Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - Eagles Survive Packers Rams Dominance Jtmvp And More Nfl Week 10 Reactions

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

Geoff Schwartz and Gabe Goodwin dive deep into NFL Week 10 and the college football weekend that changed everything. From the Eagles-Packers snoozefest to Matt Stafford’s MVP-worthy play, the guys debate which NFC teams are for real (Seahawks? Lions? Who knows!), roast Green Bay’s offense, and discuss the evolution of the tight end position. Plus: Jonathan Taylor’s MVP odds, Broncos flashbacks to Tebow, Caleb Williams’ playoff hopes, and a passionate rant on why college football “ranked wins” are total nonsense. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to Jeff Schwartz is smarter than you. Jeff Schwartz, you're headed by Draft Kings. Draftings, the Crown is yours. It is Tuesday, November 11th. I am Jeff Schwartz alongside Gabe Goodwin. We have so much to get into the NFL weekend. It felt like almost a college football weekend. We had separation Sunday, right?

Gabe, a lot of teams, I thought, really elevated themselves. A lot of teams went down a couple pegs. That might start with the game we just watched last night. We'll talk about that in a second. We've some college football news, as usual, your team. Oh, wait, you're wearing the reds. right jersey. I was curious if you were going to like USC and put on like a different type of jersey for the show

to pretend you're someone else, you're not. We'll talk about college football. We'll do all that, Gabe. How are you today, buddy? I'm fine. I don't know why you're trying to troll USC right now. This is one of the better weeks they've had heading into two important weeks. So we can get your opinions on the Trojans later.

As for the assumption you made that last night we got to watch Monday night football and therefore have things that we saw in the game that we can talk about. That is not true for some of us. Some of us were deprived that action. So I was checking Gamecast where I saw about 19 straight punts and some fumbles mixed in. What a snooze fest of a game from the two teams I thought were the most electric in the NFC. What the hell was that?

I did see your tweet. So you have YouTube TV, you have no option for ESPN? That is correct. I gotta say, man, big networks, I don't think lose these battles very often. I feel like ESPN is certainly losing this YouTube thing right now. Like, people are realizing maybe I don't need ESPN as much as I thought I did. And they're finding different ways to get their sports in. But nonetheless, oh, you want to say something?

Whoever, well, I just want to say, whoever got the government reopened in the last couple of days, maybe we can put them on the case and figure this out. Yeah, and I love the YouTube TV offered you the credit, but you have to go like claim it yourself. Yeah. They didn't like, they didn't credit your account as they should do, which is the right. Just give us $20 back. That's all it is.

The reason I've kept DirecTV is for this exact reason. I have DirecTV and I have YouTube TV. I know it's excessive. It is what it is. But this way I get to watch all the games. So I watch a game last night, Gabe, since you don't watch the game. It is technically my job. That's what I tell my wife to get out of doing things I tell her I have to watch football.

And I had to watch last night. Now, look, the Eagles. I don't know, man. They, they're often by, like, they, well, I have more things about the Packers in a second. You know, winners first, right? So the Eagles, their addition of Jalen Phillips really paid a role yesterday.

I thought their defensive line, we know the inside guys are active, but the outside guys really had a good game, which is important for them, because they, you know, they need those edge rushers to complete their defense. They did a really good job on defense. Offensively, it just felt uneven, right? Game where they would have a good couple of plays

and have a tackle for loss and then no one would be open. And it just was like a very herky, jerky, offensive performance from them. But I'm not even sure it was dictated by the Packers doing anything exceptionally well. There was fear of Michael Parsons because, you know, Lane Johnson went out for a little bit. And then as soon as he went out,

the offense kind of shut down. But, you know, there were plays to be made and they made enough plays to get it done. But it was like they kept making little errors here and there. Think about the Packers, Gabe. And I'll give credit to Marty Herney for this former Carolina Panthers General Manager. I do another podcast with him. And he said this a couple weeks ago about the Packers. It's really, really true. And I think it explains everything about them. No one fears their quarterback. No one fears this offense. What about the Packers' offense

worries you if you're an opposing defense. If you're an opposing defense facing the Eagles, Sequel and Barkley worries you, right? The Eagles healthy offense align. worries you. Even Jaylen Hurts's ability to create play sort of worries you, right? If you're facing the Packer's offense right now, what worries you about them? A wide receivers don't worry you, right? Jordan Love, I don't know what, you don't worry me. I watch him play, you watch him play. What about him worries you? He doesn't have a great arm. He's mostly accurate most of the time. Sometimes he's not even on time. Jacobs is good, but the offense align as constructed right now doesn't really worry you. They seem to not have a rhythm.

I mean, how many times did the camera last night, Pan to Matt Lafleur, like, pulling his hair out because guys are open and the ball's not getting to them on time or he's missing the right read? Like, nothing about the Packers offense scares you. The Eagles played that way. They played aggressive, defensively, knowing that, okay, if we have guys on islands, the ball's not getting them on time.

The ball's not going to be where it needs to be. He's going to miss a read if we get someone in his face. So the Packers' offense, and we talk about the Packers for weeks now, right? They won the first two games. They lost the Browns. They tied the Cowboys. They beat the Bengals by nine in Flacco's first game. They need to come back to beat Arizona.

The big Steelers won a couple weeks ago. It looks terrible, right? Because the Steelers stink. So to me, the takeaway is the Packers just don't scare anybody right now. Nothing about them makes you concerned about playing Green Bay. The Eagles can't have things to work on, but I think they're going to be fine. But Green Bay, to me, man, is just continuing a downward spiral, especially when you look at the rest of the division with the bears.

And they feel food gaysie too. but they're winning the games, right? They're making up plays in the games, and the Lions obviously had a big blowout win this weekend. So I am not high in the Packers game. I think the number one thing is, so when we get into game plan on Wednesday, typically, right, of a game week, the coach, offense, defense, head coach, right,

puts a list up of the game wreckers, like guys that are good. You have to circle on every play, okay? So, for example, like the Packers have won on defense, Michael Parsons. You even know where he is, single play. Okay.

If I put up a list of game records on the Packers' offense, who am I putting up? Like guys, you're like, man, this guy, I got to make sure we double him. Or we have two, we have four eyeballs to him, or we have six eyes to him. Jacobs, maybe, I guess. And the Packers game playing last night, they ran the ball too much on first down. I mean, it was a game playing. It looked like they don't trust their quarterback, too, right? Like, they don't trust what he can do.

So way down the Packers game, way down on the Packers. All right. So before we switch to the Eagles, I have a question about that. You're saying when you were a player in prep, coaches would have to literally circle a star player and be like, hey, I need you to. No, no, it would be like, is there sort of like the, you know, we go through like a Wednesday install and we just sort of go over like the roster we're playing, right? Like the base defenses, the base fronts or even like the head coach would do like for both sides of the ball. So we sort of just had an idea as a team. They just put up like a list like these, these three. guys you can't let him beat us right so of course we know micha parsons but i think just to let everyone know like these are the guys that we have to make sure don't ruin the game for us and extra attention

coming forward in the game plan will be to not let these guys beat us okay but for the most part NFL players know who's on the other team and like who's good sure but but like okay like i'm an offensive alignment i might not know that an opposing corner is as good as he is Like I that's like that might be news to me. I don't know. All right. Fair enough. You'd be surprised how many NFL players don't actually watch the NFL outside of playing the NFL.

Like there are guys that don't watch football. Okay, wait a second. I wanted to get moving. But what are you talking about? Like what are they doing on Saturday if they're not watching college football? I don't know. Playing video games like hanging out with their significant others. Like yeah.

So, like, I come home from a game and watch more football. They're teammates that just put football on. They just don't watch football. Okay. I think we could probably find a pretty good correlation between the guys who don't watch football and the guys who make the knuckleheaded idiotic plays or seem hard to coach. I feel like you want your football players to watch football in their free time. That seems like, I don't know, kind of an obvious thing.

I mean, the one pushback will be like, if, you know, like, do you do, I guess you listen to a podcast in your, in your, spare time. I do. I don't listen to like your other podcasts during the week, but I listen to podcasts about all kinds of things to get smarter because I like the media. Like when you leave work,

the other you will be, I guess when you leave work a lot of people just don't do the work. Don't like think about work. And that'd be the sort of the same idea, right? Where you leave football and you don't have to, you don't watch football, I guess. I guess unless my job paid me millions of dollars and I only had a few years to do it. Yeah. I'm

with you. I love football. I watch football. time, but there were teammates I had that didn't watch football. So that's why I think the game record list was up there. So that's the point of the list. Well, here's a guy who I'm not sure how much football he watches. And I don't know, because again, I couldn't watch. I don't know how much of an impact he had on the game, but let's flip it over the Eagles and their D.

Jalen Carter, not a guy who strikes me as like totally dialed in at all times, but he is probably one of the best players on that D. Tell me, how did their defense do? Why did they look good? How did they carry their week off? Well, they looked really fresh, obviously, off a buy, and they just dominated up front. I mean, Carter was good. And there was that play everyone's pointing out.

He called out. They're running an inside zone right to his side. I mean, you know, the film studies there for those guys. And we saw last year the defense. My guy, well, he watched football. Good job. He just watched football, yeah. All right.

That the Eagles last year, we saw this get better throughout the season defensively. And again, but like the Packers, you can devote extra attention to Josh Jacobs because you don't have to worry about doubling any of the wide receivers. You don't have to worry about those guys making plays. You don't have to worry about Jordan Love doing something special. So more attention is given to the run game. I thought the Packers just, you know, they did the run, run, run, pass thing, right? Run first down, run second, pass third down.

It just doesn't work. And so Eagles played really well. But their defense is very talented. And Jalen Phillips had a good game. Hunt played well from the edge spot. So it was a good performance from Eagles defense. But I think it comes back to a lot. The Packers just don't call plays like they trust the game.

quarterback. Yeah, well, no, clearly they don't. I don't know if Matt LaFleur watches football. I think he probably watches like a whole genre of YouTube vertical shorts about grooming one's facial hair. You know, you ever get those in your shorts? I get those where guys go to like India and get like a street barber to really, really manicure their beard. I bet he's watching those. And they're like, they're like 50 cents shave. Yeah. And then like some guy just like standing on a street is just like doing this to you for like 20 minutes. I will get into like the, that genre of TikTok video

for a little bit of time. And then I, I would love to do one of those like spas that does like the whole like head and massage scout massage thing. Like there's a one, there's a couple in Charlotte popping up now. But the problem is Gabe I would fall asleep within five minutes.

And I would, is that worth the $100 for the 30 minute scout massage? fall sleep through most of it. Interesting question. Should they turn the sort of bill off? When you fall asleep? You pause it for a little bit. They go work on someone else to come back like, oh, this guy's awake again.

Let's keep working on this dome. All those videos are great. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, the Indian ones like, yeah, you're right. But like the actual like a, is AMSR, A SMR, whatever it is. ASMR, yeah. The scout massage stuff, man, I'm, I'm in on that. Yeah.

If you want during this show, I could do like little sacque. No, I don't, that's weird. That, that, that, I don't watch those videos. That's, that's odd. I'm talking about the one where they actually, like, are like actual massaging the person. I don't watch the ones where you're, you're the people with the, that's, oh, that's creepy. No, it's not creepy? Yeah, it's just weird crap like that.

Yeah, they make the noise with their mouth and stuff. I'm out on that. But head massage, head spas. I'm in. Yeah. Let's go. All right. All right, well, speaking of being in here, so I,

tell me how I, the rankings are corny at times, but I feel like we have to do it here because of the Eagles and the Packers and the way that played out. And then the Seahawks who, I don't know what the hell that is, but it keeps going and the Lions had a good game. Rams are obviously very good. Try to figure it out for me. Rank the top five.

Not in terms of record, obviously I could figure that out. Just who do you like best in the NFC right now? Okay. the Rams. Remember how we were? Yes. Remember how we were on the Rams heading into the season?

And the whole month of August was Matt Stafford's going to have to have back surgery. And then he just didn't. And they've been great since then. Rams to me are won. I mean, I like them won before the season. So like this is just maybe confirmation bias. But I would say Rams won.

I would probably go, is it talking about who we think can win the NFC or just the best team right now? I'd just like to know who you think his best. Winning comes down to who's healthy in a few. I'd probably go like Rams, Lions, Seahawks, Eagles Packers. Rams, Lions, Seahawks, Eagles, Packers. Well, Eagles out of Packers make sense. So Seahawks. You know, I don't want to spend the time on the Seahawks, but like, what? Here's a deal, Gabe. Here's what we'll do with the Seahawks. Because I'm sort of

with you here, okay? I'm sort of with you here. Yeah. Is that the Seahawks and the Rams play this weekend. Okay. Okay. Yeah. We will talk about the Seahawks if they'd be the Rams. How about that? That seems fair. Hank had an interesting note in the rundown about that game. And I, believe it or not, I am interested in this only because I'm talking to you. If I were talking to any other person on earth, I would not ask this question. Yeah. Can you please explain to me the 13 personnel that's being used? It seems all the time in certain places, including those places. What's up with the 13 personnel? Okay. So 13 personnel.

is one running back, three tight ends, a one wide receiver, right? So the first number and the personnel is the running back, the second is the tight end. So you can have the 11, right, one and one, 12, one running back is two, you know, 21 is like old school football, right, running back, full back, tight end. You could have 04 personnel, whatever.

So the Rams had three tight ends they used. All three tight ends caught a pass and had explosive pass against the Niners. The Seahawks, by the way, do a ton of 13 personnel as well. the bears do 13 personnel. The reason why 13 personnel is difficult to defend is it's very clearly to a defense, it's a run-based personnel package, right?

You have bigger bodies on the field. So the defense counters that with bigger bodies on their side of the ball. Then all of a sudden, you pass the football, and now you have tied ends that are more skilled than the guys guarding them going out in the route. Because look, if you're a defense

and you put out little people, they'll just run the football, right? So it's a tough dynamic for a defense on how to stop a 13 personnel. You have to have three times they can do it. Typically you have one sort of blocking tight end and then two guys that can catch a football. So if you're like the Bears, you have Loveland, right?

Like he's your past catching guy to 13 personnel. If you're the Rams, you know, all three of those guys are mostly interchangeable. Like Ferguson probably is not your blocking tight end, right? He's more of like you're, he's the rookie, the more than the past catch. He only had one catch, I think. So it's just really tough for defense.

is to defend. But you also have to be willing to run the football, right? Like the Rams are willing to run the football at a 13. You have to be able to do it. Otherwise, teams will just throw the little guys out there as well. But also, like the Rams, when you think about their wide receiving group right now, it's Devont-Adams of Pukua. It's not like they're deep with three, four, five wide receivers that you love, right?

So if you don't have a ton of wide receivers that you love, let's go play three tight ends are two tight ends, right? Like, that's part of the equation, too. If you are, you know, if you're the Eagles, like last night, like, you're not going to play 13 personnel and take Devante Adams or A.J. Brown off the field. So, like, you, because in 13% you get one wide receiver. So, you know, if you're the Rams, you've had guys sort of beat up

and you got Devanti Adams, who got hurt in this game, I believe, only played a little bit of the game. Like, now you're done at Pooka Nuku as your number one. Is it you're going to run out the 2, 3, 4, 5 wide receiver? Just come out of 13 personnel and use those tight ends in a mismatch. So that's all sort of encompassing. why 13 personnel gets used. Okay.

And then with that, it seems to me in the, you know, my lifetime at least, we've evolved, you know, starting around, I guess, gronk era, there were always some pretty good tight ends who could put up some numbers, right? So Shannon Sharp did it, Antonio Gates did it, Tony Gonzalez did it. But it wasn't like the position changed with gronk and then into Kelsey. And now almost every team has like a first round type tight end. Yep. And then the extra tight end is what tight ends were when I was growing up,

the like Anthony Becks of the world. He's like, I don't know, man. Maybe you'll catch it if we throw it to you in the red zone, but like you're basically here to block. And now they have another tight end. And so I guess the question is like, are more young guys going to be developed into tight ends?

Would a big strong, you know, Andre Johnson type play the tight end position now? You know what's funny too is that like college doesn't have a ton of great tight ends every year. So I don't know if they're coming in the NFL. Iowa always has six guys. Yeah, but like Iowa doesn't have one this year. I can't pass the football. I mean, there's a couple, but like even like the last couple years,

you like look at the draft. It's not like the Rams don't have those. The Rams tight ends right now. It's Tyler Higbee, Parkinson, and then as I mentioned, Ferguson. Like those are not, those weren't highly coveted guys coming out of college. Now, of course, there are guys that are that way, Bowers, obviously, and, and who else is one of those?

now I'm blanking in some of the tight ends. Tucker. Covered guys. But like it's it, it's just gave, the thing about it is, I'm not sure that more are playing it, but offenses are realizing the importance of tight ends because they're hard just to guard. Like the mismatches are there.

And as the game ebbs and evolves, right? There was a period where we did a bunch of up-tempo stuff, right? Now we're not doing that anymore. We're going back to huddling. Not really NFL, more called huddling, pounding the rock. We're running the ball a little bit more, so you want some, you know,

you want some tight ends and you want the best of both worlds. You want to be able to, you mentioned like the Anthony Beck, right type of guy. I remember Ben Hartsock, former teammate of mine, played like 11 years in NFL

as the second tight end had one touchdown catching, 11 receptions in like 11 seasons. Like, that's what the second tight end used to be, right? But the mismatch is so, it's so big now that they're training these guys to cast a football.

Yeah, I just wonder, about some of the guys who have the frame for it. If I'm, you know, a high school coach, like, dude, let's just call you tight end, man. Like, let's go make you a five-star tight end. Oh, in high school, dude, if you play, if I design a high school offense, the tight end would be, I would use a tight end

if I could find one. Like, like, I would just take my defensive end and play them both ways. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, all right. Well, tight end's a fun position to talk about, actually. I don't know why. Maybe that's a little dorky side of me

because I actually, everything you just said was awesome. I just want to call out a stat I saw because it's too weird not to note. I don't think there's much to say, but Matt Stafford is 500 for the first time in his career. Think about that for a second. Matt Stafford just this week finally climbed back to 500 on his career.

He was 79-90 and 1 with Detroit, no post-season wins, obviously. And now with the Rams, 4,1,000, and he's got the playoff wins. Matt's Afford's career has to be the weirdest, the weirdest career we could ever talk about. He might win MVP this year, which is kind of great.

He's never made a first team all pro, second team. He's never made an all pro team. I'm looking right now in his career. Only two Pro Bowls. Probably a Hall of Famer, I think. And, I mean, I think MVP at the moment, I think he has a great chance anyone to win, which would be wild at his age to win MVP for the first time.

Yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, there's nothing like it, I don't think. I mean, Alex Smith comes to mind not as good as him, but, you know, who was really bad with the Niners early on and then obviously with the Chiefs for six years or something, a winning record. It just doesn't happen very often. It really doesn't. And just tells you that, you know,

what the lines were holding back. But also I think that McVeigh and Stafford, that pairing worked, right? there's no guarantee that Massafo was traded somewhere else, he'd be over 500. Just a grouping of those two guys has worked out really well together. It's an all-time trade, man. Think about the trade. It's not the Lions did terrible with Goff either.

The Rams just, man, what an altering trade for their franchise. Yeah, and I'd say the Lions are pretty happy with how it turned out too. You said he could be the MVP. That's true. He could be. But time for me to point out, once again, the greatest call I've ever made on this show. I hope a few people out there listened and just sprinkled a few bucks on Jonathan Taylor for MVP back in like week three or whenever I first mentioned it. No, it was more like four weeks ago.

Don't, don't do that. It was like a month ago. Jeff, re-raise. I'm all in. You re-raise? I'm all in. I'm all in. I say week three is probably the first time I mentioned this. Well, I bet it four weeks ago when it was 60 to 1. Yeah, you waited like three weeks. So, Hank can help me. Well, we'll find it. That's an easy one. I got 60 to 1. I think he's now down to 6 to 1, right, 8 to 1, something like that. The other one, I think I gave this one out. Carson Swessinger, the rookie linebacker for the Browns, 40 to 1 defensive rookie of the year, now the favorite.

How about that? If I hit Jonathan Taylor 60 to 1 and Swessinger 40 to 1, my bankroll will increase a little bit. I'll spend it faving USC. But I will be able to, that'll be, look, the thing about Taylor, is, I, oh, man, it's a good call. We got the value, Gabe, but things just have to break right for him to win the award still, right?

Like, I think that the Rams have got to falter a little bit. The Colt have to be the one seed still, which is, I don't know, can they do that? Absolutely. The pages have got to cool off a little bit. Things have to sort of break, right? But it's a good call because it's now six to one or eight to one when we got it 60 to one. Also think about selling that pick now.

If you're, you know, you feel like you got all about. get out of it. Well, I'm not going to, I'm not selling it. But what would you do is you, I have Mahomes at seven and a half to one already. And I have this one is I just would add Stafford. I just would add Stafford. I just would add that for the portfolio. And I think one of those three will win the MVP.

Okay. All right. That's enough. I'm glad I didn't say the name of the team, but that's enough discussing the team he plays for. I don't think Drake May is winning MVP. No. And I don't really want to explore that topic. But we will hit the Patriots when we do our not so quick hitters.

Can we do that next? Yeah, we'll do that next. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back. All right. We're back with some NFL quick hitters. Let's do it, Gabe. Okay.

When the season is over and we're trying to describe why things went well in New England, is the first name that we're saying Vrable or May? Vrable, I would have to imagine. I'm going to say, though, he did something this weekend that I thought was pretty reckless and it worked out for him and he's pretty I think he's fairly lucky this happened the way it did gave you see the end of the first half on any chance were you watching the end of the first half between bucks and patriots uh no I had red zone on I don't know what you're going to refer to okay so the end of the first half they're down 10 7 I believe was 107

they have the ball the first first and goal to one under two minutes left in the fath Tampa has no timeouts Okay. New England gets the ball out of halftime. The first play of that drive, they took a knee, essentially. They did a tush push, but majors fell down to waste time off the clock. So Tampa did not get the opportunity to get the ball back to end the first half. Okay. The second play, they were stuffed at the one.

The third play, they were stuffed at the one. Now it's fourth and goal from the one. You've wasted a play by taking a knee. And then Diggs made an incredible catch, got the third. both feet and bound and scored a touchdown, and they went in the half of 1410, came out of the half, and scored immediately and went up 21-10 and the game was over. I don't think you can do that in the first half and just give up a play game. That, to me, is wild.

And end of the game, sure, I guess, but there's no guarantee you score in this sport. And to just give up a play on first and goal at the one, to me, felt really not worth the risk. It paid off, it did. Took a great catch from Diggs to make that happen. And if he gets hit a tad more and two feet or not in bounds, I think the Patriots look like fools. And we question whether or not Vrable made the right decision or not. Yeah, I don't know.

If I've learned anything this week, it's that Diggs stays in. So I'm not surprised by any of that. Let's talk about the bills. I liked it, that one just right there. Bills go push or get pushed around by Miami, which is, of course, the thing that happens to the bills about mid. season every year where you're like, wait, what the, what's that? Not what was remarkable about it, though. Coach, Mike McDaniel, future podcaster, decides to jump in his very expensive car and drive

to the bar in town where Bill's fans hang out and then drive by and troll them. And so I'd like to know, first of all, have you ever heard of an NFL coach doing anything quite so ridiculous? And two, can I suggest a better way that he could have done this, a more effective troll? How is that's a little cringy coach Like go celebrate the win with your friends and family What do you do you're three and seven Like what are we doing here Then he was he was asked about it

Hey coach was that really you We saw the pictures and he just said Well I live near there but AI is real He looks like he was wearing the same exact stuff He wore on the sideline too Did he even like change Did he just come home in his side line gear? Probably he dresses on the sideline in cooler outfits

Than I wear it at dinner Like I don't have anything as cool looking as what he wears to sideline. I think that's two weeks in a row now. The Capriot pants are getting it done for both the Jets head coach and the Dolphins Head Coach. There we go. Yeah. You can keep doing that in Miami. Up in New York, man, that's going to get cold quick.

Here's what I think he should have done, Jeff. Tell me if you like this idea better. He calls the bar. He knows the bar, right? He says, hey, listen, do me a favor. In a few minutes, I'd like you to announce the whole bar. Any Bill's fan in the bar round on us. And when they get a little excited, then you say, you know,

and everyone cheers to coach McDaniel because he's the one who bought it for us and then have the bartender point outside. And there he is. He flips him off and then he burns out. Well, he, the flip off thing he can't do, but the rest of it would have been the best, that would have been much better than what he did. Absolutely 100% should have called the bar

and pay for everyone's drinks after they drink it. And then, and then they're like, pissed at him, but they're also like, oh, he got us. That was pretty good. Yeah, and then they're like, you know, they've got a free drink.

And yeah, this guy's actually not the biggest jerk in the whole world. That does help a little. That would have been, Gabe, that's a great idea. Strong endorse of that concept.

Okay, thank you, thank you. So maybe if there's ever, like, you know, you have to have a get back guy in the NFL.

Yeah, yeah, I'm not really the right guy for the get back guy, but if a coach wants to be publicly trolly, I could be the troll guy. Oh, I like that concept. Yeah. How do we get that out there in the market place?

I'll tweet it and then no one will see it because Twitter's broken. Hey, here's a guy who could have used a trolling support or a get-back guy or just really anything to help him win games. Brian Dayball's out in New York. The Giants job, of course, always like everyone's favorite thing to talk about when it's open. Weird, though, Joe Shane of Meltdown the Team on Hard Knocks fame. gets to stay and help find the coach, which to me means Bill Belichick is off the list, right?

Because Belichick's not going there if he's then reporting to Joe Shane. That's absurd. I don't know why Joe Shane's still there, man. The roster stinks. I don't get why he keeps his job. But the reason I've heard the best about why GMs keep their job is they're closest to the owner. Like the coach is not the owner very often. The GM and the owner, I think, talk all the time.

They sit in the box together during the games. Like they're friends, right? they become friendly and it's very easy to pin all the issues on the head. I got the right guys. The coach has to coach him up. Some of the names for the Giants' job are just, just no. Why? Why?

Look, the Giants have got to protect Jackson Dart the rest of the season. That guy's, he's had four checks so far for concussions during games. They have to protect him. You have to get to the finish line this year with him healthy. And it's an attractive job because of that because of Jackson Dart. I don't know who the right guy is. I wonder if Kafka who's going to be in charge. of the team now gets a really good look for that but you have to bring in someone who can develop

Jackson Dart that's that simple okay what if Kevin Stefansky falls in their lap uh who was the one that proposed that yesterday and Orlovsky put it out there yeah uh I think sophancy's gone because he's tired of the brown shit and I think him and dart would work well together there's there's no doubt sophancy can coach we know that uh this brown thing is an absolute wreck and it's clearly being decided by the owner who's playing and who's not and uh I I think Stifancy can't wait to get out of there. And I would imagine that would be a very good fit to put Jackson Dart in a Stephansky offense.

Yeah, I texted my friends who are Giants fans and just said, you may luck out here. You may end up with Stafansky. That would instantly make them a real team in my mind. But we'll see. I think it would too. You briefly touched on this earlier and I felt like you were ready to throw some shade at it. But once again, Caleb comes through in the fourth quarter. His stats have continuously improved throughout the season.

season. I'm re-redrafting last year's draft. He's number one again for me, at least just by virtue of being on the field. That seems important. Interesting. Yeah. Caleb and the Bears, a real threat in the playoffs? No. Okay. They're not going to be a threat. They're good enough to be a threat. They're good enough to get in, obviously. But these, I mean, you can't keep winning games the way they're winning. And I think, and I just don't think you're going to be a threat, like, to win anything in the postseason. They're not, they're not dominant. any these games. It's good to win, better than lose, obviously. Like, duh, but I just don't expect, I don't expect there to be much playoff action for them. Okay, you could probably give the exact

same answer to the next team I'm going to bring up, literally word for word. And I would go, yeah, that makes sense. The Broncos threaten the offense or in the postseason. So I saw this stat, when teams score 20 or less points this season in the NFL, they're 3 and 41, okay, non-Broncos, so other 31 teams. When the Broncos score less than 20 points, the season are 3-0. Yeah. I ask this every week. I said, do the Broncos practice offense?

They practice offense. They don't know if they practice offense. It looks like they just go out on whatever game it was Thursday, Sunday, and just say, Bo Nix, good luck. I wish you the best. Their offense is not efficient. They have a good offensive line. Not efficient offense.

Not efficient run the football. Not efficient pass in the football. They have one way to win and that's it. And so I say don't, we're not doing this. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. No, no, you're not. No, it's not that bad.

It's not, don't do that. They look like the Tebow Broncos. They do. Tebow won a game two for eight passing. That's not Boonex. Let's be, let's be honest. I'm just saying. They also ran a baller.

bunch of wildcat. It's not the same. The defense would keep them in the game and then Tebow would do one or two miraculous things and they would win. And they went to the playoffs and won a game that way. From that perspective, that is fair. Yes. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. I mean, Tim was a better quarterback than Bo Nix, but I'm just saying on on those levels, they're comparable. I, uh, I just, I want a, I want Bo Nix to be good. I just, the thing that that concerns me as usual is I turned to like process right like talking of the Packers earlier the process of their offense makes me believe they do not think

Bo Nix is very good oh okay he also just proves it by missing a lot of guys a few college teams also weren't sure Bo Nix was very good until he kind of had an okay year at your place a little bit of kind of he was in New York for the Heisman ceremony but sure okay

job defending your boy uh Dan Campbell's play call in Detroit and they look better. Or are the commanders just bad? And I don't think we need to talk about the booth in this game, but you can if you want. I had it on mute. Okay, the only thing I'll say about the booth situation is like,

I thought it was unfair to put those guys in that situation. Okay. Interview the president during the middle of a football game. I doubt there was a lot of preparation. I'm sure that was just sprung upon them. I know. if I was doing a game or I was doing a radio show

I would probably have liked to know that the president was coming on with me and whatever that was I heard a tiny bit of because the Red Zoned Channel went to it for a few minutes sure look the same people that are like no politics and sports

it's just it's frustrating but whatever nonetheless I would just say this about Dan Campbell. So Ben Johnson, we know, can call an offense. I think we never gave Dan Campbell of credit for how much involvement he had of the Lions offense. Because very clearly, he was a big part of that last year. And then they took over, he took over this week called plays and looked like the great offense we know the Lions to be. I think we need to give Dan Campbell a little more credit

for the success they've had offensive over the last couple of years. That's my take on that. You've sort of hinted at that before. Dan Campbell, by the way, would qualify. is when I said Anthony Becked, I could have said Dan Campbell. Same kind of game. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I think he gets his share of credit and maybe he should stick with the plate calling

and maybe this is the year. Detroit? You know whose year it isn't? And yet for some reason, their quarterback's trying to come back. What's happening in Cincey? Why is Joe Burrow on a practice field? What the hell are they doing?

So two things. I think it really is. So right now the Bengals, I'm going to pull this up to make sure I have this right. They're three and six. So there are two games out of division, but that doesn't include Baltimore who's like roaring up, right? Who's five and four and probably win the next eight games in a row. And according to the wild card, there's a cutoff, right? We're like, you know, you're one game back of the Chiefs.

Actually, you're two games back of the Chiefs, one and a half games back, the eight seed, you know, unlikely to catch up. I think it's one or two things. One is that it's getting back at practice, it signals to the team like you're still trying to win essentially, right? You're going for this thing and it gives them a little bit of hope that if they sneak out a couple wins, they have a chance to get back on this thing. And then two, sort of the same thing, I think,

is that it just keeps the coach's jobs, right? If Zach Taylor brings Joe Burrow back and they win some games, maybe he keeps his job. The problem is not the offense, though. The offense is fine in Cincinnati with Joe Burrow. They've scored 38 and 40. the last two weeks and lost. Their defense stinks.

Also, so he is a 21-day window, okay? So it's Steelers, Hatriots, Ravens, next three. He could probably come back for the Ravens game, I think. You can't bring him back for, they play Ravens, Bill's Ravens. You're going to bring him back for that stretch?

Hey, buddy, here's your broken toe. Welcome back to the NFL with Bill's, Ravens, essentially. Ravens, Bill's Ravens. I think it's silly, man. You're not doing anything this season. Why bring him back? Why even risk another injury

behind this offensive line for a season that's not going to end in a Super Bowl. Can I suggest that perhaps it was the player himself who said get me back out there because he heard people like us chatting about, well, wait a second, the offense isn't that much worse with a 40-whatever-year-old guy.

I don't think that, I don't think Joe Burrow cares about that. You don't think Joe Burrow cares about my takes? I said, did send it to him. I said, what do you think about this take? He said, he left, on red though, psycho. We'll leave something on red like that. Oh, I hate people who do that.

Is your phone like that? Is your phone like that? You make a joke? I can't. Honestly, man, nothing gives me more anxiety than things being left on red. I got to get to zero. Where else in life will you have that besides a text message? That's it, right? Like, there's no, emails don't say left on a red, right? Oh, you mean where it like exposes that I haven't read? I don't know how that works, actually. I just read everything. What are you talking about?

Oh, yeah, I'm the same. So my wife has like 200 unread text messages. I have zero. I don't know how she does that. I don't know how she does that. I saw a video the other day, a bunch of NFL players getting on a plane talking about how many unread text messages they had. And some of them were talking thousands. Like, I have zero.

This is not a badge of honor, guys. That makes you a bad dude. I have zero. I might not answer you. But I've read the best message. Yeah, that's fine. Just read the damn thing. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm with you. I don't know where we're going this. Joe Burrow, oh, I don't think he gives a shit what people say, but it's also the team's job to make sure he stays healthy. So I'm curious to see what happens here. Okay. Two quickies. Great stat.

I include me into this stat. Love this stat. I sort of knew this intuitively. It sounds like you and Matt did not. The Panthers have now lost 11 games in a row when they were the favorite. So lost straight up when they were the favorite 11 times in a row. They have won some games they were the favorite. the dog in, they can't win when they're favored.

What's going on there? I don't know. I don't tell you. I think that explains them for the last eight years. I just, I don't know. Sure. I mean, they, they weren't very close. It's New Orleans.

Maybe you should just not touch that team, Jeff. I didn't bet on them. We were off the campus. Four and one this week, by the way. We're back, baby. Four and one. Let's go. Maybe one of the teams you took

Where the Chargers Given the points and covering easily But we did I bet them in real life though So I'll take it Well their defense looked excellent And Justin Herbert Also by the way

Maybe pick a fourth MVP guy To spread it out Because he could come along late He's right there He just is He's not gonna make it this season With all the hits he takes man It takes so many freaking hits

Dude It's so it's just I feel so bad for the guy man he gets every game just just he has legs tangled limping again it's not good it's just not good yeah he does appear to be living a good life though um he got his his girlfriend in an organ sweatshirt that was a very good that was a very good look for organ which one are there 472 combinations of sweatshirts also it looked it looked like a throat

like some sort of vintage uh sweatshirt um but uh yeah she it looked better than i don't We're in a USC show. I'll tell you that. Okay. Well, I was about to say, I feel like the Chargers kind of remind me of Oregon. Like, wow, that team's good.

They might even be great. They aren't going to do shit in the postseason. That's kind of how I feel about them. Hmm. Should we call that a tease and go to the next segment of the show? We'll do that. We're back in a second.

We're back on the show. I want to make a correction here. I mock game earlier for saying, he said week three or four Jonathan Taylor was winning the MVP. We went back and checked the tapes. Thank you, Hank. And Gabe did say that after week four.

So we'll give you an add-a-boy for that one. I did bet it though. Same price, 60 to 1. So hopefully we can get home on that. This week, we get a little bit of a sparing of of cat-fighting between me and you of our favorite college teams

as we get to the college segment right now because next week, Oregon does play USC. This week, we do not. But Oregon did beat Iowa game. Did you expect Oregon to win that game? I expected them to win the game until I started watching the game. And while I was watching the game, I no longer expected them to win,

but they pulled it out anyway. I don't know what to make of that game, and now we play them, both those teams in the next two weeks. Were you surprised at how close it was? It took a field goal at the very last second there to save it. We, I mean, dude, I was funny on Friday night, I think I was talking with Oregon fans on Twitter about our kicking game.

Our kicking game hasn't been good in 30 years. It's wild how many missed kicks we've had over the years. The win that game that way was rather shocking. And both all three kicks right down the middle too. Like, one of the thing, right? Just big, bang, boom for Sappington. So college football is interesting because many reasons why, but one of them is the injury reporting stuff, right?

Gabe, where there's no injury reporting ever, right? There's the Big Ten has like a 90-minute injury report before a game, like an inactive list like the NFL does. SEC, I think, has more weekly injury reporting than anyone else does, or maybe the ACC someone does. Big 12 or the matter. So Friday night, the rumors started swirling that Oregon was going to be without a bunch of their starters on offense after a by week, which is wild, but when you'll explain why I think that happened the way it was.

They're going to be without DeCoreen Moore, who's their best wide receiver, true freshman. They're already without Evan Stewart, who's wide receiver one to enter the season. They were particularly going to be without Sadiq, who's a first round tight end. and then our right tackle, who's our best run blocker outside the center on our team. And there was rumors one of our running backs

was going to be out as well. And so it came to fruition that that was all true. War was out. Sadiq was out and Harky was out. So now you go to Iowa is one of the best defenses in the country, number one in limiting explosive plays,

number thing four in rushing defense, without your number one wide out, your number one tight end. And then we had five healthy wide receivers game, and one of them, the USC transfer, Gary Bryant Jr., got hurt on the first drive of the game. So we're down to four wide receivers for the rest of the game.

So when that's the context of that, explains the offense where we ran the ball a bunch of times. We threw the ball barely any of the game. We rushed for like 260 yards, man. That was a hell of performance with the offensive line. The running backs were great. And look, the thing about playing Iowa that's so tough is that they sort of like, and they actually made mistakes for once,

but they normally don't make mistakes in that stadium, right? They don't turn the ball over. They don't make, and they ugly the game up where you think to yourself, we're not going to play a certain way. You get there and you play that certain way. The amount of mistakes Oregon made, Oregon was up 1510. I think it was 15, 10, 12, 7. I don't know what it was.

Yeah, I think that's right, because then it was, yeah. Well, I'm thinking of the play, the play I'm talking, I think it was actually 12 to 7 when this play happened. But Oregon had up third and two, about the 20-yard line. And they ran a play action pass where the tied end was open for a touchdown. But our right guard tripped the quarterback who fell down and we had to kick a field goal. I think they made it 15-7 after that moment. Like there were like plays like that where, you know, that doesn't happen to home probably,

but it happens at Iowa. And we won a game playing like Iowa. The reason why Oregon fans, I think, are so proud of this win is for that reason, right? is all week we heard how Iowa is more physical than Oregon. Even watching the game, I don't know if you watch the game, Gabe, and listen to Telecast, like the CBS crew was like in awe that we could compete. Oh, their defensive line.

And we're like, yes, we have a first round pick, maybe two on our defensive line. It's actually good. We're one of the best defense in the country. The only team I think in the country right now, like top 10 and yards for playing an offense and on defense. It's a very good defense. And like the people, the way that talk about this game,

like can they survive? by the physicality of Iowa. That's what made this game, I think, for Oregon fans so satisfying, is that we had historically not won games like this, where it's grinded out, it's physical, it's three yards, it's four yards, is limiting them to not being able to run the football. They're a good offensive line, one best in country.

So that's just a long way to say that I was proud of the effort that we put forth this week. And we're probably going to play four wide receivers again this week on Friday night. So we'll see how that goes. Yeah, well, you gave us a lot of tape. USC host Iowa this week and then goes up to Eugene the following week. Pretty rough two-week stretch for your team.

Not an easy two-week stretch, but... Physical stretch. It's a physical stretch. Yeah, but Lincoln just learned, you know, stick with King Miller and bang away. And, you know, don't be afraid to punt or put a third string quarterback in at punter wearing his number and cheat, you know, either way. We'll get to a second. How much time do you have right now? I want to get into something about college football rankings.

I don't know. You always have like... Talk, baby. It's your show. Go. What do you got? You got somewhere to go with that. Okay.

You're good. I think we do a couple things really bad about how we talk about college football wins, okay? And we do this thing where we talk about ranked wins, all right, Gabe. And the way I do it is I take it based on the week you played that team. So if you beat, if Oregon beats Penn State and week five and their number three in the country, that's a ranked win. If Alabama beats Florida State, or actually they lost to Florida State, whatever it was, or South Carolina was ranked early season who's not good now, and you beat that team. That's a ranked win. It's a ranked win. It is, okay?

Now, the nuance behind that is saying, hey, man, Penn State probably wasn't the third best team in the country. They were ranked high because of preseason rankings. They were all semi-final team. They returned a bunch of guys. and then they haven't won since then. So the context of that is all of that, right? But the fact is Oregon went into Penn State, in a whiteout, off a buy with their roster as it is,

and they won that game. That counts as a ranked win. They beat Iowa. That counts as a ranked win. Whether Iowa's ranked or not this week is, to me, irrelevant. By the way, this is a topic for all teams. I'll give you an example. Alabama beat Missouri a few weeks ago on the road.

Great win. Missouri is 15th in the country. They're not ranked anymore because they lost their quarterback. That still counts as ranked win. In that week, they were ranked, and then we talk about the nuance of each victory when we talk about each team's resume. You can't just pick and choose the week that the standings come out,

whether that's a ranked winner. How dumb is that, Gabe? Let's say that Iowa is not ranked this week, okay, and then rank the following week. So this week, Oregon doesn't have any ranked wins, and next week we have one? Come, how dumb is that discussion, right? So to me, you take it as it is in the given week,

and then you use the context moving on from that. Like to claim that Oregon's win at Penn State was anything less than what it was because they stink afterwards. Oregon broke Penn State, Gabe. If Penn State wins that game, do you think they lose to USC in the next, I mean, not USC, UCLA next week?

No, they beat UCLA next week. And Drew Allen is still healthy probably, and Franklin still there. And, you, Indiana had a great win this weekend at Penn State. They get, like, full credit for, winning that game on the road. Orgy gets no credit for beating a better Penn State team on the road four weeks before that. I know this is Oregon rant, but I have this problem with how we talk about ranked wins. They count for the week. You play them. That counts. And then let's talk about the nuance

beyond that. We get to talking about resumes. I hate how we do this. It's really a dumb conversation. It's silly. You can't just pick and choose which week we want to count ranked wins. I'm with you, buddy. I was just listening to you preach. And I would add to that, I mean, it's sort of implied. But there are teams out there who lost to Texas Tech or BYU or some team that's been steadily climbing this whole time, right? BYU didn't start the season ranked if I'm, I believe. Like a couple teams. I think they were ranked like low 20s, whatever. All right.

Well, maybe they're the wrong examples. But you get what I'm saying. There are teams that wind up in that top 10, top 15 range who started nowhere and beat somebody week three. And then you go, well, wait a second. And that was kind of like an impossible game for us to win. Well, so that's the flip side of it, right? Where a team was unranked, I beat them running the season.

And now, okay. So, but again, I can't, but the way I look at it, that doesn't count as a ranked win because you didn't beat them at the moment. No, no, no. I'm saying that's if you lose to that team. I'm with you.

Oh, well, so that's, okay. So, but because teams change so much, I don't know how to process. that I'll give you a great example because I'm gonna get to this other point in a second. Like I'll get to the point now with what I'm saying. So I'm gonna call over a place here. Okay, so like Notre Dame in Miami are battling to see like who's gonna be an at large bid in the cultural playoff right? And they played head to head in week one and Notre Dame lost by three on the road. Okay. And people are gonna use that head to head as a determination between which team is

better. I would argue right now the Notre Dame would beat Miami if they played. Yes. And so how much does it matter that you played someone in week one? That's kind of my point about like teams evolve. So if you beat, let's say your example, BYU, you lose to BYU in week two. And they're now ranked in X, whatever they're going to be this week. Does that count as a better loss?

I don't know because the teams are so different now, right? Like your team, Edmund flows throughout the season that that's why I think it's just a snapshot at that given week of what happened. and then you talk about where those teams are now, but you don't discredit what happened in that week. It's a tough discussion because people just don't understand that nuance behind it. But I think we look at this totally wrong every single season,

and we have to have just one uniform way to do it, which is what they're ranked in that week counts as ranked win or ranked loss, and then we discuss how those teams move throughout the season. That's my rant on rankings. I can't stand it. We'll see what happens this week with Oregon. I mean, they got dropped in the last. an AP poll game because Old Miss beat Citadel.

And that must have been so important that... They leapfrog them, yeah. They leapfrog them, which is AP poll as a matter. I'm curious what the playoff, how it matters for the playoffs this weekend. But I just think that that, I just hate how we do that in college football. It feels dumb. We don't do any other sport, obviously.

So that's... I'm with you, and I think one of the problems is that when you go back and you look at most of the, you know, sites that list game schedules. and you go back and you look at it. It literally displays. I was looking at BYU while we were talking. It displays them as a 12 in all of their previous games as well.

So I'm looking at their Colorado game and I see them ranked 12 and I'm like, oh, wow, unranked Colorado versus BYU is 12. They weren't 12 at the time. And Colorado, you know, that's just how it lists it. Well, if you look at, no, it shouldn't. It shouldn't. If you look at like Colorado's schedule, it'll list BYU, I think, and what they're ranked in that week.

If I'm looking at BYU's schedule, they are ranked 12 in every previous game, even though they were obviously not 12. You have to look at the opponent's schedule. So for example, Colorado, on their schedule, BYU's 25th in that game. Yeah, that's right. So that's how you do.

So that reflects it accurately. Okay. So I've done a lot of research on this. So, okay. one more thing called Triple-W-W is we'll probably be done with this. UCLA's moving to SoFi Stadium.

Something that maybe only four people care about, but it's an hour in and we can talk about it, Gabe, because we're both Los Angeles people. UCLA's playing the Rose Bowl for years, okay?

And they're moving to SoFi, I think. The reason why the Rose Bowl, and I love the Rose Bowl, but I think I'd like 50, 50 games. And I they have to move for the Rose Bowl, Gabe, but SoFi to me is a terrible idea.

And I don't know why teams just don't spend the money on building their own stadiums on campus. I hated this news when I saw it. Obviously, no fan of UCLA football. Big fan of the Rose Bowl. Huge fan of that being a place where USC goes every other year.

And I have no love for SoFi whatsoever. And all I could wonder was well who's going to play home games there? Like what a complete and total waste. Yeah, it's dead. But it's like the best college football venue in the country and it won't have a team? Yeah, I mean, I, yeah, I guess not.

You said you should build an on stadium campus. It's that simple. Like that's that's the solution. This isn't SimCity though. You can't just build, you know, multi-billion dollar stadiums wherever you play. please we've got like a hundred of them in this city. Build the ones we've got.

Drake Stadium. Refurbish it. If they already have a stadium on campus, track stadium, just refurbish it and be done with it. It's that simple. It's not that hard to get done. Come on. Oh,

oh, the neighbors won't like it. Okay. Like, so. Come back to your home city, Jeff. We got other things to spend money on around here. But you know what? We don't have time for this. You still have to spend like a billion dollars to get out of the Rose Bowl lease.

Spend that money on building new stadium. It's not very hard. I'm with it. you. I'm with you, but we can't debate this any longer. We've got, we've got bills to pay. So do they. I know. Okay. We'll, uh, we'll be back on Thursday. We won four and one this week, Gabe. So we'll be back on Thursday. And we'll just not going to talk about Texas at all. Nope. Nope. I'll just be sure that's not going to happen. All right. We'll be back on Thursday. Okay, everybody.