Garza Podcast - 55: The Sevendust & Joe Rogan Year

Episode Date: December 6, 2022

We are back from tour! Garza & Zack the Kid talk about their Spotify Wrapped 2022 list, what the best birthday gift is & much more! SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB TIME CODES 00:00 - Intro 00:47 - Thanksgiving with After the Burial & Currents 06:09 - Low points = Great memories 09:57 - Garza loves Joe Rogan & Sevendust 18:46 - The McDonald’s secret weapon 20:21 - The birthday stretcher 25:15 - Loathe 28:35 - New Metallica 30:15 - Creative conciseness & Polyphia 37:26 - Dealing with anger, self doubt & pushing your limits 47:47 - Pantera in LA

This is actually a birthday podcast. I'm going to turn 37 in two days. Oh, dude. So once this comes out, I will be officially 37. Okay. I want a little lamp with pizza. And I want to be carried out in a stretcher. That's what I want for my birthday.

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Yeah, so they were talking about it. Yeah, so originally, like, very recently, like last year, Amazon was trying to buy this fucking building. Wow. And that's what the people, my neighbors have been saying. I was like, whoa, dude. Like, that would be so fucking tragic. But apparently the deal didn't go through.

Yeah. Thankfully. But that's what Amazon does. They fucking buy shit and they level whatever is there. And then they take over. So this was almost an Amazon building. We wouldn't be here right now. I don't know.

That would suck. This building's fucking sick, too. It is really cool. It's in, like, the perfect spot, too. Yeah. It's probably by this 711 that might be a few homeless people there. So maybe that's why the rent here is somewhat affordable. Right.

It hasn't been gentrified yet. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, Zach, we are back. Cheers, man. Yeah, cheers. Good to see you. Good to see you, man.

I'm drinking this Bud Light Seltzer. Sorry. My brains are pretty much scrambled eggs at this point still from that flight. Your last two brain cells? Oh, yeah, your last fucking... I had three. I probably had one left. It's fine.

I'm going to hold on in fucking this one, dude. It's just the hamster. wheel in your head like yeah yeah pretty much dude those long flies can't be good for you yeah fucking especially flying from europe right 12 hour flight those can't be good for for your body do you do you ever get like a layover on those or is it usually just all the way sometimes if it's like a good a good one you don't get a layover but this one we we had a layover yeah it was it was out there though so wasn't too bad but man it just fucking adds years to your brain. It's weird. I was thinking about this the other day. It is kind of weird how you're not

doing much in a flight. You're literally sitting still. But for some reason, that's what makes it stressful is that you're just in one spot for so long. Oh, yeah. It's funny. It was actually in my notes. I want to talk about airplanes later on the podcast, but since we're already going on it. And man, it brings out a different side of people. Yeah. It's funny. Like, it's like this rudeness comes out. Yeah. And I'm just, if someone's sitting by, you or like, man, there's like this rude energy just comes down nowhere. It's fucking funny.

It's like driving, but amplified like times 10. Yeah, yeah. You're in the air and people are afraid of dying. Yeah. You know, it's like, oh my goodness, dude, this fucking, this plan's going up and down and I don't know this person at all.

It's just, when you get turbulence, oh my God. Oh, yeah, man. I think about my life a lot when it's like, oh, okay, here we go. Yeah, especially when it does like that little dip. that's the worst dude it's like okay

this is it it's the worst man so yeah we just got back um obviously you took a week off because of the holidays landscaping

what you do for Thanksgiving um I went to my dad's house and uh just made some dinner nice I'm usually like the cook of the household so really I handed all the food

that's sick yeah it was fun right on um I have McDonald's so there's that Hey man, you know what? I'm sure that was a reward for yourself. You're like, you know what?

I don't feel like cooking. I'm just going to like, you know, get some, what did you order? I usually order something else, but just because it was Thanksgiving. And the whole, most of the bands were actually, we went to this one McDonald's right by the venue. Yeah. Some currents, some people from after the burial. Oh, cool. But we just walked to the local.

It's kind of like a joke, you know, I was Thanksgiving. Like, let's go to McDonald's. Let's go to McDonald's, have a Thanksgiving meal. Yeah. And over there, they have spicy nuggets. Wow. I was like, oh, you know what? It's Thanksgiving.

Try something new. Yeah. And those, they were really good. Had a fucking, probably 15 nuggets. Nice. You know. They're really good spicy nuggets. Did they give you, like, a special dipping sauce or anything?

I just went straight barbecue. Just classic. Nice. You know, but man, it was. It was good. My dad, this is Thanksgiving and we're, when we're at McDonald's. But you're in Europe, so it's like,

yeah. I think being on tour is the treat. It is, kind of, yeah. It's like part of it. You know, and it's Thanksgiving, you know, like, depending on what you believe in. This is, you know, it's just another day. Just another day.

But it is cool that you, you know, you're with, like, you know, your fellow bandmates and, like, the other bands on the tour. Yep. So that's your band family for, like that month, you know what you mean? Totally.

It's definitely a family, and this was a, what makes stuff like that really difficult is you're already in a different time zone. Right. And your rhythm is just off. And then you're sharing a bus for two other bands. So it's three bands and one. On one bus. So you're already kind of crammed.

But yeah, I mean, you all, like you become a family. Right. It's a little family, you know. it's like fuck it we're working at McDonald's it's fucking sick it's cool man I think those little experiences as you know

as small and minute they might seem at the moment those are like the random things that you think about you know 10 15 years down the line they are just like oh remember when I went you know with Currence and after the burial to McDonald's like on Thanksgiving

yeah that's pretty sick man it is it's really cool it's funny I was having a conversation about this recently on that run it's where we can look back in your life and any moment in your life tend to look back on the low ones the low ones or the upbecoming ones

that you're learning something but in a, I'm not saying in a bad way but in a good way because those ones are the ones that make you who you are. It's those moments. They like build character, right? That's what builds your character. It could be a breakup. It could be building your business

or you're trying to pay off a debt. You're trying to just do something you're fucking stressed out you're just going for it and those are moments you tend to think about more often yeah those those memories it's weird that you get older and those are the ones i personally cherish you know those like shitty times like damn those the ones i think about the most and really like the person that i am yeah i like to think about those and then followed immediately after by how i got out of that situation and then it goes from like oh that was kind of sad to like oh now I'm motivated because I got out of it and I just reminded myself

yep of like like wow okay I did that so I can kind of accomplish anything if I could do that you know what I mean yeah yeah that's a great way of view it's funny how like you kind of forget like what you've been through sometimes so oh shit I mean I like like you were saying I've been through that and I got through it you know I could get through this yeah as well it's funny how like your fucking brain works, you know. Yeah, we kind of forget how resilient we are. We are very. And I try to remind myself of that

whenever I'm in like a similar situation. Yeah. I'm like, wait, hold on. I've done this before. I got this. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, it's got to keep going. You know? Yeah, man. I definitely want to be here in my career. Everybody didn't go through those lows

and you get through those hard times. You figure out who you really are. You build your character. Yeah. Look back at that. And I remember like we were doing that. We were fucking broke. Like what, man, how do we get through that? Yeah. It's cool.

Yeah, no, growing up that way too, it's like super motivational to just being in a better place, you know, than where you were before. It's like, man, never want to be in that realm of my life again. So I'm just super appreciative to be where I'm at now. You know what I mean? Totally. And it's super important that whatever you went through, learn from it. You got to learn. Yeah.

It fucking piss me off when someone would say something. Like, man, you didn't learn from that? Yeah. Like, damn, dude, like, I call them hard won lessons. I mean, you like, you won that lesson. You know, like, so just, they're just fucking, it's a win. It is a win. It's like, you know, you went through a lot.

And then you win a lesson. It's a hard one lesson. Fucking learn from it, man. Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. And it's valuable. because some people don't get really that second chance.

Some people, unfortunately, you know, this life, like, some people have a bad experience that just keeps spiraling and they never can, like, get out of it. So to me, it's just, I'm just appreciative to have been in a situation where, like, I've had a hard experience, but then also had the opportunity to grow from it. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think that's so valuable. Totally.

And now we're here. Now we're here, man. You know what? I've seen a lot. everyone's like Spotify wrapped. Mm-hmm. Like the, uh, you get to see the,

like the music you listen to, the band you listen to you, if you listen to podcasts, it shows you like your favorite podcasts. Mm-hmm. And it's been, it's been really cool to see. Apparently I listen to Seven Dust a lot. It's a great band.

They were, they're number one, Seven Dust, shout out. Shout out Seven Dust, man. Did you, did you look at yours? Yeah, I did. I got my, I posted my RAPT on my page. Did you? Yeah, what was on it? Okay, so I think, let me see if I remember

all the top fives. I did it by, I didn't do all time, I did the last, I think it's four months. And it was Bones, Provoker, deaf tones, who were the last two?

You know, I'm blanking on the last two. But yeah, so the top three, yeah, Bones, Provoker, deaf tones. I think Turnstile might have been fifth, but I can't remember. But it was just like the stuff that I've been listening to the last four months. And I have a tendency to get obsessed with artists for like a certain amount of time to where like I'll release. I'll listen to the same album like over and over. Yeah.

For like at least a month. So basically you like date records. Yeah. And then I'll. And then I'll come back to them again, you know. But when I first. get into it especially like I'm still the kind of person where like I like I like finding new bands and when I do I'll like I'll play them over and over that's sick yeah

did it give you any favorite podcasts um so I actually use YouTube for most of my podcast oh got it so it didn't even give me that data got it you know like I have watched a couple of Joe Rogan um podcasts on on Spotify but I think probably less than 10 so it probably didn't even give me enough data to have a top five yeah do you have a top five and podcasts um yeah i could probably go like at least top three off the top of my head um but i love your mom's house shout out tom sagura you're sick it's like i'm a big comedy fan so and i like i like their sarcastic sense of humor so that one um and then uh this last weekend but Theo Vaughn.

Yeah. Probably my favorite comedian of all time. You know, Joe Rogan, I just got to throw that out there just because I love the guess he has on no matter what. Like, I like that he, you know, he has guests of all different walks of life. So that would probably be my top three. I don't know if I could do a top five. Those, those are great.

Yeah. How about you? As far as music, it's a lot of seven dust. Mm-hmm. Um Who else is on there? Metallica Nice

Um Podcast was Rogan was top Fighter and the kid's second Which surprised me Mm-hmm But then I realized Like the

Rogan has more volume Yes Because my favorite podcast Is fighter than a kid But I realized Oh what Joe Rogan's podcast Are 3 hours long

And his Trout's fucking Four or a week And you're just Naturally Listening to more More more of him

Um, the O'Von actually was number three. Yeah, that's great. He's a great host. It's just funny how he can just talk, like, on his own. That's a gift, dude. He might be the only guy that could do that. Yeah, that's a fucking gift, dude. And he's so creative and so unique in what he's saying.

I think it's his vocabulary. The words that he chooses are just interesting. Totally. You know. And for anyone that's been tagging us, and you're wrapped like your like the podcast stuff I'll be honest like I kind of need it sometimes you need like a boost in your life you're just in this fucking rut yeah and to be honest I've been in the rut the past month right with the band stuff and just personal

issues that I'm I'm I'm dealing with you just need a little boost as we're talking about earlier like you just forget where you came from or you even forget what you're doing yeah it's like oh man Look like like like look like look like look like what you did man. Holy shit. You're doing you doing a good job. But your brain just won't let you see it on it. You just won't.

It's so weird. Your brain can be stubborn, right? It can like hold on to certain ideas even if it's not true. Yeah. It's like, oh man. Like I'm fucking not doing a good job. Failing. I'm shot.

And then you're killing it, you know? Like. Yeah. Then people were tagging me on their rap and to be. I'm not saying I'm going to compare myself to any means to him. But to be like, you know, you see like a top five or top tool and like you're yeah you're right under or above rogan you're like right well that's fucking nuts dude and i mean considering how long you know this podcast has been around i think it's

pretty incredible that it's even being recognized in that conversation it's pretty nuts and uh i didn't realize how much content we fucking put out like the past year it's pretty insane like you like you know uh so you have like people were tagging me but then you guys see your own so i just I don't ever sign into that, but I did because obviously I want to see the analytics. I was like,

whoa. Like, we're in like the 93% of like music category like putting out the most shit. That's amazing. It was like, I didn't know that.

Wow. But if you add up like, you know, an hour here, hour and a half there, two hours there every week. It adds up. And we do have a lot.

We have a lot of content. You know. I think that helps, you know what I mean? Totally. And all the percentages that's going up, like, as far as for those of either following this or listening to this, I mean, like, it's literally in like, it's, they're all 200% increase, 300%. Yeah. That's like insane. It's incredible.

Shout out to the listeners, man. That's amazing. Yeah, if you're listening to watching and thank you. I didn't, like, I needed to see that because just, you know, sometimes you have loads in your life, you know. I'm not saying I'm sad or anything. I mean, it's just going good. Sometimes you just, you go through the pressures of life. Yeah.

You know, I feel it all the time. You can't really see clearly, you know. To just see that, like the black and white numbers are like, whoa, I didn't even know what the fuck we were doing. That helped me up, man. Yeah. I didn't even know what the hell was going on. Dude, like all the work we put in it, it's cool to just see. Okay.

People are appreciating it. That's awesome. That's so cool. It's so fucking nuts, man. Just in, I mean, yeah, under a year. Yeah. It's fucking crazy. And that's the beauty, too, is, like, how fast people are picking up on it is it was actually shocking to me.

You know, because I've, you know, I've been a podcast fan for a long time. And sometimes, you know, it takes, like, years for traction to really happen. Yeah, on the show. So, I mean, totally. It's awesome that people are so stoked on it. Yeah, it means a lot of special sense for independent, you know. Mm-hmm. There's literally not an amount of money so one can get me.

Like it's just us guys It's literally like I mean I mean it's cross my mind You know But like Should you like You know

Join a website Should you join this agency See you I'm like It just It just doesn't feel right Yeah And it's just something about it

Like It just doesn't like You can't put a price like on it Yeah Because if let's say like someone comes here with some money Mm-hmm It will work her down and I and knowing that deeply I know that that's what happened but oh shit

or fuck it is something would change right something would change I just know I don't know what but something for sure would change yeah you know if you want to see what we're doing you go straight to the YouTube it's us you go straight to Spotify or Apple that's our shit it's not like this and that you know which is fine but I'm like there's something about it that and we're talking earlier about you know being authentic and music you know how can you make this the most this possible right you know there's not there's not price tag to it. And you know, guys, shout out to guys like Rogan and Bill Burry, you know, that inspired

me. Like, the goats have spoken about this. They eat shit for two or three years. Just don't, just don't give away your rights. Just eat shit for a year or three. And you'll be fine. Sure enough, I've been eating at a lot of McDonald's. Yeah.

Literally, dude. And do, okay, shout out to McDonald's because there is, they have something there. that it's so underrated, the triple cheeseburger. Triple cheeseburger. Triple. Is it like a in and out, like triple triple kind of thing? Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, at the value meal,

they have like the cheeseburger for fucking five cents, whatever, or the fucker. You have a double, which is very common, but I just been going triple, and it's a game changer. Fills you up, right? Yeah, it's very filling. So shout out to the triple cheeseburger, man. Holy shit.

Hey man. You know what? McDonald's has gotten many people through hard times and many people through tours and all kinds of things. Dude, totally. Yeah, if you're going to a hard time,

you're fucking trying to see some money for whatever it's going on in your life. Like, dude, that's why we go to McDonald's. Yeah. And so you want to eat like a fucking king or a queen? You can triple cheese bigger. There you go. Treat yourself.

Yeah. And now they have like the, it's crazy how like Beyond Meat has been getting As big as it is, it's in fast food places now. It's fucking nuts, man. Yeah, man, like, as a vegetarian, and I've been doing it since, like, 2010, like, it's so hilarious, like, what I had to eat when I started doing that.

Yeah. You know, it was, like, literally junk food, like, fries, cheese pizza, frozen, whatever vegetarian froze and stuff I could find at Walmart. It's nuts. And now it, like, at the top of every menu is, like, something beyond or something impossible. So it's pretty wild, man. It is wild. I'm already on my second drink. Oh yeah, I fuck up the intro. Um, whoops. Sorry, I had a long fucking flight. Um, this is actually a birthday podcast. I'm going to turn 37 in two days. Oh, dude. It's fucking weird.

Wow. So, uh, once this comes out, uh, I will be officially 37 years old. Dude, well, cheers to that. Cheers, man. Happy birthday, man. Cheers, ladies and gentlemen. If you're listening and watching, Cheers. I'm putting a beer in a coffee mug. It's the only way to do it.

So yeah, it's in celebration. I'm growing out. Issued your beard. Dude, growing it out. Fuck it. Let's just see where it goes. Dude, I've had... Dude, I grow up with, like, very patchy facial hair.

And it's taking a lot of, like, beard oils. and just messing with face, like, face creams and moisturizers and stuff. Just to get it to this. Yeah. Which is still, like, patchy. But, yeah. It's a process, man, for sure. It is.

Yeah, 37 definitely feels weird. I feel like it's time for me to grow up. So I should be like, I should just look like I'm 37. You're like, hold on. Let's just fucking get a heat beard. Let me, let's just do this, you know? Just grow it out, man. Fucking, I'm, I'm ready to look my age.

You know, I'm ready. You're going to look so metal. with a beard. Dude, I'm fucking ready for it. So I'm lucky to have a lovely girlfriend and she asked me what, what do you want? I'm just a simple dude. I like hanging out with friends, pizza, beer, burritos. I mean, so we're going to go to Lampos pizza on Friday.

Oh, nice. And then it hit me, what I really wanted. It hit me. You ready? Yeah. Okay. I told it. I'm ready for this.

Okay. I want a little lampo his pizza. And I want to be carried out in a stretcher. That's what I want for my birthday. So you basically want the kicked out of Appleby's meme to be like real life. I want to be a meme. I wanted to drink so much of that beer that I love so much. 12 pitchers of Bud Light.

I don't want to be even I can't even walk out. I want to be carried out in a stretcher. Right. And she looked at me and like didn't even answer her. I was like,

I was like, what? Like, I finally hear me what I truly wanted. That's the kind of person I am. Me and Saka put the crime. You want to have a good time.

Scared out in a stretcher. I want to be carried out in a stretcher for my birthday. I'm 37. I'm fucking old, dude. Just hit up like an EMT. Like just be ready. I'm going down at some point of the night.

I bet we better roll up to Lampost and I better see EMT already parked. Minimum. It's like an SS show, dude. Pretty much, dude. Pretty much. Did I swear every show I've ever seen you guys at, especially Glass House,

there would always be like EMTs outside the show. I know, dude. That was crazy. Those were the days, man. I mean, yeah, depending what show you go to, it still happens. People could hurt. You have the EMT waiting outside.

They just know. It's like, damn. Probably a case of strain would happen as well. But yeah. It's like a not it's playing a small venue. Yeah, we've got an EMT there. EMT. Multiple.

Maybe two. I mean, just people have it, you know, just means they're having that much of a good time. Yeah. You know. It's funny. Yeah, it still happens, you know? Yeah. The last time I saw, like a really bad knockout was Slay Squad.

Span Slate Squad, you don't know them. Check out Slay Squad. They're fucking sick. Yeah. Um, it's a small venue and like, it's classic when something happens and the lights go on

and the band has to stop playing and someone just knocked out in the middle of a fucking floor. You just hear everyone, wait, wait, hold on. Yeah, man. Let them breathe. The show stopped for like 10 minutes. Oh, man.

And it was like the cousin of, uh, what was it, uh, Brahim or? Yeah, yeah, it was like someone's like, yeah, relative or something.

One of the relatives. Yeah. So fucked. Isn't it, weird how like because i i've like brought friends that are like not part of the scene to the show and you have to kind of explain to them like wait hold on you can't you can you can't go into the crowd during this part yeah you know what i mean you have to like show them the rules of like like how it works totally you know it's funny yeah your family might want to see like why don't go

don't go to the front yeah my parents would always want to be front row and i'm like no they're gonna hit you you're gonna be a punch like don't do that don't don't don't go don't go the front dude yeah you know a band i just started jamming, loathe. Oh, dude, I love them. They're fucking sick, dude. I saw them at the affliction building. Oh, yeah.

Literally, dude, because it was a friend's birthday, I literally flew in, drove in brush out of traffic home. Took a shower, me, and my lady went to see Loathe and celebrate our friend's birthday. Oh, nice. And obviously,

it went to Starbucks first. You got to. Yeah. And they're fucking sick. Those are some very unique riffs. Yeah. No, they're cool, man. I love that whole wave of like shoe gaze,

kind of metal, grunge, whatever you want to call it. There's a couple new bands that are like in that style, and I've been jamming all those bands like non-stop. I've heard you talk about shoegaze. Yeah. Right. Make sure. Yeah.

And obviously, you know, shout out deaf tones because they're realistically the band that put Shugays on the map in like a mainstream level. Yeah. They're probably the main influence for any band that has that kind of sound. Totally, yeah. They had, there was so much going on. And they're from Liverpool. Yeah. From the UK.

Yeah. And got to meet their guitar player, Eric, great guy. he had like these crazy guitars different than like you know that style music you know me and him we're talking a little bit I'm like oh he he knows he knows what's talking about you have a whole pedal board set up yeah he had some crazy I was like just looking at him even like this tired as far as exhausted my brain is scrambled eggs right even then I was still it was still interesting to see like I was looking at him like what is he doing right holy shit what are you doing that's what I call it

two gates because they're looking at their pedals doing something crazy. Yeah, that's funny. That's what the genre goes from. Yeah, low, this fucking sick, man. I can't, I can't wait to see what they fucking do next. Yeah, I think, yeah, what they're doing is, like, incredible. The way they mix melody and heavy together, probably no other band does it in that same way. Yeah, it was, like, this one song was, like, chaotic and, like, low tuning.

Yeah, next one is, like, a little more chill, a little more, like. Melty, you can see my damn, what the fuck is going on? I love that shit. Yeah, they have a track called A Sad Cartoon. Great name. Great name. And it goes from like super heavy to the most beautiful, like, ethereal dream sounding riffs and vocals that I've ever heard. Like, it's incredible.

I don't know. It's crazy. Yeah, they're fucking sick, dude. They were just here. They played the Echoplex. Echo and Chain, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Phenomenal bands. So one new band of checkout. Check out Loth and apparently Zach the kid like Shoe Gaze. So we could all listen to Shoe Gays together, right? Yes, sir. Big fan. Yep. So speaking of new music, we all know that the new Metallica is out.

Pretty sick. Yeah. It's pretty fucking sick, dude. Lux Eternah. Yeah. You know what I love the most about it? Hmm. Their vibe.

like there is just all all all the yellow it's very like damn that's fucking unique it's so cool like the yellow promo picture like the yellow flyers yeah like the yellow cool branding artwork I'm like damn that looks fucking cool it's crazy

you know a lot of metal bands use yellow no simple shit dude that's the hardest thing dude that makes shit simple and effective like you guys did it that is literally the hardest thing to do something simple but tasteful like not basic it has a

style that is so hard to do it is and like it's such like a eye caching color because it's so loud right it's like red yellow and red are similar to me yeah you know it's like damn like you guys did it again yes you guys did it again you guys took a fucking color and it's a boom there it is yellow now you think yellow you think metallica yep oh yeah it's so sick it's funny me and uh and uh and a suicassasas we were like we would talk about that like very like for for a new record and trying to get everyone on board with the whole like color scheme so people didn't get it

but sure enough you know a fucking a band comes out right after that's what fucking that literally pisses to me off about my band is I'll have an idea or bring it up to the guys and it gets kind of like shot down and they see a massive band do it

I'm like you fuck you're like see we could have done that god damn it dude I think ideas I think when you have one, they all kind of go in the air of ideas,

which inspires, I'm trying not to sound woo-woo, but it just, there's something about ideas that, and where people do something similar and they're in the same time, there's something by ideas like they're just, there's out there.

Well, there's definitely like a creative consciousness. Yes. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like, you know, I mean, I'm pretty into like dream science stuff, not to go too deep into that,

but like, you know, it's like when you have a dream. Yeah. Obviously, that thought that has nothing to do with you or your life is coming from somewhere. I don't know where, but where, yeah, right? It's some kind of consciousness that we're all connected to, right? In some way. So it's like that kind of thing. Do you think, like, you're maybe connecting to, like, a wavelength?

Yeah, I think we're, you know, I think we're definitely, um, mentally all connected in a certain way. because we all come from the same substance, the same, whatever. The universe, if you look in, like, the universe is all connected in some kind of way. I'm not a scientist, and I'm not going to try to say how, but there's a reason why there's certain thought processes and things that, like, line up with each other. Like, people that have the same thought about something. Like, you know, like, there's always memes about when you grow up and you did something

this way, it's like, what are the chances that we all did this or that? It's like that kind of thing. Yeah. You know. Yeah, I like the way it put it, creative consciousness. Yeah. So there's something to that. It's like one of those unexplainable things we'll never truly know.

Maybe after we die or something, but there's something. Something weird about it. It's like, dude, like we are all connected in some kind of way, man. You know, especially in the creative world as artists, I definitely think. Because like you said, it's like what are the chances like a color scheme and then another artist does it in a similar way. Maybe you guys just had the same thought at the same time because there was a weird wavelength thing going on.

So weird. Like us and Suzaa saw in St. Polyphia came out with like a similar as fuck record title. Right. And it's like I think that once the idea is out there, like this. So weird. Yeah, it's just so like you can't explain it.

And you don't, you could tell nobody about it. It could be a complete secret. Yeah. There's something about like you, like the thought is out there. Yeah. It's out in the creative consciousness. In the realm. That's what I'm saying.

Like, I wonder if you dream about it. Are you sending that out into some, you know, collective creative consciousness that we're all part of? Yeah. You know that we dream every day, right? Yeah. Yeah. So apparently we just forget all our dreams, but we all dream daily. We all dream.

And the craziest part is that our dreams are created by DMT being, released into our brain. Oh, wow. That's the even crazier part about it. Is that's what creates the dream. So it sends us into a certain consciousness. That's why we have DMT inside of our brain naturally. Yeah.

So it's like, man, I don't know. Again, I'm no scientist. I don't claim to know the technical side of things. I just know like there are certain things. Totally. That are just like proven. And that, I don't know. Like that fact got me a lot, like way more.

into like dream science and stuff like that yeah i think our dreams tell us a lot about ourselves i think so yeah i think there's certain things in my dreams where i'm like whoa i take certain things from it where i'm like okay i get what that was trying what that message was or like like what i experienced yeah yeah it definitely could be that way where like you might get like a subconscious message or just it'll be like a little moment that's in the whole dream yeah to go wait that's like that's trying to say something it's like when you wake up there's always that one thing from the dream that sticks with you yeah at least for the first hour you know you know how your dream slowly fades away as you're waking up oh yeah but right when you wake up

maybe for the first 15 minutes you have this one thought that kind of sticks with you yeah yeah the uh that's that's that's a teaching in lucy dreaming where like you're to tell you like to wake up and then just don't wake up like just kind of lay there for a little bit and And think about what your dream about it, then maybe some people could write it down. Yeah. It's a very effective tool. I think so. Yeah.

What if your dream told you that you should eat more McDonald's? Maybe that means I'm about to struggle. Oh, my goodness. I should be ready for it. I don't know. Damn, Zach. Maybe that's the message. That was sick.

It's a premonition. Yeah, I mean, like, you're about to go through your struggle. It's like save your money, basically. Oh my goodness If you see a triple cheesber in your dream You know to save your money You start saving your money You just see the front counter of a McDonald's

That's the whole dream is you waiting to order That's what I'm man When I wake up I'm about to go through some shit Dude I better fucking I better save up man Oh my God That's so real Yeah I believe there's a balance of that

I think there's things that are truly signs but I also think there's just things that are just... It's random, yeah. It's just like a random. It's not meant for any kind of... I think it's a mix, for sure. Yeah. That's what I call self-awareness.

Mm-hmm. Like knowing what is to be acted upon and what is like... Yeah. It's just so fucking random. Because our brains are pretty and... Like, our brands can definitely create delusions and things that are just like randomness. Oh, of course. Like, we've all had those dreams that don't make sense.

Yeah. Like you wake up and like... You ever have those, like, where you can... can't move or like you move really slow yeah like those don't make sense those are just like true it's just like those dreams are just there to annoy you it's just yeah you know you ever have like an argument with with with yourself you're like you're just in your house or something like you'd think about what like what something someone else said to you you you basically build up like a conflict in your mind oh i see yeah yeah you're doing like you're like you're like fuck that you know like you know what

Sit down and wait, do they even... You created an argument in your head. Yeah, yeah. You created the whole conflict. Right. In your mind, I've done that many times. I still do it. I've done that before for sure.

It's like, man, I mean, dude, they're... Yeah, they're not... This is not conflict. I'm just being an idiot. Yeah, you're just over... Most of the time it's just overthinking, right? Overthinking is a thing. There's overthinking.

There's overthinking. Yeah, there's not thinking at all. It's being shot. Yeah. You always want, you always want, to have that healthy balance because you don't want to like underestimate something

but you also don't want to like overthink something to the point where like you ruin what you're trying to do. Totally. Oh yeah. Dude, it feels weird being 20 years older than you. So weird. Just under 20.

Yeah. Do you better respect your elders? Wait, no, it's 10. Hold on. It's 10. It's not 20. I know. I was just being a idiot.

I was like, wait, is it 20? No, I was being idiot. Oh, man. 10 years is, you know, I'll blink and I'll be in my third. Oh, yeah, you know what I mean? I already consider, I'm 28 and I turn 29 a couple months. Like, I already consider myself 30. Because I feel like, yeah.

Dude, once you're 28, it's like, you're not, well, you're in your 20 still. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, mentally, I feel like you've already, like, you're already in the future at that point. You're right. Your 20s are, if you're going, which I did, if you're going to, 26, you're pushing it. Yeah.

To be, like, a 20-year-old. You know what I mean? Like, even 27 is like... It's like, stop being idiot. You're an adult. You're like a grown man. Yeah, if you're lucky, if you stop being an idiot at 25,

then you'll be set when you're 35. That's the goal, man. Yeah. But I definitely push it a little bit too far. You know what? I didn't even know we're going to go into so many emotions. Shit, I always have, like, these lists that we never, I never even go through.

we're just fucking chatting I love it I was talking I guess maybe that the whole birthday kind of sparked the

emotion thing but I was having a conversation with my lady and how how our parents can really influence who we are

100% yeah I was like that's been like such like a crazy thing like you know my

My parents have like really not taught me any kind of how do you do with how do you do with emotions? How do you deal with being angry? I have zero. I realized like recently I have a zero roadmap. So when you feel like, you know, a bad day or a bad emotion or you're pissed off like I really have no roadmap. Oh wow. So like you kind of figure out in real time, okay, wait, this is what you're feeling. This is how you fix it.

Like damn, like this is. it's just realizing that like being older like like like shit dude like that so many things that happen to you when you're a kid just influence like who you become it's like you have to rebuild like your healthy yeah coping mechanisms essentially essentially yeah you just got to like just hopefully just be self-aware enough and just realize that it's a problem yeah it's like man no you get the anger and anger is already already hard to deal with yeah if you don't even have like a toolbox or a foundation there. It's fucking super tough.

Well, it's weird with like negative thoughts, right? You can go in two different directions. It's either like fear or anger, right? Those are the two different. So it's either you're kind of giving up, which I guess is fear. And then anger is like trying to deal with it, but not in a good way. Yeah. It's like going head on with it, but not in a constructive way.

Yeah. It's fucked up, dude. Weird. God. But we get older. and we're learning, you know, I feel dumber than ever. And that's, it could be good, could be bad, you know.

I think feeling, I think feeling dumb is, that is funny way to put it, but I think it's a, in a weird way, it's kind of a good thing because it's you, would you say that it's like you checking yourself? Like you, like, I mean like, like, wait, hold on. Like, instead of like assuming that you have everything figure out, it's like you kind of like realizing,

Okay, there's a couple of things that I could like figure out. Yeah. About myself, you know. Totally. 36 was a very, it's a lot of learning in that age for sure. Yeah. It took me years. I let, if I could put a number, probably five years to understand what the self-doubt was.

You know? Because it's hard. There's a point where you're like, you kind of really, you are self-aware. And wait, wait, this is this. I'm feeling this. I'm experiencing this. This is what self-doubt is. And then knowing, having that,

I'm not sure the word like, oh, wait, that's what this is. And then the process of undoing that and learning what that is. It part took five years. Feeling what self-doubt actually is in your body. And then like being 36 and being like, okay, this is self-doubt. And my mind, having your mind really, make it what it really is.

It's nothing. Self-doubt is, it's nothing. Yeah. And I was like, man, like, like, the power of, it's, it's just your mind. You know, really taking, like, the self-doubt, okay, this is self-doubt, boom, it's not, it's not real. It's just, yeah.

It's like, it took a long time. So we all have that, you know, that inner consciousness thing. Mm-hmm. And it could be good or bad. It depends on, like, you know, where you're at in your life. Um, but I think it's good to like recognize like how you said it. Like this is what it is. It's just a thought and that's pretty much it.

Like I don't have to like pay more attention to it than that. And sit, you know, and that's the thing about self-doubt is just, it's, uh, it's a part of you. Yeah. It is a party. It's why I feel so real because it is real. And it's just, it's just, you just got to your mind really does make most of your choices in your body. okay this is self-ed-out, let your mind come in, turn it off, and that's it, and then you go on. Right.

You know, I wanted to stop doing this podcast here so many times. I lost count. Really? Yeah, but the band too, you know, just comes in like this, what are you doing? It's not going to work out. And like, it's just, it's just where it's like, man, what is that you have like these conflicting things all the time? It's crazy.

I think it's just, you know, being an artist, man, like, we judge ourselves. the harshest out of anybody else. Yeah. That's what I've learned. Like, anytime I judge what I do or anything I'm involved with, you know,

then I look at, you know, like you were saying, like the people who, you know, shouted you out on like Spotify. And we're like, look,

like I'm checking you guys stuff out. Like, once those moments happen where people kind of remind you, they're like, oh, yeah, I'm doing like, I'm doing cool shit.

Like, there's nothing wrong with what I'm doing. I'm doing, like, It kind of just reassures you that those negative thoughts you're having are just that, like just negative thoughts. Totally.

And as artists, I think we need that reminder a lot, like often. Yeah, no, I definitely learn that. It's nice to get reassurance every once in a while. Yeah. Just to kind of give a little slap in the face. Everything's fine. It's tough, yeah. I mean, you know, especially, you know, with what you guys do with playing music and playing heavy music

where you guys are getting very personal with, you know, sometimes with the lyrics or even just the music itself, having a certain energy, you're like putting your all into it. I can imagine that would, you know, be like very taxing, being that vulnerable in front of that many people.

Yeah. You know. It is actually emotionally taxing. It's weird. It's weird like a, there's two kinds of exhaustion, which I found out, which this,

we just got back. this was this is this kind of exhaustion where like it was a really hard tour to do with no space and I love McDonald's and yeah it's the head banging and shit like that was a physically exhausting tour then you had the other exhaustion where you come home tired but it's a different tired because you know we left it out on the stage

for a straight month like you like you really yeah we really did a great job like fucking going there inside and like really put on the best show we can for for for for anyone at the show that's awesome so you have like those two kinds of exhaustions you know yeah yeah the more the more you feel the the tired the more tired you are when you get home i i've come to realize that's so true it's nuts the more work you put into something yeah it's like even that that the drive home or the whatever might be the flight home i think that's when it hits you yeah oh yeah oh totally it's like when you got a shit really bad and then right when you know you're close to the bathroom you got really shit

then it really hits you yeah because your body knows you're almost home so it's like yeah it's like man it's like you basically open all these emotions are coming out you basically open up the bathroom door and you almost shoot your pants

and then like you're basically almost your pants when you put in toilet paper on the seat right yeah it's like because you know your brain knows but where you're at it's coming out it's coming out You're metaphorically shitting your pants. Oh yeah. Oh, dude.

Like emotionally. Totally, dude. Yeah. No, I totally get that, man. It's tough. Dude, I'm telling you, being an artist, it's amazing. It's the most incredible thing, but it's also very taxing, for sure. It's very, it's very taxing.

Yeah. You definitely get, you're not complaining or anything about this. You get pushed to you some limits you didn't know that you had. Yeah. You know, it's weird, which is, I mean, it's, it's a good thing. I think humans, we think we should all get pushed on some level, you know. It's literally always good for us. I was just going to, it's literally being human, right?

That's just a part of being human is like being pushed to our limits. Yeah. And then finding out what the limit is and why that's there. And you know what I mean? Like how to deal with it. Totally. You know. Well, are you going to see Metallica in August?

I mean, I would I hope so. I'm definitely trying to see Pantera. That would be incredible. It's Metallica and Pantera in L.A. at the SoFi Stadium. What a good venue for that, too. It's perfect.

It literally might be the biggest mental show of all the time in California. I think it might be, right? Because I think they're doing it in the round. So they have like, they're not going to have, like, they're not at this side of the stadium and then like the stage faces. I think they're going to be right in the middle.

Right in the middle. Which would be even more people than a football game. That would be insane. That's probably, that's probably the most massive show of all the time. So they're going to fill the whole bowl, basically. I think so. Oh my God. Like a mad, and it's two days.

Oh, so. So then what, what's the, do you know what the cap is there? I was just thinking about that. What is the cap there? I mean, I would imagine 40,000 plus. At least, right? If they're filling the bowl, and it has to be like around there.

Miami, 56. 50 or 60. We're talking. So, yeah, potentially over 100,000 people. It could, yeah. If you're watching this on YouTube, please put in the comment section. Look up the cap of the Sophocidium, Los Angeles.

But it's a, they have a theater right attached to it. Brand Spankan canoe called the YouTube theater. I saw Lamb and God there. Oh, yeah. Like last month. them like so you basically drive the sofa and it's a fucking massive thing

it's a massive complex right YouTube theater to imagine a band playing in the middle of that it's pretty insane yeah no that's gonna be so insane yeah if they do it like wrapped all the way around yeah legendary

that'll be a legendary show man yeah though I mean that that has to be like you're gonna set records yeah I mean of like attendance because a football game can't do that because you only Because you have to have the field. If you let people on the field to have a stage around, that's fucking insane. It's a big field, too.

Damn, dude, I got to go. Yeah, I got to find a way to make it to that for sure. August 25th, he got Pantera, and then on the 27th, he got 5'000 death punch and Einstein kills. Man, that's so cool for Einstein kills. They deserve it. Ice 9 kills and architects playing some shows out in the... European territories, they both deserve that. Agreed. They both

have those records that have fucking killed it for them and they've been doing great. For years. Yeah, it's funny, I saw both their names. I'm like, yeah, it makes sense. Definitely makes, they're both killing it. It's great. It's cool, man. It's cool to see just bands, you know, from the scene that I grew up with

like on that level now. Yeah. It's incredible. It's nuts, dude. Got to see a Pantera. Yeah, I mean, that night specifically, I think, is going to be great. Because it's like, dude, Metallica and Pantera's same night. Man, that hasn't happened since, what, that huge show in Russia, right? Yeah.

But there was like a million people or something. Yeah, it's been a long time. And that was, like, what, like the biggest show of all time, maybe? It's got to be, like, top three. Yeah, early 90s. So, yeah. Years in the making. Dude, it's crazy.

Years in the fucking making. It's weird how things go in a cycle, right? Things are a cycle. It's weird, dude. It's very true. When we just go in a cycle, music goes in a cycle, and then hopefully when a cycle returns, it gets bigger. I think we're on the path to that for sure. Yeah.

I mean, hopefully it happens for a death core. You know, the cycle comes back, gets bigger, then it keeps going. I mean, just from a, you know, outlook or looking in, like, I think people are the most. stoked about heavy music than they've been in my opinion since like the early 2000s. So good. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. There's a magic to not stopping.

It's just don't stop. It's one thing I've been reading about. Just don't stop. And there's a lot of truth and magic. And like persistence. To that. Persistence will. Oh my goodness. It all comes into play. It's nuts. It's awesome, man.

Well, shit, I think we covered a lot. Yeah. I've covered a lot of ground. Yeah, I'm pretty proud of this one. So this drops Monday, as always. By the time you watch this, hear this, I'll be a 37-year-old man. We're literally flying to Mexico City this weekend and seeing Kiss playing with Slaughter to Revelle.

Shout out. Sick his lineup. Yeah. Fly back home for a day. fly right back out to Columbia and that's when I'll see Pantera. Oh man. Yeah, it's going to be a six. I'll see Pantera next weekend.

It'll be a fun two weekends for you. Hopefully, yeah. Dude, that's awesome. Yeah, just try to play good. Hell yeah. Well, Zach, it's great seeing you, man. Yeah, you too, dude. As always.

If you're listening to Washington, thank you. And yeah, we'll see you later. All right, guys. Peace.