Garza Podcast - 77 - SANGUISUGABOGG: Gore, Metallica, ADHD & Adderall Riffs

Episode Date: May 8, 2023

Garza sits down with Columbus, OH drug death band Sanguisugabogg. https://www.sanguisugabogg.com SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB Sanguisugabogg is: Devin Swank - Vocals Cody Davidson - Drums Drew Arnold - Guitar Cedrik Davis - Guitar TIME CODES: 00:00 - Cheers, Full Circle Moments, Making Shit Happen 02:12 - Writing Music on Weed & Adderall 08:00 - Writing Music Quickly (A Song Per Day) w/ Homicidal Ecstasy, 2023 09:08 - Vocal Tracking 15 Songs in 2 Days & Vocal Techniques 13:00 - “Face Ripped Off” Music Video, Featuring Aaron Heard from Jesus Piece 15:34 - Being Impulsive & Not Planning Things 18:08 - New Album, Homicidal Ecstasy, 2023 18:40 - First Songs Written Together, as a Band 19:44 - “Mortal Admonishment” Is About Devin’s Grandmother Passing Away 22:03 - What Their Families Think About the Band, Family Foundation & Support 26:56 - Band Origins, Becoming “Lifers” 32:58 - “Face Ripped Off” Writing Process 34:02 - Metallica, Some Kind of Monster, Messing Up Riffs 38:12 - Chaos and Carnage Tour Celebration Cheers 39:45 - Being Committed & Focused on Career 45:22 - Non-Metal Influences (Nu Wave, 80s, Jazz, Buttrock) 50:20 - Coming Up in Ohio (Columbus), Working with Kurt Ballou on Homicidal Ecstasy 53:20 - Thriving on Being Spontaneous, Pranking Born of Osiris, Shout Out to Boobs 57:55 - The Crazy Band Name 01:00:00 - Maggot Stomp (Record Label) 01:01:31 - Making Quick Spontaneous Titles (continued) 01:03:00 - Kidney Stones, Peeing Blood, Dabbing Kidney Stones 01:05:49 - Not Having a Bass Player, Splitting & Pitch Shifting Guitar Signals, Not Using an Acoustic Kick Drum Live 01:14:12 - Album Leaks, Lars Was Right, Limewire #deathcore

Two days. I tracked 15 songs on vocals. Yeah, yeah. Flex. Does that affect your voice at all? Um, it used to. I mean, like, I feel like I'm just so, like, warm up to it now that I can pretty much pull it out. It's always there. Whenever I need music gear, I always go to sweetwater.com.

If it's mics, headphones, or studio and recording gear, Sweetwater has you covered. Next time you need any music gear, support the podcast by using the link in a description and comment section. Below. Cheers dudes. Cheers. Cheers. Good to see you guys. Good morning. Good morning. Morning. This sip is brought to you by love Slams. Hell yeah. Well today we have Sangua sikabag. Very hardening to say, but not I think I got it at 10.15 in the morning And we're already drinking. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Do you think five o'clock? somewhere.

It is. 5 a.m. Start work. Yeah. Well, guys, I mean, I love your band. Thank you guys for making the drive down. Hell yeah. You know, I've been watching guys, you know, live and at home before I even knew.

You guys personally, I've been paying attention to what you're doing. It's fucking sick, man. Hell yeah, bro. It's cool. Thanks, bro. Mutual respect. We love you, brother. That's so weird.

Dude, this whole life is a full, it's like a constant full circle. I feel that. I feel that. You know? Yeah. Like you'll like see like a show and then before I know it, you know 14 years later, you're actually on tour of the band. It's literally what we were just talking about.

I know for sure. Being at Mayhem Fest 08 and like seeing you guys and now we're doing this together. It's weird. Sick. You wake up one day where you want to be. You know what I mean? And then you've got to find somewhere else to be. True.

Yeah. You guys been manifesting everything. You guys say something. You guys think something. And then it just happens. Oh, yeah. You know? Wake up every day, I'm like, man, some pot sounds nice.

And we smoke it. Yeah, it's right there. Sometimes you get high. So you guys are morning smokers. Every day, all day. All day. Any time. There's never a bad time.

Wake up with a blunt, go to sleep with a blunt. This is why I say, weed's like a girlfriend. You know, if you don't spend enough time with her, she gets mad at you. You know? So if you got like panic attacks from smoking, you need to smoke more. Is that okay That's my rule okay, so I'm gonna get serious for about 30 seconds

It's good serious. Do you think that's true though? Because I've for me. I do Okay, yeah, yeah But you know everybody's different how is it for you? You know the band Hemorrhage? Yeah, yeah The singer John said something to me. I like realized Oh, that's probably true. It's like if you If you smoke and then you get kind of like like panicky, it's probably like a deep insecurity that you have to deal with.

And it's been ingrained in my head. And I can't get his voice out of my head. So you kind of like touch on it again. I'm like, should I smoke more? Should I? I don't know. I hear that. And you know, I think for some people that could be true.

And at some times that could be true. But, you know, our friend Kyle Bean from a death. One time I was kind of like letting him know, like how anxious I was. And he was like, I don't know, dude. I think it's just like undirected excitement. Like you're excited, but you don't know where to put it. You know, and that's a form of anxiety too, so, you know. So it might be because you need to smoke more.

It could be. Yeah, because I'm, yeah, because I'll smoke white once every, lately I've been kind of off it once a month at home. This is about to turn into the JRE, like, real quick. I'm trying, I'm trying for it not, not to be a buddy. It's kind of like a constant, like, I'm 37. I'm just trying to, I'm still trying to figure shit out. I think we all are, man.

We are, right. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, how old are you guys? We're all 27, but Devin's 28. 28. 28. Big man. Damn.

What is that? What the fuck are you doing? It's a lighter, bro. We're torching. Would you call that a lighter or a torch? This is a... Dude, that's a gun. That's a motherfucking gun.

That's a 38 special. And for those listening, it's a torch shaped as a gun. Hell yeah. It's like a little mini gun. It's like a little magum. Pretty dope. That's the strap, bro. Do you guys smoke and write or do you do it after?

Always. It's like constantly. Yeah. Yeah, it's the inspiration, man. The duo, man. Snoop Dogg figured it out. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, pot and Adderall comes in clutch. And whippets. Yeah. So. I'm pretty scared about it. Pot opens your brain enough to like where you want to try something new. And then Adderall's like... I'll have you to focus it.

Yeah, we're monies on. Fixate on what you're writing and what you're trying to bring. So... Mm. Yeah. Adderall's kind of terrifying to me. Yeah, it's scary shit. It's definitely not something to...

I don't know. You've got to be careful. Yeah. I've been at once. Stimulance in general. But for some reason, like, they get you so, like, amped up and motivated that, you know, they come in handy. Sometimes Adderall, it's like you have like object paralysis where you're just like option paralysis.

You're like, I have so many things I want to do. Yeah. I don't know when to start it. Exactly. So you have to grab something and just do it. Yep. And then you can kind of like snowball effects into like getting other shit done. But when we write, it's like it's kind of funny how well it works.

Really? It makes it real fast, you know? Like, um, do you want to hit this? I'm good. Okay. I think it might. We'll see. I'll do like halfway.

I'm going to make sure this goes on the right track for the first half. Yeah, yeah. So it goes out the gross later, it's fine. Okay. I'm always scared with Adderall if, like, if that will affect emotion. So you guys, it doesn't really seem to affect emotion. You guys have a lot of emotion in music because I feel it. It totally can.

It totally can't. I only do it when I'm writing lyrics. Yeah. I don't touch it any other time at all. Really? Yeah. It's not like a, it's not a regular thing or anything like that. I mean, with every drug, it's about your personal relationship with it, you know?

like um everything moderation for me for me i use it to kind of like i feel like because of the internet i feel like almost everybody's got ADHD you know what i mean so like that's how i kind of figure out how to like you know if i want to do something and i can't fucking like sometimes i just can't do it you know like i know what i want to do i just can't fucking do it but you know we got supplements for that for sure yeah like when i use it it's not like a recreational like every day or every other day or spare moment type of thing i only only use it when I'm writing because for a lot of things like it helps me fixate on what story I want to tell So when I'm writing I literally like lock myself in my house

I put on horror movies I'll take stimulants I'll take an at all drink like energy drinks and I won't eat so I put my mind and this like State of like deprivation Survival mode yeah and then I'm watching these like fucked up movies and you know trying to like put myself into character yeah like what do i do at a moment of desperation that i like i need to kill or i need to eat somebody or whatever like what am i going to do to fucking like keep this hunger like fulfilled yeah yeah and you know like the horses like when they're racing they put blinds on it so that they don't get distracted i think that's what it does for us the

most is like eyes on the prize yeah and it like we do shit so fast too like a homicidal ecstasy we were writing three songs in a weekend. Wow. And we did that for about six weeks and then the album was done. Yeah. Yeah, we recorded 15 songs. So it's basically like a song per day whenever we were in the motor right. You know what I mean? And it was and it was done. Like it was and you know, we would start at night, get really high, have like the computer up, throw around riffs, trade the guitar around. And then in the morning, I would rip up drums, do a demo. And by the next night, it's mixed. The demos like it's what it is you know what I mean that's quick you guys

guys work quick and even like your recording process even that record what was recording eight days um right yeah that's what I was uh no I mean felt like it oh felt like it wasn't eight days

it moved very fast it was a week for me for drums okay and then it was about three four days for guitars two days for vocals and then I spent like 72 hours straight editing it because I had to meet the deadline. That's where Atterall comes into play. I just want to point that out again.

Two days, I tracked 15 songs on vocals. Yeah, yeah. Flex. Does that affect your voice at all? It used to. I mean, like, I feel like I'm just so, like, warm up to it now that I could pretty much pull it out. That's always there.

But, like, back when I first started doing vocals and shit, and I used to do, like, fry techniques and stuff like that. And I remember it tore the lining of my throat. wrote. So there was one show that I did when I was like 18 and I was spitting out blood like while singing. Metal. That's sick. It is sick. But I hurt like a motherfucker. You're scree brain. You're scree brain. I was scree bleeding. And, um, yeah. And like from that, I just started watching like technique videos and watching other people and just trying to like avert that as much as I can. So, you know, instead of

the throat is from the, it's from the gut, it's from the diaphragm. Dude, Dan from Crown Magnetzer, he was, I was asking him for some tips and he was like, you know that? It's kind of like when you're taking a shit, you know? And I was like, damn, I never thought about that. Like when you're pushing that shit. That gut push. Yeah, like

that, I was like, damn, now, now I'm just going to think about shit in all the time. That's why I hold it so I don't shit. So if you if you hold your shit, you're like training your body to be good singer. I think it's just about feeling full It's kind of that

It's just like I I hold it there and then when I'm ready to like let out like a long scream or Or a long turd That's when I push I guess That's when you shit Yeah everything else I try to do in one reps

We're just sitting on stage Dede that's all we're doing Yeah so so Devin you're actually controlling How the the page So the air coming out of your diaphragm. Yeah. And then eventually out of your mouth. Exactly. So there is like a level of control.

So the control, if you're not, if you're listening, I'm pointing towards my stomach. It's coming towards, it's coming from here. So you're basically controlling the pace. Yeah. It's literally like the pit of your gut. Yeah. My dad took opera lessons. And the one lesson I remember him telling me was like it's like you're trying to sing out of the top of your head.

Yes. Interesting. Straight up. Yeah. That's why I also look up when I do it too because it's literally coming home. Wow. It's like the fifth element. Yeah.

Yeah. You do sing up. Yeah. You're always like, oh. Yeah. Oh shit. That makes a lot of sense. Fuck yeah.

But something that always confused me about that kind of technique from the diaphragm is that aren't you, aren't you like overthinking? Constantly or like, or is it just like natural? Um, I think starting out you're overthinking and analyzing. And then like once you're so warm to plane and like going out and everything. Yeah. It just becomes second nature. So it's just something that you're able to turn on and turn off. Wow.

How long did it take you to get there? I, I, I, I, I, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, like, I'm, big as credit of myself. Of course, so, yeah. So, uh, I like to say that I didn't get really good at it and, like, have a, have a, have a hold on it for, until, like, maybe three, three years ago, really. And I, you know, I've been, I would say I've been playing shows. actively for like the past like eight years or so so so yeah it was like it was like five of it

being five five being amateur and then maybe the last three you know taking it another step up so so now so now so now now now you got to like the fun stage we're not like yeah trying to process it you know it's like you're just up there doing it you just look up and yeah now I'm first string you know I was right on the bench I was a free agent now I'm I'm fucking MvP bro so dude yeah it's fucking heavy dude this is the first video where I for in a long time that I had to look away yeah this fucking this fucking dude face Fripped off dude is it that's that that's my favorite song from you guys oh shit dude did you get you guys get the like the age restriction on on this one yeah I had to

I don't think so I don't think on this one really yeah I think They have restricted our cartoon. Like the cartoon for Dead of Shit. Oh. You know? I don't know, because any time I'm watch YouTube, I'm already signed in.

I'm just mad that they cut out my in Drew's. I wouldn't know. They cut out mine and Drew's sex scene. Yeah, we were kissing and shit. They cut out. Really? He says kiss me.

Oh, yeah, here it is. And then Devin slowly put his tongue in Drew's from all. This makes me look away. This whole video, I can't. But it's my favorite song from you guys. Oh, yeah.

Actually, no, it's tied from, for a, of another one. And then Aaron heard singer of Jesus peace sings on his track. The king. Yeah, he's so dope. How did that happen? He's you know, caught wind of us like early on from our demo and

I remember seeing him play like what's that fest, F.YA. That hardcore fest? He was wearing like one of our shirts that like we printed ourselves and we he hit us up like online like wanting to get a bunch of stuff from us so we just kind of kept that connection kept that

friendship you know still have it and uh when it came time to like thinking about guest spots we like to do at least one every album and um it just i like i wanted like a whole plethora i guess like i i had ideas for apart with like frank moulin and john galliger yeah and our deadline kind of got the way of all that our deadline our deadline was like hanging over us so the day we hit up Aaron he was like you all bust us out right now yeah he did it bought like at his house we got himself sent it to him uh sent it to us and then even for this video we like weren't sure like we didn't think about it really we were like while we were there the first day we're like damn it would be really cool if Aaron was here and we called him up and he literally just came

over like four hours later or something so I heard it was like the day up or like day before you guys yeah he's good for us yeah he brought us son over too and He's so cute. It was sick. Shout out Leo. Yeah, shout out Leo. You guys seem very moment to moment. ADHD?

What do you mean? No, like moment to moment. You know, like, obviously a band like Gus would be like, oh, we need to like calm like three months in advance. Oh. To make sure he even shows up. You always like kind of paranoid. Yeah.

We're extremely impulsive. Yeah, absolutely. Impulsive and like last minute on accident because we just like the ADHD. We can't. We can't plan. I think that's what it is. We're not very good at. No, we try to plan.

And then we just, like, ignore the group chat. The fucking group chat is a nightmare, dude. It's a nightmare, but, oh, gosh. Especially when there's three different ones, too. And you're just like, you wake up and there's, like, 300 messages. We just, like, titling them stupid. So we got to keep making more. Right now it's weed and pussy.

Yeah. Because there's, like, different kinds of, like, combinations of who's in this chat, who's not in this one. Yeah. And you guys all have chats without some members. You talk to your members. You talk to you in that member in this chat. You know, you know, you guys talk to chat without said and, you know, I get it.

The one where we shit on said is weed and buttholes. Nobody's talking shit about me. That's the truth. That's the truth. As far as he knows. I've always, I've always wondered what my band says about me. I've always wondered. I'll tell you after the podcast.

It's like, you know, only, you don't really know. They're right. It's just like, holy shit. But you did that. That track, dude, came out fucking sick. Thanks, man. That's my favorite one. You guys play it live a second on this tour.

Yeah. I was trying to, I always get out there. LA was special. Yeah. It was like, sometimes like the venue and the sound and the time and the show just kind of lines up. And for you guys, I was like. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, when you have like a whole, this, you need like everything that kind of align.

And that was like a very special moment. Yeah, sometimes it just hits harder. It does. and a you know hometown shows are always kind of nerve-wracking and you guys kind of in a weird way made me calm but also pumped up the same time I wonder how it is for people behind me because if you're playing I'm literally rocking out oh dude you rock out so hard no you guys are playing them I'm like I like the sound board it's like shit I want to be it oh yeah okay I thought you're talking about your stage presence because you look dope as fuck yeah you fucking kill it dude it's awesome appreciate that well hopefully blows up because I don't want to think about the surgeries I might need in the

I better have that sui money 10 year term now dude Jesus but yeah you guys are that that record is sick man and I what you guys said I want I want to ask you that is tuned to standard F right yeah that is that the whole record no there's a couple songs on there they're in a drop G okay which ones Mortal echo We had, we had, we, narcissistic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

There's a B-side that's also. Yeah, permanently fucked. Yeah. Yeah. And with the speaking, said, you said the magic words. So with, with Mortal, that was like the first song that you guys collectively worked on together. Because Drew, you just joined full time at that point, correct? Yeah, I joined like May of 2021.

That's not the, it's not the first song that we collectively wrote, though. No. We had necrosexual with mean. Cedric. That was our first time doing that. And then we collabed on Mortal Admonishment as well. And the first song with Drew is actually my favorite song we have right now. It's narcissistic incisions. Yeah, that was the first. And it's also the craziest song we have. And like, I remember that day, it was just me and Drew going back and forth. And like, by the end of the day,

we were like, what the fuck are we doing? Like, this is so sick. Oh, really? It was Christmas Day. It was on Christmas Day. It was on Christmas Day. You were like, what are you doing? I was like bored. And you're like, come over and I was like all right fish Jesus fuck yeah yeah that one's for God bro

it's why it's why it has that vibe you know it's holy shit I don't say that I'm so mad I'm fucking stunned dude but dude that that song

mortal I mean it has there's something about that song that that that riff is fucking eerie and Devin that that's about your grandmother that passed away correct Yeah, yeah, yep, yep.

Yeah, that's about my grandmother who raised me. You know, it's about the, I got the news that she had cancer. And then after her first chemo treatment, her body just didn't take it. So it was like, anything goes. And I was contemplating, like, because I used to say for years, like, that was like the one death that was just going to fuck me up. I already knew it. And, you know, I kind of looked at it as like, yo, am I going to, am I just going to like mourn forever and, you know, just eat shit every day until I get over it? Or am I just going to live for her and, like, do what she wanted me to do?

And that is to have fun and follow my dreams. So I wrote that as like, you know, in this state of, you know, she's gone and she's not coming back. So it was like, now balls in your court. Quit being a bitch. Just fucking go live your goddamn life. So, yeah, you know, that's what, you know, mortal is related to death and admonishment is, uh, as like a warning.

So that's like when I was told like, hey, your grandma's about to exit, you know. And this is when death metal gets real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Emotional metal. Taking it real goes too far. Yeah. No, you can't, you can't take it to you apart with that, man.

Yeah, for sure. So, you know, and if she is somewhere looking at me or whatever, I know damn well she's proud and I'm stoked. And it's cool because like, you know, my mom hits me up and was just like, we don't talk that often. But, you know, when she did hit me up, she was like, hey, found out this song's about grandma. And I listened to it. And now it's on my playlist. And I listen to it at work and all this. So it's fucking sick.

And she works at a fucking funeral home. Oh, wow. So they're playing our song at a funeral home. Wow. That's some heavy shit, dude. What does your family think about the band? It's always funny showing, like, family members. My parents think it's the coolest thing ever.

Really? Yeah, yeah. Nice. Every time I show my dad, he, like, literally starts crying with laughter. Like, he just thinks it's so cool. That's sick. Also, like, we, you know, My fucking God bless my mother, dude, she, she's like the incubator, you know, like we do everything in my basement, well, her basement, where I live in the studio.

That's where my studio space is. I just have my bed in my studio space, you know, and that's where it all happens. And she, like, you know, because we all live about two hours away from each other, they'll all come over. She'll make beds for everybody. She'll cook them breakfast, cook dinner. Like, she's the most proud mom. could ever be and it's fucking awesome shout out amber she is the best human ever for real i love you mom oh yeah well it sounds like you guys have a strong family foundation yeah i mean we're all pretty

tight with our family i think it's good it all lead up it does like support like a lot of heavy bands you know it's definitely like that for us you know we you know we fucking play in uh my my parents garage you know just kind of keep that like core factor in there, you know. What do your parents think about what you do? Love it now. Hell yeah. They didn't, though?

It's not like they didn't love it. It was more like, you know, meho. So I'm going to college, start thinking about a full-time job, about your life, about a wife. And, you know, like the standard way of living, which is not, it's not how we're wired at all. For sure. But I think once I started seeing people come out to the shows at a young age, it kind of started to kind of actually fit. basically see where what was happening yeah yeah so we got very very lucky there had to physically show them yeah now i mean that they've been supported they've been an anchor

fuck yeah yeah yeah anchor my my parents and and my my lady like if they weren't there the band wouldn't exist anymore i feel it i feel it because you know when shit you get tough you have all you have is your foundational home exactly like whoever your best friends are or exactly your family when shit gets rough which it will It's kind of, you know. It's in the pudding. It is. Yeah, I mean, like my dad, he didn't understand it or why I was, like, gone so much because, I mean,

they never, like, really paid too much keen eye on anything. But then when, you know, we confirmed that we were torn with cannibal corpse last year, my dad was just like, well, shit, I've heard a cannibal corpse, you know? So that was kind of like, uh, me and my dad's real. recognized real type moment. And when we played that hometown show like before Europe, I actually saw like tears in my dad's eyes. And I was like, dude, we can't have my friends thinking that you're a bitch.

It's not how you raised me. You're going to wipe that shit up, dude. Suck it up, yeah. Wow. You're embarrassing me. Stop it. This whole circle, full circle. Not in front of my friends.

Wow. Well, didn't your dad get you into like, or try to get you to like, with more, more big angel, separatorial. to before Yeah, yeah Did he initially try And then Like you were too young

To like kind of get it Yeah So like My dad was into like You know your standard Big Big Four Big Five like death metal bands And you know

My dad liked a lot of Hardcore punk and stuff too And But you know Once I became a teenager That's when He started getting I mean he always hunted and fish

But he started listening Like butt country And like All kinds of shit And Started wearing buckle jubes Packing a dip in his lip and fucking jacking up his truck. And yeah, so, you know, he thought that I was just going to go on this path of like,

he wanted me, he wanted me to be an athlete. And, uh, yeah, and I was just like, dad, I'm too short and I'm not fast. So. And then, uh, too things. They're so graceful, dad. Yeah. And then he wants me. Not fast, graceful.

Then he wants me to like learn a trick. or whatever and I'm just like dude I just want to rock I don't want to I want to do this I can't hold a fucking job because it doesn't it doesn't catch my attention at all and then I don't like being

fucking told what to do so I want to be able to have like a free form thing where I could just like fuck around and sing songs about like eating dead bodies and fucking dead bodies and coming in a dead person's ass or something you know slurping your seat out that's right oh my goodness

That's fucking heavy. That's what Felching Phil. And then that's how, so the band originally started with you, Cody, and you, Devin, right? That was kind of like the first, like, initial kind of. Yeah, InterX guitarist. Yeah, yeah. The camera role for sure.

Cool. How did you guys meet, meet Sed? I think me and Cedric, we met. When was the first time we met? We played, he was a birthday show for this guy named Scott. who book shows in Louisville. It was like a big fest. It was like knock loose headline

before they had put out their first full length. So this is like 2016, 17 maybe. So we met there and it was sick. I was like watching him play drums. I was like, holy shit. Never heard anybody play like gospel chops like that.

Oh yeah. And then his band goes to play and he's playing guitar and I'm like, well, goddamn, bro. He's like the best drummer. watched like all day he's just fucking around backstage and on someone else's kid dude yeah the rest is history after

that yeah I mean like we played shows with so I was in a band called Grimm's State he was in Cermos and we did a split together and they like came to my mom's house and recorded like I recorded them and that's kind of like when we like you know went from like show homies

to like now we're like you know actually breathe in the same air kind of vibing hard you know and I think like literally like we were going to do a band called credulity so like Cedric just came to my house. You know, he lives in Indianapolis so it was like two and a half hour drive. Stay with me for a few days. We wrote this little demo and we never put it out.

And then like... It's like three song. Yeah. And then like, you know, we kind of like, I didn't see you for about a year after that. And then like out of nowhere we needed something to do and we were just having like a random phone conversation and I was like I don't know dude like I don't know what I'm gonna do about like finding a bass player and you're like I mean shit man I'll do it you know and like and I didn't really like think how serious he was about I was just kind of like you know like you live

two hours away like you know whatever and then the motherfucker committed moved to Columbus and wow it was like real as fuck all of a sudden and yeah two years later yeah that's that's committed like when you make that that big move man oh yeah for sure you You guys are lifers. I was telling, I had this conversation with Cody when I was extremely high. Like you guys, I mean, you guys were lifers, dude. Try it. Lifers.

Yeah. And you just know that it's kind of like an unspoken thing. You know, you don't really talk about it, but you just know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think like for a band of this caliber in general, like the people who are not lifers, they weed themselves out because otherwise the band doesn't work. You know, so it's like, it just, you know, the only, you know, the only thing.

only way this works is if you're a lifer. You know what I mean? Facts. Exactly. And Drew, like you, so you were playing, you got hooked up with these guys, but you initially didn't even want to be full time. No, I didn't, they just, so, Devin hit me up one day out of the blue and was like, hey, we're doing this tour,

and we need a bass player, like, fill in, you know what I mean? I was like, fuck yeah, I'll do it. Because I've known Devin, I didn't really know Cody too much, but we had, like, briefly met each other just by playing shows like in Dayton or whatever and uh yeah I went to go jam with them and just like immediately became like brothers just like that was the first day I met said was the first jam I did with them and we were just like vibing so hard and I was like this is sick we're playing the fortnight or grand theft auto GTA and listening to like new wave all night and getting high as fuck Cody's mom came in the basement she was like came with like a pizza she made and was

like I know you guys want the She read our mind Yeah But then like I did that tour It was the Frozen Hole tour And uh Well it was wait Your first thing was a wrecking ball

Oh yeah In our little five day row Two hundred stablins That's right And the only reason we were asking you for part time Is because we knew you were committed with like three other bands Yeah Three?

Yeah I mean a band called like Mutil Atridge Like death mal band And then like a couple little side projects from home That I just like Dick around with him outside. Yeah, outside in another

being, Mika. Mika sick as fuck. Hung from the rising sun. Oh yeah, I forgot. Me and Eli and Jimmy do that every now and then. And it's cool. Drew literally said like the most coolest thing ever when I asked him to like be a part of it. And he was like,

let me think about it. And then immediately was like, yeah, I'm down. Yeah, my boss, my boss who's like touring, like ex-touring dude, dope-ass dude. Shout out Mike. He was like, Like, if you don't say yes to this, you're fired. And I was like, you got it.

Thanks, Mike. Yeah. Damn, that's, that's sick. But then, like, yeah, did a couple tours, became, like, straight up best friends, you know? I think literally, so, you know, when we did that five-day run, I remember, like, we still understood that, like, it was mainly a part-time thing.

And I think when we were in Indianapolis is, like, the second day. I was like, so what do you think? Do you want to do this, like, for real? Yeah. And I was like, yeah, dude. This is sick. Drew's a big part of why this band is so cool. absolutely oh stop he brings he brings like a psychotic like riff factor uh to the band and you know a lot of

like our moer crazy uh intricate parts you're also the most like one of the most down motherfuckers i've ever met yeah if i need you here or if anybody needs you you're so committed to that i think that's awesome and then set i got my boys more than anything in the world you know you can wake up set from a dead asslet and ask him to write a rift riff. It's gonna be the most hard shit. It's the first rift. Yeah, he'll be like, wait, what? And then you play it again and be like, fuck, I forgot. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so face ripped off. This is actually a cool, this is a cool little full circle thing. So when Cedricedic came to my house, oh, the credulity project to do Cudulidooleudity, the face ripped off, the first 30, the first

minute and a half is literally from a song that me and Cedric wrote like five years ago. No. Yes, and what it was is like I just learned about mortician and I heard that chainsaw dismemberment, you know? Wow. And there's that time changers like, dent, dintin, dent, d'ekka, d'n, d'n, and I was like, dude, I want to do that because it's like, you know, it's a slam, and then a different slam, different tempo, no transition, and then right back to another one, you know what I mean? And that's how it came out. And that dund, da, d'n, dun, that's a cedric riff from fucking five, six years ago. And I remember when we were demoing it to repurpose it, he was playing it wrong. I was going to say, I was going to say, I wondered what it was the first time we came back to it, he was probably like, ding, the king, king, king, king.

I had a video, and that's the only reason why I could be like, no, no, no, this is how, you know, this is what it is. I'm like Kirk Kament and the some kind of monster talking about. Yeah. Yeah. My favorite quote from that movie, I watched that movie recently, and it's a fucking comedy movie through and through. It is phenomenal. He goes it's the notes in between that are fucking with my head and it's so it's like the office on almost you know. Yeah, he's it's like dude Yeah

Duda do do do do do bro Jamie can you pull that up please Thanks Jay Oh yeah, look at his face. Is it? Yeah, oh he's pissed This guy okay, I can leave it is for real the office Yeah Shout out to the edge Can we go by M.K? Yeah.

Oh my goodness. Cody is so James, dude. Fuck, yeah, Kirk. You know what? Sometimes, like, those simple riffs will fuck your heads off. Oh, dude, totally. Me and Mark would have, like, a rip

and, like, it would be, like, simple, but there's something in this fuck to you're, you can't get it. You can't get it. Dude, I realize that I fuck up the riffs I write live more than his or his I'm just like, yo, this is mine, but I'm going to decide to fuck this one up the most every time. You're just making a stinky.

Yeah. I'm still trying to learn him, bro. Of course. We talk about that after every set. We're like, do you fuck up today? We're like, fuck yeah. But not like bad. You're just like, oh shit.

Oh, brutal. Stang face. Yeah, but we all do it, man. Look how heavy that riff is. There's some of the songs on that record are fucking heads. For sure. I think there's like drop G records that's me that's me right there I had a boy trick That's funny as fuck but he's so dope I love Kirk yeah yeah yeah yeah

It's just I just can't believe they did him dirty like that and he was like if that was true I'd be like take that shit out what the fuck I swear they always do him dirty like they're like how can we embarrass him and like It's not it's not fair it's not it's not fair it's not it's not James in fucking Lars, like Lars selling paintings for a million bucks, getting wine drunk with his girl that's like eight feet taller. It's like, pimp, what are you doing? He's like, I'm in my art era. All right.

Something that no one talks about with this ban is that they're also the most transparent band of all time. Totally. They put it out there. I'm like, dude, you know what? That's just the way you do it. They still take risks. They still do it. They do.

I respect the hell. of it because this is that movie honestly is so like intrusive on their lives like it's very intrusive it's insane it's real you know yeah it's so real the first 10 minutes james is like all right well i have to go to rehab for like two years yeah see you guys later he's like i can only hang out with you guys and write for like two and a half minutes from this time to this time and then i got to go to a which like respect but yeah because there's parts where lars is talking about like james potentially leaving even around that time that those conversations are private yeah yeah they didn't have that shit all out

there they put their balls on the table in this movie it's pretty I mean they they had to say okay to the edit though that's where I'm at they were like this makes sense you know at the end we still also we're gonna make money at your expense it'll be fine James Huffield is a fucking God dude that dude is a rocker the fucking downpicking legend dude and he's a sick-ass drummer he's like a hidden drummer too hey jake can I have another a beer I'm sorry me too please. Another, what, the Kate?

I want to dissect this. I'll take another one too. Why not? I was planning on having more, but now it's 10.51 a.m. Yeah, it's the time, you know? Last show. You're with the boys.

Let's have a great day today, bro. This is me a great day. Fuck yeah. It's been a very magical three days. Dude, honestly, it's been a magical whole month. Dude. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm upset. I am too. I have goosebumps thinking about some of the shows and like the energy at some of these shows. Like, unreal. Yeah. It's been. been a huge come-up for us on this tour. It's badass. Pontiac, Michigan, Mesa, Arizona, L.A.,

It's been an amazing experience. Berkeley. Last night was so sick. I was so sick. I was so high on edibles last night. Dude, I couldn't even, I didn't even know who I was while I was playing yesterday. I looked at Cody and I was like, I don't feel good. He was like, I'm having a panic attack. I was like, stop. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, hold on. Just don't. Try not to do that. Yes. Last show. Last day. Good luck Wholesome boys

Wholesome boys So if you have two beers There's something about a chemical reaction With two beers it goes to your biceps Really? Yeah So I don't want to drink this But just for muscle building properties

I have to do it Oh yeah You get jacked I need to start drinking more beer Yeah And then you have four It'll transfer over two of your triceps Fuck yeah

If you have five it might actually to turn on your fat burning hormones. Maybe I'll have eight. How many until it goes to your dick? Yo, I can tell you, any. You want half a sip. It's there. Mine skips the dick and just goes to my balls.

Big balls. Three big balls. Well, you did your lifers. And I was having, during our high conversation, Cody, in Vegas. Yeah. Something, you helped me process something. So thank you how we're talking about, you know, playing music and having a career or doing what you love. And you guys are just lifers.

And you guys and we're talking about how, you know, basically you want to die standing up. And we're talking about, you know, don't ever sit down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You can't, yeah, you were saying that like even if you sit down for a little bit, that's going to impact, you know, it's, I mean, it's the fact. foundation analogy, you know, when you got like a, you got like a brick wall. Well, if there's like something under one brick, the whole fucking thing is dipped up. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So yeah, I agree with that, though. It's all about, um, it's the focus thing. You know, what you focus on grows, you know, and if you stop focusing on it, well, it's kind of, it's like watering a plant. You know, it's philosophy and shit. Motivist. Motivational metal. If you sit down, you're like, never like, like, if you might take a shit. You might take a shit. And you're never going to like. It's cool. And you're never going to like. You never really want to be fully satisfied because you'll never, you'll get stagnant, you know? If you sit down and you're like, okay with what you're doing, that's where you're going to stop.

Well, also, if you sit down to go to somewhere else and like, you know, sometimes you need that, but what we're really trying to say is like you don't want the band to sit down. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. You just want to, you want to die on your feet and you guys naturally already have that ingrained in your foundation and your music. I hear it. I hear it and I feel it.

You know, I remember like, yeah, listening to like, mortal was like in my bunk alone it was like man this shit's fucking you should play it tonight it has oh I was saying last night you guys it's on the set list why um we only have 30 minutes yeah we had to cut it down a 25 really just yeah yeah kind of wanted something to just fit the whole tour package yeah just quick heavy like energetic yeah because that song is kind of an epic it's like five minutes a long yeah it is five minutes long like a roller coaster it takes you like three four different phases yeah um and we felt like you know um at the live experience especially for like the style of music that all the other bands are playing

it kind of needs to be like uh instant gratification you know and not saying that that song doesn't give me that but um yeah it was just the ending knows we wanted to play it uh but it was just seemed yeah it didn't make the cut yeah maybe on on the next one oh for sure i mean headliner i mean Yeah, headliner this summer. We could play tomorrow or the day after tomorrow because we're going home, you know. Oh, you guys have shows on the way home, huh? Yeah, just a few. Sick.

New Mexico and OKC. Yeah. O'C out in New Mexico. Gallup, yeah. Peeling Flesh and Kostic in O KC. Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure. Sorry, not sure who's on the New Mexico show, but O KC is going to be sick as fun.

Shout out peeling flesh. Yeah, that band rocks. Shout out peeling flesh. New flesh is great, dude. Dopeeux. Dopeeux, too. Shout out Michael. Yeah, dude.

Michael's a dog. There was, Jesus and they're all, they're all sick, dude. They have, they have a shirt that doesn't say

their band name on it. It's the waffle hell shit. It's, uh, no, it's like, what is it, gangster?

Boom. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds like some weakening the cadire. That's sweet, man.

It's true. It's true. I said. Mike was about that, man, he's like, you know, like,

slam is like, he says that. He's like, Slam's like rap you know when he pull it up one of the first times you met him he had he's got this dope ass I don't know what kind of car is I think it was a cutlass but it had some nice ass rims like so sick and he's got the loudest subs ever and I got some beats and he let me play some of my beats in it was like dude making the door shake yeah that was sick Michael's dad was like a car dude he like built like low riders and shit yeah slamming gangster groove the when they made the the the group the scales.

Does that just a meme? Well, he sent me that, that, that was, that was sick. They were like gold plated like, uh, uh, scales that you would like put, you know, to wear your drugs out of way, to wear your tobacco. And, uh, to wear your meats. And it had his, uh, it had their logo on it. It was just like, gold plated though. Yeah.

And I was like, yo, you guys running that? And they were like, we're looking at it. We're talking to like some CNC dude. And I was like, y'all are. They don't do it first. We are. Yeah, we're going to steal it. Sorry.

Love you guys. We have a big influence from hip hop too. You know, it's not as obvious. But like, before Drew's in the band, we had like this pin in pixel style t-shirt. And, I don't know. It was pretty cool, you know. No, Drew was in the band. I think he just couldn't be there for that day.

No, no, no. Really? No, yeah. This was like. No, it was right before. It was like right after the 200-stab boots run. Oh, okay. Yeah, it was after that.

It was like when... It was on a whim because we were hanging out and we used. accidentally came across some dudes who had like the dopest low rider with suicide doors. Yeah. And they were just like asking us what's up and we were like can we pose in front of your car? Nice. What are you guys doing?

Be it dumb. Just trying to make as much back. Literally being me and said trying to be quiet. That's so good. So good. You guys are still fucking wrong and shit. Oh my goodness.

We just don't stop, unfortunately. It's not a flash paper. do it Drew I think it was you that that said That just encompassed your music and what and like a thought process that you know that that we have as well You're like yeah we're like You listen to corn to defeat a sannie to hip-hop and that it's like it encompasses so much You know like what is what is some like non-metal artists that like inspired the banner like you're saying like hip-hop

Oh I mean dude is like project for real fucking pat yeah well that's hip-hop he's asking what besides that We all fucking love like dream pop and like goth pop and shit like that too. I grew up. I grew up. Like my mom is like a new wave like 80s girl. So she got me into like New Order and like the Pesh mode and the Smiths and like Blitz and just like random shit like that. But then she got me into like corn as well. But like.

Wow. Yeah. So like fuck we listen to like cold cave and like. We listen to like just as much metal as we listen to not metal. Good. Yeah. Have to. Yeah.

Cold Cave, Crystal Castle, soft kill. Fearing. Yeah. Nothing. Shout out nothing. Yo, shout out to the best band ever. Please make a comeback, were.

Oh my God, were. Hot tag. The best canceled band. Yes. Depeche mode. How do you, how do you spell that word? Yeah, W-H-I-R. W-H-I-R.

Okay. Yeah, they're sick. I think, are they from California? Yeah, they are. They're a Yeah, they're like guitar player dude Like Nick Bassett He was in like

Deaf Heaven Nothing and like Yeah like a bunch of random bands like that What's the one like Flock of Seagulls band that they have? You talk about death of lovers Yeah dude death of lovers is a good band too That you know Death of Lovers

Got it good My Bloody Valentine Yeah I think with like music like that It's so inspiring to us Because like we don't have any sort of like favorite style of music, but the way we express ourselves is more in the aggressive

and like metal, emotional more. Emo, metal, shit. We're just vibe guys. Yeah. If the vibes right, we're fan. Like, dude, me and Devin love the cranberries. Fuck it. Failure, Fugas. Fugazi. Fugazi is one of like my favorite bands of all time.

Slint. Slant. Slant. Slant. Unwound. Yeah. Thingy. Listen bro.

Pinback. I listen to a lot of mic... Swirleys? Also, we've been listening to a lot of jazz, too, like Yusuf Kamal. Well, Yusuf Days, Kamal Williams. That's, like, some of my favorite shit of all time. Cody puts on, like, some of the sickest shit

when he's driving at, like, 2.30 to 5 a.m. I wake up, and it's, like, the craziest, like, vibe jazz, but it's, like, also, like, anxiety-inducing, but so great. Of course. Yo, Vince. It's my dog. Tub will be.

Come out. So what like, what non-metal stuff were you jamming, like, when you're, like, kind of in, like, the mindset and writing process of, uh, of, of homicidal? I mean, there's definitely a blunt to my lips, you know, Project Pat. Totally. Project Pat. We listen a lot, I mean. Horns metal. Yeah.

I mean, we also, like, really fuck with grind core hard. Yeah, of course. But that's obviously metal adjacent. I mean, honestly, it's like, you know, we, we'll sit there and write for nine. hours in a row and then we need a break and then that's when the dream pop comes on or like the nine inch nails or fucking chival we love fucking you know you don't talk about chival we fucking love butt rock dude that's been like the most we've been jamming nickel back we've been jamming at all three days grace nickel back seather oh system of a down system of a goddamn down stained stained dude

dysfunction is our shit you know mud shovel is one of the sickest songs probably ever Yeah Very true man If probably ever is a timeline It's mud shovels on that Yo he sucks He looks like ramen noodles But yo all the teeth

All three of those dudes in that picture Yo is that Will Ramos from Lorner Shore Holy shit Before his hair is broke Antsman Dude the anal count record Where they copy the Motley crew Yeah yeah

It's a fucking A or whatever That's so funny Have you guys heard of Hemdale? Yes. Oh, yes. I was just curious. Hemdale is a big fucking influence on us. My friend Isaac used to play in Hemdale.

He's from... Really? He lived in Dayton for a while, and he really got me into like all the really underground Gore-Grine shit, you know, and... Is Hemdale-Based? Cleveland. Are he serious? Oh, wow.

Shout out Matt from Hemdale. Yeah. He's the man. Dude, Ohio's nuts. So many bands from Ohio. Integrity. Integrity. gutted and Balmer, Hemdale, Ringworm,

LeBron James. Mushroom head. Yeah, I was always wondering, like, what it was like to grow up around the scene in, like, Columbus, Ohio, what were you guys based out of, you know? It's battered and fuck, you know. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. It depends. I mean, honestly, honestly, like, it really is. Devin's only one from Columbus, so, like, for me personally, I didn't get to see shit, you know. I've only been to, like,

maybe 12 shows where I got, not to see bands I wanted to see and it's like Iron Maiden, Drew Theater. However, I did see Cypress Hill, Lincoln Park, and Adema when I was seven. That is so beast.

That's pretty fucking cool. So we saw Converge recently. We did. First time. How was that? It was so fucking cool. Of course. They're truly,

they're one of the best bands of all time. Shout out the Kurt Baloo, who mixed homicidal ecstasyy. He did? Oh, wow. He was actually like, so I've been recording our stuff. Like,

I recorded and makes a, the semester tortured hole and pornographic seizures and we wanted to record with kurt but his schedule didn't work out but he um he actually penciled us in he was really booked up and i think he had a session that fell through and he's like hey i got five days if you still want to do this album and that's why i was on that tight tight deadline you know we actually had a cancel necro fest just to like meet that uh deadline you know which we're making up for this year yeah we're playing necro fest again this year yeah we're here to fuck fides up this year again for sure yeah fucking loveitis.

Yeah, the whole recording process, mixing and mastering like that was like, it was truly stressful. There was a lot going on. It was a very stressful time. We were like in between tours

and like we were like literally like that's another reason why we were like writing three days at a time is because like we we had a deadline to meet. We had to keep going and luckily we got high enough to just shit out too many songs. So we actually have three B sides that did not make the album. Yeah. We like the, it was so we. We did the Nile tour.

and then we came home and wrote a couple songs and then we did the terror tour and then wrote like six songs and then finished the tour, recorded it and then we were only off for like maybe a month. I was right in my drum parts in the studio. Yeah, five weeks

and then we did three weeks with a headliner and then we had three weeks off, two weeks off and then did another three weeks. So it was just like endless. Jeez. Go, go, go, go, go, go. It was rough, but it was so worth it. And I think it reflected

Like, you know, in the album, you know I think it gave us like a really good sense of like Proper work ethic too Is now or never Yeah, and that's a hard lesson in my or? I think so What's that? Oh, here.

David looks pissed. No, no. That's, I have RBF dude. Like, that's my face. I do too. I always think my mom's mad. I always think my mom's mad and she's just like, motherfucker I'm just looking at you.

Dude, I'm happy. I'm laughing. Yeah. I'm happy. Yeah. Well, dude, I'm glad the ES schedule worked out. Sometimes, like, it's rare, but sometimes having that kind of slightly chaotic life will add to the music sometimes. Yeah.

I think we like that. I think we kind of thrive off of the spontaneousness of, like, what we do. Yeah. I get anxious about, like, not planning, but I think, like, kind of just rolling with the flow and going with it makes, like, everything, like, a little more, more enjoyable to an extent. because you're not like fixating on planning you're just kind of like going you gotta play that video

Drew which video dude dude my neck hurt for like a week after I could never do that again what song is that is that the last paper

we should have just told people this song was dead as shit this is our last this is our last time the chance to Swiftly with Garza podcast so Garza you're the dope

No, you guys were a good bitch. Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck. We're such a good influence. Hell yeah, dude. All right, so what are we doing tonight to Boo? It's the last day. What are we doing to them tonight? I think we're going to put that fake turd in their... All right.

We're going to shit on their balls. You guys have a booed or what? No. No, no. They just... So, like, they had a Facebook status where they're making fun of our name, and that's fine. That's a part of our gimmick. Yeah.

But they made a comment that was like, now you owe us like a merch cut for all this propaganda like all this uh propaganda yeah oh yeah we made the propaganda yeah so we were like oh you want to make about money well now we gotta you know now we got to fight back and this is literally that first video with drew was literally like two hours before we left for this tour yeah and because we thought that was so funny i took that sample and put it into our set and where that drum feel comes in we go into our song hold up hold up y'all were again it and I begged you guys. Dude, I was not. You know, I was, I was against it. You know, I'm, yeah. You two were about it. And it was me.

Because I was sitting in the, I was like, damn, what if we sampled it? And you two were like, yo! And I was like, yo, I'm like kind of kidding. But it's, I love it now. It's my favorite part of the set, because I get a little, like, emotional and shit. And I'm like, we're viving to hunger for your insides, which is the most dummy song we have. So it works perfectly. Yeah.

That's great. I love it. Yeah, shout of the born Apis Cyrus, man. Oh, yeah, yeah. They're honestly dope dudes. There's absolutely no people. When I was 14, I got into

like harsh vocals, like death core, whatever, because I was really into weird math rock and like anything technical. But I was kind of a bitch about like the harsh vocals, as I called it back then, you know? And like they were one of the first

bands where I was like, this is like the music so complex that I'm willing to like get past the vocals and then I ended up falling up with that and it was like Vela Maya of Osiris after the burial Musuga and like that just between the burying me and that just kind of like projected me into this heavy

you know and now I'm on the pursuit to just be the heaviest motherfucker of all time that's the great plan yeah like my side project Petrus stew is like just me trying to be you know nothing can be heavier than this you know or at least that's the goal that's it you literally

They tune to D standard. Yeah, I got four strings on my guitar. I had to move them into the middle half because if you have two big strings, they fall off the fretboard. Okay, and I tune as low as I can go where I can still get it in tune. It's not a seven string. It's not extended steel. Yeah, D standard, one octave down. So if you have a bass guitar and you tune it down, D standard.

It's gnarly. It's D for dumb. Dude, all these, like, double tunings. are fucking freaking me out. What do you so scared of? What do you mean double? Like it's not like you're seeing like, well, it's a D tuning, but it's not like D,

it's a dog, so they, they call that double D or double A. Oh, okay, okay. And I've been hearing it at the past six months like double what? Yeah, I've never heard of that. Double D's, bro. Double D boobs.

Oh, come on. We know what we like. Shout out boobs for being badass and dope. This podcast is brought to you by boobs. Oh my goodness. If only. Well, obviously, like, you guys and the band, you guys have talked, you know, already enough about your band name. But what I was curious about it is, was there, like, a conversation about the band name first?

Or is there, like, a intention, hey, we want something to kind of, like, get people talking and what, or get people's attention? It's hard for us to comment on that because the straight up, we didn't come with the name. Cameron, our old guitar player came to the name. And the way he explained. to us was like he was in a black metal band his stage name was sangu suga and his last name's bogs but he didn't want to be the singuosuga bogs

so he took the s out and he presented it to me first as a side project we played in like a punk band once called humility he thought I was a cool drummer I was not really into death metal I had no idea about like maggot stump or caveman death metal or anything but I heard

the succulent decedent I thought that was a cool fucking riff and I wanted a reason to play drums because I'm a drummer second guitar player first and it was just supposed to be a side project and you know it just accidentally became the thing so like wow we did not really play a factor into the name you know however the gimmick of like the most illegible logo and the most unpronounceable name has worked to our favor and i wouldn't change it you know it's so it's so rare that it's like it's worked in like the favor it's like a meme it truly is like you look at it and you're like what you have to question it almost yeah

You have to. Even like to sheep the logo. Yeah. Just like to sheep it. I don't know. There's something like intriguing about it. It's not symmetrical, you know. Yeah, kind of hangs like... It's like a back shot or like a pile of shaved pews. Cameron had a good play in that too, you know, so.

That's great. Yeah, Cameron and Bridget. And for me, admitting something, the first time I even heard the term at the heart. Matt McEastoff was like this month. Really? I never heard that term before.

It's a label based on a kid. Kelly. Okay. Scott would your ass. Scott's actually going to be a tonight show. Sick. Yeah. They're like the label to put out our first EP and stuff. Yeah. Nice. Magnet Stop. What it was like it's like I mean slip knot type. They put out like vomit forth and frozen soul and 200 stab wounds. Mortal wound. So they were like inoculation. They were popping and like me personally I had no idea. So like camera was like hey, already have this guy that is interested in it. I'm like cool. So we mixed and mastered it in one day and sent it over and he put it out a month later and Overnight it became the biggest band that we have ever been in What do you think that was I mean just because of maggots stomped and what they were doing you know straight up? I honestly

I think from from outsider perspective before I was even in the band the absurdity of it okay I think that's what made it pop it is hard same the album cover is ridiculously funny but sick where the wild things are yeah exactly the logo you know it's already doing its thing and it's just fucking awesome it's so sick yeah like when that first came out because like my other band mutilatrid and devon super good friends so like we heard it immediately you know you mean we're like oh this is gonna be fucking dude everyone's gonna love it you know what I mean it just like immediately like like said said the absurdity that's really cool to hear for me guys because for me and Devin it was like a fucking fart in the wind.

I mean that that was the thing. Like it all came together in like basically a day. Yeah. The EP. Like I said, the spontaneousness of this band in general has worked in all of its favors. I tracked my vocals and wrote all that stuff in the studio. That was also like my first time ever hanging out with Cody.

Yeah. Yeah. It was when I recorded the EP. It was all basically off the top of the dome. What's that? What's that cheeks line? Her. Bathing in her cheeks.

Yeah. Like, I remember, like, we were trying to do the phrasing. Then you were like, bathe in her cheeks. Yeah. And we thought it was so funny that like it just, you know, it worked, you know. Wow. Does it there is something about that first off, off the top of your head, spontaneous idea that tends to be the one that sticks.

I agree. Go through gut, man. Discania did the. Same thing that was all in one night. Yeah, that was like before Drew's in the band Cameron was still in the band and tortured hole was supposed to come out in like three days Yeah, it's when Cameron was about to quit yeah he we didn't see him a lot and At the time and and we were just like bored we're like fuck this we're gonna make something cool, you know and we wanted to make some like OG slam death core inspired brutal death and we wrote and recorded and got it on new standard delete and

and mixing and mastered it in like 48 hours. Not even that. It was like one night. I think it's 24. And then we did, we did all the songs in one day and we sent like a rough demo over to, what's his name for New Standard? Dan, Dan, Dan, and he was like, let's go. But he was like, we had to change the name because what was the name?

It was the original prostateectomy. Yeah, and decent prostatectomy, which is like botched butthole surgery. Oh, that was terrible. And the album title, I was going through kidney stones. Yeah. So the album title is Mike Durating, Debrating. deposits of grit through the urinary tract so it's about a kidney stone yeah I hear that's the worst thing I um apparently you know a big pee hole so I did not experience any pain but I did I did piss blood for three weeks

yo five three weeks Cody has two holes in his dick yeah were you scared I mean I'm a little bit I'm gonna end that one out anyway come on I keep going to be I was concerned I was concerned a little bit. Is it it out? Yeah. What do you say? No, it's what you said. It's what you say, you idiot.

The two peels? Two holes in his dick? Yeah. That we're gonna do it again. Can I not say it? It's a joke. It is. It's totally a joke.

Yeah, it's literally a joke. Okay, and then we're gonna keep it in. Don't you're scared when you're bleeding out of your private part. Are you? Oh, you're terrified? I was like metal. I'm just kidding.

The first time it happened, I was on acid and I was Even crazier. I was pissing and I was like Am I seeing shit? Because I'm on acid And then the next day I just kept happening And I was like, yeah, I'm peeing

Brisk tea right now And then it became actual blood And I just had to like If I drank water, it was clear But if I didn't drink any water Within like three hours It was pure blood Not like pure blood but you know

Red water Well Cody I'm glad you're here alive And still Thanks, dude. I got to keep my kidney stone, and it looks like cock and balls. It literally looks like it's a crystal that has this shape. You still have it? Oh, yeah.

Damn. You want to see it? Yeah. We should smoke it. Put it on a necklace. We've definitely talked about putting it in dab rig. Yeah. Oh, no.

It would probably work. I feel like that would, like, fuck your lungs up. I think the whole world would go. Dude, what if we got addicted to kidney stones? Dude, yeah, what if it was like the sickest trip? ever. And you guys wrote like the most massive metal record of all the times. Dude, yeah.

Dabbing his fucking kidney stone. Well, it was cool, though. Like, we wrote that, put it out. And we put it out the day before tortured hole, which was probably stupid. But we just were, like, so excited. We were like, this sounds so cool. It was so sick.

Or old guitar player was so mad at us. Yeah. He said he wanted to do something like that with us. But then again, we weren't seeing him a lot at the time. Yeah, fuck him. Oh, my goodness. Did you guys Was it a conscious idea or decision?

Okay, we're not going to have a bass player officially. We're going to have like, like the ball guitar players are going to split the signal. This is my perspective of the story. So on our first tour ever with the original lineup, our bass player got so sick that he took a bus home from New York City because he was really concerned and wanted to go see his doctor. So he left.

and Pat from you to Latrid actually borrowed or allowed Cameron to borrow a pitch shifter pedal. And like that, the idea of that I got from like watching Goregrind bands where it's like a two piece guitar player plays guitar as vocals, has two rigs, one with a pitch shifter. And then it was like a DIY version of, you know, not having enough cool friends, I guess, to play the music you want to play. So anyways, we did that one show and that's our first video with St. Vitus. It's on YouTube and me and Cameron thought it sounded so cool. We were like, dude, what if we like did that? Like, you know, and we saw it a bass player. So the idea was like, let's do that and then have like a 212 on the bottom that has the pitch shifter.

And, you know, we were just kind of nerd and out thinking like, oh, that's kind of weird. That would be cool. We'd end up not doing that. and then when Drew got in the band he's such a good fucking guitar player and he has such a cool dude I don't know you fucking rule

anyways I love you but anyways we you know respected his guitar playing so much that we wanted him to play guitar and you know Sam was Cedric he's like when Cedric got in the band

he played bass first and then when Cameron left the band he ended up being the guitar player and he's a much better guitar player he fucking kills it so so we were like well we do we really want to invite like another person into this chaotic post-COVID.

We have to do this now situation. And we were kind of like, well, that's, we don't really have anybody in mind. That's probably not going to work out. So I thought about that Vitas show, which was pre-COVID. So it was like a three-year-old idea. And I was like, dude, what if we just both, what if you guys both did it, you know? And then I was thinking back to like Converge has this one song. It's hell to pay or something maybe.

Is that the right? Is it the do-it-d-d-da-d-da-d-da-do-no. No, it's like kind of starts out like sober by Tool, and it's just bass. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the only song I know that has stereo-based, two bass tracks, because I'm a big Kurt-blue nerd. But anyways, I thought that sounded so cool.

So I was like, not only is it cool that you both are playing bass, but we'll have it hard-panned, and almost nobody does that. And that's another reason why I wanted to go to Kurt to kind of get the best result that we could get with that. So yeah, it was kind of like, you know, we were like, should we do it? I don't know. Should we do it? Fuck it. We're doing it. I remember me and you were in San Diego on a day off, tripping on acid and needed weeds.

So we went to a dispensary. And you were like, yo, we're just going to fucking do it on the Nile tour. And I was like, okay. Because I learned the songs on guitar just by listening to the demo. Yeah, I didn't have a bass. So I just learned them on guitar anyways. so I was like let's just jam fuck it and yeah

and we would not change it you know like I think one reason why it works is because we tuned so low if we tuned higher it'd probably come up like Jack Wyatt or some kind of yeah like the 68 or 68 or whatever which is badass

yeah yeah so I think that's one reason why most people don't notice they just notice that there's not like a dude holding a bass on stage you know but everybody like all of our peers who play in bands play guitar and stuff they're like dude that's that's like one of the heaviest things I've ever heard you know and we're like well then we're going to

keep doing it yeah everyone is like so like like uh I don't I guess it's like jarring for people to see because like Cody said there's no bass player standing on stage and also yeah supportive and curious about how we do it too you know yeah which is which is kind of funny and also badass I love it like f r is kind of innovative it's like nobody's really doing though yeah it's really unique it's cool yeah which you know every little thing you can do to add personality your band i think you should do it huge yeah it's huge man yeah like it's similar to like how i don't have a kick drum you know like i i did that i did that for a practicality thing we were playing other people's drum sets and i didn't understand triggering yet so like i didn't know how to set the

threshold I needed something consistent and it was kind of like well that's gonna look really stupid well who fucking cares like it's the truth like this is what we're doing like you know and now I get compliments on it all time you know it's like crazy it's probably like the the one thing that I get talked or asked about the most that it's just silly snare yeah yeah the snare did that that legendary snare sure I'm trying to get uh trying to get the guys on the not fucking life is peachy piccolo snare Bro. Dude, that is the best snare. Fuck, yeah.

I want that mid-90s piccolo sound back. You guys gonna have it. That really nice, high-pitched snare. It's intentional, you know, like, we're all, like, big, brutal death fans. And, like, for me, my friend Isaac that I told you about earlier, who played in Him Dale,

he's in a band called Salfurit Cottery. They, like, when I started going to those shows, like, I just, they only mic the snare. They don't mic the kick drum. That's usually you'd see people mic in the kick drum for a basement show. They would mic the snare. And like it was just like, dude, watching those kind of shows, like I just like laugh. I'm just like, I'm so excited.

I'm just like, ha ha. Yeah. You know, so like it was a very influential thing. And also, you know, we all really love like waking the cadaver and like anything that is really extreme. You know, that's what we're trying to kind of bring to the forefront. because I feel like there's kind of a deficit of that. Cocks of all torture. Day everything became nothing.

Yeah. Like, when you listen to, it just like makes you laugh. Echemosis too. Yep, yep. Raw head incinerated. Yeah. Ton. Fucking Ohio band again.

Ton is phenomenal. Dan Gates. Shout out Dan Gates. Sick. For some reason, like a hearing, hearing your band, like you just don't miss the bass. It just works. It's like, it's like your own sound. Stereo bass is a pretty It's a lot. There's a lot of bass too. We're playing two bass. Like we essentially have two bass players

Because we're both doing the pitch shifted things with the split guitar signal Into two bass amps on stage. So we're like times two bass players with two guitar players. I also turn my low end all the way up on both of my amps too. So it's just like Of course you do. Yeah, so it's there. It's there. It's just doesn't you know it doesn't sound like a conventional bass. I We have more low-in than anybody that I've heard. Yeah, truly. But without a bass player. Crazy. I mean, that's another reason why when I mix with Kurt Ballou,

I asked him who we would recommend to master it because I wanted the most low-in we could possibly get because, like, one album that we were really referencing was defeated sanity. The song Into the Soil, What's that album called? Disposal of the Dead? Yeah, Disposal of the Dead. It's like two EP. so much low end so I you know I sent him that record and I was like hey this is what we're going for

and he recommended Alan Dushes I think it's Alan Dushes he has done everything yeah it's like over 3,000 records yeah and also he mastered my favorite converge albums so like the fact that he that Kurt recommended it I was like already sold you know and it turned out fucking amazing and it also happened in five days like when I mix it takes me a little bit longer in that you know what I mean when I'm taking it seriously. And yeah, it was like exactly what we wanted, like that. Damn. Since you're talking about your record,

didn't someone steal your record and try to upload it? They did. They tried to put it on band camp. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Oh, fuck. Yeah, they tried to put it on band camp like the day before we dropped it.

It's like the February 2nd. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we were like, what the fuck? And there was like a name your own price or buy it for $10 or some shit on it too. to sell it yeah but luckily it got like we put them on blast on the internet and our honestly our fans helped us out but reporting it a fuck time you know good yet it's kind of a like kind of a thing that's going on right now like people are trying to steal records and and basically it's crazy i i've had uh someone we did the record with taylor and someone was emailing

the camp him and like our like the allen and saying i it's pretty pretending to be our manager. No way. And then the other one pretending to be me. Say, hey, this is this manager or this guy? I lost the record. Can you send me a link? And what's scary about that shit is,

it's a, for you to know who's mastering the record, you are a part of a small circle. Yo, totally. You're like hearing people talk about what they're doing. And you're like, oh, fuck, I'm going to try and get some sort of gain or attention out of this. Crazy. That's so weird.

Some snake shit. That's abusing, like the. like the sacred part of what you do you know what I mean it's like what the fuck I wonder if leaking records like that is gonna come back it's kind of weird but it is when I found out about that I hear that is an issue with not quite of a few bands people are trying to email

like whoever it's working on your record mixing mastering or or they're just trying to they contact them if it happens fucking Lars Ulrich's gonna be the head of it hopefully he's gonna take down Napster again hey he was right no shit man no shit he was fucking right He was for sure.

That whole situation was fucked up. Yeah. Say what you want about him. He made sure everyone got paid. Oh, yeah. I see lime wire on here, and I'm going to say a funny story about that. When I was a kid, my mom showed me lime wire. Shout out mom.

Damn, she said fuck. Yeah. So I downloaded Kill Switch Engage, Rose of Sharon live at Warp to her, and it was fucking porn. Dude. My mom was pissed. But you were stuck. I was so hyped, but I was like, yo, where's the riffs? Like, I don't hear riffs.

All I hear is, uh. Man. Yeah, you had to kind of watch what you were down on, especially back then you had a PC. You're guaranteed a virus. Oh, for sure. I gave our computers so many viruses. Oh, my goodness, dude. Yeah, I almost hated me in middle of high school.

I feel like we were all on some stupid shit. Imagine, like, raising us as kids. That must have been a task. Yeah. Oh, it was. Shout out moms and dads. for putting up with our bullshit. For real.

Shout out the moms and dads and grandpas were take caretakers. I mean, man, that's someone that's going to eventually be in an artist in some form. It's got to, yeah, you're dealing with a kind of a loose canon. We're all really lucky to have, like, supportive family to, like going back to that, bringing that back to the circle. But yeah, it's like, I don't think there's any shortness of support

and respect from the people that we would love. like to have it from, you know what I mean? Yeah. But we were all little fuckers. Totally. The worst fuckers. I was so horrible. Seriously, I was breaking windows at like,

abandoned buildings as a kid, getting like handcuffed and brought home. Like stupid little shit. I'm not like that anymore. I'm still a little asshole, but. Of course. Picture of Lars in court. So sick. We'll get Mark,

Mike Portnoy right there. Oh, yeah. I almost said Mark Pite in a way. Lars, you were right, man. Shout out to Lars. He's sick. Always being Always being a leader.

He's sick. And he is sick, bro. Look at him. Some of the double bass shit that he pulls off on that, uh, hardwired album's actually kind of tight. Yo, Fray. I've listened to every Metallica record, so. Got it.

Yeah. Well, the bug, I know we got to get back to the venue, but I just want to say that I appreciate the fuck out of your band. It's really refreshing to hear a, uh, a heavy band come up that makes you just feel something. And we were talking about earlier, you guys, you make people feel. And it's really typical to do that when you play heavy shit. And we love you guys. And I think you again for making the drive.

Hell yeah. Of course. We straight up. Yeah. That's been sick. I mean, this day one, we were partying on the bus with you guys. Like, you guys fucking were crowd surfing me on the little bus. Like, we were like, damn, you guys are cool as fuck.

Like that, you know, we've, like, we've toured with other bands where not nearly as cool. You guys are, this is one of my favorite tours I've ever done. Wow. This is my favorite tour. This is straight up my favorite tour as well. You guys are like, every band on this tour is so welcoming and sick and friendly. And like your band is so fucking badass. Appreciate that.

Influential as shit for me as a kid. So like the first. Yeah, for all of us, man. Like the first, the full circle aspect of everything that's going on right now is like, I just can't help but smile. That's all I can do. It's better and fuck. It's better and fuck, dude. It's better and fuck, man.

It's like we're all experiencing, like, the full circle, and now we're actually in the circle. And it's always been, it's always been like that. I still haven't used to it yet. Sometimes when you're in this circle, you're like, wow. It's a good point.

You're like, why am I here? But then there's got to be a reason, you know? You don't got a question to just hang out. You know? I think it's because we all projected it. Totally. This is what you want. Circle pit.

Zombie style. Yeah. Yeah, even like this moment right now, I'm like, I'm like, it's that weird. It's me doing this. So it's like, what? It's like, why am I in a circle right now? That's fucking sweet.

You never do get used to it, you know? It's sweet, dude. I've seen, like, watching your podcast and like Glenn Benton on here and like, dude, like some of the other guests you have on here. I'm like, that's so sick. You just get to like hang out do your thing, interview people that you like enjoy. Sick. Dude, it's a crazy laugh.

You know what? It just hit me this morning and then, and then we'll close it off. I know there's like an interview of Ross Robinson. I found where he's like, dude, I can. get to be in this band for like a month. That's true. I'm in this band. And you know what it hit me today?

Like why I do it? Like, dude, I'm gonna be in the bug for like an hour and a half. I'm like in the band. Hell. You can't really do that anywhere else. Like I'm in the band. I have like I have, I'm gonna have their voices and their whole life experiences

literally going straight into my fucking brain. Yeah. Fuck yeah. The podcast is a unique art of, you know, communication. It is. It is, man. Because, like, you know, without this, like, you know, we've all talked to you a lot on this tour, you know, but like us all five engaging in one conversation with the ADHD does not work.

You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. So this is an opportunity to like, you know, get down. It's awesome. Yeah, this was fucking awesome. It was a pleasure. I'm honored to be a part of the body for an hour and 20 minutes. Pretty sick.

So it's 1134. Yeah. Crazy. overtime yeah what we're uh where people find you guys um we have a website we have a website big cartel that we um sell our leftovers on um we obviously have instagram we have instagram we have a ticot twitter um there's a link tree to all that shit in our instagrams just our bad names thing was so go ball so if you can't find it figure some shit out yes you got google and we will literally be playing

everywhere in the next two years. I see that. You guys aren't stopping. We're not sitting down. No. You can't sit down, man. You can't. You know, die standing.

That's it. All right, everyone, that's it. Thank you. Later. See you.