Garza Podcast - 89 - ANGELMAKER: Deathcore, Slam, JFAC Cover & Work Ethic

Episode Date: July 31, 2023

Garza sits down with North Vancouver, BC, Canada deathcore band ANGELMAKER. https://www.linktr.ee/angelmaker SPONSORS: distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF! emgpickups.com Promo Code: Heavy 15% OFF! ANGELMAKER is: Mike Greenwood - Vocals Casey Tyson-Pearce - Vocals Colton Bennett - Guitar Matt Perrin - Guitar Johnny Ciardullo - Guitar Cole Rideout - Bass Steven Sanchez - Drums CHAPTERS: 00:00 - South Park Stays Consistent 04:50 - Sharing the Work Load on Tour 07:27 - School of Rock Inspired Matt to Play Guitar 08:35 - Early YouTube Videos 10:34 - Casey Vocal Fail Video (Due to Lack of Oxygen) 14:13 - Starting the Band in Vancouver 24:04 - Learning Practical Skills in School 27:16 - Steven Joining the Band from New York 33:43 - Pushing Deathcore Further 35:27 - Touring with Lorna Shore & Working Towards Headlining 38:03 - Suffocation & New York Slam Scene 42:03 - Peeling Flesh 43:38 - The Future of Deathcore, Return of Old Sound? 50:03 - Mike’s IG Name (xdeathcorex) is Not for Sale 53:36 - Reimagining Job for a Cowboy “Knee Deep” & As Blood Runs Black “In Dying Days” 01:02:07 - “Bleach” & the Power of Gang Vocals 01:04:26 - Work Ethic and Growth of the Band

12 years ago. No way. Due to lack of oxygen in the brain. Look how young he is, dude. It's like Casey's here with us now. Oh, he's going for it. Wow. They're still going.

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a medical need so he's like microwaving his balls yeah yeah yeah yeah Randy what are you doing out don't worry Stan I'm just trying to get a little bit of cancer oh my goodness dude not now Stan I'm trying to get some cancer yeah it's like microwave his balls oh my they got fucking massive yeah they're like hopping around on them like those little like toys the little like yeah Jay pull up that picture of Randy Marsh on balls. Huge balls.

Look up balls on Google. Oh, no. Make sure you get those two. There you go. There you go. He's got the wheelbarrow, too. Dude, but then they're hopper. The lower one, they're hopping around on it.

Yeah. Dude, that's fucking sick. So sick. Ever since they... They are, yeah, they are... They have a doll of that? I don't know if I had that around the house, dude. That's so sick.

Especially you have kids. Oh, wow The boys on tour Dude, the baked one at the bottom there No way, the bong Over one, there you go Yeah Just a little cancer stand

Dude, Dude, after since they came out Dude, they were swinging And they still push it Oh yeah They still push it Yeah, I know They never stop

Yeah It's like how do you get away with Like the stuff that they say They just I feel like it's because they just like There's no body highest. Like, it's just, like, make fun of everything. You know, so it's not like there's ones, they're like, they don't lean one way.

I feel like that's how they get away with it. Because if it's, like, too much, like, one of the other, you get both sides being like, they just make fun of everything equally, I guess. Yeah. It's still pretty, like, it's pretty out there. Dude, you'll, like, do you'll fucking hear something. You're like, can he say that? I know, I know.

I know. If anyone else will say that, they'll get canceled, like, that. Immediately. Immediately. But South Park just has. this freedom. And you're right, they do kind of pick on everybody,

which is how it should be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No one is safe. There's this really cool, like super short, like,

like 10 minute documentary about like how like much pressure they're under to like make an episode because like shit just becomes not funny or not relevant like immediately. Yeah. So they make everything like in a weekend.

Like they make a whole episode like in a weekend or in a day just to be like put it out for the next Monday to be like, oh, this is still funny. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's pretty crazy how, like, they're on it. Is that six days to air? Yeah. Yeah.

It's crazy. It's pretty nuts. Yeah. That sounds so stressful. Yeah. But yeah, it's a great watch, though. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, they're all saying, like, this is the worst episode ever. And, like, yeah. Kind of like how we are with, like, albums and songs. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like, this song sucks. And then it goes out there and then people love it or whatever. Like, really?

Yeah, but you're putting on a song every week for like 25 years. That's pretty much how that is. Yeah, I wonder where you get that creative output. Because that's pretty like unmatched and unheard of. They're just constantly like up in their game. Yeah. I think they do a lot of drugs. You have to.

Something. Well, like mushrooms. Oh, they're doing something. You would have to. Acid. They're definitely on acid. Yeah. You have to be, dude.

Yeah. Yeah, like you ever seen something high? You're like, oh, this makes sense now. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, totally. Well, holy moly, got you with intro. I am honored to have Angel Maker here.

Hell yeah. Almost a whole band, but what, so what's up with Casey? What do you fuck happened? He drove all last night, and he said he only slept for like two hours, so he wanted to catch up on some sleep now before the day, I guess. Sure, it's mine. But, you know, you can still give him a little. much shit as you want.

Yeah. We can just rip on them for an hour. An hour, dude. That's what we're doing. Seniors can't have a tough, huh? Because you guys gotta rest and like, you'll, like, rest your voice. Yeah. We also don't have crew, so we do everything ourselves.

Yeah. Like, Casey does the majority of the driving. You know, Mike and I do merch. Like, we don't have enough room in our van for crew because there's so many of us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I hit up Matt, like, is there six of you or seven of you?

Yeah, and I was like, do six. Never mind, there's five now. Yeah. On the road, usually six. But in total, seven. Yeah. Technically. Yeah.

How does that affect the, like, you guys writing? A lot of good creative input, I assume. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I was kind of brought in as the new guy to help Colton with some writing because he was doing a majority of it before. And then I kind of rolled in and we started collaborating on some songs or I would, you know, write a lot of my own stuff.

And just to kind of loosen the load for him a bit because he had been doing everything essentially, except for obviously leads and stuff that Matt would do. So, yeah, I don't know. The creative process for writing with this amount of people has been great, honestly. Like, it hasn't really felt too arduous or anything like that. It's felt pretty good. Yeah, so you and Colin kind of split it. And then Matt, you probably brought in, I heard you brought in something like,

leads, melodies, melodies, harmonies, solos. Yeah, it's hotness. A little bit of splice on top. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, sick. Matt has a really good sense of melody in a different way that I think a lot of other people approach melody. Because he comes from such an old school background of like Van Halen and stuff like that. So there's so much feel.

It's not even like, there's technicality to what he writes, but there's so much feel in it as well. And I think that's what makes his solos different from other band solos and stuff like that. that? Yeah. I'm just going to sit here and suck your dick for a minute. That's fine. I'll take it. Yeah, Matt obviously practices at home and it makes me want to practice. Yeah, it's, I mean, this is basically, since I started, that's all I would do, like, for years and years. Just, like, play guitar, play guitar. Didn't have a girlfriend for a long time. Play guitar. How'd you start playing, Matt? I was watching, I think it was like school of rock when I was a kid. School Rock. Yeah.

It was that. I forgot about that. Yeah. I was around the same age as those kids, too. We just watched School Rock on the Europe tour and we were all just geeking out. It's such a good movie. Yeah. It's like, this is sick.

School Rock. Oh my goodness. But it was that and watching videos of like Van Halen and stuff. So wanting to be like that good, I was like, man, this guy's crazy. Like, as a kid, I was like, I've never seen anything like this. Or, you know, the stuff he sounds he makes with the guitar, I was like, how do you? you do that. So I wanted to do that and just started figuring stuff out, learned how to play guitar off YouTube videos, and that's pretty much it. I was like 13 or 14, so it's been a long time.

Wow. So you, you had YouTube. I had YouTube, but it was like new at the time. Early days, but it was like early. Yeah. So there's like not much out there at the time. Weird stuff. Weird YouTube. I mean, it's weird now, but early YouTube was something else. There was weird. So, well, I honestly don't know weird YouTube. Yeah, because I mean, most people, it's big because we're all, we're all late in the game, but you knew what was on there earlier. What was even on there?

It's like, that evolution of dance was like the biggest thing. They didn't have all the, like, you know, like the, they try to make YouTube, like, safe for people. You know, these days, kids and stuff like that. They like, there's all those checkpoints when you're, like, they're, like, there's all those checkpoints. when you're uploading a video to make sure like, you know, it's content you own and also like suitable

for the greater audience. And YouTube back in the day was just like, upload anything you want. It's crazy. It was the Wild West. I didn't mean copyright like barely existed too. So people would like upload music videos and get like more views on that video

than the original upload. Yeah. And they would just like make money off of it because there was really no copyright system in place yet. Yeah. It was fucking crazy, man. It was the Wild West. out there.

Oh yeah. Early YouTube days. It was like the beginning of like flash and stuff too with, you know, like E-BOM's World and like all those like... Those were the viral videos. Those what I'm saying. So like they took all those videos from like E-BOM's World and all those like, you know, albino black sheep and stuff like that and then they put them on YouTube and people

were just like losing it, you know. Millions of use. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Or just like webcam videos. Yeah. Yeah. Like Numa, Numa.

Yeah. People dancing in front of webcams. Yeah. I'm going back to Matt, you playing guitar, your video is just like in a laundry room or something. Yeah. It's just like my first cover is to just like super shoddy little like like handy cam just like perched on a like a tripod or a shelf and just like terrible audio quality just peeking the mix and just dude I really I really wish Casey was in here now because there's that video of him screaming and he passes out during during his cover. He's doing a vocal cover of a...

I haven't seen that. Dude, you can literally look it up. We got a... So it's just on YouTube? I think it is. It's called Enzite Fail, because he did an incite cover by Heaven Shelburne.

Why still up? Take that shit down. Because it's funny. You fucking passed out. I think it's just called Enzite fail. Insight fail? Yeah, let's see.

Oh my goodness, dude. Wait. Wait. You're going to be able to find this? Just put Enzite fail. Go down a bit. We have to find this Dude

Oh no Did he take it off? It might be private No Of course the first one's like slaughtered for it Yeah There it is right there Oh yeah There it is

This is so fucking 12 years ago Due to lack of oxygen In the brain Look how young he is too It's like Casey's here with us now Oh he's going for it A young Casey's feeling it right there. Oh, he's already feeling like shit. This song rips though. It's done. Yeah.

Ready? Ready? He starts fading away. He's like, wow. He's still going. He's just gone. He's just gone. He's gone. Is he passing on and still singing? No, he's out. Oh, he's out. He just out. He keeps going too. Just so long of him not being conscious. When did this come out?

It's just 12 years ago. 12 years ago. It's so good. He's come a long way. He starts just fading away, like out of frame. Dude, we just started... Dude, we need to click that and use it for memes. That's so good.

Yeah, why haven't you made that into like a reel? I didn't know that existed until now. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. We don't even want to bring up the... Wow. That day to remember cover?

Oh, God. YouTube was crazy. I think we all have private videos of like... I think I have, like, ancient covers on there that just sound like ass that I just made private. Oh, yeah. You know, you all got to start somewhere. Yeah, you hear, like, Mr. Bees talk about it a lot. like, you know, he, like, deleted a lot of, like, his videos and he wish you didn't.

Yeah, but at least keep it private. Yeah. You don't have to delete it. Just make them private. Yeah. Then maybe if you change your mind, you could make it, make it public. Exactly. Exactly.

Give yourself the option. I didn't know you can make videos private, and then I ended up just, like, deleting a bunch, and then I regret it. Silly, silly, Stephen. But I got a couple privates, so, you know, that are still cringe-worthy. Hell yeah. What job up there? I got a cover from No Time to Bleed up there, actually, wake up. up first on.

Really? It's like on a shitty fucking Dell webcam and it's just like who sounds like noise. I think I had destruction of a statue. Nice. Whoa.

Yeah. I definitely have an OG no pity cover on there too for sure. It's all on YouTube. We're just like all in suicide silence. Yeah. Yeah, we all did it, I guess. YouTube was where you're right.

Yeah. Like a fucking cover. Oh my goodness. Yeah, man. Now we're here. It's crazy. It's weird. You guys came from Vancouver, man.

I mean, Johnny spoke about this a while already. But where you guys came from is a trip out of how far along your band has come. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. You know what I mean? Speaking of Casey that isn't here. But, yeah, because so you started the band with Casey and basically in his dad's house. Kind of, yeah.

Actually, like, to go way back. Time machines go. The band was mostly, I guess, started by Casey, Colton and our old guitarist, Cody, because you joined just after the original kind of like cover band thing. And I guess our drummer, our old drummer, Jesse. But yeah, it was just like a bunch of dudes in high school, mostly playing metalcore covers. Like they did a lot of like Parkway Drive, Kill Switch Engage, Lamb of God, kind of like that kind of stuff. And I was friends with all them, but I was like the deathcore kid, and they were a little bit more like the metalcore kids.

Colton was into Death Corps, but they kind of were doing their thing. And they had another vocalist for a little bit. And Casey actually played bass to start, like way back. Really? Yeah, way, way, way back. And then he went to vocals, and they had another. other vocalist who was kind of like not super reliable. And I remember just like going to their practices, going to their shows, and just being

like stoked that like my homies were playing music. And I was wanted to be in a band, but I tried to play in guitar and drums and I sucked at both of them, like terrible. And so like Colton and I were like working on songs on the side while they were doing their thing. And that's when I like started learning like deathcore vocals. I remember too. You came to that one cover show that we did.

And you did like the like heavier vocal parts too. Yeah. And then that was just like, well. Yeah. And then so like they kind of were like other vocalists wasn't super reliable, kind of got rid of him. Then they asked me if I wanted to join. And Cole was in the band at this time too. And then we all kind of started still tiptoeing in like the cover realm of things.

I think we played two shows together doing like a battle of bands kind of like cover show thing. and Colton and I had started writing some Deathcore stuff on the side, and they as a band also started writing some original music, which was more metalcore. Those songs didn't really ever come to fruition as far as Angel Maker goes, but some of the demo stuff that Colton and I were writing, which was like Blaze and Satan Force from Decay, like we were writing those songs kind of to the side.

We introduced them to the rest of the guys, and then just kind of like snowballed from there. He originally like put our shitty demos on Facebook. Yeah, he did. Yeah. And then a local producer in the area had heard the demos and was like, he had done some really cool like local deathcore stuff. Bands like Between Seas, Doom Cannon, Cleanz Kill, Argent Strand. Those are all like bands from our area.

Wow, really? Yeah. So or around our area somewhere from Calgary. But yeah, he offered to like. record our stuff. So it was like really cool for us. We're like, oh, they've done all these really cool local bands. Let's do it. So we did the newest song we had at the time, which is a dumb song title, but we called it Squirrels. We recorded that song for free with the local engineer, which was like Curtis Buckle at the time. And we loved how it sounded. So then we had some surplus

some material kind of honed it in and that was when it ended up being like decay and then we we went and had our first like full studio experience like in terms of recording like an EP and all those things and then yeah just kind of started in the local circuit and we were a local band for a really long time like so we're just grinding it out that's that's kind of the beginning of it at all yeah you guys were like 16 they did that right something yeah yeah we're all we all were like we all went to the same high school. So it was like, and our high school was like very like upper middle class, very like conservative kind of high school. And so like there wasn't very many of us that all liked metal. So it was like we weren't even in the same grade. Like yeah,

I would just see Colton walking down the hall with a cannibal corpse shirt. I'm like, oh, you're one of those guys. Yeah. Yeah. Same with Cole. Those guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, diamond doesn't. Yeah, you're not even going to see like barely metalcore shirts at our high school. No, for sure. So were you listening to a metal then? Okay. So you meant those guys, but like me, right?

Yeah. Okay, okay. Any sort of like, just like metal or like, okay, this guy knows. Because like at our high school, there was maybe like 10 kids who listen to metal. Or like 10 kids who wore metal shirts. Like, of course. You had like that 10. My grad class had like 250 kids.

Yeah. So like there's. Are you serious? Yeah. So there's like three of us that listen to me. in my entire grad class. So like it was very like you see people that you can kind of vibe with and you're like, hey, you're one of us.

Yo, do you know, gojira? Yeah. What about John for a Cowboy? Like, you know, like, so it was really cool like that it started that way. And yeah, we were super young. We were just like 15, 16. Like when we started writing decay, I was 16. Casey and Jesse were like 15.

Coles like, you know, 17 were like really, really, really. Really, really young writing, like, just what we thought sounded cool. And, yeah, just perfect kind of time and place, too, because it was, like, the end of the MySpace era. Like, I was still surfing MySpace, like, heavily using blogs and stuff to download music. Like, DeathCorps sexy and all those kind of OG. Excuse me? Yeah, there's a blog called DeathCorps is sexy, and you could download, like, everything on there. Wait, so it was a blog spot?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was how I got into like deathcore like heavily was like cruising blogs just download like duck core drug core total death core death core sexy the daily mosh that was like how I got like heavy into like all the death core stuff and cruising my space of course but yes the good thing about the blogs was you could download the records there illegal but you know help get my feet in the door

that's okay I'm broken but they always had links Thanks to all the MySpace pages. So like I never had a MySpace myself, but being able to like cruise through the Myspaces and see like all the layouts and all the merch. Dude, it was such a critical time. But yeah, when we like put out our music, it was the beginning of the Facebook era. So like it was like, you know, bands tagging bands, you know, like for like share for share kind of all those things.

That was Facebook, huh? Yeah, yeah. Oh wow. Yeah. So it was like a weird like I was think like 20s. 2011 was such a like like I was in grade 11 at 20 in 2011 so I was probably 17 and um like 2011 in my opinion was like the last kind of year of like the end of the my space the beginning of the Facebook because we put out decay in 2012 and I feel like that was the newer kind of era of people just

not using my space using Facebook utilizing YouTube doing all those kinds of things and yeah just super weird time. I feel lucky that we just sent it when we did. You guys just, let's just start posting our covers now. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we also, it was like,

and I'm rambling a lot here, but one other really important thing I think for the growth of the band at the beginning was our school had like, what would be considered like a digital media academy. So you could take

photography, graphic design, sound recording, games design, And I think there was one more. You say marketing? Marketing. You could take all of those at once.

Really? Yeah. Holy moly. Yeah, which was super cool. So, like, at the very beginning of the band, like, I was learning graphic design. I was learning sound recording. I was learning all those things, photography and stuff. Like, so Cole was in photography with me. We would use the skills we learned in photography to take, like, promos.

I was in graphic design. I created, like, the original Angel Maker logo, the one we still use. I made that in high school in graphic design. You made that logo. That one right there on the lamonet. Yeah, I made that. Yeah. Dude, that's pretty next level, dude.

It's a fucking sick logo, too, man. That's a sick-ass logo. Yeah. And you were 15. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I didn't even know that.

Yeah. Yeah, I made that in high school. That's sick. And then same thing with, like, sound recording. Like, Colton and I learned, like, our first, like, skills to, like, record demos and everything like that in high school. So, like, we would be in class with, like, the rest of our. peers, they're all like making little, you know, fruit loops.

They're making like fruity loops, fruity loops, beats and like just like random shit. And we're just like sitting there like recording terrible sounding demo deathcore. Computer mic. Yeah, in high school. Colton would bring his guitar to the school and we were just like making deathcore in the corner of the class. So like shout out to my school for like enabling like the growth of all of us early. Like, yeah.

I never heard of anything like that Yeah it was really cool Like our school's like Still kind of renowned But like there's the arts part of our school is like Super big like our drama Like even like the drama classes Like there's some like big actors that went to our school

That like took drama in our school And like kind of moved on from there So like yeah the arts and the music in our school Was like super kind of revered Which at the time I was just like Smok it and weed, skateboarding. I don't give a shit about all that, but I'm like,

oh yeah, death course six. I'm fucking sick, oh my God, I'm high as fuck. I was like, I went to different high school, but it was kind of the same thing. Like, we had a really big arts program, and a lot of kids went to, like, Emily Carr, which is, like, a really good school for, like, art.

Yeah, like art in general. But my music teacher that I had, he did this program called, like, rock school. And at the end of the year, you would play in a theater that we had connected to the school and you play in front of 300 people that's usually always sold out and he ended up winning Juno Award which is like a Canadian Grammy for like teacher of the year so him him doing that and like pushing kids to like you know focus on those kind of things really is what like made me want to become a musician too so like

throughout school and you know he taught recording arts and he taught like okay this is how you properly use logic and everything so like those kind of skills and stuff were like really important back then you kind of like whatever about it but you know now realizing it's like wow I'm really thankful that I got to do all those things and like gave me skills for nowadays right so

yeah those skills you guys are are using now yeah exactly like a way like modern ways I mean that also explains why you guys are still independent why you need anything else really yeah yeah yeah well I learn all this shit like when I was a kid so mine's supposed to just keep just keep doing it

You know? Yeah. Yeah. And you'll be surprised how many people are lazy and just don't learn that stuff. It's true. Yeah. You know, it's even, even now with, like, younger bands, older bands, it's like, there's, like, there's, like, something that you sure learn, but, but they don't.

You guys just naturally just, just had that. It's fucking cool. It's weird. It's weird, huh? It is, yeah. It's kind of like, it's kind of like what you were learning and, like, chose you. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I've always wondered, like, you get, like, a idea or you want to do something, let's say, you know, you want to be in, like, a band.

And then these things kind of just come at you, you know? Yeah. It's weird. Yeah. Yeah. It's like manifesting your destiny, right? Totally. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I think when things manifest into reality, I think, like, it comes to, like, little, like, ideas or things and learn, you know, a class is going to pop up, or a rip will come out of here. You'll meet this person at some party, and then, you know, buy a week from this person, you know, it's just like, Things are just like around you. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And you guys found each other.

Pretty sick. Same high school. Yeah. Not me. Except for Stephen and I. And me. I live all the way in New York. Yeah, you were,

I'm like across the country. Where are you living now? Bronx, Bronx, New York. Bronx, baby. Born and raised, lived there all my life. Wow. Yeah. And you're in a band that's clear across the country.

Yeah. Yeah. We make a way. Cross country and a different country. Across different countries. Oh, yeah. Are you guys talking about perhaps moving or? That's up to you, Steve.

That's all it's to you. I don't know if I could ever leave New York, to be honest. Like, it's like, I know it like the back of my hand. I was a bike messenger for a bit. Like, I pretty much know every neighborhood. Like, I don't know. It's like, it's my place. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I get it. I don't think I could leave Van. Yeah. Van's sick, though. I love, every time I go over there, like, I have a blast. Like, it's, I think it's the perfect balance between, like, if you want, like, a nice downtown area to chill, get some good food, or just go for, like, a hike, literally 10 minutes, 30 minutes. You have that option.

Like, fucking, like, crazy-ass scenery out there. And I'm a sucker for nature, so. Ironically, as a city boy. You know. I love it when Stephen comes to Vancouver. It's fun. It's like, whoa. It's like, whoa, shit.

The pain remains. You should have seen his face when we actually had time to go around New York. Yeah. Katie's like, oh my gosh, let me show you this one. We did a full week of rehearsals in Queens before Pain Remains tour, so Stephen got to be our guide.

That was sick. Took us around New York. Tell me you'd see that face and take this guy away from me. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty fun because, like, I don't know, I was just showing them pretty much like all the touristy stuff,

but like, you know, some things that. that not every tourist knows, you know, local spots. Yeah, you know what I mean? And a week is not enough, but I did what I could, you know what I mean? Oh, it was still a lot, man. Yeah, we saw a lot of stuff. We still experienced a lot.

It was great. Yeah. We did something like every day aside from like practice for three hours. We 10 hours at least just exploring, you know. It's nice to just hang out too. Yeah. Just to hang out with each other and just bond as a team, right? But it has been pretty smooth having Stephen in the band now anyways,

even though he does live across the continent, you know? Like, we make it work, we fly him out, or we go to him. Yeah. And it's just the way it is. Nice. Yeah. So since, obviously, you're clear across the fucking country, like, how'd you end up joining the band? So Colton had a...

All right, so this story goes back a little bit. So I was in a band before this called Last Ten Second Seconds of Life. I don't know if you remember. But we were supposed to go on a tour in Europe with Shadow. Angel Maker and Aversion's Crown originally. So Colton had hit me up to fill in potentially for Angel Maker on that tour since I was already going to be in Europe. Then COVID moved that like fucking, I don't know, three times.

Three times or some shit, whatever. The lineup got changed like three times. And then it didn't happen. I ended up learning the songs anyway, had it in a pocket. it. And then I just ended up leaving last 10. And Colton hit me around. He hit me up like around that same time where I was like moving on from last 10. And I was like, dude, like this would probably be a way better opportunity. And like I know the song. So like why not? And then also like chaos and carnage like who's going to say no to you know what I mean? Like that lineup was fucking stacked.

So. And then yeah, I guess like just word of mouth really. Just like. going on the road with like whether it be from last 10 or like previous projects and just doing local stuff and just like being active on the internet you know nowadays everyone's on their phone so yeah sure yeah and we had heard nothing but good things about Stephen like when we were like looking around trying to find somebody to like fill in for the moment which was chaos like originally yeah it was Europe and then it was chaos right we had heard like Steven's the fucking best he's such a good drummer he's such a good guy Yeah, so cool, he's so hot.

He's super hot. He's from the Bronx. He's from the Bronx. So yeah, we picked him up for chaos and then... Kind of never looked back. Then he fit right in. It's his unofficial tryout when he passed with flying carpets. Yeah, I remember...

They were dropping me off at the airport, like, after the Regent Theater show to fly back home. And Mike was like, yeah, so, like, I'm going to, you know, know, I want to ask you if you want to, like, join, but, like, think about it, like, don't. And I'm just, like, think about it. Like, what is there to think about it? Do you remember what you did, too? So Stephen, Stephen goes, yeah, I'll let you guys know. And then he walks to his gate, like, in the distance, like, in the sunset, kind of, like, looks back with a little smart.

And I'm like, this fucking guy. This guy. I'm like, man. And I was like, what if he says no? Yeah. Yeah. So you think you wants to join? Yeah.

that fucking deep East Coast came out yeah it was like I don't know like sorry don't be sorry that's great that's great

but what okay so you said that but what were you actually thinking you're like yes I just wanted to make sure like so obviously I was a filling like I didn't really know

how the the band operated like on the inside like business aspect just from previous experiences I just wanted to make sure it's like somewhere I can feel comfortable like financially personally like just like everything included just the whole picture and like literally just 10 out of 10 hits every

mark like I'm super comfortable no issue at all honestly so super stoked on it's good yeah we take care of our boy yeah oh my goodness I'll think about it yeah that is so sick dude yeah it's slow mo walks those are words from a traumatized individual Just don't show your true hand. Yeah, that's why that's why you play music. We're all fucking traumatized, man. Oh, fuck, yeah.

Turned out into a sound. You guys made your own sound. And even though you grew up with the MySpace era into transition to Facebook era, that's core and you guys made your own, you guys made your own thing. It's cool. Thank you.

Thanks, man. Like, you know, I can't even tell, you know, who was, like, because it's crazy how Death Corps kind of became like this umbrella. It's like all genres of music. Like, it's like, what is that? It's like this crazy umbrella.

and you guys found found your spot and sound it's dope thank you thanks man you know yeah

I remember like watching guys my damn what what is this where how far how far music has come has been a fucking crazy like journey

for me person in the past like you know two years yeah everybody's sick and I want to be sick too

you guys we just listened to your record yesterday oh shit yeah yeah cool

yeah it was fucking awesome so you know so let's let's so Garza it's it's good but like man

it sucks dude yeah I was telling Matt man you guys like all these bands coming out right now like it's just

it makes I never I haven't played this much guitar since I was a kid since I was like 14 yeah

it's just being on tour with bands like you guys and like seeing people rip and like dude I got a I got to practice yeah

so many talented people nowadays it's crazy it's very inspiring it is it is awesome yeah it is you know you hear

about like like the low in our genre. It's very true, man. Like, you know, the number of tours, you know, it's like, oh, it's cool. But then, like, shit is different now. It is, it has changed. Yeah. But I feel like it's bigger than ever now, too, because, like, totally COVID helped with everything.

It's now just, like, and how big Lorna has gotten recently, it's, like, insane to see a band like that, how heavy they are and, like, playing with everybody now. It's crazy. Yeah. So I think they're definitely a band. that's helping everyone else go up in the whole scene too. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, of course. Yeah, how was that tour with Alona? That's amazing. Unreal. Insane, 10 out of 10. Yeah. Literally just wild. I couldn't even, I could like barely process what was happening most days.

And I was, I actually did drum tech for what, seven shows on that tour. So I rode with the boys and, you know, help set up and all that stuff. And then like my guys came. I had to set up my stuff. And, like, it was crazy days, but, like, bro, like, it was, like, it was awesome. Yeah. Steven stressed. Yeah.

Dude, 11 a.m. to 2 a.m. and then maybe, like, a 30 minute break for, like, food in between. Like, that's what I was working with, man. Yeah. But it was so worth it. Like, it was awesome. So much respect for those guys, man. Like, they are just so humble. And, like, you know, a band at that level, they don't necessarily have to be.

they could be like sure they want it to but they're not because they've been through it man 10 years of fucking just slogging it out being a band and you know and they are at the highest level they've ever been at

and they still you know give us the time of day you know Adam every day asked if we needed anything and they took care of us which was great because like I said they didn't have to do that but they did

yeah they're all really good dudes always respect them very much for that great great dudes man you guys for a second honest lineup and it's crazy to see you guys just go up in a lineup. You got you got you got to direct support to the sold out fucking tour man. Yeah, we're very spoiled.

Genuinely, very spoiled. How'd you guys do that? My gosh, dude. Oh, my shit, dude. I love, I just love seeing shit like that from like afar. I just like being a like observer.

It's like, man, what? I try so hard not to be a dad. As a fun text, you guys and be like, don't do this, don't do that. Thanks, dad. No, we appreciate.

I like that stuff, though. appreciate that like I said to you before when we tour with you in chaos like having Eddie like give us advice and all you guys give us advice like that stuff means a lot to all of us because you know we looked up to you guys and getting to hear that from you guys is like next level shit yeah also goes back to what you're saying about like inspiration too you know we think we're like this young band or whatever and then you're up there playing guitar like you're a 16 year old that had their first Red Bull I'm like holy yeah I got to step my game yeah you're absolutely shredding it

I was like, holy shit, man. Like, dude, he's killing it. Still, still killing it. It's really inspiring. That's why you just play Open Strings. You can do it. You got it, baby. I'm cheating.

I was hanging out with SUFO this week, and I'm like, I'm like, look at that. I'm like, oh, we're fucking nothing, dude. They're like, they're fucking like mid-50s, still headbanging. Like, supplication are OGs, man. Yeah. I've seen it in a person. I was like, oh, my,

fucking Terrence, dude, they're still, this is still ripping the fucking OG slam, dude. It was so fucking cool to see him.

I probably talked about in the past fucking five podcast, but dude, I got it. They got it, they got to get it, man.

Yeah. The godfathers. They are literally the fucking godf. They are like, they're real shit. I remember seeing them like way, way back,

like as a kid and just being like, this is so crazy. And like, Frank with his like, oh, like the mannerisms of shit. I was like,

dude, this is so hard. Man, like it's so hard. They played BTK and shit. I was like, Yeah. Yeah. They're dope fucking man.

This bank goes hard. Yeah. They're so sick. Arguably they, it's been said, they wrote the first slam ever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Ninthothers, man. genuinely. Yeah. So sick. So they're based out of Long Island. Steven, did you ever see him? Yeah. Up there?

No, not in Long Island. I'm pretty sure I've seen him somewhere. Oh, yeah. I've seen them at Gramercy. I forget which tour it was though It's crazy how the slam scene Came so hard out of New York like that Yeah

Yeah Internal bleeding Yeah Yeah Suffocation, pyrexia Like it's just It's crazy Staten Island's got some

Local slam bands too and shit Like it's just a vibe over there I think it's kind of cool in general That now that you know Death Corps is coming up to where it is A lot of the other subgenres are also getting their day in the sun Including slam Yeah

Like kids fucking fuck with slam I am now. Feeling Flesh. Peeling Flesh is sick. If you never listen to Peeling Flash? I literally heard the band name for the first time yesterday. They're so sick. Literally, we've had to listen to their EPs.

Yeah, we played with them in O KC. Yeah, okay, C. They were so sick. Their whole vibe, they don't take themselves too seriously, but they're still just fucking brutal as hell. Like, I don't know. I love Slam. Slam is gangster rap. Have I heard this before?

for? Oh no. Slam is gangster rap. Oh wait, yeah. Yeah, I think there's a flyer. Yeah. Oh, I think we played with them. Okay.

Yeah, they're sick. And they got like the, like, you know, cabs and heads, like old school, like super sick. Oh yeah. Yeah, they were crushing it live. They were so fucking dope. Yeah. Okay. It's former members of Strangled, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. sell and he used to play in a band called I think Camosio Cordes and another one he's been in lots A lot of bands yeah

Yeah but yeah literally everybody on the tour When we play with them in OKC just all Bought their merch yeah so everybody on the Tour package has the exact same fucking shirt oh yeah so we're like trying to figure out who's gonna wear the shirt on what day I was uh so yeah we have heard of them they're fucking sick

I'm like why I think I told him like what's up of your band marketing is terrible because they have a band shirt that doesn't not have the band name. Oh, oh, it's a, the one last one shirt. No, it's, it's,

oh, fuck. It's, uh, they have a t-shirt. It doesn't have the ban name on it. But, but a lot of people know it was like a slang or something. Oh, yeah. Oh, shit.

It was like some, fuck. Yeah, it was a S-G, something like that. It was an S-G-G. It's for all the knowers. I think it's slam. Yeah. Slams.

It's slamming gangster groove. Yes. Yes. Slam is gangster rap. Slam is gangster rap. That's their thing. And I fucking love it. It's the hardest thing of all times.

Actually, what's funny is that I was actually the dumbass because we got the shirt that day. I was like, you know, why you're dumb not putting your band name on there? And then we played some other random because you're playing off shows. You're just in a random. Yeah, yeah. Then somewhere else random. I don't know where close to Oklahoma. And the bartender was like, yeah, peeling flesh.

I was like, oh, I guess I'm the idiot. It caught some of attention. Kids come out for them, man. Yeah, I love it. This all happened in real time. I didn't think I knew him now. I realized I saw the picture. It's all coming back.

When you're older, you just chain link things. I don't fucking know what that is. And then this car is coming back. Unlock core memories. Jesus Christ. Johnny turns around Holy fuck What is that cover dude

Jesus That's a cover Yeah you're demonetized now It's supposed to be As far as I know It's supposed to be a play on Because all slam bands have the opposite They have like a bunch of dudes

Cutting up women Oh yeah yeah yeah And it's massage you know Yeah of course Yeah so it's supposed to be the opposite It's a bunch of women Chopin up its art Fuck you

Yeah it's sick That isn't deep art Yeah. That's a be a cheesher right there. Peelian Flesh, G, shout out. Yeah. Big shout out. Yeah.

Great guys, too, man. Yeah. Super nice guys. What? What did you say? We said it at the same time. Oh, ha ha ha ha. It's okay.

Oh, there it is. The Wampwell shirt. Fuck. Oh, yeah. Well, you're kind of the band that, uh, you're, you are the band that asked this. Um, where do you see, like, the death course scene going? Like, could be, I love you guys interpreted it that way. One of year, five.

years, 10 years, what do you guys see it going? I want to ask Michael this question first because I'm genuinely curious. What do you think? I mean, I don't know, I do think at some point, and we might even be there right now, I do think there's going to be like a level of oversaturation because I think that happens with everything. Sure. And certain trends

will not be as popular as they are currently. I don't think the genre will ever like go away. and I don't think it will be like, I don't think it will be the exact same as how it used to be. Like with, you know, the end of the MySpace era, there was like a lot of oversaturation of Death Corps and only like the bands like, you guys and all the OGs that are still doing it that like stuck through it.

I think we're going to see that again where there's going to be, there is currently, but there's going to be a surplus of bands that want to sound like band X, band Y, and they're going to be putting out record. and they might just put out a record and break up. Like I think that's going to happen again because that's what happened in the past. Yeah.

But all the bands that are like committed to what they perceive deathcore to be or heavy music or whatever they're going to stick with it. But yeah, everything runs in circles, right? Like every trend, like fashion, music, like everything is like in a 10 to 15 year cycle. So like things that were cool. in the 90s are coming back. You know what I mean? Things that, like, and it's just always kind of been like that.

So I do think, like, we're going to hit a saturation point. We're going to hit, like, a point where people are getting a little bit bored of it and they're going to be looking for something else. But I do think because of how accessible the Internet is and how heavy music and deathcore and everything is going now, there's a lot more bands not sticking to, like, the box or the formula that's going to, like, keep,

the genre fresh and like hybridizing lots of genres within the umbrella that we consider like deathcore so I do think there's longevity to it I don't know what it's gonna be in five or 10 years but I'm in it for the long haul bands are also looking back now too so they're like modernizing the older sounds

like bands like dying wish and tactosa tactosa boundaries like those kind of bands are borrowing the sounds from the early 2000s and showing kids now that are new to deathcore this is what death core came from this is what this is so i feel like we're going to have a lot of that too where we are going to have those throwback bands yeah for a while i don't know how long it'll stick around for but we're going to have that but even with like death metal like you know 200 stab wounds yeah on death and so big a big bog thank you see you bob and vomit forth and stuff Yeah.

That kind of like OG Campbell Corpse death metal is coming back in a good way as well. But yeah, I don't know. I do, like, without, you know, the bias of being on tour with Paleface, I do think that their sound is also the future of the genre as well, because it is a blend of like a lot of things. Death Corps is a very fluid term now. I think it's like a, it can be anything. Because does Death Corps bands that have clean singing now?

And back in the day... It depends on what you consider Death Corps. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. This is what I'm saying right there. Don't get me juiced up. Everyone is borrowing from each other. Yeah.

You know, that's kind of what's happening right now. That's why I say it's a fluid term because people have different perspectives on what Death Corps is and isn't. Sure. But yeah, I do think Paleface is one of those bands that are kind of pushing it forward in a different direction as well. With the new metal kind of, you know, slip-noddy vibe. And there's some slam in there, too. And just the vocals are completely different from other bands and stuff. stuff so yeah I don't know it's hard to say it's a hard question to answer yeah and it's so

crazy that they who knew that a band will come from Switzerland I know it's a neutral chill place with cheese and chocolate yeah it's cool I think because like that's one thing I think is really cool about like the era of time we live in now with like the internet and stuff like that like I think like if you think back like 10 years what a crazy live bands like pale face and like within destruction or vulva dinia or whatever like bands that are like in strange not strange but like more yeah like crazy doesn't mean like detached from the traditional north american markets are like able to tour and become popular and do these things like it i don't think it would have been like as easy

for artists like that back 10 years ago so it is really cool like that we are getting like a fresher sound from artists that aren't necessarily stuck in trying to replicate the North American market or sound. They're kind of doing their own thing from their own place and through the power of the internet that like where we get to enjoy it and experience it. It also makes it a global genre now as well, which it kind of maybe necessarily wasn't before. Heavy music always has been. Yeah. But like, you know, Death Corps specifically, like whether that was a lucrative thing in Europe

for a band like us to tour there or not. you know 10 years ago is somebody else's opinion but now yeah you know might be different right yeah so you're right it's very like it's more like worldwide now it feels like it you know yeah like i mean see you're talking africa dude dude just just dude you go out volvedinia man it's crazy sick yeah out there slamming in south africa they were almost here some something to happen with with what their tour yeah they were they were just about to be i was probably stoked yeah i want i want to get him here on on on the podcast Dude, what's it like?

Holy shit. Yeah, that's a lot of questions for them for sure. Oh, yeah. I was fucking stoked. Look at that, dude. Wow. They're sick, too. Look at them go.

Hell yeah. You see a lot of people reping them, too. Yeah. So, okay, Mike, when are you going to sell your IG name? Never. Never. I thought about changing it a few times. Nah.

You can't. No. I can't. I can't do it. Dude, that'll be gone. instantly. Oh, I right away. The minute I change it, some kids like,

oh yeah, it's gone. It's gone. Mike Greenwood official, holy shit. So for those I don't know, Mike, his IG name is X, Death Core X. Yeah. How do, sometimes people get lucky what the fucking sick IGN you got it, dude. You got it.

Yeah, I downloaded Instagram like when it came out. Like the first thing, like I remember the terrible little image it had like the little you know app store image I remember and like it was such a basic app and

you know using five million filters and just making my pictures like crushed to hell and just like deep-bred oh yeah just terrible pictures but I was like X death core X like that's sick

and then I never changed it I did for a few years get pretty heavy flack though during that time because it was more popular at that time where like you know X X is on both sides is like a straight edge thing right so like and there was bands like well people were like are you claiming edge and I'm like no I'm not they're like well then change your name I'm like no that's like more of a gamer thing it was it was I had that in Xbox gamer tag my gamer tag is still X Rogue Reaper X so like

Oh, wow. Yeah. Fuck those. Don't stand for kisses. Oh, my goodness. But, yeah, it's, uh, I can't change it. You can't, no, no. I hope that you don't have to.

I hope that if you do a verification process that you don't have to change your name. I know. That would suck. Because I had to do that and it fucked me. I was like, I don't want to change mine. That would suck. Well, my original handle was Johnny got Graham and I was working on getting it verified. And they were like, you can't have Graham.

in your handle. Really? Yeah. So that's why I had to change it to growls. Oh my goodness. People are like, that's lame. And I'm like, I know. Oh, my.

It's fine. It all worked out. Holy moly. Yeah, I mean, you can't ever get your brand name. I was like, okay, X, Death Corps X is a great name. And I was like, I was thinking about you guys yesterday. Then I'm named popped in my head. Death Corps Daddy.

That would also be a great. Isn't that someone, that's Kyle. I think, uh, you just had. body's not true in anything. Kyle Schoep's DeathCorp, Daddy, 60. Yeah, he's like, Daddy's DeathCorp. Yeah, pretty close.

Yeah. Look it's you. Hey, it's Michael. Hey. Yeah. Look at that tired boy. What a beautiful man. Who's that?

Who is that? Who is that? 19-5. That ratio is crazy. Open that shit up. Let's go. What a way of the great name. Wow.

Everyone go let him know Privately He won't read it Yeah What the hell dude Block Yeah Blot

Report That's my name Report reason He's a coward Let's get our name Back you fuck Oh my goodness Wow

Well also since we're on On his topic I really appreciate the fact That you guys covered A job for For a cowboy Hell yeah I mean talk about like

They are OGs Oh yeah, yeah. That EPD, holy moly. It's cool. That was my personal first exposure to death core. I remember, like, I remember being pretty into, like, metal core and kind of like that, like, Lamogogh Killswit, Bullet from my Valentine, a Treu, kind of like that realm of stuff. And I remember eighth grade, this dude coming up to me, and he's like, you like metal, right?

And it's like, yeah. He's like, listen to this. It's the craziest thing I've ever heard. and he showed me in two-minute machine by Dropper Cowboy. And I was like, I hate this. Yeah. Like, straight up, I was like, nah, this is too crazy. I don't like it.

And then literally the next day, I was like, but I kind of want to listen to how crazy that was again. Yeah, same thing. And then just being like, you know what? This is sick. And then it's like deep diving from there. And then so, yeah, when we were playing around with the idea of like doing a cover, it was like

let's do something that like inspired all of us also the genre itself and then the idea to do knee deep over Intumann was just like honestly like

Kne Deep was my favorite song off that EP Intimine always got like the hype because it's got the video it's got the scream at the beginning you know it's got the virility but I

I was love Kne Deep and so when we were all talking about it we're like why not do like a job for a cowboy cover of knee deep and kind of throw back to the the reason why we all started playing it is yeah it was hard to redo entirely uh because the song is originally in drop c so i wanted to transpose it to our tuning in drop a which took a minute for sure and then i mean they didn't record to a click i mean you guys didn't either back in the day right you just did live

off the floor right so it was the same thing with that so when i was redoing the cover i had to tap tempo everything. Oh wow. And just like figure it the fuck out. You know, it was like a floating tempo. Yeah. But yeah, man, it was fun to do. Yeah.

Nothing in this song ever stays the same either. It's just like rifts on top of rifts. It's so hard to memorize. It was the same with the lyrics too. Like I own a few versions. I love collecting like old school deathcore stuff. So like I own a few few versions of that Doom EP. Oh, wow.

And every single version has the same like print of lyrics. and they're like wrong. Like they're not all the lyrics are like in the lyric book. Oh yeah. So we had to like crank the music and be like, I think he's saying this. Like to cover it because there's like there's not actually like the proper lyrics. And the lyrics also like that are printed in the book like are written a certain way, but they're said a different way in the song.

So we had to like almost rewrite the lyrics for the song. to make the cover work which was super weird yeah yeah yeah dude they fucking they are sick I remember when they came out I was pissed

really I was pissed when they came out because they were because they were popping off in where I was from and it's because job for a cowboy like it was really they were like

for me like the first real competition right it's like this is not our town anymore it's not like us like as just killing all of our local bands. I mean, me and they're like, okay, man who play with us, they're dead.

And sure enough. But then once I heard them, oh, it's like, this is real now. Yeah. And we're just like, I don't know what we did it on purpose, but we were both just like... Trying to want up each other?

Yeah. Yeah, we did. Our first tour ever was with them, and their first tour was with them. And no one knows that the tour even, like, existed. And we're kind of talking shit on, like, each other, you know? But that, I mean, like, the competition.

It was just like it was real and I wanted him to fail Yeah I was like I might fuck this band Because I mean you want that because they were I saw real This is this is real It's great Yeah this is what it should be

You know deathcore and then Both our bands took off And we're both then We're playing with each other These small bars and then now we're both in arenas Yeah it's crazy I owe a lot My career I do owe to that band

Yeah that's so sad I was never pushed that much until I started hearing. Because then you're going to school and you're seeing the t-shirts. And people are talking about them and like, oh, this is. Yeah, this is real. Yeah. This is real shit, dude. Shout out to Johnny, man, singer.

Yeah. He's an incredible vocalist. Incredible. Incredible. Yeah. To this day, like, still just. Crushing. Oh, yeah.

I'm, if I could sound an ounce like Johnny Davey. Oh, man. Oh, gee. Look at that, dude. They're fucking kids. Yeah. Kids, dude. Such a classic video.

They had a great rifts, dude. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, sneaky technical. Yeah, like, they're actually pretty damn hard to play. Really? Yeah, dude. Like...

Was it Genesis? Genesis? Yeah. The one after. The more death metal record. Yeah. The little, like, demo EP they put up before Doom was also so sick. This album artwork is also just iconic as fuck, too.

Yeah, that's great. You did talk about the reimagining of the artwork, too, the artist that we liked in. Oh, yeah, yeah, it was really cool. Like, we wanted to do, like, with our covers, like, we wanted to do, like, a full homage. So, like, we had all the covers, like, reimagined by another artist to do, like, kind of cover the song, cover the artwork. And then we tried to do the same thing with the logo, too. I had, like, a dude that I hit up, and I was like, look, we're doing these covers. if you can try to do our logo in vain of like those bands logos.

So we could have like a complete kind of package of like the covers, which I thought was cool. So instead of just doing like a generic kind of artwork with like our logo on it and just being like here's our cover song. Like I wanted to have like the full fucking package. Yeah. You know what's crazy is it made us feel old because we did these covers. And then kids were like,

yo this new song is sick and like no fucking idea who these bands were and then being like can you believe that this cover looks just like that one like it's like that's the fucking point kids didn't know they're young they have no idea who these bands are yeah wow

or they don't know how to read but that was but also I think like it's nice to talk about this because we haven't really publicly talked about any of this stuff like you know you read the comments here and there but um because there's a lot of people

were like more of the older head kind of people and they're like why would you cover this song like the original is like the best it's ever going to be sure like you know and typical with a lot of covers um but that was like never our goal was never to like outdo these songs or like modernize them it was like to bring this new generation of fans of deathcore of young kids who like their first bands that like get them into the genre all like Lorna Shore or us or brand of sacrifice or shadow of intent it was the goal to like have those kids listen to these songs and then go back like be like wow this song rips and java cowboy rips like yeah suicide sounds rips like going into all these like older bands that inspired us

to write this stuff that was the goal like it's not just you know it's our own homage yeah and and it was It's fun to do it, but I wanted to like show these kids that like this is where it started. This is why we are a band. Like go back and listen to this stuff. Yeah, I appreciate where we came from. It's timeless. It's timeless. Yeah.

Yeah. It's crazy to think that the intuement of the machine scream, that's like our moment and then kids' moments now is like the snarl from to the hellfire. Yeah. That's literally like the comparison. It's so true. Yeah. It's pretty nuts. Yeah.

I mean that and what you guys have a song? What song is it? Is it Leach? Yeah. Are people like seeing along? You have like the gang vocals. Yeah. I was like, damn, it's crazy, huh?

Dude, yeah. It's insane. I never, I never really thought that song would ever be like it is now. Like, I remember writing that song back in the day. And I did, like, the goal of the beginning of that was that. Like, I saw a lot of like OG bands do the gang vocals, you know, or even like, even just the sample that everybody. yells. Like, you know, like, because like, like, in, like, example, for

Carnifax, it was like, I remember seeing Carnifax way back in the day, they laid out of my face, and everyone was like, what the fuck? And everyone just yells it, you know? I wanted, like, those moments to, like, be translated into our music. And, like, I was like, oh, we'll do this intro and we'll do this, like, this gang vocal chant thing. But I never, it just wrote it and was like, cool, yeah. That's like, like, services my, what I thought the goal, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then here we are like, I don't know, it's like our biggest song. Six years, seven years later. And it's like, you get a whole room. A whole room of kids screaming that part is like, I'm feeling, I don't know. Atlanta is insane. Atlanta was like over. How many people is that?

Like over a thousand people screaming. It was insane. I'll speak on this from an unbiased standpoint because I didn't, I wasn't a part of the band when Desentia came out. But in our local scene and in death core in general at the time that. record is huge for a lot of people like dissentient when it came out yeah that you know have songs like leech dark omen like that like that like for me when i just moved to vancouver hearing that record i was like whoa like this like left an impact on a lot of people oh yeah big time like for me it's an honor getting to play these songs because i was a fan of the band before joining yeah and i feel like

that record still holds like a very important place and a lot of like deathcore kids hearts like that dissentian record is an homage to like so much and it's like a staple right now of the genre, in my opinion. That's so crazy. It is crazy. It's crazy.

I mean, it came out in 2015. I mean, you guys have really been grinding on me. It took a while for, I mean, you're saying it's now, it's a staple now. It's crazy how long it took Angeloulinger to really, okay, now you guys are Yeah, that's what I was meeting

earlier when I was like, we were a local band for a long time. And we've been a band a long time. And I think that's something that like not a lot of people, notice or think about, which doesn't affect me in any way. Like, that's cool. But, yeah, like, you know, 2011 to, like, 2017, we never toured.

Like, we just played local shows. We put up music. We just did it for, like, and we still do, but just did it for the love of being like, yeah, deathcore is sick. I want to write fucking deathcore and just play any local show we get offered and this and that. It wasn't really, like, ever at that point, like, there was no idea of it being, like, like a career, a job, or anything that was like that.

It was just like, this is sick, let's do it. And then, yeah, after Descension came out, it was like a lot of people started noticing us and a lot of people started giving us attention. And then it was like, oh, you guys should tour. And it was like, well, I don't know shit about touring. And we did our first two tours, headlined them and just full send, just like not knowing anything about anything. And it worked out, great.

And then, yeah, we got Summer Slaughter right after that. Summer Slaughter, which is our third tour ever. And it was like, all right, big boy pants on. Yeah, I got a belt now. Come on. But these guys did it the right way, man. They waited. They created the demand and then they supplied it.

They didn't shoot their shot right away, immediately go out and tour, lose a bunch of money, and have nobody come. They created fantastic art that people wanted to hear live. They created the demand, and then they supplied it. It was a very, like, well, thought out methodical like patient way to do it you know what I mean that's sick man yeah at the same time we're like we don't know what we're fucking to say

very well thought out that was totally nobody fucking knows what we're doing I don't fucking know I'm doing I know but I've been joking about that but it hit me like three weeks ago like oh wait I always see that jokingly but I don't know what I'm doing however you know what you want you know you know what you don't want yeah yeah exactly

you kind of just do it right you're just doing it yeah you know so I don't want this, but I want this and just do it. Yeah. It's sick. But yeah, I'm honored that you guys came here, man. Oh, we're honored to be here. Yeah.

Thank you, man. We've got to get pale face in here. Yeah. Yeah. I'm fucking proud of you guys how far your band has come. Thank you. Thank you, man. Thank you so much.

It's really cool being in like the outside, but in it at the same time and seeing you guys. Fucking just go go up, go up the flyer, man. It's badass you guys. You guys have earned it. Thank you. Thank you. It's an honor for us, too, like to know you. and we're friends with you now.

It's like, you know, 10 years ago you'd ask us that, we're like, no way. Yeah. Not a chance. I would believe that. Yeah. Thank you too.

Angel Maker is now an official staple in the death course scene. Thank you. Official staple, man. You guys aren't going anywhere. It's badass. Appreciate you, how do you guys?

Thanks, Chris. Where can people find you guys? Everywhere. Facebook, Spotify, iTunes, Instagram. TikTok. TikTok. Twitter.

We try to be everywhere we can. Sick. Yeah. Cast a wide net. Yes. Angel Maker band. Come see us on tour. Yeah, come see us on tour and keep your eyes out.

We might be back here. See our end of the year. Sooner than later. Check out. Angel Maker, tour, record, singles, merch. That's what's up. Consume. That's it.

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