Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - Fantasy Drafting Entire Position Groups

Episode Date: July 20, 2021

Geoff is joined this week by Matt Ford and producer Nick Wiener to draft NFL position groups. They take turns drafting different units from across the league to build their super teams. This ...exercise shows how they value different position groups, which teams have the most elite units, and how each host views team building. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 it's tuesday july 20th i'm jeff schwartz alongside matt and nick and this is jeff schwartz is smarter than you we have a special episode lined up we're going to do a uh drafting of teams by position units we're all going to have seven picks we're going to snake draft and we'll have a little bit of fun as we get to football because football guys it's happening this week as you listen to this the dallas cowboys and pittsburgh steelers are reporting to training camp for the Hall of Fame game. Before we know it, people, bodies, will be on the field practicing. Matt, I know you're excited for this as well.
Starting point is 00:00:34 Nick as well. It'll be a fun little show today. But how are you doing, buddy? Yeah, doing good. Excited to get players back in camp. Some interesting comments from Michael Irvin today about his Cowboys not getting vaccinated. But today we're not talking about COVID. We're talking about the best units across the NFL,
Starting point is 00:00:52 and we're getting Nick from beyond the computer screen. He's in the stream yard today. He's ready to make some picks. I'm excited to have Nick. How are you doing, buddy? What's up, guys? Excited to join. I put a decent amount of research
Starting point is 00:01:05 into this one. That makes one of us. If I'm being honest, I only put in research for one team per position group. So if you guys steal my pick, I'm going to have to wing it. But other than that, I think I'm ready to go. That's fantastic.
Starting point is 00:01:22 I'm glad you put some research into it. Somehow Matt ended up with the first pick which is the easiest pick in this entire draft so we'll snake draft matt nick and i'll go third or fourth and we'll kind of make our way through this um so let's let's build some teams and matt uh i know you're probably gonna take the washington football team uh quarterback but uh if you choose not to do that what what direction do you go with pick number one? It's got to be the Houston Texans running backs for me, Jeff. You got David Johnson and you got Mark Ingram.
Starting point is 00:01:52 I am going to obviously take the Chiefs quarterbacks. Shocking. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and get a massive edge over you guys with Pat Mahomes and the ghost of Chad Eddy. Not a ton of research needs to be said here pat mahomes for team matt yeah this one's the easiest one in all the board um and you know we're all gonna choose quarterbacks we'll see who the top three wins are all right nick who are you going with next well leading into this i had the first pick i'm i traded out with matt because i i figured that the gap between
Starting point is 00:02:27 mahomes and either rogers or wilson whichever one i end up with will i looked at it like a fantasy draft no one takes a quarterback in the first round i think that the difference between them is not that big i think there was one position group that really stood out i think i'm gonna go with the buccaneers linebacking group uh being the strongest linebacking group in the league having two guys that can guard anyone from thomas kelsey to tyree kill at least when he lines up inside having levante david and devin white being able to go from side to side of the field really opens things up for them so i think i'm gonna going to go with the Bucs linebacking group. Jeff, you look surprised.
Starting point is 00:03:09 Yeah, I would not have taken a linebacking crew to be the lead pick of your draft considering that. It's smart though. He's basically saying he'll take the third best quarterback and he gets the best other unit left. That's smart. Yeah, but the best other unit left that's smart yeah but the best other unit left is not the linebacking crew for the Bucs so that's part of it as well
Starting point is 00:03:30 that's like that's it's not it's not a value position all right well I guess I get to pick the quarterback that I want but in the same scenario I could choose another position that I wanted because I have the pick three and four so I could do I kind of do whatever I want here.
Starting point is 00:03:45 Okay. So we assume this is for one season, right? One season. Yeah. I think we're trying to win the championship this year. Okay. I'm trying to win the championship this year. I'm taking Tom Brady as my quarterback.
Starting point is 00:03:58 That's that simple. Wow. And by the way, we should say you can only, you can only pick one unit per team, right? So this is your Bucs pick. Oh, okay. Oh, I didn't even know that. Okay, so we can only pick the Bucs one time.
Starting point is 00:04:13 That's right. So let's clarify that. You may have said it in the rules, but this was the one rule that I think we should all follow. Oh, there were no rules set at all. I didn't know the rules. Okay, so you can only pick one. Okay, perfect.
Starting point is 00:04:24 Okay, so I'm taking – that's fine with me. Tampa Bay, I'm taking – for one season. I get one season. I get Tom Brady, and I get the Browns offensive line. So I get Tom Brady not getting hit the entire season. I will take that with my fourth pick, the Browns offensive line. I love what they're doing in Cleveland. I get Bill Callahan, a fantastic offensive line coach. get a bunch of all pro level players and on on that team
Starting point is 00:04:49 um i get tom brady who continues to win play at a high level and i get the best offensive line i'll take it matt i will nicks up now nick you're up sticking with my theme of value above replacement, looking through this receivers and tight ends groups, there's only one elite tight end on here. We didn't even have the Niners listed because their receiving core didn't seem to be as good as everyone else's. I'm going to go with the Chiefs receiving group, making sure I get Travis Kelsey, which helps my line play out a decent amount. I get a great blocker, and then I get depth in the wide receiver position.
Starting point is 00:05:27 You get Hill, Hardman, Robinson, drafted Powell this year. I'm going to go with them for their depth and mainly for their tight end. Wow, you're going like straight fantasy draft here. This is how you draft in fantasy football. You're not even going team, but you took two positions that I would argue should be drafted near the end of any draft for team roster building. I know you're saving your quarterback, but... I would perfectly agree,
Starting point is 00:05:50 but I'm still... Look at this. I am still ending up with Rodgers or Wilson. There's only three of us here. No, I understand that. It's very bold, because there's a lot of... All right. Well, there's... Matt, where are you going, buddy? This is not what i expected to be
Starting point is 00:06:06 looking at exactly at this stage in the draft um i you know i it's funny i do agree that um of the you have to look at this in terms of the the distance between the next group at each unit and i definitely i would agree with nick the linebackers for the bucks i had them rated really high um i did not have the chiefs rated super high obviously the browns offensive line rated high well so with that strategy in mind real quick it is very it's fair to point out though that nick take the chiefs receivers almost for travis kelsey right because the receiving core is not very good actually guys right tyreek hill's very good hardman robinson like the chiefs actually have there's a legit problem on their team especially offensively I mean it's the wide receivers
Starting point is 00:06:48 they have to find a way for those guys to be kind of stay to the next level now uh with what so that I understand that Kelsey's the big part of that all right Matt sorry to interrupt you go ahead no you're you're right I'm glad you pointed that out I am going to take here um I think the biggest advantage you can get is actually a different wide receiver and tight end group and i'm going to take the third tampa unit off the board here uh and take the tampa wide receiver and tight ends uh i like it you don't get a superstar you you could say i mean obviously gronk is um but you're getting solid players all around i mean just look at the tight ends here gr Gronk, O.J. Howard, and Cameron Brait.
Starting point is 00:07:27 There are teams where Brait would be the number one tight end. He's their number three. They obviously have Godwin and Evans. Tyler Johnson came on in the playoffs. Scotty Miller had a huge touchdown in the NFC Championship. That's a lot to work with with Pat Mahomes. I can figure the rest out there. They're going to be my next pick,
Starting point is 00:07:43 and then I have to figure out my final one. So why don't you analyze that for a second? Well, I mean, look, the Bucs, obviously, I'm just like, I can't believe that you guys are going this direction. Like I had this set up to like, I might end up with the best units of like every important position. So I'm very much enjoying you guys taking wide receivers, linebackers, and receiving cores.
Starting point is 00:08:04 Like this is fantastic. I get one more of that. I'm going to enjoying you guys taking wide receivers, linebackers, and receiving cores. Like, this is fantastic. I get one more of that. I'm going to take somebody off the board. We'll see if you take what I want off the board. I still have a lot of options here. But, no, look, the Bucs, obviously, they're receiving cores. And, look, I'll let you know, too, Tampa Bay is really good, right? We've taken three of their units out of six so far.
Starting point is 00:08:22 We've taken two of the Chiefs and three of the Bucs. I mean, those are the favorites as we head into the season. And they're favorites for a reason. They're very talented teams. Yeah, I agree. With my next pick, I'm going to take very important units. I'm going to take defensive line. And I'm doing this one for Hank, the producer of this show.
Starting point is 00:08:40 I'm going with the Washington football team, DL. You had to. I had to do it here. I knew I wasn't going to get a look at him again a little bit of a homer pick but not not really actually um if you're saying that if you're looking at the edge right washington has two guys in the top 11 with young and sweat they have three defensive tackles in the top 45 these are pff rankings by the way their third guys was rated higher than Sheldon Richardson. This is a loaded group.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Agreed. They could really make an impact in the game, so I'm going to take Washington's DL. This was the group I was hoping to take at some point. It was debating whether to take them or take the Bucs offensive line, excuse me, the Browns offensive line. This is a loaded group. It's the best offensive line in football,
Starting point is 00:09:26 and I'm 100% on board with you taking them. Nick, you're up. I think I'm going to give Jeff a heart attack. I think there's only – I'm looking at these units. Don't do it. There is only one team that has two number one running backs on their team. They put up 23 touchdowns across the two of them. They have the bruiser and the pass-catching specialist,
Starting point is 00:09:55 and they can easily switch roles at any time. I'm going with the Browns running back group. Give me Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, throw in Darnus Johnson, and I've got the best running back duo in the league. Jeff, how are you feeling? I mean, you draft – I get why you don't have to draft a quarterback right now. Like, I understand that because – I get that. I get why you don't have to draft a quarterback.
Starting point is 00:10:22 But a running back is just like – oh, man. It's just – you're just trying to get me to throw you off the show, aren't you? To Nick's credit, though, when you actually think about the delta between the other running back groups, like who's the second best running back group? Like we all had to do this and think this over. Like the distance between whoever you have rated at number two and the Chubb-Hunt duo, it's enormous. So, you know, Nick's getting what he thinks is the best in every position and letting quarterback go, which is smart because we already have ours.
Starting point is 00:10:52 Yeah, but you can make a case that McCaffrey and Chuba Hubbard this year in Carolina are going to have a huge season. You can make the case very easily that Zeke Elliott and Tony Pollard, with both those guys, with that offensive line being healthy, Dalvin Cook and Maddison, like there's a lot of cases to be made that there's multiple running back duos that could have the impact of Browns. And I have the Browns offensive line.
Starting point is 00:11:16 So like I have the best offensive line. Like that's a huge part of this. And we know that the running back often can be an offensive line stat stat basically all right so i'm up i'm up now right so i have um i have tom brady and i have the browns offensive line so now we're gonna get better at two important positions i'm gonna go with i'm not even sure they're on the board here for secondary uh oh they are on the board though yeah i'm going with the broncos secondary uh fuller darby patrick sirtan call, Simmons, Jackson, and Stearns. PFF has them as their rated number one unit heading into 2021.
Starting point is 00:11:54 They're loaded. I mean, they're going to have Darby, Fuller, and Sertan possibly on the bench to start the season. Like their number 10 pick on the bench. So I have Tom Brady now, the best offensive line, the best secondary unit in all of football. I like where I'm headed here. I'm going to be – and we know secondary.
Starting point is 00:12:14 Matt, I know you watch a lot of ball, same as I do. The data has said basically that secondary is more important than pass rush. I think they play hand-in-hand. Where do you fall on that? It's hard to say i mean i would definitely obviously given my pick lean towards uh the front seven i just think there's more ways you can create chaos and i don't know i mean when you think about the position groups for the secondary it's sort of like how i approach the tampa pick for the wide receivers
Starting point is 00:12:40 it's like you just need a lot of good guys It's really hard year to year to rely on a shutdown corner. Like even the best guys tend to fall, you know, a little bit each year. Gilmore or, you know, Alexander this year, we'll see like, there's usually some sort of fall off. So I would rather have a, you know, a loaded defensive end. And I feel like you can figure secondary out, but, but they are smarter than me. Yeah. So for the future, when we do this we're
Starting point is 00:13:06 gonna have to put pass rushers out of the linebacker group and we could do this moving forward me and you nick who have not chosen a defensive line like khalil mac for example and the bears he's listed he's a he's a pass rusher we're not putting him at linebacker so just fyi and like building a defensive line you're allowed to put like he's he's a he's a pass rusher like he didn't play linebacker so um all right because i look i i want a defensive line i already took the browns offensive line i would take the browns defensive line which i cannot do so i have to choose a a defensive line here um and look there's a lot of good ones i mentioned the bears right hicks and you have khalil mack eagles with cox
Starting point is 00:13:41 and graham and and young uh barnett uh the, obviously, with Donald and A'shaun Robinson. Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh as well. I kind of lean to take the Niners here. I kind of lean to take the Niners here. Bosa and Armstead inside. Kinlaw in year two. Dee Ford.
Starting point is 00:14:01 But I get Bosa and Armstead together, healthy. I'll go with them because I think Bosa is one of the better players at that position. I would lean Rams with Donald, but I just – like do I take the best player in all of football? Like that's – like I could, but then I don't have – I'd rather go Niners. I'm a more complete defensive line.
Starting point is 00:14:24 So I'll go Niners here, defensive line. I like where my team is headed. It's funny, Jeff. You basically laid out the team-building problems of the Rams and the 49ers. The Rams have one awesome guy in a few positions, and they're like, this is good enough, we think. And then the 49ers are just loaded. I would either have Pittsburgh, depending on what you classify T.J. Watt as,
Starting point is 00:14:45 or San Francisco as the pick here. For this exercise, he is a pass rusher. He's not a linebacker. He rushed the passer. I just hate how we designate that for Pro Bowl and All-Pro vote. I bitched about this for a long time. So if you're choosing a defensive line, you want the Steelers, you can have T.J. Watt on that unit for this exercise.
Starting point is 00:15:08 Okay. Nick, you're up, up buddy where are you going here is it quarterback time well honestly it was probably the Steelers pass rush unit but there's I don't have any rush there now that you guys have both filled out your pass rushing units so I think I'm going to sure up my secondary first I'm going to get Marlon Humphrey and Marcus Peters opposite each other who I think is the best quarterback duo in the league think I'm going to sure up my secondary first. I'm going to get Marlon Humphrey and Marcus Peters opposite each other, who I think is the best quarterback duo in the league. So I'm going to go with the Ravens secondary. I like it. Good secondary.
Starting point is 00:15:33 Second best secondary. I think people have, you know, heading into the season, the Broncos. Obviously love my pick there, but Ravens are very much up there. The thing I worry about Peters, though, is, you know, he's just, he looks in the backfield too much for me. It's kind of feast or famine for him. The feast is very good. We know that.
Starting point is 00:15:53 But I like the Ravens pick anyways, though. The Peters thing has always kind of bothered me about him. But very good. So I also think at the end of this by the way guys let's pick a coach too maybe more i like it um all right next up i think matt you're up or is nick having nick is up again no i think we've got matt with that oh matt okay you're up buddy yeah i've got two here hmm interesting way the board has shaken out i know know that Jeff's not going to take a running back until the very last round. So I'm not going to rush there.
Starting point is 00:16:30 And I've got a little bit of time on secondary. So why don't I do this? I'm going to take the Colts offensive line here. I'm going to, I'm going to go with them. I had them graded second out of all the offensive lines. There's a lot of argument you could have here for maybe Tampa or another one. But I just think that with Nelson and Kelly, even though they haven't had a good quarterback since Andrew Luck was there, they've still been really productive on offense.
Starting point is 00:16:59 And I would give most of that credit to the offensive line. So I'll go with them, even though I like some others. Jeff, was that the right one to do there? I think the Colts are the right one to do there. I think the Colts are good. I think – I keep saying this. It's really weird because Quinn Nelson has done a great job. He just gets all the love for offensive guard.
Starting point is 00:17:19 There's plenty of other guards that are really good in the NFL. The one concern with the Colts is left tackle. I mean, you have to hope Fisher is healthy and ready to play. I think the offensive line is interesting because the Chiefs are a good pick as well. The Cowboys are healthy, fantastic. 49ers, and there's a lot of good offensive line. The Colts is probably a very safe bet here. You know what you're getting with them.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Yeah, it feels right. And with a great running back that I'll end up with, I think that will make it look really good. And for my second pick here, I'm going to go with the 49ers linebackers. If you loop Dee Ford into this group, it makes it really obvious. But, you know, Fred Warner had a breakout season last year. I think that's sort of overlooked because of how bad San Francisco was. Dre Greenlaw is solid next to him.
Starting point is 00:18:07 Yeah, if you throw Dee Ford in there, then you've got inside and outside. It feels like San Francisco always figured out up the middle on the defensive end. So I'll go with Fred Warner in the 49ers. Love it. Warner can fly, man. He can move. I like this pick here. I feel like all our teams are
Starting point is 00:18:29 pretty freaking good. It's going to be tough to determine who is the best team as we get to the end here. All right, Nick, you are up. I will finally get my offensive line, even though I think you both have already filled out your lines.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Yes. I will go with the Cowboys unit returning to an elite unit. I see PFF has them graded sixth coming into the season. So I know that there are a few lines that have been graded a little bit better. But with Tyron Smith coming back, Lyle Collins returning from injury, Zach Martin is one of the best guards in the league. I think I got a pretty strong unit that should be returning to its former glory this year.
Starting point is 00:19:15 So I'm going to go with the Cowboys. It's a good unit, man. You have multiple Hall of Famers on that offensive line, and you're exactly right. If they can be healthy, you're a fantastic group of offensive linemen here. You're up again. Let's do this. Oh, you're up, Jeff.
Starting point is 00:19:31 Before you go, Jeff. Yeah, you have two. I'm curious how you rate the top maybe five O-lines now that we've all picked ours. Yeah, so I think if you're looking at like a – I like to do tiers. I think rankings to me, you know, one, two, three, four. I think tiers. I think if you look at an offensive line, it's Browns, Colts, Saints, Bucs, and Chiefs are probably the top.
Starting point is 00:19:56 You look at the Cowboys. I need to see them healthy, right? Plus there's some question with Connor Williams and at center as well. Patriots, same thing. I just want to see them kind of healthy all back together. The Niners, you know, how's Alex Mack, how's Aaron Banks going to be in that offense? You know, Lincoln isn't really, I like Lincoln a lot,
Starting point is 00:20:16 just kind of not as good as the other guys. I think that's where the top offensive lines are. The Ravens should be good just because they're the Ravens, right? That offensive line and that offense has just been really good. So I think that's kind of where the top units are. I think there's other ones across the league that can appear quickly, depending on certain younger players being able to play.
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Starting point is 00:21:16 Sounds good. Well, O-Line is all picked because we have an offensive line that hosts this podcast. So where are you going for your next one? Talking. All right. So I'm going to go wide receiver and linebacker here uh but the one question i have is i'm gonna pull up the depth chart real quick on some a team that's not listed
Starting point is 00:21:34 here for wide receiver um which is pretty i just gotta see their tight end is i think i know who it is but i don't want to say anything back is that people are gonna be like you don't put into my favorite team um it first sir is that who you're looking up? No, I'm not looking up Ferkser. I was right about it. Tim Tebow is the tight end of the Jaguars in case you didn't know. You're exactly right. A little LaVisca Chenault action.
Starting point is 00:21:56 Love that. I'm going to go with the Dallas Cowboys wide receiving core just because I think they're top to bottom, all three guys, the three guys they expect to play this year, that you're not going to find a better trio, I don't think. Amari Cooper, Michael Gallup, and CeeDee Lamb. Like, you know, I don't think – you add in Blake Jarwin. Are you finding a better trio than that?
Starting point is 00:22:18 I mean, the Bucs trio is good, but not that good, right? That's a good question. I think, look, I feel like those guys, Cooper is, I think, now underrated. He went from one of the most, I think, overrated guys in the league to one of the most underrated. He's super productive every year when he's healthy. Gallup, to me, is like this flash-in-the-pan guy who you can't really count on but has a ton of talent um
Starting point is 00:22:45 and lamb i look everyone loves lamb this year i think he could be an absolute breakout guy i mean you've got you've got a very very solid trio there um it's hard to argue with that pick i think that the jarwin thing is a little concerning but when you look at the other options available that's why i took the buck so early there aren't that many that are really solid from top to bottom. The third one of these is impossible. It's like Dallas, Tennessee, maybe Green Bay, maybe the Vikings, maybe the Seahawks. What do you do?
Starting point is 00:23:15 I think part of it that's really tough is I think a tight end is so important in the NFL now. Now when we're choosing just separate – receiving units as a whole, you do have to include the tight end. For example, I love Darren Waller, but Ruggs and Renfro and Brennan, I'm not choosing those wide receivers. I already took the Niners pass rush. This is where a spot, I think the Niners receiving core with Kittle
Starting point is 00:23:40 would have been – I would have taken them here if I hadn't taken them earlier, right? I mean, Iuke and Debo Samuel, that would have been probably the spot that I'd go, but I don't have that choice here. So let's end up taking – I feel good about the Cowboys receiving. All right, linebacker or running back, you know I'm not going – well, you know what? Let me just – I'm going to take a look at the linebackers.
Starting point is 00:24:02 What do we have? So right now on the cheat sheet, we have... 49ers and the Bucs are gone. I took San Francisco, and Nick took the Bucs first. And you took the Browns running backs. Yeah, I'm just by principle, I can't take a running back here.
Starting point is 00:24:18 I just can't do it. Just can't do it. All right, linebacking core. There's a couple to choose from. I like the versatility of the Patriots, right? They're going to have a good linebacking core this year with kind of everyone rotating back around. But it's a little older core. The Colts, Darius Leonard kind of bolsters that entire unit.
Starting point is 00:24:40 Steelers, Bush coming back off injury. The Bears with Roquan Smith, trade them in the middle. I'm going with the Seahawks and what Bobby Wagner can do defensively. I think he makes up for a lot of issues they can do. Plus, he can run, man. You have to be able to run a linebacker in this league. So I'll go with the Seattle Seahawks linebacking core to round out almost my entire team now.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Yeah, pretty thin group. The Seattle defense really melted down last year. I think a little surprising when you look at PFF's linebackers. You've got Wagner graded number two and then no other Seahawk on the list. But you are getting probably the best
Starting point is 00:25:22 linebacker in football, so probably not a bad decision there. I mean, yeah, the depth. But really, there's no other linebacking crew that I think has that much depth. I mean, I think, what, the Bears? Dallas, the Bears. I guess. I already took Dallas as wide receivers, though, so I'm out there.
Starting point is 00:25:44 All right, who is up next? I always lose order of these. You got Nick next. All right, Nick, you're up. I think I'm finally going to get a quarterback to lead this team of mine. And for me, it comes down to Rodgers and Wilson. I think that's pretty obvious. Allen, I thought about.
Starting point is 00:26:00 Lamar Jackson, I gave some thought. But I think Rodgers and Wilson have a bit more of a winning track record. I think the thing that nudges the Packers group ahead is you have Jordan Love backing up Aaron Rodgers, motivating him to be a better quarterback. I think that everyone overlooked. Everyone complained about Jordan Love getting picked in the first round, and you see the stat all the time that Aaron Rodgers
Starting point is 00:26:24 has never thrown to a first round receiver, but the Packers knew what they were doing and motivating Aaron Rodgers. And they got an MVP season out of him just by drafting Jordan Love. So I'll take that duo quarterback spot. Well, here's Nick motivating Aaron Rodgers even more by picking the Packers and only mentioning Jordan Love and letting it slip until the ninth round. This is genius.
Starting point is 00:26:48 Team building here to get Aaron Rodgers with a chip on his shoulder. Do you expect Aaron Rodgers to be back this year? Because otherwise, if you're just drafting, maybe he doesn't come back and you're drafting Jordan Love here and your team is screwed. It's very bold. I wouldn't say screwed. I got Jordan Love. It's a big name.
Starting point is 00:27:04 I think he would play for this team jeff i think uh you know we got the the wide receivers and the running backs picked pretty early so i think he i think he would show up too bad too bad nick's team can't rush the passer at all that is that is lightly concerning uh so i guess i get to round my team out here with my last pick. I have two needs left. It's running backs and defensive backs. Let me start with defensive backs. I haven't picked any Browns units yet, and I thought I was going to have a tough time figuring out which Browns unit I wanted.
Starting point is 00:27:39 I'll go ahead and take them here at the secondary. Look, you have Denzel Ward, elite cornerback who's young they signed uh john johnson the safety they have two elite safeties now um they drafted greg newsome to be uh the other corner alongside ward um just a really good group and i think maybe more noteworthy than the browns secondary is the fact that you could make an argument for the Browns for almost every position group here. In fact, I think other than quarterback and maybe linebacker, you could say the Browns belong in conversation for every single unit here, which is only true of the Bucs and maybe the Chiefs, which I just found really surprising as we were preparing for this. The Browns are supremely talented. They're the most talented team in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:28:25 The issue for them is that they play in the same conference as Pat Mahomes. And Pat Mahomes is that much better than Baker Mayfield that he makes up any sort of deficiencies that the Chiefs have. So I like your team, Matt. You have running back now, right? Yes. I have to pick my running backs. Matt, you have running back now, right?
Starting point is 00:28:44 Yes, I have to pick my running backs. Who's going to pair best with this team? I think I mean, screw it, man. Just give me Derek Henry. Let's go. Try to stop this offense. I feel like in the end, though, all these
Starting point is 00:29:01 teams are going to be good. Choosing who the best one is, maybe we should leave it up to the audience. But yeah, man, you got a good football team. You got the end, though, all these teams are going to be good. Like choosing who the best one is, maybe we should leave it up to the audience. But, yeah, man, you've got a good football team. You've got the Pat Mahomes, Derrick Henry, the Bucs wide receivers, the Colto line. Look, you have, I think, the best – you know, you have the best defensive line, you know, a top three or four offensive line, a top two or three wide receiving unit.
Starting point is 00:29:24 Derrick Henry, Pat Mahomes, Browns. You've got a good team, Matt. top three or four offensive line a top two or three wide receiving unit uh derrick henry pat mahomes this is browns you had a good team matt obviously whoever had the first pick couldn't have fucked that up so i don't know how much credit we're going to give you on the pat mahomes thing but that makes your team very good all right nick you are up you saying that makes me very happy i traded out of the first pick and didn't have to hear about it um i will round out my team i'm looking at these d-line units i think even though we don't have tj watt listed on the d-line as long as i am i'll be going with the steelers defensive line unit you get hayward you get stefan to it you get tj wad that's three guys
Starting point is 00:30:05 that are in the top 10 at their positions or probably more like top 20 at their positions um yeah i'll go with that unit unit i know losing bud dupree uh is a bit of a concern for some people but they had a rookie last year alex high smith who had a higher pass rush win rate than Dupree. I mean, granted in lower usage rate, but I think they've got the guys to step in. They've got a good unit. So I'm going to go with them on my D-line. Worth pointing out that you also get Melvin Ingram, who just signed with the Steelers as we're recording this. So you get a bonus pass rusher.
Starting point is 00:30:42 Look at that. A bonus pass rusher here. That just happened? Yeah, it just happened. So Nick has the Packers quarterbacks, the Rodgers, the Browns running backs, the Chiefs wide receiving core, Cowboys O-line, Steelers D-line, Bucs linebackers, and the Ravens defensive back. So I get running back and coach here.
Starting point is 00:31:02 Is that what I get? Very good. So I'll go with the Panthers running back. Yeah, is that what i get very good so i'll go with uh the panthers running back yeah christian mccaffrey and chuba hubbard um because chuba hubbard is is legit this is a pretty good it's a pretty good unit here uh that i get here i can add to my offense uh you know tom brady loves throwing those short passes to the running back now i get him a running back that can really help um i love i love taking the panthers running backs here and i get coach and look i'll leave belichick to someone else
Starting point is 00:31:32 but andy reed give me big red my favorite coach ever into uh into coaching uh my coach spot i mean look i think uh belichick is the best coach of this era. I think that Andy Reid is right behind him. Andy Reid's given him the most shit over the years too. Like he's been very tough against him as well. Like he's been tough, man. But I'll go Andy Reid here just because I love myself some Big Red. I was getting ready to call BS on that because I couldn't believe
Starting point is 00:32:03 that you didn't have a Chiefs unit already on your team. I had to go look and make sure. I saw your face. I saw your face. You were like, ah. And I was like, no, no, nobody. I did not pick a chiefs unit yet. So who is up on the coach now?
Starting point is 00:32:17 Nick. I will go ahead and be the guy that takes Belichick. I am more interested to see what Matt does now because most of these units, we've narrowed down most of the good teams. He's got plenty of coaches left.
Starting point is 00:32:36 Let's see what Matt does. I'll take Belichick off the board. Matt, what are you thinking? Give me Sean McVay. I'm taking Sean McVay. Can you guys hear me? Yes. No. Matt, you had a great draft.
Starting point is 00:32:49 Sorry, I had a little bit of a lag. You had a great draft until now. Give me Sean McVay. I'm going to tell you why, Jeff. I have too many stars on my team. We don't know what we're going to do here. We need a hot shot coach who's going to put everybody in line. I need a way to scheme up these incredible wide receivers
Starting point is 00:33:09 that I've got with Pat Mahomes. There isn't a team in the league that could beat a McVay offense with this offensive package around it. I'm taking the Rams coach. So it's interesting. Looking at your team, though, you're out. You can't have Andy Reid. You can't have Aarons. You can't have Andrew Reid. You can't have Aarons.
Starting point is 00:33:25 You can't have Frank Reich. You can't have Kyle Shanahan or Stefanski. It's not the worst. I mean, who's the only other guy left? I mean, Pete Carroll, Mike Tomlin. That's one of those things. It's not a bad pick. Arthur Smith, as Hank put in there.
Starting point is 00:33:40 Wow, we have some amazing teams, guys. Let me read them off to you. I would like for you guys to either tweet at me, at Jeff Schwartz. We have a show page, I think. I'm not quite sure. Go put it in the comment section on iTunes about which unit you like. So here we go. You ready, guys?
Starting point is 00:33:57 Everyone can read their own, but I'll go first. Okay, I have Tom Brady at quarterback. I love it. I have the Panthers running backs, right? Christian McCaffrey, Chuba Hubbard. I have the Cowboys wide receiving core, the three best, I would imagine, in the NFL together
Starting point is 00:34:09 as a unit. The best offensive line, the Browns. Niners defensive line, Bobby Wagner and the Seattle Seahawks. Linebacking core, the Broncos defensive backs, Andy Reid as my coach. Yeah, no one's beating my team. Just FYI. Sorry. I'll go ahead and disagree with you, Jeff,
Starting point is 00:34:26 because I've got the best quarterback in Pat Mahomes, the best running back in Derrick Henry, the best receiving and tight end core in the Bucs, maybe the second best O-line in the Colts, the best front seven in the Washington football team, the 49ers, linebackers, the DBs of the Browns, and Sean McVay and rams coaching staff as my head coach you have a very good team um i can't believe nick trade out of the first spot that's that's
Starting point is 00:34:53 that's wild to me nick read your team buddy um so i'm coming in with aaron rogers at qb i can't believe i'm getting shit for having aaron rogers QB, for having the Browns running back group. I have the best tight end in the league to go with a pretty strong receiving core. I get the Cowboys O-line returning from injury back to its former glory. I get the best pass rushing unit in the league last year in the Steelers, by far the best and deepest linebacking group in the Bucs. I get a very strong two corner group in the bucks i got a very strong
Starting point is 00:35:25 two cornerbacks in the ravens group and i have bill belichick to lead my team yeah but you drafted linebackers first it's just automatically get shit on for drafting a position that you absolutely did not have to draft um all right best best units left on the board i think the browns defensive line was surely going to make it in here, but we just drafted the Browns' other positions, right? I mean, what was going to be – I would love to take them, but I took their offensive line instead. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Yeah. I'm surprised that no one even – there wasn't even on the cheat sheet to take the Browns' wide receiving core. The Browns have two very strong tight ends, two very strong. I think leading into last season, you'd see every football Instagram page was posting that the Browns are too deep at every single position. I got the two running backs,
Starting point is 00:36:16 but I was surprised not to see them as the wide receiving group. I feel like the talent in this league, there's a lot of talent, man, in this league. It's fun to see. It's going to be a fun season. There are some teams that had no units that I'd even consider that are supposed to be kind of good teams. Did anyone consider a Cardinals position group at any point? No. Did anyone consider a Giants position group at any point?
Starting point is 00:36:44 There were a few others. A.J. Green made me think about the Cardinals group at any point. There were a few others. A.J. Green made me think about the Cardinals group for a bit, but I think that's just a big name. I actually thought about the Bengals, speaking of A.J. Green, for their receivers. They're going to be a super fun receiving group, but there weren't a ton. You look through the league and there's a few teams
Starting point is 00:37:02 where you like one or two units, and then there's teams like the Browns and the Bucks and the Chiefs where it's every single unit belongs in this conversation. They feel that was my big takeaway. The Browns are effing loaded, man. They're going to be awesome. I would say this for a while. The Browns are going to,
Starting point is 00:37:18 I love the Browns over for the team total this year. They're fantastic. They're going to be good this year. The question is, is Baker Mayfield going to play as well this season with teams that understand this offense now? Again, can the Browns overcome
Starting point is 00:37:32 the Chiefs? Is Mayfield good enough to beat the Chiefs? That's the question. Yeah, it is. By the way, speaking of the AFC, no Bills units taken here. We took the Patriots coach, no Patriots unit, one Steelers unit, one Ravens unit.
Starting point is 00:37:48 Interesting. Interesting breakdown. Yeah. I mean, look, it's very clear. The Chiefs, Browns, and Bucs, good football teams. It's very clear, right? Yes, very clear. All right.
Starting point is 00:38:01 Well, this was a lot of fun. It's a good little thought experiment as we head into the season. Good to have Nick on here. Maybe a little crazy with his bucks pick the first on, but whatever. I love it. I love, I look,
Starting point is 00:38:11 I like the creativity, right? He didn't come on, not, not cookie cutter, not just saying what we're supposed to say. So I really did appreciate that. Matt,
Starting point is 00:38:19 as usual, very much enjoyed it. We have, we have some fun gambling stuff coming up. We're going to cover the entire NFL props. And we're going to, what did we discuss? We're going to have a pool, right? We're going to actually make these bets.
Starting point is 00:38:30 I think we said we are. As far as future bets, we're going to have a pool for every division. We'll have some fun stuff heading into August as we get ready for the season. We'll be back next week. We'll have players back in camp. We cannot wait. Have a great week, everyone. Talk to you guys then.

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