Garza Podcast - 75 - Diego Sanchez | DISGORGE: Brutal Death Metal, Blast Beats, Guitar Rigs & Poetry

Episode Date: April 24, 2023

Garza sits down with Diego Sanchez. Guitar player of the legendary death metal band Disgorge. Starting in the mid 90's. Disgorge would become known as one of the most relentless, brutal bands on the planet. Diego shares his life experience how he got those heavy riffs out of his head & onto the records we still love years later. Also becoming a father, his time playing bass in Cephalotripsy, the extremely deep concept of all those evil album covers, how writing poetry helped him write death metal lyrics & much more! https://www.instagram.com/riffwizward SPONSORS: distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF! emgpickups.com Promo Code: Heavy 15% OFF! TIME CODES: 00:00 - Fatherhood & Passing Down Musical Genes to Daughter 07:47 - Jinjer 10:14 - ‘96-’97, Joining Disgorge 14:48 - Chemistry with Ricky Myers, Disgorge Loved & Respected in the Metal Scene 18:38 - Songs, Writing Process & Structure 20:02 - Jamming with Travis Ryan (Cattle Decapitation) & Ben Marlin (RIP) in Middle School 26:04 - Inspiration for Writing Death Metal 28:00 - Suffocation & Different Styles of Blast Beats 32:44 - Writing Riffs for Disgorge 34:47 - Erik Lindmark (Deeds of Flesh, Unique Leader) 37:06 - Hearing & Capturing the Riffs in Your Head 39:58 - Becoming a Dad & Living Selflessly 45:54 - Family Foundation, Influence 48:18 - Bands Partying vs. Working 53:18 - Disgorge Being a 4-Piece & Having a Huge Sound/Gear Talk 55:20 - Guitar Rig from She Lay Gutted Era (ADA MP2) 01:02:40 - Rig for Consumed (VF-1 Preamp/Modeler) 01:06:20 - Letting Things Flow, Breakdancing in the 80s, Getting Sponsored by Skate Shops 01:13:38 - Metal Politics 01:14:40 - Disgorge Reunion? 01:18:00 - Sharing Music Before Streaming 01:19:00 - Cephalotripsy Album Writing 01:22:00 - Writing Lyrics & Poetry 01:25:16 - She Lay Gutted & Album Cover Art (John Zig, Artist) 01:35:55 - Metalheads are the Chillest 01:39:35 - New Projects, Shows, Tours Dates, Playing Bass Now Instead of Guitar

But he was just stoked and saw music and now it's a way of life. You know, before it was something I thought I just did and I was blessed to have. But now I realize, dude, I'll be like 90 years old, dude. Shredden if I can. Be brutal, dude. Rolls aren't brutal. So what are you going to do? What are you going to do rolls for?

You know, just like a... Rolls on brutal. Yeah, dude. Blast over here, blast right there. Clip that. Yeah. Use ENG pickups because they help you get the heaviest tone possible. head over to emgpickups.com and use my promo code heavy at checkout and get 15% off.

And then once you write the heaviest song of all time, head over to distrokid.com slash VIP slash Garza and save 30% off your membership to get all your songs on all streaming platforms. And now to the heaviest podcast of all time. Diego Sanchez, you write some of the most brutal shit I've ever heard in my entire life. and I am honored that you made the drive here, so I appreciate the fuck out of you. Thank you for being here, man. You got it, man. Thank you.

Thank you for having me, man. Good to see you. Pleasure, yeah. How was that drive? It took you five hours. What's up? Oh, not much, you know? Me and Mary hanging out on the drive here and, you know,

pulled the door to the store and all sudden make a left and you shouldn't make a right and all over the place, you know? Yeah. Then had a nice little family talk, you know, on the way here, so got a good zone and, you know, mobbed out. Great. But, you know, it's always, when you have a kid, dude, it's so hard to leave when all you want to do is spend your time with them and the juggle, the juggle of, like, your passion and life and your kid. I know.

Sorry, but whenever she wants me to hang out, it's like, I can't just, all right, man, fucking late, you know. You know. Yeah, yeah. How's that been for you? That, that's a crazy transition. Dude, nothing better. Like, nothing like, I don't know, like, you know, music, the part of you and your creation and the frequency. and vibes of life, but a pro-creation,

and having a child that's amazing and awesome, the reflection you have afterwards, if you're one of those people that constantly reflects and steps outside the box and, you know, la-la-la-la, makes life worth living, and, you know, longer have to wonder why you're here or what kind of an impact you're going to have because, you know, that that's going to be,

like, I already know I pass it down to her, and she's got the best qualities of myself and her mom. And she's going to pass it on to everybody else. And she's got the music jeans. So, you know, she got more frequencies and life to pass on for eternity, just like us. I know. Like, what kind of music are you passing on? I mean, just out of curiosity.

You know what, man? She's from going to kindergarten, she's a better math, actually, is what she's picking up fastest as opposed to, like, you know, reading, writing and all that kind of stuff. She gets math a little better. so and then her first instrument was drums like my brother got her a couple kits you know yeah she can't play a rock and roll on drums bro

she's just all about you know brutal death on drums but you know that was when she was younger and now she likes to sing and a lot of like you know she'll do gutt rolls with me or something but most of the time no yeah that's badass yeah most of the time most of time

to see their trap or pop, but she really will, like, vibe into like with, ah, you know, and frozen, and, you know, she loves Elsa, and she, everybody else gets bored, but I fall in love every time I hear it, you know what I mean? Yeah. I know, I know what she's got.

It was like, she was like six months old, and a commercial came on, and until I started playing bass, encephalachy, my ear, I didn't really know, like, this key, that key, you know, I learned how to play just by myself, you know, seeing, watching MTV, and people shred, Like, oh, your fingers do that. Like, here's a power record.

Yeah, yeah. Put your fingers here and, you know, good luck. Yeah. That's the way to put it, good luck. Yeah, here you go. You know what I mean, dude? Oh, my goodness, dude. Yeah.

So, so musically and evolution, you know, been doing it for 46. Been playing live since I was like 16. And it's pretty dope, man, because there was some commercial and I heard, you know, the mail. Yeah, you can pre, you already know, you have a premonition of what. it's already going to be the next, you know, the end of the song or how the song flows. And she was just cooing and stuff and all said, and she was fucking right on key dude with that next part when I was coming down the hall. And I just, it clicked already.

I was like, Dan, she's got way more than I did. I got, you know, I'm a guitarist, you know, bass player, but I'm a percussionist in my head and the way I write. Yeah. You know, and Ricky, you know, when he was playing. and drums, total opposite. He was a guitar player first, and he's, you know, that's why him and I jell

so well with each other, because he's a drummer that plays guitar, and I'm a guitarist who plays drums, and we both just wanted to be the darkest, sickest, heaviest, was brutal, no melodies anything, you know? So I think my daughter's attack to life,

she gets that, but she's got a lot more pop and melody than I do. Man, adding that pop and melody in that She's a metal dude. I know, yeah. She'll be gnarly, man. She'll get him.

She'll be ten steps ahead of everybody else, hopefully. Totally. What bands have you played around her? Well, I took her to go see Suffo. We were going to go and see them live. You know, she got to hang out on the bus and say what's up to the bros. And anything that I do live, like I show her practices. She's been the TVV practice, finally vomit practice with Joseph and I.

She's been to cephalosity practice, you know. And I just, whatever. friends that I'm checking out, you know, online. She'll, yeah. Who's that, Papa, who's that? Who's that? You know, it's my friend right here. And, you know, I'm going to be jammed with those guys soon or coming up. So, you know, a lot of times different festivals and whatnot's nice to brush it up on your tunes for bands you don't know or you can go. Yeah. You know, who's playing what and they're set.

And then you know what songs you're going to get punched for because back of the days, man, you get super stoked to go and hear some songs with somebody, you know? And then they don't play it. And you're like, oh, if you would have all I just played this song? It's always a one or two songs. You're like, why are you fucking playing this song?

I know. I drew five hours to see you from Esquino. Yeah, for real, dude, you know? Yeah. I was like, oh, man.

All I wanted to hear was marital disimation, what the fuck, you know? Especially when we get, like, in like our age group, we're like, okay, I'll go to show

and they didn't play the song. Yeah, yeah, right. You know, the one I wanted, fuck. You know what it took me to go out,

I saw the house. Yeah, dude. Yeah, yeah. You got me out of the house, man. Oh, my goodness. That's just bros, though. Like, if there's a friend in town, even if I miss the show or the, you know, the bands opening up or whatever, it's like just so I can see them afterwards and hang out and just be in that vibe and that energy, you know what I mean?

Like seeing you guys got to catch a show, but still we hung out afterwards and it's just a camaraderie, man. Yeah. You know, it's like a constant flow when everybody's just stoked and it's all the music. and now it's a way of life. Before it was something I thought I just did and I was blessed to have but now I realize I'll be like 90 years old

dude shredding if I can. You're there already and dude We're at 90 I'm at 90s and years old really Dude we're for fucking going It was so cool to see you Because yeah

Because we spoke at the Ginger show In San Diego It's really cool to see you there And yeah What do you think about a band like Ginger? Dude they killed it You know Somebody years ago, when they first blew up, my buddy's brother

fucking sent me like a text, hey, check out this ginger band, man. They got some chick that does, like the raws like you do, you know? And I peeped it out and I was like, oh, shit, all right, you know. They got, I mean, not something I had bumped, but they had a good sound and I was like, fuck, right, they shred, you know. And then the more they came around, you know, I jammed different songs or whatnot. And I was like, oh, okay, fucking, you know.

Yeah. They're doing something. And then all of a sudden, I saw that you guys. guys on the same bill yeah and i was oh wow talk about either you know like doing some cross fucking phasing with some bands yeah it's like it was actually a great blend and the fans everybody there was just everybody had the same energy and they were just stoked for the heaviness that all you guys and the melody of course everybody brought but then by talking to them afterwards it blew my mind how and open my eyes and as to like just metal is metal you know what

I mean, because a lot of the ginger crew and a couple of the members of the bands that I met, members in the band that I met were Discorge fans. And Discourge is, I mean, he's like, you know, we're fucking like one of the, there's not much melody and things to grasp for people to be like, oh, wow, I really like this band. You know, it's kind of either goes right by you or it fucking hits you like a ton of bricks and you get back up and say, wow, I want to fucking do that shit again. Yeah. What was that?

Then you just get hit with another train fucking ride over again, all over again, you know, just constant. Dude, constant. Just relentless, consistent brutality. Yep, whole time, man. Whatever melody we come, we're like, oh, now that part is kind of gay,

you know. You can't. This is early 90s, sorry if that wasn't politically correct, everybody. That's sick, dude. But, you know, we try to just stay brutal and not write a rhythm

that sounds like somebody else or write a rhythm that sounds the same is what we did already. You know, it's like there's... We did something we constantly worked on and luckily the fans are... They dug it and are still digging it. Apparently, you know.

30 years, dude. I know. A big gnarly, man. 32 years. Yeah. Over 30 years. And you joined the band, I want to say, 97? Yeah, 96, 97. Yeah. Dude, that is... 25 years. Over 25 years is fucking brutal riffs. Oh, totally. Dude. I was working graveyard at a gas station. Oh, my goodness.

And I was in Escondido. And then I'd, so I'd be in Esco, like, three days of the week. And then I'd go to Pacific Beach, Mission Beach, where Maddie and Tony and Derek were. So, Derek would, Tony had already been through the ringers showing a bunch of guitar stuff. And even though we were a homies, he's like, I can't do it, Diego. I ain't got no fucking patience no more, you know? So Derek and Maddie really wanted me to be a part of the scourge. So Derek put in the work to show me the tunes.

I learned the tunes on bass and then brushing up, you know, whatever chords with Tony I could. And I'll tell you, playing into the demo, like, Ricky Myers has his own flow on drums. He does. Like, everybody thinks just by listening to it, like, you try playing with that motherfucker man.

You play the demo all day long. You know, like Maddie got me, or he loaned me as Baby Taylor and a metronome. When I sat there, you know, at the grass station, rewind and play on the tape deck, no tabs, just luckily I can remember, you know, a lot of rhythms. I'm tape deck. Yeah, rewind and play on a tape deck and for the demos.

And remembering, you know, what Derek showed me. And fucking, I go, I think, man, I had that shit tight, fucking down. You know, go home, play on my rig, raw, to the demos. Boom, go to practice. Ricky, I would anticipate, after a couple of practices where I was way off, I would anticipate, like Ricky's little isms or flow, man. Nope. Couldn't do it.

It took a lot to actually get on with that dude until you just, you know, the flow. It's all about flow. Flow. You know, it's all about flow. You had to figure out the flow and those little nuances. Oh, yeah. With this playing style. Oh, totally.

You know. Yeah. And then from years of jamming together, we, you know, you can anticipate what's going to happen in the transitions. And one day, you know, one day is going to be faster or slower than the other days. Yeah, and so you were practicing before, so you're getting ready to enter your life with this gorge and have this life, but you're working graveyard with the acoustic guitar. Yeah. Learning probably the most brutal death metal on the planet. Oh, yeah.

Essentially. And you're playing, you're practicing it on acoustic. I mean, that sounds like. Because I had to line up, you know. I was playing strangulation. It was all kind of like morbid cannibal. You know, with some stuff, oh. But, and so it's all,

you know, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't, do-da-d-d-d-da-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-dddddddard. So I can't, you know, I couldn't, I'm not Steve Asheem, dude, I can't downpick that fast, you know? And, believe it now, he's a badass guitar players as well as a genre. I hear Steve is, like, a legend.

Yeah. I mean, I mean, Hillman and Gleiner, I mean, our OGs as well, you know. Holy moly. Yeah, for sure. So, you know, I couldn't downpick that fast, so I had to learn alternate, and that wasn't my forte per se was all the string skipping and the alternate picking. So that's when Maddie said, here, play, you know, Derek's super, you got to get that last note, that last note up, you know.

That's why if you hear it doodoo-d-d-da-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d, you know, to finish off the beat. So metachanome acoustic and Maddie and Derek like this is the best way for. you to learn a technique and get shit down so you're solid. You know, I'm a pretty loose guitar player as it is. You know, I'm really a lot of feeling and I'll lock myself in a room for a little bit. And then I'm like, what the hell am I doing this shit for you? Still, still do it, man. I feel you, man.

Same. I'm not Ingveh. You know, I got too much flavor to give to sit there and just work on and perfect it that tight and then beat myself up later if I ever don't. You know, I just got to keep it free, man. Yeah, I keep it free. Yeah, we're so hard on ourselves, even when we practice perfectly. Totally.

Oh, this shit sucks, dude. I suck. That's just how it is, dude. That's how it is. Yeah, it sucks. Especially if you have a good day, one day, and then also in the next day. And then you always compare it to that one good day. Yeah.

That's how it is. But at least it's a reminder, I knew I can do it, you know. Yeah. As long as you do it once, you have your new bar. Yeah, exactly. It's like chasing the dragon, right? Yeah. It's like, oh, my goodness, dude.

Yeah. But you and Ricky has such a chemistry in music because, I mean, I'm not sure if you're aware, Diego, but a lot of people talk about you in my chosen genre of music. Talk about you and disgorge as being one of the heaviest bands on the planet. You know, like bands like obviously us, you know, we're always like, you know, always looking at bands like, you know, you. Right. You know, and so it's like, it's just your style has really, death mental today really hasn't been done with the death that you guys have. You know, the way like things were tracked, like on like, you know,

She lay gutted. There's like this dimension to it that I don't know how to put it into words. Like the flow of it, the way the guitars are, the way the drums are, and the plane and the, and it sounds like a free flowing way of writing. This just hasn't really I really haven't felt that way And it's hard to feel like that way

When you're listening to something so insanely brutal You know it's like man So it explains like it just sounds like you and Ricky And along with probably like the rest of the band Have like you're in a Sounds like you're in a garage Yeah And like this is this is the song

Let's fucking hash it out in a garage It sounds like part of it sounds kind of good A party like like shit Right You're just blasting amps in the garage And you're like getting those little nuances and flows to make sure it feels right, you know? Oh, totally.

Yeah. And we all, you know, we're counters. Yeah. So whatever, I don't know how everybody else does it, but, you know, every time there's a, there is a reason and a rhyme on how Ricky and I follow each other. You know, we're like, oh, the seventh note of this one out of like fucking 15 or whatever, you know? You accent on the seventh first,

and all of a sudden you come back on the 11th, 12th, and then it comes back in the 16th is actually the first. of the next. So it's like he'll do a certain accent while I'll do a little note on the third or something or like a harmonic or something and we just we do. We break it down to I'm sure everybody else does

because it all sounds sick but that's how we would write. We just sit there and whether it took you three hours for one freaking rhythm or section to actually write it as opposed to just feel it out or it could take that long to write the album because we're constantly changing things and filling it and learning off of each other, but when we actually would just buckle down

and just learning this part, then okay, learn that part. And then if something happens afterward, like the score is such a freestyle, like, writing band. Ricky and I would just fucking, I just come in. Some days you got a writing block and then Ben would be working on something in the corner

while Rick and Aaron jamming for weeks at a time. And we're like, oh, fuck, you don't, we have nothing. You know, I can't create with a shit. Rick is like, oh, you had a week. let me bring you some weed. Oh my goodness. Or different weed, you know, all I'm saying. Every a different weed.

Yeah, yeah. Let's try it out and all said, all over again. Oh, my goodness. He's like, all right, we got it. Let's do it. You know, and then, but we hit a wall or something because Rick and I mostly wrote. And then Ben would just have this rhythm that just come in. And luckily he was always, it was either like the intro or the bridge or something to where we would just come in and boom.

You know, it just a perfect, you know, just a perfect wall. We hit our own wall and then Bama come in Bama come in with a wall and just be like all right here

fucking lock this shit down and open up a whole new fucking world after that Wow Yeah gnarly dude

It's super rad So when Ricky and I would just beat ourselves you know To put all the accents in on this section

Keep on playing and see what happens You know and night times At a 10 Good shit would come out of it later you know

Yeah It's like It sounds like you're playing It is freestyle Like you're just playing, you're just jamming a real time and just hashing out. Sometimes things won't stickles sounding shit. Yeah. You're just, I assume it's just fucking blasts.

Going to rolls and then you're like just going. Yeah. And we look at each other and we're all, okay, yeah, do that again. Or fucking, faster, you know, or fucking, you know, when you lean into each other to get ready for the next change. That's exciting, man. Or threes. You know, when you look at threes, that's when you start shoving. Gaw, cock, gawk.

You know? Oh, yeah, dude. Or fast. You know? Yeah. You span has their own terms for what you're doing. Something gnar, you know. You like, you give them like, like to look.

Yeah. Yeah. But, you'll go like a quick, like. Yeah. Quick, a quick, a little bugger, right? You're trying to rip and point in the same time? Oh, yeah, dude. Oh, my goodness.

It's the best, dude. It is. It is the best, you know? And back in the day, I mean, you used to jam five nights a week. So it was just. Oh, that explains that the fucking consistency. Oh yeah, I did consume and, well, especially a consume era, but gutted and consume, those were all just five nights a week. The only way you're going to get somewhere is if you fucking put in the work and the practice and write, you know, we just have to, even though it took us so long to put out albums we were trying to write the whole time.

Yeah, I mean, so you're writing filet gutted, but it seems like you already had rips and songs. that were in your previous band, correct? Yeah, yes. Okay. Yeah, strangulation was what Ben and I had in high school with Travis Ryan on drums. So random. I know. High school kids, dude.

That is so... That is definite history. Yeah, Travis and I went to middle school together. And then he went to high school and then I started. He's always been into music. I've listened to it, but that just been in music, you know, forever. Yeah. Trying to just prove himself, find himself, fucking everything.

Dude, Travis is in it, you know? So he Yeah, his first demo with Stigmata He actually wrote to Metal Blade And I was like, yo, here's my demo tape And they're like, what are you kids doing? This is fucking, you know, nothing. And he was like, whoa, fucking whatever, you know

And I was all, well, you wrote to fucking, what, What, you know? I didn't even play guitar at the time And I was, you wrote to Metal Blade? What are you doing, you know? Yeah. And he did it. Every demo, everything recorded,

he sent it out and just kept his name and now look at the dude, you know? He's like, Federal B-P-A-R guy kind of. Insane. I mean, yeah. I mean, Travis,

if you don't, I mean, you're not aware for those of you watching listening. Travis Ryan is the singer of the legendary

band cattle decapitation. And you guys is by coincidence the universe has put you in the same middle school together.

That is so, that is so random. Totally. Totally. Yeah. And he's all, dude, he was pumped

for like a year and a half. Come on, come on, join my band, join my band. I want to become more brutal.

I had the confidence. You know, I was like, I play guitar, but I'm like a guitarist, I mean, I'm a skater. Whatever, I'm going to go skate. I'm not going to practice, you know? Yeah.

And then, well, I busted my ankle, you know, was out for, was out. Of course. It was out for a while, man, I got really good at guitar, I wrote a bunch of songs, and then my brother and I played in a grindcore band, a Malefic Plague. Yeah. And then we got a bass player for a little bit, Tino. And then next thing you know, again, I just started getting really good, dude.

And my brother, you know, he'd, again, I don't really drink at the time, you know, So he'd be putting down the beers. And when the drummer doesn't, when he doesn't finish a beat or he comes in early, you know, big brother, little brother, it's your fault, you didn't, you know. And I was all, oh, you fucking suck. Yeah, I just, I didn't finish the rhythm, really. You know, I still got two more notes. I know I didn't, you know.

Yeah. And then finally I just, you know, just had enough, man. And I said, fuck it. I got like five or six songs a row under my belt. And I went to Stigma to practice. And everybody was cool, you know. Ben was kind of hard up looking. in the corner, like, what's this?

Of course. Skate rack kid doing coming in my garage, you know? Yeah. Patsy's at his mom's house, you know? Sick. And Ben was sick, dude. You're scary as hell-all-looking, you know?

When you look at him, even though he's the nicest guy. He looks intimidating. He does. Yeah, he looks gnarly, you know. His beard, bald. Oh, yeah. In high school, he's got a beard and everything already. Oh, we had the beard in high school?

Oh, yeah. That explains it. Oh, yeah. So, uh, but all of a sudden, sort of jamming, man, he's all. Oh, nice. you know. Here another one. you got another one?

Fucking boom, dude, I bust out like five, six songs. Travis's back. They're all, he's all, yeah,

you know, because he wanted to bring more heaviness as a, they were playing like a lot of slayer, death, you know?

Cepletura, you know? Yeah, not so much brutal and Travis was already in a grind core forever, you know? Yeah.

So I came in and I was like, all right, we're doing some blast bees and some fucking rolls because he liked this symbol like Sean Reiner, you know,

those kind of accents. Yeah. And, dude it was dope had a good run and then you know grow up musician changes everything and then from disgorge and strangulation

playing the shows together strangulation didn't have anything for like a year and a half and finally you know because I didn't ever want to leave and leave Ben behind when I jammed or join another band or whatever he was

you know my left hand man dude so well I'm not going to go join another band and not have you know like my buddy with me you know losing members and shit Yeah. Yeah.

But, um. Breast and Pete's Ben, man. Yeah. Fucking out, you know. He, uh, he passed away until I was in 2008. Yep. And I've seen him, I've seen him with you guys so many times. Now you guys just locked in, dude.

Dude. He was fucking nuts. He'd cut in my house. I'd go to his house and we'd just sit on the couch and that's how I showed him with him. You know, no tabs, no nothing. Just, you know, we'd all be hanging out all the time. So I'd go by his pad for the next day, for practice or whatever. You know, if we were meeting at his house.

And he'd be on his bed, passed out with his bass, going through the rhythms last night. You know? That's a lifer, dude. Beat that shit down, you know, beat it in your head. And after playing bass, it's cephalotches, dude, I don't know how he did it in disgorge. Or a lot of these other sick finger bass players do, you know. It's gnarly stuff, man. Yeah, how do you play discorgerus on a bass?

You have to be a badass. Yeah. And fall asleep with a bass on your chest. You know, you have to. You don't. Oh, yeah. It's not a part of a other way. Yeah, totally, dude.

You know. Yeah. So, luckily from playing shows with each other, we already party with each other and had that vibe. So next thing you know, opportunity came up for the scores to get a second guitarist when they finished the, not the gray demo, but the second demo after it, the one that was really the cranial demo. And they combined those and made the record. Yeah, the record through extremities first. Mm-hmm. And then, yeah, man, next thing you know, I came part of the.

The Scourge camp, dude, and all the musicians, you know, the musicians that have come and go. Luckily, you know, Ricky and I still talk and stuff, you know, and if he ever picks up his drums, you know, we could throw a couple of tracks down or something, but. That'd be sick. Man, that vibe that we had back in the day, dude, there's a reason it was what it was, you know? It's the reason why we're talking about it now in front of cameras and lights. Yeah, I know. I know. Oh, my God.

Yeah, totally, dude. Dude, there's something to, again, I have trouble putting words to it, like what, you know, I mean, you experienced it, man. Oh, dude. I was just a kid. Writing that kind of death metal. Yeah. You know? I got, I got like a real, like a big jazz background in my family.

And my brother's seven years older. He was all into anything he listened to, I basically was right behind him. So when Slayer came out, like in the 80s, dude, when he went from punk to thrash. next thing you know I go home brother's got his vinals he's all meddled out just killing it you know I'd be air guitar playing

rah you know so sick you know little grommet what was the band that you heard that was like okay I want to go like I'm I need to go heavy as possible oh man

Suffo they were definitely the something that put set something in sight first of course cannibal and poor guts and morbid, you know, trying to emulate those guys, along with Simpiltero and Slayer and all the thrash bands. But, yeah, definitely when Suffol hit, and I heard fucking those harmonics dude and just the darkness of them. But then they also had groove. Like, how are you groovy and still, like, kind of the darkest, most brutal band, like consistently, kind of that same energy, the driving stuff.

Because there was other bands, melting, melting dark kind of bands. But Suffo just, they were grooving, dude, and they were just hitting, and all the weird sounds. And the musicianship, you heard every freaking note they were doing. Yeah. No matter how shitty the recording was, fucking you heard, you know. Terrence and fucking Cerrito, dude. You know, freaking, those dudes.

Shut up to fucking Terrence, dude. And everybody else that played in their shoes, you know. My goodness, dude. What years is this, you think? Shoot, probably 90. 90? Yeah, 89, 90 for the picture probably. Dude, Mike Smith on drums, do holy moly.

I know. Can't fuck with that, dude. No. If you're in a definite band, it's so crucial to have a drummer with personality, dude. It's so crucial, man. Yeah. We're like, that's them. Yeah.

You know? Oh, yeah. And Brigitte had this, like, kind of like, we were just talking about earlier. It's like this, like machine gun character to it. Yeah. You know, it's like, it's like a fucking machine gun. Yeah, he wanted to be brutal, dude. Rolls aren't brutal, so what are you going to do?

What are you going to do rolls for, you know? Just fucking... Rolls on brutal. Yeah, dude. Blast over here, blast over here, blask right there, you know? Clip that. Yeah, that's the... Oh, my goodness.

Well, until Derek Roddy comes out and all of that, you know, and all of a sudden, Rick's like, oh, what? So that's why I consume the forsaken, you know? Yeah. There's a little bit more roll. Like, and gut it, like, what, cranial? There's probably three or... full rolls, which are like...

There isn't roles in that, huh? And then it goes, Bump! Interesting, I didn't notice that. There's your role. And then gutted saying, wait, you know, that might be... I didn't notice that.

Oh, yeah, bro. So it took seeing Derek be like, okay, I'll throw in a roll on consume. Oh, yeah. Yeah, when In Cold Blood came out and then he went to Nile, all of a sudden, you know, certain, you know how there's certain things that impact, like...

They just hit you. They just hit you. They just hit you. Boom. Oh, yeah. Like when Rick first heard gorgasm, he tried to line up at dirt, you know? He was like, how the fuck are I'm going to make my feet do that?

Yeah. We'd show up. He'd be at practice like an hour. We were just, grr, getting this double base, trying to match up. Oh, my case. I can't imagine those nights. Yeah, dude. And then all of a sudden, you know, same thing.

When the rolls came out, he's just like, what, you know, start incorporating some shit. And then the evolution of our writing, too. You know, it's kind of like, you need a little bit more. You can't just be blasting the whole time. You know, and luckily it went from a Sopho Blast to a Cannibal Blast, and then the offset, you know, Suffol Blast, you know. What's the, what's the, right foot, left foot, where the, that lines up with this

every beat. That's a, that, that's an offset blast? No, that's the Suffo, yeah, but, but you said a. Offset is where it's the, oh, I call it. Split time. Split time, oh, wow. I call it a Euroblast. The Euroblast?

I'm not sure you, I'll be like, yeah, the fuck. Like, like, you know, alternating. Yeah, yeah. I bought the fucking Kevin Talley DVD on eBay. Oh, badass. I want to know how to blast beat. And I didn't play drums, but the band always practiced in my house. I always had a drum set.

I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to blast. Yeah, dude. I think he called it like a Euroblast. So it's kind of stuck in there. I'm fucking 15. Yeah, no, no way. It just kind of stays with you. But you could have offset blast.

Yeah, well, because the beats offset, none. It's offset. Yeah, the offset. Oh my goodness. Yeah, dude. That's how, yeah, we got the Suffo Blast is the Mike Smith. You know, and then instead of calling it, like, the Sandoval, you know, the offset, we just call it, you know, the offset, we just call it the bomb blasts. Well, we call it the cannibal blasts, like the double base.

Are this the same thing, cannibal and bomb blasts, you think? Yes. Yeah, the same thing with the kids just, like, double time and then, like, the high hat and snare lock. Yeah, lock up with the right foot every. you fucking, you know. When you have your own style and then the bands that are the sickest call that part your band.

Yeah. Subpoblast, Camelblast. I mean, you fucking did it. Yeah. Well, we'd have our, our emo,

our emo rhythms. Yeah. Like basically, when you hear the scores doing their straightforward shit and there's some weird, you know, be like, all right,

you know, we all, we need something to spice up this little transition here. You know, what can we do? Yeah. And then, fuck a rib,

I don't know. play something that kind of sounds like in Malaysian. Oh, fuck, all right. You know, try to try to get fucking, you know, all whizzy with it and shit, dude, making it all weird. And next thing you know, that's the, you know, that's the M.O. And when we write down the songs, structure-wise, we'd have the deicide.

Like, basically when we're grooving, that's our deuside. Oh, wow. Because it's got that deicide groove. Yeah, so this sounds like Legion. Yeah, oh, yeah, dude, totally. you know like once upon the cross type of type of groove

you know yeah yeah so since you mentioned that you brought five six songs from the previous band to Discordge so since it went into Discourge how are you writing riffs for your previous band that eventually those songs went into Discordge like how are you

writing those those riffs just the same just whatever I have in my head I put it down and then I go and hey Travis you know how do you try to play this beat or that beat or how do you feel under this and then when disgorge had the first hiatus when Ricky came back he joined strangulations so

because I didn't want to leave Ben behind and my brother and start doing disgorge all over again now we have an opportunity to bring him have him as BR drummer you know but disgorge had a little bit more clout and Ricky was in San Diego and my brother was already getting like a family and a house and all that stuff so it's kind of like wow all right like bigger shit.

And I already knew shitload of guitar songs. I mean, Discord tunes, you know? Yeah. So I was down. You know, I was like, hey, man, how do you feel about joining Discordge?

Because we all hung out. He's like, fuck yeah, let's do it, you know. What about your brother? And I was like, well, that part's going to suck. But.

Which it was. That's my older brother. He's the one that got me in the music, dude. So did you have to make that choice? Oh, thousand percent. But luckily,

luckily it was because, you know, showing it to practice, you know, so how are you, and he knows what it's like. He's, you know, he's the one that taught me the structure of coming to band practice and doing back practice because I'd go to his band's practices when he was on drums before, you know, back in the day when I was a kid. So, you know, straight up. If you can't make it to practice, you're not learning anything or doing your part. And then if you've got prior obligations at home with your family, you're not going to be able to tour, you know, and then you get a good

job. You're definitely not going to be able to tour. And we were, that was a reason. reason we did it once we started playing you know live shows we're like but yeah I want to you know I just want to play go on tour and do shows yeah you guys all had it in your mind already okay we need to like fully commit to this so we go like because I mean when like Shirley Goody came out

I mean you guys went all over North America you guys went to South America Europe I mean you guys fucking went all and we hit it hard dude when he first came out it was luckily long-awaited you know Eric from Deeds dude he went out and took the demos everywhere that he went so the scourgeous fan base grew from Deeds

cruising around and playing shows, being like, oh, check these guys out from San Diego. So luckily a lot of a lot of people had, you know, had already heard about us. So we were from Eric. From Eric. From Eric, from Deeds, yeah. He had to go around, him and, you know, the band would just cruise around and, you know, that's how we heard about origin and Safarcah Carnage. You had to come through, dude, check these guys out.

Check these guys out. So before our unique leader, he was already in network and just. He was already doing that. For dope bands. never mind business he was just like do listen to this listen like i got my own beef for the guy even though he's dead whatever but i got a love and grace that i got to give him because honestly just like ben you know if it weren't for those dudes who knows of disgorge would be where we are today you know definitely wouldn't be as big because eric was showing it to everybody

check these guys out boom the grain demo and then the cranial demo Not even out yet, but listen to Maddie's way his fucking toilet bowl vocals, you know? That's a great description. You know? And that's the intro to the record. You know, it's so sick, dude. You can't open up a record much better than that. It's just a girl.

Yeah, I know. It's like, let's just do this. Yeah, it's kind of like anal-cunt. You know, there's just a bunch of gnarly shit coming your way and some of them. it you get and some of it you don't and you hear like that's that second demo from Discord technically the third but when you hear it man and you're just like well and then all of a sudden there's a break where you can groove all the all the technical stuff's gone and you're all you know or your mind's going what the f's that you know and all of a sudden come come

gong oh hell yeah and all of a sudden right back to it oh shit yeah ears and brain going like this the whole time every now and then you get to breathe just like playing the instrument you know you're really don't realize you're holding your breath and you're shredding and all of a sudden you're going to do a part and you're all okay

oh wow I gotta physically breathe I gotta fucking physically do something you you uh Diego you you touch on something that I'm very I'm very curious on you you said that you hear the riffs

in your head so like you're literally like you like a pattern or a riff and like you literally try to play it correct? Totally like you're either you're either walking around a house and maybe you're skating or maybe like you're

taking a chunk you actually it's actually inside of you yeah I'm in a tune not even not even necessarily the rhythm it'd be like the beat rhythmically that I'm hearing and then which is pretty rad after joining the scourge because I always had that stuff in my head I just whoa I just wasn't good enough to play so all of a sudden I joined the scourge and you have to learn how to play the dude isn't that weird how like

a riff in your head is always harder than you actually play oh yeah so then you just have like just the the action getting in it out

is so it fucking piss me off still dude oh for sure to get it out you're like oh it's not it's not what

I have in here yeah so it's sometimes I'll spoil it but yeah it's just then you like you just put in work at that point

you're trying to get whatever it's in your head out yeah you know it's just super tough dude totally hour and a half to two hours just for

five seconds worth of music Oh, dude, don't even start with that, dude, for real. And that's the only to get started. That's the only to get started, dude. And it's funny, like, sometimes, like, you'll only, that idea in your head will sometimes lead to something else. Yep.

So, whenever you get a sound in your head, you have to try to get it out, because you don't know where it's going to go. Oh, yeah. So sometimes it's not even about the sound of your head. It's about, like, what's going to come after that if you sit down and do. Yeah. It's amazing, dude. Amazing.

If we didn't have to work and raise children and we could just sit in the studio all day. and just everything that just came out of us. Yeah. Like all those, there's a lot of, I mean, you know, Cardi B,

dude, that chick, freaking sat there and wrote music constantly and just released mixed tapes fucking constantly and just got it out. Yeah, dude. One of her lyrics, I heard that job,

what, two mixed tapes in six months, nobody's working as hard as me. Whoa. Damn straight. Just, you know, I know I got it in me,

dude, I just never put it down. And when we're in that zone, it's nice, but now with a kid and work and, you know, priorities. I got to be a dad first. Yeah.

And I can't. I got just so many times I go to leave the house and she's holding mine on my leg. Don't go, Papa, don't go. And I'm all, you know what? Fuck it. Two weeks before the show,

I'll pick up my guitar and, you know? Yeah. That's the life, dude. And eventually she'll, you know, I'll have the time eventually. Totally. I'm still here. I think you're here for a long time, Diego.

Yeah, I think so, too. Your vibe is way too positive for you to leave us soon. Yeah, dude, I still got so much music that needs to come out, dude. Yeah, for sure. Thank you. I need you too, man. Yeah, for sure.

Honor, man. Hell, yeah. Where along in, what year was it, you, along in your career that, like, you, like, you became a dad? You know, what, like, what year is that? Um, just at, actually, basically, when Rick, man, Rick joined Suffo. Like, about, yeah, she's five and a half years now, so about six years ago. Hmm. Yeah.

Halloween, actually, Halloween, six years ago. I swear to God, I remember the night she was consummated. Oh, my goodness. I do. I do. It's like, this is it. Yeah, something. There's always nights at some bomb sex or something, but.

Of course. That night, dude, something was in, you know, I was in a gnarly part of my life, man, and fucking something hit. And then a couple days later, you know, fucking something was different. And it was kind of like, you know what? Get a test, you know? It's fucking good. When I went, then I went and pulled.

five more, fucking make sure. Just to confirm. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, dude, because I always knew I'd be a bomb dad, but I had a lot. I wasn't planning on being dad, you know. It was in planning. I don't know.

And then all of a sudden, I was like, well, here we go. Get ready, you know? And it was cool getting into tunes. And, you know, when you got a fucking somebody at home to help, you know, with your kid so you can be away, it makes all the world of a difference, you know, because then you can still do it. And when their babies, like Ed Tolorda told me, you know, my guitarist, he's like,

just a little vessel, man, like the first year or two. And then all of a sudden, boom, personality. And it's a little person. And you're like, oh, fuck, you know. So it was a little, it's harder now to leave and go out, like, touring months at a time. You know, I got to be here to buy example for her now. If I'm gone, if I'm gone and she had daddy issues, dude, it'll be all my fault. You know?

Yeah. And as long as I'm home and she won't have daddy issues. A thousand percent. I can, I know that, you know. Yeah. So I got to do my part in whatever, you know. So I'm a feeling, feeler kind of dude, you know, and if something doesn't feel right or whatever, you know,

it's got a, you know, the legacy, legacy of our music and legacy of our bloodline and greatness for the rest of humanity, man, we've got to do our part to make sure we bring good people in this, good solid people in this world. Yeah. Because the solid people hang out with other non-so solid people, and then all of a sudden, solidarity kind of has a fluctuation and hope for the best. Yep.

It sounds like becoming dad, like, changed you. Yeah, big time. It mellowed me out a lot, you know? I reflect and I'm always reflecting on myself and life. But having to live for, excuse me. Having to live for somebody else, I have to, you know. So many times I would do this, could do this, do that, do that. But if I feel like I'd be making her think more later in life, you know, you got to, it's, we, our kids are an environment of, like, us.

Yeah. Basically, you know. She's going to have her own isms and whatever. Yeah. It's all an example and a product of what we show them and give them. And if I'm not here to talk to her, which I do constantly, you know. It sounds like it. Fucking wisdom, dude.

You know, keep her feet on the ground and her head on her shoulders. She is in control of herself, and everything that is around in comes to her. And if she thinks otherwise, tries to put the blame, you know, point the finger to somebody else, You got freaking three more coming right, three more pointing right back at you. So you can't, you know, I got to instill those values in her because, you know, we're going to have some strong females coming up, man. And we need to have them be solid. And, you know, I don't got no boys.

So, you know, she's going to be my legacy coming up. And I want her to do it, right? And instill those values in her kids, too. and that's I'm lucky I'm lucky I got badass parents man where I can pass it on yeah

and every time I think about her I get choked up unconditional love man it's not so much different than a dog you know or a cat or an animal or or music you know it's just that

that part of life and humanity that there's no question you know that's a part of you right there. And it's pretty gnarly. When you got the news, were you, were you scared? Yes, totally, because I knew I really had to, you know, the area I was in and how she was going to come into the world, you know?

Fucking, I had to, like, fuck, get ready. You know, I already, I already, like my dad said, you, man, make your bed, you got sleep in it, you know, so. Yeah. Fucking irony, all right. get ready for the ride and try your best. You know, and luckily, you know, I got such great support in my family, dude, that, you know, I'm just lucky because if I was on my own, like a lot of these other people, dude,

I could not imagine being on my own trying to raise a kid. And, you know, I got so much help. They give me me to do it. But it's a peace of mind, especially being a musician and taking the time off to go and, you know, like come out here instead of being at home, doing her home. homework or something. Totally. You know, fucking, and I know she's safe and cool and happy. Yeah. You know? It's a different story, man, you know? Yeah. What was, it's sounding, I mean, it sounds like you had a really strong foundation as far as, like, like your family. Like, what was your upbringing like?

Oh, yeah. Uh, dad's in the military. Well, basically all my uncles, everybody, since all the wars have always had, like, a military family. Really? Yeah. And, uh, yeah. If I could have had long hair in the military, dude, I would have been like... Oh, my goodness. I would have been a badass dude in the military, man, if I could have had long hair. Might have saved your life? I have a long hair.

Oh, my goodness, dude. Yeah, skateboarding is a lot better than be... I'd rather be in the gutters skating than in the trenches with the guns, man. I'd rather have a fucked-up ankle, dude. Yeah, I know. Yeah, exactly. What's up, dude? For sure.

My goodness. But, uh, just good solid foundations, man, you know? and I was always just my mom always playing music growing up and on my mom's side that's where the music comes in all my uncles were in their 90s you know and playing bands writing their own music and my mom plays piano and my dad's got like the mechanics

and the you know crazy book smart freaking you know he's a smart man yeah I get like I get some math I get the math from him and wow And I bring in all the crazy fucking pentachronics from my mom, you know? Whoa.

I got a pat on that still, pentachronics. Dude, do you find that like your, if you, you know, where, excuse me, if you were lucky enough to have a strong foundation of parents, do you realize that, like, they would actually influence your music and writing? I noticed that. Oh, yeah, for sure. All the funk that my mom would play, you know, growing up. And then all the, like the, like the salsa and the oldies and big band that my uncles would play,

I was around music constantly. And my dad always played like classic rock, but not the poppy kind of classic rock. Yeah. You know, so always surrounded around music. And I think from having the discipline, you know, it's just instilled to, you know, that part of life too. To you're going to practice and you got to, you're there to. to work and then move forward not just

you know like party you know party's like always fun at practice too but nothing really gets done unless you're working on shit exactly

okay this will explain this is something I'm always curious about real quick so when you're because you touch on something very like seems small but I'm not going to go over it there's this illusion of when you're writing music

or you're hanging out with your band And, you know, let's say, you know, you're in, you're in this gorge. And it's fucking 97, 98. You're writing one of those brutal records that's about to come out. And there's this illusion of what is actually happening in the room. People think you're partying. But it's actually when you're done with the day. And then you start drinking and hanging out with, with the buddies.

It's not before. Correct. And this order I found by talking to, honestly, Diego, like a lot of younger bands are trying to make that step of doing anything outside of their own town. And right when I start talking, I get it. I'm like, oh, well, you have the order backwards. And that if you just change that order from party after, you're done with riding for an hour or two or five hours.

When your day is done, then you do the fuck you want. Yeah. Then lift the lifestyle. But you can't live the lifestyle without putting in that work first. Totally. If you're lucky enough to kind of ride the wave as you go, you know, be, that way you're not. Because for me, play it live or something, two beers, max, you know. And then, okay, a little warned up, you know, but if I, I cannot, I can smoke weed fucking all day, be asleep, you know.

Yeah. Not even, like, Ben will do sound check, not even a sound check for him. He'll, you know, I ate some edibles one time before I went to Mexico and fucking. Oh, my God. Yeah, Mike and Trish Spratley, fucking from San Diego, fucking Grave-Rog productions, man, they'd, okay, give, this is very strong. It looks like a small piece of a brownie, but it's very, very. strong, split it up, give it to the band, nobody wanted any, and I'm a chocaholic

dude, so I'm mac on the whole thing, falling asleep, walking across the bridge we get to the venue, boom, pass out, and all of a sudden bands waking me up, signing aggras in my sleep, and then, you know, yeah, I set up your gear for you, starting to

play. I'm like, oh my shit, no sound check, you're all set up, let's go. Oh, shit, I gave up there, man, and I'm like in a day, you know, doing it, pulling through, you know, this is like 99 gutted days and I'm just like on tour with the incantation at the time

oh my goodness and I was oh shit you know fucking about as pretty cloudy but I was pulling through and then finally clicked like a song and a half in and I was like oh okay here we are but if I was hammered or drinking nope

oh yeah it just doesn't work yeah it just doesn't work it does not work so I can't even you know if you're on a good one before you get to practice Just hope your mentality is like you're going to go and do it, do it. And if you're going to waste somebody's time, just say, you know, you guys can work on something or can we work on something easy, my bad, sorry, or something.

But luckily, disgorge was always just, you know, you know, not too. We just were all on the same track to not do anything, you know. Band would drink his beers. I started drinking, like, later, just come in all lit and, you know, drink casually. But I don't really drink to get fucked up anyways. So it's always just kind of. you know, doing it. But yeah, the people that come in and it's not going to sound good, you're not going to

remember it. It's going to be off. And then depending on your emotions or mentality, things could get stupid at practice and, you know, over the years of doing it and member changes, dynamics are a huge part of making something successful. Totally. You know? And it's, like you said, it's not real small, but it's actually really big, you know?

And we took, Ed was our sound guy. Ed Toledo was our sound guy on that tour. Really? That's kind of how he came into the band. Levi was in, well, those two are like San Diego. Levi, when he moved to San Diego, their vocalist for parallels, him and Ed, you know, you go to shows, and him and Ed were, you know, hanging out, and he's like, dude, let's get it.

It's a second guitar player. I was like, wow, man, you know, got to show somebody all this, and then he's going to write, you know, more fucking hard work and gnarliness and then another attitude in the band or personality actually. Sure. Like, fuck, you know. And then from taking him on the road And handled his shit

I already knew he was a shredding guitar player You know he played Immortus Terror And we played shows together And I was like dude This guy's a monster And he's got like 10 years on me You know 20 of playing Like he was he was already playing

Playing thrash shows You know Back in like the late 80s and 90s dude When I was you know Barely coming up in the garage Ed was already playing He was already playing a show That guy's fucking dope you know

Yeah But you know He had a lot of energy especially back then. So it's kind of like, fuck, dude, how are we going to do this? And then we took him on the road two weeks and everything was fucking cool, man.

So I was like, all right. And next thing you know, it was the best thing we could have ever done. Really? Oh, yeah. So yeah, because, I mean, another thing that people don't realize, like, you guys were a four piece.

Forever. That's, if, that's really, if you even look at the music and listen to it, it sounds like a fucking wall. of like, how many guitar players do they have? Yeah, dude. And all those riffs.

Yeah. You know, they got buried a lot from being a four piece. Really? Coming up with underground, like live show-wise? Sure. Because coming up back in the day, you know, you play shitty shows, dude, and fun like 20 people when you're getting paid 50 bucks or whatever. Like, you know, you're playing a coffee house, dude, with just when triggers were coming in, you know?

And you either triggers and vocals are coming out of the mic. You got your bass and guitars, nothing's miced, and you got, if you want a mic anything, and so I'll say it. Oh, I see what you were saying. So frequency-wise, is there sound, like the wall of sound coming? It was, it was, it was. So I invested in two rigs. I'd have a full stack here and a full stack here next to Venn. That explains it.

And fucking, we were just like, you know, I had my Randall stack at first, and then my marshal, and then I went from my marshal to my mesa. And same of recording was like gutted. gutted I used Eric's Eric's rig on one track and I used my ADA on mine and then on consume I use my martial rig and then my Mesa rig for dual guitars

and then on parallels Ed had his rig and then I had my rig. So but playing live back in the day like there's so much involved with Discord stuff that you know there's no no value I can't hear fucking anything and I had my sound scooped

like you need you need to be Yeah, I mean. It's this weird thing. Like, you want the scoop sound, but you want it, you want it present. And it's like, almost like that's impossible fucking thing to hit. Turn it up, bro. Turn it up.

Like, it's already out 10, you motherfucker. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know about spinal tap back then until you could turn it up to 11, you know. And I didn't know about frequencies and, like, equalizing, you know. Like, you can still have a dope sound and have it kind of sound ballsy without having, oh, you're a mid-scoop down. Totally. You know? That probably explains why you got the 2-12, huh?

Oh, yeah. I remember seeing you guys many times like, why does he have that, like, what is that 212? Yeah, well,

that was, Ed, when he was working at a guitar trader, he won that for like sales men of the month or whatever, dude. So he's like, hey,

he's all, how about going up there? We got fucking, uh, truck, you know, three quarter stacks. He's all less to here.

And he's like, you don't get the wah-wam when you're playing a live and the full stack. And the end, the thing about the Gansmans, which helped their sound too, is those,

they have like a real punch mid sound to them. So I had the marshal scoops. I go back and forth in my marshal and mesa rig depending on how expensive tubes are at the time because it's retubing in my heads, you know? Sure. But going in with that Gensbans,

8, 16, 4-ooms, the back is like super compatible, and it has an out, you know, to come out. But it's got a good punchy, like, mid to it. So, you know, that's what that is, man. That's called lightweight. easy, you know, the space and, you know, evolving with my ear,

I was like, fuck, that's actually a really good standing cabinet too. Can we get kind of geeky for like a few minutes? Yeah. So what exactly did you use for, let's say, for example,

Healy gutted? Like, what's like, what was like your rig? A rig I had, ADA MP2. What is that? It's a preempt.

guitar preamp. Oh, it's a preamp? Yeah, like a rack preamp. Oh, okay. So it's got the little A, and then a D, like it's like a black, and it's got a blue A, D, and then A, you know, their logo. Yeah. And then I had, from Suffol, actually, when they came through, I think after Pierce, I started

seeing BBE, you know, Terence was like, dude, fucking get these, it's like the loudness button, you know, on your truck, you know, because it did. It had bring up the little conchunk. contour and you could bring up like the sub and like a little bit of sizzle on it. Oh yeah, BBE? Yeah, so that'd be like... Yeah, so they had that and the force gets, you know, devolving. That's what I had for that one first.

And then I had my, my pedals, I had my EQ and then, like a compressor or something. And then I had my Randall, my Randall stack. I think I didn't, I think I just barely got my mace and my Marshall when we went to record. And I was going to use my Randall cab and then my Marshall. and then Eric said, hey, you know what, just use, you know, use my rig for the other guitar track. So you have two separate...

Yeah, two separate sounds. Okay. Still have the same sound. So I had my sound on one, which is the ADA MP2, then my B.C. Rich bitch with the EMG 81 in it. And then the equalizer and the BBE.

And then I used the Eric's rig, which was the... What is it, D-D-something? Or digitech. His digit tech Preamp. Okay. And then Marshall and

I don't know he had for his for his power amp. That explains a lot. There's something about two completely separate guitar races that gives this dimension, dude. Yeah.

Like you don't realize it. Like, but when you really like it, what, what's, what is it about that that record or song or sound? It's like,

yeah, you have two different fucking sounds coming out you, do. You have, there's like this fucking dimension to it, you know?

Yep, yep. Yeah. Yeah. And I kind of got that a little bit from listening to like the early supo tracks for ones. Or even actually seeing them live. From seeing them live, you'd see like Doug, the Cerrito and Hobbs had just, one was a little bit more sizzle and one was a little bit drier. Oh, shit.

You know, but then when it comes in, and that's probably compensating for the bass frequencies too. You know what I mean? Which none of us, oh, I didn't know any of that stuff until the recent years after Ed, you know, teaching me about it and going to the studio and being like, you know, okay, there's a little bit more of a bass frequency in there, but we wanted Ben to still be, like, to play brutal, fucking fast, heavy music

and try to have it be heard, it's such a battle frequency-wise. Yeah. Because disgorge has always been about, I want to have my sound. You know, I'm not going direct, and then having you re-amp my guitar, that's not my sound.

It'll sound sick on the album, but when I go and play a live, am I going to have that too? You know, we're more of a live band than we were as a recording band. Yeah. You know? And same thing, like, same of Ben.

You know, we wanted to hear some of his click kind of like when you, like in the Legion album, you know, you hear Glenn fucking digging in that shit, man. Or like Alex Webster's, Alex Webster's, no matter what, that dude's going to be heard, you know. So with Ben, we're kind of like, my guitar is, my tone is so chunky and so heavy dude that, you know, like, the band is sometimes buried in the mix and you've got to bring it up enough to where he's heard. but then it kind of mud other stuff. And that's just due to frequencies. Is that what you were talking about?

Yeah, yeah, exactly, dude. So this is a pre-amp. Yeah, that was a pre-amp that I used. I've seen this before. Yeah, I don't even think they were around anymore. Holy moly. That was a big thing back in the day. Five killer tones.

Yeah, the MP1. That's what I played first. I had the MP1 first, and then I think like six months before the gutted recording, I got the MP2. Oh, that's full. Fucking sick. Np2.

Yeah, I don't know what that is. That's not... Oh yeah, that's a... That's a NAR. Is that the... Yeah, I don't remember having that one. I think I had the one on the left, the top left. Dude, you find a sick guitar preempt is so awesome.

Yeah, that's not my... The sound... And you find your sound? Oh, totally. You just like... I mean, all these bands. Wow, dude. Yeah.

I know. Super good. Yeah. But it's... Once you started touring, dude, you go and you play, and early days you don't have like money to fly your gear out

or like I was playing underground death metal dude you don't know what you're gonna run into you know I remember one show I played out of like a 12 inch practice amp like a little martial practice ant dude with an orange you know distortion pedal yeah and just my guitar and I'm all fucking here he got made my best and tried to try to luckily to score just so fast that

you know there's not we're not relying on the chunkiness of it to slam our way through we were just you know we had Ricky's blast back there to oh my goodness okay but it was a very it was very dry dirty where was this but we had it was in Brazil

Brazil course yeah we had Maddie's fucking vocals back there you know a little coffee house dude holy moly I know night before you're playing some fat like house of blues deal yeah yeah yeah

and all sudden Next day, you're like, well, here you go. You know, oh, this is my amp from home, you know. I don't know what happened. We couldn't get the gear supplied today. Oh, you know? Yeah. Shut the front door.

Here you go. Oh, my goodness, dude. What was your rig for consume? Consume? That's when I got my, my boss, my VF1. VF1. Yeah, it's a half rack, a preamp. Oh, a preamp.

Yeah. A boss preamp. Yep. Okay. And that thing. man I got it I got it yep

exactly that thing is fucking what is I've never seen that my fucking life that thing I got

I think I got a fuck dude what's his name I can't remember the guitar is for fucking

disant tune okay not Jordan I can't remember for the life for me but he F1

boss yeah well that thing's got amp simulators mic simulators speaker

simulators graphic EQ and like like another kind of EQ all kinds of it's got MIDI also

and it's I don't you know I don't use but it's got flange delay whatever but I play the 5150

that's the PV the PV 5150 is the one that's got the most distortion on that like the oh chunks more scupus

interesting this is what so what year is this hmm that's pipe 2000, I guess. Oh,

2000. Oh, yeah. Because I fried my gear in Brazil. What the fuck? Yeah, fried my gear. We went out there and, you know, the power converters. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the converter didn't work, apparently, up on stage.

Sound check worked. Yeah, we're fire your shit, dude. You're fucking done. It's gone. First sound check work. Second sound check, fucking turn it up. Start seeing a smoke. You see the smoke.

They didn't change, flip the switch after. after the opening band's sound check. So then I go up and all of a sudden sizzle. So when I came home, I had to look for a new one. And that was shit. Back in 2000, that thing was like 5, 515 used.

And I've bought two since then. I've had to go on like eBay online to find it. You got to stock them up at this point. Well, dude, preamps now are like 3, 5 grand. You know? Get a car for, I mean, granted my gear lasts me for 20 years.

And this is, I mean, this is kind of You keep you stuff with look at this picture. Just year 2000. And now we're so used to the Axe Effects of Kemper. This is a very similar picture here. Yeah, man. And I don't even know about 90% of that stuff. All the capabilities that thing, dude, I had no idea.

I just, oh, this might sound good. That might sound good. What is this? What is that? Wow. Yeah, that's dope. And you can have your name, like, you know, written on the screen. So I started by put Discordge on there.

Yeah. And then now after, you know, after like the 20th hiatus with Discord, I put Diego Orge on there. So it's just my sound instead of the disgorge sound. Well, you have your own sound. Yeah. I trip that shit out after a while. Yeah, do you fucking, I mean, you have, you know, you're, my son, we're saying, but you are Diego Sanchez. You have your own sound and you fucking, you know, create a, you know, the span of, you know, fucking over 25 years, you know.

Yeah, dude. It's pretty rad, too, because when it comes on, you're like, okay, I reckon, you know. know, recognize that tone, recognize that tone, or that song or something, man. Somebody today, or actually yesterday, so what band was he doing the podcast on? I was like, you know what? That was never discussed. I was, I'm assuming just disgorge because that's my legacy, you know? But I was like, TVVs been doing some stuff.

And instead of philotracy recently, I was like, and then, you know, I'm always talking about my solo stuff. But of course, yeah, what's kind of like, you know, I don't even know, man. We're just going to go wrap out. Neither, yeah, see what happens. Yeah. I have learned what during this thing, you know, I put loose nose. notes and let the conversation have its way. Yeah, for sure, yeah.

I kind of stopped, like, just trying to force a conversation. I have my notes, I do the research, and just let it flow. And just let it have it. It's like a riff for a song. Oh, totally, dude. Get out of your own way, dude. Yeah, totally. And just let it happen.

Yep. You know? I was asked, what time are you coming home tonight? I don't know. This is, you know, this is, it's just like going to practice when you're writing. Dude, I miss so many Thanksgiving, Christmas, birthday parties going, well, what happened? either you're getting ready for tour and you have to muscle it up

and play the set twice or you're just in writing zone and you're like well fucking I thought I was going to be there for two or three hours too and next thing you know six seven hours I come home fucking two or three o'clock in the morning

and you're like wow what am I going to do I was in a doghouse now I could give a fucking flying pig dude who's going to tell me when to stop doing my music regardless of what it is just like it's only a podcast it should be two or three

hours. Yeah, well, you know what? I'm fucking, you know, I met you already. So I was like, dude, I'm number one is, remember one, it's music, who knows? I was like, but this guy's freaking awesome. So I'm just going to go and hang out. Oh, man. Appreciate that. Holy moly, dude. You got a rad vibe. So, oh, man. I'm not going to put a shut off on what time I got a, you know, this is us. You know, our musicianship, dude, and our vibe and just like whatever you put out through suicide silence and then your other projects, dude, like, and this. You know, you got a great crew. working with you.

These guys seem hell of fucking rad. And, you know, what are you going to limit your vibe to, you know? Yeah. Fucking, it was that Drake? A bitch don't kill my vibe or something. You know? Yeah, he's got that shit down.

It sounds like you listen to a lot of hip-hop. Oh, yeah, man. So far, we've talked about Cardi B and Drake. And freestyle fellowship. Don't forget those guys. Okay. Yeah. No, yeah.

Well, I was a, I used to break dance, man, as a kid in the 80s. Are you serious? Yeah, before a metal. fucking it was you know metal wasn't even like you know besides for punk obviously old school punk but i used to take downs bro time out what year were you breakdancing uh 80 80 82 probably 82 to 83 or four oh you're a kid you're yeah oh my brother's seven years older yeah so i was like that fucking second grader battling fifth and sixth graders because my brother would come home and show me routines.

So I go to school with a cardboard, do and be all lined up, be like, you know. My headspin was my execution move. Dude, that shit looks hard. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I'm athletic, luckily. You earned it. Yeah. So you do your practice and, you know, I blew out my knee

a couple of times thinking I was badass trying to do it on like raw asphalt when you start, you know, your feet stick to asphalt.

So when you go to try to do some crazy freaking breaking move, man. That's what? I know, dude, I tell you what. I was like skateboarding, dude. That shit's so good. Did you have that outfit, come on?

Yeah, hell yeah, dude. Are you serious? Yeah, I had the Adidas stripes, too. I used to check her my laces, dude, and overlay. Yeah, see, man, get that shit down. Dude, the 1990, the fucking whirly world, man, fucking all that shit. How old were you? Oh, dude, that was like six to eight or nine years old.

Wow. Yeah. Oh, man, there's my homeboy freaking Fuentes right there. You know him? No, but. Oh, so. Oh, my goodness. No, one of my buddies is a hip-hop artist, known since school.

Okay. Frankie Fadeless, and, you know, him and I would be like the older breaker guys in the crew, you know, but he's got floor routine way more tight than I do, you know. That's tight. Ever since I had a little knee stick one time on, nope, ain't going to do all that. I'll do like a quick, quick pop, I'll go to the ground real quick, and then I'm done. You know, it's kind of like skateboarding. I don't, yeah. It feels like a limitation, you know, you go to do something and you're limited.

your full ability so it's not even fun or breaks your heart to not fulfill it. Totally. Dude, you went from break dancing as a kid, a child, to, you know, you go to a teenager your skateboarding. Yeah. Actually, you're it sounds like you were sick because you got

sponsors, correct? Well, yeah, sponsored by a couple shops, dude. That's pretty insane. Yeah. It was, don't mean, they're, you know, they're giving the kids like 50, 80% off or whatever, you know, but. That's a big deal. As a kid, that's a big deal. I'm sorry. I'm sponsored. But that's a big deal when you're a teenie. Oh, dude, yeah.

Yeah, your mom's breaking her back to give you $40 shoes, and then a week later you need a new pair of shoes because you're shredding so hard, you know? Wow. So, well, you know? Well, that's why actually it was payless shoes, and then I got bumped up to the $40 shoes as opposed to the $10 shoes because it lasts me about another two weeks

than like three days. I go to those payless shoes in like three days, dude. Wow. Yeah, it sounds like when you go into something, you're like, you're in it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

thousand percent man that's it thousand percent yeah i mean it's really the only way to do it i mean much of anything yeah you gotta do it you know yeah put all of myself into you know your your your chosen path yep and when you know why you do it that's the better reason just like playing music i always thought i was gifted because of the the genetics the bloodline the example and exposure you know my brother taking me to shows at a young age and sick being around it since i was kid with all the jazz and salsa type of stuff and big band and then uh after ben passed away doing it's doing too violently vomit you know because you know i love ricky and we're fucking bros you know the members and bands have their shit sure when he said i'm taking the name i'm

moving away i'll go okay you take the name i'll take the music you know what so yeah man fucking you know try to find a guitar machine to play my riffs ain't gonna happen nowadays with guitar pro if it's actually notated right yeah he could do it all day long you know but back then 2006 I was like I'll get a drum machine if I have to you know me and Ben I'm fucking cute jamming and then I did then I couldn't play for a couple years I cry every time I played you know so after Ben passed away and then uh started doing too violently vomit and then freaking mountains of death bro sold out a merch in like five 10 minutes nothing but love played after internal bleeding and fucking defeat his stance at sanity and like right before decapitated fucking

super dope slot and everybody said you know there you are right there dude with the fucking mark from two by 12 in the background baby come oh yeah just like this is your you know it's just music you know it's just music dude and people that people that want it dude they would just want to hear it you know and fucking you know me and rick dude i love that guy you know we fucking hang out and talk music fucking all day long You guys have a lot of history, man. It's tough, like, to assist. Yeah.

I started a tribute band to myself, dude, so I could play the music. Never mind the name and members and the record label and politics and management and shit. Unfortunately, that that is a factor, unfortunately. Once you get, you know, not more money, more problems, but the bigger you get, the more there's a lot more involved. There is a lot more involved, unfortunately. You know, right, when you think, like, oh, when you get bigger or any faster, you think, like, it should be getting easier. actually is the complete opposite. That's so fucked up.

And it seems like that that's a commonality with all your genres of music. Totally. So weird. Yeah. Unless you got your own fucking, unless you're the one that can physically take the lid off the cookie jar.

You know, you're getting your hands in it with everybody else and tries, you know, pick a ticket to see who's coming out first. Just like, you know, when Discord started doing, you know,

doing bigger tours, hey, can you get us to open up for you guys? And I always thought it was going to be easy. Hey, just ask these dudes if you can open up, you know? Yeah. It doesn't work that way. You still got to get to the politics to talk to the right person, you know,

to open up and it comes in. And I was like, dude, what are you talking about? You're coming to the town. We're right here. Yeah. I'll get back to you. My goodness. Do you, I wasn't, to be honest, Diego, I wasn't playing to ask you this, but it's crossed my mind as I have to.

I mean, are you talking to Ricky about maybe perhaps doing anything? Oh, all the time. Yeah, we talk to, we fucking, you know, every other conversations, crying, talk about how much we love playing music and love the big. band and everything but you know it's a lot of work man I don't blame that guy running a marathon behind the kid and having to build it all up and you know

taking it you know and as busy as stuff I was like yeah you know I always tell them I'm playing the songs row I know I don't have to relearn them and you know I can imagine not playing disgorge on drums even like just for me on guitar you know it's like

coming back and relearning it but it's not it's not off the table great you know I got songs written that he helped me that we jammed with back in the day before fucking our last hiatus so you know but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give him the easy way out to somebody else playing his drums you know I work my ass off to play this shit too man you know yeah man you guys go your fucking ass off yeah and like we talked about it earlier dude you know there's a lot of dudes that fill Ricky's shoes but he's got his own sound just like

there's just like fucking you know out of the guitar stuff, you know, that we jammed with fucking Ed. We both come from a very hard thrash background. Yeah. So he gets the essence of disgorge in my writing, you know, and from us, Tad and stuff out together and me learning his way and him learning my way. You know, because me and Ben wrote and tat and learned music a certain way with each other. Yeah.

And then when I got together with Ed, it was kind of like, well, okay, this is notation, you know? And I'm all, okay, well, this is how the rhythms broke down. Like, that doesn't work. You know, it has to fall in this and this and this. And I'm like, well, that's how I wrote it. I know what to tell you. Figure out the timing, you know what I mean? Oh, my goodness.

So after like a year of trying to fit, not button heads, but. Sure. You know, learning a new system and working together, you know, he caught my vibe. I caught his. But playing wise, has got a rad essence to it. But it's, you know, I still got my own. And just like Ricky, man, he's got his own sound. I can't tell you how many shows.

growing up that we'd be playing and he'd be sitting on like a milk crate or a five-gallon bucket as his throne and he sounded like he was like fucking Charlie Vanante back there just fucking hitting it and minus the tombs you know just fucking killing it you know wow but he's he's got it for the fans you know I think I think the fans like they really want to see him fucking anybody deserves to see Rick play drums he's a fucking he's a badass fucking drummer dude and he's rad to look at when he's playing when he's playing

and he puts more than he fucking has into his playing when he is playing his drums. You know, a lot of people they get into it and they'll hold you know

but he's just even if he's not into it he's still putting fucking everything he has into it. Yeah, it's that unspoken energy there he is dude. Look at that dude man.

Ah! So you could choke me up right now too, man. The essence of discourse, dude, if it wasn't for Tony and fucking Brian and Ricky

starting this shit who knows, I could still be having it in my head, just, you know, but something lined us up, and me and Rick are fucking, we're bros, man. You're just, yeah. I love that, dude. If you have any music out there, man, I mean, you're just bonded for life, really. Yeah. You're always going to have that deep connection until you guys die, essentially, you know.

Yep. And nowadays, like back in the day, it was just trading with letters. That's how you heard about bands besides for MTV, you know, tape trading. fucking writing letter trading Maybe you get a video For somebody You know If it

If the video didn't get wiped out From going through the x-ray scans You know I said you do all the video Well they're fucking blank to me motherfucker Well I think as you get older And experience that the x-rays

Fucking wiped the motherfuckers out Holy moly Yeah dude Yeah we got Travis had our Travis Ryan He has their strangulation Reels

And I think Fucking those things are basically blank You know? So unfortunate. We got our demo tape. We'll co-release our demo or something someday. You know, we've talked about it. That would be great, yeah, I think.

Oh, yeah. Especially now. Yeah. It's funny, dude. Any rare it's epimetal, dude. I mean, come on. Yeah, exactly. People are on it, man.

Yeah. It's super fun. Well, Diego, I know you were busy, and you were, you mentioned that you were, you said you've been in a studio over the past few weekends working on your project. So what do you've been working on? Lately has been a Cephalotipsy album. I play bass for those dudes. So we're getting a lot of pre-production done,

getting ready to record it. All the songs are written and just everybody tightening up on their stuff. I'm doing some vocals with Angel getting in there. Nice. I got Angel Ocho. man, if you guys don't know, he's a raddest dude. Right, dude. Yeah, he's just got a certain

brightness and a rad energy to him, you know? So when you go to go, you know, do some vocal tracks or something, you know, because as a vocal, you know, vocalists, you know, some of them that, he'll play instruments too, but it's still, you know, some of them they can't find a certain, like,

they don't know what the vibe or the flow is of the rhythm. If there's a technical part or whatever. So, you know, the guitarist can go in there and say, all right. Again, you know, this is how I feel the flow, or the rhythm is, or the drummer could say, this accent on it.

Like, Ricky would, Rick and I would both do that. Accent me on this part. Ricky would say, follow the drums, or I'd say follow the guitar. Yeah. And then so for Steph Lachist's to you, there's a couple parts where Angel's like, whiz, this shit's messing with me, you know?

I don't really know what to throw down on this. I'm not, like, I'm not feeling it like you guys are feeling it. And for, like, a lot of discord stuff, like, you know, gutted, I wrote a lot of those lyrics, and then, consume, like came up with a lot of song titles, and then parallels came up with a lot of song titles and actually like lyrical placement, you know,

because Levi couldn't figure out where to put vocals on a lot of the parts, and I was like, shit, you got a fucking lyrics, dude, I'll take that home. And, you know, one night I got like three songs placed, you know, just with all the vocals with certain rhythms and the cadences and stuff. And, you know, it's a rad feeling, man, because, you know, I feel the music a certain way, And then when you can show it to somebody else,

and then they either branch off of it and, you know, give them a little skeleton to work off of and then you do it. Or they just say, well, I really like how you do it, you know. And there's a couple rhythms where Angel was like, you know what, I just want you to have your own vocals in that part. Never mind doing backing vocals or a little accent here and there. I think you should just seem that whole part.

Wow. I was all, fuck, all right, you know. Sick. I know pretty rad, huh? I was like, well, how about, you know, because my vocals are real, volume-wise, are real low. Yeah.

So depending on what venue we're playing and if the sound guy is not right, you'll be hearing feedback the whole time or you won't even hear me and I'll go up there. You know? We need to compress it. Yeah.

Yeah, dude. So it's just fun. Going in there and doing vocals and placing in and knowing your music that well, you know? I'll be like, okay, no, that. You know, the hi-hats. You know, you should have been hitting this here,

hitting that there, this and this. You know, the evolutions that was sick. How do you write lyrics? dude. Oh man, I haven't written lyrics forever. Like I for my solo project, you know, getting a hard place sometimes and you just kind of need to write in order to vent it out. Yeah. And that's just kind of like, I don't know, I did a lot of poetry when I was younger. Really? Yeah. So I kind of like knowing words and phrases and, you know, I got overwhelmed doing the strangulation stuff and like disgorge lyrics to her. It's kind of, you know, not trying to stand

the same and this and that's like certain things. It's just not worth stressing out on, you know. It's a vocalist come up with this stuff that's his I write the rhythms he can write the lyrics or something you know enough time I don't have all the time on my plate like you know it's all time it's all it's right to God dude I wish I'm in energy man you know that's all this is all this fucking this life is you're trying to put time and energy into it yeah for real back in the day it's like we'd feel strangulation would find real cases like dateline or something yeah we'd take a story off of that and just do our version off of it because it was real it was like true life

stories. Yeah. You know? It'll be easier to go off of after that. And then... Interesting.

With this stuff, I don't know. Angel just puts himself in a... Except philosophy is kind of like a lot of like futuristic, you know, futuristic kind of vies like human and robots. Yeah. You know, kind of coming around and gore, of course. Yeah, you got to throw it in there, dude.

Yeah, have to. You have to, man. Come on. What's up? Yeah, I know. How are you going to do gut rolls without fucking blood and gore? You got to do it, dude. You got to do it.

How old were you when you started writing in? Like, poetry. I mean, this sounds... Dude, I was, like, chasing a cat in, like, fourth grade and stuff. Fourth grade? Yeah, trying to do romance letters. No. Yeah.

Dude, dad. You know, the little Valentine's cards that you get, you know, in school? Like, you know, here's the candies, the little envelopes to pass out, school, and everything. And there'd always be just one, two, or three, dude, and just be all, you know, this and that. And, yeah, I don't know. Think of my mom's that I get it from my grandpa. Really? Yeah.

I don't play no romantic music and my guitar, but I'll get that. All right it down somewhere else. Damn, dude, that's a skill, Diego, and that's a very, it's also a very introspective skill as well. Yeah, totally, totally. My brother was a good writer too, man, so we just sit there and write lyrics. Yeah, my grandma's kitchen table back in the day. Just basically like a, you know, like a horror movie. But you got to thesaurus.

the fucking dictionary you're right here knowing what you're saying and how you're going about it this sounds corny is it real or even saying the right thing in context and you know okay yeah that's how dude we got some badass lyrics dude I tell when that's regulation album ever comes out

you feel like yeah yeah because a lot of the lyrics in shelly gutted you know were written by my brother but to you know to discourageize it we kind of you know cut and paste different things and everything.

Yeah. It's pretty badass, dude. It is. And speaking of, speaking of lyrics and on our record, Jay, can you pull up Shealy gutted? We need to evaluate

and talk about this cover. What, okay, what? John Zigg, bro. Who came up with this cover, man? Hey, Jay, good on, man. You know what?

Who came up with this cover? So the, I'm pretty sure the band did, but I think, Ziggs vision is way sicker than we could have. So he's an artist. Ever imagine. Yeah, John Zigg out of Austin, Texas.

He's a tattoo artist and an artist like painter. You know, he does all kinds of paints and drawings and everything, charcoal, acrylic, like anything. He's done a lot of early unique leader bands. He was basically anything out of Texas, like God who was corpse crystal records, you know, Zig was, Paiemia disavowed, like. Zig is the artist. There is a similarity.

Oh, yeah. There is a similarity in the style of the art. Oh, wow. It's funny. Yeah, you look at like the, you see like the Pynumio record. Oh, what's that? Cerebral cereal. Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, there is a similarity there.

Yeah, that was that whole, all the Deeds albums, Mark of the Leeds. All the Deeds albums, basically up until, I think after. There it is, dude. Boom. Yeah. Cerebral. Wow. Yeah.

He's a super nice guy, too, man. Yeah. Yeah, but discorogers, they all have, besides for the first, you know, besides for Craneal, I wasn't really there, you know, for the lyric and writing of all that stuff. Yeah. But for gutted, shangulation already had their version of, like, lyrics and the artwork. That's just fucking good. That is insane. But then we gave it to Zig, you know, if you, I mean, I hate to say this to everybody, but that's actually the Virgin Mary land there, all gutted.

If you look at the symbols on her robe. Oh, I never knew that. And then that's baby Jesus, the baby, because you see how the head is like spirit. Oh. So she's on the steps of a Catholic church. Oh. Oh, my goodness. Yeah.

I was like, it was already dark and it got way darker. Oh, yeah. Holy. Yeah, Zig is. Fucking mold. Yeah, Zig. When he came to us with that, we were like, way sick. Dicker, because I've had, like I said, we had strangulation art before that, and that was just like, some lady in a dutchy gutted, you know, she's all gutted.

Sure. In a dungeon, baby, jipping down. Kind of, you know, butcher birthdays, you know. Yep, yep. And all of a sudden, man, again, Zig sent us this, and we were, oh, yeah, these are artists. That's for a dash. And then the inlay, that'll make more sense. You've seen the inlay of.

I haven't seen the inlay, surprisingly, no. Oh, yeah. The inlay is the, the pre, you'll see the different version of. I never knew that that concept was that deep. Yeah. Oh, yeah, there you go. On the vinyl, fifth one of the right. Oh, okay.

Yep. That's the Virgin Mary. Uh-huh. And that Jesus in her hand right there? Yep. A little creature. My goodness. Discord is here to stay forever, dude.

That was basically like anti, you know, we're all, none of us are, I think Ben was kind of borderline atheists, you know. Of course. Still, we're all good dudes. It ain't nothing about Satanism or nothing like that. Yep. But this album was basically about, like, anti-Catholicism, basically. Because that was, you know, it was kind of like after Glenn came out just destroying everything with Legion. You know, like, dude, how are you going to top that?

You know what I mean, dude? Holy moly. Most pissed off gnarliness. So then consume the forsaken. Like, the second of the apocalypse. All the songs mean different things. So consume was about the, was a story basically about the apostles turning on Christ.

So defined suffering as them consuming the forsaken and demise of the Trinity, then perverse manifestations. That's them coming up with all these ideas of, oh no, you know? First we dealt with the Catholicism now, it's the Christianity. And then that's how I come up with a lot of the song titles because we just brainstorm idea like a concept I guess ideas and then for parallels it's kind of like okay we talked about catholicism we talked about Christianity so I was like okay parallels of infinite torture that's what do I believe you know do I believe in religion

do I not believe in religion revealed an obscurity that's when you're what do I believe in you know yeah and then and throwing abominations that's kind of like putting your ideas into place of do I believe in this do I believe in that descending upon convulsive devariments that's basically the swarm and all that of that of what you see there yeah and then

that's crazy car as well yeah and then uh yeah it's basically just a story freaking continuing on wow and then Ricky got into uh... same same artist dude for all of our artwork some artist okay yeah

yeah so he yeah dude super good yeah Ziggs dope dude I had I had the artwork tattooed on me oh my goodness before the album came out man

he came to San Diego and I was like hey can you put that on me before it's released he's like hell yeah I can got this and I got to consume the forsaken stuff and I hear a little bit of the gutted creatures you know

oh fuck yeah yeah he said dude I didn't know there's a this whole concept with Discord is why I was so curious about Ask you about the artwork because it really has to be explained Really yeah I never knew that like the concepts were so well thought out

Yeah totally man we're Yeah we're explains a lot about about you guys yeah we're thinkers for sure That's an evil fucking that that that's just evil yeah Cosume no forsaken yeah and he already had that drawing we were just like oh dude That's the darkest of all that you because we were just visiting him, you know, on tour. And he was like, yeah, just flowing through art. And I was like, you know, because all the alien creatures, man, I was all, you know,

we're like I'm a huge, like aliens predator kind of, kind of guy. So I was like, oh, they're sick. And then how dark it is and the red and, you know. And then his inlay, you know, the inlays that he has on it is just like Geiger influence. And it's just like, you know, like pipe works and mechanics. And dude. Yeah, see, I got that on my ankle. It's got the little creatures in there

Super good, dude Do you have Are the Enlays First of all, are these Are these records on vinyl? Yeah, I think so The only vinyl I have Is the shuley gutted one

Really? Yeah Do you don't have Consume on vinyl? I don't got Consume on vinyl I don't got parallels on vinyl I think somebody's

Yeah, yeah There's a lot of political stuff Of course Of course So somebody had their rights And sign them off But I never saw What the fuck dude

I know, rad, huh? Because you could do that with a layout, that detailed and thought out, I mean, it was so cool to have it. It's like, just have it. Big time. Yeah, I'll probably, I'll do it myself someday. That'd be great. Tweak it out a little bit. That way I can't have a copy of my own.

Yeah, dude. With layouts like that, dude, you gotta have them. Yeah, hell yeah, bro. You fuck, dude. Yeah, I think the Shilie Gutter ones at first, dude, you need, I think Eric licensed it to somebody. Displeased Records, I think it was. Displeased. And we got 50, like for leading leader and the band.

50? Yeah, total. So that first pressing, there was only 50 of them made. What? Yeah, the band got five each, and then I think Eric got the rest. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, we got 20 and he got 30. Dude, that's, oh, my gosh, dude.

I know. Imagine now how many are out there? I see him on eBay and post all the time. Hey. Anybody got an extra line? All paper shipping. Can I have a paper shipping, you fuck? I'll send you a shirt if you send me the vinyl.

My name is on you, you fucking bitch. Dude, I had one kid, dude, because I only had five, so select people I gave them to, you know, I still got one myself. Yeah. And I used to have two. Years ago, I was hanging out with somebody. And I think the boy was, he was some dude was like up and

trying to do a DJ and stuff. And when you saw the room, he heard me, like I brought the record to the house party when I was like, yeah, dude, got a record fucking dope,

you know? He's like, what? He's on no way. He's all hook me up, man, I'll fucking bring that into the set,

you know? And he used the, the shilly gutted outro, no, the intro. Yeah, using it,

dude, would come in and splice and stuff. And he'd be just, and I went to one of his shows one time, and he'll, you know, the blood to come out.

You know? Oh, That's fucking evil, dude. Two power the enemy. Then all of a sudden, you know, it seems like as a car start coming in. I was like, oh, yeah, you know. Classic, dude.

It's a classic record, man. Too gnarly. To be able to play the music that you play Diego and to be able to look back on your life and your career and it's still going as well. Like, be like, you have a classic records on your belt. Not many people that play this music. can see it that.

Oh yeah, for sure. All the artwork, man, I've had, man, like a funny story with the Shiley Gutted. My buddy's wife was, you know, a big cushion chick, and she had already been rapping out of me for, like, a while, and I was in her house, and she started working for this guy, you know, after word, go of style, just jinker beer, whatever.

Of course. Oh, you're really nice guy. You're playing a reggae band. Now he plays a Death Metal Band. Here. Here's a CD. Get out of my house right now. What the heck is that? She-Lay gutted? I am not having that, you know? Fucking what lady. Crazy.

Yeah. And then obviously, you know, he was like, no, he ain't go, it's art, you know, kick back, you know,

he's not fucking going out there burning churches or nothing. Dude, why is it that? Crazy. Why is it that people that play death metal are the most chill?

Why is that? Could we get it out? That was my first thought. Yeah, subconsciously or frequency why it's just spiritually do. We just get it out. You know, but amazingly enough in the brutal world,

You know, I think I noticed, like, when we first started touring, you know who your rock stars are, you know, who the ones aren't like the cool guys, you know. But nine times out of ten, all the brutal death guys were just the most humble, fucking nicest guys, man. I would trip out, you know, especially SUFO, you know, Doug Bones, walking through the parking lot at showcase theater, you know, for the Pearson of the end days. Anybody got KGB? You know, and he's walking in his skibbies dude with his shaved head. And I was like, you some fucking Nazi or something, dude, aren't you playing for Suffo? You know, and he's all, yeah. And I was like, what the fuck you're saying KGB for?

You know, you got fucking, you know, you got Hobbs in there, dude, what's going on? And he's all, Killer Greenblood, man, you know, fucking from New York. And I was like, oh, I got so fucking chronic, you know. Oh, that was back in Dr. Jay's chronic soon. So I was like, I got some chronic for you, bro. Fucking, you know, I don't know about KGB. But, dude, and then hanging out with those guys, Chris Richard is like, come on back, man. Let's come meet the guy.

just hang out and the next night you know go to San Diego cruising you're cruising around a Ceredo a bong down at mission beach and just driving around the town my brother's rapping out at Frank because they're both like you know sewer guys working for collections and stuff and it's like you know like you know stuff I was like the narliest you know for that air dude they were like you know nobody could be as heavy as those dudes were you know maybe there might have been some dark Satan you know sludgy motherfuckers but stuff I was like you know you know They're punching, dude.

They're hitting hard and heavy. They're the nicest, funnest guys, man. And, like, level, you know, grounded, just hanging out. That's so bizarre, huh? Easy conversations, man. Yeah. Trip out. Just like Guy.

Guy Marcia and Chris Prevellous, dude, when Guy was in internal bleeding back in the day. You know, you show up late to a festival because you get jacked at customs. And all sudden, they're like, play our gear, take our slot. You know, you guys can still play. We'll play before you instead of headlines. and you're like, what, dude, I'm playing your gear and you're training your slot,

you know, and we were, that was still like Shillay gutted days, dude, that wasn't even our caliber, but yet we were bumping internal bleeding demos dude at like fucking 16 years old, you know, so it's kind of rad, you know, and then guys always been, he's just always been

he's always been hell of cool. I luck at him. Yeah, you know, so it was, yeah, man, it's a trip, the most brutal heads. And then when you introduce our musician, friends to people that aren't metal, they say the same thing. These are the nicest guys. How do they play such crazy, gnarly, scary music

and they are the nicest guys, you know? From doing construction and building houses, I can't tell you how many times people think I play in a reggae band. Oh, my goodness. I got the beard. Probably smelled like weed when I go in there. So they're like, you know, fucking, oh, he's a musician. Wow.

He's playing a reggae band or something. No, he actually plays in brutal dance. death metal. What? Let me show you his record. Oh yeah, dude. I'll go in there and nowadays, pull up YouTube real quick

and it's like, you know, nine times out of ten, I'll pull up like mountains of death or something. And they can see my interview because, hey, Diego Sanchez, thank you for coming,

everybody and all of a sudden. Yeah. You know? Fuck, dude. That is sick, man. Yeah, dude, it's too funny. Super fun. Super fun.

Wow, dude. So you have the project you're working on now. Is there any plans for that? Well, we've got a bunch of shows coming up. Okay. Yeah, we're doing El Salvador and Costa Rica. Oh, my gosh. And Colombia.

We're playing Texas and Corpus Christi coming up in March. Both all that's in March, actually. And then we're doing L.A., San Diego, like February, 24th or 26 or something like that. then got LA coming up and then but to violently vomit going back to Colombia in July me Joseph and Soria and Angel

gonna go do that whoa so and then yeah hopefully I can get some more booked for TVV because I'm missing my guitar I've been working on bass dude getting prepping for recording but I'm getting the freaking itch dude so bad

to play them you know yeah you know I'm just playing the bass still kind of learning I'm not a bass player yet You know, so I'm just a guy that plays bass and just, you know, doing it. But I need, I, you know, you get hungry to just pick up what you know. Yeah. And I know that when I fucking do it or give it, I'm only going to be, I'm only going to fill it and put everything into it.

And it's just going to freaking be amazing, you know, or I'm going to get all analytical and fucking start writing like a whole new house. Yeah. You're that hungry where you're, like, I know it. I'm craving my guitar, you know, and I haven't played it for a, you know, the juggle of a dad, a bass. player and work and family shit and then you know family's amazing but dynamics as you get older yeah it's like a gnarly dude you know your perspective changes so you know unless you're on tour the whole time just going to play at music when you're at home you know you got to deal with shit a lot more it's true so i can't uh i can't wait to i know when i pick up my guitar dude i'm gonna

and tell me i'm gonna anticipate that it's gonna be about 20 30 minutes and i'm probably gonna play that motherfucker for about three or four hours. Yes, dude. After so many years, you still have an itch to play. Oh, totally. And I miss, I mean, you know, like I said before, I always, I've had the scores material in my head.

I just wasn't good enough to play it. You know, I'd hear the rhythm or the, you know. You know, that's like what I have. So, okay. You know, they just just go with it. So it's kind of like, that's, you know, I don't know. I'm a, I don't know whole shit back, man, but, you know,

I know my subconscious is constantly like fucking get me out, dude. Yeah. No, no, no, whew! Yeah. Totally. You know, and I can't do it on base, you know? I can do like individual little pinch harmonics on bass just by holding the right place and just dart it, but I can't go do, do, do, do, do, do.

You know? Yeah. I don't play it. up to do it but fucking in my head i'm like oh god dude one day you know i'll be fucking whiz de georgio you know if i can kill it or something yeah well dago let's end this on a on a high note i mean i'm honored that that you made the drive to come hanging with us man oh dude it was it was a lot my pleasure a lot of fun i learned a lot about you we talked about things i did not expect to even go into yeah me too man you know that's my life right now though so you know you know that's my life right now though

So, you know, we're cool, man. Bring it on out. Yeah, man. Thank you for being here, man. And also, thank you for everything that you've done for heavy music, man. Oh, for sure. Appreciate you, dude. I mean, we wouldn't be here without you and escourge.

And still, you're inspiring. Guys, like me, still. Just keep playing. Yeah, thanks, man. Appreciate it. It's cool, man. Thanks for keeping that sound alive with you guys, too, man. You know?

Like I said, when I went to that show and there was so much love for Discord and the whole other scene, Obviously, somebody's talking about it and still bumping it, you know. Still bumping, still talking about it. And we're, and after this podcast, I know people are going to start bumping the scores again. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and it ain't over. You know, we may be on a hiatus, man, but we're all bros, dude. Eventually, even if, you know, who knows, half a song, one song, you know what I mean?

Fucking, it'll be fun someday. Like I said, me and Ricky, you know, we have plenty of talks and conversations and half. Half of them turned into tears about how much we love our music. And we're bros, man. So, you know, but why not? It's just time and a place. And you know what I mean? We'll get on it.

It's good, man. Where can people find you on the old internet, social media? Social media. Or riff wizard on Instagram or Diego, middle initial, you, Sanchez on Facebook. And I don't really, not that dude that goes posting a bunch of stuff, you know, But eventually, you know, every now and then I get a little something that I just got to release through the universe. And then I'll throw a little love out there. And then on YouTube, the Rift Wizard on YouTube.

Sick. So the Indonesians actually gave me that nickname. Really? Yeah, the Rift Wizard. Nice, dude. Pretty stoked, dude. It's a phenomenal name. Yeah.

It's pretty rad. All right, there you go. Cheers, man. Good to see your brother. Nothing but love, man. Appreciate it. Thank you guys too, man. That's it.

Oh, yeah, for sure. Later. You know,