Garza Podcast - 52: VENDED

Episode Date: November 7, 2022

Vended is an metal band from Des Moines, Iowa. We talk about Griffin's love for Green Day, hearing Skrillex in the 1st grade, playing along to Slipknot songs & much more! SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB VENDED is: Griffin Taylor, Cole Espeland, Simon Crahan, Jeremiah Pugh & Connor Grodzicki TIME CODES: 00:00 - Intro 00:51 - Band Name & Iowa 05:44 - Formation & Covering Nirvana 11:05 - AC/DC, Guns N’ Roses & Metal Influence 17:46 - Finding Your Sound 24:20 - Friendship 33:23 - 1st Show & The Pandemic 37:45 - Recording Process of Ded to Me 43:02 - Playing Injured 50:03 - Destroying Your Body At Shows 55:31 - Future of Vended 59:01 - Writing Process  

That's why we're here, I think, like, the journalism has always been not the best. You're talking rock and metal. It's all about the views and the clicks that you get on the page rather than the actual information itself. Yes. So we practiced for like two and a half years before we played our first show. That's crazy. And you play a first show without even having music out. You got your fucking crazy.

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Yeah, there's like multiple ways to say that, huh? Either Vendid or Bend Dead or I've been straight across. You got to be like, Ben Dead. Everybody gets it wrong. Vendid. It's like, I'm not. It's it. It's it, yeah.

Who came up with the band name? The lead singer. Griffin? I just, like, I think it we were like, it was during a Slip-Nought tour, and I was trying to figure out just random names, and I started, thank you, thank you for the mic. I just started writing down like a list of names

just to see what would come up, and Vendead was one that came up, And I was just thinking like, oh, vendetta, just shortening it down to vendead. Let's see if that will work. And then, like, everyone hated it, but we needed it. And we just, like, we just ran with it. We were going to do the thing where, like, we were like, we're just going to hold it until we find a better one. And then we played our first show.

Yeah. And then we're like, well, there's no fucking going back now. We literally, like, posted it on our Instagram. And we already had, like, 8,000 followers. Yeah. like there's no fucking point. There's like we already messed up. Yeah.

Like you got to stick. It's stuck and now we're here five years or four years later or something. Commit to the bit. Here we are. Yeah, it's funny how like a banning would just like just stay with you. Like that happened to us. We just committed to it and like well, we'll keep it that way until like something better comes along.

Yeah. And then you just kind of. Yeah. And it never happens. No. It's badass. Can we do a quick intro? Yeah.

Yeah. Uh, I'm Cole I play Cole I play I play guitar I am in Germany I play bass I'm grot

I play guitar I'm Griffin and I play I'm Simon and I play drums Holy shit Beautiful Well I really appreciate you guys being here I know you guys drove

Here straight from Iowa Yes sir Holy shit 24 hours of driving 24 hours Yes Damn dude in a band Two days

That's the life brother It is Hell yeah You're just doing them. All right, we'll fucking drive across the fucking country for a show. We'll do that thing. That's the problem of living in Iowa, bro. You're centralized, but you got to go everywhere.

Nobody comes to you. Yeah, if you want to fly out of the country, you need to drive all the way to Chicago. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, and so you guys are here to tour with Ginger, and the first show was supposed to be today in San Diego, but something happened with their visas, and their, uh, their, they're, uh, their, they're, they're, scheduled today's show so you have a pop-up show today in Long Beach yes that was very quick thinking this free pop-up show we're just doing like how all the people come out and yeah just jam so I tell you you guys found out about that when you were just

driving here like oh shit like what's gonna happen in the first show yeah shit sucks dude dude dude that that's what this thing is dude it's quick quick thinking okay like what else can we do you know can we do this and start throwing on some shitty ideas and one sticks hopefully yeah it's better than I mean sitting around sitting an extra day we'd rather go out and like play a show you know so it's better than just like sitting back waiting for the next show we're just like go out and do what we're supposed to do you know yeah whose idea what was it did the pop-up uh our manager our manager was like yeah just try it out he pretty much just messaged us like yo bad news uh oh dude we can get bad news and I at first I was like it's over like it's work going home oh I was about to, like, get ready to tell Cole who's driving, like, turn the fucking thing around right now. Youie!

Because he didn't see the message, and I was like, turn this bitch around. We're about to go home. And then he's like, let's just do a pop-up show, like, free. We'll have not fast, like, take part of it and all that stuff. And I was like, okay. So, yeah. Great. Great idea.

It's like, oh, shit, either you turn around. I'm like, wait, fucking drive faster. Drive faster. Delete the message. It never happened. We're playing at the venue in that one Subline song, April 26, 1992. Really? Really?

He talks about what those were like the, what was the guy's name? Those riots back in the day? I don't even remember, but he, he, like, stole all of, like, sublime's equipment from this, like, music store. And then wrote a song about it. Yeah. Damn. So you guys are playing that that same spot? Yeah.

Nice. Long Beach has a lot of history. Yeah. And from here is not too far. Maybe I just want to say 25 minutes It's a cool spot So you guys I guess this word can be stretched

But I usually say you know When did the band form? But for you guys it seemed It formed in 2018 However you could probably back it up more So so Cole Correct me about wrong So who founded the band Was it you first then you hit up Griff?

Yeah so me and Griff were in middle school together and I would see him every day just going down the hallways singing. Headphones in, just like as loud as he can sing it down the hallways. And I was just like, that guy needs to be in my band. I didn't, yeah, like, I was just like, that kid needs to be in my band. So we kind of like got together and played the talent show in eighth grade. And that was like our first formation. There's probably videos out there, but nobody should ever see them.

And then we got to high school. then got connected with Simon and then just started there and that was like 2018 February like February 2018 or something it was during it was during high school I know that so we were like all 14 when we met and just basically then we got JJ a couple months later then we got Grot about a year later and we just jammed for like two years before we played our first show just yeah homies so so it started yeah so you and Griff went to middle school Mm-hmm. Yes.

So seventh. Seventh, eighth grade, we kind of met. Middle school is seventh grade, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, I'm class of 2004, so it's been, it's been a while. Like, his house was very close to our school. So we would, like, right after school, we would walk towards his house and then, like, have a jam session where we would play covers,

and I would just sing what I could remember. Yeah. Yeah. So you guys also played a school talent show. That was technically. Me and Gris' first ever show. We did, uh, we did, uh, smells like teen spirit. And it was the worst, worst thing.

Cole did all right. Cole did amazing. It's four chords. Yeah. It's just, Oh, no, my gosh. Dude, we, we had that in comment. Uh, my first show was also, it was ninth grade.

We played. No, we didn't even, you got farther than me. You, I tried out for a school talent show. And, uh, there's, I, there's probably a video out there somewhere. embarrassing. Oh my God. Everyone's playing something different. We wrote a song.

Okay. And yeah, it was everyone was playing something different. Oh, it was fucking nuts, dude. And your head at the time, it was a great idea. But then when you get there...

But then you get there. And then you get older, and then you look back at it. You're like, that was fucking retarded. Yes. Yeah. But you know what? You got to start somewhere.

Oh, yeah. So look where we are now? Yeah. Crazy. From Iowa, now you're in Santa Ana. And you're cross-sable from me. And now we're chatting. The funny thing about that show was that...

Thank you. Was that when we were... The reason why we chose smells like teen spirit was because my music teacher was saying, no, you cannot do smells like teen spirit. No, we were going to do night train by guns and roses. That's right. And then they shut that one down. And so I was just like, we were trying to think of once.

I think war pigs came up and I was just like, I don't want to. Like, I love war pigs, but I don't want to just sit around for, like, three minutes. With my dick in my hand for about three minutes. As much as I love Ozzy. Like, but I, but I thought, I was, okay, how about supposed like T-Spirit? And then my music teacher said no to that. And I was just like, why not? Like, I questioned her authority.

And she said, it's because it's talking about drugs and talking about, like, like, doing, like, drugs in school and I'm like bullshit and I'm like I will call my dad right now and prove to you that it is not that and she like got all her information off of an article

and I'm like that's why you don't trust articles he pulled the dad card I pulled the dad card hard on that day we've all been there that's what I mean that's why we're we're here to I think like the journalism has always been not the best You're talking rock and metal.

It's all about the views and the clicks that you get on the page rather than the actual information itself. Yes. If you're talking about that song in particular, I don't even think, I mean, even Kurt, I don't think he ever said out loud what that song's about. So how can a teacher know what that song is about? Honestly, like his lyrics are so hard to decipher. Like, they're so vague. She was like, I swear to God, she said this straight up. Load up on guns was saying like shooting up heroin and I'm like you are

So old like you do not are you talking to me Oh my god that hurt my brain But that I mean that that's a great person to play though Awesome yeah talent show but you guys actually got to the talent show I didn't even get there and what's interesting about about you Cole is like you you you you came up with classical rock. Yeah. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I didn't really get into metal until I met these guys. Really? I was like Slash, ACDC, Guns and Roses, all that shit was my Led Zeppelin. All I played was Les Paul's. And then these guys introduced me that that shit. And then it was all downhill from fucking there. Because it was really awkward to, like, him come to the house and, like, him in, like, give the influence of, rock and I'm over here playing shit

like Joey would or like Jay would and he's just like okay I'll play slash we need to we need to we need to we need to like capitalize on something or just yeah and I was like hey man I'm not switching up my drums

you're gonna have to figure it out it took like six months and it became like a meld like I went metal he came less classic rock but still like yeah no but that's definitely where I started for sure It's sick because you guys you guys all have your own personalities

You know it's funny like when you know because I met Because I I found in my band and I I found Mitch later But we had like like a similar like styles that that we like it's funny like when you hit up grip like what what was in your Head like as far as like the band you wanted how you wanted the band of sound This dude's fucking stupid I had no idea I had no idea I mean, to be honest, I didn't really even know about Slipknot or anything. I knew that they were from Iowa, but I hadn't even, like, heard a song.

So I literally was just like, this kid can sing. Let's do something. Like, just do anything. You know, like, Iowa's not a super big music scene. So I was like, this kid's cool. Let's just try something. There was no, like, end goal even in mind at that point. Really?

And then it just, like, naturally all formed. Yeah. So it sounds like you just wanted to be in a band. And you want to. Yeah, yeah. And do you have it in your head? Like, out of the gates, like, okay, I want to take this somewhere? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, I would always watch, like, music videos of, like, bands playing stadiums and shit. And I'd be like, that's the end goal. That'll do it. That is the end goal that we're going for. Like, but it was just find my guys. Mm-hmm. And, like, not find my guys, but, like, what can I do to make this happen?

And I found Griff, and then we found Simon, and then all of us are just here. And then it was all downhill from there. Yeah. And then you're just working towards a sore back constantly. Oh, oh, yes. In like two, yeah. I feel like we're 80 in two years. Hey, Griff, what did you think about Cole when your first met at month?

Because he, so you were coming at that time, you were coming in a frame of mind of bike. You already heard metal. I honestly don't even remember. I think all I remember was, hell yeah, let's do this. I was like, yeah, let's do this. And after that, it was just. trying to figure out, like, what type of band was, like, what it was going to be, like, what sound I wanted to generate. I didn't even know how to write music, so I was just like, all right, now I got to figure out how to write music.

And it ended up just over time, like, slightly just, like, it was just a learning thing. I was just like, I don't know what the hell I'm doing. and then we like Simon then came in and then he helped me like start actually writing music and I then started like oh okay this is how I do it like okay this is where like the direction

that I'm trying to take this this is like the sound that like we are generating currently because like we always we in general found our sound our sound by just jamming so yeah Wow. Just like just freestyle jamming.

I kind of feel bad because I feel like I forced something on everybody with just more like he was so different with vocals and like he just wanted to sing, right? And then like he just wanted to play. And I was just like, like his genre and I was like, all right. No. I was like Griffin, you're screaming. And he's like, you motherfucker.

And I was just like, we're doing it this way. Kind of like it was like I feel kind of bad because like we did it where it was like like what Cole said we melded but it was like I don't know I kind of was like I don't want to beat this I want to be this yeah I kind of forced it in a way but I couldn't ever see like a world where Vendette is classic rock yeah no I can never see it at that but what was the first song we jammed it was like audio slave yeah don't tell me how to live or tell me how to live yeah from audio slave and then he wanted he wanted to do war page and I said no no no I think the song that I wanted to do was Green Day is Green Day is Green Day I remember oh yeah but he also like the first ever day we picked all sweet

us three picked a song that we wanted to do and I said the audio say song and you wanted to do fuck I think you just you picked I don't remember what I remember but it was something and then you picked four pigs and Cole and I were like fuck no and then you then you picked devil and I because I remember that. Oh yeah. I remember that very, very vividly. I remember wanting to do Freak of the Week by Freak Kitchen. You did want to do Green Day, but it was like, you also were like, nah, let's do, no,

you said war pigs, and then you said Green Day, and then I just said, we still said no. And I was like, you were like, all right, I don't just go for yourself. You like, you, God damn it, you guys. And I'm just like, yep. I remember being in that group chat. You weren't there at the time. I mean, I was there when we were like trying to figure out like songs to like practice or whatever just to figure out how to like be a band or whatever. And Griffin's like, yeah, let's do Bass Case.

And you all were like, no. No. And I love Green Day too. I was like, I'll do it. It sounds like Simon you really helped bring some sound out. Whatever sound was trying to come out. I don't take any credit. I know.

I'm doing, I'm kind of told a story. Yeah, but yeah, I told you. I feel you. Whereas, yeah, you just, you have like, it's funny how you know what you want to do, but you don't know what you want to do at the same time. Well, I mean, I lived, just living with my dad really just put this weird, like, effect on me. It was just, like, a lot of late night random talks. Like, I'd be playing, like, video games upstairs, getting ready for school or something,

and he, like, call me downstairs, and it would just be, like, it'd just be a quick, like, you good into, like, a 45-minute YouTube. search of just random shit of just like drummers and like I remember when he first showed me Travis Barker and he's oh wow he told me like the full story of him and all this shit and I was like yeah that's sick like he's just this dude's like a legend now because he's like survived this whole fucking thing and he continues to play and stuff and like it went from like that to like also john bottom and seeing all videos of him and all that shit I was just like that's where I'm mainly got like the

music like look was kind of just from him of being like you gotta say your mind on one thing it's not your inspirations you gotta he's like you just gotta take all the shit that you like out of your head

and just make something into one because if you do inspirations he's just like it's just not gonna work out very well you gotta just make your own genre I was like all right that's what I kind of did I was just like fuck fuck being inspired by like

you know slash like you know it's cool but it's like sorry cool sorry sorry or like you know like let's say Griffin was like I love Green Day so we should like I'll sing like him you know like he's like I love slash I'm like I love Travis Barker or whatever and it's like let's make it that I'm like no it's just it's bigger than just let's just write on how we feel instead of taking inspiration you know that's how I kind of looked at it in my opinion yeah I'm on and Simon like you've been playing drums since you're like one like in diapers In diapers. In diapers.

There's a video of it, and it's not going to come out for a while. Yeah, we can give it the right time. It's in the vault right now. I saw it the other day, but I was like, this is. A lot of people don't believe me, but I still, I was like, I can't wait until people see this video. Like, I'm just can't even touch the fucking floor. I'm like, my legs are hanging off the drum seat. I'm holding my dad's big ass sticks.

I'm one years old. He's like, you were playing when you couldn't even walk. And I was just like, that's pretty sick. Damn, you couldn't even walk it, and you're fucking doing dope vocal bass when you're six months old, dude? Holy shit. I would try to, like,

I would try to reach to the bass drum. Yeah, but you couldn't do it. Couldn't do it. So that was like a mind block for me growing up. Wow. So my hands kind of got, like, an advantage while growing up. It's like my feet were like the last things to kind of work. Hardest part too, huh?

Yeah. Try to get the fucking kicks going. Yep. But that was the first thing I started doing was double base. I didn't do anything else. I didn't do any like easy 4-4 shit. I just was like instant double bass, just grinding that out.

I just remember one day, like, because I learned how to play songs. I didn't like just practice, like other drummers do. They just do rude events and shit. I just was like, I'm going to practice Slip-None songs because that's all I wanted to do

because it was like a challenge. And I was like, every song is completely different in its own world. So I was like, this will just make me think. And then I remember one day I played skeptic for my dad. And he came upstairs midway through.

And he was like, what the living fuck was that? And he's like, that was you. And he goes, holy shit. Like, he's so astonished. He's like, that double bass was absolutely insane. He stayed perfect that whole song. And he was listening. I was like, fuck, he listens to me all day.

I'm like, it stressed me out because I'm like, now he's watching. And like, it was just, that's just how it was in my house growing up. How old are you when you started hearing music like that heavy? Really young. Because every day before school, he'd play music for me, like a new genre. Like, it'd be jazz one day to Scrillix and like... Jesus.

So it's like, every day for school, it was a new day of music. So I was like, I was hearing it a lot when I was just... Just filling my brain with just different shit. And... Holy shit. Yeah, it was weird. It was just... But he did it the right way, I feel like,

because I think he exposed me to so much, then I got to decide what I liked to know. Instead of, like, being forced to like what he likes. It was like, okay, I still have... the Skrillix album in my iTunes that he showed me and I was like damn I remember listening that when I went to first grade first grade your Skrillix yeah oh my god holy and Scrillus is heavy dude yeah yeah he showed me the the doors when they clapped the doors and him you know that song no yeah so two members from the doors it was the keyboardist and the guitar player i'm pretty

sure yeah they like came to the studio with sunny and they wrote a song called breaking the sweat it and it's just it's a meld of just dubstep and actual real instruments mix into one the instruments sound like it's electronic but it's not and i just remember listening that before going to my first day of school at first grade and i was just like what the hell is going on you know i was like this is crazy damn that's insane cool i i know that you first heard metal from from griff so grip how old are you we started listening to heavy shit as like i have no idea i know that when i was uh in elementary school, I was listening to Metallica

and Green Day. And like my dad would drive me to school and then play all of that on in the car. And then I'd get out of it. And then I'd get into school and then like during lunch I'd start. Thank you.

I got to just I got to just start grabbing it now. but yeah like I'd get to lunch and then I'd just start like vaguely repeating the words that I was hearing and just not getting them right because like at the time I didn't understand English so I was just like I don't know what they're saying

and uh sorry yeah don't look at me when I got into like the heavier stuff I think it was around middle school when I started getting into the heavier stuff, but I can't pinpoint where it started. I just know that it was like when I started like getting older,

older is that when like certain bands like started getting introduced to me via like YouTube or like whatever I could find. And yeah. That's dope. So I so you guys are building like the sound. So when did you come in, J.J.J. and then eventually Connor. So basically all the guys had basically like, you know,

kind of like a main three parts of the band. And they posted a thing on Instagram saying they needed a bass player. And originally I was actually like a guitar player. But I did buy a bass like halfway through me playing guitar because I just got like slightly bored of it and I wanted to like change it, you know. But yeah, I, uh, I DM them and they let me come try out and I showed up with a like a Fender Mustang guitar. And it sounded like terrible

And I honestly don't even remember what songs you played at this point I know exactly I know what songs you play You played sober by tool And toxicity by System of a Down Yeah I remember that I remember that And we thought it was so fucking badass I don't know why It was funny too because like I was so demanding on my

Instagram like acting like a big shot like We need a bass player you need to have gear You need to be this old You need your car's like And then like he was the only one that hit me up and then Cole and I were like said and I remember being in eighth grade I remember this vividly like he was like it was getting close to eighth grade and he he colon was text to me and he was like I don't know man should we do this and I was just like he's like you think this is the right movie's like should we wait it was just like this back and forth like should we do this or not kind of thing and then we just had him over and it was just clicked you know it clicked musically and uh I assume also friendship wise too huh yeah yeah This whole thing is way more of a friendship than it is. You need to tell the story of how you showed up to my house.

So first, hold on. I'll say this part. I told him, like, I think he kind of knew he shouldn't wear subnot merge. And I said, like, personally, like, he knows. He obviously followed my Instagram before because he knows me. And I was like, everybody knows it's like I find it kind of uncomfortable sometimes when people are just like, oh, he's in my message. It's like, something about this, something like that.

So he's like, okay. He's like, okay, I'll just be like, you know, pretty chill about it and then he shows up to my house and fucking asshole. So what shit were weird? I I wore like a Nike hoodie or whatever. I remember it so vividly. He opened the

door. This dude was wearing a slip-knought shirt. He was, yeah. And I was like, okay, I get it. I was like, I fucked with his head so hard. I said, don't wear anything like that. And I show up in a day of the gusano, Slip-Nodd shirt.

And I'm like, what's up? And he looks down at my shirt and he's just like, I could just tell it and he's like, you piece of shit. I was like so confused or it was like alone away or like I mean I was like 15 or 14 on time. Yeah. So like I don't know.

My brain like couldn't like comprehend like you know, I don't know. I was just young. It's like the time where you open the door and my dad opened it and you were like another funny thing is so his dad was always at the house from a practicing. So I was in the band for like a month and I never saw him. And then one day he just opened the door and he's like, what's up?

And I'm like, hey. Like, how are you? He's a mysterious person. If he's listening to this, he just disappears. He's known for that where you just see him one moment. He's like, what's up, guys? And then you turn around and you turn right back around. He's gone.

Yeah. And it's just like, he's just known for just being away. Like, just like, I don't know, talk to you. Batman shit. Yeah, that's Batman shit. That's cool. And Connor, how did you want to Ben? It's a pretty similar story.

I had followed him on Instagram, like, two weeks before and then he posted that they needed guitar players and that they needed all this gear and shit and then you need the main gear yeah it's because we asked a couple other people before him

and they showed up in this like they just they showed up a shit that was like it would have worked but it was like hard but at this point we were a band for like a year and we had like you know like four 10 yeah the thing about this was like we had already been a band for like two years so

I had worked my way up to a full stack. JJ had worked his way up to a full base rig and now bringing in Simon had a full eight piece kid. I already was endorsed by SJC so bringing God on we were like we were like we're at this level we want somebody to match our level

but we don't want to be like dicks about it but it's like we're rocking full stacks and full rigs baptized by fire you can't come with a line six and then like you know how was a line six going to match up with the full stack and not get out blown? So I showed up with my line six.

I showed up with my line six. I showed up with my line six. And then I left going, man, if I get this, it's because they like me. Like, I'm going to get fucking lucky if I get this. He said one thing that just made me laugh. Oh, yeah. They were like, so what do you do with most of your free time? And I was like, I'm going to be honest.

It's pretty much just playing guitar and jacking now. And then like, I remember Cole and I did the same thing because Cole is like, I don't know if we need another guitar player. I was just looking at him, I'm like, yes, we need another fucking guitar player. It's like, you know how awkward it is a C4 piece band? Like, it's not awkward, it's pretty badass sometimes, but it's like... You got to really pull it off to make it work. Generally, like, yeah, if you have, like, you can hear it, you know, you can hear

like they have a different riff behind the guitar solo, and then when you play live, you hear the guitar cell, no main riff, so it doesn't sound full. It's like, certain bands pull that off, and it's like, I was like, no. Yeah, we're not... I don't have that much faith that we're going to pull that off, so we need another person and honestly I don't mind having another person you know another homie in the group exactly yeah I'm pretty happy about it he's not complaining so you must have really pulled it off and you showed up with a line six yeah it was so funny but within like two

months I did I got like a Bukera head and cab and great figured that out it's funny because we jammed and I couldn't hear shit yeah no one could hear shit but we're like it's going yeah it's work and then we had we we finally were like when he's in the band we had him come like this was the first time he came like twice yeah and then he was in the band but then he came like three or four times yeah oh you need to prove yourself

yeah yeah yeah and the first day like he was actually in the band we're like all right you can learn the songs we have these you know just this random demo songs and this scared the shit out of me because he played we Cole's like all right here's the first riff started doing it it was just the intro riff and

God's like um and he starts playing it and he can't get it for 30 minutes and I'm stressing out I'm like dude I'm like no man like this can't happen

and then he got it and we're like I got the rest of the set in like two days yeah cool just one little fucking spooky moment then we're like we're good I just gets me right shit

that just puts people through a loop you know it's just like what the fuck did you why show up in a a camel corp shirt not every time but a lot of the time Not every time, but a lot of times. It was around the same ballpark.

That's a, I mean, as weird as that sounds, I mean, that does matter. Especially when you're on your band, okay, what are you listening to? Especially when you're a guitar player. It's funny, too, because when he did show up, like, we were on the way to the practice space that we were at. And one of my dad's friends that I've never met before, who's also in a band, who's the drummer. He's in a band called Fault Mine. It's just like a local rock band or whatever And he just is sitting on the bed of this truck

And I'm like, did we get catfish? He's like a 35 year old dude And we're like, is that him? Because he's there and Grod said he was like on his way Like 15 minutes ago Like so we were like thinking like he's there or whatever And he's just waiting and I'm like Cole and I'm like, bro

Do we just get catfish by this dude? And like his mom Cole's mom's like Who the fuck is that? Yeah, like, they're still like 15. They're like, why is this full-grown man here? And then Grod pulls up like five minutes later. And then like, okay.

It was so weird. Live the line six. It's killing it. Oh, yeah. I remember my first interaction with Grod was, my first interaction was with Grod. I think it was via Snapchat. I was like, like, DMing him like,

hey, I can't wait for you to like get in the, like, I can't wait for you to try it. I can't wait to see how it goes And you were like, oh no, yeah I can't wait like to come over, I can't wait to meet All you guys, I'm like, dude, I cannot wait to get inside your asshole. Oh yeah.

I had been watching I had been watching a bunch of game Grumson. He fucking He fucking got the reference and I was just like Oh yeah, this is my friend. I really hope that's a lot to stay in. It is. Okay.

I mean, Grott just said that he enjoyed fucking playing guitar and jazz. backing off what is not allowed yeah especially when it's this kind kind of music you never know yeah no sense of shit no sense of shit uh so at this point what so now so when you're officially a five piece how long was it until your first show um that was like may of 2019 so it would have been one year about one year so we practiced for like two and a half years before we played our first show that's crazy and you you play a first show without even having music out You guys are fucking crazy.

We got lucky. We, yeah. So we basically booked our first show and played it on March 8th of 2020. So like three days after that, everything shut down. And it was like a weird timing thing where we're like, first show, yeah, out the gate. Shut down. Fuck you. No, you're done.

Cancelled. Yeah. And then we got another two years to just figure it out. Yeah. So, yeah, it was an interesting time. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure, like, kind of fuck you guys, like, mentally, you know, because you, like, you've been working so hard towards something,

and then once you get it, like, taken away from you, it's like, fuck, then what do we do know? It definitely set us back a little bit. I mean, there was a year, over a year, between our first show and our second show. Yeah, just because of the pandemic. Yeah. But it gave us a lot of time to, like, actually sit down and hone our crap. But we didn't see each other for so long. long that like the first day we finally like jammed again it was like it was like meeting new people

for the first time like it was so awkward and weird like we haven't seen each other for a year a year no it was like it was pretty long because i wasn't a lot i wasn't allowed to leave my house because my mom was like really bad health problems so i was like not a lot to leave and you know i was just like so like they were like we should practice like this month or something i was like dog i can't leave like it was probably like four solid months of nothing yeah dude i probably did i probably didn't touch a guitar or anything for like six months or something like that. Whoa. But after like this week we jammed for like one or two times and it came back like that.

Yeah. But the first couple were like, whoa, whoa, this is this is new. I don't know. Maybe he came back and we're like, wait, what songs are we planned? Yeah. Yeah. I'll grab back. I'm going to grab a water real quick.

Yeah, sure. I mean, hurry up. Yeah, it comes. It always, it always comes back, you know. But man, six months to almost a year. that will fuck with you guys totally

but it's kind of in a weird way I mean now you obviously you have hindsight to where it kind of helps you in a way

because you were able to really hone in on what on your sound yeah I mean after playing our first show we kind of figured out what playing live was

and then I mean in a way you could look good and bad that situation could have helped us because we spent the next nine 10 months oh here's what it's like playing live let's take another break and hone our skills again

and come back and then our second show was even bigger and even better so we did take that time to like get better playing live and get better just mentally with music so yeah yeah yeah it's like a first show there's no music a pandemic you have time to hone in you actually have music and then your second show we didn't have music for a while we didn't have music for that until September 21 Yeah So we played like another Eight months

No music Just Oh wow Our first tour is when our EP dropped Yeah Just raw rock and roll We just like Pull up to the show

No music out You figure it out See what you get So you guys played Woollies With no music out yet Nope Wow

Yeah It's cool I mean that's the best way You do it I mean we've I think a lot of great bands To the same thing You just go in

Without knowing What the fuck you're doing and there is a magic to that. I don't know what you're doing. You're just kind of, let us figure it out. It's like a magic trick. Yeah.

You know, it's just like, it's like, it's honestly like playing cards, you know? It's just like you either have a good card or you have a bad card. Let's just see what the fuck happens. You know what I mean? And then. Yeah. And we got, I don't know,

we got pretty lucky, I guess. Yeah. I mean, part of our whole thing is just like raw, rock and roll shit. Because we don't use a click. We don't use really in ears. So it's like when we had no music and we're just like, fuck it, let's play show. It's part of that raw, just like we don't, we're just going to go plug in, crank it and go. So like we don't use clicks or in ears or anything like that.

It's kind of just part of our thing. Yeah, I get told from your from your vibe because you recorded an EP with a Grypin. Yes. And for those of you listen and watch, you don't know who Grypin is. He's also from Demos. He plays based in Acacia Strain, which is. Hell yeah. Above heavy band that we would listen to when we were kids.

So that's a, I mean, he knows how to make shit heavy. And didn't you do like nine takes of a song? And that's the fucking take? I just, it's such a blur at this point. We just watched this video about it, or not about it, but like of that recording session. I was just like, I don't even remember saying that or doing that, but okay. But it's like I did like I tried to do a solid like above five takes of each song. Yeah.

But just because I feel like below five, you're not crazy. Like you're not mental yet. And then above five, you start to get a little psycho because you're starting to remember all the parts you have to play. Perfect. You have to hear. You're hearing this every time and you hear your fuckups and you start getting a little fucking nuts. and so it's like, yeah so like dead to me the single we released

that was when I was an absolute fucking psychotic person like he could have locked me up for a minute because I was getting a little crazy because it was like I think I did like 12 takes of that song yeah dude it was like oh definitely over 10 takes that recording process was sick definitely we were all

in the room you know with the headphones recording with like live drums and Chris Collier would just press record and be like okay go yeah with our two newest singles Yeah. You'd be surprised me, bands can't go in the room and play live off the floor. I know.

That is. We can do that definitely because of those two, three years practicing before. That's definitely. Chris Collier was like, all right, we're going to do a click. And I was like, all right, I'll do a click. But after like two tries with a click, let's try it without the click. He goes, all right, I've never done that. We'll try it.

And then he, we did it. And then he goes, it sounds so much better with that to click. So it felt like we were pulling with the click on and he took off the click and then we recorded it with no click and he's like we're not touching that no click no click and they sound just real Yeah and then like because I did over like 10 takes of each song and then it was just a mental battle of just like nope do it again Do it again. It doesn't sound good that same part sounds like shit do it again and it's just like fuck man I'm gonna burn something Yeah yeah and that and that's a really cool room too. I think that place

is called the skeleton key. Yeah, correct? Yeah, that's a really cool room. I don't know if you heard this song for the podcast, but we did it with Chris. Oh, really? Oh, Chris in that room. So that yeah, that drum room is really cool. I turned off the lights, too.

Oh, genius. Do you see? That's the high gone. Smart. I turned out the lights, made it dark as fuck in there. Just kind of play. You're psycho, huh? You are psycho. I made it really hard for them in a way too. I know they can play in dark, but it was like, I wanted them to struggle with me.

Instead of them being perfect and I'm not tired, I was like, I want you to fucking struggle with me. Because if I'm going to struggle, you're going to struggle kind of shit. Because I knew when they track guitars, they can sit down and stuff. And like,

you just stand up. This one, we didn't. Remember we, so. Well, you still got to, you still got to be in the room of being. Yeah. I over here was like, you're going to fucking play with me in the same vibe.

And hot. I turned the AC off too. In that room especially. I turn the AC off, let it cook in there, and it turn off the lights. And I was like, we're doing 10 or 15 takes. I don't fucking care. How long it takes. And they're like, okay.

Dude, that is fucking sick. That is the way it should be. You can't buy raw energy. Yeah, exactly. That's what people can feel. And you can feel it in the song. You can feel the. push and pull natural, just human.

And that's like, yeah, that's all because of this process. I noticed a big jump from, to me, you guys were very advanced. Like a lot of bands first, like, I don't know, demo or EP. Like, it kind of takes time to get like a sound. You guys, your first AP is pretty fucking sick. And then there's even a bigger jump for the single that you did recently with the, with Chris. There is a big jump as far as the sound. and there's like this untangible thing.

You know, what's different about this song? You know, and then the way you guys are talking, how you guys tracked it, it says... When we did guitars too, it was me and Grod tracking at the same time in the same room, both like standing up just like we're playing on stage. Like we didn't sit down and perfect everything.

We just... Yeah. Both, same time, standing up, just rocking out. I've always wanted to do, too, like, my father was, like, telling me, like, old stories and stuff, you know what you should do? You should find your own way of being psychotic in the studio.

And he's like, maybe you should try this when you guys write an album or something. And I was like, okay. He's like, you should just lock yourself in the studio room all night, all day. Just sleep there. And just like in that room, like behind your drums, just sit there. And just go crazy. He's like, just do some Heathletcher shit. And I was just like, he's like, seriously, you'll notice some weird shit when you start playing.

Like a new animal will come out of you. He's like, there was only one. person who's done something like that. And I mean, you could probably guess who that person was with Ross and everything. And he's like, I mean, if you hone it in and you really fight your demons and your battles, I bet you could just write the most sickest album ever because he's like, there's just a difference between going to a hotel every night, having a good bed to sleep on, then honing in your fucking pain and stuff like that.

So I was like, man, I'm going to do that next time. I'm just going to sit behind my kit. You guys are going to show up at like 8 a.m. Like, all right, time to record. I'll be like, I want to fuck. can kill something, you know, like, that's how I want to feel during, like, another recording because it felt kind of, it felt pretty good of being, like, crazy. And then after they were like, drums are done, I was like, oh, I can relax.

Like, you know, pool time. Yeah, pool time. All right, guys, you want to go grab dinner? Okay, cool. Oh, my goodness. Dude, that's fucking sick, Simon. Again, another thing. I wish I heard more stories like that from, from bands.

it's like this kind of people are just afraid to go there yeah you know yeah it's like mentally emotionally like there is a lot of like hell involved with like making a song especially when we wanted the sound I feel like a certain way you kind of want to inject like some psychosis in there like well it's funny because recently I sprained my hand

I didn't talk about this head off so this is the first time I've talked about it but I sprained my hand on the European tour the first ever show for show yeah First show. First show I sprained my hand. And I played with the cast on for the whole tour, pretty much. Jesus, man. Just in a fucking split.

And everyone was like, oh, what? Some fans were, like, posting, like, how is he playing in a cast? And then people were like, is there any news about this? And I was just like, I haven't said anything. Dude, he was playing with three fingers. Like this. Yeah. This is how I was playing.

And I was playing like that. He used to are, like, together all in the cast. And he was playing like this. Dude. But then, like. Our music with that shit. I think I know what kind of caused that. But, like,

Obviously, I know the exact moment of it happening, because I hit my hand like this on the rim, like really hard on a downbeat, just coming down. And I just was like in shock. My hand was like this. Couldn't fucking move. And then, but I remember in the studio recording those songs leading up to that time, I remember, like, hitting my hand or something, this exact hand in the same exact spot. And I was like, maybe I just kind of fucking curse something. You know what I mean? Like I went there, though, because I was like, like you said, you got to go there.

in order to sound like it. And I was like, if you're gonna play really light and not slam or like, have fun with it, you're not gonna hear the mentalness. The emotions. The emotions behind it.

Yeah. And that's what I did. I was like, you know, if Griffin's not gonna be locked in a room, I will be locked in a fucking room. That kind of thing.

You can lock me in a room. I'm probably just gonna fall asleep at some point. It seems like a vampire. Oh, dude, it's, it's bad. I sleep like I'm genuinely dead,

which technically I am. You'll walk into the hotel room and he'll be like this. Farm is crossed. His mouth's open. Doesn't move an inch for hours. You guys are all psychos. And that makes the best music, though. No, Svara, too.

We're all from Iowa. There's nothing out there, nothing to do. So you just kind of got to figure it out, you know. I also just grew up in a crazy family. Yeah. You know, so much shit happened to every day. Haven't we all? But he's like a new thing every day.

I'm like, oh, okay, I should probably leave the house. kind of thing. You know what I mean? Like, that's just how it happened. So it's just like... What's it like being a band from Iowa and, like, growing up around there? Not much. I mean, that's pretty... It's kind of interesting because, like, the Iowa scene is, like...

It's very, very weird, and it's a very, like, small group of people or whatever. And I think, as of right now, it's actually kind of thriving because there's only, like, three bands I can really name that are, like, getting out of there, which is us, Widow 7 and Dose, pretty much, that are all finally like getting out of Iowa but other than that there isn't very much like a crazy scene there it's just a really tight knit people and everybody knows everybody you know

yeah and like the vibe of like Des Moines it's very hometown it's like me and Cole like live closer to the city and it's like they're like in like the suburban type areas or like the the not suburban more like the houses that have been there for like ages. Like their trees are very nice.

It's no one really bothers anybody except for like people out on the street. And it's just, it's just very hometown, just very homely. Yeah. It's pretty, I personally like it, you know. It's cool coming back from like a full tour, chaos, every day, whatever, whatever. And you come back to Iowa and it's just like, It's just quiet.

I honestly couldn't imagine. You go to the grocery store. The guy's like, hey, Cole, you're back. And it's like, yeah, back from all the chaos. And it's just chill. Yeah. I couldn't imagine coming back from a tour, coming to L.A. or something. And just straight up traffic right away.

I'd be like, I'm going to lose my mind, like kind of thing. I want to go get breakfast at a diner, and it's going to take me 50 minutes to get there. Like, not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there is something special about, like, when you're gone for like a month and you kind of, you go to, like, you're driving on your freeway like you're like and then you

start you get off the exit and it's oh there's a feeling and a mental process with that as this that's one of my favorite part is about going going home it's so cool so nice yeah there's something about it all me and then you know like

you get used to shit in your own toilet and you know in your own bed and you take it's it for like granted it's when you come back it's so nice I just lay on the floor for the first 25 minutes when I get home with the dog Just my dog. I just lay on the floor. That first sleep back is like two-day hibernation, bro.

Oh, yeah. It's the best hibernation. Yeah. Yeah, because you're sleeping like shit all the time. You know? And you don't realize it sometimes. Even when like you're just laying there for like eight hours and you wake up, you're still like not good sleep.

You know, it's just not. And it's just, you need like your own, you need to be like, you know, your home for like. I've been like, I've been like bed ridden for weeks and just like didn't get out of my bed unless it was to use the bathroom. And I was just like, I just live here now. And I give, I always gave Mitch shit or like any or Eddie, but like singers do have a bit rough. You guys use your whole body similar to drummers. You kind of have to rock out a little bit harder than us, you know. At least someone, at least someone gets it.

Yeah. You got, I feel like, I feel like it's either, it's either Griffin just doesn't get enough credit or it's either me because they're just, like, we all get enough credit of like we do it equally, but it's just like it's hard to explain sometimes it's like my back is literally fucking crooked. I don't know what you want me to say. I'm like, I'm sore.

I am coughing up blood. Like fucking tired. Everything hurts in my throat in the face. We all work at the same. There'll be some days where I just throw myself out and it's too much. It sucks because that's the

No, it doesn't suck, but that's the only way to do it. It's the only, I don't know any, that's what will separate you from every other band on the fucking planet, dude. Like you have to go there and do that. It has to be all when you have to fucking destroy your body. There's just no other way to do it. I destroy my body when the crowd's not living. Even more so, yeah.

Yeah. Totally, dude. I just get pissed. People sometimes. It creates like a weird, awkward atmosphere. So then you start doing like weirder stuff than you normally do. Nice. And it creates for like a really good performance, I think.

Totally. Yeah, it's kind of funny, like the smaller shows sometimes, like it kind of makes you go harder. Yeah, exactly. Because if you can't do it here, then what makes you think you could do it on the next level? You know, you were always trying to get new fans. But yeah, those smaller shows, there's something about those. Yeah, love those. I was going to tell the story, but I can't wait to play the show tonight.

That's exactly what we're doing that spot. Yeah, small club just Yeah 24 hours, 48 hour notice Mm-hmm I'll just say this Because I'm not gonna tell the full story But because I just don't want

To be like I just know we played at this church Okay And I just know that the crowd was not moving And I'm not gonna say anything else about that day But I just know that we were all pissed off Of just like We went 10 times harder Because nobody's moving

And we're like literally people are like Doing this with their face like Yeah Okay just like, fuck you, just turn, and just like, but then we had to load out up the steepest stairs.

And it was, it was just, I remember getting to the van and being like, my back is broken. I'm miserable. I want to punch a hole through the window. Let's just go. Let's move. Yeah, that's an interesting day. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you got, there's this, you got, you got, you got to go hard. I'm 36 and I still do that.

You see, like, you'll see someone make, like, a face at you, or like, or like, it awakens something and you're like, Fuck you. Yeah. Or the arms cross. Oh my goodness, dude. Yeah.

It's the more of the, it's the more of when Griffin talks and he says something and people are like, yeah, dickhead. Like really? And I just want to get up for him and be like, I'm going to fucking stick this through your skull, bro. Like, I get so mad. Like, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. Like, I'm there.

I'm just trying. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I'm just trying. I do anything. He's over here being cocky, like, you want to hear the heaviest breakdown of all time? I'm like, yes. Some girls, like, looks at her boyfriend, like, really? Oh, yeah.

And I'm like, I don't fucking know. Do something. And then we make it the heaviest breakdown because we just throw ourselves out because we all saw that fucking bitch. We were just like, ah! Yeah, and being heavy as possible, it's not just about the sound.

It's like you put your whole body. Yeah. And I saw that when I saw you guys play. It was dope. Yeah. I've been waiting a long time to see you guys. Like, seriously. Like, that was louder than life?

Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. It's sick. Yeah, I was my first time between you guys, too. I saw a song and a half. It was fucking dope. Hell yeah.

And so many guys were actually on the stage, because I had worked to do, and then they got the hang out and chill. But, yeah, it was fucking sick. That fest was crazy. Yeah, that fest was awesome. I love my first. It was very well organized.

It was fucking fun. Yeah. Yeah, that's where this bat came from. Oh, shit. Hell yeah. Yeah, he took the fucking bat. Listen, I'm the only one who actually played baseball. I had to take the bat.

You're probably the only one who likes baseball in this band. Yeah. This is where being a guitar player will benefit you. They just always take the stuff. I try because, like, I just want to fill my house with a bunch of shit. So, like, we were in Europe and I saw someone hold up a fucking... Hungary. Like, Hungary, like, just a flag.

Oh, sick. Vendat. I was like, I'm taking it. Yeah. I'm like, it's mine. Yeah, just don't like, don't like Cole or Connor see it. Take it, take it like, what? What? I don't know.

I didn't see it. I still have the poster from the second, what we show, from the front window, the big one. My mom was like, hey, that's my son's band. Can you just give me that? I get in the car and she's like, I have it. Why? That's sick.

Anything that I don't have, like, it was stolen from me. Like, a drummer took it or something, like the someone that's kind of yanked it from the counter. Oh my God. It's how it, dude. Fuck it. It's mine now. It's cool.

So what are you like, what are your future plans now? I mean, is there, are you guys talking about like a record or? Oh. I mean, as of right now, we're just really just touring just into the ground, basically, as far as we can go. Great. Just trying, basically just trying to get in front of as many people as we can as right now. we do want to make an album

over and everything but as of right now we're just on tour we're just trying to make it happen you know we've got we've got plans we've got we've got shit that we're cooking up in the pot

in the in the it's grind time right now though I think we spend like five months of this past year on tour and so we're just grinding but I hate that word so much grind I hate it

we're working it's these two who use it the bus You're like, it's a grind, man. It's a grind. I'm like, I'm gonna punch you in the fucking mouth. What would you say? What would you say? I'd just call it fucking work. It's just work for me right now.

I feel like I'm going to a nine to five, okay? This is work. This isn't homecoming. There's no grinding here. No. This is work. Grinned. I'm sure you don't like that word, right?

Grind? No, working. Work? No. See. I don't like work. It makes me think of my job and stuff. But this is work also.

It is work, yeah. If I think of it. about this like my job, it makes me feel good because hey, this is my job. Yeah. Yeah, honestly, when I'm out here on the road, like, it's like work, but it's like I actually enjoy it. You know what I mean? So it doesn't

feel like work. Yeah. It's like that saying, like if you work a job or something I absolutely love, you won't work a day in your life. And that's how I feel when I'm out here on tour. That's great. It's just part of my life at this point. I just accepted it. It's just consumed me. I'm just like tour. All right. Okay. Let's do it. Yeah. It's part of it. part of my life.

It becomes a part of you, you know? How did you get your nickname? Grodd? Yeah. So my last name is Grodzickey. And in middle school, people just started calling me Grodd because it fit a lot better than Connor. Because it fit more, you know, I had hair down to my elbows and a beard like this in ninth grade. So they were just like fucking Neanderthal.

Rod. Yeah. Guitar players are just naturally this girl facial hair. Yeah. crazy. Marcus, like, like that tweet, had a fucking period

who was like 16. It was like, how did you grow? I, my, Garza cannot grow this. No one has it in my fucking family.

I'm trying to grow something, but it's not working, dude. Just accepted it, you know? I mean, you're getting farther than everyone else

in your family, though, so. Yeah? If no one else can grow that, you're doing good. Yeah. Well,

a lot of other garzas they'll, they'll, like, grow this longer, so it covers the EAP Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of that

going on. I'll probably be there at some point, you know. Well, do you, I really appreciate you guys being here, man. I'm glad I. Appreciate it. Oh, yeah. I'm glad you guys all came out here. Who was I talking to you via text?

Me. No, it was one of your... Oh, our manager, I think. Probably. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was great. He's a man. Yeah.

You'll be surprised how many people try to force the... You zoom on me or like oh hell no in person bro yeah we got it it's like you it's like writing a song You guys it we're not when I when I listen to your guys's music and now I finally got to know you guys in person It's like it really explains why the music is the way like the way it is now yeah you know it's cool You got you guys play in in a room together you you hash it out you're willing to suck you know That's our whole writing process just jamming yeah we don't like sit down and Pre-chorus chorus, chorus, do-da-da-da-da. We're just like three-hour jam session.

If there's one riff that comes out of it, cool. Dude, that's crazy. Like we just plug it in a jam and then it's like, here's a riff, here's a riff, here's a riff, let's branch off of that. Sometimes we also just like... Sometimes it sucks. It's so bad sometimes because we'll be like, all right, today we're writing, and that's the problem. Because we're thinking of writing, so we're like, okay, we have to write a song. And then we'll go...

Well, there's just one part of writing that just pisses me off when someone is goes, Man, I'm not feeling it. And I'm just like after six... After six hours of writing, I'll look at either of them. I'll be like... Sometimes you have those days. It's the funniest thing. It's the funniest thing when someone in the band, like,

when someone in the band, like, get something wrong or, like, mishear something. And then... It was one day when Simon, like, was arguing with Cole. And he was, like, trying to explain what he was doing on the drums. And he just goes two two four two Oh yeah I was trying to explain the song structure and I was like two two Because he wasn't comprehending on how I was doing it because I showed him more I was like he's like how do you do this

I'm like motherfucker we've been playing this song for three fucking months this is how we do it and he's like all right Explain better two two two four and he's like oh it's that fucking simple I got it and he's like you know like no music theory like at all. It was just... Yeah. It was so... It was a whole fucking loop of just like... Oh my God.

Oh my goodness. Dude, that's one of my favorite parts about being in like a room like... Because we were the same way. It's like a... I guess you could say free flow. You're just writing garbage. Someone's...we're playing stuff and then someone... Something will kind of come out. Either a bass part or a drum part or like a rip will kind of come out of that.

And then that... I love that creative tension. Yeah. That's like... Oh, I love it. I do like personally enjoy it too In the moment it sucks But then like the day later I'm like Wow that was awesome

There's also this period during writing where it's like We just stop writing and then we just start fucking around Not even like playing together It's just like all of a sudden we'll be like You start shooting an airsoft gun up at the ceiling Like three hours in nothing's coming out You're just starts drifting Coal will finally just like we'll be playing something we have

And Cole just turn away and start doodling and then like Grable just guitar off and I just start just yep but when it happens it's like magic we've like half of our songs we've written in like 20 30 minutes it just comes and we're like

riff riff riff riff riff but when it's not coming it's not coming like one song assigned was written in probably like 20 minutes I guess word to God yeah you think of it as in 20 minutes I don't recall it that way and I have a very good memory

with that song because that song was a motherfucker bitch. That song took like a full day. I remember. It was a start to finish of straight up fucking hell because we're all like, how are you going to implement the fucking rim shots? And then how are we going to implement the bass? Oh, how many are you playing at bass? Wait, you're playing a different riff than the, like, what the fuck are you doing? And then it's like, all right. That song's very weird. You could tell it because there's like little intricacies in like timing or like the guitar riff. So like when I play that bass part solo, by myself, I play like this

weird, like, dead it. Like, I can't explain it. It's in, like, a different, like, time signature or, like, whatever. Or, like, a rhythm. Because the straight, like, chorus is, like, straight tremolo, but then when I play it by myself, it's in, like, a rhythm. I don't know. It just kind of shows all, like,

we know no music theory at all. And, like, if it sounds good, it sounds good. I wrote, uh, the lyrics to asylum during a full school day. And I think it took me I don't know if it was like two or three classes or just an entire school day just to like finish the song

and then I took it home and I was like how's this? And they're like oh something's work, something's gonna be changed. And then we ended up like finally getting it like down perfectly. And then I think during, uh, no, no way.

I think it stayed the same even when we recorded it like, uh, for the EP. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's so weird how like I don't know if you agree with this like you never fully Understand a song until like the lyrics are on it and then you go out on tour and a month in when you're like playing it

And then you like fully kind of understand what it's about you know what I mean? Of course yeah Sometimes you could have like a so-and-so song then the vocals go on it or oh shit Yeah, it's a fucking song now wow I still get blown putting away like parts I didn't like before then like a year later. I love that part yeah exactly It's funny you guys always bring up, which is, I think it's so important. Like he's like, you know, I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know what I'm doing it.

I feel the same way, you know, and I find like the more I'm like that, the more like the song can come out. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's really hard, like, keeping that, like, innocent thing. You know, like, you know, I don't know what I'm doing, but we're just doing. Yeah, exactly. It's cool. And one thing I also like about you guys is, uh, which I like,

going and seeing like song credits of singles or albums or a EP so I went for every song of you guys and it's like you see the song credits and it's all you guys that's fucking sick yeah it sounds like you guys all put in like like the same amount you guys are all in the scene room yeah it's extremely collaborative yeah yeah with all of us yeah whether like someone will where you're like cole and simon like a lot of times like cole and simon will like bring it apart but then they'll bring it to us and then we'll like mold it yeah or whatever but you're you're like Usually once we have like a full song, like kind of done like instrumentally, we'll put it on like a computer or whatever recording software.

So we can have like a better understanding because like where we practice, like you can't like hear like shit. You can't like hear like anything at all pretty much. Yeah. And so like it has a whole different meeting when it's put on to this like demo. And it's like it's weird. It's like finding an adventure within like an own song and trying to go through like its meaning or whatever you want to call it.

yeah well it's it's fucking awesome you we we do the same thing everyone gets equal credit you know know and uh something i i didn't predict real quick and then um you know when when you're going through a low everyone's kind of stays together yeah it's like this weird like unspoken like brotherhood like you're all in the same band together like the same playing together you know just like there's like this camaraderie and uh other bands back in a day we'll kind of separate that yeah i think it's more about us it's about like the friendship the brotherhood shit than the music like we yeah do a lot more than just music together like we hang out do all that it's not like meet at the band practice business to go home it's like you guys want to hang out you want to go get food we all go fishing

together go fishing so it's like it's cool it is like a little family it is and like in the long run is five percent more credit going to really make a difference like yeah we nickling diming all the credits versus just like we all work we all work together it's all one project you know yeah so and do do you view it this way uh i learned this recently is like whenever you you don't think about it this way it is like you you're naturally friends you're i mean your family you know you have you have each other but you're out there fishing with each other and then you're hanging out at it at the show you're at uh you're at burger king or something and like that's a part of the writing process I learned.

Yeah. And like when it's so you have like this deep, deep fucking chemistry, dude. And that's from being real friends. And when you hang out all the time, then you're actually getting in the room. It's like it kind of, it takes you to that next level. Yeah. It's not awkward or anything. It's just like, we're boys.

We're the, it's the boys. Yeah. When you're shooting like aerosoph guns, you know, it's like, I mean, boxing each other. Oh, yeah. MMA fighting each other. Yeah. That's a part of it. It's something else I learned when, you know, I got older.

like the more like you're kind of laughing throughout the day with each other there's something intangible about those riffs and songs you know they kind of last a test of time you know and it's cool to see

you guys naturally have that that friendship because that's actually I think harder one of the hardest thing is keeping that friendship especially when we're out there walking in such a closed environment holy shit look at what you did you old jerk my anxiety went

My body just was shot My heart went And I was like, he's gonna punch me No, you guys are ready for For the tour that technically starts today Yeah, technically yes But uh, let's hope tomorrow Ace of Spades it officially starts

Ginger, I know there's a lot of issues with This interest in general like visas and Whose idea was it to come out here on the 27th? I want to fucking punch them He fucking got here just fine I'm over here like, we left the 27th and our first show is literally today. I'm like, are you

fucking kidding me? Like, I think we would have been chill with one day off, honestly. I go insane after three days off of like doing nothing. So it's like... Oh yeah. When you're driving, it kind of sucks. I mean, we got it in two days. We drove through Colorado and we stayed

there and then we drove the rest of the way. It's chill. Like I knew we were going to do that. I was like, why aren't we leaving the 27th, bro? This makes no sense. better earlier than never yeah he's gonna have to make it up yeah better earlier than never fucking I flew okay

karma JJ it's gonna come back around I flew better early than never you didn't even say the fucking man shut the fuck oh my goodness well again you guys I appreciate you guys being here

I had a great time hanging out with you I don't know it was a massive fucking honor my man yeah of course it was fun we can't work with people find you. iTunes, everywhere.

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That's it. All right, been dead. Later. Peace.