Garza Podcast - 48: Meshuggah N' Blunts

Episode Date: October 10, 2022

Garza and Zack the Kid talk about recently seeing Meshuggah, taking risks in music, the new Slipknot record & much more! SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB TIME CODES: 00:00 - Intro 00:40 - Papa Roach & Evanescence being great live bands 6:12 - Meshuggah playing Rational Gaze 11:24 - Cobra Kai & Dahmer 16:06 - Dark & the beautiful 23:51 - Peace in chaos 28:39 - Carlos Santana on the podcast? 35:00- Garza playing deathcore longer than anyone? 41:50 - Taking risks in heavy music 45:00 - The new Slipknot record 48:37 - Wearing football jerseys

level of dark like you know like you reading the book about dom or like watching like a document on netflix people are so drawn to that it's like when people talk about heavy music you know from the hard we're seeing it was like i know they thought about slip up but no one said it yeah he's like until now right until now whenever i need music gear i always go to sweetwater dot com if it's mics headphones or studio and recording gear sweet water has you covered next time you need any music gear support the podcast by using the link in the description and comment section below and we are also brought to you by blunts and caffeine correct which one uh should we should we choose here um you like the crooked one huh the the one yeah this one looks

like the most solid this one yeah yeah my uh via youtube thank you i learned how to roll joints oh nice you rolled a cone too that's a little bit tougher mine mine are very cony yeah like those Like those are the ones that I personally enjoy doing. I feel like they burn better too. Do they? Yeah, it's like more even. I'm definitely not, uh, what's that word connoisseur? Kineser.

Yeah. I just, I just do things. Marijuana connoisseur. That's always funny. Yeah. Well, that's working. All right. So.

Cheers. So, Zach, he almost died for the podcast. I just want to say publicly that I appreciate that. Amen. Whatever it takes to get it done, right? Oh my goodness. So you flew on today from Aftershock. How was that festival? Man, honestly, I had a great time. It was, uh, it's cool. I love Aftershock because it, uh, it's like the closest thing I think that Americans get to like that real European music festival experience, you know, like not just that it's like multiple days. Yeah. But the lineups are just so cool and like that.

diverse. Yeah. You know, like, you see Slipknot and Evanescence in the same day. That's so sick. And Rob Zombie. You know what I mean? Like. That is fucking sick, huh?

Yeah. I feel like there's very few festivals, you know, at least in the U.S. I know Europe has so many, like, really sick festivals. But in the U.S., you don't really see, like, that caliber of lineup too often, you know? No. Who do you think was like, what's the right word? Not softest, but. more chill artist band there

like most mellow yeah I guess there was like different kinds of melodic young young blood is pretty melodic because he's you know he's more so like an alt pop artist

okay like he has high energy but he you know he has a lot of like really like kind of pretty sounding melodies and stuff and his vocals

nice and then probably I mean Evan essence like Amy Lee's vocals are just like you don't need I mean, they have heavy riffs, heavy songs, but honestly, I was cool just, you know, hearing her melodies. They're so amazing.

You forget how an amazing singer she is. Yeah. I mean, I'm just hearing clips because they're on tour of corn. Oh, yeah. Seeing clips and hearing. I'm like, damn, I have, oh, beautiful voice. And you forget about those hits. Yeah.

Oh, those songs, God damn. No, I know. Seeing it, I mean, I kept saying that throughout the whole weekend, but seeing them, especially in person i think it hit different for me part sounding incredible yeah they're so tight you know and the song still hold up yeah and shout out to their drummer will will hunt he's a fucking phenomenal oh dude he was killing it yeah yeah it's just loving life yeah no that's and that's the best thing too is when you can tell the bands are really enjoying themselves on stage yeah i think it like the fans notice it for sure totally who's your favorite band like as far as performance like who

Yeah, I mean, what stuck with you? What was like, oh, that was like the band? What was like your favorite? If I had to pick a top three, I would say, well, last night, Papa Roach played right before My Chemical Romance. Oh, wow, that's fucking sick. And, man, they're so good live. They are. Jacoby is such an incredible performer.

Like, my mind was blown. Really? Yeah, just, like, lately, I've been really paying attention when I see live bands. how well the front man captures the audience. And I feel like Jacoby probably did the best job out of like the whole, like the whole festival, to be honest. That's fucking rad. I'm not surprised.

I've seen him like fucking, oh, now, like, fuck. 13 years ago, you're just like that, normally it talked about how sick they were alive. I was watching them like, oh my God, you're like killing it. Yeah, and they're so tight. Tight life. Yeah, but they also have like that raw energy, you know. that really like

sticks with you like you were saying so I love them Mushuga that's just like a personal favorite of mine so I'm always gonna you know be stoked on them and who I mean probably

Evanescence would be my third nice I was surprised like I do love their music but I wasn't expecting to love their live performance as much as I did yeah I was really blown away that's sick was there like a like a particular band or artist or reason why you want

You went out there? Well, my roommate, Morgoth Beats, shout out Michael. His parents live up there. So we kind of just planned to head out there together. Good timing. Yeah, and then a couple of our friends were going up there at the same time too. So I was like, man, might as well just make a fun trip out of it, you know? Yeah, it's fucking badass.

Yeah, fucking awesome festival, man. It's sick. Yeah. So it's funny. I think my sugar went from. up there to down here because they were in Riverside last night. Oh, that's right. Yeah, hometown.

Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. Fucking right there. Did you go to that show? Oh, yeah, I went. I kind of popped in and out. Okay. At the Riverside, I can't see it.

I actually wrote it down because I have such a hard time saying it. Riverside Municipal Auditorium. Yeah, that one always had like a weird thing. I was like, can you just fucking name it like fucking Riverside Theater? I don't fucking know. Come on, man. Yeah, I know. People in your town have a fucking speech impediment.

Don't you know that Your boy has a fucking speech impediment You can't fucking say that word Yeah I think everyone abbreviates the venue When they talk about it Because people usually just Refer to it as the initials But yeah what the fuck

That's a really cool venue I was looking up the capacity of that place It says 1400 but I don't know That's a it was a big I think it's bigger than 14 I was like dude you've been there Mm-hmm That's a it's yeah like the floor is massive

the stage is massive. They have a balcony. And it's packed as fuck. It's at least as big as the House of Blues, Anaheim, right? Yeah, and House of Blues, that spot is 1900 capacity. It's like, there's no way that that place was 1400 cap. It looks so, I mean, it was fucking packed. Maybe, you know, different counties have different, like, zoning laws for the venues.

So maybe they're just not allowed to hold as many people. I don't know if that's a thing. but I'm just a guess. Yeah, maybe it's like, let's put this on the website. I'm really going to fucking squeeze in. Right. 20,500. Yeah.

It looked like a 2,500. Yeah, because you know how fire marshals can get. Like, if there's too many people per square inch, they'll, like, shut the show down. Interesting. You know, a pack show. Like, dude, bands like that. Mshuka did it. Like, there's just a line at the merch table all fucking day.

Oh, I bet. Dude, I'm leaving. And there's, they're fucking playing, and there's people still in fucking line, dude. They're definitely like, I feel like merch in general is more popular than it's ever been. But Musuga is definitely like a merch heavy band. Yeah, you got to get that fucking shook shit, dude. Yeah, because don't you feel like their music, like their visuals are just as important as like their actual music. Yes.

You know, like their artwork. Yes. You know, kind of similar to like maybe tool like a band like that. Yeah, everything needs to like coincide. I mean, their live show. Yeah. I mean, whoever, I forget who, I think someone. that's related to them does their lights so that's why it's all like on cue oh yeah and i'm pretty he's probably

like a drummer too i'm guessing right probably yeah something like you know thomas hake's cousin or something something like that that's why why their light show is always so it's like precise and like yeah can you can you imagine having to control the lighting to like thomas hawk's kicks oh my goodness you have to know every song basically you pretty much do yeah insane you played uh rational gaze oh my god that was her third song and people like it's funny like when a certain song plays

there's like a shift in the crowd yeah and the floor is so big that there's two pits yeah there's like one of my side the other one like damn people just started freaking out I'm like this is sick that band gets people in a trance oh yeah

yeah I think the song that did that uh when they played it after shock was a new millennium signet Christ yeah when they played that it was like whole crowd opened up it was sick God, it's so fucking good, man. I went there to hang out with some very old friends.

It sucks because that venue is by, like, the mission in, which is like a kind of prestigious hotel. And they wouldn't allow anyone from the show inside those bars. Oh, wow. It's why I just pay $15 park. He's like a walk over here at this nice bar and every 10 on Bucci. They're like, no metal dudes allowed. They probably see, like, oh, no way, dude.

You guys all get the fuck out of here. That's funny. I mean, fucking sick show. And Flames also played pretty sick. Oh, I saw them too. Yeah, they were sick. And they're badass. I wonder, people could ask me, too, like, if you guys played here, I'm like, no, I wonder which part do a show there?

I mean, you guys might as well. You're basically like a hometown band, you know, to Riverside, so. Riverside. That's why I looked at the cap. I'm like, you know, what is this capacity? I wonder, because, like, it's a big, funny. I don't know if we could do this. Oh, you guys totally could.

You know, I'm a, my brain is goes. You suck, you draw people, you fuck. But yeah, I mean, the way it's laid out, everyone's like, dude, this would be like, I could see it as that show here. Yeah, and I mean, I think a lot of kids that live in the IE would probably be stoked, you know, that maybe haven't had the chance

to see you before. Yeah, I noticed, like, people, I saw their old friends, like, oh shit is Riverside, so you come out to the Riverside show and Sugar is that kind of band where, like, everyone's going to go. No, for sure. Yeah, they're very like laid back vibe

It's fucking cool, man This, we're fucking killing that I know, it's almost done Oh my goodness, dude So we Started Cooper Kai On Netflix

Oh nice Season 5, it's fucking sick, dude Dude, I love that show I need some shirts Oh yeah I need some fucking shirts With the cobra on it Dude's so good

Yeah, it's a sick logo What a hard line to hit like It needs to be like Serious because obviously it's from karate kid, but also, like, there is parts of a cheesy, but it works. And for some reason, you like, like, you like it. Yeah, well, because there was a cheesiness to a karate kid, right? A little bit.

I think so? Like, not, it wasn't very obvious, but there's definitely, like, funny moments. Like, the wax on wax off thing. It was always, like, kind of been a meme, I feel like. Yeah, it's like a cheesiness. It's also, like, some beautiful wisdom in there. Yeah. Such a cool should of watch, you know?

No, totally. We got through like a few of them Because if he first started Dommer Because everyone was talking about that Everyone watched it at the same time I know Which I wanted to join everybody

So we could talk about it But I got past the first episode Where like he He was talking to A certain person And brings him back to This room Like it was like oh this is fucking

Yeah it started on such a dark note I know And one thing is we all want to do it but you can't watch something dark with someone that you're talking to like your boyfriend or girlfriend yeah that's not a good move it's uh it kills the mood every time yeah like if it here i think the thing is since it's real like it really happened yeah it's just a bummer you know what i mean like if it if it were you know fictional story i think you can get away with it totally you know what i mean like you could show a girl uh on a date like a horror movie

obviously yeah but yeah there is something about it being real that to me would probably it would probably put off a girl if you're like on a date with her yeah it's funny like even when i put it on i knew i'm like oh this is going to be like there's no vibe here we're just going to watch like committing to watching at the first episode you guys are just both disturbed oh my goodness yeah it says we're trying to get a vibe or like this just kills the mood yeah it just kills it i'm like even even i'm feeling i'm like oh my god yeah and nothing could really save you from that we watched uh then we went on to join Corey's new special.

Oh, that's funny. He had special from the left the form. Phenomenal. He's fucking funny. And then went to Corbickeye. It's still, nothing can save you from fucking Dominer, dude. I mean, that first one. The lingering, like, feeling of dread was still there.

I know, God. There's a place in Wisconsin called The Rave. Oh, yeah. I've been there. You've been there? Yeah. Oh, sick. Remember there's a really creepy hotel, like, across the street?

Yep. And, like, they say, well, that's, There's like there's a room up there that supposedly Dahmer took one of his victims. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, every time I'm at that spot I look across the street, you see, it's like the big, tall, like, classic, creepy-looking fucking hotel. Dude, yeah, there's something fascinating about those, like, old, creepy buildings. You know what I mean? Like, anything is drawn to them.

It's so weird. Because you can feel the history in there, you know? Yeah. So fucking, like, damn. But we're just fascinated by, like, that kind of. architecture as well right yeah all the like curved like pillars and stuff it's like what is so drawn to it's fucking weird yeah you know you just know that some stuff went down there man why why are people drawn to those kind of like documentaries and buildings i think because it probably makes us feel

more human think so yeah like there's something about that that kind of uh you know it just reminds you like hey we're alive the like the fact that this kind of crazy stuff can happen i think it does kind of well it reminds you you're alive and it also reminds you to like appreciate what you have probably yeah i mean there has to be something to that i mean like everyone's drawn to it yeah you know it's and it's like a certain like darkness people want to know about but not too dark yeah you know it has to be there's like a certain level of dark like you know like reading a book about dama or like watching like a documentary on Netflix people are so drawn to that yeah but we can't never fathom how evil that shit is and dark and then when you get into I was oddly enough I want to

talk about this last week and there's like a dark subject I want to talk about but I was gonna oh I'll do it later so yeah go dark and then go light and then but this is the flow of the of the conversation um they were just so fucking like drawn to that shit you know I mean me like a I'm waiting to talk about this shit for a long time on the podcast but I want to get like I mean people don't want to listen first because I just want to go dark sometimes yeah out of uh just out of curiosity I'm not like drawn I'm like what's the word I'm not like a weirdo weirdo but I like to be aware of like what's around yeah I mean I'm just really curious about humans and that side of them so purposely just in mind of myself I'll like go on like these websites

And like it's the ones where like, you know, real death videos and like for me it's like I don't click the video, but it's the headline. And sometimes I read like the description and a thumbnail is enough for me. And I get fucking freaked out because it's real. Yeah. And so okay. Then like it's so weird how that stays with you. Like that whole day you kind of like creeped out or like you wake up like, oh, shit.

Oh, fuck. But there's. So it kind of makes you like a subconscious weirdo. but there is a healthy thing to that. I don't think it's a bad thing to like know, like, hey, there's bad things can happen to you. Because, you know, it's smart to be aware of those things because you don't, I mean, you know, hopefully that kind of stuff never happens, but you never want to be in a situation where you could have prevented it from happening. Totally. If you saw the signs of like, hey, this is kind of how this usually goes down.

Yeah. You know. There's, there's, you don't want to be. completely oblivious to like the planet that we live on you so don't want to do that there is like it does kind of make you like a weirdo for me like you get like you makes you shaking shit you just like you're being humans a hard thing to to be yeah but uh there is something worse than that and that's being like oblivious you know yeah there's like there's kind of like a healthy balance right totally because you don't want to be like totally negative and think that like the world's all bad right

yeah you don't um but you also don't like you said you don't want to be totally totally like ignorant about things you have to know what's going on you have you have you know like the darkest things you know we have no idea we are no fucking idea man there's some freaky shit out there dark whatever thing you think you come up with your head someone that's done that to you another human the worst the worst times worse yeah worse the impossible in the worst way yeah and um i just it's a weird like context context thing i i i i want to be aware of it you know and then it was actually exactly last week from now we were driving home here

yeah and we got to we're almost at the gas station I was going through one of my moments so I'm going to make this look up some videos and get fucking freaked out every once in a while I will watch the video because it's not too

this totally gruesome but this was recent this was I think exactly like a week ago it was like happening in real time So around Astoria slash Queens, New York, an EMS lieutenant crossed the street, and she was 61. Alison Rousio, I mean, total legend, 61-year-old woman across the street. The story is she either went to get lunch or do, like, a small problem that she had to handle. And there's 34 R.H.

like imagine to do our age yeah um broad daylight in the corner dude push it down takes out a fat knife start stabbing her stabbing and like the count is like 19-20 times so like it's like a very short video but like you're just watching him like

but it's gruesome because it how fast happens it's like what the that dude is stabbing that chick to death and like all the movements it just like it freaks you out it's like oh my god and I was like oh my god then I alright then we arrive at a gas station

yeah middle nowhere in Arizona we're at like this you know pilot truck stop and I'm looking at these hot dogs I mean which shitty hot dog I'm not going to get today you know like I'm hungry right and I'm not sure what what they're called like a touristy group like you know like a class of like people on a big bus

and they'll go out and like oh like a tour yeah some something a tour guy or something tour guide kind of thing yeah yeah there's probably 15 maybe 20 like older women I'm talking like 85 up right they're all wearing like a like a red shirt and one older gentleman I was like I was almost this I'm okay I'm you know curious I'm what do they do it's still looking at these shitty hot dogs and they broke out into song. Whoa. It was like right next to like a

synabon. Like a Christmas carolet type style. Ooh, the world is a beautiful place. The lyrics you were saying like it was like, but imagine. Like a choir. Yes, very, very, very choiry. That's cool. And you know when it happens.

Like your body just fuels up. It's full of joy. Like pure, whatever that feeling is, love, Jordan, nothing about positivity. Like wholesome energy. Very wholesome. like yeah i was like you know just i'm at this fucking shitty gas station trying to not to cry right there was just like such pure energy like you're talking these older women that lived their whole lives

right had kids and kids kids and yeah have real life experiences and they were just started singing in this choir way and no one no one want no one told them to stop so what was just kind of like you don't you didn't want to look either yeah but just enjoying such purity pure good wholesome energy You're just like, damn, this is wow. And then it's kind of seen someone from like your favorite band. I got nervous. Like I want to be like, why, that was, thank you for that. That was so beautiful.

Thank you. And like, I didn't say anything. And then he left. And I was like, that is literally life. Like just like you're aware of this. The darkest of the dark. It's like, this is real shit. And then have that feeling and seeing good people.

Right. after you look something crazy. That fucking opposite moods and things happen in such a short period of time. The polarity of. Yeah, I was like, damn, that is like, there's such a beauty to that. It's like, man, that's life. Yeah, I was probably say the same thing. That's like life in a nutshell, right?

Yeah. There's positive energy and there's negative energy. And then we exist somewhere like in the middle of it. Yeah. You know? It's so nuts. Oh, when you hear a favorite song of yours, this brings out something in you. Yeah.

I was like, that just left it like an impression on me. It's like, holy shit. That's almost like magical for that to happen. Yeah. You know, in that timing. It was such like an opposite emotion. It was like, damn, this. It says you don't know what you need sometimes.

Yeah. You know, I needed that. Shit. Dude, it's like, I don't know. It's cool when those kind of moments happen. Because sometimes they could happen when you're having like a bad day or something or not feeling that good. Yeah, it's so good.

And then you just get reminded where it's like, man, it's really not that bad. Like, there's cool stuff going on in the world. You just have to focus more on the positive side, I think. Totally. Focusing on the positive is definitely a real. You have to, like, actually do it. It's funny. I was just doing that right before you got here.

I was staying outside. I just had some headphones on. Not even listening to any music. Just look this. Because this spot is by the airport. port so we have literally airplanes will literally fly really close to our building and right next

to us it's like the fucking a busy fucking freeway like that like that space between our building and that fucking freeway is like it's loud but it's like there's something that your mind can do and uh I'm definitely smoking weed oh my goodness

so I apologize I'm a man team but uh you know how there's like the power lines like right right at the streetway you saw all these birds showing on on the part of lines

and there's something about birds that are very calming and peaceful and like just grounds your body into into your feet and to what you're saying

on you feel very grounded you feel good very present yeah and every so often they will fly off the like the power lines and then

you know birds fly they're like crazy but they're all together right they're like man how do you it's like Controlled chaos.

It's controlled chaos. Yeah. It's like, man, this is like, um, it's a very calming thing. I was just watching my damn. That's fucking nuts. It's felt very like, yeah,

again, there's something about birds. And then they go back to their power lines and like, being really present, I like separated my mind, like cut in a half for like, where you could kind of focus on, you really choose and where you focus.

Either I could focus on this fucking crazy noise right now. Now the freeway is right. Dan, they're connected to the damn fucking power line, but how you're able to focus on what you want to focus on. You could like kind of zone in on something. Yeah. Yeah.

So like there's like this like, like finding common like the chaos. Right. You have like this chaotic saying about airplanes right here. I'm like putting a freeway right here. When we're in fucking California, so it's loud as fuck. Yeah.

And like you could choose what you focus on. I was just focusing on his birds to calm down before we started talking. Like man, it was so common. Like you just like having like when you do it right sometimes you know I'm not only can only get it right every time but yeah Just be able to be present and focus on something and just like This ultra calm. Yeah is it isn't that the kind of I guess the philosophy of how Buddhism works is to like kind of

Be able to simplify your thoughts and try to focus just on one thought at a time Yeah, I think I'm pretty sure I've I've spoken to a monk once and I think they described it in that way where it was it's all about it's basically like anti-anxiety it's about not overthinking things and just being able to isolate your thoughts into like one specific thing that's it's a very real thing yeah and definitely put it in into practice peace and chaos that's life yeah you know it's really cool how that works too yeah and it's something we all have access to i mean i mean i'm pretty sure you go outside you you will see some birds right You don't need like a special ability.

It's just, yeah, it's like, oh shit, it's fucking free. I went outside and was just looked up and watching birds

and how do you know how much time passed? Yeah. It's just like here's just, just looking, vibing, you know, it's like,

shit, like you could, this is free. Anyone can do that. And boom, nerves are down. You're more present in a moment.

You feel your steps when you're walking on the concrete up, up the stairs, my damn this. Man, what,

what magic we have access to just for fucking free? It's like free therapy, right? Pretty much, yeah. Yeah, birds are interesting too. Like, I feel like it's calming to even watch them fly because it's like a weightless kind of look. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And I think we associate weightlessness to like being calm, right? Like not feeling weight on you. It's like... That's a good one. Yeah. Like if you could describe like a good dream when you feel like warm and like, you know, cozy. Yeah.

It's like a weightless feeling. You know. That's true, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Ross Robinson gave me some advice. There's weight of the mind. Right.

Yeah, I was like, you know, he always, he has stuff like that. He says, you're just like, whoa. He's those one-liners. Yeah, it just fucking changes your life. You know, like, weigh the mind. Yeah. I mean, what's in your mind could weigh you the fuck down, man. Totally.

Yeah, it's incredible how our brains can either make us feel really good or really bad. and you feel it physically. Yes. Yeah, that's so fucking nuts, man. And you're, you brought up dreams. Last night I had a dream that Carlo Sanana was on the podcast. That's so sick. I had a fucking dream about that.

Dude, that's sick. It was like, is this going to be reality? I hope so. I'm a big Carlo Santana fan. That would be awesome. Talk about the sickest of the sickest. I mean, he has the riffs. He fucking.

then they made the riffs. Holy shit, do, Carlos Santana. I mean, Carlos Santana, I think, really on a mainstream scale,

make guitar music cool in the way that it is now. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Like, and when I say that, I mean, like,

where it doesn't have to be specifically a rock music, it's just like cool guitar riffs thrown into any genre. Mm-hmm. He kind of, I think he did that before anyone else. Yeah,

I mean, obviously we all know black math. Magic Woman. And I forgot what number of record it was. It was a lot, like his 13th record to some. He did Supernatural, like late 90s or 2000s. That shit blew up. That's probably my favorite album. What an incredible record. And what an idea to be so innovative later on in your career. Right. That's what's cool about Santana too is I feel like he experimented more and more as he got older. That's insane. And he still does today. Yeah. And then to involve that way

and to actually have to get success from that, that's a next level guitar player, man. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he'll literally hop on, you know, like a pop track or a rap track and just totally, like, transform it until, like, it's his own signature sound still. Dude, Santana, shout out. Yeah, shout out Santana.

I mean, maybe that's a premonition, man. I would shit my pants again. Yeah, I would, I might have to, uh, I might fanboy. I'm not going to lie. Dude, Carlos Santana and chorus. I might have to fanboy a little bit on that one. And actually, like, the beginning of that dream was Joe Rogan was first doing it, but he was fucking it up.

So then I came in. We kicked out Jamie and Joe. Oh, my gosh. Obviously, that party dream is not going to happen. You're right. Oh, it's like, oh, my goodness, dude. It would be a funny skit, though. Yeah.

Like, if Joe was down to, like, act that out. Dude, so good. That would actually be like, you just walk into the podcast in the middle and you just like kick him out. Oh my goodness, dude. The fucking goat. I mean, shit, Santana's in Vegas. I wonder if he lives there. You know what?

I'm not sure. But I could see him living in Vegas. Hey, you always place the house of blues. Yeah. He has like a residency there, right? Yeah. So good. I saw it once.

Oh, he probably does live in Vegas then. Did he ever, does he do like those casino shows too? Did you ever do that? You know, like some artists have a residency at, like, casinos and stuff like that? Did he? I'm not sure. Maybe. I'm not sure.

Yeah. I'm trying to think. But anyways, he's definitely one of those artists that could just, like, he's so good that they'll just hire him to play, like, once a week. You know. You can never get, it never gets old to see him play guitar. That's what I'm saying. I would never get tired of that. Yeah, like the fucking last time I saw him was, I was to, I'll be, I'll admit it, I was drunk.

I mean. And then, I'm in, you know. Yeah. And then, I mean, I'm high right now. And we walked in. He starts playing evil ways. And like, to get goosebumps when you're drunk is really hard. It takes a lot, right?

Because you're more kind of loose. Yeah, you're all loose. You're like, I don't get a fuck about anything right now, you know? Yeah, that's true. I'm in Vegas, dude. I'm watching Carlos Santana right now. Yeah. And then, oh, just hearing them play, like, damn, you just fucking get goosebumps.

And the state, it's like, oh, fuck, that's sick. He has, he has, like, a feel, you know, like, some artists just have, it's like a thing you can't explain, right? Yeah, you can't, and thinking about feel and music, you really can't, like, you kind of know when whoever's playing has that feel or is feeling it, you know? Yeah, for sure. It's like, I mean, those riffs, you just feel them, you know, where, you know, some consciously, like suicide silence definitely took like stuff like that from carlo santana that done it years before us you know he put just fucking feel it you kind of know when someone's playing from like their soul yeah you're just like this there's that thing you can't put

your finger on well that's that's definitely the thing that i think people like about you guys the most is like the raw energy and like authenticity where it's like um it's like similar to like a horror movie having like violence in it for a reason right? Yeah. Versus like not just kind of throwing it in there for the sake of either being heavy or being Totally. You know what I mean?

Like yeah. I feel like you guys always did it with intention. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I always say that we play what feels heavy, not what sounds heavy. That's always so weird to me because you could, it actually to your ear, it sounds better and it sounds heavier to your ears.

Yeah. But for some reason when we do it, we just always what that feels better. and then once years past there's like this thing to it so when you play something that feels heavy it comes off as heavy

it's so yeah it's a weird thing I don't even really know what I'm trying trying to say because there's like it's hard to explain it

well yeah because there's like you know there's a difference between like adding an extra string and tuning down even lower

than like your last record yeah and like it just having it's the way you got like the attack of your guys's music I think yeah it's like the velocity

yeah You know what I mean? I think that's what it is more so than like, oh, this is double drop C. You know what? It has nothing to do with that. It's just like it's the raw energy that, again, it's that thing you can't explain. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah, that's definitely the goal, you know, give that raw energy is chill. It's like be you, you know? Yeah. And you guys are being yourselves. Yeah. Oh, yeah, totally. It's us, you know. I think worth seeing this shit, but.

This crossed my mind literally like a few days ago. I was on my morning walk. Yeah. And I was like, who's been playing Death Corps longer than me? I don't know. Very few. I don't know. Consistently?

Oh, consistently? I mean, still many. Who's done it? Like longer than 20 years? I think technically the first Death Corps band is the Red Corps. right okay because they're like what like 97 or something they're like super old yeah so i think they might be the first yeah technically but they they didn't even really have like you know the death core sound that like people know to gay it was like a their version hmm there's a couple guys i mean very few

like uh like ion dissonance despised icon were pretty early too but like but consistently torn still put our beckers still no exactly i mean i'm saying it's just a Just to add to the story, but I don't feel this way. But, you know, we put, we have numbers, these big, we're on the charts. Like, who's, like, been doing it for so long? That, see, that is a combination that you won't find. Yeah. Yeah, doing it for so long and staying that consistent.

Like, that, see, that puts you guys in a different category, for sure. 20 years. So who's, no one? Honestly, no one. Because I asked me something question because I want to know. I'm like, man, who, who happened my janin? why am I forgetting something, somebody? Like, I was like, trying to think like, who?

I was like, oh, shit, is it me? Is you guys? I mean, there's a reason why when people think of Death Corps, you guys are literally always the first band that pops in people's heads. It's weird. It is a fucking weird thing. 20 years, man.

It's fucking weird. And, you know, and not to mention that it wasn't, you know, it wasn't a popular genre when you guys started, too. All people fucking hated it. I remember that because... Oh my God. You know, because I grew up liking both metal and hardcore.

Yeah. And I remember that weird feud where, like, hardcore kids didn't like metalheads and metalheads didn't like hardcore kids, you know? Oh, yeah, dude. It was definitely a fucking, like, divide. Totally. Yeah. And then I saw it slowly.

That gap started closing, and people just started kind of maturing and accepting that, like, hey, there's different ways to make this sound. Totally. No way is bad. It's just a different approach to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's so funny how things change.

Now fucking, it's cool. Dude, I love the fact. I like positivity, man. I like, like, like, I like that the scene is healthier now and people get along and it's, you know, I mean, it only benefits everyone that's a part of it, you know. Yeah. People are more open-minded and now death court bands come out as fucking is accepted. I'm like, damn, that's fucking crazy, dude. Yeah.

How far, how far things have come. And the reason why I said that because, you know, I'm not an idiot. I know we're suicides and just bands better, more extreme. And we're not exactly in those conversations anymore. You know, I'm very aware of that, you know, hashtag Reddit. You know, it's just, I'm very aware of it. I was like, it's kind of one of those things that I experienced in my life. When I was a kid, it's like when people talk about heavy music.

Right. You know, from the hardcore scene, it was like, I know they thought about slip up, no one said it. Yeah. It's like, until now, right? Until now,

yeah. Now people are finally saying the slip knot were pretty much the OGs as far as like bringing extreme music to the masses. I wonder, yeah. Because, I mean, I mean, my 13 year old dumb ass kid self,

like, I was like at these shows with a corn shirt on, you know, watching, I don't know, throw down or something, someone's sick. I'm like,

yeah. Like, obviously this is inspired by, you know, slip, or sepulah, like, and no one's talking about it. It's like that thought. So I kind of relate that.

I always thought that was weird, but now we put that to now. We're now, there's obviously a band better than us. I'm not saying we're amazing or anything. But like, when you say the term death core, I know we pop in their heads. But you're at least the first two or three bands. I would say first. But it's not cool to say it, though. It's weird, huh?

Yeah. It's like if you, it's cool to say these bands. You know? And that's, I saw, I only bring it up because it really just popped in my stony brain now. Right. And I remember that shit as a kid. It's kind of like, it's so bizarre. Like, this is before, you know, the band, obviously I was a kid.

I mean, shit, like 25 years later. I kind of see like that, like, similar. Yeah, you guys are in that way, I guess people's perception, right, like similar to Slipknot. I think in that way. Because, yeah, I remember, again, as a kid. it wasn't cool to like Slipknot like until really until like

I would say like 10 years ago it wasn't that long ago when like Slipknot finally got accepted as like a legitimate you know extreme metal band Death by caffeine yeah oh dude totally

yeah it was like within five years you know I was just talking about that shit like last week and it popped up on some like news thing And cars that says people It's still getting new models back

And which people backed it It's true It's so cool seeing like those bands Earned that Legendary Spot I bet as like I'm We're both new metal kids But I know you're a hardcore new metal kid

I bet you're super stoked that It's finally getting like the respect It deserves as a genre Yeah now it's like they're Obviously they're big bands but I mean they never were like respected Like amongst like

That's the word respect right And like dude they're Just see him get that respect And watch it happen from like the outside You know Being a fan like damn That's fucking cool to see like legends being born Yeah

Legends like just Becoming them you know Like obviously corn slip monitor in that category Yeah definitely Like damn that's fucking It's so cool to see that Yeah I love that

And that's what I never understood about people kind of hate on New Metal is that to me it was almost always the most progressive and experimental genre. So I don't, it always got categorized as kind of like basic or like too simple. And I always thought it was the opposite. I always thought New Metal was more like forward thinking and like taking risks, you know. Yeah, it's so important heavy music too to take a risk. You have to, I mean, it's heavy music.

Yeah, you got to fucking take a, take a loop of faith, man. Like isn't heavy music itself a risk? just it existing in its own right you know yeah i mean shit you want to fucking pursue it as living is it definitely like am i making money holy shit dude yeah and and then if you look at like oh my goodness you know like if you consider black sabbath to be the creator of metal right yeah i mean the fact that it was done on accident you know with the whole like finger thing and they had the down tune that's kind of like a similarity and some parallels between any big ban or any band that

fucking breaks through anything. Like there is a risk involved and having like not really knowing what you're doing. Right. I'll try this. I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. But when it hits, it's like, oh my God.

And people are kind of coming on. It makes sense. But like what was going on? It'd be felt like the wrong thing to do. Yeah, it's weird, right? You sometimes you have to like, you have to like make, take a risk and it doesn't always work out the first time.

But when it does work out, it's like the most satisfying, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, then sometimes it hits and people think, oh, that's fucking sick. And then you put it up and know and buys it. Oh, these guys are the worst. Right. Never. But sometimes it's just a timing thing, dude.

It's weird. Timing, yeah. Timing and some things work, some things don't. I mean, it's just, it's funny because it's really, always people all have hindsight, but when you're in it in the moment, you know, it's really hard to, like when you get like those thoughts and feelings, it's really, hard to like is this the right thing to do or is this because it's really hard to yeah it's tough to like nail it you know it's yeah especially if you know what's on the line like yeah like

you know like like our first record like oh are we going to do it with a producer a rock producer that's not metal and then are we going to do it live on this is something like yeah it's like it's going to worry i don't know about but like then you do it we did that same thing again on a set uh self-titled and then same thing oh this is we do this oh it's just like you don't know no we don't really know anything in general Right Like it was the same method But you got a different result

Yeah I was like oh my goodness dude How do you But you know like Maybe this is just my wishful thinking And my positive thinking But I just think it's always better As long as you think it's a good idea You know like take the risk

In my opinion You know over just Kind of like just accepting the safe route Sometimes the safe route is the right way But I don't know But if you feel, if you have a feeling that you have to like go out of, like try something new, I think there's a reason why you have that gut feeling. Totally. Gut feelings tend to be right a lot.

I agree. And that, I mean, pretty much all the time. Something about the gut feeling that you can get up all of. I try to go up with my gut feeling, especially like with my work, like my creative choices. I try to just kind of let it happen. Yeah, I mean. Totally. Let's close us out with, uh...

Have you heard it? Yeah. It's pretty cool. Yeah, I actually really liked it. Yeah, that's fucking badass. That first song, spoiler on three, two, one, man. It's like, is this Pink Floyd?

It was like, who am I? I feel like a lot of people listen to just that one song and then, like, had an opinion about the album. Yeah. I was like, guys, if you listen to the rest of the album, it's sick. Yeah, it's hard to get people listen to your whole record. It is, you know. And obviously, the rest of the record was great.

That song, Yen, that's my favorite. It's almost like grungy, right? It has like a dark kind of... Like a almost, you know, it almost gave me like a typo-negative vibe. Like a goth, like a goth rock. Yeah.

You kind of thing, goth metal thing. Yeah. Yeah, sick song, sick record. Congrats guys, fucking. It's awesome. Yeah. But you definitely don't... Don't judge it from the first song. Again, yeah. And that's why I was saying last time.

Oh, my goodness. I'm sure people had the same reaction. when subliminal verses came out. I think so. I don't think it was immediately like a huge success compared to like Iowa, right? I think it took a little while

for people to get used to it. Maybe. I could be wrong, but... Yeah, Volume 3 is that's a masterpiece. I mean, that's gotta be my favorite, to be honest. Yeah, so good. Like songwriting wise.

Well, have I heard it? Go check it out. It's fucking sick. Got me horned up. Oh, yeah. Definitely horned up on that one. You can't go wrong. They're fucking sick.

dude. It's just slip knot. They give you a little bit of everything. Yeah, you know? It's true. Like, it's like, almost like you're getting a full course meal. Like, you leave satisfied. That is very, very true, man.

Yeah. What are you got planning a day? Later. Um, probably just going to edit this guy. Yeah. Work on this. Maybe watch, you know, catch up on Rings of Power. What's that?

That's the new Lord of the Rings. Okay. Series. So you like Lord? Lord of the Rings. Yeah, I've been getting, well, I was always a fan as a kid, but it's been getting really good. Like, they're, you know, they're, like, restarting the whole story and stuff. Wow.

That'd be sick. Yeah. Yeah, I'll be going to a brewery with my lady, lady date. Oh, nice. What spot you hit in? I have a two spots in Corona always go to. I go to Stone Brewery. Oh, no, dude, I love Stone.

Yeah, it's fucking sick. Oh, so Stone Church Brewery? Sorry. Oh, okay. Nice little, like, spotting Corona, kind of a little hipster spotting Corona. Nice. Nice, really cool beers. They had a beer, they just added, my favorite spots was that, and Landpost Pizza.

Those are my spots. Oh, I love Lampost. And they, they collab with beers. Oh, damn. So my two favorite beers, literally on the planet, they literally had a collab. What kind of beer is in it? That's like cornicell my fucking. Which I would love for that to happen.

Yeah, I mean, they're both like, you know, I like heavy beers, like, you know, 8% up. And it was a, what was the IPA? I think it was an IPA. Probably like a double IPA or something. Something nuts. It was so amazing. I'm going to have those tonight. I love heavy beers that have like a really nice flavor to them.

Yeah, it's so good. When they almost taste lighter than they really are. You know, those are always my favorite. That was, yeah, that was fucking scary. when it's like it tastes so good it's like you know the percentage is high but it's like so smooth yeah this is fucking scary i am slightly nervous to go there in a jersey oh yeah it's like a i don't want people to talk to me you know hey man what do you think you know i'm like a football guy that this was like a gift yeah so you don't want them to like think that you know a bunch of

stuff about football so how about the this i'm like dude i don't fucking know dude i don't know what's going on i'm a fucking poser man i just it's a gift dude come on no i'm the same way I just like how jerseys look. When we played in Jacksonville and it gave us these jerseys, I immediately got why people wear jerseys in public. I'm wearing it. Obviously, I'm wearing it now. Yeah.

I'm probably going to wear it tonight. And it's so fucking comfortable. It's the material, right? It is so comfortable. It kind of feels like you're naked. Because it's like a heavy, like, a, like, a, extra, but at the same time, it's like breathable, right? Yeah, I don't know what it's like a big fit and, and you, you feel cool with like,

when I'm on me, I'm wearing a jersey. I mean, they always have cool designs on them, so you, yeah, like that, that could be your whole fit right there. I immediately got it. Yeah. Holy shit. Especially, I love long-sleeve jerseys. So badass.

Yeah, like hockey jerseys especially. Yeah. Those always look tight. And then I also realized why McSiggo wore jerseys. It was like, oh, this is why you did it back in a day. I mean, they always look sick on stage. I know. The hockey jerseys?

Yeah. I might steal that move from you guys. It's like when they're heavy, they're just like draping kind of look. It looked dope. Yeah, it looks so cool. I wore this in the Jacksonville show, just a rep. It's so fucking comfortable. They put Garza in the back of that?

Oh, yeah. Dude, that's sick. You got to show the camera. Can I do it some out? Yeah. All right. Just kind of. Probably stand up for a sec.

Yeah. Oh, there you go. Boom. Boom. Check it out. Yeah. Holy Shit.

Custom Garza jersey. That's sick. Custom. I thought there were just jerseys and then when we were all like took it out of the bag. Yeah. It was like,

these are our fucking names on them, dude. Holy shit. That's so cool of them took you guys up with that. Do you a little, man, big gifts or small kiss, man. They stay with you.

Yeah. You no matter what, well, from friends or family or like something like this we don't even know them. Um, those little gifts like stay with you.

My damn, that was fucking cool. Thank you. Yeah, I've always heard that, uh, you know, It's not, you know, it doesn't matter how much the gift is worth.

It's like the, when you put personal thought into it, right? Yes. That's what makes it special. Personal thought, yeah. I mean, that goes a long way, dude. A little thought into something, the little gift. Yeah. Yeah, it's fucking, man.

Priceless. Yeah, it's literally priceless. So bad ass. So maybe we all have homework. Maybe we all should buy a little gift for someone that we care about. Yeah, man. Honestly, got me thinking. Yeah, I might wonder, what I could buy Zach?

Maybe I could give him a big piece of a bag of bullshit or something. I don't know. How's that? It's thoughtful, dude. Just give me, give me some fancy IPA or something. That'd be cool. Yeah. What's your favorite beer?

I'm really into Belgian beers. Oh, yeah, yeah, same as me. Yeah. I'm pretty, like, I don't think I even have a favorite. I kind of like them all. Same, that they're all sick. Yeah. So, all, well, everyone be thoughtful with their gifts.

Go out there and find something special. There you go. I'm going to do the same thing. I should. You know what? I'm going to write it down. When you get older, you got to write shit down. Trust me.

Because your memory is gone. Whenever you think you're going to remember it, you don't. We all know it. We all know that, but we still make that same fucking mistake. You know one trick you can do, though. I always try to repeat something in my head three times. That helps. Because it's kind of like writing it down.

Not quite as good, but it's. It's halfway Halfway Yeah I would say Well hell yeah Yeah Zach Enjoy your night Enjoy your week

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