Garza Podcast - 81 - FIT FOR AN AUTOPSY: Sacrifice, Fatherhood, Lamb of God & Future of Extreme Metal

Episode Date: June 5, 2023

Garza sits down with Jersey City, NJ deathcore band Fit For An Autopsy. https://www.fitforanautopsy.co SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB FFAA is: Joe Badolato - Vocals Will Putney - Guitar Pat Sheridan - Guitar Josean Orta - Drums Tim Howley - Guitar Peter Spinazola - Bass TIME CODES: 00:00 - Keanu Reeves is Nice AF 04:19 - Traveling to Shows in the Early Days 06:32 - Josean Joining the Band 11:15 - Joe Bad Joining the Band 17:20 - New Dynamics in the FFAA Sound 20:35 - Personal Dynamics, Family Sacrifice & Support 30:46 - Joe Filling in For Lamb of God 36:55 - Feeling Like You Belong & Going All In 42:08 - Persevering & Progress Through Hardship 44:53 - Gaining New Perspectives Through Traveling the World 50:20 - Learning a New Language 54:55 - New Album (Oh, What the Future Holds) & Touring With The Acacia Strain, Full of Hell, Primitive Man 01:03:02 - Metal Crossover Into Mainstream 01:05:40 - Where Deathcore is Heading, Being Professional & Grateful 01:16:20 - “Fire From Heaven” Writing Process 01:19:10 - Fatherhood & Family 01:28:00 - Thoughts on Heaven, Dark Side of People

The Hoseon story's crazy. And I don't know if a lot of people know about it, but it's a really good story. A true success story like this dude.

It's been my only plan. He left everything that he had. I didn't have a drum set or anything at the time. So I just showed up to the audition. Got it.

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any music gear, support the podcast by using the link in the description and comment section below. Are we going to break edge today? What's up? I'll tell you what.

There's two ways I'll break edge. Okay. Death? No. That's a good one. If somebody tells me they'll give my kid $50 million, I'll do drugs. So I'll take $50 million.

Yeah, because he'll be set up for the rest of his life and I'm a piece of shit anyway, so who the fuck cares? And at that point, I'd be sacrificing myself for my kids, so I would do it. Also, if the joke was good. But it would have to be the best joke. It would have to be like a joke. joke that could never be goof, like the best goof that ever happened. You really put that into the $50 million.

$50 million. Set my kid up for the rest of his life. Is that, is that what $50 million looks like? That's what $50 million looks like. You need a house for that. Yeah. You need like, do you guys ever see the, what is it, John Wick 3 when he lights all that money on fire?

Oh, I love John Wiggs, dude. I was very upset. Wanjik. I still have never seen a single John Wig. You're fucking killing you. I know. And I love him as an actor. He's beautiful.

He's my, he's my, one of the one of the movie. of my man crushes him and Jason Statham. I would make sweet, sweet love. He's awesome. Okay. What a beautiful person. John Wick. Is John Wick three?

Is that the one where... God, I'm sorry. Which one is the one that they kill his dog? Three? That's the first one. That's what starts the whole thing. Oh, I'm sorry. Don't fucking listen to me.

The very first scene in the very first movie, dude. Shut up. Edit that out. Just make me say the first one. Oh, my goodness. No, I don't. I don't think I would ever sell out. No, that's it.

The little puppy. Look at that puppy. It's so sad, dude. That's the puppy that gets murdered, dude. Understandable why he went off. Now I know. So, yeah, we're trying not to spoil for the people that watch. I don't even want to watch it anymore.

You're going to kill that fucking dog. Yeah, that's the, that's the murder fuel for the whole movie. That's the whole thing. Yeah. Like, you don't blame him. Kill de man with the pencil? You know what I mean? Like, it's a pretty serious business.

So that, that dog was the last gift that of John wife. Yeah, so John Wick's wife dies. Yes. And she, in her parting before she goes, she sets it up to have the dog delivered to him. Okay. With a letter saying, I know you're going to need somebody. So this is a piece of me. So essentially, these people killed the very last presence of his wife on earth. There's so much tied into it. It's a pretty deep movie. And then there's no dialogue and everybody dies. So it's like everything I like. You know what I mean? It's super action-filled. And I'll support Keanu Reeves, no matter what, everything I hear about him and he's like a pretty good human.

So I enjoy him and he's beautiful. So many cute dogs. He's a beautiful man and you only hear like good things about him. Yeah, never heard anything too bad about him. You know, he plays bass in a band. That's probably the worst part about it. I was just going to say dog star. Dog star. Dog star, yeah.

You want to know what? Yeah. It's like a rock band. He's been doing it since like early 90s. I mean, listen, Keanu Reeves, if you happen to hear this, I would love to shake your head. Yeah, let's tour regardless of Qaeda. You guys got to do a tour. Oh, there is. Oh, fuck. There is, dude.

Fucking bass player. Ripper. Dogstar. Yeah. Ooh, look at that. Ooh, you can see the attitude. Yeah, dude. I mean, he's in the,

that's what matters. He's got the stance and everything. Like the shoulders out a little bit? Yeah, the bass player's stup. Oh, look. Good look. Yeah, dude. Yeah.

So is Dogstar a good band? He looks like he could be in leeway in all those pictures. And for those of you that don't know, leeway is a New York hardcore band. Leeway. Not familiar. You should know about that, man. Yeah, bullshit.

Yeah, because you guys started in Jersey City, correct? Yeah, I mean, technically the band is based out of Jersey. Kind of all over. I was like New Ponsorgaria. Will was in Jersey City. So we just chose Jersey City as the starting point. Middle ground. Yeah, the mecca.

Yeah. Of fit for an autopsy. So do you just say Jersey? Just Jersey. Yeah. Or East Coast. I just say the East Coast because we're all up the East Coast. I live in Charlotte now, but I was in New York forever.

Yeah. I'm in Atlanta now. Blues in Boston. Hosse lives in fucking Puerto Rico. That's us off the grid as you can get through. Yeah, he's back in San Juan. Tim lives in Long Island and Will is still in New Jersey. You guys are all over.

Yeah, more or less. Lots of flying. Yeah. Especially for you. Yeah, everything I want to do. I have to get on a plane. Everything. Anything.

How do you see shows? When I'm up here. There shows in Puerto Rico, bro. They have shows in Puerto Rico, but. surprised. They have people and everything. Oh, what? You guys have food and water? Sometimes. Sometimes. Careful.

Sometimes. Sometimes. I just see a lot of shows up here. You know how it is when we tour and on festivals. And if I'm in New York for a few days, because we're going to practice and then I see a few. So I get spoiled. The crazy thing is, is that Hosey and I have been at the same show since the early 2000s. He's been flying to the States with his friends. Yeah.

Even before I was 18, I was. flying. And I'm a big fan, well, maybe not now because I'm old as shit, but when I was a kid, I was a big fan of traveling for shows. I know Blue was. I don't know if Joe did, we never really talk about it too much with Joe, but like I would travel up and down the East Coast. So we would be at all these shows hosting them would fly in. I had friends in Puerto Rico that will ask my parents for permission because they were older and I wasn't. I was maybe 15 or 16 and they will bring me up here to the Hellfest and different festivals. And that's what sparked everything for me.

And I remember him from those days. Sorry. Even before you met Pat, you knew what he was capable of in the Northeast. Yes. Stop it. But yeah, I flew with a lot of friends for many years before I decided to move and join a band. But that's what sparked it for me. The Hocene story is crazy, and I don't know if a lot of people know about it, but it's a really good story.

And I met Hoseon because of the tattoo industry. So he worked for a guy that I knew, and he needed a ride to a convention. And we had just released, I think, process, process human extermination, our first record. So this guy, Ken, that we both knew, he asked me to pick him up and drive him out because he was going to be working the convention. So I picked him up, and we just talked about music the whole time, and Hoseon ate a weed cookie and got baked. And we just laughed. the whole way there. We hit it off immediately.

And then our current drummer, our drummer at that time, Brian, he decided he didn't want to tour. So I was like, what the fuck am I going to do? And then I remembered Hosian, and then I called them. And I was like, hey, man, what are you doing this summer?

You want to go on tour for six weeks? And that was the summer slaughtered survivors tour. And the dude learned our set in like 14 minutes. He came in, he knew everything like that. I'll tell you how I learned it because it's cool. Yeah. I was working. I had to travel from a community.

from New Jersey to Queens, New York, and I had no car, I had just moved there. So I had three hours each way on the subway, New York subway, by myself. So he gave me a call. They sent me the tracks or whatever it was. And I had my whatever piece of thing I had to listen to music at the time. And I learned it in the subway, like a maniac air drumming, like all those crazy videos of someone being crazy in the subway. I was doing that. it. A hundred percent.

Subway creatures. I learned their music like that. I didn't have a drum set or anything at the time. So I just showed up to the audition. Got it. Got it.

Immediately. Listen, man. There's not a lot of people I've clicked with in like a studio setting that way. This dude. But it only tells you how hungry I was at the time

because I was like, I can learn this. I have three hours each way. So that's six hours one day. I can learn this shit. Yeah. And I, I faked it. It wasn't perfect, but...

Blaspey here, double base here, break down here. Whatever. As a drummer, I chose to do the things I will impress people in a room immediately, you know? Double bass, the blast beats, the speed, the power. And, you know, the guys knew that I needed time, but they were like, yeah, if you can do this, let's try it. And the craziest thing is, like, think about that story. He's from Puerto Rico, and I didn't know at the time, because I've never really spent a lot of time for somebody who came from like San Juan originally.

So like we had a lot of talks about how hard it is to get, you know, picked up in the music industry, go on tour, do all those things. So he literally, the year before I think, right? You were here for a year? He left San Juan, left his family, comforts of home,

moved into an apartment with a buddy, struggled to make enough money so he could join a band. It's like a true success story like this dude. It's been my only plan. He left everything that he had, his family, everybody he loves, to come here and live in a,

the fucking apartment in Montclair, New Jersey, and, you know, try to join a band. And he had joined another pretty predominant New York hardcore band, but it didn't work out. And then we got lucky, we scooped him up, you know. I mean, and the same can be said, I mean, the craziest thing about this band is,

me and Will are the last two original, right? You and I knew each other as my band started, 2007, 2008. And our story meeting is great, too. We'll talk about that. But Blue, Joe, and Hoseon all rounded out this band, in a way that I didn't expect. Like Blue has made me a better guitar player

by just forcing me to have to play better. You know, and, you know, Tim also, who's not here, he's, you know, being Mr. Super Ibanez guy right now. But he's another guy. Like, incredible guitar player forcing me to get better. Hoseon, it's like having a battering ram behind you. And Joe gave us all these dynamics to the band that we never thought we had. We didn't just have to be a death metal band anymore.

We could explore or death core, whatever the fuck everybody wants to call it. We could explore all these different things that we love. You know, post-rock influence, post-hardcore influence, like deathcore, metal, whatever we could do because Joe's got a bag of tricks that our other singer didn't have. So, like, to be the, you know, last man standing on tour from, you know, the beginnings of the band, it's kind of awesome to, like, have all these guys and all their stories. I mean, blues and a hundred death metal bands over the years and grindcore bands and all this stuff. And, you know, now we have him to, like, round out the tone of the band. It's a totally different animal. You know what I mean?

And you know what it's like to replace people and have to deal with that. So it's hard sometimes to believe that it's going to work. So when it does, it's pretty incredible. You know what I mean? So we're lucky. Yeah. And then they go from like Nate Johnson and then you had Greg in for like a quick second. And then you finally get Joe for Joe Abad, which is a great, a great name.

Oh, yeah. I literally have just been called it. Trademark. Well, I mean, it's his damn last name. His last name is Battilado. I know, but yeah. It's been set up for greatness. I mean, but all the, all the, like, kids in school didn't know how to say my last name and the teachers.

So they just, like, you know how, like, you go to, like, the nurse's office and it usually shows the first three in the last three. Oh. It was always just Joe bad on my paperwork. So it was just Joe bad. Is it you're lucky? There's nothing, nothing cool, no cool story about it. It just chose the first three in the last three. It was ordained.

You won on this deal because I was 400 pounds and my name rhymes with fat. Yeah. Yes. I mean, that's how I knew you. It is a very catchy brand. Yeah, I'm okay with it, too. I'll stick with it, bro. Forever.

It kind of sucks. It sounds like some names just like just stick with you. It doesn't bother me, man. You pour in coffee in a shot glass. She's so stoked on this right now. Just so people tell you, this is, I ran out of coffee much. This is not alcohol. This is not alcohol.

It looks like shots a Yeager at like 11 in the morning. It's actually a Yeager in a coffee. This is pure Yeager, you fucks. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's pretty awesome. I mean, it's weird to be here right now, like where we're at as a band. And I firmly believe, and I know Will believes it too, that if each change didn't happen when it happened, and as organically as it happened, we wouldn't be doing what we're doing right now. And everybody having like a real story.

I mean, Hoseon came in the band when we're making like $100 a day. You know what I mean? And then Joe's first tour was with you guys with the band. When we did that tour with you guys in a mirror. That was your first tour? That was my very first tour ever. With fit. I know that.

Ever in general. That was my very first tour. We showed up at line check and had literally had to play. That was the show at Asa Spades. Percilla. Because our old Van Priscilla broke down. Priscilla died halfway through and then Green Vins. St. Louis.

And we had to have somebody, man, crazy story, man. We played a one-off in St. Louis on the way out. to that tour and the van broke down. And we had to have somebody bring green vans down, Andy from Green Vans like saved our ass. That's it. Suicide, silence, a mirror fit for an autopsy within the ruins. That was a great lineup. That was a very fun lineup.

So we did that tour. March, it's 2015, yeah. And so that's Joe's first tour with the band. Eight years. Imagine that. Was that eight years now? Jesus. My first tour with the band was like in somebody's basement.

Joe's first tour in the band was with you guys. he fucking won on that deal well I also ate shit for ever just being in local bands forever people who just didn't want to like leave their jobs or like do the thing I was surrounded by people that were comfortable being home living in Long Island

and mom's house and probably fucking still are so it's like I would rather be homeless trying to fucking do my job and like do the thing and I got the phone call randomly from them while I was cutting my bass player's hair at the time, complaining to him that he's a bitch for not wanting to leave his job.

I was like, you're a bitch. We can go do this fucking weekend thing, but you don't want to fucking lose your job at Guitar Center. It's like, dude, fuck that. And then I get a phone call from Pat, and I was like, Jesus Christ. Well, fuck you guys. I'll see you later.

I wish you guys could have been in the background when that decision was made, too. It was fucking hilarious. Because Tim and Joe have been friends for years. And I'm like struggling with Will to find someone that can do the job. That's stressful, dude. It sucks. It's so much.

And like, Greg was nice dude or whatever, but, like, it just wasn't lining up and didn't work out. Sometimes he just don't click with people. It happens. And then we took a person on tour that was certainly not the right position for the job at the time. It just wasn't ever going to work. So I'm like in a sprinter van in Australia. And Tim's like, oh, I want you to hear my friends record?

or whatever and he puts on Joe and I hear this br-h. I'm like, what the fuck is that guy? Like, why can't we have that guy? And he goes, I know that dude. I was like, Tim, what are you? And he will go, he'll go, no, bro, that's not what. But dad is what happened. I threw something across the sprinter.

I was like, call that guy. I sent the song to Will and within a week, he was in the studio. After I got up the phone with you, I got on the phone with Will. Yeah. And he's like, how quick can you get into a studio? I was like, tomorrow. No, I literally was like, I'll leave right now and go to a studio.

So I went to a studio. He sent me travelers. He said, just send it raw. So I sent it raw. 15 minutes later, I get a phone call. Can you meet us this weekend? I was like, yeah. What were you thinking?

What the fuck? Really? Let's go! I was just super bump because like my, like when I heard process, I also heard the EP. Was it Hell on Earth? Hell on Earth. Yeah.

When I heard like the original demo version of the Jackal, And I was like, yo, this sounds so sick. And then I heard Hellbound. Bill Meese, their publicist at the time, I was cutting his hair. And he brought in, like, a bunch of albums. And he gave me Fiffer and Autopsies. Hellbound album. And I was like, all right, I'm going to go check this shit out because I heard the other shit before.

And then I listened to it. And I was like, yo, this dude, his voice is so crazy. So he was a huge influence for me with like that crazy, angry tone. But then to like literally learn the entire album and just be so obsessed with that album and to be called to do karaoke for it for a few years was kind of sick. It felt like fit for an autopsy karaoke. I was like, I get to tour on the Hellbound record for a little bit. That's cool. But then we were releasing Absolute Hope, Absolute Hell.

Yeah. Which was a game changer record for us. Yeah. I was very sick when I recorded that record too. You guys, yes. I mean, there's always like something on one of our records that makes me feel like, fuck, are we, are we doing this? Are we going to do this? Like, is this a thing?

Like, Napalm Dreams was one. And Two Towers was another. Like, but they're all my favorite songs from the band. Yeah. It's just like, is our fan base ready for us to make a pretty brutal hard change, you know? That's the word. Plus, the sound's a little bit different, not to what makes you worry, but then you have, you're bringing in like a new, a new singer. And you're like, like, you have like this.

Yeah. We're going to, this is over. This is it. Bullshit clean singer. This is garbage. Yeah. Every, like. Death metal nerd pushing their glasses up, judging us because we have clean singing, you know what I mean?

And also, and the song that you guys chose was to me interesting because it has like this buildup. Which, which song? It's an absolute hope. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's the title track. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's the first song that you dropped. It kind of has this build up to it.

Yeah, it's real. You're not sure what direction it's going to go in. And I feel that way about far from heaven. I feel that way about two towers. like two towers to me has become like my favorite song to play live because it's got so much weird dynamic in the beginning you know what I mean?

That was the first music video I ever did and like yeah I had the uncut but yeah they had that hair class sick he had the Jesse Leach dude so it was it was crazy because like all that black stuff that's on me it's literally finger paint and water and there was just a dude on a ladder who almost fell off

the ladder multiple times just standing above pouring it and I was like it's so cold yeah it was so cool crazy. And then I sat out like I was like all right how do I get this off and then Tim got really excited and just held a hose and had like this really fucked up look in his face and I sat outside and it was like a Billy Madison it was like a Billy Madison thing. I just sat there Indian style he's just sitting there hitting my face with it. Who are you? Who are you? Who are you? He's just hitting me in the face with it over and over. Look at Tim. Oh, man. Boom. Yeah. That first picture is him sitting out the podcast. Look at that beer. Look at that beer. though. Just sit, that was it,

that was it, was that, was that a, we should have made a statue of Tim. Shout out to Tim, great guy, man. There's a million statues of Tim, dude, those little gnome statues that you're playing in front of us. Oh, my God. I mean,

I mean, look at them, bro. How do you, how do you do that with your beard? I don't know, man. That's impressive. It's called laziness, dude. Yeah, don't give him any credit. He just doesn't fucking do anything. He promised his mom, like, after,

She's like for prom, will you just cut this off for me? He's like, yeah, but you never asked me to shave it again. And then there's him being an adult about it. Oh, that's a trick. What a weird, what a weird one. What a weird group of eclectic weird dudes. I love the, I love his little gunpoint. God damn.

What you got to do is. Hey, hey, they, hey, they join your band. You fucking chose him. This is what, no, I love Tim. This is the thumbnail for the podcast It's just Tim pointing. I love it. Yeah, dude.

Yeah, brother. I see another, another shot of Yeager real quick. Yeah. Oh, my goodness, dude. My goodness. I mean, it sounds, Pat, like you just, I mean, kind of like attract, like, the right people for the band.

I mean, the, the hardest part about anything, and it's like having a relationship with six people at this point. You know what I mean? Because you're married. You love them. Spend more time with your bandmates than you do your significant others and families. A million percent.

And you want to cultivate the relationship, but sometimes that's hard, right? Different personalities. I'm a very abrasive person. I know that. So I got to try to change. Some people can deal with it. Some people can't, but these guys get it. You know what I mean?

And they understand that it took a while. I mean, I used to be very difficult, even more difficult than I am now. And I had to change, you know. And sometimes it takes getting the right group of people. people to make you realize it's worth doing that for. I know Joe, and I've talked about that, Hosey and I, and I'll only use myself as an example, but

everybody in these situations in a band situation has to make sacrifices and changes in order to live in a van, bus, wagon trailer with six other, five other people, and then you start hiring crew members. You have to change again, and the dynamic

becomes different. So, I got very lucky. I have a group of people that want it for the right reasons, and We all understand each other's downfalls, and it's taken a few years, but I think this is the best version that we've ever been. We have a great crew, too. Yeah, we have an awesome crew. We're fortunate. Yeah.

We're very lucky. There's no nonsense right now. So it's just grow and do the good shows, and the worst thing that happens is we get down on each other for maybe not playing tight. But there's no more bullshit. Just because we love what we do. Right. Like, if I have a bad show, I'm the first person to raise my hand now. You know, I say, host you and how was your show?

You go, eh? Can I laugh? And then we move. We move on. He's like, I played the parts. So it is very good. And Will is, you know, Will steers the ship, man. He's main contributor for music and he's, you know, our management.

And he's become more understanding to our plate as things go on. And like, it's getting better and better. So, and a lot of that has to do with the fact that we have more people paying attention and more ability. You know, more people are allowing us to do our jobs in, you know, bigger positions. And, you know, we're all older. If we were in our early 20s, we might not be as humble about it. We might not be as excited about it because at 47, my band is starting to break. Like, that's a crazy phenomenon.

It probably doesn't hurt us that we have so much collective experience down the line. We're not just a bunch of kids in our 20s trying to grind and do this right now. I think we have a lot of collective experience. Different appreciation. We're really focused. Yeah. You know, I mean, we're really focused. I mean, we all have these lives at home now being passed.

Once you pass 35, right? Joe, I think you're the youngest, right? Joe, you're 33, yeah. Right. So Joe's at that point in his life now where anybody that's, and God, I'm going to sound like my parents, but anybody that's over 35, you hit this point where, like, you start looking at your life different, and it things, values of things change above everything else. And I value this.

I value my family on kind of an equal level. at this point. You know what I mean? And like it's just hard. It's hard to explain to people. Like if it didn't happen, I wouldn't miss it because it never would have happened. But at 47 years old to have this happening right now, I have to take every move that I can to make sure that it's being applied in the right way for the band

and for my family, who is all of our families who are sacrificing. Joe's lady, Hosians lady, blues lady, all the people at home that are sacrificing their time with us for us to be able to do this job. A lot of people will say, and I say to my wife, like I wouldn't be able to do this if you didn't give me the ability to. Of course, dude.

But all of us know what it's like to be with a significant other that does not want us to do what we do. So it really is. And it can ruin your career. So to have supportive people, like we're all very lucky. So right.

You're on your head too. Yeah. Because what if this is all you are or what you think you are. And to like to give somebody imagine being in a relationship with somebody and actually loving them. and having them hate you for your talent.

Like, this is something that bands don't talk about, right? But imagine being in love with somebody, or even your family, your parents, and they hate you because you do this thing. And it's a thing that generates this weird culture in the background with relationships, and it actually breaks band people. Like, I know people that have become alcoholics,

drug addicts had to fix their lives because they felt so guilty about having a talent and being away from people that don't have the ability to have that kind of talent. So if you're in a relationship with a person that goes on tour, just remember not only are you supporting their project, but you're supporting their talent, you're supporting their dream.

And when you start hindering a person from that, it creates such a bad mental place. You know what I mean? Terrible. My wife is a fucking saint. Like she puts up with my bullshit. She lets me tour. A lot of bullshit.

Yeah, a lot of bullshit. I'm broken as fuck You know Jess is a beautiful soul man Yeah she is and she's fixed a lot of bad shit about me man Like I talk about it I feel you man I talk about it all the time you know

Like I was not a great person my whole life And it took meeting somebody who pointed out my faults And wasn't afraid to tell me what was wrong with me To make me want to better myself You know That's what we should be doing for each other You know what I mean So there's a lot of parts of touring and things like that

And I don't want to sound like Oh Playing in band It's so rad. It's the sickest job we could ever have. It's not sick, but it sucks the same time. Yeah. But there's a lot of things that people miss.

So we all have good relationships. We all have people that support us. You know, we're all in these positions now where we can do the right things. And thank you to all of the significant others that are involved with people and fit for an autopsy. Every single one of you people that support these folks in this band are helping the band to be able to do what we do. And that shit matters. You know, Kelly and fucking everybody. It's involved in the background that's helping out with all of us doing our jobs.

That shit matters to all of us. So thank you, Fit for an Autopsy Relationship Peoples for helping us out. Shout out. I love you. Shout out. To keep going and playing music, especially when you get older and aged, it does require some, some poking from like someone that loves you. And they'll say something like, oh, you know, you know that you do this.

And no point. And like a, they don't know that they know they're doing it, but it's like a deep insecurity. They're like, hey, you know, you know that you do this? You're like, no, I don't. But actually, once you think, like, oh, yeah, I do. God damn, you're taking good shots at me and I don't want to hear it right now. Yeah. These are all valid.

That hurts. You're so valid. This sucks. But man, it makes you a better person, man, when you listen to your, your girlfriend or your wife or someone that you're dating. My mom. Comes with age, bro. It comes to the age, unfortunately. When you're a kid, you think that everybody's out to get you.

Yeah. And then, you know, oh, you can't tell me what to do. I'm grown up. No, you're not. You're not fucking grown up. I know everything. I'm 17, dude. I know everything.

Come on. You know? But yeah, just all that poking, do you? I mean, my lady, we've been together almost four years. I mean, if I weren't with her, I mean, S.S. would not, sue would not be a ban anymore. Yeah. Totally.

I mean, just all those, like, poking and making you better. Then you got to, your ego is, you're forced to be humbled to. to like fix any of that shit you gotta be humble as fuck and it's a it's a journey so it's really cool to see that you guys have like that like you know support system that's strong backbone took a long time

I was gonna say we didn't have it the entire time but you know we're lucky to have it now yeah yeah it's not easy dating us I mean I went on my I went on my first tour my kid was five months old wow my wife is a champion dude she's champ five months old

I almost quit when we got signed to our first record label, she forced me not to quit. She was like, don't do it, you're going to resent me and the kid will figure it out. That's the sickest thing ever. She said that to you? She said that to me. Yeah. And like, you know, everybody's like, oh, you talk about your girl and you're goddamn right, I do. Yeah, because she's awesome. Our relationship's great. And like,

she gives me the ability to do this. And anybody in a band that lies and says, nobody tells me how to live. You're full of shit. Because you have a kid with a woman that you care about, you are going to have certain limitations. And she really believes in the band. She came to one of our shows and cried while we played because the room was packed and it went crazy and like She is a member of this band just like every other Woman that dates any man in this band person that dates any person in this band They are part of our band because they support us and give us the ability You're right I do I do agree agree with that like no one really sees like who's actually

In the band Yeah or I mean talk about any like even if you have like a office job or like I mean normally knows What is what's behind you have you have ten you have like at least 10 members yeah yeah at least at least that's only people that get paid let's talk about the people like

that don't get paid yeah you know it's crazy yeah we need we need that fucking support system it's nuts I mean even promoters from club to club do things to help your band they're as much a part of the band as your booking agent and other things people want to have you there that matters you know the relationships you develop

over time you know people and other bands that believe in you know I mean guys like Matt Heathie and Randy Blythe and all these people that have come up and like giving us a little pat on the ass and been like come come do this thing with us and it's like that's incredible too who the fuck would I ever thought you know what I mean so you know you know because you were there and you heard the side project we're not going to do anything with this it's just going to be a thing and here we are you know almost 14 years later six record in yeah talking about touring with Lamb of God and Trivium and just popping fuck that's crazy who cared about us then like no one now it's crazy so we're very very lucky. Joe, bad, that must be a trip for you, like, getting, like, that phone call. Oh, man. And then go, going from that phone call now, like, he's, you start popping and, like, age, you know, 33.

Yeah. You know. It's like, what the hell? I was so surprised when I got that call because it was, like, the day before me and my lady's first year anniversary. And then I get a phone call for Matt Heafi on FaceTime. And I was like, you never FaceTime me? It must be important. He's like, can you help Lamb of God?

I was like, what, do they need, like, a mic tech? You need me carry a microphone or something like that? And he's like, no, no, I'm like, dead serious. Like, can you fill in for like a day to possibly three days? I was like, uh, I leave for Europe in a week. Let me call you right back. So I got on the phone with Will or I tried to call Will. He didn't answer.

I called Pat. He's like, what's up? I'm like, I don't know what to do. Lama God just hit me up. What are we just saying? And then he's like, what? I'm like, yes, that's what I'm saying? What?

And he's like, did you call Will? I was like, I tried. He didn't answer. I was like, I'll call you right back. I'll go right back. And then Will was like, sorry, I was tracking. You should have just texted me and said this. Holy shit.

Go do it. Three days. If you need three days, whatever. We'll see you at practice afterwards. I was like, holy shit. So I had 16 hours to prepare. 16 hours. From the time that they called me to the time I was on stage was 60 hours.

Yeah. And I had to learn. I knew the majority of the set because me and Mark made the set list for that day. And I had to. I did black label. I was so excited. Yeah. But yeah, I had 16 hours to prep for that.

And my lady ended up flying out with me because it was our anniversary day on that day. And she wrote all these cue cards with all the lyrics for every song. And I had them on the monitor in front of me just in case as a guide if I fuck up or if I lose my spot. And it was so cool. But sometimes you kick a little too hard and you're like, ah, I don't remember this part. Okay, all right. What was that like when, like, you walked out on a stage? Oh, shit.

As soon as, like, they were like, all right, let's go to a stage. And, like, I got to the top of the steps and, like, I just, like, looked at the massive banner. I saw the explosive case in the corner. I see all the pyro sitting there. And all the guys are standing behind the drum set. And I'm just, like, frozen, just, like, soaking it all in. Like, this is so about to fucking happen right now. They called me behind the drum set.

And they were just like, Yeah, let's fucking do this. And they were so fucking cool, man. They were so supportive. They were so psyched that they were just going to play a show and that it was something different and that someone was psyched to do it. So after we were done, Mark came up.

He's like, dude, that was so much fun. That was so much fun. And they're just like the most loving dudes on the planet. And then Randy ended up coming out to visit us in New York when we played. And he just wanted to meet me. And I was like, you're so. Are you guys so nice? Like, what the fuck?

This is so cool. I mean, sometimes they say don't meet your heroes, but holy shit. They're great, man. And their whole crew is great. Like, we did, you know, the couple weeks of touring with them or whatever. We got fed three times. Three times a day. You do breakfast lunch and Danny was too.

That's how you have, man. This is our number one priority. We made it. There's eggs in the morning and coffee that doesn't taste like somebody's foot. This is incredible. That's when you know you're on, you're on big tour. I had pyro for the first time. That was sick.

The craziest thing about the Lamb of God thing was like, fit prides ourselves in being efficient. We like... Lyrics. You see it? I was like, uh, okay, yeah, yeah. And one of the things about our band...

You look good, you're bad. Yeah, he does see that. And it's Phil Demmel. Yeah, he does. Phil Demel was filling in on bass also. I forgot the old shit. Phil's the homie. So, like, when I got there, I was just like,

yo, this is so fun and so awesome. Phil's great. What a sweetheart. So we pride ourselves on like on stage, off stage, stick to our times. Whatever we're asked to do, we try to do it to the best of our ability. And their crew, I guess, caught on to how we do things. And that tour, because of the way we work, we were appreciated for that. And that doesn't always happen when you go out with bigger bands.

Sometimes it doesn't matter who you are. You're just like the flea on the back of the tail of the dog and you just get the hell out of the way and shut up. And we've experienced that a couple times. Yeah. Put your drums in a rain. don't you dare have a snare shot or we're going to throw you in the street, you know, that kind of stuff. Oh, yeah. And then we kick off the tour the last two days.

We're very fortunate that the crews that we've gotten to work with, like a Trivium crew, Arch Enemy crew. To kill Switch's crew. Killswit. Every big group we work with, it's, like Pat said, we are out, we're here to do the job to the best of our abilities. And when we have other sick crews out with us, it's as inspiring as a sick band on tour, you know. We never got told so many times that they were happy with the way that we did things.

So that feels good. You know, that's great. And those guys are all sick. Like, I get to talk to Mark all the time about, like, less pauls and, like, just bullshit about cool shit. And, like, I know, like, we've met, we've got the opportunity to meet a handful of people that are surprisingly nicer than we thought they would be. And I don't know if that's a new thing, because back in the day, it was pretty hard to be the new kid on the block touring with all these big bands. But the Trivium folks were amazing. amazing Arch Enemy people were amazing Kill Switch's team is amazing Lamont God I mean I could go on and on about all these great people that we've met and like people that have just come out to support the band simple to our crew was incredible yeah fucking Gary Holt hit us up on the internet and said your record's great like this is cool and then I message him and sent them all our records you know what I mean like that's crazy like you know it's important so this I guess this all goes back every time it's like a circle you know we go back to the idea of being older and really appreciating the

fact that we're getting this kind of support now. And I don't want to sound like super positive guy because I'm pretty miserable, but like this kind of stuff really matters. You know what I mean? Like it really does. And like it's cool. It's cool to be accepted. You guys have earned it. You know? And it's kind of a trip

how long it takes to be accepted. You need. It takes fucking six records, dude. Hey, life is going to life. Yeah. I don't know much else I'm good at. You know? Yeah, you got to put it all there, dude. It sucks. But fuck, it's crazy.

It's also fun to be, like, outside and see, like, another band just kind of pop off. Well, I mean, you know. It's sick. You make a lot of friends along the way. It's cool to watch people rise up, you know what I mean? Like, Lorna Shore's killing it right now. And we've known those guys forever. So it's kind of cool to watch those guys do their thing, you know, and kill it.

Yeah, I put local shows with them when I was way younger. I mean, it's kind of cool. Yeah, a long time ago. We, what, three years ago we did a headliner, maybe four? My first tour with Fit was with Lorna. They were direct for us, and now we would absolutely be direct to them. Because they're fucking massive. When I was tracking Absolute Hope, Austin was there.

Like, just hanging out in the studio. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that was my first record there. I met, there was so many people at that studio when I was tracking for that first day. I remember I was trekking one of the songs, and he was like, oh, those double kicks are sick. I'm like, who are you? Well, nice to meet you, man. And now they're the biggest fan in our genre.

He's like the sweetest he. I love Austin. He is a sweet house. Shout out, Austin, you're the man. Yeah, they're killing it. So, and all Warner Boys. He's just so fast, I don't get it. I can't play.

I can't play. My body doesn't move that fast. Yeah. Everybody's got their thing. Yeah, so did you want to put Joe under all the pressure? Listen by all these people in the studio and just have him watch Joe. It was like, tried by fire. That was so scary.

I was like, why are you guys doing this to me? CJ from the art was in there. Brendan from counterparts, Drew from Stray, Brian from Knocked Loose, and... What do you do? It's kind of like the normal crew

that would pass the belved, you though. Everyone was just hanging there. But this is what we're talking about. Like when you're looking from our perspective, it's just what we do every day because Will works with all those people, but from Joe's perspective, the guy that doesn't tour doesn't really know anybody's coming into this whole new world,

it's like, holy shit, what is going on here? Like, is this a joke? Like, am I being punked right? Right now, I'm sure he felt the stress of that. But like, for us, it's like, oh, yeah, you know, like, how ridiculous does this sound? I see is going to stop by the studio today to work on some stuff. It's like, oh, cool. You know, cool.

No big deal. So, you know, Will works with everyone. So it's just the pressure was there from the gate because that's just what that environment brings. You know what I mean? It was poor guy. I was so scared, but I was like, you know what? I mean, I'm here for a reason, right? Let's just do it.

And you killed it. That record's great. Rock and roll. You belong there, dude. Thank you. You know, it's cool. Thank you. It's so, it's just crazy.

I mean, like, you've seen the movie Rockstar? It's like the same feeling. The dude just wanted to be in that band. And I was like, I just want to be in fit. And then here I am. I'm in fit. See, kids, if you wish hard enough, we can ruin your life, too. Oh, my God.

To quote Zach. To quote Zach, to quote Zach Wild and Rockstar. Yeah. You're hanging with the hardcore now, brother. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. I did go from like my you know I was doing really good at barbering at that time and I was just like they were like hey so you don't care about throwing that shit away like you don't care about not making as much money as you are now and I'm like no I'll fucking be as broke as I have to if we have to if that's what it takes to get to be able to do those stages play in front of those people I'll fucking be as broke as you need me to whatever I can cut hair in the street and I can cut hair on the tour I can cut hair wherever so I'll make it work yeah that's sick go from making like lots of money to making no money.

Hell yeah. Metal band life. Then when it hit, you were just like, was, was that the right choice? I'm pretty fucking broke. Taco ball's great. I love Tebow's great. I love Tebow's. I love Tebowl.

It's great. You question me. And then you question that choice for a long time. I've made a horrible choice. Yeah. Sometimes you still question it. Did I make that? Honestly, I wouldn't take it back for anything. No.

It's like, and I look back at it and I'm like, I kind of like cherish those shitty times that I had because I was just like, you know what? Those were like, those were lessons that I learned to make me how I am today. Exactly. The ones, I'll only know, the ones you look at the most throughout your life are for some reason like the bad moments. For some reason, you always go back there more than like the pleasant ones. Nobody dwells on the happy times, dude. And everybody. Oh, it's so funny.

And, you know, it's funny. like the first time I met you, I think it was 2005. I think you guys were playing in Asbury Park and that promoter tried to not pay you. And I made sure he did. Appreciate that. Yeah, that's enough of that. And you got paid. And that was what started our friendship.

But that was a van tour for you guys. That was 2005. 2005. And, you know, look at it now. You know what I mean? The evolution. You know, you don't. if they're

how can I put this progress is the thing that keeps you there when you're like all right I'm ready to quit and they're like well you've been eating one peanut butter and jelly sandwich out of the back of a van for five years but now you can have two and you're like all right well I got two so maybe I'll stay for a couple of

well you're tired of two you know what you get a chicken sandwich or a tofu sandwich if that's your thing you know you you get you get something and you're like whoa wait a minute tofu fuck I'm sticking around for a little while. And they keep doing it to you.

It's like you can have a little more, a little more, a little more. It's always a little more. Just like a little baby. But it keeps you and you watch the people that aren't lifers fall to the wayside and said, the industry is bullshit. And they're like, well, you want more than what you're worth. And this is my good friend, Hoseans here. His wise words.

His wise words are, oh, there's 250 people here. Well, we're worth 250 people on a. Wednesday night in Mobile, Alabama, so suck it up and get up there and play the fucking show. And that's the deal. You know, you only get what you put in. That's life isn't for everybody. No, it's not. And the thing is, is if you're meant to do it through every hardship, and man, you know, every hardship you will find a way to keep the ship afloat if it's meant to be. Yes.

And I didn't believe that for a long time. And, you know, Blue and Hosie and always joke about the lifer thing. But, you know, you got to kind of be a piece of shit a little bit. and kind of be selfish to really make this work. And when I say that, I don't mean it in a bad way, like, oh, you're a piece of shit. But you have to be, like, willing to sacrifice things that other people are not willing to sacrifice in order to deal with the hardships that come with this life. That's been my story. I have incredible friends at home that are more talented than myself.

Yeah. But they're not willing to sleep in the floor for a limited amount of times. Yeah. It's just understandable. Yeah. For sure. For sure. That's it.

I'm not saying that smart or dumber. It's just they're not willing to sacrifice little things like that, you know, so. Yeah, there's some 16-year-old kid in Wichita, Kansas, that can play guitar better than every one of us. Of course. And that person will never tour because I'm not going to live in a van, you know? And it's a very interesting thing. You want to say it's entitled, but it's not. It's just smarter than us.

You know what I mean? Like, it's like being tattooed. People are like, didn't it hurt? And I'm like, yeah. And you're like, can you still do it? And then you think about that. And you're like, man, I do still do it. It's terrible.

Like, why do I keep doing this? But there's just a gift at the end of this that you can't explain to anybody. Like the show we played at Asa Spades yesterday, it was, it was like, it was insane. And like those kinds of things, yeah, it was perfect. And that kind of stuff is the, that's the gift. You know, having friends all over the world, being able to go travel and do all these cool things, getting to see different cultures and change your views on things just because you get a first world look at things, you know, three your own eyes. You change your views a lot.

A lot. Because you're there and you see it. And like, oh, you're forced to have a wider perspective. Yeah. Your scope of everything changes. I struggle with that with how the internet looks and what I perceive when I'm out there in different states or countries. And then I'm like, well, I just saw that in that common section. But when I travel, I don't see that.

I don't, you know, with bands, I never see the dark part or the negative part. It's like everyone's cool that shows. Everyone's there to enjoy their night. They don't care about the style or whatever. Yeah. So I don't, it changes often. It does. Yeah.

It does. And I mean, everybody talks about like, I mean, a perfect way to describe what we're talking about is people will talk about a country and they'll talk about the beauty of that country. Yeah. But then when you go there to tour, you're like, this is fucking terrible. Like, I don't think people really know what happens here. Like, this country's poor. these people are struggling. Like, this is very different.

Like, yeah, there's a corporate side to this. There's like your fancy places. And, you know, you go to the tourist attractions on the water. They're beautiful. But then you get out of that an hour outside of these cities. And you're like, man, these people are, you know, going to the bathroom in a hole in the ground. And, like, they can't afford to do all these things. And then they bring you there and they feed you what they can.

And they come to your shows and pay you use a month's worth of savings to come see your bandplay. And it humbles you in this way where you're like, God, this person. doesn't speak English. It's not their first language, but they're struggling to talk to you in your own language because you're too ignorant to learn these languages that these people speak, and they're giving you their time and their money that they barely have. Maybe it sucks to tour there, and we're a little jaded on it, but I mean, there's something special about that, too. You know? So you miss a lot of these things, and you don't experience that until you understand and actually firsthand get a chance to see it. You know what I mean? And the one thing that I've learned

more than anything, no matter where people are from, they want exactly the same thing. They want safety. They want their families to be happy. And they want comfort and they want to believe that they're going to live a good life and it's going to get better. Everywhere in the world. And no matter where you're from or what language you speak or what you believe, like that is a general consensus everywhere we've went. And governments and media will make you believe different things. But it's not the truth. You got to travel to see it. You know, so that's a really cool lesson that you get with this job. Yeah, it's funny.

I think we struggle with the same thing. You hear other people that they obviously don't speak English, but they're speaking English to you. I'm almost like, man, I wish I knew a different language, man. And they always said the same thing. I'm sorry how bad my, I'm sorry. Don't apologize to me. I speak English. I'm a product

of that. My first language is not English. It's Spanish or Spanish. and in Puerto Rico I opened for every international band that I could when I was a kid and I struggled to talk to them to tell them, hey, I love your music or whatever. But I learned English through listening to Slayer Records and sitting down with a dictionary because I wanted to connect because I liked the sound but I didn't know what they were saying. And then traveling, I wanted to meet my heroes. I didn't want to sound like an idiot either.

So I slowly grab the language and try to learn and absorb. And I listen to them often. And so it's, it doesn't matter. The music connects with everyone, man. You don't have to speak the same language. Just the sounds connect with people. You were reading a dictionary? I swear to you.

Man. Translating Pantera lyrics and fucking slayer lyrics. That is so nuts. So the next time you're at a fucking convenience store and some assholes giving somebody shit for having a hard time speaking English, tell them to go fuck off. Yeah. Because, you know, those people are struggling to learn this thing that they weren't born into, and who the fuck are you to get in the way of a person?

Putting more effort into you than they are. Like, fuck, you know what I mean? So like I said, those kinds of things teach you, you know what I mean? Seeing those things firsthand, like that matters. You know what I mean? Seeing a whole room of people that do not speak your language when we went to Japan. the communication barrier was terrible until the first note

and they were screaming our lyrics back in English and knew every fucking word I was so humble the only thing I have to say to people that travel with just be patient with the people struggling trying to talk to you because they mean that

they're just so nervous and they're trying to put the words together and it's not as easy as you think your rules don't apply to everyone we struggle I struggle with the language and I live with them imagine people that never get to meet people like us that look like us and they're losing their minds

and they just want to tell you how special you are but they're struggling don't be a dick and treat them like shit because they really mean that that's coming from me and what I experience on the road and you know you travel you get to experience it too I'm I apologize if I sound uh Ignorant, but how hard is it to not know English and then learn English? Because I only hear rumors how hard English is to actually learn. It's as hard as learning an instrument. You chose to play guitar, you learned it. Period.

You practice. If you don't practice, you lose it. Period. No excuses. If you want to learn how to be a plumber, you learn that, right? No one question is that. You go to school, you learn it. You want to learn how to do haircuts, you learn it.

But language is this difficult thing that people can figure out. It's like, not really. When we travel to Europe, you meet people that speak four or five languages. You go to the islands in the Caribbean, Dominican Republic, all inclusive hotels. Those people speak four languages. How? They need to. It's a tool, period.

Yeah, there's like this no, like, zero bullshit policy. You know? If you don't, some people need it more than others. True. you're right why do we do that to our brains we're like we just we just bullshit ourselves

ego comfort yeah it's 100% well also it's ego let's talk about this too we are raised in a culture where we have been fed to believe that

our language and country and the place that we're from is better than everything else in the world you don't need that you don't need that United States is the best America is the best our language is the best

so when you're taught that and you're fed that culture then why do I need that need to learn Spanish? Why do I need to learn Japanese? That's a big part of the language. That's a big thing. It's just more knowledge. It shouldn't be a negro thing. It's just more wisdom, more knowledge. It's just like our country. Sure, it's great. There's a lot of great things about our countries. There's a lot of bad things about our country, right? We can talk about that, but the people here are the same as the people in Europe. They're the same as the people in Dominican Republic.

They're the same as the people all over the world. We're all the same. It's a lot more insular in the states. You know, it's the bubble. When you go to Europe, that bubble does not exist. you travel an hour and you're in two different countries and with two different languages immediately. And people have had that access of different languages around them their whole life, so you just grew up to it. And if you're a kid, you just grab it all. A lot of people that live here, too, have never actually stepped outside the country to an area that doesn't speak their language and where they are the one that's weird. It's like, oh, you can't read, dude. I've never met.

Oh my goodness. Like, wow, yeah, I can't read that sign. I need to hold up this Google Translate thing. It's like, you'll see like some people laughing. And it's just like, shit, like, I know how I feel back home. Like, when I see someone, like, bitching about someone trying to speak the language. I'm like, I'm now that person here. Yeah.

It's crazy. Yeah, it's real easy to pretend that you don't care about something if it doesn't affect you in real time. It's true. You know what I mean? Like, you know, if you've never been, you know, kicked in the stomach, you don't know what it feels like when your friend gets kicked in the stomach until you feel it. And then you're like, shit, that's terrible. You know what I mean? That fucking sucks.

Yeah, that's awful. So, you know, we, again, these are all things that people may look at as like struggles, but it's really the craziest life lessons that you'll ever get. And like, I'm really thankful, you know, and like at our ages, like I've said, to be able to continue doing this. You know, because when your band pops when you're 25 and you have a lineage, it's really cool. But when your band pops when you're 45, you know, like I should be sitting in a rocking chair. Yeah, I'm about to be 38. So whenever I live home now, it's all business.

I'm here, too. I'm not fucking around. I'm with the band. This is our business. This is our project. I'm here for it. And if it ends one day and I'm with a different band, it will be the same mentality. Like, if I live home, all business is work.

I had my fuck around era already. Yeah. We have our fun young era and then we're just like, after that, it's not here. At this point, we say life is going to work. At this point, we say, Lifeers gonna life. It's just because we've been doing it so long. Sometimes we don't know what else to do.

I'm that good at many other things, but I know how to load in, how to set on my drums, how to tune them, and how to be ready for the gig. Yeah, you ever watch what those, like, musicians look like that kind of fell off and now they're on all these reality shows

and all that stuff? Yeah. No fucking way. No way. No way. Fuck off. I'm telling you right now, if we get to that point

and things start happening, Just come up to me and be like Pat, look at what you look like Okay, Matt, see you later Yeah Well, dude, I mean, you're You're a, I was going to say a new record But your latest record's been out for

For a year How's it been feeling? Awesome Awesome People are very receptive I'm surprised that I mean, this is just like The most I've seen people

screaming the lyrics Yeah, really? The past, year has been quite the obvious increasing support. Yeah, the craziest thing is like, the record's doing great, but we released a new song a few days ago.

Yeah, and everyone knows the words. Yeah, at the shows, it's crazy. Like, yeah, the new song has been getting as much attention as the record. The most recent album release. We just released it on this tour too. Bananas, dude. It's crazy. Helians? It's popping. Sounds sick. And thank you to

everybody that bought the record or paid attention or got into this new track that we released. But yeah, we're getting a lot of really cool attention right now that feels nice. People like it. Seems to be doing a thing. Labels very happy. Records doing good.

The shows are being insane. We're very fortunate. Very lucky. Like sardine's zero walkouts. Yeah. It's really good. Well, the tour package is crazy. I mean, who knew that you guys and the Casey Strain will be such a great pair?

I mean, let's throw an even crazier. thing in there. Primitive man and full of hell. Real heavy. Real heavy. Like, you go from like... Pure abrasive extreme music. Yeah. Super stonery, abrasive to like chaos. And because full of hell is like... They give me a really converge vibes. Yeah, they're very organized chaos, grindy, like just over the top and they're incredible at what they do. And then it's either us or the Eccasie strain right after that every night.

Yeah. So to have people in full of hell and primitive man shirts come up to us and say, you guys are sick. I wish I would have listened sooner, blah, blah, blah, that kind of stuff. Like, the crossover is there right now. And these are the tours back in the day that used to do better than everything else. And I think this package is a showing of what bands should be looking to do. You know, bigger bands should be taking these kinds of bands out on tour. Different forms of heavy music.

We're fortunate to be in the age of the genre melding being as bigger than it's ever been. And a tour like this kind of really shows that because full of hell and primitive man is just, dirty, underground, extreme visceral music. And, you know, A-Strain and us, we have our different styles. And I don't know, it's just sick to see such broad ends of the extreme music spectrum be represented on one tour and then be such sick shows every night and sold out night after night. The way I like to see it, it's that this type of music, we're not supposed to play those crazy shows, right? None of this is supposed to work out the way it does. We're not supposed to get showers every night or get it.

So it's incredible when you get to prove it to yourself and you're like, hell yeah, all these people were wrong. And the coolest part is, you know, like Joe was saying, like, you know, we're doing a rotating headliner right now. So we did three nights in a row. And now Casey Strain is doing three nights in a row in California. And then we'll headline in Arizona again. but minimal walkout.

And what that says to me is that everyone is curious about everything that's happening. And that's great. Because you know just as well as I do that you pick up a lot of people just by having the headliner or the bigger band being like, oh yeah, like this band's cool. You should watch them, you know? But now we have a pretty equal playing field. You know, us and the Eccasian are kind of, and I mean, full of hell too. They do great. Primitive man's got their own thing going on.

Everybody's got influence in their genres and they can pull crowds. But everybody's curious, why? I think that's what it is. I think it's, everybody's like, why the fuck are all these bands on tour together? Why would, full of hell, who is like the kings of the genre that they're in? They're very, very well respected in their world. Why would they go on tour fit for an autopsy? Like, fit for an autopsy is just some bullshit Death Corps band to those kinds of people.

I think they appreciate heavy music. I do too. But now the curiosity is there. they on tour together, you know, and they're staying. And kids and full of hell shirts are coming up to me and be like, your band is fucking awesome. And that's, that's such a cool thing for me.

Because, like, they remind me of, like, you know, bands that you would never expect to tour with fit. You know what I mean? So to have their fans gravitate towards us is fucking cool. That's right. And our fans like them.

Our fans buying fit shirts and primitive man shirts. I'm like, yes, like this is cool. Us as all genuine fans of all styles of, heavy extreme music we're super stoked to have that acceptance from people that are into maybe much more abrasive grimy styles and to be like you guys bring it too it's that's it's sick because as i really like primitive man i listen to them every day it's just groovy heavy angry

no bullshit no gimmick no nothing it's just straight anger it's it's refreshing to you know for me to listen to real heavy stuff in cool places packed yeah yeah that's the wildest part first song packed yeah no no strolling

like first song front to back they're coming out and you hear that bass start feeding back that's right this animal noise come out of this microphone some cave man shit yeah and then and you're watching

like people in the front or like imagine being strapped to the front of a jet because they're so loud your face gets pushed back, you know? Every time they start, we're like, Jesus. It's a tree piece. It's a tree piece, but they sound like 10. Yeah, it's like 32 people on stage.

I love it. Three piece is my favorite. Yeah. It's so much. Three pieces sick until you have to load all the gear that they have. Yeah. I've never seen so many cabs and heads for a three-piece band in my entire life. Really?

Yeah. They could be in my top five loudest bands I've ever heard. It is loud. I didn't know he had dreads. You just took them all off? Yeah, you can shave. dude yeah one of us now one of us

yeah they got so they got the gear yeah they got the gear all right they're doing it it's fucking sick that you guys kind of made this like you guys actually created the curiosity yeah stope yeah I never heard of someone putting it in in that way but I'll tell you this I would never

thought we could do it will and Justin in the background believed that it could happen really and they were like this could be a thing and we think this could work So this tour has been talked about for almost two years now We've been trying to put it together for almost two years And Vincent

Loves all the bands Wants the tour with all those bands And when I really thought Full of Hell was going to say no But their singer Dylan Because they come from such a different world You know the deal Sometimes you step into something new

And people are like this bullshit Like you don't belong here We are all extreme underground metal fans At Heart 2 So sometimes we try to wear the glasses but sometimes we psych ourselves out by wearing. When I say the glasses, you know, the cool metal guy glasses. I'm like, oh, if I was not a part of this or something like that,

would I have my arms fold and be like, eh, kind of thing. Yeah, like it was funny, like Dylan and I were talking, and he was saying they get a lot of grief on the internet from a certain demographic of people that tell them that they take their job too seriously, they have too nice gear. It's like these guys are the best of the best in that world, in my opinion. They're unbelievably tight every night, and they sound incredible,

but it's also supposed to kind of sound abrasive and uncomfortable. And they managed to bridge that gap between professional and uncomfortable in a way where you would never expect it. And because of that, a band like Full of Hell will get an entire generation of kids into super grimy grindcore. Yeah. Power electronics or noise rock or whatever style they're doing on that release. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty interesting. It's definitely a cool crossover.

You know what I mean? So, I mean, and then there's the other side of the spectrum. Like, I mean, there are bands from our world going out with the Deftones right now. And like bands that are managing to bridge that kind of gap. So there's like a lot of really cool things happening. It's in Lornashire going to go with Gojira or something? Yeah, L'A and Mastodon. That's a massive tool.

That's a massive tool. That's a massive, dude. To be able to bridge those kinds of gaps with those kinds of like genre crossover, I'm hoping that the genre thing starts getting wiped out a little bit. Because I really think that if somebody says, oh, they're in this core or that metal, or this immediately puts a bad taste in your mouth. But all of these bands in our world are getting a look now from bigger bands and bands that get what we do. It's really cool.

And Lorna Shore was the band that proved that we can fill those rooms again. We can do all those things. The resurgence is here. You know, The Iard is Murder is another one of those bands. They've always been able to carry those big rooms. And then, you know, it's just one of those things. It's that alignment thing that happens when people, people are like, this hasn't been cool forever, but maybe I just never looked at it. Maybe it is cool.

You know, and now they're looking and they realize it is. There's something, there's something tangible in every one of these genres. And you just got to find the right bands. Yeah. So now that's happening. I think that the, um, the pandemic kind of had a lot of people that don't really listen to this kind of music, really kind of open their eyes to like, you know what? I've got absolutely nothing to do. So I'm just going to give it a shot. Let me listen to this bullshit fit for an autopsy band real close. There's a pink wine and so many kids.

Listen to death core. Two years of like, you know, two years is a long time. Kids grow up and they're just like, oh wow, what is this? Well, there was definitely a bit of that rising tide over those couple of years, you know, and a lot more exposure to new kids

coming out. We've never seen before. I'm sure everybody is just a whole new crowd coming out. Just be like, oh, I spent the last two years hearing these random bands that are bat-shed insane. Let's go see them. Yeah. And it's so cool.

The shows are packed. Can I mention how? how sick that flyer is? Look at that. Who did the artwork for that flyer? I don't know, but he needs to do a t-shirt for us. That dude's got a lobster claw. They were definitely high and chew that.

That's squid word. That dude blazing Ben Brooks. Or I could be wrong. Walk like crap. Talk like people. That's so weird. Great drawing. I'm very fast-

I'm very fascinating when I tour of flyers that just kind of pop out. Like, man, how'd you do that? That's sick, too. All right, well, why don't you ask us some questions? We've been rambling along here. Well, I was going to ask you, because we're obviously in very similar bands. I was like, you know, what do you guys see like the death court scene going? Like I said, I hope that it becomes one of those things where it becomes less important.

Because I feel like the bigger bands hear those words and they're like, nope. I think a lot more deathcore bands are being serious now. It's something that I've complained about for a really long time is that a lot of people in our genre didn't know how to deal with the business side of things. didn't take things seriously, you know, not necessarily getting on stage and off stage in the times that they should, doing the things that they're supposed to do professionally.

You know, acting a fool, not thinking about the things that they're doing and causing these issues with these bigger bands where they're like, nope, that whole genre is a joke. So now I see more bands in our world being more serious, having better crews, doing better things. You know, on stage, off stage,

better equipment, better sound, like trying to do all the things. And I think it's helping the genre as a whole get taken more seriously. Not that there weren't bands doing that with you guys, for instance, back in the day, but you know, six out of every 10 bands were not. It took 15 to 20 years to help really legitimize it more and more. You know, there were bands doing what you guys were doing, and then there were bands that weren't. You know what I mean? The popularity of extreme music, let's say, in the early 90s versus today, it's just a whole different ballgame.

Sure. Like, you know, almost like grandmothers know who Metallica are now, you know, so it's that much easier. And you know what it takes to be taken seriously as a band and when you go on tour and you're trying to do that and the bands that are playing under you don't give a shit and they don't care about that and they're you know taking their symbols off of stands on stage during breakdowns and like you know

don't do it like winding their cables not getting off stage not being on time showing up late you know complaining about things not having like yo shut the fuck up and do your job get it done done done done done done and then the next time they're going to tell their friends how good you are you know all these bands

and the upper echelon of the metal world are all friends. So they're going to say, yo, this band was sick to work with. Take them on tour. They're very easy. They're quiet. They'll do their thing.

If they have an issue, they keep it pretty localized to themselves, like they do their thing. If you act like professionals, you're going to get treated like professionals. So the genre's becoming more professional, and people are seeing that. So it's becoming a more real thing.

These younger bands all have in-ear rigs and they're all very tight. They all want to have good gear. Back in the day, you know, you had a bunch of, of like, like, what were they, I can't remember, I was going to make a joke about me. Like my blue voodoo.

Yeah, that's what I was looking for. They had a bunch of blue voodooes and like two twos of blown speakers. The rich guy would have the 5150? Yeah, dude. And it was just one of those things. Like, you know, it's just a different world now. You know, people are recording better records in their bedrooms than people 10 years ago, 20 years ago, were recording in good studios.

So there's just this air of professionalism that's happening that I think is helping us too. You know what I mean? And that for us, oh, there it is, the blue voodoo, dude. You don't want my first half stack was the blue one. God damn it, dude. Better fucking recognize, dude. It's a 84-dollar cabin. It's good enough for Marty Friedman.

Hey, man. Proof the tone is in the hands. Dude, who actually used the fucking crate? Dude, for a minute, there's a lot of people using that GX-130C. It's the cannibal corpse of the bleeding sound. Cramidham, and there it is. Look at all of them! All modded.

He's got 47 of them and it was $32 worth of heads and caps. Look at that smile from the pure blissful tone. It crates, what they were, they were affordable. It was the only way to get into an affordable half stack at the time. It was. That's how it was for me. And I know that's a very privileged thing to say, oh, well, the equipment, the equipment, but I mean, it matters.

It does. You know, it really matters. When you roll up to a show and you have a full rig and you get on and off, And it's quick and easy. Like we have a really great sound person. His name is Cam. And he's a monster. And he really has us running like super efficient now.

We didn't realize how unprofessional we were until he came along. And he was like, nope, do this. Nope, do this. You need that. And how do you do that? You pay for it. And you have to get somebody that knows their shit. And then these people take you seriously.

Like efficiency and professionalism and music and the fact that people care, they're all helping the genre move forward. and you can thank all of the bigger bands that take us out and teach us what we're doing wrong. That's literally what it is. And if you're learning from them, the genre's going to continue and maybe it won't matter that we're in a death core band anymore.

Maybe they say they're a death core band. They go, ooh, well, we took Lauren Shore out and they were super professional, so let's look at this other band that maybe comes from that genre. But if you act like an asshole, you're going to fuck it up for all of us. Don't be a dick.

Don't be a dick. And something else is just respect the people, respect how many people showed up to your gig. It doesn't matter if it's, 50 or 50,000, they're there. You should perform for them at the best of your ability. Every day. They took their time away.

Time is the most valuable thing they all have. Every day. Even nights where I don't feel like I have it as a drummer. I have no energy. Everything hurts. I need to try my best, right? Because they deserve it. It's not their fault.

This could be their one or two shows a year. Make it make it their sickest show they're going to see in the next five. Or it could be the only time that they see you. Mm-hmm. and they go tell their friends and tell all their friends you suck. Oh yeah?

That's always in the... So respect them, you know? Like, don't take it for granted. We get jaded as people too now that we're doing better. You know, we play a big show and then it's like, oh, we're going to go play this small show.

And it's like, man, shut up. Like, yeah, we're going to play this small show so we can do 50 big ones. Yeah, and usually at those small shows, you'll have someone that's just like, dude, I flew like 17 hours

to come see you guys. And it's just like, what the hell? And they'll apologize, sorry, the show is small. What the hell? who cares? It also keeps us grounded. It keeps us grounded.

It helps us not forget where we come from. It helps us not forget how to set up a small stage, how to not have certain things that they. You go back and forward, and it keeps you rooted, you know. But there's another side to that coin, too. And this is really important, I think, for fans of music to know, is that sometimes this job is really, really hard. And sometimes there are situations where a person might,

be going through some personal shit that day and they still get on stage and do the job. And it becomes hard to wear the pajamas at that point. Like it's hard because maybe you had a death in the family or maybe something or some financial thing or your kid is upset or your wife or girlfriend or boyfriend or whoever is having a hard day. And like you're trying to balance all of those things. So sometimes you meet someone and it isn't always the best experience or you feel a certain way.

Just remember like if you meet the person five times and they're a dick five. five times they're probably just a dick. But if you meet them one time, give them another shot. Because sometimes this life is very difficult. So it is an apology to the fans that we may or may not have met over the years that maybe didn't get the experience that they deserve. But we do pride ourselves and wanting to do that. But man, sometimes this job is a lot.

And having to do the social side of things and be in the band and deal with your own brain. Because we're all, to do this job, you have to be broken. Like you can't be a normal person to do this job. You have to be broken. I'm always like some, just like some screw loose. Yeah, something's wrong. Let me live in a van with fucking 10 people. It doesn't make sense to anybody.

You tell anybody, it's like you enjoy that. You like, you want to do that. You wake up, your back's hurting it, your body, everything. I always ask my friends, do you listen to music? And they're like, yeah, do you have your, you have favorite artists? Yes. Well, I want to be like them. They did all this.

I'm going to be like them. But they don't understand. They don't see the connection. They're not ready to do that, right? no one wants to leave their comfort. It's not easy. You listen to music on your way to work? Yeah, every day.

Well, I want to be in that playlist. Yeah. I want to be the thing that you're listening to on the way to work. Yeah, well, that's what we were talking about before. You know, everybody wants to wear the outfit, but nobody wants to sell the cookies. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't expect it all to happen. Girl Scout cookies in front of a dispensary.

Yeah, yeah. Smart. Smart. Smart. Killing the game. But that's the thing, you know, I know what's the thing. You know, I know it's a joke or whatever, but that's the truth. Like, you know, yeah, whatever.

You know, fit for an autopsy is just another band in a pot full of bands. But think about how many bands there are in the world. How lucky we are. How lucky we are to play festivals in Europe in front of hundreds of thousands of people in a week's worth of time. How lucky we are to get up every day and get paid to go everywhere. And people are like, oh, you know, this band doesn't deserve it and that band doesn't deserve it. And it's like, well, wait a minute. They put the time in and you don't.

Like, yeah, you might be better at guitar than me, but I'll make you a deal. You get in this van and make, not knowing, okay, first tour, there were nights where we were not sure if we were going to have enough money to pay for gas to get to the next venue. And every time it would miraculously work out, when we were on our first tour home from California, we didn't have enough money to pay for gas to get home. We stopped in Vegas. I took $50 out of the till put it on 17 and hit Wow

And I gave Hey you remember No I don't think you were in the band I don't think anybody was in the band Will if you asked Will the story I gave everybody 25 bucks to go hit a buffet I was like this will be our last meal on this tour

And if we don't get there I'll just I'll figure it out And then I was like Give me 50 bucks I ran in I put it on 17 Hit made the money And fucking bounced

And I was like guys We got enough money to get home and here's a few bucks for everybody to get some food on the way. And it was just like those kinds of things happening kept us afloat. That's not luck. That's like payment for hard work. We had to make a 48 hour drive from California home. We had to be home in 48 hours or less. And we just didn't have the money to do it.

And it worked. I don't know what the fuck is going on. Sometimes it's work out. It's weird. It's like if he keeps showing up, that luck will keep showing up. Hopefully appear. Blessing or a curse, right? One of the two.

So you just show up for the job and eventually it works out. You know, fit for an autopsy would not be a ban right now if I wasn't a filthy degenerate gambler. Like, that would not have happened. You know what I mean? So, yeah, pretty crazy. It's nuts. Well, that hour 15 flew by. I kind of wanted to squeeze in one more question or a two.

I was listening to far from heaven. That first riff is fucking sick. How did that rip come up? It's Will. That's a great riff. It's one of those ones where, like I said, we're trying to change the perception of what we're doing. We're trying to incorporate a lot of different things.

And I mean, who knows what 10 million things were happening when Will wrote that riff. But that's, you know, that's one of Will's things. You know what I mean? That's sick. We're trying to step into different worlds and do different things. Creating a different vibe. Yeah.

And we just wanted to do something that had a very different feel. and he probably was influenced by one of the nine bagillion things he's working on in any given time, and we ended up doing it. It's cool to watch that video because that's my kid. Really? Yeah, that's my, that's Preston. He doesn't look like that anymore. He looks like a 62-year-old man.

I know, right? We filmed that a few years ago, but that's my son and my wife are both in this music video. So many sick people involved in this video. Yeah, our friend Ed is in this video. There were a bunch of great actors. A bunch of our friends were filling. Look how young that look. Yeah, he looks like a kid in this video.

But yeah, that's my son. I always try to tie him in however I can, you know. That's nuts, dude. It was cool because I was like, he had to know the lyrics, so he was looking at me, following me, like with the lyrics there. It was so cool. Yeah, and it's funny. Like, everybody, all the paid actors and actresses and all the people were really great,

and they were asking him, like, how many videos have you done? He's like, none. That's my first one. And they couldn't believe it because he actually, like, sitting and sat and listened. He wanted to do it. He was great. He was stoked. I'll tell you something, man.

Like being able to have our families involved in this kind of stuff really is a cool vibe. You know what I mean? And, you know, it's a cool video. We filmed it in Philly at Voltage Lounge. Dude, the priest guy? He was the serious person. I still have footage on my phone of him just going on his tangents. I wish we had like some B-roll footage of him.

Just like, oh, we do. No, I know we have it, but like put it out to where you just see how literally psychotic that dude was. He stayed in character the whole day. amazing so freaky so he got into like the method yeah he was full into it he was phenomenal i was like how much are we paying this guy it was really really good what a great that was my wife too the uh oh yeah of the nun or virgin mary thing that they have that's hung by the rope that's my wife isn't will's mom in here too uh yeah yeah she's right that's her right next to that lady and my wife is one of the mourners she's on the left that's will's mom yeah it's pretty crazy so this video

actually does have like more of the band yeah video more people that support our project I think my kid fell in love with uh one of the actors in this too this first love experience it was great do you does I mean uh Pat I'm not a I'm not exactly a dad yet but it's in the back of my mind I feel like I'm getting closed I'm terrified cool scary yeah I mean did if did you ever had times or like you know I don't want to do the band, but then you started thinking about like, like you're kidding. You know, I can't. Okay.

So here's the thing that happened. Like I said, I was going to quit the band when we got signed to our first label. And my wife was like, don't do it, don't do it. You're going to hate us. You're going to resent us. You've worked so hard. And I told her, I was like, look, that means you're going to be alone with our newborn child.

Let me be about five months for our first tour. Are you prepared for that? Because if I say yes, that's it. I can't. There's no going back. I can't sign a contract. and not be there for the band because it's just, it's just, you know, you just don't do that. And so now, the way I look at it is every second that I'm on the road has to count because

it's a sacrifice that my wife and my son are making in order for me to be here. I'm not the only one sacrificing. Yeah, they get to have the house and the comforts of home, but they don't have me there to help them with the day-to-day things that they need. My wife has to be a father and a mother, and I'm, you know, doing the best I can from an iPhone, but she is giving me the ability to do this, right? So when people ask me, well, why don't you just leave? And I'm like, well, how many parents tell their children, I had this dream and then you came along and I had to leave it? How fucking terrible is that to say? So what I try to do,

and you know what? It's crazy. Like my band are like, when it comes to me being a father, these guys are like my biggest cheerleaders because when I'm doubting myself, they're like, dude, you guys are doing such a great job with your kid. He's such a good young man. He speaks well. He understands who he is. He's very vocal and forward and easy to talk to. He wants to learn.

So when I'm feeling like I'm doing the wrong thing, these guys are, you know, rooting me in the idea that maybe it's not the perfect thing. Maybe I'm not, you know, under or over nurturing certain things. But I could never let him wear the guilt of the decisions that I make. So I'm trying to show him that you can, live whatever dreams you have and still be a good person, be a good parent, whatever he chooses to be

on any avenue of his life, whatever he is, is good enough for me and he can do it in a way or it doesn't harm anybody if he thinks of it the right way. So that's what I'm trying to do. If you do become a father and you choose to take that route, the best advice that I can give you is whatever

you believe is the best way is the best way. Don't let anybody tell you any different. We have our life, we have our relationship, what works with us, Your way is going to work with you. Yes, take outside influence from people that you respect. But, man, being a father and being a touring musician is unbelievably difficult. And I just try to make every second count because otherwise I'm taking advantage of my wife and my son's time.

So I think you'd be a great father, dude. You're super nice guy, and I think you've been through enough thing. Oh, hey, dude, get off that skateboard. Little baby corn jerseys and slip-knock jerseys. But like, dude, I think a lot of us that have been through this kind of lifestyle have a very different view. And before I started touring, I was not the person that I am now. And I've gone through a lot of changes because of my son. And I forced myself to change as a person because I realized the things that I was doing and things that I had been,

even just things saying and being around, were not good. You know, not acceptable. So having a kid brings you to a different perspective. And I realized that I didn't want my son to be broken the way that I was. So I had to end that cycle. Stop doing the dumb shit that I was doing. Be a better person. Take responsibility for the things that I've done and become better and change my life.

And I think that that's a great thing for everybody. Having a kid isn't for everyone. And I got a lot of fellas in my band that, you know, are not ever, going to be parents and I respect that. But I also think that when it's meant for you, it's meant for you. So don't be scared of that shit, dude. I mean, I want to be, but I'm so scared too.

No way, dude. I'm terrified in my bones, man. Yeah. It is a scary thing ever is when they hand you this tiny little pile of mush person thing. And you're like, what the fuck am I doing right now?

I can't even fucking tie my own shoes or like, you know, pay my own bills and suppose to fucking, what am I I'm gonna do this thing. I feel like that's the thing about parenting too. Like no one's ever ready to be your parent. You're always just kind of thrown into it. And then you start learning from there.

I think everybody's more instinctually ready than they really believe they are. Because like. Nami? You say that, you say that, but it changes you, man. Yeah.

When you look at yourself and you're holding yourself, you know that. That's what I'm saying. I don't have that experience yet. So I feel like when you get that, as soon as you like see it, you're just like, everything just changes.

But I, I haven't seen it yet, so it's kind of like a scary thing, you know? And I've seen my friends go through it. And I was like, I'm like so happy for them because I'm like, I want that. I do want that one day. But it's like, it is super scary. It's like what might you have to sacrifice? Everything.

Everything. Yeah. You just want to give that child like the best life too. And I want to be there for that child, you know? Well, there's ways to do it and still be able to do what you want in a way that is feasible. But you just have to find that balance. I just got lucky enough to have a partner that really supports me. It doesn't always happen that way.

And we all know that. We've all seen it. We've all seen it. It's ugly out there. It's ugly. And that's not just, you know, one group of people to another. That's everyone. You know what I mean?

Like in relationships and stuff. And I've been on the wrong side of both of those sides. You know, it takes a lot to make it work. So like, you know, if you're going to go for it, man, I back you, dude. I'll buy you the biggest bag of diapers you've ever seen because you need a lot of them. My wife was a single child, so she was like, no brothers and sisters, none of that stuff.

So with me, I'm like swaddling the baby and changing the diapers. She's like, what the fuck are you? How do you know how to do all this stuff, you know? So like, you know, it just the balance, you know what I mean? The balance on slats for those watching and listening that are in my boat, I guess having a kid could be, could work. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those things.

It works if you wanted to, but you just have to be realistic. You know, you got to remember that there's other people sacrificing. Whether it's, you know, you're on the road or you're a pilot or, you know, you go away a lot or whatever your job is. Like, there is somebody in the other end of the phone that is sacrificing as much as you are. It's like a next chapter, too. It's like a whole new chapter your life starts. Yeah. Because then you're watching that little human.

and grow up and you're helping create that person and to who they are today. Teaching them all the things that you've learned or maybe not. I was going to say, or you get a band, dude. Yeah, how about not?

Then he turns into me. That's like, no. Breaking the cycle is a sick thing. Totally. Absolutely. I feel it the same way. But it's also been really cool to see you guys, you know,

on the sixth record and basically started a whole new chapter. Yeah. I mean, you argue it's just the first chapter. Yeah. You know, and that's a crazy, right? It's such a trip. I mean, so many floors, so many peanut butter and jelly.

So many crustables, dude. I love it. Crustables. We couldn't afford crustables, bro. That's why we get the uncrustables. I was going to say, we fucking made it, dude. We fucking made it, dude.

Monster energy drinks and uncrustables. How about this? I'm going to throw you for a little. We watched Tim peel the uncrustables off the uncrustables the other day. That blew my life.

There was already no crust to begin with. There's no crossed. He's literally ripping Oh wait, so he pulled off Is there footage of Tim ripping does not crust off of an uncrustable? The uncrusts?

See, you can't even look it up on the internet. That's how psycho it is. Yeah. The little pot pie ends. He just like rips it off. He's just like, yeah, I don't like it. It's like, you know. This is what happens when you stay and don't come

to the podcast, We talk shit about your uncrustables. Shout out Tim. Look at how wholesome we are. Oh, my goodness. You know you made it when you get a pizza after the show. Sandwiches after the show. Oh, yes.

Sandwich is pizza. You fucking made it. So what's the other question? Let's go. Well, I was going to ask you, but then it's way too deep up a question. I don't know. Okay, let's try to make up five minutes. Okay.

Quick one. So the reason why I bring up that riff, you know, sometimes you just listen to a band or an artist, and then you're done, little. listening to that song and you started thinking about about your life. I first of all, I love, I love those, those kind of songs. You start thinking, you know, so when I heard that song, I got, I got done playing it. A question popped in my head. And, uh, okay.

Uh-oh. Here we go. It's like, what do you think heaven is? And it made me question myself and I realized I don't even have my own definition of it. So obviously the The song title is far from heaven And I was like For me I was like

What is heaven to you guys? Okay So The thing that might not even exist These guys are on weed And you're asking a question like this Yeah let's go Okay for me

Here's what I'll say And obviously I'm not A believer in God or the afterlife Or maybe the afterlife Like maybe ghosts and stuff, but maybe not heaven or any of that kind of stuff. But I would imagine heaven for anybody would be a place where all of your anxieties and your stresses are gone. It's a place of total comfort, silence, and perfectness. Peace.

Right? Peace. Perfectness. The thing that we all strive for every day. The thing that people on the internet pretend that their life is right now. Of course. Right? Everybody's got this perfect life with this perfect sandwich in this perfect house and this perfect...

That's not heaven. Heaven is this release of all of the bad shit. And you can find something, you know, and I think it's different for every person. You know what I mean? So that ultimate comfort, I think, is what heaven is supposed to be. But a big problem with heaven is that too many people focus on the end, and they don't spend any time looking at the current situation that they're in. They're not enjoying the road to whatever their heaven is. So it creates a pretty interesting thing because heaven is a thing.

because heaven is a thing that's supposed to be perfection, total peace. But the road to get there, because that's the struggle that you want, is actually the most tumultuous thing that you can go through because you're searching for perfection, which is impossible as a human. So to me, that's what it is, and that's kind of why I think it's such a bad thing. It's so much focus on perfection and what's to come. You're missing all the beautiful, perfect things that you – I mean, have you ever been to Banff?

and looked around the beauty that is the earth in Canada on a morning when it had just snowed a little and everything's peaceful. Like those moments are like little pieces of heaven that you'll miss if you're too concerned on what's going to happen when you're buried. You know what I mean? So heaven's a tricky one for me. It is. But I think, I mean, I think that's an excellent way to put it. Concise. Good.

You're welcome. Yeah. Yeah, look at how beautiful national park. Okay. I got woken up in a van in a driver's seat, handed a cup of coffee, which, if you know anything about me, we're already on the road to perfection.

And then our driver at the time, I'm like, where are we? He points out the window, and there was just this perfect scene, kind of what we're looking at right now, with a mountain reflecting in the water, and a fucking fish jumped out of the water and broke the water,

and I was just like, wow. Am I dead? Like, what the fuck is happening? Like, what's this fucking fish? If you're not taking five minutes a day to look around at all the really cool shit that's out there, then you're just sacrificing so much of this journey to whatever your end goal is. You know what I mean?

So heaven's a tricky thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, you just said something. I mean, could be that cup of coffee is heaven. It often is. It is every day. Yeah.

30 seconds of, you know, closing your eyes, taking a sip of a first cup of coffee, getting a good... You ever open the door in the winter? and you get that first breath of like crisp winter air and it's like those kinds of it's like god I sound like such a goof right now so it's just but it's like your rep is ruined so heaven's just a feeling I guess huh I mean heaven for you is a place on earth oh baby what do you think you about uh yeah I don't I someone tried to talk to me about like religious stuff before and I just I I wasn't very good

in like the religious classes or anything so i didn't really give too much thought about it but i guess for me it was always told as like oh this the place that you go when you die this is like if you're a good person but like the reality is like to be a good person sometimes to get to certain goals you might have had to do some shitty things so maybe your fucking key to heaven's not really a key to heaven at all yeah that's literally what i'm saying at the end of the day like um you can like pretend that you follow this like straight line of like religion I follow this super hard super hard but like you're

forgetting that like you were probably doing some really shitty things to keep that mentality that is in the eyes of the book not really accepted wearing the mask well I mean let's think about it like what's I mean this is a really

good conversation because we I say this often like when you hear about somebody in your neighborhood that's like a fucking serial killer or something, right? Sure. They found 15 people buried in his backyard. What's the first thing they say?

Holy shit, Robert was such a normal guy. He just had a regular car and a perfect part in his hair, and he wore a nice regular job, married four kids, white picket fence. Those are the people that you've got to fear the most. The people that are following the line. You know what I mean? Those are the ones that, like, the most

normal looking person is the person that's probably trying to look that way to hide something about themselves. It's crazy. Yeah, nobody ever thinks about that. So sure, your trip to heaven, maybe you look like the perfect person, but don't dig up the backyard, bro, because you're going to find some stuff. You know what I mean? Like John Wayne Gacy, he's a perfect example of that. You know what I mean?

Just like normal, regular everyday guy that dressed up in a clown suit and cut your fucking stomach out. You know what I mean? Like crazy. But you have to look at the statistics. You know what I mean? Heaven is this thing that's put here to control us and make us believe that, yeah, look at him. There he is. Made us believe.

Some people are terrified of clowns. Yeah, I'm terrified of clowns. I'm scared of that one. That's a five. Look at that fucking guy. That guy's going to kill you. Not anymore, but... He was invested in politics and the community and everyone loved him.

Normal guy. He was a regular guy. You know, and then you get a good person that maybe looks like we do, and you can't go into a store without being judged by some holy rollers. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, it's all a lie, dude. And so this thing. of heaven is such a tricky thing

and I think if people spent more time just worrying about being inner peace, getting a little focused on a few things that make them happy, none of that shit would matter. What if what if heaven's just a show? It is just... It is. You ever seen the Truman show? It says all of us.

Yeah, you ever seen the Truman show? Yeah, yeah. It's something made up. No, no, but you're just talking like a lot, like a show, like you show up to the venue and it's like, we got three meals today. Now, heaven is actually the downstairs venue at the masqueries. so. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, actually, heaven was the upstairs venue at the masquerade, and now it's the separate room, and we will be playing at the masquerade on the 29th of this month. See you guys there.

See you guys there. That was a great plug. That was a great plug. You guys wanted to go to heaven. Go to the Acacia strain and fit for an autopsy show, and you will be welcomed in the gates of them.

We will hug you all. We will get. In the great words of Allison Chains, we just want to Hug you all, but we won't. Hey, Jay, can you pull up the O'Fliar? You just had it. There it is.

That's pretty sick, dude. Lots of sold-out shows. Even more low-ticket warnings. Get yours now. Jesus, sound like crazy eddies, dude. Prices are insane. So it happens when you can, like, hear your voice with these microphones, because you're just like, I can make myself sound sick.

I've got the movie voice rated R. Oh, my goodness. He's so ready. Blue Moonlight says the guy from movie. phone. Press one for Friday the 13th. We're an observatory today. Well, we're halfway through now.

Yeah. You got a half way. Observatory tonight and I know tickets were really, really low. So if you guys are there tonight, we'll see it, but this will air well after the show tonight. Greensboro, Baltimore, Baltimore sold out. What's there a sell out yet?

No. That's a very big room, but we're getting there. It's low tickets on that one for sure. It's like 13 or 1,400 shows. That's very serious. People, not shows. I think Greensboro is sold out. Baltimore.

Baltimore sold out. Greensboro sold out. Austin is sold out. Come take it live. That one sold out. And Arizona sold out. Yep. Arizona sold out two days ago.

So it's pretty crazy, man. Arizona Pisa is a really cool venue. Yes. They have like that very long bull riding thing in the center. Yeah. So Pasquen sell out and get drunk. I live over there now. I just moved to Charlotte.

Someone bring $50 million. Yeah, give me $50 million. $50 million. in a bank account for my kid and yeah I'll sell out I get 5% I won't sell out so I'm plugging it in so I get 5% respect no dude it's my idea

you need to come up the idea Judge it's to fucking I said respect so fucking I said respect I didn't say respect I didn't say respect I just cost me a whole bunch of money it's like 2.5 million dollars To be fair I cost you kid a bunch of money right all right so

what you're doing is digging a grave right now I'm sorry P well someone's not going to have it at least I play Fortnite with Pee I ripped 90s with that, dude. So why don't you return his phone calls about the gaming stuff? Dude, because I suck it for it now. Don't call my kid out on the radio, dude.

I didn't call him out. I just said he's the... Preston. You can beat up Uncle Joe next time. He comes to the house. That kid's... He's trained. Mr. Thundin or not, dude.

Oh, my good. Well, dudes, I mean, we've been friends for a long, a long time. Thank you for making the drive here. Of course. Thank you for having us. We were very psyched to come on this. I watch your podcast a bunch. Do you do you do.

such a good job at this. Like there's a lot of podcasts. You do it very well and I like the things you discuss. You let the conversation control itself which is rad. Yeah. We didn't even like, you weren't like, all right guys, we're going to start the podcast. We were just bullshitting and starting. How about us?

How much of us have experienced the bad interview? Yeah. Okay. That's why I'm sorry to. Why do you think we're here right now? Let's end it. It's very it. It's very inspiring. It's very inspired. to be honest.

So what Bannon are you guys? Are you guys on tour? We are for an autopsy. What's your favorite movie? What are you doing in your home? The same shit you do. Cook dinner, I don't know. So how did you come up with the bad name, dude?

Yeah. Well, dude, I hope you guys have a great show tonight. The new record's been out for over a year. When is a new record done being a new record? When you make the next record? Yeah. This is our new record forever. Forever.

Right, so where can people find you guys? Everywhere. Everywhere. Instagram, fit for an autopsy.com. Yeah, that's a good website. That's got all our dates, all our merch, all that stuff. Link tree. We've got the link tree.

Instagram is at Fit for an Autopsy. Facebook is at Fit for an Autopsy Official. Yeah, we're all over the webs. You can find Spotify and Apple Music, all that stuff. And, you know, yeah. Thank you to everybody who listens. And whether you like it or not, giving it a chance as all that matters. to us. Thank you.

New single out noun. Helions. Helions. Hellions. Hellions. Hellions. Hellions. Helions.

Heliot. Let's fucking cut this shit out. All right. All right. Thank you. Thanks, guys.