Garza Podcast - 96 - GOATWHORE: Louisiana's Metal Legacy, Elitism, Acid Trips & Staying Inspired

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

Garza sits down in-person with NOLA extreme metal band GOATWHORE. https://www.linktr.ee/goatwhore SPONSORS: distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF! emgpickups.com Promo Code: Heavy 15% OFF! GOATWHORE is: Sammy Duet - Guitar, Backing Vocals L. Ben Falgoust II - Vocals Zack Simmons - Drums Robert Coleman - Bass CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Holiday Decor Year-Round 02:53 - Louisiana Bands 07:03 - Metal Elitism 08:53 - How the Band Gets Along Throughout the Years 12:42 - Touring Lifestyle 15:42 - New Orleans/Louisiana Music Scene 23:00 - Crash Worship’s Crazy Live Shows 29:16 - Origin of Acid Bath Band Name  32:01 - Taking Acid While Playing Live 36:43 - Growing up in Louisiana 43:38 - Staying Inspired 44:50 - Zack (Drummer) Joining at 17 Years-Old & Adding New Energy to the Band 51:08 - Terrible Drummer Auditions  54:42 - How to Say “New Orleans” 55:56 - Mardi Gras 58:32 - Louisiana/Texas Music Connection 1:03:36 - Where the Louisiana Metal Sound Comes From 1:05:05 - Drowning Pool, Flesh Parade 1:09:31 - Hair vs No Hair  1:10:30 - Not Quitting Music  1:13:40 - Paralysis (Ben’s 1st Band) & Soilent Green  1:18:00 -  Discovering Music Past & Present  1:26:03 - Best Audio Quality Format 1:27:47 - On Tour w EyeHateGod

Yeah. It's, yeah. The thing about when GoHorse started, though, too, it wasn't, it wasn't like we were going out there saying, oh, we're like this black metal band. You know, it was just, it was how dudes that grew up in a Louisiana scene took in influences of black metal and then created it. But also blending in like black metal, thrash metal, things like that and kind of culminating an own idea within like a Louisiana sound. Use ENG pickups because they help you get the heaviest tone. possible. Head over to EMG pickups.com and use

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And now to the heaviest podcast of all time. Three cats, two dogs, a bunch of chickens. Oh, you're full on? Yeah. You have like a farmer's on? No, not a long.

It's sick. Well, dude, I'm honored. We have Goat Hoare here. Yeah, thanks for having us. It was cool. We're just hanging out. When was that? Like a couple months ago?

It was May, right? Yeah, that was. It was May. Milwaukee Metal Fest? Mid-May. Yeah. Something like that. That was a great time.

You always celebrating Christmas here every day? Yeah, I've been told that I should take down the tree because it's confusing people, but it means something, though. Okay. That was when we played Florida. This was a gift from George Corpsegrinder Fisher. Oh, awesome. Yeah, okay, yeah. So he literally, he decorated our bandwagon for Christmas, and we had a treat.

Oh, yeah, so you definitely need to keep it up, for sure. You know when you get a gift and you're like, I don't want anyone to send a band to take that, so that you hurry up and take it? Yeah, yeah. That's basically what I did. That's good. That's awesome. But it's fucking confusing people, you know? But you have a story behind it, so that's all it matters, really.

I put a sign right here from from corpse grinder right if it out okay no no no no you tell the story it's part of the whole thing you know somebody mentions it you know I see it and I'm like okay he's got a tree up but then I also see people in neighborhoods that leave their lights up year round and stuff like that they really there's some areas I've been yeah that might be a bit much right if you had ever lights up all year round like Sammy right I just leave my Halloween decorations up here wow do you really yes Oh, wow. But that's just normal at my house, you know.

It is. Well, if you want to call them Halloween direct decorations, you know. Lots of skulls and weird stuff like that in the yard. Sounds like Halloween. Yeah. I mean, you guys are, you're just, you're a different breed. Like the Louisiana scene is, it's kind of like its own thing, you know? It's like a, like just a sound alone, you know.

But yeah, I mean, it's also different to that because a lot of the bands, like, they don't like, like, Goathor's nothing like Crowbar. No. Grohbar's nothing like Goalur. I hate God, it's nothing like goat, you know. So there's like this thing where there's a bunch of bands from there, but they're all their own, like, entity as well. And the weird thing, too, is a lot of times a lot of these bands share members. But it's the other band they're in is totally different from this other band there in, you know. Yeah, you can't really.

tell, you could sort of tell with certain members do their thing in other bands, you know what I'm saying? But it's done in a different way. That makes any sense. And even like some of the bands that, the local bands that are there, all the bands are doing their own thing there. You know what I'm saying? Like there's no really, like he said, there's no bands that like sound like each other. You know, because there's a whole bunch of new, slew of new bands that are coming out now that just are doing their own thing. Yeah, none of them sound like, they're really influenced by older, like, New Orleans bands, but they don't sound like them.

Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. What are the bands that are up coming out? Oh, man. Oh, yeah, bratt. Brat. Brats.

Sounding? Sounding. A heraclion. I love that. Yeah, Heraclion. Yeah. There's a bunch of a man, and they're all doing, like, their own little thing. But then you have the whole thing, like, abysmal lord, and morbid torment.

and uh my hand it there's like it's just a bunch of different stuff there that's just that's a logo yeah that's a really good logo that's a logo that's a band name great band man solid yeah yeah band great dudes well i i i could i could only imagine growing up there now where they have like this whole like i mean now it's like a legendary bands and sound like you know you have like the gohors and i and i hate guys even go even further for like the exhorter is like you have like like this whole like rich scene that you probably listened to you when you're you know when they were like 13 or 15 and now they're their own band that has a completely other sound yeah and now and then the whole like i assume like the whole louisiana scenes like starting over

yeah yeah that's crazy yeah it's just a it's just a perpetual cycle there not that other scenes don't have that either it's just it's really unique to notice that there's so many bands that are influenced by older nuance man but they don't tend to to like say oh we're gonna take this sound and then we're gonna like create our own element of it's like they just do their own thing yeah kind of move forward with it it's weird there

because for a while there weren't a whole lot of new bands coming out like remember that where it was just like it was just kind of stagnant it was like a dead period for a while it's kind of weird when was that man that was

probably like 15 years ago yeah 2005 2005 I don't know it's It might be unfair to say that. Maybe our memory is just weird because there's always. But maybe it's not, maybe two,

it's not necessarily like a bunch of new bands, but the bands like, kind of with their own. Go and Coral Bar, all those bands with their own, like, identity and thing going on, maybe, you know,

I don't know. It takes a while to, to have that, what's the word? Not, not resurgence, but like the other, the newer generation,

it kind of, takes time. Yeah, yeah. Because, you know, I mean, you're, you're doing your thing. We're all doing our thing. And then, before you know, it, 10 years past, you know, and then, oh, wait, like, abandon really come out the past, you know, 10 years or 15, but it's like a whole other, like, cycle of people come in and, like, here, here what's going on.

You know, it's a, I mean, we kind of have that in common. It's crazy how long it takes to have, like, just to earn your stay. you know because uh because i heard that that goad horde kind of got shit and flack when you when your band first came out is that is that true like we're kind of like like like uh like oh it's not black men all enough it's not this enough it's not that i mean i guess remember those idiots yeah but you're always i think you're gonna have that in every kind of genre in so sort of way you know you're gonna have the people that are like the

cult people that you know you got to have a certain idea a certain regimen you know certain it's It's funny because a lot of these people talk about no rules, but then they create rules internally, you know? Like even like the quote unquote elitist type people and they're like, yeah, it can't be this way. It's got to be this way. It's just like, wait a minute, I thought you said there's no rules to the game. Isn't that weird? Like we, like you play the music for no rules, but then to get rules. You have to, yeah.

It's, yeah. The thing about when GoHorse started though, too, it wasn't, it wasn't like we were going out there saying, oh, we're like this black metal band, you know, it was just, it was just, you know, it was just, it was. It was how dudes that grew up in a Louisiana scene took in influences of black metal and then created it, but also blending in like black metal, thrash metal, things like that and kind of culminating an own idea within like a Louisiana sound. So we weren't sitting there with a stamp going, we're like the biggest black metal thing in the southern United States, you know? Yeah. Yeah, these people that come out and they'll say different things. but we were just dudes that were into like more the earlier like stuff like Celtic frost, bathery, venom and then we were into like more of the modern stuff at that time which was like

emperor and vans like that dark throne and we just took those influences and kind of mixed them in with what we already had as a sound within the scene in Louisiana. And this is I want to say because you because you guys met in like 98 correct? I was earlier than that. It was like 90, because the first record we put out was like 96, 95, something like that. 99 was the first record came out. But I've been knowing him for a long time, though, before that, prior to that. So when did we put on the first demo?

That might have been around 97. Yeah, somewhere up in there. Yeah. How do you guys not kill each other yet? It seems like you guys are still best friends. Oh, he comes close sometimes. Oh, it does. No, I mean, don't be fooled.

I mean, everybody across the board in every band has been together. And, like, sometimes people are like, yeah, it seems like you'll get along, but there's points, you know. You're getting arguments. You get, you do, it's a natural thing. It'd be, I think it'd be totally unnatural if you were together that long. And it was, like, never any kind of, like, clashes or anything like that. Mm-hmm. And be like, what the fuck's going on here?

I think the secret is giving everybody their space and doing, in to just get the fuck away from them, you know? Yeah, because that was a question I had for you guys. It was like, how do you maintain that kind of relationship? And it's just knowing like the person that, people that that you're with and just don't with the back off and just let them be, you know, don't try to prod them, you know? Yeah. Does that come with knowing, like shutting down your own pride?

It's okay. Like, you kind of have it going on in like your head, hey, I, you can say this, say this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not going to end up well. It's not going to end up well, right? Yes, exactly. You nailed it on the head.

But I think it also comes in time, you know, in age, and you start to know somebody and you're like, all right, right now is not a good time, you know, we'll discuss this at a different point. Or we're not going to argue about it now because nothing's good is going to be said. Let's wait until everybody kind of calms down. And then, yeah, you know.

It's like a, you know, like being married, but it's just, you have more people involved. And so there's a lot of, like, things there, you have to kind of stop and go, well, wait a minute, it's not just these two. It's all four of us, and we have to, like, sort it out from whatever point. Exactly. So there's a lot of, you know, talking here and there. There's a lot of silence here and there.

There's a lot of little bit of everything here and there. A lot of awkwardness. I love that awkward silence. I love it. That's, like, one thing I'm like, yeah, it's awkward. It's fucking sick. So you're the instigator of everything. Kind of, kind of.

But it's more like, it's always like, if I say something, it's always like kind of, how do you say, break up, break the air. You know, it's like, it's always like hard. I'll say it's kind of dickish, but it's always like to make people laugh. Yeah. You know, it's like, we're all.

And you guys, you know, you have four humans in a van going in a different state, every day. You know, it's just, things are just bound to break and guys, you know,

I see you and guys, yours are all great energy and vibe. It's like, damn, what, what are they doing? Doing yoga?

Maybe mental yoga. Mental yoga is a good way to put it, dude. That's a great way to put it. You know, whatever it is, you know, whether you need to,

like, sleep or escape with some other kind of music or whatever, you know, something like that. like a mental yoga, I guess. Yeah, you know.

There's a lot of factors, man, to lead to, you know, like poor sleep, you know, or, of course, you're hungover or... Yeah, the road will just wear you down, you know? Sometimes you just step away

and tomorrow will be a better day, you know? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm not sure people realize about this, about your band, but, so you'll, let's see, for example, you'll do, like, a month's long tour. And, but you don't really even necessarily get hotel rooms.

No, we did well actually we're getting hotel rooms more often now now. Okay, there we go. As we get older, I think the rooms come to Moore's perspective because Okay, good. The body is just not as fully as agreement anymore, you know, it's like no, I'm not sleeping in the front seat sitting up for eight hours. It's not happening. We also bring more people as we have crew with us now, so that helps yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Can't everybody can't fit in the van every night. I mean, we were definitely like more so like a DIY punk band like years back, you know. doing metal. Yeah, it was just us in a van. That's it. Yeah. And that was our house for a month or longer.

Yeah. I mean, we had to, times we'd do, there was one year our clocked we had toured probably over nine months out of the year. And that was strictly in a van, no hotel rooms, just the four or five of us. Yeah. Whose idea was it to not do hotel rooms? It's Yanis, huh? It was. I think it was a mutual thing.

Because also money, you know, you try to... A lot of people have these perceptions of bands and, you know, touring and everything. And if you really dig in, like, there's a lot of, like, you really have to be good at money and finances and keeping things in order. Because even, like, an off day is like, oh, man, you can spend so much money on an off day. Just driving and doing... You know what I'm saying? So it's like you got to do everything right to keep everything going. And everybody thinks all this money is flowing in.

But no, you know, sometimes it's not flowing in. Expenses. Yeah. Expenses are fucking up. They are absurd. Yeah. And now lately, you know, they went up even more. So.

Yeah, with gas and fuel and even like a, you can even say like a van rental. Yeah. All of that. And then our lifestyle stays the same. Yeah. Pretty much. But we keep doing it. What is that?

It's the only thing I know how to do, man. But you can't fucking stop. And never get tired of that 45 minutes or an hour on stage. It makes all the other bullshit worth it. It does. Absolutely. Without a doubt. It's like a release without even knowing.

You get it out, all your craziness. It's why the metal band is so I think they're like the most chill. you know there's something about I think we just go in nuts and that's all right now let's just sit back and do nothing yeah and some people will drink a lot of whiskey

okay yeah anyway but yeah I just want to set the stage real quick is that you I mean so you guys are from

Louisiana yeah okay well not like currently people live in different areas but the band has always been based It started as Louisiana. Yes. Yes.

Because Zach's in Arizona, like a psycho. Yep. And Robert, are you still in Texas? Yeah. Nice. Austin. Austin, Texas. Beautiful.

It's probably growing way fast right now. That's ridiculous. Yeah. I still love it, though. I travel a country a lot. There's nowhere I go, oh, I would love to leave Austin to move here. Austin's a great place. It's getting out of planned, but it's a great place.

It's home. Yeah. More home than anywhere else has been for me. I've been there 22 years. 22 years? Oh, shit. Planned on living there three. They're 22, almost 22.

Oh, shit. Crazy. Yeah, I mean, he's seen like that crazy growth of that, that sound. Yeah, yeah. You know. But, I mean, you guys came up and, like, you're talking, like, the 90s. And, like, how was, like, the 90s, even, say, early 80s, like, Louisiana heavy scene? Because, I mean, you guys came up and experienced a time that we don't know.

Well, it's crazy. It's like, you know, Crowbar and I, A God, were active during that time, believe it or not. And what was that all the big one? Graveyard Rodeo and Exorder, they were all still doing stuff back then, you know? But it was scary back then. Was it? Yeah, I guess because I was so much younger and there was this huge, like, hardcore scene there with all these really, how can I put it? undesirable people involved. Oh my goodness. Uh-oh.

And just make the shows no fun. Damn, really? Like, it was some wild shit happening back then, man. You guys have probably had like real pits. Yeah, very real. Oh, they had some chaotic shows. Very violent. I remember like DRI touring, you know, on crossover and stuff like that.

It was like DRI creator, Holy Terra at this place, Stoyl of Jazz Hall. I was at that show. That show was insane. And I was staying in the back watching the whole floor of chaos, but then watching lines of people on each side of the PA lying up to dive off the stage. And it was just like this whole machine that just kept going. It was crazy, crazy shit.

So it was just a scary state, a scary place. And Exorder. When Exorder played, the shows were chaotic. Yeah, that was crazy. So correct me if I'm wrong, but they're kind of known to be like the pioneers of this, like the sound that would eventually become like the, like New Orleans, like, you know, heavy sound. You know, am I, am, am I wrong there?

Oh, I'd say a, a big part of it. A big part of it. Yeah, because we had Exord, we had Shell Shock, okay. We had, uh, actually crazy is Shell Shock eventually turned into what is Crowbar because it was a ban and then one of the guys died in it and then Kirk got in it and they called it after shock and then it moved on from there and then became like requiem and then the slugs and then became slowball is that is that them yeah oh wow screaming screaming what is that no that's not that's not them yeah yeah that one that one right there that's shell shock yeah execution time okay well the date is 19 81 to 87 wow

I saw him in 87 on the Morgor tour. Yep. Yeah, look up that record, More Gore that they put out. That was another thing. And they were actually, they were on the verge. They did a lot of shows with a lot of like hardcore-ish, like thrash crossover bands back in the day. And they were about to do some get signed. And then, you know, more than guys.

Yeah. So it's someone falling off into a pool, an empty pool. and people have like signs up giving their rating on one oh wow I still owe that shirt for 88 yeah yeah I think actually too

I think Phil's label was supposed to or they did put out a couple of re-releases of shell shock stuff what's this label called again house core records house core okay yeah so they they put out the

show shock. Yeah. Okay. So like it was there, like a big thing was them and then this band Graveyard Rodeo. And Graveyard Rodeo would do a Halloween show every year at this VFW hall

on Franklin Avenue in the city. And they'd have this thing called a splatterfest and they'd make homemade like splatter horror movies and they'd play it in between like bands. They put up like a curtain with a projector and they'd play these little like homemade like horror movies. What years is? Oh, it was like, yeah, like 80s, like 86, 87, 88.

How did they figure that out? Actually, some of the guys in some of those bands, like, went, like, I know one of the guys in Graveld Rodeo ended up being going into the medical field. So, you know, it's, you know, people always think we're not so intelligent people, right? And they got some dudes that come out to be mad geniuses, you know? everything's coming out of the state. Yeah, so yeah, like Graveyard Rodeo. And look, the old acid bath, remember?

The original acid bath. Yeah, there was an acid bath before. Same? Yeah. Same area? Yes. No. It was New Orleans and then.

It was Kevin Thomas. Kyle Thomas from Exorter's brother was acid, was the first acid bath. But we got permission from them to take the name. Really? Yeah. Wow. I didn't know that. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, that show. I actually went to that one. It's a Halloween show, too. I was at that show, too. You see the third annual Splatter show. That's sick. It's great. VFW Hall on Frankl Avenue.

They ended up tearing it down, and they built, like, some building there. All the shows were at that VFW all, like, everybody. Henry Rollins played there, Circle Jerks, DRI, COC, everybody, like, back in the day, played. there pretty much. So it went from Racine or anyone that was national came that this is like the place that you got to play. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. That's a crazy fucking fly. And it was funny because it was like these two old like vet guys because it was a VFW that worked like the little bar and it'd be like a dollar beers or whatever, you know, and they just sell them to anybody. Yeah. They're not just, they're like they could be 13 years old. Because the shows were all ages and they just sit there and they'd sell, you know. And then that one like Tip a Tiet.

That was a point it still exists actually Tippettinas does it yeah but there was a lot of shows that went on there It was a definitely a bigger venue too okay was it always in that same location yes yeah, yeah, that was that was always the spot yeah yeah I saw the craziest show I ever saw at Tipitinas was this band I'm pretty sure to a bass out of California called crash worship It was a tribal thing it's basically kind of like where Sepul Torah and the Roses got like their tribal elements from so this band crash worship worship did all this stuff and these tribal thing. And their shows were like, it was like a religious experience. And they'd have like, like, Babylon or something.

It was almost like. Like jugs of wine and they had like these like throne things that people would carry. Yeah. Whoa. But they would do the crazy stuff. And they played Tippettinas. And when I saw them at Tippettinas, the show ended. But they weren't done.

It came out to the street. like and they went out on the street in the median and they stayed out there till six or seven in the morning and still playing out in the median. Is there a video of this somewhere, you think? It's possible, but I saw him a bunch of times and there was always an amazing show. I saw him that Chippetinas.

I was sitting, me and my ex-wife were sitting there eating like outside, outside table. Here comes a parade of all these people with drums and costumes and fire. And we're like, I'm going to follow that and see where it's going. End up at Chippatina's seeing that fucking show. It was incredible.

What is going on here? What is... Okay. It's a bunch of people on acid tripping out. It's a weird shit. Pretty much. Okay, that's a bunch of people on acid tripping. 97.

Wow, dude. Okay. Yeah. And they had all these weird, like, instruments, too, because they had tribal drones, but they made, like, these weird, like, instruments as well. Like, stringed instruments out of, like... Do I see trumpets?

Yeah. Yeah, they had all kinds of stuff, and they did. Because it was also kind of really like industrial a little bit in a way. Very much. But then it had like way more of like a tribal element to it. And like I said, they would pass around wine. What was that place? The angel?

Yes. They played there one time too. And they had a thing with like eight people carrying this thing with a girl nude would like cover with grapes and stuff. Like it was like modern day Babylon in a sense. And they passed around like jugs of. wine and people are drinking and the bands going off and there's like fire and all

this crazy shit. When they did the thing at Tipitinas too they pulled that thing. It looked like a Trojan horse out the back of a rider truck and they pulled it out and people were climbing it and everything. It was really fucking cool. I'm glad I got to witness a lot of those shows when I was young. So these are the type of shows

that you're going to when you're young. That's a crazy way to grow up and see music. Yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. So I don't think you realize, like, even I don't know what that's like to grow up in that kind of crazy scene. No, but you know what's unique is, so, okay, I grew up in that and that, like, when you watch things nowadays, you know, and when you meet kids and they're just like, wow, you know, and they want to hear all the stories. But they won't ever duplicate that, but they are at the point where they're creating their story right now. Sure.

You know, we had our moments where we did our stories, and we're still building our. stories yeah but those will never be duplicated whatsoever we were involved in them all of us you know whatever shows we went to things like that and we have stories and the younger generation shows up and they're like they want to hear about these stories but then they are creating theirs like right now it's true so they're different and they're varying but you can kind of see like back then you didn't have a lot of you know what the cell phones and all that so you have some of these old videos luckily that somebody did what a camcorder or something like that and

Cam Quartz radio. Because I'm sure some people, if I would have told some people about Crash Wars, they would be like, this dude's making this shit up. And that's what we've got videos playing right now if you're watching. So this shit is real, true. So how, okay, one, how old are you? And this is late 80s? Yeah.

So what? I'm 50 right now. So you're 50 right now. I'll be here, you're like, what, you're like, what? 17, 18? A little bit older than that. Somewhere up in that. there, you know, I'm ass off right now, so.

Sick. That's a crazy way to come up in like a music scene. Well, so the shows at the VFW hall, it, there was a real kind of like bad area town, too, where the VFW hall was. And when I was growing up, I was lucky enough that my dad, my dad worked for the railroad company, and his work wasn't far from there. And he knew the area. and he would drop me off

and there was a pay phone and he was like when the show's over you call me but I had a lot of friends I mean I lived in the suburbs too at that point and I had a lot of friends

and their parents were like no you're not going down there so I got to go to a lot of shows and my dad was so willing to be like I'm going to drop you off and then when the show's over call me from this pay phone and I'll come pick you up

you know whereas some parents just like no you're not going to that area there's no way we're letting you go out to these shows so I'd say I was pretty fortunate it with that whole aspect as well. Was it been in like a safe space? Or what was the...

Yeah, like once you got in it and everything or outside and you're hanging out, it was definitely like... Yeah, but the whole like area, town around it was really... It's fucked up. Yeah. It's kind of weird how some venues, like, work out that way where like you're in like a bad area,

but if you're at least in the outskirts of that one building, that's small building, it's like you're fine. Yeah, yeah. I've always wondered why that's like a thing. It's like self-policing. or something? I don't know. Yeah, I don't even know it was there

because I don't really remember security. It was like the two old guys that, you know, they were vets and they had the, they were, you know, working at the VFW hall and there was somebody like working the door, but this thing, it was just this thing. And I don't think people really bothered with it because all the people, like, I guess,

looked like freaks in a sense. Sure. You know, especially for that time period and people were like, yeah, in the area might be like, oh, we'll just keep, they can keep to themselves. We won't, you know, involved. Interesting.

Real curious Sammy, did did you ask for the band name? So you asked for it? No. We were we didn't realize until after the fact. Oh. And then we ran into

the guys and were like, yeah. And they were like, it's cool. Don't worry about it. What are the chances of same town, same and the same band name, same time? Who knows? I don't know. It was actually...

Fought for it, right? You fought it? You fought for it? Huh? You guys fight it out? No. Okay. Sorry. I want all the details.

Let's go. Who bit, whose ear off? What happened? Dude, if someone took my band name, I'll be fucking pissed. But, you know, they weren't really, they were more like a joke band, the original one. Oh, okay. They weren't like, they wouldn't play a whole lot. They had like a bunch of funny songs and stuff about some.

wrong shit that i probably shouldn't talk about yeah but uh you know it was just like they were like okay don't it's not a big deal go win it what had the chances at that it's crazy honestly this is this is what i think i've never got a 100% answer behind this but actually the drummer for acid bath is the one that presented the name because we're originally called go gotha and we were changing and we wanted to change the name and whatever you know it is and uh he presented the name acid bath and we're all like that's actually cool so i think at one point in time he might have saw the other acid bath and said well they're not really doing anything so i'm just gonna check this name it was funny because when i first saw actually the flyer with it like because i remember

acid bat like the old one from when I was growing up and then like it kind of like went on a hiatus or it just disappeared for a while and then I saw it again I was like oh damn they must have got back together oh wow they're back they're back together sick oh it's different bound the fuck I'm pretty sure the drummer saw the name somewhere around and was just like I'm just gonna take this real quick that might be something he's taken to his grave yeah it's possible Yeah, he won't admit it. His explanation was, well, we took a lot of acid back then when we were in that band. So that was definitely an influence on the whole thing.

So I think he wanted to kind of have that seep in some kind of way, you know, with the band. So since you touched on it, so you've done acid. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. How does that, okay, so, so you're talking to someone that's never done acid. Really? Never done heroin. That's good.

Okay. Don't do heroin. It's terrible drug. Okay. What does that do for you, like, as far as, like, like, like, you're playing, like, what, like, does that... Like, when you're on acid? So, are you doing it? And then, like, okay, the next day, okay, I'm going to just riff.

Like, what's that? How does that affect your plane and right? well you're definitely going to a different mental mindset that's for sure i mean because i've played on acid before oh my goodness and i've had great experiences and i've had terrible experience like there's a couple of times when i just i like walking on stage and it was like hitting me and it felt like the guitar strings were just like stretching off of the deck like a kind of like a piece of a yarn, like an elastic. Like, you could just pull it off

and I was like, what the hell is happening? And like the stage lights felt like they were going through my body. Back then, stage lights did, those lights were so... They were real life. They were actual hot. Yeah, damn, this is going to my fucking body

right now. Bruce. Yeah, what weird shit happens? I don't recommend playing on acid in front of people. Okay, we're definitely not going to advocate it. I would like to...

I'll try it. Advocate it 100%. It's just not on stage. Yeah. I would suggest sit here, like if you're in a good mood and you feel like writing some stuff, take some asses and see what happens. Okay. Don't try to do that in front

of people when you're trying to do something responsible. Yeah, because like, I'm I'm sure you're in a different, you're in a crazy like other state of being and you have other humans look at you that that sounds fucking weird like i i can't even smoke weed and play because i could just like i probably freak out when like all these humans are like they're like here and they're in the same room and they paid money and they're like looking at us it's weird you know but like when i would take acid while i was playing

it was almost like i could only see half of the people like the from the from like the chest down. Like I couldn't really focused on anybody's faces. It was always just like a big black cloud over everybody's head. It was weird. Wow. So, I mean, are you just trying to like compose yourself? It's okay, I'm, I'm going to play this riff, dude. Even though this is like a fucking shoestring. Yeah, shit's falling off the neck. I don't know what's happening right now. But yeah, I'm going to try and not freak myself out, you know. What did you think happen after? I killed it. I don't even think I realized I played after.

I just kind of kept going. Wow, that's an interesting way to... Oh, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, I just got off... I think I just got off the stage, packed up all my stuff, and just kept going with the trip. You just kept going? Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah, you didn't even process it. Yeah. You're wrapping a cable, and it just takes you like an hour. That definitely happens to a snake. Turns it to... Yeah. This is like a cable of life, dude.

Probably some weird shit like that happened. What are your, uh, what are your, is this, Jay? Is there a day on this? What, yeah, I think that's maybe 95. 96? 96, yeah. It was close. I mean, what, because, I mean, just your state alone, it's just like a, like the bands and the music coming up,

but you have like, you know, you guys, you have swollen a grain. like what and just has like this the sound to it it's like uh i was i had to stop when i was driving up here it's like anyone that any band it came from there just hit chords differently just there's a and there's something to the voice that sound nothing like any other band but they're even in their voice there's just something to it it's just different you know it's like what what was that acid taking drugs. I'm trying not to laugh

I'm not being professional. I don't know. I think it's just an attitude of the people down there. It's different than anywhere else. If you go to Louisiana, just in general, there's the people's demeanor there. It's way different

than anywhere else on the planet. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of its own thing. And I think that kind of seeped in, like just, you know, the personality of yourself kind of seeping into the music, you know what I'm saying? and just doing its thing and not really worrying. You know, when we down there, we don't really worry about what's going on with the rest of the world.

You know, we just kind of do our thing, you know, and that's it. Yeah, what was your upbringing like? I mean, what's it like growing up there? Well, I grew up like in the swamps. Straight up. Yeah, like Caucasian country, big time. So my growing up was pretty boring, you know. It's just a lot of very religious area.

You know what I'm saying? Really? The normal thing there is everybody goes to church on Sunday. And it's a boring little town, you know what I'm saying? So growing up, I was pretty bored, you know? That's bored. Yeah. You know?

So you're surrounded by like the church kind of going maybe circle, but yet. Yeah. So he like, what do I do? I don't, it's like, what, you just sit at home, you know? Sit at home and watch TV and, you know, luckily I had some friends that got into some weird stuff that turned me onto this, like just, you know, more heavier music. You know, I had an uncle that he was like known for the area where we lived, called Galliano, Louisiana. And he was known for being like a freak, basically. Like he was the only guy out there

He was known for smoking weed And stuff like that You know It wasn't really popular down there But he was the one that turned me on To a lot of the stuff that got into Like the first time I ever heard Black Sabbath Was with him

And he had a guitar And that kind of led to where I am now You know So you heard Black Sabbath You heard, you know, he was priest KKK down in and like all this is like That's where it all started This is it

Because it all kind of snowballed for my uncle Having a guitar list of Black Sabbath while he smoked weed and then I'm like well there's got to be something else out there so I just met up with some friends that just was like well check out ACDC that's cool too or check out you know Judas priest and that just kind of snowballed into me searching out heavier music you know and how how old were you then when I actually started learning how to play guitar yeah it's maybe around 13 or 14 somewhere around there but I started messing around with a guitar when I was maybe like 10,

but I wasn't actually learning how to play properly, you know what I'm saying? Still can't, huh? Yeah, still looking for somebody. I'm still looking for somebody to teach me. Okay, so is this it? Lake Martin? What's the population here? No, Galeana.

That's Lafayette. Yeah, that's, you got to go. Yeah, you have to go more east and south. So then when does the acid come in play? Huh? So when did the acid come in? The acid? Oh, that was after, you know, you started meeting your friends and stuff.

There you go. But the acid, you know, I didn't take acid until later on in my life. Good. I wasn't really like... Oh, you're in there, dude. Yeah, that's steep. Yeah, that's it. You are in Louisiana.

That's it right there. Oh, wow. The middle of fucking nowhere. I wonder what the population is. Probably, I would say maybe, it's not that populated. Yeah, that's big, dude. 7,000 of 2014 as of 2020. At the 2020, dude, they'll back dance even less.

Yeah. So, I mean, everyone knows each other. Rock on a church and you find this, like, this group of misfit friends. They have a black Sabbath tape. It was actually a vinyl, yes. A vinyl. Okay, cool. Because I remember my uncle had it sitting out in his room

as the first album with a witch on it in front of the house, that real creepy-looking picture. I remember being like, I don't know if I want to listen to this. This looks weird. And that's how it all started. And this went. This went. So I started playing music.

Yeah. It's of such a, it's insane to see how far Godhor has come. played together for so many years and still touring full time and doing it. You know, you guys, you got to be very proud, you know. Yeah, yeah, it's the only thing I know. Yeah, I don't know how to do anything else. This is the only thing I know how to do. Mm-hmm.

So this is do it. Just do it, yeah. See, I mean, so you seem like, like the crazy swings of a way you grew up and seen like this scene blow up of like, you know, like the, I hate gods and the downs. And, and you go on tour full time. You probably seen the ups and downs of like of the whole genre as like a whole as opposed to like just like this sound just this genre. You've probably seen distant. And it's still.

And it's so weird that we do that. It's like if it's low, we keep doing it. If it's high, keep doing it. Like ebbs and flows, you know. Yeah. No, it's not going away. So it's like, you know how I remember people you used to say like rocks dead and all that stuff? I'm not of ever died, it just goes, it pretty much goes back to the underground,

which structures itself and comes out in like a different, more extreme version. And that whole step keeps getting further and further along. You know, like, like, even if you look at, like, the point of, like, Pantera and then, like, slip knot, like the extremity point of, like, metal and how, like, being popular and how far it's, it's gone. Yeah. And, you know, and it's the peaks and valleys. And it's, but it doesn't, it doesn't die, I don't think. It just goes somewhere else.

And then the people that sit more on like a mainstream kind of level just lose wind of it because they don't keep track of it. But it's always been there and it's always doing stuff. It's just not always at the top. Yeah. It's weird when you hear something when you're young and it just kind of gets ingrained into your brain. Like let's say it like a perfect example. It's like the Rock is Dead thing. I remember hearing it as like a teen.

But for some reason it kind of, it goes deep in the back of your brain and you just think like this whole thing's going to go away at some point. It's so weird. Have it some things to stay with you. Well, what's funny is they used to do that and they used to say like where they are now and stuff like that, you know,

and arts and just like, you see people that are still doing things, you know, and people like, wow, I can't believe they're still doing. It's just like, they had a lucrative career.

People enjoy what they're doing. You know, they're not going to go away. Yeah. So, yeah, if you get like the look, say, like,

or you're still, you're still doing that? It's still going on tour? I'm like, it's like, I don't say, oh, you still working at Home Depot?

You know, it's like, I don't do that. It's like, yeah, if you enjoy something, then you stick with it. Yeah, if you like doing the Home Depot thing, then you stick with it. And if you do it good and awesome, you know. Matter what. No matter what. Yeah, you just stick with something you really like and you go with it. I'm still putting out badass tunes, great records.

Everything is consistent, you know. It seems like you guys has never just lost it. It makes sense. Lost it both as musically and more important. only morale because morale could easily go away it is but you know what else helps do like when Zach got into the band you know he was younger and sometimes that that younger thing it like revives like a blood it's like a resurgence and you're like oh yeah you know or you come across somebody that's another younger band that's from your scene love that it kind of like rekindles things it does because

you're like holy shit these kids are doing this and I remember just and how this felt and it kind kind of rekindles everything again yeah it's kind of crazy how that works on and then just for some reason this makes you kind of fired out to write more more shit I think I think it's important to hang out with younger bands yeah yeah or young younger people or handsome like you know it's accurate so it's very established like the like the look too you know yeah yeah and other that the younger person is also interested in like your stories and what you will listen in to you know and so yeah it's kind of like a mutual thing and it kind of feeds off of

each other so yeah Zach you ever ask him any questions yeah all the time man it's probably uh all the questions are probably answered by this point but yeah yeah but I remember first shown in the band and just kind of you know it must have been

annoying you know having a 17 year old 17 yeah yeah and uh wow just totally green and just kind of learning the learning the game and uh and also just being a huge fan of you know their past bands and then the band that was

like actually joining and yeah it was kind of a trip looking back you know and it's it's funny to think about now okay so you see him and he's 17 if it's like oh no he's not ready no he's too

immature no he'll parol no he's too green that's like a leap of faith I don't think the thing is I don't think we were look at like when you when you have people come in to try out you're not necessarily looking at their age or their degree you're looking at their ability as a musician

yeah exactly that was our main focus you're like wow this person does a really great job you know you I mean he probably came in there at eight years old and been like I mean like all right I guess your parents have to come out with us now you know so it's I think it's

I mean I'm sure you know you played in bands and you it was like the abilities of people of course you know that were like the main thing like totally It was true. Yeah, we had a dad that lied about his son's age. And he was like, he was young, young, but he tried out. It was like, he lied about his age, his dad, but his playing ability was just like, wow. And he, yeah, it was a great, phenomenal. It was a drummer, too, yeah. Drummers tend to be younger. How old was it? See, we were 16, 17. He was like 13, maybe even younger. Wow.

And they said, yeah. His dad said, yeah, he's like 17. We're like, okay, cool. But it's funny how like your ability would definitely speak louder than anything. Yeah, totally. You know? And sometimes we'll deal with a personality we don't want to do with

if he's that sick. Which tends to be the drummer. So having a cool, you know, a cool drummer come in. It's really, it really lights a fire under your ass. It feels good, you know. So what? Did you go straight into a full-time touring? What would, what happened?

So when they told me, yeah, you got the gig, basically. I'm like, well, I have to graduate high school first. I got that out of the way. And then a week after I graduated, I drove my truck. my mom helped me drive all my gear down in New Orleans and dropped me off at Ben's house and I was like, all right, here I am. And then we started rehearsing. And then the first tour we did was with Black Dolly Murder for their first record, us,

cattle decapitation, watched them die. Went and did that. And that was straight into D-Side, goat horror, cattle again. Yeah, yeah. And then into Cannibal Corpse, Nepal Dess, it was just like, you're thrown to the wolves, you know, and I was loving it. I'm like, you know, it's just straight from high school being able to... Dang, dude, that's crazy. Thrown into one of your favorite bands.

It was a trip, man. It was cool. You went into some crazy tours. Yeah. Yeah. You guys must have really believed in them. You know, that's kind of like a... It's kind of a big deal.

Like, okay, well, it's just throwing into two fucking... Because you don't know how people react. Because once you did the house, things change. Yeah. It was, yeah, I mean, looking back, I mean, it's still surprised me just like the, the amount of learning that was crammed into that short period of time and adjustment. You know what I mean? You know, just whether, even take away the touring aspect, just you're in a foreign town for the first time,

you know, kind of living on your own with people much older than you that you're, respect but you don't really know yet and then you're learning how to you know tour and be professional in that aspect too so yeah it's crazy the amount of um learning and then like then you know you didn't have as much like now you know with like youtube and all these different things you have you can see people you know they have all these channels and things and there you can see how people are as musician-wise this is just like then it's just like you're bringing people in and we're like okay, we you tell a bunch of people

learn these songs and then they come in and you jam and it's like if they play it they play it if not you know and then you see how they play it or whatever you know we had a few people to like come try out. Yeah that was like you're like it was

interesting to put it delightly. So on their website they had like a list of six songs to learn for the audition but I had seen them a lot in Phoenix my local band had opened up for Goathor and I had a set list from one of their past shows. So I learned the six songs.

So we went through those and they're like, well, you want to play anything else? I'm like, let's do this. Let's do this. So I learned the whole set list basically. So you guys pretty much know. Yeah. Yeah. He learned the allotted songs and more.

So we're just like, let's just be he's great. Let's just roll with him. Yeah. How are the, uh, how were the interesting ones? Terrible. Absolutely terrible. Sick. There was some guys that came in from Oklahoma City,

and I don't even think this dude knew how to play drums, period. Like, it was just, you remember that dude? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he physically could not play drums. Like, I guess he was like, I'm going to come try off a goadhor. You ever played drums before? No. What?

Seriously. Am I wrong? You remember that, dude, don't you? How can you forget? Like, now it's so much more. You know, like you could say, oh, well, send a video of you playing something, you know? It's like none of that. It was none of that.

It was just like. People were coming in and you were just like, all right, we'll just have to jam with people and see how things go. So it was a thing, like a feeling base. Dude plays the stuff and you're like, this feels great. Of course. You know, it feels like we're not like even missing a beat with anything. Or like, this dude does not touch the drum in his life.

That's a sick trial. Man, I just figured I'd just show up and try. Yeah, I just wanted to come hang out with you guys, you know? Fuck, dude, that's insane. You know what? In a weird way, that does take a lot of balls. You know what I'm just going to go out of addition for this band? I haven't played drums in my life.

I'm just going to walk in at least with the drum set. It's just, you know. Dude, it was, yeah, it was, that was an interesting time. just put it that way. What were you guys thinking? I was like, I'm going to kill this dude. I was pissed, man.

It was like, why is he wasted my time like this, you know? Wow. That's awesome. There is. Well, how did, how did you jam with Zach?

Do you mean, do you fly out or drive over? What was the spring break of my senior year. So I flew, like, to visit my grandparents in Arkansas and my grandfather drove me down in New Orleans. Did the audition.

I was like, all right, cool. See what happens. And kind of went back home, finished out, you know, schooling. And you guys had a peal box? Send me a message. You got the gig. When can you move down here? I was like, well, I have to graduate school and did all that.

Yeah. Holy moly. It was cool to, you know, Because I guess now, like Ben said, you know, the process of auditioning these, you know, nowadays, dude just send a video or whatever. But it was cool to be able to be in a room and jam together, you know, and kind of at least meet each other beforehand. And, you know, instead of just going in cold, like, oh, your video's great. And then you find out this dude's a total fucking whack job or something. Which is a high possibility.

You never know. It's really high. So the fact that you're like a sane person Yeah, I am. Yeah, relatively. You know, if you're a decent hang, you're like ahead of the rest, you know. Yeah.

It's tough. So this is what you actually saw, though. This is what you saw. Yeah. Yeah, it was on your old website. That's sick. Yeah. Looking for an evening.

Inj, 2005. Holy crap. All right. I have a, I have to ask. because I have questions sometimes that people are afraid to ask this is one when it's me how do you say

New Orleans is it New Orleans or New Orleans It depends where you're from Really? Yeah But I don't suggest you say Norlands In New Orleans In New Orleans

Don't say that You're gonna get robbed Okay Because that's like a surefire You are not from here. Yes, you're not from here. You're a tourist, and I'm going to rob you. Okay, so it's okay to say it outside, but if you're in Louisiana...

In Louisiana, don't say Nallands. Yeah, okay. It's not say it New Orleans or New Orleans. Okay. Don't make the whole one word, how could I put it? You got to really pronounce it. Yeah, because that's a sure sign of a tourist, and you don't want to make that very known when you're in New Orleans. Yeah.

So they're both welcomed Yes Okay I was like which one is it? I mean I've asked people I'm like I get like two answers I'm like okay I'm not I'm stuck at square one So it's both It depends what what area

Yeah You know what are they in Mardi Gras Is that I fucking hate Mardi Gras I know I'm always wanted to ask them that's from there Dude it's such a pain in the ass dude It's so I mean I could see it being a good time for people that's never been there They want to go there and just get completely shit-housed.

That's what you're supposed to do. Yes. But for the people that... When you're younger. When you're younger, yes. The older you get, and, like, when you live there, it's fucking horrible. Yeah, you try to figure out, like, how to get out of today before it happens when you get older. You're like, I need out of here before this goes down.

Yeah, they block off, like, it's just pain the ass. And, like, every time around Mardi Gras, we have a tour coming up, so we have to rehearse around Mardi Gras and get the fucking practice. I can get the fucking practice as a pain in the fucking ass. Because it's like two to three weeks leading up to Mardi Gras day. There's like parades and all these things. And they do a lot of like street closures and everything. And it's going on not just in the city, but like in the suburbs and other areas. It's like a whole thing.

Yeah, yeah. Oh my goodness. And like where I was living for a period of time was like literally a block off of the parade route. Oh, no. So, like, my house was just swamped with people all, like, during that whole period of time. And just people pissing and shitting and just fucking vomiting everywhere. And, like, all... On acid, you know.

On acid. You know? Screaming at all hours of the night, you know, just, it sucks. Hmm. I'm not a big fan. I'm glad I got the hell out of there. That sucks. So, so once last of me, I actually, guys, actually went there.

But if you've never been, you know? If you've never been, I see it being a good time. Yeah. But I'm just over it. I'm just fucking over. Because after a while, like, when you're a kid, you don't have to worry about it. But you get older and you're like, okay, I got to get down there. If I drive down there, I got to find somewhere to park, you know.

And I have to, then I'm going to get totally blown out fucking drinking. And then how am I going to get back to where I need to get, you know. Without getting robbed. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because I don't want to say New Orleans wrong, you know. Or get arrested for being drunk in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Piss in the wrong place.

Pissing in the wrong place. place is a big one. It's so tough because when you're hammering and you're walking around like, okay, let's go in the corner and piss. But man, it's a,

it's a big deal. It's a real struggle. That many people, there's not a lot of bad, you know, and yeah, yeah, there's,

pissing is a, it's a sort of challenge. You just piss on somebody. Fuck it. What's the, I've always was curious on the connection between

New Orleans and Texas. What is that connection? What do you mean? Like, you mean Louisiana and Texas? Yeah, it's always, no, it's like a... Well, we share a border. Yeah, what, like, what is it?

A state line? It just feels like like the whole Pantera sounds kind of really closely related. Obviously it feels from from there. Yeah, yeah. But there's just more to it, though.

It's like a, just that the sound kind of feels like it's coming from Louisiana but it's from Texas it's in Texas I'm like what I always wonder like one to ask someone that was from there like what is there a connection or is that just a coincidence

I mean it might be couldn't well when I was growing up there was a lot of tours too that didn't come to New Orleans because New Orleans isn't like a main city as far as a touring yeah it's not so Houston was like the big spot for shows it's like a five hour drive from New Orleans and so I would

pack up with some friends and we'd drive out to Houston to go to shows. You know, we went and saw like Morbid Angel during like Altars of Madness. We went and saw intuned. We saw a bunch of shows in Houston, but they were not coming to New Orleans. You know, so we're like, we'll drive to Houston and go see them. And so that was a big thing too, is driving to Houston to go see shows. Sometimes Dallas, depending. Dallas is like eight hours, but if they wouldn't be in Houston, it'd be in Dallas,

and we'd head to Dallas and go to shows. I think, too, like if you look at it as far as a band goes, like say when you started with suicide silence, okay? And you were doing shows and you'd do like the weekend thing, right? Yeah. And you'd pick something within an eight-hour radius. So you could go drive, hit another one, then be able to get back for the week or whatever.

So that was like the radius was there. You know, you had Houston five hours. You had San Antonio eight hours. You had Austin like eight hours. You had Dallas eight hours. You know, so you could create this little like area of bands. So bands probably, you know, associated with swapping shows with all those areas. Oh, wow.

That's a great way to build, like, the fucking community. And so, like here, like here, you would be like, okay, we have Los Angeles, but when we have like Santa Ana, we have like Orange County or we have San Diego, maybe we go up to Ventura, possibly do San Francisco and on the way back down hit somewhere, you know. So it's the same idea except you all had like in the state. It was easier. Maybe even go out to Phoenix. as Phoenix would be like six hours, seven hours.

Yeah, it's true. So if you have that whole thing, you're like, you create things, and then you're trading shows with bands, and so you're going to Houston, and then you come back to New Orleans and play, but the band from Houston comes to play as New Orleans. That's what, like, you know, Exorder did that a bunch with bands, like, from Florida and Texas,

you know, like with Dead Horse from Texas. Exhaudor did that with Atheist from Florida, and then they bring Atheist in to play with them, you know, in the early days. They bring Dead Horse in to play. You know, and they trade shows. So I think there was a lot of things because of that whole, like, radius of so many places within that little area within eight to ten hours that you could do, like weekend Johns and stuff like that and trade shows. Okay.

Yeah, exority used to bring in a bunch of bands from Texas. Yeah, yeah, they'd bring it like gamaside, Dead Horse. They had tons of things from Texas that they bring in play. I didn't bring a boardist come down one time with them, I believe. I think so. Yeah. So I think that's a connection that you'd think of, like, between. New Orleans and Texas

It's just Like back then They would just trade shows Of bands from out of town You know Trading shows, okay Yeah Because I just hear a feel of like

Similarities You know I was like what is it So it kind of explains that You're trading shows Both sounds are playing Each other's areas Yeah

And Houston had a It had like So Houston's went through phases As well But Houston when I was growing up Had a huge metal scene Really? Yeah it was huge

That's why a lot of those tours would go through there, you know? So, I mean, Houston's got a huge scene now, you know, it's kind of came back big time. But, you know, Houston was a big thing as far as that. And so bands would trade shows, where would go trade shows? So I think that that relationship you talk about is because slightly of that of, like, trading shows with bands. And I'm sure if you went and looked at, like, bands like Pacific Northwest,

like Seattle, Portland, bands going back and forward, trading shows. And they kind of, because you start to get, like, like a subconscious influence of another band where you're not conscious yeah yeah where you're not really directly influenced but because of being around it you're sort of influenced totally can you can't help it we're we're we're human we're just these sponges man yeah yeah and that's another thing like like the whole new wall and like louisiana thing because it's so rooted in like a lot of like blues and jazz and things like that i think just being around it you have some of that like

influence or that subconscious influence from it being around it so much it's kind of funny how new Orleans is kind of known for like the jazz and how like the you guys in the metal scenes took it in a in a whole other direction but all all the bands the exorters of the crow bars downs you name it you know swimming greens acid bass it's like it's kind of known for like this really rich jazz area and this whole other thing happened yeah yeah How did that happen? Being rebellious kids, I guess. You know?

I mean, I've never really listened to, like, jazz or anything from Louisiana unless I absolutely had to, you know? I have to listen to this. Yeah. I have to. Exactly. They're going to listen to this again.

But, yeah. It's just a bunch of metalheads, I guess. It just got into underground music and it kind of exploded, you know? Finding each other. and it really seemed like from me being an outsider it seemed like it really did explode from like the 80s on and it's still going

just like exploded you know all kinds of bands came out and then would go out to form like you know all kinds of bands and bigger bands like a I was this was I went down like a you know normal men's like trip you know I was listening to everybody

down swimming green acid bath go to horror and then I topped it off just with my own personal I started listening to a Johnny Pool Because Were you ever in a band with CJ, Ben? No, he played in Flese parade for a little while

Yes. Yeah, they were like a grind band from They had like more death metal earlier And then they formed more into grindcore Yeah, okay drummer Todd was like He's like amazing Like as far as blast beats and stuff

But yeah, he was in Flesperade Yeah Yeah, people don't know, yeah Do you, CJ play bass in Fleshprey which is a, I mean, we call it a grind band right? Yeah. I mean, when we're talking grind,

hey, give it a listen. It's grind. It's serious shit. And he went on to play guitar in a drowning pool. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty weird. Yeah.

Did you guys see that happen? Is that CJ? Yeah. I've seen him play. I'm like, you know, play. Because Droughting Pool used to play at Zeppelons all the time. Yeah. And then the next thing you know, they're gigantic.

Really? There was a place we used to play in Metery, it was a place called Zeppelins, and, like, everybody played there. But it wasn't a big place. It held maybe, like, 400 people maximum. Yeah, but the Mourbred Angel played there.

Demu Bougier played there. It was just... It was, like, all... Where all the shows, pretty much. Yeah, like, all the... All, like, the... Crowbar I got. It was, like, acid bat,

solid green, any... All the time used to play there. And Drowning Pool played there a bunch of times, and, like, nobody was into it. Then all of a sudden, they're like huge. So I don't know what happened right there, but it's like one of those weird situations where they were in the right place at the right time, I guess.

Interesting. Because they were friends, CJ was friends with the owner, guy. Imagine that. A guy named Guy that owned the club. Perfect. So he was really good friends with CJ, and he was telling me one time, he was like that Drowning Pool was playing in Florida

and he was going to go hang out with him for a couple of days. Okay. And he gets there and they have a bus. And he's like, last time I saw them, they had a very small van. And he gets on the bus and there was like gold records and shit on the bus. And he's like, what the fuck happened here? And apparently they just like blew up. Like, Drone Pool just got enormous, like in a short period of time.

Oh, it's, so it was just really, it was kind of instant. Yeah. But then they would play the club that we're talking about. and there was like no, there would be like 20 people there. 20 people? Yeah. Yeah. Right place to right time.

My goodness, dude. So there were, what was Dave from? The singer. I think the rest of them were from Texas. Texas. There you go to Texas, Louisiana relationship, man. What is that? It's right there around the corner, man.

Let's go straight to Dallas, Fort Worth, and it's only five hours away, you know? Yeah. I was always curious about that. I mean, how did that, you know, how? Because, yeah, it's just Louisiana is more like a, this, this heavy, heavy scene. And then like, where do fucking Johnny Pool come from? You know, so. Or being in Flesh Parade and then it's like, okay, I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to try this band.

It's so random. Yeah, yeah. I was always curious. I mean, look at Phil, you know, he was in Rays of White in New Orleans. Mm-hmm. And then he hooked up with Pans. Pantara in Dallas, Fort Worth, you know. Did he just move out there and did join

Pantera? What was the... Yeah, I'm not, I don't know the full, like, proper story, but he ended up going there and then he was living there for a while doing the Pantara thing, you know, and then that eventually just took off. Interesting. I wonder if that probably wouldn't happen if it wasn't like this constant, like, commodity between Dallas, Fort Worth,

San Antonio, and then when you guys are from, where it says constant bands coming back and forth, maybe it seemed like it became normal. Yeah, well, like I said, you know, what do you do when your band? You're just trying to, like, trade shows and try to get further and further out as much as you can, so trade shows

with other bands. Trying to trade shows and do as much acid as you possibly can. Yeah. Right? I mean... Sometimes. Sometimes, yeah. Oh my goodness, dude. Razor White.

Holy moly. What happened to these haircuts? Are they still around? I'm sure you can buy wigs at like that Halloween store and stuff like that. Dude, I just want to shit in my head so fucking fast wear a wig. I'm over this shit, dude. God, dude. Dude, I'm envious.

Zach. Got to say, man. It's pretty refreshing. Oh, fuck you, dude. Only thing that sucks now is being on stage and the sweat just goes right into my eyes. Before I had a mop to kind of soak it up. Oh, so maybe that's where our sweat goes there on a mop. Yeah.

But now it's essential to have a towel to wipe down the eyes between songs and you're good. I've always told myself if I ever cut my hair, my friend should be very concerned. What I'm doing? It's at all. Well, Garza gave up. It's over. You guys ever think about quitting? I think about quitting all the time.

Why? Why? Yeah. Are you thinking about quitting or you just get annoyed with an aspect? And then it's like the first thing that goes. Yeah, I just, I don't want to do this anymore. Yeah, it's like, well, why, what am I doing this? Oh, you know, this business comes into play.

There's money sometimes. It's like, or this, like, like a miscommunication or argument or a bad contract. You're like, fuck, fuck this shit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I found that, like, sometimes I just, like, I'll step back away from, like, talking to management and the label. I just step back, like, for a week, and they're like, we need you to answer something. And I'm less like, yeah, no, not right now.

I was like, I'm trying to. I just need to get away from this because this aspect is actually making me not like the scenario. And I don't need that. So I'll need to step away from that and focus more of, like, the band. you know so I'll just step back from stuff sometimes and just be like yeah I just got to step away you know you need that clarity so you have to consciously like stop what we're doing a step back yeah yeah and just be like you know I just cut it sometimes it just cut it off and people just like you haven't responded I'm like yeah just give me like five days or something like that it's like sammy's over here I'm asking we need your help I mean you can't take all the fun

out of it, man. Yeah, you still gotta have an enjoyable aspect. That's why we're doing this because it's fucking fun and it's awesome. And once you get involved in that whole business end of the whole thing, you know, if you're not careful, it'll take the fun out of it. You know what I mean? So you've got to always remember that, like he said, sometimes you just got to be like, you can all fuck off for a little while because I'm, you're taking the fun out of my situation. Yeah. I mean, I understand it's a machine and it's got a lot of aspects that are important, but.

the machine ain't gonna go no way if you just grind it into the fucking ground you know so dudes have to step away and do things sure you're like you probably get home from tour sometime and you're like you know what I just need to go somewhere and get away and people like well you just came off the road

but it's like yeah but it's different when you just go somewhere by yourself it's so you can't even compare them dude yeah it's weird just just going somewhere with you or you and your something you know there it's so different yeah it's like people think that when you're on tour it's like a vacation oh

Oh, you went to Los Angeles and you get to go see this. It's like, no, I saw the inside of a fucking club all fucking day. From the inside of a band to the inside of a club. Oh, my goodness. Oh, you were in New York last week, I saw it. You didn't go to the Statue of Liberty? It's like, no, I was stuck in the St. Vitus Bar.

Oh, my fucking God. Hey, AJR, do one more thing. Pull up the video that I sent you finally. The one that I was trying to keep it a, Secret. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. This way he drops.

This way takes asses for the first time. Jay, are you... Uh, it's the link that I sent you. All right. So, Ben. Yep. Oh. This is a request from my band.

All right. They... What do you think and feel when you see this? I think that's like... It's the early stages of me, you know, getting involved in metal. You know? I was in... a lot of death metal during that time.

You know, I had a bunch of dudes that I was with that had played with that, like, really loved death metal. And that's what we did. That's sick. You know? And, yeah, I mean, it's, I don't, I think it's great. You know, there's some labels that actually recently, like, mastered it and put it out, like some label in, like, Europe and then some.

Oh, wow. There's, I think a label that's up in the Pacific Northwest called, like, Head Split or something like that, and they put out, like, a tape version. of it and stuff like that and I'm like yeah you know people like what do you know I was like I don't think I never look back at any of the stuff I've done and go oh my God I can't believe I did that

you know it's all I think it's all like a building block to where I am now you know and it's a different it's an aspect that shows at that point in time that's what I was doing that's where I was into you know I mean dude that I think I was like 18 somewhere like that and I was like into like death metal like extremely.

Campbell Corps, obituary, all kinds of like obscure like death metal. I had the blinders on, like I wouldn't let anything else in. You know? And then like when I left paralysis and I got in Solent, that's when I opened up even more because Solent was so much more like vast with like

a lot of different things going on. Like grind core, like I always thought it was like Napalm death meets Leonard Skinnerd. You know what I'm saying? Like it was like this like aspect like grindcore but then like Southern Rock but then mixed with like some other things, you know. And so I was around even before, like, I got into it, you know.

So there was a lot of different elements. So it was this thing. I just liked, I liked heavy music. And I liked, like, the way it came across. So when I was in Paralice, I did have the blinders on, but then when I got more and stolen, they kind of opened up a lot more. And then also the guys in so on were older than me. And so a lot of them were into, like, yeah.

And so they were into, like, a lot of shit, like, Pink Floyd and a lot of, like, weird aspects. They all smoked a really lot of little. weed and stuff like that. Makes sense. So there was a whole different level of like influence and seeing things in a different light. But still I was still like into heavy stuff.

It just opened up a little bit more. I mean I grew up listening to like you know a bunch of different stuff like from you know as far as metal goes like with like Judas Priest, Exodus you know, venom, bathroom, you know variations but then when I was in paralysis I was like really blinders on

with like death metal. Blinders. Boom. This is it and this is. But I, I, I think the record was great, you know, for, you know, our ages and what we were doing at the time. We did a lot of shows. We drove, like, we would do that thing in trade shows with bands. We went, the furthest we went was all the way up to Appleton, Wisconsin. It's up near Green Bay.

Wow. And, I mean, there was a big scene there because that record came out originally on Grindcore Records. And there was bands like accidental suicide, broken hope from Chicago at the time, you know, all those bands. So there was these things. and then trade shows and that's like the furthest we like drove up to

was I had like a Dodge Dakota truck with like a cover on the back and we had a U-Haul trailer that's how we were rolling and everybody would pile up in the back of the truck

because they had like a little cover thing oh yeah yeah the old truck cover yeah dang dude to think

like doing something like that to where your band is now yeah it's crazy man no and I come across people like all over the place. Like we played,

uh, we played, uh, we played Mexico City with Sodom once. Nice. With goat whore. Mm-hmm. And this dude rolled up.

I was standing watching Sodom and he comes up and he goes, well, you sign this? And he's got a paralysis state like in Mexico City. I was like, that's awesome. That's really fucking cool. Damn.

Well, because enough, enough, uh, enough time has passed to where people will seek out this stuff, dude. Yeah, yeah.

People want to hear. They want to actually hold it, you know? There's like a, I mean resurgence I mean you're talking like you know 2016 17 is a resurgence of like acid bath you know it's just

it must be so weird to put out something at the time does anyone even care and then I mean yeah to have years later like people come back and like what the fuck it's very strange it's very strange how that happened yeah it's like weird because like when we're together

not a lot of people cared about that band you know what I'm saying and now it's like you have all these I guess it's like a younger generation that's totally embracing it. So it's very strange to see that kind of happen like that, you know. Strange, huh? Yeah, weird. Well, I mean, think, yeah, that was a while ago.

It's time, sometimes time just needs to pass. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And you have a, I mean, nowadays, too, because of like a younger generation and the, like, accessibility to a lot of things now. I think that has a lot to do with it as well. then I was like tape trading

like people overseas and stuff and swapping tapes back and forth and people would like take demos and put them on like one tape sent them to you and then you would put some demos together some bands you knew and then send it back so you know I mean we didn't have you know like band camp and all those kind of things now but that was like the band camp then and people would trade tapes back and forth and then

when somebody would send you a tape they'd send you all these like little flyers to like other new little bands that were coming out and stuff and you'd send like five dollars in the mail to get this demo or whatever you know dude i said so much money through the mail that like i'm surprised i didn't lose like all of it because that's just how it was you just send cash in the mail oh wow and get demos and shirts and stuff like that you put money in the emliven stickers anything extra you guys like i was a hope for the best huge like paradise lost fan for like lost paradise and gothic and uh i was just like i couldn't find any memory

So I just sent them like $30. Just like I saw the address and I sent $30. I was like to get a shirt. And then I forgot about it. And one day I got this package, fucking stamped from England and everything like that. I opened it up and it was a long sleeve Paradise Law shirt. I was just like, oh, shit, it weren't. You were just randomly sending cash.

I mean, you wouldn't, you weren't supposed to send cash in the mail. But I would send cash. And also, like, nuclear blasts used to have the hugest, like, mail water thing. out of Germany to order stuff. And me and a friend of mine, he played guitar in paralysis. We would get together and we'd pick items. And then you'd have to pick items,

but then you'd have to have alternate items because some things would run out or whatever. Got it. And so you'd do it, and we'd get like an international muddy water, send it off. Three months later, you get this package in. You don't know what it would be in it.

You know, you sit around together, open it up, listen to all the records, you know, oh, no, we've got this. It sounds like shit. Oh, this is amazing. This is, you know. So you've been taking rhythm. You didn't even do that in the stores.

You know, like when you go to the stores, you'd see the tapes or the records, and you'd kind of look at the picture of the band or the cover. What label was on. Yeah, what label, and you'd be like... It's on combat. I'll tell you. I'll save my lunch money from school for this week, and this is what I'm going to try to buy, you know. And then maybe it was good, maybe it wasn't.

I mean, that's like we were talking about Celtic Frost, like, when I first bought morbid tales. I remember pulling that out and, like, looking at the cover going, oh, I've got to have this. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it sounds like. I have to have this because the way it looked. Yeah, it was the same thing with me with two Megatherion. Yeah. Where it's an H.R. Gogh cover of him using

Jesus of the crucifix as a slingshot. Yeah. So I saw that cover on a cassette and I was like, oh yes, this has to be awesome. And I had no idea what it was going to sound like. And I just bought it on based on the cover and I put it in

and I was like, this sounds like the cover. Yeah. I was extremely stoked and that's when the moment on that became my favorite man of all time yeah that's great like you okay y'all y'all both like younger as far as like us old three 37 but what didn't you do things like that where you just bought stuff on the whim like you were just like in a store you didn't know anything about there wasn't no information couldn't go listen to it on like internet or anything like that so you were just like I'm taking a risk and

sometimes the risk worked out really great sometimes you did yeah yeah like oh no I'm stuck with this yeah that happened many times yep they like why did I buy this like the cover is a lot cooler than what it sounds like yeah yeah it's like well I guess I'm gonna eat food for a week so I could buy by this CD that's what it's what happens and you'll have some friends in school that like you kind of share some like snacks yeah you and all you and your friend would work together like you would be like I'm gonna buy this and you buy this yeah we'll like share it and it's like hey man I've got this cerebral fix because I trained me for some spaghetti

Oh my goodness That's a good trade That's a pretty sick trade Dude you know yeah so Yeah And now we have this crazy Technology with cell phones and this You could literally put a band in

I'll get shocked sometimes putting a ban name on Spotify And this pull up Yeah you know I like I really like I was telling talking to somebody recently about band camp I really like band camp because band camp reminds me of demo trading but more of like a modern digital way because there's so many there's big bands on it but there's so many small bands and it when you're searching stuff it

definitely brings you down those rabbit holes and you're like wow this is gold this is really cool you know I discovered on uh it's not even metal it's a label called cryo chamber and they do put out all these like dark ambient soundscape things okay and I discovered them through band camp and every year they put out it's a collaboration of all their artists, but each one that comes out is based off like an HP Lovecraft, like mythos type thing. And it's just dark, ambient soundscape stuff,

like three hours, four hours of it. But it's kind of like an escape and it gets away. And sometimes I like to use it when I write lyrics because it just like clears me out and then I can just sit down and write stuff. But yeah, I discovered them through bandcamp. And I was like, man, this label's great. and I'll turn people on to them and everything.

But if you look through, they have like different, they do like a, it's like an HP Lovecraft kind of based thing. And what they do is it's a collaboration of all the artists that they put out. You know, watch, keep scrolling down, just keep scrolling down. It usually has a pretty, like that one.

Right there, the third one, down, right there. So each one, and they usually have pretty cool artwork and everything too. Oh, wow. And they sell, they sell it. you know digital they sell like real CDs and stuff like that so you see the artwork here okay yeah I didn't get band can't but try yeah it's it's great because you can go in and listen to and then at one point

it shuts you there and says stop being a cheap ass and purchase something yeah of course of course and but some of them are like pay your own price you know like you find a band on there and they're like okay the record's like five bucks and you're like well this sounds really good I'm gonna give you 10 bucks you know so you can you can pay what you want, like more if you want to them. And then when you buy something through them too, you get like all the variations of like, you can get MP3 or you can get wave or you can, you know what I'm saying? Like so you can get like proper quality audio files or just like MP3 compress files.

So it gives you to, and it's unlimited once you purchase it. So you can go back and get like a better version quality wise if you just downloaded the MP3 of it. And then like some places also sell like the actual real four. formats of everything as well. That's a great concept. Yeah. It's cool that they give you like all the options. Okay, you get a MP3, we get the wave, whatever quality you want.

Yeah, yeah. What is the better quality? It's a wave? Wave's supposed to be better than an MP3, right? Yeah. It's definitely larger, right? Yeah. I mean, it's a lot, so I assume more sound.

We need Eric Ruchan here. Eric knows. He would answer it. Yeah, he would be like, he's got like a, he, he introduced us to a lot. It's a site that just all they sell is high quality stuff. And he made like hate internal stuff like really high res that you could purchase and listen to. Because Eric's ears are like insane. You know, like his hearing.

It's like supersonic bad ears. I'll be sitting there and go, did you hear that? And I'm like, I'm going deaf. I don't hear a fucking thing. Yeah. I forget what album were recording with him. And he was like, guitar's out of time. tune. And I'm like, there's no way.

And I thought it was you, Zach. I was like, dude, do you hear this? Is this a sound out of tune? He's like, no, sounds fine. And he goes, listen, really fucking, listen really hard for this certain sound. And once I heard it, I was like,

fuck, it's out of tune. So he taught me how to hear shit in a different way that totally fucked everything up for me. Because everything's out of tune. No, everything's out of tune. Nothing is ever going to be in tune ever again. That's true.

Yeah, it's like once you hear something, you can't unhear it. Yeah. And then I start hearing it like on every recording that I listen to, like, everything. And it's just like, fuck. But I don't hear it on the hate eternal stuff for some reason. Well, shout out to Eric. Legend, man. So you guys are out on the I hate cards where now.

They're celebrating 30 years, right? Wow. Here's the dates. 30 years of, take his name. The second record. Yeah. 30 years of that's the second record, yes.

Well, it started in Austin. Yeah. It's pretty sick. So that was kind of somewhat hometown show, right? Yeah. Yeah. Sick.

It was a really good one. It was hot as fucking balls, but it was a really good show. It's kind of a long one. No, no, it's not. Well, it's just, it's like three weeks. Yeah.

It's like three to a half. Two and a half. Two weeks. Yeah. At three weeks, at this morning, I started to go Mooney. Three, which is good. You know what? Cures you that.

What? Take some acid. I just got some mushrooms low key, so we'll see what happens next week. Oh, yeah. That's good enough, you know? Is your first time for mushrooms? Yeah. Oh, really?

How are you doing? Are you going to go like, are you doing a huge dose? Are you going to do like a small dose and like slip into it slowly? I'm thinking of doing the slip in slowly, but then again, I might just lose it. And then, I might just lose it. And then that second, just do a big one. Yeah. We'll see.

Mushrooms, go big. Go big. Go big and stay home. That's not going to do. Let's see what happens. Well, cool. Let's see where, Jay blow it up a little bit. I want to see what the last day is.

Last day is the 23rd. In Lafayette, Louisiana. Of course it ends there. That's sick. The old feeding seed. Never played there. I've heard a lot of good things about it. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Well, dudes, I just want to say that I, appreciate your time. I appreciate that you guys made the trip down here. Yeah, we appreciate it. It was cool. Uh, work, people find you. Huh? Where can people find you? Like, uh, social media, internet, YouTube. Oh, you know, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, all the usual.

Yeah, you know. Just look up the goad whore, uh, let's see, uh, Instagram is at Goathor Nola. And then Twitter is like, I think it's like, goad hoar. or underscore Nola. Our Twitter account. Oh, yeah. You can go to our wonderful link tree and we got everything there as well. I'll put the link in the bio and stuff.

Yeah. I fucked up with the monster and a beer. I'm going to peeve my pants. But again, guys, thank you. It's great hanging. No, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

All right. We appreciate it, man. Next time we come, we're just going to take a bunch of acid and see what happens. Oh, I'm down. Next time. Totally black out of the room.

It just take some asses and see what happens. Yeah, we'll do that with the mushrooms. Like, wear a blindfold and just put music on. Oh, my goodness. Is that something that you use you to do? You put like a blindfolding to mushrooms? Well, they say... I mean, I think you should do it.

Really? Okay. What's told is that, like... So it's good, like, being on psilocybin, like, visually is really fucking interesting. But if you get rid of the vision thing, you focus more mental and hearing. You know what I'm saying? So put a black. like blindfold on and then just go on yeah or a paint blindfold but as long as it's black

out you know whatever color you want you can have it purple okay yeah that would be sick what a what about for uh she do music or or no music no do music yeah yeah do some mixtures of stuff i'd say i have a friend too with you i can do both you can listen to music for a little while and take a little break and just then it get real quiet and see what go outside for a minute and enjoy some enjoy some air and scenery and back some music make sure you put a about six hours or six hours yeah yeah okay and i just wait this is wait until i just pass out i'll just you might not even basil you might be like come out of it and you want to do everything and anything oh yes that's sick too well we just let the whole world know what i'm doing next week

all right until next time appreciate it later thank you