Garza Podcast - 88 - SIGNS OF THE SWARM: Love, Marriage & The Death Whistle

Episode Date: July 24, 2023

Garza sits down with Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania deathcore band Signs of the Swarm. Their new album "Amongst the Low & Empty" is out July 28! https://www.signsoftheswarm.com/bio SPONSORS: distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF! emgpickups.com Promo Code: Heavy 15% OFF! Signs of the Swarm is: David Simonich - Vocals Bobby Crow - Drums Michael Cassese - Bass Carl Schulz - Guitar CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Puffco Dab Rig 02:06 - Returning on the Podcast, Manifesting Dreams 04:27 - Carl Joining & First Tour with the Band 11:18 - Michael Plays Bass with Fingers 15:45 - Making Psycho Music 18:54 - Windmilling, Growing Hair Out After Donating Hair 21:18 - Crazy Tour Schedule, Losing Gear on Flights 24:12 - New Album, Amongst the Low & Empty / Writing Process 30:38 - Amongst the Low & Empty Meaning Explained 34:33 - Chaos & Carnage 38:16 - Growing Up Religious, Passion of the Christ 40:47 - Nu Metal Fashion 43:27 - Preserving Underground Venue 49:23 - “Death Whistle” 52:53 - Thoughts on Quitting the Band, Not Talking After Tour 54:44 - Quiet Riot / Slade “Cum on Feel the Noize” 58:07 - Getting Married & Raising Kids 01:08:53 - Dave Matthews Band 01:11:45 - Dethklok & Babymetal

It was like 20 beats per minute. So like that whole ending, it's just like as low as it could possibly go on the computer for the sake of tracking. Just for the sake of trying it. Yeah. Let's just see what happens. When you make music, that makes people laugh. It's so, it's nice. It makes people laugh.

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and save 30% off your membership to get all your songs on all streaming platforms. And now to the heaviest podcast of all time. What is that mechanism? This is a puffco. What's a pupco? It is a electronic dabrig. Okay. And fucking, it has gotten me through so much shit.

It probably helps you go to heaven, I assume. It's more like a purgatory. It's barely noon. Dave's busting out the thing of the Jigs. Let's do hickeys. And it's dead. No! No!

Where's the USB charger? Oh, my. Is it dead really? It's really dead. It stayed dead for a while. We have four of these. Well, that might be a sign. Maybe you guys is going to stick.

with the, we have three, you have a, you have a pipe, you have the flowers, we got the flowers. Still, though, dude, I feel like every time though, like me in particular, I would go to hit this. Like every day, every time it's about to get broken out, he's like, yo, here, hit this. Fucking dead. Every time. Every time. Every time.

You're telling me I'm not allowed to smoke, I guess, today. It's the tour curse. That's what I call a sign. You guys need to go back to this, the OG. We don't like digital shit anymore. We do analog. I'll just put some, I'll just put some fucking diamonds on the fucking bowl.

Oh my goodness. Hybrid. Dude, I gotta say thank you real quick because this is actually a big moment. I don't want to talk to myself on this thing. I try to make it about a big guess, but this is a big moment for me personally because this is like a dream come true

where like a band comes back and hangs out and just hangs. Oh, hell of good. This is like what I've been wanting to do for like a long time. You're like you guys signs this form like the first like returning band. Dude, that's so fucking good.

It's crazy, man. So we're the first band to smoke you out. and the first band they're like fully return as a unit. Yeah. I love that. I was like they're not going to come back ever. Literally,

I was bugging fucking Brad. I was like, yo, you need to figure out if they're going to be off chaos and carnage so like we could fucking get into cars this fucking place and fucking burn down and chill, dude.

You know, fucking. Thank you, man. It was such a good time, you know? You ever had like a thought and you're like, and then that thought becomes real? You're like, wow,

I was thinking about that. actually like now it's like reality oh yeah every day every day that we do this shit is that really yeah I mean all these venues and stuff you show up to like places have heard about my whole life and watching seeing other bands play there video we just played the palladium that was like how was a dream now's a dream coming true growing up watching the DVDs like kill switch DVD and shit this whole tour even like from my first tour with the band all we were talking about was like damn one of these days we're going to be out with white chapel one of these days we're going to be out with Whitechapel and I mean well shit

we're out with Whitechapel very surreal oh wait now now we're out doing it it's crazy literally man like 15 year old me would never believe I would be out here doing this honestly like fucking listening to fucking possession and shit like being young like covering their shit like 2011

like now just to be on the road like what's up how you guys doing today what's good like just normal people man it's fucking crazy being in this room seeing all the sick shit yeah it's been a big change you guys been here last it's cool yeah fucking it got really decorative man fucking making it feel homie you know trying this the and uh this is the first one where we got

the christmas street up and going festive i was like oh nice i was like i want signs to get high and this trip out this fucking christmas tree right here so if i zone out i just like get lost it's fine it's your fault it's like is he in heaven or is he being his fucking personal purgatory who knows bobby well today i met uh carl nice nice to meet you Nice to meet you too, man. Was this your first tour? So this is my first tour with the band. I've been around the block a little bit here and there,

but I met the dudes about a year ago in another band I was touring with and just kind of worked out, like staying in touch with the dudes, and now here I am with them a year later. It's fucking crazy, man. It's crazy. How to come about? Literally just keeping in contact over the past year, like on socials and stuff like that, just being cool with the guys.

And kind of like as a joke one day randomly, Like I was stoned at my house one night and I was like, yeah. You guys, yeah, literally. If you guys ever need a fill in, like, hit me up. I texted Bob on the side because I saw our friend was filling in with them for a show. And I was like, damn, they really called him, but they didn't call me. Fuck, I get to get on the radar now, man. And, yeah, I just reached out kind of like jokingly and then get a call.

I'm sorry, like 20 calls from David one night at like midnight. Dude, seriously, like no exaggeration. Like so many calls. I woke up in the morning too. I'm like, yo, I haven't talked to this dude. like forever honest like I would just talk to Bob and I'm like oh something's wrong something happened and I call him in the morning when I'm like working at my job and he's like yo you want to like try out for us and like you know get it going and see what

happens and I was like yeah sure and here we are try it out sent a couple videos in and got the gig he has a try out videos like iPhone literally like the worst like one-take quality that's the best way to do it shittiest guitar on it It's funny, man, because we were looking for another guitar player. He just, like, you messaged me, and I was like, I didn't even answer you for a couple of days. I was like, how does this guy know? Like, because Carl just has this, we're like connected. We have this, he has this six cents.

Like, we did a tour together last year. Every time we were smoking, Carl would show up. Like, no matter where, we'd be three blocks away from the venue going to get food. All right, we're going to light up. We're away from everybody. And he'd come walking around the corner. Like, what's up, guys? Bro, that one time we were walking to cookout, five.

and he just walk in the opposite direction. That was rodeo goat. I remember. That's what it was. I remember. We had literally just sparked the fucking joint. And we're like, all right, all right. Let's get ready.

Rodeo goat, hell yeah. Wait, is that Carl? Motherfine. So, yeah, this dude just shows up. He has this thing, this amazing ability to show up right on time when he's needed. My spidey sense are tingling, man. I smell it. And I'm like, oh, shit.

So he hit me up, and I was like, I'll get back to him. We were busy. And then I was like, oh, I was like, I don't know what's going on, but I'll keep, I'll let you know. And then a couple months later, we were like in and out of the studio. I'm like, man, I really want to find somebody. And one of my other buddies, his name's Kyle from a band called 156 Silence. He was like, have you asked Carl?

I'm like, no, I really should. And Carl just came, he just came through, killed it. Dude, it was actually funny because, like, Bobby calls me. He's like, how do you feel about Carl trying out? and I was like I got to ask the question really subtle I was like how do you know this guy because like I knew him as a ace player

you know what I mean I mean I knew him as a bass player dude you know what I mean and I was just like Carl can he even rip dude can he even rip did he even go here? Yeah

but he rips but he rips rips fucking hard we had a bunch of videos from a lot of people and just his shined over everybody yeah we just got along

really and also we tore with them in the past we knew he lost his ass and stuff you know what I mean so here's the thing is that these these motherfuckers you mutterfuckers they didn't tell me they were talking about it and then a couple weeks went by because at the time we were talking to it like I don't know what was it six people yeah more than that it was made but like you know some people some people expressed interest and then kind of pulled back because they had other things going on they weren't able

to commit to our really demanding tour schedule and then finally I forget how it came about, but someone told me that we were talking to Carl. Like, oh, no, no, that was, I remember. I was at my mother's house. And Dave's like, all right, we had a video. My goodness you to see this.

You're never going to guess who this is. And I'm like, all right, who? I get the video, I open it up, and I see Carl. I didn't even watch the video. I just started calling Dave. I was like, Carl? This guy? No, I was shocked, but

they're both right. Carl's takes just completely out to everybody else Wow It wasn't just that for me A big thing that really made Carl stand out Was that he went through What was it? How many guitars?

Just to find the right fit Dude like fucking four These weren't beaters either I mean Next round These weren't beaters either These were like Ivanez's a music man

Like other Expensive instruments And he just like one would come One would go Just at this big circle Until he finally settled on On the ESP He's playing right now.

Two-week process, honestly. Like, I had like five guitars. I was like, I'm not happy with this. This is cool, but, uh, I don't know about this. Do I play six? Do I play seven? I don't know what the band wants. Dude, fucking, I'm still freaking out about it right now.

I don't know what I want to fucking play anymore. But, yeah, it's been cool, man. It's really small world, honestly, like, just being on a tour with them a year ago. And then, like, hey, try out for us. And now I'm just, I'm here, man. It's fucking awesome. Like, seriously. That's right.

I mean, it's wow where, like, the universe will take you, man. Dude, seriously, man. Imagine, like, last year, would you picture yourself, imagine yourself, like, wait, I'm going to be in signs of this one about a year from now. Dude, no, I thought I'd still be playing bass right now, man, because I put down guitar for a bit because I had a cool opportunity, so I played bass. And I was like, damn, man, like, I'm not in my groove, dude. I'm not playing guitar. Like, this is weird. And then, yeah, all this happened.

And it's, like, just right back to my roots, man. It's really, really weird. But, like, cool. It's great. I was watching videos with the show last night because you guys were in L.A. last night and it looked great. It looked like you were already. you know in like a flow dude

honestly it was like that like day one like we've only had like two practices before we actually played our first show like three practices something like that but like just already the vibe like we've been doing this for a while already like it's just we're fucking locked in we're back dude we're so fucking back yeah it's cool though

it's very refreshing to be in a group with you know people that are held to higher standards and everybody just gets their shit done but also goofs off and smokes weed and hangs out and has a good vibe, but also just gets shit done, we need to. We want to be formal, but we're here to party.

Yeah, it's a balance between them both, you know? Exactly. Especially, like, I mean, your music is very demanding as far as, like, playing level, so that, I mean, the fact you guys could find someone that you vibe with, I also still play the damn thing, you

know? And I was, I was to, uh, Michael, I was watching a video, and I didn't know that you play those songs with your fucking fingers, dude. Dude, yeah. Wow.

Fingers McGee. I was like, is he playing with the pick? Are you dying? You feel like, no. Sorry, I was laughing and I choked on the smokebat. But yeah, yeah, I'm a finger style bassist. So I actually did start with the pick, you know, just because you're playing metal,

and I hadn't developed the strength. So I thought, you know, not that playing bass with the pick is easier, but, you know, for someone at my skill level when I was, you know, just starting out, it was easier. But I must have been. then 18, 19 in college, was seeing this girl, and her brother was a bass player, right?

And she said that he said, real bass players don't use picks. And I was like, all right. Who says that? Fuck you, I'll be just as good without them. And this is right around the time I was getting into death metal, like cannibal corpse specifically.

So I started watching Cannibal corpse-based player videos. Alex Webster, he's God to me. And his three-finger technique the three the three you know what I mean so I just started doing that believe it or not

the best exercise I would tell any bass player who wants to play with their fingers learn the pattern to bleed by Michoga and just do that

like oh wow how it's it's all back and forth it's just dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun

next thing you know am I ripping in bass right now yeah am I am I out am I in? Oh, let's go Alright Dude, that's a great pointer

Because it's so It's such a That's so It's simple but not simple Yeah, exactly It's a very simple pattern At its root Demanding

But like once you get the rhythm of it down You know, you can keep playing that It'll build up strength And then eventually if you want You can switch to another one of the patterns Which is what I started doing Because he's got it on the screen Oh yeah look at that

Oh yeah, yeah, he's doing a three. Yeah, exactly, exactly, you know, just like this dude right here. Oh. It was actually, I saw a video. It was Decapitated's old bass player who was playing it, and the tone this guy had on this base. I don't know what it was, but either way, I saw his technique. This cover right here, this guy goes crazy right there.

Yeah, Nazim, no, the one at the bottom of the screen. Oh, that's our friend Daniel. Daniel also is an excellent bass player, so if you see this, Daniel, I love you. You know? I chat with him. on Facebook sometimes. I don't know personally, but I love you.

You're a phenomenal base player. I don't think Mike was with us, but he flew out to meet us in the UK when we first went there. Oh, wow. He's ripping, dude. Yeah, this guy crushes it. He's wearing the MIT shirt, too.

You can tell he's just a killer, dude. No emotion, you know? It's the best. You know you can rip me and do a rip like that and there's no expression. Like, you know you're like that good. Dude, that's, okay. But yeah, no, that's

Rewinding back to the core of the topic. Yeah, that is what really just helped me develop the forearm strength and the stamina to keep going. And, you know, I did that for a couple years and it just felt better. I feel like I have more control over where I want to go.

If I want to incorporate something slap-wise, you know, I've got more flexibility to string skip, you know, shit like that. It's just one less thing to, you know, keep my eyes on. You know what I mean? We're listening to Lose on tour. Well, I don't have picks. It makes for a very unique sound, too.

It does. There's a big difference I can tell playing with him than what anybody else we've had. Also, we just tracked our first record with him playing bass. Oh, wow. The way that that sound sits with what we do, it's just like, it makes for a kind of a special sound versus like just, I mean, most people play with the pick. And you don't really notice it until you hear it, like, in that really fine context. but yeah it makes a huge difference interesting like that uh deep pocket and shackles that you're talking about yesterday yeah if i can that like that whole spot jice like the bass shines so nice

in there yeah yeah especially with your style on music it's so like that's i was gonna ask ask you bobby like we're first of all like the new song drop like three weeks ago right yeah it's awesome people people are jamming it and that that's outro that outro is ridiculous that outro is fucking silly that's kind of the whole point we were working with Josh Schrader cool his whole thing when we were talking about going into this record like months before we went in was just like what do you want and I would you know we talked back and forth for a couple days and by the end of it he's just like so psycho music you just want to make psycho music I'm like yeah we're just gonna

just want it to be crazy shit and have fun and so anytime we get to something like that's like oh like you know this is a breakdown or is It's just some crazy shit. It's just like, okay, how can we make it just like more stupid? Like the dumber, the more makes us laugh. Yeah. Or we're just like, that's what we're doing. That's great.

So, yeah, the whole song, we were just like, you know, on a grid, you can slow things down and speed them up and all that. We just kept making it slower and slower and slower and slower until we were like, how slow can you possibly go? And I think my dog, the lowest it lets us go is like 20 beats per minute. So, like, that whole ending is just like as low as it could possibly go on the computer for the sake of tracking. Just for the sake of trying it.

Yeah, it's just stupid. I think, yeah, when you make music, that makes people laugh. It's so, it's nice. You know, we've been talking about you the same thing. You know, we've been talking about you the same thing. It's so, like, just... So ignorant, they hear it, and they're like, all they can feel is just laughter right away.

It's like, oh, okay, they did it. You know, I'm also, like, the... I mean, Bobby, like, you're... Like, the patterns and the speed of your kids, and the beat I'm like what is this guy doing what is he is he's a psycho yeah how do you got how do you come up with those beats and those patterns um I don't know I just use a lot of a lot of it's like visual writing because we write on an adonna computer versus like sitting in a room yeah so a lot of the times when we're doing those breakdowns it's just like a wall of notes you

know what I mean so like I can slam that there and we know it's going to sound like fucked and then we just match all the guitars and and base to that and you end up with this ridiculous wall of sound so damn and it's a very and now you guys like created like your own kind of unique sound because it's that style

and those like really you know over exaggerated kicks and plus I mean you have Michael actually playing with with his fingers yeah I don't think I know a band other band that does that I mean

Crown Magnus are yeah oh is Grant on Grant shout out right here yeah I love you you're funny But yeah, I was gonna say Grant is also a finger style player a really really good finger style player And you know we actually he was around when we were shooting the video for a mons alone empty and you know I love shooting the shit with him talking technique gear all that because he really does know what he's doing I actually try to emulate his power stance on stage more often than not really I just looks hard

It he really doesn't really and see that's how that's I mean it's not just grant but like Like, I've, you know, I've been doing this for long enough that I'm like, fuck it, I can grow my hair out. So I want to learn how to, I want to get the windmill thing going on. Yeah, that'd be so hard. No, I mean, I used to watch videos of behemoth, actually, on stage. And they're all doing it at the same time and the same direction. Yeah, it's just so sweet, dude. See, I miss windmilling.

I chopped all my hair off and donated it. Did you really? Yeah, yeah. That's sick. Yeah, I miss windmillan. I'm growing it back out, though. I always thought that was really cool. If someone would, like, you know, donate, you know, you have healthy hair and you have, like, you know, obviously have long hair, you know, donate it.

Yeah. You know, okay, so I got an ignorant question. Do you, so they take your hair and they do you make wigs? Yeah. Wow. So it's real human hair. Yeah. Hmm.

Yeah. I always wonder, like, with the wigs, is that real human hair? Is that, like, both? Is it, like, I think it can be both. but I'm not sure to be honest I did it for for my own personal reasons you know what I mean and

I don't know if I can they just it needed to be a certain length I grew it to that length and I was like all right see it cut it off and yeah I'm just gonna keep growing it out again

you know if I can but what's the sole purpose of you growing out of your hair to donate? Yeah it was actually Yeah that's fucking cool Yeah.

Usually, like, people grow it out, I'm like, I'm sick of this stupid hair. I'm gonna chop it off. That was like this whole purpose because I usually like rocked like a slick back haircut. And then like I grew it out to do it. And you guys are at that shitty stage, man, when it's like right here. Like below, oh, it's awkward. Why do you think I've got this fucking deal? It looks fine on stage.

I can get it wet and it actually moves. But right now, fuck, no. It's at that stage, man, it's like, man, am I? How bad? I want long hair. Dude, if I couldn't... My shit's mad right now. I'll fucking...

You look terrible, man. You look terrible, man. You've been on tour for the month. Yeah. That sucks. Oh, my... You look 30 years old. We've been on tour for two years straight.

Oh, God. I need to fix this. Oh, I got me all self-conscious. Dude, no. You guys really handsome. I remember, like, last time you were here, you were leap and you had, like, this insane schedule. Oh, yeah.

Like, whenever I see someone's schedule, were going to Asia and like oh yeah yeah that was soul crushing yeah we did Australia New Zealand and Asia and it was just I think the whole time the whole length we were out from the time we started routing days to chaos and then got home from that was almost 12 weeks so it was like 80 90 days almost it was brutal when we were over there I think we were there for 40 days and we had like 28 flights in 40 days so it was just Just nonstop.

No sleep. Just gone. You're keen up these awkward times and then you're all like your fuse is short. Oh, yeah. It's hard. I mean, especially airports now too. Like they just, it's, and most people, you will understand this. It's hard to relate to a lot of the people.

But when you have like 10 bags and they're all full of extremely important shit and having to check all that stuff in, like it's so infuriating sometimes. And then we lost, like almost all. of our gear. We flew to Singapore. Yeah. It was from New Zealand to Singapore. Yeah, I think at some point during our layover, we lost...

Scoot Airlines. Yeah. Fuck them. We lost like... What are they called? Yeah. They're literally called scoot, yeah. Shout out the scoot airlines.

No. No. Yeah, we lost like $15,000 for the shit, and we ended up getting it back in the Philippines, like, a week later. We gave them our whole travel schedule, and they ended up getting it to... of the places we were at. But they didn't hit us up. I had air tags. I was using air tags to track it and sometimes it would show up. Sometimes it wouldn't and it happened to show up the last,

like the second to last day we were in the Philippines and it was just like 20 miles away. And I'm like, yo, we got to go get this shit right now and we found it. It was crazy. They would only let one person in. It was really hard to communicate with the language barrier. So I'm trying to like sneak through this airport like through their back hallways with like this little pass. and my phone. It has a little arrow on it. It's like telling me where to go. I felt like fucking Indiana Jones. Trying to find some shit.

What did you guys do in the meantime? We were within destruction and they actually happened to use a lot of the same shit we did. So we were able to kind of work it out with them. Great dudes. Yeah. Honestly, they came through hard with that one. Say, hey, can we use all your gear?

They were super trusting because there was one show that one of the countries their guitar player couldn't get into for just whatever reason, passport stuff. He let us take their whole rig for like two days and just let us use it. That's a great-ful for that.

Didn't miss a single show. Howie is a god. We were freaking out though, yeah. Howie, man. Howie's the boy. Ripper, too. Oh, yeah. You know? I was curious if the song you guys put out.

Oh, yeah, also I heard the whole record today. Oh, you did? Did you? Brad told me he sent it to you. Yeah, I was like, damn, this is. I noticed there the last. There's a lot more, it's more space. Yeah. It's pretty cool.

I remember one of my favorites. It was like an outro to a dream killer. I was like, man, this is sick, dude. Yeah, he wrote a solo for that. He came in at the end of the scene. Solo. Yeah. Oh, it's okay.

This is a nice vibey. Dude, literally like just went into another room at the studio and just got stoned alone and cooked up. Then every time they would come in like every little bit, I'd be like, how's this? David would be like, uh, it's okay. But like, you know, maybe try this or like, I'm thinking like, just mouth riffing to me the whole time and I'm like all right cool I got it mouth riffed

Yeah yeah You know that episode of Aquitaine Where fucking Carl's like Mouth riffing That's like literally my life dude I swear But it worked though And I think it's a good result for sure

It came out naturally And that's it And we did two sessions in the studio One was like A little over a month Right up to Christmas We got done like two days before Christmas and then we went back for a week and Carl came with us when we went back just to kind of

hang out get the vibe I didn't intend on him doing anything he was just kind of coming to hang out and kind of get introed to how we work on things and uh there were just a lot of opportunities that came up for him and with being with him with him being there and uh it's crazy to think just when we went in we left that studio the first time we're like we're happy with everything it's good sounds great uh but we loved it and then we came back And it ended up even being better than it was then. Dude, so much shit changed. Yeah, in that time, we had about a month off between that time where we left and came back.

And yeah, it's completely different in that week than what it was when we left. Yeah, it is a cool concept how you could kind of step back and maybe kind of like have like a reset your ear and brain. Yeah, like a good reflection point, you know. That is cool because sometimes you leave and it's all done. I'm like, fuck, I wish I changed this. See, honestly, as much as I'd hate to say, getter was right. Getter sent us back. Yeah.

We needed to do a couple more songs. And then what were the two songs? The last two on the record faces without names. The big chorus song and then Mallet, which is the outro song. Nice. Yeah, two, they ended up going really well together. I wrote them over Christmas in that month as sending shit back and forth. And then by the time we got to the studio, we were like, these songs have to be together.

Like there's just something about them that's just like... Yeah, there's like a connection between... Yeah. Yeah. So... Yeah, we left the first time like, all right, boys, records done. We fucking did it.

We're back. And then we're all told from Gitter, like, we have to go, you know, back up to Michigan. And we're like, what the shit are we going to do, right? But by the time we were done with round two, we're like, all right, what are we cutting so these two songs can be on the record? Right.

So, yeah, Dave's right. Bob's right. Gitter was right. You know... Sometimes it happens. Going back was probably the best thing we did for the album, because faces without. names has one of the bouncest choruses.

I really think that's going to end up being catchy. And Malady is maybe my favorite song to play on the album now. Really? Very Humanity's Last Breath inspired. And I'm a big, big fan of thaw. So, yeah, really, really happy with how those two turned out. Yeah. It's funny with that band, there's just so many bands, like,

it ends up being accidentally inspired by, like, yeah, I guarantee it wasn't on purpose. No, yeah, no, it's just an interesting thing, like, how those kind of just come out like that. yeah that's face is uh ended up being my favorite song so it's cool good on get her

yeah sometimes they're right and sometimes as humans like we need we need to be pushed yeah I was over Christmas I was so like I wasn't upset with people I was just upset I'm like man like we just put like a whole record together pretty much from scratch in a month I'm like I don't know what I'm going to do I'm like I don't know where my brain's going to go it might sound like something completely different because I'm out of the studio now and it was sick.

I sent shit to Dave and I was like, I don't like this. And he was like, I really like it. And I'm like, all right, we're going to go with it. And by the end of it,

it was great. He sold, he sent me in Melody and I was like, bro, that chorus is going to fuck so hard. He was like, you think? And I'm like,

bro, hold up. And I like, I started fucking adding some fucking layers to it. And I'm like, lo, you know, listen to this. And he's like, all right,

all right, hold on, let me cook. And I'm like, all right, All right. He sends me it back. I'm like, see, this is going to be a single watch.

It's going to be. And then fucking, it's the last one that we release. One of the last ones. I forget. It's the third one or is it the fourth one? I thought we were only, I think it's the third one. Yeah. Who knows?

We had too much shit going on. Eventually. It's coming out right now. We go crazy like that. No, I'm still hiding. He's coming out right now. Fuck it. I wish.

I just just big red button Just fuck it Surprise drop Sony would show up What you think Is it When's the record

Going to drop July 26 July 26 It hasn't been announced yet So we'll see Depending on when this comes out

Yeah It's going out tonight Yeah You're all fucked You're like You heard it first You're talking Yeah my understanding

is what this episode's going to be released right around. I don't know. I don't know, but not for a while. Whatever. Maybe never. Yeah. Never know.

This is off the real. This is only for us. There's, the reason I'm asking is just because, you know, Bob said the release date. So I'm like, okay, another cool tidbit of info. People don't realize

that the single we released three weeks ago. That's the title track. Yeah. As of right now, yeah, because we haven't announced the record yet. Yeah, it's like a little Easter egg that's like right in your face. It's like,

this is the, the title of the new record and you just don't even know yeah Land God even got it wrong and I couldn't correct them they said signs of the swarm drops new standalone single and I'm just kind of sitting here like oh you sure about that

really you guys sit back and let that happen so what is I was going to ask you guys what is amongst the low and empty mean it's all day's concept it's about dwelling amongst low and empty people and surviving

I referenced this from like some low points that I had in my upbringing. Really don't want to dive too deep into that right now. But I wanted to express that pain can forge you into something good. And being around all like shitty things and shitty circumstances that you have no control of. You know what I mean? Like I wanted to express that like even being around. around shitty people fucking you can still be good you know what I mean that that

that's a great concept I mean I mean I feel I feel that put that way like you know there's you know bad moments and in your life or like low moments that that you have or being around certain kind of people that might be you know shitty or but it it makes you want to be a better person you know like you you kind of have like these like two roads you know like this makes you something this makes you want to be you know I just want to be like a a decent person you know and then and then great great comes from it for it's like especially when talking about like any kind of art or any kind of like anything like it's it kind of like uh I always had this conversation with my lady like those like painful

moments are kind of like it's what fuels or any kind of darkness kind of feels yeah I like I feel like that art needs some darkness to it to shine you know what I mean truly yeah I mean that was a lyric from a song I don't last record and we thought it was so cool and I was like that's a great record title like well it was a different it was worded a little bit differently but I was like that would be a great record title and so we kind of took that theme and was just like every every song we were thinking about like whether it's the riffs or whatever the instruments and the the vocals like does that feel like dark and

low and empty you know like this music gives you that feeling and just like there's all these parts and where the music and the vocals, like, lyrically line up with what's happening. So it's kind of like he's referencing almost sounds that are being made musically, but with what he's singing about.

So, like, parts that repeat, you have, like, all that shit, like, closer and closer, with all these sounds getting closer and closer, like, all these... I'm trying to think of the big one, but, like, low and empty. I mean, there's all these effects we put

in the record in the songs where it sounds like the song's kind of like the life's being sucked out of everything. That's sick. It's explosion sounds and stuff to, like, that's probably like this record stopping kind of sounds

where it sounds like everything's dying out it's like all of that kind of references that feeling of like low and empty you know what I mean like it's great trying to make it feel like you're being sucked into this thing

and then the cover that was the idea too so it's all just like you're being sucked into this fucking yeah it's like a pit yeah so hopefully people could

get that vibe but that's what we felt about it so it was just cool to like see that all happen you know piece by piece That's great. You really took like, you know, human emotion and it's made it to a sound, which is really hard to do. But that's kind of what we do.

You know, and then you make, like, a concept around it, you know. It's hard. It's hard to do it when you think about it. It happens the best when you don't think about it. Of course. Of course. So it's cool. And getting like, it's done. You're like, oh, shit, this is what, you know, that is what it means. I was going to ask you guys something by my, is that thing ready? What thing? The bowl? Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. He's ready.

I was gonna, I'm not ready, but that's, but that's why I'm gonna do it. He said he wanted more smoke, so more smoke you are gets. Something I noticed about life, you are never ready, and you just gotta do it. Literally. You got a raw dog life sometimes, man. So gotta ask, how was chaos and carnage this year? Dude, it was fucking sick. Hell yeah.

It was, it kind of started off Rocky, but the tour ended on such a high note. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. All the content I was seeing looked great, dude. It looked like everybody is. having a fucking blast. Yeah, man. I missed that tour.

We didn't get to see it because we were on the road, but... Yeah. Yeah. Sick. Thanks. Yeah. You know, nothing against one on a short all. I fucking love those guys.

But, you know, last year, I mean, when people talk, I know and I listen. So when, like, he was like, oh, you know, that tour did well because of that band. So we kind of have to do it again. Oh, you know? Yeah. So it's like, well, all right, fuck you guys, we're going to do it again and draw more people. Yeah. You know, it's kind of, it's like, it's like Jim and Henrik said.

You kind of just remind people. It's kind of mind and I remind. And there's some shows where obviously like the package we did last year was really good. Like last year, Atlanta was sick last year. And then this year, not as many people showed up. But then it's like California shows way more people showed up. And dude was fucking badass, man. and if the guys are stoked,

if my guys are stoked, the band and the fans are stoked, that's what gets me pumped up. Oh, yeah, dude. It was sick. Just had to show everyone who the OGs are. He'd say, I'm old, I'm not that old. And by that, I mean, I'm old.

I feel like that though. We have these shows where we're like, you know, we come off stage and we're like, man, like, I was kind of ass or whatever. But the crowd is having fun all the time. So it's like, that's cool. That's what that's what matters. I mean, yeah, that's literally everything.

What venue is that right there? Do you remember? This is House of Blues, Hanaheim. Oh, I knew it looked familiar. I loved that place last year. I'm sad we're not hitting it this time. I'm really bummed, honestly. Make up for House of Blue Chicago. The show was great.

It sold out. The crowd was beautiful. It's just we were at van troubles. We were two hours late. No. I think we got food poisoning, too. Dude, it was. That shit is the worst.

But as far as, as a set and the show, it was a really cool experience. in the House of Blues, Chicago was a beautiful venue. But yeah, by the end of that night, we were all just shot. Get us out of Chicago. Oh, shit. There's always one dude in a banana suit. Yo, somebody was in a banana suit yesterday. Yeah, someone was in a banana suit yesterday.

Some was in a banana suit. Brian, Brian from Enthias had a banana suit on their hometown show. Someone else in Seattle had one, I think. They might have been him too. What if all these are just Brian? Oh, my God. Okay, so are people showing up in costumes? or do they have it in like a bag?

I mean, I see people show up in them. There's this kid Justin. Not a kid, he's probably as old as us. This dude Justin. Jesus. Yeah,

he has a twin brother. He's like famous as like metal Jesus. He goes to all the shows of metal Jesus. He just has that face. Where? He comes all around. I'm pretty sure we always see him in like St. Louis. Like the Midwest.

I mean, he's come down to like more south than that. I'm sure. I think I've seen them at the W.C. in Chicago like twice. But yeah. I mean, hike with them. They don't normally make it if it's like

yeah, but we see them everywhere and he's always and then I think he has like an Instagram now that's like dedicated to him. Sick. And this is not the we talking but I've seen Jesus twice on his past tour. Once one was Chicago. It was probably him.

It was probably him, dude. It might have been him. It might have been. He's got the white robe and the red sash. Yeah, the robe and mustache and the long hair. That's him. Looks just like Jim Oh, shout out. The guy who played him in way way back, Jim Cavizio, something like that. You know what I'm talking about?

No. No, no one ever... Okay, well, I guess I'm the only one whose mom watched Jesus movies growing up. Like actual, like, not Passion of the Christ, but similar to that. You know, always talking about the Last Supper and the crucifixion and shit. Gosh. Did you grow up in a... I was raised Catholic.

Catholic? Is that him? There he is. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, he did play him in Passion of the Christ. Okay. But, yeah.

What a beautiful movie. Have you seen that movie? Yeah. Have you seen that movie? Yes. Tough is... Well, I was... you know, yeah, I was raised Catholic.

I wasn't allowed to watch it as a child. Even my parents were like, this is too much. But eventually I went back and saw it. But yeah, was raised Catholic, obviously not practicing any sort of religion now. But, you know, it's just the environment I was in. So I was around, like, a lot of, you know, events in the Catholic Church there, sacraments, you know, first communion, confirmation, baptisms. I got a lot of cousins, you know.

So, you know, they were coming to my office. events. We had to go to all of their events. So, yeah, around the Catholic Church a lot, very familiar with the imagery of Jesus and all that. Dude, I, my parents are pretty lax, but a funny story. I kind of had the same thing at one point, and

all of my sick band merch, including a suicide silence shirt, got burned because I wasn't allowed to have it. And now I'm sitting here with you, so that's fucking hilarious. Wait, so someone in your family had burned your band t-shirts? Yeah, they thought it was all satanic shit. Damn. How old are you?

then middle school high school maybe burn the band teacher that's a brutal picture oh my gosh oh fuck that actually happened that shit scared me when I saw that shit back in the day yeah it's tough as well okay oh my goodness I don't yeah my parents never

burnt my band t-shirts that will devastate me I was bummed it was brutal that's money too yeah OG shit now what the fuck I mean like bent seven fold shit slip knot I'm not trying to like super deep but like that's kind of like it was a sense of identity and they just kind of burned that so I'm sorry you went through that that's super shitty I didn't

know I think it's silly but I as a kid yeah I'm gonna think it's you know not the suicide side shirt no what am I gonna wear on Fridays for pizza day you need it dude you need a five band shirts so I can wear this on Monday I'm wear this is going Tuesday yeah I had a mud vein like a gray mud vein long sleeve which is why I thought that was so sick and yeah I was I would wear that shit like three four days a week you got sick I just put other shirts on over it you know and then have the sleeves That's dope. Did you guys ever do like the thing where, I forgot the name of them, but they have,

they're like those felt belts and you let the end hang. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Jay, pull up those belts, dude. Yeah, pull them up. Pull fabric belts. Yeah, they're like some kind of fabric, right?

And they came to different colors and you always have the dark green one. Like this? The loop? There it is. And then the buckle you could choose a letter. letter that people you either choose their first name or their last name. Remember that? Dude, my two best friends used to give me shit.

The double, like, the double clamps, you know what I'm talking about? You had a fish hook them through? Yeah. Just like, let it hang from there. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Oh, excuse me. No, I never wore those as a kid.

I should never eat canes for breakfast. God, what a loser. I should never ate can't for breakfast. What did you wear? 30 a.m. I, well, see, I was in middle school. I didn't really have any fucking sense of fashion. you know what I mean

so I wasn't wearing a belt my parents weren't like sagging or nothing like that I was wearing an appropriate sized pair of pants I just didn't start adding a belt to my outfits until maybe high school and I started to really care about how I dressed in the camo though oh my god that's what I did that's literally what I did

in junior high school I had a long chain wallet with a little mess so hard yeah I used to think chain walls were cool as fuck yeah dude I got to bring up the chain wallet It's hard, dude. It is. Nothing wrong with that. Suicide sounds chain wall.

Let's bring it back. Nothing screams. I listen to death tones. Like that fucking... That's true. You'll see that guy in turnstiled. Dude, that's so cool. Yeah, you let...

Just like that, you wear Dickies and let the bell hang. I had a G. And my boat would match the color of whatever new metal shirt I was wearing. Hell. So, well, it's like a slip-mite shirt. It'll be a red belt. It was a corn shirt. It would be like a tan.

Because I had like this Paula Lear shirt. My eighth grade, I was really proud of. Just like that 10 one right there. That's fucking sick. Whoa. Throwback. Wait, who hit this last? I don't know.

I've been waiting for it. Oh, shit. I'm sorry. Damn. Shouldn't have smoked that shit. He's parked on the grass. It's funny that you guys brought up Catholic. I was raised Catholic, but yeah, you just got like,

I'm pretty lucky my parents allowed me to, like, I guess you'd say, walk away from it. You know? And I haven't been to church since. Unless it was a show. Oh, yeah. Yeah, all the best venues are church venues.

Right. It's kind of funny how that works. Preserving Underground. You guys played that on Chaos and Carnage this year, didn't you? Preserving the new room. How was that? It's pretty sick. It's a cool room.

Their concept is new. Like, they literally attach their record store to, it's in the venue. See, they used to have a smaller venue downstairs. I heard. Yeah. And then like the record store was attached upstairs. And dude, fucking, it's done so much for our local community and stuff.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. The very first show they ever threw was that body snatcher headliner. And it sold out. We were there. It was nuts, dude. We're super lucky to practice there before we do tours.

So that's like our spot. You guys? Yeah. Shout out AJ. Yeah. Shout out preserving. We love you. We would practice in the basement for a couple of years.

We practiced in the basement. Because the way we work is like we just get together before tour. we don't really practice like weekly month by month or anything. So we just kind of trust everybody to do their shit and then we just show up and make sure everybody's doing it. That's cool. So it's a lot more cost effective for us to just book a place when we need to practice.

And he hooks it up. So we actually got to practice on that stage like a day before the body center show. Like they were still plugging shit in, building the riser when we showed up. Yeah, we were hanging out. And like, so it was nice for us to kind of like see that happen over all.

these years and also good for them because they got to test their fucking shit out you know before the show which is cool that's like so that's the spot that's the spot didn't didn't the person that that's running that he was in a previous band correct he's in a couple bands he's in face wreck which is like a like a like it's i don't it's not necessarily meant to be funny but it's just like it's so insane that it's funny i'll skip to the next round he like wears rollerblades on stage and it just goes hard as fuck that's scary Dude, for real, break your ankles on that one. He's been in and out of bands, but that's the most normal.

I'm trying to think of, I'm spacing on it so hard. He's been running shit since I was a kid. Like, him and this one other dude were the guys that I knew booking shows in the city. And I live like an hour out of the city. So for me, it was like, I'm very thankful to those people for doing that. And then he's still doing it. I mean, that was 12 years ago since I met those dudes. Damn.

Yeah, your, I mean, your community kind of needs, like, a really cool venue. That's not like, that's, uh, how do you say it? It's not like official. Yeah. You know, it's not like a house of blues. There is this place, uh, stage A.E or, uh, it's, like, a really big venue. Yeah. Yeah.

And you kind of need, like, that in between that really gets like the, like, like, stagey is kind of like the goal venue. Like, we all grew up going to that. That's like all the big ass shows. Yeah. Like, that's like where you go see Micho Goh. Yeah, I saw my sugar there. Actually, I went to my first ever

Real Metal concert there. It was Gojira and Macedon, ironically, since they're both on tour right now, with each other. Whoa. There's an inside and outside, right? Yeah, the stage actually, my understanding is that the stage actually rotates.

Yeah, so behind it is the outside. It's just a big assay door. What a... This person, whoever created this must have been high. You know what? I'm going to make a venue. It's going to be attached. There's going to be two.

one stage, but outside is behind the stage, and that's a pretty cool concept, man. You got to... That's a very creative brain right there. Yeah, there's not a lot of... There's not a lot of in-between spots now. It's hard. It's like preserving

there's the Roxian, St. J. Mr. Smalls. Yeah, which even that's... Yeah, I mean, Roxian gets up there as far as capacity. So I think, also, he's just doing everything, right? Like, the way they treat people, the way they treat their staff, which in turn, the way their staff treats you as a musician

and the crowd and it's yeah it's awesome it's very much built on respect you know what I mean and like trust it's not like fucking weird shady venue shit as it can be sometimes

you know so yeah this is good he's doing a good thing yeah it's great like someone's nice to you especially from a venue it stays with you forever yeah

it's like oh man that venue that person was was nice to me it's funny how that just stays with you show lots and those shows are always the best those shows are always the best dude because you know going into it it's going to be a good day you show up with a good attitude everyone's got a good attitude and then the crowd's great

because they want to be there or you have the shows where you have like the really horrible sound guy or really bad person and that shit stays with you forever too like oh Jerry the guy that does sound here he didn't plug me in last time didn't even mic my cab up fuck you remember real quick you don't forget that

it could go both ways either way someone's nice to you stays with you some's mean to you stays always There's going to be some rumors about me pulling up, about me being an asshole. I bought this. Oh, yeah, that's the, well, the record store. So I bought a sick shirt here. It was a skinless baseball tee.

Dude, that's crazy shit. I was like, whoa, I had to buy this. Really cool concept, man. Really fresh, too. Yeah. I can't think of any other place I've seen with, like, the Becker store. Would you say it's attached or in the venue? it's like you could go

you could be in the venue really yeah if you're in the bigger if you're in the biggest room there it's technically in the venue yeah they open the these huge sliding doors because it was a church and they open that and it just turns into the hallway and then right across the hallway is the

the record store it's dope and I think the hardcore museum they have is downstairs still but they had like oh I saw that shit down there like Vinnie Paul drumsticks like from back in the day like a bunch of shit donated from coat orange and stuff

that's sick I had a question I didn't ask this last time but that song of the last record death whistle is that like the Mexican whistle

yeah it is right yeah that's the so that's the Aztec yeah can you pull it up dude that was what we were looking at I don't remember how that happened that thing is terrifying Yeah, see, like we were like trying to figure out something that was like a call to arms. You know what I mean?

And we're like, what's something that's fucking terrifying in war? You know what I mean? And then we went back to some Aztec stuff. Yeah. And then came across the death whistle. And then we were like, yo, what if this like. We put the sound in there. Yeah, we actually put the noise in the sound.

Oh my God. We got a sample of it. Yeah. That last breakdown. I watched this video to try to find... Did you really? Yeah. You're like, this is it.

Yeah. Because there's different ones and they make different sounds. There's a really high-pitched one that we use. Imagine being alive during that time and hearing that. That's what I'm saying. It's fucking terrifying. The most terrifying thing you could even... Oh my goodness, dude.

But it's honestly, like, thinking about it, it's entirely possible. that we sample this video and fucking tune the pitch up and that's what's in the song. Truly. Like, I don't remember there is a variable where that could be a possibility

that we just listened to the reference of what we used. Yeah, that might be the video that I took that from and then just pitched it. Well, that's sick. Because I remember getting, I can visualize the sample on my computer.

I have no idea where I got it from. But I remember that video. Yeah, because you could adjust the pitch. Yeah, yeah. So it's super high pitch And then just like a bunch of reverb So it sounds like this huge wall of people Screaming, it's terrifying

You could put in a stereo Yeah, you'll hear it Tonight Yeah, because it cuts through the PA like crazy Am I going to war right now? Yeah, it's cool Oh shit And people will be like beating the shit out of each other

To that shit too You know what I mean, it's so sick I mean that is something that music does It's like this You're just awakening It's like fucking primal thing Yeah You know

Truly And how What's more primal Than that death whistle Dude That's what I'm saying And big boomy drums Yeah right

I love that shit Especially now With like With the You guys that maintain Like the Like the Like the crazy factor

Especially with the drums To me The drum just stick out It's like What does Bobby on right now And then like But yeah There's still

an appropriate amount of space it's badass because that's what makes people move you know that like trying to get that like dynamic yeah we write music guitar first for the most part

unless we have like a sample idea or something but it's usually just like guitar in hand riff and then drums so we try to leave a lot of room for Dave because he's got a very unique voice and so we try to give me why are you doing that, dude?

Yeah, we try to give him a lot of room to just spit and have fun. Yeah. Sometimes you might, it's like yourself, like, is this too much space? Yeah. See, honestly, if I can, there be times where I'm like, man, I'm not doing enough. Oh, man, is that too much space? I'd be shitting. I'd be overthinking it too much.

Yeah, I do. I'm going to quit the bands. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Oh, no. This is it. No one's allowed to leave it. I got fucking contracts.

Oh my goodness. You guys that don't have those thoughts? What about... No. No, I mean, never really quitting. I think about a time where... There's been times where I'm like, fuck off, we're not talking for a month after...

You know what I mean? Like, after we just did the 12 weeks, it's like, it's like, you look at each other and you're like, respectfully, we're not talking to each other for a week, right? Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like there's like those like moments, you know what I mean?

But never quit. It's healthy too. I mean, you really don't spend. I mean, even like, you know, being like wifed up pretty much, you don't spend that much time with anybody. Right. So when we spend this much time together, it's nice to have some time to step away. Yeah, but never quit. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Death did. Yeah. I do think about a time where I'm too old to play like that fast, you know, I'm like, well, what am I going to do? I'm like well I'll just fucking sit there robotic arms or something bro. AI drummer no kicks just rocking it out. Oh my goodness dude. I think you can switch to playing quiet riot style, you know, style beats.

Then we could actually make some real fucking money. That'd be sick. We call that the money beats too. Anytime we put that shit in the song, we're like, oh, we're trying to make some fucking money today. Try to make some real money beats? I'm trying to get out that top ramen, dude. Dude. Talk about my death core.

No, I could actually sit down and order the ramen. Deathcore ramen, dude. Come on. Ramen, I'm wearing at like 50-send fucking oatmeal right now. Who is this right now? You're like, I'm like, I'm like, oh, too, dude. I just said every night. I should have known that. Dude, come on, I feel no noise.

You can't fuck with that beat, dude. Come on. Yeah, it's a cover. Dude. I didn't dressing like that now. The rock version, I just learned this the other day. The rock version of come on, feel the noise is a cover. I did not know that.

Jay, what? All I saw was What are you doing, man? It'll work. Yeah, so Come on the nod Oh, come on the noise. So, who is it then?

Come on a nah. I don't remember the... Oh, wait, is it really C-U-M? Yeah, it is actually spelled... Oh, wow. Okay. I don't know that either.

But see, but it doesn't count because they spell noise with a Z. So they're cool. But yeah, this is... I think it was a fulkier you know, song originally. definitely not definitely not quite right

but yeah Slade I didn't know that until like maybe a week ago either so they're Wait so what So what kind of music is Slade Definitely more classic I honestly I just listen to

You know the chorus To be like is this actually a cover But Oh shit Yeah English English rock from the 70s So you can imagine like I'll take a quick So we don't get flagged

That's sick All right Yeah, so it's... Wow. That's weird. They have style, though. That's a look. We got top hats.

All right, we gotta get top hats, boys. Is there a Death Corps band that had top hats on? No. Not yet. So, all right, so Michael, you're already playing bass with your fingers. It's time to bring on the top hat. Time to both have the top hat? Yeah.

Playing a fucking top hat. It's just like all, just like way up here, like a very classical, respectable bass player. Just like, dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. Oh, my God. Hey, Jay, look up when this version of the song came out. Guessing. Actually, that's the Wikipedia right there with the image. Wiki.

Wiki. Right. Passed it. It's fine. Oh, there go. 1970. Yeah. Yeah.

I learned something today. Thank you, Mike. I appreciate that. Dude, music in the 60s in the early 70s, holy moly. Slade. A whole other level. Ten years later, quiet right. There you go.

Ten years isn't a lot of time to fucking pass. I was just thinking that too. Ten years? Huh. I was just thinking yesterday when we confirmed we're all going to hang out. I'm like, damn, they, like those seven months,

it was eight months ago. Like, that shit flew by. I know, right? I was like, that was not eight months ago. Yeah, we were talking about doing the Garza podcast, you know, a couple days ago. And I was like, again already? It's been a month.

Oh, fuck. It's been since upon a burning body. that was I mean we were here in August that was our last tour I can't believe it's we did so much touring we did a year straight of touring that by the time we we got done yes it's almost been that same amount of time now that we weren't on tour it's like crazy how fast it goes I mean fuck well it's been almost two years since we started hitting the road again hard together it's nuts man truly just goes it's great to like be around you guys and I seem like you have a you guys have level head heads, which is, you know, it's always like, you know, people going to go crazy, people think about quitting. It's why I asked you, it's like asking us questions, you know, we're all different. I thought about quitting the band 20 times last week. But yeah, it's just normal.

It's normal with fucking thoughts, you know. Sadness, happiness, stoked. But you guys help you guys are fucking all pumped, man. It's cool. It's a, it's a cool to see, and it's also a pleasure to meet you, Carl. You know, of course. Like, you really fit in the band very well. Thank you, man.

I watch some videos. I'm not, I don't go into this thing blind. I'm like, oh, you know, it feels like they have a good time. Like, you always, already have the synergy, you know. Hyde mine, baby. High mind. We're all in it. You feel that we do it.

But no, it's very appreciated, man. It was great to meet you as well. Yeah, man. Thank you for having me here and having us here, of course. Yeah. Anytime, man. I mean, I literally cannot believe that was seven months ago. By the time this comes out, probably be looking in, like, the 10-month range.

Right. You know, it's hard to pause time. it's really it's really hard we've been trying to get married I know dude we're not sorry we've been trying to get married

we've both been individually trying to get married trying to work around all the touring and the studio and everything it's a lot dude it's a lot to fucking figure out so okay so are you guys married yet no I get married in September

yeah and we're planning for October so we just both happen we happen to have a month month off of touring so we're like I mean that's the time I wanted to get married anyways thank okay but yeah it's crazy we're just like all right let's do this let's fucking just because we mean this is our jobs ours obviously so we have to take shit as it comes and yeah and so yeah yeah yeah I just I mean I know like it's it's tough like because you had a tough time scheduling like your weddings but I mean it was me

I'm saying I want to schedule September October those those are potential touring months. Well, yeah, so we already have stuff booked out for that time. Yeah. So that's where we're working at the tour. Oh, my God. We got with, they were like,

we, like, we, like, will move our tour a little bit to accommodate your guys' weddings. Yeah. And it was really cool that they did that for us. That's great. I'm not sure if, like, I could say who it is because of the timeline of this being released and stuff, but I'll tell you about it later. Sick.

Yeah, if I can. I'm really appreciative that they did that, though, so we could, like, actually hit that timeline, you know what I mean? Getting into a good fall season tour, you know. So, luckily, we didn't have to miss out on any opportunities. Right. Yeah, yeah. It's just great.

You guys are getting married. Crazy. I mean, now we've, I've known him for a long time, but we've been in the span of for, like, five, maybe six years together. So, yeah, I mean, from then to now, it's going to be crazy. Right. I've been with my fiancé for, like, 12 years. 12 years.

12 years? I've been touring the whole time since we got together. So it's been like just work, you know. What was the year that you're like, okay, like I want to marry this person? Honestly, I knew. This is super cheesy. I knew immediately I wanted to marry. But it just, I put all my time and energy into this that I can.

You know, we all do. So it's like just, I think the pandemic said a lot of things, changed a lot of things. Made me realize some stuff. made me appreciate being home actually because I had to because I wasn't home for so long. Yeah. So like forced probably a lot of people. I know had a lot of problems with that, you know. It's just forced you to.

Yeah, to learn to be appreciative of what you have when everything else is fucking taken away. Totally. But yeah. I mean, that time period probably made some less shift stronger and others probably realized, no, this is not going to. I mean, COVID for me. I mean, I had a child through COVID pretty much. Did you really? Yeah.

So I have a two-year-old boy now. His name's Everett. so you have pretty much being gone from touring and not being able to play music it was like all right well I guess it's that time in life now to get it going and

it happened and it's like it's the best thing on top of doing this like that's what makes this stuff more rewarding in you know in a job level it's like oh shit I have a person at home to be there for some doing this stuff makes it ten times more worth it for sure does that has having a because I don't have a child yet

to be honest I'm terrified of my bones oh me too dude does it Terrified. I mean, do you find it helps you, like, get more, like, focused with what you're doing with the guys? Yeah, definitely, like, it's a weird dynamic because his mother and I aren't together without going into crazy detail. But she's a great mom. She does everything that she can for him. And obviously, doing this tour stuff kind of sucks for her because I'm gone, and she just takes care of him alone pretty much.

But it definitely makes, like, wanting to do things more, make sense a little bit more. It's like, we just got to give it all right now. We just got to do it all. Like, thinking about that guy back at home, it's like, this is just it 100% or nothing. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not old quote on quote, but like I can't fucking struggle and do this shit forever anymore. So it's like we just got to give it all and do it, man. So having him is definitely a fuel to the fire, but in like a good way, obviously.

Oh, yeah. It's definitely made me a different person in the past couple of years having a little dude at home, man. It's crazy. your dad's weird huh i'm a fucking dad yes it's it's really really weird but uh he radiates dad energy yeah truly the dad jokes are just look at that shirt just look at what i'm wearing dude i'm definitely a dad i'm a dad but it's sick man i it's my favorite uh it's my favorite thing that i do over riffing and over everything it's being a dad it's like that's cool top notch for sure when you're when you got like the news where you're like terrified you're like oh no i was

shit in my pants man it was the craziest thing because i was like Oh, you know, I didn't really want to have a kid. I was scary, man. It wasn't like, you know, I met her. And I was like, yeah, this is, we're going to have a kid, like, sick. Like, I never wanted one before. And, dude, it's crazy. It's fucking crazy.

I'm fucking dreading that news, man. But still, like, oh, it's cool. It's crazy how when you live your life for somebody else, it just, there's something, I can't put worse to it, you know. Either like a girlfriend or a future wife. for a newborn child, it just makes you more focused. This makes you like,

I think it helps you get you out of yourself. I was just about to say, I feel like I'm still honestly stuck in that a little bit. Like as much as like I want to live for myself and do music and do all this stuff, it's also having him in the back of my mind, I mean, not the back of my mind, but always there as like a thought,

I can't live for me anymore. I can't do this. I'm like, I didn't make sure it's about him and not me anymore. So it's definitely hard to separate. when you're used to that for all your life just about yourself pretty much. For me, that's like the hardest thing

I think is just not thinking of myself for once and being like, oh shit, you know, like I got a dude, I got to make sure he's all right, you know, forget about me for a little bit, you know. Yeah, I always see you on the phone talking to a little dude. Yeah, it's killing it. It's a lot to balance, I'm sure. We riff for the kids.

We are riffing forever, only ever it. No one else. No, it's great because especially like the life we chose, we are literally wired to be selfish as fuck. Yeah. That's just how we wired. So when you have an opportunity to, it's the other person, like makes you kind of help rewire your fucking being.

It's super important. And then you might have like this, I have personally, like, you're like struggling and like, oh, then you realize how selfish you were. Did you think about that? I'm like, oh, wait, I was even more selfish than I thought. Brings you back. actually brings you more level-headed. You're like, oh, I was like that?

Oh, shit. Totally, dude. And then you see it from an outer perspective. And I'm like, damn, okay, let me dial that back a bit. And it's definitely, it's been a nice balance. Yeah. Definitely been a nice balance. I think, I think the word could be love.

Yes. Love tries, love makes you not selfish, or at least tries to undo the wiring. Yeah, truly. Well, that's something I really appreciate about, about, really appreciated about our bands. All these dudes are super not selfish. That's great. It makes our lives a lot. easier so so you guys try to like understand each other and like try to like you know help

help each other well again i think we are everybody's really in this like really in this i see it you know what i mean so it's like just it's all in the the greater good you know what i mean everybody's really good to put shit aside just fucking we have a goal you know so we just keep moving it's like a lot of people get lost in like in doing this where it's like you start for a reason or you start for multiple reasons and then you know you get a little traction you or you do a couple cool things here and there and I feel like people lose that like genuine reason why you were there

in the first place. Yeah. I feel like with these guys it's just like we're here because we want to fucking play music. You know, we want to put all the bad shit that's happening in our lives and all the good shit that's happened into this thing and it just works when we're all at that same point and we're all feeling the same exact way

about it. It's not like... It's just great. It's just genuine is what it feels like for magic, man. You're on stage and you look at each other and you get that like this is fucking dead. And then you're like back at it. I'm on stage

screaming fucking skew talking my lungs to my boys. I'm like, no. Holy sure fucking playing a show. Let's go.

Remember being kids in our room alone jacking off. We made it, boys. We are here. We made it. We made it. We made it.

Shouldn't have smoked that and I'm at Garza's this fucking studio space. Fuck. Fuck. Okay, so Yeah, just to remind people, when's the record going to drop?

July 26th Of 2023. Amongst the low and empty. Amongst the low and empty. Century Media Records. Great, great title, man. You guys are... So what track did you like the most

on the whole thing? It was, I put it around here, that outro to Dream Killer. Oh, yeah? That was your favorite part? I was like, all right. I got to get it.

another listen though. Hell yeah. It was like a put it on front, front to back. We were just talking earlier like, fuck. Like, I feel like such a dick. Like, I'm worried someone with people who like to listen to records, but I don't listen to records. Like a fucking hypocrite.

It's funny that that song starts out as like one of our most crazy songs in the first like minute. That it ends up being that like totally different. You got to put it on front to back, man. Yeah. I just put on a Dave Matthews record front to back last week. I was losing my mind.

Like crying in my car. It was like, it's just. Takes you on a screen. There's a record called Every Day. It's not a hit record. I don't know every day. But this is when they dropped tune to B. I do love that band.

Being a drummer growing up, like, in band and shit, like we had to learn a lot about Dave Matthews. That record, dude, is heavy, man. He gets so much shit. Every day. Yeah, check it out. Carter Buford, drummer. Yeah, shout out, dude.

Yeah. So you being like, so you being like I guess you could say like a drummer in our genre like what I mean like what do you hear when you hear their drumming? Oh my God

everything. It's like well that's dude I can do this all day Let me on drums bro Like it's such a Especially in that kind of music It's such a cathartic feeling Like it's not about playing

What you're playing It's about the feeling of it And this dude just has such a feeling The way He uses all of the covers and his instrument to like not just play drums but like give a motion yeah that's crazy it's really hard to do that in death metal there's some people that are really good at it mm-hmm but it's very hard to do versus like this

you know I mean not that it's any easy but oh my god this GoPro video from fucking 2010 he's ripping right now I can hear what he's playing in my head right now because I've seen this video so much Carter Buford man shout wow it just rips holy shit you got idea dude And this kit sounds fucking immaculate. Oh, is that snare? He had like a legendary snare. Yeah, he was in all the magazines when I was a kid, you know what I mean?

Yeah, man. It might have been a little past his era, but when I was in band and shit, a lot of the guys that were teaching me were, like, big fans of Dave Matthews and stuff. Is it kind of a trip that a drummer like Carter has inspired our genre? It's kind of crazy, huh? Yeah, well, yeah. You know, especially in drums now, I mean, like, I'm trying to think the first, time I heard ghost notes in a metal song was like that like more post hardcore like metalcore and

you know it's always just heavy shit blast beats you don't really get yeah that was like mostly pop music or country music you're the little snare rolls yeah it's interesting how that stuff has carried into and also a lot of like the most famous drum grooves like you got rosanna and all that shit every every nerd has like learns that shit like if you you know you get picked on if you can't play that drummer it's like yeah a guitar player like you get fucked with if you can't play it like oh play free bird or play sure it's that same kind of thing right

so um dude shout out dude he says wow what it made they're uh they're gonna play here in uh August and I gotta drop that cash see him dude you know who I'm ready to drop

bands for death clock I was so jacked when I saw that they announced a tour it hits Pittsburgh when we're off tour oh it's magic and they're dropping the, they're finally finishing

the series, they're finally finishing, yeah, yeah, all of this. Like, and baby metal, death clock and baby metal. You can line up. Yeah, with Jason Richardson's opening it. Oh, fuck. It's super sweet. So, you know, I appreciate

and respect baby metal, but I'm going for death clock. Honestly, I can get down to baby metal. Oh, I can get down to... I'll be in the pit, like, doing laps to fucking... Oh, yeah. There's this one video of, um, man I forget

but it was them playing this one song forget the title but it just went nuts dude dude they had some good shit the main riff to the main riff to karate banger I really really like that one it's like sped up crowbar that's a great analogy they've had a crazy history of having

really great music how far is the venue from here it's five miles away five miles away yeah this is like the most convenient we gotta get you guys out of here I'm sorry no I just realized the time of was it's 145. Oh shit.

Yeah. Yeah, we gotta get you guys out of here. I'm sorry I was talking about Dave Matthews and love and... We went going. Love and love and death metal. That happens. Well, yeah, again, the new record is out.

July 26th. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Boom, boom. Amongst alone, empty. Grip that shit. Thank you again for having us back. For real. Dude, no, thank you guys for making like a, you know, a dream of mind come true to it.

It's pretty crazy man. It's crazy. I mean, again, I hate talking about it, but like this, doing this thing behind the scenes has been fucking crazy.

So that, when like things that happen, like, oh, wow. Like, it's like, see,

I just like coming and bullshit with you, dude. Yeah. It's easy. This is just an excuse to hang out. Right? Like, truly.

Yeah, this ain't even, I mean, like, it's great. It's business, but this is more pleasure than business.

Same. Same, man. You know, on today today is what I'm trying to, like, work towards, you know like but we just do it is have fun

boom it's out boom that's what i'm saying like it's a great time and like last time we came through i had a blast today i had a fucking great time so that's that's fucking crazy man thank you guys for thank guys for being here uh all right one oh yeah and where where people find you guys uh you can find us on

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well click that shit all right everyone that's it thank you later bye and see at the show baby see you at the show baby see you