Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - Did Brennan Sorsby Just Ruin College Football? And How To Stop Myles Garrett with Mitchell Schwartz

Episode Date: June 9, 2026

Geoff and Mitch are back to break down the court ruling that has rattled college football: Brennan Sorsby will be permitted to suit up this season even after the NCAA banned him for gambling on his own team in 2022. Also, the Schwartz bros share their thoughts on the Myles Garrett and AJ Brown trades and debate whether Russell Wilson deserves a spot in the Hall of Fame. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, welcome to the podcast. It's Tuesday, June 9th. I'm Jeff Schwartz back with Mitch Schwartz. We don't have a name for this to Mitch. We're going to come up with one. Fourth and Schwartz, maybe, Schwartz Brothers. I don't know. We'll find something before the start of the season,

but glad to have you back in here. Mitch, how you doing, buddy? I'm doing good. I'm glad we got your creative mind on that. You know, one of the best in the business to making sure we have a tip-top name. Oh, well, you had some good, some good ideas in the text there.

We'll settle with one here before the start I've seen so much you get into. There's a lot of NFL news with trades and retirements and roster decisions. And we'll get to all of that in a little bit here. But first, something that's not, you know, NFL-ish. It's adjacent to the NFL. But important talk about us we talk a lot on this show about sports wagering, something I'm passionate about.

It's something that I do for a job. It's something Matt and I have done for years on this show. I know, Mitch, your jobs are supposed to like pay well. I get paid decently for one of them. The other one, and then I lose all my money gambling. Well, who knows if it's actually in Port. Could I make a lot of money in those jobs or not? So Brendan Sortsby is a quarterback for Texas Tech.

He wasn't Indiana. He was Cincinnati. He's one of the better quarterbacks in college football. If there was, this store was not around him whatsoever, and he was draft eligible this draft. He probably would have been taking the top five. That wasn't like quarterback draft next year. Take away what's happening off the field.

Probably a first rep. A very good quarterback for Texas. Tech. About a couple of months ago, allegations come out that he is wagering on college football specifically, other sports as well, which he's allowed to do, but college football specifically, who's registered on college football, wall in Indiana, wager on his own team in Indiana, not playing, a wager on his own team in Indiana, and wager on some of his unders for quarterbacks in Indiana and for the team. And again, not playing in the games. He went to playing the games. He stopped waging on his own team. And then the NCAA said,

okay, well, you're not going to play. You have broken a rule. Black and white rule. You have broken this rule. You're not having to gamble on your team while you're playing for that team. It's a rule that makes a lot of logical sense. I will talk more about why that is in a few minutes. And they sued.

And the grounds of the lawsuit was that Brennan Sorsby, who did go to gambling addiction rehab, was that the NCAA did not consider his mental health is a mitigating factor in determining whether or not they should suspend him. The court agreed for now, given the injunction. He's going to play this season. He will be suspended against Abilene Christian and Oregon State

the first two games in the season. For the trial date, it's set for after the season. And Mitch, quite simply, this is a black and white rule that he broke. He admitted to breaking this rule. You cannot gamble on the sport you play in, right? But also more importantly, the team that you play on. He admitted he did this. And if we don't have, you know, the rule of law,

and really society, which seems to be going away by the day. But there's a very specific case of basically the integrity of the sport. I don't know how the sport operates in the same manner. It always has. And just like on a personal level, man, imagine that you've played a game, okay, and you're sitting in your locker, you've lost that game, and you lost money on that game. Like, that would be the worst feeling of all time.

This is opening up the door for players to gamble on their own team. It's also opening the door. Unfortunately, I think for people, in the sport to use mental health, you know, is an excuse for bad behavior, which it can certainly be an excuse for some things that happen in life. But in this situation, it feels like they're using this as a way to say, hey, we broke the rules. We know we broke the rules.

But hey, man, consider that maybe he had an addiction. It's very simple. We know the rules. Do not bet on your team. It's very simple, Mitch. Do not bet on your team. He did it and he gets to play this season. I don't think this ruling is just.

I don't think this ruling is going to help college football out. I think that's the wrong ruling, Mitch. Yeah, this is, like you said, a rule that's just been in place for forever. I mean, you go back to the, what is the Black Sox scandal in like the 19 teens, like betting on your sport, betting on your team, Pete Rose, obviously everyone knows that story. Like, that's just always been the thing that's not allowed. So this one doesn't make sense from a lot of fronts. Probably the funniest thing that happened on social media yesterday was everyone agreeing

that this is the first time in probably history that everyone is on the NCAA side. It is like steadfastly so, but yeah, it just, it doesn't make a ton of sense because if you go down the mental health path, is it that he was not in the right frame or mind while he was betting to have known better and that we can absolve him of those sins or and is it that if he wasn't on the team this year, he would be so crushed mentally that like they think he would spiral down a wrong path. But like to me, either of those are not a valid reason to do this. like you broke the rule. It was clear cut. There might have been extenuating circumstances. There might have been some mental health stuff. But like, that's still the rule.

So it's just, yeah, I don't get it. It's also weird to be betting on like props and kind of unders and all that stuff on your own team. If it's, so there's one specific argument, which is if you only bet on your team to win, theoretically, why is that an issue? Because you're betting on the incentive that you're already, you know, out to chase. I think you could, you know, go down the argument that what happens when you don't bet on your team to win?

Correct. What happens when, you know, you make these other bets, like, are people alerted? Like, I mean, I guess in this age, you would know better than me, but like, if Sorsby was betting for Texas Tech every single week and then all of a sudden one week didn't bet on himself, would people know, would gamblers know? Like, I don't know how that works. Well, the sports books would know because they track your wages. I mean, that's how he got caught.

Like, so they would know if in week nine, all of a sudden, you're playing some team and he's like he doesn't bet on Texas Tech in that game. Now would they tell anyone, probably not, but they would know that. Yeah, I'd absolutely know that. Yeah, so then that's like, that's, right, and validates the idea that, like, it's only a positive if you're betting on your team.

And that is the one specific argument that you could make to say, well, it's not a big deal. But he went so far beyond this, you know, betting on other things for his team. I mean, all the other wagering. I think, what was it, 9,000 different bets or at least something like that. It was a problem, obviously. But it also seemed like, I mean,

Again, you would know more than me. It didn't seem like the dollar amount was crazy. No, it wasn't. It sounds a lot. Like, $90,000 sounds a lot. But you can deposit $10,000 to an account and bet $90,000 or never take any money in and out of that account, right? Like that's- Right.

So that, that to me points towards not necessarily a mental health issue. Like, he had the wherewithal and the control to, like, have fun with it in his world and not bet too much, not get out of control. Like, if you go down a bad gambling path, like, you lose your life. You lose your money. You start, you know, having a lot. all these issues because of it, you lose your family. He just seemed like he was addicted to the idea of

making these tiny bets, but he still had control over the situation. And the other side of it that I don't really understand is if you're arguing that he's going to have, what was it, irreparable harm if, you know, this thing is upheld and he's not able to play college football this year. Well, the outcome is he goes to the NFL. He's not going to not land on a roster. Like, there's no irrefutable harm to land on an NFL roster

to have been a once first round pick and the supplemental draft, who knows where he would have gone. Everyone's agents are going to tell these guys they're going to go first round. But you're probably going to land in a little bit better situation than you would have landed if you were a true top five pick and going to like one of the actual five worst teams. But being a supplemental pick allows, you know, not the Rams. I'm sure we'll get to the Rams later with the trade, but like that would have been perfect for the Rams to like throw a second or third round flyer on him or another team that has a

quarterback that they're looking, the Eagles, like throw a flyer on the guy. You might be able to get into a much better situation by being a supplemental draft pick than you would have being a top five overall pick. So that's where I don't understand what the harm for this year would be if he's not allowed to play because he just goes to the NFL. Like, yeah, it's not a top five contract. You're not making $40 million right out of the gates, but you're still on an NFL roster and you're still a highly regarded prospect.

And the NFL, for all their faults, if you can sling the ball, you're going to find yourself on a team. Yeah, so you mentioned something, Mitch, that I want to bring up and expand on more. You mentioned, like, what's the harm in betting on yourself to win? And you mentioned, you know, one of the reasons why I think you shouldn't do it, right? It's because the game you don't bet on your team than what happens, right? People might know that you have instant information. But a couple other things.

You know, if you bet on your team to win and it affords a lot of money, I don't know, you know, again, it could be $5,000, $5,000, right? Let's say it's a lot of money. Would you do unnatural things to win the game? If you're a wide receiver, would you stick the ball out over the goal line trying to score on first down when your coach tell you not to do it? And you fumble the ball at the back of the end zone because you're trying to win the game, right? I'm not sure that's the best position group to ask that question about. Correct. But like, you know, would you?

But is the quarterback going to force the ball late in the game because he feels like he has to. Correct. To win the game. Yeah. Are you going to try to injure players? You've been a situation where I've seen guys try to injure guys without anything on the line other than winning and losing. Guys twisting ankles, right, twisting knee. you know, look, I didn't play the game to hurt anyone.

I know you didn't play the game to hurt anyone. There were opportunities I'm sure we both had to hit a guy in the back of the head on the way down, right? Like just give him an elbow the back of the head. Like, there's plenty of ways to hurt guys that I chose not to do that you didn't choose to do. You know, oh, you trip and you hit someone the leg by accident. Like, imagine you put 10 grand in the game. You might want to do that, right? That to me is a problem, right?

And the worst thing about this, right, is that it opened the door a little bit to fixing games. Okay? Let's say you get down big and need some extra cash now. Do you turn to a third party for the extra cash, right? Is that third party, hey man, if you throw this interception, if you do this and that, I'll give you the $10,000, $15,000 to make it up, it opens the door. And I think that it's so important that we watch football and sports, knowing that the players are playing to win the football game or win the basketball game, right?

There's nothing else happening. And if you open that door a little bit, that's what we start worrying about the integrity of the sport. And obviously the NFL cares a lot about that. I've talked about us many times. They punish guys harsher for gambling on football than hitting women, right? And that's wrong. But the reason they do that is because gambling on football ruins the integrity of the game.

Or the other thing, ruins the integrity of the person, obviously. But I don't know if it should ruin the integrity of the game, but they don't feel like it does, right? That's why they punish six games for one thing, entire season for another thing. And so now when I watch Texas Xx play, I don't think he's ever thrown a game, Mitch. I don't think he is. I don't think he's going to. But people are going to say this now. he plays, every time he fumbles, every time he's this and that, it opens the door to

discussion about whether these games are being manipulated by players on the take. I don't think it's happening. I'm not accusing him of doing that, none whatsoever. But people will start thinking things like this. I think that is why it's so important that you can't even even open the door to allowing players to bet on the games they're playing in. Well, the other thing is gambling responsibly is incredibly difficult and challenging. So if you do open the door to allow people to gamble kind of in any man,

there's a very high chance that's going to escalate and there's a much higher chance that's going to escalate when you're 18 to 22 years old and there's an even higher chance that's going to escalate when you just got money for the first time in your life and you feel invincible and you feel like you're just going to keep getting, you know, however many tens or hundreds of thousands as this top recruit. So again, you talked about this opening the door thing. Like you're just opening it to so many negative outcomes that just logically it just doesn't make sense to do it. Like just no, that's as we started with, that's the rule. that's the way it's been.

There's not a positive to allowing this to happen. And it's just, it's baffling that they've kind of gone down this route to allow this to happen when, again, this is like the one cardinal rule in all of sports. Like, you don't bet on your sport, you don't bet on your team,

good or bad. Like, end of discussion. I didn't, we've done like 15 minutes on this. We shouldn't even had to. But like, that's,

that's the rule, man. It's just, it's just, it's just, I don't get it. It's, I mean,

I'm kind of speechist right now. I don't know what else to say. It just doesn't make any sense. And then Texas Tech like playing like the victim like, oh, like we're the victim in this and then AAA, this and that. This is why we need a CBA and all those things. Look, the CBA would be great. It's never going to happen.

This bill that they have in Congress, it ain't never going to happen. You're not, it's the, you know, this bill, part of the bill that they want is they want to cap wages, right? They want to cap, you know, what you can make in NIL money. And I don't know any other industry, Mitch, that has the government capping the potential earning wages, right? of a non-government job, you know, of course,

the government could set that cap on what you make as a government worker. A private company, they're going to set the earning way, they're going to set the wages for a private individual. It's just not going to happen. This is not a way to fix this. The way to fix this is just to force the rules at hand, which is that you can't gamble on the sport you're playing.

No one saying you can't gamble on baseball. No one's saying you can't gamble on basketball. Just don't gamble in sport. You plan, lastly, on this one, too. I think a lot of this is now just posturing where there's reports yesterday that, the teams are going to not schedule Texas Tech in any sport and non-conference slate. I think that's that's that's absurd.

That's not going to happen. Nothing's going to happen because of this. The Big Ten's not going to, you know, oh, we're not scheduling Texas Tech in softball. We're not scheduling basketball. It's just not going to happen. It's a lot of big words I feel like Mitch for something that's never going to happen. Well, isn't he also new to the team? Like he was doing the stuff at Indiana.

So it's like. Yeah, so he was gambling at Texas Tech. He was sending money out of state because it's not legal sports wagering state. And he wasn't gambling on football while at Texas Tech. But he was gambling. He was sending money to people to gamble for him. So that was happening while he was at Texas Tech. The gambling on actual football.

But Texas Tech only knew this when they signed it. Like this was a no, the investigation was known, I believe. I'm just saying for the argument that like the whole school is tainted and you can't play softball against them or whatever. Like, that's just wild. I mean, I don't know. Does he have Shohei's interpreter's number? Was he funneling money through him?

I love that story just like died. Like, you know, that one, there's no chance that the story changed in 24 hours. There's just no way that like the end result is as clean as they wanted it to be. Like, I just, show hey speaks English number one. Yes. So he understands everything that. was being said. And number two, the story came out. And it was like, Shohei was gambling. And then the next day it was, oh, I didn't know any of this, my interpreter. And I understand a guy of that

wealth, like, not looking at his bank accounts and not realizing that like 15 million's gone. If he's getting as much endorsement money from, you know, Japan especially as we think he is. But like, that, that, we're going to need a 30 for 30 in about 10 or 15 years because there's just, there's no chance that this is all interpreter and the story changed. But we don't have to go on down that path right now. Well, my favorite part about that whole story, by the way, is that they claim Otani knew nothing about this whatsoever. Buddy, if you're gambling on late-night Mountain West football

in a hotel room with Otani, Otani knows you're gambling on Fresno State, Colorado State. There's just no way you're like, hey, hey, can have the remote, please? I want to put on, you know, Fox Sports Southwest to watch Fresno State, Colorado State, and Petros on the call, you know, like late night. And he's like, why? No reason, no reason whatsoever.

Of course, Otani knew whether he was gambling on it. I don't know, but I just don't believe that he didn't know anything to do with that. So Texas Tech gets their quarterback for most of the season. The trial date is set for after the season is over. So they'll have him in there. They're a title contender. They're going to win the big 12. Sorsby's not going to win the Heisman.

Do not bet on the Heisman. They're not going to vote for him no matter how well he plays. Just telling you right now, not going to happen. You're telling him to not bet on himself for the Heisman? I'm telling him not to bet himself for the Heisman. you're going to lose money there, buddy. So just real quick, is there any legal stuff between now and the end of the season or like this is the ruling and he's playing this year end of discussion?

They're going to appeal this and they have appealed this. I guess at some point there could be an expedited appeal and the new court of appeals or whoever the next step is here. agrees with NTA and then now he can't play and then they go to another court I mean they're going to appeal all the way up to the state

Supreme Court I would imagine I think it's a state case not a federal case so they can't call all the way Supreme Court here but those can keep going up and up and up and so if the next judge agrees with with N2A on appeal

then yeah he could be suspended immediately and then they'd try to get another injunction your favorite Jiffs Snip snap, snap, snip, snip, snip, snip. Yeah, they could. They could absolutely do that. But again, I don't, I don't know, man.

I don't think it's going to. The NCAA has lost every single case. They brought to court for four years now. I don't know why they would win this one, even though, again, he broke up a black and white rule here. And if the NCAA wasn't dead after this, before this, it's dead after this. All right, Mitch, let's take a break here

and get back to some NFL. We'll talk some Miles Garrett. We'll talk some Rams. Let's talk some player retirement. We'll do that next year. I'll be right back. All right, Mitch, we're back here. NFL news and notes.

This is why I wanted you on today. What I want to do this show with you was the Miles Garrett trade here. Miles Garrett traded to the Rams. The Rams pick up Jared verse, a first, a second, a third round pick for Miles Garrett. And quite simply, Mitch, why are teams not as aggressive as the Rams? I don't understand. The Rams keep making these trades. They keep building their roster.

They got, they entered the offseason with two positions of need, right? Pass rusher. cornerback. All pro, all pro, and they got Watson in Frangency as well for cornerback. It makes more sense why they drafted Ty Simpson now, by the way. I have to think that they knew this was coming at some point and they drafted the quarterback of the future. I don't think he's a quarterback in the future, but it makes sense now because they might not have a first round pick next year that's any good if they win the Super Bowl. Now it's gone anyways. It doesn't even matter.

Mitch, why don't teams do more of this? Like, what's the fear? The Rams have, they keep doing it. We keep hearing about the bill come due for the Rams. I don't know. Maybe eventually it does, but hasn't hurt them yet. I love the Rams aggressive than Mitch. I love these trades, man. Great trade for the Rams. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to be upset that a team is wanting to be better

and goes and acquires great players to be better. I do think there's two different versions of this type of trade. There's the type of version that, you know, like Houston did with Laramie Tundzi, Laramie Tunzel, where they trade for the guy and they send a, bunch of draft capital. I think it was two first. And then they have to give him a market setting contract. I think the Rams did that with Jalen Ramsey too potentially. That one's a little bit different. Trent McDuffie is another example, like trade for the guy, give him a market setting contract.

In this case, they trade for the guy and he's like way under market based on how much money he has left. He's making what, like 35 a year, 36 a year. And they restructured his contract, moved some money around a little bit. But he's still like vastly underpaid when defensive ends. I think Will Anderson's at 50 now. 50, yeah. So Miles is, you know, 10, 15% better than the next best guy as good as Will Anderson is. And he's going to be making 80% of the money, 75% of the money, whatever that math is. So that's a case where you look at the draft capital sent and you're like, man, that's a lot. You know, Jared Versus, who's an all pro and he's young.

Now they're going to have to pay him soon enough. A first rounder this year, second rounder, next year, third rounder the year after. And all combined, that's a lot of draft capital. But when you get a guy who's somewhat cost controlled and then agrees to this restructure contract and you know you have Miles Garrett for whatever, 38 million for the next two years at the minimum, that's insane. That's such a good deal. And you're getting the best defensive guy in football. So I love that. I think the Colts did a similar version with Sauce where Sauce had kind of an undermarket contract and then they traded for the post signing bonus version of that. So he's like an extremely cheap deal for a corner. So you look at two ones and you're going to. you're like, man, that's kind of a lot to give up for a single corner. But you're giving up two ones for a cost-controlled second contract corner. So I look at those a little bit differently. But the general idea of just like going for it and acquiring great players, like yeah, that's what you want to do. Like the draft picks are, everyone says it's a lottery, it's a crap shoot, all that.

Like, it's true. That's what the numbers bear out. You know, 50-50 chance. The 29th pick that the RAM sent into the chiefs, you know, was something like, I don't know, under 50% chance of being a quality starter when you get that late in the first round. I think they're just afraid of this is a lot of draft capital. I'm not going to have it in future years. I think everyone's in love with the idea of the cost-controlled rookie contracts and how cheap guys are. But it's just, it's such a risk.

And when you can get literally the best player on the defensive side in football or one of the best players in football period, I think you kind of throw that stuff out. I would love to see more teams go for it. we kind of had this run a few years ago where teams started trading for kind of bust E type former first second round guys or some later career guys for like fifth round picks. And that was like kind of fun that teams were starting to, you know, move on from first round picks earlier. And other teams were looking to acquire them and trading a little bit of draft capital for it.

But yeah, we we get some, you know, blockbuster trades. You just don't really ever see this level of trade. And I don't know. maybe Jacksonville is going to, you know, stop over-drafting on the draft, and maybe their next thing is going to be trading for Jared Verse or something of the like. But this was, it's really cool to see. I just, again, teams going for it and just saying kind of screw it. And it's not even like a going against the grain kind of thing.

It's just cool that like the Rams said, we want to win football games. Yeah. We're going to go get the best guy that can make us win football games. And they solve the problem. So a couple things here. Oh, also real quick. Yeah. Miles Garrett on turf?

Oh, my God. I was going to ask you about, so I'm glad you mentioned it. So let's just talk Miles Garrett. How does someone block Miles Garrett? What's funny, we have two commanders, producers, by the way, and they were texting me about this the other day, at least Matt, was that Lammy Tunsell seems to do very well against Miles Garrett relative to other guys.

And you did mention the Tunsel, like, what is it about Tunsell that he does well against Miles Garrett, where other guys, Like, Trent Williams, I know why he struggles against Miles Garrett, but like, what is it about blocking Miles Garrett that works and doesn't work? Well, Tunsell leaves a little early and, you know, he can get to a spot really well. Yes. I think the biggest thing with Tunsell is he gets to a spot, he stays square, and he's like crazy strong.

And he combines, he's probably the only guy in the NFL that combines different styles of pass setting. He can combine like a vertical pass set and staying square with gaining width. which most guys can't do. He also combines, you know, snap count get off so he can get deep enough to do it. And then despite his frame being like kind of a smaller frame for left tackle, you know, especially kind of lower half, he's just really strong. So his ability to eat bulrushes, no, to be fair, he like gets to his spot. So it's not like he's off balance when he's, you know, you can't be off balance and

eat a miles Garrett Bullrush. But he can get to a spot, be mostly square, be deep enough, and also have enough width so that he can sit on the bulrush and not get to the, the quarterback. That combination of those four things, there's one guy that can do it. It's Larry Me Tunsell. He's the only one that can set like that. There's some other guys that do things similar. Like Trent, if he sets deeper, it's kind of fun to watch Trent against like Michael Parsons or Miles Garrett. His pass set explosiveness like ramps so high up. You can tell how in neutral he is most games. And then he finally faces like guys that actually can threaten him. And all of a sudden

he's like, boom, boom, boom. There's an uptick and speed for him. But I think, the last thing is like Tunsell has a don't give a shit to him too that he obviously cares about what he does like he you know you're not going to be that good as an offense lineman if you just strictly don't care at all but I think he kind of has the ability to just be like oh well like you know the guy beat me where I think other people are like afraid of miles or afraid of losing where Tunsell has that ability just kind of shut that off and just be like I'm going to do me if I give up a sack I give up a sack if I give a pressure it's all good like I'm going to do my thing yeah um so he's just got this like super combination of all these things. But, yeah, other tackles, the thing with Miles is, like, you kind of have to choose which poison. If you try to get on him quick, he's got that, like, teleport inside move. Yeah.

Which is, I guess, not dissimilar from what Jordan Gross used to tell you about John Abram, the teleport bulrush, but Miles has, like, the teleport inside. That's unbelievable. That's the one that always gets straight away up, because he sets a little aggressive sometimes. That's the one he always gets beat on the inside. Right. So, like, for guys that choose, I'm worried about the corner.

and Miles's ability to get to eight yards, put a shoulder on the ground and get around the corner. If you set too deep for that, you're opening up bull rush and or inside move. If you think, like, well, he's so strong. He's, you know, 6-5-280, he runs a 1.0 split, whatever it is. I need to get on him. I might got to stop his momentum before you get started,

and you're either too flat or too aggressive. That opens up short corner or inside move. So there's a lot of, like, again, getting back to tonsill, like, how do you beat Miles? Like, you beat them to the spot and you stay square and you're strong enough to defeat a bull rush. And you're, you know, you're, I don't know, it's just like, there's just so many factors that most guys, you pick the one thing to take away that's like their best thing. You go against Vaughn Miller. It's the getoff, right?

Yeah. As good as his spin move is, he only spins one, two times a game. Like, he uses that as a counter move, a true counter move, like not very often. So when you're charting guys, you look at what do they do most often? what did they have the most success with, what's like their go-to on third and long. You look at all those things and you kind of choose like a game plan built around that.

And with Miles, like, you can't choose one of those things. He's elite at all those things. So there's not like, I'm going to take away this one thing and make him beat me with like his second, third, fourth best options. It's just all of them are great options for him.

So what do you do? So you mentioned the turf. Can you quickly explain like why? that is harder for us as offensive alignment. I mean, quite simply, it's just the get-off is going to be even better. Well, it's get-off, and it's the ability to grab into the turf and to push. So there's a slight uptick in get-off, especially, you know, defensive ends kind of being in a sprinter stance going forward versus us going backwards.

Like, that's going to be more of a benefit to them. That's why guys like running 40s on turf. You don't see guys pining to run 40s on natural grass. you run it on turf because the service is better, it's faster, it's tighter, and at the contact point, if you're bullrushing and you're putting all that force into the ground, again, you're getting better traction, you're getting better push forward. So you're going to be slightly quicker off the ball and you're going to have more force behind you on contact because you're able to use the ground better.

This actually gets into a little bit of the Achilles discussion and why guys are not willing to risk slip up. a little bit on turf at the expense of like their ankles and Achilles because that give the natural grass gives you that ability to slip. You know, you see all these guys with the Achilles injuries and it's, you know, the foot is back and they're trying to explode out of a stance or something like that. And a lot of those cases, you don't see that type of thing on grass as much because if it comes to the fact where, you know, the ankle or the foot isn't stable enough, usually on grass you'll just slip out of it. Like your foot will have somewhere to go.

where it doesn't have to deflect all the momentum back into your Achilles. But on turf, everyone likes the grab. No one wants to slip. And so I would argue that we probably use cleats these days that are too grabby and too sticky in the turf. And it's a detriment to lower body injuries. But that is the reason that turf is faster. And that is the reason the defensive ends have a little bit of an uptick in ability. I mean, I went from Joey Bosa.

We played them on grass twice a year, Arrowhead. and, you know, the old San Diego Stadium. And that first year I played him on turf. I don't know. I mean, I was at the end of my career. It was my last year. I might have just been, you know, not very good anymore. I was like, oh, my God, he is so much stronger.

Like, just his ability to get off and to use the ground to, you know, for power. I don't think it's nothing. I think there is, like, actually something to it. Interesting, the Achilles stuff that you mentioned is interesting because you see that. It's that one mechanism, right, where guys tend to. to blow out their Achilles and it is that loading part and on grass you're right that that is not quite as intense I hated playing on turf.

I mean it is what it is. I wish we would. It's funny Mitch they're doing the World Cup right now in NFL stadiums and so if I has grass for the World Cup, ATT has grass for the World Cup. Everyone has grass for the World Cup. We can't get grass for NFL games. Kind of frustrating.

But it is what it is. I wish that we were able to do that. But this big trade for the Rams here, from the quickly the Browns perspective, I liked it, man. You're just like, you're just not going to, you're not winning with him now. Just get some draft picks and move on. I mean, I think it makes total sense for them to get rid of Miles Garrett here.

What do you think about the Brown's perspective here? Well, I think so. I think the guaranteeing of Jared Verst coming back to, I mean, getting a player that's whatever percentage you want to put 80, 90, 92 percent of Miles, who's young, who's ascending. Like, again, they're going to have to pay them 55 million in a year. But you're getting draft capital. Everyone keeps talking about this 27 class, all the quarterback. being able to get a little bit with draft capital

when you're likely going to need it to draft a quarterback. So yeah, I mean, I like it from both sides. This is one of the rare ones. I think both sides kind of come out. I don't know if a head from Cleveland's perspective, you don't want to trade Miles Garrett, but they get a great player,

they get draft capital throughout the years. They have the ability to potentially use that capital in this historic upcoming quarterback class or this class in general. But if, I don't know, I'm not going to say Shadour's going to pan out, but like if Shadur pans out or something, and then all of a sudden you have two picks in this draft and all the other positions are stacked too.

Yeah, you can get some really elite guys. So, yeah, as win-win, I think for trading studs and draft picks, as we'll see across the NFL. Yeah, that should be a good draft. A.J. Brown trade goes from Philly to New England. Mitch, look, I didn't change my opinion about either of the teams. The only thing I just seem to think of. I don't love the way he went out.

Like, if you're not happy in Philly winning championships, where are you going to be happy in New England? I just, if he's not happy, they're, and you get wide receivers, their divas, they are what they are. It's nothing wrong with that. That's the position. It's a very me position, right? It's one-on-one versus a cornerback.

Like, I get it. It's a me position. But, man, if you're not happy in Philly and I get, you might not be friends with everyone. I wasn't friends with everyone on the team, but I was pretty friendly with my quarterback. He sort of have to be him admitting that like, yeah,

it just wasn't really friendly with Jalen Hertz over the years. Not great. I just didn't love the post-trade discussion that Brown had with. I don't forget what podcast he was even on. It does worry me a little bit, him going to New England. And what happens if you're going to get the ball in the first eight weeks of season? He's going to have the same attitude in New England as well. So I think both teams win in this trade, Mitch.

What are your thoughts on AJ Brown leaving the Eagles? Yeah, I mean, he's also getting to the age where receivers don't really get better. I mean, Devonte's been doing it at a pretty good rate for a while. And there are other guys who kind of get to like 29 and still produce for a few years. But to your point, I mean, there's like that happiness factor. Kind of feels Kevin Durantish. Like, you know, if you're just, if you're not happy in multiple spots and you want to move on, like, are you ever going to be happy?

Now, he's not like late career, Durant. I mean, Durant, you know, the first few times would be somewhere for a few years before he wanted to move on. But I don't know. I mean, there's always kind of that, you know, early period where the guy's excited and he's in a better situation. And apparently he and Ravel are super tight. And, you know, maybe Rayble is able to keep him in better spirits. Maybe they should give him the green dot and they should just like recite passages from that book. And he can give the quarterback, hey, 63.

And then the other, you know, 25 seconds on the play clock, they're just, just reciting motivational quotes in his thing to keep him happy. It's such an odd thing that became normalized that he was reading a book on the sidelines. Yeah. Like, that's weird. I don't know how it has to put it. Like, it became like a normal. Look, they won the Super Bowl, so it's all fun in games if you win.

But like, that's still an odd thing to, like, have to read a motivational book in the middle of a game. Like, there's stuff we're doing on the sidelines in between drives that didn't matter. Especially like that kind of book. Like it's one thing, I mean, I don't know what book you could read that would be okay. But like reading a book that just says, I'm miserable and I need to like find inner peace on the sidelines. It's just, it's freaking wild, man. So I don't know. I mean, at his best, he's one of the better receivers in football.

He's big. He's physical. He can create separation. He can, you know, catch the ball through contact. You know, I know there's, he said something to the fact that like Jalen wouldn't throw him the ball and contestant catches. I mean, Jalen doesn't really throw the ball over the middle very off. So if you got a guy that's kind of like a slant guy or able to, you know, run those short posts and he's no longer able to get those balls thrown. Like I understand being frustrated at the system, the quarterback, like all those things.

But I just don't know the people that get frustrated despite team and personal success, even if it's not like the level that you wanted. I don't know those people are ever like truly satisfied down the road. So I think that's just maybe the worrying thing. But from New England's perspective, are you banking on five years of him? or is it's just like, let's get two good years out of him, and then we got to pay Drake May, and he's going to be more established, and then we can downgrade it receiver or whatever.

So there's also, I mean, the part of me that watches Eagles games, he just didn't look quite as explosive. And he didn't look as athletic as when he was younger. And I don't know that that's going to come back with him being happier. Now, maybe because he's going to try harder, but, like, I just thought physically he was starting to decline a little bit, and he's so big and physical that if you start to lose that, explosiveness just a little, you know, you kind of wonder about what that guy becomes, you know,

from a true receiving perspective. It's a good point. I'm actually curious about that. Obviously, this offense, I'm sure he'll get targeted to the ball, but you got Dobbs there now, right? You got booted. Like, you've got good wide receivers. I'm not sure he's going to just force the ball to AJ Brown.

They needed a guy like AJ Brown, obviously, for that offense. But I'm curious to see how this one goes. Mitch, let's take one last break. Come back and talk. Russell Wilson, Hall of Fame Candency. I'm sure we'll have strong opinions on this. We'll be back in a second. All right, back here.

Russell Wilson has called it a career. he's going to CBS and, God, that's going to be just, must not watch TV. Even though, they got Kyle Long, though, and I like Kyle Long. Like, I want to watch Kyle. I like Kyle. He's opinionate. He's got actual opinions.

Russell Wilson does not. I don't know why Russell Wilson is going to work on television, but that's not why we're here. He heard of talk about whether he's a Hall of Famer. And the answer is no, Mitch. The answer is not a Hall of Famer. No. Look, I have a, not a strong Hall of Fame take,

but, like, it's a very simple one, I feel like, you've got to be in the top three to four to five at your position when you play to be a Hall of Famer. Now, quarterback is, it's tougher because, like, you have one quarterback, obviously, like, offense alignment, you can argue you got five guys of your top five of that generation, you know, whatever. But the fact is you have to be the best of your position for any part of your career to be a Hall of Famer.

I'll give you a couple examples. Tony Besselli, I made this case for years. I'm glad he finally got in. He had a short career. He had neck injury, didn't play very long. But he was a three-time first-team all-pro, Mitch, with four other Hall of Fame left tackles playing the same time. Walter Jones, Pace, Ogden, and Roof.

Who was first-team all-pro? Tony Bisselli was, okay? Terrell Davis, short career, obviously, right? MVP. Like, Russell Wilson was a second-team all-pro one time in his career. That was it. He's not better than Brady, Breeze, Rogers, Peyton Manning, you know, when Russell Wilson was starting to start his career.

That was the end of Manning's career. It wasn't better than Manning in those years. And then the new crop, he's not better than Mahomes. The new crop of quarterback's coming in, right, at the end of his career. So like, he's what, the sixth best quarterback of his sort of of his time? He's not a Hall of Famer, Mitch. It's not that hard. Good player, great player, great downfield passer.

You know, won a Super Bowl, almost one a second Super Bowl. And then I think the time at the end of his career really tarnishes it. He didn't play well in Denver, right? He didn't play well in Pittsburgh. So I think it's a very easy case not to be Hall of Famer. I don't get why people are so enamored with him as a Hall of Famer, Mitch. Because quarterbacks that win a Super Bowl, I feel like everyone just thinks that like they should be Hall Famers.

But no one's banging down the Trent Dilford door. Like no one's banging down like the Flacco door. No, that's kind of my thing too is you have to be at the best of your position and voted on whether it's media or peers. I don't really care. Like if you're the best of your position or one of the best of your position over a decade, Like, that'll show. And if you don't have that for a decade, then if it's, you know, the four or five year

career, if it's a Troll Davis, if it's a Kofax, like, you have to be by far, he was the best player for those five years and it wasn't even close. And I think those guys kind of fit those criteria. So Russ says neither of those. He wasn't, you know, heavily accolated over, you know, what is it? He really only had eight good years, nine years? The pro bowl to me, I don't. No, pro bowl doesn't count.

We're not talking pro bowls. to me it has to be all pros or it has to be like the sentiment that we felt like the quarterback was the driving force of the team and that was never the case and then he got to the point in his career

it was theoretically him at his best he was like what 30 or 31 or something he was at the age where he should have still had his athleticism and had a ton of experience and all that stuff and finally let Russ cook and it took six weeks for teams to figure out

we're just going to take away the deep ball and you can't do anything so that was around the time where everyone was like he's never got an ever, MVP vote in his life. Yeah, that's the point because he was never good enough to get an MVP vote. So he's not a Hall of Famer. Like, it's very simple. I'm not necessarily a small hall guy. I would say I'm a Hall of Fame guy. Like, it's Hall of the best that's ever done it. It's not Hall of very good. It's not Hall of longevity. It's not Hall of did it good for a long time. To me, Mike Evans, not a Hall of Famer. Not even close. I understand. I understand the thousand yards seasons. I get the durability. He's like a two-time all-pro, second team, and one of those was like he tied for the last slot as receiver. He has never been seen

as a top five receiver in the NFL. I don't care if you're very good for 13 years. Also, he played week 17 when he didn't have to to keep a streak alive. So the streak is kind of bogus a little bit too. Anyway, guys like that, to me, him and Frank Gore have very similar. Oh, Frank Gore is my, if Frank Gore makes a Hall of Fame, I'm going to scorch Earth. on social media. I think Evans has maybe a slightly better case, but still, like a couple second team all pros

does not make you a Hall of Famer. Like if, here's the thing, I hate talking about myself in this way. If Mike Evans is a Hall of Famer, why couldn't I be a Hall of Famer? I played eight and a half years. I was a one time first team all pro and a three time second team all pro.

Isn't that more valuable than 12 seasons of twice being a second team all pro? Like, what, I had three less years than him? It's stuff like that where it just doesn't, no one would ever talk about me as being a fucking hall of favor. That's not the case. But like just because he has the counting stats, like I had the counting stats. I played every single snap.

That's the equivalent of what Mike Evans did at receiver getting yards. He played a bunch and he didn't miss time and he was able to accumulate stats. Well, I had the stats because I didn't miss any snaps and I didn't miss any games. But like no one cares about that when it comes to offense alignment. But a thousand yards sounds so good for receiver. So, yeah, this is Russ and... has less of a case, I think, because, you know, he was never considered one of the best of the position.

And then his peak or his best years also wasn't that long, all things considered for quarterbacks. And the third thing is when they finally did turn the keys over and it was, hey, you're going to run the ship. He was found out in less than two months. And he no longer had any success in the NFL. So, yeah, all that to say, not a hall of favor. You got cheated out of one of the all pros, though.

I love I mentioned that like two years ago. Jack Conlin's father went at me on social media. I'm like, what, what, what, what, what are we doing here? It was, that still frustrates me because that was like when PFF was like really getting started as far as like in popular culture. And they just, they screwed you that year. And then they, admitting it afterwards like, oh, yeah, well, actually like, yeah, he got a lot of help. We just like didn't really mention it during the season like that. That piss me off.

But yes, you're four time all pro. And yeah, I guess you get case as much as much as he does to make the whole thing. No, I mean, I don't. I played eight and a half years and it's fine. But, like, it's that kind of thing. We're just like, I mean, Joel Botonia just retired. He has a much better case than Mike Evans, I think, if you look at it. But no one's going to talk about him in Hall of Fame the way everyone's talking about Mike Evans

because of the 1,000 yards. Like, I know it's position to position. It's not exactly the same. But it's just like, I don't get why we reward being very good for a long time. That's not Hall of Fame. That's not you, no one's going to tell the story of football and, like, need to have Mike Evans in it. Same with Russell Wilson, I feel like that's, if that's the argument, that's, that's,

not a Hall of Fame argument in my opinion. I don't know if I'll make it. I'm kind of curious. Last thing on Wilson, so this is, I discussed this yesterday with, on GM shuffle, because Marty Herney drafted Cam Newton. He was asking me, he goes, he basically was like, who was the better player? Who was the more impactful player? I think that's what he said.

Cam Newton or Russell Wilson. Who do you think was the more, like, impactful player? What's the criteria for impactful? I think it was more like, like, maybe more. Who's the guy that you have to game plan for the most that changed the most about football? It's Cam. It's not even close. Yeah.

Now, I think his 15 and one season was a bit of an outlier. And I don't think that was maybe as good as like the numbers look after the fact. But did Russ do anything to change football or whatever? Like, no, he ran some zone read stuff and they had a lot of success with it. But like, Cam was like, you went into the game and we have to stop Cam. short yardage, you know, all these situations where, again, Russ was a pretty good player, but he was kind of, I'm not going to say it's derogatory to say he's more of a Shanahan type quarterback that just kind of ran the system extremely well.

Like he was better than that. But I think it was more along those lines that he ran systems very well, had the help of a great defense and had probably one and a half elite traits, his downfield throwing ability. Yeah, that's incredible. And I think he was younger, mobile enough to kind of run some zone read stuff, which we've seen kind of elevates the value of a quarterback. But in terms of, I think if you were asking any coaches a game plan for either of those teams,

Cam would be the guy they were more worried about, you know, when he was healthy. Yeah. All right. Any last words? Any news and notes you want to get to? No, we're in the midst of our Kansas City storms and it's been raining a bunch and thunderstorms and all your favorite stuff.

Do you have to go in your basement? Do you have any tornado warnings? Do you get a lot tornado warnings? we get tornado warnings every now and again. I mean, I never really go to the basement. We're kind of in this area that, like, doesn't get tornadoes in a weird way. There's this, so normally stuff rolls from west to east

when you're kind of looking at the radar. We have had a couple times, there's a storm like a few weeks ago that went from southeast to northwest. It, like, went on. It was very weird. I don't know why that was the case. There are some storms,

some of these storms have kind of went south to north. but there's this city or whatever called like Tongahawksi or something and kind of got down the rabbit hole on the 4U page on Twitter and apparently there's this thing called like the Tonga Hoxie split or something that as these crazy weather patterns are coming it like hits that city and like breaks up the storm before it gets to Kansas City so like the line that we're on never really gets like the brunt of any tornadoes and I remember when I moved into my first house here down in like south overland park we're asking about tornadoes and stuff and they're like no nothing ever really like hits here and they're having a couple touchdowns this year in some of like the cities

and like the kansas city metro area but we never really get anything we get some wild winds like oh yeah probably legitimate 50 to 60 mile an hour gusts and it's blowing heavy and the trees are looking like they're going to snap and half and stuff but in terms of like a true tornado touching down um luckily enough we haven't had that yet yeah we don't have that problem much of charlotte I mean, we get those warnings, but we don't, it's just, big cities don't typically get tornadoes because the wind, it's hard for the wind to work the way it needs to, like with houses around. We get those crazy thunderstorms. I love them. I mean, they're fantastic.

We lose power. That's why I got a generator, but it's just like, it's, I don't, I think they're fun because we grew up obviously. We have, we have, your generator is enormous. I told you when I was there. It's like the biggest generator I've ever seen. We have two generators. So we have like, it's kind of a smallish neighborhood. And apparently our power grid is like the older one for the neighborhood.

right next to it, not like the newer one. So I think in the first like three months we had once a month the power go out. And we don't have like a fully whole home integrated like thing, but we run Wi-Fi for a lot of stuff and like we need electricity to run like a lot of things in the house. And it was like, man, this is pretty detrimental when the power goes out. Not just like in a simple like obviously the power is out, but like you can't do anything because you don't have service. Like you don't have Wi-Fi. You can't watch our TV is controlled like through a whole control for thing that needs Wi-Fi. It's like, man, you can't do. can't do anything. So we got these two generators. So we have two different rooms that have

stuff. So I don't know how it works exactly. But we found out on a generators. But every time power goes out, I am extremely excited that I spent the money on them because it is well worth it. My wife and I don't fight like at all, really, because most of them terrified of her. But we, the biggest fight we ever had was over the placement of our generator, Mitch, because I think she had a bad day at work and she came home and they had poured the pad, the, the, the, the, the concrete pad for the generator and it's right by our air conditioner. It makes perfect sense where it's at. She MFed me for like 10 minutes for the putting that.

She's like, you didn't console me. Like no, I did. Like I promised you, I told you where I was going to go. I think she had a bad day at work. She just was so angry with me for putting it where it is.

And every time it comes on, I get, she thinks to me. Nowhere else in the house to put it. Correct. I told her. I told her. It's like on the other side.

I go the other side of the house is not where like the, the boxes are at. Like you can't, you can't, you could run it, I guess underneath the house all the way across. It's not just, it's where all the, the boxes are at. It makes it all, it makes perfect sense by the garage. So whatever about, generator, if you can afford it, it's, it's great.

It's fantastic. It's really worth it. All right, Mitch, hopefully we'll do this again soon. I hope the golf game's going. How's a golf game going? How are we doing with golf? Golf's good. I've been playing pretty good lately.

Lessons are paying off, starting to apply it on course. I went yesterday and did some testing. I'm still not like 100%. certain of my gear. If you want to get into like golf specifics, I've gone down that rabbit hole. Basically, so I have, we've got a couple minutes. I have one problem that is like very niche and very like specific. So I swing the club and one of the things in golf that like they always teach you is,

you know, the loft is this, but like it impact, you kind of de loft the club and you get compression and all this stuff. So two are guys, if they have a seven iron that's like 34 degrees, when they're hitting the ball, it's like all the way down to like 23 degrees or 24 degrees. They take off that much with shaffling and they get compression. It launches low and it has some good spin and stuff. So I what's called release it early where I throw the hands a little bit earlier. So I deliver a little bit aloft but not a ton.

And so I hit the ball higher than like you're quote unquote supposed to. But I also have speed and I don't have like a perfect tour delivery. So I hit the ball high with spin and fast, which is a bad combination. Like you want to hit it low with spin or you want to hit it high with less spin, and the faster you hit the ball, the higher it's going to go and the more spin it's going to have in general. So like I just don't have the right combination of me delivering the club. So I'm kind of on this path to find clubs that launch lower and spin less and are good for like someone who has a lot of speed.

And that just doesn't exist because in golf clubs to lower launch, typically you uptick spin. and then to raise launch you would typically lower spin, but I need both of those at the same time and a club that's good for speed, and it's literally like a super niche product that just like doesn't exist in the marketplace. So like I'm kind of trying to figure things out. I have these Mizuno clubs that are a little too hot

and like don't spin. They spin enough, but they also don't spend quite enough for like adverse conditions of like I'm in the rough or it's wet or something. So I'm going to get some new like seven through gap wedge. I'm going to get some new ones and kind of test them that are a little spinnier model.

but then I have my eyes on these like strixons which apparently the xxI7 line is supposed to be like of all the comparable models over time it has been lower launching and lower spinning so I'm like really interested in testing those but then because I'm me and like I have stuff at different lengths and different grips and all this stuff it's hard to just go test stuff because my sets are uber specific so it's like even when I have these rabbit holes I want to go down I can't just like go test the things because I can't get stuff built to like the specific spec that I would be using to test it. So then it's like, do I have to buy stuff and then return it and like waste money on like all these things. So yeah, I'm kind of, I'm playing really good golf, which is the funny part.

Like my index is low it's ever been, but I'm also like grinding over. Am I in the right equipment? Can I do better? You know, is there this like unicorn iron out there? So I do think I've ever got my hand on the districts on irons. That might be the solution. But for now I'm going to order, you know these different Mizunos and see how that goes. And then we have a baby coming in nine days. So my golf game's going to go to hell. So trying to solve things in the next week and a week in a couple days. And then we'll see what it looks like when we pop out on the other side of this.

I think I shot a 49 through nine holes the other day. So I'm proud of myself. That's the first time I've played in a year. I mean, look, I basically break 100 now for the most part. So I'll take that. You should you should 3D print your clubs like old, like old Bryson does. That's really helping him out. Yeah.

You know, he's, him and him alone is the only guy that's figured out how to balance a club perfectly. He said to. He said that. He, because he thinks he's a genius and he's not. Like, he made it, he made this comment that like, my club is balanced so that, like, instead of, you want to get into it, there's more mass in the heel of a club because of the hossel than on the toe of the club. So, Bryson is like, technically the sweet spot is, like, slightly towards the heel. So I'm the first person that thought to balance the club in the middle of the blade. And I put all this weight in the toe so it like balances perfectly in the middle of the club because that's where you hit.

And he doesn't play those clubs because he never trusted them enough to play them. He still. So it's like he just, it's like also no. Companies have been doing this for decades. Like they know how to balance a set. If they wanted it to be perfectly balanced that way, they would do it. Like this isn't a new idea. I think we need to do a U.S. Open golf preview next week to prepare for the,

You see, well, it's actually two weeks away, I think. I think it's two weeks away for the, no, no, next weekend. I think it's next week. When's the baby do? What day? 18th. Oh, we can just do one like from the hospital or something. Yeah, perfect.

I'm sure the Wi-Fi is great. Well, we'll do a U.S. Open Golf preview maybe next week here. Maybe Scotia will win me some money for once. That would be nice. This guy doesn't cost me money all season long. Nonetheless, who cares? No one cares about me losing money on golf. All right, Mitch.

birthday, by the way, Mitch's birthday was yesterday. 37 years old. I turned 40 this year. I don't feel 40, though. I feel great. I don't feel like... Everyone's like a 40 years old. I don't feel awesome. We'll be back... As those aren't the first two digits of your weight, I think we're good. Luckily,

we've got some scares. We've not been... We've heard this couple scares, Mitch, but not been... Well, 400 pounds. I think it's going to happen. So, we're back. Maybe next week, talking golf, talking football. We've seen some preview time coming up pretty soon, cultural media days and whatnot.

So I'll talk to guys then. Take care, everyone. Have you one.