Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - Bienemy to DC, Predicting QB Moves, and the Boring Cardinals

Episode Date: March 1, 2023

Geoff and Gabe are back to talk about Eric Bienemy accepting a position as the Commanders' new offensive coordinator under Ron Rivera, plus take a look at the state of the QB market ahead of Aaron Rodgers' big nap. Also, why are the Cardinals so boring?This week it's a special draft-focused edition of Moving the Line, featuring predictions for how the first round will shake out.Be sure rate, comment, and follow the pod for a new episode each week during the offseason.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

it's wednesday february 22nd i'm jeff schwartz alongside gabe goodwin this is jeff schwartz a smart new power by the varsity podcast network it's our first kind of show in the official off-season calendar we're gonna have shows every week at least maybe one show maybe two shows we're gonna talk football because guess what football never sleeps we also need your help guys please we're gonna do some mailbags this offseason we haven't done a lot of those please send in questions at jeff Schwartz on Twitter. DMs would be best for this. On Instagram is fine.

You want to leave comments on the show on iTunes. You want to send Gabe a tweet for whatever reason, be my guest, send him a tweet. But please send us questions. We'll run some mailbags this offseason. But there's so much to talk about because there's always NFL news, no matter what time of the year,

franchise tags and free agency and coaching moves and NFL draft. And just, there's always, always NFL topics. news no matter what time of the year franchise tags and for agency and coaching moves and nfl draft and just there's always always nfl topics gabe have you like come down from the nfl season a little bit it is odd it was the first weekend without like nfl action uh without football in a long time it was kind of nice i enjoyed not having to be around the TV so much. Yeah, okay. I found myself literally watching Water Boil on Sunday. It was 10 a.m. I'm on the West Coast, as some people probably know from listening.

It was 10 a.m. My kids, my in-laws are around. They were with the kids. And I had nothing to watch. And I had to boil some eggs. And then I just stood there watching them because I had nothing else going on XFL no XFL for you it's not part of the habit yet I was interested I saw some

interesting highlights come out of the XFL I'll probably give it a try this weekend but I yeah it wasn't it wasn't on my mind this past weekend the I think the NBA missed an opportunity here because they they have their all-star break right at this time where we're we want sports content and they're not playing games yeah like they they had an all-star game late sunday night no games monday no games tuesday no games wednesday come back thursday like i'm craving sports and we don't get any nba so i think nba kind of missed an opportunity here i know the the all-star the saturday night was fun with the slam dunk contest and Dame Lillard winning a three-point contest.

The All-Star game, I did not watch a second of that. I don't have an, I don't have a, this is not a take that I think is that like hot takey, but like All-Star games to me aren't as fun anymore to watch

because I can watch these guys play every night. Like it used to be an event where you had to watch because it was the only time all year you saw someone play from the other division or the other conference or one of the only times you saw someone dunk the ball or shoot a three-pointer.

It's not the same anymore. And these guys don't really care to be there anyway. So I don't know. I didn't watch any of it. I don't know. It looked fun. Some of the highlights looked cool. Saturday night was fun.

I watched the slam dunk contest. That looked a lot of fun. Yeah, Mack McClung. I don't know. It looked fun. Some of the highlights looked cool. Saturday night was fun. I watched the slam dunk contest. That looked a lot of fun. Yeah, Mac McClung. Mac McClung was signed for this, basically. He's never played in two games in the NBA, I think. One shot attempt. Was signed, I think, for this purpose. Yeah, well, he saved

the night and maybe the weekend. But like you said, the NFL really never stops, even when we don't have games to talk about. This week so far and last week has felt like a never-ending sort of spoon-feeding of such and such offensive coordinator interviewing here, hired there. Obviously, to the victor go the spoils. So a lot of the better teams from last year, to the victor go the spoils so a lot of the better teams from last year the the jobs go to those guys and yet again this wouldn't be the first part uh place anyone listening to this show heard it eric biennemi doesn't end up with a head coaching job and we've talked plenty about why that might be

in past off seasons jeff i know you know him and you know the team and his record but this year felt a little bit different because here he really obviously did a terrific job, even while under scrutiny, having been overlooked last year. He still gets overlooked, and he gets overlooked for head coaching jobs by the coordinators from the losing team. So I think Reggie Bush said it best. Of course, I'm burying the lead. Eric Biennemi ended up as the OC in Washingtonhington so not even a promotion uh a head scratcher for

most of us reggie bush says if i'm eric biennium i would stay in kc and just keep winning until a real head coaching opportunity comes up anything else is a waste of time these owners are funny and the picture is clear i don't know how you could say it any better than reggie did what do you think yeah well this is this is not even like a lateral move in my opinion it's it's almost a down move right you go from coaching Pat Mahomes and the Chiefs to coaching whoever the quarterback is in Washington Sam Howell whoever they draft on a team by the way that Ron Rivera might not make it the season. You might have a new owner. Like there's a lot of turmoil there in Washington right now.

And to me, it's a downer. Yeah, you get the assistant head coach job. Okay. And if Ron Rivera does get let go during the season, which I think there's so much respect for Ron Rivera, he probably doesn't even let go. If they play poorly during the season, you might be the head coach for six weeks, four weeks, two weeks, whatever it is. There's opportunity there. The thing that I just, it's, obviously, the NFL has a problem with hiring minority coaches for these opportunities. We talk about this all the time on this podcast.

There's plenty of places that have talked about this that have shown examples it's a problem gabe there's something beyond that with eric b enemy here and i don't know what it is like normally we get leaks all the time of like this is why this coach can't get hired he interviews poorly he said 15 interviews 16 head coaching like by the 16th one he can't interview properly? Like, really? Do we think someone who is, look, call the plays, doesn't call the plays, he's on a successful offense.

Like, he's the offensive coordinator. The players credit him for certain parts of the game plan. Eric Bambi found this play. He did this and that. Is he calling actual plays? No. Andy Reid does that. But that didn't stop Doug Peterson and Matt Nagy.

It didn't stop Nathaniel Hackett from getting a job in Denver. He didn't call the plays at Green Bay. There's something missing here. Yes, there are things in the early 90s that happened in Colorado. There's a DUI, I think, in 2001. But there's players that are playing that have past issues. Like, we give second chances to players. There's other coaches that have gotten second chances.

So there's something just missing. He wasn't even in the head coaching cycle at all. There's something missing here. And either no one's come forward with the reason why or we're just missing something here, Gabe, and it'll come out at some point. Or maybe he struggles so badly in Washington, it's like, well, see, that's why everyone's...

There's something missing there that maybe we'll find out, maybe we won't with his time in Washington, about why he can't get a hug. I don't think it's as simple as just the NFL has a minority hiring problem in this case. Yeah, I mean, it can't be that simple. I've heard speculation that the expectation is that Rivera might be out eventually and then the enemy gets the job that he couldn't ever ascend to in KC.

Yeah, but the converting from interim coach to head coach doesn't happen very often. Right. No, it doesn't. I guess if we want to try to look at what else could it be, let's go with something with Sean McCoy, who played in KC briefly and knows Eric Bien-Ami well and is now a talker at Fox. His take might be something worth exploring. I don't know.

Because maybe he has a bias from however he was treated or whatever his playing time was in KC. He says, I wish him well, but Washington, don't let the Chiefs' success or coaching titles fool y'all. The traits or skills you need to be a good coordinator, I haven't seen or witnessed it in speaking about Biennium. Now, you know, Shady's one guy who was only there briefly, who didn't have much of a role at the end of his career.

But it's worth noting that maybe he's speaking for other guys who played on the team. Sure. And remind you, he was also benched in Kansas City. No. His time did not end very well there. He's openly discussed. He didn't like Eric Bien-Ami.

The thing about it is we have many other players who have come out in defense of him, right? Tyreek Hill, Jamal Charles, Patrick Mahomes. I mean, again, the amount of players, just one player, one player has made a negative comment about him. That's Shady McCoy. That's it. Like, we can't find anyone.

And you know, Gabe, you know in this business, people cannot wait to talk shit behind your back. Yep. And we can't find anyone to tell you anything about Harry Bane. I've asked people, like, hey, what's the deal? He interviews poorly. Okay. I mean, sure. Okay.

Sure. Maybe he does. But again, by the 10th interview i would hope he interviews better um so i yeah i shady mccoy just sounds he always kind of is hitting on the chiefs uh whenever he gets the opportunity to and again he's it's one one word from mccoy and then there's like again many other chiefs that have have his yeah Yeah, including Jamal Charles, who you blocked for and have respect for. And obviously, look, like, you know, Bien-Ami's path kind of flows through being a running backs coach. And then people are always going to question his involvement in the passing game,

which, of course, is what makes the Chiefs so electric. So it's very easy to parse credit. You're right that there must be more. I doubt it's all that nefarious. But, Gabe, hold on a second, Gabe. But here's the deal, though, is that why does it matter who gets the credit for the offense? Because plenty of other coaches have been hired that the credit didn't go to them. Right?

Like this idea, again, of – and this is where I think this is the part about the minority hiring process, that there's more scrutiny given to a coach like Eric Bien-Ami than there is for a Nate Hackett, right? Where we say, well, Eric Bien-Ami didn't do this, this, and this, but Nate Hackett didn't call plays either. Oh, he's in charge of the red zone. Well, guess what? Eric Bien-Ami was in charge of other parts of the Chiefs. Again, play calling and building an offense is a collaborative effort, right? The primary designer has a concept for the week.

Someone helps with the red zone. Someone helps in third down. The offensive line coach has the run game. It's a collaborative process, right? So just because Eric Bamey didn't call plays or he's the running back coach doesn't mean he's not qualified to be head coach because plenty of other coaches, primarily white coaches, have gotten the opportunity to be head coach that have the same resume and less, honestly, than Eric Bien-Ami has.

That's the point we were trying to make about this, that J.D. is just kind of overlooking to bash Eric Bien-Ami. Yeah. One last point on this. I haven't heard this said, but probably others have. last point on this i haven't heard this said but probably others have you know the notion that he doesn't interview well is almost irrelevant because what that means is so he's not great at relating to an old white billionaire owner like if he's good at relating to you know the young guys on his team if they trust and respect, they like the way he talks to them, he builds bonds with them, it really shouldn't make any difference if he gets along well with the owner of the Texans or whoever, you know, like, it would be odd, actually, if he did speak

the same language with this, that guy. And that's where so perhaps some of the like, you know, unintentional bias comes in that people who are saying, I won't hire a person who looks like this or looks like that, they probably don't think that, but they aren't aware of their own bias when dealing with certain people. Correct. And look, we've had plenty of conversations

about this process and kind of where it's at and kind of it's starting from the beginning, right? Like we're hiring offensive coaches. There needs to be a pipeline of more, you know, black quarterback coaches, right? Black receiver coaches, black running back coaches. And we're seeing more of that. We're seeing more of that, right?

More minority coaches at younger ages. But look, D'Amico Ryans was hired. Like the reason why this specific hiring to me, this one would be the enemy, doesn't fall in. Like D'Amico Ryans was a coordinator Like, the reason why this specific hiring to me, this one with Bien-Ami doesn't fall under, like, D'Amico Ryans was a coordinator one year and got a job, right? Like, so to me, it's this specific example, Eric Bien-Ami, doesn't quite fall under that.

Now, I know what Shady is saying sort of does, but it just, it doesn't, there's something we're missing here because this is a downgrade to me. It's a downgrade. You're going from the Chiefs, stable organization, winning culture, Patrick Mahomes, no offense to Hank or Matt Ford. Like, it's the Commanders.

It's the Commanders. You're going downwards. Totally. So Steve Weiss, also been covering the league for years, his final take on this I think is a good way to end it, which is Eric Biennemi, who is going to be the commander's play caller, is about to check the final box of excuses as to why he isn't an NFL head coach. If he succeeds in Washington and doesn't get a head coach opportunity,

there won't be any more room for goalposts to be moved. That seems fair, right? Like, if Eric Biennemi does a good job in Washington and still does not get promoted past this current position, there's nothing left to explain. Well, then, I mean, then we're back to the original point. That's right.

That's what Nick Wright has talked about this week. He's been on this. That's the back to the original point. Then we have a big problem. But look, here's the thing, though. Is that like, what he's not going to, the chance for success, honestly, is not high.

No, it's not. It's really, if Sam Howell's quarterback is not high at all, sorry, like, that's part of the problem too. He didn't even go to a place that, in my opinion, set up for much success in the first place. So, it sucks for being success in the first place. So it sucks for B&M. I wish him the best. I hope he's able to win at a level where he can end up being a head coach.

He definitely deserves. He's put in the work, man. He deserves that opportunity. He's done what's been asked of him up until this point. It's been more, honestly, to get that job. I've always said I thought he'd be a great college head coach, just his personality. You know, college is about, it's a skill acquisition, basically, job,

first and foremost now, getting players. I mean, look at Dion, right? It's getting players to Colorado. Lincoln Riley getting players to USC. Dan Landon getting players. We're a Pac-12 podcast, by the way. Getting players, right? It's getting players out to the West Coast.

And I think Eric Biennium would be great at that. Now, Colorado didn't call him, I guess, and I get why they hired Deion, but like, I always thought that would be a great job for him

on the college side as well. So, I wish him the best. The Chiefs are going to move Matt Nagy up. They'll hire someone to be Pat Mahomes' quarterback coach.

And, Chiefs will be fine. I'm not worried about the Chiefs, but I hope the best for eric biennium and um it's a bummer he has to go kind of go through this process and it it just kind of stinks that like shady i don't know he's a i don't know if i'm allowed to talk about him and that those terms well he's allowed to say whatever he wants to say and i think we just have to point out he was there briefly and didn't play a lot. Yeah. It just feels like it's more coming from a place of, like,

anger about the way it ended there more than a place of, like, analysis about his ability to coach, you know, the commanders. Yeah. I worked for 10-plus years at ESPN, and then the final year that I was there, a few executives rubbed me the wrong way and uh and if you'd asked me right after that how I felt about them I would have said some stuff that now I'd be like I don't know like I was just doing his job he was fine

most other people liked him like maybe it was a me problem like I can say that now that that might be where Shady is on this who knows let? Let's transition to the story that probably won't go away all offseason. And maybe I can tie it in because there might be a little bit of an idea here in a second. But Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr are going to be the two quarterbacks that we're forced to talk about nonstop as we try to figure out which of them will become the quarterback that leads the Jets to a 9-8 season. And I'm being kind of a wise-ass because maybe it'll be some other team. But can we save time here? Like, does it matter where these guys end up?

Are either of them going to make any difference for any team that might actually go out and get them? Like, is this just one of those things we have to talk about all offseason because we want to talk about football? I've told you I'm going to try to refrain aaron rogers great on this podcast and i mean i i just don't care congratulations your wilderness retreat and whatever you're doing darkness retreat that actually has a light switch i think have we found out if he's done it yet has that happened i don't care got it yeah don't care. The thing about going to the Jets is good luck beating Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow and Josh Allen and Justin Herbert and Trevor Lawrence and Lamar Jackson and Tua and Mac Jones. And good luck, I guess.

Like, congrats going to the Jets. If I were him, I'd stay in Green Bay. You're the best quarterback in the conference if you stay in Green Bay. Yeah. And you go to the Jets, sure. But the thing about the Jets, like, and I know you're not a Jets fan, but you still are deep down in your soul, is Derek Carr provides you more stability.

He doesn't provide you with, I think, the upside of like, we can probably like sort of get close to the Super Bowl. Maybe if we kind of get things kind of break right for us. But Carr provides you six to eight years of quarterback play, right? Like you're getting one to two years of Rodgers, maybe one year

maybe two i don't know maybe next offseason he's like i don't know if i want to play anymore you're trading a first round pick for aaron rogers and the fourth round pick for him and you're paying 50 million dollars a year for him and now you got to work with the young wide receivers and figure that out with the young offensive line this is just a lot of i was on you know with craig carden last week as a jets fan, I was on, you know, with Craig Carden last week, he's a Jets fan. And he was saying like, give me Derek Carr. Derek Carr will give me

stability and he'll get, he'll get us in the playoffs and all I want is a Jets fan has to get in the playoffs. Like, I will take playoffs. They have the longest

playoff drought in the NFL right now. They have the second longest drought in all pro sports playoff drought. The Kings make the playoffs this year in basketball. The Jets don't have the longest in all pro sports. Playoff drought. The Kings make the playoffs this year in basketball.

The Jets don't have the longest in all pro sports. Mariners made it this year, so they're off that. He's like, just give me stability. It makes sense, right? If you're a Jets fan, you have the defense. You have some skilled players. Brees Hall's back. Your offensive line should be healthy.

You put Derek Carr in there, and you'll get stability. Now, you don't win a Super Bowl, but you'll get a wild card. I don't know. To your point, nine wins, ten wins, stability. But I think Carr is going to the Carolina Panthers or the New Orleans Saints, so you don't have to worry about that. Yeah, why the side? I was so much more Jets talk than I really intended to get us to.

I think he's going to the NFC South. If you're Derek Carr, come to the NFC South, man. You'd be the best quarterback in the division right away. And I think there's a connection between Frank Reich and Derek Carr kind of spiritually and religiously that will play a role in getting him to the Panthers. He's the best player. He's the best quarterback in this division right now.

Saints or Panthers. The Jets, again, it just lists all the FC quarterbacks. But, you know, he doesn't make – it's not when he's true with anybody. What about – Hank put this in here, and I think it's the rare great point by Hank Baker Mayfield might be better than both these guys those aren't his words I'm saying that but he reminded me we need to talk

about Baker Carr is better than both of them Carr and Roger are better than Mayfield I'm saying I don't know if i'm positive hank hank just said make sure we talk about this because there are saints rumors around baker yeah no mayfield's not better than than car i mean if your goal is to like be like relevant

and win something not just be adequate baker gives you a puncher's chance like derrick car like all right he's just trying trying to go a few rounds. No, Derek Carr is better than Baker Mayfield. Don't do this. You do this. You're the car hater on this show. I'm not the car hater. I'm the car doesn't matter.

I'm a bike guy. Carr is better than Baker Mayfield. Let the podcast, for the record, Carr is better than Baker Mayfield. Okay. Let the podcast record show. Yeah, i'm not sure i buy that let me throw this at you uh we talked about aaron rogers and i said i didn't want to have to keep doing this but here goes what about eric b enemy and aaron rogers together in washington with a couple decent weapons and a probably good defense division, pretty tough division,

hard place to win, but we're not trading him in, in the conference. You don't think so? No chance. But if they think he's washed, what does it matter? I don't think they think he's washed.

I think they're just tired of dealing with Aaron Rodgers. And they want to play. Would Aaron Rodgers want to play with Eric B. He doesn't have a choice because he doesn't have a new trade. So they can trade him wherever they want. Are there any other quarterbacks on this sort of in the conversation, free agent or otherwise, that we need to be talking about here? I'm thinking Daniel Jones and obviously Lamar. Lamar's the only one that would legit change the fortunes of a franchise.

Like if Atlanta got him or someone. So let's talk about him for a moment. Yeah. I think the Ravens ended up franchise tagging him at the minimum and then keeping him around. But it's very simple, right, with Lamar. Deshaun Watson got $230 million fully guaranteed in his contract. The NFL has said, screw you, Brown, screw you, Watson.

We're just not doing that deal. No one's getting that deal anymore. Since that time, Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray have gotten deals. They haven't got that deal. The reported deals for Jalen Hurts and Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow, none of them have said they're getting that much guaranteed money. The NFL is just saying, we're not giving that deal anymore. That deal was so ridiculous, we're just not doing it.

Lamar Jackson says, I want that deal still. The Ravens are like, yeah, we're not doing that. So that's what they're at right now. Lamar wants $230 million guaranteed. The Ravens are saying, no, we'll give you $130 guaranteed. Maybe they meet in the middles are saying no we'll give you 130 guaranteed maybe they meet in the middle game and say we'll give you 180 guaranteed um and we'll be happy but for the Ravens standpoint he's missed the last two seasons the last end of last two seasons they're like well we're giving you this much money but you've missed the last what seven games of the last two seasons? I get their point.

I get Lamar Jackson saying, look, the Browns gave Deshaun Watson. 30 women accused him of sexual misconduct. They gave him $230 million guaranteed. I'm a great guy. I'm an MVP. I'm beloved. I've done nothing wrong. I should get that money.

I get his point too. So there's a me in the middle point. If they can't me in the middle, they'll franchise tag him in my opinion. I don't think they'd trade him. I don't think they'd do. I think the franchise tag, you get two first round picks for a franchise tag.

Maybe if the Falcons give them two first, they move on and put this draft. I don't know. I don't know if you move on to, I mean, you have to be almost guaranteed to get Bryce Young to move on okay well there you go I got I got an easy one for you and I don't know exactly how the compensation for a guy under the tag exactly how that works in moving the picks but the Texans have two first round picks The Texans need a quarterback and a restart. The Texans have a coach who, you know, who knows? Maybe a young coach maybe can bond well with Lamar.

I'm not sure. Obviously, it would bring a lot of excitement back to a team that has been pretty irrelevant the last few years. Like, could that make sense? They've got the picks. Which team again? The Texans. Oh, geez.

Does Lamar have a no-trick win? I don't know if they will. I think there's almost like two ways to win in the NFL with quarterbacks, right? You have Patrick Mahomes. you pay him all this money, or you have a quarterback on a rookie contract. If you're the Texans, do you want, you're kind of starting from scratch, right? Do you want to pay Lamar all that money and build around him?

Or do you rather have Bryce Young, let's say Bryce Young, and do that instead, and then build a team around, and have all that extra money to build around? I'd rather do the Bryce Young thing. Yeah, that's probably right. Okay, then this is sort of a segue, because this is another quarterback

who isn't quite in the same, in play the way that most of the guys we just talked about are, but could be, and is definitely going to create his share of drama um so kyler murray we've spent a lot of time dumping on uh the old coach there and a little bit on kyler for his responsibility and how bad it's been but now they've got a new coach um and they're thinking about retooling the offense and they're thinking about asking kyler to do a few things differently and i just i don't really know what to make of what the cardinals will be with gannon uh and kyler and that relationship whether it's going to be

good or terrible it doesn't seem like it could be caught in between oh it's gonna be terrible um okay yeah no no one wanted this job in arizona and it you know in a league where we've seen a lot of coaches offensive coaches be hired to help you on quarterbacks we hired a defensive coach like um obviously who hires office corner important, but how many people, different people, have to say Kyler Murray is kind of tough to work with before he realized that he might not be the guy that everyone thinks he is, right? And I just don't know if like a hard-o defensive coach,

and it's the opposite. Again, you hire the opposite of what you always had. You have Cliff Kingsbury, this offensive dude, to this hard-o defensive guy in Gannon. High-energy guy. You've seen him in the press conference and meeting the players. And it's just Kyler Murray. They have a new GM that wants to trade, DeAndre Hopkins.

I have a new GM that wants to trade, DeAndre Hopkins. I have a take. It's a hard take to really pull off because of the salary cap, but I don't think he ever plays for Jonathan Gannon. He's hurt right now. The earliest

he could be back, they think it's like Thanksgiving. If they're like 2-12 12 is he coming back probably not i think his cap hits like 80 million dollars if they trade him in the offseason but like new gm new head coach they kind of want their own guy vegas yeah vegas right now we're seeing in vegas right now right with the get rid of Carr I could see them trying to move Kyler Murray after after the season

again the cap makes it tough it might have to be after 2024 but I don't think I don't think he's long for I don't think Kyler Murray's long for Arizona yeah can I just tell you something Jeff

yeah normally I got like takes for days and I got opinions that maybe i believe or maybe i just saw other people say and i want to get a rise out of you i don't have shit to say about this team this quarterback cardinals are so because the cardinals are just boring they are boring they're they're they're just sorry cardinals fans you're just kind of boring right now kyle murray's not rivet Murray is not like a riveting personality.

It's just a boring... It's boring. They're the fourth best team in the division. They don't have a healthy quarterback. The new coach is fine, whatever. Like, I just... I can't get excited about it. They're one star from last year.

Retired, their other one is going to get traded. Like, this just feels like burn burn the franchise down and start over again and this isn't the way to do it that you know there's a cool tweet hank putting our rundown here i'll read it off this is from anand nanduri um he says qb situations in the nfl it's it's going to be one of these five you either have patrick mahomes you have a guy on a rookie contract who can go toe-to-toe with 15, so a guy like Burrow, let's say. Having a guy on an expensive deal

that can go toe-to-toe with 15, so there's a few guys like that. Having a rookie you drafted and are developing, so maybe that's Jalen Hurts. Or the fifth option is you overpay for an average guy, and he says, get out of number five. Seems like almost the whole league is number five right now average guys were overpaid um yeah i mean the giants are gonna probably do this with daniel jones maybe um but you're just

in a very tough spot right like if you're the cardinals if you're the giants like what do you do do you just draft a new guy every four years i guess but then you run the risk of that not working and you look stupid like the goal obviously is to be competitive each season get be competitive get in the playoffs anything that can happen type of deal and you keep your job you make the playoffs every year so that's the hard part about like if the cardinals you know been right i i kind of called a baker mayfield thing where i thought he would decombust and he would be gone when everyone thought he like the colin murray thing like if i was the cardinals you could have made the case like you know just like don't pay him and draft someone

else in a couple years i feel like right yeah Because now they're in a bad spot right now. So how come people learned their lesson on this with running backs and the market seemed to sort of correct, and even the best guys like Saquon right now this offseason, the stance from most teams is like, yeah, sorry, we're not going to give you that much. Like, relax. You don't play a position where we want to pay like that that when are we going to get to the part where people see that

about quarterbacks too well when you have some of their own quarterbacks routinely being the best running back in the super bowl that's probably when you can do that right like that's i mean that's that's that's why right i mean yeah yeah when when you have a long history of success with late-round quarterbacks, then you'll start seeing that. But right now in the NFL, how many franchise quarterbacks are drafted after round two? We have Dak Prescott off the top of my head, Kirk Cousins. So we have two. How many others do we have drafted after the second round?

Well, Brock Purdy, I guess, if we're going to give him the job. No, Taylor Heineke's not franchise quarterback. Sorry, Hank. We're missing a couple, but none worth talking about. Yeah, but no, I don't think we're missing anyone else. That's the list. Yeah, I mean mean i don't want to sit here that wouldn't be much of a podcast just sit here no i know that i mean gino gino well gino was a first round pick second rounder yeah second round pick yeah uh tom tom brady's retired friend um we're not talking about

tom on this podcast anymore. Gabe, you happy? Yeah, I didn't bring him up. You're responding to Hank's texts. I don't know. Did you see the story that he has four Siamese cats that he has been helping out in the Tampa Bay animal shelters? Tom Brady has four Siamese cats? He has four cats.

He adopted two Siamese cats after the season. And he was quietly helping out at an animal shelter in Tampa Bay with his kids during the season at least once a week. I'm not going to comment

on that story. I don't know about that. Your boy, your guy is doing some good civil service. Look, man. There are dog people and there are cat people. I just...

Supposedly he has four cats now in his house in Miami. All right. Hey, God bless, dude. Good luck with the cats. Can we talk about some other stuff? I want to get into the draft and some more free agency stuff.

Can we do that in the over-under game we like to play? Let's do it. All right. Hey, we're back. We're going to move the line a little over little over under game try to preview the draft a little bit we'll probably have to do this a few times before we get to late april but right now a week after the season ends i want your quick feels on a few things here we go over under one and a half trades in the first five picks of the draft to recap recap for the audience, Chicago, Houston, Arizona, Indy,

Denver from Seattle. Or sorry, Seattle from Denver. I'm going to say we're going to have... Chicago, Houston, Arizona, Indy, Seattle. I think we're going to have two trades. Okay. Someone will trade for number one and someone will trade for to get the second quarterback at some point in the first five picks

I think that's a pretty good prediction then Chicago probably knows it right so they're just they're fielding calls every day from now but I could see I could see even like even Houston being trading no they want a quarterback but like it but like let's say they want Bryce Young and Bryce Young is gone at pick one I could see them trading out of pick two yeah right they could do what the Jets failed to do a couple of years ago like okay well the guy the only guy worth having isn't available at one number two pick is irrelevant to us if we need a quarterback we should just trade out of this but they they're the Jets, so they stayed with it. Okay, I like that prediction. Related then, over under two and a half quarterbacks taken in the top ten picks.

So we think there'll be two. Will there be three? Yeah, I think we'll be over. I think someone will probably reach on Will Levis. Okay, so my problem with Will Levis is his pizza takes suck. My problem with Will Levis is I don't think he's very good. I was talking to someone who evaluates players for a living at the Super Bowl. And he said to me, he goes,

he goes, I'm tired of people evaluating quarterbacks and saying they have a strong arm and are mobile. He goes, what does that even mean? He's like, those are the prerequisites. Like, that's the baseline for playing quarterback. They have a strong arm and are mobile. He goes, what does that even mean? He's like, those are the prerequisites. That's the baseline for playing quarterback. They have a strong arm and they're mobile. So I'm tired of people saying that about Will Levis. Like, where's the anticipation?

Where is reading a defense? Where's the touch on the throw? So he's like, strong arm and mobile, who cares? Everyone can do that. But I think someone will talk themselves into that. Okay, well, my problem with him, because I don't really know how quarterbacks do what they do, is he's from Connecticut, and he seems to think that pizza is best in that New Haven style with like 100,000 toppings. Supposedly, that's a thing, right? Connecticut, like-

It's all bullshit. Pizza? No. Connecticut pizza is nonsense. Just like Chicago and Detroit. Just get out of here with that well well well chicago is basically lasagna detroit has the is very good it's a square pizza it's not but it's not new york pizza it's looking it's different but it's still good but so connecticut is trying to be equated to new york pizza but then they just slop it up with a bunch of nonsense and the problem is you're you're a

quick train ride or a drive down 95 to a real pizza place. So there you have no, see you're in Detroit, man. I get it. You can't get to New York for pizza. You're in Connecticut. Get with the program. We'll let us just take, I'll, I'll be back. I'm going to go take the train for, for a slice. Oh, I'm sorry. What else is a 22-year-old kid doing? You know, if you're going to go out for pizza, go to the right place. That's all I'm saying. Fair enough. All right.

So three and a half quarterbacks in the top ten then? Somebody reaches for Levis. Is the kid from Florida going to get in there? No, I don't think Richon will go in the top ten, no. Okay. How many running backs taken in the first round overall? Under one and a half seems like it's always one or two guys these days it's it's just gonna be Bijan Robinson so just one oh look at

that you said the magic words for Hank Bijan where's he going yeah make a guess um oh no somewhere where uh some team that probably shouldn't take him. Okay. Very good take. Let's see here. Let me, I gotta look at the draft order. Well, maybe the Giants let Saquon go and then they take him. If they draft him,

they're dummies. I could see, okay. How about, I mean, yeah, I guess the Giants at 25, 25.

I thought what I said made sense. Yeah, it's not bad. We know that Alvin Kamara is going to be in some trouble. I'm not trying to make light of that. The Eagles at 30 aren't going to do it. I said made sense. Yeah, it's not bad. We know that Alvin Kamara is going to be in some trouble. I'm not trying to make light of that. I can see the Eagles at 30 aren't going to do it, I don't think. All right, how about this question? I know you hate talking about drafting running backs,

so I'll ask you this. Max Duggan or Stetson Bennett, will they be picked over under round five and a half? Where are they going to land? Either one of them. They'll be drafted after the fifth round. After the fifth. So sixth or seventh round picks.

Yeah. What are the chances that either of them see the field their rookie year? Oh, I mean, they could see it like a Brock Purdy situation, but not by skill. Okay. I mean, they could see it like a Brock Purdy situation, but not by skill. Okay. And will we, a year or two from now, act as dumbfounded by their success if they find themselves in a Brock Purdy type situation,

as we just did with Brock, who had a very nice college career? Well, I think if Stetson Bennett is good in the NFL, that should be like, well, okay, duh. He played well for a championship team. Max Duggan really had one great season. I think that would be more surprising to me than Setsa Bennett

being good. Okay. Just score me as wanting to take either of them in a late round. I'll bet on those guys. Okay. I like all these experts overthinking it and talking about all kinds of bullshit mechanics or whatever and going after some guy from some, you know, FBS school

because he looked good in skinny jeans. Like, you go ahead and good luck with that guy. I'll take the guys who just beat the shit out of everyone. Are skinny jeans still a thing? I don't know. You know what I'm getting at. I know, like, bell bottoms are back. Like, for women, they're back now.

Did you know that? I mean, I didn't. And this doesn't feel like the show for a bell bottom discussion. I just see the stuff my wife buys. So that means they're back because your wife bought a pair of bell bottoms? My wife is in with the fashion. In with the fashion. All right.

Mostly because she has someone who just goes like, she just goes to a store, and this woman just, like, hands her stuff to buy. Huh. I know all the names of all her shoppers. It's not good. Oh, boy. And I'm the guy who lives in L.A. I know.

Yeah. Yeah. It's not good when you walk into Neiman Marcus, and everyone's like, hey, good to see you again. Okay. Jeff's going to start renting out the studio here. He's going to have somebody living in that room there, Jeff. That keeps up.

All right. Who will have more guys taken in the first round, Ohio State or Georgia? I don't mean to pop quiz you here. I guess just gut feeling. Well, so Ohio State's going gonna have a left tackle and a wide receiver right at least um georgia will have jalen carter probably nolan smith maybe darnell washington i'll go georgia will have their left tackle go in the first round i'll say georgia georgia okay a lot of the mock drafts

have it the other way, oddly enough. Who from Ohio State besides the linemen, Stroud and... Oh, Stroud. I forgot. So Stroud, Paris Johnson, Smith and Jigba. And then for Georgia, it'd be Jalen Carter, Broderick Jones,

and that's it, I guess. Nolan Smith. I mean, DJ had Nolan Smith today going to the Chiefs. That's 3 that's it I guess Nolan Smith I mean DJ had Nolan Smith today going to the Chiefs that's 3-3 I guess you know what we stumbled into an interesting question we'll see how the hype train goes that's why I wanted to talk about this now because for the next month and a half

it's going to be nothing but narratives we're going to see a lot of the experts come out and suddenly guys we've never heard of are going to be no brainbrainer top 10 picks. So I want to know which of them it'll be. All right, over under one and a half Oregon players taken in the first round. Just one, Christian Gonzalez. Okay, and if we expand it to all of the Pac-12, do you think we get—

There'll be at least three. There'll be three. Christian Gonzalez, Addison, and Dalton Kincaid. There could be—Musgrave could be four. So those are the four that I would imagine could go in the first round. Does DTR get thrown into the camp that a lot of guys in a previous generation got thrown into and told, we're interested in you. We think you're a good football player.

You're not a quarterback. Think about changing position and we might pick you. No, no, a good football player. You're not a quarterback. Think about changing position and we might pick you. No, no, no. He won't get drafted as a quarterback. I just don't think he's good enough as an NFL quarterback. But he won't be asked to play other positions. So you think he's just going to the XFL or wherever else? Yeah.

XFL draft was today, by the way. Did you see? No. Imagine you get drafted by the XFL. They would tag the players in the drafted tweets and none of the players responded. They're trying to be drafted by the XFL. Like, I looked – they would tag the players in, like, the drafted tweets, and none of the players, like, responded. Because, you know, like, they're trying to be drafted by the NFL still. Yeah.

So, like, it's a risk to be drafted by the USFL before – and they play before the NFL season starts. So that's kind of interesting. Well, the XFL just started. The USFL will start right around draft time. Mid-April, yeah. So, like, these players, like, they draft a bunch of quarterbacks. Yeah.

And are they going to start playing the USFL and then maybe be drafted by the NFL or wait until the draft is over? It's kind of interesting. Yeah. All right. I don't want to just needlessly pile on this guy, but a lot of fun tweets about this. Nice fact here.

Paxton Lynch, who had a pretty good college career, but became that guy that I'm talking about. Like, out of nowhere, it was like, oh, man, everybody's hot on this guy. Who knows who his agent was? Because he was, like, tall, because he was, like, 6'6", or something. Whatever.

John Elway drafted him. He went from, like, not, why is the quarterback of memphis of things like everyone's competing to get him in the first round he has now uh been benched in the nfl the cfl the xfl and the usfl so you know listen he's accomplished more in his sport than almost anyone on earth good for him but it is sort of funny to be benched that many different times in that many different leagues it's not it's not great man it's not uh i don't think not not not what you not what you want to put in your resume and i guess it's

better than i guess than not playing football but you know what can i tell you if he has a personality if he goes blake bordles he could turn this into a thing one one quick brag i don't brag to my kids very often about my about my my uh my playing days because I they're my daughter wasn't even born yet and my son was too but the other day I had the XFL on and my son asked me about the XFL he's like who plays the XFL I'm talking to him about it he goes well why why didn't you play in the XFL I was like son I was too good to play in the XFL I was a legitimate starter in the NFL son and. And he was like, oh, okay, cool, whatever. Just like walked away from me.

Yeah. I got to, I got to, like for like four seconds I got to tell him I was actually good in the NFL. Yeah. It was kind of cool.

It's the first time I actually like probably bragged to him in eight and a half years that I, his dad was, you know, pretty good in the NFL

when he was healthy, of course, asterisks. But nonetheless, I haven't done that yet in my, in my, yeah. I brag about you all the time

jeff when my dad asks about uh hey i like listening to that show you do with the schwartz uh he's good he's smart i like him like he's a pretty good player man he you know he had a few good years there thanks so we have so we have four parents listening to the show basically your dad and my parents yeah like if we got a little Shabbat dinner going and we get the old end of the table, they'd all agree. Yeah, Jeff, he was pretty good. Good. We could have

a Passover. We'll get a Seder going. We'll have the young ones read the four questions. You can be the big son, Jeff. The big son. All right. Please, again, send us questions from mailbag. Anything.

Life, football. Maybe the weirder, the better. I don't care. Whatever you guys want to do. Yeah, we didn't hit any of our streaming shows this week. We don't need to now, but there's some good stuff to watch, and we finally have time to talk about it this offseason. What streaming show?

I watch a little bit of the golf show. The new golf full swing. What else is out there? The dramas. Snowfall. Snowfall's coming back. Last of Us. Your Honor is back.

Is that like a judge show? Yeah, the one with Cranston. It's good. I don't even know what these. Is that like a judge show? Yeah, the one with Cranston. It's good. I haven't watched any of these. I don't even know what these are. Oh, man. Yeah, it's a good show. I got to text you later because every time I'm done with radio night,

we spent like 15 minutes last night looking for something to watch and then just watched nothing and went to sleep. So we need to figure out some of these shows to watch. Okay. Well, let's do it in a future episode. It was nice hanging with you today, Jeff. Thanks for making me smarter. All right, guys. Have a great episode. It was nice hanging with you today, Jeff. Thanks for making me smarter.

All right, guys. Have a great week. We'll be back next week. Again, please send us some questions in for Mailbag. We'll get that to hum in a couple of weeks. Take care, everyone. Have a great week. Talk to you later.