about doing that. Like, I need, like, because you know, like, you're so into something that is hard to sometimes take it further. With clips and stuff where, like, I need to sip away. Like, Zach, you take it over. Like, you know what looks and sounds cool. And that comes with me with age.

Like, learning when to trust people, you know? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, back in the day, I took as Seths, I'm like, you know what I'm doing anything? But then like, you learn, you know, we get older and you start to trust people and that's just... Like, you let it go and you sort of see the result of it. Yeah, you're like, ah, yeah, actually, good one, good one. Totally. And I think, I think being able to, like, admit that that's something that you can't nail every time or whatever,

just makes you better because then you can probably stop focusing on that and just hit something that you are better. Absolutely. Or whatever, yeah. Absolutely. It's how we learn. Yeah, literally. We find that dynamic everywhere, though, like, even in our band, we all have. we all have our strength that we focus on

on the social media guy Scotty's like the manager guy he's booking flights and everything we're all just like we found one thing that we can focus on and somehow we've ticked every box that you need to to be a successful band

well oiled machine yeah and we're just going hard in our team of five wow it's cool that's how you do it yeah you know you know your weakness and you let other people maximize her strengths.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I suck at this, I'm gonna back off, but you're awesome at this. So you're like, literally. I don't think I've written like a good alpha wolf hook ever, like, because that's just not what I do. Like I can't do it, man. It's a tough thing to do it, man.

Yeah, yeah. And like, like, Sabs usually the hook, man, like fucking Mitch has got a lot of sauce on it too. But it's just, it's just not something I can do. So I'm just like, I'm just going to leave this part playing. Yeah, just like how I haven't written a riff since Scotty joined the band. It's like, your riffs are better than mine. so like you do that

fuck yeah and it's working you know you gotta have like you're gonna have like the band man that's car yeah

yeah it's funny uh see if I don't know why but I feel like a connection with you in particular you know I don't know why

but when you hit me up I'm seeing you alive maybe it's because I see like myself in you you know that's cute I like that man I was watching

a new play 10 years ago and I'm like that motherfucker you want size guy what's up dude yeah yeah

I'm kidding man No, but it's funny, what you guys are doing is what took, like, me and Mark a long time to fucking figure out. And you guys were just naturally doing that. It's so cool to see, dude. Did you guys butt heads a lot with that sort of thing? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not quite sure exactly what we had, but it took us, like, up until last year to, like, fix it. Yeah. Oh, very, very, very recent.

So you guys, you guys are just naturally doing it. It's fucking cool. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you just come in with riffs off the bat. We stole him from another band. He was writing heavier music than his band was at the time. And funny story, getting him in the band.

I just got him to play bass one time. I asked another bass player who said no. You got to explain what we were doing. I'm told the story so many times, but new audience. We were doing a Parkway Drive cover band for some money at a local club show. Are you serious? Yeah. Wow.

I was like the biggest parkway. drive so it had to be a part of it. Any Australian guitarist is a part of the other stuff. So I didn't know Scotty at the time but we both ended up in the band both on guitar. Wow. And it was a killing with a smile reunion like 10 year.

10 year. And our bassist at the time couldn't commit to this like 20 date tour that I'd booked because I used to book these crazy weird runs. Of course. Just so we could play shows. And I hit up the bassist in the rehearsal room. I was like, hey man do you want to jump on this tour? And at the

time the level we were at everybody wanted to tour it's all we wanted to do and he just said no straight away and i'm like what what do you mean you don't want to jump on it he had a cool job he had a job he had a job he had a job quiet scotty in the corner just says i'll do it never met this guy before yeah yeah we were talking at all um i think the tour was like three weeks away so i had no options and it's like hey john did Do you want to get this guy to play bass? I think you can play guitar, so we can play bass, you know. Yeah, whatever.

We threw him in the van. He sits right up the back, doesn't say a word. We end up viving hard. Like, Scott, he's a legend. And eventually it's like, well, he's a really good guitarist. And he's writing these cool as riffs. Maybe we're kind of got to get him on guitar and away from bass. And John, obviously, playing guitar in our band before that.

He was like, John, you want to jump on bass? And we've just done a whole switcheroo. Scotty's right on the sick riffs and yeah it's mad it's magic it is magic

yeah when I've obviously when you're going to Spotify I mean and when does this you're gonna play

the first song that's it yeah and when I heard Akudama he's got it he's got it I was like

oh shit okay so I take it that the first riff first roof that was you guys drunk wasn't it

that was me yeah me and Mitch We literally bought a slab of Jack Daniels and we're like, alright, we're riffed. Are you serious? Yeah, and we wrote... That was like the first one.

We wrote another song first. We spent so long on... It was Bleed for you. Yeah, well. And we were like, all right, this is something, but we need to like have a bit more fun. And we shout that out and why. Bring the whammy pedal out, half a day.

As always. Half a day. Half a day, yeah. It's done. I mean, I don't know with you, but like, the songs that get done the quickest are usually the best songs. They are.

Yeah. It's so weird. If you're in the vibe, it just happens. And yeah, that was probably half a day for like the skeleton, you know, we fucked for that song for ages, but of course The skeleton on that song probably half a day when we were just like fucking I think like all the wrists were like one day Yeah, and then it was just changing it switching around from there. Yeah Were those riffs something that you had on deck or they just came out right then and there? Just came out, I think. Are you serious? I was listening to a bunch of Cain Hill

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I had this I had an idea and I was like, oh how we need to kind of do this Whammy in the middle of like a riff and Yeah. Make it gap even make it crazy. Yeah. Came out. Dude, we do we do we do it. Just happened.

I love that fucking first trip, dude. Yeah. And the one that hooks me, which is the key word there is hook. It's why people call it a hook is I love that chorus for it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That was Mitch. That was Mitch. I remember that.

Yeah. Wow. Dude, that was the one that got me. That's good. And you know what's funny is like the big whammy part in that whole song was from the demo. We've talked about a few times. But the demo of the song. We were kind of too fucked up, but we didn't know how we made it.

And it was, yeah, it was like, use this guitar and just do something. Yeah, and we just changed it somehow and just never. We could never, we went to record the album. We just couldn't figure out how we did it. And we have like every generation of Wemmy as well, and we just couldn't replicate it. So we know the note that was played in the main riff, but trying to re-record it when it come to album time, it's like, we couldn't do it. Why doesn't it sound as good as the demo? Wow.

Let's try that guitar, let's try that guitar, let's try the DT 100, let's try the Generation 4, the Generation 5, all the different waymys, and we still couldn't make it sound better. Yeah, remember hearing the tracking version, and I was just like, I don't like this. Yeah, so we ended up just using the demoed version that was recorded when these guys were pissed. Are you serious? Just swap that in, just put it in, man.

That's right, that's it. That's it. Wow. Like our secret source used to be this generation for Whammy that we have, it's broken. It doesn't go from like 0% to 100%. It's more like 98.76%. So it makes everything more gross. So all our leads that are whammy based, we'd use that whammy because it sounds worse.

And that's kind of like our signature. It's unhinged. Yeah, it's not a clean note. It's some gross thing. But yeah, we still couldn't make it sound. as good as it was on the demo for that song. So you just drag and drop the pissed version in.

But that's recording in this day and age. It doesn't have to be perfect. It's literally fucking like lighting in a bottle, hey. Yeah, it is. If it sounds good, it doesn't matter how it was done. And even live now, we... That's fucking true. We used to always run the modern Generation 5 whammies,

but to play that song, it sounded too clean. It wasn't pissed off enough. Yeah. So we found using the... What are they? The pitch force? Electro harmonics. Yeah.

Yeah. So that somehow sounds a bit more pissed off and works for us live for that song. Yeah. And the whammy, we don't know how to replicate it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And rather than an expression, it's just a butt.

Just a button. A little button. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, we wish by gold, man. I mean, shit. And all those whammies are so different. They are.

Yeah, exactly. There it is so, I mean, you can't even, like, compare them, dude. We had that demo, and we all knew it was going to be the lead single. Like, something about it, lead single. It's a crazy song live. Like, the fans love that song. Yeah. All our songs are sick, but they definitely fucking love that song.

I saw a live on there. Yeah. Yeah. There it is. There it is. It's funny. We're stuck ending on that song for so long. Yeah.

Really? Yeah. It's like, it's so crazy. How could you not end on it? Yeah. Like, because there's, like, people that aren't, like, fans or whatever. they still know that song. It's became like a medical anthem.

Yeah. It's weirdly like pissed off medical anthem. Like people know that song that have no idea who the fuck alpha wolf is. Yeah. They're like, I don't know that riff. I don't know that band though.

People are buying wammies for that song. That song has probably sold hundreds of wammies. Wow. And all the wrong ones. Yeah. We don't know how we did it. No free promo, digit tech.

Get the line. Oh my gosh. Okay. So now we got the, wait, so I have two more questions about that song. One real quick. When did the Jack Daniels come into play? I think we'd have like one or two, maybe three, four.

By the time we finished bleep for you where that was at, and then it was just. Yeah, I guess Scotty is an audio engineer, so he tracks all of our records, vocals, and everything. But we're too broke to pain. So we buy him a case of alcohol. And that's what my name is. That would have been one of those things.

All right, you're recording some guitar. Shout yourself a case of alcohol and, you know, whatever comes next. Cool. All I know is that you had a few days, because Mitch doesn't live near us. He's about 20-something hour drive away. So he was for some reason in town and we were like, ah, we'll just do a few days of writing. I think it was it one day? Yeah, I think it was one.

We had one day, yeah. And then we were just like, well, let's get pissed and see what happens. And that's what happened. Unbelievable. Yeah. I don't think there was a third one that hit the bin. Miracle hates them. Wasn't it?

Maybe. We wrote a few songs that didn't make the album. Yeah. Yeah, but that day, there was another day when you started, I'm pretty sure. Fucked out. I don't know. I'm just thinking of everyone that takes themselves way too serious when writing this stuff. It's true.

Get pissed. Write riffs. That's all about the vibe, man. Yeah. It's like... Yeah, sometimes you get drunk and write the worst song ever. That's worth the time. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, actually yeah, that's the outlier. I swear I always have the best ideas when I'm at work and can't do anything. Yeah, literally. Oh, that's a sick idea. Fuck, fuck. Why am I in a forklift right now? That's me in the shower.

I'm like, fuck. I need to step out and voice record it. Yeah, you got it. That's on my Apple Watch. I'm like, no, no, no, no. How many videos do you get of me sitting in my car on the way to work? Like, that's all we get.

Yeah, literally all we get. Vocal demo. It's just a video of me. We can record next album in your car. Literally. For the vibe. I'm going to put out a call. compilation of just every single one of those videos.

But that's like the future though. Like the amount of bands are coming out now that like you don't, it just shows you don't need to pro studio like anything to make it happen. It's just about the idea. Yeah. Very true. If you have the idea, like it's honestly all you need. Yeah.

It doesn't matter about fancy fucking equipment or like, yeah, it was me and Mitch sitting in the apartment I lived in in a tiny ass room, probably sweating our ass off in summer. Yeah, it was hot as shit. Hot a shit and just like rode a bang. It's the same with the drop line in the middle of the Akudama. We had like... That was like full.

11th hour. Like we'd submitted the album and then it had to come in the next day. Yeah, we wrote so many drop lines for that part. And I think the final one we had, I woke up one day and I was like, slip not have done that. We can't use it. I forget what the line was, but I figured it out after we'd submitted the album for mixing. Wow. And it's like, we have to retract. It's a slip not drop line. We can't, can't do it. Yeah. Lockhe goes to Scoties after work. We already had the song title. I forget how but it was there and he just dropped dropped it in why don't know just say the song name yeah drop it in I was that you like dude I don't know if that's it yeah wow really yeah yeah he was like we tried like six of them and I was like ah that's it the final thing

track for the album that was a final line dropped yeah final line done on the album yeah was that so you guys had the song title already that's the name of the song but you didn't do that vocal until after you will Yes Yeah Yeah We love song titles So like we spend a lot of time

On the song titles Because you want It to sound cool When you introduce it live Yes And you want to If you search on YouTube You don't want ten other bands

Popping Up With the same song title Very true We don't obviously have that For every single song title Creep Creep is a radio head song But it worked for our song as well

But for the majority of our songs We will make sure The song title Has like that vibe we can be like, this next song is Akudama and everyone

knows instantly like it's not like 10 words in one sentence or whatever for a song title, it's just one word off the bat and people go crazy so yeah we had the song title first and drop line after submitting the album. And it was such a like, I think we were like

still so sold on the song that we were like this isn't going to be like a make or break part of it and then like it ends up being like the loudest part of any song we ever played. ever. Now I'm like, I just it shits all over whatever the fuck the other line was. Any other thing I could possibly

think of that I thought was sicker than that. Things that you rack your brain on. Literally, yeah. It's just one of those things that it was just like, no, it works, hit it. And it just... It just worked. Just a bit of luck, honestly. Straight up luck. Yeah. I actually remember, fucking, actually,

Lance, I'm calling your ass out. He was so not on board with half of the songs lyrics. Like, he's like, this is shit, this is lame, this is blah,

blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like, shut up, man, you are so old. And then, yeah,

it's just, it fucking, Lance is like our six member. He's our audio engineer. He's our front-of-house guy.

He mixes all our records. And he's our producer. It's like the Australian Putney, pretty much. Yeah. Wow. And we,

we sometimes have parts that are teetering on super corny and crinzy, but might be super sick. Yeah. Yeah. Because sometimes you don't need the smartest lyrical content ever. You just want something memorable that you hear it once and people are like, that's it.

So we do that a lot. And sometimes he's like, nah, guys, come on. It's very corny. That's super corny. We're like, yeah, it's corny. Mix it. It almost means do it. He's like, nah.

You make it louder, bro. Louder. Maybe he knows. Maybe he's tricking us. Yeah, he's reversing baby Yeah, yeah It's not sick guys No

No No key He's like fuck Wow dude Yeah So Lance did that record He did the new one too right Yeah

Yeah yeah He's done everything for us Since like 2015 Oh wow Yeah He's the guy He's been on board Since the two track

Yeah he was the local guy Mixing us For $50 At the local club Wow We've become friends And he was building himself

to be an insane mixer masterer. What's the technical term for a mixer masterer? But a producer's different. Audio engineer. He was an audio engineer. Yeah, so he's become a lord at that. Build his own studio and done this crazy shit. But yeah, we've been with him since the beginning.

The big... Mimini. Yeah, he's a legend. Adder boy. Yeah, miss that guy. I wish he was here. I wish he was here. Yeah.

Now, what, you guys are straight. You guys, obviously, you could hear, it's fascinating to me. You could hear the trust. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a big in-house crew. We don't want to pay some guy I've never met. Yeah.

To have the final touches and the final say on house down. And just to have the name as well. Like, a lot of people just do that like, oh, well, this, because he's got to, like, a status. Yeah. He genuinely loves us. And we genuinely love him. And we both want to strive together and make some cool heavy music. We tracked that album in my house.

Yeah. Really? Yeah. I agree the size of this. I have a studio in my house. Smaller than this. It's about, it's about this. It's about this.

What are you going to paint, bro? When are you going to make it? I'm going to fucking rent, dude. But yeah, we tracked the album in a house like this. Obviously, drums is in a proper studio. But the rest of the album was done in my music. What did you do to me? Yeah.

It's a proper studio. Drum mics with drums. Yeah, that's like the one thing we can't half off. Likes to play drums. But that's the coolest part. It was like done in my fucking house. And it's like, it doesn't matter anymore where you do it. Drums need a studio, obviously.

Yeah. Because you can't track drums in a fucking house. Even the two tracks that we're putting out this year. We done in your house. We didn't finish them in your house. So we're done in an Airbnb. Airbnb in America. Yeah.

We ran out of time to track vocals. We just hired an Airbnb and brought out any rig inside and just started tracking vocals. And did some shit on stage as well. stage. After sound check at one of the venues, we had like a couple lines to do, so we just done it on stage, just plugged into the interface. Good old 7B into the interface and just started tracking. Wow.

Yeah. Damn, you guys are fucking changing the game, dude. Holy shit. It just doesn't matter anymore, dude. The ideas are the important part. Well, yeah, we got an audio engineer in the band, so that helps. It does. We got a vocalist in the band.

You kind of need one. helps. If you have a computer, a microphone and is it a preamp? Is that we need something like that. We have an interface that you shouldn't track vocals on that we track vocals on. We needed a line tracked. We needed music submitted.

Yeah. Yeah. And then I did want to like get more into because we're fucking touring so much. And it would be cool to be able to like throw down ideas when we do have them. So I did want to like get the idea of possibly being able to record on the road. like plus I hate being fucking like crammed to like record and write shit or whatever

because I'm like the worst writer ever like I can't just sit down and finish something like once I started like I'll just I'll write a song over like two months yeah weeks no fuck that you have a line then a little bit Eddie who have another one literally like literally and I'm just like just trust me

I have this one line for this entire song I'll get the rest to you later like and then yeah I think like we had to like finish the two track or whatever before, not the two tracks, the two tracks we had to submit for the EP, before we went to America and I was just like, fuck that. Like, we have everything. Why don't we just record it where we're at?

Like, we can do that and we're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're really not going to feel like it. And we didn't. We didn't, we didn't. We did not. By the power of four loco and buzz balls. Oh my goodness. And nothing else to do in Atlanta.

Yeah. Nothing else to do. At the masquerade. Yeah. Yeah, but we had an Airbnb just out in the sticks. Oh, yeah. I think the venue, the venue that we did it at was

St. Paul. St. Paul's yeah. But, but, but was it Grand Rapids, we'd done the final touch? We couldn't finish the song. We were trying so hard to finish Hotel Underground. Locky had tapped out. He's like, I've written all the lyrics,

they're there. Song in my head is done, but it had this like entire breakdown at the end. It was a sick breakdown, but it had no lyrics on it. And the lyrics that Locky had laid down already sort of felt finished. So the more and more

I listened to it, I was like, I think Lucky had suggested as well, he was like, let's fuck the last breakdown off. We don't even need it. It's got enough breakdowns in it already. It's a heavy song. We don't need that one and he ran away to the gym or whatever he'd done. I'm like, I think we can delete that breakdown. And going up to Scotty, there's his riffs.

I was like, Scotty, play the song, I think I've got an idea. And as soon as he got up to the two and a half minute mark, I was like, press stop. Song's done. And he's like, what? I was like you dude song's done right there

try it so he's cut this breakdown off and it's a really cool breakdown like 50 seconds worth of shit yeah cool build up cool breakdown real cool

um you did it like tweaked the fadeouts and stuff like that to make it sound you know listenable we listened again

and he gave me that look like I don't think you're wrong I don't want to admit it but I don't think you're wrong and we're scared to show land Anytime we do stuff like that, Lance is like, you guys are so lazy. You're just lazy. Finish the song, write the lyrics.

But even he kind of gave us the look like, I don't think you're wrong. I really didn't think that one was going to get past length. He was going to grill us for that. And now thinking of that last breakdown, it feels so wrong. Yeah, yeah. That's how you make a three and a half minutes song or two and a half minutes. Yeah, two and a half minutes, man.

Also, the length of the song doesn't really matter as well as you're coming to find out. Yeah. Yeah, it does enough. Yeah. We've gotten to the point where it's like, if it's a two and a half minute banger, that's all you need. But then we get stung with these like 40-minute sets. Where you pay like 50 songs. Yeah, that gets a bit rough.

Well, at least you guys aren't like a grindcore band. I'll play fucking 45. Yeah, yeah, yeah, screw that. Five minutes later. We could play underdrama at the start of the set and at the end of the set. We should do that one time. No, don't do that. Dude, I swear we almost did that somewhere else.

Like, we had like an hour long since. China. China or something like that. Oh my goodness. We went to China on like one album, one EP, and in their contract was you have to play for an hour. We didn't know until we got there, we were the only band playing most of the shows.

And we didn't have an hour of material. We honestly had to play everything we knew. Every cell. In blistering heat and just get accustomed to this. You are the only band. playing tonight. Yeah. Like,

you sound check, leave your stuff up. Doors open, people come in for like half hour, you play your hour. Yeah. And then you take photos for a hour. There's like,

what is it? There's like a compulsory encore or something. Yeah, compulsory encore. It was funny because I just, I used to book a lot of our stuff. And I really wanted to take us to Asia. So we announced

Southeast Asia and Japan. You know, promoted that. It looked real. fun and the Chinese promoter hit me up and he's like hey man come to China like add it onto this and I was like guys China had no idea if this guy was real pre-COVID yeah yeah pre-COVID um and then so we announced I think it was five China shows and he's like guys let's do 11 in China no no no no no no no no let's stick with the five and see how we go

and it was so exhausting so we're lucky we didn't do the 11. Imagine if we did 11 China shows. Yeah. Fuck, dude. It was crazy. But like once in a lifetime type stuff, you know, not that many bands go to China. And the guy that promoted that Stan, he was a legend. They don't have social media or anything there.

So they can't look up your band. So this guy ran a social media page for us in like whatever Chinese social media there is. Wasn't it WhatsApp? Yeah, WhatsApp. Yeah. He somehow has a community of metalheads in this WhatsApp. It must be like Discord or something. it's like some type of platform

it was like it was like a lot of like it was like a Chinese everything was on WhatsApp like Facebook type thing yeah anything anything that

I'm pretty sure it was the exact same but like they have access to it anything that we posted on Facebook he would copy and paste into this thing so he was running his own social media for us so that the Chinese fans

Chinese metalheads could know who we are yeah and the crowds were sick it's super sick the crowds were really sick we expected to play no one because obviously we had no idea what we're going into, but he managed to bring 2 to 300 per show for us being the only band.

Yeah. That is unbelievable. Like not even knowing that we had a fan base over there as well, we just expected nothing. Yeah. People just rocking up and knowing us. It was so cool. Yeah, it was crazy.

It was a month after we were there, the guy ate the bat. And it was so close. You guys have come such a long way, man. And it's kind of trippy. about your band as well as like I was looking at I'm on your wiki I'm on the fucking Instagram I'm like metalcore this is metalcore now

yeah technically it kind of confused me we teeter a lot like um we used to call ourselves like new metal yeah John and I love new metal and we definitely had riffs that teetered on like corn riffs and stuff like that and we love the pedals that do the crazy stuff that's very lint biscuit and stuff like that but we also love metalcore We like big choruses and everythings. And then we love blast bates as well.

So we enter our death chorus sometimes. Yes. Where? You've got two, man. You got two. We don't play heavy breakdowns. I think. I heard one blastby.

I was listening to the record today. I'm like, oh, there is a blast beat. Try it. Okay, let's go. Yeah. But like the genres matter with that stuff, like not really. Yeah. It's just a heavy record.

At this point, it is. Yeah, we're just like a melting pot of shit. I always say new metalcore randomly we get called Death Corps I think metal core if you think about like Yeah

I think about restricted That's like just metal core Yeah But then yeah Like suicide silence Deathcore band Yeah But we love our vocals

To be What's the word You can understand What like you're saying In the vocals Then it's not like Death Corps Like the crazy

Death Corps vocals Which love you can do But we love But we love being able To hear What he's saying Yes Like we love mid-screams

And we try and get into the clean singing sometimes and stuff so like you know we're not limiting ourselves to anything and i guess somehow just gets lumped into metal core it's just whatever the vibe is like the closest thing to it i guess yeah i guess yeah whenever any entails like asks what the band is i just say it's heavy yeah i just say i'm in a heavy band because it's easier yeah yeah it's cool because you can't really put like a label on it which is really it's that's a that's a special thing yeah yeah yeah And it helps us get on like a bunch of sick like metalcore tours. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It always helps being like the heaviest band on bills or whatever because it's just like, we can fit in, like we hang out with Polaris all the fucking time and they're just like, you know, a lot of people would say that they're like very metal core. Yeah. Or whatever and we're just like doing shows with them all the time and it's like, it's a nice

little like juxtaposition, but it's not that far removed from it, you know? It's like how justice for the grand, uh, justice for the damned. They're not fucking Instagram name. Justice for the damn just metalcore to me. Yeah. Yeah. Technically still metalcore, but... No, they're like hard.

They're meant to be like... They're not hardcore. They're like a black and metal. They're not. They got black hardcore. See, we have songs that are like breakdowns start to finish, like evil breakdowns. Yeah. But it's still called metalcore.

Yeah. Yeah. Because it's metal and core. Yeah. Metal chords. The genres get so weird. It's how the name was made. I don't fucking know anymore.

That's a very simple way of put. It's metal. And it's chorus. Literally. That's so sick. Heavy cool. Yeah. Whatever it is.

Yeah. It was crazy that you guys were established and then lucky you, you came in. Like, how is that, how is that for you coming into like a pretty much established sound? Fucking so scary. Like, but at the same time, it was like, I was low-key just like waiting for my moment. Yeah. Just like, they've already asked me once. They'll do it again.

Check in the inbox every day. Yeah, and I, like, I just, I fucked with them so much. Like, it just, it worked. And when, like, the time came or whatever, literally Sabian just, he didn't even fucking ask me. Like, he wasn't nice about it. He just sent me a Dropbox file with Black Mamba in it saying, write some words, that's it.

Like, and I was just like, yeah, all right. And then, and then I realized I was just like, fuck, like, I can't write songs. Like, this is shit. And I think I said, I was just, just like bro, I will like murder the songs that are already there live. Like I'll crush every show. But like I'm going to need some help like putting this shit together.

Like I can't be the one or whatever. And it's just like, yeah, that's fine. Like as soon as that happened and we just got the whole like open like songwriting sort of and figured out what we were good and bad at, then I was just like hell comfortable about it. And I think we got black mama done and I was just like, let's fucking go. Like this is on. And then. did we start working on the other songs before Black Mumble was out?

Yeah, before Black Mamba was out, we'll storm to the EP. Yeah, it was like sitting there ready to go. Yeah, everything was just like... We wanted to come out swinging. We're lucky like, we done heaps of promo shoots, we done video shoots, recorded a full EP plus a single ready to go. We dropped him with a single and a music video.

Wow. And then knowing we'd have an EP out in like six months or whatever it was the timeline. and... Yeah, because it was just like crunch time. We wanted to make a fucking statement. No fucking around sort of thing. And then luckily,

like social media politics is crazy these days, but our fans love Lucky. And we never had to have the dickheads that had been like, old vocalist is better. We don't get that. Wow. People just love Locky.

They're like, oh, he's just as good or whatever, or he's better. There's never negativity with it. Yeah. And I think the fact that I was always around, anyway. Like, I wasn't just some random dude. Like, I'd been in my other band that some people know about.

Like, Alf Wolf was always bigger. But, like, I don't know. I was always part of the team anyway. Like, it just made sense for everybody. Like, I'd come up and do guest vocals or whatever, and people would be like, fuck, who's that? We were so funny back then because we weren't big at all. So we would just tell our friends to come,

bash each other during the show. Yeah. Yep. And then anyone that saw that thought we were bigger than we were, but it's just our two homies punch on each other. It's just fucking, just hokey. And, you know, fake it to where you make it, I guess. Yeah.

Yeah, so I would just be around on those trips or whatever. Selling merch or whatever, beating up the other dude that we brought along. Damn. Yeah. But yeah, it was like, it was sort of scary going from like a local band structure to a, like, bigger sort of... But you bought so many cool things.

You're underselling yourself. The start of sub-zero you come in out of knowing, and are like, hey, you just... write to that entire song by yourself and it is huge yeah I guess I'm pretty good yeah yeah I don't know until like tell me sometimes you drop some things into the

chat and we're just like and I've already like resigned it and I'm just like I'm changing this thing wow yeah yes I don't know they like they had more like faith in me than I did in myself so I was like wow and where and where you're from lucky uh Melbourne so like where

Sabian eventually moved too. I was born and, like, grew up. Same with Scotty. So, like, him and I, like, from, like, 20 minutes from each other or whatever. Yeah. And we sort of, like, low-key in, like, the same, like,

local music scene beforehand, like, fucking chat at Nari Warren, Cranbourne Hall or whatever shit like that. Yeah. We're always just... We were in the same scene, but in different bands. Scotty hated Alf Wolf in those days. He used to have a band.

I did. I fully hated. We're kind of bad, but, like... That all really bad. Yeah. I would never be in this fucking band dude I remember watching out of being like fuck this band sucks

I just like um dress real gang so I'd wear a bandana across my face and punch foldbacks till my knuckles bled and stuff like it was pretty weird looking back on it and Scotty was like I used to wear like sclero contacts so it's just like full black eye contacts and golf gloves golf gloves that's right we were super evil

bit super sloppy. Like we couldn't play our instruments. We're just trying to look cool and look tough. And Scotty's out there, judging. The tones aren't tight, man. Scotty came along. Scotty came along.

I'll make that better. It's crazy how that shit works where like when you start like a pure band and like you just attract people that the music needs. Yeah. You know, and that was a... Yeah.

guy is yeah like the first rendition of alphal was very rough around the engines but like the people that were there knew that there was something you know like if it was like sab's energy on stage or just like the pissed offness of it like it's always

something there like yeah regardless of how fucking badly they played play horribly but the people were like there's something there's something there yeah people knew that's sick man you guys all you guys

add your own element to it. You know, it's crazy. Lucky, what a trip were you? Like, you joined this band, and then all of a sudden now you're in California. Yeah, yeah, literally. That's such a trip, dude. Yeah, I think, like, fucking,

it was like Europe or something like that when we were first, like, the furthest away place we've ever been, like, Sabian was just like, like, like, look, dude, like, isn't this fucking weird? Like, and I was just like, yeah, dude, like, and even, like, every single. single fucking day. I'm just like,

what the, what is my life, dude? Like, you saw us in the car park where grown-ass men living in a fucking caravan in America for three months

and every time we open the goddamn caravan door, plastic fucking ball pit balls fall out of it. That's not today. Literally, I'm just like, yeah,

I'm just, it's like, I don't know, it's just interesting, man, like, yeah, we can't make the shit up.

Yeah, literally, like, every day I can't believe it, but it's like, you know, I would not be doing anything else. Like,

and I wouldn't be happier doing anything. else so it's like even for like me and sab how we came from like Tasmania like like a place like most people don't even know about yeah the only other band that we know there's made it big from there is like psychoptery like yeah yeah yeah it's just crazy to think about that we come from like there and now we're here yeah anybody who knows Tazi knows how big of a statement that is yeah Tazi is tiny yeah especially if you compare it to like the four sides of like

of Australia. It's a really like, I was like, man, they're from there. Yeah, dude. Just the isolation of Tasmania itself. People are happy to never leave the island. So many people I went to school with will never leave the island. Wow. Yeah. Like there was people that we grew up with that hadn't even seen like

the other side of the state. Like, they've just like never left their hometown. It's not even that far. It's so odd. It's not. Yeah. It's all right. It's all right. Every single shop in our hometown, like, close at like 5 p.m. as well. So it was just like, ghost town after 5 p.m.

first time I went to Tazzi when I, like I was talking about before, I just asked if I could tag along. We went into like, maybe a target and like the reject show up and like a servo or something like that, which is gas station. Every single person that worked their new Sabian. I was just like, this is fucking ridiculous. It's just like, oh, hey, how you doing? Like, blah, blah, boy. How's, the people that work this, like, 10 years ago still work there. Yeah, yeah. There's not that many jobs. I like, small town. Yeah, you know everyone. Yeah. That's just how it is. My high school, had probably 300 people.

Wow. So you just know them, you know all their siblings, you know their parents, and yeah, very isolated. Man, I mean,

yeah, you guys are literally on an island. I'm just still tripped out by you guys how like, now you guys are where you're at now with the band. Yeah. So with like you and John, like damn,

like how do you, I just, such a limited amount of people you still found like each other. Oh, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So nuts. I think how I met John was our bands competed against each other in a battle of the bands. Oh, wow. He was in a cool heavy band. I was in this punk rock band that I wanted to be heavy, but they were like, nah, dude, we're not doing screamo. That sucks.

And I really wanted a screamo band. So I'm like sweating John's band, trying to make my band heavy. They kicked me out because I was sick of me trying to make them heavy. Oh, wow. We ended up at the same college together, and we're like, let's make music. Yeah. Let's cover suicide silence. Oh, my goodness.

You started it, man. That's a fucking full circle thing. This is your fault. You started. You started out of. Oh my goodness, dude. It saw, I mean, you took, like, the Tasmania scene, like you, and you expanded it to now. It's worldwide.

Like, you guys are a worldwide band. Yeah. Like, dude, I mean, you have a fucking two-month-long tour. It's just in the States. Oh, you guys were in Europe. China. Like, you guys. Yeah, it's crazy.

That to Melbourne and Maui. What the fuck? That's a whole different level, man. I mean, what? Amazing. Took 10 years. Yeah, it took 10 years. Like five years of bullshit, Tazzy Hustle, playing across the state.

The songs at that time were awful. Like, they weren't good. We didn't know what we wanted to do sound-wise. We loved cool hardcore bands. We loved fun, sort of hardcore bands. Then we loved heavier music as well. So we wrote a breakdown song. We almost wrote a pop punk song.

We wrote a hardcore song. We had like 10 amalgamations of weird songs. at that time. And then we went to Melbourne saw a Muir play. And at that time they were like stupid heavy. This is it.

And we're like, that's what we want. That's what we need. This is like the sound that we just need to be heavy. We just need to be heavy. I removed everything off social media. We dressed in black head to toe

or all new promos and stuff. We're evil now. And we're ready to go. Yeah, when you like some posy Yeah, we'll P. Yeah, we'll P. straight-air, like everyone be happy. You literally printed a t-shirt with

N-M-A on it. Yeah, so we went complete opposite and found what we wanted to do and And then toured with the Muir in Europe And then tour with the Muir. Yeah, wow. Yeah, it's a spin out. Yeah, sometimes it takes a while to find yourself and find like the sound that you really want. Yeah, it takes a while sometimes, you know?

That was like, yeah, four or five years for us in Tasmania. Wow. Just doing whatever. And then it was like, okay, we want to be heavy. We want to take over this shit. let's do it let's grind let's go hard and then that five next five years is like

fast forward to now we just made it happen yeah you guys have a following I saw it I saw you guys a couple days ago like damn this this place is packed and little things too like okay like at first I was like

we were talking and was like okay I'll probably go there the last few songs I'll probably show up like this late and see that few songs I'm like I want to see the first song. I want to see how they walk out. I want to see the vibe. After I put some more

time into doing some research on these guys are sick. This is serious. And sure enough, I saw you guys see like, I like seeing the reaction of people. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I seem like the reaction. Like, oh my, my, this is something's happening here. And it's so cool that I love being an outsider and a scene that shit. I love this scene.

Yeah. And it's a whole other scene. We're at this conversation at the show. It's a whole other scene of people that listen to heavy shit. shit. It's crazy. It's fucking crazy. The whole new, like, younger generation, like, coming in. Yeah. Which is cool.

That's you guys. Yeah, I think there's something about, like, really selling it through a live show as well. Like, there's, like, because we could have, like, our songs be, like, how many times have you seen, like, a band have just, like, the sickest songs? And then you go see them live, and it's just like, oh. That's not that crazy, dude. Like, I don't know, we make sure it's, like, just as intense, if not more intense. I think the crazy thing for us is when we do something with our heavy music

that our family members can relate to or notice, like, was it last year we got nominated for an ARIA award for Best Heavy Rock Release, and our family were like, what? My dad was like, wow, you're an Aria? So we're going to the ARIA award, partying. Ari is like the equivalent of like a Grammy, but in Australia.

Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're going and partying with, like, the top dogs in Australia. We didn't win. Of course we did. But, you know, that in itself is crazy enough for our family to be like, whoa. And another one is when Head from Korn shouted us out as his favorite band of the year. And our family members are like, well, Korn.

Korn? Listen to you? That band you rip off all the time. And it's like, yeah, whoa, whoa, this is bigger than we ever expected. Yeah. Our shit to be. Yeah. It's still pinned on our Twitter.

Yeah. I'm just like, fuck, that's right. That happened. Yeah. Yeah, like, yeah, it's like our mindset is just like so behind with it all. Like we still think we're just like this little band. Yeah. And then you just see like the draw that we get in the crowds.

Wait, this little band that gets to do cool shit. Yeah. That's cool. That's cool. That just feels like that. Like we're extremely lucky. Yeah. And we are like because it's like, you know, we could be as good as we can or whatever.

A lot of hard work, a lot of luck. Yeah. There's a lot of bad. It's a lot of good bands. It beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. Yeah. Tell me that. There's a lot of good bands that don't get the recognition we get.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've always wondered what that was, you know, like, how is it that like you have the talent, maybe even working hard, but why is it that, you know, we got the... Dude, there's a bit of luck. Yeah. There's so much, so much luck, dude.

You could have the best song and the best video and like the best team and it's just like it doesn't work. How often do we see something going off and we're just like, that sucks? Yeah. You just fully don't get it It's one of those Like and they like obviously They're doing something right that you don't get Like obviously like we piss so many people off

So many people don't think we're worth what we're worth So many people don't understand why we're so fucking like While we're so busy and we got so much on like And fucking I don't half the time And maybe we don't yeah But it's just like I don't know like it's the same everywhere though Because we see it we're just like I don't get it

But like It's luck it's fucking you strike a chord do you get lucky? All you can do is do what you want to do. Right, the songs you want to write and put all your effort into it and then you just fucking send it out. And we are so genuine to ourselves. Like we're doing exactly what we want to do.

Yeah, you send it out and hope it does well and somehow it did for us. Yeah. Like, you know, we obviously work hard for it, but it's a bit of luck, man. Yeah. Straight up, a bit of luck. A bit of luck and a lot of work. And that'll do it. Yeah.

A lot of work. Yeah, we'd be like, we'd be stupid to say that we haven't been extremely lucky to get where we are now. Yeah. But we do work hard for it. We tour a lot. We write a lot of songs. We do a lot of work ourselves, which I think is good.

But then you just... We capitalise on the luck. Yeah, but you send it out and just hope it fucking works. You never know if it will. That's Akkadama to a T. We'll just like, we'll make the sickest song, the sickest video. And we think it's sick. And then we'll just...

We put out a lo-fi song because we like listening to lo-fi when we're hanging out. We made a lo-fi version. of one of our songs and it blew up. It became like one of Spotify's biggest lo-fi songs. Whoa. And it's just something we just thought, fuck it, let's do a lo-fi song. Wow.

Did well. That was some accident. These hankting playlists and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Luck and playlisting. That should we get you so far. Oh yeah.

You guys got to get on a playlist. There's no around it, man. No, yeah. That whole like Spotify game is such a fucking, It's a thing. Yeah. Oh, yeah, totally. And third eye visual was music videos.

Yeah. You were just reading my mind, man. I watched those two recent videos you guys did. Like the third eye. Like, it's a great, they're very unique. Yeah. Videos. And then you watch him and you stick out.

Who fucking does these videos? Damn. Yeah. He's a good guy. That's one person. One man. One guy. That's the whole thing.

Damn. Shout out Ben. Shout out Ben. Wiggles. Ben Nasty. Be Wiggles. Ben, Ben, Ben, Nassie, Benny Wiggly.

Yeah, as a dude. And it's such a special and rare time where, like, you have, like, the song. And then when you have the riff and the song and then the vocal and then the name of the song, then, like, the video kind of falls in the place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely. He, like, how many of the ideas for our loud latest, like, third-out videos was? Not many.

He gets the song. He just comes up with on the spot. And he's like, I know exactly what this needs to be. Yeah. He would, like, filming it. And then he'd be like, yeah, I've got this idea of this happening and this. And we're just like, go for a man. Stand still for five minutes.

I need to take a thousand photos of you. Trust me. Then he's just like a 3D princess. Yeah, it's a lot of trust me, don't worry about it. I know what I'm doing. I love that. Wow, I definitely see it. It's very unique.

I love like the, like the lyrics come in. But it's a different thing. Yeah. I'm like, I haven't seen it done this way before ever. Yeah, it's just like, I don't know, it's just fun as well. It looks fun, yeah. The music video doesn't need to be as fucking sad and as angry as the song is, you know, like you want to be entertained through the whole thing.

Yeah. And that's like, yeah, we're just like, every sick idea we can think of, put it in. Yeah. We've got one coming out soon that's also. Another third eye one, yeah, which is actually like way different to the other two he's done for us. But in the same way, it's just like super third eye and super like, well put together. This is like the other end of the third. He's a good guy.

He's got a good eye. Good third eye. He's got a good third. Three of them. Oh my goodness. So you guys have a new song coming up? Yeah. We're doing a split EP with a band called Holding Absence.

They're a really cool melodic band from Wales. Have you heard of them? No. No. She should check him out. They got choruses for days. A beautiful man as a vocalist. He's got the prettiest voice you'll ever hear.

Yeah, his voice is crazy. We played some imperious. Recon Fest together in Germany. We got along, all our members are like the same age and like same humor and stuff like that. But they're like, they're super melodic, we're super heavy. They love our music, we love their music. And we both put out albums at the same time, like peak COVID lockdown.

And it got to the point we both needed, or not needed, but like both wanted to put out some new music for the fans. But not an album yet, not an album because we still want to tour the album we put out. So we get together And we're releasing a split EP together Wow And it feels real cool We got his voice on our songs

We got Lucky's voice on their songs Sick And it's just a cool idea to do And we collaborated on that And it's cool Yeah It's cool to get And I remember like when I first joined

The one of the incentives Was that I would like We do like Not just the general album Every two years Album every two years Truck Show or whatever I wanted to get into some just like left shit like that

like split apes of the coolest things like even if you don't love the body of work just knowing like the two bands that you fuck with or whatever collaborated and like put together this thing that the labels got behind and everything like it just feels like a cool little like moment as well like basically fuck any rules in that sort of thing pretty much we don't care yeah and like the fact that it's just like we didn't want to do a split with another heavy band

because that's just like I don't know it's just typical Yeah, it's easy or whatever Especially like another Like alpha wolf sounding band or whatever Because that's just like what's the fucking point Like we can just write songs like that or whatever We can't write songs like holding absence can So like we want to do a record together or whatever

There's like this whole just like light dark side to it Yeah maybe we'll find a burning hole in some of their like melodic fans Didn't realize they wanted heavy music in their life Yeah And maybe some of our fans will Find a melodic band they didn't know they needed yeah yeah it's great but it's saying that like

that's not saying I wouldn't do it like a split record with a heavy band like I do a record with like a slam band like that's insane make us heavier yeah literally wow what do they call again so holding absence oh yeah they were on the first thing

when you guys dropped right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I was like who is this a toilet breaks allowed can I go take slash yeah you want yeah sure uh the uh take the key and then down the hall to the right yes yeah actually we love to pee as well wow sure you guys you guys could go pee and we'll fucking keep the comma going you guys want yeah yeah lucky is so bad for this when he flies we're like all right you

sit on the aisle because you piss so much yeah it's crazy yeah yeah it's like clockwork yeah I've never seen anyone I'm never seen anyone like him no he's bad for he's bad for yeah and and I also happen as the older you get I'm peeing all the time sucks out. 36, dude. Sucks. We lost Mitch as you pressed play

the other day, didn't we? He hit play on the intro song, he's like, guys, I need to go. Are you serious?

Yeah. Give me five. Dude, what the hell? Yeah, he's bad for it too. Holy crap. Those two, yeah, two guys go on,

they're just man. Holder they? Mitch is 30. He's 26. Are you serious? Yeah. Oh, when they get older, you guys are gonna be pissed off,

dude. It's worse. Dang. When you get older? Oh yeah, it's fucking worse. I mean, you got a question when you fart. Like, is this going to be a shit or a fart, dude? And then you start to shit your pants when you're on tour.

And that's what you guys are to look forward to. Hell yeah. Can't wait to get old. Sabine, how old are you? I'm 31. 31. Yeah. Okay, Scotty.

27. You have to think about that. I forget every time how old I am. 37. 31, John. 29, nearly 30. Nearly 30. A few weeks away.

Yeah, I'm like two weeks away. Wow. So how we were 18, 17, when we first started a bit first man hey yeah yeah yeah damn that's fucking nuts but i mean suicide silence what you guys were big when you were like how old were you when suicide talents popped uh yeah like uh 19 20 it's sorry it really really uh that's insane it's yeah it's uh then you've spent your 30s for recovering from that time yeah basically that damn back's fucked neck's fucked oh yeah it's so funny we're looking at old covers that we used to do yesterday and scotty what

What cover did you find where you were absolutely shredding? Ah, the contortionist. Yeah. So, Scotty, you had this video and he showed me, he's like absolutely smashing notes and we don't do that at all.

And I was thinking to myself, I used to play Price of Beauty all the time and it's just the entire song. I could not imagine doing that now. Yeah, it's a fucking spider. Yeah, yeah. All the riffs back then were spider riffs. That's it.

And I loved it. Like, I got so good at it at the time. Nope. Not anymore. Can't do it anymore. Wow. Yeah. Different time.

Yeah. now we gotta practice even tremolo picking like that used to be the thing for me like death core spider wrist and tremolo can't do it that's it's it's it's crazy yeah you know first like it's just like just you and then like you look you look up again and like everyone's doing it you're like what the fuck happened it's like holy give me my spider wrist bag dude i will go into like guitar center and there's this guy there that that worked and uh he's a play guitar in a band called blessed by a broken heart and I will go there like I can't I'm like I'm like fucking 15 and then I'll go there with the I'll get like the shitty Ibanez seven string and I'll

plug into the line six they have the most like game oh yeah yeah I start chugging yeah and he will always come up a really cool guy and it's like turn me up yeah and then literally people that were playing guitar would stop and look like this that and then uh people are walking to stop like what is he playing and then fast forward the band now has EPs and the records come out then going guitar center then and um you hear kids playing those riffs yeah like those fucking spudges like then n n n n n n n n n and and and those like spider wrists with like stupid like stupid primal chugs yeah yeah yeah like what the fuck happened yeah my goodness different time man yeah it's nuts man yeah you guys uh we're all good oh good oh my goodness

It's all right? Well, I'll do another one. Can you, Appie, can you get a coarse light, please? Yeah, please, awesome. Steve Austin's. What's up? El Segundo. Yeah, that's a brewery down in San Diego.

Yeah? Yeah, really good stuff. This is what happens when we start. It just doesn't end. Yeah. The barbed wire and everything. It's cool. Don't go see you, Boston, dude.

Seb went into Walmart earlier and came out with a three-liter jammison bottle. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, they don't exist in Australia. Mm-mm. Waited 40 minutes for it. Yeah, that's right. Wow.

Hey, Zach. Can you get a bottle opener? It's on the fridge. Oh, game. Yeah, I can't do a lighter thing. I don't know how. I got shown many times. Don't, oh, sorry.

It's good. Cut the cameras. Cut the cameras. Edit it out. Edit it out, Zach. Oh, that's staying in. Boom. Holy shit.

It's funny. Like, when people see, like, like the coarse light they like oh my course light then see these beers I think the one the one gets the chorus light oh true so trying I just like I just like tried something different every time yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah cheers my man oh I got bro yeah so mm-mm-mm-hmm look at that look at oh I made a mess um where do we get our own beer mm I gotta do that you guys yeah everyone's doing tea now everyone's doing tea and

yeah we'll do a beer fuck tea yeah Do a whiskey? I got coffee. Whiskey. So you guys, you guys, you guys are in it. It's exciting to be an outsider and see it happen. But where, where do you guys personally see, like, the metalcore scene in like five years from now? Oh, it's, oh, it's cyclical as like, like, there's literally, I'm not sure I know what they mean.

It's a difference is that. It's a cycle. It's all a cycle right now. Okay. Yeah. Have you heard. I attracted to a cyclical. I would have to go home

I don't know how to ride my cyclical I don't know there's like a whole resurgence of bands that is just literally like 2000s metalcore yeah like fucking which I sweat dying wish

sanction vain like fucking chamber chamber boundaries all of these fucking bands and it's literally just like this weird like resurgence of this old style

of metal core dumped better like I think better production The thing that's blowing my mind is, like, in Australia we see it firsthand. The rooms, like the room sizes that the heavy bands are playing in now, they're getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Like Polaris, who are our good mates, they have to have a tent built in our hometown

to cater for one show. Wow. Because their crowds are so big. And the music's pretty fucking heavy, considering. And then you've got Parkway Drive headlining, like, crazy places. around the world and they're still a heavy band. Yes. You know, some people argue that they've gone a weird route,

but they're still a heavy band. The art. I would argue that also. A lot of pirates listen to them. Pirates love them. You'd be crazy to say they're the same band they used to be, but they're still objectively a heavy band. And then, like, Brue Me the Horizon

come out with a death core song last year. Yeah. Like, they're huge. So the room sizes that these, heavy bands are playing crazy big yeah crazy big i just don't think there's a limit you just keep going until like you i don't know we never thought we'd do the size of rooms that we're doing yeah being a breakdown thing we are a heavy band like we're saying yesterday to you like we we headlined the venue you guys played out in melbourne oh you what's who was that

uh swip fest yeah swift 2008 and we got to headline that room last month in in melbourne which is like blew our minds congratulations man we we we go board right yeah yeah we we we we are we we we we we we we We grew up going to shows at that venue. And then we played that venue 10 years later when we're like... Yeah, you look up at that window where the green room is and you see the cool band guys like peeping down. And it's like, oh my God. We got to play that.

We got to be that guy in that room looking down at the crowd. That's a shit room. It's definitely a shit room. You got out there like, oh, is this it? But that's just like, well, what's the ceiling then? If we can do that, like, you just keep going until no one fucking comes to your shows anymore. Do you mean, like, is that what you meant, like the whole, like, what will the scene look like in five years or what do you reckon it'll sound like yeah both uh both sound both sound

and where it's going yeah you know yeah i don't know because there's like back when like it's weird because bring with the horizon have somehow always been the biggest band like well i think guitar music dipped for a bit yeah even even brin horizon took away guitars for a bit but even like when say like suicide season came out like they felt like the biggest thing ever but people see still thought they won't be around forever. Yeah. Like, and they've just outlasted that fucking 10 times over.

And it's just like, it's hard to say where anything will be like, where anything will be at in five years. Yeah, it's like, is it like, yeah, like how the whole resurgence of things happening?

Or is it going to evolve and there's going to be like another era or sound or medical. Throw TikTok bands. It's going to happen. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's all TikTok. I feel like we,

we have so much stuff really available at our fingertips to kind of write whatever the fuck you want. Yeah. Nowadays. where it was harder to be like, oh, we now have studio time, we have to force the shit out, now you can just,

you've got our own set up, do whatever you want to the fuck you want. So it's like, what are? Every crossover of music imaginable. Yeah, I think guitar music will make a big comeback. Like, it's disappeared. What do you mean in that sense?

Like, well, in, in radio, there's, you know, true, there's no like big rock riffs. Yeah, when I was a teen,

like, like three fighters, yeah, when I was a teen, it was super cool to play guitar. Green Day, were huge and whatnot and everyone wanted to be able to play guitar yeah there's like that dipped for a bit that fell off but now like what we just had metallic uh on stranger things so that in itself

it's gonna make a lot of people play guitar like probably not mountains and it's not going to change everything but it could be metallicer over here songs yeah songs aren't big off one riff anymore yeah i have a drum teacher friend in australia that's like thanks stranger things for having every one of my students wanting to learn that song. Yeah. It's like maybe that is the moment where that changes. Yeah, I think we're probably going to see a little bit of guitar come back, which will obviously only do good things for heavy music.

And maybe more teens will pick up a guitar. Because in Australia for the last couple of years, there hasn't been a huge local band thing going on. Like we're trying to pick support bands. It's so hard. But I also think that's a product. that's a product of just like bands getting bigger and better as well like Australia is pretty like cutthroat

with the scene like if you're not sick you're just you sink to the bottom like yeah it's a weird thing like you put out a song and either the internet likes it and you get to play it in your home state like three or four times that year yeah it's like being trialled by the internet as opposed to doing like a whole tour and being like

okay maybe this isn't working let's try something else you kind of just put it up and get forgotten yeah you can gate it before you even try? Yeah. It'd be easier somewhere else. But in Australia. It also depends as well if bands are grinding as well.

Like, we'd undergrine. We played all the shit shows and played to like 10 people and stuff like that. Then you've got bands that like put out something. They're just like sitting there waiting, expecting something to happen. Yeah. Hey, but all in all, in five years, let's see the new metal come back. Like, Limp Biscuit coming back and like everyone loving Limp Biscuit again. That was wild

When that happened That was sick I loved it Bring it on That Lollah The Lola Polisian set Was fucking nuts I love it

Big fan Hey Limbiscis One of my favorite bands Yeah Backs West Brown is my Top 5 Yeah

Straight up Straight up Top 5 Dudeies Top 5 Top 5 House Renov Uh

Yeah Kurt I get it Yeah Monkey Head Where he renovates houses

What was your top five? As far as guitar player, he's got Kirkobane, Monke and Head from Corn, Wes Borland. Who's number five? I love how secretive Wes is. You look it up on YouTube. You want to know the pedals he's used and you want to know what guitar's he's using. There's nothing. He just doesn't, yeah.

Like, what was the tuning Nookies in on a four string like 20 years ago? Was it 20 years ago? It's F. Is it F? Wow. You don't think it is, but it was. was yeah that's wow yeah and that was so long ago i f guitar was on all over the radio dude yeah yeah yeah you're fucking nine 99 unheard of unheard of dude and he doesn't get that

that that uh that credit he's one i'm the same way i go on youtube and where's west west's his gear i want to know yeah done man right run down that's one of the cool things cool things about instagram is that like they'll post about their gear sometimes or something and then they'll start answering uh comments yeah And I'll learn shit by West or like someone from Slip monitor the corn. Like we're like, we're playing. Like we applied at fans. I'm like, oh shit.

He just fucking said a answer I just wanted to know about. Dude, he played his new riff or is it out of style or that new riff. Oh, Matt. Yeah. nervous doing it. Wow. He's a normal person. He's insane.

Yep. He's so normal. So normal, dude. I bet. Maybe that's why he does the whole costume thing. Yeah. I mean, somebody else. She puts this thing on for the Instagram video.

So good. Shout out the what's Borland, man. Yeah. It's why I mean, those bands are why we know what we're all here. Yeah, exactly. All that whole like new metal movement, those bands are why we're all here. You know, I mean, I mean, new metal is why SS is here. I mean, this hands down on that.

fucking those bands stained you know the most underrated heavy record of all time is that first stained record dude yeah I love that fucking record so much there's a dysfunction yeah I mean because they

they went so radio after that no one really talks about that record but you listen to that record it's fucking heavy yeah it is John just started showing me stained like on the last tour we did or whatever we're just like we were like sharing a motel room and he's just like on YouTube on the TV just puts this on and it's just like wow this sounds like

every new metal band I've ever heard and John's just like yeah but this was like before all that like and I was just like oh fuck let's go like

and Mike the guitar player I think is very underrated too yeah his tuning his style and everything is just like you can see where a lot

of people get it from like totally drop on me I mean you're talking like I mean bands like you guys the band's like all the whole gent scene I mean you're talking like

he was doing G sharp I mean in in the 90s but the way he tuned it and the way he used it was like his tune is weird yeah but it was like essentially the top string was essentially like g sharp yeah riding his heavy fucking rift dude dude i remember i watched um the corn video of them covering one nice and back then i was playing a lot of metallica and i didn't understand while they were playing it on a different string than what i was used to

but it's because they had the seven strings with the six string cleaning and i was like yeah what's going on here it blew my mind at the time because i didn't understand seven strings whatsoever However, and it's like, oh, damn, this band's crazy. They're like playing it real weird. Yeah. But yeah, now I understand that. It's not weird at all, but. It's not.

Back then. Back then. That's six and seven ships is super weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. They're just playing it on their sevens, did not use the low note whatsoever in their cover. But, you know, had to play sevens. Wow.

What do you guys listen to now? Let's hear it. Fuck, I don't know. Stop. it's on you lucky we listen to the most obnoxious drum and bass music I can find to be completely honest

a lot of that have you ever listened to hyperpop yeah no never no we play a lot of hyperpop yeah you want to find something new just chuck on the hyperpop playlist on Spotify you'll probably hate it you might not like it

whenever whenever we put it on like I'd pay attention to Mitch and he will eventually just put his headphones in it and zone out. Like, every time. There's something about it, though. That and SoundCloud rap. Yeah.

10 seconds. There's something about Hyperpop, though. You can tell sometimes it's written by a metal background. Yeah. That's what's got me about it. There's like a weird underlying crossover that isn't super obvious, but it's just like it gets its hooks in here. They turn their bass up so much for the distort sometimes.

You're like, all right, it's heavy, but it's almost technical. And like this drum break will just sound like a break. down and it's just like this knocks in the same way that like a heavy band does like and it's like yeah it's obnoxious like it's obnoxious yeah I love definition yes I love like over the top obnoxious like yeah um like I don't know like fuck what's like the latest heavy band that we've been fuck we love throne have you heard of them they're like like right European fucking buster do you know buster okay yeah Buster from fucking is it Villajardo um Humanity's Last breath.

Um, and they're like, because they're like, they're a proggy, like, like, Phil Jard is like, is like, Trollers is, yeah. Throne's just heavy,

but Throne's just like mosh heavy, like, and it's just got his, his clever, like, proggy brain just on like Neanderthal ass riffs. Oh yeah.

And it's, it just hits, like, um, it's fucking mad. Yeah, fuck, what else? I don't know.

I listen to like a lot of, like, old school emo in metalcore and stuff. So, like, the whole, Resurgence is like big for me right now.

Sea Space Cowboy. Yeah, like Sea Space Cowboy, Boundaries, A Doseolm, Chamber, Vane FM, like all those types of bands. Like, I don't know, like, I know my name's Iris, but on Spotify and Instagram. Iris, Aux or whatever, like, yeah, Vatican, all that shit, like. Vatican, the new Greyhaven album. Yeah, yeah. New Greyhaven album's getting to speak.

Have you heard of them? They're like a baby every time I die. Yeah, well. Rest in peace. But like moodier. I haven't listened to that album since. I feel sad. Me neither.

I can't even touch it. I hear the voice. I'm like, fuck. As for metal. Like, we haven't really done it. Metal? Like, metal? Like, what?

Yeah, what heavy music? It's been a minute. It's something I loved. Yeah, we love ourselves a lot. I play our full. A lot. That's fucking bad ass. Yeah, and I just do.

What about you? What heavy stuff have you listened to? That's like, actually been like, Nocluce EP. Noclu's lit. It was great. I got into Lettersuffer very recently. Yeah.

Yeah. I saw them actually at Chain two weeks ago. They were their local obvious is why I have we headlining, yeah? Did they headline? Yes. I was very, I was like, I thought I was going to walk into an empty venue. Yeah. I was like, walk in packed.

I'm like, what the fuck is happening? People go feral for them, man. Yeah, it's fucking nuts, dude. Taylor is a commander. Yeah. Yeah. A natural commander. He does have a cult following.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and like charismatic as shit like yeah as soon as he's like inside there's just like

a presence yeah it's just like because he's a fucking mountain of a man like it's enormous like and not only that but he's just he sounds insane like his vocals are just fucked up like

and like him and I are buddies like and I speak to him about I was just like bro like how like how like because I just feel so shrill and like powerless and he's just like he doesn't even warm up or anything

he just like Like, he just comes out with it. I was just like, how? I was just like, I need to, what's your warm up and everything like that? And he's just like, no, just bust it, man. Like, just rip it, like. And I'm just like, like, wow. Yeah, he's just got that bone in him, like.

He got that dog in him. Yeah. Taylor Barber. Shout out, dude. Yeah, that's a dude. The first time we played Atlanta, he jumped up for a guest vocals. I saw that. Yeah.

And my fucking in-eat battery died. So the whole song was fucking shambles for the rest of us. Like, they're listening to some click that I'm not even on. Yeah. I can't hear shit. And I'm looking at Scotty like, please head banging time or something.

Please help me. And Taylor gets up for a guest team. He's like, yeah. I'm like, crap loves it. Everyone's filming. I just sprinted backstage to get batteries. So you can just seem to be like,

Piff off stage. It was so fucked. And then like, we barely saved that one and he did a really good job. And then this second time, he came up on stage and I was so ready. He's like, looking at me. I'm like,

I don't worry about it. Not fucking you this time. Oh my God. Yeah. Holy shit, you masquerade. Yeah. I saw those pictures. It looked packed.

Masquerade is sick, dude. That venue is so cool. That was the heaven, heaven room, right? Yeah. A big-ass room. Crazy. Because the first time when we were here, we did purgatory? Purgatory?

It got upgraded. No, no, it was purgatory and it moved to hell, I think. This tour has been insane. Like, last night, where did we play? Telegram Ballroom? Terra. Terra. L.A.

Yeah. And that was crazy. I was looking at the photos a second ago. And it was pretty. But the venue promoter was like, I haven't seen that happen in a while. Really? Yeah. It's like, shit.

That's bad. All right. And then was you like, I'm not going to charge you for merch. Oh my goodness. Actually, I'm going to charge you more from merch. You got to increase that too well. Which also, uh, congrats on that show is selling out. Zach was going to go to the show, but he said, I can't go.

It's sold out. Oh, bro. You know, so we got some message, Zachie. I fucked up. Zach the kid. I'm sorry, dude. God. And that was a good show too.

I kept saying like last night was my favorite show every night. But like that may have been my favorite. Yeah, last night. Can you weren't dying on stage in 40 degree heat? It had like the, it had the fucking Arizona energy, but without the heat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that was like probably the craziest like crowd wise. Like biggest reaction we've ever had. But I fucking hated it, man. It's just too fucking hard. And I'm like, I just

I just can't enjoy it when like I'm just up there fighting for my life Like, because I'm like, I don't want to half-ass The songs, you know? Like, I still want to do a good job and I'm just like, I'm anxious, I'm a like mental case I'm just like fuck like, like This is so hard, I sound like shit, it's so hot

I'm dying, this is fucked like And then I see the videos and it's just bananas All the way through like, I'm like, oh yeah, it's pretty good show It's not bad, yeah Yeah, it's not right, yeah, it's not right Yeah, it's getting my head about it. It's funny how, how, long they seem when you're living that moment but then when you look back you're

just like for like one second you're like fuck I'm fucked oh okay never mind yeah literally but like yeah you look back on it feels different that's made every show time is yeah in a performance it is like forever yeah you look back and it's like yeah especially when you hear the song come in and it's like literally I'm like we're playing what we're playing the wrong song too yeah the wrong click it doesn't feel right and we and we always look at the drummer hurry up do you start the fucking song yeah yeah yeah let's go you do it yeah i went on some keyboard that doesn't exist Mitch broke a kick drum last night yeah so that was us on stage we're like

where's the kick drum what do we do damn is this like 20 minutes now yeah literally felt like 20 minutes oh yeah it was like shout up brodie yeah bring him back the leipsic story so we were playing in pericester yeah oh yeah in fricic front of like 15,000 people. Oh my goodness. And I break my string. The one string. Not even that.

Like the housing to hold it fell out of your base. Yeah. So I broke my top string. Can't play shit. So I've like ran back stage. And like this stage is the biggest stage I've ever played. So to run across stage. It's like one corner.

Still to this day, biggest show ever. Yeah. Like I run backstage, grab my pet, like the spare string. Put the string on. I've lost my saddle somewhere on the stage. And the saddle's like, it's like a coin. So I've like ran back. on this dark stage tried to look around finally find the saddle run back take the string off

put the saddle on three tuned go out stage and like start playing the next song Sabian's like Sto Sto Stoo! Talk to him! Like all of that felt like no pressure yeah yeah it felt like how you're going 15,000 Germans 15,000 judgmental as fuck Germans yeah yeah it felt like yeah it literally felt like i was gone for like 10 minutes we record every set we look back it was like a minute and a half. Yeah. Literally. It was a long time.

A minute and a half is still a fucking long time. Yeah. It is. It feels like a fucking hour and a half. Yeah. That's like three quarters of an alpha wolf zone. Yeah. Well, shit, what do you guys got coming up?

We're going to finish off this American run with error. Yep. They're selling out all these rooms. You know, it's cool. We're getting to play with a lot of new faces. It's real cool. Yeah. Every night I do the whole.

whole like, who's seen us before? Who hasn't seen us before? And like for most of the shows, like an overwhelming amount haven't seen. Yeah. So it's like fresh crowds. Yeah. Because the shows have been like pretty crazy.

Winning over a bunch of those fans, which is real cool. Like you watch Instagram stories the next day. It's like never heard of this band before, but they fucking, they slapped. And then we got our headliner straight after. Literally the day after. I'm pretty sure we play Nashville. 15 shows? Yeah.

Which is mindblown. We're headlining shows in America. Yeah. Like first time they were like. Yeah, so we're going out with a body snatcher and Vatican. Yep, two cool bands. Yeah. What's this?

When does that start? Mid September? Mid-August. Yeah, mid-August. Yeah, I think mid-August. Have you missed in the Vatican? No. They're like a gamer-inspired medical?

Yeah, they're in that weird. I wouldn't say gamer as in like it comes over to the music. No, yeah. But like you want to play like... It's like proggy metal. Yeah. You want to play like Halo Gears of War listening to it

for some reason. Yeah. There's something about it. Just gives you that vibe. Yeah. I'll fucking love them. And then we're ripping a festival. Blue Ridge.

Yeah, play Blue Ridge. I saw that. Would you guys are playing, right? So was that sound like that? We're hitting it's a 3D festival. Oh, yeah. What day are you guys on? Mine a slip nine day, fuck you guys.

Yeah. What are you doing? Mother fuck. Boy, on our last tour here, we went to a slip-not show on our day. off. Yeah. Like,

fucking and I'm sick. Wow. Yeah, we love to play a to play to a stadium.

Because in Australia we only ever get to see them at outdoor festivals where the sound can be really shot.

Yeah, yeah. So we could see him in a stadium at their show at a not in a lot of and we're like, yeah.

In this moment and wait to war? Yeah. In this fucking moment, dude. I have not been. Have you, fuck, man.

Have you ever seen them live? Bro, they play like five songs. Over like 50 minutes. Bro, it's like a theatrical theatrical fucking

experience, man. It was sick. Yeah. I was, I was, I was, I was, like, I'm not, like, as in a slip knot as these dudes were, like, so it was, like, but I had never heard of in this moment or never listened to in this moment. We went in money. What the fuck.

I was like, I was like, yeah, wage war, cool, this would be sick. I was very excited to see Slipknot, obviously, because it's fucking slipnot. Like, I'm not an idiot, like, but I left. Nine people can't do wrong. He's fucking in this moment, dude. That's cool, man. So many cool. On Blue Ridge that we're excited for.

We're standing the whole weekend. Yeah. It's the last day of our tour's Blue Ridge. Then we get a fucking hammered for four days. Wow. Yeah. And then what, straight to Europe with Polaris. Over there for four weeks?

Yeah. 65 shows and 80 days. So what we're on right now. I saw that, you. I'm looking at your dates right now. I'm like, Jesus Christ. 26. You guys got San Francisco tomorrow?

Yep. Never been there. Never been there? Never been there. Never been there? Fuck. That's not. That's cool.

Yeah. That'd be cool. All right, tomorrow, yeah, July 26. Just so you know that this comes out, the way next week, so you guys like promote your, like, your fucking, like your tour. So next week, yeah, fuck.

Holy shit, you guys are going to Seattle, July 31st. Never been there. Never been to Seattle? Wow. Bring on Nirvana vibes. It's go. Oh, yes, we got solely city, Utah,

Denver, Colorado, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Toronto, Montreal. Holy shit, you guys are going everywhere. We're going everywhere. We're going to get in and out of Canada twice. Yeah. Oh, that's really, that sucks.

Baltimore's fucking lit. We played their last time. That's cool. Yeah, let's see. Baltimore, we did. We played the Fillmore again. Yeah. That's the same as last time.

We do, yeah. Gramacy, we did last time. Baltimore soundstage we did the last time. India and happen. But I don't think we've been there. Isn't that a car racing? I don't remember. Don't know.

No. Yeah. The headliner starts at the riff, the next one. Oh, boom. Nice to wait. Which is cool about that because the first show we ever played in America was there. Was there. Are you serious?

That's cool. That one, we got to play five shows of that tour and then COVID happened. So our first time in the States, we're super excited, got over here, ignored all the media of COVID going on. It means nothing. Wouldn't it be funny if this tour got cancelled? No, it's not going to affect us. It's not serious. Then five shows into our dream tour, go home.

Wow. Go home and isolate. Go home for two years. Do not pass, go, do not collect $200. It was like, it was like, Go home now and stay at home, or go home in a week and pay $3,000 to stay at a hotel. We're like, fuck it, bye. Go home and release an album from your house.

Where nobody can march. Wow. But anyway. Well, it's cool, man. But now we're back. We're hitting a lot of places on this headliner we've never played. So your headliner starts August 21st. 21st, yeah.

All right, shit, we've got the rhino. I don't think we've ever been there. Kansas City. Never been there? Yeah. I think a lot of these places we've never been. I think maybe what? Oklahoma.

We know Amsterdam Bar. That's, um... We played that last time. We played with Perth. That's where... We didn't talk about that. We didn't talk about that. Perth?

What? We don't talk about Perth? What? Milwaukee, Des Moise, Iowa, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Kentucky, Columbus, Ohio, Cincinnati, Ohio, Knoxville, Tennessee, Jacksonville, Florida, South Carolina. Tennessee, shout out Keith Yeager. That's so cool. And your last show in the States looks like it's September 8th, September 8th, December 8th. Can you pronounce the next venue to me?

Nope. I have a street to be there. Let's just keep going from here. Anyone. And you're off literally, not even, not even, not even, what, you're off a fucking week and then you're going to Germany. Yeah. Yeah. Holy shit, dude.

Oh my God. I think, I think once we get to Europe, that that's going to start feeling like a holiday. Yeah. After everything. Just having a bunk. Bunk. Catering. Just, yeah.

For European. European venues. I mean, I hope it's the same. It's been three years, man. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, what's Polaris's budget like?

What's that meal budget like Polaris? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 22,000 followers. That's still pretty good at? You guys suck, dude. Wow, that's looking suicide style in too. Oh, there's yeah, sickle. What was that, sick?

Sickle cell. What? Sickle cell? Yeah, that's what I said, cyclical. Ciclico, my. Oh my God. Please don't show that computer. Sickle cell.

I will not click on that. You can't say that. So guys, I just want to say, I'm so honored that you guys all came here, man. That's so fucking cool. Thank you. This is our pleasure. We were hanging out at a Walmart car park all day. We all listened to Suicide Sounds when we were 15.

Yep. And the new song is sick. Big fans. Oh, yeah. Thanks, dude. Big fan. Yeah. Back on that.

Slaming that. Yeah. Well, shameless. So promotion, new song comes out August 31st. You heard it here first. Oh, good. Oh, yeah. Locked in.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I had such a great time at the show Chain. You guys inspire me, which is hard to do. So I was like, man, these guys are fucking killing it. Holy shit. I was just watching you just fucking hit the fuck out of your drums. I was like, yeah. I got no hair anymore, so I have one job.

Yeah, one job, dude. Sometimes you don't even fucking do that. So whatever. So where can people find you guys? All right. So we got stung on the social medias, and we had to spell cult with a V because it was already taken on one platform. So that's what happens.

Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Alpha Wolf Cult, YouTube. We're trying, oh, TikTok now. Yeah. Alpha Wolf cult. It's everywhere, man. Spotify, Apple Music. Make sure you hit the cult on Twitter especially, because if you just search Alpha Wolf, you will get a bunch of it.

You're real careful when you search Alpha Wolf. Oh, did anybody actually see the furry guy the other day? Yes. You saw him? I never saw him. Was he fucked? He tweeted that he was going to die. It was crazy.

It was crazy hot as what I'm getting there. He tweeted that he was going to die of exhaustion and he should have just worn the tail on his. Was it J.T. the whole time? Yeah, Alf Wolf Colt everywhere. Everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Well, check out the tour dates, everybody.

They're literally going everywhere. So this fucking look at least. If we ain't there, we're there soon. Yeah. Or if we ain't there, we've been there. Yeah. Should have fucking been there. Sorry, Zach.

Yeah, sorry, Zach. Yeah, sorry, Zach. Should have been there, bro. Sick. All right, one, guys. Thank you. Yeah, everyone. Dude, thank you so much for having us, bro. Thank you, man.