Garza Podcast - 72 - SUNAMI: Bay Area Hardcore

Episode Date: April 3, 2023

Garza sits down with Bay Area hardcore band Sunami. If you love heavy slams. Check them out! sunami408.bandcamp.com/album/sunami SPONSORS: https://www.martyrstore.net Promo Code: GARZA 10% OFF! Sunami is: Josef Alfonso - Vocals Michael Durt - Guitar Theo - Bass Benny Eissmann - Drums TIME CODES: 00:00 - Seeing Pantera in Colombia 03:52 - New Generation of Hardcore Kids at Shows & Chain Reaction 08:02 - Theo & Joseph Met at a Show 10:20 - Being Introverted 12:50 - Sunami Started on a Whim in the Bay Area 16:25 - Crazy First Show 23:00 - Crazy Second Show & Real Bay Shit Outdoor Fest (RBS) 32:45 - Releasing New Music Freely 35:00 - Writing an LP is Stressful 38:20 - Inspired by East Coast Hip Hop (Big L) 40:30 - Having a 90s Sound, Suffocation & Morrisound Recordings 47: 14 - Power of DMs 49:20 - Being Straightedge 54:25 - Suicide Silence Friends While Coming Up in the Scene 59:00 - The Bay Area Hardcore Scene is Strong 01:02:30 - Cannibal Corpse’s Rig Rundown, Peavey 5150s, Marshalls & Mesa Triple Rectifiers 01:08:45 - The Sunami Hammer  01:11:44 - Big G Profile Pic

There's 2,000 people outside. Felt like OzFest. That looks insane. He had the name, Tsunami, like, seriously, like, a decade in. Whoa. And then there we were, you know, let's do this, like, a crazy, ignorant band. Like, we went to my house, like, and, like, just, like, design the dumbest shirt possible, which was the first shirt that we ever printed.

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Well, holy moly, good morning. We got tsunami. Live as fuck. Hell yeah. Good to see you guys, man. Likewise. Thanks for having us. Yeah, thank you.

I've been hearing a lot about your band, so I'm honored this to be around you guys. It's crazy, huh? That is crazy. I was just hanging out with Benny and Columbia. It was cool. Yeah, that was one of the craziest days of my life. I'm not going to lie to you. Dude, you saw Pantera.

Yeah, and you. Dude, in Colombia. Don't do that. Don't do that now. Dude, how insane was Pantera? That was sick, dude. I never even thought I would see them in my lifetime, honestly. Who did?

Me either. I was blown away that we even had that opportunity. So I take it that was your first time seeing him, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I missed him, dude. I tried to see him when I was 12. But the show in L.A. around here was sold out. And I went outside with a friend. And we try to look at like scalplers, try to like talk to people, but they were trying to rip us off. We know we're 13 and just didn't work out. But then we had our mom, my friends von driver us back to Corona and then we ended up seeing Throwdown. Oh, way better.

Even cool. Yeah. And that started this whole, that's not my first time seeing like the band and that. I never heard that music before. It's like, I was just like, let's fly by this venue I keep hearing about from high school, showcase. And then throw down his plane. And that changed my life. So, Pantara keeps doing it, man.

Yeah. Yeah. You know? That was an impressive show. I remember at one point the ground was shaking from everybody jumping. Oh, just jumping. In sync. But I thought there was an earthquake going on, or I thought I had vertigo or something.

Because I felt, I felt wobbly. And I realized there was everybody jumping to the Pantara riff. Are you sure you weren't just too high? I'm positive. I know that's a believable theory. But I'm too high regularly, and I was chilling. I actually wasn't that high in Columbia. Really?

Nah. He was a little skis. I'm scared to do illegal activities. I was being a good boy. I was on my good behavior out there. Did you just go straight to the other stuff or what's up? No, no, no, no. No, no, just coffee.

Just coffee and Pantera. That's all you need out there. Yeah, it does get kind of dice when you want to smoke, but I'm in a different part of the world. I have no idea how it works. I'm the only person in the band who smokes also. Really? Yeah, so I'm never trying to inconvenience everybody,

especially if we're with homies and stuff. like, oh, I got to find weed before we do this, you know? Yeah. I'm the only fiend here, so. Yeah. But for your mind, I, fuck, I blew it. I forgot to tell you that you're allowed to be in here and smoke and watch you. I mean, I have all my stuff, but we'll do this and we can smoke later.

Okay, sure. Beautiful. So, so you guys' first show was yesterday here. Yeah. Yeah, I chain. Yeah, chain. So I hear it was awesome. Fuck, yeah.

I have a sick. A lot of new kids. There's a lot of young kids in the crowd whenever we play L.A. I love it. I love it. Yeah. A lot of new faces. But it's cool. Do you think it's like a new generation of like hardcore fans coming in? Yeah, personally. Definitely. And it's just like all sprouted like after the pandemic too. So it's kind of like weird what their starting point is. Like I don't really quite.

I don't know where it came from. But they're coming in like like boatloads, dude. It's sick. I think TikTok helped a lot. I'm going to say it's got to be TikTok and social media and everything. Especially you guys, you have such like a deep-rooted history with like the Bay Area and San Jose and East Bay and like basically over half your lives going to, you know, shows, you know, around there and like seeing like a whole part. It's probably a trip seeing like a whole new like generation and a group of people coming out to. That's what I mean. We notice all the new faces at all the shows, you know? And it's cool.

It's really cool that kids like the music we're putting out. You guys are like, who the fuck are all these people? Yeah. Straight up. That's what I mean. I've been going to show it's all my life. Yeah. You've been going to show since what you were in like sixth grade?

Yeah, maybe like fifth grade, something like that. Yeah, I was like young. I was just like a little kid. I had no business being in like a room being like that violent. Groven feeding their shit out of kids. I mean, were you like sneaking out or what's? Not really. Like my mom was cool with dropping me off at shows.

But she was like kind of nervous because she'd be like see people smoking weed outside. So she was just like in the parking lot just like looking at me making sure I like don't participate But she was like pretty open about it she thought it would be like a phase and I just like give up on hardcore and like music but yeah totally not Totally disappointing her still Years later fucking years later what you're you're 28 29 now right 29 yeah wow what that's Almost 20 years ago going to shows you know yeah yeah that's that's insane that's sad to,

here. What? You know, that's crazy. That is pretty nuts, huh? That's insane. Like,

we've been going, we all been going to shows for over half our lives. You know, I'm 37, and, uh, yeah,

I didn't like going to shows. I was like, you know, 14 or something. Yeah. But that's eighth, ninth grade. Eighth, ninth grade.

Mm-hmm. You know, so it's sixth grade, dude, that's, that's elementary. Yeah, that's not even junior high.

That's elementary. And you're, and you're, are, are you're, are, Pet already? Are you fucking moshing? I don't know.

I don't think so. But I don't know what's cool. It's like, dude, like when I think about it, because I have a cousin same age range. And I, like, talk to my friends about this all the time. It's like, I'm where I'm at now playing shows. And my cousin's the same age. And he, like, went the life path of going to college. And, like, he's a doctor now.

So it's just like, fuck, like, if I didn't, like, do hardcore, maybe I'd be a doctor. But I'm still chilling, you know? Like, I love my life. But that's just like how it goes. You've, like, and you, from what I understand, like, you pick up the bass and you, it seems like you always knew that you wanted to be in the music in some kind of capacity. Yeah, like, even now, I don't think, like, I still play bass and guitar and bands, and I don't think I'm, like a good player, like, whatsoever, but I just like being involved.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, accomplished. Yeah. You know, it goes to show, man. Just don't stop, you know. If you really love it, it's just, you're just going to. naturally do it, you know.

Anyway, horrible job with me being a host, but can we do like a quick intro? Yeah. I'm Joseph, and I sing in the band. Michael and I have two guitar. I'm Benny and I slap the tubs.

Tubbs slabs? Yes, sir, yes, sir. Oh my goodness. Theo, play bass. Nice. Well, on it again, honor to have you guys. So Theo,

when did it, so you, you met Joseph at the show, correct? I think. Baguely, probably. Probably like sophomore, junior. Something like that.

I don't even think we got probably introduced one time. I think, like, we just knew kind of like the same people. So it was like, just like, like, you know. Just around. Yeah, like, what's up? We just started getting more around each other. Yeah. Yeah.

It's kind of funny when you were forced to, like, I just talk to this person. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the question is who made, who made the first move? I probably said what's up to him because if anyone knows him, he used to be the most quiet person in the world. Like, like you, you wouldn't know he was there. He would laugh maybe like once a month.

Yeah. It was insane. You, so, so you counted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, yeah. And then Fuck, yeah

And then we started Because he grew up In the East Bay And I'm from San Jose And then I think just shows Coming together more Just we started seeing

Each other more And more and more And more Our friend group Just got bigger And bigger Yeah Yeah

Imagine if you never Initiated that That first point Of contact You know Yeah That shit will change Your life

It's crazy You know You know You always see that person Like I've got to say Something you know which we like Joe said like we probably had that in common where you know you're just

you're just naturally going like to show you're you're you know you're an introvert you know it's like you're not talking to anybody but yet you're just always there yeah yeah yeah you just like want to be there you see all these bands you're fucking buying the shirt and now and now you're mosh and you're not talking yeah it's yeah it's how um i don't even remember how i met some of the guys the band because i was the same way just didn't talk but for some reason like it's good could show like energy will kind of draw you even more than like saying words. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like even if like you don't talk, like people like outsiders,

like if they see you there, they respect that you're going to show still. So like there's nothing wrong with being like quiet. Yeah. Yeah. Just some people are quiet somewhere. Yeah. Should we cover the lore about you sitting on your phone at the merch table and no friends? Let's go.

No. I just, we play this fest in Florida, FYA Fest. like two years ago now and I don't know what happened I just was just outside just on my phone just relaxing I probably just played a set and then someone on Facebook

or Twitter or something like that just like yo this guy like has no friends his band doesn't even want to hang out with him oh my goodness but I guess that's something's wrong with me for chilling and we like

we let killin man you know oh yeah it's like everyone has their own personality traits and how how they like being being around people you know because i'm i'm an introvert to you is like you know sometimes you don't feel like talking and did you ever feel like uh people kind of will kind of poke at you oh you got i i don't like when people said oh he's like like he's quiet yeah yeah not a big deal now but when you're, you know, 14, 15, it's just kind of like,

ugh. Yeah, it was definitely, like, annoying at times, because it's just, like, that's just who I am,

you know? Like, I'm not going to force myself to be, like, obnoxious or something like that. Yeah. But, uh, like,

you know, Benny, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'd be trying to annoy the fuck out of everybody, I swear. Like,

it's cool. I feel like, as you grow up, you don't care anymore if people, like, bug you. And also, like,

the other people, when they grow up, they just like understand like this dude's just quiet just leave them alone yeah yeah and then some people you gotta like sometimes you do like initiated conversation because like he just don't want people also like to think that you you hate them yeah yeah yeah yeah and it's like oh shit i don't like i don't like i don't like that dude dude dude i've been there before like there's so many people that i'm friends with now that are like yo like i like i thought you cool guide me like oh like knowing you at first and i'm like just nod dude like but it's chill yeah i've done to say and

They know, man, we're just quiet. It's it. You know, I don't, I didn't quote guy you. I don't hate you. Yeah, yeah. I only hate myself. You know, and you guys have been in so many different, different bands. You know, it's kind of like, kind of, like, molded, like, tsunami without even knowing.

You know, guys were both in, like, a similar area. So you're all from the Bay Area, correct? Yeah. Cool. And that's his own, like, community and, you know, and, you know, fucking. tribal mosh you know area you know it's cool and uh so many bands and from from what i i understand like snobby kind of came up as like a joke so you said what so what theo joseph and mike are you guys hanging out and talking hey let's just write some

ignorant ass riffs there's literally what it was i had the name i had the name for years oh really dirt had the music in his head yeah in his back pocket and then jr Joseph had the vision. Wow, that's not, it sounds like a joke, but that's a very strong foundation without even trying. Yeah, he had, he had the name, tsunami, like, seriously, like, decade in. And then we were just showing one time, we're like, yo, let's do this, like, a, like, a crazy ignorant band.

We'll use that name that he's been trying to put on forever. And then, like, we went to my house, like, and, like, just, like, design the dumbest shirt possible, which was the first short that we ever printed. Sick. And then we just wrote music pretty quick. We wrote the music based on what I think a band with that name would make. That's a great concept.

We're like, all right, he's missing the tea. All right, I got to make it ignorant. Oh, yes. It's true, huh? Yeah. This needs to be fucking ignorant as fuck. So you already had those rips? No, not really. The way I write with Tsunami is our homie Toshio has a studio in his house,

and he kind of like, I don't know, I kind of just go in there and make shit up, and he kind of arranges it to where it's a cohesive song. Really? Yeah, yeah. He's like our producer. Because I heard a rumor that sometimes you'll just go in there, I book time with no riffs. Yep, that's 90% of the time.

Yeah, I think the demo was him just making shit up in the studio. Dude, how do I mean, we got to give more credit to Tosio because he kind of is just like, all right, he did the drums on the first two first three releases. Yeah, it's all figure out.

He wrote the drums. I just learned them. I couldn't tell them. Wow. That's, that's some skill. I mean, are you not feeling any pressure?

Are you just like saying this is chill? Are you, what? Because that would freak me out. Well, because we didn't, no one knew, when we were doing the demo,

no one knew it. So we're like, whatever. If it goes nowhere, it goes nowhere. Like, it's just for fun. Yeah, this band had no, like, goal. Our goal was, we did have one goal. We were going to do the ignorant band, and we had a, to make a cheat code for every show to pop.

We were going to do a first show, EP release show, last show, and reunion show, within like four weeks. Yeah. Okay. But then the pandemic happened, so we didn't get to do it. Oh, my goodness. That's fucking nuts, dude.

So, I mean, so you guys are talking, you already had the banning in four. I guess like a decade or maybe even two and then literally like a month later you're already tracking. Yeah, yeah. That's quick. And we are never supposed to play outside of San Jose. Really? Was that also a talk?

Yeah, just like why? It's because we were all in like we were all in bands that I mean we all still enjoy them but like those were like the priority at the time. Yeah. Yeah. That's wow. And you're all in bands. And you And your timeline is crazy.

Like this, there's so many, there's so many things happen for you guys in 2019. So you, from like a meeting, okay, let's have a first shirt. Okay, now we're going to write a riff. Now we got a demo out. And then to your first show. Which was that, we, we have it here. Is this a house show? What?

It's a house in downtown San Jose. But it's like, it's called the Peace and Justice Center. It's like a woman and children. in center. Oh my. They let us do punk and hardcore shows there for a while

and, uh, yeah, that's crazy. Motherfuckers were outside. They couldn't get in. But it's literally a it was a Halloween show. It's a Halloween show,

but that room is a living room and then that behind it where everyone's standing behind. Yeah, that's like a separate like little living room. But it was crazy. I think the cap,

the capacity was like 70 people. Whoa. We let like a hundred something in. And then there was still like a hundred people outside. Wow. And for a show, like we, I didn't expect that. And it was just cool, though.

It was cool. None of us, we practiced one time before that, right? One time? Before the set, the day of. No. I'd never played with them. No way. He missed me on Instagram.

I asked if we wanted a drummer. We practiced the day. Like, it was a joke. We practiced one time the day of the show, and then we played this. All right. I'm not mistaken. That's how I went down. I forgot.

beginning we were just going to have a bunch of people stand behind us and just play the drum tracks over the PA. Of course. And then he was like, oh, we actually have a drummer. Yeah. What the fuck? That's how much of like not serious we were being in the beginning. Yeah. And then, I mean, Joseph, so you're, I mean, so you're filming this.

I posted it, but I think our friend Eric, he was just like sitting on like this little ledge just filming. Well, were you approached or you, you approached him, hey, can you film this or I would? No, no, he was just like, honestly,

it's too crazy in there. I'm just going to sit and just film. Whoa. It was just on his own accord. Yeah, there's a few people that just do that. Yeah.

They just post stuff and just film everything. That's a great, that's what you call a community. There's someone can you punch in the face right now. What? Okay. I take it also,

this is Colin Lee. Yes. Okay. So not only this is, There's someone getting a punch right. What is he? Oh, my God. I need a face.

And what's kind of crazy about this? No one's getting into a fight. No. Everyone here in this room at this moment, everyone knows each other. Yeah. I'm gonna need a fucking face. Get fucked. Okay, pause.

There's someone, I've never seen this before in my fucking life. There's someone with boxing gloves. Yeah. I think he was supposed to be a boxer or something. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So he has boxing gloves, a mouthpiece. There's a pirate.

And there's a pirate. I see a nurse. Oh my goodness. First show, Halloween show. Film it. Dude, that's a lot of things aligning. And then, so, okay, also, what's ins, this guy's having a great time.

So what's also insane, just top off, top off this and the evening for you guys is that how the fuck did people know the words we put the EP or the demo had already been out the demo's been out for maybe like a month at that point a month yeah yeah a month but I spent like the two months prior

like jokingly being stupid on Twitter and like forming like people were like just saying stupid shit but they're like yo what a tsunami like are you guys actually gonna put out music but then like straight up two months I was just posting nonsense like get ready stay tuned

Like we're having music drop. Okay. And we never posted who was in the band too. Mm-hmm. So I think when we played, people were like, oh, like, okay, that's who soon out means. Yeah. Yeah. And you've also all built your names up within the community.

So once that was announced, it was all, oh, wow, this is going to be probably a sick band. Yeah. Yeah. That's fun. Interesting. So I guess you are, Joe, I said, you might be the hype master. That's without even trying. That is pretty sick.

Yeah, it was dope. So this, so to show everyone understands, the date here, so San Jose, October 26. No, so the show is 26, you post it, you post it on your personal channel on a 27th. And then, and then what happens from there? So this show, and then there's clips, other clips of the same show on Twitter. And literally after the day after I fly to Japan. and then the clips on Twitter like kind of just blow up they're like this is crazy and then like a lot of people that I don't know person that I didn't know personally but a lot of people that I respect like we're like yo this is cool

and then like we got immediately offers from like that fest FYA from Florida they're like yo you guys should open it and then I think like a week after this video posted sounding fury hit us up to play that year Whoa. And it was just random. It's just like, yo, this is cool. Like, it's just like a, you guys seem popping. You guys want to play these fest that I've wanted to play my whole life. And I was like, damn, really this band?

But that's just what happened. And then pretty much after that, the pandemic happened, though. But at that point, we're like, we don't even know if we really want to play those things. Because at this point, we're still like, this show is awesome. But like, let's still. One and done? Yeah. Or should we still?

go by like we'll just play three shows and we're done and I think we were still all down for that but then that's still sticking with the plan with a plan and then the pandemic happened and so there was obviously no shows but our popularity grew for whatever reason and at the point when we started playing shows again like it was just impossible like we had to be a band you guys didn't have a choice at that at that point it was funny because our first few shows when we didn't really know We joked about doing a few shows and quitting, but we were getting offers. We didn't really know what was going on. I remember he said, we're not playing this song ever again, ask some of the shows, and we've played a countless time since then.

We didn't know what was going on. We had no plan for what was in the future for us. The second show was the 3,500 people. Yeah, the outside show. Yeah. So when the pandemic happened, have you ever heard of that band, Dead City? So, from what I understood, were you at that Dead City show or did you, or did you hear about it? We drove out there to check it out.

He drove down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Okay. Because all our friends were playing too. Okay. And then, uh... Dead City.

Yeah, the crazy shows, too. And then, uh, on our way back, we were just like, why can't we do that? Why can't we do that, you know, with our friends? Mm-hmm. So, you know, Drain played Gulch, uh, scowl. Thebalba. and a local band called My Overrise. Yes.

And we just did it. Fucking DIY. The singer of Gulch built the stage in the morning. Elliot, right? Yeah, yeah. Wow. Cole from Gulch, he has a print shop. We did a merge pop up there.

And then our friend had a warehouse and he was just like, yo, like no one is here on the weekends. We just used up his parking lot. Yeah. Dude. Hey, Jay, can you bring up the flyer, please? Yeah, not that one. Yeah.

Oh, skeletal remains didn't play. June 19th, 5 p.m. What gold drain tsunami? Five bucks. We were expecting maybe like 500 people. And then people from like New York were like, yo, I'm taking the train out there. Like, where is this going to be? Yeah, someone from Pennsylvania is like, yo, I'm hitchhiking all the way.

Yeah. Kids from New Mexico came and dab me out. That was like their thing. They were like, we need the dab with you. We came from Albuquerque. And I was like, I got you. Let's do it. Thanks for coming.

And this was announced day of. Yeah. The location was announced day of, yeah. But even like prior, were you kind of doing the same thing you were doing on Twitter? Kind of like maybe throwing out some like hints here and there. Of the location. Well, people kind of, I don't know when we announced like when the show was actually going to happen. But the date was out online for the public.

Wow. There's 2,000 people outside. Felt like OzFest. That looks insane. There's two people still can you punch in the face. You guys are all really good friends. There's fucking like two or three pits going on right now. Yeah, it was fucking insane.

So at this point, are you stressed out? Are you like, this is getting a little bit out of control? It was very shocking that no. cops came other than like i think gulch had like two songs left at the end of the night and yeah uh a homeless dude got ran over on the street over yeah so so we thought we heard cops and we're like okay it's yeah we gotta get shut down but no yeah it's they never going shooting off fireworks too yeah j pull up uh gulch pull up uh the eclipse please what a fucking insane yeah it So they're

literally This is kind of a dream of mine Like this Seeing fireworks It was kind of like You know movie Project X? No You never see that?

It's just like a comedy Yeah But this kid just throws like a crazy house party That just like It's too crazy That's sick Yeah Okay that had to be like

Okay this is gonna That point I was like Fuck Cops is definitely See a fireworks going on We're fucked but everyone there's something about

what's what I'm seeing I mean there's a lot of chaos going on but it's like no one's really like fighting anybody else it's like this weird this was also like

straight up like one of the first shows after the pandemic period yeah like people were like stokes the mass mandate got lifted and we threw that like the following weekend

or I oh wow the same week I think yeah yeah you guys were fucking proactive Oh wow and so wait so so they so what what came first did you see DESity first and then the mass yeah yeah was first okay and then by the same time and then the mask gets lifted it kind of like that what that's that's a that's a crazy timing yeah yeah where it's like man you got it at quick and you guys definitely

actually quick and seems what really helped your your band also is that like you have this community of other sick bands like Gulch and scow that was down to fucking play yeah It seems like there's no like politics involved, which fucking ruins and slows everything down. It seems like with you guys, you guys all talking and you guys have them, you guys book your own shows. Yeah, everything's DIY. No manager, no booking, nothing. Just Joseph.

Yeah, he doesn't. Just straight up just, all right, I'm booking it. Well, like, even with this tour, we did it all ourselves. Yeah. I mean, obviously, we have friends to contact to, like, help make it easier. but sure all us that is so you booked an in-house tour yeah yeah yeah yeah like 29 days too yeah he we we broke it up like sections of the country so he did like the west coast he did more of the middle and then i did the east coast yeah we just hit up all of our friends in every

city whoa i never i've i've never heard about that ever my life that that is that is very sick. That's very next level. I mean, I don't even Oh God, do you see that meme that popped up? Go down a little bit? Down one more? Oh, maybe it's one more.

What is that? It begins. Oh, my. Is there a meeting? Yeah, I was late. No, I'm late. No, I'm late. Who so, all right, so who made this meme?

We just found it. We just found it. We just found it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. How do you start, yeah, how do you start booking shows? It's like, fuck it, I'm just going to start start, start, start and see what happens?

Uh, I mean, we have friends that, like, we would contact. Uh, that are, like, kind of the guys, but they're like, could we use this venue? And they're always down. Because we're all friends, so, like, I don't know. It's just how it is. And, like, I don't want to wait around. for people to ask me for shows

or like ask my bands to play shows so like if I want to play I'm just going to do it myself that's a way to go about it yeah you know why you guys just don't wait just do it yeah you guys have a band called hemorrhage yes

oh yeah the van band yeah oh yes I didn't know them though yeah yeah all enough I found this out today because also with the RBS show I forgot the name the sickest band that played Santana Roe

they also played they did oh they did pull up they did pull up in the front well they pulled up to the wrong spot and like blew up the spot at our home's business so we were like this band's whack

oh oh no yeah you it's they also pulled up to one of our shows and started screaming fuck Sunomani so fuck that band oh my goodness

the Fantana Ro wow It was beef. Yeah, Hamridge is So they're actually Both in the Bay Area Which

Hemorrhage isn't the one That pulled up to her No, no But the Hammers is sick They actually just got An accident a month ago Oh yeah, I saw that But they got a new

Minibus And they were fucking going Quick Quick, dude That's insane And they're literally Always down here They're just fucking

They're literally playing Every show Yeah Yeah once I was hanging Around these guys I need to do something Dude I'm just fucking

At home being lazy eating pizza thinking I'm killing it okay so RBS happens and then what comes after that flea market yeah there was this

another San Jose outdoor show that was smaller than this but it was like literally the next weekend after yeah yeah this one stay thick and then

after this I really don't know what came next just a bunch of shows that just like seems like it never stopped okay and also to it to actually real quick to close off our RBS is that so so again you brought up the discussion and I guess I just found out your your game plan hey are we actually this was that the last show are we are we done I remember we were loading gear back into my van after RBS yeah and we're like yeah we should call it

nothing's gonna top that like all right that was sick Wow. But then, so did you realize, okay, like, we got to keep going? I don't think we ever got the realization, like, we got to keep going. But we just kept getting offers that we thought were cool. So we're like, yeah, let's just keep playing these shows. And then it just really never stopped. Just kept getting offers and cool offers.

So first you're doing, like, what's lethal about your band, which, I'm honestly, to be transparent with you guys, I'm going to start borrowing. For me, guys, your music is consistent, but there's no pattern. Like, guys just, okay, you got a demo, then you had an EP, then you had a split. Now you're not going on tour. You're doing only single shows. Now you go on tour, now apparently you have a full link.

I'm like, that's a lethal where you normally knows what you guys are going to do. And I'm going to take that element. Everyone should do that. It sounds stressful being locked into like, like, all right, you have to do the singles. the LP and then the second LP. Because writing LP was stressful, man. I don't know if I could do another one. Really?

Yeah. Like, it's cool to just do whatever feels natural. Like, all right, we got these two songs. Let's just put out these two songs. Yeah. Interesting. And like, let's be real. Like, people now don't want to listen to 10 tracks.

So might as well just give them like four really good ones. And then give them another four good ones. Yeah. Tension spans real. Yeah. It's getting smaller. It's just shrank. drinking slowly yeah we wrote i don't care the song i don't care like kind of joking not really we were

just jamming in our practice room and we liked it and we're like yo let's record that and then it became a song but then it was just a song we didn't it wasn't like a planned out thing it's like you was saying we just feel everything out kind of oh that one's a single huh yeah yeah yeah we released it as a single first yeah yeah yeah the fuck went with with the cannibal bends yeah yeah and that that so that came out with a then you it was put again on the promo what is that promo? Is this called promo?

I mean like we were supposed to have an LP out shortly after that yeah yeah yeah yeah okay it didn't work out like that okay we're still writing it's promo for the LP that we're still writing got it yeah it's very early promo

we're getting a head start like you're saying we just think and we act mostly we're just getting the head start on the LP promo I've never heard about that in my life, dude Oh my god Yeah, it was supposed to be out now, but Not out here. I think we also

It's because we were going to Europe And they're like, oh, it would be kind of sick If you guys had something out before you came over here So we just Kind of... We wrote six Yeah, and then we recorded I don't care And we did fake blood cover

And then we put it out as the promo Interesting Yeah So Mike you've been talking about how writing an LP is stressful. Yes. How so? Me personally, I've never written that many songs in for at one time.

And I just, I guess I don't know. I just don't know how, like, because some people on their good LP, it's cohesive on like what song goes after what song, how they go into each other. I don't know how to do any of that stuff. I'm figuring it out, but it's hard. Yeah.

sound yeah just uh you write all those songs you know yeah and so i don't know what happened with like with like heavy music where it just became like this pattern of every two years right fucking fucking 12 the 14 songs and it's sick a lot of bands pull it off but i don't know if i could do 24 two lps of 12 songs sounds intimidating to me you can i mean what you guys have what how many songs you guys have i'm not sure 10 songs yeah that was a that was a guess I think 10 yeah yeah give or take some but give her take some one that's not ours with the so let's say 10 10 or less and the impact that the band has made is I've never seen anything like it yeah yeah I mean shit do you like not even LP and like the

like the momentum it's just insane and like seems like you guys just go by feel you guys go by feel and then you guys go by feel and then you guys just seems that you guys also trust each other and he's do yeah yeah yeah I think we definitely trust each other because everyone kind of has their own roles in the band yeah and everyone just kind of does it I don't know I never have worried about any of them like I know he's gonna have good riffs they're gonna have shows booked for us I'm gonna play the drums like yeah it's a team effort what's uh just had a curiosity what what do you think your role is just drumming sick I literally contribute nothing except drumming that's not gonna cap. I'm going to be straight up.

It's a foundation. Yeah, I don't do nothing. We've been writing a lot on the... On the new LP, I'm writing it with him. It's not programmed drums. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, so we are working on the LP together, so that's cool. And yeah, we're capable of doing more songs and more LPs, but it's hard to not be repetitive. You've got to put thought into writing an LP.

You know, you can't just do three songs and be like, this is cool, we'll put it out like we've been doing. You've got to more be like, okay, this is getting a little repetitive. Let's switch this track up a little or something here there. But yeah, I just drum. And I'm helping write the drums now. Well, that's why it's not me sick. You guys got a sick drummer, dude. Yeah. He holds it down. I'm going to just ruin your band. Because the drummer tends to get the, get the, whoo, that tends to happen. I just, I'm sorry. The band's going to break up today. I'm sorry. Oh, my goodness, dude.

You got to have a sick drummer. It's so, it's so important, especially with, like, heavier as shit. Yeah. Like, need like a solid fucking drummer need those those fucking

cut through through someone's chest lyrics and you're I'm very curious Joseph with your with the first demo

and so on I heard you talk about you're listening to East Coast hip hop yeah yeah

what like how did you like implement that into into the sound straight from the demo I think like

uh I just wanted to match the ignorance, like, kind of like violent lyrics or like just being people up, you know? Of course. But, uh, it's important. I just wanted to like maybe like, imitate flows from like hip-hop.

Like New York. Yeah, yeah, honestly. And I kind of felt like I stole some lines, but like I remember writing the demo or hearing the songs and I was like, I need to write lyrics. So I listen to Big L like for a week straight. And I'm just like, let's go. go.

This is Big L? Yeah. That's a great name. And they go, shout out. There you go. The goat. So he's from East Coast, obviously. Wow.

Never heard the name ever. You never heard Big El? Never. He's awesome. Rest and peace. Yeah, what's this era? Probably like mid-90s. Oh, my favorite.

I'm probably about to get blown away. Oh, yeah. When I jam this. What other artists? dude straight up for that I only listen to Bigel oh shit yeah yeah

yeah well so if you're ignorant like me because if you listen to his lyrics too it's they're ignorant as fuck really yeah but I think it's just like of that era too okay yeah

yeah yeah mid 90s hip hop and rap it was pretty like it was heavy dude yeah yeah yeah there's just no boundaries and nothing

it was sick as fuck dude yeah so what uh again let's so if you're ignorant like what what's like the Go-to record? Just in general, like any genre? Oh, of a big-go. Real quick.

The one on the right lifestyle is of the porn dangerous. 90. Oh, hey, it's on 95. Wow, lifestyles. Okay, I'm the fucking right there. That's a fucking new, a new rig, dude. Hell yeah. Sick, dude.

Yeah, mid-90s. Oh, midnight's anything for me. Mm-hmm. You guys have a very 90s sound. Really? That's sick. Yeah. That's cool.

Yeah, like 90s cannibal. That's all him. That's what you listen to. Everything he puts me on it was like old slam death metal. You know, I've recently, everyone wants to say in the here. We had Depeeda Sandy. I watched that one the other day. Fuck.

I mean, to me, like my personal opinion, I think Depea Sanity is like the top tier of like brutal death metal out. Still consistently. They talk about OGs like the score. So we had Diego on from the scores that I'll be coming out. in a few months. And obviously, we just had a devourment. They'll be coming out ASAP. They've all said suffocation.

And I didn't realize how important that fucking band was until they all kept talking about this record. Their first record, Pierce from Within. Terrence. I'm like, oh, shit. This is where it all started, man. So, yeah, you guys do kind of have that sound without even knowing.

Like, it kind of like a suffolk. Oh, yeah. I was listening to a lot of suffocation. That one of our songs has like a bass and drum intro that kind of straight. I love that intro, dude. I should have got that from Forget the song name

But it's on the Effigy of the forgotten I kind of just stole the vibe of it I do I do the same thing Sometimes you just steal But you put your own twist on it Yeah

We're like you know you do it right When you steal it And you show everyone this far I got it from They're like Yeah You add your own fucking thing You add you add you You know

You guys said Look at that Legends dude Hell yeah Those are the Oh, geez, man. Terrence. Have you seen him?

Yes. He probably played with him. Yeah. Like mid-2000s. Fuck, yeah. I've never seen him. And he still had Frank and he's fucking... Now they have Ricky on vocals and he's...

Oh, look at that picture, dude. Classic. If you see that picture, you know that's fucking... That's that... That's not... There's something about that sound where, like, if you put, like... suppication on in the background or like let's say like we're being or a canada what just has that sound

it's a very i was talking about this the other day how come like i think those old records sound perfect but no one like it seems like no one these days can recreate that sound no like i don't know how it happens it must be them going to tape or someone i think a little bit of tape uh i mean i'll find out i think i think i don't know if i should say this on the pot but i think they're going to be in here next week. Oh, hell yeah. But from what I've, what I've been asking the question, I'm curious, I have the same thought as you. I'm like, what is, what is, what is it about that sound and the way those songs flow and feel? And then it's from what I've been hearing, the answer is there's, they're all literally still in the room writing and that they just hashing it out,

it's boring this in a room jam, what you guys are doing I know. This is just hashing out for hours playing it. And it's how it's how you, you get that flow that fun. Yeah. That unexplainable flow. I love it. Yeah, I wonder who produced suffocation, actually. I have no idea. Hey, Jay, can you go to Wiki and type in on suppocation? Yeah, because whoever, yeah, whoever recorded that, there's a sound to it.

There's, like, who fucking, go down, let's see, F&G. Came out, 91. I didn't, had no idea they're on Roadrunner. But personnel. Oh yeah Scott Burns of course That makes a lot of sense I'm gonna hit him up So yeah they obviously probably recorded that in Tampa

Dude he did everything come on Jesus Christ Yep that was Scott Burns yeah fucking cannibal Cuppo Maybe even death die aside Yeah what's that room called I go Go up Jay there's a

It'll say she'll say the studio Fuck, what's that studio called? It's a legendary spot in Tampa, Florida. Shit. I would not know. All those records are recorded there. Shit. Yeah, that explains it.

That's that fucking late 80s, early 90s, like the M sound, produced by Scott Burns. And there's two brothers that also, There's the three guys I were just doing all those records But then I span out like 10 years I'm having a fucking brain fart

And it's piss me off dude I'm like too I literally was just doing this This research Oh shit Morissound More sound there it is Boom

That That's the studio where all those records Were fucking being tracked at That's sick They should have a wiki Hey yeah Type in Morissound And then

so I think everyone started going here because of death fuck yeah they started recording mid 80s uh late 80s oh look at that dude who's that oh my god's fucking sick like imagine being there dude early 90s

were like recording that those kind of sounds were just kind of it was unheard of yeah it was unheard of dude when it was fresh it was like uh I don't know how to say it there's an element of not knowing what the hell you're doing, but just trying or doing your best. Hey, Jay, go to their, see if it has a wiki.

So I want to say the brothers, I think that's their last name. See, oh yeah, they go Jim and Tom Morris. There we go. Those guys were recording all the death mental shit. Legends. So Scott Burns, Jim and Tom Morris, legends. And that's far as suffocation sick.

Hit them up. Hit them up, dude. I'm going to hit that DM right now. Dude, the power of DMs, I mean, I mean, Benny. That's why we're here. Yeah. Because your drummer hit me up. I talked to Ernie for a while, and then he got us in contact when we were in Columbia.

Oh, yeah. And that's how I met you and Eddie and all you guys. I just talked to Ernie on Instagram for like a year or so, like all COVID probably. I don't know. But yeah, just DMs, and that's how we're here now. That's how I got in the band. I just asked to the DM. DMs are crazy.

I tell people they don't use it enough. People always say I don't overuse social media, all this. I completely agree. You shouldn't do too much. But it's very powerful if you use it correctly. And a lot of people sleep on it, and they don't realize that. Agreed. You can do a lot.

There's so many opportunities that I've gone through Instagram. It is absurd. It's crazy, man. Yeah, it's crazy. It blows my mind. You're in Southern California right now, dude. That's what I mean. Because of Instagram.

Yeah. It's not because of your talent. No. It's not because you're tall in hand, so it's because of social media, Instagram, definitely. Yeah. No, the DMs are powerful. I always tell people, like, musicians and people who ask me stuff, like people always say they don't want to be that guy to, like, ask to be in a band,

to, like, ask to start something. I see nothing wrong with that. Just creating an opportunity for yourself. Like, the worst, if it's an already existing band, people will say no. It's not the end of the world. If you're asking people to start a new project or write something with you, There's just no harm in it, you know? People I hear that all the time.

They're just scared to reach out and ask people. They don't want to be that guy, which I don't know what that is. I'm that guy. I'm having a great time with it, you know? Yeah, there's that weird, like... So use your DMs. That's all I'm trying to say. Hit people up.

Don't punish people, though. Don't hit them up too much. Don't punish people. You get those punishing DMs and you know. Put yourself out there and then leave it. Leave it to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a big difference between being persistent and then punishing.

Yes. Absolutely. Once you cross the line, which I've done many times. Yeah. People never look at you the same. It fucking sucks. Yeah. But, you know, yes, you do.

You're right. You got to ask. You don't just fucking ask. But there is, you've also had behind you, like this, you know, these years of talent that you built. You know, it's not like you fucking hit Mike and Mike can know who, like, you were. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like you've been putting into your work, you know. I try.

Coming in right now. You've been playing drums. what, 14 years? Yeah. Yeah, since I was like 13 or something. That's crazy. 14? Yeah, 13, 14.

14 years are just fucking, oh, my. Yeah. I love it. That's, like, yeah, you said I put in the work, but I just, I have fun. Like, it's my hobby. It just is coincidental that I'm getting to do cool stuff with it. Yeah, it looks like you're having a great time. I absolutely am.

Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Do you play drums high? Oh, yeah. I do everything high. Well, I mean, like, during like the show are you like say fuck I'm gonna high as fuck

I don't reaction I don't feel that way ever anymore like I'll smoke a blunt before I set but like it's just like I get my mind right just gets my mind right man it's crazy how I'm not like faded like if I drank a few beers before set then I'd be like ooh I can't do that

yeah you're drinking I feel it but yeah your feet on smoking it's just like it just relaxes me gets me out of my head I can like get in the groove a little more that one out. That's fresh. On some hippie shit, you know. Something and take the edge off.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, again, you're, so you're the only smoker. Yeah. So no one else at all. We're straight edge.

Straight edge. He's just sober. I don't like, uh, I don't like to smoke weed. I used to drink, but it became too much. So now I just... He's straight-edged now. I'm going to let him carry the X. Oh, damn.

Thank you. Thank you. You got accepted. Yeah. Hell yeah. And I smoke enough for the whole band, so it works out perfectly. I saw. I saw a video rolling a blunt and then look like,

it was the size of this fucking baseball bag, you know? It's like, dude, you know, man. What does the non-mean doing, dude? I didn't know, because I see you. I'm like, are they all stoners, you're riding? I mean, what's like, but apparently two straight-edge dudes, rippers, newly sober, also newly edge. You got, well, we got.

Breaking news. Mike is straight-edge. I remember where I was straight-edge for a little bit, because, you know, I got in a hardcore scene. I went straight to throw it out. Okay, so I'm just moshing out of survival. I'm straight-edge. And I stopped claiming it because I didn't like what,

because down here in SoCal, like Orange County, like the Inland Empire, you know, at Point L.A., like those scenes were kind of clashing. Yeah, I, yeah, at crews. Yeah. I wasn't any Indian crew ever. It was as one I just liked the music. So I stopped claiming it for like a year or two, and that I tried claim it again. And I, no, man, you can't do that.

You got to have the stoner tell you that homie? Okay, so, okay, so, okay, you guys probably look at me like, like, I'm an idiot. So I was like, and now that I look back, I was telling this to a friend, and he had like, literally, he had a straight of tattoo on his fucking neck. And he's like, no, you can't, can't do that. But I was like, but I haven't done anything, though. But I mean, so by reclaiming, I meant like, I didn't, I still haven't. You didn't break edge of her. You just stopped claiming you for.

Yeah, I was like, I'm tired of all this cruise. You guys all tattoos and fucking piss me off, dude. All the tattooed people. And fighting people and my shit. And I was like, you can't, you can't do that, man. I was like, but so is that, but what if the person didn't do anything? Like, I didn't break edge. I didn't drink or smoke until I was 21.

At this point, I'm 19 and still haven't done anything. I try to, I try to reclaim it. I still let it throw down. So I was like, you know, let me back into, You know, you're going to say it's a fucking no. Whatever you want to do. It's hard to say. I mean, like, it is like a personal choice, but like, I don't know.

It's tough, huh? Yeah. It might fall into the category of, you know, can you drink caffeine? Can you fuck? You know, there's like all, there's like different kinds of like straight edge, right? Yeah. I'll still fucking piss him. Do you just let me the edge.

But yeah, I sold out because Because I Mitch sold out first He turned 21 and then I was like Once he did him, okay, it's my turn And then we all became severe alcoholics So good thing Wow Damn

Are you gonna go see the reunion? Yes Yeah, that's fuck that's coming up Yeah I want to see a thrown on play Beyond Birmingham pair of stuff But leading through just got announced Oh yes I love bleeding through.

I got to put them on blast by. I literally just met Brandon like last week for the first time ever. Really? Yeah. That's crazy. It's so weird, dude. Like this whole fucking, it's...

You guys never played together? Dude, like, there's so many bands, even just from the fucking area. You cross past, but you never, like, stop, shake your hand. Like, just... There's so many, yeah, bleeding through is one of them. Throwdown is one of them.

I literally had to start a podcast to meet Keith Barney. I listened to that last week. It's like, dude, I've seen you around all the time. We never fucking met. dude so weird crazy it's so weird dude it's small but it's not small enough to where you can just you know your like you're hanging out who were your like homies when you when suicide silence was like banned homie yeah like band do we're again like i'm spoiled uh i live two miles away from from showcase i don't know if you familiar i'll start street shooting our bands from

the area we had a band called uh final burden oh i remember them close homies uh bound in blood ex bound in blood yes yes yes Yeah, you got, you got, you guys, X is important. You know, you know what I'm saying? It's still on my iPhone. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, I mean, Gabe, their singer, started the Gabe of a show, he's why. I mean, S has got the hype.

He started throwing us on all the hall of shows at Showcase. Yeah. It's back then, like, no one really wanted to give us a shot. You know, we're playing breakdowns and blast beats. But he fucking, you know, believe in us. So sick. And I went into high school with a couple of the final burden guys. Mitch was in a band called Dying Dream.

names pre-suie and I decided who else was from that area as blood runs black they're more like in like the Los Angeles area it's like probably you probably look at so like I look at you guys where like I look at like San Jose San Francisco all like like the same area anything Fresno and below is L.A. Okay okay got it I don't want to think it's just L.A. Oh shit there's that's that's That showcase. Wait, is that showcase? Pull that picture.

Yep, that showcase. Damn. That's, yeah, that's mentioned his first band. Dang. And the guy behind him is Big Mike. He played for, obviously, that band, and then he was one of the first bass players for Sui. Dude, so many great bands.

There's literally down the street from my fucking house, dude. I'll just walk there. Just hang out. And did you guys have a similar, like, like, community where you just go to outside of venue and just stand outside? It's chill. Yeah.

Best. I live down the street from a venue we had called The Cave. The Cave. It was a huge church that, that's why I first saw Terror. But yeah, I would just go there. Any Friday, Saturday, Sunday, there was always a show. Fucking a billion people there. Just the hangout.

Wow. Yeah. That's probably where we saw Joseph. Did you ever go there? At the Cave? I've been to one show at the Cave. Yeah. Yeah.

It was sick. Yeah. How far was. was San Jose to where you were saying? It's about maybe like 30, 40 minutes. Okay. And as a kid, it's like, I'm never going to get to San Jose. Yeah.

It's so weird when you're not a teenager, like, oh, that's 30 minutes away. I'll never go. Yeah. I will never go there. Yeah, over here we had like showcase and then you have turn reaction. They're like 35 minutes away, but you're a kid and like, I want to see skinless, but I can't because I'll never go there. I remember I told my parents I was going to Gilroy and I ended up going to

Internal Affairs last show at Chain And that was my first time ever going, yeah Well, I'm glad you guys Got to experience that It was crazy You guys played it Mm-hmm Did you guys ever think

Once tsunami started to really start going like Oh shit, we're gonna like We're gonna play in SoCal We're gonna play in Columbia We're gonna play in Florida We're going to know what we're in a book a tour It's pretty crazy It is crazy

That's only way Damn that's crazy It's also bizarre because it just seems not planned You know It definitely wasn't planned It's not yeah Still nothing is planned Man there might be a chance where I need to come in

I'm like like you guys do this And I'm like let the fuck organize it Okay basically I'm managing now Yeah I mean it's that's just I mean it's kind of like the band

show as you guys in like a weird way you know yeah mm-hmm that we just have fun so like yeah

just fucking have no expectations and you're chilling when you have no expectations and you play a show like RBS

like how is that that's fucking it's just unreal unreal every time I had like the goosebumps the whole time I was having a hard time like holding on

on my guitar pick dude's so nuts man. Because this is your second show? I don't play a show like this than years down the road. You guys would just throw it into it, dude. Holy fucking moly, man. Special time, man.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, fuck, yeah. And also, like, there's just something going on with, like, gulch and drain and, like, with the Bay Area hardcore scene. There's something special going on. It's like, it's on fire, it seems. Fuck, yeah.

You know, what, like, what are you guys drinking up there? You guys drinking, like, some special water? what's like the I think because like we just did our own thing and didn't really give a fuck if anyone cared or not we just put on for each other and did not care and people liked it

we've got a nice mix of genres too yeah no one sounds the same punk thrash were beat down and there's other heavier bands there's other thrash bands and our scene but we all support each other yeah is like all those like it's not really separated like you'll go to any one of those type of shows and there's the same

group of people that go into every time of show yeah it's like you're all just kind of like built it yeah straight up just kind of like helped each other you know so you guys are going to do i'm not down with the flashing lights yeah the strobe lights last night we're not the vibe sold out sold out last night sold out tonight as well that is insane insane but but you guys you guys definitely deserve it earned it man thank you thank you i'm stoked Do you, am I, am I coming out of March retirement today? What the hell is going on?

Handel. Yes. What? So pre-sunami, obviously, you have, you know, which some of you guys run Drain and Gulch and those kind of bands. Like, what, what was going on before that kind of took over? Was there like a low in that scene? Oh, yeah. There is a while where you go to shows and it was just our group of friends at every show.

Yeah, just the same, like 30 people all the time. For years. Long time. And then it kind of just... Maybe like a year or two before like Gulchen everything formed. Like there was just like more new kids that popped up. But honestly it was pretty dry.

You kind of recognized everybody at every show. That's why it's crazy now. I'm like, I don't know anybody at these shows. Like a bunch of new kids and that's why it's cool. That's bizarre. Yeah. My pops used to drive me to like the shows they're referring to when I was like 14, 15.

and I was like the always the same people how do you feel about how do you feel about it now to like where it's going it's impressive it's cool seeing all the homies do cool things because everyone's doing something with their talents you know

yeah like how all our homies are getting love it's not just one band like everyone's doing cool shit and we could kind of do cool shit together yeah I liked how you guys never talked about we're influenced by this band we're inspired were inspired by the spam.

It's just the way, I think it was you, Joseph, that worded in a way where, you know, we saw our friends doing cool shit, we just want to do cool shit too.

You know, obviously you guys grew up on, like, you know, terror and like, you know, first blood, you know, stuff like that,

you know, but yeah, the way the guys didn't really, because, you know, me and person, I did like some digging, like, you know,

what are their influences? It's curious. And, like, you know, you guys never said that. Like, if someone asked you that, you'll be like,

well, you know, That makes you want to do cool stuff. And that really explains your very unique sound. Without even trying it, Mike, it's pretty cool. Hell yeah. You know? And then you combine that with just listening to Cannibal corpse all day, and that's just...

Fuck, yeah. You know, I'm just going to plug into my PV 5,252, and then that's it. Rig run down, huh? Dude, I'll watch rig rundowns all day long. I love that shit. I just watched... That's why I couldn't find a Cannibal Corpse one. there's are cutting you gotta like do some research to find their tone but I

should have ripped it I use all the same gear they use you know they have the their they're like modded metal zone yeah that's the one thing I can't figure out they know how to do all the modifications we just got to steal it we just got to watch it yeah I think Rob's been recently that's what I use oh yeah you use the maxon yeah Q Screamer I like his description it sounds like two guitars I was like sold I don't know the technical shit. I was like, this shit sounds crazy.

I'm gonna buy it. Dude, what a great selling point. Yeah. That is marketing genius without even trying. He doesn't get all technical with it. He's like,

yeah, this knob sounds crazy. I was like, I don't know. Oh my goodness, dude. And what, you have a boss of key pedal too, right? No,

I don't use a EQ pedal. You don't? I thought I heard you talking about it. Maybe, uh, maybe I think I used to, but I, I don't use the EQ

better right now I don't know how to I try to but I don't know how to fuck with all the I don't know what each setting represents I don't know We're just like a little monkeys in there I just feel you

I don't know what Like I just fuck with it a little bit till it sounds how I want to sound I don't know what exactly each thing is really supposed to do I know the drive one and the tone but I know they represent like mids

and highs and shit I don't know about all that shit It's messed with the knobs Yeah. If this sounds good at there, I'll keep it there. Yeah. You know. There's a match. You're not knowing what you're doing, you know?

I mean, I think I kind of get the vibe. Just scoop the mints. But, uh, yeah. What's your, what's your cab? I use a, uh, I use two cabs. I use his martial lead. I think he's a similar one that's in there. Okay.

And then I have a Mesa direct fire cabs oversized. Oh, so you use both I got a martial cap to own to I play through two heads I do like the A-B-Y thing Okay So I normally play through a J-CM-800 And a triple wreck at the same time

That means a lot of sense That's why in the videos It sounds like it's a base There's too much low end I need to fuck with it more I honestly don't really know what I'm doing Not you, right I'm always sad you meet

Me too And I finally But you know, sometimes, like, you're able to put, like, a thought into words. It's really hard. I find put my thought into words, like, literally, like, this week, and I'm fucking, I blew my own mind. Where I always say, like, you know, I don't know what I'm doing either. I don't know what I'm doing. But then, this imagine to knowing what you want to do, but you don't know what you're doing, but you know what you want.

Yes. I was like, oh, shit, yeah. I mean, you always knew what you wanted and you always knew what you didn't want. Yeah. And then you just try it or at least do your best. Just do stuff to get to that point, you know. I mean, essentially speaking, yeah. It's nuts, dude.

It's like, oh, shit, I'm fucking smart, dude. Hell, yeah. It's like, damn. I fucking impress myself and shit. I thought, but, Mike, I thought you used a Peevy. I used to. Or did I hear that wrong at some point? Oh, no, I used to.

I sold it when I bought my triple rectifier. When was this? I would say a couple months ago, maybe. I like, I stopped using the PV because as much as I love the tone on the PV, because I was always going for that machine head, burn my eyes to him with the 5150. Of course. But for me, it's so hard to control the hum and the feedback on the 5150s. So, yeah, there is that trick where you can use, like, the effects loop of the pedal,

but I don't know how to do all that shit. So I just, I notice on the JCP and the triple wreck, there's like, I'll do the clean cuts. Like, you pause in between, like, on a, like a pause part on the song. there's no feedback so that's why I fuck with those heads I see more recently two heads man that's that that's how you got to do it even uh even uh in like studio what was that even in like in like the studio even like in like the studio everything we've recorded was a 50 150 I'm recording I'm I was talking about live okay yeah I'm recording we always just use the at panda studios they have like a classic block letter 50150 two or one the like the original one I think before it was Eddie Van

Eddie Van Halen. I don't know. I don't know much about it. But that thing, you don't even need pedals. It just sounds bomb right away. Yeah. There it is. It's our go-to for recording.

Dude, that sound is the fucking, that's the Orange County artwork scene sound too. Like those old, like, bleeding three records and, like, those old, like... They used to be so cheap. Like, you could just, if your tubes went out, you just buy another one for, like, 300 bucks.

But now they're, like, $1,200 bucks. Well, now, yeah, they're, like, vintage gear now. Yeah, so when they, anything crosses the line to like vintage, you're kind of fucked, dude. Yeah. It's just, let's just jack at the price for no one per reason because it's older. I hate being a gear snob, but then when the older shit, it sounds fucking. It does. It sounds warm and sexy.

But it's less reliable, like when you go on the road. Oh, that sucks. Yeah, it's guaranteed the fucking. What do you guys use? Just for reliability. We've been using the EVH3s. Oh, he has one of those. It sounds bomb.

It sounds incredible. Yeah, it sounds incredible. The 50-watt one, just perfect for me. The 50 watt one actually I think sounds better than the 100 watt. I wish I got the 50. Whenever I plug into the 50, it's like, oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah. He just fucking crank it and tubes start working, getting on warm and fuzzy and sexy.

Say, Benny, what's up, dude? Hell yeah. Well, dude, thank you for coming down today. Thanks for having us. Dude, I was really honored to. hang out with you guys. Thank you. You know?

You know? It's a weird life we live. Yeah. You know? Hell yeah. We just play music and then we're just going to meet each other and start talking, you know? Hell yeah.

So it's kind of a trip to talk to people like right out of the gates. Yeah. The thing is kind of weird. Like I'll meet, I'm like today, I met you guys. Besides Benny, I met you guys. Hey, you guys want to go on camera? Start talking? It's fucking weird.

But dude, I'm so fucking, I'm so good honor that, uh, you guys, you know, took time out of your day. and I know it's kind of a crazy schedule being here, you guys. Thank you. Thanks for having those dudes an honor, for real. In time.

Hey, Jay, can we pull up the hammer? Let's close it out. One of the links that I sent you. There's Joseph's face. It's not there. That's an ad. My bad. I was like, damn, you're on that website?

Oh, that's a news website. You're my mind. I was thinking of something else. Actually, hey, Jay, type in tsunami rising merch. There's something that the world has to see right now. Oh, that's what we're looking for. Dude, we brought those in Europe and some kid was like all, or actually it was the homie. He was all drunk moshing with the hammers there to tell him to stop.

Oh yeah. I thought of that when you were talking about the vocalist who put the hammer on his microphone. Oh yeah, shout out to Hurrah and shout out to Donny Brooke, man. There it is. What is this thing? Who's idea was this? It was them. So they're like when we went to Europe. They're like yo like you guys want hammers

Stupid. None of us knew so when they showed up. We were like what the fuck is this a hammer? And he was like we had hammers made by the way. Dude no one listening to us is going to use that. That's like a novel. Well, I'm trying to transport those like from the UK to like Europe. Yeah, we just had to like sneak them. Yeah. Hiding them and like and most venues when they saw it. They're like you can't sell that here. Oh yeah.

about that so there's a opinion that said you guys know you guys know I can still hammers yeah you're a bitch oh my goodness oh what a fucking

perfect thing to put on a hammer I wish I had they do was it screen printed on there oh it's like engraved oh hell yeah that's engraved yeah damn that's sick

okay who can about the logo almost forgot so this dude that does graffiti he writes lead but he's just the homie of mine

and sick he owed me a favor he's just like yo I'll do this logo for you guys and we just

used it that's sick dude well fuck yeah tonight chair reaction I'll be there I'll be I'll be in the back

drinking a beer hell yeah staying away from from the mosh you know So where can people find you guys? Like we don't have a website other than just using our own social media. So just look up Tsunami, I think, 408 on Instagram and then Tsunami.

Who is that? His name's Big G. That's Big G. Yeah, that's Big G. Okay. I was curious like, you know, I'm not, you're an outsider and you start looking at my own. I'm like, who is that? He'll be there tonight.

Yeah, he will be there. Oh, yeah. Shout out extinguish. plays guitar and extinguish oh sick yeah yeah he does not look like that nobody looks like this guy his name's Ged in real life but his face just goes super

well with face filters no matter what it is and it looks real so that's not a real picture no I wish it was oh my goodness okay do you realize that like people outside your community like they just look and see that picture

like who the fuck is that That's awesome. I was just telling Joseph this morning that I gave a drum lesson to this kid, and he just wanted to talk a lot of it about the band and whatnot, which was cool, but he was pressed because he'd been looking all over the internet for that profile picture. I don't know why. He just thought it was funny.

And I was like, oh, it's just a picture of our friend, bro. Like, you can't find that anywhere, bro. And he was like, my friends love it. It's hilarious. It's just funny. Yeah, it's just funny. Oh, my goodness. All jokes.

Man, you guys start off as a joke, but it's kind of serious. Interesting. That's a really interesting concept. I think it's serious to like where like we want to play good and sound good, but everything else is like just fun. Yeah. Like we're just having fun. People like really like our band.

And so we like when it comes to it, like we want to be a good band for them. So. Very cool. Yeah. Hell yeah. Well, tsunami. Real Bay shit. Yes, sir.

Heavy briffs, up your ass. What's up? All right, everyone. That's it, Tsunami. Thank you. Thank you. You guys. Thank you, dude.