Garza Podcast - 64 - CARCOSA: Vancouver Deathcore & Going Viral on TikTok

Episode Date: February 6, 2023

Carcosa is a four piece deathcore band from Vancouver BC, Canada. https://carcosabc.com SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB CARCOSA is: Andrew Baena, Johnny Ciardullo, Travis & Cooper Lagace TIME CODES: 00:00 - Positive vibes in the Deathcore scene 07:30 - The state of the modern metal/deathcore industry 08:26 - Straight outta Vancouver-ish 13:35 - Dealing with the Canadian government to play music 19:01 - Carcosa’s first tour is a result of hard work 23:05 - Andrew applying Youtube skills to the band 25:12 - Everyone in the band has a skill that helps 25:50 - How did the band meet? 54:00 - Travis has been drumming since he was 2 years old 55:25 - Johnny knows music theory 01:01:18 - Carcosa’s writing process 01:07:20 - Suicide Silence writing process 01:15:40 - Slipknot love 01:25:28 - Having fun with Nihilus music video

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Support the podcast by using the link in the description and comment section below Hello to the internet We are here What up? Where's that from? What's up internet? Oh, every YouTube video ever? No, but it originated from like somebody

It was like a what's up internet Equals three? What's going on for a Remember when you say forum? Forum, hey forum, what's going on? Oh, yeah. Are we dating ourselves now? Yeah.

Shit. Oh, it happens. And then it keeps happening the older you get. That's fair. We're just talking about, you know, we've been in band for 20 years. You know, like, you just hear the number. You're like, oh, wow. Does not feel that way.

Yeah. At all. Just time passes by, right? Times is flying, passing. And luckily, the older, you know, we get. It gets more fun. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

Yeah, yeah. I get to hang out with you guys. I'm with Carcoza. Hell, holy moly. whole band we're with suicide silence no we're here with Chris no man we're Chris baby

now we're happy to be here thanks for having us anytime I was told me andrew how this crazy how you could have like you're having like an IG DM and then now you're in person yeah yeah well how do you think again I was saying like how do you think I feel like I've been listening to you guys since I was

14 13 like over half my life ago and it's like oh he DM'd me and wants us to talk to him that's fucking crazy Yeah, we can get this part out of the way now if you want, but it's like, I think for everyone, it's just like, yeah, like playing seven-string guitars and everything was because of your band. I know you said it was from corn, but for us, for me, it's you guys. It's true, it's true. Whoa. Yeah.

I picked up my first seven-string, Shectar Omen. Financed it with the help of my parents from a music store to play, to learn to play wake up. Yeah, yeah. I heard on end, or no, no pity for a coward first. And I was like, first when I heard, I was like, this is, way too much. Like there's no way I could ever like this music. It's like way too intense. And then you know when you listen to it again and again, I'm like, okay, actually this is pretty fucking sick. Yeah, you become addicted to it. And then you're looking at the guitar tab and I'm like,

what the fuck is drop A? Like that's a tuning you can do and then it's like oh, it's a seven string. All right, well, I guess I'm playing seven strings now. Yeah. And that was. So thanks for that. Yeah. And now we tune low and it's all your fault. No, thank, thank all you because, you like we like we wouldn't be here without like the you bands like you like refreshing the genre you know so that's this whole like second wave and I had had a conversation with with you Johnny I think we were in Atlanta yeah I was like you know I really love what you guys are doing what it's just it's just a fresh something new to to the genre like and that directly affects us oh yeah you know like the way like you guys handle like the YouTube stuff

like you know I'm fascinating like with that so I you know I to me like I I thank you you guys for for even like i didn't even think about this but for pursuing music you know because without bands coming up like the death course scene will i mean it's it's in the name will fucking die yeah no no no pun intended but i mean yeah without you guys i mean we ain't shit man so so thank thank you guys yeah it's all a big family thing now like i mean we've talked about this one around tour as well and like with eddie but like the vibes in the death course scene now are so much better than they used to be, right? It feels like more of like a loving group of people

that all want to support them, other bands and glow everybody else up. And it was great, too, like, touring with you on chaos just because, like, you treated us so well where it could have been like, you know, the older bands that have been around for a while are like, fuck you or like don't care about the younger bands. But y'all were entirely the opposite of that.

And it was fucking awesome. Yeah, well, I think I speak for all of us, too. like when you know we used to play in like more like giant metalcore whatever and like we never felt like how we feel in deathcore ever like it was always very much like everyone just was like clawing to get to the top and i don't know it just felt very much like a competition where i felt toxic it was it's always been like everyone just kind of fucks with each other and genuinely wants to help and it's it's very cool and very different than what we were used to in the past yeah it's awesome yeah it's great. There's like this commodity.

Everyone was trying to help each other. You know? Yeah, back then was very, it was very different. It was very different. Yeah, a lot of dog-eat dog, yeah? Yeah, a lot. Obviously, you won't mention the band names, but you don't want to, like, it sucks when the right bands tour together

it too late. You know, it's just sucks, man. Yeah. You know, corn did it right. They fucking took out Lampiscuit, R.G. Ramstein, the fucking prime year. Oh, God, that's what's so fascinating. Yeah. What an era. It's crazy.

It's kind of crazy how we're all here. Like, you know, with the drop bass, seven-string guitars. Yeah. I was just like the big circle. Like corn, new metal. Now we got it. And then, like, you know, band's like, you know, you guys are playing seven strings now. And where's it going?

Well, we go way lower than seven. Yeah. We do an eight. Yeah, we do eight strings in like drop E usually. but we have songs that do like double drop a is what we call it, which is like an octave lower than a seven string. Oh my goodness. Because I don't know.

We have all these tools at our disposal to kind of like not like we play in one tuning but we don't bound ourselves to that tuning. If you have the technology that allows you to do whatever you want with the instrument, why not just fucking do it, right? Yeah, of course. It's why it's there. Yeah, exactly. Use everything that's at your fingertips.

That's like like band's like, like, brand sacrifice and everything too. Like the guitars are fucking crazy. Yeah. But it makes it fun and it makes it interesting instead of just, you know, the same chugs that we've been playing for 20 plus years. Yeah. And again, shout out to like humanity's last breath. Like we basically were copying what they did and they taught us how to do it. Like literally the guitarist or one of the guitars from that band was like, here is exactly how we program all our stuff and now we know how to do it too.

And it's like, we're part of the camaraderie thing we're talking about. Like they could have usually just been like, fuck you figure it out. But they were like, hey, it took me a long time to figure out here some tools that I thought were useful. and enjoy. And so I was like, wow. You did not have to do that. Thank you so much. That's what keeps the genre alive, too.

It's like an ecosystem. Definitely. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Roe. If the more you help each other, the more, you know, shit will get bigger. Yes.

Yeah. Well, I mean, we're seeing that, like Lorna Shore, whoever would have thought. Yeah. It's insane seeing a band that heavy that big. Yeah. So.

Yeah. Yeah, I hope it keeps going. Yeah. Yeah. I hope they don't end up like us, you know, just fucking. And it's so fascinating. Once like shit starts coming in,

this is hard to stay focused. Yeah. It's really hard. Yeah. But, I mean, I have high hopes. Yeah,

I think it's in the best state it's ever been in right now, you know. It's exciting, dude. It is. I'm fucking pumped. Yeah. This is the most,

and it's like from a financial standpoint, too, it's just the most lucrative it's ever been right now at this point. Like, you get to, you know, we use Loner Shore for so many examples,

but like them getting to tour with, Gojira and Mastodon, like, that's huge for everybody in this room. Like, it's not only, it's great for those boys, and I love them and they earn that, but it's a trickle-down effect. It's that domino effect. We're all getting the benefits of that, which I fucking love, man. It's great. We all worked so hard to get here, and it feels like we finally got there, you know.

That is the thing. Yeah, you guys work so hard, man. Especially being, which I'm curious about you guys. So you're from Vancouver. Approximately. I guess you tell people that, but... Yeah, the surrounding area. Exactly.

I've been around that area a couple of times in my career. It's an interesting place. I remember going to either like the Rikshaw Theater or the Vogue and walking down the street. It's simple. It's going to Starbucks, and I'm looking at people shoot up. Yeah. I was like, not really exactly something that I see often anywhere else, But for some reason, it was a thing more than once in Vancouver.

And I was like, you know, what's it like growing up there? Well, I didn't grow up in the city, but these guys could definitely attest to that more like going to shows growing up there. Yeah, I mean, I've never lived in Vancouver personally. I've always lived in like smaller suburb cities that are like half an hour, hour away from it. But obviously, like, I've been there tons of times. I used to work downtown. And yeah, it's as terrible as it sounds to say, it's almost like because, you know, you grow up that you're kind of like desensitized to it because it's just like everyone just

yeah this is a thing here and nobody really does anything about it you just like walk past which is when you say that out loud it's like that's fucking insane obviously but yeah it's it's almost like i don't know just you're so used to seeing it that it's like oh yeah that's just how you know this venue is it's just like that and it's been that way my whole life and it still is like that yeah it's it's kind of interesting too because like before covid the ecosystem with like the homeless population of Vancouver was a lot different, like East Hastings that you're talking about, like the Rikshah, you know, those people might seem scary because of what's going on and they live on the streets, but they just do their own thing. They have their own social structure and

ecosystem. Like, they don't want to bother anybody. They just want to live. Like, they're trying their best to live. But after COVID, it got a lot more desperate. Like, it got a lot worse. Like, the downtown core, like, where the Vogue is on Granville Street, like, it's really dangerous down there now. I don't know what changed, but it's like there's a lot of stabbing and all that stuff. Like women getting sexually abused, like tons of that is happening down there right now. And I don't really know like what the answer is to that problem. Oh no. But it's been such like a persistent thing in Vancouver for so long. I hope they figure it out.

Like, you know, you got like Snoop Dog coming in. He's like, yo, y'all need to figure your shit out. Yeah. Because this is bad, man. Yeah, I mean, we've seen bands play at like the Rickshaw, for example. And like on stage, I'd be like, Like not joking like I hope everyone gets home safe tonight like they're actually just shocked by how crazy the that area is Yeah well like and we're just like when we played with you all on the 10-year cleansing tour like oh Galactic Pegasus open for you guys in Vancouver Oh long time long time that was us. That was us. I didn't know that Yeah with a pawn and stuff. Oh my goodness. Yeah, but that venue that you guys are that you guys play the Imperial it's shut down now because of the homeless population that

like essentially took over that lot and the owners couldn't even like do shows because people were getting attacked and stuff like that that was like the heart of that area yeah it's the heart of that so it's gone because of that that's so unfortunate man yeah i don't even think they're we won't get too far into it but uh yeah this is all you have you have pictures of a vancouver man oh my goodness i've read this like one of the worst streets in north america i think it is yeah definitely it goes a lot deeper than just like like homeless people and addicts i believe that a large portion of it started when they closed down the Riverview Mental Hospital, which is like a couple of cities over and it was like a really not nice facility, very

outdated facility for like people with mental health back in the day. Wow. And when they closed that down, I think a lot of people had nowhere to go. And that's kind of how that started. They kind of just shipped them off to Vancouver and they're like basically. Well, it was that too. And then the 2010 Olympics as well. They were just getting because the city was trying to make the city look more approachable for,

you know, the world was coming into, you know, be in the Olympics. and then it just totally fucked everything up as well. So we got a problem down there. But I feel bad because bands will come in and if the Rickshaw is the only experience you've had in Vancouver, your perception is like, wow, it's dog shit. But it really isn't. It's just this area is bad.

And it's where our most popular metal venue is. Yeah. Oh, that's what it is. So when an idiot like me comes in drive-driving, it's like, what is? Is this what everything is like? I'm trying to get a Starbucks copy. And they're showing, shooting us.

Literally like right. Yeah. Right there. Yeah. It's crazy. That's the crazy thing is you can go like five minutes away from there and none of that. Literally five minutes. Well, then you're in the 1%.

Like you're almost the richest area of Vancouver, which is the dichotomy. You walk down the street and then you're, you know. It's even like that in other cities besides Vancouver. Like the city where I grew up, like my parents area is really nice. And then if you walk like 10 minutes the other way, it's like one of the sketchiest bus stops in the whole city. Yeah. And it's like right there. But you would never know it if you came.

to this certain neighborhood. It's very weird. Yeah. I don't think people think about that when they think about Canadian cities either. I just think that we're all just like, oh, you know, poo-dust and shit. Fuck yeah, bud.

Yeah. Yeah, there is like this, oh, Canadian, yeah, only positive. Yeah. I mean, we are, for the most part. It's just shit also sucks sometimes.

Well, how do you have the worst border? I'm talking to you. The border? Oh, man. What's the border? I don't know, man. It's crazy. You go to one of the most, like,

Pleasant places on the planet, essentially, and then they just don't want you. They don't want us when we're going back into our own country. It's insane. But for us, it's hard to cross to the States, too, to be fair. At least in my opinion. I've always had more trouble going back. Going back, yeah, the Canadian side is a lot more strict. And, like, I don't know if that's necessarily a problem.

It's an inconvenience when you just want to cross the border. But if they're being strict, you know, for, you know, safety of the country, I guess that's fine. Well, yeah. I guess in my case it's more like what do you do for living YouTuber they're like yeah oh my god this guy's smuggling drugs they have a really hard flag they just don't know what to do they're like ah how do you what you can make money off that like whatever and then I'm kind of stuck explaining this whole thing oh yeah over again it's a whole and they're like please go to secondary yeah yeah and then I'm just like please let me through yeah I don't know they're really

strict though it's it's definitely a pain in the ass but the the other thing for us like coming into your country to even play shows we have to spend a fuck ton of money on visas. Like we can't play, we can't tour without having a P2 visa. Yeah. Which a lot.

Yeah. Yeah. What's that? It's literally like, it's a working visa. So we, how the process works for Canadian bands is you have to join your your province's

musicians association. And then they, you have to go through that whole rigamarole and like be a confirmed member. And then that's when you can actually apply for a P2. And it's like this massive, you know,

list of things that you have to check off. Like, everybody has, you know, passports and all that kind of stuff. But, you know, you have to lay out your itinerary for every single show. You have to have signatures from every single venue

that proves that you're going there. What? Yeah. Yeah. And, like, when I submitted the paperwork, it was 162 pieces of paper. And shout out to Johnny for doing all of it.

It was a lot. Like, it was like a huge envelope like this that I had to ship with not only, it was the cost of the VAS, and then the cost for it and it like separately for everybody else so it's it's an investment for a Canadian ambassador or in the A market which the US is yeah but you have to submit it if you submit it 60 days before you pay the normal fee but if you

submit it 30 days before you leave it goes up to like three thousand dollars per person per person so it's like before we even leave the country we've already spent like 10k yeah I can see the math like going off in Chris's head right dude that is I never knew that and they can they can also just say no yeah any reason like you and you don't get the money back no you don't get it back so yeah yeah what and this is at the point of you've already confirmed the tour yeah it's like oh got the signatures from every venue and they can just like nope they could I don't feel like it today too bad go home yeah we got lucky we're good

but for American bands you just cross the board sometimes they ask for like immigration papers but they usually don't like ever so yeah it yeah yeah yeah It's crazy, man. Well, then, yeah. Yeah, well, like, for a session musician, too, it's not like you can just, like, get a call. Like, we need a drummer tomorrow.

If you're, like, in Canada. And, like, you know, if a metal band in the States needs a drummer or bass player singer, it's like, you'd need months notice, right? So, and then you'd have to get the visas and the whole thing. It's just they're going to be like, oh, that's expensive. Yeah. We'll just get the guy down the road. Good luck telling the band.

Like, oh, can you guys help pay for my music? Literally. Like, no. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to say, like, oh, boohoo us, we have an uphill battle. but it's like, it's a pain of the ass. Yeah.

Well, on the other hand, Canadians are very fortunate because our government has a lot of like grants available for art of all kinds, not just music, but there's a lot of money. A lot of art for grabs. It doesn't even go claimed every year, so. Not that we've ever gotten.

Not yet. Well, like bands, like, like Arch Spire gets a lot of grants. Devin Townsend, like, you know, the Canadian government's really helped with that. They can help if you know where to look. Yeah, definitely. They don't make it easy. Yeah.

Well, it looks like you're paying for it. Yeah. We did it. We're here. Oh, my goodness. And it's worth it, so. I didn't, I didn't know that. I think that's very important for everyone, like, watching, listening to, to know what you guys go through to get into the United States just to play, you know, some shows. Yeah.

You know, and money in the middle scene is already scarce. So when you're talking, even adding, like, the added pressure. Yeah. You know. It's a huge investment for us to do it. But, I mean, we got to do it. This is our A market. Yeah.

This is where everybody is. It's a big part of why we will. waited so long and didn't do it in our previous ban because every time, like, we've wanted to tour the States forever. Like, the four of us have been in a band together since, like, 2016 or something. Like, a different band, mind you. But regardless, like, we've had potential opportunities to do it. But every time we broke down all the costs, we're like, how are we going to do this?

Like, even just crossing the border, like, fully depletes all the money we have. And then we also need, like, a van, this, this, this. It's just like, we can't do it. Yeah. And no guarantee you'll make it back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So this time, you know, finally we're in a situation where we've, we've, we're worked really hard and saved a lot of money. And now we're here and we're very happy to be here. Yeah. Well, shit. I mean, it's awesome to see you guys actually here. Yeah. Yeah.

Is this your first tour? Yes. Yeah. It's also. It's the first tour. Tonight's also our seventh show ever. Yeah. Wow.

I mean, you guys have really made a name for yourself already. And this is like your first tour in the States, only your seventh show in. You know, yeah. How did you guys do that? Internet. Internet. Yeah. Yeah.

What's up, Bironet? Yeah, what's up? It was, I always feel bad saying this, but COVID was a really big time for all of us, like, individually and our project, because it allowed us to fully focus on it full time. And, like, we just, like, kind of went full pedal to the metal. Like, it wasn't obviously, we didn't, like create Carcosa in the pandemic. Like, the band idea was already created before, but then the pandemic happened and we were like, shit, okay, now what do we do? Well, we did have a pretty, we were like, should we even? do this, should we wait till COVID is over, but we chose to see it as an opportunity because

we're like, well, a lot of bands are not doing shit right now. So maybe this is actually a really good time to do this because people are starved for any kind of entertainment because there was like nothing, especially we came out like, what, like June 2020. So it was like pretty early into the pandemic. And yeah, there was just like a lack of music or new music, new movies, anything because nobody could make anything. And we're like, well, we already made all this stuff and It's just sitting here, so maybe we should just say fuck it and do it. And we decided to do that, and it paid off. It could have easily failed miserably, but it worked, and we were like sick.

It could have gone either way. I will never discredit the hard work that we put into the project, but, you know, a part of its luck, too. Just right eyes were in the right place at the right time, and then we kind of just went from there. Yeah, I mean, I think we definitely put a lot of thought into it. But, yeah, obviously, there's some degree of luck. But, yeah, like, it's just, you know, I don't think any of us. us thought it would be as big as it was and we're obviously very very thankful to that or of that rather and yeah i don't know just just glad we decided on that and who knows what would have

happened if we didn't right yeah exactly it's it's so it's so refreshing to hear your perspective on kovie because there's i mean a lot a lot of artists and bands you know they everyone everyone had different mindsets and depending on your mindset kind of determine what what what what the outcome was yeah for sure you know it's kind of nuts man and they have like a fresh perspective perspective and not be so attached to like the O way of thinking. It's really cool. I think you had you had two choices during COVID. You could either be proactive or you could be reactive.

And it's like we chose being proactive because it's all we wanted to do. And like this is like our time to like take a shot at doing this full time. Because like when are we going to get this opportunity again, right? Not saying COVID was an opportunity. But shit happens, right? I get it. You're taking advantage of a shitty situation. Or you're reactive and you're stuck in a lot.

loop and and a lot of people were a lot of musicians were and I feel for them because like not everybody can just turn the switch and be like all right I'm motivated now especially when you're sitting in your house every single day not doing shit and I think it's definitely important to mention that obviously we're coming from the perspective where pretty much all of us like already knew how to produce our own content so like in my case like I'm a full-time YouTuber so I'm like oh well I can do the exact same thing but for a band and you know everyone can here yeah so we were coming from that perspective where we

like already knew how to do all this stuff. I think for people that were mostly like full-time touring people who had never, you know, recorded themselves or made a video. Like I can totally understand how in their position they're like, where the fuck do I even begin? Like a video, what's that? Like a DA, how do I record my guitar? Like, what's a DIY? Right? Then fair enough. Like, why would you know that? Like, yeah. We were in a sense lucky. I mean, I don't know if it's luck because like we've worked on it for so long. It's experience. It's just experience that we just so happened that the things we knew how to do came in handy at a good time I guess and yeah I totally understand why some people were overwhelmed and just like I don't know where to even begin

but yeah for us it was it worked out and yeah yeah yeah because Andrew you were involved with you've been full-time YouTube for I mean a decade essentially um not full-time but I've been doing YouTube for a long time yeah I would so I know I call it full-time because I went on your page and I was just doing this yeah there's a lot of shit for sure oh it was like okay this is what you call commitment yeah and that and that and that's fucking sick dude oh thank you and like how was that like uh how was that transition from going to youtube to what you you you guys eventually did with a carcoza was that like oh you kind of took what you guys took what you learned and then what let's just apply it to

you know music or a band yeah pretty much um it definitely wasn't all like from my me only or something like that like all of us had a lot of good ideas and like we took a lot of inspiration from bands like spirit box and brand of sacrifice especially but yeah like you know I know we we self-recorded like everything up until well no we've always self-recorded everything still where yeah so anyways like all the experience of stuff that we knew how to do with our YouTube or my YouTube or whatever like all came in handy because I was like well I know how to record I know how to make videos so it's like we still want the professional music videos, but any other content, like, I can do that. Or even for some of our

music videos, like, we literally just bought rolls of green cardboard and just duct taped it all to my parents' garage wall. And, like, that's how we filmed the video for Vermin and for Nihilus, was just, wow. Walmart green screens taped to a wall. And I just got my cameras I used for YouTube and put them out. And I had, like, a sheet of paper. And I was like, all right, we're doing this shot, this shot, this shot, this shot. And, like, it cut down the cost of a lot because I was like, well, I filmed everything and then we just need someone to edit it. Or we recorded everything ourselves and we only need someone to mix it. So that's like why we were able to afford to do all the things we did is because like everything was way less money because I was like, well, we have a bunch of skills collectively.

Yeah. And let's use that to our advantage. It's like, yeah, we might not like some videos like are maybe like too big of a scale for us to do personally or some mixed ideas are a little bit too hard for us to do. But like that's okay. let's just do what we can. Yeah, it's great that, like, everybody in this band plays a role and we function as a group, which is great. Like, I mean, before the pandemic, like, Cooper didn't do merch before,

and Cooper takes care of all of our merch, like, everything. Sick. So, like, Cooper worked his ass off and learned a skill that, you know, profits the band. And it's also fun and creative, and he does a fantastic job in it, you know, like just having those people being able to function on their own. but bringing it into the full band just makes it a healthy process, you know? Yeah. You guys are a real band.

Something like that. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. How'd you guys actually meet? Ooh, good question. Start from the beginning with you guys. All right.

So like you said, I've been doing YouTube for a long time. And a lot of what I did was, like, out of necessity is what I always like to say, is like, I didn't have a band. So I was like, I guess I'll learn how to record myself. I don't have a drummer. I guess I'll learn how to program drums. So eventually I started writing my own music and just like putting it up on YouTube.

And then I didn't have like any friends at the time that listened to metal. So I would just go to local shows by myself because I was like, I got nothing to fucking do. Might as well. And then I started meeting like other people who were into the local scene, including Cooper. And he joined our first band Galacted Pegasus.

And then you know, like we got along really well. So we've stuck together over the years. And then over time, a bunch of lineup changes. Johnny comes into the fold as our bassist, which is hilarious now. Same thing, and then eventually Travis came in. So, yeah, that's kind of like the short version. But it was basically like we had this original band, and people just gradually joined until we finally found like,

all these are the four people that we all get along most of the time. Of course. And, you know, we all seem to have the same goals and understanding of each other. And, like, we all have different skill sets that actually work really well. It took a very long time to finally kind of put those pieces together. That's like the quick version of the story. Sorry, go ahead, Coop. And for timeline, like, it was 2012 when you first met and started playing together,

which was 11 years ago now. And then Johnny, you joined in 2015. 2015. So it's still eight years ago now quite a while. And then Travis, 2017? I think, like, January, 2017. Yeah, yeah. Johnny's story's crazy, though.

Yeah. Yeah, I always love telling it because it's just so fucking, random but yes um yeah like i was saying when we were in there like i i went to music school in uh nelson british columbia in the cutneys um and i i went as a guitar major and i came up playing bass because i brought a bass to school and everyone's like oh you play bass everyone needs a fucking bass player so that including this guy yeah which was great though because i built up a lot of chops i got a lot of work you know i got to do some cool shit which is great but yeah i played in a country band for for about eight years and uh it was fine in the

beginning and then I started to fucking hate it. I was like the paycheck is not worth this anymore. I just really don't like it. And it's not as though I don't like country music. I don't like like playing stadium country music was really starting to like wear away at me. Really? Like really poppy stuff. I was just like man, this is so disingenuous. This isn't who I am. Like I just can't attach myself to this music anymore. Um, but after college, I, uh, wanted to move to Vancouver to start my music career and, you know, see what I could do. And, and, um, I just can't. And, And I looked up bands from the area and the two bands that I looked up were Galactic Pegasus and Angel Maker.

And I was like, oh, I would be fucking cool to go to these shows and like meet these guys and see what happens, you know. So I moved to Vancouver. I don't know anybody. I'm just going to shows doing my thing. And Andrew makes a post on Facebook and he's like, oh, has anybody done like a metal uptown funk cover before? What?

And I had just done one on my own because I just fucking felt like doing it. I messaged him, I DMed him and sent it to him. I was like, yeah, like, I did one, check it out. I was like, yeah, whatever. Yeah, whatever. Shut the fuck up, right? And then I knew that Galactic Pegasus at the time didn't have a bass player. So I was like, hey, and just, you know, don't mean to be that guy, but if you need a bass player, just let me know. And then it kind of just went off from there. Well, I think I was like, send me a video of you playing a song then, and you did. And I was like, oh, you fucking was pretty good, actually. And then, yeah, the rest was history after that. Just kept grinding away, played bass for a long time until I

switch to vocals and here we are. Yeah. And you're also an angel maker. And I'm an angel maker. So just literally joined the two bands. Well, you know, more or less the two bands that you wanted to. Yeah. Crazy.

Yeah. It's pretty crazy. I'm pretty sure the show we did with Suicide Silence as GP was the last show we ever did as a five piece. Oh, yeah. As a five piece. And that was right before Johnny switched to doing vocals. Yeah. That was the last show he ever played bass with us.

Yep. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Full circle moment. Definitely full circle. Yeah. Yeah.

That's full circle, man. So you went straight. You talk about love John. Like you went straight from country music the paycheck, but you just knew that like this is not who I am. No. You know? It was really toxic. Like country music is awesome.

And a lot of those guys, like a lot of those Nashville session players are so fucking good. They're like better than you would ever think that they are. But like I just couldn't do it anymore. I just like was selling my soul. It felt like it was almost the definition of selling out. But like not in like the fun way where you're like changing your stuff. sound and maybe doing like something else. It was like, this doesn't feel right to me.

I want to play breakdowns. I love more breakdowns. Oh my goodness. But I also love that you went from what is a way more accessible genre of country and you'd switch to death core and now you're doing way better than you were. Yeah, I kind of ended up surpassing it. Surprising in a way. It's to a lot of people, I'm sure.

But that kind of like proves my point though is like do what you actually want to do. Like you're going to struggle for a bit for sure. like the road for everybody in this band and like yourself like it's never been smooth no it's always going to be like this but when you get to that point where you're like fuck we're we're doing like Garza's podcast you know what I mean

it's just like it's the fucking shit yeah man it's great it makes all that bullshit that you went through like worth it entire like if you would have told us even like three years ago as recently as that that we would be here right now playing a show I'd be like yeah no that's not going to fucking happen no no not at all

so yeah up until yet yesterday I was still like I don't even think this tour is real. And then we still don't. And then we played a show and I was like, I guess it's real. It's still not real. Yeah. I guess people like us. Oh my goodness.

Yeah, man. Travis, how was it for you? Joining the band? Yeah. I think my story is like not super unique, but I think it's like important for people to hear, not mine in particular, but just like how it happened because a lot of, I get a lot of questions like how do you join a band? Like, how do you meet people? So for me, I was at.

I think it was an August Burns Red Show at the Vogue in Vancouver, and just randomly in line I met this dude, and for whatever fucking reason, we added each other on Facebook. And like, three years later, I never talked to this guy since, but added him on Facebook. Three years later,

Andrew had made a post on Facebook saying, like, hey, anybody in Vancouver, know any drummers, pretty much. And this guy I met at the show years ago tagged me in that post. And, like, I think about it pretty often, because I feel like that was a pretty big point for my life to turn because I mean like who knows where I'd be had I never met these guys. But like for people asking, how do you get in a band?

How do you get involved? Like just going to shows and meeting people. Like you really cannot stress that enough because that's literally what it was for me. We did drum auditions for the band. And this is no shade to any of those drummers that tried out. We appreciate you doing that. But like we were doing it and like some of the guys that were coming in just like either didn't practice or whatever and we were starting to be like oh fuck we're

never going to find somebody like this is going to suck and then this kid comes in and he's how over he just crashes through the door when i messaged bainer about this whole thing like in canada especially in Vancouver the majority of the venues are like they're not all ages so they're 19 plus and i was 18 at the time of messaging him and i'm like okay but next month i'm going to be 19 like i'll be able to play the shows he's like okay like Jesus he's He was a little baby. He was a baby when he came in. I don't know about this guy.

So we were like, oh, this kid, like, what's he going to do, you know? And then he comes bashing into the jammer and, like, drops his babe. Like, whoa, what's up, guys? Just a fucking psycho pal. I could see it in the face. I was like, I'm not getting this fucking gig, man. But then we're like, oh, like, what song do you want to start with? And he's like, well, I already learned the whole EP.

They were like, can you learn two or three? And I was like, I just learned all of them. Yeah. I didn't even, I was just like, I was just like, oh, fuck, I might as well learn the rest of these. And then played them like perfectly right away, like better than any drummer we had already played with. So we're like, well, okay, I guess we're done now. Decision was made pretty quick after that.

And it's also, it's worth mentioning at that point. Like, so my dad's a drummer, and he's played drums since he was a kid. And I've played drums since I was two. So when I joined the band, yeah, I would have been just turning 19. I've, like, known I want to play drums my whole life. But at that point, like, I just recently graduated high school. I was working at a fucking call center for a pizza company. Yeah.

And I remember going to work, like, every day. I mean, like, how am I not in a fucking band yet? Like, at that point, I'd, like, done, like, the 10,000 hours. And I was, like, I don't know how to do anything. I've just sat in a room and played drums. And, yeah, joining the band. Like, that opportunity and everything just kind of lining up. And, like, I feel super fortunate because how many people get to join their very first band.

And, you know, like, five, six years later, here we are touring. And I've never had to change projects. like never had a problem with anybody in the band. Like, I feel like it's... Well, we technically changed projects. Well, okay, but you know what I mean? Like, it's the same people. Like, I feel like that's a really, really rare case for everybody...

For all the stars, just kind of a line like that. So, yeah, I mean, it took a lot longer than I would have expected. I mean, even now, like, I just turned 25, and I feel like going on my first tour at 25, I'm like, oh, these people start to do. Fair enough. But even then, you guys had done, like, small little things as GP. I mean, like, for me, it's still kind of crazy that's all panned out, but I guess just being Patience is the moral of the story and things will pan out the way they need to so yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's great and on top of that you were a really sick drummer

I thank my dad for that one yeah, shout out dad. Yeah, yeah just real real quick like you know you're I was I was watching some of your drum videos. I'm like damn he's clean Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that but you know when it get nasty Yeah, you know like we get like nasty I'm okay there you go you're gonna see him tonight. He goes fucking animal style. He has like a big old 30 second drum solo. He does. I take advantage of that 30 seconds.

It's definitely like a yeah, I don't know if this is like a great thing to have like the opening band with a 30 second drum solo. Well it's like it's not like just drums. It's like over top of like intro. It's a flex moment. It's a flex moment. Sure. No, I don't know. It's sick.

Just take you man. I appreciate the love. Oh, if you're a sick drummer, I have a fucking drum solo, man. Why? Why not? We all, and we got this conversation a lot, there's something about drummers. It's just more visually pleasing when you see, like, a drummer, just

going wild, dude. Symbol companies hate them. Yeah, I don't know. I grew up really, like, obsessed over guys like Travis Barker and Joey Jordison. Oh, yeah. I just, I hated going to a show,

especially, like, with Death Corps or Metal of any kind. You're listening some of the most fucking angry music your eardrums could possibly receive. And the guy up there looks like he's standing in the fucking line at the bank. And to a degree, like, okay, when I'm listening to Mushuga, that guy's got to be concentrate.

I'm not too worried. But I like to, like, at least find somewhere in the middle where I can still play the parts, but I'll sacrifice some fucking clonliness to have a good time and put on a show. That's great. You know, like... I love that.

Yeah. It just feels more genuine to me to be up there and acting pissed when we're playing pissed off music. Like, what are people going to remember that you played it perfectly? Or that's like, oh, that guy kicked his kick drum over

at the end of the set for some reason. I don't know you guys you guys know all about that exactly yeah of course like it's funny like your your brain were just record these these memories and it's just just the ones that you wouldn't expect oh yeah you remember when that drummer was fucking slammed exactly yeah and you don't remember the one that's kind of just yeah he played album perfect yeah cool yeah I don't know yeah but that's what it felt like watching you guys every night too is like you're out there fucking having a blast every all everybody in the band was and it was just like not only did it sound crush

But visually it was super entertaining Not a lot of bands can say they have both some bands sound super sick, but they're vibing on stage not doing a lot Yeah, or they go fucking crazy and then the sound is kind of sacrificed because there's guitar spins and people doing back Of course, but like if you can have entertaining as fuck Yeah, which is super entertaining, but if you can have both of those things for sure yeah You're gold there's a middle ground definitely yeah for sure yeah, yeah, that's why we have just simple riffs. Yeah, same Exactly, right? Well that's that's 210. It's it yeah Let's get a one I love about the drums or just our music in general, like it's not super easy.

You know, the parts are very fun, but it's not like, as far as deathcore drums, I mean, like, I would never go see Lorna Shore and expect Austin to be standing up as he's fucking like doing 400 BPM double kick. Like you just can't do it. Fucking 4,000. 100%. Yeah, like fuck that. Doing a fucking chug rib turn. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But with us, I mean, the music is just in the middle of like it's complicated. for us to have a lot of fun playing it but it's simple enough that we can just kind of turn our brains off and have fun and lose lose control a little bit yeah yeah there is yeah you kind of have to pick one like you know i like i like choosing like like like no brain just turn it off so fucking saw head banging yeah yeah yeah no class just break downs that's a t-shirt idea that's a fucking t-shirt yeah wow print it run it copywriter now do it that's why he's our merch yeah yeah There we go.

Just breakdowns. The best one's kind of come from no thoughts too. It's kind of interesting. Oh, always. It's like when you write a fucking joke song or something and it ends up being super dope

because you were in such a free and just fun mind space like, yeah, I'm not going to think about it. I'm just going to do whatever. And then it's dope, you know? It doesn't happen all the time to be fair. But yes.

It doesn't happen. But when it does happen, you're like, well, I'm glad I didn't like think about it that much. Exactly. You know? Yeah,

you're right. Sometimes it could be a joke, but then like something serious will come out of it. So it's so crazy how that works out, you know, a riff or an idea. Yeah. And for you guys, you started posting, you started having these, like, viral clips. And some people call it luck.

I don't. There is, like, so I was very curious, like, when you started going to viral. Like, how did you start, what was your process to start generating ideas? Look at me. man I don't know it's like a combination of looking at what other YouTubers or content creators are doing and that

usually helps me think of ideas or sometimes it's just honestly like I think it is a bit of luck to be fair where like for take our stupid breakdown call-up videos for example like those are like it was like a 30 second idea I was like what if we do breakdown call-outs but we read card against humanity's cards

like that was the extent of the thought I didn't think it was going to go viral we just did it fun and then it did. So it's almost ironic in a way because I usually feel I usually feel like the videos that we try less do better. And I think I've always been trying to like crack that code of like why? Because there are some videos where I put so much effort in and I'm like, oh, this video is awesome. People are going to love it and nobody gives a fuck. And I'm like, why are these videos that we kind of just do and see what happens do so much better? And I think it's because people can like just tell you're having fun. This is the only way I can make sense of it. It's the same reason

like unboxing videos of guitars do better than a guitar review. It's like in my opinion, I'm like, well, the guitar review has like way more information and is more important, so to speak. It's also a genuine reaction. But people want to see like, this is you unboxing the thing and trying for the first time. It's your genuine reaction and your stuff. I don't know. There's something with people can just tell if you're having fun or not.

It's true. And that same thing for music. Like for us, it was, you know, there was some thought, especially in like Nihilus where I was like, okay, like we're going to make a ridiculous. video where we're going to have like all these pop culture references blah blah blah because for that I was like well this will probably help us you know potentially go viral yeah and it definitely did to some extent but there were some other videos like a plague our first video which is like pretty serious you know kind of play through style video and that the thought process behind that wasn't to go

viral it was just like we need a music video and it just happened to work so I don't know I've never I would love to give you some insight well and like make it sound like I'm I'm really smart and know how to go viral, but to some degree I have no idea. You can say, like, you know, whatever. We just came up with shit and it happened and whatever. Yeah. But, like, there is a side of it, too, where you pay attention to trends and things that are going on. Like, for TikTok, you have to pay attention to trends.

Otherwise, you will flatline quicker than you started, you know? Like, you have to have your finger on the pulse on that app because the attention spans are really low. Yes. And you have to be on top of what's going on. Otherwise, you're going to fade into obscurity. like I mean Andrew and I's breakdown callers did well for a really long time I definitely on the downfall they're on the downfall but we also kind of slipped a bit and we haven't been paying attention to what's going on in the app as much so we're you know our numbers are a lot less than they were which is fine like you know everybody has their heyday and like I said attention spans are short if you move on to a new thing you move on to a new thing and that's fine but like even you know for a carcosa like doing social media you pay attention to trending sounds trending videos and like these

two in particular are really good at being like, this meme is popping off right now. Let's try and incorporate it into our music. And then I have to convince them that I'm allowed to post it. Sometimes they're like, ah, fuck, I don't know if that's actually funny or if we just think it's funny. I'm like, trust me, bro, it's hilarious. Yeah.

And like, you know, the hit rate is here and there. But like, these two are actively thinking about that shit all the time. So like, yeah, a bit of it is like, yeah, we're just putting out content and seeing what happens. But it's also like, we're still paying attention to shit. We live on the internet. That's where our, like, that's our jobs. Yeah.

And also, like, we've, or I've been doing it for, like, 10 years. And another part is, like, always, or not always, but, like, not being afraid to, like, switch what you're doing. Because, like, if I was still doing the exact same videos I did 10 years ago, I would have given up forever ago. But, like, I've gotten to the point so many times on my channel outside of Carcosa. And I'm sure it's going to happen to Carcosa, too, because it happens to almost every band. We're, like, you're doing something. It's going well. It keeps going well.

And then all of a sudden it doesn't go. And you're like, fuck, now what do we do? Or what do I do? And being willing to accept like, okay, this isn't something people are into anymore. I've got to try other things and being willing to have an open mind and be like, okay, like what else can I try? And understanding that it's like if you just keep trying stuff, eventually something, hopefully it will work.

In my case, it has worked. But yeah, I've had to basically like reinvent my YouTube channel like so many times because it's like, oh, this type of concert is working. working working and it's dead fuck okay now what I guess I'm gonna try this no that didn't work try this no that didn't work try this oh that did work I'll just do that forever five years later that doesn't work anymore now this this this so you kind of just always have to be trying new things and seeing what works and what doesn't and there's this like really dumb not dumb there's like this artistic or musical brain thing that musicians do where they're like very

against doing the same thing twice you know what I mean because like I think a lot of if people or musicians especially like they're like well I did this so I don't want to do it again because I've already done it and for content creation it's kind of ironic because that you can't have that mindset like again look at our stupid breakdown call of videos where it's like at first when we did that I was like well we already did that why would we do it again but then if you do it it's like well people liked it so why would you not do it again it's just like changing your mindset and being willing to be like this is what people like therefore I'll do it more and also having a purpose Like the purpose of those is like I want people to see these laugh and hopefully if they actually like metal then they will go to Carcosa or my channel or whatever the case may be

But it's like you want to funnel them to the things you actually care about maybe Repetition legitimizes yes yes seems like it sounds like you guys just didn't stop You know maybe without knowing you like you you train yourself to have an open mind That's so important well very very important. Well yeah well it's like Why, even just in life in general, why live life with blinders? When there's so much shit to see, there's so many things to experience. Like, life, love, food, fucking clothes, anything. Like, open your mind and you're going to have a lot better time.

Like, if you live in life like this, you're seeing one thing forever, but you go like this and it's like, holy shit. Well, and it's also why it's nice being in a band because we all like different things. Like, it comes out in our music as well where it's like you listen to way different music that I do to some degree. Same with you. single person in this band listens to different things. When you put all those things together, it makes something new. Yeah. Well, I'm like, why not take a chance on songwriting as well?

You get fucking bored eventually. You get in a cycle and you're like, maybe I do want to do clean vocals on a song. It's great. Like, why not? And I also think, like, in terms of that, you know, Death Corps is different now too and you can get away with a lot more shit. It's not as pigeonholie as it used to be. It's not as like, you do this and you are a Death Corps band. Do the Roar.

If you do anything else, you are no longer that. You're a metalcore now if you have a clean chorus, right? Or whatever the fuck. Yeah. But, like, I just think, like, being open to even fielding those ideas and incorporating other genres or whatever into your music. Or even, like, Cooper can attest to this, but, like, in terms of merch style and, like, instead of just doing the traditional, like, scary logo with blood and guts, like, why don't

we focus more on doing streetwear, like, corn, you know, like, that kind of stuff and going in that direction and trying to branch our brand out to a more broad audience as opposed to like really centering in on the niche you know why not just like let's spread this shit out i do love corn but it's important yeah it's like this thing that we were saying about adapting and self-awareness and knowing when to try new things and knowing when some things aren't working and it's like being self-critical is really important in being in a band because it's easy for you to maybe like fixate on this one thing that you did well and then like just think that everything that you're going to do after that will do well but it's really important to be able to be self-critical for sure

yeah like you don't want to become a one who wonder right yeah yeah true you guys are so like ahead of the game you know like like we you know this couple guys on my banner is so like overcritical they won't self-criticize right and when you're around that it fucking it sucks dude right So just to hear you guys talk about, like, that in that way, like, have, like, the open mind to be able to try a shit out and have, you know, be so critical. You know, it's, it's so important, man. And then that's a big mistake that we made in our career. So it's very, it's very refreshing to hear that. We learned that as well.

You know, when in our previous band, we thought, you know, we shouldn't change names and we wanted to stick with that. And we felt very comfortable with it. But it reached a point where we were like, you know what? It's a big risk, but the reward for that will be much bigger than, you know, the potential of just sticking around for this. Sure. Yeah. Well, no, flip side of that, too. I think everybody also struggles with being too self-critical.

I know, like, everybody in this band, we've all had our own issues that we make out to be way worse than what we think they are. Of course. The band's over. Not bad. Oh, my girlfriend. Yeah. Well, it's like going back to, like, my Instagram videos, I can show you every single one and tell you 55 mistakes where a year or two ago, I would have never posted that video, but I think a lot of people have, at least in this band, we've all gotten very good at finding the line of being content, but getting to a point where we're still happy with the product.

Yeah. Yeah, for real. He's got a fucking post. You got a post. Honestly, dude, commitment and frequency, just like consistency. Yeah. That's all it is. That's kind of what I was saying about the musician brain, though.

It's like you, the musician in you wants to be like, I want this to be the best quality, highest thing. Everything's perfect, blah, blah, blah, blah. and I get that, but it's like, the way that I finally was able to make this all work and become a full-time YouTuber was like separating, like, this is music, Carcosa, and this is my content. And the strategies behind both are not the same. The way I treat them is not the same. Like, Carcosa is like, yeah, this is like our music, which is as perfect as possible written by all of us. And like, this is like the final product. We've worked on this for months and months and months.

This is what I want you to see. and my YouTube channel is like sometimes those videos are done in like two hours and I'm like yeah see what happens yeah it's like a different mindset for both pieces of the puzzle I guess you could say yeah and like a lot of people reach out and ask questions like how how do I become a content creator or like how do we get to the level that you guys are at or whatever do it for 10 years and it's like just you just got a post man like and you can't the thing is like a lot of kids and like Travis can attest everybody can but like everybody compares themselves to other people a lot. And they're like, if I'm not doing that, like if I don't shred like Jason Richardson,

if I don't play drums like Travis Barker, if I don't, if I'm not as loud and as crazy as Alex terrible, then I'm not good. But that's never the case. It's just like those guys I'll put in their 10,000 hours too. They looked at other people and they were like, I want to be like them. So if you look at it as more of like a driving factor, like I'm going to do what I can to get to what that. is like my idea of like being successful or sounding good or whatever then like let that motivate you as opposed to being like if I'm not that good if I'm not that good I shouldn't

even try but it's like you got to put out some shit that kind of sucks you can't be oh yeah before you start putting out some shit that's kind of dope you know it takes some time and you just got to be willing to put in that in the time and the grind because it's not just gonna for some people it works overnight good for them that's awesome Congratulations. But for the other people, like everybody else, like, we gotta fucking grind, you know? But even for the people that it does work overnight with,

that's kind of what I was saying is like being willing to change too. It's like there's been a lot of channels or musicians or bands or anything where like they have gotten that seemingly instant success, but the next challenge for them is like, how do you either replicate that or continue it? And that is a whole other challenge. Yeah. It's a hard part. Yeah.

And that's like a whole other task. Like just be, even if you do happen to get lucky or go viral, can you actually make that sustainable? Can you actually make a career out of this? Can you actually make your band? Like, and the answer is really fucking hard. I think long term, like getting viral immediately is probably harder because you get very pinging hold. You know, if you have out of nowhere a million people that know you for one very specific thing. It's really hard to do anything else, right?

Yeah. As where like for some of us, like, you know, we just fucking yell into the camera or play blast beats over her fucking Barbie girl. and people are like, cool, blast beats awesome rather than doing one specific gimmick. But it's like music too. It's like you write an awesome debut record and they're like, well, what are you going to do next? Do that forever but also do it different enough

that it's not the same, but also if it's too different, I don't like it. It's fucking frustrating because you're like, I want to grow and evolve, but then there's this audience of people being like, just do what you did and I'll be happy, but then there's other new fans being like, I don't know what your band is,

but I want to try and get into you. It's like this dichotomy, it's this balance. And then you're also trying not to let that get to you because you're like, I want to make what's true to myself because it's my music and it's a whole thing. I think that's always the best route to go though. Just fall on your head. Yeah, that's wonderful. It's very cute. Very cute.

It's a love story. It's got me this far, right? That's what it feels like, well. Just follow your heart. Hey man, you guys are fucking over here talking about strategies and I'm just like, I don't know, I just felt like doing this today. I just played drums since I was two. It's fine. When he started playing drums, actually?

Two years old. Two years old. These guys are going to roll. He's got you roll your eyes, but I got the photo somewhere. He posts the same photo every month of him playing drums when he was two. I've posted it like twice. Yeah. You better be good.

Well, you better judge him tonight. Just stare right in his fucking eyes and just put all the pressure on him. I still literally have no idea what I'm doing. So yeah. Oh, dude, same deal. Welcome to the club, man. You think I know what I'm doing now? You kidding?

My goodness. We're all guessing. Yeah, we're all just. Just play breakdown. No thoughts, break down. only was it? No thoughts. No thoughts. No thoughts. Just right.

210.210. Keep doing that. Yeah. Exactly right. Yeah. Oh, did I do a 0-1-200? Oh, damn it. Fuck. Yeah.

It's ruined. Yeah. That must be a... I wonder what it's like for people that truly know what they're doing. What do you mean? Like music theory? Yeah. Oh.

This is the funniest conversation this band has every time we write music. Let's go. I mean, I went... Is this you, too? That's me on my dad's drumming. Check that shit out. There you go. Two years old, dude, ripping.

Just shredding. That's very good. There you go. Lepin up, baby. Obsession. I'm not good at fucking literally anything else. It all bounce out. You're a really good scooter.

I think you need to give yourself more. Fair enough. Yeah. I'm ripping the scooter. Yeah. Johnny knows music theory. Nobody else does. Or you know, like,

to some. But Johnny's like, he went to school for this shit. He understands. at all. I don't know anything, dude. I learned guitar by learning suicide silence tab. So I'm like, I don't know what I'm fucking doing. I'm just copying this band, this man, and this band,

but combining all three to hopefully make something that's a little bit unique. I don't know. Maybe. It's probably not, but I'm trying. So I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I'm just like, yeah, here's this. And Johnny's like, yeah, it sounds like a E. Frigian something, something. And I'm like, tell me what notes on the fretboard to play

because I don't know what that means. And then I do, and it's fine. but there's a really healthy balance between like you don't have to know theory to do fucking anything honestly you don't a lot of people put a lot of pressure on themselves and like well maybe if i knew like scales or blah blah blah it would be better it's like ah there's a there's a real benefit in just writing with feel and like even though i have theory knowledge when i write music i write with feel first like i never even like Andrew hates this but when i when i write one songs i write everything in one four. I have no, I don't do

4-4, I don't put any time signatures on, I just do 1-4, and I just write whatever I feel. If there's crazy shit going on, I'll figure it on. Andrew will do it. Andrew will figure it out. He'll figure it out later. That goes for me too. Yeah, but I just like, I don't want to bound myself to being like, well, I have to write this and e-fridging, and if it's not

effrigion, then I'm going to be fucking pissed. I don't care. Like, I don't... But you do to some degree, because then I'll be like, what if we do this riff, and you're like, that's not in key? And I'm like, so... Sometimes. It's so good. Oh, we've been finding the truth.

But then our solution is like, all right, we'll just tune down the guitar even lower that. And then we come back to pitch shifting and then we just fix all that. Carcosa exposed radio. Oh, my goodness. But, yeah, sometimes I'm like, playing with the rules is fun and, you know, it makes sense. And it's more of like I use any kind of theory knowledge more for songwriting and like structuring. Structuring to me is more important than anything else. How you structure a song.

What is the flow like? how do you get to these points how do you build to these points yeah that is an art in itself and that doesn't necessarily require theory at all yeah that's like a just a feel thing like in one of our last songwriting sessions we did we literally took a uh chelsea grin song and we stretched it out to a different tempo not the exact same tempo that it was at and we literally just divided it up you know via structure so like first course and because we really liked how the song flowed yeah and then we put it in a session we got rid of the song and then kind of just like like wrote to our own skeleton of like the structure of a song to try and like because you can puzzle

the pieces you don't have to write everything in order you can write your bridge first and then work backwards very true write your course first and work out of your course or sometimes you write an intro and you're like I already know where the song is going from here so it's kind of nice to just play with those tools but yeah like whatever you know theory or you don't it doesn't really matter look at like misha mansour like from periphery like he doesn't know theory he's just writing whatever the fuck you wants and it sounds cool so So, yeah. Do it up.

It definitely works. I just love fucking with you. Yeah, it's fun. Andrews. The key of E. Last tour ever. Come see him now. Last tour.

Holy shit. Get smarter. So actually, one, one quick question for you, Johnny. Talking to any kind of musician that does not know a theory that does, you know, like, does what, like, what we do. Yeah. You know, how would you, what would you? what will you say, hey, maybe try learning this.

So maybe like you're talking to me. Right, right. Well, the way that I would apply it to people that want to actively learn theory is it's the thing that I think turns a lot of people away from like getting into it is it feels very methodical and it feels like school. And you're like, I don't want to just like basically learn music math. Like this isn't exciting. This isn't fun.

I'm just like learning about numbers and letters and I don't actually know what they. mean. So my recommendation to people that want to get into it is find a way to apply it to something that interests you. So like if there's a song that you really like and you're like, I want to know why this song feels this way, you can literally figure out what mode they used in that song and be like, oh, like these are the notes that they're using to create this feeling. And then you're like, I'm going to try and use that mode. And then you learn about the mode. You learn about what notes they are. And then you're like, I'm going to apply that to my own thing. You know, like, do things that excite you because then it'll, like, learning about it will be a lot more exciting than just being like A flat, B flat, like looking at, like, reading sheet music and stuff. Like, that shit's boring. But if you're doing it to a song that you love, you already know inside and out,

it just gives better context. And then it gives you the tools to maybe use what you learned and put it in, you know, a different context, right? interesting i like how how you put it towards uh oh you know learn put it towards a song that you already know and love yeah you know i do the same thing this uh learn a song you like you love yeah because it's like you don't feel like you're practicing no you're just having fun and then you're understanding why you're you like it or like like i said like modes and stuff like scales and all of that all of those are feelings more than anything like like phrygian makes you feel

like you're in Egypt or something, right? Like, that is a particular feeling. Like, minor makes you feel sad. Major makes you feel happy. You know, like, that's all they are at the end of the day is just vibes. Yeah. Or you could look at a guitar pro tab.

Or you could just breed tabs. Andrew's pissed. So mad, dude. So fucking salty. So mad. Yeah, how do you guys, how do you guys come together and, like, write, what's that the writing process like?

Um, one of, yeah, usually what happens is like the three of us will write the music and then we'll give the files to Travis without drums. Because like, we're all used to writing our own songs individually. So like when you write a song, you write drums as well. Yeah. But like that's not really fair for Travis because we give him a demo. And it's like, well, these are the drums. And then he tries to change it. We're like, well, no.

I'm in a fucking band with three guitar players that have programmed drums. Yeah. So it could be kind of difficult. But yeah, so pretty much like the three of us will. get together. Recently what we've done is we'll take like, I don't know, like a three day period of time and be like everyone come to my house and we'll just stay here for three days and raise as much as possible.

And we'll basically just literally hand each other a guitar and it's like, who has an idea? Record it. And like if sometimes there's like something where like, I'm like, I have this like riff idea and I'm recorded and I'm like, cool, that's like 10 seconds. No idea where to go from here. And Johnny's like, that's in the key of blah, blah, blah, blah. No, I'm kidding. And Johnny's like, cool, yeah, that sounds dope.

What if we do this underneath or like, oh, that's a really good part for, I don't know, that could be a chorus later, so let's move that aside for now and load if we had this for the intro, Cooper will take it and be like, oh, that's sick, but what if this lead was over top of it, blah, blah, blah, blah. So it's kind of just the three of us pretty much just like trading around a guitar, sitting there and recording and writing like very loose drums to it. And then eventually when we decide we're happy with the structure of the song, we give a drumless version to Travis, and Johnny will take the instrumental and record the first and last take of

vocals basically for the demo and yeah yeah when i when i record vocals for a song usually like every carcust song you've heard that has vocals that's the first time i recorded them and that's the last take like i don't write i don't write things and then go back and redo them sometimes that might be a problem but like i'm very much like i'm going with my gut like if this is the first thing i do and that's just like what i'm feeling i'm like that's what it is i'm not changing it uh that's just my vocal process anyways, but like, yeah, we're three very different songwriters, and I think that works out really well.

Like I said, I focus a lot on structure, more than anything. It could be simple caveman fucking riffs, but like, if the whole song is just that, like, it's boring. I want dynamics. Like, I want to build to something. I want to create emotion. And Cooper brings in such a unique thing that I, you know,

not a lot of bands have is like Cooper loves film scores. He can talk about it more. But like, he brings in all the post effects that really fills out the sonic landscape of what Carcosa is. Once Cooper is done

doing what he does, it's a totally different song, yeah. And that's it. It can definitely feel quite a bit different. You're right. In a good way,

I mean, yeah, yeah. It's just like kind of vibes going back to that, right? You have a song that's in a certain key

and it's like you might have melodies, you might have guitar riffs that all work within that key, but I feel like it adds just another layer. It's not like

it wouldn't be good on its own, but to add another layer of you add effects or like extra maybe like background like hints of melodies and I'll do like a thing that's common in hip hop as well as sampling so I'll use a like a sampling software and pitch shift like movie trailer hits or like swells or like all these random sound effects and make them all work within key and even if you listen to the song without the drums and the guitars it still kind of works on like a melodic level where you can actually here there's a rhythm and there's a structure there with the the melodies that are

underneath. Cooper's nickname in our group chat is Hans Zimmer. Because he's like he's essentially the the film score of our band. Yeah. Which is great. Yeah. So, but he also writes like riffs as well. Yeah. Don't, don't get us wrong. But yeah, definitely like, yeah, it's crazy as fuck. Because sometimes we'll give a demo to Cooper and we'll get it back like a month later and be like, oh, fuck. Oh, this is what the song actually should sound like. Oh, there's a 45-second long orchestral outro to this song. Interesting.

That's new. Watch the song for it. But yeah, like, moving forward in our writing process, like, I feel bad because Travis is a fantastic drummer and we want to actually utilize his talents and abilities. And, like, you know, I want to shout out our producer that we worked with for almost all of our stuff. Ty Kingston. He, you know, he produced all of our music. at a dummy low rate, which is fucking insane because he's so talented.

But he also did a lot of drum programming that made the drums feel a lot more alive and real. Which I think was a good thing for us because it wasn't like very stereotypical death chord drums where they're like to a grid perfect, like crazy, you know, clicky kick

and stuff. Like it felt it felt natural for being programmed drums. But moving forward like we want to get Travis in the studio and actually record a drummer. Like we just haven't had the budget for it until now. Shit's expensive. It's expensive.

Yeah. Well, it's like going back to how, you know, we record and write all everything, ourselves other than mixing. So, like, the only reason we can afford to do all the things we've done is because we record ourselves. And unfortunately, we just don't know how to record drums. Well, and at the same time, like, I've sat down with them. And, like, for certain songs, we've sat down and gone through every note of a whole

song. And I'll just, like, tell them, like, okay, no move this here, do that, do this. I'll just, like, sit on a table and try and figure out drum fills. But then when it comes to, time to actually us sitting down in a practice room and playing the songs, it changes immediately. Because as soon as I'm behind a drum kit and I'm like feeling things rather than sitting at a desk, just trying to think of what the drum part is. Because again, I have no idea what I'm fucking doing.

Yeah. It always changes. But for the most recent song that we're releasing, this time, yeah, they sent me an instrumental track. And I just like filmed a video with like two microphones, like kick and an overhead and sent it to Johnny. And he went through like every note that I played, like reprogrammed it into the song. Oh, wow. So that works and if we can't afford to do like live drums then that'll work and do work just fine But live drums would be sick yeah I want to ask about your writing process

I know you're asking us questions but I want to ask you as well We're interviewing you know what is what is I know I know I know I'm also curious And this is Johnny Ponsorne Possible what I mean what is like the recent writing process been like for you It's the same yeah same since uh since the cleansing since the demos as we get in the We're actually writing our music in the same garage. Wow. That's crazy. That's crazy.

Fucking awesome. We're just live. We're just fucking playing shit for 10 minutes and then hopefully a rip hits and then you'll kind of build around it. Yeah. I cannot imagine writing that way. Yeah. It's such a two different worlds, man, like entirely.

But it comes across in the music because it's so raw. It feels so fucking real. Yeah. I'd love to hear the bands are still doing shit that way. Because like growing up with my dad, like listen to fucking Van Halen. I was like, that's how music's made. So joining this band was like, no, no, no. Cleet 180 for me.

I was like, what do you mean? We don't learn the song until it's already on Spotify. Like, what are you talking about it? Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. I love hearing that especially bands in this genre still do that. That's fucking awesome.

It confuses me because I'm used to everything being perfect because that's what I grew up with. And then when I, you know, try to cover your suit, I sound. I'm like, what is the tempo of this song? And it's like, oh, there is no tempo. The drummer just kind of did whatever you want. I fucking love that so much. Going. Yeah.

Like that's, yeah, it is very rare to see that now. It's like slip knot and you guys and, like, maybe a couple of other bands I've ever covered where I've put the song into my you know, dawn and been like, oh, I have no idea how to figure this out because it's not... Body snatcher, man. Yeah, body snatcher and knock loose.

They're both. Yeah, true, true, true. I think that's... I think that style is coming back a little bit more where Ben's don't want this perfect thing anymore, which is cool. Which is sick. It was really oversaturated for a while to be fair, so... It works both ways, for sure. Definitely. I think, yeah, I mean, just to throw my opinion in there.

Yeah, real... Real quick, I think if every band should make a decision and do shit as far as longevity. Long and wide. You know, whatever it's best for your band, think of it as like a long longevity. You know, we do the same thing. People will do something. People will hate it. But for me, I think about it like, I don't really care because I'm looking 10 years ahead of you.

I'm looking 20 years ahead of you. Where am I going to be when I'm 50 playing? shows. You know, make any a song or record, sometimes you got to put out a stinker.

You have to. Yeah. Whatever it works for your band, which surprisingly is hard to do. Figuring out what's best for

you and your band, it's, it's, no, I don't have the answer for that. A lot of, uh,

uh, intro, uh, inspection and just knowing, knowing who you are. Mm-hmm. You know, that's kind of,

it always kind of ties into, like, the writing process, you know, like, you know, know what's best for us but uh in a in a perfect world i'd like to see a band combining like uh like uh the future because to me i'm like i like i like spreading like the eras like this

like you're about the fuck you're just like or or like a pit you're like boom yeah i like you use the old school shit that works boom but you also use the extreme future stuff but combined it now i don't think each side is better than than other coming from like an old school band i don't think the old school is better than what Carcosa is doing. There's a, when you find that balance of what's happening because I've been like you guys, you're very on the pulse, which to me like that, I mean, that's very inspiring.

I wanted the same thing. So basically like, we're trying to like, by trying to convince the guys and stop being a bunged jaded. And like, you basically like, you know, you can combine the, both. There's strengths in both sides. Yeah, for sure. There's a million different ways to get to the same result. Dude.

Oh, yeah. And there's no right way. It's confusing. Yeah. Just give me a formula. Come on. No formula. No formula.

No formula, only hard work. There's no guitar pro tab for that beta. Fuck. No. Holy shit. Do we open up a beef box? A philosophical question. Yes.

Yeah, there's no guitar pro tab that will save you from life. No guitar pro tabs. Just breakdowns. Yeah, shit, that's a box to be open. Life, man. Life and putting your life into the music. Yeah. You know, I think that's what I think we're all doing with them,

I mean, not even knowing. Oh, yeah. You know? I mean, everything I've ever written for this band is usually incredibly personal. It's just kind of, I want to feel what we're playing. You know, it's very easy to write about blood and guts and killing and shit, but like it's also,

it's hard to write about real things that have happened and emotions and stuff like that. But I think that in writing about those things, it's cathartic for yourself. Sure. And it's cathartic for other people that have gone through similar things. And that's like kind of not necessarily a thing that's predominant in Deathcore. It is now. But back in the day, it really wasn't. It was very much like writing about one or a select few particular topics.

But I would say that's something that we've borrowed from Hardcore is like writing about real shit. that like feels genuine. And like I, that's the only kind of music I want to write is like stuff that feels emotional. Like whether that's like a sad emotion or just like fucking piss. Like if it's heavy, it's heavy. If it's emotionally heavy, it's emotionally heavy. Like the last song on our record like absent, we played that song at two festivals and I never want to play it again. I just really don't.

It's an emotional song that I wrote about a particular. situation that affects all of us, which is like losing friends to suicide and mental health. And I wrote a concept record about it. And that's the final part of the story. I just, I can't, I can't do it. It's too much. Like, I just don't, it's hard to go back and relive those moments and think about it. But at the same time, it's cathartic to write about those things. And for people that came to see us at those festivals, like somebody in our scene had passed the way, Matt Depper, and it was a really emotional thing for everybody who was there to hear that song, and it was just like, it hit home. And I'm glad that we did it, but like, I can't,

I can't do it again. Like, it's just too much. But I'll always write music that's from an emotional place because I need to feel it. I can't do anything else, you know. Unless it's about Star Wars. Unless it's about Star Wars. I saw you, like, smile. I was like, the whole time I was like, this motherfucker. Yeah, I did write a song about Star Wars. You'll hear tonight is the first song we're going to play. Yeah. But like, that's like a one-off song, but I like to think about a concept. Everything else is very serious. It is.

And kill Bill. And Kill Bill. Yeah, that's true. So that's like your daddy. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

It's like, we can't play this song ever again. The only fucking reason we played it is because we didn't have enough music for those slots. It's true. Yeah. They offered that slot to us the year before. And at that point, we only had the EPO. We got like, we got like, fucking 18 music music. We can't headline.

So then a year later, we had a few more. songs out but we I mean it was like a 50 minute slot and I think we played like 43 every song we ever every song we ever had and it was still only like 43 minutes yeah and we're like we'll just Johnny just talk for seven minutes yeah the weather we just suck it up and play the song that makes you sad all right what what are you going to do one that's going to be in the like like requested what are you going to do we do we do we do get requested that we play it like I remember posting no no I don't want to play it either just to be clear but

Yeah, like we post on our, you know, Facebook or whatever, like, what songs do you want to hear us play? And there are a lot of people that want us to play that song. But, like, straight up, I'll just post with the band account. Like, we are not playing that song ever again. Oh, now, now you're adding to the mystery to it. Yeah. Well, now people are going to want to hear it more. Now it's field of the fire.

Maybe. It's fun. I can suck it up. No, but I think. But to people who like us, their credit, like, a lot of people understand why we don't want to play it. Because they obviously know what it's about. if you read the lyrics. Like, they can't it.

So, I don't know. It's a tricky one for sure. Maybe we'll make a deal with the people. If you can give us a stadium tour, sold out every day. We'll fucking play that song 10 times in a row. Oh, my God. Shooting for the stars. Jesus.

Yeah, we'll just open for Slipknot and then we'll play it. No, no, slip non's going to open for us and we'll play. Oh, my God. Then we'll play that song. Nah. No, I'll fucking book it. Dude, what's up? Holy shit.

Give me 10% you fuck. Speaking of Slipknot Is that signed Paul Gray photo That was my That was my first time ever meeting somebody That I loved That was like 2008 So like right before fuck man

Yeah Yeah I keep looking at that That's incredible Yeah I got like a little emotional story About Slipknot around that time I love Slipknot They're like my favorite band ever And in 2009

Like I think 2009 2009 is the year Paul passed away Was it 2009, 2010 Around there Jay can you look up, uh... It's not like super important, but more or less, um, I had tickets to the All Hope is gone to her, and that was like around peak Slipknot for me in middle school. And, uh, I ended up getting the H1N1 swine flu two days before the show.

No, that's swine? And I had had the tickets for like nine months. My dad had got him for my birthday. And the day before the show, I got sent home from school. So I never got to see Joey or Paul live. That would have been the one time. I didn't get to even see Slipknot live again until 2015 when they had Jay on the kit. who's an incredible drummer of course but yeah I totally missed out seeing my heroes it sucked

yeah so I saw that and I was like that's so fucking cool man 2010 Paul Paul Gray passed passed the way May 24 2010 I remember exactly I was 12 years old I was at the zoo with my mom when my dad phoned and he was like you tell Travis this just happened I'm like well that'll ruin your yeah yeah well fuck the zoo anyways yeah that's that made it worse yeah rough times God bless us all Yeah man We just hear how sick he was Him and Joey both man

Yeah you hear about like his riffs Dude You know Yeah Arguably it might be You know A favorite riffer Literally I mean

I can imagine the amount A riffs he wrote Obviously I don't want to put words In Slamat's mouth Because there's a lot of inside shit Of course Yeah I see going back back and forth

But from what I hear He does a lot of writing And Talk about one of like Like part of part of soul when you're when someone passed away that's part of soul man it's so fucking hard to yeah yeah it's uh it's tough well and same with like joey when he left the band i know joey had a big hand in production and like riff writing and um i mean the new slipnot's still fucking great of course

but you can definitely tell us different same with like avenge sevenfold when the rev passed he wrote a lot of if you look back at their like hits from the middle era he was he wrote all of those songs so yeah it's always interesting it's really unfortunate but it's also great that we still have the music to listen to, you know? I'm fully behind that, yeah, I'd rather the bands still exist as long as they want to do it. Of course. Of course. Of course. You know, well, I might, I might be biased,

but yeah, I like, I like what bands go on. I guess so. Man, fucking, what a, that's such bad luck when it's Paul and Joey die. Boy, that fucking sucks, dude. It's crazy. I often, the Joey thing in particular because it's still, like, fresh, too. Hey, Jay, when did Joey passed away?

July 28th, 2021. Oh, you know the fucking... I believe. 26. 26, fuck. I'm not real fans. There you go. I fucking...

From these guys, I was in the middle of like a busy ass fucking mall. Like, I have so much shit to do today. I'm not going to get done. And I just opened my phone in the middle of the walkway. And I just stopped. And I was like, oh, my fucking God. I was just not ready for that message. Worst feeling when that shit happens.

Yeah. Well, I mean, like the year that I got the swine flu and I wasn't able to see him. I dressed as Joey for Halloween that year. My mom, like, got a blank mask and did Sharpie and, like, did the whole thing. So, I don't, they'll never do this fucking video that he's pulling up right here. There's no video. Do you. No, no, this is the, uh, when he plays I-lis or whatever.

Oh, this is fucking. I've probably not watched any fucking solo more than this. Fucking crank it, dude. Recipe's Joey. Yes. He's drumming along. What a fucking, look at that fucking windmill. Immaculate.

Oh, my God. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, man Slipknot changed fucking everything for me To this day I mean even now they put out a record And there's at least a couple songs I'm just like holy shit

And I mean it's worth mentioning Jay is like easily fulfilling the drum legacy Of that band that guy's a fucking monster Jay's already a legend in the making dude It's crazy Absolutely If you're a Slipmont You gotta be one of the top drummers on the planet

Yeah Jay's fucking incredible dude Fucking sweetheart too From what I heard That's true Yeah sweet guy Fuck yeah drums these guys are like this fucking guys hijacking the podcast

I'm talking about drums No even just slip down in general how much They've influenced our entire genre Everybody of course Like a band like spite Like they owe a lot of their sound To Slipknot and it sounds fucking awesome

Even Slaughter to Prevail it's the same thing Of course I constantly say I'm like I don't know if they'll ever be a band That's bigger than Slipknot It's heavier than them Like it's kind of like they feel They did bring blast beats to the radio The fucking radio

They did yeah People shit on volume 3 all the time but I personally my my conch it on them yeah my personal controversial opinion is that I think overall volume 3 is way better than Iowa oh my Iowa slaps I love volume 3 but volume 3 as far as like everything considered Corey doesn't even swear on the whole album really because people were like oh he just is an edgy guy that uses the fucking screaming and shit and fuck and bad words and so he just wrote the whole album you know how we were just talking about censoring your YouTube channel I'm kidding yeah shit fuck but yeah I think

Volume 3 is fucking perfect. Yeah. It is. We were just talking about it, like, a few weeks ago. Oh, the new metal thing I saw that. That's like the record where it is actually a masterpiece. It's fucking perfect. Fun thing is my favorite as well.

Following, like, immediately after Joey's death, I really went into, like, a heavy, like, Slipknot Renaissance. And re-listened to Volume 3, I was like, I fucking forgot how good. Every song is so good. Yeah. Do they want a Grammy for that record? They did. They have to. Yeah, they did for before I forget, I think.

Yeah. Jay, pull it up to slip my win a Grammy for volume 3 And then people don't talk about All Hope is gone But for me at least That's a great record

Very nostalgic for me Because I mean That came out Around the time I was 10 years old And that was like One of the first metal CDs I ever bought

So I have like a very Personal attachment Should I tell a story I don't know Um Fuck yeah you should Okay Right when

When that record Was about the drop We were on that Mayam Festival like the first one was slip on and disturbed and the record was an out yet and fucking clown and Sean was always creeping around

our set that was like the first time like someone's washing her oh my god oh my god yeah he came on where we were and played the whole record and brought a fat blunt fuck and we all and I'm on a smoker at that point I'm not a smoker yeah but if it's Sean

it's like snoot dog can you but you're like I'm not going to say no to that I'm gonna let go yeah whatever happens I don't give a fuck And yeah, we just, he fucking, Fuck. At that time, like, Buses had CD players. So he pre-bought a blank CD, put it in. That's sick.

And then from Open, we also thought to pass around his fat joint. And what a fucking, that was my first time hearing one of my favorite band's music before it came out. Nice. And it's high as high as fuck. I understand what people don't love that record, but I will go down every time when this comes up is fucking Jamatria. That second song is, like, the most under.

underrated Slipknot song. How do you say? Gematria? Oh, wow. I don't know how to pronounce it. I don't know how to pronounce it. I know like the killing name in brackets. Sure.

Oh yeah, yeah. That fucking song. What are an awesome experience though. That's so cool. That's fucking. Pull the truth from my heart. I mean, that is. Talk about like the fucking guy behind a scenes clown is.

People, you know, growing up, I used to listen to Slipknot and being a drummer, I like understood the drums that were happening. I was like, why the fuck are the three of these guys? Like half the people in this band don't do anything. Sure. But now, like, as a more experienced music listener and being involved in processes, like, if you put on high-quality headphones now, first of all, you will hear all nine people doing something. And then also being involved in a band, you get to, like, oh, that guy maybe doesn't write all the fucking music all the time.

But he's, like, the producer of it decides where the parts go where. Or in clown's fucking case, like, he's, like, pretty much the creative director for everything that happens. The vision. The fucking psychopath behind it. You kind of have to be, right? Like, endless respect to that guy. Everyone has their role, man. Whether there's four people in your band or nine hundred.

Sean is such a legend, dude. My goodness. If I could pick one guy that I could talk to, it would be clown. Hell yeah. Because you can just uncover like the deep slip knot shit. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

Dude, shout out the clown, dude. Holy moly. Shut out. Great, great guy, man. I mean, they're all great. I'm going to listen to a shit low slip knot. second we get out of here. Oh my goodness.

One last question and then you guys get it. Is load ins right now? Oops. Oh shit. Whoops. That's all good. Oh, fuck. I'm sorry, guys. Oh, I don't care.

It was just flowing. I try to stop it soon, but... Don't worry, man. If there's one reason for us to be late to load in. I'll take this one. It's either this, but the one that would talk this is smoking a blunt with clown when the show's on the release album.

No, you're good, man. Oh, my goodness, dude. When you guys dropped Nihilus, I loved the promo before I came out That was fucking genius I love the vibe Who's the deal was that That was mine

Because I I just love corny movie trailers Yeah I fucking love them And like I mean that music video is just all pop culture references So I was like Yeah This is easy enough to just do as like a movie trailer thing

So I got my My buddy Adam Who is a professional voice actor on TikTok he goes by Noble Son. Cool. And I was like can I get you to do the

narration for this? Because you got that voice like you're you're totally primed and you know what's up. And he's like oh yeah, no problem. And he did it and he nailed it. But I have a vocal demo with me doing it. I still have it. Yeah, it's pretty fucking weird. In a world.

But yeah, I just like I don't know. I love that stuff. And it's also just not like a typical like songs coming out in two days. And it's just like the song or whatever. Big things coming. Yeah. Like what we do. It's fucking dumb.

No, but like if you have that content with those visual, like you can use them for sure. But this was just like a something a little bit different. That was like, I think people will buy you. Fuck you. I was watching. I was laughing. I'm like, oh my goodness. But that's the goal.

And it's like, we have, we have 20 bucks. Yeah. But like, why not just? honest and genuine about shit. Like we're talking about being genuine humans on the internet. Like, I wear my shit on my sleeves. You know, I'm a fucking idiot. So I'm just always about that.

And I feel like that's something that we really channel into our social media is like, we're just fucking idiot kids like everybody else. Just wait until you hear your stage banter. Yeah, my stage ban. It's just not that deep. Nothing is that. Well, it is. It is.

It is. But we also just don't take ourselves too seriously. And I think it's just all about having a good time, you know? Yeah. I think the scene is especially like the dead course scene needs bands. bands like you guys where it's just like lighthearted but still serious

you know you guys add value to the genre you know it's badass really appreciate thank you so much that means a lot that means a lot it's too much negativity

you just gotta have fun yeah yeah yeah yeah well thank you for for being here thank you for making a drive I know you guys have a business schedule I know it's only like the second day yeah it's all good man

shit's still kind of chaotic we're always gonna make time for this we'll make time for you appreciate it Oh, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Well, where can people find you guys?

Anywhere on the internet, Instagram, TikTok, whatever is at Carcosa, BC. Carcosa, BC. All right, everyone, that's it. Check them out. They're on tour right now. Holy moly. Thank you. Thanks, Chris.

Thank you. Thank you.