Garza Podcast - 8: David Sittig | IMPENDING DOOM

Episode Date: April 5, 2021

David Sittig is the bass player for Impending Doom. We talk about the future of being in a band, the legendary Showcase Theatre, and much more. SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB  

And my guest today is the base player for Impending Doom. And Penning Doom and us go way back. They came from like the same town as us. I literally went to high school with some of those members. And me and our guests have been friends for a very long time. We were born in the same hospital, which I didn't really, I don't think I knew until the episode, which was, I mean, so that's how far back. You know, suicide sounds and opinion in doom goes. It's been really cool to see them come from the Island Empire, Crown Town,

Corona, California, and play the same venue that we got our start from, which is Fres and Pieces Showcase Theater, and I'm super proud of them. Anyway, let's get into it. Here we go. David Siddick. Rolling. Rolling. David.

What's up? What's up? What's up, man? Cheers. Cheers. Got my Garza mug. Hell yeah. Well, welcome back.

to California. Thank you. So you've been in Texas for a while, huh? The last, uh, maybe almost six months now probably, five, six months. Wow. Yeah, left California. Man, what, uh, what sparked the move? Uh, I think for a while, even from back in, like, the touring days, we always loved

going to Texas. And, uh, I've always wanted land and more space. Uh, so. me and my wife have talked about it for years like oh it'd be cool one day one day and uh kind of with how 2020 started off and uh especially you know uh we had a baby last year too so those two things uh came into play that were like well maybe this is the year that we do it and uh her parents actually brought it up first they were just like man i want to get out of california so bad but you know we could never leave you or our granddaughter yeah and i overheard them and i was like i would leave in a heartbeat and uh

they're like really i'm like yeah and then the next day we started like looking for fun on zillow at houses and and properties and stuff like that and uh it kind of snowballed and just rapidly we're like oh wow we could really do this and we just just just jumped and went for it. Wow, one day you guys were just talking about it and then next year casually looking at spots. Casually looking at spots and then casually looking at plane tickets to fly out to look at those spots with a realtor and then we only flew out there once and we were there for maybe five days and we looked at about 15 or 16 houses and properties.

And I think maybe the second day we found the one we wanted and everything else after that that we looked at. It was just short and quick. We'd be in the house for five minutes and be like, nah. Or there was even a few that we like pulled up onto the street and we're like, we don't even need to get out of the car. Nope. Wow.

So it happened pretty fast. Yeah, it sounds like you and Jeff knew exactly what you wanted. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I probably just feels right. You know, it's all, yeah, okay. Yeah, and I mean, it obviously helped that, uh, now I live 20 minutes from Brooke.

So he was already out there. So that made it a little easier that we know him and a few other people out there. Yeah. And then, um, uh, yeah. So I'm always up for something new, new challenges or new opportunities. Uh, you know, it's, it's, uh, it's, uh, It's not fun doing the same thing forever. I got to switch it up a little bit.

Yeah. Went for it. You went for it and he did it. Dude, we got to get credit to Brooke. He moved there before everybody. He did. He's been there for eight years now. Everybody.

Brooke has been there for a while. For a long time. Yeah. And the whole time he's been always like, you guys need to move out here. You need to move out here to me and Mani. and for years we're just like, yeah, no, you need to move back to California, bro. And he's always just been adamant about there's no way that's happening.

So, yeah, more recent years, it's been something we've talked about. And last year was the year to do it. Wow. Yeah, how is your family as a whole taking it like you and the wife and your new? You found baby. Like how, how, how does it feel as like a hole? Um, well, her parents moved to Texas too. So.

Yeah. Um. Do they really? Yeah. Yeah. We, they left, uh, two, they moved two weeks before we did. Whoa. Yeah.

So. I didn't know that. Yeah. Well, I mean, they, my wife and her mom are best friends. There's no pulling them apart. are, you know, so if we move to Alaska, they would go. It's not even a question. So when we started talking, we're both on the same page.

Like, yeah, I'd love to go. You know, if we stayed in California, they would have never moved. They need to be near my wife, but also especially now that we have a daughter, they're obsessed with her. So there's, yeah. So, yeah, they left two weeks before we did. And so they're out there. makes it easy. But as far as my parents, you know, they still live here in Corona. But they visit, I mean, we've only been in Texas for five months. And my parents have been there

three or four times in five months. Really? Flying out. So like when we moved there, I drove there with my brother and my dad. And then my mom. my brother's fiance and my wife flew there. Yeah. So, and then we had obviously a moving truck bring all of our stuff. But, uh, uh,

so they were there for that time. Then a month later, they came back out for Christmas. Um, then February was my daughter's first birthday. So they flew all back for that. Sick. And then,

and now we're here in March and we flew back out here. So, uh, it, it, it, it, It sucks that in the sense that you can't hop in your car and drive 20 minutes to go see your brother and your family and stuff like that.

But everybody's making the effort to fly back and forth and see each other. And they love it out there, so they like visiting. And, I mean, I'm always going to love coming back here. All my friends and family. And I was born in Corona. So I'm always down to come back. yeah you're i mean you're from here from here born born at corona regional wow that's so gnarly you were weren't were you too yeah yeah yeah we we were born in the same hospital that's right

and the same age too yeah man i your your mindset to me is fascinating because you know obviously you have like that natural like okay i'm never going to leave corona at some point you were probably you probably had that mindset oh yeah and um And also your transition to really take care of like your family and then making that move. Yeah. It's cool. Things change all the time. If you would have told me this, you know, five years ago, it would mean like, there's no way.

Yeah. There's no way, you know. But yeah, every little thing will change your life drastically, especially a child. But I've noticed that a lot. in the last five years of my life that you think you want one thing forever because you love it so much, but you know, you don't want to ignore the doors of opportunity that open up, you know what I mean? Yeah. Or else you're always just sit back and think, man, what if, what if I did that?

What if I went there? What, where would I be today? And I don't want to be 70 sitting back and, you know, thinking I never tried something new, you know? Yeah. You know, and you're the first one in our kind of tight circle, that experience, you know. Like, when you get, like, that woman involved in your life, it makes you think about life a lot differently. It's, like, a whole, like, 180. Like, like, you can't, like, it's not just you anymore.

Yeah. And now you have, like, another person. Oh, shit. Like, like, things are different now. Yeah. And they push you to be great. That's when you know you have a good one. Yeah.

Totally. They don't let you be lazy and, you know, they push you to do everything that you can, you know. Yeah. And we need that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We definitely need that. Yeah. Without, you know, women or, you know, if it's just your guy friends, we don't need much. We need a roof over our head that, you know, we don't care what it looks like or whatever. We have good wine and some guitars and that's it.

We don't need a fancy kitchen or, you know. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah, you don't need like a little condo with a pool table and a bunch of vodka somewhere. You know something a little bit more substance. You know the old apartment that I had 10 years ago. That was perfect for guys forever. Hey, the carpet was stained.

You know, it was white carpet and it was black by the time we moved out. That's fine. Yeah. It's carpet, right? Dude, we were hanging out at your pad and like leave around 2 a.m. I'm always go to like that open like burrito spot. Yeah. And that's why I got fat.

That, I think everybody gained some weight at that time. That would just be like a normal, like Tuesday, Wednesday. That wasn't like Friday nights. Yeah, I was like, oh, it's hanging out. That was Tuesday. It's fine. Perfect.

Yeah. That's a cool part about being a touring musician is when you're full-time touring, when you're home, every day is essentially Friday. There's no, you know. Yeah. never understood that when we toured, you know, nine months out of the year, when you'd hear people like, oh, Monday, I hate Mondays, you know, Monday to me was just another Friday. Yeah.

I get it now. Yeah. But back then. And same thing with vacation, too. Like, I realized when I was younger, I took for granted all the cool places that the band took me and the places we got to perform because I would see people who weren't, you know, musicians or didn't get the tour or anything like wait all year

or two years or three years to go on that vacation and they saved up and they're going and it's going to be the most fun week ever and I never looked at those things as like big oh my gosh I can't wait for the entire year for that thing to happen because we

always got to go and do that stuff like you guys have played in you know you guys have played Hawaii too right yeah Hawaii Costa Rica Puerto Rico like we would fly there and play there and it was cool to vacation but we're there to play too and um i just feel like when i was younger i took that a little for granted to be like this is not normal you know what i mean like you're you're very blessed and that you get to go to all these

cool places all year long that people wait five 10 years to maybe go once in their life to europe or whatever you know yeah yeah yeah it sucks when we're like We're just younger. We just take it for granted, you know. It's tough to know back then. All we have is what we have now. And then you look back and like, fuck, I was like just doing that. Yeah.

I mean, like, should have been made a little bit more in, like, in the moment. Yeah. I remember when I graduated from high school and we were going off on our first full U.S. tour, my dad took me to Best Buy and bought me like this digital camera. and he's like, you need to, you know, take pictures of everywhere you go. Take pictures everywhere you go. You know, I mean, back then we didn't have cell phones with crazy cameras or anything like that. Yeah.

And he's like, take pictures of everything. You're going to want them one day. Yeah. And I didn't take pictures of anything, at least out here. Maybe in like Europe the first time I went there, I took some photos. But my mindset was, I don't need to do that now. I'll be back next month or I'll be back in six months or I'll do that next year. Oh, sucks.

I have that mindset. Yeah. Or like all the times sitting in the green room, you know, drinking beers, just hanging out and not like going out on the town and seeing like, you know, the culture and history of whatever country you're in. Because I always just thought, well, this isn't the only time we're coming here. We'll be back. I'll do it next time. Do it next time. Yeah, I know.

I know. Man, sucks. Well, at least now, you know, when you guys. uh we maybe when when torrent comes back to the full capacity when you guys go anywhere now he you have that that uh you have the experience and know how okay when we go here this is like we're going here holy holy shit this is crazy yeah well we get we get to go somewhere and travel and and i even play like a show yeah you know and it's paid for and even more all like these things that are like whoa that's like all these things are really really special yeah you know

Sure. Yeah, I always look back at moments and try to like, do you ever try to like kind of maybe sometimes re-create moments? I'm like, man, like back then, at that moment, I was not present and I wish I was more there. It was such a cool moment. I was just like, I was kind of going about it. Yeah. You know, try to sit there and I really think about it and process. And sometimes, you know, it takes years of process to that moment. Like, man, I didn't even thought about that for like a while. Yeah. That was crazy. Yeah, well, I mean, because when our bands first started touring, we were kids, technically. You know what I mean? We got signed when I was still in high school. Yeah. I drove my mom's Volvo to Face Down Records, which they were located in Fallbrook at the time they had a facility there. Yeah. We drove my mom's Volvo, I remember, and all the guys in the band, and Manny was the only one

wasn't he was under 18 so me and brooke were 18 manny was manny might have been 16 so he had to before we went down there he had to have his dad sign for him that it's okay for him to sign the record deal because he couldn't sign it being under 18 so we all went down there we all signed we all took photos and i remember that rush driving home like were signed like yeah like like You know, not knowing what the future is going to bring were, you know, the next day I went to school, but like I had a record deal. Wow. So that was cool. You went to school like that.

I went to school like that, yeah. Fuck. It was, it was towards the end of our senior year. I think we got signed and it might be off, but maybe in like May. And, you know, we graduated in June or whatever. So there wasn't much of senior year left, but. the end of senior year, yeah, I was walking around school like, this is cool, I'm signed, and we're going on tour this summer.

Dude. Yeah. My gosh, you got signed in high school. In high school. We didn't, and thankfully we signed to Face Down Records because, I mean, they're, you know, not knocking any other labels or whatever, but Face Down being a Christian label, they, They just have, they have a 50-50 deal with all their artists.

So, uh, because we would have signed anything. We're kids. You could have put in the fine print like you will get 1%, uh, you know, whatever. We would assign that, you know, and he was, he was so good to us, uh, you know, the first, we did three albums with them. He was always so good to us. Um, and, uh, yeah, you could have taken advantage of some kids at that age. We would have signed anything.

My gosh, you guys got so lucky. Yeah. All the labels you guys went to, you guys went with FaceTime, I took care of you. And also, like, that, that fit, as we even know now when we get older with the way things are paning out, and it haven't paned out over the decade, like, that 50-50 deal is massive. It's massive because it, a standard label, a major label or indie labels or whatever, because we've been on two labels. So we're on E1 now.

And this isn't a bad deal with E1 at all. this is standard. They're not screwing us by any mean. What all artists pretty much get is like you're looking at like 13% when you sign. So it's like. Yeah. And that's, you know, you can have your thoughts on. Split six ways.

Yeah, exactly. So, so that's the standard. So, and we knew that when we were older, when we signed over to E1, we knew like, hey, like, this is a bigger label. They'll give you better, bigger opportunity. that FaceDown couldn't. But, you know, going into this area of the industry, like this is what standard is.

50-50 deals is not standard. And we knew that, accepted that, and it's cool. E-1's been great to us, too. Nice. But I just, I can't ever, and I've told Jason the owner of FaceDown many times, like, I can't thank you enough for, like,

just being a solid guy. Because that, you know, when people are that young, you know. You just signed your life away. Yeah, dude. They could have taken, like, advantage of you. For sure.

You know. And he didn't want to sign us at first. Like, uh, um, because we just had this demo and it sounded horrible. And, uh,

I like that demo. A lot of people like the demo. If you're a diehard fan, you like the demo. I liked the demo. You know, I was in the band, but,

uh, but like when you, at the time, there wasn't a lot of bands with that sound, especially like how Brooke really, really laid into pig squealing and all that stuff on that, you know, EP. And there wasn't a lot of out there.

So when, from what I have heard, when the owner faced down, Jason, when he heard it, he wasn't, like, convinced. Maybe he didn't hate it, but he wasn't convinced on, like, how the EP sounded. So he said, I'm going to come out to a show. And so we knew he was going to be at, we played this show in Chino at this church and packed wall to wall. When we went on, everyone was just going nuts. And when he left, he contacted us the next day or whatever.

He's like, I'm signing you based off of your show. Like what I saw that day. Like I see something in you guys. So he gave us that opportunity. He saw something in us. Wow. It panned out. So, yeah, we can't thank him enough.

That's great. Shout out, man. Shout up for sure. It's a good guy. Solid guy, man. Especially, man. Back then, I was a starting Monday, I'd been on like this pending doom kick. So a little tip I got from John Lennon, like towards the end of his career, he, he, uh, he mentioned that he would, he put all of his records on from start to finish and listen to a whole, like, so I did that with us.

I'm like, oh, that's, it's so crazy to hear like the, like this, like, like you growing. So for the first time, I did it with someone else. I did it with you guys. So I listened to the first, like a couple songs in the first record and the second, like,

in order, it's weird like hearing like a progression. It's like, damn, like the same guys is like, same bands growing and growing. It's cool. Yeah.

Yeah. It's super badass. Yeah, we always tried to, to change it up a little bit without changing too much, you know, you got to,

you got to write with, you're the artist, you got to write what you, want to write and then of course everyone always wants to keep their fans in mind on well we know you know you know from writing songs you you know when you write a song and you're like the fans will like this and then you know when you write a song we're like this could be huge or maybe they won't like it you know and you have to you have to take that risk and try some of those things i mean because with us i mean we've said in multiple interviews especially brook is super vocal about it we we're not huge fans of

our album there will be violent it just wasn't, it's not our favorite. So Brooke absolutely hates it. And he, you know, refuses to pretty much play anything on that record. But we had to try it, you know. At the time, we were stoked on things and, you know, but keep pushing, keep progressing from there, you know. Yeah.

Even though you guys, you know, I know that feeling when like, like you put out a record and like the fans love it, but like over habit bands like not stoked at all. Oh yeah. Like super not stoked. But you kind of have to like, but what's cool about that and you guys already proved that, your record after that,

which was baptized, right? You hear like a big step because when you put a record that you're not stoked on, you guys all kind of probably, I assume guys all like, we need to do something else. Like we want to fucking do. It ends up being heavier and like the whole,

like the elements come together better, you know? Yeah, that record, up the lot of stuff for us, especially, yeah, murder and deceiver. So sick. Yeah, I mean, those are two of my favorite songs to play live. They're fun to play. I mean, you know, it's rad when you can have a song that you,

you like the song, listening to it. I like this song. It sounds great, but it's hard to play. Or, you know, live, it's not as fun to rock out to or whatever. Those two songs are, are, are, I want to say that easy, but they're just like, they were meant to be played live. So they're so fun to play live.

There's nothing like too technical, but it's just all groove. So, you know, they're two of our most popular songs, so everyone likes it, and they're so fun to play live. So, yeah, those sounds fun. Yeah, they're fun.

You know, and Brooke was already like, man, especially going like, it's going back. It's like, damn, Brooks, he's fucking pissed. I love it, dude. He sounds tough. Well, we went with the machine. And then, On this record, he went with, you guys went with him.

I'm like, oh, he, and he brought out another something. Yeah. Sick. See, we went with Machine because of Lamb of God. They used Machine for Sacrament, and I think Ashes of the Wake, too? Ashes, yeah. Yeah, okay. Sacrament was huge.

I love that record. And then you guys went with Machine for No Time to Bleed, right? Yeah. Okay, so you guys did No Time to Bleed. Right after that, we did. baptized in filth. I believe that's how the timeline went. So at the time when we were writing baptized in filth, all I was listening to was sacrament. Love that record. The DVD that they, that Lamb of God put out that shows them making it with Machine and all the stuff. I was like,

man, it would be so cool to work with Machine. Like I liked how Machine made Randy run around the building and then run inside and grab the mic and do the take and that's the one that they kept. I was like, that's so cool. And then when I saw you guys recorded, with them. I was like, man, we probably, like, he probably wouldn't want to track us or, you know, maybe he's too much money or something, but, you know, it never hurts to try, you know, and that's when we went over to E1, budgets got bigger, a little more opportunity was available. We reached out. Machine was like, yeah, let's go. And I was like, we're going with Machine. Fuck, yeah. And, uh, yeah, I think with that record, uh, you can definitely tell that a lot of things

were stars were aligning. We were really focused as a band with the songwriting but also with machine,

you know, adding his finesse to everything really, it's what made that record one of our favorites, for sure.

Great. Yeah. Unfortunately, what it takes to do that record is the one prior, you know? Yeah. For sure.

It sucks, but it's just how it is. Yeah. Yeah, how did, did Brooke Man, anything what he lacked about working with him?

That machine would be like, like Brooke would be doing his takes and machine would be like literally a foot or two from him yelling like not vocally but like in his face doing the, you know, machine knew all the lyrics and knew the patterns that Brooke is supposed to be saying at this time. So machine would be doing it too like in his face.

And you know, you just, you don't see that or pick up on that, but he's right there just grinding, Brooke like sick yeah so dude it's so sick I would uh I would go to the bathroom and I'm walking through the hall when Mitch was tracking like you can hear machine screaming at Mitch yeah yelling I'm like what the freak is going on in there yeah it's cool my bet I'm I bet I bet I bet brook had a great time dude he did he did he had a great machine was great and then when the record was when we were finished tracking machine had us over at his house

with his family for a big barbecue and everything and I'm like still like we're at machines house yeah like not just his studio but his house like it's cool he's having us over and he's so cool and we're talking about you know all the records he's done that we're fans of and it was a real surreal moment we were stoked yeah one of those moments yeah you know because we we both watched that that DVD you know seeing like let me got at his house but I don't run on fire like Dang, I want to be there. Yeah. You did it.

Yeah, and then we were there. It's great. Same building. It's crazy. They're like throwing fire. After John was done, track you'd bass, they're throwing fireworks out the window and everything.

And I'm like, when we got to the studio, I'm looking out. I'm like, yeah, that's where they were doing that and that. It's cool. A lot of bands went through there. Yeah. Super cool, man.

What a privilege, man. Shout out to him. Machine is a very pure guy. And he has a really unique vision, you know, and if you're a band that's wanting to take that leap, it's special, man. Yeah. You know? Yeah. He's special in his own way and really added, you know, a lot to, you know,

lament God to you guys, to us, really add a whole new element. And it takes, like, you know, a semi-crazy man to, to fucking do. He's crazy. He is crazy. Yeah. But, but in a great way. In a great way. You got to be. You got to be a little bit, you know. I miss that. You know, having a guy, like, in your face or, like, in a singer's face, like, bringing something out. Yeah.

So cool, man. It's special. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder what he's... Is he still doing records? He's in Texas. He's in Texas? Yeah.

Hit him up. Hit him up. I will. I'm coming over, machine. Yeah. Neighbors. Yeah. I'm not going to say, I know.

I mean, probably around Austin area, I assume. Well, that's the area I'm near. You know? I think he's been there for a couple years. I mean, if you follow him on Instagram, he's posting some videos, tracking bands and like... Nice. You're in the virtual world now. It's pretty cool.

Well, we might need to revisit that. Yeah. All right, cool. All right, so I heard something. Remember when you were here last time, we were talking about over where I Starbucks here drinking a coffee and talking about, like, the future music, which we tend to do a lot. Yeah. And I overheard something that you're building something at your house. I'm building what you have.

Let's talk about it. Yeah, so that was part of the thing when we wanted to move to Texas. We wanted land. So we have two and a half acres, so there's a lot of room to do whatever you want. So having a building built. that is essentially going to be the rehearsal space for the band studio to track all future, you know, records, EPs, singles, stuff like that. Being Brooke want to do a little podcast or, you know, a lot of streaming.

Like, we want to do, you know, virtual concerts. It's kind of like what you guys did, but not as like big, you know, where you guys, you guys went all out. Yours looked like a giant concert, you know? I'm thinking more like, uh, wanting to just post on like, hey, this day,

here's the tickets for this. We're doing nailed dead risen front to back. And like, we'll have it done up nice, like how you have your studios nice. You know what I mean? Have it done up like that. But I mean, uh, not going to be like how some of these bigger artists are doing their

virtual concerts. All the lights and all the, you know, we're kind of thinking more, you know, more homey vibe to it. But people will love that. Yeah. And we want to connect more with the fans on engage on a more personal level and do more intimate, like one-off cool stuff, you know, play an album front to back that we've never done. You know, we got a bunch of them. We could do all of them. We could do a mixture. We can do, hey, we're hopping on tomorrow. Uh, you know, you know, know, hop on to, you know, if we start a Patreon or something like that, like members hop on, we're going to do corn covers for an hour, Slib Knock, you know, whatever. Like, you can just do whatever you want.

If it's in, if it's on your property, I have all the band's gear out there. I moved it all out there when he moved is just sitting in my garage right now. So, uh, we got to fly Manny out, fly Andrew out. Uh, you know, we want to invest in a bunch of the cameras and, and try to do a lot of cool stuff, you know. Dude, that is, that's where I'm at. You guys are doing exactly what I want to see a band do. Like, do it yourself, man, and do it right, you know?

Yeah. So, yeah, that's the goal. We've done our own merch for a couple years now. So, you know, incorporating that with it, the more you can do on your own, I feel like is fans like that too. Like, you know, they get a piece of merch that they order it and they're like, you know, Garza actually package this.

Yeah. Or he wrote on the receipt, the packing slip. Like, you know, thanks. Michael, like, you actually write the guy's name out. Like, thanks, Michael. Really appreciate it. You know, sign it. Like, you know, it takes a little more effort.

But, like, you know, like, imagine if Monkey did that to you. You would be like, that thing would be framed right there. You'd be like, oh, my gosh. You know what I mean? Is that like a FedEx piece of cardboard right there? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Monkey wrote me. Like, it's staying there. Like, you know, I think it's great, yeah. There's a lot of people that look up to our band and your band. And I think fans would rather give their hard-earned money straight direct to the bands that they want to support too, other than, you know, other middle companies that take some for themselves, which, I mean, that's what a company has to do that. They got to, you know, they're doing the work.

They've got to take whatever they're doing. but if a band can, if you have the time and the resources to do some stuff yourself, now's the time. Now's the time, man. Fans are supporting, and it gets the musicians to be able to create more, like, you know, do whatever you want. That's the goal. Yeah, do whatever you guys want, man.

There's no rules. Yeah. You know, there's no more rule book. You know, there is no more part of never will be. be no more one way again. Yeah. There is no one way. There's, now we have multiple ways.

Yeah. And we have ways that are even discovered yet. Yeah. You know, and, uh, and also, uh, even, uh, building your own way. Yeah. Yeah. There's just, I mean, there's really any of the, you, you could do anything. I love how you guys are also doing that during the pandemic.

It's huge. Yeah. And so, uh, if you guys, you got to do something. Yeah. I mean, I think that's this whole thing. definitely woke a lot of people up on like, we got to do more than just this. What else can we do?

And so yeah, I mean, I can't wait for live concerts to come back because there's nothing that beats that. But to me, that's just another, that's just a piece of the puzzle at this point where before I was looking at it, like, that's everything. Concerts, recording an album, that's the whole picture.

It's like, well, why doesn't the concert just be like one of ten pieces of the puzzle? Like, let's do this, this, this, this, and this and this. And I mean, we don't play concerts that often anyway. So it's like, we have all this time and let's make it more of an event. And, you know, we all love playing music. So the more we do, we're fulfilling all of our needs as musicians and, you know, our passions.

And yeah, so that's a goal. Just no rules. Do whatever you want. If people don't like it, then they won't subscribe to it or pay into it or, you know, it's not for them. Cool. There's a lot of people it is that will be into it. Yeah.

And you'll learn too. You'll, you know, I'm sure as you've noticed with doing your podcast, like this episode, from your first episode, like you've probably learned how to just run the whole thing differently. Like each time, like, oh, I learn this, this, this. Like, every time it's getting better and better and better. And that's how it is with anything. songwriting Absolutely Whatever you know

Yeah I think people get too caught up with They want to see the whole staircase If you see the next step Take it, that's it Yeah And then the next one will come And then so on

So just taking like You guys already did it You guys already did it You took the step You guys are You have committed To Building in a room

That you guys could Build something from You know And it could evolve into Whatever But at least now You guys will be ready Yeah

You know Yeah It's great guys are committed you guys committed onto that first step and uh i'm sure for you guys i'm you guys will probably there's a try stuff and then you'll learn and then things are just just like to happen yeah you know way way way badass you learn you learn so much to just try doing it yeah yeah i'll try i'll try this i'll try that oh wait oh i like this i don't like that and then you just keep just keep going you'll never know if you don't try you don't know that's that's the motto for everything in life yeah

you know yeah you gotta but also you're creating opportunities for yourself yeah yeah yeah the beauty the beauty of all of that is you're really taking control of your career yeah in building that that's great yeah yeah absolutely that's the goal man we're excited do i'm i'm excited for you guys you're actually doing it yeah we just need manny to move out there he was he was doing he was this close uh i thought he was going to be out there before me I think we'll still get him out there. I really do. I think we'll get him.

I think we'll get him. Come on, Mani. Yeah, I think once a building's built, I think once we start things rolling, he comes out a few times, this and that. Mani likes adventure. Yeah, man. He just bought a boat. He can bring his boat to Texas. There's lots of lakes in Texas.

He could go out there in Texas being little boat boy. He's going to be sick. He's got a boat. That man loves to fish. Does he? He loves to fish. I see that. That's all his Instagram is.

Fish is it every day. He's good at it too. He's really good at it. But hey man, there's bass in Texas. So let's go. Yeah. Let's go, mani. How far is like the nearest like fishing area out there in Texas?

For me? Yeah, from five minutes. There's lakes everywhere. Are you serious? Massive lakes, yeah. What? I never knew that. Yeah, we got, you know, here Corona Lake.

Like these lakes in Texas are blue, not brown and green. and they're massive. I mean, I can only knock it because I lived in Lake Elsinor for so long, and Lake Elsinor, I mean, come on. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, no, yeah, they're all over.

That's sick, man. Yeah. Hoping takes the leap at some point, but we'll hopefully make the transition easy for them. So the goal renown is get that building built and get some of these things lined up and let's start putting stuff out there. See what happens. Man, I'm pumped. That's dope.

I think... You're going to have to come out and jam. Hell yeah. Absolutely. Way down, man. You guys, once again... Jam some corn. We got everything out.

You know, once it's all set up, like I said, I got all the gear out there. You fly with your guitar, and that's all you need. Dude, yeah, do like a one-off stream. One-off stream. A guard is coming out before one stream, and that's it. We get, yeah. We could fly B-town out, and the three of us can do the corn covers that we did, Maybe 15 years ago.

I wish I saved those, man. Yeah, they're on like a, they're on a laptop somewhere at, you know, six feet in the ground at the dump somewhere. Do you still have them? No, I don't have them. B-Town has to have them. Maybe, maybe, maybe B-Town does. I know what computer would have had them, and that computer died a long time ago. Oh, man.

I don't know if I threw the computer away, but if I had it, it wouldn't turn on. It's dead. Yeah, like, it was. Yeah, it was like 15 years ago, like, you, me and B-Town were in his room. I mean, we started playing corn covers. Yeah. And we tracked it, demo form. And then I actually saved stuff like that.

I'm very surprised. It was heavy, too. It was heavy. It was heavy because we were, we were jamming, you know, the first couple record, the first couple of corn records where when you listen to those it's not like seeing them live live they're insanely heavy those old records

like you know there's not tons and tons of bass on it but I remember when we tracked here it was heavy oh yeah it was heavy yeah it was fun they're probably those same speakers those Yamaha speakers is cranking them cranking them

I think we did blind right blind and good guy And good God. Yeah, good God. I don't find those. Maybe. Me too? I don't know. Need to?

I think it was need to. Yeah, maybe so. It's one of my favorite corn songs, Neatoo. Yeah, you had, I remember the first time I came here was to jam corn. Yeah. Solely, yeah. Yeah. We weren't even friends.

Like, we were becoming friends. Yeah. The first time I ever came here was to jam corn. to jam corn. And I remember coming in, I brought all my gear, my 8, 10, all my pedals,

everything. Yeah. And the first thing I remember is seeing your pedal, it wasn't on a board, it was just on the ground, but your pedals, it was almost like in a rainbow shape.

And you had every effect for all the corn sounds. Yeah. All the weird little sounds, you had something for it. But you had it, you had to have had at least, at least,

15 pedals plus in that chain. Yeah. And I was like, what is going to happen right now? And then you... Let's go. It sounded like the record. You were playing it. I was like, okay. He takes his corn seriously. Oh, yeah, man.

Oh, yeah. I love, like, I'm fascinating with those little sounds they do. Like, the little, like, phasers and, like, proto-biby stuff. Like, when you nail it, you're like, yes. Yeah. And they have that. That's their sound. Like, you...

Nobody else has... sound and it's like yeah like you said it's phasers and like a couple of the things it's not something that like only they have but anytime you hear something that's similar to that it just is that's corin yeah like i keep thinking every time i watch ufc there's like a ufc uh um sound clip in the back that they use on all the payper views and it sounds like corn is playing it's it's oh the band's called stem oh see you know exactly what i'm talking about i don't know i actually know how to play this song too. Yeah.

It has that sound the first time you hear it like you know it's not corn but you hear it and go that sounds like corn. That's that sound. Yeah, it's drop A. Dona no no no no no no

no no no no no no yeah. I was like who is that? I found it about STEM. Yeah just if you it's tough when you're it's tough when you're in A and you're playing a heavy stuff you gotta be really careful

because sometimes like the corn just would just come out dude comes out or something especially again what what you're saying is like if you're messing around with like effects like oh that's just corn

yeah and you're like you could be playing a completely different style or riff or a completely different effect but just it I don't know why it's like oh that sounds like it sounds like corn yeah it's A is the best though it is love I love A we've experimented in other tunings

and it sounds cool on recording you can pull it off but I hate hate with a passion playing anything lower than A live. I'm a tone junkie. I love good sounding tone. I'm always searching for it.

Yeah. I can't get G to sound good. And anything lower than that, I play in the same octave as the guitars, like how my sugar will do. Yeah. It's cool, but then it's not super heavy. So it's like A is that perfect balance.

The tension's good. The tone's great. Anything lower than that, I'm just dreading. It's tough. on recording is a different story. Like, murderer, all baptized in filth is in G. Yeah. I think maybe there's one or two songs in A.

But we play all those songs in A live. Oh, really? Yeah, we don't play them in G. Oh, wow. It doesn't sound good. It sounds too muddy, and I, I'm very, I complain a lot if I'm like, dude, my bass does not, like, it will sound so much better in A, to the point I do not want to play these songs.

We're not playing them in G, so we don't. Wow. We play one song in G that I have not been able to win the battle on Manny on. And that's off our previous record, the song War Music. It's recorded in G. We play it in G. It's the only song we play in G. And it bums me out every time I play it.

I'm like, I don't even want to play the song. It's a good song. Let's play it in A. It's just muddy or what's? Yeah. And just, especially with bass, you're already an octave lower than guitars. If your tension is floppy, it is so hard to get a good tone. It just is the tighter the tension is.

That's why everyone's using all the fan fret, extended scale, bases and all the stuff, because it adds, it gives you that tension. You can tune lower and it sounds good. Yeah. But I don't play those. Yeah. And I don't want to. Yeah.

I play music, man. They sound better than any other bass I've ever played. Yeah. Clean. Yeah, so A, A. So the new EP, it's all in A. Oh, great. Yeah, cool.

So there's not going to be any arguments. You guys, you guys brought it back. Brought it back. Yeah. Yeah, just, I mean, I could be biased, but, you know, my favorite record from you guys is a servant servant, and obviously, you know what my favorite song is. Anything goes. Yeah. And that's, that's drop A.

Weren't you supposed to play that with us one time? Yeah, there's something that happened like, well, you guys were playing Glasshouse or something. I don't know what the freak happened, dude. But I don't know what, what happened? I don't know. I know what happened. What happened? Maybe we could talk about off pod.

But it involved a member of your band with a slightly, your ego involved. So I was like, I kind of stepped out. I was even trying to, like, do, like, stuff for, like, for records. I was trying to, like, do, like, some, like, corn stuff on, like, your records. Remember that? I think I was trying to, like, do, like, a track or something. I was like, let me do, like, a leader or something.

Oh, I, vaguely. I remember talking about it. What record was that for? quick uh might have been the one after anything goes I mean

there'll be violence might have been yeah we recorded it in San Diego so that's kind of close maybe I mean I I mean that

that whole time's a blur I mean yeah it's uh well we need to we need to bring that idea back and you need to play anything goes with us

I'm down man but the thing you want to play the lead I think and the lead is a backing track well for that show it won't be it won't be

All right, cool. Yeah, how he's sick of like the one show. You got the effects. Just make it sound like corn, dude. And you got the gig. Oh, that's easy. Yeah. I want half the stage your pedals.

The whole band will be on the left side, and then you get the whole right side of yourself. It's like, I need a whole crew to just find pedals. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That sounds good. Let's do it. That would be a cool idea.

Man, the glass house. I'd love to play there again. Yeah. It's great. Last time you guys play there was a Faceon Fest, right? Yeah, maybe so. That was like 2016 and maybe.

That long ago? Yeah, a long time ago. No. Yeah. Maybe 17. I remember going to that. Yeah, we've been friends for a long time. When we say it like, oh man, we jammed corn 15 years ago, I'm like, 15 years ago, what?

Oh yeah, when you say something with a time frame, oh, wow, what is that long ago? Yeah. It's crazy. A fucking time and it's fly. by man yeah it definitely doesn't feel that way yeah some of some of my favorite shows were at glass yeah yeah and seen some sick bands there too yeah go jura i saw gojira there oh wow that's sick especially playing there like uh it's very like it's special when there's like a venue that just

kind of has that thing on all fronts it's like the shows are great the stage is great great. The vibe's there. The layout's great. The backstage is great. The family comes out. It's very rare that the venue kind of hits all those fronts. Yeah. And a glass house is definitely one of those places. You go like that the backstage area is like multiple rooms. It's big. Multiple rooms. It's right out. It's great. It's massive, especially when we're talking to hometown show. Yeah. You know, like all your friends come out and your family and like cousin you ever met before come out and like. And there's tons of room on stage too. So I've, yeah, yeah, always like the family always came up on the side of the stage.

Had my wife on the side of the stage of Glass House multiple times. Bring my parents up there. Yeah. It's good times. It's a great venue, man. Great venue. And then you have a, you know, chain reaction. Chain reaction. Which was great.

Different vibe. Totally equally as great. Just different vibe. Like Glass House, you got more room, bigger, bigger venue. Get more people. people in there. You've got more space, like you're saying, in the back room. And then chain reaction's like, all right, we're going to party.

We're going to, it's going to be sweaty. Yeah. And we're going to be this close to all the fans. And it's going to be hot. The walls sweat at chain reaction. They do, man. And it's great. Sweaty walls.

Yeah. And they have all, like, the band teachers on the walls. So sick. Yeah. Yeah. So last time we played there was. was with you guys, which was probably the last time you played there too.

Yeah. Yeah, so I was looking because I hadn't been there in five plus years or whatever, and we have at least two impending Doom shirts on the wall there. So I was looking for them, like, they're still here. Like, they don't switch them out or whatever. And, you know, it's cool. Old ones, super old. Yeah, suicide silence ones.

Like, there's just so much history there. There is, man, it took us. man so long to play a show together took forever to play we've only played one show together yeah we're like when's it gonna happen I know that took years but the stars

and it almost kind of didn't happen this time too because we had we had a show already confirmed that at Glasshouse for December oh yeah I forgot about that that was confirmed first and then we had to get their permission

and I think they were cool with it if you didn't announce our name until a certain time or something yeah something where it happened but then it ended up being like we need to do one or the other and it was like we're doing chain like so sick we have to do this yeah we can't go you know and then the pandemic kit so we could be sitting here right now going will we ever play together maybe maybe not wow we did it and zimmer was there yeah the whole the whole the whole crew was there. Yeah, the,

the trifecta was, was there, and at the time, Zimmer was playing guitar for the mental hall experience, which they're still going, and they're about to drop a new record at sick, and just so we're all,

I mean, then we're talking with Zimmer, and when we're all gonna play together? The fact that just, it all happened was special, man. Yeah. Well, because we talked about it for years, years, in this room,

listening to music, hanging out, going out, we're just like yeah we what are we gonna do this we're all like best friends and we're all in

bands from the area like why haven't we played together I know it's it's unfortunate how hard it is to make stuff like that happen it's very difficult and a lot of people don't understand you know why don't you come here on tour

you know what I mean why don't you come to my town why don't you come here it's like it's not like as easy as just saying telling the booking agency we want to go to here, here, here, here, here on, it has to all line up during the week and everything, here, here,

and then makes sense with the route and the guarantees and everything lining up, like, it's pretty impossible. Yeah, it's, it is, man. You go where the offers come and you try to align them up to make sense. And, uh, yeah, I remember our first couple tours were just, we drive 12 hours here, then drive eight hours back that way to go to this show. then 14 hours that way and then like it didn't line up. Yeah.

Now it's a lot easier. It's like you start here, California, Arizona, New Mexico Tech. You know, you wave up. Yeah. At first, no. I mean, the first time we went on a U.S. tour, we weren't, uh, bands like our bands didn't play, you know, the national in, in, uh, Virginia or all the house of blues, you know what I mean?

Like, yeah, we weren't, we all weren't. No, we were playing. VFW halls and small venues where I remember our first tour was with Whitechapel. Us Whitechapel is one of their first tours. Shout out, Whitechapel. Shout out to Whitechapel. Great cats, man. Yeah, came up at the literally at the exact same time.

So our first few tours were with Whitechapel playing nothing but VFW halls. And I remember telling Alex and all the guys like, just wait until we get the showcase. Because showcase was like on the tail end of the tour. and like Showcase is a real venue. A legit sound system. The capacity is 300, but 850 people will be there. It will be insane. And I remember seeing their reactions after the first time they played there with us.

They're just like, dude, like this is the show of the tour. Like, this is insane. You know what I mean? There was something special there with Showcase. And legitimately, that was like the pinnacle of like venue. at the time when we all started. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, for a long time.

Yeah, if you had a tour booked and showcase was in your routing, all you did was look forward to to showcase. Yeah. Even like bands like East Coast, like, you know, you did exactly what we would do, like, wait until you get to showcase. No matter where you were in a country, do, you're like, wait until you get there. Yeah. It was like your fucking pinnacle, man.

It's a special place, and I'm very spoiled. And I was just down the street. right here. Yeah. We grew up there. I'd go there and I didn't know who was playing. Yeah. I'd just be sitting on the railing talking to people. Yeah. Who's playing tonight? Oh, it's a bunch of scaw bands. I don't know. I'm just going to hang out outside and there's a bunch of my friends. We all hang out. You know, Izzat would always let me in. We bought our first like couple vans from Isat. Yeah, yeah. Because he had, he had a bunch of vans that he rented out or sold to bands. Yeah. He had, uh, he's a good guy

man I haven't talked to that guy in forever but he he sold us our first van and once we bought that I mean I never asked to get in free but I don't think after that that once I got to know him I ever paid for a show at Showcase he was always come on in you know thanks for the support and I mean they didn't

I don't think that they they needed it for a while because they got away so long with like the capacity you know, the fire law rule being low. Yeah. Everyone always showed up. Yeah. You know what I mean?

That place was getting tickets sold and everybody showed up. And it was a sad day when they had to close down. The city like pressured it, right? Yeah. I mean, whenever you hear like kind of the backstory is like kind of, yeah, maybe people in the city that work. And maybe it had something to do with that. I heard they were like just looking for something to shut that place down.

It's like looking for any like small things, you know, right or wrong. All you did they go, they'll tack it on Showcase. Yeah. You know, without really knowing like what it represents you. Because I mean, too, I'm, if you're not, if you don't go to Showcase, you don't understand it at all. Yeah. And you're going to get the opposite reaction and probably try to shut it down. Yeah.

Oh, you know, like what all like these, you know, metal people or, uh, or could be punkers, could be scog, all the genres play there. So from the outsider, it probably looks like, you know, like we need to shut that down. Yeah. So anything that the city can do, they would put it on Showcase. And it was so cool, like, man,

again, one of those things you just take for granted, being able to go to a venue, just hang outside. You hang out by, like, let the rails all lit up. Like, everyone's walking in an house. It's like such a cool vibe, man. Yeah. That is a good vibe. Oh, never happened again. No.

sucks. No. Yeah, there's, it never recovered out here. The scene was strong out here. You can just count on like, your playing showcase. Like,

there's going to be 800 people there. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's just what's going to happen. And there was always insane. And when you think about it like now, from like, like a venue standpoint,

all the great venues you've played and this and that, like when you actually look back, like it was the vibe and the people and the atmosphere of showcase that made it great. Because when you literally break down every little thing, like, if you're going to nitpick,

like, the stage was the worst shape. Like, it was tiny and it was like round. The worst. Yeah. And then there's, yeah,

and in the corner and then you put all the drums up. Like, like the setup was not like, like nowadays what you would think going to venues. You're just like, oh, this setup's great. The green rooms are right here. You walk right past the curtain,

right onto the stage. stage, big, long, enormous stage, and, you know, AC pumping and all this. Yeah. But it's like somehow just with the vibe, the people, the atmosphere, like, showcase is still better. I know. With the weird stage and the weird... Nothing makes sense. Nothing made sense, but it made sense.

Yeah. So weird the way the stage was. You're right. There's everything. Like, nothing. And we look back now with all the venues you've seen and like the speaker systems, both small and on a big level. the way showcase had their speaker set up makes

no fucking sense it should sound like I mean I'm not gonna use intelligent words it should sound like shit but the way it is like the way it's set up it makes no it yeah but it sounded great sounded great and that and that goes that's the

that's the testament of the sound guy Randy and he was he must have done something or the way he he queued it or made he just cared he knew he cared he knew the room yeah he knew knew the room very well. Yeah.

Everybody there was great. It was the same staff forever, pretty much, you know? Yeah. Big Ron. Big Ron. Joe, Corey, the security guard. Joe, yeah. I remember, oh, man.

Yeah, Joe booked the, before I was in Pending Doom, I was in another local band, and we played Showcase, and the first time I played Showcase was for a Showcase Showdown that Joe booked me on. You got to do it. Got to do it, man.

You got to do it. We made it to like the next level and stuff. And, you know, like the, I think there was either two or three, like, levels. Like, you make the first one, then you go on to the, you know, the qualifiers or the finals. And the winner gets like, you know, a thousand bucks or like you get to record or something. And we didn't make the next round on that local. We passed the first one.

I'm like, I played Showcase. Sweet. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about Joe, man. Yeah. Special guy, man. If you call Showcase, which even another.

thing you miss doing oh yeah you used to call venues and try to get to the people the person that booked it that worked at the venue yeah it wasn't like like like like like separate promoter wasn't his okay so either his email i don't even know how i remember this and if you can verify this then wow my memory is great i think i i booked a show either maybe through email but probably not maybe through a i am and i think his like name was joseph case could have been probably i think so i think that's how i talked to him

jocase wow man and that's how we got booked damn so cool just like just to contact him and he'll like give you a shot he responded yeah we made it

we made it we're gonna be huge remember uh like right remember i was playing baseballist new middle band called thrush and he didn't like us

but which goes what goes to show again showcase and testament to a Joe is even though he didn't like your band he would throw you on a show that you guys really wanted

if he saw that you guys really wanted you to show we wanted to be on a show with a hemlock you know that's like oh that's like perfect for us it's like new metal it's perfect

and he's like you didn't like us but it's like I know they would appreciate the show and then I'm and before that show is out again

you go to the venue and hang outside for no reason or I was gonna hang out here, whatever. And Joe comes outside and talks me and is like, you guys gotta practice man, practice, practice. And like, and I just watch, like, not in a thick way, a very like, very pure way. It's like, you guys gotta practice. Yeah.

And that's subconsciously, after that band, going into SS, that stuck with me. Like, oh, practice, practice. I'm like, you know what? It's just like weird things that kind of stick with you for no reason. Yeah. That was one of those weird practice.

And Joe is just a pure guy, man. And he'll throw you on showdowns or... It's crazy because if you really sat down and think back to all the things that made... That was stepping stones for your band. Yeah. Something as simple as Showcase, allowing your band to play when you were nobody. Yeah. If Showcase didn't exist or maybe Joe didn't give you...

a shot or, you know, yeah, if Showcase didn't exist in general, like, you might not, suicide sounds may never have been what it was. No way. You might have not had a place to play because that was the big place to play that gave a lot of opportunities and everybody's played there, man. No doubt has played there. Blink 122's played there. Massive, massive people.

Legendary bands have played there, man. On all levels and fronts, man. And, yeah, Joe, he was, yeah, there's no showcase. I mean, yeah, they'll definitely not be SS. Definitely not. Yeah, because I remember Chain was always like, not that it was a level higher or something, but just because it, like, it was further away and maybe, like, just the vibe was different or something. Like, like, the first thing to obtain was playing Showcase.

Yeah. Then it was, like, moved to Chain. And, like, holy crap, if we could ever play a, Glasshouse. Oh yeah. Kidding me? That's like we made it. Yeah.

Glass house was the top. Yeah. Well, because back when, back then, that's when like, you know, mud vein and slipinaw were playing glasshouse. Yeah. That's where you'd go see them, not at the arena, you know? So I was like, oh my gosh, Glasshouse. Like, I mean, my band's good, but we're never a Glasshouse good. We're never.

If we could play Chain and showcase, like, we made it. Yeah. What a special. What, how crazy is it? Like, being a kid and, like, you get to eventually play show. showcase and then like the cherry action didn't seem impossible then you've been playing there glasshouse seen impossible oh wait in the fast forward years later you you you're headlining glass house what i mean that's just that just stretches your perception of what's real and what's

not and what and what's possible and what's not man you know yeah i never thought we'd headline glass house multiple times oh yeah yeah the first it's cool the first time we ever played glass house was we got signed a face down. Yeah. Nailed Dead Risen was like about to come out. Nice. I don't even think it was out. About to come out.

And we opened FaceDown Fest. Opened. Playing first. And we're stoked. Yeah. Awesome. We play at three. You know what I mean?

I don't know what time it started, but it was early. And people showed up. It was packed. Awesome. We played Glass House. Sick. Next year, Nailed Dead Risen was. has been out, we headline

Face Down Fest. Wow. So we don't skip any sort of like, oh, we go up a little bit or this and that. We open in 2007. We headlined in 2008. You know, and the only times we've done Face Down Fest, we've headlined since.

Wow. But in the beginning, that, like, I was just so stoked to open and play Glass House. And then the next year we headlined, I was like, how are we going to headline? We have to play like 10 songs. And we're like, we don't even have 10 songs.

Like, we've got to play. You know, what are we going to do? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that was a trip. That's a trip, man. What a, what a journey.

And you guys are still on it, too. Still on it. Still doing stuff. Still doing it. The plan is to always do it. I mean, not going to lie and say, hey, we're going to hit the road, and we're going to go all over,

and we're going to play Australia and Japan and Europe, and we're doing, like, I'm not going to say that. That can't happen, but that's, you know, that's not looking what the direction we want to do, but we always want to do, we always want to be involved forever. As old as we get, let's keep making music.

As long as people are willing to listen and stream it and want the band to create more, like we're here for it, you know? You can do it as long as people will listen. Well, given what you guys are doing And something that, you know Especially as like an artist You know

And a musician and someone in the band Especially like a heavy band You always kind of have in like the back of your head It's not true But it's just there like You feel like You feel like It's going to go away

You know Oh, our whole fan base is just going to go go away If we don't go on tour We don't put out a record every like you know 10 seconds I guess it's just, like you kind of feel that way, so it kind of forced you to maybe, you know, do your things you probably shouldn't do,

but I mean, no one's going to take away your history in, uh, in, in, uh, in, in, uh, in, in, uh, in, in, ever do that. It's always going to be that. It's always going to be there. Yeah. And, um, and people are still discovering your band. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See it all the time online. Like, oh, I just, I just heard of you guys. And now I'm listening back or, you know, going back to your earlier records or this and that. Yeah.

I'm like, that's crazy. How did you just now hear about us? It happens. It happens, man. And then we, you know, when we all started, our fans were, you know, 14, 15, 16-year-old teenagers. That was like the big, you know, draw was young, young audience. Yeah. We grew up and they grew up too.

And now I see that, like, you know, I've seen people bringing their kids, they're like, dude, I've been listening to you since I was 15, and now I have my, you know, 10-year-old son taking him to an impending doom show, like multiple generations. And I'm like, that's weird. Super weird. Like, you kind of forget that they've aged too. Yeah. You know, they go with you. You know, your demographic age, you know, I'm sure if you look it up, our main fan base is not 14 to 16-year-old teenagers.

anymore that's people in the 30s you know yeah as like the main and you know we'll have some young fans still of course and we have some old fans and this and that but it's like they grow with you it's a trip yeah man they do and uh and then putting like like like your like yourself in like the shoes of a fan for for a little bit it's like you know things that that we've done no matter how much you love a band you know i've done with with corn i mean i'll be transparent about that like you just living your life and you're kind of like maybe like now listen to your record or two yeah it's just we're all human

where people have their own lives but if you're still doing something and you want it to be doing something when they come back around because you know we always do yeah you know oh shit you know I haven't listened to this band a long time but then you listen back and now you're hooked again yeah you know because they're

and those records are still there or they're still putting out stuff and you still have corn out there slamming it and like you just can't you get that that you get reminded constantly of why you love them you know so i think it's really important for what you guys are doing is just be active yeah and on on all levels on try to be innovative now but you guys are already doing i'm really looking forward to what to what guys are doing you know it's keep keep going yeah yeah yeah i'm stoked i'm stoked sky's the limit it is man there's no rules

No rules. I was This has been in my mind for a while. I was, I had like curiosity. I was, I was looking at personnel credits on a Jimmy Hendricks record.

And, you know, you got the classic, you know, studio, producer, engineer, the band. On the producer, it says

Chas Chandler That's your manager And I was like I was like oh That was interesting You know Obviously like as time goes on Like I think the term

I'm not taking anything away From great engineers or great producers Or manager or anyone Anything however What a record is Or isn't like There are your rules Yeah

Like imagine opinion of doom Having their manager as their producer. Yeah. You'll be oh you'll automatically go about wait that goes against like the rules no you can't do that. Yeah. If Jimmy Hendricks to do that there are no rules. There's no rules and I think uh I also honestly if I'm gonna be transparent as well I think there's a little bit of money involved but maybe a producing credit maybe being abused. Oh for sure which I've seen which probably should go to the band because you're in there that room days weeks to months to even records. have been written all over a year. You're producing the record, then you just need someone to track it.

Then they'll be contracts involved, then they'll get the producing credit. And we're pointing. And it made me, like, look back in our catalog. Really, like, wow. And then that kind of makes you look back on under records. Like, look at the personnel. Like, everyone did something different,

especially back back then. And it's kind of odd enough to where we're kind of going back to like the 50s and 60s where you just put out singles. And, you know, you don't know who's produced. You don't know who's going to produce your record Or even if there is one or not Yeah You don't know

And so I think Something that probably got exposed You know It's just that There are no rules Do you need a producer? Great, get them or great You need this guy

Pam Should you produce? Great, awesome Yeah We don't need one You don't need one We need a great engineer Great meaning like

You're home to do it Whatever makes Whatever the music needs Do it, there's no rules Yeah There's just, I think that that rulebook is fucking gone. It's gone. It's out the window.

It's out. It's out the window. Yeah. And you guys are already doing it. You guys are, that's what I want to see bands. That's what I want to see and hear from bands. Oh, like, we're like doing this. I'm like, oh, that's a whole other way to do something.

That's cool. Yeah. You know, just trying to open up the minds of other artists is huge, you know? For sure. Yeah. There's no one way to do it. No. That's what I tell.

people that ask me all the time, do you have any advice for a band starting now? I'm just like, dude, just write the music you want to write and put out a lot. If you want to do it full time, you have to be obsessed and you got to constantly put out content, content, content. Yeah. And just be yourself and put stuff out. If it's really good, it's going to catch on. You don't need, I mean, you don't need those big people these days. It helps, but I feel like it's, and there's nothing wrong with going with that. It's just before that was the only route. It was like, you got to, you know, if you go with this or you do this, and like how you were saying with touring in our earlier years, we for sure overtured ourselves with going back to back and back and back doing this and this because we were always.

told, if you don't do this tour, you're going to be out of, you know, the eye for this long, people are going to forget. And when you're older, you just think now, like, really? You think people would have forgot our band if we didn't do that one U.S. tour for two months? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, really? With the same band we've already toured with, it's not a new audience that we're getting exposed to or something. Like, like, really, we're just, we're done, right? Dude, it's so weird I hope

which honestly I mean again transparently I don't think the younger bands you know I've seen it right before the

pandemic happened I'm seeing the same thing that happened to us you're just told the tour and you're told the tour until like

you go crazy which what you do and then like you lose your love for it I'm seeing it I'm not going to

name names of the band but similar in our genre yeah like you're doing you're doing the same thing that we did I know you're listening

to the book agent or maybe a manager that doesn't have your best interest of mine and i just want to go up to and be like stop yeah do what you guys want you guys want to tour 10 months out of a year and it's good for you guys and the band do it but don't listen to this individual because you don't have a clear vision yeah you know people aren't going to forget about you if you don't do one tour like you don't tour fucking all year yeah and i'm a fan of like i mean this has to do with me being older now but like when i like going to concerts. I like

some of these bigger bands I've seen more recently pre-pandemic. They go out on tour. They play the right venue. They have two bands on tour with them. Maybe no locals. It's short, sweet.

They got the production. I like going there. I like paying for a seat set of sanding. Have my food, have my drink, watch my band. And it's just different from like what we started doing where it's like add tons of bands on the package tons of locals the whole show starts at three and you go on at 10 p.m. or whatever and

just just blast the crap out of the fans and stuff and I mean there's not one way to do it but I've noticed some of the more bigger bands like they just grab one or two other guys and go out on to were like that do their thing and and they don't come often which it's like some of my favorite bands you would think like oh i'd want to go see them all the time but i kind of like they don't come that often it's more of a a thing you look forward to it yeah you know they're not you know we used to play you know we used to do three four u.s tours a year so it's like oh well you know you didn't catch us in texas this time like just wait two months we'll be back and that's important in the beginning with

like growing a little bit sure but it doesn't give people time to, like, miss you, too, you know. Yeah, people got to miss you, man. Yeah, if you're going to tour 10 months, do a world tour, to the U.S., do Australia, go to Mexico, go to Europe, go to go all over, and, like, tour your album for everybody. Yeah. And then, like, you know, we'd always tour mostly the states.

And, you know, we've been to a lot of other places, not as often, but, you know, We would overplay, I think, in the States. Yeah, man, same. Yeah, one time we did three back-to-back U.S. tours, back-to-back, because the same thing where we're told. Like, you guys got to be out there. You don't see that anymore. You don't?

Yeah. Three back-to-back. Lily, like, this month's done? Okay, and then a few days off, then you go to this tour, and then a couple days off, I remember I was like, you look back here like, what were we doing? It should have one. We went all over.

Yeah. So our first tour ever, like I said earlier, is us in Whitechapel. But my children, my bride, headlined our first tour ever. This is MySpace. There's no face. I'm sure Facebook was maybe out then. But like bands weren't on Facebook. This is just straight MySpace days.

Yeah. So my children, my bride headlined Whitechapel than us. That, I'm not exaggerating. exactly a three-month U.S. tour. It's three months long. You name a city, we played there. Every state we'd go to, we're playing eight shows per state.

You know, just like, we played everywhere for three months. So after that three months, that was right when that tour is the tour that Nailed Dead Rising came out on. Three months long, came home for two weeks, and then our next tour was

Two Pure to Die, headlining, Whitechapel, I believe us and one other band. So again, that one was like a month and a half. So for the first like six months of touring is us in Whitechapel. And we were like this during those six months.

I mean, we were all over it and playing the U.S., every single city everywhere, you know, getting just, you know, slammed playing too many shows. Yeah. But I remember the last. the last night of like the that two peer to die tour when we had basically been on the road

with Whitechapel for like six months and as we like we went to Denny's together to say our goodbyes and stuff and as we like drove off to like go do our careers away from each other I remember laying in like the back bunk being like almost literally like at tears because I was like I've been every single day with these guys like especially like Zach

and Alex you know really close with them Great guys. Yeah. I remember driving away from that, Denny's being like, damn, I'm not going to see them tomorrow. I feel like they're literally like a part. They're like, we're the same band.

Yeah. Because we started right at the same time, first tours together. And then just literally six months of the U.S. Dang. That's crazy. Yeah. So much.

I still remember that. Yeah. That's crazy. The things you remember. I felt really emotional that. I was like, damn, I don't can see them anymore. Yeah, especially during those

early tours, you get kind of emotional when they're like over, like, oh, wow. Yeah. It's over? Is it really over? Yeah. I'm sure back then we, I thought I was like, can we even tour without them? Can they tour without us? Like, what are the rules here?

I thought we're supposed to be like together forever here. It's like a marriage. Yeah. I thought we were married. Yeah, we'd always be like talking, hey, what tour are you getting? Oh, you're getting that?

I'll tell our agent try to get us on that tour. Let's just tour forever together, right? That makes sense. God. Have you guys ever thought about like doing like a one week thing or a two week thing? Yeah. Yeah, we're going to do that. Yeah?

Okay. With you. We're doing it. Okay. Perfect. All right. No, we've been talking about that. Like that being like the most, you know, everybody has other careers.

Everybody has families, kids. And it's not that like we, we, you know, our wives won't let us go do. kid my wife you know my wife she's super cool if i wanted to go out on a full u.s tour she she's my biggest cheerleader but it just it makes it so much harder and it's not something we want to do and if you don't want to do it don't do it so we want to do something you know because all we've been doing the last like three years is we only do fly out so we'll fly on a friday perform Saturday, fly home Sunday. Or sometimes if we're feeling crazy, we'll play Saturday and Sunday night, fly home Monday. And then we're sore and we're like, how did we used to play five nights a week?

Like two nights is like too much. Do the body. The body. It's getting old. It hurts, it hurts. It hurts way worse than it used to. Yeah. But we've talked about that like we want to do a week, two weeks. Two weeks if it's the right package. you know, we like flying out and doing headline stuff or hop on a festival. But I think if we did like a couple week thing, then we wouldn't be like so gung-ho on. Like we got a headline. It'd be more like, let's like get a bunch of bands and like suicide wants to go out or whoever, let's hop on this and and go with them for a little while. Yeah, so I can, I think we'll be doing something.

like that. That's great. Yeah. Nothing more than that though. Yeah. At least in the foreseeable future. Just yeah. It's tough, man. It's tough. And especially yeah, now that we fly places, fly, get to the hotel, relax, uh, play the show, go back to the hotel, hop on a plane, fly back, not haul around all this gear. Now we're kind of spoiled to where it's like, I mean, you, you know, thankfully you guys have been in a bus for, you know, the majority of your career for many many years now i could never ever go on the road like for for a long amount of time not being in a bus at this age now yeah and we never turned into like a bus band being always you know most we did was on warp tour and getting a bandwagon or uh the sprinter thing with you know

smaller bunks and stuff um yeah i'd have for sure we'd have to be in a bus we're just too old we hurt. It's not anything to do with the ego. Ego's, no, we don't got no ego. We're old. I hurt. I need to lay down. We need to lay down and not sleep sitting up, you know. Yeah. Oh yeah. How many years we did that are just like sharing a row with Beetown. Just love Beetown, but we didn't get good sleep. No. I quite imagine, man.

Yeah. Mine, sharing a row. Sharing a row. It's a thing, man. You shared your Rose. I know you guys did your van tours but once you go bus

you don't go back you know it's hard dude is tough man just for like just to kind of figure out what it was like sounds cheesy

but we did our last tour was in the band well you know what how long was it though the month I was like let's do it I purposely

took the most uncomfortable seat and I didn't give it up but you were cool the whole month now I slept uh just

like like this I mean you share the bench you know you have like behind the first bench you have party either no benches or way of everyone like like

lay down I'm like I don't want any of that I want to feel the van the whole time just kind of proving myself and be my grateful you know when

yeah you know you kind of it was kind of nice to get back in like that mindset it was nice see I didn't mind the van

one when I was younger and two, because we had bunks in our van. So like that's nice. Yeah, we didn't have like the whole back three seats or something. And my dad built us, you know, below bunk and top bunk and stuff. You could fit two people below and two on top. And it was really comfortable. And I would always be down bottom.

It was like blackout blinds. You wouldn't see me earlier than 2 p.m. crawl out of that thing. So it was like, it was awesome. It was comfortable. That's cool. But, uh, I mean, I could. do a van. When I say

I can't do a van, I'm talking like the early days where like we'd sleep in Walmart parking lots in the van. Yeah. Like you probably got multiple hotel rooms. Of course. Yeah. And that's fine. And that's what we did later in our years of course too. So I could do that, but it would literally

have to be like, all right, we're in a van. Every day, no matter what, there's a few hotel rooms for all the guys to be comfortable. No one's sleeping on floors. No crew guys sleeping on a floor. Everyone gets a bed and it's close to the venue and then we head out early in the morning and drive to the next place cool oh dude it's uh uh it's also the uh what is it's it's the uh what is it's the privacy factor

that's tough oh yeah you have no alone to have no privacy zero privacy i mean if you want torrens already like okay you're you're you're you're like walk somewhere far to get like like the privacy when you're that enclosed for so long and then you're not even getting rooms. Yeah. You know, you're like a Walmart parking lot. Like the privacy, it doesn't seem like much, but over time, you kind of like, something's kind of off, you know?

So, oh, I mean, I haven't been alone in a month. Yeah. You know, or longer I'm like attached to like, you know, five plus guys. Yeah. You know, I can't have my can't have, like, you can't, without, you know, knowing, like, like you sacrifice your personal thoughts or like you're, you're a long time and more so your sanity.

Sanity for sure. And then that's only half of it. Then when you go home, you transfer that energy to when you get home and then you got to process that. You know, because you don't know, maybe it's probably, you know, splints why, you know, we didn't have girlfriends.

Or at least solid girlfriends when we were younger because you were going home after like a month, two or three months and not having any privacy. and then like you couldn't go from that to like trying to have like a relationship. It's impossible. That's why it's impossible.

That's why they never worked out. Like I had girlfriends when I, uh, in the early years of touring and they never worked out, uh, you know, for multiple reasons I'm sure. But, uh, to, to blame myself a little bit is, uh, your priority is on the band. Your priority is not the girl. Yeah. You're dating. Especially at that young age.

It's like, that is second. It was always second. Band is first. And then, you know, you don't want to tell them that. You can't. You can't tell them. You can't see that. But I always, I remember this always coming home from tour and not, trying to find a nice way of saying it,

but you just can't say it in a nice way of where like, when I get home from tour, I need minimum three days of like, I don't want to hang out with nobody. No friends. No girlfriend. I know I haven't seen you in a month or two months. So, like, a girlfriend is, like, see, and they're like, oh, my gosh, you get home from tour on this day. Like, I want to see you. And it's like, you miss them. But I always remember thinking, like, yeah, I miss you, but, like, I miss myself.

And I haven't had time to myself in a month or two months. Yeah. So it's like, give me three days to, like, digest, getting home and getting off the road. And then we can hang out. And, I mean. That never goes over good with any girlfriend, especially at that age. No. No, it doesn't, man.

You can't. You can't. You can't. And then as you, you know, we both learned. There is, you know, you can put things before the ban. And you have to. You should. I mean, like your woman, that, she's first.

Oh, 100%. That's it. Family first. Family first, man. That's it. Family first. And something weird happens. weird happens when you do that though it's something that you don't expect it but it is like kind of like a mind uh it's just weird like when you put someone else

when you put the family before the band it does improve the band for sure it's it's weird how that works oh wait like i thought i had to be all like this oh my crazy at the band's first but then like once you put the family first you have something to live for it therefore you could put more effort into the music and and the band it made more about their right decisions and a little more clear. You have to. It's hard when you're young. You know? Oh, yeah.

We don't know any better. No. You know, we were, we got record deals and thrown to the wolves and we're high on that. Yeah. It was awesome. It was a great feeling. But then that's all you see and you're just like, uh,

this is what I put my effort in. Like, you know, girlfriend or whatever. That's just like, that's just what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, along with it but like this is where my effort is when it's like if you want a relationship to work uh it takes a lot of effort yeah a lot it does and then when you put in the effort good results yeah when when when when you put in it something you get even more back yeah you know you know we're kind of you know i mean you you got a solid chick and a family years before i did but you know when you recently i told myself like years ago like i'm not going to get a girl

girlfriend until I know I could go on a Europe tour and be miserable if something happens during a tour and then know for a fact I could take a 14 hour flight go straight from the airport to a chick and go and fucking go on and not happy because because you know you can't go from work to like part of your home and like I'm tired

you're probably going from work to like now your dad and husband oh yeah boom boom yeah I couldn't imagine leaving for that long and being away for I mean, I miss my wife. Every day I'm away from her, but, like, throwing a child in there now? Dude, it's crazy. It's crazy. I go to work and don't see my child for 10 hours, and I come home and I'm like, oh, my gosh.

I feel like I haven't seen you in forever, especially now when she can talk and say little things. Like, da, da, da, da, more, more. Like you're saying she wants, you know, me to love on her and she misses me. And that's when you're like, oh, my gosh, I can never. I could never leave this for a month, you know? Yeah. And yeah. And you found yours.

Look at all this. I'm not saying that you didn't have anything to do with this, but she's pushing you to do great things. And I've seen this place in every sort of scenario over the years. Oh, thanks. It is legit. You're doing great things. And that's what I'm saying.

You need a strong, good woman to. push you to do great things and vice versa you push her yeah things things are happening yeah it's uh and it's very healthy especially you're like a guy in like a band

like you're already kind of have that like obsessive mindset yeah when you have someone like a woman that could kind of like honing on it and like push you do like anything else when you're so used to yourself and then now you have help for it to get like motivated and driven dude it's like this it's like this

oh my extra energy you're like oh wow, okay. Because you're so used to being by yourself and getting that energy from just you when you have help, it's just like, you're just on another level. Yeah.

You get that next level. I feel like since I've known you for a while too, you're like, initially this is probably out of your comfort zone. Like you're kind of introverted, a little bit like. Oh yeah. Like, and you're really good at this.

I feel like five years ago, you know, you wouldn't be like as, I mean, you maybe be a little nervous to hop on Instagram live and talk to people and do this and be like the host and carry a conversation. Yeah. That's not like you're like, you know what I mean? I always feel like you were always quiet and more introverted

and like you push to do something that is maybe out of your comfort zone and boom, it like blows up and it's doing great. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's what it's all about, man. Do different things. Try new things. And you'll be like, holy crap, I could do this or...

Yeah. You know what I mean? You never know. You never know, man. Yeah, just do things that you're uncomfortable doing, you know? And something that you're probably going to figure out soon. You know, it's crazy how much you can do. Yeah.

And make it look professional. Like, you can do a lot of stuff. Yeah. Things that you know nothing about. I don't know. nothing about set design and lights and cameras, but you just dive into it. Oh, you know, okay, I'll try it. You know, and then you just figure it out.

And it's fun. Yeah. So, oh, and then, like, as you were saying earlier, like, well, okay, if you could do this, then what else can you do? You know, you could do a lot, a lot, dude. More, definitely more than you think you're capable of doing. For sure. You just, if I could do something that involves like some electronics,

dude, I'm like, like, kind of like the cliche. If I could do it, I know this, anyone could do this. Because I'm an idiot, dude. I don't know anything about, like, certain subjects. But, like, diving into that stuff. If I can do it, anyone can do it. Straight up. I've known you for so long.

So I know that you didn't have all this a year ago. I've seen it transform into what it is. But if you didn't know you, and you walk in here, you would look around and go, this guy knows what he's doing. this guy's this doesn't look like an amateur thing you did your homework you dove in you tried this you got this and that you and it's legit i was showing my wife and my mom last night actually when they were asking like oh so garza has a podcast and like uh you know what's it like where's it at

does you have a studio you know my mom's never been here so i was explaining to her and then i pulled up that i was like look up the garza podcast on the podcast app and they're just you know looking at your, you know, your, I don't know, cartoonish is the right, but you know, your, your, your look, your image on there. I'm like, yeah. He's, he's doing it right. Like, look how legit it looks. Show him the video and everything.

It's like, it looks legit. Yeah. You're doing it right. Thanks, man. I really appreciate it. That's why I'm excited to what, what you guys are doing because if I can do stuff like this, like, I know you guys can do, you guys would take whatever you guys you just figure it out and make it look professional and it's put it's all it is a time yeah time for

sure you guys I'm really curious what what you guys are going to do man it's just so it's so possible you'll see along the way I'm sure I'll be calling you hey man what do you uh what do you use for this or how'd you figure this out or what yeah you know oh yeah I'm here anytime and anything that I could pass on you know which is like a big reason why you know I'm doing a podcast and I want to anything I got transferred over that I learned And it's kind of save some time because there's endless, there's endless things to learn. And that's the kind of one thing that sucks about taking on something new. So anything that, you know, you could do for someone else.

Like I could kind of save them some time. So they have more time to do more that will make it better, which makes you better. You know, I'm all all about it. Sure. You know, if I can do it, man, anyone could do it. And this is one person. If you have like at least like a couple people helping you, dude, you're, you're, talking about like a team dude it's sick that's a goal we'll see how quickly we get there i mean

we got it's me and brook out there right now so that's great we got a lot of plans we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna take off running with it here soon we should be a breaking ground on the building here in the next couple weeks got that soon yeah oh yeah we got all the all the bids and all the uh yeah all the images of it and everything yeah approval and um dude that's it Yeah, so it's going down. So hopefully, I say it'll be, once I start, it'll take about two months to build the building from the ground up. So you're building here from scratch. That's so dope.

I am, but it's like, this is so sick. I've never had, like, like, your garage is not a regular garage. Like this garage like is sick. So initially like I have a huge garage at my house in Texas. But I was like, okay, jamming, the walls vibrating, baby. Yeah. That's going to limit what we can do at what times we can do. Yeah.

And then we have a ton of room in the backyard. So we're like, let's just look into putting a. building because I want to be able to like go out there not piss off anybody no neighbors not my own family yeah baby could be sleeping they could be 100 degrees outside or it could be one degrees outside it's going to be temperature controlled and I wanted to to just go in there and work do what we're going to do yeah I don't want it to be you know if you're going to do it and you're going to spend the money don't half ass it you know what I mean so that that's kind of 100 Yeah, because I mean at first, I mean, every little thing is just adding up with it.

But I'm like, oh, no, we don't need like temperature control. We don't need AC and heating. It's fine or whatever. And then I'm like, well, in Texas, it gets like, you need an AC. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no. Good. It's going in. But at the initial, it was just like, that would be fine.

But then I'm like, okay, well, see, it gets really cold in the winter. It's really hot in the summer. Yeah. So when I'm going to spend all this money on this building, create this awesome thing. And then, like, there's three months out of the year. we are miserable in there that we don't go in there to use it. I'm like, no, just do it right from the beginning. Insulate it correctly.

Get all the soundproofing correctly. Put the heating and air in there. Temperature control it. Make it so you can go in there any day, anytime. Yeah. Without pissing anybody off. You guys doing it right. Ground up.

Do it right. Do it right. Because it's funny how like when it says, besides doing things, oh, wait, like, there's a big difference. between saving money and cutting corners don't do two different things you you can save money yeah fine fine the best deal is fine

do all that stuff but you cannot don't ever cut a corner yeah your building might fall down when it gets really windy yeah you don't know man you go with the cheaper guy or whatever it's like you don't know man yeah you don't know and if you're going to do it just do it right bite the bullet bite the bullet do it right man

you have sick sick shit costs money you know it does Cost money and then you save money by putting in time to make it work and that saves, you know, labor alone. Like if you put in some time, you know. Yeah. I probably save thousands and thousands of dollars just for like not getting like a camera guy in here. Just spending the time or not even that just like the soundproofing you've done.

Yeah. To be able to for you guys to rehearse in here. Like because I'm looking into how I'm going to soundproof it with soundproofing blankets and, you know, where to put certain phone. and things, but it's super expensive. So you're like, you're like, wow, like, you got to do it. Because, I mean, if you're going to pay for this building to get built and it pisses off neighbors because it's not soundproofed, it's a, you just wasted your money. You know what I mean?

If everyone's calling the cops and, I mean, I don't think that's going to happen. Anyway, we don't have super close neighbors, but still, it's like I don't want to, I don't want to annoy family or, you know, definitely a neighbor or whatever. If you're going to do it, you just do it right or you're, you just wasted the money on the building. Totally. The matter how much money you spent, if you cut a corner somewhere, then you pay, all that money you spent is basically kind of pointless.

Yeah. Or it's like, you essentially waste it in like a weird way. Yeah. So that's, that's kind of where I have to, like, step back and look at it and be like, dude. This is how you have to do it. Or don't do it at all. I'm proud of you guys, man. We're doing it.

Doing it right. You got to do it right the first time. Got to do it right the first time. Especially for how old we are. There's no excuses. You got to do it right the first time. Comfort is everything in this age, man. I feel like I'm older than I am.

Yeah. It definitely is a fill of 35. Yeah, man. The good things in life are a good mattress to sleep on. Yeah. Bad mattress will just mess you up. That's just a, that's a... Yeah.

Yeah. Old guy talking right there. Like, man, I look forward to my mattress at home. It's soft and the AC's going and all right, I'm happy. Dude, yeah, it feels so cute. We have a sick bed and get a good night's rest. Yeah, yeah. But you got to go through it all.

I remember sleeping in Walmart, parking lots in the van, all the doors in the van just wide open. And we're in the south, so it's humid. And, you know, it's like 90 degrees at 2.000. am and we're just like laying there in our underwear because you know can't keep the van on the whole night or whatever like the early days yeah so i think back to that sometimes i'm like all right you did that you're fine yeah i know yeah it's cool that we that we we could look back and be like oh wow i did that so therefore it gives you kind of like if i if i if i could do that i could definitely do this yeah you know and it makes you thankful for some of the other more comforted things or

or how you've grown, you know, like being in a bus. You're like, man, we did the van thing. We, you know, all 15 of us with crew and everything slept in a van and it was hot. Did that for years. Now we're, you're in a bus. Blessed. It's a blessing, man.

It's crazy. This life is a blessing, man. Being able to say, yeah, I'm in a band. It's crazy. It's crazy. crazy, dude. It's crazy that people will listen to

what you create on the other side of the world. Yeah. Like, when we went to Costa Rica, I had never seen, like, in our comment section

or hear things, like, come to Costa Rica, come to Costa Rica. Like, maybe I'd see, like, one or something, but it's like, you never saw, like, oh, my gosh, there's a lot of, like, heat coming from this area. We got to go down there. Like, we went down there, and I didn't know what to expect.

I'm like, there's probably 15 people here that know of our band. There's no way. I've never heard anyone say, scream and beg to come to Costa Rica. And we play the show, and I'm like, what? Like, just blown away. Like, how the heck do you know our band? Crazy. Weird.

It's a trip. That's a trip. That's a tree. trip man and it's still going still going man still going that's one of my favorite places i want to go back go back dude you have like a vacation spot yet like for us it's it's hawaii like we try to go there after like a torque cycles over yeah i'll go to hawaii and like we'll go to like a week yeah hawaii's the best that's where me and my wife loved to go we got married in maui yeah

yeah we got married in hawaii sick we love hawaii we haven't been in a couple years so we're like just hoping next year because I don't want to spend the money and go to Hawaii if it's like I know you can go right now with COVID but it's like if I'm going to spend the money and go I don't want to wear a mask I don't want to stay away for anybody if there's bars like I want to I want it to be Hawaii it's expensive it should be you know so I'll wait I'll wait till it's all back to normal again and yeah it's good Good, good call. Yeah, it's not worth it.

Yeah, it might be happy and sooner and later. We got the vaccine available to us. Have you gotten yours yet? Not yet, but the first... I think? The first time I was available. So over here, it's April 15th. Okay, cool.

And I'm gonna get the first round. Texas was this Monday. So what stays today? Thursday? Yeah, so... Thursday, yeah. Yeah, a couple days ago, all ages in Texas can get it. So we've been out here for a little while, but I think maybe my wife made us appointments.

Great. So I know when we get back, we'll get it. Everybody and my family's already had it. So it makes it easier to hang out with them, knowing that they're all good. It's a big one, man. When my parents got both of them, I felt like a lot, okay, this is, okay, it felt like a lot safer. Yeah, because that's who you worry about. My uncle, my uncle got COVID a few months back and legit almost died.

He got pneumonia with it. He was in the hospital for almost a month on oxygen. When they finally let him go, he still had to go home on oxygen. And that was a couple months ago now. And I saw him this last weekend, actually. And he's doing better, but still two, this day he has like every um you know eight or ten hours or so he he still feels fatigued where he grabs his oxygen at home to like give him a little boost for a little while he's doing great now but

whoa yeah he got covid bad caught pneumonia with it and uh yeah there was um there was some some scary days there were all my family was just like it's every day is no good news from the nurse that's looking after him that it's not getting better it's not getting better and then um it slowly started getting better so they took care of him they gave him like the plasma stuff that like they gave trump when trump got it so he feels like he he he walked around like yeah i got the presidential uh got the presidential treatment wow but he's good now but it was it was scary yeah that's scary man yeah so it's crazy how it hits

different people differently you have like the most you know it's all good but some people get it bad yeah majority is you know if you have some sort of you know condition if you're

if you're overweight you know obese diabetes those are like the that's what my mom says she's a nurse with at Kaiser so she sees it all firsthand and that's that's usually what it is. But it doesn't mean healthy, you know, people who have

no, you know, health conditions can't have a bad time with it. It's just not as likely, but... Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird, and we're lucky that, you know, we seem to have got through it. Our parents all got the vaccine,

and nothing's happened to them. And super... Super lucky, man. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if I've had it. Because, like, every time I've gotten a COVID test. They obviously, no, you don't have COVID, but I wonder if, like, I got the antibodies in there. Like, I had it at some point when I had a sore throat or something, it just didn't affect me hard, you know. To get the antibody test one day or something.

Oh, yeah. I don't know. But as far as I know, I've never gotten it. So that's good. And most of the family's vaccinated. So fingers crossed, the worst is behind us. I think the worst behind us I think we're in like approaching the dawn

So the dawn's parking last a little Longer than we're like But at least we're At least we're there It feels that way I've definitely been changing my My tune as far as like I was like

I'm not torn until like Summer To the 22 Maybe And seeing Because I don't watch news But the news to me is like If I'm hanging out with my parents

And they're like they're watching the news so i just overhear like stuff so that's like my news picks i'm like and hearing these things like by heard you know crazy like oh the vaccine's available um on on the 15th for people are age and younger and then and then seeing how they got got the vaccine so quickly i'm like these are dates that are coming up way quicker than i expected um they got their vaccine probably a year before i thought they were going to get it yeah you know i was being like very like trying to be real very realistic how this was really going to play out you know a vaccine great I mean but millions of people some simultaneously and then seeing how they got it and then now it's

available to me I'm probably I mean I'm checking online every day I'm going to try to get my appointment the day of yeah it's the fact that I that's available now definitely changing my my tune and what I thought about and like when maybe you know you know live shows come back at the capacity that we're all used to. You know, definitely changing my tune. Like, man, this could happen. We could probably start touring this year. I'm hoping fall.

Later this year. Yeah, yesterday we had to reschedule shows yet again because we have some booked for summer that have been rescheduled probably three times now. Had they reschedule them yesterday for fall. So October. September is when the shows that we had booked are now pushed to. So I'm hoping we don't have to reschedule them again.

We had one in Florida that we could play. They gave us the option. The venue's open, but they're at like 25% capacity. So they're like, they're thinking by fall, they could have 100% capacity. So we all talked it over and we're like, just, let's reschedule it again. It sucks. People don't want to hear it, but I want people to come out.

Obviously, as a band, you want more people than less people, but also you want everyone to feel safe and you know, some people don't care and say, hey, it's cool, I'll go right now. And that's cool. Everyone's entitled to their

own opinions. I just want everyone to feel safe. There's some people that don't. Let's just wait for everybody and do it right do it as big as we can yeah and i mean at this point it's like we've already waited over a year to play shows everyone's on pause anyway like what's another few months everyone's already everyone knows how to live through this now you know yeah yeah yeah did you hear about that uh you see that's it's book for april 24th oh yeah full full like 15 000 or full full rena's

pulled out like five minutes. Yeah. Florida fucking, uh, it was, it was mine and, uh, and George Masbidol.

It's a big bite. Yeah. That's what it is. Usman and Masvedol. Yeah. It's gonna be a good one. Yeah. Hey,

I mean, people are hungry for it. People are hungry to get back in the arenas, get back to, to, to normal. Um,

there's more than enough people out there to do that kind of stuff, you know? Yeah. I haven't done it digging yet. But, uh, Leon Edwards is,

fighting Nate Diaz Yeah, that just got announced In Texas That looks Is that an arena? Yeah It has to be Yeah

Houston Texas I didn't Yeah I didn't I didn't see if it Where it was in Texas But the fight's confirmed Which is awesome I love Diaz

So the I've only been to one UFC fight And that was Masvedal versus Diaz At That was in At a Madison Square Garden Oh you and Mani

Yeah me and Mani flew out We were there That was right before the P I mean that was in November, you know, pandemic started soon after, but that was like right before the baby came. So I was like, dude, let's get tickets. Let's go to Madison Square Garden. Diaz versus Masvidal. We went at a great time.

It was awesome. But I was the last time Diaz fought. I love Diaz. He's a brawler. We all love him. Yeah. Win or lose? We love him.

He's like the one guy that like when he loses, it's still just like, yeah. You know. You know? He's still just Yeah He'll talk the talk And he'll back it up And he'll smack you

Yeah Yeah We fucking love the old Does the Stockton Slap? Slap, dude He don't care He's a gangster

It goes to show that You know We just love people That Just want to fight And they're And you could tell that Nate Diaz

They're the fight But also he's there For the fans You just tell like I want to punish I lose Because I'm not going to take him down and gain points to win the fight.

You can't fake that. Yeah. And he's tough. He gets cut easy. Always right there under the eye. Always opens up. But he's tough. If they,

you know, they stopped that fight, which we were pissed. Of course, because we were there. But he'll keep going. He's tough. He's a tough guy, man.

He's tough. Special man. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it's an arena in Texas. Yeah. No, Dana White said Georgia, Texas, and I think Florida are the next three pay-per-views, all arena, you know, back to capacity. Wow.

You know, as much as I want normal to happen, I don't know if I'd be jumping right into an arena right now myself, but I know that, hey, I don't, you know, I think if you're comfortable going, I think you should go. I don't like all the rules that You can't do this or you know you have to do this or you have to do that I think everyone should have their own You know that's why I was stoked when Texas lifted the mask mandate not like Oh, F a mask. I'm not wearing a mask. Screw it. No, it's just that I don't think you should the government shouldn't be telling us what we have to do

If you don't want to wear one Cool I mean you still have to in Texas too like everyone thinks it's all a free for all literally when that happened nothing changed like all the stores you go to a grocery store there are signs everywhere you must wear a mask to come in just because it's not a federal law now it's the law at that store so you'll still get kicked out if you're not wearing one yeah so i'm just i don't they shouldn't uh it you know it the government shouldn't be telling us what to do people are smart and and and they can make decisions for themselves and you have to respect businesses if they say you can't come here if you're not wearing a mask then you can't come there you know if businesses are

saying hey you don't have to wear a mask come shop here don't wear a mask and go shop there i don't do your thing yeah you know what i mean you know people can make their own decisions and um nothing spiked after great i think people are smart you know it's great news man it's great news if you're outside man i think i think it's fine yeah just be outside remember uh you know since you're from From here, you'll know where I'm talking about. Me and C.C., went to you at Tom's Farms. Yep. And we were shopping.

I think for some beers there. And this was right when everything was kind of going down. And I think, like, there was, like, something happened to where, like, when everything first happened, there was very, very, quickly. Maybe one thing came out very quick where, like, you don't have to wear a mask if you have a disability. I remember, like, seeing that. Yeah. or or or or or or or or or or or or hearing that and this and this and this I mean it's when

Thomas Farms at the wine shop why isn't cheese stop is I mean it's a very chill like we're like just we're like just speaking of wine do we have any more wine? Yeah and you know like I mean like older ladies work there you know yeah pass it yeah pass it down yeah pass it down so we were old ladies work there you know it's a very chill vibe it's a family spot and then thanks man and then a gentleman that's

thank you try to walk in the shop you know how it's like doors are like big it's like you just walk in that little hallway yeah um the dude like look like our age he didn't look like disabled he looked like a well-abled young gentleman yeah

and uh you tell that he was like trying to use that piece of news you just heard to like whatever he was trying to push so you're trying to walk in the store without a mask and there's older women in the store like these are and

and this dude like threw a fit like a little kid and had like this paper in his hand like oh he'd probably print out some like stupid paper I mean I don't know what it was and I was like oh it's so shock what's going on I just ignored him I'm like this know what has happened he's yelling at older women

right now. Yeah. It's like, I'm gonna you guys shut down. You know, you guys, you guys can't make me wear a mask or something to like that that, you know, same subject. I'm like, but saying stuff you probably shouldn't be saying, especially at your age. He looked like R.A's healthy young man. He's probably trying to push, you know,

his agenda or something. It was super strange. And I'm like, I'm like, this is actually the virus. You're just, people like, making people react that way. That is for sure the bigger viruses. People, the media

you know twist in every sort of thing like yeah that's the bigger virus and it's just be respectful to people that's all I say I respect if

hey if you don't agree this way or this is the way you think this is the way I think or you don't want to wear a mask or you do want to wear a mask like that's fine but it's like we're all

we all got to go to the same place we all got to live in the same world Yeah. Just be courteous to people. You know what I mean? I see a lot of old people walking around all the time, double masks today, even. I was out, went somewhere to get some food. There's a couple old people double masked, staying away from everybody.

Like, if you hate masks and you're just so like, ah, screw that, they're taking my freedoms. Like, just think of those people. Like, they really are scared. Like, just be a compassionate person. And like, either don't go in there or put it. on math like you know like i said earlier i don't think the government should be involved and force it like it shouldn't be a federal law but you know at the discretion of your own businesses it's the business it should be up to the business if you're a barbershop and you say you have to

wear a mask then if you want to get your haircut there you got to wear a mask yeah there's there there should maybe be another barbershop that is anti-mask and go get your hair cut there or whatever like it sucks but it's the world we're in nobody wants to wear a mask i don't want to wear a mask? I want this to be over with. Yeah. And, you know, it's just it's a lose-lose. There's no nobody's, there's not one one side that's right. There's

and you just, everyone bickers back and forth about this or that and it's just like, can we all just get along? Can I always get along? I've always like, I always had a scene in my head. Every since like everything the first started happening, I'm like, let's say, wearing a mask

turns out scientifically to not work I'm fine on that if Slipmont could do it during OzFest on the summertime for an hour I could put a mask on for 10 minutes and walk in a store be totally cool in an air-conditioned store right or wrong

I'm respecting myself and more importantly the people around me and their family is back home that they got to go to if Slim Mock can do it and a blistering sun in Texas and Arizona for an hour I could do this for a few minutes Yeah, exactly.

The right of the day. It's so easy and right or wrong, scientifically, normally knows yet. So, I mean, it's so easy. I mean, you get the mask in my pocket, I walk in his store, put it on, go in and buy, I buy my, my racist peanut butter cups.

Yeah, dude. And then I walk out in shame, and then take my mask off and I eat them. And then, you know, it's so easy. Yeah. It takes literally no effort to do it. it takes no effort and there's always someone who could have a very bad time if they get it i i'm a healthy person i think if i got it i chances are i'd be completely fine like i said i might

have a little sore throat or something uh you know anything could happen but i would think chances are i'm not going to have a bad time with it but you can't just think about yourself think about other people like i said earlier i think about my dad he has a vaccine Yeah. It's fine, but I'd worry about him. You know, I'm sure you worry about your parents. Of course. I worry about my uncle.

Like I said, my uncle had a really bad time with it. I made me really extra worry. Like, yeah, I mean, nobody wants to wear him. And it's just, it's a tough conversation. It's a conversation that will bring up negativity on one side, positivity on the other. And there's just no right way of saying it other than just like, hey, people need the, people need to have the,

the freedom to make that choice for themselves, but you have to respect businesses. If businesses require it, and you, then you want to go there. You've got to listen to the rules. You know what I mean? 100%.

What? You know what? This is a way to live our lives. You know, what would Nate Diaz do? You know? I should wait, it's probably bad advice.

Yeah, that might. I don't know any idea is a stance on it, but he would probably slap somebody. He would just start walking and so he started slapping. He just started slapping. And he'd probably win. I don't want to get slapped by Nate Diaz. No way, dude.

Nate Diaz. A tap from that guy, it's like getting a punch pulling on from another person. Yeah. You know? I'd love to see McGregor versus DS3. That's definitely a big fight. It's a big fight. There's a lot of big fights.

I mean, any fight Connor does is going to be a big fight, but yeah i mean they're going to do uh mcgregor porreier three which would be good that was a good last fight it's good

I won some money on that fight did you yeah I didn't so my neighbor uh we went over to his house to watch the fights and uh Brooke came over to my neighbor's house

and we're all hanging out outside and uh my neighbor wanted to bet and he's like hey that's uh anyone want to bet on the fights and so like i'm thinking who because who was the under card it was okay so that was chanler's first ufc fight chandler versus oh yeah yeah hooker yeah so i'm going into this going i'm thinking hooker's going to win and i think mcgregor's going but my neighbor wants to bet so i was like uh i'll bet and he's like i want mcgregor and i want uh

hooker Oh. So I'm like, all right, whatever. Just for sake of betting. Yeah, just I wanted to bet. I like betting on UFC. Yeah. Like having fun with friends, you know, whatever.

So I'm like, all right, whatever. Like, that's fine. Like, I want McGregor to win. I mean, I love Dustin. But, I mean, and I wanted Dan Hooker to win. I didn't want, like, there's nothing against Michael Chandler, but just hopped into the UFC right away. like, you know, you fight a few guys first before getting the title shot, which he's getting now. But anyway, that's besides a point.

So anyway, I take him on his bed. I'm like, all right, cool. You literally are, I'm giving you the guys that I think are going to win and who I want to win. But it's, hey, it's anybody's bet in a UFC fight. You can be the top guy and you just get hit once wrong. Yeah. You get caught. That's it.

It's fascinating. So, yeah, both the guys got caught, and I won both. Wow. So I was like, all right, cool. up. And that was a good day. Not how I wanted it to turn out, but I walked home with some extra money. So, pretty sweet, huh? It was bittersweet. Yeah. It was cool. So yeah, they're going to do that trilogy, I think. It's smart for Dustin. Oh, yeah. He doesn't care about the type. I mean, he probably wants the title, but he's won in the red panty night. He wants the payday. He's like,

I'll take the, I'll take, you know, you know, when you five, McGregor getting paid good. Yeah. And I think he realizes, I mean, he could fight for a title at any moment, but a fight with Connor

is not going to be a... No, because Connor hops in and out of retirement all the time. You never know how serious he's going to be about it or when his last fight.

Yeah. Maybe. I mean, he's knocked down on the rankings pretty decently now where he, I feel like he's either going to get

a fire up ass and try to get his way back to the top and then retire at the top because you know in the back of your mind when you're that guy like you want to retire at the top sure like kabib did it best we all wanted to come back and fight again but like if you're kabib like you do what kabib did especially like listening to his like he's a man of his word you don't get in the way of that dude and is like yeah yeah when so when he said that He's like, no, mother says no more fight. I'm like, he means it.

He means it. I don't care what anyone says. He means it. But, uh, so I don't know. It would be interesting to see if Connor tries to pick back away at these guys and get to the top or he retires again after one more fight. And I hope he comes back, man. He was fucking weird about Connor is that when he was like overly like being nice to Dustin, that to me seem like not authentic. It was weird.

It was like, now like, don't, don't force the shit talk, but it was like, it feels like you're forcing this other side because you think you need to grow up or something. Yeah.

It's a weird, like. Because he's always had two sides. He either talks all the smack and, like, hypes it up all crazy, or he's been, like, super nice and respectful, like he was to Cowboy and also to Dustin and, like,

yeah. But, you know, I mean, he beat Cowboy, but, I saw, a lot of people saying like when Connor's nice he loses yeah what the heck man what the heck yeah i hope that uh that that that that showy happens it'll be great to see how because he he has to be

thinking about that he has to be it has to be so man was i too nice about that like just oh this well he tweeted like a week after that fight like no more mr nice guy at a boy bring him back baby yeah so i don't know we'll see there's a lot of uh this year's had a lot of a lot of uh this year's had a lot of good fights already, a lot of unsuspected outcomes. The last fight was great. Francis and Ghana, did you watch that? Oh, geez, dude. Oh, my gosh. We went to

me and Cece and and some good friends. We went to the Dos Lagos Theater. Oh, and watched it there. I saw that they were advertising that, yeah. We were just there, we're going to get some food and like, they had to fight. And it was like, it was like 8 p.m. How sick was it watching an It's sick.

It was great. It was empty, too. There wasn't that many people in there. Yeah. You see a big screen and, oh, man, what a fight, man. How much was it? 20 bucks a ticket. That beats 70, 75 bucks a pay-per-view, I guess.

Yeah, on a bigger screen. Yeah, you go there. They have booze here and popcorn, so. I saw that. I was there at the Dos Lagos Theater with my dad, like, two days prior to that. So I saw the advertisements for, in Gronouin-U-Stipan. I was like, oh, that's, well, that's. cool they're having the fights here like that they should that's a good idea great yeah but yeah no i watched

it at home and that fight was i mean i wanted ingano to take it i love stepe but i was like in ganu's story did you story's great yeah did you listen to him on rogan yeah like talk of i mean that's insane story dude insane like for years trying to get out of like to get out of there by ocean and desert and just getting sent back and back like you want to want the guy to win. You wanted to have that story full circle. Yeah, that's a full circle story. That's full circle. And he is scary. You do not want to get hit with that hand. No, dude. Especially like, not only, he's scary now he's like, now he's more precise and smart, which is even scarier. Yeah, because he was patient during that fight. He was

fascinating. He was like, because he just, he runs through people. But that fight he was patient. You got to be patient with steep. He's smart. Yeah. You know, he's going to pick you apart. And, uh, He did it in the second round. You just can't beat that power, though. If you connect right, you're done. He's... So sick, dude. He's a beast.

Beast, dude. I can't wait. Where's next bite? I cannot wait. John Jones, I hear. Yeah, we'll see. Hopefully. I'll watch it.

I will watch it too. That'll be interesting. Fucking... I'm a pretty cool. John Jones and Francis. Yeah. Oh, man. I...

Cool. John Jones is debatable but undefeated with I think he has one iffy loss So he's Undefeated to fight Francis Ngano Who's the scariest dude

Yeah That'd be a really good fight But he's also jumping up weight So then there's kind of that excuse Of if he loses it's like Well I'm still You know The goat

At this other weight level You know Sure Yeah, I hope that fight happens, man. It's cool. Yeah. If not, it'll be Derek Lewis. Two knockout artists, that...

Great too. That'd be great too. And Terry Lewis is a beautiful man as well. He is. Yeah, that's cool, man. Great. I follow him on Instagram. Every post he does...

He's okay. He posts, like, videos, and he's okay. And it's all these dudes, like, getting, like, annihilated, like, getting hit by a car or falling off a building or whatever. and it's with a it sounds bad but it's with good humor that's what's up man well shoot man i don't want to keep you for too long we're already going on record time record time record time right record time two hours two oh my yeah wow we are well over two hours yeah we're well over two hours my longest flound is for my parents has an hour of 40 we're party at uh

two 10 i i got maybe 30 minutes into that one today listening to mama and papa garza that's cool Yeah, I got to about where he was talking about playing the big places and his band he got together. Yeah. I never heard that. That's crazy. Dude, the whole story is crazy. You got to hear the whole thing. Yeah, I'm going to finish it tomorrow.

I started listening to it at like 3.45 today as I was driving home to then get ready to come here so I didn't have time to finish it. But I was like, I need to listen to this. And yeah. your parents are the sweetest dude is so cool they're they are special people man very I mean they're

I mean without my mom and dad I mean the band wouldn't exist dude their foundation is so so crucial you know for sure yeah it's

super special well well David thank you for being the top 10 guest literally like I mean you're huge help in honor that

that you came from from Texas to hang out with their family and made time to you come down here. Anytime. I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me. It's cool, man. Appreciate it, man.

It's awesome. Yeah. Do you have anything? Where can people find you? Where can people find the band? What do you guys got coming up? Yeah. Follow us, I mean, on Instagram in Penning Doom or follow me.

My Instagram tag is cut X through. You can follow that. We're going to be doing lots of stuff. Cool. yeah cool uh no release dates for the not yeah but it's looking like end of summer cool right now so uh EP's getting mixed and mastered right now nice and uh it's taking a long time but we're we're trying as fast as we can to get it out there it's worth it man there's so much we even talk about I'm pumped there's so much I had I had some some questions

so when we're we could do it again another time part two you know when you're you know when your good friends. We could do this for five hours, I'm sure. I did not think this was two hours. I thought we were at least an hour, maybe an hour in. Yeah. Oh, do you worry. We are record time officially.

Well, David. Cheers to that. Love you, man. Until next time, thank you. Thank you for having me. Later. Later. Cheers.

Cheers. What's up, everybody's. I want to say thank you to everyone that's been listening, watching, and being on this journey with me and starting this. very, very new thing. Quick announcement. Kind of a main criticism I've been getting from people about the podcast is, Hey, Garza, where's the music?

And I'm well aware of that, so I'm going to announce it here. I'm going to Sin City, the beautiful Las Vegas next week to lay down this track that I've been working on for a while with actually other members of Suicide Silence. So there'll be music Hopefully We're in April now Hopefully by the end of April We will have music

On the podcast And you'll hear the music here first Before I officially Released the full song later So yeah I announced it here first Again thank you for being on this journey with me I'm also here to announce that

We got our future guests You know It's starting to happen Getting people on the podcast that I've been fans of since I was a child, so transparently I'm, you know, pretty nervous about it, but I'm also very excited to share with you some cool episodes in the future.

If you can, pick up some merch, if not, that's cool, too. Just thank you for your time. And again, being a part of this whole crazy journey. And well, until next time, be safe out there. Later.