Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - Green Bay's Flashback, Joe Burrow's Playbook & Bill Belichick's Revenge

Episode Date: April 28, 2020

With the NFL's first virtual draft behind us, Geoff and Gabe get you smarter on how Aaron Rodgers might respond to Green Bay trading-up for a quarterback, what Joe Burrow's study happens really mean about the Bengals' gameplan and how Bill Belichick seems to be seeking vengeance New England. Cold Open: Trey Wingo Aaron Rodgers: (3:30) Joe Burrow: (16:47) Bill Belichick: (26:24) 'Move the Line' betting segment: (33:23) NFL Regular Season Schedule: (0:45) Burrow, rookies learn playbooks remotely: (10:20) Empty stadiums: (18:00) Rooney Rule expansion: (25:38) 'Move the Line' betting segment: (35:30) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We are still here to be a part of what is one of the great communal sports experiences of all time, the NFL Draft. From The Athletic, I'm Jeff Schwartz. Aaron Rodgers' ego got discount double-checked. Joe Burrow is way ahead of his peers, and Bill Belichick is giving Brady the finger through Jared Stidham. It is Tuesday, April 28th. This is Jeff Schwartz of Smartly. Welcome in, everyone. I am so thankful the NFL had their draft this weekend. I had the most fun I've had watching a draft game in so many years just to have sports back. Plus, the first year, I really studied intently the top of the draft. We did a mock draft as well. You nailed a pick, which we're going to get to in just a second.

But it was a ton of fun. I'm glad the NFL went forward with this. Before we get started, by the way, I think the winner of the weekend was Roger Goodell. He had a great weekend. He came across as a human. Yeah, he did. He was fun talking to all the fans. He had that great moment where he fake hugged a guy on FaceTime.

Yeah, I mean, listen, there's a lot of things that you get to throw at Roger Goodell every week if you pay attention to the NFL. For a few nights, he definitely nailed it. He had the tone right. And you know who else nailed it? And I've been kissing up to them on Twitter for days now, but I just want to say it again. The crew, especially Trey Wingo, of course, but the whole crew at ESPN working with the guys from NFL Network, that is an unbelievable technological lift, not to mention a production lift. Remember, the people in the control rooms, and you need a lot of people to make a show like that, had to be distanced from one another. This was unlike any other production any of them have

ever been a part of, and they nailed it. It was great. It was so much fun to watch. We were very lucky. And also, you mentioned Daniel Jeremiah. A lot of people had not heard really, they knew who he was, but the first time he was on ESPN. Yeah. And to work with the personalities that he never, he never worked with Trey Wingo before. He never worked with Mel Kiper in that capacity before. And he just slid in there seamlessly. I thought it was a great, to your point, a great broadcast. I could have done a little bit less of the sad stories every time someone got drafted.

I felt like I took away a little bit from the moment of excitement for the kid, even though I understand some of that is who they are, right? Those got a little bit much. But otherwise, I liked the telecast. I liked the feeling of sincere gratitude of being drafted. I feel like we got more of that this year with guys being at home rather than being with a camera in their face in their expensive suits in Las Vegas. We got just better reactions and all over the board, first round to fifth round. I thought the production was great. I don't know how they go back. They're going to obviously go back to live drafts at places,

but I hope they keep some of the elements of the humanity and the compassion and like some of the reactions of players and some of the stories that they had, because now we know they can do this. and the compassion and like some of the reactions of players and some of the stories that they had because now we know they can do this. Yeah, I totally agree with you. And I think it was very conscious choice by producers to recognize the moment and recognize also who their audience was going to be. This was a big live event that a lot of people were going to be watching with more of their family than usual. I mean, right. In most years, don't you and I just kind of make Thursday draft night like, don't bother me everyone i'm going in there to watch the draft

and this year it was a family event and you know i mean there were a lot of people watching with multiple generations maybe wives girlfriends folks who wouldn't normally care so adding the human touches i thought probably kept a lot more people interested and by the way best ratings ever i know everyone's stuck at home. Ratings were going to probably be pretty good. But man, that could have been a flop and it wasn't. So we'll start our show with the most human emotion that we could find. The emotion of anger, of animosity, of who knows what.

Aaron Rodgers is going to be your 2020 MVP. Book it now. That's basically how every single person that i follow on twitter responded when his team traded up in the first round to draft a quarterback utah state quarterback jordan love to be specific um basically rogers got farved okay and now everyone thinks it's gonna piss him off just enough to make him somehow even better. Here's the take. This is all a mind game by LeFleur in the front office. They know he's a chip on the shoulder kind of guy. They know this is going to piss him off so much.

This is actually going to make them better. And just to make sure he got the message, they gaslit him and said, he's going to be a quote unquote great mentor. Holy hell. What are they trying to do to this guy? He's going to lose his mind and it will make them better this year. It will not make them better this year, but also they didn't draft a wide receiver the entire draft, which is their number one need. And this is the deepest wide receiver draft in years. They didn't draft one. They drafted a downhill running back and an age tight end with a third pick as well. I don't look. The parallels to Favre make only a little bit of

sense if you just take it for what it is. They draft a first round quarterback when their other quarterback was getting the end of his career. But there's many differences between Favre's situation and Rodgers and Rodgers and Love. First of all, Rodgers was projected to be the top pick in the draft. Alex Smith went that year. Rodgers slid all the way down. It was a supreme value in pick number 23 where he was taken. All right. Jordan Love was the fourth quarterback.

He traded up to get him, right? So not the same situation. Secondly, I went and researched this. I looked it up. get him, right? So not the same situation. Secondly, I went and researched this. I looked it up. Brett Favre came back for 2005 season after saying he was going to retire. Then he told the team, I have one year left. I'm coming back for this season. So it made sense for the Packers to draft a replacement of high value when Aaron Rodgers slid to the back end of the first round. This is not the situation. You just paid Aaron Rodgers. Realistically, you cannot get out of Aaron Rodgers slid to the back end of the first round. This is not to do it. You just paid Aaron Rodgers.

Realistically, you cannot get out of Aaron Rodgers' deal until 2022, and you would still incur a $17 million cap. Can you trade him? Sure, you can trade him. The money is so grand, though, it's going to be hard, in my opinion, to find a suitable trade partner that would want Aaron Rodgers. So basically, you have drafted a first-round pick who's not going to play for three seasons. And I'll tell you this, the Packers players do not like this pick. I understand that they are not in the front office. I get that. But

players understand the value of draft picks and what each mean because they went through the process themselves. And the Avengers have now seen what happens when you draft it on the first, second, third round and so on, right? And what you're telling your team is off a 13-3 season, off a year you went to the NFC Championship game. And look, the numbers show there might have been a flawed 13-3, whatever. Players aren't looking at that, right? Players are looking at wins and losses and how they do each and every week.

They're not looking at the metrics of how bad the 13-3 team they were. They don't care about that. The message you're sending to your players is we don't want to win now. That's the message because you could have added a wide receiver to your team to help them now. Instead, you're worried about 2022. And Gabe, lastly on this before I let you come back at me now, we have got to understand the idea of the value of draft picks, right? What a first rounder means and what a fourth rounder means. If you draft a

quarterback in the fourth round, that guy's not coming into play. He's coming in to be a backup and hopefully one day he's a Russell Wilson, a Dak Prescott, right? He's a lightning in a bottle, okay? When you draft a guy in the first round, you draft him to play. Right. So the idea is you drafted his back to motivate Aaron Rodgers. This is a silly waste of value to motivate Aaron Rodgers to bring in a guy who doesn't help his team, doesn't help him. And then you force him to be a mentor, which we're going to hear in just a second. Well, OK, fine. So I was being a little bit sarcastic. By the way, when you say stupid things now, you could just get to say you were sarcastic and that's okay. You're allowed to do that. So I was being a little bit sarcastic off the top. I don't actually think this was a calculated mind game for basically all the reasons

you just said, but it will have that effect. Okay. Aaron Rodgers has always been a chip on a shoulder guy. He has always wanted to shove it up the you know what of anyone who doubted him. Okay. That's driven his whole career. The odd part is doing it from within his own organization. Now, if we think that he was going to learn from the experience, which we know was awful for him those first two or three years in Green Bay,

if we think he's going to learn and somehow do the opposite and be a good mentor, that's insanity. Ask anyone who's ever been hazed if when it's their time to be the big guy, if they don't want to haze any longer. That's not how it works okay especially not in this the culture of football so this notion that coach is putting out there that he's going to be a great mentor dude you can't will that into being reality Aaron Rodgers ain't doing jack for this kid I'm glad you

mentioned if you guys if you if you take one thing away from the podcast I take away what I'm about to tell you what you think a mentor is is not what a mentor is in the NFL. All right? The idea of mentorship in the NFL is taking someone aside. You pick a rookie out, you bring him into your life, and you mentor him, right? Aaron Rodgers answering Brett Hundley's questions, who, by the way, was never a threat to take over for him,

or to Sean Kaiser's questions, is not being a mentor, right? That's not being a mentor. Asking questions, answering them in the middle of film review and talking about installing plays. That's not being a mentor. That's a normal teammate. Everyone does that, right? We all talk to each other.

We ask questions. We ask our coach. We ask our teammates. It's pulling players aside and mentoring them. I'll give you an example. I was mentored. I know the feeling. Jordan Gross in Carolina, he pulled me aside. I lifted with his group. I watched film with him.

He changed my stance. He took an actual, he actually cared about how I played, how I felt, how I prepared. That's what mentorship is. It's not just doing basic, nice teamwork stuff, which is what, look, guys who play with Rodgers for the most part have said, great teammate. Yeah, okay, fine. I believe that. But there's a different part of the mentoring part. And we look at the history of the NFL, guys, and we see that most often these veteran quarterbacks don't mentor the young guys. Eli Manning flat said, I'm not mentoring Daniel Jones. It is not my job to mentor him, which is true. It's not Aaron Rod to mentor him, which is true.

It's not Aaron Rodgers' job. Aaron Rodgers is being paid by the Packers to win football games. He's not being paid to pull Jordan Love aside after a film meeting and sit with him for 30 minutes and teach him more stuff about the NFL. Joe Flacco didn't want to do it. Big Ben didn't want to do it. Joe Montana didn't want to do it. These guys don't want to do it. Brett Favre didn't want to do it.

Brett Favre wasn't going to do it. And guess what they all turned out fine anyways like the idea that you need to have this mentor quarterback position I would say that I would never have turned out as a seventh round draft pick as good as I as I got to be without Jordan Gross's help these guys are first round draft picks they are special players I think we got jaded because what Alex Smith did for Pat Mahomes, where Pat Mahomes and Andy Reid and the Chiefs credit Alex Smith with helping Pat Mahomes get ready. Now, I still contend Pat Mahomes would have been a superstar.

Maybe it takes a little longer without help from Alex Smith. But I felt like Alex Smith went out of his way to make sure Pat was ready. And there's a difference between just answering questions in a meeting meeting and being good teammate and then the extra part of mentoring that extra part is what we don't is is what people do not understand what mentorship is i had nfl players hit me up on twitter say yeah man you're right about this like because that that is what the extra part of mentorship is i have been friendly with teammates of mine i have not mentored them there's a couple guys i tried to mentor some guys don't want that help. So the idea that he's going to mentor him is such bullshit.

It's not going to happen. And guess what, Packer fans? It's okay. If Jordan Love is going to be good, he's going to be good with or without the help of Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, you know how Brett Favre used to mentor Aaron Rodgers? He would make him watch film for him and then come in and tell him to

explain what he was seeing and then steal what he said in the meetings. That's how he would mentor him. He would alienate him. And you know what Aaron Rodgers did, by the way? And if we're going to get into the mindset of a quarterback, a superstar quarterback, a Hall of Fame quarterback who's maybe getting a shot in the arm from his own team. Aaron Rodgers used to ball out with the first with the second team offense when they would practice. Right. He would embarrass the first team defense when Favre was around to try to show coach, hey, look, I can do this. Is there a chance? And that made Favre pretty angry and that probably made Favre hang around another year or two longer than he should have. Favre pretty angry, and that probably made Favre hang around another year or two longer than he should have. Is there a chance that Jordan Love can spark something in Aaron Rodgers inadvertently? Forget how stupid this is for every other reason you said. Could it have some positive effect?

Well, sure, it can have some positive effect. But in the back of Aaron Rodgers' mind, he knows that contractually, he's there for two more years. I mean, unless they trade him, like I said. But his cap hit next year is like $45 million dollars he's going to trade for a 45 million dollar quarterback who's 37 years old and look if you want to use the the excuse that well he gets hurt often so we drafted jordan love for that reason i mean that's flimsy i guess i mean it's sort of okay but go get a veteran quarterback right if you don't need to have drove i also think that there's this idea gabe, by the way, that there's some good examples of it. You have to have that stud backup quarterback because of what happened with Nick Foles.

Look, what Nick Foles did, guys, is miraculous. I keep telling everyone this. I don't think we appreciate the miraculous nature of what he did. He was not a good quarterback for that regular season when he came in. He wasn't even good against Atlanta. Then he balled out against Minnesota and Philly and then went back to being Nick Foles the next season. Like, that was so amazing.

And yes, if you hope that that's what happens here, right? Jordan Love is your supreme backup and Rodgers goes out and Jordan Love leads him to a championship. I mean, bless your heart. It ain't going to happen that way. So, again, it's about the value of the draft pick. And you say, what helps your team win now versus later? Can Jordan Love help you in 2023?

Yeah, he can. Or 2022? Yeah, he can. But what helps Aaron Rodgers, in my opinion, would have fired him up more, Gabe, is drafting the first skill position player in the first round since he was taken in 2005. They didn't do that. They did not help him out at all. And they also, by the way, said, hey, we're going to run the football now.

We're going to go ground and pound. That doesn't work in the NFL anymore. Like, it doesn't work. And so I just don't know. I just think the Packers are doing a disservice to Aaron. I mean, look, maybe it fires up, maybe it's not. But, Gabe, I got a question. If they would have drafted Brandon Ayuk or drafted T. Higgins or drafted,

who was at the back, Van Jefferson or, you know, someone at the back end of the first round second round would that have fired up aaron rogers more than drafting jordan love yeah but people are motivated differently and that that might have motivated motivated him in a happy way and aaron rogers is a chip on a shoulder guy his life has been blessed and yet he still thinks people are out to screw him and maybe they knew something well the packers clearly are well clearly packers are out to screw him. And maybe they knew something. Well, the Packers clearly are. Well, clearly. The Packers are out to screw him. You mentioned it, and it's the right place to end this part of the conversation. You're punchy today, man.

I like this. But this is the first skill position player they've drafted since they drafted him. They have been notorious not to sign free agents, right? So Aaron Rodgers has basically never had great weapons. He has one pretty good receiver now, but they sort of lucked into that, I guess. Here's an interesting stat that Wingo tweeted. Only one of Aaron Rodgers' 364 career passing touchdowns was thrown to a receiver selected in the first round. One in his whole career. That was Mercedes Lewis, by the way, as if he was some mainstay in Green Bay. He never has had anyone who we all assumed would be great. He's made a few guys great, obviously. And sometimes you aren't drafted in the first round, you end up being pretty damn good. But man, they've never bet on giving him a great weapon.

And this has got to be bothering him today. Of course. Right afterwards, there was an interview and he said he's furious. Of course he'd be furious. It's just Packer fans. I'm right about this, guys. I'm telling you. I know you think that I'm crazy, and you have Go Pack going on your Twitter headline. I'm telling you guys.

Guys in the locker room are not happy about this. Aaron Rodgers is not happy about this. They really should have done this, man up and just trade Aaron Rodgers already. That's what they should have done is just trade him, move on. I'm sure Belichick might have picked up the phone and entertained that idea. Aaron Rodgers probably had to restructure his deal to go there, but someone would have entertained it. And they lost, I think, a lot of their leverage now of making that move after getting Jordan

Love. Yeah. I would not want to be Coach Matt LaFleur right now, who already was like clearly, clearly not having any authority over Aaron Rodgers. No one was fooled into thinking that Aaron was like, what do you think I should do here, coach? Like he's there because Aaron basically told Mike McCarthy, like, screw you, dude. I'm doing whatever I want. And now this guy's his age with no experience.

And we're supposed to believe that he's in control. He is screwed, man. His career hinges on this decision. Good luck, Matt LaFleur. This is gonna be a rough one. All right. I'm just going to quote my guy, Adam Schefter, here. It's rare that Schefter would be the beginning of a take on this.

This show is kind of about the hot takes, the people who are just kind of popping off, and then you kind of fill us in on what's really going on. So this is not to throw shade at Schefter, but I just want to quote him from the other day. Yes, please. to throw shade at Schefter, but I just want to quote him from the other day. All right. He tweeted number one, overall pick Joe Burrow has been studying the Bengals offense for weeks now. And one source said that he is so far ahead that he will be able to challenge for the starting quarterback job right away. Again, Schefter is no hot taker. Someone's telling him this, this isn't his opinion. People believe that because Joe Burrow has had a chance to sort of think about the Bengals playbook extra long that he's now going to be NFL ready. That come September, it's Burrow time. The playbook is mastered. Jeff, how close is this? Adam Schefter a lot.

I met him before. I think out of all the NFL like newsmakers, newsbreakers, he's like the least the least like team friendly. Does that make sense? Like, like,

you know, he's not just like feeding garbage from teams directly onto teams. That's right. There's other guys that are doing this. I appreciate Adam Schefter and I didn't want to blast him

for this. I thought about it, but we weren't really blasting him per se by blasting the quote. Look, here's the deal, guys. It's all grand. You can study the playbook now. Makes a lot of sense. But until you can actually have it coached to you, right? Understand the coaching concepts. Understand the points of each play. Understand what the issues are, what the problems

are, the goal of the play. It doesn't really help you to just read a playbook. You know, maybe the quarterback's different because, you know, against, you know, against this coverage, you throw that pass and you can lock it into your brain. But you have to see it happen. And even his coach, Zach Taylor, I think it was MMQB, and he said, or not MMQB, Football Morning America, the new Peter King article. He said, like, look, it's all great that he's doing that. But until you actually see it happen with a defense and in full speed, it doesn't really matter.

So, look, I'm glad Joe Burrow is taking the step to learn the playbook. I think that's great. I'm commending him for trying to do as much as he can. But the idea that you're going to come in right away and just win a job because you studied the playbook, ain't going to happen that way. He's going to win a job because he studied the playbook. Ain't going to happen that way. He's going to win a job because he's the number one pick. And Andy Dalton is going to be on the Patriots probably. So that's why he'll win the job.

And maybe he's that good where he can come in right away. I do want to – this is kind of a broader topic, I think, Gabe, that is not being discussed as much. With the NFL offseason not happening, the virtual offseason, and I think which is really silly, a lot of teams have canceled their virtual offseasons, is there are going to be a lot of rookies behind in training camp this year because they can't have an OTA and they can't have an offseason program. It's really, really going to hurt the late round draft picks who already don't

get a lot of reps in training camp. And now they're going to be even condensed even more because A, there's less practice time now. And two, your goal you're a team in my opinion is not to develop young guys in training camp which is part of the goal it's now getting your your older guys just ready to play because you've been out of it for so long now you have to spend the early part of training camp getting guys back in shape making sure they know their plays you know really honing down on installs because normally game by the by training camp it's the fourth time you've had the playbook installed. Phase one, phase two, mini camp, and then training camp, right? So fourth time you've had the offense installed.

Now it's the first time. You know, Zoom, I don't count Zoom meetings as an offensive install, right? You have to be in person, taking notes, asking questions. And so a lot of players are going to be behind, including Joe Burrow. And I understand the idea that he's read the playbook, you know, through and through. Great. I don't think that's that big of a deal. But these late round draft picks, like myself, seventh round draft pick, I might have had

no chance to make the team because I wasn't going to get enough reps. Wait, okay. So you sort of breezed through something that's sort of obvious to you, but I need you to back up a step. Yeah. Phase one, phase two. Oh, yeah, off-season program. Yeah.

So the off-season program, I think it's still the same, just less hours now. So phase one is like you lift and you do two hours of meetings. You've got for three weeks. Phase two is you do all the food activities, you know, plus.

That's for everyone or just rookies? No, everyone. Okay. But rookies are No, everyone. Okay. But rookies are there for the whole offseason program. And part of that is like you install the offense, you know, over the first three weeks of that and then you install it basically again. And then you have minicamp, you install a third time. And so by training camp, it's a fourth time you've installed the offense from the start.

I mean, look, I know that people romanticize about how big NFL playbook is. There's like three weeks to install. And by day 10, you're installing like three plays. Like it's not, you install a ton at the beginning. They throw a ton at you at the beginning. Day one, day two, I mean, 50 pages of plays. And then eventually you pare it back down. So there's going to be an interesting situation where a lot of rookies just aren't going to get practice reps because the veterans will take all the practice reps and they won't just get the time to learn the plays as

best as they could because you only make a team as a young player by knowing what you're doing i mean you have to be good but knowing what you're doing because coaches do not put you in into games or into practice if you don't know what you're doing because they look stupid then so you don't have that opportunity to really grow in an offense or defense. And I think it's interesting to see how many late round draft picks don't make teams this year or, you know, sent to practice squad. I mean, it might be hard to measure, but there'd be a couple that would have made the team maybe otherwise, but just there's no time to practice now. Okay, wait a sec. So a couple more follow-ups and then we'll come back to Bird. You're talking about install the offense four different times.

I'm a little bit confused about the word. I've always used it and heard it, but now that you're saying it the way that you are, I'm actually not sure I fully understand. Why can't you install, I'm putting quotes up, install an offense over Zoom with guys taking notes? What is it that's got to be so face-to-face and hands-on? What does install even mean? Now I'm lost. I mean, I don't even have a – I can find a playbook around here somewhere. You can? That's so weird. Why do you have a playbook lying around?

I don't know if I have – I have an off-season manuals maybe. But look, so basically you put a play in. The coach installs a play. Hey, we're going to run zone. We're going to run this pass protection. And you run through the film and blah, blah, blah. And you take notes and whatnot.

But a lot of us learn via walkthroughs and practice. All right. And like seeing things happen in person. As much as boring as walkthroughs are, they're great because you get to see, you're just there. Okay, here comes this guy. I got this guy, right?

He moves here. I got him. So like you have to, a lot of us visualize it better when we see it in person. Sure. And so you could write, you write things down. I think it says, I think you have to write something down 22 times before you remember. That's what coach told me one time.

He probably was just BSing us. But a lot of us just learn by doing and by seeing in person what we're doing. And so I think that that's why the Zoom meetings are going to be tough for a lot of these young guys. A lot of them aren't going to want to ask questions because they're in a giant room with a bunch of players. Normally, they break off sometimes. I have the veterans leave and the younger guys stay.

And just like in-person communications work better when you're in person. If me and you are talking at dinner in person, we communicate better than if we're doing it via phone or via this medium. So I think that's the biggest difference is that we're going to have that until the summer. I fully believe we're getting at football back. And more and more colleges are announcing opening campuses.

The NFL looks like they're on track. So I think we're going to have it. It might just be without fans or some fans. But I think we'll start up on time for the NFL. All right. So so let's bring it home with one more point on Burrow. So he followed up after after these quotes from Schefter, which are obviously coming from a real source. So this this notion that he's ahead because of the playbook is a thing that other people are saying. So Burrow says, quote, They had me put down my top 10 plays that i had and send it to them so they can study them

and see if they can have them in the offense if they don't currently have them in the offense okay so i take that to mean that basically they were like doing the kramer thing like why don't you tell me the name of the play you want to run like they're like bangles can't come up with their own plays they're like hey what did joe Joe Brady do with you guys down at LSU? We'll do some of that. What the hell is he talking about? I don't mind that because in Zach Taylor's offense, if you look at kind of like the Shanahan offense,

the one he ran with McVay and Shanahan, that's not what they ran at LSU. Five wide, a bunch of pass concepts, empty protection. So I actually like that. I like that Bengals are open to changing their offense to help him. I think that's actually something that they should be commended for. Yeah. And they're going to have some weapons, right? So he's got another rookie in T Higgins. They've got Mixon's young, like maybe AJ Green will mentor some guys since he knows this is kind of the end of his run. Like, is there any hope that the Bengals maybe have a

pretty decent offense this year? Seems like it. I mean, possibly. Look, I think for rookie quarterbacks, it's really hard to know who's going to be good and who's not early on. The Bengals' offensive line still needs a little bit of work. So I don't know. All I know is my guy Herbert's going to be the best quarterback ever. Oh, boy. Okay, so you're just trying to troll a little bit. Do you think Burrow is a starter week one,

and do you think Tua or Herbert are starters week one? I think Herbert's a starter week one. I think Tua will have to see with the hip, and I think Herbert will not be a starter. I think Tyrone Taylor will start week one. Okay. All right, we'll hold you to that. All right, last one.

So we're talking a lot about the quarterbacks that were drafted. Let's talk about the quarterbacks that were not drafted. In case you somehow missed this nugget after 5000 people tweeted it over the weekend, Bill Belichick used none of his picks, not one on a quarterback. Of course, this after getting rid of Tampa Bay Brady. He is not using any picks on a quarterback. He did this despite A, everyone assuming he definitely would draft a quarterback this year, maybe even in the first round, and B, his only quarterbacks being Jarrett Stidham, last year's fourth round pick, and a three-time Pats backup, Brian Hoyer.

Those are his only two quarterbacks. Yet he didn't draft a single one. I should point out, he had a dog running his Zoom room for a little while. And when asked why he didn't pick a quarterback, he said it, quote, wasn't by design. Meaning, I don't know, like maybe they thought they were going to take one and they didn't. They also passed on some decent quarterbacks in spots where they took very questionable players. We'll get to that. But here's the thing. This is Belichick's spite starter. Jarrett Stidham is going to go 11-5 and prove to the world that Tom Brady was not the thing, that it was Belichick all along. He can make Stidham a winner. That's what he's trying to do. He didn't want to draft a quarterback. He

just wanted to shove it up Brady's tuchus. Oh, nice. Yeah, I like it. A couple of things. Let's start with the dog because I tweeted out that Bill Belichick stopped caring about the draft. Someone called me and was like, yeah, Bill Belichick does not want to be on camera. And that's why he said they never had a camera in his war room ever. Yeah, of course.

Never, not once. And so that's why he had the dog fill in for him his dog's name is nike by the way uh he want bill wanted to name him jack and i think that his girlfriend uh vetoed that and went with nike it's a little like miniature wolf it's a good looking dog so um but yeah belichick is his his little nantucket kitchen area making draft picks. He looks just miserable. So to your point about the quarterback situation, this feels very much like a tank for Trevor. Oh, gosh.

This is a situation where we're going with a tank for Trevor situation. Are you serious right now? You're with Cowherd? This is a thing? You believe this? I don't believe that they're outright trying to tank for this actual person. But I think that Belichick is saying, screw it. We're just going to suck.

No chance. Because Stidham's not your guy. Stidham is not your guy. He's not going to win games for you. Again, we thought that was a good start. Fourth round draft pick, right? Not drafted to be a starter. I think what Belichick does is still, you know,

goes and trains for Andy Dalton eventually, and then he goes 11-5 with the red water pistol, whatever, water rifle, red rocket, whatever his nickname is. Yeah, all those. And goes 11-5. I do not think Cam Newton's the guy there. I can't imagine going wrong with Stidham unless you're trying to suck. You know, tank for Fields, tank for Lawrence.

You know, there's a kid out of North Dakota State everyone likes, Trey Lance. Great football name. You made that name up. That's, dude, that's not a real name. I think his name is Trey Lance. Yeah, people ought to mock draft second or third quarterback going in the draft this year.

So I think that he's looking maybe to next year already. No. Okay. I'm just going to say, sorry. In every situation on this show. Trey Lance. Yes. I don't care about Trey Lance.

That sounds like a knockoff of the varsity blues quarterback. It does. That's a great football name. Dude, you are always right on this show. I am just the goofball who reads some internet and throws it at you. But in this case, I'm just playing this card. No, that's not what's happening. There's no way in the world that Bill Belichick...

Tank or Trevor. Dude, okay, hold on. I don't know if this has ever happened to you. You've been with your lovely wife for a long time. But if you have been in a relationship and then you broke up and you were going to go to somebody else's wedding and it was going to be the first time that all your old friends everyone else including maybe your ex is gonna be there they're all gonna see this new person that you're dating oh yeah there's a lot of pressure you gotta show up with somebody who's great who's dancing he's who's fun who's having a good time

they gotta be an attractive cool person you can't show up with the date equivalent of jared stidham like unless you think you can make that or you show up or you show up with with a jared stidham and everyone feels sorry for you and they take pity on you no and then you eventually bounce back with the hot girl and trevor lawrence no no that's not what bill belichick's doing he needs to show up at the party with the cool day he he either thinks stidham can do that for him and he's going to invalidate everything Tom Brady did for 19 seasons by saying, look at this other rando I pulled off the bench to make into a winner. He's either thinking that.

He's definitely not thinking about tanking. There's no chance he's thinking about tanking in what should be his final years in the NFL with a top-ranked defense. No effing way that's what Bill Belichick is thinking. Then he has to trade for Andy Dalton. Then that's what's going to happen. Maybe. Because Stidham is not that guy.

He's not going to be that guy. Again, the fourth-round draft, he's not – the hit rate on these guys being stars is very, very low. So I would say that Andy Dal, that any dollar in my, in my opinion is a play here. It's kind of always been the play. Um, I would say that that's what they do is my guess.

Dalton over. I'm just going to put it out there because the draft helped clarify a few things. The Indianapolis Colts signed Phillip Rivers to a one year deal. That's about all you're ever going to get out of him. And then drafted Jacob Eason, right? Yes. In the fourth round.

So the Colts have this year's player and the guy who might become the future player, maybe. Why would they keep Jacoby Brissett? What if Jacoby Brissett goes back to New England? Oh, well, that's possible, of course, that he goes back there. And I will say, he doesn't get credit for playing, I think, as well as he did at times last year. And then he got hurt and it wasn't as good.

So, no. Yeah, he played pretty good. Brissette is... There's a great opportunity for him, I think, there. Brissette's better than Stidham, in my opinion. I mean, I think

they're going to look outside. They have time. There's no rush, right? There's no rush to find an answer here. But I just, I can't imagine Stidham rolling

to the party with jared stidham i i think that belichick thinks stidham is going to be the life of the party and belichick is going to see what he's missing out on he's thinking man why did bella brady's going to show up and he's going to be at the boring like table 17 having no fun he's going to see stidham out on the dance floor and he's going to think oh man i, I can't believe I broke up with him. I can't believe I ruined such a good relationship that I was in. That's what Belichick's counting on. I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence. I think emotion is now taking over the rational part of Bill Belichick's brain and he is out to screw over Tom Brady. This is the spite starter Stidham. That's what it is.

We're going to move the line. It's an over-under game we like to play. We don't have any real bets to make, so we're going to make you bet on some fake things that I made up. I want to hit a few more headlines with some of these, so here we go. I want to know, Taysom Hill over-under snaps at quarterback taken this year compared to Jalen Hurts.

Complicated way of saying, who plays some quarterback snaps more, Taysom Hill of the Saints or Jalen Hurts. Complicated way of saying who plays some quarterback snaps more, Taysom Hill of the Saints or Jalen Hurts of the Eagles? Well, the Saints paid Taysom Hill to take more snaps. So I got to hope that for their sake, they think it's Taysom Hill. The guy played 22% of snaps last year, the highest paid backup in NFL history. It's the third string quarterback. They brought in Jameis Winston to be the backup. I got to think it's just Taysom Hill.

I mean, I think they're going to try to find different ways to use Jalen Hurts. But, you know, something that's important here, the reason why the Saints can use Taysom Hill in this manner is because they have an actual backup quarterback in Winston. If the Eagles backup quarterback is Jalen Hurts, they can't use him in that manner. Because if he gets hurt, then they're screwed, right? Like, they're screwed.

So I think we're going to see Taysom Hill used more because of that. Jalen Hurts is the actual backup quarterback. And you can't use him, in my opinion, in that manner. Unless you want to address a third quarterback, which some teams don't want to do. Okay, but wait. So we've sort of joked about Taysom Hill a bunch on this show and in text preparing for this show. So I just have to ask it again. This is not like a loaded question.

I genuinely don't understand. Unless they think he's the quarterback who will take over after Drew Brees, which seems like there's very limited evidence that he's ready to do that. Why are they paying him so much money? He's barely involved in the offense. I get that he's some sort of a super athlete. What's he doing? No idea. They're paying him to be.

No idea. So there's no explanation. They're paying him to be special teams. They're paying him to be, you know, look, because I was listening yesterday. I think Mina Kaj was talking about his EPA expected points added. We've talked about this before. It's good when he's in the game.

I don't think the value of paying him $60 million for one year equals the amount of expected points added he brings to the Saints. Yeah. Well, I don't think it's fair of Jalen Hurts to start thinking of him as some sort of gimmick guy. him as some sort of gimmick guy or like you said if he's the backup he's not going to be running out there to you know run trick plays and and do silly nonsense with a quarterback on the field alongside him like if he's the backup quarterback taken in the second round they think he's good enough to be a starter in the NFL one day and they're going to train him to be that or maybe give him that shot I mean Wentz is hurt every year maybe Jalen will get a few reps but don't think of Jalen Hurts who at one point was the best college quarterback around,

as some like, you know, fluky, tight end, slot guy, weird, like he can do it all, Swiss Army knife. That's probably an insult to Jalen Hurts. Let's move it along. He is a much better quarterback than is Taysom Hill. That's fair to point out. Of course he is. He's a national champ.

He was a Heisman contender. He's's won in two places like it's just silly and there's there's more behind why people view it that way but we're not getting into that Niners rings this decade okay they came close this past year I want to know rings this decade over under 1.5 they've improved this offseason I'll just I'll go under just because it's hard to win this league. It's hard to win two, right? I mean, it's just hard to do that. I will say that they might have had the best weekend. I wasn't really thrilled with the Kinlaw pick in the first round.

I don't know how that helped them sort of now. But Brandon Ayuk was a great pick at Arizona State. He'd be a great weapon in the offense. And maybe the best play of the weekend was Trent Williams, getting Trent Williams. Getting Trent Williams from the Redskins. Joe Staley, longtime left tackle,

retired. And they put out a great tribute video for him. He is a badass, dude. He just beat the shit out of his opponents, worked his tail off. And he let them know

he was retiring. And the Niners went out and got Trent for a fourth-round pick. And, dude, Trent can ball. He is so good. And, I mean, they upgraded. The rich teams just get richer, right? You lose Joe Staley, a fringe Hall of Famer, and you hit another defensive tackle is going to improve that line like that's amazing. They already had this incredible pass rush. They're all like 25 and under. And now they got another young guy and they got a wide receiver who most years would be, you know, one of the top two or three guys. Right. And he slips all the way down in the first round. So they got everything they needed. They're still young. They still have this boy genius coach. they're still young they still have this boy genius coach and yet and yet I look at it and go like okay so you're going to be the bills of this decade like I think you're going to get there a lot I just don't I don't see them getting past the Chiefs I don't see them getting past Stidham

and Belichick when they make a Super Bowl run like I just don't see them ever being the best team I see them always being almost the best team. Well, yeah, I mean, that's the thing is like, is it because of Jimmy G? Yeah. They're never going to win that big game? To me, yeah. I mean, Jimmy G is fine. I think it's valid, especially when you have Russell Wilson.

I think Colin Murray is getting better in your division as well. The NFC just continues to get better, right? I mean, the AFC is very top heavy, but the NFC is just better overall as a conference in my opinion. Yeah, you need to go through a vastly improved Cardinals team twice, a Rams team that who knows if they'll ever be what they were a couple years ago, but they're good for eight or nine wins probably. The Seahawks are good and still have a little bit of a run left with them and Russell. We just talked about Aaron Rodgers and how fired up he's going to be this season.

He loves playing the Niners. They're just a buzzsaw of teams. And the Cowboys probably got better. There's a lot of teams out there. Yeah. The Cowboys had a great draft. Jerry just on his yacht drinking his bourbon and had a great draft. By the way, best part of the whole draft experience for me,

as soon as it ended, Scott Van Pelt, his edition of SportsCenter, is the thing that follows the first round. And you know how Scott always likes to start with the thing they love most, the video they love most. So, you know, usually they're coming off a basketball game and it's like some one-handed grab in a baseball game. In this case, he started with all the flexes by the GMs and owners. So he went with the Kingsbury flex and that crazy bachelor pad.

And then, of course. Sean McVay. Yeah, McVay, of course. And then also, yeah, like you mentioned, Jerry Jones and the whole of his yacht. I don't know. What are you doing down there? There's no way the Wi-Fi is better down there. That's only to flex.

It just was. And it was a weird, like, I wouldn't. It's like an all-white room. Like, I just, the thing was like that cool. I mean, the flex obviously is being on the boat. Or yacht. A yacht. I'm not a yacht person.

Like, that doesn't impress me. No, you don't seem like a yacht person at all. I mean, I'm not. I'd much rather have a private plane. Plane, that would impress me. Take a PJ over a yacht? Like, I would for sure rather get private jet wealthy than get yacht wealthy which i think is even in a different category than private jet

wealthy yeah i think for a private jet you really just need a pilot and a ground crew that you share with other people for a yacht man you gotta have a lot of people working on your yacht that's that's like a whole economy you also just like i'm also just like it's too boring to just like sail across the sea. It's boring to shadow. Sail across the sea? Alright, well, listen, seeing all these GMs and owners doing their thing got

me very confused. So this will lead us to one of our last over-unders. So I just want to know, average number of kids per GM Zoom room over-under 1.5 seemed like average number of kids per GM Zoom room over under 1.5. Seemed like a lot of kids hanging out with their dad. So it was way over, by the way. And the one thing I think as a parent, every time I see a kid up that late,

is that kid should be sleeping. Yes. My kids go to bed early. And I see these kids up at like 10.30 at night. I'm like, this kid should be sleeping. It's going to be a wreck tomorrow. I have PTSD of when my kids don't go to bed on time and they're wrecks in the morning. I was thinking to myself like, these kids go to sleep, kids. Go to bed. I will say, we talked at the very start

of the pod about things we liked about the draft. One thing I'd like to add here, because it makes sense, is one of the great things to come out of this draft is front office personnel saying, look, hey, maybe I don't need to work 25 hours a day to get my job done. I can actually be home and have dinner with my family and spend more time being a father and a husband. I was like, that to me is the best revelation in this entire process because people spend too many hours in the facility just to spend hours in the facility. Like I talked to coaches, they were happy to do it this way. They got to see their kids and their wife and have family time and still get all the work done. If you budget out your time for work, you can get it done and also see your family.

And so the best thing I think to come out of this is like Bob Quinn, the Lions GM said, I'm going to kind of reevaluate how I spend my time knowing that we got it. We got our job done without spending so many hours in the building. So I think this actually is a huge plus moving forward for NFL coaches and front office members. I hope that don't spend so much time in the facility. Yeah. I'm glad you said it that way.

That's a much kinder, more human way of saying it. I was going to be sort of a wise ass about it. I, I've always been led to believe that this is like the most complicated thing in the world, figuring out a draft board. And you're under this intense pressure.

And it's add to that all this technological possibility for failure. Like, how could you possibly think of a better pressure cooker? And yet almost every one of these guys is just kind of hanging out. And they got two or three kids hanging. And some cases they got like two rando goofballs standing behind him, like Vrabel. Like, it just seemed to me like,

Oh, wait a sec, guys. It's not that serious. Like it's fine. You prepared for it. Today's a celebration. Relax.

Yeah. Right. I look, I think this would have happened in January when the draft boards weren't set yet. It would have been more of a mess. I mean, they were pretty much set by the time that this happened. And so there wasn't much maneuvering done or had to be done but i just think that they

manned up like all the complaining but they realized like look and we talked about this on last week before that like everyone else is is going through this we are doing this now not any different than usual but we're doing this via telecommunications everyone is working that way now right we're finding ways to get it done. My wife is doing it. Your wife's probably doing it. We're all doing it in that manner. And the NFL stopped bitching about it.

Just get it done. And guess what? They stopped bitching about it and they got it done. And I think that they should be not even commended for it because everyone else is doing it, but just good job. You did the most basic thing possible. You emailed someone a draft pick. You're able to communicate via a cell phone to someone

else in a different building. Like, congratulations. You did normal things that everyone else has been doing now. Yeah. I mean, well said. Last one. Speaking of things everyone else is doing, I'm quite confident that everyone listening to this, though obviously football's their favorite sport, every single person who made it to the 40 something minute mark of this show has been watching The Last Dance, the MJ documentary on ESPN. I'm up to speed. I've watched all four. So I'm going to throw this at you. Knights Dennis Rodman remembers from his three days of quote unquote vacation back in 97 when he needed a little break from the Bulls and was missing for 72 hours. All we know is he was in Vegas for part of it. How many nights of that does he remember at all?

Oh, I think he remembers the whole thing. What? Yeah, I think he remembers the whole thing. Because he mentioned he knew when they came and got him, right? Like he talked about that incident. I think he remembers the whole thing. There's also a video of it. So there's so many crazy things about that.

First of all, it can never happen now. With social media, you can't just leave can't disappear but imagine he he went to the bulls that i need to have a vacation he let me go to now they didn't say if he missed the game or not which i don't think he missed i think it was like during a break in the season there was a weird schedule thing i don't i don't think he missed the start i don't think he missed the start so it's a little bit different than just missing a game but carmen electra 48 years old still rocking it okay so i wasn't going to take it there but yes just agreed and we won't go i looked at her age yesterday just to make sure i think a lot of people probably did in that moment and uh i don't want to turn into those guys but she my wife also looked it up she made sure that she was showing out for this documentary.

She did a great job. She made sure. If you want to go to look at other things about their relationship, I believe Rachel Nichols or Ramona Shelburne wanted to tweet out a story about Rodman and Elektra in the Bulls facility. If you want to get a little risque, you can go look at that. Pretty incredible to admit some of the stuff that went down but um lastly let's end with this game do you agree with bill simmons that dennis rodman

is story is boring oh wow okay so i believe that dennis rodman no i think what bill said which i do agree with i think what bill said is can we all now finally agree that Dennis Rodman talking isn't interesting? Like Dennis Rodman's life is interesting to observe. Dennis Rodman explaining himself and giving his thoughts on things, not interesting. And I think that's actually fair to say, because like, I wasn't very, I was like, okay, like my wife kept asking me, like, why does he dress up weird? I'm like, I don't know. I didn't like what, why does his hair dye? I don't, I don't know.

Why does he have a lip ring? What did he tell you? I don't know. He didn't tell it. He didn't say anything. Yeah. No, I don't think, I think he wanted to project an image of weird and kooky and interesting. So he did a number of things that made us believe that, but there isn't actually a whole

lot of insight behind it, which is what I think Bill was getting at. I found, though, I mean, in general, I think Dennis Rodman is like an overrated individual and probably an underrated basketball player. Yes. What what I found amazingly fun and weird about this documentary, though, is how hard it is to understand where you are in time and space. And if you are watching it with someone who doesn't know that history intimately and we've lived it and then gone back and researched it again, I mean, man, it's it's kind of a hard thing to follow when you're trying to explain like, oh, no, that's the coach, the guy who took the acid. He's the coach. They just haven't explained that his crazy offensive scheme is going to be what gets them to beat Rodman.

No, because Rodman back then was on the Pistons. So stay with me here. So then he became a bull, but he beat him. And then, no, he's punching Scottie, but don't worry. They're going to be friends one day. It's very confusing. I was trying to, my wife was on and off, like, watching it with me. And she asked me all these questions.

Like, I was basically, like, she asked me all these questions. I was basically shocked by the gameplay. Why don't they fight anymore? They just don't. It's a different league. Why aren't they being this physical? It's just different. Then the best part is that when Rodman was explaining

how everyone shot, rotated, and then how it would affect everything off the rim. It's brilliant. Larry Bird's shot spun a little bit more kind of like a little sideways that did most guys kind of want to end over in and yeah if it hits off the rim it's going a different direction and so i was and marathon was like i'm like babe just just go back somewhere else i'm. I cannot explain this to you. I'm just not doing it. So I think it's been great so far.

It's supposedly the next three or four episodes really hammered Jordan a little bit more than they have so far. Jordan, man, like his level of anger with Isaiah Thomas still is incredible. I'm going to plug something because I worked on it, but I genuinely think it's interesting for people. Go check out Sports Wars MJ versus Isaiah. It's specifically about

that period of time. Starts in 85 All-Star game when Michael Jordan believes that Isaiah Thomas orchestrated a freeze out to make him look bad as a rookie at the All-Star game and goes all the way through the Olympics when Jordan and we'll hear about this probably in the next episode or two when Jordan basically makes sure that Isaiah isn't on the dream team. And their rivalry, the middle section of those seven or eight years there, they hate each other so damn much that, yeah, Jordan doesn't even, most times guys like Jordan are political. They like wink and nod, and they don't actually want to say the words, I don't like that guy. But I mean, he couldn't be more clear. He still hates his guts.

He absolutely hates him. He absolutely despises him. And it's incredible. And Dan Rubenstein does sports awards. You should go listen to that. Dan's awesome. And no, he's like, he didn't even want to see the video. They're like, here's an explanation.

And I thought Isaiah Thomas' explanation seemed plausible. I don't know if it was real at the time. I don don't know if that's actually you know if it's easy to make up that excuse 40 years later but or 30 years later but it seemed plausible that's what happened no they were being sore sore losers and jordan knew it and that was very intentional and isaiah gave away his argument when he said and they showed the video like lame beer kind of looked at him and was like let let's do this thing. And Isaiah went along with it knowing that it was sending a message. So you can't pretend

after the fact that it wasn't meant to send a message. It sent the message, the message was received. Period. I mean, stand by it. If you wanted to send the message of screw you, you haven't earned our respect yet. Fair enough. But, like, there was a message sent. It was. Man, it's been fun watching this documentary

like it brings back and look i was 11 when when the bulls won their fourth title like i was about to turn 12 i mean i mean uh sixth title in 98 so like i sort of remember you know the bulls but not really like you know my first basketball kind of memories was the late 90s Lakers, right? Nick Van Etzel, Vlade Divac, that team. And so I remember the idea of Jordan, but I don't really remember watching Jordan play very much.

And so it's been fun to kind of relive that style of basketball, the competitive of Jordan. I mean, Jordan rips Scottie. He rips Horace Grant. He says, I don't want Bill Weddington taking the final shot of the game. I mean, he rips everyone. He doesn't, you could tell that he doesn't really believe Scottie Pippen migraine excuse. Like he tried to play it off like kind of nice, like he had a migraine, but Jordan's in the back of his head is like, screw this guy. He has a migraine. He never, he never once believed it.

He couldn't process the idea that Scottie could have a migraine in the biggest moment of his career. And that even if he had a migraine, that he couldn't play through it. Like Jordan is so focused and narcissistic that he can't possibly understand how that's possible. And who knows if he wondered what else was going on. But he, yeah, you're right. 30 years later is like no chance that's what it was. By the way, in 1998, I was focused on basketball champions. But in fact, I was the champion.

Jeff. Oh, geez. Because we've been doing this show on video and you've been flexing with your background trophy room, I just thought I'd match you. And this is a 1998 Westchester Jewish Basketball League first place trophy. Okay. My friends and I won that representing the WJC in Larchmont, Mamaroneck, New York. And it's been back there and you hadn't asked me about it.

You've got your chief skier and your giant skier and all this NFL paraphernalia. It's shown how great a success you are athletically. And this has been sitting there the whole time we were doing video, and you never once mentioned it. So now I had to. This is the part Zuri will probably edit out, but I just didn't want to miss my chance. You know, he gave me the segue in 1998 championship.

It says it right here. I should have my dad send me all my trophies as a kid too. Oh, okay. All your trophies. Sure. Congratulations, Gabe. Thank you. I actually, I've never won

a championship at any level of anything no okay there's good place for us to pause

because I have it's right here I am more of a champion than you Jeff congratulations have you won an Emmy before that's it

that's the only thing I've ever won oh jeez wow I mean I have some intramural championships in college intramural

I never won anything meaningful except for this. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Huzzah to Gabe. I'm winning the Western Jewish Club. Westchester Jewish Basketball League. Come on, Jeff. You're probably the tallest one there, too.

No, but we were tall. I was a tall point guard. I was a six-footer in high school. And we had a couple guys over six feet on the front line so we were a big team no one no one had a body mass index of greater than like eight percent it was a skinny crew but uh but we we were a little bit of like tall skinny trees and it helped us win a championship as sophomores oh wow a spark spark plug i love it yeah uh i did not think we were going this direction.

No, just end the show as though we had just finished talking about Dennis Rodman because this is all going to get edited out by Zuri. Oh, no. We should keep this because if you're listening by the 58th minute of this podcast, then you definitely are a fan of this show. And you would love to know the information that Gabe was once a champion basketball player. Same level as Jordan, of course. Same accomplishments as Michael Jordan. Well, if you've made it this long, I appreciate it. Thank you guys for listening.

I think I had a lot of fun talking about this, Roger. As far as me, I think that we're getting this conversation about mentors all wrong because I've actually had someone mentor me versus I've seen guys not be mentored. So I definitely think it was worth talking about. I believe we're taking a little bit of a break right now. The NFL draft is over. We have really no NFL topics for a little bit of time. I'm still going to be around.

Don't worry. I'll be on Twitter. We're going to plan some fun things to maybe do in the meantime. But take care, everyone. Hope you stay safe. And hope you enjoy your football. And hopefully we have football back soon. Schedule comes out, I believe, in, I I believe, in two weeks, about May 9th.

So looking forward to the actual schedule and let's have a season. So pumped for that. All right, guys, take care. Thank you for listening. Rate, review, subscribe. Have a great one.