Garza Podcast - 51: HEMORAGE

Episode Date: October 31, 2022

Hemorage is an hardcore thrash band based out of San Francisco, California. We talk about how to be a DIY band, what being from the Philippines is like & much more! SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB TIME CODES: 00:00 - Mosh Pit 01:29 - The Start, Sound of Noise & The Minibus 11:58 - Finding Band Members 17:21 - Being From The Philippines & Metal Gatekeepers in America 22:32 - Meeting Gary Holt & Exodus 28:10- Printing Your Own Merch & Savage People 32:49 - Finding Inspiration From All Genres of Music 34:34 - Web3 & Tech N9ne 39:44 - Quitting your job 46:44 - Fighting Your Demons, Insecurities & Listening to Slayer 52:55 - Future of Metal

Oh my god, what's going on? When we first did the first tour, we were playing three shows a day. Yeah, it was hard on our bodies. But like, wow, the results of like doing that was like incredible. The, uh, someone like the results. Well, we met Gary Holt from accidents. And before we met him that night, we were playing at a beach in seven. Diego. Whenever I need music gear, I always go to sweetwater.com. If it's mics, headphones,

or studio, and recording gear, sweet water has you covered. Next time you need any music gear, support the podcast by using the link in the description and comment section below. Jack the kid in the house, man. We all got our drinks. Yeah. We got our Bud Light Seltzers. Guys, we got hemorrhage in the house. Cheers. Yeah. And I got a little thing, a little tasty treats. what's that? This is the blood Oh shit, dude

And if you want it now Oh, let's light it up It's fine If I bring the podcast side I do apologize If I get too blasted Whatever It's all good

It's all good It's all good Well dudes You guys You guys came down from San Francisco Yeah Yeah

Wow Yeah We're here for Like we're here We're here often Though You are Yeah

We're here Like I think this our Fifth or sixth Tom being here Just this year Just this year

Yeah Just here three weeks ago Yeah, we're just here three weeks ago. Yeah. Damn, you made a post and you tagged Anaheim. Oh, they're just here. Holy shit. Yeah, we're just here.

Yeah, we have a home base there with a shout to our homie, Freddie and Phil. We always stay at his spot at OC Sound Studios. Wow. Yeah. What the fuck you guys doing? That's dope. Just drive down and play some shows. Yeah.

Go back home. That's fucking badass. Can we do a quick intro? Yeah, yeah. Please. Okay, light this up. Yeah, of course. Take it away, Toby.

I am Toby. the guitarist from Hemorrhage. Fuck, yeah, that was official. Right, his voice, Hey, Toby, the man. The guy, the vocalist and guitars. Ron, drums. Well, it's honored to have you guys.

No, it's an honor too for you to be. Like, just be across the table from you, dude. I'm so pumped to see you guys, man, because we were, uh, wait, silence is brought to you by. The Imperial rules, by the way, there you go. Oh, wow. So that's what's in these guys, yeah.

That's nice. That's nice. Yeah, we got, we got some kind of, like, a weed endorsement with heavy metal buds based out of San Francisco. How did you guys get that? That's fucking sick. He's just a fan of ours, and then, like, he just came to our show, and he was, like, I really like what you guys do. Like, you know, he was like, he was a Niners fan, you know, like, and he was comparing us to, like, oh, he wish he saw, what's his name from the Niners back in the day. Yeah.

Tony Montana? Tony Montana's the dude from Scarface, bro. He's the, what's his name? I'm blacking on his name. Joe Montana. Joe Montana? Yeah. He said, like, I wish I could witness that.

And now I have a chance to witness something that could potentially be great. And now we're here. Yeah, see what happens? We can do cool shit. Yeah. When you do, I mean, you guys are like the top of, like, DIY. This is the way it's supposed to be done. Thank you.

You know. We were just, we were in Sacramento. Yep. And we're at the Acese spage. Shout out to the Aces Spades. Shout to Card effects too They're always the worst Carnar effects

Lorna Shore It was a great lineup Yeah Lorna Shaw was sick dude They were fucking amazing And then we're We're done And I'm walking outside And I'm like what the fuck is going on

The show is over And I hear a band playing outside And I go out and there's Another Mosh pit Yeah And there's people out in the street Listening to you guys And you guys were playing heavy shit

I'm like who is this Who is this? it was us to make a human go who is this what is this it's very hard to do when you guys said that to me so I was sat there at watch

I'm like damn that's fucking sick hell yeah thank you man and then I mean the following that you are building is cool because I mean I got hit up by other people to have you guys on here

yeah awesome man thank you for everybody who did that for us yeah have on hemorrhage I'm like okay it's like it's like

it's kind of create It's kind of crazy what an Instagram DM can do. And that's been tripping me out for like a while now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we got like our ESP endorsement through an Instagram message. Yeah. I'd be like, yeah, Gary Holt, like, posted one thing and then they happened to see it.

And then the next day, they just emailed you, right? Yeah. And it's the next day, Tony, the AR for ESP. Yeah. And he hit me up. I honestly thought, like, I didn't know who he was or anything. like that and we were at the time we were getting a lot of messages like we were getting like hundreds of messages a day and then what that wants to got and i thought

maybe maybe it's real maybe it's not real you know you never know and i responded and then like and i was like oh shit it is real holy shit tony rouser huh yeah yeah yeah great guy yeah he's super nice he's so nice what a trip like how is that for for you guys like i mean it's i mean your journey is crazy. Like you wanted to play shows and you found your own way to play shows and you probably did that for a while. Yeah.

Then you guys get like this, let this blow up and now you have endorsements and people are sending you messages. Like how did this whole thing start? Well, we started all the way back. I think 2016, like I saw this movie called Sound of Noise. Yes. You ever seen the movie?

No. Yeah, should check it out. It's a Swedish film. And then this opening scene in that movie is like a drummer. were playing in the van and being chased by the cops and at the time we had the ambulance and I was like well like that game changer we should do that you know and we were drunk outside of our firework and I was like we should pull out and play and then like we also we

got frustrated that like all the local promoters weren't booking us you know they're just booking their their friends and stuff like that yeah and they're like I don't really want to kiss ass or anything like that So let's find a way to like, find a way to like stand out. So that's how we did. And we did the warp tour in 2016. We pulled out on the front 9 a.m. in the morning during the line. Wow.

Yeah. And then like that was, and then we're like, okay, now we kind of have something. And then we were trying to like do it more often, but the guys that I, we had the time couldn't do it. Like there was always like scheduled conflict, you know? Yes. And then after the pandemic, like during the, I say 2021, yeah, me and Toby, we were just like, we got, we're starting to get frustrated with our jobs. Because we work with the same company. And they're changing ownership.

And they was like, I don't know how I do that. Yeah. I don't want to be a boss for somebody else because our boss taught us a lot. And when he passed, we felt like we couldn't like feel, no one else could be like a boss for us. So we want to be our own boss. and then like we quit their jobs and then like a friend of mine like randomly like hit me up and they were like I'll buy it give me two weeks I'll buy it and then we and then the three of us like came together and then like we pulled out pull that money out he even like got his

investment on uh on uh bitcoin oh yeah he pulled it out just to buy that bus dude so we risked everything for that bus and we built it and then we started playing shows and we figured out how to like do it right and then now we're here That's a trip. Like how it's all, it's obviously we're going to show the video first. Like it's, the acoustics in there sound great. And like, whatever you guys did, you built it right. Yeah.

We all like have experience with building stuff, you know, a lot of DIY projects and stuff. It's crazy how you also, what happens when you put it all? Yeah. You got like, how are we going to come up with this money or how are we going to do this? And you guys just naturally like, let's just, I'm going to take out my Bitcoin. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. Yeah. scraped out a lot of them. The shows are like that too. Like, how are we going to pull this off? Like, you know, like having regular shows, you know what time you're supposed to be there. You know what time loading is. You know what time sound check is.

For us, it's always a risk. It's always like a gamble. It's always like, you know, because it's on the streets. Yeah. Sometimes we pull up on the other side of the venue. Yeah, we don't know exactly where everything is. And we're like, where's everybody. And then like, everybody's like, they're over there.

We've even like missed our mark completely before. Like we've been like our intended destination was like a, like a, like a block away and we played like in front of just clubs that we saw a lot of people for you know and everybody had a good time anyway yeah so good yeah and then sometimes we show up and we were like late because some of the older bands like the really really old bands like um is there opeth and stuff like that they're not super old but you know whatever yes uh they they play early they end the shows end early oh wow yeah yeah so because they play by themselves too uh so like well there's one show the opeth show we like show we showed up it's like where's everybody it's like the show is over

You missed it. Yeah, we missed it. Over an hour ago, it's Opet, they put it at APM. Man, it's crazy. So, John, you first brought the idea to the table after you saw this movie. What did you guys think? About, like, how is it for you, like, hearing, like, a crazy idea like that? It's crazy.

Well, I had joined the band just a year ago in July. So these guys have been doing it for, I don't know, 10 plus years before that, you know. And I've seen them do it. in the ambulance before. So I had already had an idea of what he was talking about, but, you know, just to put it all together. And when it started, you know, once you do something more and more and more, whatever it is, and in this case, it's playing shows in a bus, you get better at it, you know, and like you said earlier, you know, we just after time got the sound going well. So at first it was like, you know, let's, I'm down, you know, I'm down to play anywhere

anytime. And, you know, the more we did it, the better we got at it, the more enjoyable it was for myself and everybody else involved, you know, especially like the people there, they seem to really be receiving it well. Yeah, that's a, you? I'll listen for you. Oh, wow. It's a whole trip, man.

Like, just how everything just started happening throughout this whole year. It was like a year before we, we've done like some crazy stuff just like playing through an ambulance. And we had like a, what was it? like just other swap meets or other events that we throw in all the parties that we threw to. The punk metal flea market. We were the first one in California,

did it in B area, to be exact. Yeah, and the first one was like 2,000 people showed up. Be serious? For like five years after, and then the pandemic happened, and the band got busy, so we haven't been able to do it, but eventually we can't do it like nationwide

or something like that. We never stopped, though, yeah. Yeah, we probably got to do nationwide soon. That would be sick. Yeah. What if anyone is going to do is you guys? Yeah. I guess so.

Yeah. Yeah. These three guys. It's hard to find people that will love it as much as you. Yeah. It's the hardest part sometimes. Yeah. But the three of us, I feel like the third of us, like, we knew what we want in life.

We wanted this. We can't go get it no matter what. How did you guys meet? We met in high school back in the day. We actually were in the art competition together. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's sick. We tied.

at the top yeah John went for like the the realism and I went for like abstract yeah and then we we tied and then like that's why a lot of our artwork is like you kind of see the both sides of the things because we both like work on it oh shit yeah it's really cool so with that we become friends since then and like we every time everything we do something we do together we we have the same jobs we have same schedules and stuff like that wow through a high school to know yeah yeah yeah that's yeah and we always want to be artists you know I always want to make something. You are artists. Yeah. And go to shows. We go to shows all the time when we were younger

before we started playing shows. I met these guys because I had a music rehearsal studio and they had one on the other side of the hallway so we had shared a wall in between. So like I've known them for years and like I've seen what they've been doing and vice versa. And then when their drummer, I had to leave for whatever reason, they asked me to fill in and I just, you know, learned a couple songs and then just over time just quickly became the full-time drummer yeah yep yep pretty much this style goes yeah yeah yeah it's you guys it's where like you people that you want to play music with they they're kind of like like a magnet to you yeah you know you kind of draw people that you like like minded people like like minded things right

yeah we were watching his band we're watching him as a musician uh the entire time we're like man like he's a really good drummer if we ever need a drummer we'll hit him up and you know i'll do it yeah and then like yeah so it's just a mutual like i guess mutual uh beneficial uh beneficial for both of us because we want to take this shit to the next level. I think it's easy that there's just three of us too. Just even one person lasted in like four piece, blah, blah, blah, but it's easy to be like, you know, make decisions. Like really tightened our sound too.

Yeah. Yeah. The chemistry in the bus. We're there for like 22 hours a day kind of thing, you know? You're just in such a, even more so on us. You're like in such an confined spot even when you play. You know, hey, let's get ready for the show. Okay.

we're going to stay in here. Play the show. It's surprising. It shows over. It shows over. It's a whole heist. I mean, we walk around while we're driving. I'm like, it's huge in here, dude.

It's bigger than my apartment at San Francisco. Yeah. And you guys are a power three piece, but you don't have a bass player. That's very, like, unique. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. People told us, like, you should get a baseball or should get a basler. But, like, is he going to match a hustle?

Is he going to... Toby just plays the middle pit up. Yeah. Is he gonna put in the same work as we do? We haven't met the guy. So he's like, why are we gonna invite the laziest person in the band? Yeah. I'm kidding.

Yeah, right. I love you, Dan. Yeah, we're open to like, you know, for that to happen, it's just like, he just need to match what we got going on. Yeah. Yeah. You got to be ha ha. Yeah. You're like falling in like your own vibe, like, well, if they show up, you see, like, who's, like, who's, you know, who's, you know, who's, you're going to be ha ha ha, you got to be.

Yeah. who's going to match our vibe and who's going to match our obsession. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's cool. You guys are upset, huh? Yeah, man. We're pretty obsessed. Yeah, we're probably played almost every night, man. Like, once we took control of like playing live music, that was game over.

Or game just started. Game on. Game on. Hey, game on, you know. Game over, game on. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, we don't have to answer to nobody. We just kind of just do our thing and like just win the people. And that's all that really matters, you know. Yeah, I mean, the fans have to say, you know,

Yeah. It's cool. You guys, because, man, you're all up to a show and play a bunch of people that want to see you.

That's fucking dope. Yeah. They love it. People, that's all they want. And that's all any musician, I think, wants.

I feel that we're the lucky ones because, like, any artist just wants to play to a crowd that wants to see it, right? You know, the energy of the crowd is got to be,

like, when you say, how was the show, you ask anybody. How was your shows, right? Yeah. It's all about how the crowd was

and how the crowd reacted. It's like more than half of it easily. yeah so it feels good yeah and we get to talk to people I think that's the main thing we're reachable right we're like right there yeah it's happening right now

yeah exactly you are correct yeah like we like stay there to like the last person buy his merch and you know and then we go and yeah there'll be cops there telling everybody leave and we're still

still talking to people that is actually one of like the coolest things about it like if you happen to be lucky to talk to like a random person or a random fan or anyone and you have a conversation you would have normally had.

It's so cool. Every time. A handshake and like... It's really nice for me to see other people interacting too, you know, because I get to see it first and, like, you know, because they're just like, what's going on here? You know, two random people coming from wherever.

And they become friends. And they're like, what is this? You know, who are these guys in? Yeah, they do. They exchange numbers. It's beautiful. Yeah, I've seen it right in front of my face. Hopefully we get to marry some people eventually.

Matchmakers. Yeah, matchmakers. Damn. We're single. John, where are you originally from? I'm from the Philippines. You're from the Philippines, huh? Yeah, I'm an immigrant.

Wow. That's fucking dope. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. What is it like over there? I have no idea. Over there, well, I moved here in the mid-2000s, so I can only say from the time that I was there.

It was really cool, man. Like, over here, I feel like a lot of people pick and choose what kind of music. they like and over there they just eat them all up they just like all American culture and all that so like when I was growing up there I was into slip knot and then I'm into like some 41 and there's and it was okay and we were like rocking out to all of them we loved bling 182 even backstreet boys was like like a popular thing over there like the weird thing is when I moved here when I started getting to music here people were telling me that's not cool this is not cool you know that's that's a difference

That was a big difference. Yeah. There's like a, like a, so you experience here, like, like, like the music gatekeeping and like, you listen to this, but you can't listen to this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So weird. And then that's why, like, I always tell people, like, I have a third world perspective, you know.

Like, I'm more grateful of things and, like, rather than not appreciate on other things, yeah. Only, only you could say that because, like, you, like, you lived it. Yeah, I lived it, yeah. Yeah, I walked. mountains to go to school early in the morning, 4 a.m. in the morning, we go to school. 4 a.m. Yeah. And our school starts at 7th. So just imagine how far that travel is. There are no break in between those travels. Driving to L.A. ain't so bad, right? Yeah. And it also, like, it helped me, like, become, like, part of the community.

Like, over there, it's, like, a little bit, you know, like, kind of, like, tribe mentality. Like, you know, we help each other. You know, that's why everyone in my circle, I always try, help them send them work or like you know recommend them to other people and stuff like that yeah wow so yeah you i mean you brought that your way of life here yeah i mean i grew up there you know to my uh to my teens you know so like i lived a double high school life because over there's there's no there's no middle school so when i moved here they're like you go back to freshmen yeah i had to go high school again yeah i had to go high school again that sucks i'm sorry it In a way, I wouldn't meet this guy.

That's true. I'm grateful for all the, all the bad things that happened because a lot of good things happen. I didn't consider that a bad thing, though, because I got to live four years here again in high school. You know, like, that's pretty cool. Yeah, you have such a wide, like, perspective, you know. I think things that, like, we try to, you know, sit here and, like, build. I literally kind of, how do I build my perspective? Like, you go out talking to people, you just naturally have that.

it's there born yeah I guess oh yeah because you're born with nothing you know you know for getting the mountains or shit and all you gotta do is just be happy like I went I went to Africa too and built school there you serious yeah yeah and then like that gave me another perspective because everybody was everybody there was happy man there's that so that's what going to Africa that made me want to be a musician because when I was building a school there every night there's a drum circles they're just celebrating life or whatever, you know, all the hardships that they go through every day. And then like, and they let me play one of the drums and like it hit me.

It was like, wow, I don't know why. How old were you when you did that? I was 16, maybe, 16, something like that. It was like, yeah, I was a junior. So that was 16. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah, I did that.

And then like, from there, I experienced that. I was like, wow, I want to be musician. I like how it brought people together. And at the time, I was getting into, like, more deeper into, like, the metal and stuff like that. You know, I was starting to discover, like, the deep cuts of Metallica and stuff. And then it was just, kind of like a, I guess it was a perfect combination of things that made me want to be able to, maybe you want to do this. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a trip, I mean, you're talking 16 years later. Yeah. You know, we're hanging out. The trip, huh? Yeah, so trip just like, dude, I'll just see you on stage all the time. Oh, my goodness. I worked one of your concerts in San Francisco before. What was the venue?

I think it was either Warfell the Regency. Okay. We played the Regency more often. Yeah, I was the Regency, yeah. Yeah, well, I was a bartender. I was in the back, dude. Sling and drinks. Dang, thank you.

That makes for a better show, dude. I appreciate that, John. I was getting people drunk. Oh, shit. That's why the show is badass. Yeah. San Francisco. Yeah, yeah, you know, like I specifically picked all the metal shows because I was learning from the bands. I was learning, I was watching Behemoth, like, do their thing and watching

you guys do your thing and at the gates. And then like, and I got to do them for free. And I was just like on the, on the back of the bar and then just like, damn, I want to be there, you know. Like, how do you get there? You got to figure this out, you know? Yeah, you ask the best question. Like, uh, John Wupport were very similar in that. Like, you know, like you see it. And it's like, I want to do that. How? Yeah. How?

You know, there's something is maybe untangible or like, you know, I'm just going to do it. Just do it. You guys just do it. Yeah. Yeah. And then we do it again.

Yeah. And again and again. What was it? What was it? He always says something that his dad told him. Like, the best way to get a job is just start doing it. Yeah. You know, before you know it, you're already doing it.

It's true. Yeah. And when you're also doing this a trip to me is you're like you have the ability to play more than one show in a day yeah so you'll let's say today like uh you would normally party play a show around like this time yeah then you'll shoot over hours to play 11 p.m. somewhere like outside outside of like an okay show or something yeah yeah something like that yeah it's pretty awesome and uh that way we're like kind of figure out like to efficiently tour before we when we first did the first tour we were playing three shows a day

for eight days yeah for eight days it was hard in our bodies it's like a month long tour it felt like a month but it was a week but like wow the results of like doing that it was like incredible though

yeah what like what were the someone like the results well we met Gary Holt from accidents and before we met him that night we were playing at a beach in San Diego and then we met a promoter that was a fan of ours

He, like, throw it, like, he has a wrestling ring and all that stuff. Dirty Ron. Dirty Ron. Shut out, dirty Ron. Yeah. And then, yeah, from there, I got, we got a guitar endorsement, you know. And, like, just people fucking fucking with us. People giving us food and, you know, getting us a lot of beer, for sure.

People bring cases, like, on the bus. Yeah. Yeah. Drop it off. Yeah. Someone rolled us a hundred joints. Yeah. A hundred.

Yeah. And you put them in a big zip-lock back, bro, like, in a fucking, like, you've never seen. How do you smoke all that? that shit. We did. We were giving it away. Oh my, you guys want merge and we got free joints. Yeah. We also got joints for sale.

Yeah. Oh, that's fucking sick. One for 20, two for 40. That's a deal. Yeah, you like, you like created your own opportunity. Like, I mean, yeah, you like, you met, you know, saw the video of Gary of buying a shirt. It's fucking so sick, you know.

Yeah. You guys were talking to? Yeah, we talked to him once in a while, you know. He's busy. Of course. Yeah, like everybody else, you know. Yeah. He's on top of his game. Yeah, it's still on top of his game.

It's crazy. Cool. Yeah. It's only a trip like talking to anyone that, like, you listen to their music. Yeah, idolized for a little while, you know. Like, whoa. With age, you know, with a lot of failures. I'm learning to just kind of sit back, chill, calm down, calm down my anxiety.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. It should be for, like, Gary, I would see him like at local shows sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. And I just be in the back, you know, like.

Oh, that's Carol. And then we saw them for free at Tidal Wave in 2009. That was like, just going full circle and like how we met him and like we're talking to him now. It was just like it was cool seeing at NAM. It was crazy. Yeah. And we're the same guitar company. That was kind of cool.

That was like my first metal concert, right? Tidal Wave 2009. Yeah. Really? That shit was, it was crazy, man. I was like not a metal head at all or anything. And back in 2009, I was like into. video games and Weezer and stuff like that.

Still is. I am still into Weezer and shit like that. The good shit. Yeah, but like, I just saw just like, hell of dudes just freaking shoving and shit like by the freaking concrete stage. I was like, goodness. God damn. It looked pretty dangerous, man.

But it was just like, it's all, it looks pretty freaking fun too. And around that time they had like the other singer. Oh, I forgot his name. The bald dude, the big guy. Yeah. He was scary, man. Exhibition B or something. Yeah, and he took Gary Hall's guitar and they did the solo.

I was like, what, you can solo, too? Dude, so sick. Yeah. Talented dudes, man. Yeah, legends. Yeah, I just want to say that your latest song, the end's pretty sick. Thank you. Thank you.

I mean, thank you guys for playing it outside. Holy shit. That was heavy. Yeah, thank you. It was a combination of influences. It was very early in the day. That was like the first song we finished together. Yeah, that's a band.

As this lineup. At this lineup, yeah. Yeah, how do you feel like having Ron? It's good, man. It's like the vibe is good. As he's right here. Yeah, yeah. We get stuff done.

Yeah, we get stuff done. He got wisdom to put it on the table too, so like it gives another perspective. Yeah. Yeah. It's really cool. Thank you. Yeah. How do you feel about that?

That is some love right there. Straight up. I mean, these are my boys, dude. It's cool. I mean, like, when we go out there, we're like, yo, it's just the three of us ready to take on 300, man. It's like that movie. dude. For real.

How many people have we reached this year? The three of us. At one point, it's like our Instagram. Over a million. Yeah, over a million. Just the three of us is getting in it.

You know how like those stats? At one point it was like, it went to a million. I was like, a million accounts. Yeah, like we were up like, but they didn't follow us.

36,000. They just saw it. They just saw it on a profile. Anyone listening, watching follow on Instagram. Yeah. At average SF. Of course.

Quick, quick, quick, quick, shout out there. Yeah. We will definitely do it more. , of course, thank you for the shirt as well. Hell yeah, thank you, man. Boom.

I'm just printing that the phone. It looks good. Oh my goodness. So you literally printed these shirts a couple days ago. Yeah. Two days ago, I think. Yeah. Yeah.

Dude, that's the future right there, man. Yeah. It's fucking badass. It's cool to see it, like, looking at it. It's just like, wow. We did that. So it's just from the business, Savage People? Yeah.

Cool. Sawhisheep was the business. Like, that was, like, our excuse to, like... That's the Savage People's shirt right. Yeah. There's a Savage People's shit right here. Great. It was kind of like a business venture that we did to like cover the cost of being in the band

And like now it's like kind of growing more than the just that Yeah, yeah initially like that's how we bought our first ambulance. It's like we were screen printing for like two weeks straight Saving money for that shit Two weeks yeah yeah, but we were doing a lot of orders at the time we were like young and then like didn't know anything about the business yet So we were just like doing 20 shirts for like a hundred bucks you know printing for little small bands and stuff and then we did like 20 them or something like that and we went on tour right after

yeah we did made some funds yeah that's how we did them just casually bought a van before the bus playing off like batteries and stuff you guys have a generator at one point yeah we got a generator at one point yeah it's like prehistoric now that what we got

that's nuts yeah holy shit you just really tried to make it happen they would play down in like COVID on the beach yeah caves they would build stages to put build put the drums on it and then carry the stage down don't do that don't do that idea is terrible because like what we did we had like uh you know screen printing you know when you when you print shirts with the frame sure so we took the mesh out so we use and then we put wood on top of it and so that serves as like a platform for the drums just to make it light because it's made an aluminum yeah the what we didn't

think about is like the jump set is heavy all the metal hardware so we were like oh this is a good idea you know it folds up blah blah you know and then and then by the time the showtime we were like okay we can carry this thing this the most efficient way to like set up a jump set in the cave on the hill it's like carry it up it's just holy shit was fucking heavy we had like four people carrying it oh yeah yeah and we had like the the drum rack dude Anyway, the bus is way more efficient. Yeah, yeah, totally. What else do you do?

Do I see screen printing, graphic design? Yeah, do graphic design. Yeah, we do a little bit of videography and photography and stuff. I think it's very important for it. If you're trying to follow anything, they kind of know a little bit about everything. Yeah, you know. Like definitely graphic design, I feel like that's a really big deal. Because that's what separates you from a good band to a really bad local band.

To have like a whole vision. Yeah. To just have that like, if you see a flyer, you can tell us a local show. And then like there's going to be 20 people there. It's what makes you like, like, like you said earlier, you like, you know, to get somebody's attention like that is super important. Yeah. Just looks professional and symmetrical, you know, like all that shit. You guys just knew that.

Yeah. Yeah. Me and him, like, we make art all the time. We learn Photoshop together and stuff like that. And we look at advertisements at billboards. We don't do that. Yeah. And then we just talk about, like, he's like, look at that font right there.

Look at that color scheme. And look at that symmetry. We were just, like, casually hanging out and stuff. And then suddenly we just, like, started making fun of things. And it all got to, like, start making fun of graphic design. And then we started studying it. Yeah. Oh, yeah, sure.

Oh, I'm sorry, man. And it was like that for, like, just anything, too, with making videos and stuff. Like, you know, we watch movies. We watch the same movies and stuff like that. Yeah. And we make, we have the same, like, type of jokes. And we make fun of it. We pretty much don't do the things that we make fun of.

unless it's like a funny thing yeah you're a door tropic thunder yeah yeah you probably learn there's like a purpose with like the colors

and like all that stuff it's like there's like like science want to speak to like you're subconscious such like to just like just like to the

you want to have a certain vibe to it sometimes yeah yeah yeah and that's hard to do so in fact oh you know that it's pretty sick

and we we compare ourselves to like the bands that we like you know like and we sit there watch their music videos

when we're like smoking and like you know like in our headquarters everybody does that Yeah, and they were just like, that's cool. Let's fucking take mental notes of that. And like, we would go home and we would watch something that we think it's interesting and we share it. You could pull inspiration from like so many genres too.

Yeah. That was the thing with, remember, I was telling you about like how growing up we were, I was open to like pop punk, heavy metal, blah, blah, you know. I think that's what that gave me an advantage eventually to be open about like different inspirations. Different inspirations. Yeah, because it doesn't have to be just one song. genre just one way of doing something we you have a whole you literally just step back and have this whole plate of inspiration for music and videos and yeah like our newest song like one of our newest songs has like a total like in my opinion more like a hip-hop vibe and like almost kind of like that

rage against the machine kind of groove to it you know like which wasn't traditional to our like thrash sound generally and then you got some run the jewels vibes right exactly turn down for what vibes yeah yeah good whatever that is very strong. It's good. This is the Imperial role, Ben. Heavy metal buds, shut out. Yeah.

Yeah. Sorry, I'm gonna kill it. Oh, no, no, no. I mean, smoke it the whole time. Don't let me ruin the podcast. Yeah. I smoke all the time, so it's like, you know, big deal for me.

That's some powerful shit. Thank you. I used to get arrested for weed, like once a year growing up. And now my band's got a strain of weed name different. Yeah, time changed, huh? Yeah. It's so weird. Check for success right there, dude.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember, I was just thinking about this this morning, when I was, like, growing up back in the Philippines, I was, like, really into the weed culture. Yeah. Yeah, I would have, like, weed shirts all the time and stuff. And it's just funny, like, just kind of full circle that we... There's some metal bands that are in the...

I'm a weed enthusiast. What's that one metal band that has that weed? What are they called? Cannabis corpse. Yeah, cannabis corpse. Yeah. So good. Holy shit.

You got... Actually, John, you were talking about... you used the term web 3. Yeah. And then you started talking about vinyl and some, like, what, what did you mean by that? So we're coming out with a vinyl in a couple months with this company called OnChane Records. So what they do is like there's this thing called blockchain. They were talking about like how like your credit card when you just tap the chip.

So it's like same kind of technology. So the vinyl that we're going to have, have that chip in it so you don't have to have a vinyl player to play the music it'll just go straight to your phone and it's an NFT file yeah

so innovative shit and then like I was doing an interview with them a couple days ago and they were asking about Web 3 and had no idea what it is and then like I pretended like I knew what it was and then I got the context clues

or whatever okay that's what Web 3 is so now I think we're going to a new era What is Web3? Web3 is about like, the first one was just like taking information in. And Web 2.0, I think it's about taking information and giving information. Okay. And the Web 3 is like owning things like NFTs and all that stuff. I mean, shit, I'll pretend to understand.

I'm still kind of new to it to the idea. I can't really like really, I think I feel like only time will tell what that is actually. but like from what I've heard from those guys it's gonna be the next phase of like internet I wonder that's something to look forward to I think so yeah I mean everything is weird at first right yeah everything's weird at first and then like

they get better at it anal sex yeah it's wait what uh oh I was curious because you had you mentioned NFTs that's a very hard subject to understand. It's kind of goes... It is, man.

It's pretty hard for us, too. I was like... But we obviously already had NFTs going on when we're now for, wow, a couple years. Now, is this going to be like... Is that going to be evolving into...

Yeah. Yeah, I think so. That's what do you mean about that ownership part, right? Yeah, now you get to own the information. Yeah, that's like limited. Yeah. Still, still, I don't...

Yeah, it's hard to think. Yeah, it's still kind of new... It's like a very... So you really have to ask, you have to ask on-chain records. Those type of guys. Like the, the cool thing about being in the Bay Area, though, like, you get to, like, kind of see, like, the first wave of things. Because that's, you know, that's where, like, the startups and all that.

That is true, especially being for where the ban is from right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We survive gentrification, you know. We fucking got through that, you know. And, but now, like, we're kind of cool with some of the tech people. I mean, it's still gross there.

It's a city for sure. It's weird. Yeah, it's a weird city. Yeah, when you're talking about deep into San Francisco or deep into, I mean, L.A. You know, it's like, it's a different place, you know. But there is magic around it, you know, which is, you know, I can't help but not, you know. Yeah. What I like about the Bay Area a lot is that entrepreneurship is like a big thing there.

Yeah. And I feel like in just in the metal world or, like the punk world, like that doesn't kind of exist, you know? Like, no one's starting their own businesses like that. Not, there's, there's no nipsy hustle. Just follow the steps. There's no, yeah. You don't see like, uh, join your Lucas on like.

People just doing the same program the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like, not innovative thinking. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And like, and the way it's kind of frown upon too. Yeah.

Like, that's not traditional. Yeah. You know, you know, you got to do it this way. Yeah. Don't ever listen. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I never listened to it all.

I hear you, but yeah, right. You're not getting to me. I'm going to kill this. So what got us into like the whole independent thing is actually hip-hop. It got us into that. Really? Yeah, tech nine, dude. Strange music.

Strange. We were listening to that and then like we came across McElmore. And Macromo's independent artist. And then he was like the first mainstream independent artist. Yeah. Whoa. And it's crazy to think that, like, that album, The Heist is 10 years old. And that, like, you listen to that fucking album, like, talks about being an independent artist.

And, like, before he actually blew up, I was able to email them and they responded. And, like, ask for advice. Like, how do you do this? You know? And they're, like, just keep independent, you know, like, try to do everything yourself. And if not, you can always rely on your community to do it. So that's pretty much our formula. Yeah, it sounds like you were saying, be independent and know when to have brand help.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's so cool. Like, the fans, like, they love to interact with us and we love to interact with them. Like, it's like in Instagram, they've told us where to come play. You know, they've saved us spots, you know, like how just like you did really like, you know, you sent us a picture of right we're going to pull up. And, you know, it's really cool. We've met so many great people. And it just, we just continue to do it.

Yeah. Just got to keep going. You gotta keep going. I mean, speaking of being innovative, like, you'll announce a show, like, with only 24 hours in advance. Sometimes, yeah. Yeah, most of the time, yeah.

That's great. How do you even, like, start to do that? Oh, wait, we could, at first we weren't announcing anything for, like, from, we started in October. Probably, like, 50 shows without telling anybody. We'll just play. Jam Bush. It's called Jam Bush.

yeah we wouldn't announce it but that was a trial period you know and then like we got more confident and then like people demanding stuff and keep giving us tips and then like it's a whole interaction with like the fans it was really it's really cool man it's like a scavenger hunt the first couple of months man like who are who are these guys and where they're going to show up have you ever seen that movie um naked nora infinite playlist nick and nora i got i know yeah yeah but you check that out but like they're the whole movie they're following this band, the white rabbit band or something. And at the end of the movie, they actually find the band.

And yeah, it can't have that vibe. Yeah. Oh, like, oh, you guys played it already? We're like, yeah, like, damn it, we just got here. Yeah, they're like, yeah, where the cops shut us down. Yeah, it's super cool. Like, it's a different thing. It's very different. You have your own thing and having your own thing's pretty badass.

Thank you. Thanks so. Yeah. You'll be surprised how many people don't do that in general. I mean, holy shit. to have your own thing, to be your own thing, stuff. Yeah, it's very scary, man.

When we first quit our jobs, it's scary to shit that we ever fucking done in our lives. Really? Yeah, because we didn't have any backup, you know? And we just like... All in. All in, you know, we're just like fucking hustle, making stretch for other people or like fucking try them,

luckily enough, like, the music part started paying itself off. It's like we could go to work for eight hours or we could get in the bus drive down here in eight hours and talk to you. Like, what do you choose? to do you know i'm calling out of work i don't know about you yeah yeah that is like the escaria part you know yeah it's like i just i don't have my own like your brain starts to freak out yeah

and no guidance too that that's what i think of you gotta have your own road dude gotta have their own road yeah we built our own thing and like we just really like um well for me speaking for me i just got frustrated on child book shows and other bands try to borrow our gear breaking them sound guys not doing his job he hates his life you know like uh hates your life yeah and then you know to promote pass-out flyers at shows and like all the things that I didn't like about being in the band I pretty much got rid of it and it was just all about music and the people that's all that matters now you took out any kind of like politics side of it yeah I took all I fucking because I was playing in the game for a while you know that's why I started working

at the Warfield and Regency and like kind of learn business side. The obstacles really now are the police. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Police and for you guys, it's, uh, we're playing the outside of a mobile gas station and there's a helicopter up there and stops the to stop. It's pretty sick.

Pretty safe. That was a really good one. Yeah, and yeah, the biggest thing was the politics of it. I hated that because like, you know, like, uh, now the time is changing, you know, like I feel like at the time that we were starting our band, like being brown wasn't really a thing you know like because I'm Filipino

he's Cambodian and like I'm from New Jersey yeah and our drummer at the time is Guadamalan you know so we were had this like a weird like diverse group

but like no one was really supporting us because we weren't really also trying to reach out to like the Filipino community or like the Hispanic community or like this we kind of just like we want to be ourselves

get rid of all that but just by about music but like sometimes you're going to play those games to like get on like the big shows you know like in the bay area for sure and like that's something that like i really didn't like and so we that's why we started savage people started throwing our own shows started like booking anyone who we can or like who wants to work hard you know you guys take things into your own hands that's impressive thank you that that that's that's that's very impressive to take things in your own hands

yeah i mean some people go like here so many people hear no and be like oh it's no yeah I know you got to actually, you got to try to play to another show, you got to practice more. You just kind of print more shirts. You just get out the promoters say no again. And then like you just keep. Yeah. If you love it, you just got to keep going. Yeah.

And I was just like, you know what? I'm not going to take no anymore. I won't start my own shit. That's hard as it is to do it all independently. It kind of in a weird way makes it easier. Yeah. You know? We don't answer to anybody.

There's a cool thing. Gift and the curse. We only answer to like, you know, people that we're talking to like you, you know? And like real conversations rather than like walking on eggshells, you know, and like maybe the, my, I go my, my manager won't like this or like that, you know. We just imagine our own thing and do our own thing. Yeah. Yeah. I'm stoned.

Yeah. It's all good. I just woke up. Yeah. I think the sponsor is working. Yeah. But it's cool that you don't, and it's great that you don't let that take away your passion, which is, it happens, dude. It's so nuts.

Yeah. And then you have the work to actually get back the passions. You already have a natural like, okay, this, I'm not going to let this affect this, you know? We still have so much fun. Yeah. Every time we play up there, dude, it's so much fun. Yeah. You just go and march forward every time.

Like, if something bad happens, we figure out how to get through it and like, do it. Until the wheels fall off. Yeah. And replace it. And then son. And keep going. Yeah. You guys are inspiring.

I mean, holy shit. Oh, thanks, man. That's fucking badass. I'm glad that I'm able to like be. I want to go play right now. I can't wait. I can't wait to play. But yeah, but for real, though, like, thank you for, like, giving us this platform because

it's something that I want to talk about and, like, you know, how we are as a band. And thank you guys for talking. I mean, I want people to be heard because I know to have your own life, you know, not being heard. Yeah. So, you know, that's kind of why we're here. Hell yeah. It's awesome, man.

Oh, yeah. Cheers. Cheers to that. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers to telling your story. Hell yeah. Chairs of Bud Light sells through

And Lion Rita Stone's cool too You guys are fucking smart Thank you man You know it seems like It seems like you have like Things very well thought out

You know Yeah So we think about Oh yeah I definitely wish I started smoking weed sooner I'm 36 I just started like fucking Like six months ago

Yeah That's cool Yeah recent Yeah It's never too late Never too late It's never too late I'm one of those, like, paranoid smokers.

Start smoking. Sometimes you have to, like, I feel like when you get to that level, you need to go a little deeper so you can, like, really, like, phase your demons and, like, come out of it. You're right. Yeah, because I get, I'm insecure when I'm super high. I get really insecure. And people call that paranoid, but I think it's insecurity coming at you.

Nice. Yeah. Insecurity coming out you. And I, I 100% agree with you. Yeah. And then, like, you just fight that demon, man, and, like, get on top. And then you figure out, okay, this is how I'm going to live my life. Like, this is how I'm going to solve problems.

Because, like, when you get those paranoid moments, I think those are the problems that's deep inside your mind that you need to solve. Well, John, I was just having these thoughts on Monday. Like, it's, because you always have demons. Yeah. You know, and it's weird, like, having, like, this conflict literally inside your skin. You have, like, the demons coming up. And it's dark side. But your mind, you could choose your mind being stronger or not.

It's like, it's like this two, it's like, it's, you know, where it feels like you're separated, like from your mind and your soul. But then your mind has to come in and stop like, it's basically a demon. Yeah. I consider itself a doubt a demon. Yeah. Or like you're either bitch. Yes. Inner bitch.

Shout out to you, I drove Rogan. He coined that fucking badass. Dude, yeah. It's like, it is, I mean, you said it the best way. I mean, it is insecurity. And like, I mean, even on 36 now, I'm, you think you're processed some stuff, but, but that we will bring out, like,

this is some shit you got to deal with. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's crazy like that. And that's why I'm a weed enthusiast. It's a constant battle, huh? Yeah.

Like, it's always between your subconscious demons and you. Yeah. Yeah. So we're like how it never goes away. Yeah, it never goes away. It's all that, it's all you, though. That's why it never goes away. As long as there's,

you there's you they'll always be that yeah you can't live life it's inside your yeah inside you're in young dude totally yeah it's so weird yeah people call paranoid but yeah there's like uh i like my demons they they just call it paranoid i should pan i'm dark side a long time i'm we're friends yeah we hang out all the time yeah that's why you see you hear a lot of people say i get paranoid i think that i don't know they say that because i'm way too confident they need to The demon there. Yeah. They need to conquer that shit.

Dement or plural. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Demons. Yeah. Yeah. And then as you get older, you know, and you get, like, responsibilities there's like, even I think even demons are born.

Yeah. You know? It's like, oh shit, I got to do it. I got to face this. Yeah. Even like, yeah, like your laziness too. Like could be a different kind of demon, you know? You could be just like in back of your head.

It's like, oh, maybe I should edit that video. Nah. Or like, you know, like, maybe. I should respond to this guy later and you never respond. That is a demon, huh? Yeah. Yeah. It's like, yeah, they're robbing you from your opportunities.

I'm fucking with other people that potentially can go somewhere. Damn. Well, that's what's up. Holy shit. Call your parents. Do you ever, and we'll close the demon talk is that, would you ever, like, smoke on purpose, my hoping, like, okay, I hope this goes there. and so I could process whatever I need in the process.

No, I just smoke like regularly. Okay. Yeah. You know, kind of like that fucking sublime song. Wow. Smokes a joy to the morning. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's just like a regular thing. And then like really like having not to worry about like answering to anybody, now I have to answer to myself. So that means I have to talk to myself and think about all that shit all the time. Wow. Yeah. Damn, dude. Well, yeah, I definitely smoke weed to do that on purpose.

Yeah. It's definitely for me not a good time yet. Yeah. You know, I do it alone is what's in there. Right in a journal. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool, man. Go about your day.

Swoking weed for me centers me. You know, like I feel like I have a lot of thoughts without it. And then like when I smoke weed, it like eases me into being like, yo, this is cool. You know, I'm okay with this. Yeah, and you appreciate music sometimes way more. Like, I love getting high and listen to a Slater. Duh, that's part of the heaviest. Yeah, that's like, it's like, duh.

Like horror movie, man, like, like, like, fucking driving around. Yeah, it's like two of my favorite things in the world. Like God hates us all. Duh. That's good. That was a record for me. Exile, man, exile on that album is the best, number seven. The Bloodline is like my first Slater song ever heard.

Really? Yeah. It was like that movie, Dracula 2000. Yeah. It was like the same. Yeah, no, that was the only movie. Yeah. Yeah.

But I first heard of Slayer through song 41. Dude, did you? Did you hear about the, that's awesome. Like that Spider-Rond movie? Mm-hmm. They have the song for it. Like, rock, we're all about just live for. That's what I shouted out.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. But Kerry King showed up. And then I was watching the MTV making the music video when they used to it. Oh, I love those. And then Gary Gang, all badass. And, yeah. That's how this goes, thank you for Stone 41.

See how like, you have gateway bands? Yeah. Sound 41 was a gateway band to the Slaternity one. They're hard, dude. And Sun 41 goes hard. Yeah. They're hard. Oh, yeah, they're fucking heavy too, man.

Yeah. Yeah, especially lately. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, heavy could be all in any form. Yeah. You know? It could be slow.

Like, you know, everything's hardcore if you ask me. Yeah. Yeah. At the base of it. Well, in my personal opinion, I think, it feels like you guys do a lot of research and what's going on as far as like behind the music and what's going on like what like you know where

where do you see all this going where what do you see music more specifically metal going uh well pretty good year for metal I gotta be quite honest I mean we we saw so many shows yeah we were out there at all of the shows and all the shows we were there huge so I mean I got to say I feel like people are really really into it

you know especially in our perspective yeah the live show people are loving it I mean, that's what it's all about for us is our live show. You know, we're just out there. That's how people know us, literally, because they're like, oh, I saw you here, oh, I saw you here, I saw you here. Yeah. Because it's just, it's, people are out there.

I'm going to say that. They're out there looking to have a good time. So if you want to put, if you want to play metal shows, do it. Now's the time. Yeah, that's the way you're asking? No, maybe, yeah, it could be, musically. It could be like, internet, ask you go of it, anything that. The show's a big of it.

Yeah, shirts are getting bigger, I think, you know, because we play every after show. They're getting bigger at selling out. In terms of business, like, hopefully, like stuff like this would be more put out in the, you know, becoming more independent kind of thing, you know. More people just get involved, you know? Everybody does it individually. It becomes a bigger thing. Yeah. Like, hopefully, like, this interview can change somebody's perspective or something, I know.

At least one, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, or, yeah, but for us, like, for where we're going, we're going to just do our thing. thing and then like if a company wants to work with us partnership who knows you know we're not going to sign our full rights to you just we know what we can do and we know what you can do well yeah nowadays you can just let's shake hands and partnership and change the world you know the W3 or whatever you want to call it all about ownership right you're saying yeah so who knows the rights are changing anything like that and then I feel like a lot of more minorities are coming in

yeah yeah yeah it'll be like a hopefully like a water spectrum of diversity. Yeah. Of all sorts. We've seen a lot of a lot of diverse crowds. Yeah. I mean,

all over across the board, all ages too. Yeah. Some of those who... Very young. People are like, people are bringing their kids to shows now, you know?

Like, said, they're becoming fans of us too. Like the really, really young kids, I mean, like, how that kid was probably 11 or 12. Yeah. So, he was excited for us

to come here. He told me, he's like, oh, I'm so excited for you guys to be on the Suicide Silence podcast. And I was like, what little kid?

You're awesome. Wow. Yeah, that was just when was that after the last show the aftershock festival yeah that was fun too there's gonna be more festivals though i think the afterstock festival is a good one yeah yeah it's like i feel like there's gonna be more rock and metal festivals coming yeah like like around the country yeah around the country yeah world yeah because like uh it was more i feel like it's more this year than last year yeah it's yeah it's there was always more popping up which uh you know i think it's still kind of getting back

to the way things were before the pandemic honestly. You know, it's still taken a while for people to go back around to have money? But I think it's just going to be individual festivals. Yeah. But I think, I have a conspiracy.

I don't know if I'm right about this, but all the graphics of all those festivals are the same. So I'm pretty sure the same person that's running them. That's a very intelligent observation. I mean, like you were saying earlier, you pay attention to that.

Is it true? Is it true? You play that sort of thing. You play those festivals. It depends which ones. For somebody who like, you know, studies that stuff. I mean, you have an eye for it.

Yeah. That's the same font. It's the same guy. Same font. That's your style, boy. Like this festival in Aftershock has a very similar font. Was it like loud louder than life? The fact that you see that is awesome.

Yeah. And it is. It is, right? Yeah. And also like I saw like before the pandemic, Metallica was going to play all these festivals. Yes. And they did like a press conference. It's like just one guy.

And they were contracted to play all these festivals. Oh, wow. Yeah. They did like a live video on their Facebook page or something. Just one dude. Whoever that guy is. Hey, hit us up, dude. You want to play those festivals.

Easy. Because we're going to play them anyway. Yeah. We're going to figure out a way to get on those festivals. We're already outside. One or the other. We'll see you there. We're probably going to use like our business to like get in there or something.

We are already outside. We're playing at 2 p.m. We're up at 11 p.m. We'll be there. Yeah. We're probably like buy a booth. If you're there. Those festivals.

and like convert our boot into a stage. I don't know. Who knows? We are. We are a stage. Yeah. Our life, I mean, all of our lives are our stage, right? Yeah. That was cheesy. Yeah. I wouldn't close to podcast.

That was pretty good. Say it again. An old worker told me it's like, life is not a dress rehearsal, so you better get on with it. There we go. Yeah. That was pretty high note. Yeah. He was a gay guy.

Oh, beautiful. Yeah. So I was going to ask you where do you see the band going, but it seems like you kind of said your future already. We're going to try to get hemorrhage on some of these Danny Wimmer festivals, you know. Yeah. Aftershock. Just keep playing. Just keep playing. And then fucking just keep going.

Everyone's always kept going to keep going lately. So we just can't keep going. We've got a bunch of new songs. And we'll fuck with anybody who wants to fuck with us. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Yeah.

There's the cool thing about knowing how to run the business and being on. entrepreneur is like you kind of have the shot to call what you want to do you know like whatever you whenever you want yeah like the vinyl thing like we were thinking about coming out the vinyl a company hit us up and then there's like perfect nfts che yeah yeah with an nfts so we'll see what that is yeah see where it goes first we got we got to understand it right yeah we're gonna understand it i have fully understand it you will you guys as you as you as a team i think yeah just like how we do things we will figure that along the way you know you know Like, there's a lot of things that we do that are questionable in the beginning, like, pulling the bus and stuff like that.

But, like, I kind of see things as, like, we're making this masterpiece that no one understands it yet, but now they're starting to understand because they see a little bit of, like, the artwork where it's going. Like, I think we've built the foundation and, like, did the concept the last 10 years. and now we're starting to paint on it on this canvas that we call life and now I feel like people are starting to see a little bit of it like only like an eighth of what we want to do as people yes I agree you know I think you already have a grasp with that

you know I saw you live and I saw you on the internet those two things are combined are pretty lethal and it happened to me so it looks like you guys are already keeping going so yeah well John, Toby, Ron, it was honored and a happy, guys. Thank you for making the drive down here, fucking playing outside a whole song.

Yeah. You guys almost killed me. I'll do it again. It was almost a fucking disaster. Almost died, okay, but thank you for the shirt. Where can people find you? Hemorrhage.net is where we want people to go, really. But you can find us on Instagram at the Hemorrhage,

and then Facebook, Hemorrhage. But mainly, I want to emphasize our own web. because we own that shit. H-E-M-O-R-A-G-E. Dot net. And yeah, because I feel like ownership is our next step. It's just, we want to own all our shit. Yes.

Yeah. So we can do whatever we want. We can license it, you know, we can put in movies. We can put it on anything. Give it away. Yeah. Great. Free if you want.

You're right. If you feel like it. All of our music is free. We play it to every show, every hemorrhage show is free. But I do want to- Tickets, free admission to every hemorrhage show. I don't want to say like, just be outside.

We'll be outside. Try to get the music directly from us because that's like the best quality you can get it. But we're going to sell it for a hundred bucks. Maybe. I know about that yet. We'll see.

No, you're you got to own it. Free shows. And then partner when you can and know when to bring someone from a team in. Yeah. Yeah. You got, you guys, are you doing it? Yeah.

Yeah. Pretty much. Thank you very much. Yeah. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. Hamidge, everyone. Thank you.

Later. Later.