Garza Podcast - 43: Kyle Anderson | BRAND OF SACRIFICE

Episode Date: August 29, 2022

Kyle Anderson is the singer for deathcore band Brand of Sacrifice. We talk about getting ther Summer Slaughter tour. Anime, manga influence on BOS and much more! SPONSORS: distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF! emgpickups.com Promo Code: Heavy 15% OFF! 00:00 - Intro 00:55 - Summer Slaughter tour w Cattle Decapitation, Carnifex & The Faceless 04:17 - Forming Brand of Sacrifice 07:40 - Going viral on Facebook & memes w Eclipse 10:55 - Job for a Cowboy 15:00 - Deathcore going electronic & classic 21:00 - On new BOS & listening to In flames & The Acacia Strain 23:30 - Flying to practice 24:30 - Writing & recording process at home 31:45 - Lifeblood 34:20 - Anime, Manga, Berserk and Japanese influence on BOS 44:10 - Deathcore going worldwide & addiction to cat videos on Instagram 52:20 - Smoking weed & conspiracies 56:00 - Grinding while being lazy 59:35 - Writers block w deadlinesm 01:07:00 - Fly in shows & hearing loss

Your guys' story is pretty bizarre. It was just fun to write some brutal music. And I think that shows with the music that we write. We just have fun doing it. But you went like the opposite. Well, actually, you know, I went from this, and now I'm going to just go heavy as possible. That's great, dude.

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Born and raised, Toronto. Yeah. Wow. And he came all the way from there to here to do one show. One show. Dedication, dude. Hey, it's worth it, man. Yeah, totally.

You're about to play a beautiful venue. I'm very excited. Never played that one before, so. Wow. At this point, how many tours have you guys done? Ooh. It's eight or nine. Okay.

Yeah. That's nuts. Yeah. You guys, you guys, your guys, a story is pretty bizarre because you had Brandon's

Sacrifice formed in 2018, correct? That's right, yeah. And then you guys get, your second tour is the summer slaughter. Yeah. And that is so,

that is, for that to be your second tour, that, that is pretty nuts. And also, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but,

but your story with your band behind that is, like you got you got a phone call the day before the tour was going to get announced correct that's exactly it and then you just and what you said fuck it like we're on it we didn't even talk to the other guys in the band we just straight up accepted it and said we'll figure it out after so because we wanted to make sure that we were part of that regardless so and everybody was in obviously so obviously right yeah those are rare moments where you have to make those quick choices huh Totally. I mean, you got to do it. That's a great opportunity and great bands were on that run.

We had, I think it was like a triple headliner with the faceless and cattle decapitation, which is one of my favorites. Oh, wow. Carnifex, which is a classic OG deathcore band. Yeah. It's so, it's so bizarre hearing that term old school deathcore. Like whenever I hear you, I'm like, what the fuck? Oh, my goodness. But, hey, I mean, time passes quick. It does. It's great that you guys, you guys got a call and you really took advantage of that opportunity.

Because most bands wouldn't do that. It's like, oh, like, let me talk to the guys and then how much are we going to get paid and all that shit. But then someone else will fucking swoop you. You know, it's just, I've seen it happen. You guys did, you guys did the right thing. You got to take those opportunities and sometimes time is everything. Timing is everything. It is.

So we felt that was a. a good time and a great lineup and we wanted to be a part of it. So we were going to do what we had to do. You guys get it. I mean, it's always like the what comes first and the how comes after. Exactly. It's just, and so it's funny how your brain starts to freak out. Like, no, you got, you got, you got what's going on all the time.

But, you know, most of the time, you know, when you got something bad ass comes out, you just kind of do it. You know, and just figure it out, okay, well, how are we going to get there? How are we going to, okay, we need the fucking van or, you know, then you just keep going. One day at a time. Yeah. Dude, I was listening to the band before Brandt's Sacrifice, which you were, you've been playing music with Leo for a while, correct? Long time since about 2013 or so. Wow. And you had the band called the After Image. The After Image, yeah.

Now, I'm a fan of your Clint singing on that. Oh, thank you. Appreciate it. It's fucking cool. Very different from what I do now, for sure. I know, yeah. How do you guys walking through how you guys go Because it seems like Brandon's like a vice and this band too Seems like it was you and Leo

Yeah, I mean there were some other Writers involved in that project But towards the end of it We sort of combined ideas at that point We lived together for about a year And wrote a lot of music in that span A lot of the lot of cooler after image songs And just a lot of

songs in different genres for fun. So we've always worked really well together. And I honestly wouldn't want to work with anybody else. I think we've found this crazy synergy that is a once in a lifetime kind of thing. Yeah. How do you go from that band to, hey, well, let's just write the heaviest shit of all time?

How does that, like, how did that, like, how did the brand psychopathies come up and start? So we were in, we were dealing with the after image we had an album out at the time was called eve and we had just we had plans to go to japan with that band um so we played we were going to play a couple of shows and in between that i said to leo i'm kind of bored let's try writing something that is ridiculously heavy and i sent him some examples um of stuff i was listening to i think had some Viljarda in there and like classic deathcore and we kind of put that he put together the first

song that we wrote was Eclipse so he put that together and then we just started writing really heavy songs and I was trying to challenge myself as a vocalist you know doing more low stuff and crazier vocals that I never really tried with the after image because since I was more focused on singing in sort of mid-range screams. So it was just more of a challenge of somebody to do for fun, because I always loved Death Corps growing up and brutal death metal

and all those other genres. So Leo originally came from Tech Death prior to being in the after image. He was in a band called Ascoriasis, which was local at the time. And so he has a background with death metal. Wow. So I think it came together

pretty well. It seemed pretty natural and we had a lot of fun doing it. It was actually way more fun at the time to write Brand of Sacrifice stuff than it was the after image. Really? Because so much thought had to go into all the crazy riffs and after image and keys and writing good hooks and all that kind of stuff that it was just fun to write some brutal music. And I think that shows with that with the music that we write, we just have fun doing it. We don't really care. We just release what comes natural to us. Wow, so it started off like you wanted, sounds like you wanted to, like, challenge yourself and it's just that fun. Yeah.

That's so, that's so bizarre. And the first song that you guys put out, which eventually was, I mean, that was a EP. Yeah. But, man, that was the first song you guys wrote, which is like, I mean, it's one of the most top stream songs. It is. Yeah. How do fuck is that work? You got, you guys.

I have no idea. Right out of the gaze, you guys had this fucking sound. Yeah. It's, uh, it's crazy to think about. but I think that everything just came together really well and we're still doing it that way, just both of us in our bedrooms and where everything's self-produced.

Wow. Yeah. That's so nuts. That's kind of unheard of. Do you first song you guys write together? That's, well, we found our sound, first song, boom. What the fuck is that? My goodness. Like there's no demo.

There's no fucking fourth demos. You guys just fucking boom. That is so cool to see. man. And obviously people really like that first EP. Yeah. You know, and eventually that, so then what happens when you guys dropped that EP? What, like, what happens after that? So we dropped it literally when we were in Japan at the time with our other band.

Interesting. And I sort of went under the radar for a little bit. And then people started hearing a clips. And then all of a sudden, somebody on. Facebook made a video of a pastor kind of, you know, when they, Christians speak in tongues and they kind of flop around and go nuts, but they dubbed it with eclipse. Oh, wow. And it went viral on Facebook.

So then now we started getting a lot of people hearing the band and making memes about the band with our songs in it. So it started a snowball effect, I guess, because of Facebook itself. What year is this? This would have been sort of towards the end of 2018, I'd say. 2018? And you guys went viral on Facebook? Yeah.

Wow. It's like millions of views on that silly pastor video. Damn. Biral on Facebook and then you're on memes. And then, I mean, I seen that just translated to people started streaming it. Yeah, people started streaming it. And yeah, we were totally independent. at that time.

And still we're trying to make the after image work, but I think we were realizing it was on the way out. Because like I said before, it was not really as fun to write that stuff anymore. We were sort of feeling like we had to one up everything and there was so much stress involved that maybe we created it for ourselves in our heads. Yeah.

But breaking brand of sacrifice was a breath of fresh air. It was fun, again, to make music. and that's what it's all about really, I think. And the listener can tell if your heart and soul's into something, I feel. Absolutely, you're right. People can tell, and your fans definitely can tell when you're having fun or not.

You know, that's cool. You know, usually it's backwards. Like usually you start off playing heavy shit, then people want to go, I want to do something more poppy. But you went like the opposite. Well, actually, you know, I went from this and now I'm going to just go heavy as possible.

that's great dude it's fair yeah i i don't even know how it worked out that way but i'm happy it did so you said that you guys track like you guys you guys you guys are pretty self-contained so how so i assume you recorded everything by yourselves yeah so and then you just he's put it up on spotify is that i mean so um i'll record all my vocals just in my my home office studio and Leo, same thing. He does all the guitars and he mixes. He mastered that EP as well. So it was completely all done by ourselves in our rooms.

Individually, he's in the States and I'm in Canada. But that's how we did it. And nowadays we have a distribution partner called Blood Blast. Cool. It was just a branch of nuclear blast. Rid of them, yes. So that's who we put the music out through at the moment. And for a time, we were on a record label,

unique leader records for a short period. But it started off with us just putting it on, I think it was like tune core or CD baby or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Wow. You guys put it up yourselves and it hits. Yeah. I'm just, I am a little bit confused about like, and then we'll like, we'll move on.

because I didn't know this. So how did, I wonder how the person that put your music over, like that, that preacher going crazy. I wonder how they found you guys, you know? Because if you just put it out yourself,

like how, like how you got traction. Well, I mean, I assumed they probably went, they were probably a fan of your, yeah, my,

your prior fan. Your, your, your, your, your, band. Yeah, that's probably what it was. I'm just so

fascinating because like, oh, for golf, like, you drop an EP and then boom. Holy shit, dude. I haven't seen that since fucking drop or a cowboy, dude. Holy shit. Dude, they were like our competition band. Like, they put out that EP Doom. Yeah. I was like, oh, man. That actually made me almost like, I remember, like,

I heard it, I was like, man, I fucking quit. You know, it's just like when when something's like so fucking good. It still holds up. Still holds up. Man, they struck magic with those fucking four or five songs.

Man, I wish they kept going. They don't sound like that anymore. With that sound, they just fucking, it was so cool, man. They were like, I'm a pretty competitive guy. And whenever a drive for a cowboy came up, I was like, fuck that band. Fuck that band.

But I mean, obviously, we all became friends. And I love them. we'd done our first tour ever was was with um it was we played like fucking like five 10 shows around uh here okay and no one ever knew about it it was like our first our first tours ever you know and i just yeah you guys seeing what happened with your first ep kind of taking it takes you back to like to that time's cool you know i i love seeing bands in this genre just come up you know me too yeah it's awesome it's it's growing like crazy it's

I think this resurgence I guess whatever you want to call or the new wave of Death Corps is really cool and everybody's going back and listening to all the classic albums too

which it might sound crazy to you to hear people say classic but I guess that's how people look at it now but I mean I grew up listening to Suicide Silence and Job for a Cowboy

and Carnifex and all those bands I've been in the scene a lot of people don't know that I'm a little bit older compared to some of the newer bands they're all like

a lot of early 20s guys you know I'm 32 so yeah so I was around for the first wave of death core oh nice

people don't know that yeah yeah but it's very cool to see a lot of the new bands trying new things and adding new flares and elements to deathcore it's very cool

it's even cool that you guys are doing it so weird huh it's all weird when it's you huh is that me I would say I mean how does it feel for

how has it been for for like you and and the rest of the guys coming up with this with the genre you know what I didn't I never thought that I would be a part of this genre personally

I love the music but I've always been more involved in metal core yeah so it's funny being a part of this but I always love deathcore and I always wanted to do heavier play heavier music

but I grew up playing in like melodic metalcore bands and progressive metal core bands and stuff like that. But it feels great. It feels great. And we're friends with all the other bands that are growing as well alongside us and blowing up like Lorna Shore and, you know, shadow of intent and signs of the swarm and all these, all these great bands. So it's just really cool. It feels great to be a part of it. And I'm excited to see what happens next because I think there's going to be even more bands coming personally. Totally.

So I think we're ready for like V2 of this wave soon. Oh shit. Well, I usually ask this question like later on or at the end of the pod, but since it's coming up now, where do you see it going? Hmm. I think there's probably going to be a little more electronic stuff coming. Okay. Personally.

There might also be bands going back to. to the original style that you guys coined back in the day. I think you might be some classic sound coming. Wow. Like I know that Angel Maker touched a little bit on that as well. But their newest album isn't as much in that direction. But I think you're going to see some people touch on how things used to sound. Because I think, for example, on the metalcore side,

I feel like Knock Luce is an example of 2007. 2006 metal core style. Oh yeah. Dissinent chords and the... 100%. So I think that's going to happen in death core soon too. So I think it's going to be...

It's going to go further in the direction of what maybe Brandt's Sacrifice does with electronics and orchestral stuff and whatnot. But it's also going to go the opposite direction too. I think you're going to get both. That's my guess. I could be wrong, but... Yeah.

Yeah, you're going to have a lot of bands like you guys with their own style and their own version of it. It's so cool. It's definitely a lot better now because like I mean I mean back in a day like it's kind of only one sound Then like sure like we came out and then like the copycats I was like holy shit, but but now it's it's way different now like our bandit comes up like you guys or Shadow of 10 angel maker of software everyone's kind of adding their own thing to it It's like damn. It's so crazy to see after so I mean Well over a decade and to see it evolving

finally really evolving it's so it's so fucking cool and i mean yeah i mean you're right could go to more towards like the old school way or like yeah or they're gonna have a you might have two extremes i think part of it this is my theory because there's something special about how suicide silence might approach a record when you guys are actually playing the song especially like if you look back at like the cleansing you guys are playing playing that live on the floor, there's a feel. There's a feel that's not there with the modern stuff because everything's to the grid and tight and sampled.

So I think people are going to crave that feel. Oh, wow. Interesting. I think that's going to happen. So I think you might get some more realistic sounding drums and tones and things like that if people want to go back to that classic style. That's what makes it magical, in my opinion. And obviously the vocal performance of Mitch and things like that, Yeah.

I think that's what people are missing and not realizing so much. Totally. Yeah. I mean, now like the scene is so, especially our genre. Like, I mean, we're, I mean, it sounds cheesy, but we're in a genre like, together. Our bands are coming up together. It's so weird. It's so weird to like to think about that.

But, and now there's, there's a fan base now. And there's a lot of people and new people listening to Death Corps. Yeah. And you're going to have people that have. their own taste in deathcore. It could be like, you know, it could be like the old school style or the new school style or like

or maybe this band has a lot, a little more more black metal in or maybe a little more scent or like, you know, cinematic features like like you guys, you know, this wouldn't be a lot of versions of because I think you're right, I think it's going to be craved.

And whatever style that you're craved and you're going to have options. Oh yeah, I'll listen to this band or listen to Brent's sacrifice because I want to hear this. I want to hear Suithans because I want to hear this kind of style. Yeah, it's a good thing. And neither is better than the other, you know. It's all flavors, all spices.

Yeah, it's all flavors, it's all spices. Everyone has their own opinions and preference of what kind of style they like. Yeah. But trying not to be the old guy, but it would kind of cool to see a band kind of go back to you, like, the room. And it's like, yeah, I think so. And press records, see what happens, you know. I think that'd be cool. Yeah.

I would love to do something like that personally. With you guys? Maybe, maybe, I mean, I think a lot of people like how we approach things live. Some people were hearing, oh, I didn't connect with the recordings as much, but when I saw them live, I liked them live. So maybe that would be cool for our band, too. I don't know. We could experiment, maybe do, like, an EP. a different way than we normally do it.

That's an option. That sounds cool to me. Yeah, what would you guys really want to do? Right now we're actually working on new music and we're experimenting a little bit. I've been listening to a lot of old in flames lately. Oh, wow. So a little bit of mellow death influence would be cool, I feel.

And definitely still the toolkit is there. that, you know, the orchestral stuff, the choirs and the electronics, it's all there. But we're going to try and delve into some other genres and bringing those in as well, I think. But I think in the future maybe something that's a little more raw for as an EPE or something, just to give it a shot. Oh, wow. I think that'd be cool. Kind of like how the Acacia Strain did that. What was that?

They did an EP recently. That was a completely different style than they normally do. It was very cool. Was it that two-partner? Yeah, it might have been that. I can't remember exactly the name of it, but I remember listening to it and I was like, wow, this is very different for them.

So I think it's cool to experiment for different records. Like if you're doing an EP and you want to try to do something a different style, do it. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, so it's you, Leo. To hear Mike Caputo go into a room,

so jamming would be pretty cool. Yeah. He's so tight. He is ridiculously tight The thing about if you do a live anything You've really got to have a tight drummer It's kind of like Kind of like the main like ingredient

If they're Sure The little slap sauce is like It doesn't coming from experience Like when this just doesn't like When it's not like that's okay Like we can't record this anymore We gotta fucking

Like it's just Gotta punch her in Yeah Where's Mike from? Caputo Yeah He is from Texas He's from Houston

He's a Texas guy He's a Texas guy Yeah. How do you guys fucking, okay, you have you in Toronto, you have Leo in Connecticut. He's in Connecticut, yeah. And then, yeah, Mike, your sick drummer is in Houston, Texas. How do you guys, like, practice for a tour? We usually fly out to one destination. Lately it's been Michigan.

What? So we'll drive to Michigan. We'll fly him out to Michigan to drive to wherever we're going to start the tour, and we'll stay there for about a week and just practice. before we do a tour. Really? So we're nice and warmed up and... Wow.

Feeling good. That's what we usually... It makes sure all the tech's good and all that, so... Totally. Yeah. You guys have a flying place where you guys jam to practice.

Wow. That's great. I never heard of that. It's cool. That's the way you do it. Yeah, it's just kind of a standard jam spot. It's in kind of like the hippie town of... Where is it?

Like Ann Arbor kind of area. It's just like a little jam area. Nice. We all fly in there, stay at a hotel for a week, and just practice. That's what we usually do. Nice.

Just fucking get in the room and start jamming. Yeah. Doing shots. Drinking? No. I was kidding. No. We did that quick,

but it was not sustainable. It was awesome. What about, you kind of touched on it, but I really want to get more into the writing process of you guys because I'm curious. No, again, like you guys are a little bit more scattered. So you and Leo just throwing ideas back and forth?

Yeah, so Leo, his ritual typically is he must have a hot shower to gain ideas. So he'll jump in the shower and he'll think about a song and what parts he's going to write in his head. Yeah. Gets down to the computer, pulls the guitar out, and then he starts. tracking the song as it would be final almost. And then he'll get to a certain point. He'll send me like an almost mixed version. And it'll be like, what's next?

And I'll be like, all right, I hear this, this and this. I'll hum it to him or send them an example of a song that maybe we should do something that sounds like this suffocation riff or whatever it might be. Or this soundtrack, maybe a part of the choir that sounds like this. And then it'll be like, okay, okay, cool. Come back. send me some more and then all right I have an idea for

like a hook and then we both work on the hook together sometimes I'll hum something and send it to him sometimes he'll send me like a melody or something like that we'll go back and do it that way so and then he I have like a track that's basically ready to go

and then I just I sort of do things a little backwards from other vocalists I get on the computer have my setup ready to go warm up my vocals and then I start tracking the song right away and I'm writing the lyrics as I'm tracking. So, and then I'm making the patterns as I'm tracking. That's usually how I do it.

So I base it on feel and like mood and then I get stuck sometimes so I have like a minute of a song done and it's fully tracked like ready to go for an album and then I'll come back to it like a week, finish it. Or sometimes I'll finish it all at once. Wow. It's a very weird process but that's how we've done it since day one so that's sick so you're kind of tracking a final version while riding it at the same time so like yeah there's a moment you get the spark that that energy you like it's it's on yeah i'll just

try and nail the take and then any doubles anything i'm at all this like actual studio magic stuff i'm doing it right there then and there so it's fully listenable like damn compressors are on everything's ready to go kind of thing. Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah. I would assume that's how you really captured that energy.

Because that's kind of like that's kind of the hard part. Like you want to have like this idea. Then you're literally you're writing a record. So you're going to track it like a year later or something. It's something crazy. But like and then you had to read you have to re go there and like try to bring it out onto it's really hard.

But I found problems with that historically. I found sometimes like with the after image. we'd record a song and then we'd go back and redo it again for an album and it wouldn't sound it wouldn't have the same magic as the original so i don't like to go back if i don't have to unless like a take was kind of weak or something and i was blown out or whatever it might be maybe i was a little tired oh that could have a little more power to it or maybe i'll do that as a low instead of a high it's maybe stuff like that but i feel a lot of the time the original like source that if you can get it perfect the first time, often you can't, it's possible, but I feel like sometimes certain magic

you can't replicate the same way. Totally. Yeah, that's the thing. That's the fucking magic sauce, dude. Once you get it, you're just cooking and tracking at the same time, it sounds like. Yeah.

That's the way to do it. So you guys both have, at your places at you're staying, you have like a full on set up, I assume. They're pretty minimal rigs. So I have my PC and interface, a pre-amp and an SM7B. That's it.

That's all I have. And then Leo, an interface, a guitar, and a DA. That's all we have. Neither of us even use studio monitors. Wow. You just have headphones? Just headphones. Very minimal.

Very minimal, but we try to achieve a big sound with minimal gear. Wow. Yeah, that would probably, like, mean, like, whatever take you guys have really has to have that thing to it. Yeah. Yeah, to make it sound like the way it does, which it does. It's awesome. Thank you. I mean, all you need is this mic, dude.

This is a great mic. It does everything, man. Tried and tested. Holy shit. Yeah, Mitch uses mic on No Time to Bleed. And that's, like, my first, like, what the fuck is that funny-looking mic, dude? holy shit then you learn like the history about it and like yeah it's just it's a fucking yeah time tested fucking it's just so good on heavy vocals it's just why is that i don't know

i don't know it's just captures the fucking aggression really does it's just it's really clear too it's super clear like maybe a little bit of EQ and the right compressors and it's good to go it's it's not a lot of hard work you to do to this mike damn get the right voice into it yeah Most voices are solid in this mic, I find. A lot of the time you don't have to change mics. Interesting. Do you have to do it? Oh, wait, you actually have the preamp.

Because like with like this, you need like a, because these, I'm obviously they're great quality of mic speed, kind of you need something to, to boost it. Yeah, yeah. As part of volume. Like what, when you're like a heavy singer, like what, do you need to do that or what, like, I still do it, but my interface is very low as far as the volume knob on my interface. But I like that extra gain without having to push the interface too much so you don't get any of that buzz or noise or anything. So it's like a clean signal.

Interesting. Yeah. It makes sense. So you turn the preamp lower and then you turn the interface lower. Yeah, turn the interface lower and use the preempt to boost the signal clean. It's just a cloud lifter That little blue box It goes in between

Yeah, I got the This right here Yeah, exactly that I got the fucking back version Is it something so simple It's great It doesn't add any color of any kind Which is nice

Keeps the mic as it sounds And then you can do all the work On the back end Wow How was it for you guys doing My personal favorite My personal favorite song of you guys is lifeblood.

That's a great one. It's very fun to play live. Is it? Yeah. I guess you would call it a chorus? Yeah. Yeah, there's a chorus in there. Dun, dun, dun, dun, done.

I mean, is there two versions of that song? There's one with Will. Yep. And the one on the record is. There's also a remix one that's sort of like an EDM version. I love that remix. I was just playing your shit on Spotify a day just letting it go. And like an hour in, I'm like,

what the fuck is this? I'm looking at my, oh, that they're remixed. I mean, I tend not to like delight remixes at all, but for some reason that one is fucking sick. Yeah, that one's super, that's Leo too. Is that Leo? Yeah, he remixed that as well. What the fuck? That guy sucks,

dude. Holy shit, dude. That's fucking, he does remixes as well? Yeah. Dude, that's a talented young man. He is, I don't know. He's God tier. He can do anything. You guys are both freaks, dude.

Oh, my God. You guys are just dealing crazy shit with fucking one mic. Jesus, man. The hell, dude. I need all those crazy shit to make me sound cool. God, you guys are just doing it. This is bare stuff. That's a really, dude. I mean, it's funny

when that remix came on, I was like, I was looking at the song credits, my, you know, I was looking for, like, the DJ or, like, remix here. Like, who did this? And I couldn't have fined anyone. I'm like, that's odd, you know? But now that explains it. Yeah, yeah. Because Leo did it. He did.

Usually, like, what's kind of cool about that is like you guys did it and then you posted it you know what was like whose idea what was that so we put out a song called enemy and we wanted to sort of add more content to that release so it was yeah we sort of had an EP I guess it was like three songs cool with that and so that track we introduced a little bit of clean singing in it Well, it's aggressive singing, but... Yeah. And it features Spencer Chamberlain from Under oath as well.

Cool. So it's pretty cool across-genre action. And then we added those remixes to that little EP to have a little more content in between Lifeblood and whatever would come next. So that was really the idea with it. And originally we were going to do sort of orchestral arrangements. Yeah. But I thought it'd be cool to play with some electronic.

stuff since we do lean into electronic usage in our music. But maybe we will still do some orchestral tracks too. Yeah, you guys, it's pretty obvious that you guys kind of take influences from a ton of areas. I mean, I've seen like you guys are inspired by anime, cinematic hip-pop. You guys just take all kinds of shit, right? It's awesome, man. Thank you. You guys aren't afraid to be inspired from other things other than the chosen genre that you're playing, which is huge. Yeah. And we do that. We take everything but from metal, you know.

It's kind of how you get like your personality in there. Exactly. You know? It's an expression of yourself, really, your music. So, I mean, for me, I just want to incorporate all the things I like in life. Yeah. If I can, somehow. So you like anime, huh?

I do. Okay. I do a lot. Okay, is it, which I learned from you actually, is it manga? Manga, yeah. Manga, yeah. I'm not from it because I thought it's a mega. A lot of people call it that.

It's kind of interchangeable. I think it's manga technically the way it's supposed to be said. So that's all you, right? That's all me. Yeah, Leo's not so much into that stuff. Wow. So I take it you take the theme from that? Yeah, so it's the,

Originally the project is based on a manga called berserk. Yes. By an author Cantaro Murah. He actually just passed away, rest in peace. But, yeah, that's one of my favorite animas and manga series of all time. And I think I've always said that it's basically the death metal of anime. Yeah. Or manga.

Because it's so dark and decrepit. but it's also deep and philosophical and beautiful at times. So I think that it was a good reflection of the sound we were sort of coming up with with the music that we were writing together, Leo and I. So that was the idea since we originally had just planned for this to be a one-off, just like one EP to see if we could kind of do this style and have some fun doing it. And then it ended up being the main project. But that's where it all started.

was from that influence from berserk that is that is so that is that's fucking crazy man you have this idea then you oh i mean i'm inspired by you know berserk and then you put that idea and oh it's a fun project it's fine see it's what happens

that's so cool man people just i guess they just connected to it i don't i honestly i'm not well versed in the anime at all. I know nothing about it. That's all right. So, but from the little, that do you understand about it from what you're telling me,

it sounds like the, the circle was like fucking, it sounds like a dark. It's a dark. Yeah, like a. So like a lot of the really popular ones, like One Piece and bleach and all that kind of stuff is like a shonen. That's what they call it. Like the more lighthearted stuff. It might have dark moments.

Yeah. And I believe like berserk and. other series in that vein or is going to be like called a sign-in, which is more adult manga. Got it. Or anime. So that's sort of the difference between them. It would be like your R-rated type stuff.

Got it. Got it. As opposed to your PG-13 or that kind of thing, which is more much shown in as is more like PG-13 type stuff. Oh, wow. So they call it different things for like that. They call it different things. And it's also.

magazine related because there's the big magazines called Shonen Jump in Japan which they release a lot of the series that became huge hits like bleach and one piece and all that kind of stuff so and Noruto

wow so it all kind of stems from that how does someone get into anime? Especially not only anime but like the dark shit so I'd say if I was recommending something,

if you like binging TV series and dramas or thrillers or even like fantasy stuff like Game of Thrones or whatnot, you could start with something like, I have a friend that refused to watch anime. I thought it was so lame and stupid and whatnot as cartoony. And he watched one called, called Death Note. Fell in love with it.

Now he has a tattoo, a huge forearm tattoo. One of the characters called Ryuk from the show. So that would be a good one I'd say to start with. Death Note. Death note. I think that one's very palatable

for those who haven't really seen or watched a lot of anime or read manga. And then the other one I would say would be One Punch Man. My dad refuses, again, to watch anime, He couldn't stop watching One Punch Man.

So that's another really good one. One Punch Man? One Punch Man. Wow. I'm getting tattoos, man. I'm like, I don't like it. Then you can see me next time in the fucking chest piece. It happens if you fucking connect with something, you just want to, oh my God, I got to fucking go.

And you can't stop. It's all I think about when you really connect with something that hits. I feel. And I'm happy that for my friend, he was able to. to find that because I think there's something that's missing in some sort of Western media that's special about the style of Japanese and even Korean anime and manga. So I think it's worth diving into you. And there's something for everybody. Not everything is for everyone. But there's all different genres and styles. There's really dark stuff like Preserk. There's

really lighthearted stuff with cute characters that are for kids. There's everything you think of in the world of anime. Wow. It seems like you have a connection with the Japanese culture, it sounds like. Definitely. Dude, you guys could go out there. Yeah, we definitely do with this band. You have to.

I mean, essentially, you have to, man. Yeah. Man, you will fucking, your mind will blow off. Dude, it's like, oh, shit. I'm surrounded by anime. They have some cool shit there, dude. We've only been there once. I was actually able to go with the after image.

Really? Yeah, I was able to go. Oh, shit. We went to Tokyo and Osaka. We played those two shows. And I didn't get a ton of time there, but I really want to go back. I'm telling my girlfriend we're going to go. How was it for you?

It was really good. Super, super polite people. And it was actually weird when we played the show because I was not used to how attentive and actually quiet in between songs. People were, because in America, if you're quiet in between songs, it's maybe you're doing something wrong. You suck.

Or you suck, yeah. But there, people are singing along when you're playing, and then they want to hear what you have to say. And they're very attentive and they're very polite. And they're excited when you're playing, but they really want to hear what you have to say in between songs. So that was a little odd for me to get used to. And then at first I was like, like,

oh are we like garbage right now like but no it was just how sort of they react in that scenario and they'll cheer if you say something you know to get them pumped up but yeah it was dead quiet in between songs like i could hear yeah like anything happened any little drop of a pin i could hear it so damn not used to that did you get a chance to like to walk the streets at all i did a little bit and uh i was able to go the polcomon center which was pretty sweet We went to Tower Records, which is very cool. Yeah, that place is cool, man. And we checked out a few temples.

Sick. So there's so much more to do, so I have to go back soon. But that was back in 2018, May of 2018. We did that. Oh, yeah, you're saying that you dropped the EP. Yeah, we were there, yeah. Oh, wow. That's funny because, yeah, you drop a,

an EP with a heavy fucking band as themed, and then you're already out there. Yeah, and nobody knew about it there when we were there. They only knew about the existing band. And it's funny because we were treated like the biggest band in the world when we were there, but we had no connection with the after image in America comparatively. Nobody knew who we were.

They were a small band. But when we were in Japan, they treated us like we were rock stars. So, nuts. It's funny how things go. Holy shit dude I mean I can't wait to see how How you guys connect there I mean yeah I mean

Yeah they would have to know like your Your connection With that place and and the culture now Now that I mean I've heard you say that like a few times So I mean it's out there So I'm really curious how they They receive a brand of sacrifice Curious

Yeah me too I'm not sure because I don't know what Death Corps is like in Japan. I'm not too tuned in with it as far as popularity. Yeah. But they love metal. That's for sure. Love metal.

That's just kind of also crazy about like our genre. It's still growing in other places of the world. You have like the States, you have, you know, Canada, Mexico, South America, Europe, and Australia of Japan. They're all kind of taking it in in their own way and growing at their own. pace, which is really cool. Yeah. You might tour a lot here, but then, you know, you still got to go to Japan. You know, who knows where the decor scene is at there, you know.

It's still like a new genre. It is. You know, to like, you know, other places and other people is brand new. Someone's hearing Brennan's sacrifice right now. They're like, who, who's this? Who? Yeah. Some thing about it right now, dude.

Holy shit. It's growing. It's a magical thing. The internet has really helped connect people musically, for sure. It's one of the few positives. There is a few positives with the internet. You know? Yeah.

There's this. People can hear your music, you know. If you use, depending on how you use social media, I found a lot of positives in it as far as connecting with people. You try to turn off. It's really hard to use social media for what it is and also not get addicted to it. Totally. You know, I was, I was thinking about this, uh, fuck, like a few days ago, like, damn, am I thinking to my phone?

Holy shit. I'm on it all the time, dude. I need to fucking chill out. You know, got to, like, kind of step back and like, okay, and they fucking put it down for a little bit. But it's so hard because there is benefits to it. Totally. There's undeniable benefits to connecting with people or just to meeting new friends. Trying to find that like, you know, middle ground, you know.

Because I'll go on Instagram and just look up, like, kitty cat videos. Same. I'll just do it. Like, I'm looking at cat reels for, I don't know how long. And because I'm just looking for stuff to send my girlfriend. I'm just looking at all his cat videos. I'm like, oh, I end up going to put this down for a little bit, dude. I mean, it's so, but it's so.

It's been an hour. Yeah. But, man, but it's so positive. It's just pure love. When you see a cat video dude You're just like oh man It's just the only these cute little cats You know they're all like they're all being

Being cats Love cats Same Now I could definitely tell that you're A cat person I love it I love it And it's like here's Kyle

He's definitely a psychopath You know Yeah I mean dude There's so And it's endless too Cat videos are endless Some I mean yeah

It's just pure Pure love But then obviously, oh, you fucking, so much time this goes by, okay, you know, I'm addicted to cat videos now. Well, with your phone, too, like, you're often just using it to kill time to you, if you're standing in a line waiting for coffee or waiting for a train, you know, you're just kind of on your phone anyway. Yeah. There, I've seen, I read an article recently where people are actually buying what they call dumb phones.

They're going back to those old Nokia's and things like. like that that don't really have a lot of internet connectivity. And there was one girl who had done it for six months. She worked an office job, so she's still on the computer and answering emails and whatnot, but she wasn't really using her phone. She found that she was able to sleep a little bit better at night. She was way less stress. It actually reduced tension in her body by not using her phone as much because we use our phones

for at least three hours a day if we're even in passing when we're just scrolling looking at stuff. Totally. But for some people that's just not possible depending on what you do for work. Yeah. You know, if you're in business,

you've got to be connected. You've got to be able to respond to those emails really quickly. If you're out and about and going to meetings, things like it's impossible. Yeah. And imagine typing a text message, pressing the button three times to get one character again.

I don't want to go back to those days personally. I'd rather have a proper keyboard. I know. It's really hard to go back, dude. It's so fucking tough. How are you doing with your phone? Honestly, I'm probably on it too much as well. I definitely scroll the cat videos a lot.

But, I mean, I have to use it a lot for the band. And also I have like another business called Shibori Threads. It's like a custom tie-dye streetwear brand. with metal bands. So I'm often doing customer service stuff or talking to clients or you know whatever factory I'm working with at the time and whatnot. So

that's also part of it. But I might as well sit on my PC and do that but sometimes you're out and about and you need to be able to respond to things. I know it's tough. Like some people, some phone calls or some text like require like an ASAP answer. It's just like fuck.

you know how possible you're doing and send them to text or a quick phone call you need it you know when you're a business you're talking to other people in business that are doing the same thing that are fucking going you know yeah it's

it's tough man it's so tough are you on TikTok yet I am unfortunately I don't create TikTok myself like my personal self we definitely do it for the band but it's real

that algorithm rhythm is evil. It's so good. It's so easy to get sucked in for so long. Yep. Yeah. They know what they're doing. But it's also a great tool for bands. Totally. To get noticed. Whether it's related to you being a sound that becomes popular or if it's your own channel, whatever it might be, but super useful tool. I know the labels are really pushing it hard and some artists are pushing back on that. But it's a pretty undeniable that it's a good tool. It's undeniable. I've been telling my

dinosaur ban fucking for part of two years, hey we've got to get a TikTok, got to get on TikTok and they're finally banning all. You finally see the importance that I do. It is the language on the app is definitely far more advanced than my experience. Like you had like the jump from

I don't know if you remember Friendster. No, I don't remember Friendster. Frenchter was right before Myspace. Okay. So that jump was easy. The jump from MySpace to Facebook was pretty easy. Then you had obviously Facebook to Instagram is pretty easy. But that jump from Instagram to TikTok was a very, that was a big jump.

It is a very different environment. If you go like in TikTok, I'm like, holy shit, this is a lot. And it took me a long time to kind of understand it and understand like the, I don't know, hashtags. And I guess you could say the communication, culture and language, you know, it's tough. But yeah, it's undeniable. I mean, one day I had 49 followers and a month later I had like 2,000 followers. And like I have a few, you know, clips I did like, you know, like 100,000, which is just not possible on Instagram. No, it's not that it's Instagram.

They just want you to pay for ads. Yes. So they really throttle you. And same with Facebook. Facebook isn't what it used to be for reach. And even when you, I feel if you know what you're doing with ads, you can get a little more. reach, but TikTok is free. If you know what to navigate it.

Now, some things I don't think are, we'll never really know because we can't see the back end. But when things do work, it works far more effectively than Facebook and Instagram, I think, at this point in time. Totally. It's uneniable. It works very well. I definitely, definitely have been living my life differently the past few months.

I don't, you kind of need to, I'm on a conspiracy guy, but like, you know, I do believe like there's something in TikTok if you read like the, what they're allowed to do in your phone. It's kind of alarming. So, okay, you know, I don't, you know, I'm not, I don't take shits anymore with, about being on my phone. I just don't do it anymore. Little, little things, you know, I mean, I mean, okay, there's a camera staring back in my face. Yeah. I'd rather not have videos with me taking a shit that just fucking pop up somewhere, you know. Dude, they have access to your camera, your, your, your, your microphone, what you're typing, they have access to, like, to all that shit.

So literally since then, dude, you know, I don't, I'm not really, I'm just careful what kind of pictures I take. You know, I don't take news or anything, but, you know, I just don't want to take pictures where like, oh, no, I would, what, would I want this out? Yeah. I mean, typing. I had this idea like, it was last November. I was high. I was high and thinking about the cell phone. I'm like, it's kind of weird, like, let's say we're talking about TikTok.

Okay, like I put a lot of stuff in my notepad. You know, just like notes, things to do, ideas I have for songs, ideas I have for this business or business ideas. And pretty much everything I have in my head is in my notebook. You know you'll know a lot about me and like what I want to do. I was like Someone has access to that straight up and they whatever idea I have can be literally stolen and There's no way that there's no way to trace that no there wouldn't be you know it's like this is obviously me being high and And and it's before I downloaded the app of a TikTok and now I downloaded it I'm like oh shit I need to be careful while I'm typing into my no pad

because because your ideas could be fucking just yanked It might be a little bit of conspiracy in there. But I don't know. I just, I feel like when you type something, especially with an app so invasive, like you kind of, just,

you know, think about, you know, just think it a little bit, you know. I've already fucked up. I put it all my passwords in there. It's just all my shit for like,

you know, all my passwords are, it's there on my phone. And if you want to hack into my shit, you're going to, hell, have all my passwords. It's like,

damn, you got, just trying to be careful, you know. I think there is, there's always a price to pay there's always a price me have something so

because TikTok is pretty fucking sick I mean once you get a hang of it and I'm like well this is great it's not it's not cheated yet it's not like no one's negative on it yet so it's kind of enjoyable it was very positive I'm having

I mean planning comments and it's a positive conversation oh this is this is nice and obviously like the algorithm is just like so advanced and beneficial. I don't even want to start looking at cat videos yet on TikTok.

I'm actually afraid. I mean, I'm already addicted to Instagram cat videos. If I look at one fucking cat video on TikTok, my phone might fucking explode. I don't know. But it's this undeniable. If you're a band,

it's really, it's really un... Don't be us. If you're a band, you've really got to get on there. And at least, like, you know, experiment with it. Something might hit.

something, they might not, but I think just trying, I'm a mistake that my band made is like, you know, I mean, we're fucking jaded. We're a little bit older and I'll be like,

hey, we should get on this. And then like, well, I don't really think we should understand that. This laziness. If you're just not lazy and you try to go into it, there is a lot of benefits and just learning about what's,

I think even if you don't use it, just learn what's around you, you know? Yeah. And I do notice like a lack of discipline, especially when talking musicians, because we're fucking lazy, dude. Musicians are so lazy. You know, so I like, you know. Got to grind.

You got to grind. I really appreciate it. And it doesn't stop. It doesn't. That's what. Sometimes I take the foot off the gas pedal and I realize, you know what, there's so much more work to be done. There's so much. There's a way better tour we could still get.

There's a more audience to capture in this area or in that area. We haven't done this kind of video yet. We haven't written this kind of song. There's always more you can do. And there's always more things to learn. Yeah. And there's always smarter people than you that you can meet. 100%.

I mean, that's sort of how we've been trying to navigate things. And that's what I always try and tell myself when I get. You know, I do a tour. We were talking about touring for two and three months at a time and how grueling that can be. But, yeah. And I was pretty dead after the last couple of runs we did. And I took the foot off the gas pedal. and I started feeling a little depressed about it.

Wow. And now I'm like, okay, I got to do this, that, and the next thing, okay, I'm going to design this tonight. I'm going to get this done. So I would encourage people in, especially young bands, to grind harder than you ever have prior, and don't stop doing it. If the band starts getting bigger,

there's still always more you can do. Absolutely. Absolutely. Do you feel any pressure being like an up-accoming band like this was so much around you and these these kind of years where like all your

kind of pressure to do this and that and this I mean what's it been like like for you guys coming up? I think the more we've grown I think the pressure increases I think the music is still fun to make and I've always said to Leo and everybody else if it's not fun to make

this stuff anymore we have to probably re-evaluate what's going on with the band. Yes. Because we said it before and we'll say it again, that people can tell when you're not having fun, creating something. And you're not in it. But it's more fun than it ever has been to write the music. But what starts to become a pressure is releasing things at the right time.

Or actually, maybe we do need to put a record out this year instead of next year because like things are really popping right now and we want to make sure that you're a part of the wave. You know, for us, we will do things our own way and incorporate things that we like stylistically, but there's also sort of a meta. I think there's always sort of a meta in metal music or any kind of core music of some sort.

So thinking about how you can be a part of that without sounding dated if people come back to listen to that album when that meta doesn't exist. Those are things to think about. And those are sort of little pressures that you might have in the back of the mind. But I think it's more release-related stuff that is a pressure for us now.

But not so much writing the music. I think that comes naturally. Sometimes for me, I get stuck a little bit. I don't know how Leo is such a machine. He gets stuck and he's like so upset when he gets stuck. And I'm like, man, I've been stuck for like weeks at a time and you get stuck and the next week you finish the song. That's amazing still.

Yeah. That's like unheard of actually. Yeah. And I'm like for me, sometimes I'll get stuck for a month. So that can happen. But we get it done eventually. We always hit the deadlines that we set. So but yeah, I think making sure that you get the quality music out in the right time, that's the pressure now.

Yeah. And making sure you are a part of the right tours. as well. Yeah, right towards you definitely very, very crucial. I mean, but that is, that is good pressure though. Definitely. You know, like, oh, you know, we do need, we're humans and there's something about having a deadline. There's something about it that we're like, you get more creative.

And even if you might have like a writer's block here and there, like there's just something about the deadline. That I don't know, I don't know what it is. why we're wired that way but I should have put our record in three months and we're writing much six months ago but for some reason when you know that deadline you just come up with

songs to start appearing I think you're right I think there's two things that I think are very important they sound so simple and but they help number one is lists and number two is deadlines

for bands if you're thinking about a record. If you have a list, you can compartmentalize one thing at a time. All right. I got to get the lyrics done today, or I got to get this idea started today. And then tomorrow I'll do that. Having a list of what you need to get done

and then deadlines of when you need to do them, that's so helpful. Very helpful. So just the basic organizational stuff. But when you like, oh, we'll write it. We'll get to that. You can't make magic happen. in this amount of time.

But you can actually, I think. Yes. I think often because of the, like you're saying, having the deadline, you might have created something you wouldn't have possibly by having all the time in the world. Yes. Very, very true.

There's something about this going, you know. Or sometimes you have like a, maybe the song isn't that sick or maybe for you guys, like, or maybe like the lyrics not so sick, but for some reason when you start the process, it'll just lead you to somewhere.

Yeah. Yeah, if you're just doing it, like you'll, you will be led somewhere. It's like this going and like you're just, you're going to like the unknown. You're constantly going to like the unknown. But you have to start. You have to. Because, I mean, also as humans were very like, things have to be perfect. And you want to wait for like the right time.

But yeah, I mean, you guys are doing it. It's fucking proud of EP and boom. Yeah. Or to start working on a record. and you guys are sounds like Leo is a very talented guy he is

he sounds like a machine he is it's very helpful to have someone like that in your band that is that creative and I bet he

inspires you yeah he does definitely it's great like when you get a new energy when you have someone in your band

or your close circle that has that energy it does affect you in a very positive way totally you know it's just like shit like I mean

I got a fucking do something he's broke with the song i gotta fucking write a song now or i gotta i gotta finish this thing that he finished you know it's just yeah it's constant like he's kind you know you don't want to like lead you know let down your your band you know that that's what i feel if i'm like getting stuck i feel like i'm letting him down and he doesn't feel that way yeah like he he he's aware of deadlines and things like but he doesn't feel like i'm letting him down and he's told me that but i feel like i am you know and yeah he's he's cranked out three songs and i can't even crank out just the vocals and But it happens.

It's because it's, you know, at the end of the day when you're a singer, it's a little different than an instrument. Like you speak, you can speak to someone, a human being with an instrument. But when you're another human being, that's a different level. You know what I mean? So that connection is important and making sure that you can nail that is another thing. And sometimes it just comes. And other times it's going to take time. So I was trying to remind myself of that when I'm putting things together.

That it's, you know, the human connection is important. And you got to make sure that that's right, that's sitting correctly. Yeah. Do you find that even sometimes when you're not inspired, you can still come up with something that will connect with people? I think sometimes, but I feel I'll be able to tell I'll have to go back to something and change it a little bit. Yeah.

If I feel like it's not quite right. So luckily I have a lot to draw from, you know, because I have. those inspirations from manga and things like that but at the end of the day I want to be able to have the average person still get something from the music uh lyrically as well or even just from the way i sound or the aggression that's there if they don't read as much into the lyrics so yeah well shit I mean you guys are pretty consistent and seem like you're very busy like how How long have you sat with a idea? Like, because you track vocals right then and there.

So I'm curious, how long have you ever sat with like a, I saw it a song, but how long it took this long to actually finish it? I think the song, if I'm looking at like our last record as an example. So there's the song Lifeblood itself. I literally did that in six hours. Lyrics, tracking everything, all in one shot. wrote it and recorded in one shot in one in a day basically

then there was a song on there called Prophecy of the Falcon and that one took like months to finish and I think I did vocals three or four different times on that song Wow it just wasn't

it just wasn't coming the same way so there are songs where it takes a long time and there's songs where it's just okay everything's just hitting I don't have to change anything. It's good to go. Yeah.

I prefer those experiences, but they're a little more rare, I'd say. Yeah. Yeah, every once in a while, you just kind of hammer it out. It's like, oh, this is, you're not working, but like, you just, okay, I just want to put some time into it. It happens, you know. Yeah. I mean, could be a hit, could not be hit, but we don't, we don't know. You know, like, your fan base will take it and, and deal what they want with it, you know?

Yeah. It's crazy. Well, shit, man. I don't want to keep you for too long. I really appreciate your time, Kyle. Yeah, thanks for having me. It's really cool to see you guys fucking slaying it. Thank you.

It's cool, man. And I want to be surprised if we do a tour together at some point. I would love to do that. That would be amazing. I mean, man, you guys throw from fucking, what, Toronto? And came here to Sok out to play one show. That's what you got to do, man. That's fucking sick.

Wait, did you guys drive here or? We flew. We flew. Yeah. So everyone flew separately. Yeah. Obviously. I flew with my girlfriend from the Buffalo area.

And then the other guys flew from Houston and Toronto. And then Leo was, he flew out of New Jersey, I think. What are you doing for gear? We're all in the box anyway. So it's all direct. Wow. So we just have one rack and we run that and it's got my wireless mic set up in there. We got the fins, everything we need.

Pretty minimal setup, even live as well. And then just a laptop and we rented a drum kit. And you guys are self-contained as fuck, dude. Holy shit, man. That's great. It's cool. I mean, I know you mentioned you have a rack, but what? Is that one straight up rack or do you fly with multiple?

cases and then build a rack here? So we're probably we're going to use a little more than we normally do. So we're going to, we brought some of the components on the plane and then we're going to build a little bit bigger rack. Our tech has

another rack for us that we're going to use. But usually it's just a one maybe this high rack and everything's in it. So it's one tower power, that's about it. But we're going to get a little bit more substantial with it because we hadn't been running ears for a long time.

So now we're getting on the ears and adding interface, bigger interface and compressors and all that stuff. So it's going to get a little more complicated. But we were running it pretty minimal before. Actually, is that kind of rare where, like, you have, you have, like, the D.I. stuff, but usually those bands are on ears. So are you just blasting the wedge? Yeah, we were just blasting the wedge before.

Oh, wow. Yeah, it was a little rough, to be honest, but. Really? Yeah. I mean, sometimes a venue has amazing wedges and it's no big deal. But then you introduce things like possible feedback and which don't really exist when you're on ears. So I would love to eliminate that. But I mean, I switch to the telefunken mics and that doesn't have as much of an issue with the feedback compared to like sure stuff that I've had in the past I've found. But I would love to go to ears just because you get that precise sound. and it's a lot better for singers, I think, too, just to make sure you're consistent and whatnot. You can hear everything as you should hear it. You see the singer is always either they'll fucking tick out one year sometimes.

Yeah. So you have the option. It's really cool to hear that condensed sound, but then like to get like the sound on the room too. I do, I often use just like a weird vocal thing, but I often use the resonance from the room to make sure I'm hitting my low right sometimes. Really?

Yeah. How does that work? Sometimes I hear the sound, hitting the wall and coming back to me, and then I'll know if my tone's in the right spot. So it's a little weird thing, but you can't do that with ears the same way. Oh, wow.

So that's how I know it's hitting correctly for the crowd, because I'm not going to hear it in my wedge with the mix at the crowd's hearing. It's going to be pretty dry. Interesting. That's what I use. It's a little weird thing that I do. But I won't be able to do that as much.

I guess I could do it if I took one year out. Yeah. Holy shit. I never heard that before. Yeah. It's just a weird thing that I do. But it's cool because you're actually feeling, you're really filling a room. Yeah.

Like you kind of have to. You do, yeah. I think some people don't like yours because they want that feel of the crowd and the loud amps and things like that. but yeah it's but it is a lot more precise and consistent so yeah i also assume it's probably better for your hearing yeah that too especially if you're doing months and months of touring yeah every day blasting your ears it's gonna i mean i'm waking up with ringing even now so that's not oh yeah yeah it's got to go to ears welcome to our lives man you're like shit gotta fucking fix us yeah oh man i need a good pair of

of a I like those earplics that have the filters in them but those like those little db

filters I'm kind of waiting for them to get a little bit more advanced but they're I mean we're on

right on the cuff where like they're coming out they're getting a little bit sicker like the ear molds with that little

like filter because I try in hers and I fucking god so fuck man and the but don't do what I do

I'm fucking death anyway well Kyle dude it was fucking really cool seeing you I'm actually really

looking forward to seeing you and the band tomorrow at a fucking massive venue. Great, great PA. Very stoked. So you're really going to hear your vocals bounce off the walls there. Well, let me guys. And where can people find you? I can find us on YouTube, Spotify, Facebook, TikTok. On TikTok.

Oh, my goodness. Do not take shits while you're on the phone. They fucking see you. What about personal? Same thing with all those, minus the TikTok. I'm not really posting on there. But I also stream on Twitch sometimes. Oh, cool.

So it's just Kyle of sacrifice. Nice. Cool. Well, Kyle, thank you again. And yeah, that's it. Thank you, everyone. Later.