Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - 2025 NFL Draft Reactions

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

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That is Matt Ford. This is Jeff Schwartz is smarter than you. We're doing this on a Monday rather than a Friday because we had a big NFL weekend. We had the NFL draft Thursday, Friday, Saturday, seven rounds. I'm gonna track the picks. I think 261 picks, somewhere around there.

This is pick 241 from 2008, reporting to you, Matt. 17 years ago, I was drafted. I turned to my wife and I said, I've known you for 17 years. I met her after I was drafted in Charlotte. So we will recap what happened this weekend, the draft. I'm not going through all the picks, but we will talk about Sugar Sanders.

We'll probably ask Matt about his commanders. We'll talk about maybe some picks we liked in the first round. Matt, one year I was working on NFL radio in Sirius like a week after the draft. And this is when I was probably a little more heavy in just studying a hundred of the players, right? Right now I do so many things that I study

the top 40 players essentially, right? Like I just don't have time to do all the players anymore. And I know most of the offensive linemen of course, but I was doing NFL radio, we were talking about the Lions or something and I'm talking about the Lions wide receivers and Stafford, he's on the Lions and a caller called in to me and said, hey, what do you think of this guy, this guy Matt Ford we drafted? And I said, man, hey, what do you think of this guy? Uh, this guy, Matt Ford, we drafted. And I said, man, you know, all wide receivers play well with Stafford, you know, just like, you know, they'll find a spot for him. I no idea what he was. And he goes, no, he's actually a cornerback. The lion's drafted. I was like, what do you want? What do you want from me?

What am I going to tell you? He said at seventh round corner lines draft, and he called and asked me about, about him. So my point being that we'll talk about the top of the draft That's what we're gonna do because that's what we're focused on And if you want team specific stuff, don't leave my podcast Well, it's plenty to be found whether you could get granular on teams buddy. How was your weekend? How was your NFL draft? I just I feel like you just really like revealed some like old trauma there and Appreciate for doing that like this is a safe place. I feel like you just really like revealed some like old trauma there. And I appreciate for doing that. Like this is a safe place.

I'm glad you feel that you can trust me on that information. That's really, I get that. Um, yeah, I've, I had a great time watching the drafts. Um, but I wanted to start this podcast with the question, Jeff, which was there's, there's, there's a real debate happening online right now about, uh, how many men would be needed to stop one gorilla. My question is, would you load up the team that would go against the gorilla

with offensive linemen, defensive linemen, like fill out maybe the football genome perspective here. If we were to sort of gang up against a gorilla, there's two plots for us. We need 98 more guys, fill it out. Yeah, well, my dog wants to be involved very clearly. I would- Ineligible.

Ineligible. I would probably say you need more defense linemen than offense linemen because they're a little nutso. You know? But you probably need some offense linemen to help with the planning and the attack and how to actually go about this. This is a great debate. It's very funny.

I think, I mean, 100 NFL office linemen could probably subdue the gorilla enough, but I don't know, man. I mean, like we're gonna lose a couple. We're gonna lose a couple, Matt, to the gorilla. It's going to be bad. It's not going to be a clean sheet. 100%.

No, no. I just love these debates because the answer is the gorilla would kill all 100 regular men. I think so too. Oh, absolutely. I think you could maybe throw in, I mean, if you were to fill out the NFL team of the 100, I think you're Andrew Luck, you're Peyton Manning, your consensus number one pick has to be Dan

Campbell. He's going to lead you and he might, he might lay down himself and be just in the mix. He's got the size. He's got the leadership. He's, he's got a sort of a tactical reckless even strategy. So, I would say you start with him and then, you know, yeah, I do feel like the edge rushers might be, reckless even uh strategy so i would say you start with him and then You know, yeah, I do feel like the edge rushers might be you know, or maybe the big boys like that kid from florida The the the tush push weapon desmond whatever like get him in there Was you have to sacrifice him early like let the gorilla sort of be for those who missed it Tampa Bay

Drafted tez johnson the smallest player in the draft weight 154 pounds. Wow. Then they signed the defensive tackle from Florida who's 420 pounds. So the biggest difference ever in a draft season were those guys which is which is incredible. I love these debates because the answer is always the animal's going to win and I just love how humans and mostly men think that we're going to defeat animals in sort of thunderdome situations. Yeah. And not happening. And even, I mean, you can't even, we can't even defeat a rattlesnake. The thing bites you you're dead. We're going to go after a gorilla. Um, so yeah, it would, I'd pay to watch it. I mean, I'd be down. The thing is, here's what would happen.

The gorilla, if it's 100 NFL offensive linemen, it would get too tired. Like that would be, and we would succumb, that's the issue. It would just be tired. But 100 regular men, 100 Hank Grobergs, probably gorilla. So I love these discussions so much. I can have them all day because it just it's great. Like summer radio. I always refer to that. Just these debates. And so what a way to start. Thank you. I think we netted out on we don't love our chances Dan Campbell's involved and then more defensive players

Okay. Yeah, so I mean we can I guess we can talk about the NFL draft that happens that got more viewers than Game seven of the NBA Finals. Maybe people are somewhat interested in that. I Quick on the ratings thing, dude I used to really I used to care a little bit more about that stuff NFL's king NFL These become such a king that I don't care anymore but what I find so interesting about that about this, and we're trying to bash the NBA, Matt, is every year, like December 30th, there's a graphic on social media that lists the hundred most watched events of the season. Okay? And 75 are football, 24 are basketball, and like a presidential debate.

Right. That's the 100. Yeah, something like that, right? So even if the NBA is not the NFL, it's still like 25% of the top 100 watch days of the year or events of the year. It's why they get a $7 billion TV deal. If you want, as an advertiser, to have your product seen on television, there's two options for the most part.

Three, I guess, NFL, college football, which is a different type of audience, and the NBA, which is a different type of audience than I would say college football or even some of the NFL. So like, the writing thing is stupid. Like, I know why we do it, but it doesn't mean anything. It's just it's a fun number throughout. That's not the NBA struggling for just on a $7 billion TV deal.

I think it's people who maybe have a problem with some things about the NBA that maybe you or I don't have problems with. Fair enough, which is our next topic. But yes, what's our next topic, but yes. What's our next topic? Well, Sanders dropping. There were people that were the same people that do NBA ratings are cheering for Sanders dropping. Right. So right.

There is definitely that which that conversation has come up. But so I guess, obviously, if you're watching this or listening, you know what happened with your Sanders. He ends up going to the fifth round. Mel Kuiper went apoplectic on the air. Jeff, I'm sure you have thoughts on this. Were you surprised at how the day went sort of, the weekend rather went for Shadrers?

Okay, I'm gonna start with the Kuiper thing because it's gonna tie into sort of what my whole picture on Sanders. Okay, so here's where I think we sort of, not we, and I'm in the media, went wrong on this, Matt, okay? So I covered Colorado with the Pac-12 radio for the first year that Dion was there, okay? And covered them heavily, every day. Like the idea that you can be a hater of Dion because you talk

negatively about him is ridiculous. Dion's great for business, buddy. Like, Dion is awesome for business. Talked to Colorado every day, every other radio, from the day he was signed as head coach till the day that station died after the Pac-12 broke up. Every day we talked about Deon in Colorado. Great for business. But it's good for business, but also there

was a point where it got where I just stopped mentioning Colorado on social media because the backlash of that decision, if I said anything negative to decide to talk about on social media, was not worth getting blown up on social media format, right? So with that idea about like the rabidness of the Colorado backers essentially, the Dion and Chaudhuri fans, okay? So the TV, the forward-facing TV people that do mock drafts and do the draft for a living, they were much higher on Chaudhuri Sanders than sort of like the film people that we turn to. So like, for example, like I'll use your name like Nate Tice

who I like, I think you like as well. He and Shajur ranked 40th on his big board. We talked to like Todd McShea, who's now back at the ringer, I believe it is. He had him about 25 to 30. You look at like Dane Bruegler who works for the athletics. Sorry, I kicked my computer there. I think he had him somewhere about the 20s,

I think was about where he netted out on Shajiro Sanders. And then the TV people were like five, six, four, seven, and I think a lot of that had to do with just not wanting to get the backlash for going national television and saying he's my 27th best prospect. And dude, even in the week of the draft, Dan Arlovsky put out a video for ESPN just saying, something like, here are some things Deon has to work on. And Deon quote tweeted saying Dan was a hater. Why do you want that in your life? Like, you know what I mean? So, like, okay, so that's one thing the evaluation was so wrong on Sanders was that we had a lot of people that were loud on the TV side saying he is this type of player. And look, certainly I am second in my mock draft for a while.

Like I'm we're all part of the problem here. I think and you listen to other people that were sort of like, you know what? I don't know. I like the people that weren't worried about their opinion basically ever getting to the people that get angry at them. Does that make sense, Matt? And so I think that the people that were right were the Nate Tyses. They had him about 40. The McShays, the Dane Bruglers, again, like those guys that just sort of were, I mean, more honest about their opinion. Like Mel Kuyper saying he's the fifth best player in this draft is so high

I mean even I think that the If you just strip out All the other stuff we'll talk about the other stuff matt and just look at the on the field production from sanders He's not the fifth best prospect in this draft He's not cam war is not the fifth best prospect in this draft if you're grading the players one, you know through a hundred So like I just think it's ludicrous how far in that direction it went. Okay. So Mel Kuiper is so offended by this and it's again, it's an unwillingness to move off your opinion when, when new information comes out and actually give credit to other people in the panel. And they're mostly former players

that said like, Hey Mel, dude, this is the NFL. The NFL will tell you what your worth is and the NFL will do that. I didn't want to be drafted seventh round. I thought it was better than that too, but the NFL told me, Jeff Schwartz, you're a seventh round pick and there's many reasons for that. But that's what happened and the NFL tongue should do your fifth round pick. And it's not because of talent. It's because I think once the talent is, I think we agree is, you know, again, end the first round, top of second round type talent. But once you get past about the top 55 picks, Matt,

as a quarterback, you're not being drafted to start. Just what it is. Look at the NFL right now. Just what it is. Look at the NFL right now. All first round picks. It's Jalen Hurts. And then what? Dak Prescott, Brock Purdy.

Like, those are, Purdy and Prescott, cousins, like, complete outliers. Cousins aren't even starting anymore. They've got a first round pick to start for him. Complete outliers. You're not brought in to start. You might start for circumstances at some point. And I think once Sanders was out of the range of the draft of where he was a bona fide starter being drafted by a team, I think teams just didn't want to deal with everything else.

And we heard stories and we actually had a name. Todd McShay's username, Brian Dable, he put a name to a story. The Giants head coach, Brian Dable, he gave Sanders basically homework. And look, in these meetings, they will tell the player, hey, like, here's our playbook, like, sort of come prepared, or like do some studying. It's even, you know, it's a draft day scene where they, they put a dollar at the back of the playbook for everyone to go through the playbook and Bo Callahan didn't give the dollar back or didn't talk about the dollar. It's the same concept, right?

Like teams want you to come prepared and Sanders did not come prepared at all. And his people overplayed their hand. They thought they had, you know, a straight flush and they had two pair and they played it like they were invincible to the process. And the NFL said, sorry man, you didn't play this right. You didn't take interviews seriously. You didn't take the process seriously. You never really gave us athletic testing. Like your pro day was okay, but not great. Your film, well, many things I like about your film is not perfect.

And so, Matt, I think all of those things are the reasons why A, he was too high, and B, why he fell. I think you're right. I think you're dead on. I mean, the you mentioned your experience, like, you were a seventh round pick, but you outperformed your your draft position. And that's the thing,

I think that's being lost in all this is like, sure, actually, he did go to the team that we all probably wanted him to go to, you know, like, there is a world where he could be the starter for the Browns this season. Maybe even week one. It's not likely, but it's possible that at some point he will get a chance to start for them. Clearly, I thought it was interesting because there was a lot of allegations about collusion or blackballing or whatever. It's pretty clear to me that the owner made the pick for this, right? When you saw the reaction from the Browns staff when they made the pick and they had already picked

Dylan Gabriel, they weren't thrilled, but it was the owner said, like, hey, we talked about him at number two. Why don't we take him now? And I mean, that's not official, but you have to assume that. So I think, look, clearly, whatever happened off the field had some impact, but I think the assessment was guided by where he is on the field. And then I think, you know, there's something I forget which coach it was. I think it was Mike Tomlin sometime around this time last year was talking about how being a coach, like you should want to coach people, right? Like it's not always fun to get the guy who's a finished product, you know, doesn't really need the coaching or can coach others.

Like you should want, you know, the, the, problem the headache the challenge and I think a lot of coaches feel that way and and you know guys who develop players but I do think that there's maybe some wondering of what if he'll be able to receive coaching or not. Well surely that's probably fair but I think it's out there. Again we're repeating things we've heard I have not been told this by anything, anyone. But you're right about people are concerned that he's only played for his dad. And what happens when you play for someone else. You mentioned the people alleging

collusion, all these things. This is also, again, why it's hard to talk about Shajar Sanders because, so going back to the first year there at Colorado, they start for three and a half, if you remember. And the media hype was so over the top for Colorado that it turned a lot of people off and made people dislike the Sanders family for no real reason. Like disliking them because they're getting too much attention to me feels like a silly way to dislike them but a lot of people

Just started hating for lack of a better term on standards Because of the media Was making it seem like they were winning the super bowl in college football. There was a tweet that came out I remember after week three that was who would win between 2019 LSU, remember the Joe Burrow team, or 2023 Colorado. Yeah, one gorilla and 2023 Colorado. Next week they lost to Oregon 42 to six in a game that wasn't even that close. Okay. And so a lot of people, I think, just got, it got, like, imagine Mel Kuyper talking about Sanders the way he did this week, but that happened for like weeks at a time.

So people got turned off of Colorado that it was hard to even give, I gave them credit last season, but people, like last year, they were actually legitimately deserving of credit. They did a great job last season, unbelievable job. But the people that are saying that it's collusion, those are the same people that turned everyone off two years ago by saying that this was the greatest thing they've ever seen. And in the same year, Northwestern won seven games after winning one game, Colorado won four.

You know, it's sort of that, so it's the same people that turned people off two years ago, the same people saying collusion. Look, Matt, you know this. I know this. We're NFL fans. I've said this before. The NFL only cares about the integrity of the game, does not care about the people playing in the game.

There's a player drafted by the Ravens with two sexual assault allegations. It was in the middle of second round. The Browns, who drafted Chadeur Sanders, have a quarterback on their roster, Matt. 35 women have accused him of sexual assault, like sexual misconduct, all those things. The NFL does not care. If you can play, you will get drafted high. You will get paid in the NFL. So the idea that the NFL owner said, just colluded with everyone's like,

Sander's actually really this good, but let's not sign him because he is arrogant, whatever term you want to use, or we don't want his personality. That's not the way the league works. Yeah, like the league wouldn't want more Deion Sanders. Like, of course they would. It's great for business, like you said.

So all those things I think came into play now as far as will he play or not. I'll tell you what look Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco I think fight for the starting job. The loser of that gets gets cut essentially and then Dylan Gabriel and Sugar Sanders fight for the the number one primary backup job. The issue is that this is not a lot of reps to go around. Like that's the problem. There's just not a lot of reps. Um, you know, you have 10, 10, 10 off season workouts or OTAs and you got, you got a training camp.

But I just, this is not, this is not a lot to, to really, um, to, to, to reps. There's not a lot of reps. So I don't know when he gets to reps. There's not a lot of reps in that. So I don't know when he gets to play. I liked him in this offense. I like him in this offense, but the Gabriel pick really sort of threw me off because Gabriel's very clearly drafted to be a backup. So should your draft to be the starter in the fifth round?

I don't know what to say. Yeah, I don't think that was the plan, like I said, but you're right. And that's interesting, your point about one of the vets will get cut. I'll say this too. I think, I don't know. I think he has a chance, we'll see.

And I don't know. I think he ended up being put in a decent situation, but crazy story. It's sort of a shame. I feel bad for him, honestly. I feel like he became the story of this whole draft. And no time has been spent talking about Cam Ward. I'm not the first to bring that up. But even the rest of the first round, I'm looking back and I had to look through to prepare for the show. What else happened in this draft? It it became this story about Scherrer

and his drop and I'm rooting for him. I think that like you can get over, you know, being a little bit cocky or like, you know, he's too much of a celebrity. Like we'll see. It kind of reminds me of a little bit of the discourse around Caleb Williams last year. And that ended up maybe having some validity to it. Like there's this, you said last year he was like the first Gen Z quarterback to be picked. And I found that to be pretty interesting, in just sort of like how he presented himself. But this might be a little bit of that too.

It's just like, this is a different guy. He was doing a Twitch stream for a few days. Like maybe he'll end up succeeding and being and being a leader And you know, maybe some crotchety owners and coaches and GMs. Maybe don't understand that yet. We'll see I'm looking forward to following it. Obviously, um, I don't think The point we made like no one is rooting against him here at least I don I don't root against anyone, to be honest with you. I just don't care enough to root against anybody. Like, I don't know who has time in their life

to root against anyone. I barely have time to root for myself in my life. It seems silly to me that people hated him so much. But some of the takes, oh buddy, they're... They are out there. They're just, it's why people have trouble with, I think the coverage of the family, because there's just very clearly people out there

that are just not using much logic and just saying things. Like, again, the NFL, man, it tells you what they feel about you, whether you like it or not. And that's what last night was, or whatever, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Oh, I saw a bet on a Friday morning. I'm in New York City walking to get a bagel

on Friday morning. And I saw a wager on a far away website that had standards to not be picked in the second round plus 10,000, so 100 to one. They limited me to one whole dollar, Matt. I got one dollar down on it. So I made a hundred dollars on that. That was, thank you.

Thank you, Offshore website. That was great. I got multiple texts from people. Like one of my fantasy leagues, somebody sent that text, that tweet, not knowing that we, some super supportive friend, not knowing that we even know each other, let alone that I'm co-hosting your show with you.

But it sort of got some buzz out there of like, wow, this is a really sharp move by old Jeff Schwartz. Congrats on the big pop there. I think I tried to put down $25 on it. Yeah. And it got limited to one. So- Yeah, you could retire if you had that one.

Any other thoughts on the draft? No, I think I'd love to hear more about your thoughts on the draft as a whole. Yeah. Do you, how do you want to do this? Some favorites, some favorite picks? I mean, I don't know if I have like favorite picks per se, but I just think that this draft was unique because there weren't a lot of players that I think teams felt like they had to draft per se, right, like it just sort of, you got to a point,

the Cowboys at 12 were like, we like the guard, we're taking Buckland. You know, it was one of those drafts where, and Dallas by the way has drafted multiple like Hall of Fame office linemen in the first round, they're like the one team I trust to always draft well. At that position, I should say. So yeah, I don't really,

again, I don't know if I have, it was a pretty boring draft from that perspective. You know, the Eagles and Chiefs did well. I mean, the Panthers did well. I thought the Browns, if you reorder their draft, it's funny if you like- Yeah, it looks great. Yeah, it looks great if you reorder it.

Just the way they drafted- Swap Sanders and Gabriel, yeah. The rest of their draft looks really good. And they got the extra draft pick from the Jaguars. I didn't like that trade. I didn't like the Falcons trade. The Jaguars traded, just think about this, Matt. Next year, okay? I didn't like that trade. I didn't like I didn't like the the falcons trade that the jackboards trade Just think about this map

Next year. Okay Let's say trevor lawrence has a tough season They don't have a first round pick to get a quarterback Yeah, that's a pretty interesting pretty interesting uh situation they're in but they they're not going to be able to do that anyway because they extended him and They brought in the coach who probably is all sold on him. I think, you know, Atlanta's maybe a little more interesting with Pennex. Like he's had the injury situation, Cousins still on the team, you know, you could read into that a lot of ways, but, you know, they potentially might be looking for a quarterback next year too. I hope not. Why don't I just fire some questions at you?

Because I guess we sort of touched on the Travis Hunter thing, interesting play. I don't know if Jacksonville is maybe the right spot for him. But what about the Panthers? They ended up taking McMillan at number eight. I think that was the first really big surprise of the draft. What did you think of that play for them and and maybe the rest of their their crew?

I I like what they did. Look, I think again like I think they wanted to go defense early in that trap But they look at what they were at and like this is the best one I've seen on the board But let's just go ahead and take them and like that's that feels okay to do and again I mean this was a draft where, you know, it, uh, everyone, it's like, it's like ice cream, buddy. We all have our flavor, our favorite flavors of ice cream. And it felt like the draft where there, once you got past the premium players, there wasn't a lot of players or situations like that. I think teams did poorly on because it's all how they sort of looked at where they were with the draft and the picks. Yeah, I liked it. I mean, it's it's sort of like if you're and then they ended up drafting two edge rushers

with their next two picks, Skowarton and princely. I loved what they did. And it's like if you get the best receiver in the draft, like if you like him, trust it. Like I thought that was a really nice pick. What did you think of the Giants and how they played the first round? They ended up just obviously getting Carter.

They're getting a lot of credit for Carter and then coming back in for Jackson Dart. I have a specific Dart follow-up, but I just, I mean, I sat him going nine to the Saints in our mock drafts, heard some buzz that he was gonna fly up some boards, but I'm just curious, like what, you watched him more in college,

like how did you think the Giants played that? Oh, we'll clap in a second. So I said this on TV when I was with Nick, it was a lot of fun with being that crew. That's a fun group to be with. I was prepared for some Luka and Laker takes, but they didn't take me up on the basketball offer there. They're gonna have a shelf life, one more game.

So get them ready. Dude, as a Lakers fan, quickly, I'll give you one basketball take. If you have Luca and LeBron, you should score more than 19 points in the second half. Yeah, I think that's a good take. In the fourth quarter, I should say, of a playoff game, a must-win game.

Like the reason you have both of them is so you don't blow a seven-point lead with three minutes left. Yeah, that's a point of them, of having those guys. Even when they played those guys the entire second half and Denver did the same thing and barely survived against the Clippers. But they were up 20 points Denver was like that was the goal. Get up big and just sort of try to finish up and the Lakers were right on path and then just didn't do it again.

This team frustrates me. But they're many pieces away. I don't know what we're talking about anymore. Which team we're talking about? Yeah, I kind of forgot. Oh, the Giants. Giants, okay. So you want to feel, at least I do, something when you draft a quarterback that high. The Giants traded that pick

and we all knew it was for Jackson Dart. They drafted him Matt and I felt nothing inside. I was just like, oh, my first thought was, oh, they'll be back here in three years. Yeah. Being a quarterback. That's probably not the thought you want to have. Nope, probably not. Yeah. And I, oh, could I be wrong? Yeah.

Absolutely. I've never been wrong before, but I'm willing to be wrong this time But I just think that you're supposed to say, you know back me up on that. Um, but I I do think that um It's just it's You get first round pick next season. Just it's a lot man, and they're not going to play dark this season and he needs room for growth and whatnot, so I guess trying to save your job. I mean, I don't know, man. I don't love it.

I thought, yeah, I thought the whole situation was interesting. First of all, yes, they got the second quarterback in the class, but you're not usually finding a guy who's going to save your franchise like in the 20s. It doesn't happen that often. Like there's the odd Lamar Jackson, you know, but there's not. Usually

it's people that other teams want. And he got past the Steelers. He got all the way down through the teens. Maybe there was a thought, maybe the Rams would have taken him so that they could groom him by in Stafford. I didn't see that. They ended up trading out of the rounds for the Falcons anyway. Curious pick. I also thought, you know, the Abdul Carter thing, they're getting a lot of love for that. I get it. One of the themes that I sort of saw in this draft was like, teams were not afraid to draft their strengths, like to add to what they already have. Like Tampa was a team that did that. Giants, obviously. Who was the team right after Tampa that drafted?

Denver. Denver, right, where they draft a corner. Are those good draft pick by them? It was interesting because it's like, well, what's the one thing Denver doesn't need? It's like, well, they probably don't need a corner. And it's like, okay, well, they took a corner. Now they should have like the best one-two

cornerback duo in the league. They just got strength on strength. And the giants, like, I will say, like, nobody's going to look forward to playing the Giants. Like, they're going to have a really tough defensive line to deal with. Like, that could end up winning them a few games sort of by accident, even if their offense is terrible. But I think you're right. I think, I think going up big for Dart, when they honestly, like, probably could have gotten them at the first pick of the second rounds, like, I'm not really sure who was going to jump back in there and take them but you know I guess if you get if you love your guy you got to

get your guys so you know credit to them for that I guess yeah and again you know I did a I did a article for Fox Sports grading the draft and I did it like in my hotel room at like 11 45 PM Eastern as draft was ending. And it's like, I didn't know how you give more than like, I mean like worse than like a B minus on draft night. Like you don't know how these guys are gonna be until they actually play.

Worse. You're just grading your game process, you know? And so I think I gave you commanders at A plus though. I don't even forget who they drafted. Oh, Connerly, yeah, of course, A plus. Drafted Oregon office alignment. Yeah, I guess you commanders at eight plus though. I don't even forget who they drafted. Oh, Connerly. Yeah, of course. Eight plus. Dragon organ, organ, offense alignment.

Yeah. I guess you gave me a plus for that. Just a straight bias, but I was like, okay, like the commanders are interesting, right? Like, I don't know. They drafted positions they needed, like, but I don't know. What do you feel about the commanders? Yeah. I mean, they sort of fall into those other teams that kind of hit towards the back half of the round that seemed to know what they're doing. And they took, they took offensive line and corner

with their top two. And it's like, they didn't really need an offensive lineman, but by doing so they upgraded, like they can move people around. So they kind of solve multiple problems. The other thing that's interesting with that, what they did was their big off seasons acquisitions were tonsil, Latimore from last year and Samuel. And their top three picks were tackle corner and receiver. So they kind of drafted their replacements maybe. Yeah. Um, but I do think like you watch the chiefs, you watch the Ravens,

you watch the bills. Chiefs did well. They, the Eagles, like they just like take the best guy there and they figure it out. And I've never been on a fan of a team that's been able to do that. And you look at a team like the giants where it's like, okay, you need a quarterback. It's worth the swing. You should take the risk if you believe in the quarterback, but you do sort of see these teams every year

kind of fall into that same pattern of like, well, we need this. Yeah. But you made the point that's that's I want to reiterate because I don't want to pass it over. So it's a good point you made. It's something I was going to bring up as we end here. So teams spend months putting together the big board, right? Their own big board where they rank all the players, one through 300. And you've often found the best teams or drafting in the first round, of course, because they're playoff teams.

But they just draft the highest player on their board every time. Yep. And I'm not saying Connerly was the best player, but it seems very clear he was pretty high up there because they need other players and they took him instead. Yeah. And you look at like the chiefs, I could have used a D is a D tackle, but the ruling was anyone available. The Eagles took a lot off the ball linebacker. Like they don't,

they don't need that. Yeah. If they found one and just paid one. Yeah. I mean, in other, and you know, they let, I think that other one, the other one walked, but like you just, if mean in other and you know, they let I think that other one the other walked but like you just If you take enough good football players You figure it out and it's also Shocking how often You draft a player

Who's not supposed to play and then they're they're pushing in front of him gets hurt Right all of a sudden the player that you need as a fan base is playing for your week three. Right. And like, so I like just, we don't watch any strategies so far. They've been great in year one. There's no reason to doubt

the way they built the roster so far. Right. That's a great point. You know, you just can't have too many absolute studs. And it's, yeah, it seems like I mean, we had a little bit of off air discussion, we don't need to go into commanders tackle talk, but like seems like Kingsbury really wanted him. So like, that's cool. I have a few

teams, I thought gave me some real questions. I'm going to give you five, and then we'll do them quick. Okay. Saints. They take banks who like, okay, sure, it sounds good, but then they go with shock or whatever in round two. Probably the most insane, you tweeted a tweet from Oregon in 2019 when he was the backup for Justin Herbert. And I was like, 2019?

Like that's just absolutely insane I they to me I just have no idea what they're doing I'm pretty sure he would that was the second year at Oregon to right I think I think I got to Oregon 2018 yeah yeah you know again does drafting a 26 year old quarterback does it does that do you get the tingles inside does Does that make you feel good Saints fans? Feels like you just waste a second round pick. Correct. But you know, God bless.

How about, how about the Steelers who pass on Dart, pass on Chuck, pass on the whole quarterback class. The Steelers still don't have a quarterback. It's, it's May. What are we doing? So our pal, Dave Damaschek put out a great video today on this. I saw that.

Yeah. And he's a huge stealer. He's in a room full of stealer stuff. The biggest stealer is the one we're going to find. And they're openly mocking the franchise, because they don't have a quarterback right now. That's why I thought they draft Sanders. I'm still surprised it didn't just,

they just didn't take him. There must have been so many red flags, dude. We're gonna get that athletic article in like two days from someone or Seth Wickersham is gonna run down 22 sources and put out a great piece in a month on ESPN.com, right? Like maybe something's gonna come out about how this process went. Yeah Well, I know if they land on Aaron Rodgers and pass on sugar Sanders

I have some questions about the Steelers process. Let me just let me just put it that way Are they we're going under again this year, right? I Think this is I didn't last year and they went over and this year. I am I am decidedly on the under You know, you know by the way, okay, so it's meant to be May June July we're like Matt. We're August is soon when we start doing our preview shows, buddy We're it's happening soon we're getting there before you know it man. Oh, I cannot wait. I can't either. Football season is just off the best. So yeah, and we need people to be on board.

If you want to be on board, let us know. Yes, we would love that. More quick questions, and I'll cut a few here. Baltimore, suddenly this, you mentioned, is it Mike Green is his first name? Yeah, Mike Green. So now on their roster, they, they had this Justin Tucker thing hanging over them. They, they draft Mike Green, uh, just felt like they put themselves in a bit of a weird bullseye that could have completely been avoided.

Like everyone loved the Starks pick, but I think people just hear like, Oh, the Ravens drafted at safety from Georgia. Like he's going to the hall of Fame, we'll see. But then they take this guy Green in the second round, just felt a little bit odd to me. Like a team that doesn't need to do that, but I guess how they felt about him checks out. I'm just curious what you thought of that.

I mean, look, Mike Green was supposed to be a top 15 pick and they got him at like 55 or something, right? So I mean, I get why they did that and again they they um he's been accused of two sexual assaults again he I actually don't know different colleges I don't know where the process is in those accusations um obviously the Ravens feel comfortable enough to um to to to make that um to make that draft pick. And then they had to draft a kicker in the second round too. So interesting.

I mean, it's interesting. In the sixth round I should say. Yeah, I don't know, it says no formal charges were filed and Greene has done any wrongdoing. He voluntarily brought up the allocation of the NFL scouting combine in February. He was not made available to reporters Friday night. Raven's general manager, Eric Takosta,

I would say that we investigate the situation very thoroughly. The name of the best scouts in the NFL got great success going to Virginia, they go to Marshall. So I think he feels fine with it. That's interesting. Yeah, I mean, those are some of my questions. I thought for the most part, this is not a draft that's gonna shape the history of the NFL all that much.

I thought Chiefs did a good job, Patriots, Patriots did good, yeah. The Seahawks, loved the Titans, I thought they did well. But yeah, fun draft, I don't know. I'm sad it's over and now we're dead for a little while. We're gonna do, well, we're gonna, well, this podcast but yeah, fun draft. I don't know. I'm, I'm sad it's over and we, uh, now we're, we're dead for a little while. We're going to do, we're going to, we're not, we're not, when this podcast is not going to be dead. It's up to you. I'll keep going. We'll find some breaks, but we'll keep going.

Especially when the commander signed von Miller in a few days and I start to freak out because they still don't have an edge rusher and they're, they're going to sign somebody. We're going to need to talk about that. Is there a trade trade possibility? I don't know who it would be, but they don't have any picks, but maybe. Um, right. But anything else? I think we, I think we covered it.

Should we hit on that? We left every, we got all the meat off the bone on the gorilla conversation. I think, I don't think time allows for our cook share discussion today. Probably not. We'll get it next time. We're gonna do a review of hotel chairs at some point this summer when there's nothing to do. We're just gonna have Sam put together a collage of chairs and rate them.

Yeah. Like one to 10 in different categories. Right, but the thing that I think we just gotta drill down on is we gotta define this. Like not every, it's a square rectangle situation where not every chair in a hotel is a true chair for viewing. It's sometimes more just there for maybe another look in your Zoom call.

There are some chairs that are logical in these hotel rooms, but we can save that for another show. Yeah, so all right, everyone. We're back next week after the commander's son, Von Miller. I hope you enjoyed the show. I hope I explained that Sanders thing well. Have a great week, everyone. We'll talk to you next week.

Take care, everybody. See you, Bill. Thanks for watching!